Angeles City

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1180505]That's an absurd statement. Guys aren't staying at Angeles City hotels for anything but the bars and whoring. You think armies of tourists, particularly Korean men, are there to sample the five-star dining at the SM Mall?

If the bars are empty, maybe the punters have already picked out their girls and banging them in their rooms instead of feverishly strategizing on how to avoid $4 drinks.[/QUOTE]You may be right mostly. But I do meet guys that come here for business. The families of girlfriends or wives golf and a few other things?

And maybe they do some bar hop but they spread out fast. And maybe not bar hop everynight.

Actually some of the koreans and other guys are here for the gambling mostly.

I know some girls that hang out with koreans and this is what they tell me?

But you are both right to varying degrees from what I have seen and heard.

I live here in angeles and sometimes I only go to the bars once a week.

But also many guys come here for stickly girls and fucking. As many as they can.

I love the girls but tired of some of the hassles on the street and at the bars. So I do go a lot of other places like Subic Batangas and Puerto Galera for other recreation. Of course I would not be here at all if the girls were not here.

[QUOTE=Wadman;1180441]Well, good for you that you had fun with the cherry girl. But the point has always been that those of us who don't like to waste drinks and time on cherries would like them clearly identified as so. I don't object to cherry girls in bars per se, just want them clearly identified so I can steer clear of them. And those of you who like them can find them easier too! A win-win situation I would say. Except for the bar owners of course, they don't get to scam newbies on cherry girl drinks.[/QUOTE]Yes but you can always ask before you take the girl from the stage. I do because I have been burned before.

And check the name tag.

\also what about the girls that are not cherry and don't really want to fuck?

Should we have a sign saying I am ready three holer or two holer or I don't give head?

Yes there are so many scams and bs in the bars. You do have to navigate around the bs.

So it gives my mind something to do while I am getting an erection.

But cherry girls are not the only ones scamming for drinks.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1180455]Now that would definitely be degrading to walk around with a price tag like you selling her as a piece of meat.

The difference between the supermarket and the bar is one is legal and the other isn't.

I guess you missed the slave days when people were sold on a block like a commodity. Them days have passed

Its this type of attitude towards the women which feeds right into every thing those "human rights" groups state about mongers.[/QUOTE]That's the reality in AC. All bargirls in AC have an I'd tag and city permit tag pinned to them.

In the Dollhouse group bars, white tag girls are 1500 p and green tags are 3000 p. Have been for quite a while now. Mamasans and waitresses are open to explain this to you when asked (maybe not so lately with the latest round of raids).

I have seen bar owners / managers do a picture session with dancers on stage. And yes, they order them around like pieces of meat."turn around, stick your ass out, grab your ass with both hand"

Look, no need to vilify me, I am just telling it as it is.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1180477]Wadman unfortunately you missed an earlier post. A cherry girl is not necessarily a cherry girl but a way for the girls to get out of being with someone they don't want to be with. I had multiple girls tell me they do this with guys they don't want, they signal or somehow tell house and then they make it impossible by either saying she can't or saying she's a cherry girl. The drinks and stuff aren't that much even lady drinks so I would just chalk it up to finding the best girl for you. There's plenty to choose from in AC.[/QUOTE]

Madisonguy, you must not have been in AC for a while, or did not pay attention while there.

A cherry girl is a girl who has a red "v" on her I'd. That's what cherry has always meant in AC. The "v" stands for virgin. Supposedly that means the girl is still a virgin, but often it just means the girl just doesn't want to go out for boom boom (unless it's with the right guy, but again, officially she does not fuck).

All the other non-cherry girls in the bar always have the option to refuse to go with you too. She just has to say "mens" or any excuse she can come up with.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1180505]That's an absurd statement. Guys aren't staying at Angeles City hotels for anything but the bars and whoring. You think armies of tourists, particularly Korean men, are there to sample the five-star dining at the SM Mall?

If the bars are empty, maybe the punters have already picked out their girls and banging them in their rooms instead of feverishly strategizing on how to avoid $4 drinks.[/QUOTE]Like I said in my original post, it's an odd situation with the hotels full and bars empty. Odd but true. If you don't believe me, go to AC and have a look. Or read the reports on the other AC / PI boards.

A lot of punters get their girls outside of the bars now. The guys that live there or stay there long term have own private stock, they call them up directly. Even I have some phone numbers built up by now. Which doesn't mean I don't go into the bars. I do. A lot. 6-10 hours a day when I am there. Cause there is nothing to do in AC and you can only fuck so much.

[QUOTE=Wadman;1180441]Well, good for you that you had fun with the cherry girl. But the point has always been that those of us who don't like to waste drinks and time on cherries would like them clearly identified as so. I don't object to cherry girls in bars per se, just want them clearly identified so I can steer clear of them. And those of you who like them can find them easier too! A win-win situation I would say. Except for the bar owners of course, they don't get to scam newbies on cherry girl drinks.[/QUOTE]I agree. No harm in having the Cherry girls in the bar, but it would be better if they weren't on stage dancing with the other prostitutes (better if they were servers). Clearly label them as cherries and / or make them disclose to the customer that they are cherries before accepting drink orders.

Of course this won't be implemented because scamming newbies brings in revenue, and these days there are more newbies than ever.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1180617]I agree. No harm in having the Cherry girls in the bar, but it would be better if they weren't on stage dancing with the other prostitutes (better if they were servers). Clearly label them as cherries and / or make them disclose to the customer that they are cherries before accepting drink orders.

Of course this won't be implemented because scamming newbies brings in revenue, and these days there are more newbies than ever.[/QUOTE]You are asking for business ethics in a business which is at best is shady and at worst is a rip off.

All girlie businesses in the world runs on bait and switch, promise but do not deliver, deception either by padded, pushed up bars, virgin promises, true age lies etc.

AC is not any different. The bars have to make money. If they start hanging big V signs, Big red signs on menstruating girls, Big yellow signs on runners etc that you ask they might as well.

Be closing up shop and run away.

Virgin girls whether you like them or not fit a niche in this business.

Once again in AC there is no real pressure on you to buy drinks, ladydrinks, barfine. Anyone can sit there and watch the show without spending one penny.

If you want to avoid V girls ask the mamasan beforehand. They are more than happy to assist you. They are also a good info sources on girls about service.

[QUOTE=Wadman; 1180609]Madisonguy, you must not have been in AC for a while, or did not pay attention while there.

A cherry girl is a girl who has a red "v" on her I'd. That's what cherry has always meant in AC. The "v" stands for virgin. Supposedly that means the girl is still a virgin, but often it just means the girl just doesn't want to go out for boom boom (unless it's with the right guy, but again, officially she does not fuck).

All the other non-cherry girls in the bar always have the option to refuse to go with you too. She just has to say "mens" or any excuse she can come up with.[/QUOTE]One post you talk about how you're not happy with the cherry girls being clearly marked and then the next you are talking about how a cherry girls has a Red V on her I'd. Make up your mind.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1180670]One post you talk about how you're not happy with the cherry girls being clearly marked and then the next you are talking about how a cherry girls has a Red V on her I'd. Make up your mind.[/QUOTE]The "V" is very small and visable only on one of the two cards which the girls wear and only on one side of that card. It's a PAIN IN THE ASS to constantly look at these I'd cards in dimly lit bars in order to weed out the cherries.

So, I got two tactics I use to avoid the cherries:

1. Look at I'd's.

2. Ask mama / manager who the cherries are.

Anyone got another one worth sharing?

[QUOTE=Wadman; 1180605]That's the reality in AC. All bargirls in AC have an I'd tag and city permit tag pinned to them.

In the Dollhouse group bars, white tag girls are 1500 p and green tags are 3000 p. Have been for quite a while now. Mamasans and waitresses are open to explain this to you when asked (maybe not so lately with the latest round of raids).

I have seen bar owners / managers do a picture session with dancers on stage. And yes, they order them around like pieces of meat."turn around, stick your ass out, grab your ass with both hand"

Look, no need to vilify me, I am just telling it as it is.[/QUOTE]Wadman,

Everyone knows that the bar scene in Angeles City is a meat market. The meat is labeled and numbered then paraded before mongers in the most delightfully degrading manner. Mongers then choose which piece of meat they want to fuck based on physical characteristics such as big boobs, flat belly, tight small ass, sexy legs, etc. Then the seasoned mongers call the meat over before buying a lady drink and drill them with questions like, 'Do you suck cock? Do you swallow? Can I fuck you in the ass? Do you have menstruation? How many times can I fuck you? Do you lick pussy? Can I take pictures? ' Mongers don't write reports and post pictures based on intellectual conversations with fuck meat. Reports read more like the steak connoisseur's review of the taste and texture of a selection of meats complete with pricing and sourcing information. Of course, some mongers have difficulty reconciling the reality that they're patrons of a meat market with their Western, and most often American, values so they vilify other mongers in an attempt to assuage their feelings of guilt. However, they will continue to eat meat. Don't give too much thought to their comments. They're the equivalent of American women who will argue that killing animals is wrong under any circumstance between ravenous bites into their meal of a Big Mac, fries and Diet Coke.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1180701]Of course, some mongers have difficulty reconciling the reality that they're patrons of a meat market with their Western, and most often American, values so they vilify other mongers in an attempt to assuage their feelings of guilt. However, they will continue to eat meat. Don't give too much thought to their comments. They're the equivalent of American women who will argue that killing animals is wrong under any circumstance between ravenous bites into their meal of a Big Mac, fries and Diet Coke.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true Asian monger!

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1180680]The "V" is very small and visable only on one of the two cards which the girls wear and only on one side of that card. It's a PAIN IN THE ASS to constantly look at these I'd cards in dimly lit bars in order to weed out the cherries.

So, I got two tactics I use to avoid the cherries:

1. Look at I'd's.

2. Ask mama / manager who the cherries are.

Anyone got another one worth sharing?[/QUOTE]Concur. It can be very hard to distinguish the cherry girls in any bar from your chair or table, even if you are sitting right up front where the girls are dancing. To make this case to you, a I had a conversation in a dark bar (is it called Road House? Near Coyote, the girls dance in near-perfect formation). I winked at one of the sitting beauties and she came over and I bought her a drink. I had just had two Santos girls and was just looking to barhop. The girl was very pleasant and talkative. In asking about which girls are cherry on stage, she seemed to think that it was easy to tell which ones were.

Girl: Just you look their I'd sir its easy. I can tell you all them.

Me: really.

Girl: yes its marked for cherry.

Me: ok. From where we are sitting, if you don't look at their face, and you look only at their I'd now as they are dancing, can you tell which ones are cherry?

Girl: yes.

Me: ok. Look only at the I'd. Tell me which ones are cherry. Don't look their faces ok?

Girl: ok.

Girl: wait. Its not right.

Me: whats not right.

Girl: they I'd. Some its turn back. Some not in correct order.

Me: whats that mean.

Girl: the girl is not got her I'd on correct. I cannot see it. You are right. That girl is cherry and I cannot tell from the I'd.

Me: so she is not displaying the I'd correctly.

Girl: yes. There is right way for it. Some them girls not wearing it a right way. MAMAAAAAAAA! I will tell the mama.

There you have it. Sometimes the girls wear two I'd's. In some bars the cherry I'd is a different color. If its behind the other I'd, or backwards, how can you tell? You have to have the mamasan point them all out.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1180670]One post you talk about how you're not happy with the cherry girls being clearly marked and then the next you are talking about how a cherry girls has a Red V on her I'd. Make up your mind.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have mentioned several times that cherry girls are not CLEARLY MARKED, and would like them to be so.

The red "v" on their tag is a small red "v" which is not always visible. I D turned around the wrong way, girl too far away, bar too dark, etc. In no way would I consider that CLEARLY MARKING cherry girls.

So where's the contradiction?

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1180680]The "V" is very small and visable only on one of the two cards which the girls wear and only on one side of that card. It's a PAIN IN THE ASS to constantly look at these I'd cards in dimly lit bars in order to weed out the cherries.

So, I got two tactics I use to avoid the cherries:

1. Look at I'd's.

2. Ask mama / manager who the cherries are.

Anyone got another one worth sharing?[/QUOTE]By now, some waitresses recognize me and know I don't like cherries. They point out the cherries to me on their own accord. I make it a point to tip them a bit extra.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179695]This is not a brothal or "cathouse". It's a "bar". It says so at the door. There should be no "expectations" from patrons to sleep with any girl. She has the right to say NO. You're there to drink, watch the silly show and get company. Everything else is negotiable and rightfully subject to mutual consent.[/QUOTE]If that were to be true, than we are all seriously off-topic. This is the International Sex Guide site, not the International Bar Guide site.