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[QUOTE=Amjeck;1181092]I thought "I only do ST" was just that. Is it a way to shun the guy? Some have said that to me and I just take them ST. It never seemed like they didn't want to go, only that they thought of themselves as 'top shelf'.[/QUOTE]Sometimes they are scared to sleep with a stranger or scared that it will be 10 rounds. I have had girls say only ST and I say let's talk a bit. After she is comfortable she often agrees to LT.

If she insists on ST only usually it is because she has a baby or boyfriend or girlfriend at home.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1180905]Do bargirls in AC have to have a minimum number of barfines a month to make quota? I know they do this in LOS.[/QUOTE]Info from an American Bar Manager:

There are no "official" quotas. But the girls make a salary everyday (forgot, was it 180 pesos? 220?). They need to "earn" their keep. Some girls are just happy to earn that salary (it's more than what many jobs will pay).

If the girl doesn't get any lady drinks, someone will talk to her and tell her to hustle and get some.

Have you noticed that in most bars there are couple of butt ugly girls. I always wondered, who would bar fine those ugly beasts. Well, they do get barfined; that's why the bar hires them. It seems that some guys want to barfine butt ugly things. I guess it's the "Arnold" syndrome; some guys want the girls to be uglier than themselves and have the girls fawn over them.

[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1181190]Info from an American Bar Manager:

There are no "official" quotas. But the girls make a salary everyday (forgot, was it 180 pesos? 220?). They need to "earn" their keep. Some girls are just happy to earn that salary (it's more than what many jobs will pay).

If the girl doesn't get any lady drinks, someone will talk to her and tell her to hustle and get some.

Have you noticed that in most bars there are couple of butt ugly girls. I always wondered, who would bar fine those ugly beasts. Well, they do get barfined; that's why the bar hires them. It seems that some guys want to barfine butt ugly things. I guess it's the "Arnold" syndrome; some guys want the girls to be uglier than themselves and have the girls fawn over them.[/QUOTE]Dem Ugly girls usually aim to please, great customer service and go the distance to compensate for their ugliness! Plus with the right set of beer goggles, you won't even know what hit ya!

Don't be a pussy. Try it! LOL

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1181123]My bargirl refusal rate, both in AC, MBC, or any freelance place (including Top Gun in Jakarta) is 20 percent.[/QUOTE]Same for me, about 20% refuse. There could be 100 reasons why, maybe she's really on mens, or she doesn't like sleeping with strangers, or maybe my face reminds her of her ex. Whatever it is, I am thankful for a honest refusal, so I can move on and chat up a more willing girl. A worse scenario is when the girl doesn't like you but allows the barfine anyway, then you get the starfish treatment in the hotel. I am tired, I am ticklish, I don't do BJ, your too big, or just plain old silence.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1180983]What is the ratio of refusals to non-refusals? Are guys getting refused in some bars more than others?

Sounds like things are drastically changing in AC! Looks like mama will become everybody's best friend now.[/QUOTE]For me I have only been refused once (less than 5%) because she was only there to dance (so says the waitress).

Another had her mens, I called her bluff, took her back, and she bled all over the place. Lucky I did not DATY or I would be wearing the Dolmio Grin.

I am no Tom Cruise, so I put it down to where I was staying, a question they always ask. If I had stay in a shithole and I think my rejection rate would have been higher.

[QUOTE=Lugalzaggizi;1181188]She enjoyed her dinner, to say the least and so did I. I had not gone out on any dinner dates this year due to the fact that I would no longer subsidize women in Manhattan that would not put out sexually. I knew Rhoma would put out sexually, so I had no qualms about paying for her dinner, bar fine, and tip. We showered and then got into bed together. She was sweet as molasses. I did not spend as much time kissing her lips and body as I did with women in the Dominican Republic. I got right down to eating her pussy. And I certainly savored it. She smelled beautifully and her clit was succulent. I spent about twenty-minutes worshipping her pussy and I could discern without the slightest doubt that she was enjoying it. She really was getting off on having me lick her pussy. I did not know how she would react to licking her ass, so I started to inch down all the while licking the insides of her labia, slowly inching down until I could touch her anus with my tongue. I went up from her anus with my tongue all the way up to her clitoris and then back down again to her anus. And I did this successively. Once I knew she enjoyed having her asshole licked I then paid exclusive oral attention to it. I stuck my tongue in her asshole as far as I could, thrusting with tremendous intensity. This was probably the first time she ever had her asshole licked. Mongers are often hard pressed to lick pussy, let alone a woman's asshole. She did suck my cock as well in a 69 position while I licked her pussy and ass. She imbibed my cock with tremendous enthusiasm while I was eating her. She did have a few orgasms as a result of me licking her pussy and asshole and was tired to say the least. I could have fucked her then, for I was still erect, but I felt she needed the rest, not ready for anymore orgasms, not to mention she needed sleep. We fell asleep in each other's arms for about an hour. We woke up, took showers, got dressed and then headed down to the lobby. I had the doorman take a few pictures of Rhoma and I outside the ABC Hotel, to add to my cornucopia of photos that I had taken of us on the pool deck. We then stepped into the trike and headed back to the Doll House. While in Doll House I asked her whether she was going to go back to work and she said no way. She was ecstatic that she could go home. She got a great meal, stayed in a luxurious hotel and had her ass and pussy eaten out. That is a deal that sells itself and then some. And I could go out and do some more mongering.[/QUOTE]So you bar fined her just to feed her dinner then suck her asshole and pussy for an hour, let her sleep, then send her home early? Yet you wonder why the others had Princess Syndrome.

[QUOTE=Lugalzaggizi;1181188]She was ecstatic that She got a great meal, stayed in a luxurious hotel and had her ass and pussy eaten out. That is a deal that sells itself and then some. And I could go out and do some more mongering.[/QUOTE]To each his own.

Inference is you wanted a regular date eye candy. You just wanted her to be happy without insertion sex. No wonder these girls are spoiled. If they can get away with.

No damage to their body more power to them.

IMHO AC girls whether eye candy or ugly are there to be fucked and enjoyed. More the better. Feeding her is ok. Sometimes these girls never had decent food.

It looks like you are selling yourself than she is selling herself.

Next time try dating sites for normal girls and treat them to your kind of date.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1181407]To each his own.

Inference is you wanted a regular date eye candy. You just wanted her to be happy without insertion sex. No wonder these girls are spoiled. If they can get away with.

No damage to their body more power to them.

IMHO AC girls whether eye candy or ugly are there to be fucked and enjoyed. More the better. Feeding her is ok. Sometimes these girls never had decent food.

It looks like you are selling yourself than she is selling herself.

Next time try dating sites for normal girls and treat them to your kind of date.[/QUOTE]Yup. Fully agree. For those guys who (almost) never get refused, are good looking, youngish, great attitude, funny, full of personality, treats the girl like a princess, etc. Maybe you should be looking to date regular (non-P4P) PI girls. Might save you some money too.

[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1181266]Same for me, about 20% refuse. There could be 100 reasons why, maybe she's really on mens, or she doesn't like sleeping with strangers, or maybe my face reminds her of her ex. Whatever it is, I am thankful for a honest refusal, so I can move on and chat up a more willing girl. A worse scenario is when the girl doesn't like you but allows the barfine anyway, then you get the starfish treatment in the hotel. I am tired, I am ticklish, I don't do BJ, your too big, or just plain old silence.[/QUOTE]Actually, if my refusal rate went from 20% to 80 percent, I would not care. I am only interested in girls (p4p or regular) who are into satisfying MY THINGS. If she cannot do one of my particulars, I'm completely uninterested (underscore COMPLETELY). I never worry about what the girls think. Does she like my smile? My hotel? My personality? I'm not there for that. I'm there for me. Its fine if the girl wants to get together again another time, and its fine if she never wants to see me again. Its fine if she wants to go with me (for whatever reason) , and its fine if she does not. I don't care about any of that. I only care if she is willing to do the particular things that I like.

As an example, one of my requirements is pictures. I don't care if she's Brooke Burke in looks. If she's not dying to be a cam sl*t, she's not for me. If she's even a hint shy to it, or a hint shy of being a sl*t, don't bother me. If she's a chatmate, I go to lengths in chat to be honest and tell her what I'm looking for. A lot of girls are not interested (and a lot of them refer me to a friend / cousin / sister who is like that). I never care what my refusals (or anyone) thinks of my preferences. I'm looking for a certain kind of girl (only). Fortunately, there are lots of those in phils.

JACKSON, BOARD RESPONSE TIMES ARE SLOW.

[QUOTE=Chimmy31; 1181220]Dem Ugly girls usually aim to please, great customer service and go the distance to compensate for their ugliness! Plus with the right set of beer goggles, you won't even know what hit ya!

Don't be a pussy. Try it! LOL[/QUOTE]Way back when. I was on an extended trip to AC from Okinawa where I was stationed. I was staying at the Clarkton and was working my way thru the girls at Mirrors next door. This was when they had the small round stages with mirrors all around thus the name. I had sampled several of the dancing girls with good results and had made friends with the mama bringing chocolates and popcorn to share at the bar.

One night late I stopped in Mirrors for a drink on the way back to room and had not planned to barfine. The mama came over and asked if I had a girl yet and I said no. She said one of the girls had not had a barfine in several weeks and was losing her confidence. There were no real fuglies in the bar so I asked her to point out the girl. She was not the cream of the crop by any means but she did not look bad. She was older and a bit darker than the other girls and may be a little heavier but not fat. I did notice her body hair was more evident but not in a gross way. Smooth lighter skinned hairless petite Filipinas are my poison which is probably why I had not noticed her before. Mama asked if she could bring the girl over and I said sure.

The girl pulled up a stool next to mine and I ordered her a drink. We talked and she seemed nice and I saw no reason NOT to barfine her. She agreed to most of my request, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, shower together but no anal. At least I would make some brownie points with the mama. The barfine was whooping $12. 00 (P20 to $1) so that will tell you how long ago it was.

On the way to the room, we stopped at the Clarkton restaurant for a late snack. I told her to get whatever she wanted letting her order for herself. When we got to the room we started with some light kissing and then I slowly started to undress her. Got her down to her panties and shock of all shocks her Bush looked like a Brillo pad. Thick and black from just below her navel all the way down to her asshole. No hair is my choice but I saw this as a challenge.

I stripped and led her into the shower. She was responsive to my touch as I searched thru the undergrowth, found her clit and massaged it as we kissed. She was wet on the inside when I slid my finger in. She played with me and I got comfortably hard. After the shower she got a tooth brush from her bag and brushed before meeting me on the bed. I used mouth wash.

On the bed, we laid side by side and kissed as I explored her body. Her tits were larger and not as firm as I liked but she had no stretch marks. Her large dark nipple were very responsive as I licked and sucked. As I worked my mouth on her tits, my fingers were exploring her thick pubes. Her clit was already erect and quite extended. Seems her lack of barfines had left her horny. I slid a finger into her. She was tight and wet to the point it was leaking out and running down between her butt cheeks. I fingered her and found her g-spot and rubbed it. She started moaning and twisting her body on the bed as I massaged her internally and externally.

I kissed my way down her body towards her pussy. I could smell her muff. A bit tangy and not the sweet smell of a SYT. I licked her slit from bottom to top and the taste was pleasurable. Clean and a woman in heat. I played special attention to her big clit, sucking it between my lips and teasing it with my tongue. She sat straight up in bed and pushed my face out of her pussy. I asked if she did not like. She said no one had ever done that before and it felt strange but good. I could not believe she had never had DATY before. I told her to lie back and enjoy. And she did very much cumming at least twice before I finished. She did go ballistic when I stuck my tongue in her asshole and told me in no uncertain terms her anus was off limits.

I stretched out on the bed and pulled her up to me and kissed her. She was not real happy with the taste of her pussy as we kissed. She used her hand to wipe my mouth and went back to DFK. I told her it was her turn to suck me. She tried but was not very good. She kept one hand securely wrapped around my cock so only the top part would go into her mouth. It was enough to get me fully erect though.

I pulled her up so she was squatting over my thighs and she got the idea and held my cock up as she squatted down on it. Even as wet as she was it took her a couple of tries to get me all the way in. Then the greatest thing happened. She moved her tight pussy up and down my shaft never touching the rest of my body. Just her pussy and my cock was all that touched. I don't know how Asians can squat like that but its nice. She did not let her weight rest on me until I was though squirting up into her, then she collapsed down on me and rested her head on my chest. After my cock went soft, we washed up and got ready for sleep. I got her a clean t-shirt to sleep in (no panties) and we crawled back into bed. We slept spoon style was her butt to my crotch.

In the morning, I woke up with wood and needed to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. But I hate to waste a good erection and started to poke the girl between her thighs. I found her tight hole and started to slide into her from behind. I was almost all the way in before she started to wake up. She was startled but I wrapped an arm around her and told her to relax. She laid there and let me have my way with her. She got wetter but did not seem to overly enjoy my efforts. After I was finished, we showered together and she was more responsive in the shower with DFK and washing my cock.

I bought her breakfast and gave her some pesos to take a trike home. After I got the room cleaned up and sat around the pool, I went to Mirrors' happy hour which started at 12:00. Evidently, the word of my largess had gotten around as I got smiles and hugs from the day shift girls. I saw the girl and the mama later that night and both had big smiles also. All in all it was a good night for me. During the rest of my trip, I did not barfine the girl again but did buy her a couple of lady drinks. I saw her later in my stay with an older Aussie in the restaurant eating a late night supper.

Slim

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1181503]Actually, if my refusal rate went from 20% to 80 percent, I would not care. I am only interested in girls (p4p or regular) who are into satisfying MY THINGS. If she cannot do one of my particulars, I'm completely uninterested (underscore COMPLETELY). I never worry about what the girls think. Does she like my smile? My hotel? My personality? I'm not there for that. I'm there for me. Its fine if the girl wants to get together again another time, and its fine if she never wants to see me again. Its fine if she wants to go with me (for whatever reason) , and its fine if she does not. I don't care about any of that. I only care if she is willing to do the particular things that I like.

As an example, one of my requirements is pictures. I don't care if she's Brooke Burke in looks. If she's not dying to be a cam sl*t, she's not for me. If she's even a hint shy to it, or a hint shy of being a sl*t, don't bother me. If she's a chatmate, I go to lengths in chat to be honest and tell her what I'm looking for. A lot of girls are not interested (and a lot of them refer me to a friend / cousin / sister who is like that). I never care what my refusals (or anyone) thinks of my preferences. I'm looking for a certain kind of girl (only). Fortunately, there are lots of those in phils.

JACKSON, BOARD RESPONSE TIMES ARE SLOW.[/QUOTE]Well said. Sometimes I tend to be too nice. And no good deed go unpunished.

Anyway I almost always regret when I do not assert what I want. And let the girl have it her way or half her way.

They will suck you dry if you let them ahahahahhaa.

I am much happier if the girl is more willing. Amazing how lazy and how little some girls want to do and they still want support.

Money and you to treat them to everything.

I refused more girls now then I get refused. And I agree fuck them if they do not like it. I am boss and its my way or the highway.

If a girl is good to me then I am good to her. But if she is not willing and or not enthusiastic then I just say bye.

Yes mostly I want enthusiasm

[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist;1181266]Same for me, about 20% refuse. There could be 100 reasons why, maybe she's really on mens, or she doesn't like sleeping with strangers, or maybe my face reminds her of her ex. Whatever it is, I am thankful for a honest refusal, so I can move on and chat up a more willing girl. A worse scenario is when the girl doesn't like you but allows the barfine anyway, then you get the starfish treatment in the hotel. I am tired, I am ticklish, I don't do BJ, your too big, or just plain old silence.[/QUOTE]I refuse about 90% of them and yes I get refused also. And then I am thankful that I don't get involved with someone.

That is not into me and willing to please.

Let them find someone else to cater to them. I am very nice to the girls but if I take a girl. I want to feel excitement and

Enthusiasm. Other wise I can go back to america and keep looking. Hahhaha.

It seems like the recent raids have scared mongers out of the bars. There are hardly any mongers in the bars but lots of cute girls. The girls are very aggressive at pushing for bar fine and bareback is on offer. The only drawback is getting soaked in the rain going from bar to bar. The rain also seems to make the street vendors more persistent as there are less targets. There is also a short fat middle aged Filipino riding up and down Fields Ave and Perimeter Road on a scooter claiming to be a hotel manager interested in buying clothes from abroad to set up a business then trying the "can I see your wallet" scam on foreigners.