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[QUOTE=KaveMan;2097977]I could never get the math to work.
Austria, on the other-hand I am hearing stellar reports about. Must try Wellcum.[/QUOTE]I would still say give German FKKs a go as often it is girls from FKK here who go and work at globe and vice-versa. I have to admit Wellcum looks amazing! But are there any reports from it on ISG about girls and sessions?
Kaveman — not sure why LAX FRA is nearly $400 more than to ZRH, especially if you plan ahead. As for the rest of the items, staying close to the clubs you can get by on far less. If you do your due diligence, you can experience plenty of good looking good service providers in Hessen clubs, and *if you pay Globe prices in Hessen* you will probably get GFE from every girl. Not that I am recommending it.
SYB2006 - good work, 10 years of FKKing! You are a lucky man. And a nice report from your first session, thanks. My first FKK girl was meh, but I fucked this skinny Romanian girl with a fantastic body (and cleopatra-like haircut) called Isabella on my first day in Oase Kino — my first ever public sex debauchery, and I will take that memory to my grave, LOL.
Well if you have to spend 150 e a night on a hotel in Germany then money shouldn't be an issue at all. Getting an OK room for half that price is very much doable. Hotels are deffinately cheaper in Germany than Switzerland.
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;2097886]Anyway Mr Ho is right it is a pretty amazing life we live. The only down side is that apart from my very closest friends I cannot talk to people about it because of society being judgmental- although thankfully Europe where I live is less so than other parts! That's why ISG has become an important part of my life! When I'm dying I'm sure the memories of the girls in FKKs will provide nice memories. Interesting to think which one's I'll remember and which ones I'll forget. When the number of girls is in the 100's (thousands for some people on here though -- I'm still a beginner! Which girls stand out?
Do any of you have one particular memory or favourite girl that sticks out from all the rest? It's almost impossible I know! Although I suppose we'll never forget our first FKK girl. Which gives me an idea![/QUOTE]We also have to appreciate the fact that BBBJ part of our mongering in such international scale in German FKK, we get out dick sucked by many beauties from many ethnicity back ground and wow this is something we should and in part we should have appreciated, it used to be only for 50 euro or 60 euro too.
Now this BBBJ become bit controversial as some provide still for standard price, some ask for more for BBBJ and I feel we should appreciate and enjoy BBBJ part as it might be harder to get as time goes on, we will always going to get BBBJ, but with annoying negotiation in future I think.
Let us hope our mongering life will continue in many places as possible so we got choices of places to go for our mongering trip, Germany by far is my favorite place for mongering and I hope it won't go more conservative than this. I mean I remember the day when I first heard about this BBBJ law. My face went blue and I got alarmed.
Meanwhile, what a great life we live and it is amazing way of life if we get away with it and we do legally, thanks to german liberal system LOL.
We get 20 years old girls from many skin color willing to please us, all we have to do is pay reasonable amount, isn't this great thing?
[QUOTE=KaveMan;2097977]I could never get the math to work.
I'm coming from Los Angeles; a non-stop flight to Frankfurt ranges from $1250-1500; adding a hotel of $150/ nt and rental car of $400/ wk it starts to get close to Globe where non-stop flights are $900-1100 (even freak fares of $550-750) and hotels (same cost) are next door to clubs.
Also, as an in-frequent, long-haul traveller, the risk of of bad LUs can be disasters as sunk cost of $3000+ trip can be high.
I don't doubt German FKKs LU have stunners; however when you read negative reports, non-GFE for EU 60 at 30 minutes, then the risk of rolling dice gets higher v. Globe where service is high-level / GFE.
Austria, on the other-hand I am hearing stellar reports about. Must try Wellcum.[/QUOTE]So how many rooms do you have per trip? 30? So what if you waste five 30 min rooms? Its only 250 e total since you can allways cut them short. That's comparable to 2 Globe rooms. But then you also get 25 good to fantastic rooms too. And if one club has a bad lineup in Germany, there is allways 15 other decent to great clubs within a 2 HR drive. So you can do 2 clubs in a day if you are not happy with the first. And still entry won't be more than at globe. But in my own experience, such bad lineups where I can't even find 2-3 doable girls is very rare. Only happened twice to me this year, and one of them probably doesn't even count (Aca Gold). When it comes to Austria, well I guess the upselling / service is great at some clubs. Wellcum was great. GT Vienna however was worse than any German FKK I've been to regarding upselling. So I am guessing you get the whole range of clubs from good to bad in Austria too.
[QUOTE=KaveMan;2097619]Thanks for your posting; its educational for all.
Was this the result of just aging (your age? Illness (diabetes, infection, etc) or lifestyle (drinking, smoking, drugs) or heart attack or just spontaneous.
I am temporarily not happy with LU quality at Globe / Zurich; but after reflection may up my pussy consumption as I feel time is running out (I'm 49).
I had an existential realization that ANY penny not spent on mongering pussy in retrospect will be viewed as wasted.
I can't bring myself to sped $1000's on old hobbies of vintage cars, watches, art when a dripping, tight, 20's pussy is readily available via mongering.
Considering budgeting $10-15,000 per / yr. Total, for quarterly mongering with 25-35 pussies fucked, as long as alive.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I got something called peyronies disease in my late thirties. I have good health otherwise. It could come from overuse I guess. I first masturbated as I toddler so I never really understood how people start masturbating in there teens. If the Germans have peyronies figured out someone please let me know. Thanks for appreciating my post.
My first FKK girl was the famous Thai girl Bee at Palace. It was February 2011. Bee had been on my "to do" list, but with a question mark. All the many reports on her had noted her longevity at the club and her high level of service. Nothing had been written about her appearance except that she was tall for an asian. So I wondered if she would be pretty enough for me.
I was exploring the club within an hour or so of arriving in paradise, when I saw a tall asian girl walking toward me. She was startlingly pretty, and I hoped she would be Bee. She was. No interview necessary. We had a great hour together. I mainly remember her incredible eye contact. After we met, her eyes never left mine except maybe a bit during doggy.
Later I approached her again for a repeat, but she said she was booked the rest of the night. The next evening I saw her just for a moment, but she was booked up again.
Two lessons learned from this session. 1. Do your homework on ISG to increase your chances of finding a star girl. 2. While studying a candidate and making choices with deliberation are sound principles, you must grab some girls immediately or they may escape forever.
What heaven that first FKK day that was.
I've seen you state a couple of times that us mongers are "getting away with it" while Weinstein did not. I disagree with that characterization of things, at least with respect to how I monger. That kind of thinking is akin to making what we do the same thing as what Weinstein did. It is not. I stick to places where prostitution is legal, and every last single thing that goes down is between consenting adults. This is nothing like what Weinstein is accused of doing.
I understand that even if legal and between consenting adults, there are many people who would classify hiring prostitutes as "sexually abusing" women nevertheless. To them, grown women are always victims and don't have the ability to decide how to live their own lives. Well in my view, these people are dead wrong, and I don't see myself as "getting away" with anything in this respect.
What Weinstein did was illegal and non-consensual. And that does not match up to what we the typical mongers do. He needed to try to "get away" with something. We do not. This is how I see it. If you believe otherwise, then you my friend are giving in to the enemy who say we are abusing women. Again, I disagree with that conclusion.
To continue indulgently the "first" theme. Was at Atlantis in 2001 (or 2002). I went in the front porch and nearly fainted at the sight of naked girls whizzing back and forwards to the moneylockers. I had never seen naked girls walking around before. I genuinely thought that it was my idea of Heaven. I then opened the heavy red velvet curtains into the main room and saw in the crowded gloom at least forty slim girls I could go with. It was not a question of finding someone acceptable but of thinking how the hell do I choose". Some of the rejects from this visit were still on my favourites list years later. Many nationalities, all well made up, all lively. After a quick circuit or two within inches of breasts, tongues, enquiring hands and beautiful eyes I paused at a silicon blonde barby russian: the session must have been good because the same night I did a double with her and another russian, slim and brunette. The second russian later came up to me and started kissing and stroking so I went for a second session with her. I thought it meant she liked me (Then I did a session with a German girl on the public bed. The only problem was that the public bed was in almost constant use. All the sessions involved DFK and DATY, and all ran to the correct 30 minutes. I had to leave a my time window was closing. That first visit was one of the best decisions I have ever made.Each of these girls still has a place in my 💓 for the top level service and kindness they gave to a confused naive beginner
That was a good way to start. A dirty pornstar Barbie, a two girl session. A romantic Russian, and a fun German in public.
16 years FKK. Every year different and every one a gem
Like others here, my first FKK experience was at Palace in Frankfurt. I actually don't remember the first girl. But, I do remember the first FKK girl who really, really turned me on. And that would be blue-eyed, blonde, Czech Gina. Before her surgeries and enhancements that were to come later. When she was still learning her trade, and didn't even do anal at that time. Ah yes a young Gina! My very first FKK favorite!
My first sex at all was with a prostitute. Actually, I had had sex about a dozen times or more with prostitutes before I had my first girlfriend. Would have been more if I had more money. This was back before AIDS, so one could get AO for just a little extra. Later I switched to BBBJCIM and then vaginal sex with condom, but two orgasms in the standard 30-minute RLD session.
Since that first girlfriend, I've essentially always had one, but prostitution was always there on the side, maybe a couple of times per year.
My first visit to a club was Dietzenbach, back in 2001. I don't remember the name of the first girl, but it was rather rushed and while I liked the atmosphere of the place, I was a bit disappointed at this session. The second was Tina from Indonesia, who I had several times again in later years. It turned out that that first session was atypical and later most of my sessions in Dietzenbach were good. The third session was very good. I was particularly delighted that the girl didn't shave. I remember the times when practically no women shaved; now, like piercings, tattoos, SUVs, etc, it has become an annoying trend. (I don't mind a shaved pussy, since there can be sexual reasons for this, but shaving armpits and legs is just daft.) Fortunately, in Germany women still have the freedom not to shave and I know several who don't. None of my girlfriends has shaved (except one who shaved her pussy).
A bit later, I had a couple of good visits to a small Partytreff-type place, Carmen's party near Limburg. I believe I found out about it from ISG. ISG also led me to Dorsten, and I was there in the glory days, with my record 13 orgasms during one visit. I then visited several partytreff clubs, but also Dietzenbach. Mettmann was probably the best I've ever had. A real shame that it has gone.
Around 2007 I discovered erotic massage. It is different, but most of my mongering is there nowadays, where I really do go mainly for the massage component, though I appreciate the erotic component as well. Fortunately I am married to a much younger woman with the (for me) ideal figure who does all I want in bed, so mongering is purely for variety, not for basic needs. .
From time to time I've been to swinger clubs, but never as part of a couple, and hence only to those who allowed single men. It can be hit and miss, of course, but most visits have been worth it.
Palace 2005. The place just blew my mind, balls and wallet. Russian girl with eggy breath, who let me finger her arse really deep. I made several trips to Palace in 2005 but discovered Partytreffs in 2006 thanks to Jackyo and Breadman, and partytreffs were so much easier on the wallet. I still did a fair few FKKs over the years.
Well where has that 15 years gone?
Ive been mongering 30 years now (started in my teens), and have enjoyed most of it thoroughly. Ive never had a bad trip to Germany, and made nearly 100 trips at this stage from 2005.
I think Ive had 2000 hoors in my life.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2098310]I've seen you state a couple of times that us mongers are "getting away with it" while Weinstein did not. I disagree with that characterization of things, at least with respect to how I monger. That kind of thinking is akin to making what we do the same thing as what Weinstein did. It is not. I stick to places where prostitution is legal, and every last single thing that goes down is between consenting adults. This is nothing like what Weinstein is accused of doing.
I understand that even if legal and between consenting adults, there are many people who would classify hiring prostitutes as "sexually abusing" women nevertheless. To them, grown women are always victims and don't have the ability to decide how to live their own lives. Well in my view, these people are dead wrong, and I don't see myself as "getting away" with anything in this respect.
What Weinstein did was illegal and non-consensual. And that does not match up to what we the typical mongers do. He needed to try to "get away" with something. We do not. This is how I see it. If you believe otherwise, then you my friend are giving in to the enemy who say we are abusing women. Again, I disagree with that conclusion.[/QUOTE]I agree in most part and what we do is consensual yes, but we as in us and Weinstein both seek for same event, but us we pay to do it in legal area and he does it randomly using his position and power over women.
In FKK, we have power over women to certain extent using our money and it is trade, we want sexual experience, they want the money, so yes it is consensual.
But I also notice that for society view point, what we do is not same, but similar direction. It is funny how society view sex as so negative and sex is the reason why we are all born.
All in all, if one can control himself, it is best to just have sex with tutes in right locations like Germany, Zurich, Austria, Brazil etc than going for normal girls and get into crazy things like Weinstein did, we get the same result from beauties as he wanted to and we do not get accused legally at least like he did.
Though I do not recommend myself to tell society about my hobby as I know that they only view me as same as Weinstein or at least they will not see much difference LOL So I let them think I love German history so I travel often to Germany LOL and I be sure to take many selfies I can use for my instagram and facebook account in museums in Germany that I sometimes visit, so I can re-use those museum photos LOL.
[QUOTE=KnightMid;2098213]Unfortunately, I got something called peyronies disease [/QUOTE]Look into a major USA Research hospital's Urology Department; there should have state of the art treatment and therapies available.
-Mayo Clinic.
-Massachusetts General.
-Cleveland Clinic.
-Johns Hopkins University Hospital.
-New York Hospital (Columbia / Cornell).
-UCLA Reagan.
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