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[QUOTE=Optimist;2102874] The problems arise if one is coming from abroad for a particular girl[/QUOTE]Yeah, but that's the problem. You normally only have 1-3 favourite girls in a club. There may be another 1-5 girls you would do as reserves, but you really want those 1-3 favourites. Without wasting money on double entries to 2 clubs in one day. That only works if you have some free entry ticket, or there is very low entry price like at aca. Even the gt / lr combo adds up, so you don't really want to do it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2102908]I just don't understand why some guys can't just go and fuck these girls and leave them. I mean really? If you want a "regular" date, then stay away from a tute who's fucking God knows how many men in a week! Stay away from the pros and stick with the "civilians". Yes, what she did was wrong. But dudes, you ought to know better. For Christ's sake you do know better! So no sympathy on my part. You bring it upon yourselves every single time. Ever the "optimist"![/QUOTE]No way was I asking for sympathy. You must have a very low opinion of me. I just thought it might amuse / entertain / inform and so on. I get really p. d off with guys on this forum who think they have the right to judge others methods.

You don't understand why I don't just fuck and go: well that is your loss. If you can't tell the difference with fucking a hundred holes and fucking people then that is your loss.

The benefits of my approach outweigh the disadvantages for me.

Forever optimist? No, I have finally learnt to assume that there is always someone on this forum who thinks they can tell me what to do, by some right they have given themselves.

Just back off

[QUOTE=TheCane;2102908]I just don't understand why some guys can't just go and fuck these girls and leave them. I mean really? If you want a "regular" date, then stay away from a tute who's fucking God knows how many men in a week! Stay away from the pros and stick with the "civilians". Yes, what she did was wrong. But dudes, you ought to know better. For Christ's sake you do know better! So no sympathy on my part. You bring it upon yourselves every single time. Ever the "optimist"![/QUOTE]Well this is the mind set - She treat me differently to others.

This is the game tute play, then she will begin to measure your temperature how much she can take from you with all these stories she mostly create.

However, this is same for most normal girls LOL.

So my conclusion is that normal girls and tutes has very thin line between nowadays, they are not the same, but similar LOL.

And, now I know that some guys reading thinks, my wife is different or you don't know the true love etc etc. LOL.

Funny world we live in.

All the girls we fuck in FKK for 50 euro and cum in mouth for another 50 euro etc will one day marry some low IQ naive guy who think she is an angel and she will kiss her children with her lip that used to kiss my butt hole for extra 50 euro or for free LOL!

I see these thing, some men see only illusions.

It is a choice you make.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2102949]I get really p. d off with guys on this forum who think they have the right to judge others methods.[/QUOTE]Every time every single one of us posts something in a public forum, we've acted in the court of public opinion. If we don't want to risk a reaction that we don't like, then it would be better to just keep it to ourselves. You have the right to pursue whatever methods you like. And if you tell other people about those methods in a public forum, then those people have a right to react to them and what you said, either positively or negatively. That's life.

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One girl asked to meet me on her day off, no money mentioned. I have known her for a short time but she has been really sweet to me.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2102871]
So I wasted seven hours waiting.
[/QUOTE]Salaam Optimist. A sad but common tale.

Mr Cane suggested that this is typical of ladies of easy virtue, as if you would not suffer this on the regular dating scene. Not true! I see remarkably little difference between WGs and, say, American girls I have dated in terms of flakiness and general personality attributes.

In fact it is largely due to the flakiness in the dating scene, and also the escort scene, that many of us resorted to FKKs in the first place. If you have to spend seven hours of anguish to discover that a girl doesn't actually like you, then casual dating becomes enormously expensive. A simple "no" would be much better. There are just too many destructive types who enjoy messing with guys' heads and spoiling the scene for everybody.

My theory is that women always need a place to congregate: a church, an FKK, a village, whatever. This is a proven model, this works.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2103153]Mr Cane suggested that this is typical of ladies of easy virtue, as if you would not suffer this on the regular dating scene. Not true! I see remarkably little difference between WGs and, say, American girls I have dated in terms of flakiness and general personality attributes.[/QUOTE]I didn't say that it couldn't happen in the regular dating scene, and it was not my intent to suggest that. It can and it does happen. But like so much else, it's a matter of probabilities and risk management my friend. And, I've been around and experienced enough to know that messing with a "prostitute" for regular dating and / or marriage is a total losing proposition! If that's what you want, then raise your chances of long-term success by going after a civilian. By how much, I don't know. Not enough for me to pursue that avenue given the divorce rate LOL! But still, your chances are better than trying to girlfriend or wife up a tute! That's for damn sure!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2103015]All the girls we fuck in FKK for 50 euro and cum in mouth for another 50 euro etc will one day marry some low IQ naive guy who think she is an angel and she will kiss her children with her lip that used to kiss my butt hole for extra 50 euro or for free LOL![/QUOTE]Oh my God you're killing me Ho! You're killing me! Too funny LOLOLOL! Well yeah, I'll agree with you. The line between a tute and a civie may not be so broad. But, it's still there nevertheless. Messing with a tute is a known, no-win situation. You at least have a margin of a chance with a regular girl. This is how I see it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2103065]Every time every single one of us posts something in a public forum, we've acted in the court of public opinion. If we don't want to risk a reaction that we don't like, then it would be better to just keep it to ourselves. You have the right to pursue whatever methods you like. And if you tell other people about those methods in a public forum, then those people have a right to react to them and what you said, either positively or negatively. That's life.[/QUOTE]I do not see this forum as a court where every poster is to have judgement passed on him.

I see it as a place for sharing, advising, and commenting (agreeing or disagreeing), as distinct from a place for passing judgement on every post.

My objection was not that you didn't agree with me (I love discussion and dissent) but that you saw fit to pass judgement.

You will see from my post subsequent to this, that I agree totally with you that this episode illustrates the downside of having a regular gfe type prostitute.Overall I do find it a win:win situation, but with significant risk of a loss.

Follow On.

For what it is worth.

The girl was back at work today and was very apologetic and explained fully what had happened. (I over heard some comments which indicated thete might have been truth in the story)

I guess my point in posting is simply, as TheCane suggests, that if one gets involved in any sense with a working girl other than the fuck and go relationship, one gets sucked into their often slightly chaotic lifestyle. This episode was a simple example of this: we are either customers or husbands/boyfriends/partners: mixing being a customer with being a friend is always potentially difficult (same in any professional/client relationship)

However it was on balance worth the stress as I have a really nice time with her normally. The stress was in a sense a portion of investment in the business relationship involving real people

[QUOTE=Optimist;2103345]
The girl was back at work today and was very apologetic and explained fully what had happened. (I over heard some comments which indicated thete might have been truth in the story)[/QUOTE]Ya salam 3 njad! Does she DFK well? If not, my advice is: don't believe a word of it! Varium et mutabile semper femina.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2103257]Oh my God you're killing me Ho! You're killing me! Too funny LOLOLOL! Well yeah, I'll agree with you. The line between a tute and a civie may not be so broad. But, it's still there nevertheless. Messing with a tute is a known, no-win situation. You at least have a margin of a chance with a regular girl. This is how I see it.[/QUOTE]What? No win situation with tute? I think it is win win situation buddy.

Look, one day these tute will find boyfriend who is naive and ignorant and he will invest thousands on bags, shoes, rents etc or even marry her to become her husband who do not know who she really is. This is real losing situation on this poor guy due to his naiveness and low IQ.

Where as, we know who she is she is tute, we pay her 50 euro per 30 min, we sex her up and do all sort of dirty thing, and she get 50 euro per 30 min for it, this is real win win situation more to our side actually LOL.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2103345]Follow On.

For what it is worth.

The girl was back at work today and was very apologetic and explained fully what had happened. (I over heard some comments which indicated thete might have been truth in the story)

I guess my point in posting is simply, as TheCane suggests, that if one gets involved in any sense with a working girl other than the fuck and go relationship, one gets sucked into their often slightly chaotic lifestyle. This episode was a simple example of this: we are either customers or husbands/boyfriends/partners: mixing being a customer with being a friend is always potentially difficult (same in any professional/client relationship)

However it was on balance worth the stress as I have a really nice time with her normally. The stress was in a sense a portion of investment in the business relationship involving real people[/QUOTE]In the world of tute and monger, many things are different to real world. Like Romanian in the world of tute is Spanish or Italian LOL.

Some mongers believe, I do not LOL.

I consider them as some kind of Italian and Spanish who tend to speak only Romanian language with limited Italian and Spanish language skill LOL.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2103378]Ya salam 3 njad! Does she DFK well? If not, my advice is: don't believe a word of it! Varium et mutabile semper femina.[/QUOTE]Yes, nice DFK, but that doesn't mean her tongue speaks the truth :D

I think I am no better. Yesterday I left the club for shopping saying I would go back. After 30 minutes I got an sms. When I returned I asked what she did it for. She said she thought maybe I would change my mind while I was out and not come back. So far as the girls see, we are as crazy and unreliable as we think they are.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2103345]... as TheCane suggests, that if one gets involved in any sense with a working girl other than the fuck and go relationship, one gets sucked into their often slightly chaotic lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Regarding girls' lifestyle I suspect the working girls population to be strongly bimodal. What you find is either:

1) Childless girls. Statistically the younger. Very chaotic lifestyle. Not seriously looking for a husband or any normal relationship with men like us.

2) Girls with at least one young child or infant. Statistically older. Fairly regulated, even boring lifestyle. Seriously looking for a husband or sponsor to provide them with a soft-landing in their life.

Tom Byron, a porn stunt cock from the 1980's once said he fell in love with Traci Lords who was infamous for lying about her age and entering the industry when she was 15. Byron said "it was puppy love man, I could not believe this beautiful girl was fucking me so many times, falling in love was natural".

So, this guy was fucking several hundreds of girls a year, she was fucking several dozen men herself on the sets, and yet he fell in love when he knew she came into the industry mainly to support her drug habit.

The point is that when you have a beautiful girl fucking you and doing other naughty things to you in the room, it is natural to develop some feelings for some of them. I always said if they removed all the room walls and all fucking was public in the clubs, people could see that what she is doing with / to you is not at all exclusive and that she is giving such service to all other men; and will quickly disabuse you of any emotional attachments. The best solution to any of this inconvenient emotional entanglement is to find another gorgeous girl in the club and fuck her to your heart's content and then we will find we are bastards of little loyalty and can move on quickly from one girl to another.