Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772509]You know where the majority of fb girls come from? Bello, manrique, and the barrios east of centro. You know where the majority of centro girls come from? Same places, same ingredients. Same chef.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't know why that is so hard for guys to understand. These hoes come from the same damn neighborhoods, but these guys are of the mind that the ones that come directly to where they are staying by means of a taxi they are paying for, are better than the ones that you are going into the field to pick off the tree. They act like the ones they are meeting on facebook or seeking are coming from around the corner in a neighboring Poblado high-rise condo and the chicks working downtown are going there straight from the homeless shelter or drug den.

I guess that phrase about not going into the kitchen to see how the food is prepared works in this instance. I get where the mongers' heads are though. I remember being at a restaurant in Temple Bar in Dublin with my ex girlfriend. I ordered a Coca-Cola for 5 euro. I was sitting next to the kitchen where I saw the lady put ice into what might have been a 6-ounce glass, open a can of Coke, and pour part of it into the glass. That hurt the fuck out of my heart. I don't think I was expecting the Coke fairies to pisz it out of magic wands, but in my head I thought I would be getting something a little better than less than half of a normal can of Coca-Cola for that 5 euro.

For 200,000 pesos these mongers suspect they are getting someone that comes from a better place than the chicks downtown come from, but same places, same ingredients, same chef. Just don't be nosey and peek into the kitchen if you want this my 200,000 peso girl is better than your 30,000 peso girl fantasy to continue.

Lot of personal attacks and negativity on this thread.

My request is to be kind and respectful to folks on this forum. These forums are not meant to be a pissing contest between us, it's about helping and learning from fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2772444] You come off as a buffoon.[/QUOTE]And you come off as pathetic if you actually take serious anything that's said in a hooker forum. Please enlighten me how I am likely to get scoped? I don't mess around with cheap hookers like you. Some of you come off as know it all's than get your panties all in a bunch when someone doesn't agree with you.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772509]Well since you like wothless anecdotes, how about paying USD 15 for a Pepsi in a club, when you cango to a corner shop and pay 50 c. ?

You know where the majority of fb girls come from? Bello, manrique, and the barrios east of centro. You know where the majority of centro girls come from? Same places, same ingredients. Same chef.[/QUOTE]Holy smokes who charges $15 for a Pepsi? I think I seen as high as $10.

Oh I'm not saying there aren't any 5-6's on fb or seeking. I'm just saying the ones I've contacted so far I very much doubt I would find working the streets of el centro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2772482]You say that as if there are no crack head high price escorts or no high end street hookers. 99% of the posts here that guys mention doing drugs with chicks or getting drugged or robbed, guess where they did not come from? Yep. Got them from clubs and online. Not centro![/QUOTE]I think you mean Tinder and Lleras sw's. Big difference.

I rather take my chances over paying what I believe to be a premium hooker vs going with a cheap street hooker or tinder girl any day.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772572]Holy smokes who charges $15 for a Pepsi? I think I seen as high as $10.
I'm just saying the ones I've contacted so far I very much doubt I would find working the streets of el centro.[/QUOTE]The difference in price is not the problem. The issue is that a difference exists. Haha, get this. You know all those girls on FB and Seeking. You don't think any of them started in Centro, or started on basic fees? I don't have the stats, but a % of the FB girls started at bottom prices. I know it for a fact. So we can agree its possible. Which means we are working on probabilities. Whch means there are ugly high price chicks, and beautiful low price chicks. End of.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772451]You had to write a whole book? LOL I'm not reading all of that. I guess you are sensitive as well. Well I can't say I'm surprised that you are 60. Just as I suspected, that explains a lot. Yeah some of us been wasting our time going back and fourth because you're right I can't relate to you. I'm surprised you can still get it up LOL more power to ya. Don't take this the wrong way I wouldn't want nothing bad to happen to ya. I'm well aware of the chances, just like you should be aware as well that chances are a girl will enjoy the sex better thus give better service (better sex) with someone she's more attracted to and closer to her age vs someone who's old enough to be grandpa with old wrinkly balls LOL. Don't get your panties all in a bunch and reply back with a book, It's just a joke.[/QUOTE]Yes. I wrote a whole book. I'm a fan of being clear, giving examples and using complete sentences. It's an old guy thing.

Here's some more old guy wisdom. I'll try to keep it brief, I don't want to overwhelm your Adderall prescription.

1. When anyone starts a sentence with "don't take this the wrong way" they fully intend to be insulting, or misleading, but lack the testicular fortitude to just come out and say what they mean.

2. Girls who are only having sex because they are getting paid, aren't doing it because they enjoy it. They might, but it's not the primary consideration. The passion, real or faked, is a product of their desire to get paid.

3. At least in Colombia, age difference is not as big of a factor as you believe. Across the board, from the cheapest hookers to girls from the wealthiest families, it's fairly common for girls to date much older men.

4. It's not a joke. You became offended when people, myself included, suggested you didn't know everything. The more resistance to your lack of knowledge, the more upset you've become.

5. I guess I've been doing it wrong for all these years. I've never started any sexual encounter by first showing a girl my balls. Long before she can even see my balls, if she's going to become aroused, she's well on her way. I guess there's no need to learn those skills when you've only had pay 4 play sex. I had to do it the hard way. Instead of just handing money to a girl until she wanted to be with me, I had 2 hurdles to overcome. First I had to get her attention and build interest. After building that interest enough to get her to bed, I had to satisfy her if I wanted a repeat.

6. Last one. Women are not nearly as visually aroused as men. The most attractive man will turn a woman off with the wrong words. On the other hand, the ugliest man in the world can make every woman in the place drop her panties with a well turned phrase.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772453]Pretty self explanatory. Better quality (better looking / better service) what's that saying from papa John's? Better ingredients, better pizza LOL. Well same thing. I don't have to test drive a Mercedes to know it looks and drives better than a Honda.[/QUOTE]1. That's a copyrighted slogan. They don't make "better pizza" or use "better ingredients. ".

2. I've never met a pizza with free will. While many women also want to be eaten, they have more say in the matter than an average pizza.

3. Looks and service are completely separate issues.

4. "Better. " You still don't grasp the meaning of "subjective. " Until you drive a Mercedes, you have no idea if it drives better than a Honda, for you. In most cases (I'm not looking it up), a Mercedes has a longer wheelbase than a Honda, which means a smoother ride. However, the shorter wheelbase provides more maneuverability. Again, I'm not looking it up, but probably some Hondas have a higher Horsepower to weight ratio, which means quicker acceleration. Higher mileage, lower maintenance costs, higher resale value, easier parallel parking, for many people the Honda is better than the Mercedes, in the important categories. However, if your mostly concerned with impressing easily impressed people, you'll want the Mercedes.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772563]And you come off as pathetic if you actually take serious anything that's said in a hooker forum. Please enlighten me how I am likely to get scoped? I don't mess around with cheap hookers like you. Some of you come off as know it all's than get your panties all in a bunch when someone doesn't agree with you.[/QUOTE]The cheap hookers aren't the ones scoping guys. I'm in list mode tonight.

1. Why waste 20 k worth of scopolamine to steal 200 k or less from a guy?.

2. It becomes really difficult for a cheap hooker to get a short time room if she's leaving 6 drugged customers in rooms every day.

3. Do you understand "Pot. Kettle. Black?" You came off as a know it all and then got your panties in a bunch when people disagreed with you.

4. While I'm not speculating on the probability of you getting scoped, you seem to have something in common with many victims. You ignore or attack people who give advice. You assume you know more about mongering in a city you've never visited than guys who have spent years here. Also, you constantly talk about how much money you'll be willing to spend.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772563] Please enlighten me how I am likely to get scoped? I don't mess around with cheap hookers like you. [/QUOTE]I see scope in your future. Please guys do not tell him the answers as to why. He will not listen. Just let it happen. He obviously wants it and will get it. Let Darwin do his thing.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772572] the ones I've contacted so far I very much doubt I would find working the streets of el centro.[/QUOTE]Anthony, this should help clarify it for you. I know many girls that started on the street or in casas. And then once they had established enough contacts w clients, they decided to move to facebook and whatsapp. So yes, they are the VERY SAME GIRLS.

And if 'mileage' is an issue to you, the facebook version of the girl is the more experienced version who has fucked more guys.

Every girl has a different story. Some work exclusively Facebook, some only work the streets, some work both, some work only FB and will end up exclusively on the streets, some work only the streets but will eventually become FB exclusively. And 1000 variations in between. There are no absolutes for the life path these girls need to take. Life is random, just enjoy it.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772742]Anthony, this should help clarify it for you. I know many girls that started on the street or in casas. And then once they had established enough contacts w clients, they decided to move to facebook and whatsapp. So yes, they are the VERY SAME GIRLS.

And if 'mileage' is an issue to you, the facebook version of the girl is the more experienced version who has fucked more guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772742]Anthony, this should help clarify it for you. I know many girls that started on the street or in casas. And then once they had established enough contacts w clients, they decided to move to facebook and whatsapp. So yes, they are the VERY SAME GIRLS.

And if 'mileage' is an issue to you, the facebook version of the girl is the more experienced version who has fucked more guys.[/QUOTE]Facts, the 18 year old vennie who's been in medellin for 3 weeks and starts working in el centro strip club or casa will have less mileage than the average FB girl.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2772782]Facts, the 18 year old vennie who's been in medellin for 3 weeks and starts working in el centro strip club or casa will have less mileage than the average FB girl.[/QUOTE]MTndew, I know you are arguing with JJBee and he made this dumb comment about seeking when he is never used it and now you are doing the same thing.

With seeking, the women have nothing in common outside of putting a profile up on a more socially acceptable website than a hooker site. I have seen all kinds on there from the highest of high end society to the lowest of scumbags.

What does mileage even mean? If the 18 year old Vennie is strung out and ugly and gives a shitty performance, then I would much rather see an attractive, clean, and healthy older woman who has seen a lot of guys. Truth be told, Mtndew, you and everyone else here has no fucking clue how many guys any woman has been with, and I do not know anyone who cares.

It is just part of this notion that the women I am fucking are better than you and as I said, there are no review sites where one can see objectively who the top women are. So arguing about this is an exercise in futility.

Hi!

So I'm about to travel for 12 days in Medellin, and I've tried to read through some topics here. One thing that comes to mind: there's a lot going on 😂.

Anyway, I've been very happy with local amateurs with Tinder in Brazil, and I'm trying that again in Medellin. I've aligned a few contacts, some paid, some amateurs, and I'm keeping my eyes peeled for scams or drink spiking or anything shady.

I'm thinking of renting out a hotel room for the first encounters with new women instead of bringing them in the place that's going to be my main accommodation, and will contain a fair bit of photography and computer gear.

One thing that is titillating me the wrong way, but there's enough legitimacy for me to actually consider.

She's asking for a deposit ($20 USD). I'm assuming this is screaming "Scam" all over the board, right?

[QUOTE=Luminous;2772779]Every girl has a different story. Some work exclusively Facebook, some only work the streets, some work both, some work only FB and will end up exclusively on the streets, some work only the streets but will eventually become FB exclusively. And 1000 variations in between. There are no absolutes for the life path these girls need to take. Life is random, just enjoy it.[/QUOTE]I agree. You can't generalize girls so broadly. As noted, there are some streetwalkers or casa girls who will subsequently go on Facebook. But there are also some girls who are exclusively on Facebook and have never worked on the streets and casas. So it is true that your Facebook girl may have worked on the street or in a casa but it is also true that your Facebook has never worked there and will never work there.

This is a just the continuing battle between guys who like the girls in El Centro and guys who like online girls. There are some El Centro who believe that the girls are all the same and you are overpaying for the FB girls. There are also FB guys who think that the girls are completely different than the El Centro girls and you get what you pay for. It will be a never ending debate. Ja ja ja.

To each, I would say enjoy your preference and don't worry about the other guy. I enjoy my time with FB girls and I rarely spend time thinking about guys and their experiences with the girls in El Centro. We spend different amounts of money but it's my money and I don't know why other guys are so interested in how I spend my money.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2772652]Higher mileage, lower maintenance costs, higher resale value, easier parallel parking, for many people the Honda is better than the Mercedes, in the important categories. [b]However, if your mostly concerned with impressing easily impressed people, you'll want the Mercedes.[/b] [/QUOTE]There are several friends and family members that I have advised to buy the Honda or Toyota over the Mercedes or BMW. I guess they would rather the car look good sitting inoperable in the driveway than being able to have a reliable mode of transportation. And I am a big fan of saying I told you so. My Lexus is 25 years old with 350,000 miles. I would rather spend time and money on traveling and investing than paying and waiting for a car to get fixed every week. My brother could not even open the trunk of his BMW without first buying a $400 battery from the dealer. The joke was on him.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2772742]Anthony, this should help clarify it for you. I know many girls that started on the street or in casas. And then once they had established enough contacts w clients, they decided to move to facebook and whatsapp. So yes, they are the VERY SAME GIRLS.

And if 'mileage' is an issue to you, the facebook version of the girl is the more experienced version who has fucked more guys.[/QUOTE]That guy is something else. Who was the brother (LatinaLover I think) that said he had been giving a chick 100,000 for years then she started dealing with Anthony's kind and all of a sudden started requesting 300,000, 400,000, and 500,000 from him? Maybe dealing with the other guys and gaining all that mileage made her better quality than she was before. All the advice and experience on the forum but he chooses to keep his eyes wide shut.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2772291]That was exactly my point and JJb doesn't get it. If you are 60 and had been married all your life and lived in a pussy prison, but now are finally divorced and come down to MDE, any younger girl you fuck, 18-30 yo, even if fat or unattractive, would be a huge progress compared to your boring, older ex-wife. You fuck whatever moves, and you don't care. I bet when I hit a certain age and get out of shape, I will be gladly fucking any girl I can possibly get, and I will care less about her looks. But as of now, I can afford to be picky.

I think age / standards level correlation has a bell curve. When you are young, inexperienced, horny, and most likely, broke, you fuck any girl you can get. Your standards are low. As you grow up, your wealth grows, as well as your experience with women, and so you become picky and try to get the best women possible. At certain age your health starts to deteriorate, you get out of shape, get sick and tired of your boring married (or single) life, and you gladly fuck the girls you would fuck in your teenage / young years.[/QUOTE]No, MB, as I got older and wealthier, I got more picky versus less.

Still, what is the point of it? You seem to want everyone to agree with you on what a 10 is.

These are two ten types I saw on TV from Colombia:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkAvzqCITw[/URL]

There was another girl named Paola Mayfield who was IMO not in this woman's class who was on 90 day fiance and was the talk of many guy's dreams of a Colombian beauty.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDXEI5R2_b4[/URL]

You can see her work out at the one minute mark. I would actually put her as a 9 not a 10.

Then there are these two women who are 10's IMO.

The other 10 I have met in Colombia is my current gal.

So I have been on dozens of dates and seen thousands of Colombian women, and these are the ones with the exception of Paolo, I would pretty much put in the 10 class. If guys are happy with other women and there are so few 10's, why are you arguing with them? That does not help you.

For all my talks of 10, my ex Venezuelan fiance was a 10 type and after our breakup, I was determined to get as good or better than her. And it was really, really, really fucking hard to find it. It took me a year and a half to find a woman in her class and it was in Mexico City.

If other guys think their fat and ugly women are 10's, agree with them while you keep on the hunt. It is really fucking hard getting a 10, and I wanted as few guys competing for these women as possible.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2772825] If other guys think their fat and ugly women are 10's, agree with them while you keep on the hunt. It is really fucking hard getting a 10, and I wanted as few guys competing for these women as possible.[/QUOTE]Yeah see, there's no point to go back and forth with who we think is a 10. The girls in the links you posted and the pics below for me all would be in the 6-7 range. Too skinny for me, I like a girl with meat on her thighs and a nice juicy butt. For me, if you google the name genesis mia lopez, not crazy about her boob job, she still looked good before she got them done, but either way she's probably still the best example of what a 9-10 body looks like to me. Definitely the best ass. For you it's most likely the complete opposite and that's ok.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2772823] All the advice and experience on the forum but he chooses to keep his eyes wide shut.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Eyes Wide Shut, have any of you experienced mongers ventured into these sex parties in Colombia? There's a guy on instagram that hosts parties every week, he usually hires his own girls I believe and it usually consists of orgies and live sex shows, states anybody else welcomed to join but I believe there is a cover.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2772657]The cheap hookers aren't the ones scoping guys. I'm in list mode tonight.

1. Why waste 20 k worth of scopolamine to steal 200 k or less from a guy?.

2. It becomes really difficult for a cheap hooker to get a short time room if she's leaving 6 drugged customers in rooms every day.

3. Do you understand "Pot. Kettle. Black?" You came off as a know it all and then got your panties in a bunch when people disagreed with you.

4. While I'm not speculating on the probability of you getting scoped, you seem to have something in common with many victims. You ignore or attack people who give advice. You assume you know more about mongering in a city you've never visited than guys who have spent years here. Also, you constantly talk about how much money you'll be willing to spend.[/QUOTE]1. I'm not disagreeing that it can't happen to me, it can happen to ANYONE. Even YOU no matter how knowledgeable you think you are.

2. I'm stating it's most likely to happen with a cheap street hooker vs a online verfied higher end hooker.

3. It's less likely to happen with a girl who clearly has pictures of her family or kids going back years on facebook vs a random thot on tinder.

4. It's less likely to happen with a girl at a place like gustos or la isla where they charge more but their not going to risk losing repeat business to drug someone vs meeting a girl with probably a friend at a random bar / club.

Do you see the pattern I'm going with this? Is it clear to you? I may have not visited yet, but iv'e done my fair share of homework and from what iv'e seen it's mostly girls who are trying to take advantage of guys who are looking for a cheap or free fuck.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2772644] 3. At least in Colombia, age difference is not as big of a factor as you believe. Across the board, from the cheapest hookers to girls from the wealthiest families, it's fairly common for girls to date much older men.

4. It's not a joke. You became offended when people, myself included, suggested you didn't know everything. The more resistance to your lack of knowledge, the more upset you've become. [/QUOTE]Like I said I'm only joking, don't take anything personal. I am enjoying reading back your statements I am learning so much haha.

I have a question, if age is not a big factor why I'm I hearing from everyone that they frown upon sex tourists in Colombia?

Apparently they even have signs at restaurants in poblado mentioning they won't serve you if they suspect you are one. Obviously anyone of your age seen with a girl in her 20's at one of these establishments would turn heads. I think it's discrimination. Have you encountered this? Have you been refused service or do you avoid establishments with these signs?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2772533] I guess that phrase about not going into the kitchen to see how the food is prepared works in this instance. I get where the mongers' heads are though. .[/QUOTE]I'm just going off what others have said on this forum about centro. For the most part they report you will find fat, old, below 7-6's in el centro. So you are telling me you will find the same girls on facebook that appear to be 8's-9's? In that case why would anybody bother with facebook or spending more at places like poblado or la isla?

Same could be said for places like tijuana, if the same was true, why would anyone bother with the club girls if they look exactly the same as the girls on the street. Obviously they don't, at least iv'e never seen one on the street that looks better than any hk girl I been with. But if everyone felt that way those clubs would be out of business. So I'm genuinely asking you why bother than if there's 8's-9's in el centro as you claim unless I misunderstood you?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772951][b]I'm just going off what others have said[/b] on this forum about centro. For the most part they report you will find fat, old, below 7-6's in el centro..... So I'm genuinely
asking you why bother than if there's 8's-9's in el centro as you claim unless I misunderstood you?[/QUOTE]They are not as ugly as people said, and there are not as many 9's and 10's available as you might think. You have to discount the extreme.

I hope you can prove me wrong but you will be lucky to find one that looks like the photos MB1 posted that provide better GFE. It will be a lot of work to find one if you are lucky, then the probability to provide better service at the same time is quite low. Not saying it is impossible, but it is not easy simply because it is perfect and perfect is harded to achieve.

I think you said you are young, know Spanish well, and have enough money, right? You are already well ahead of others, probably including MB1. Why are you arguing with people based on some extreme views you read here? You can let your report speak for you and I look forward to seeing photos from you.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772951]I'm just going off what others have said on this forum about centro. For the most part they report you will find fat, old, below 7-6's in el centro. So you are telling me you will find the same girls on facebook that appear to be 8's-9's? In that case why would anybody bother with facebook or spending more at places like poblado or la isla?
[/QUOTE]That is the Q I ask myself. It doesn't make sense to me either. But that is the debate that rages here bcos so many BMs insist that paying more = more 'quality'. Some of us know its not true bcos many of the girls that now work in the high price places / platforms used to work in casas and Centro. It's just a different phase in a career, yet its the same girl.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772934]Have any of you experienced mongers ventured into these sex parties in Colombia? There's a guy on instagram that hosts parties every week, he usually hires his own girls I believe and it usually consists of orgies and live sex shows, states anybody else welcomed to join but I believe there is a cover.[/QUOTE]Some guy hires (pays) girls for sex parties and you are asking if there is a cover? No. He pays girls for you to sex for free. Hells bells my friends do not even do that for me so why would a stranger do that for you? How much does it cost you to have 1, 2, 3, or 4 girls? The costs increase. There is going to be one hell of a cover charge or you will get robbed. Nothing is for free. Why do you not simply ask the Istagram guy? Do you have any life experience or common sense to speak of?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2772822]There are several friends and family members that I have advised to buy the Honda or Toyota over the Mercedes or BMW. I guess they would rather the car look good sitting inoperable in the driveway than being able to have a reliable mode of transportation. And I am a big fan of saying I told you so. My Lexus is 25 years old with 350,000 miles. I would rather spend time and money on traveling and investing than paying and waiting for a car to get fixed every week. My brother could not even open the trunk of his BMW without first buying a $400 battery from the dealer. The joke was on him.[/QUOTE]It all comes together.

You can buy a comparably equipped GMC or Chevrolet and you'll pay 10-20% more for the GMC. Same chassis, same body, same engine and transmission, assembled at the same factory by the same employees. Every single piece of each vehicle are manufactured by the same suppliers. The only differences are a few cosmetic items.

All the other car manufacturers, about the only thing unique to each brand are body panels, which are pressed in house. They make their own engines and transmissions, but all of the parts are made by outside suppliers. A built in the US Mercedes about 60% comes from the same manufacturers as any other car built in the US.

I hauled parts for Toyota for several years. Everywhere I picked up, except for Toyota transmission and engine plants, the docks were separated by manufacturer. All of them represented at every place.

Bello, Manrique, communal 13, Popular, Paris, Itagui, along with several other barrios are where most of the working girls in Medellin come from, excluding the Venezuelans. The ate the same foods, went to the same schools and shopped at the same stores. Some use more makeup, some spend more on hair and nails, some have better tattoos, but whether they're charging 50 k or 500 k they all come from the same place.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2772825]No, MB, as I got older and wealthier, I got more picky versus less.

Still, what is the point of it? You seem to want everyone to agree with you on what a 10 is.

These are two ten types I saw on TV from Colombia:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkAvzqCITw[/URL]

There was another girl named Paola Mayfield who was IMO not in this woman's class who was on 90 day fiance and was the talk of many guy's dreams of a Colombian beauty.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDXEI5R2_b4[/URL]

You can see her work out at the one minute mark. I would actually put her as a 9 not a 10.

Then there are these two women who are 10's IMO.

The other 10 I have met in Colombia is my current gal.

So I have been on dozens of dates and seen thousands of Colombian women, and these are the ones with the exception of Paolo, I would pretty much put in the 10 class. If guys are happy with other women and there are so few 10's, why are you arguing with them? That does not help you.

For all my talks of 10, my ex Venezuelan fiance was a 10 type and after our breakup, I was determined to get as good or better than her. And it was really, really, really fucking hard to find it. It took me a year and a half to find a woman in her class and it was in Mexico City.

If other guys think their fat and ugly women are 10's, agree with them while you keep on the hunt. It is really fucking hard getting a 10, and I wanted as few guys competing for these women as possible.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree with what you said and I'm not going to quibble over the rest. It's only the last paragraph I'm interested in.

Almost nobody on this board obsesses over whether their girls are 9's or 10's. While many will throw out numbers, most write more about the service. For most, that's the final piece which determines their satisfaction. Almost everyone is limiting their experiences to women they find attractive. Based on their reports, given a choice of repeating with the more attractive girl with bad service, or the less attractive girl with exceptional service, they'll take the service.

The part that bothers me the most is where you repeat the same thing as a few others, like MB. You assume that everyone else, with few exceptions, is only seeing fat and ugly girls. However, also with few exceptions, you have no clue who everyone is fucking or what they look like.

It's just one of those silly, unnecessary judgemental things which obliterates any worthwhile contributions.

I admit to being curious about the replacement you finally found in Mexico city, since you've reported finding the perfect replacement several times on here. Wasn't the most recent one in Cartagena?

It's not important. As long as you're happy.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772940]1. I'm not disagreeing that it can't happen to me, it can happen to ANYONE. Even YOU no matter how knowledgeable you think you are.

2. I'm stating it's most likely to happen with a cheap street hooker vs a online verfied higher end hooker.

3. It's less likely to happen with a girl who clearly has pictures of her family or kids going back years on facebook vs a random thot on tinder.

4. It's less likely to happen with a girl at a place like gustos or la isla where they charge more but their not going to risk losing repeat business to drug someone vs meeting a girl with probably a friend at a random bar / club.

Do you see the pattern I'm going with this? Is it clear to you? I may have not visited yet, but iv'e done my fair share of homework and from what iv'e seen it's mostly girls who are trying to take advantage of guys who are looking for a cheap or free fuck.[/QUOTE]1. I actually am reasonably knowledgeable. The number of positive mentions I get, particularly on the Medellin thread, attests to that.

2. And you are 100% wrong. The cheap street hookers work in El Centro and Mayorista. There is at least one other area, but I've never visited it. The expensive street hookers work in and near Parque Lleras. The cheap street hookers almost exclusively use short time rooms, 15-30 minutes, unless the client pays for more. They can't drug and rob customers. When someone comes to change the sheets, or towels, they are going to notice an unconscious man on the bed.

On the other hand, if you're going to drug and rob someone, you're going to look for the best score, like the guy looking for the "high end" girls.

3. You're right. No argument on that. Unless someone has hijacked the girl's Facebook, or has copied all of her stuff and opened a new account. Happens all the time. Facebook girls are constantly posting that someone else is using their pictures.

4. Gusto and La Isla aren't similar types of clubs. It's unlikely to happen at La Isla, because the girls usually fuck on-site. The unconscious body left in the room is going to be an issue. Gusto is a different story. All a girl needs to get in is a cedula and the cover charge, or a friend who is a bouncer. It's the ideal place to find a target. You know the guy has money and he's likely to be inexperienced. He's probably drinking and looking for a girl. Since the girls go back to your place, not only is the unconscious guy problem eliminated, they get access to computers, phones, credit cards and anything else of value.

Your closing paragraph is partially correct. Many victims were guys from Tinder who believed they were making a connection, or had chemistry. Do you see the pattern?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772940]4. It's less likely to happen with a girl at a place like gustos or la isla where they charge more but their not going to risk losing repeat business to drug someone vs meeting a girl with probably a friend at a random bar / club.[/QUOTE]Gusto's is a random bar / club. La Isla is the one where the chicks actually work at the establishment.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772944]Like I said I'm only joking, don't take anything personal. I am enjoying reading back your statements I am learning so much haha.

I have a question, if age is not a big factor why I'm I hearing from everyone that they frown upon sex tourists in Colombia?

Apparently they even have signs at restaurants in poblado mentioning they won't serve you if they suspect you are one. Obviously anyone of your age seen with a girl in her 20's at one of these establishments would turn heads. I think it's discrimination. Have you encountered this? Have you been refused service or do you avoid establishments with these signs?[/QUOTE]The "Say no to Sex Tourism" campaign is at least 6 years old. Many hotels won't allow any visitors. The last 2 Poblado apartments I've rented either specified no prostitution or had the sign. Both places also freely allowed visitors as long as they have proper ID. I've had no issues in either place, although it's just my girlfriend in this one.

I've eaten in many of the nicer restaurants in Medellin with women 30-40 years younger than me. On more than 1 occasion the girls were certainly dressed like hookers. I've never been denied service, or gotten nasty looks. Occasionally I'll get a nasty look when I'm walking alone.

There was 1 time with my old roommate. She's a tiny webcam model, often dresses a bit sexier than I'm used to, and with the right makeup and clothes could pass for 14 (she was 25 at the time). We were walking through Santa Fe mall and an old guy (like me) gave me a nasty look. Other than that, nothing. Yesterday my girlfriend's grandmother met me for the first time, she was happy to meet me.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772951]I'm just going off what others have said on this forum about centro. For the most part they report you will find fat, old, below 7-6's in el centro. So you are telling me you will find the same girls on facebook that appear to be 8's-9's? In that case why would anybody bother with facebook or spending more at places like poblado or la isla?

Same could be said for places like tijuana, if the same was true, why would anyone bother with the club girls if they look exactly the same as the girls on the street. Obviously they don't, at least iv'e never seen one on the street that looks better than any hk girl I been with. But if everyone felt that way those clubs would be out of business. So I'm genuinely asking you why bother than if there's 8's-9's in el centro as you claim unless I misunderstood you?[/QUOTE]1. Many people are extremely uncomfortable in El Centro. They see danger everywhere and can't handle being there. This is reflected in their views on El Centro. Someone just mentioned "walking around in fear. ".

2. There are many fat and ugly (IMO) women working in El Centro. It's not uncommon to walk through once and not see anything appealing. The same thing can happen at Gusto or La Isla. The best looking girls have no trouble finding customers.

3. Everyone has a different comfort zone. Many people are not comfortable with getting girls from the street. Different venues for different tastes.

4. Everyone has different tastes. Take you and Elvis. You aren't going to pick the same girls. Some guys aren't interested in 18-24 girls, they want them older. Some want big, small, dark, light, short or tall. Anyone's rating of a girl doesn't consider your tastes.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2772951]I'm just going off what others have said on this forum about centro. For the most part they report you will find fat, old, below 7-6's in el centro. So you are telling me you will find the same girls on facebook that appear to be 8's-9's? In that case why would anybody bother with facebook or spending more at places like poblado or la isla?
[/QUOTE]Because to some people setting and experience make a difference where as to others only fucking the chick makes a difference.

A perfect example is in Thailand where I had been saying for years that you can fuck all these gogo bar chicks that guys are spending $100 - $300 to fuck for $30. People said no these are the best girls and pretty much the same shit that is said here. What baffled me is that where did these guys think these "best girls" were in the daytime? Did they assume they were locked in a dungeon somewhere and only came out through a secret tunnel to go into the clubs where they worked at night? Nope. They were the same girls that you see walking around at the mall in the daytime and walking to the market in pajamas to get something to eat before work. But guys do not realize that because they are looking for glamour.

This case was finally proven during the covid shutdown when a board member that was known to go into the clubs and spend a bunch of money to get these so-called best women went on the app to look for chicks. Me, him, and another board member sat down for an evening meet up when he told the story that he later posted on the forum. The same damn chick that he had fucked from the club before for around $200 was right there on the dating app and said she would come over for $30.

The chick comes over about noon and she was not to his liking. Why? Because she had on pajamas, sneakers, and a baseball cap. Remember this is the same damn chick he had fucked before. He came to the conclusion that it was not the girl that did it for him, but it was how the girl was fixed up at the club and the partying ambiance.

Well it is the same damn thing with centro versus Gusto's. In centro the chicks are bare bones as the chick was when she came over to the board member's apartment during covid. For some mongers like me that is fine. Hell, I prefer my chicks to be bed-ready anyway. If a chick comes to my place with makeup and shit on, I make them wash the shit off before we get down to business.

You take the same centro chick and throw her in a dress, put her in make up and fix her hair, then you have dudes paying her $300 in Gusto's. Because yay we are partying and we got the flashing lights and the make-up and the drinks.

When you are in Gusto's look at the chicks' shoes and handbags and when you see those $3 shoes they are wearing and those $5 bags they are carrying, it is pretty obvious where the chicks came from. And it ain't a penthouse around the corner from Gusto's that she bought after completing her medical board exams. They are just normal ass hood chicks same as the ones downtown.

Some guys want to fuck the girl and other guys want to fuck the fantasy. Even though it is the same pussy, it just simply costs more when you want to fuck the fantasy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2772795]MTndew, I know you are arguing with JJBee and he made this dumb comment about seeking when he is never used it and now you are doing the same thing.

With seeking, the women have nothing in common outside of putting a profile up on a more socially acceptable website than a hooker site. I have seen all kinds on there from the highest of high end society to the lowest of scumbags.

What does mileage even mean? If the 18 year old Vennie is strung out and ugly and gives a shitty performance, then I would much rather see an attractive, clean, and healthy older woman who has seen a lot of guys. Truth be told, Mtndew, you and everyone else here has no fucking clue how many guys any woman has been with, and I do not know anyone who cares.

It is just part of this notion that the women I am fucking are better than you and as I said, there are no review sites where one can see objectively who the top women are. So arguing about this is an exercise in futility.[/QUOTE]I have never said anything about seeking and if your fucking strung out chicas that's on you. I don't pick up ones that do anything other than weed and alcohol. As far as mileage its pretty obvious when the girl has been in the game longer than others, at least to me it is.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2773091]Some guy hires (pays) girls for sex parties and you are asking if there is a cover? No. He pays girls for you to sex for free. Hells bells my friends do not even do that for me so why would a stranger do that for you? How much does it cost you to have 1, 2, 3, or 4 girls? The costs increase. There is going to be one hell of a cover charge or you will get robbed. Nothing is for free. Why do you not simply ask the Istagram guy? Do you have any life experience or common sense to speak of?[/QUOTE]I didn't ask if there was a cover, his instagram posts usually have the cover fee for the event in the post. I asked if anyone here has ever attended these events. Do you have any common sense to actually read a post before commenting such ignorance?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773137]1. Many people are extremely uncomfortable in El Centro. They see danger everywhere and can't handle being there. This is reflected in their views on El Centro. Someone just mentioned "walking around in fear. ".[/QUOTE]Then there are guys like me and JTK. We are indifferent to the place and walk there every hour of the clock like it is home. I have never felt the need to tiptoe around or carry a special phone there like a lot of guys recommend. This Note 20 Ultra that I use everywhere else on the planet is the same Note 20 Ultra that I use next to Vera Cruz at 3 am.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773141]Some guys want to fuck the girl and other guys want to fuck the fantasy. Even though it is the same pussy, it just simply costs more when you want to fuck the fantasy.[/QUOTE]Super post Mr E.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773141] Some guys want to fuck the girl and other guys want to fuck the fantasy. Even though it is the same pussy, it just simply costs more when you want to fuck the fantasy.[/QUOTE]I can see what you mean. But it kind of makes you wonder if that is true than why would any chick bother wasting her time in el centro making $30 when she can make $200-$300 at gustos if it's that easy for them. I guess from what I heard I was under the impression they won't just let any chick do her thing at gustos. Kind of like they just won't let any girl work at hk.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773129]Gusto's is a random bar / club. La Isla is the one where the chicks actually work at the establishment.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression the girls at gustos are mostly prepagos and it's no secret to anyone from what I've read. Someone also said they have to pay a fee to be there. So I'm not sure if that's the same as a regular club if that is true.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773141] When you are in Gusto's look at the chicks' shoes and handbags and when you see those $3 shoes they are wearing and those $5 bags they are carrying, it is pretty obvious where the chicks came from. And it ain't a penthouse around the corner from Gusto's that she bought after completing her medical board exams. They are just normal ass hood chicks same as the ones downtown. [/QUOTE]You're correct I've seen more hood looking chicks on fb than nice ones. Some are good at hiding it better than others and make themselves appear to be a high maintenance with their well maintained manicures, hair and make up. Designer clothes, hand bags, jewelry which is probably fake like you said. Some post every nice restaurant they go to and share pics of their vacations in Europe or Mexico. I've only seen a few post daily videos of their high rises in poblado, perhaps they live with a roomate or BF.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773133]The "Say no to Sex Tourism" campaign is at least 6 years old. Many hotels won't allow any visitors. The last 2 Poblado apartments I've rented either specified no prostitution or had the sign. Both places also freely allowed visitors as long as they have proper ID. I've had no issues in either place, although it's just my girlfriend in this one.

I've eaten in many of the nicer restaurants in Medellin with women 30-40 years younger than me. On more than 1 occasion the girls were certainly dressed like hookers. I've never been denied service, or gotten nasty looks. Occasionally I'll get a nasty look when I'm walking alone..[/QUOTE]Ok so maybe it's not as bad as I think. I still thinks it's tacky of them to have no sex tourists signs at their restaurants. A dress code sign should be sufficient.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773212]I can see what you mean. But it kind of makes you wonder if that is true than why would any chick bother wasting her time in el centro making $30 when she can make $200-$300 at gustos if it's that easy for them. [/QUOTE]Who said it was that easy for them? Just because you open a store, does not mean it will be flooded with customers. You may even have negative income.

Just like how casting works. A bunch of people run down to the studio hoping they will get picked to be in the show. Maybe only 2 people will get picked. People do not give up their day job down at the restaurant simply because the studio is paying actors x amount. They may not get hired so they are not counting their chickens before they hatch. I think Gusto's is like a side job for them. Any money they make there is icing on the cake; it is not the entire cake.

There is also a thing called price discrimination. Why would McDonald's open a store in the Philippines where they can only sell Big Macs for $1 when they can open a store in France where they can sell Big Macs for $5? There are McDonald's everywhere. They are not only in the places where a sandwich can be sold for $5. 2 all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun. It is sold in one place for $1 and another place for $5. Are the people buying the $5 one going around saying it is better than the $1 one?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773218]I was under the impression the girls at gustos are mostly prepagos and it's no secret to anyone from what I've read. Someone also said they have to pay a fee to be there. So I'm not sure if that's the same as a regular club if that is true.[/QUOTE]Yes they are prepagos. Prepagos just means hookers. Maybe they do have to pay to be there because as I am saying it is just a regular bar. Anyone can enter or not enter on any day they please as long as they pay the cover charge. So if you get drugged by one of those chicks there is nothing the bar can do about it. The girls do not work for the bar. The girls are customers of the bar the same as the guys are.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773179]Then there are guys like me and JTK. We are indifferent to the place and walk there every hour of the clock like it is home. I have never felt the need to tiptoe around or carry a special phone there like a lot of guys recommend. This Note 20 Ultra that I use everywhere else on the planet is the same Note 20 Ultra that I use next to Vera Cruz at 3 am.[/QUOTE]That is a simplified view because you have not described your behavior or do you take any precaution. At least for someone who does not speak the language or know the area will have different behavior than you. Like your brother, after his gold chain was robbed in Rio, would he do the same thing again?

Someone on bicycle almost snatched my work phone in Sao Paulo. I don't use protective cover so my phone slipped to the ground and was not robbed. I am in Centro frequently to have fried chicken and they come out after 8 PM. LOL. I don't stay in El Centro, and I walked to it day or night. This robbery attempt happened in broad daylight with many people around.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773212]I can see what you mean. But it kind of makes you wonder if that is true than why would any chick bother wasting her time in el centro making $30 when she can make $200-$300 at gustos if it's that easy for them. I guess from what I heard I was under the impression they won't just let any chick do her thing at gustos. Kind of like they just won't let any girl work at hk.[/QUOTE]Different locations target different customers and offer different service levels. Not all girls can make the same amount of money at the same location. That is something you are missing.

I think La Isla has the best looking girls on average but they provide limited service because most of their customers don't demand it. You can read the reports to find out. The same La Isla from two years ago is different from the La Isla now. You need to know the difference when reading posts from different time.


[B]El Centro [/B][INDENT]40 mil plus room for 30 minutes for what I think a better looking girl if you don't negotiate
Kissing, BBBJ is not default the first time.
You go to them
WYSIWYG
[/INDENT].

[B]Facebook[/B][INDENT]200 mil plus taxi for 2 hours if you are methodical like MoonShot (read his posts).
Kissing, BBBJ is default the first time.
They come to you.
not WYSIWYG [/INDENT].

[B]SugarBaby site[/B][INDENT]I think MB1 is saying it is no more than 500 mil for all night.
Kissing, BBBJ is default
They come to you.
not WYSIWYG
[/INDENT].

The above is not to say they are all that different. El Centro mongers will have dates similar to FB and SA mongers once they know the girls well. So the end result may not be all that different for some.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773234]Ok so maybe it's not as bad as I think. I still thinks it's tacky of them to have no sex tourists signs at their restaurants. A dress code sign should be sufficient.[/QUOTE]You can't generalize everything. A restaurant can have a female owner, and she might place the sign so you don't miss it. As a foreign guest, what would you do even if you don't know the owner is a female? Of course they will still take your money. I went to a Michelin star restaurant in shorts two nights ago and I was treated no different than when I wore jean. Not saying it is common or it is ok, from time to time, I forgot until when I was already near and I have never been turned away or treated differently in Latin America.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773229]You're correct I've seen more hood looking chicks on fb than nice ones. Some are good at hiding it better than others and make themselves appear to be a high maintenance with their well maintained manicures, hair and make up. Designer clothes, hand bags, jewelry which is probably fake like you said. Some post every nice restaurant they go to and share pics of their vacations in Europe or Mexico. I've only seen a few post daily videos of their high rises in poblado, perhaps they live with a roomate or BF.[/QUOTE]Ummm. You do realize those "vacations in Europe or Mexico" usually aren't vacations? There are pimps who get girls and send them to Mexico, Panama and elsewhere to work. A few of the girls on Facebook have modeling jobs and often work in Europe.

Also most of those posts from high-rise apartments are taken when they visit a customer. Same with all the elevator pics. If you stay in a nice place most girls will want to take pictures.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2773297]That is a simplified view because you have not described your behavior or do you take any precaution.[/QUOTE]Of course I have my habits. They are all second nature to me. I walk around with my hands in my pockets and when using my phone hold it as in the picture. After my police officer brother got his chain snatched in Rio, he got his phone snatched in Lima. And that time he was with my Marine cousin and another cousin. SMDH! Both times he got something snatched he was looking at the GPS on his phone trying to figure out which way to go.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773141]

Well it is the same damn thing with centro versus Gusto's. In centro the chicks are bare bones as the chick was when she came over to the board member's apartment during covid. For some mongers like me that is fine. Hell, I prefer my chicks to be bed-ready anyway. If a chick comes to my place with makeup and shit on, I make them wash the shit off before we get down to business.

You take the same centro chick and throw her in a dress, put her in make up and fix her hair, then you have dudes paying her $300 in Gusto's. Because yay we are partying and we got the flashing lights and the make-up and the drinks.

When you are in Gusto's look at the chicks' shoes and handbags and when you see those $3 shoes they are wearing and those $5 bags they are carrying, it is pretty obvious where the chicks came from. And it ain't a penthouse around the corner from Gusto's that she bought after completing her medical board exams. They are just normal ass hood chicks same as the ones downtown.

Some guys want to fuck the girl and other guys want to fuck the fantasy. Even though it is the same pussy, it just simply costs more when you want to fuck the fantasy.[/QUOTE]Not all of the chicks working Gustos or La Isla, or FB / Seeking are ass hood chicks. You can't generalize. Medellin is not a small city, and it has nicer neighborhoods too, and I'm not talking about Poblado only, but Laureles, Belen, Envigado, Las Palmas, Itagui, etc. And guess what? Chicks live there too. Some of them come from middle class families, some are educated or currently in college, some got normal jobs other than selling pussy. These chics won't sell pussy for $30, but would do it for $200-300. And you won't find them working the streets or cheap casas.

Also, girls that come from nicer neighborhoods, or not dead broke like some El Centro chicks, can afford to take better care of themselves, eat healthier, workout in a gym, cosmetology, etc, usually they stay away from drugs or excessive alcohol. I'm not a centro rat, and don't spend there days and nights, but I haven't seen a single chick that is a fitness model type, but I did see them in Poblado, Laureles, etc. Typical el centro chick is either skinny as fuck, or fat, some have many shitty tattoos, on top of that, have little to zero education or basic English. Of course, gems could be found everywhere, but usually you get what you pay for.

I'm not saying one should spend 200-300 bucks per session, of course not. And yes, we all know some El centro chicks work Lleras at night, and overcharge gringos. It makes no sense to pay gringo rates when they can be had for 30-50 mil cop. What I'm saying is there are also chicks who don't sell pussy for living, have normal jobs or studying and much better/healthier looking than your typical el centro SW.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2773355]Not all of the chicks working Gustos or La Isla, or FB / Seeking are ass hood chicks. You can't generalize. [/QUOTE]Nobody is saying ALL. And you can generalize because most of them are! If I say snakes bite you are not going to say not all; You can't generalize them. No all snakes don't bite. But are you going to stick your hand in a snake pit? No. Because IN GENERAL a snake will bite the shit out of you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2773355]Not all of the chicks working Gustos or La Isla, or FB / Seeking are ass hood chicks. You can't generalize. Medellin is not a small city, and it has nicer neighborhoods too, and I'm not talking about Poblado only, but Laureles, Belen, Envigado, Las Palmas, Itagui, etc. And guess what? Chicks live there too. Some of them come from middle class families, some are educated or currently in college, some got normal jobs other than selling pussy. These chics won't sell pussy for $30, but would do it for $200-300. And you won't find them working the streets or cheap casas.

Also, girls that come from nicer neighborhoods, or not dead broke like some El Centro chicks, can afford to take better care of themselves, eat healthier, workout in a gym, cosmetology, etc, usually they stay away from drugs or excessive alcohol. I'm not a centro rat, and don't spend there days and nights, but I haven't seen a single chick that is a fitness model type, but I did see them in Poblado, Laureles, etc. Typical el centro chick is either skinny as fuck, or fat, some have many shitty tattoos, on top of that, have little to zero education or basic English. Of course, gems could be found everywhere, but usually you get what you pay for.

I'm not saying one should spend 200-300 bucks per session, of course not. And yes, we all know some El centro chicks work Lleras at night, and overcharge gringos. It makes no sense to pay gringo rates when they can be had for 30-50 mil cop. What I'm saying is there are also chicks who don't sell pussy for living, have normal jobs or studying and much better/healthier looking than your typical el centro SW.[/QUOTE]See what you said actually makes sense to me. Everyone here is basically saying every girl in Colombia is broke or desperate to sell pussy and are most likely all good or grew up hood. From what you said and the videos I've seen about el centro I think I would most likely agree with you after seeing it for myself. I don't believe some of the girls I been contacting would waste their time in El centro or find similar looking good looking, young, fit, well kept, high maintenance looking girls there. Like you said not all of them have to sell themselves cheap. If only desperate poor women were selling pussy we wouldn't have any middle or upper class women selling pussy here in the states.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773326] Also most of those posts from high-rise apartments are taken when they visit a customer. Same with all the elevator pics. If you stay in a nice place most girls will want to take pictures.[/QUOTE]While you are partially correct, I have seen a couple who have pics and videos on vacation with their kids, same with the ones who post pics of what I assume is their home because you can see their kids and Pets in the back ground. So unless pimps and clients are paying for their kids to come along than you are partially correct.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773293] Are the people buying the $5 one going around saying it is better than the $1 one?[/QUOTE]Haha, now your not being fair Mr E. Facts and logic don't count.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2773303]Different locations target different customers and offer different service levels. Not all girls can make the same amount of money at the same location. That is something you are missing.

I think La Isla has the best looking girls on average but they provide limited service because most of their customers don't demand it. You can read the reports to find out. The same La Isla from two years ago is different from the La Isla now. You need to know the difference when reading posts from different time.


[B]El Centro [/B][INDENT]40 mil plus room for 30 minutes for what I think a better looking girl if you don't negotiate
Kissing, BBBJ is not default the first time.
You go to them
WYSIWYG
[/INDENT].

[B]Facebook[/B][INDENT]200 mil plus taxi for 2 hours if you are methodical like MoonShot (read his posts).
Kissing, BBBJ is default the first time.
They come to you.
not WYSIWYG [/INDENT].

[B]SugarBaby site[/B][INDENT]I think MB1 is saying it is no more than 500 mil for all night.
Kissing, BBBJ is default
They come to you.
not WYSIWYG
[/INDENT].

The above is not to say they are all that different. El Centro mongers will have dates similar to FB and SA mongers once they know the girls well. So the end result may not be all that different for some.[/QUOTE]Yes it all varies, all have different prices. I currently have one right now quoting me as high as $100 for 3 hrs or $200 all night. Yes she used dollars and hrs before I even said anything. I'm guessing she just went based off my profile pics and decided to shoot high. But even $100 to me is worth it for her because so far she's the prettiest I've seen out of the 100 or so Facebook profiles I've come across so far. She seems very sweet, GFE and catering like others have mentioned is the best thing they love about Colombian women. I only been with 1 in the states and I can confirm she was very GFE. This girl already wants me to see her every day and take her with me on excursions LOL. I'm trying to see at least 1 or 2 different girls every night LOL. I might take her up on a 2nd date if she lives up to the hype.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773432]Yes it all varies, all have different prices. I currently have one right now quoting me as high as $100 for 3 hrs or $200 all night. Yes she used dollars and hrs before I even said anything. I'm guessing she just went based off my profile pics and decided to shoot high. But even $100 to me is worth it for her because so far she's the prettiest I've seen out of the 100 or so Facebook profiles I've come across so far. She seems very sweet, GFE and catering like others have mentioned is the best thing they love about Colombian women. I only been with 1 in the states and I can confirm she was very GFE. This girl already wants me to see her every day and take her with me on excursions LOL. I'm trying to see at least 1 or 2 different girls every night LOL. I might take her up on a 2nd date if she lives up to the hype.[/QUOTE]P. T. Barnum would be pleased. There truly is a sucker born every minute.

Anyone quoting in dollars specifically seeks out foolish gringos, because they know they can play them. And you just proved my point because you just said she's worth it, and you don't even know if it's a girl, or a guy reeling in gringos. Your description is almost word for word what other guys have reported of girls who turned out to be much less than advertised.

On a side note. Until you're physically in Colombia, any quoted prices, agreed services or established dates are not guaranteed. I would explain how these sort of things often go terribly wrong, but I'm sure you already know all of that.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773432]I currently have one right now quoting me as high as $100 for 3 hrs or $200 all night. Yes she used dollars and hrs before I even said anything. This girl already wants me to see her every day and take her with me on excursions LOL.[/QUOTE]No shit. What Colombian hooker wants to go work only one day if the guy is paying a guaranteed $200 per day? Hmm. A sure 1 million pesos, or sit home for zero. Why would she not try to lock you in?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773585]P. T. Barnum would be pleased. There truly is a sucker born every minute.

Anyone quoting in dollars specifically seeks out foolish gringos, because they know they can play them. And you just proved my point because you just said she's worth it, and you don't even know if it's a girl, or a guy reeling in gringos. Your description is almost word for word what other guys have reported of girls who turned out to be much less than advertised.

On a side note. Until you're physically in Colombia, any quoted prices, agreed services or established dates are not guaranteed. I would explain how these sort of things often go terribly wrong, but I'm sure you already know all of that.[/QUOTE]Maybe you're not understanding correctly. Let me clarify it better for you, I haven't met her yet. I haven't fucked her yet. But so far, from pictures and videos I've seen from her, if she is a beautiful in personas she is online (100's of pics, videos, stories, friends and family, so I would be really surprised if she was fake.) I would gladly agree to to her price because to me (not anyone else) would be worth it. I'm not paying her upfront. We agreed we would meet for lunch or dinner and after getting to know her (physically see her as well) then I would decide if she's (worth it) to take back to my Airbnb. Do you understand that better now?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773585]P. T. Barnum would be pleased. There truly is a sucker born every minute.

Anyone quoting in dollars specifically seeks out foolish gringos, because they know they can play them. And you just proved my point because you just said she's worth it, and you don't even know if it's a girl, or a guy reeling in gringos.[/QUOTE]Or maybe she's not in pre school and can read my profile that I'm from estados unidos, can see I'm a spender from all my travel photos and knows it will be my first time in Colombian. I mean if I was girl talking to an American why the fuck would I be quoting pesos instead of dollars unless I was just that desperate and sell myself short.

Like Miami boy said not every girl is so desperate to sell themselves cheap.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773649]Or maybe she's not in pre school and can read my profile that I'm from estados unidos, can see I'm a spender from all my travel photos and knows it will be my first time in Colombian. I mean if I was girl talking to an American why the fuck would I be quoting pesos instead of dollars[/QUOTE]Quoting in dollars = long time experienced gold digging puta. You can spin some other reasons but that is reality. Yeah, she read your profile and is licking her chops. But overpayers need love too, and maybe she will be really good at faking it.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773649]Or maybe she's not in pre school and can read my profile that I'm from estados unidos, can see I'm a spender from all my travel photos and knows it will be my first time in Colombian. I mean if I was girl talking to an American why the fuck would I be quoting pesos instead of dollars unless I was just that desperate and sell myself short.

Like Miami boy said not every girl is so desperate to sell themselves cheap.[/QUOTE]I have to tell you, Anthony2023. I am really impressed with your posts. You obviously know more than all the fellows here that have visited so many times they can't count them and others of us that have lived here for years. I'm surprised you spend so much time posting, since you clearly know everything already, even though you've never been to Colombia before.

For the others who don't know everything, let me mention a few of your glaringly ignorant ideas.

1. Girls [B]do not[/B] talk about price in Dollars or Euros or Reals or Pounds. They tell you what they want in Colombian Pesos. One well-known exception is Gusto's where the girls are there to grab the new visitors who haven't learned how things work yet. They will quote you a price in Dollars. If you deal with them or someone else in Dollars you will be taken advantage of.

2. If you think your 2 years of Spanish in high school makes you fluent, you're wrong. If you think you're fluent in Colombian Spanish because you grew up in a Latino community. You're wrong.

Colombian Spanish is distinctly different than Mexican Spanish, Cuban Spanish, Costa Rican Spanish, Argentinian Spanish etc etc. Not only that, Medellin has its own "dichos" that will not make sense to you and won't translate on your Google translator. Your accent will stick out. Doesn't mean you can't communicate, just understand this: [B]No one[/B] will think you are Colombian.

Here is a silly but true example. I met a couple of gentlemen from South Carolina the other day. We spoke for a bit. I could hardly understand anything they said. Their accent is so different from other parts of the country that it was a real challenge to understand. Same would be true for some people from Boston or Brooklyn.

3. If you think you're young and Latino and the girls are going to relate to you. You're delusional. A significant portion of the women in Colombia have their children in their mid to late teens. They live at home with their parents. Where is the father? He split the minute he heard she was pregnant. That is a very common story in Colombia. So why are they posting on FaceBook or other sites? Their parents tell them to earn some money to support the household. Minimum wage here is about 1 million COP monthly. Roughly the equivalent of $220. Rent, services, food, diapers. 1 million pesos doesn't get it done. They are thrilled to see some older ugly gringo that gives them 200 mil or 250 mil. They aren't trying to relate to you they are trying to relate to your wallet.

4. You might think you are going to find the most beautiful women in Colombia (and there a lot of them) and they are going to be so impressed that they are going to want to date you on your two week vacation (or whatever it is). Do you think those girls who are well educated and / or have jobs are going to want to date some foreigner who is visiting for a few weeks? If they are that exceptional in the looks department don't you think they already have a boyfriend? Do you think for a second that they don't have 2 or 3 other male friends who are waiting in line for the breakup?

Seriously dude, get over yourself. Also, parents want their daughters to date successful, educated accomplished men. Why? Because they will be good providers and aren't as likely to run and hide if they knock-up their little princess. You know what the mothers tell their daughters? "It is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is a poor man. ".

5. Don't for one second think you understand paisas. You don't. If you seriously think what works for you in the US will work here, well, I think you'll be surprised. Hopefully you read some of the posts on being careful, not drawing attention to yourself, being extremely careful with your drinks (or better yet not drinking) in your room when you have company. Not wearing jewelry or designer wear out on the streets. Not pulling your cell-phone out of your pocket every time it buzzes. Etc etc. But then, you already know everything so it was just for the benefit of those others who seriously want to have a good time and not have their vacation ruined because of carelessness or arrogance.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2773648]Maybe you're not understanding correctly. Let me clarify it better for you, I haven't met her yet. I haven't fucked her yet. But so far, from pictures and videos I've seen from her, if she is a beautiful in personas she is online (100's of pics, videos, stories, friends and family, so I would be really surprised if she was fake.) I would gladly agree to to her price because to me (not anyone else) would be worth it. I'm not paying her upfront. We agreed we would meet for lunch or dinner and after getting to know her (physically see her as well) then I would decide if she's (worth it) to take back to my Airbnb. Do you understand that better now?[/QUOTE]I understood it perfectly the first time. I've seen the exact same thing 50 times before. I've also seen how it turns out 50 times before.

But I'm sure you'll be the exception.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773759]I understood it perfectly the first time. I've seen the exact same thing 50 times before. I've also seen how it turns out 50 times before.

But I'm sure you'll be the exception.[/QUOTE]What's the point of even challenging it. If it works out cool if not who cares. There is plenty of options.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2773675]I have to tell you, Anthony2023. I am really impressed with your posts. You obviously know more than all the fellows here that have visited so many times they can't count them and others of us that have lived here for years. I'm surprised you spend so much time posting, since you clearly know everything already, even though you've never been to Colombia before.

For the others who don't know everything, let me mention a few of your glaringly ignorant ideas.

1. Girls [B]do not[/B] talk about price in Dollars or Euros or Reals or Pounds. They tell you what they want in Colombian Pesos. One well-known exception is Gusto's where the girls are there to grab the new visitors who haven't learned how things work yet. They will quote you a price in Dollars. If you deal with them or someone else in Dollars you will be taken advantage of.

2. If you think your 2 years of Spanish in high school makes you fluent, you're wrong. If you think you're fluent in Colombian Spanish because you grew up in a Latino community. You're wrong.

Colombian Spanish is distinctly different than Mexican Spanish, Cuban Spanish, Costa Rican Spanish, Argentinian Spanish etc etc. Not only that, Medellin has its own "dichos" that will not make sense to you and won't translate on your Google translator. Your accent will stick out. Doesn't mean you can't communicate, just understand this: [B]No one[/B] will think you are Colombian.

Here is a silly but true example. I met a couple of gentlemen from South Carolina the other day. We spoke for a bit. I could hardly understand anything they said. Their accent is so different from other parts of the country that it was a real challenge to understand. Same would be true for some people from Boston or Brooklyn.

3. If you think you're young and Latino and the girls are going to relate to you. You're delusional. A significant portion of the women in Colombia have their children in their mid to late teens. They live at home with their parents. Where is the father? He split the minute he heard she was pregnant. That is a very common story in Colombia. So why are they posting on FaceBook or other sites? Their parents tell them to earn some money to support the household. Minimum wage here is about 1 million COP monthly. Roughly the equivalent of $220. Rent, services, food, diapers. 1 million pesos doesn't get it done. They are thrilled to see some older ugly gringo that gives them 200 mil or 250 mil. They aren't trying to relate to you they are trying to relate to your wallet.

4. You might think you are going to find the most beautiful women in Colombia (and there a lot of them) and they are going to be so impressed that they are going to want to date you on your two week vacation (or whatever it is). Do you think those girls who are well educated and / or have jobs are going to want to date some foreigner who is visiting for a few weeks? If they are that exceptional in the looks department don't you think they already have a boyfriend? Do you think for a second that they don't have 2 or 3 other male friends who are waiting in line for the breakup?

Seriously dude, get over yourself. Also, parents want their daughters to date successful, educated accomplished men. Why? Because they will be good providers and aren't as likely to run and hide if they knock-up their little princess. You know what the mothers tell their daughters? "It is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is a poor man. ".

5. Don't for one second think you understand paisas. You don't. If you seriously think what works for you in the US will work here, well, I think you'll be surprised. Hopefully you read some of the posts on being careful, not drawing attention to yourself, being extremely careful with your drinks (or better yet not drinking) in your room when you have company. Not wearing jewelry or designer wear out on the streets. Not pulling your cell-phone out of your pocket every time it buzzes. Etc etc. But then, you already know everything so it was just for the benefit of those others who seriously want to have a good time and not have their vacation ruined because of carelessness or arrogance.[/QUOTE]Thank's for the advice I suppose, although nothing you said is news to me, trust me iv'e done plenty of research and watched several videos of visitors, not to mention I been reading posts here. Like I said I appreciate the advice but it's been repeated here several times. But someone new might come across it so that's good. Oh and I never said I expect people to think I'm colombian? I am well aware there are different types of spanish. I started learning spanish when I was a year old so I think I'll be ok. Well I'll just have to see how it goes, I have several great looking fb girls lined up already to go on dates that have been messaging me everyday for the past few weeks, even tho they know I'm not arriving till mid next month, so that shows some interest to me. Either way I don't care if any flake on me or if I have to cancel, because I want to see what else is out there besides facebook.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2773662]Quoting in dollars = long time experienced gold digging puta. You can spin some other reasons but that is reality. Yeah, she read your profile and is licking her chops. But overpayers need love too, and maybe she will be really good at faking it.[/QUOTE]Well I don't mind that all because that's kind of what I want. Gold diggers usually take care of themselves better because well they have the money to do so. Like I said if I was a working girl in Colombia and talking to a guy on instagram that's from the usa and he tells me its his first time, why the fuck would I talking pesos instead of dollars? Unless I was a dumb ***** that sells herself short. I would think she's stupid. So I was not surprised. Now if I was talking to girl on IG that looks like 5-6, fat or old, nasty looking. If she was talking pesos I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I prefer top of the line but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2773675]

5. Don't for one second think you understand paisas. You don't. If you seriously think what works for you in the US will work here, [/QUOTE]Hmm I guess you know more about me than I do myself. I guess some of my friends I talk to (in "paisa" spanish) and (yes understand well to) on a daily basis are in fact not from Colombia? LOL smh.

Not sure if you knew but we have colombians here in the states too. At least in my city we do.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774028]if I was a working girl in Colombia and talking to a guy on instagram that's from the usa and he tells me its his first time, why the fuck would I talking pesos instead of dollars? [/QUOTE]Bcos the currency in Colombia is pesos and you cannot use USD here. I know many USAns like to think that the American continent belongs to them, but really it doesn't. The only use for USD that a Colombian might have for USD is if they were some guy running a fake FB account using pictures of Colombian chicas in order to screw naive visitors out of their money.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774028]Like I said if I was a working girl in Colombia and talking to a guy on instagram that's from the usa and he tells me its his first time, why the fuck would I talking pesos instead of dollars? [/QUOTE]Because she lives in Colombia where US Dollars are not legal tender, but Colombian Pesos are. So if a hooker in London is talking to a guy in Colombia, she should give him the price in Colombian Pesos?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2773675]5. Don't for one second think you understand paisas. You don't. If you seriously think what works for you in the US will work here, well, I think you'll be surprised. Hopefully you read some of the posts on being careful, [/QUOTE]Reminds me of that cat Dublin that was posting in the Cartagena thread maybe over 1 year ago. Could not tell that guy anything. Although he had never been to Colombia he swore he had it all figured out. Got there with his western logic and mindset and was run up out of Colombia sad and disappointed. A hard head makes a soft ass.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2774141]Because she lives in Colombia where US Dollars are not legal tender, but Colombian Pesos are. So if a hooker in London is talking to a guy in Colombia, she should give him the price in Colombian Pesos?[/QUOTE]See'Mon. Dude don't state the obvious. Some of these girls actually use their brain you know.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2774137]Bcos the currency in Colombia is pesos and you cannot use USD here. I know many USAns like to think that the American continent belongs to them, but really it doesn't. The only use for USD that a Colombian might have for USD is if they were some guy running a fake FB account using pictures of Colombian chicas in order to screw naive visitors out of their money.[/QUOTE]So they can't go to a currency exchange. Ok got it Smh.

I have a question for you, since we have some experts here. I've come across a couple girls who have selfies with US currency inside their see thru phone covers. Can you tell me if there's any meaning behind that? Because according to you guys these girls are gold diggers if they are quoting dollars. Is there a connection there, are they trying to tell us that because I find it odd many do this, like if it's some kind of trend perhaps.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774219]So they can't go to a currency exchange. Ok got it Smh.[/QUOTE]Sure they can, but why would they want to give an exch office 5-10% of their earnings? Why not just bill in the local currency? Makes no sense whatsoever. Even a glue sniffing street urchin could figure that one out.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774220]I have a question for you, since we have some experts here. I've come across a couple girls who have selfies with US currency inside their see thru phone covers. Can you tell me if there's any meaning behind that? .[/QUOTE]Sometimes a gringo toursit will give them a tip, but they don't have enough pesos, or for whatever reason they want to give them a souvenir of the US. The girl will save the USA bcos they generally have no use for them and they don't want to give their value away in exch centres. Thats my experience of the situation.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774219]So they can't go to a currency exchange. Ok got it Smh.[/QUOTE]BTW. There are some exceptions. These are girls who can use USD. For example, some Venezuelans will want or accept USD bcos that is now the most accepted stable currency in Venezuela. They prefer USD if they are going home bcos then they can buy the bus ticket at the border, they can use the money in the own country, knowing that it won't lose value within one week. But this is not the case for Colombians living in Colombia.

Why is your superior skills at working this magical chemistry of yours not working at all on this site?

You have not figured out yet that many of these guys started 10,20, 30 years ago when they were 40,30, and some 20 years old and thus know what it was like in Colombia during the drug years, then before the Venies came over the border, and now with Venies everywhere?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774220]I have a question for you, since we have some experts here. I've come across a couple girls who have selfies with US currency inside their see thru phone covers. Can you tell me if there's any meaning behind that?[/QUOTE]Because having a $1 bill in the phone case is supposed to be good luck. Several of my normal chicks have asked me for one when we have been together. And I tell them the same thing you should be telling those chicks I am in Colombia. Why would I have dollars? I have pesos and a credit card.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2774315]Because having a $1 bill in the phone case is supposed to be good luck. Several of my normal chicks have asked me for one when we have been together. And I tell them the same thing you should be telling those chicks I am in Colombia. Why would I have dollars? I have pesos and a credit card.[/QUOTE]That's interesting, I thought maybe it was a hint to let others know she does play for pay. $1 is good luck huh, I've seen a couple with $5 and at least a few with $100 bill. Guess she doesn't care about the risks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2774315] I tell them the same thing you should be telling those chicks I am in Colombia. Why would I have dollars? I have pesos and a credit card.[/QUOTE]You got that half right. I tell them I have pesos. What's a credit card?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774555]That's interesting, I thought maybe it was a hint to let others know she does play for pay. $1 is good luck huh, I've seen a couple with $5 and at least a few with $100 bill. Guess she doesn't care about the risks.[/QUOTE]You can buy the cases for a few thousand pesos all over El Centro. Or maybe girls, who have almost all had at least one phone stolen, are willing to risk losing most of their monthly rent by putting it in the most likely thing to be stolen.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2774740]You got that half right. I tell them I have pesos. What's a credit card?[/QUOTE]LOL. Only time that I use pesos is when I am paying a hooker, taxi, or Indriver. Everything else I use a credit card.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774555]That's interesting, I thought maybe it was a hint to let others know she does play for pay. $1 is good luck huh, I've seen a couple with $5 and at least a few with $100 bill. Guess she doesn't care about the risks.[/QUOTE]You are kind of broadcasting your ignorance. Sure there are girls who have photos on FaceBook fanning their US currency. Does that contradict what several people with real world experience have been telling you? Not in the slightest.

Maybe she works at Gusto's. There, the girls eagerly seek out new know-it-all vacationers who pay them in $US dollars (more precisely, overpay them dramatically in US dollars). Or perhaps they just got back from a working vacation in Panama or Ecuador. You are aware (silly me. You know everything) that the US Dollar is the fiat currency in Panama and Ecuador. Or perhaps they just got back from a working vacation in Cancun, Mexico or Cartagena and were paid by their American companion in US Dollars.

I'm sure there are other possibilities too. But when all is said and done. Girls in Medellin will expect payment in Colombian Pesos. That is what they use to pay their bills. If you are having conversations with girls and the payment discussion is in US dollars. Look out. An experienced hombre here, would know something is very strange. And to borrow a phrase used a lot in poker.

"If you don't know who the sucker is at the table, it's probably [B]you[/B].

[QUOTE=Villainy;2774785]You are kind of broadcasting your ignorance. Sure there are girls who have photos on FaceBook fanning their US currency. Does that contradict what several people with real world experience have been telling you? Not in the slightest.

Maybe she works at Gusto's. There, the girls eagerly seek out new know-it-all vacationers who pay them in $US dollars (more precisely, overpay them dramatically in US dollars). Or perhaps they just got back from a working vacation in Panama or Ecuador. You are aware (silly me. You know everything) that the US Dollar is the fiat currency in Panama and Ecuador. Or perhaps they just got back from a working vacation in Cancun, Mexico or Cartagena and were paid by their American companion in US Dollars.

I'm sure there are other possibilities too. But when all is said and done. Girls in Medellin will expect payment in Colombian Pesos. That is what they use to pay their bills. If you are having conversations with girls and the payment discussion is in US dollars. Look out. An experienced hombre here, would know something is very strange. And to borrow a phrase used a lot in poker.

"If you don't know who the sucker is at the table, it's probably [B]you[/B].[/QUOTE]You guys sure like to act like smart asses don't you.

1. It was just a question out of curiosity.

2. Stating the obvious doesn't help.

As far as a girl talking dollars. Again I haven't even landed in Colombia, when I do land and I finally talk to her in person, than and only than if I decide to have fun with her, I will remind her that I am only carrying with me pesos. Which is obvious. Since you know. I wonder how many of you actually use your brain before commenting instead of just making assumptions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2774783]LOL. Only time that I use pesos is when I am paying a hooker, taxi, or Indriver. Everything else I use a credit card.[/QUOTE]So I'm guessing you haven't had any issues with paying with card.

I'm not sure about using a card at any restaurants or bars in Colombia. I always heard not to use cards in mexico.

I don't even like using cards at bars in the states.

I recently stumbled onto this interesting piece. Thought I would post it since there was some discussion here about this very topic:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J3Y1PBcxD4[/URL]

But take note of the one and only comment. The translation is, "While I agree with the message, I bet 99% of the customers in any brothel at anytime here in Colombia are Colombians. Sexual tourism is bad, but the sex industry existed before, and it doesn't exist today based on tourists". Now isn't that [B]word[/B]? Prostitution is deeply embedded within Colombian society, it was there long before sexual tourism became a "thing", and it's not going anywhere. Sexual tourism or not. So they can try to block the sex tourists from partaking, but then what are the going to do? Pray tell will things really be any better since the principle clients (that would be Colombian men) will keep right on engaging in prostitution with Colombian tutes just like they always have? I don't think so. Not at all! Just more useless hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2774880]You guys sure like to act like smart asses don't you.

1. It was just a question out of curiosity.

2. Stating the obvious doesn't help.

As far as a girl talking dollars. Again I haven't even landed in Colombia, when I do land and I finally talk to her in person, than and only than if I decide to have fun with her, I will remind her that I am only carrying with me pesos. Which is obvious. Since you know. I wonder how many of you actually use your brain before commenting instead of just making assumptions.[/QUOTE]I'm really here for point #2, but first, your closing paragraph.

If you're out with a girl you just met and she's constantly scratching at her crotch, like a dog with fleas, you might think that's not somewhere you want to stick your junk. It's an obvious sign. You end the date and go take a shower. If you're just chatting with a girl and she keeps asking questions like "do you carry around a lot of cash", or "will you wear all your jewelry and best watch when we meet", you might figure you're being set up to be robbed. Those are signals anyone would recognize. So crying after you get crabs and get ripped off for $20,000 won't get you much sympathy.

People with experience in Medellin recognize signs that others won't see. For example, if you're talking to a girl and you think you've agreed on a date the next day, she's not going to show, because she gave you a Colombian "no. " Colombians have a strong aversion to direct contradiction. When asked a question, they will seldom tell you "no. " Instead they'll give an ambiguous "yes", like "okay, message me in the morning. " Guess who won't be responding to your messages for a few days (when she'll have an excuse)?

That one is across everything. If you're negotiating a huge contract for a multinational corporation, you can spend months trying to get the meetings that you thought had already been agreed upon.

One which is limited to mongering is when a girl asks for payment in dollars. Colombians don't think in dollars. Very few of the girls will know the exchange rate, or do the math. You can easily prove that by asking her how much in pesos. She'll likely come back with a number 20-35% off of the exchange rate (either way).

So they aren't being "smart", or recognizing their own value. They're following a script. You would immediately recognize the script if you had encountered it before, or if she mentioned "your vehicle's extended warranty. " However, you're trying to apply your logic to Colombians, which is like trying to put gloves on a snake.

Now to #2, Stating the obvious. Stating the obvious is quite important, because what you think is obvious doesn't necessarily apply in other countries or other situations.

Here's an obvious example. If a girl tells you she wants to bring a friend, so you can enjoy both, many people believe they're going to have a threesome. However, whereas a threesome is a battle Royale free for all, with everyone involved with everyone, that's not what will happen. What will usually happen is you'll have a 2 on 1 tag team match. While 1 girl is with you, the other will be out of reach, completely uninvolved and uninterested. Then they'll switch. Usually the result is you'll have a session which wasn't worth the price you paid for 1 girl, and you had to pay double.

Don't assume you know the obvious. Ask questions and pay attention to the answers, especially the answers which you think are wrong.

Hey All,

Will be in MDE for the first time from 1/2 - 1/13 and working remotely. Are there any groups here or on whatsup for fellow gringos in the city to get to know each other?

I did Cartagena completely solo and wish I had put the effort into getting to know some fellow members.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773121]
Almost nobody on this board obsesses over whether their girls are 9's or 10's.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there are very few guys who act like they are worthy of 9's and 10's here.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773121]While many will throw out numbers, most write more about the service. For most, that's the final piece which determines their satisfaction. Almost everyone is limiting their experiences to women they find attractive. Based on their reports, given a choice of repeating with the more attractive girl with bad service, or the less attractive girl with exceptional service, they'll take the service.[/QUOTE]So 9's and 10's cannot provide good service. And you would know that how?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773121]The part that bothers me the most is where you repeat the same thing as a few others, like MB. You assume that everyone else, with few exceptions, is only seeing fat and ugly girls. However, also with few exceptions, you have no clue who everyone is fucking or what they look like.[/QUOTE]Well, you said you are not going after 9's and 10's. You said no guys here can date Colombian elite. You were too dumb to pick out a Colombian beauty queen from a girl winning a wet t-shirt contest. Your crew has said that all the women in Colombian available to foreign guys are from a few neighborhoods, and you all brag about hanging around centro and we all know what is there, and very few of you produce any pics. The one time you did I said your gal was cute, but the rest of them? What are we supposed to think?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773121]It's just one of those silly, unnecessary judgemental things which obliterates any worthwhile contributions.[/QUOTE]Well then put up your pics and let us see. I am amazed at how many of the guys claiming other guys overpaid never show photos of their women. Hell, we got guys putting up pics of models and Miss Colombia and other guys are saying they are 5's and 7's. Again, where are their 10's?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2773121]I admit to being curious about the replacement you finally found in Mexico city, since you've reported finding the perfect replacement several times on here. Wasn't the most recent one in Cartagena?

It's not important. As long as you're happy.[/QUOTE]And here you go again. In what world do you think you are the equal of everyone here? My gal got pregnant and pulled herself up by her boot straps. She got a government job, worked out 3 hours a day, and has been an amazing mother with a child with a bright future. She is in her early 30's and done more with her life than you have. Sad to say, but I think neither she nor her daughter wants an underachieving truck driver as her male role model, and that was what was important to her. Can you believe that? Yeah, she was not just straight up about cash or looks. I can see why dumb asses like you and your crew think a woman like that cannot exist.

And MB is right about better chemistry meaning better sex and kudos to him for thinking he can get a 9 or 10, but he is decades away from doing it. He complains too much, and those dumb comments about older men show me that he is not only clueless about older men but people in general including women. He is going to get his ass kicked by women but I am not sure he learns anything from it.

If you want a guy I admire, look at ricerocket. He ignores you and your crew, gives you all shit, and has a great time to boot. Hell, he even landed a 9-10 type as a GF because he went for it and thought he was worthy of it. He is like me in that he say fuck you to anyone who says he cannot date the elite or land a 9 or 10.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2775281]

And MB is right about better chemistry meaning better sex and kudos to him for thinking he can get a 9 or 10, but he is decades away from doing it. He complains too much, and those dumb comments about older men show me that he is not only clueless about older men but people in general including women. He is going to get his ass kicked by women but I am not sure he learns anything from it.

[/QUOTE]Are we talking about real relationship or a paid one? I have gotten 9's and maybe even 10's on someone's scale, but those girls were not real girlfriends (but very close though). But I'm learning and eventually I will get there, and I can guarantee that is going to happen very soon, not in a decade. I'm a fast learner) I can't post pics of the girls that I scored here on public forum, but I can PM you if you want to check them out.

Not sure you meant by saying I will get my ass kicked by women, but I'm sure I will learn from it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2775281]Yeah, there are very few guys who act like they are worthy of 9's and 10's here. [/QUOTE]Still struggling with the mental health and reading comprehension I see.

I don't act like I'm worthy of 9's and 10's. I'm not a dog walking around licking boots hoping someone will pet me. I'm worthy of myself. Trying to be worthy of anyone else is just pathetic.

[QUOTE]So 9's and 10's cannot provide good service. And you would know that how?[/QUOTE]Where did I say that? I merely stated what anyone can clearly see, if they can read and understand English. Guys write more about level of service than appearance. No mention of 9's or 10's at all.

[QUOTE]Well, you said you are not going after 9's and 10's. You said no guys here can date Colombian elite. You were too dumb to pick out a Colombian beauty queen from a girl winning a wet t-shirt contest. Your crew has said that all the women in Colombian available to foreign guys are from a few neighborhoods, and you all brag about hanging around centro and we all know what is there, and very few of you produce any pics. The one time you did I said your gal was cute, but the rest of them? What are we supposed to think?[/QUOTE]Again, where did I say these things? I don't use a 1-10 scale, I've said that many times, mostly because I'm no longer 14 and I realize how silly and childish that is. I certainly don't recall saying no guys can date the Colombian elite, just that they aren't going to find them where they're looking. That's mainly because most, especially you, have no idea who the "Colombian elite" are. I'll give you a clue. If she's got a kid and isn't married, she's not elite. In fact, she's almost certainly not even middle class. That's something the elite take very seriously.

When did I get a crew? Makes me feel like I need to buy some matching shirts and join a bowling league. I don't have a crew. I have friends. There are a lot of amazing guys in Medellin, and when possible I'll meet up with them for a beer or lunch.

The majority of girls selling pussy in Medellin are from a few neighborhoods. I don't know why that bothers you. It's just reality.

Nobody on my "crew", whoever they are, brags about hanging around El Centro. I go to El Centro, walk around, have a beer or 2, maybe eat lunch, maybe meet up with someone, maybe hang out in a strip club or visit a casa with someone. Then I head back to where I'm staying. I know guys who prefer to hang out in El Centro. I also know guys who never go there.

You produce very few pics. Your "Colombian beauty queen" looked no different than what you'll find at any county fair, or local celebration around the world. Put up a picture you took when she was being judged on a national level, instead of standing in the dirt.

Personally, I've put up pics several times. None from El Centro, because I really don't partake in El Centro. Logistics. It's easier to get other girls to where I'm staying than to bring one from El Centro.

What are you supposed to think? You're getting ahead of yourself. First, learn to think. Speaking only for myself, what you think ranks somewhere near the texture of my shit on my personal "give a fuck" scale.

[QUOTE]Well then put up your pics and let us see. I am amazed at how many of the guys claiming other guys overpaid never show photos of their women. Hell, we got guys putting up pics of models and Miss Colombia and other guys are saying they are 5's and 7's. Again, where are their 10's?[/QUOTE]Where are yours? I put up a pic of mine and abiding by your requirements, I've been exclusive to her. Kinda broken up with her now, but I haven't rushed out to find a replacement.

Oh yeah. Not everyone is interested in models or former Miss Colombias.

[QUOTE]And here you go again. In what world do you think you are the equal of everyone here? My gal got pregnant and pulled herself up by her boot straps. She got a government job, worked out 3 hours a day, and has been an amazing mother with a child with a bright future. She is in her early 30's and done more with her life than you have. Sad to say, but I think neither she nor her daughter wants an underachieving truck driver as her male role model, and that was what was important to her. Can you believe that? Yeah, she was not just straight up about cash or looks. I can see why dumb asses like you and your crew think a woman like that cannot exist.[/QUOTE]I'm not the equal of anyone. Why would I try to limit myself like that? I'm me. I'm the only me there is. I'm only equal to myself. I think you mixed up your speech for your next KKK meeting with your post on ISG.

You failed to answer the question. You claimed you found the perfect replacement for the Venezuelan you moved, along with her family, to Peru, and she's in Mexico City. Earlier this year you claimed to have found the perfect replacement and she was in Cartagena (30's with a kid). Before that there were several other perfect replacements. I just want to know how you can dedicate yourself to a woman and have it be a different woman every 4-6 months.

She's done more with her life than I have? I haven't done anything with her life. I probably wouldn't even pay to fuck her. I've fucked plenty with kids, but why pay for 1 in her 30's with a kid when it's easy to get 1 10 years younger. Or did you mean she's done more with her life than I've done with mine? How do you measure that? I would think needing to fuck gringos to support your kid would be a negative thing.

I'm actually an overachieving truck driver. You wouldn't understand the difference, because it is in the group of things you'll never understand: anything.

Role model, did you say? Do you honestly believe that I want a kid, whose mother was too irresponsible to keep from having until she could support it, to look at me as a role model? I expect she'll end up like most Colombian girls, idolizing strippers and hookers. Let me know when she hits 18. I'll give her something to look up to. My balls.

Back to my "crew. " I still don't know who is in this imaginary "crew", but I always knew that 30 something women, working dead end jobs, trying to support their illegitimate kids and fucking anyone who would buy them drinks, or pay their rent, existed. Shit. I can't go to a bar or restaurant in the US without 1 of them smiling at me. I'm just baffled why anyone would make a big deal over one.

[QUOTE]And MB is right about better chemistry meaning better sex and kudos to him for thinking he can get a 9 or 10, but he is decades away from doing it. He complains too much, and those dumb comments about older men show me that he is not only clueless about older men but people in general including women. He is going to get his ass kicked by women but I am not sure he learns anything from it.[/QUOTE]And your point?

[QUOTE]If you want a guy I admire, look at ricerocket. He ignores you and your crew, gives you all shit, and has a great time to boot. Hell, he even landed a 9-10 type as a GF because he went for it and thought he was worthy of it. He is like me in that he say fuck you to anyone who says he cannot date the elite or land a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]I don't want a guy. It doesn't matter whether you admire them or not. I just don't feel any sexual attraction towards guys. However, Ricerocket is quite handsome and a really nice guy. I might give him a handjob if he got me drunk. Met him a few years back at the Viva mall in Envigado and had lunch. He's a party all night kinda guy and I'm not. We did discover something together. The Davivienda ATM which let me pull 2 million at a time limited him to 400 k.

I never realized he was giving me shit, or was ignoring me (which seems like a contradiction). Maybe he can tell me who my "crew" is. Whatever he's doing, I'm happy for him. He's enjoying his life the way he wants and mostly doesn't worry about everyone else's business. Although it is disturbing that he's giving me shit. It seems so out of character. Are you sure you're not just making things up again?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2774783]LOL. Only time that I use pesos is when I am paying a hooker, taxi, or Indriver. Everything else I use a credit card.[/QUOTE]Right. But don't [B]tell[/B] them that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2775353]Still struggling with the mental health [/QUOTE]For a guy who thrives on slouching on his truck stop bed making up original insults you are sorely lacking in originality Thus anyone who takes issue with this hyper sensitive twit needs mental health treatment, but with this finger three are always pointing back at you. What a lost cause, a drooping physical wreck with the emotional maturity of an 8 year old, jumping to type out War and Peace to any real or perceived slight in a hooker forum. LOL.

And you aren't an "over achieving truck driver. " What over achiever can at 58 years old fit all their worldly belongings in two suitcases as you so confirmed?? And what over achiever would fly to Colombia and work for a year for free, stiffed week after week as a buttboy for a webcam model he met beating off online?? What an absolute disaster, where the word achievement can't even begin to enter the discussion. Hell you don't even know anything to speak of about Medellin or even how to handle hookers generally as you keep getting your pocket picked, thinking you have girlfriends while leaving your pants and money unattended when you go to the bathroom. But anyway you and Elvis do carry on. Happy New Year one and all.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2775757]For a guy who thrives on slouching on his truck stop bed making up original insults you are sorely lacking in originality Thus anyone who takes issue with this hyper sensitive twit needs mental health treatment, but with this finger three are always pointing back at you. What a lost cause, a drooping physical wreck with the emotional maturity of an 8 year old, jumping to type out War and Peace to any real or perceived slight in a hooker forum. LOL.

And you aren't an "over achieving truck driver. " What over achiever can at 58 years old fit all their worldly belongings in two suitcases as you so confirmed?? And what over achiever would fly to Colombia and work for a year for free, stiffed week after week as a buttboy for a webcam model he met beating off online?? What an absolute disaster, where the word achievement can't even begin to enter the discussion. Hell you don't even know anything to speak of about Medellin or even how to handle hookers generally as you keep getting your pocket picked, thinking you have girlfriends while leaving your pants and money unattended when you go to the bathroom. But anyway you and Elvis do carry on. Happy New Year one and all.[/QUOTE]It's good to see you recovered and Happy New Year to you too. I was a bit worried when your brief love affair with Elvis shattered (maybe MiamiBoy will be your true love). That was a horribly cruel thing he did, claiming nobody appreciated how true of a friend you had been. I bet your twitch looked like The Rockettes practicing on your face after that exchange. A part of me enjoyed revisiting your "acts of true friendship. " However, it was also a sad event. You probably once had potential, but now all you can do is scream irrationally while drinking yourself into oblivion.

"Truck stop bed?" What is that? And why would I crouch on one? And a physical wreck? Not so sure that's somewhere you want to go. It does make me smile, since just 8 days ago, 4 middle aged Colombian women, along with 2 young Colombian women, were asking me how I had such a good body. Don't get me wrong, my body is 60 years old and just walking up the hill from Parque Poblado to the upper end of Provenza wears me out. I recognize my flaws. However, what you fantasize about me (and fantasize is the right word, since you always imagine me in a sexual situation) doesn't match up with reality, or with how others see me.

That would have been 55 years old, with the 2 suitcases. If you're going to only live in the past, at least get it right. You did get one thing right. A hooker did pick my pocket while I was in the bathroom and in the morning, I took the money back. Would you call that a better or worse outcome than waking up in a hospital after getting set up, drugged and robbed by "a friend?

Why dwell on the past, instead of the present? If the past is more important why not talk about when I had to wear diapers and be fed from a bottle? Or is that too close to your present condition?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2775339]Are we talking about real relationship or a paid one? I have gotten 9's and maybe even 10's on someone's scale, but those girls were not real girlfriends (but very close though). But I'm learning and eventually I will get there, and I can guarantee that is going to happen very soon, not in a decade. I'm a fast learner) I can't post pics of the girls that I scored here on public forum, but I can PM you if you want to check them out.
[/QUOTE]Nah, I know you have good taste and do not let JJBee and his dumb crew talk you out of what a 1 or 10 is. Hell, everything is rated on a scale. Look at google reviews. I just did reviews on a hotel, car dealer, and airline with one to 10 ratings, and the erotic review is probably the most popular review site there has ever been and rates women one to 10, and their reviews for the most part have been right on.

Maybe you can ask JJBee to write a 10 page novel on why an elite woman and a woman who is a 10 are different.

As far as what you will learn, if you progress, you will get away from the dumb women like X crap. Whenever a guy says, you know women like X what they are really saying is I have X (young, good looking, rich) and women should like that. It is really stupid and it objectifies women. What the women want and need does not matter?

If you focus on a woman's needs, you will get their attention. If you can anticipate their needs better than they can, you will have them eating out of your hand. That is how you get them, but once you land a 10 type, then after time, unless you really are in love with her, you will get bored. The sexual pleasure will not be as good; the novelty will wear out, and the woman will think she has you locked up. For whatever reason after 3 months, most women seem to think sex is no longer a priority in pleasing their man, but they expect the money to keep pouring in.

Do you know on the Simpsons the guy Smithers? He is really supposed to be a pathetic yes man but if you think about this kind of a guy he really has a lot of power and wealth. What I mean is that the kind of guy the beauty queen girls like. They want a guy who helps them looks good, who builds their brand, who knows what they like and gives it to them. And that is what happened when I met Miss Cartagena. That is what she was looking for (though I do not think she knew what she was looking for) and needed, but also, and this is important, when you have someone judgmental like her, you have to show you are not a pushover.

Usually it is women who like to care for their man versus vice versa but there are men who are caretakers too. And when you have a "star" like her, there is value in knowing how to handle them and getting them dependent on you. Maybe you like to do that MB. I don't. I want a woman who makes me feel good not vice versa. You may think you do not want to be a Smithers type but this was a high powered woman going to numerous interesting events with the rich and powerful. She is and will be a mover and shaker. The stupid part about the guys here is they focused on her looks. Beauty pageant winners are supposed to be the ideal women not just good looking, and this woman had a shit load going for her.

So you may think you know what you need and want, but the women will test you, and you will learn what you need from them and what you are happy with in a woman. You think you know but until you cycle through a lot of women, you really will not.

In the beauty queen's case, she had a shit load of expectations including monogamy after we had sex one time. I asked her later with that expectation, "And when did I agree to that?" She was shocked when I was talking to another woman after she went to bed. She left the room and slammed the door, and I did not come crying after her.

What was so dumb about your age comment MB is that a woman tried the same crap with me. She thought she deserved credit for putting up with my being older, and she tried to break up with me when I was not talking to her that much thinking that she deserved credit for being with someone older, and I would be smitten with her and could not find someone else. Well, the reason I was not talking to her is that I had found a better girl, and she was stunned when I eventually told her.

My goal was to always have a harem and to constantly be trying to improve it. The women eventually learned that when you have others waiting in the wings not to be so stuck up. In the end, the beauty queen said she loved me, and if you really got the context, it was not about the money. She really did love me or thought she did because I was one of the few guys who knew what she needed and could give it to her, but I was not interested in being her Smithers. So yeah, you could say I blew off Miss Cartagena.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2775339].... But I'm learning and eventually I will get there, and I can guarantee that is going to happen very soon, not in a decade. I'm a fast learner)....[/QUOTE]I guess what you enjoy is the hunt.

About age, I think youth is a more important factor for men. But for women, it's only part of the look. I do think look is important if you are in a competition which you are. Age is part of the look but not the determining factor for women to choose a man.

I can give you a few examples, I think you won't have advantage over RR99 even if he is 10 years older than he is now. You won't have the advantage over Elvis as well. Because he is going to dress much better and with larger budget. He figures out how to make it into a coemption for him. Or do you think girls will choose you over George Clooney because of your age? I am not even sure most girls will choose the younger version of George Clooney over the older one because the older one has more to offer.

I agree about chemistry. It's how you frame it that is the problem. If you fuck 100 10's and 100 8's, can you honestly say the sex is absolutely better with all the 10's. I think the answer is no based on your past posts. Then why keep arguing about it and put down choices of others?

You are not comparing the same woman. I agree that sex is better with chemistry. Do all women give you the same type of sex? No. You can't really say your sex with woman A is better than someone else with woman B because you are not someone else and woman A is not woman B.

There are other way to create chemistry. I remember Gobacho made a post about the girl told him not to let others know about BBFS after the second session. The first time he got was all covered but the second time is completely different. He can do it this way, because it is cheap. One probably would not try this with a girl that charges 500

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2775757]For a guy who thrives on slouching on his truck stop bed making up original insults you are sorely lacking in originality Thus anyone who takes issue with this hyper sensitive twit needs mental health treatment, but with this finger three are always pointing back at you. What a lost cause, a drooping physical wreck with the emotional maturity of an 8 year old, jumping to type out War and Peace to any real or perceived slight in a hooker forum. LOL. But anyway you and Elvis do carry on.[/QUOTE]Paulie, I do not know JJBee in life like you do so it is easier for you to judge. I thought about not responding to him at all because he was itching for a fight. Quite frankly, the latest exchange was not just filled with vitriol but bordered on the insane. In fact, what he wrote was so crazy it could be made into a comedy routine.

But yeah, you are right. There was a line in JJBee's diatribe that did not fit. "I put up a pic of mine and abiding by your requirements, I've been exclusive to her. " If you recall, requirements was his phrase, and he claimed to have had a GF. I told him he had a sugar baby not a GF.

With sugar babies, there is a notion that if you give a monthly stipend versus paying by the meet, you skirt prostitution laws and do not make the woman feel like much of a hooker. The first time I did that I had a woman get her monthly stipend and then spend every second we were together trying to get more. That was the end of any monthly stipends forever.

Still, you absolutely do not have to do that in Colombia where prostitution is legal / tolerated, so of course, JJBee did just that. I am sure this girl played him and played him well. And it was funny reading this:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2775862]It does make me smile, since just 8 days ago, 4 middle aged Colombian women, along with 2 young Colombian women, were asking me how I had such a good body. Don't get me wrong, my body is 60 years old[/QUOTE]You have to wonder how much these women got or hoped to get peddling such bullshit.

In the end, the "overachieving truck driver" was trying to compete with me, and he is dreaming. For the most part, the women who grew up in the slums are not relationship material, and he seems not to get that. He also seems to not want anyone to date better than him. When shit for brains says you cannot date the elite of Colombia, what that means is he cannot date the elite given what he has done with his life.

To be clear, I am not advocating that anyone do what I do. When I said a woman had to earn my monogamy, I meant it. I had so many hot women that were great in bed and fun that there was no way I was going to give that up unless I had a tremendous offer. And quite frankly, I had never met anyone in my entire life who could match my harem, and I know a lot of great women. After I fuck a woman, monogamy is not my default position. I repeat, that has to be earned and it requires more effort than a woman just lying on her back.

And what does shit for brains do? He gives away his monogamy. "Uh, gee duh, seeing as how your my GF, I guess I will not see anyone else."

It is weird how the universe works. You say this is my price for monogamy certain no woman will met her but one comes along and does. I get that I am fair game but anyone who tries to put down my woman like JJBee did, they go in the crazy pile.

So yeah, Paulie, you are right. JJBee got played again, and instead of accepting responsibility and learning from it, he is looking for a fight. The one thing I know for certain is that shit for brains will be played again.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776144]Paulie, I do not know JJBee in life like you do so it is easier for you to judge. I thought about not responding to him at all because he was itching for a fight. Quite frankly, the latest exchange was not just filled with vitriol but bordered on the insane. In fact, what he wrote was so crazy it could be made into a comedy routine.[/QUOTE]First of all he doesn't fight in person as he lacks the balls. He's plenty meek. But in another respect he's just like he is here, can't shut up to save his life. Face to face 95% of the talking will be done by him. You won't get in a word edgewise. And again this talk about being an "over achiever" at anything is your comedy central to the max. How can someone who late in life can fit all their worldly belongings in two suitcases be considered an achiever in any respect?? It's an oxymoron. Further he doesn't walk but he droops a long down the road in this hilarious symmetry. It's like out of a Looney Tunes cartoon. But yea he keeps tapping out here in Stupid Shit but keeps coming back as he's addicted. His mouth online is all he has left.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2776103]I guess what you enjoy is the hunt.

About age, I think youth is a more important factor for men. But for women, it's only part of the look. I do think look is important if you are in a competition which you are. Age is part of the look but not the determining factor for women to choose a man.

I can give you a few examples, I think you won't have advantage over RR99 even if he is 10 years older than he is now. You won't have the advantage over Elvis as well. Because he is going to dress much better and with larger budget. He figures out how to make it into a coemption for him. Or do you think girls will choose you over George Clooney because of your age? I am not even sure most girls will choose the younger version of George Clooney over the older one because the older one has more to offer.

I agree about chemistry. It's how you frame it that is the problem. If you fuck 100 10's and 100 8's, can you honestly say the sex is absolutely better with all the 10's. I think the answer is no based on your past posts. Then why keep arguing about it and put down choices of others?

You are not comparing the same woman. I agree that sex is better with chemistry. Do all women give you the same type of sex? No. You can't really say your sex with woman A is better than someone else with woman B because you are not someone else and woman A is not woman B.

There are other way to create chemistry. I remember Gobacho made a post about the girl told him not to let others know about BBFS after the second session. The first time he got was all covered but the second time is completely different. He can do it this way, because it is cheap. One probably would not try this with a girl that charges 500[/QUOTE]I never said age was the determining factor, but definitely an important one. Just a couple of days ago I saw a smoking hot 10/10 girl in Provenza, I could not believe my eyes, she was that hot. Her male companion was looking great too, probably in his late 30's, if I was gay I would rate him 10/10. They were like barbie and ken, literally. I often see the same in Miami. Good looking women accompanied by good looking men, and the age gap is probably 10-15 years tops, which is much more natural than, say, a 40 yr gap. Your comparison with George Clooney is not accurate, come on, he has been a sex idol for years, and ages really well, besides being a celebrity and multi-millionaire. The majority of the guys of his age don't even come close.

I never said I had an advantage over Elvis or RR, simply because there are other factors to consider, besides the age. And I doubt Elvis is dressed better than me (what made you think otherwise?

Yes, the sex with a 10 is much better than sex with an 8, all other things being equal. You just haven't found your perfect 10 yet.

I did not get your point about Gabacho. He can get BBFS because it is cheap to fuck a centro hoe? And the 500 mil girl won't do it? Thats nonsense.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776144] After I fuck a woman, monogamy is not my default position. I repeat, that has to be earned and it requires more effort than a woman just lying on her back.

And what does shit for brains do? He gives away his monogamy. "Uh, gee duh, seeing as how your my GF, I guess I will not see anyone else." [/QUOTE]Damn, speaking like a true boss. I must admit it took for me to hit my mid 30's to finally understand this and feel the same way now. Better 30's than 60's. It has to be earned, Absolutely.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2776346]I did not get your point about Gabacho. He can get BBFS because it is cheap to fuck a centro hoe? And the 500 mil girl won't do it? Thats nonsense.[/QUOTE]Definitely nonsense. Your mind kind of leads you to believe that the cheaper chick will do anything, but it is actually the more expensive chick that will do anything and have all the diseases. If a mf is paying all of that money then it is kind of expected the chick will have to do more like go raw.

Like the chicks being paid to go out to Emirates and get shit on and fuck camels. I don't think a downtown chick would be willing to do that. They would be like that is disgusting and walk off. But the 500,000 peso chick has $$ in her eyes and is not going to easily walk away from that much dosh just because someone wants to put a little shit on her stomach that will quickly clean up with soap and water and bleach or whatever.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2776422] Like the chicks being paid to go out to Emirates and get shit on and fuck camels.[/QUOTE]Wait what! Chicks do what now?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2776345]First of all he doesn't fight in person as he lacks the balls. He's plenty meek. But in another respect he's just like he is here, can't shut up to save his life. Face to face 95% of the talking will be done by him. You won't get in a word edgewise. And again this talk about being an "over achiever" at anything is your comedy central to the max. How can someone who late in life can fit all their worldly belongings in two suitcases be considered an achiever in any respect?? It's an oxymoron. Further he doesn't walk but he droops a long down the road in this hilarious symmetry. It's like out of a Looney Tunes cartoon. But yea he keeps tapping out here in Stupid Shit but keeps coming back as he's addicted. His mouth online is all he has left.[/QUOTE]Of course 95% of the talking was done by me. It was either that or listen to you repeat yourself every 2 minutes talking about Jim Morrison. He sang. He had a few hits. He died. He remains dead. Not much there to talk about.

Surely you understand the difference between past and present tense. Or is that something you've forgotten? My situation 5 years ago was different than my situation today. It's not difficult to understand. At one point in your life you were drooling and shitting in your diaper, but now. Okay that one hasn't changed much. However, almost everyone has ups and downs in life. You either get back on your feet and go on, or you become a spiteful little man with nothing to contribute.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776144]Paulie, I do not know JJBee in life like you do so it is easier for you to judge. I thought about not responding to him at all because he was itching for a fight. Quite frankly, the latest exchange was not just filled with vitriol but bordered on the insane. In fact, what he wrote was so crazy it could be made into a comedy routine.

But yeah, you are right. There was a line in JJBee's diatribe that did not fit. "I put up a pic of mine and abiding by your requirements, I've been exclusive to her. " If you recall, requirements was his phrase, and he claimed to have had a GF. I told him he had a sugar baby not a GF.

With sugar babies, there is a notion that if you give a monthly stipend versus paying by the meet, you skirt prostitution laws and do not make the woman feel like much of a hooker. The first time I did that I had a woman get her monthly stipend and then spend every second we were together trying to get more. That was the end of any monthly stipends forever.

Still, you absolutely do not have to do that in Colombia where prostitution is legal / tolerated, so of course, JJBee did just that. I am sure this girl played him and played him well. And it was funny reading this:

You have to wonder how much these women got or hoped to get peddling such bullshit.

In the end, the "overachieving truck driver" was trying to compete with me, and he is dreaming. For the most part, the women who grew up in the slums are not relationship material, and he seems not to get that. He also seems to not want anyone to date better than him. When shit for brains says you cannot date the elite of Colombia, what that means is he cannot date the elite given what he has done with his life.[/QUOTE]Where did you go Elvis? Running away and hiding under Paulie's skirt? Again? It's like you're stuck on the merry-go-round. You take a swing at me, I respond and then you spin around in circles for a few months before deciding to swing again.

Why not answer the questions? Or stick with one story? You paid a monthly support to a Venezuelan, moved her and her family to Peru and continued to pay even after she dumped you. At one point during the pandemic you claimed to be paying monthly support to 4 women at the same time. You claimed that the woman you had totally devoted yourself to in Cartagena insisted on $500 month just to see you. Then you claimed to have found your woman to replace the Venezuelan in Mexico City. You've written extensively about all the different sugar babies, along with the value of paying by the month, but now say you've only had 1. Shit, you even wrote that by paying to support a woman it allowed her to develop real feelings for you. Your story bounces around like a grasshopper in a meth lab.

Pick a story and stick with it.

I'm still waiting on an explanation about men being "worthy" of women. I hate the term, but that's the most "simp" thing I've ever seen. That takes begging for pussy to a whole new level. That's a fucking gimp suit all summed up in one sentence.

Then you flip around and say a woman "has to earn monogamy. " Sorry, but if you've already declared that you have to be worthy of the woman, monogamy isn't the issue. You've already gift wrapped your balls and handed them over.

Who put down your woman? I thought you had a harem? And I also thought you had committed to one woman, but then you said you committed to a different woman, except now you're saying you haven't committed to any women. You're upset because 2 or 3 years ago I pointed out that your "beauty queen" appeared to have been in the type of beauty contests you can find anywhere? Or are you pissed because I reminded you that you said your perfect 10 told you how much you had to give her every month?

Personally it doesn't matter whether you consider the girl I called "girlfriend" a sugar baby or anything else. Whatever works for you. One thing though, I've never given her a monthly stipend. Certainly she's never told me how much I was required to pay to have access to her. Do I spend money on her? Absolutely. It's my money.

Did she grow up in a slum? No. Solid estrato 4 neighborhood in Envigado. Not that it matters. However, it does clearly illustrate what I said; you have no clue who the Colombian elite are.

The elite aren't selling dates on Seeking.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2776420]Damn, speaking like a true boss. I must admit it took for me to hit my mid 30's to finally understand this and feel the same way now. Better 30's than 60's. It has to be earned, Absolutely.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and to clarify that Anthony, it means making me feel good in every phase of my life if I am paying the bills. Yes, sexually, it means satisfying me however it means making me feel better in every aspect of my life. That means enhancing relationships with acquaintances, friends, and family. It means when I come home that I want to go in the house versus standing outside of it. It means when I am done talking to you I am smiling happy that I called you. It means being open to having fun when I need to have fun. And for the most part, home will be a sanctuary from stress and not a place with constant drama. They actually had articles in the 50's for women about how to care for their man. Now it is women deserve everything.

You would think that I would after all these years be able to pick out a guy who had the above situation, and I cannot. Chris Rock made a joke about this and said every married man here gets the same lousy ass blowjob. It is three licks and the woman says, "Is it hard yet? Put it in. I got laundry to do. " Yes, it is funny because it is true, but his solution was worse. If your job in the band is to play the tambourine, you just smile, be happy, and play the shit out of it. I think your generation is seeing that if you are paying for the whole band, then fuck just playing the tambourine.

My response and yours Anthony is then I will not form a band but just pay for one myself where I can be the star, and it is a lot cheaper and more satisfying. And that is what I meant by thinking no one would ever meet my criteria. I thought no one woman could best the concept of a harem because in my harem when a woman does nor perform, and they almost always do not perform over time, I just replace her, and usually it is almost always an upgrade at least for a while. If you do find a woman who can best a harem, then lock her up because even in Colombia, they are not easy to find.

JJbee AKA professor shit for brains was flat out lying when he said single moms cannot be part of the elite, and the reason he said that is he cannot date the elite. What woman is going to commit herself to an in debt, unhealthy, 60 year old truck driver? They have no future with him and if he had any brains, he would not even think about long term with any woman.

But I am glad he brought it up because I talked to my woman about this single mom issue in Colombia, and she told me single motherhood is very, very common in Colombia, so I googled the number and 84% of the kids in Colombia are born out of wedlock. Can you believe that? 84 fucking percent! That sucks for the women, and it says horrible things about Colombian men, but it is great for us.

So my gal is pregnant at 19, has her kid at 20, and she has had help from her family. The baby daddy is scum but his parents actually helped out. Still, most of the job of being a parent was on her, and she has no pie in the sky idea about being a mother and having a family and what the man's job is. If he is a nice guy and provider, she is going to appreciate that because it is better than what she had, and her daughter is old enough now to appreciate it too.

Thing is how many women are there out there who look like her, really appreciate a man, and how do you find them? I am sure there are more, and I do not know where you find them, but I guarantee you that it is not going to be in the slums where women have no concept of a long term relationship. And if you cannot find a woman like mine, and it is not easy to find one, then by all means, stick with your harem.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2776429]Wait what! Chicks do what now?[/QUOTE]They eat shit, according to some reports and provocations. Well, google "Dubai porta potty" and start your adventure from there. I haven't looked much into the topic but it made into the general news in my country couple years ago when several high profile IG models have been exposed agreeing to do it. So think twice before DFKing IG model LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2776346]I never said age was the determining factor, but definitely an important one. Just a couple of days ago I saw a smoking hot 10/10 girl in Provenza, I could not believe my eyes, she was that hot. Her male companion was looking great too, probably in his late 30's, if I was gay I would rate him 10/10. They were like barbie and ken, literally. I often see the same in Miami. Good looking women accompanied by good looking men, and the age gap is probably 10-15 years tops, which is much more natural than, say, a 40 yr gap. [/QUOTE]It is not as important as you think. You don't know the people you see so you come to the conclusion based on what you see. In the social circle that I know, a girl that graduated from a top law school making 200 K plus after graduation is going to match with someone similar or above her social and economic status first, then she may pick based on look. It's just not common for a hot girl to pick someone far below her social status and making far less money because she does not have too. This pretty much apply across the board from what I have seen. Look rarely comes first. This is not even P4P.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2776346]Your comparison with George Clooney is not accurate, come on, he has been a sex idol for years, and ages really well, besides being a celebrity and multi-millionaire. The majority of the guys of his age don't even come close.
[/QUOTE]It is valid because one comparison is against himself, young vs old. I don't really have an answer but I don't think you have the right answer either. And that sort of proves my point.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2776346]
I never said I had an advantage over Elvis or RR, simply because there are other factors to consider, besides the age. And I doubt Elvis is dressed better than me (what made you think otherwise?
[/QUOTE]Now you qualify it and that proves my point.

I think he does for the purpose he wants to achieve, but not the way you think. He is not wearing skinny jeans for sure.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2776346]
... You just haven't found your perfect 10 yet.
[/QUOTE]That is the flaw in your logic. I already know sex with 9 is not always better than with 8. The sex with 8 is not always better than with 7. For that reason, I don't need to have sex with 10 to find out.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2776346]
I did not get your point about Gabacho. He can get BBFS because it is cheap to fuck a centro hoe? And the 500 mil girl won't do it? Thats nonsense.[/QUOTE]I am talking about chemistry. It's only nonsense because it is cheap. If this is a seeking 500 mil girl, will you say the same thing?

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2776561]They eat shit, according to some reports and provocations. Well, google "Dubai porta potty" and start your adventure from there. I haven't looked much into the topic but it made into the general news in my country couple years ago when several high profile IG models have been exposed agreeing to do it. So think twice before DFKing IG model LOL.[/QUOTE]I was doing an informal worldwide survey of prostitution many years ago and that practice did pop up in the middle east.

[URL]https://youtu.be/Iy1UmhfsGr0[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2776422]Definitely nonsense. Your mind kind of leads you to believe that the cheaper chick will do anything, but it is actually the more expensive chick that will do anything and have all the diseases. If a mf is paying all of that money then it is kind of expected the chick will have to do more like go raw.

Like the chicks being paid to go out to Emirates and get shit on and fuck camels. I don't think a downtown chick would be willing to do that. They would be like that is disgusting and walk off. But the 500,000 peso chick has $$ in her eyes and is not going to easily walk away from that much dosh just because someone wants to put a little shit on her stomach that will quickly clean up with soap and water and bleach or whatever.[/QUOTE]Lmfao, and how would you know that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2776551]
I'm still waiting on an explanation about men being "worthy" of women. I hate the term, but that's the most "simp" thing I've ever seen. That takes begging for pussy to a whole new level. That's a fucking gimp suit all summed up in one sentence.[/QUOTE]I am not going round and round with you. Clearly, you were dumped or disillusioned with a woman and want a fight.

Worthy is what the man thinks of himself not what women think of him. The man has to think he is worthy of a 9 or 10.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2776551]Did she grow up in a slum? No. Solid estrato 4 neighborhood in Envigado. Not that it matters. However, it does clearly illustrate what I said; you have no clue who the Colombian elite are. The elite aren't selling dates on Seeking.[/QUOTE]Because you did not have a 9 or 10 you thought using numbers to judge was childish, but she is estrato 4? I told Miami Boy to quit arguing with you about 9's and 10's because losers like you do not like that system because you do not have 9's and 10's, but you are happy to use a woman's numbers when you think they make you look good.

And now Mr. 60 year old truck driver you are lecturing me on seeking, all the women on there, and all the elites in Colombia? And you know for a fact based on that "knowledge", my girl is not elite and somehow you know her better than me?

Anyone who tried to put down my woman goes in the crazy pile, and on all the points above, you are completely delusional.

I do not advise competing with what I have. But if you do, the next time you want to compare GFs, maybe you should actually have one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776839]Worthy is what the man thinks of himself not what women think of him. The man has to think he is worthy of a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]Using your own childish standard. What makes you worthy of a 9 or 10? Is it the education that you never had? Is it the super-fit body that you let atrophy years / decades ago?

I know, I know. It's the intellectual acuity that you demonstrate when you share your expert opinion on CoVid and Investments and Politics and Colombian women. Even though everything you know or say comes from some video clip on the internet.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776839]And now Mr. 60 year old truck driver you are lecturing me on seeking, all the women on there, and all the elites in Colombia? And you know for a fact based on that "knowledge", my girl is not elite and somehow you know her better than me?[/QUOTE]You have to acknowledge that JjBee62 makes a very good point. How is it that you found your elite Colombiana on Seeking? Elite Colombianas don't post on Seeking for fear that their father or uncle or family friend would see their advertisement. Elite Colombianas have an expense account from the family or a monthly allowance which is sufficient that they don't need to find some fat slob of a gringo with a big mouth and a small brain to spread their legs to pay the rent.

Elite Colombianas don't have many children out of wedlock (it happens but it is uncommon, unlike the poorer classes). They take a trip to Mexico and come back "unencumbered".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776839]Anyone who tried to put down my woman goes in the crazy pile, and on all the points above, you are completely delusional.

I do not advise competing with what I have. But if you do, the next time you want to compare GFs, maybe you should actually have one.[/QUOTE]We are all happy that you are getting some. Obviously she is madly in love with you. Or should I say madly in love with the support you give her and her child. But the whole idea that you and only you can find a pretty Colombiana is patently absurd. You didn't discover water in the middle of the ocean. Or did you??

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777099]What makes you worthy of a 9 or 10?[/QUOTE]Well, one reason is knowing guys like you and JJBee are full of shit. Do people in JJBee's butt crew wear the same T-shirts when they go out?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777099]Elite Colombianas don't post on Seeking for fear that their father or uncle or family friend would see their advertisement. Elite Colombianas have an expense account from the family or a monthly allowance which is sufficient that they don't need to find some fat slob of a gringo with a big mouth and a small brain to spread their legs to pay the rent.

Elite Colombianas don't have many children out of wedlock (it happens but it is uncommon, unlike the poorer classes). They take a trip to Mexico and come back "unencumbered".[/QUOTE]Yes, we know you and JJBee want that to be true except I and other guys know for a fact that elites are on seeking and have been out with them. You and JJbee are fucking delusional in thinking you know everything about every woman on there.

And the delusion changed. Gee, that is a shocker. Now the elite women in Colombia have some babies out of wedlock (they had none before), and they go to some out of special out of wedlock hospital in Mexico? Of course, you have a source to show the location of this special hospital right V?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777099]But the whole idea that you and only you can find a pretty Colombiana is patently absurd.[/QUOTE]And this is why you posted what you did. This is the second time V you have written a post being threatened by the woman I have dated. You know, Elvis, I have dated hot women too, but you just outted yourself.

I never said guys here could not date the elite. You just agreed with JJBee that the guys here cannot date elite women and why would you two say that? Because you two cannot. He does not have the status and you do not have the balls.

And to be clear, I have said that a guy like Miami Boy might do what I have done and you know why? Because unlike you, at least he is trying. He is doing the work, paying his dues and taking the emotional hits that come with climbing the mountain, and other guys are too.

There was a guy on the seeking forum, and he was with a woman who was smoking hot, fucked him, and did not ask for money afterwards. He wanted to know what the guys thought. I told him that in my case I learned when that happened it meant the woman actually wanted me and not my money, and it happened to me more than once. I got why he was confused. When you are in the game so long, you think that is not possible. You think women only like you for your money. Shortly after, he quit posting about his exploits which were incredible.

Of course, there is the other side of the coin which is your dumb ass leader. He dates a girl, says she "meets the criteria" for a GF which is a sure tell she is not one. I was actually helping him out telling him his girl was cute and a sugar baby, but dumb ass thought he was competing with me, knew best and got burned.

So yeah, you two cannot compete with me. All you can do is take pot shots after you fall on your collective asses. You cannot learn anything when you think you know it all already.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776839]Worthy is what the man thinks of himself not what women think of him. The man has to think he is worthy of a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]What you think of yourself does not amount to a hill of beans if there is another person involved. You do not choose yourself for them. They have to choose you for them. If what you are saying was the case, then any random chick who thinks she is worthy of you could have you, no matter you thinking she is the most hideous thing on the planet.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776555]Yeah, and to clarify that Anthony, it means making me feel good in every phase of my life if I am paying the bills.[/QUOTE]That goes without saying. If you are paying the bills then you should get what you are paying for. But it is amazing that you see this as a relationship. What you describe is a business arrangement. This is quid pro quo. If you stop paying the bills then she stops making you feel good. If she stops making you feel good then maybe you will stop paying the bills, or keep paying the bills while begging her to do things your way again; how you have been known to do.

When a buddy in Thailand was thinking about settling down with his girl he put her through the wringer. For a while he acted to be really sick and had her even literally wiping his ass. After she passed that, he acted to be out of money and she went to get a job to take care of them. Then he knew he had the right girl. Something tells me that if you run out of money, then you run out of girl. Not a relationship at all.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776839]I am not going round and round with you. Clearly, you were dumped or disillusioned with a woman and want a fight.[/QUOTE]Sorry Elvag, but you came out swinging at me. If you don't want someone to swing back, don't come out punching.

I haven't been dumped, except within your diseased mind. I simply told a girl she was no longer my priority. It's pretty simple. I never came on here professing my undying love and devotion. I just chose to treat one girl as a girlfriend. Not forever, simply an arrangement for as long as I felt it was worth my time. No crying over how she didn't appreciate all the money I spent to move her and her family to Peru. No whining that she was making a mistake and none of the bullshit of putting her on a pedestal. Absolutely none of the crap of 3 or 4 years later telling everyone that you've finally found a replacement.

[QUOTE]Worthy is what the man thinks of himself not what women think of him. The man has to think he is worthy of a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The man has to be worthy, according to you. His balls have to be surgically removed and handed over. You're insisting that you have to live up to some standard to qualify for some woman. I don't do that. I know my own value. There's no need to "prove" myself, certainly not to someone like you.

[QUOTE]Because you did not have a 9 or 10 you thought using numbers to judge was childish, but she is estrato 4? I told Miami Boy to quit arguing with you about 9's and 10's because losers like you do not like that system because you do not have 9's and 10's, but you are happy to use a woman's numbers when you think they make you look good.[/QUOTE]At least some people who have been to Colombia understand this. Obviously you don't. Colombian cities are delineated by economic levels, or estratos. There are 6 estratos, from the lowest level to the highest. This system is used for taxation and the calculation of economic burden for necessary services. For example, people living in an estrato 6 neighborhood pay more for electricity (per KwH) than people living in an estrato 2 neighborhood. It's not some arbitrary number, it's a government defined classification system.

Estrato 4 is a middle class neighborhood, made up of middle class families. Their schools and hospitals are better than those in an estrato 2 barrio. Do you understand it now? To determine anyone's economic estrato all you need to know is the address where they grew up. Do a search, locate the address and there's nothing subjective about it.

A 1-10 scale is childish. Just read the posts from the main proponents. Clear as can be. It's childish because it is a narrow definition of a broad subject. It's silly because, as has been demonstrated here many times, it's subjective. Men, at least men who don't cut off their balls and hand them to a woman to show they're worthy, have varied tastes, they place different values on every trait. They also factor in their goals and desires. However, some people can't grasp that and can only work 2 dimensionally. Why should anyone else place blinders on their perception?

[QUOTE]And now Mr. 60 year old truck driver you are lecturing me on seeking, all the women on there, and all the elites in Colombia? And you know for a fact based on that "knowledge", my girl is not elite and somehow you know her better than me?

Anyone who tried to put down my woman goes in the crazy pile, and on all the points above, you are completely delusional.

I do not advise competing with what I have. But if you do, the next time you want to compare GFs, maybe you should actually have one.[/QUOTE]No. I'm not lecturing you on Seeking. There's no way you could possibly meet the entrance requirements to my lecture.

Yes. I know your girl is not elite. I don't claim to know her better than you. That would require paying her more than you and she's not worth it to me.

In Colombia, elite is based upon economic status. The elite are quite bound by tradition. With a possible rare exception of an incredibly ugly daughter, no elite family is going to be the subject of gossip over an unwanted pregnancy. If she's ugly enough, the family might kick her out, disavow her and make her find her own way, but that's highly unlikely. Instead, they will take one of 3 paths.

The first is abortion. The pregnancy never happened and it will never be discussed again. The second is something which was quite popular in my high-school days, rheumatic fever, or some other prolonged illness. The girl is sent away to recover, quietly gives birth and the child is either put up for adoption, or handed over to a married family member who can claim it as her own. In the third case, the girl is sent far away, provided with what she needs and she goes on with her life away from the gossiping neighbors.

I've been lucky. First, my old roommate is from an estrato 4 family. Both her mother and father hold management positions. I've met them both. I've spent many hours discussing my roommate's upbringing and views. I've met her friends, including the one who got pregnant.

During the same time frame I met one of the Colombian elite and her husband. An unfortunate incident gave me a secondhand view of how they deal with scandal.

There's more, but it doesn't matter. You believe that elite in Colombia is solely based upon your opinion of someone's appearance, but the elite know that appearance can easily be changed. Or did you believe all those plastic surgeons are being supported by cheap boob jobs on hookers?

You keep saying these bizarre things and I can't understand why. First you go off about me claiming to be your equal. There's no way I could be your equal. Where could I even find a doctor to perform the lobotomy? Now you're claiming I'm trying to compete with you? For what? I'm certainly not trying to compete on renting apartments for single mothers. I'm not going to compete for overpriced hookers on Seeking. I'm not even interested in building a harem, proving my worth or getting anyone to earn monogamy.

There's no competition that I'm aware of. Perhaps that's another product of your underdeveloped imagination. Besides, I'd feel bad trying to compete with you. It would be like LeBron James taking on a legless dwarf in basketball. Sorry. A fat legless dwarf. Full court.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2775978]Do you know on the Simpsons the guy Smithers? He is really supposed to be a pathetic yes man but if you think about this kind of a guy he really has a lot of power and wealth. What I mean is that the kind of guy the beauty queen girls like. They want a guy who helps them looks good, who builds their brand, who knows what they like and gives it to them. And that is what happened when I met Miss Cartagena..[/QUOTE]You do know the character is gay right? And what you described as the type of guy that beauty queens like does not seem the least bit masculine. It sounds like the role one of their gay friends would fill.

"In many ways, Smithers represents the stereotype of a closeted gay man. Numerous allusions and double entendres about his homosexuality are made, though some of the show's producers instead interpret him as a "Burns-sexual". In the season 27 (2016) episode "The Burns Cage", he officially came out as gay."

Lmfao, the American Geezers of Medellin are showing their friendship.

You shouldn't fight, be happy that CNN finally gave Pauly permission to leave the basement. God only knows how much longer his liver will last given his drinking habits or if one of his true, great friends tries to kill him for 50 mil peso. Again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777192]You do know the character is gay right? And what you described as the type of guy that beauty queens like does not seem the least bit masculine. It sounds like the role one of their gay friends would fill.

"In many ways, Smithers represents the stereotype of a closeted gay man. Numerous allusions and double entendres about his homosexuality are made, though some of the show's producers instead interpret him as a "Burns-sexual". In the season 27 (2016) episode "The Burns Cage", he officially came out as gay."[/QUOTE]Did ned flanders ever come out as gay?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777179]When a buddy in Thailand was thinking about settling down with his girl he put her through the wringer. For a while he acted to be really sick and had her even literally wiping his ass. After she passed that, he acted to be out of money and she went to get a job to take care of them. Then he knew he had the right girl.[/QUOTE]I am confused. The right girl is the one you can lie to?

What you are describing is a shit test. If she did not know she was being shit tested, then she is a fool. If she did, then why wouldn't she play along and then fuck the guy over after she gained her trust?

If your ideal relationship is an insecure guy lying and a foolish woman being duped, it is no wonder you are divorced.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777192]You do know the character is gay right?[/QUOTE]And? Is the role I turned down one you are interested in?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777192]And what you described as the type of guy that beauty queens like does not seem the least bit masculine.[/QUOTE]All the more reason for you to go for it.

And now she is a beauty queen winner huh? I thought you said she won a wet t-shirt contest.

You, JJBee, and Vilainy are so anxious to put down the women I see. It is almost like you are ashamed of who you all are seeing. Thought you were all happy with your cheap and average looking women, Mr. E.

To remind you professor shit for brains, this is what I said. My gal got pregnant and pulled herself up by her boot straps. She got a government job, worked out 3 hours a day, and has been an amazing mother with a child with a bright future. She got a government job, worked out 3 hours a day, and has been an amazing mother with a child with a bright future.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2777182]In Colombia, elite is based upon economic status. The elite are quite bound by tradition. With a possible rare exception of an incredibly ugly daughter, no elite family is going to be the subject of gossip over an unwanted pregnancy. If she's ugly enough, the family might kick her out, disavow her and make her find her own way, but that's highly unlikely. Instead, they will take one of 3 paths.
[/QUOTE]I am not sure how a normal person would go from my saying my gal picked herself up from her boot straps to thinking her family said "Oh, you are pregnant" and proclaimed their love for her and started singing kumbaya, but then again, you are not normal.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2777182]At least some people who have been to Colombia understand this. Obviously you don't. Colombian cities are delineated by economic levels, or estratos. There are 6 estratos, from the lowest level to the highest.[/QUOTE]Uh no. I brought this up not you douche, and I was critical of you and others trying to form relationships with lower class girls from the ghetto. In your case, a "solid 4" would you be bragging about not having a ghetto girl for once.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2777182]You believe that elite in Colombia is solely based upon your opinion of someone's appearance, but the elite know that appearance can easily be changed.[/QUOTE]I never said that. An elite for me is a woman that men badly desire.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2777182]There's no competition that I'm aware of. Perhaps that's another product of your underdeveloped imagination. Besides, I'd feel bad trying to compete with you. It would be like LeBron James taking on a legless dwarf in basketball. Sorry. A fat legless dwarf. Full court.[/QUOTE]I said that I have dated the elite, and you admitted you do not. And you are bragging about having made it with a 4 out of 6 woman. Lebron is major league and big time, and you are no Lebron, Mr. 60 year old in debt truck driver.

And are you trying to kill poor Paulie? That thud I just heard was him passing out on the floor laughing at that Lebron James comment.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2777247]Lmfao,[B] the American Geezers of Medellin[/B] are showing their friendship.

You shouldn't fight, be happy that CNN finally gave Pauly permission to leave the basement. God only knows how much longer his liver will last given his drinking habits or if one of his true, great friends tries to kill him for 50 mil peso. Again.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I know what you mean. Pauly doesn't have any friends other than the bed-bugs that he knows so well.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777168]Yes, we know you and JJBee want that to be true except I and other guys know for a fact that elites are on seeking and have been out with them. You and JJbee are fucking delusional in thinking you know everything about every woman on there.[/QUOTE]I have repeatedly pointed out over the years that you cannot read or analyze anything more complex than single digit arithmetic.

What do you think the words "Seeking Arrangement" mean? (Changing the name to just 'Seeking' doesn't remove the stain) I know, I know, you met your hooker on Seeking so that has to be a repository of Colombia's elites. But the truth is that elite Colombianas don't advertise on Seeking. If they are trying to find a serious companion they would more likely post on Colombia Cupid or Latin America Cupid or some other site that doesn't have the obvious implication of looking for money. Elite Colombianas come from familys that would shun them forever if their identity was discovered on a site like Seeking.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777168]And the delusion changed. Gee, that is a shocker. Now the elite women in Colombia have some babies out of wedlock (they had none before), and they go to some out of special out of wedlock hospital in Mexico? Of course, you have a source to show the location of this special hospital right V?[/QUOTE]"The state of abortion in Mexico.

For decades, women in Mexico resorted to clandestine clinics, traditional midwives and dubious herbal potions to end unwanted pregnancies. As in countries around the world, many women died every year while receiving illicit abortion care.

This changed in 2007, at least for some women in the country, when Mexico City's legislature legalized abortion during the first three months of pregnancy. It was a watershed vote that set the capital city apart from the rest of Mexico's states."

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/podcasts/abortion-roe-mexico.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777168]I never said guys here could not date the elite. You just agreed with JJBee that the guys here cannot date elite women and why would you two say that? Because you two cannot. [/QUOTE]I never said guys here couldn't date an elite Colombiana. [B]I do say that you can't[/B]. In order to date an elite Colombiana you would need to know what an elite Colombiana is, in the first place.

Clearly you don't. You think the elites are posting on pay-for-play boards.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777168]So yeah, you two cannot compete with me.[/QUOTE]Of course. Nobody can compete with 'the' Elvis. You found a 30+ year old hooker with an illegitimate kid on a pay-for-play outlet and you pay for her apartment and expenses in Cartagena. You fantasize that she doesn't see anyone else while you are back in the States. [B]Yeah, OK...I can see why you would think that no one here could compete with that. [/B].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777305]And? Is the role I turned down one you are interested in?[/QUOTE]It wasn't me that compared myself to the gay guy and said that is how I am different to normal males. That was all you! Now I get it. They must see you as the harmless gay friend.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777419]
What do you think the words "Seeking Arrangement" mean? (Changing the name to just 'Seeking' doesn't remove the stain) I know, I know, you met your hooker on Seeking so that has to be a repository of Colombia's elites. But the truth is that elite Colombianas don't advertise on Seeking. If they are trying to find a serious companion they would more likely post on Colombia Cupid or Latin America Cupid or some other site that doesn't have the obvious implication of looking for money. Elite Colombianas come from familys that would shun them forever if their identity was discovered on a site like Seeking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FastMdSter;2737080]Which brings me to my current state of affairs (LOL). You may recall that I met a woman on SA in Vancouver who was a real estate agent. She was on the site for 4 days before closing her account. The woman is a 9. 9. Intelligent, beautiful, funny, 5'8", blonde, blue eyes, real breasts, no lip fillers, financially stable and fit as fuck. Now, you are asking why the fuck was she on there, as did I.

We speak on the phone, face time blah blah. When we finally met the first time we hit it off amazingly. 100% sexual match and personality.

No money exchange.

About 3 weeks ago, I'm in Seattle and she's like come see me. I do, because I have 2 other woman there also. Again, it's the same 100%. No money exchange.

Last night we went to eat at Black and Blue, I come out of the bathroom and ask for the check and she had paid. The bill was $620 for 2 people, I was dumbfounded. She has also paid for all our Ubers / Lyfts, door dash one night etc.

After we are done ravaging each other with her hand massaging my balls, she says to me "how about we be exclusive".[/QUOTE]So what is your excuse now V? I am not this guy? This gal is Canadian? The guy is a liar? It says a lot about what a dumb sexist pig you on that you think that a young elite woman could not make it on her own and has to be attached to some older family members. Did you consider women whose parents are in another country or are dead or are demented or divorced? It speaks volumes about how delusional you are that an elite Colombian family unit MUST be like the cast of the TV shows Dallas or Dynasty with an alpha male at the head that makes sure the women do not step out of line.

Yeah, you really understand women V. Keep telling yourself that.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777419]I never said guys here couldn't date an elite Colombiana. [B]I do say that you can't[/B].[/QUOTE]And there is more delusion. I do not have to see the photos of the women MB has been with because I know he is a player, and the same with this guy FastMDster, but I know you are not because you are too arrogant to learn anything. Any woman who wants to suck money out of you has to parrot all your beliefs and support your fucking delusions, and doing that shit is exhausting. And if I can pick that up about you on a message board, I cannot imagine how easily women will fleece you in real life and run for the door as soon as they can.

And look at who your partners in crime. You got JJBee AKA Lebron bragging about scoring a 4/6 woman. Then there is Mr. E who brags that he likes 3/6 women. That is some great company to keep when it comes to getting the best women.

Sounds like BS to me. For one it would be really difficult to get through security. I was just there for 5 nights and never heard anything about it.

The problem I think is happening if you google the Hotel Mansion it will take you to a totally different place, I know I made this mistake once and it wasn't in a good place. To find the Mansion on google you have to put Hotel M. S. A. S Address is Cra. 43 #2 sur 50 El Poblado.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2777554]Shit I want to hear more about the Mansion getting robbed, that's wild.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777536]So what is your excuse now V? I am not this guy? This gal is Canadian? The guy is a liar? It says a lot about what a dumb sexist pig you on that you think that a young elite woman could not make it on her own and has to be attached to some older family members. Did you consider women whose parents are in another country or are dead or are demented or divorced? It speaks volumes about how delusional you are that an elite Colombian family unit MUST be like the cast of the TV shows Dallas or Dynasty with an alpha male at the head that makes sure the women do not step out of line.[/QUOTE]So, you think you can indiscriminately compare customs and traditions between Canada and Colombia? Well, I guess that is typical of your childlike analytical skills. They do have one major commonality. Both countries begin with the letter [B]'C'[/B].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777536]And there is more delusion. I do not have to see the photos of the women MB has been with because I know he is a player, and the same with this guy FastMDster, but I know you are not because you are too arrogant to learn anything.[/QUOTE]You mean I'm too arrogant to learn anything from [B]You[/B]. Well, that would certainly be true. Because you don't know anything. I'm a fan of the old bromide. [B]There is an Elvis born every minute.[/B].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777536]And look at who your partners in crime. You got JJBee AKA Lebron bragging about scoring a 4/6 woman. Then there is Mr. E who brags that he likes 3/6 women. That is some great company to keep when it comes to getting the best women.[/QUOTE]I haven't ever seen the women that those two gentlemen date. So I can't offer an opinion. But unlike you, both of those guys are straightforward and honest and are not intellectually challenged with egos that are completely unfounded.

It happened. It was years ago but it definitely happened. I doubt the management there want to discuss it. It's risky to assume there is anyplace where criminals can't get to you.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2777571]Sounds like BS to me. For one it would be really difficult to get through security. I was just there for 5 nights and never heard anything about it.

The problem I think is happening if you google the Hotel Mansion it will take you to a totally different place, I know I made this mistake once and it wasn't in a good place. To find the Mansion on google you have to put Hotel M. S. A. S Address is Cra. 43 #2 sur 50 El Poblado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777419]What do you think the words "Seeking Arrangement" mean? (Changing the name to just 'Seeking' doesn't remove the stain) I know, I know, you met your hooker on Seeking so that has to be a repository of Colombia's elites. Elite Colombianas come from familys that would shun them forever if their identity was discovered on a site like Seeking.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=FastMdSter;2737080]Her best friend and sister tell her get a Sugar Daddy and be spoiled and have him take you on vacation. They set up a profile on SA use a fake pic with no face of a brunette, not very provocative, but looks very attractive. As all the profiles she starts getting a ton of responses, most are deranged as we know and she decides to close out after 4 days.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777454] I was at a store in a very rural Texas town and heard two somewhat attractive women talking, and one said, "Maybe I will just get a sugar daddy and get a trip to the Bahamas then. " So it looks like the supply side may be fine.

I am just shaking my head at how open the sugar market is now and in the Bible belt of Texas no less.[/QUOTE]And in response to the above quote, another poster said.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2777514]That's an understatement.[/QUOTE]First off, V, I should apologize to you. When I said you did not have the balls to date elite women, what I should have said is that you do not have the balls AND the brains.

The problem with an arrogant dumb fuck like you V is you make a decision about SA based on words and assume that everyone should go along with you instead of seeing how women actually think. Women trust and do what other women do. So in FastMD's case, the woman's sister got her on SA. There goes your so called family shaming theory.

And they put up a fake pic to avoid potential "scandal". It looks like those women are smarter than your sorry ass. He he.

And the same was true of my gal. She had a friend pushing her to put up a profile because she had met a Spanish guy on SA, fell in love, and moved to Spain.

And even getting just a sugar daddy, that "big scandal" you imagine exists, is being talked about openly even in the Bible Belt of Texas.

And while you and JJBee think you are so fucking smart when it comes to Colombians, and will swear up and down that it is different in Colombia, the truth is every Colombian woman I have gotten to know has friends or family in the USA, and these women talk more about men than anything else.

A fossil like you, who does not get out, did not see when the sea change happened. Overnight around 2009, the hottest women went from the hot guys to the wealthy nerds. It is amazing what a recession will do to a woman's desire.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777419]But the truth is that elite Colombianas don't advertise on Seeking. If they are trying to find a serious companion they would more likely post on Colombia Cupid or Latin America Cupid or some other site that doesn't have the obvious implication of looking for money.[/QUOTE]First off, your butt buddy Lebron said that the women on both sites were the same. Maybe a few are, but the women I saw on the Cupid sites were mostly ugly. It was a bunch of middle age divorcees, but it is more than that.

The real thing with the cupid sites is they are $10 a month versus a $100 for seeking, and the thing is your cheap ass invented the whole scandal thing to compensate for being a tight wad. Of course, women are going to be more interested in more generous guys.

So Lebron was all bent out of shape when I said that guys like you are getting fat and ugly women. You are paying $10 a month versus a $100 a month, and Lebron is so fucking cheap he is using Facebook which is free. The women will figure out which guys are the cream of the crop with compensation / generosity and fast.

Maybe you douches can say the women on seeking are out for money and the cupid ones are out for love. LOL. Or did you do that already? Yeah, the only women who care about money are hookers.

And the proof is what you brag about. Mr. E brags about his average women. Lebron said it with his "solid 4" estrato comment, and now you show it with your dumb cupids comment.

Lebron goes off with his patronizing estrato bullshit, and you lecture on Colombia and its elite, but neither of you ever asked the most obvious question. What estrato was my gal in when I met her?

But I think we all know the answer to that now don't we?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2777742]
You mean I'm too arrogant to learn anything from [B]You[/B]. Well, that would certainly be true. Because you don't know anything. I'm a fan of the old bromide. [B]There is an Elvis born every minute.[/B].[/QUOTE]Nah, there is a V born every minute, and you just proved it. You just showed that you agree or disagree with a post based on the who and not the what. So I if I wanted to I could put up another profile, have that profile argue with me, spout off the typical Democratic douche bullshit, ask you for your advice, make it feel like we were part of some special club that other inferior minds could not comprehend and have you eating out of my hand.

You are the easiest mark on here. I cannot imagine how many times a woman has fleeced you with that type of routine.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2777756]It happened. It was years ago but it definitely happened. I doubt the management there want to discuss it. It's risky to assume there is anyplace where criminals can't get to you.[/QUOTE]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777821].......

You are the easiest mark on here. I cannot imagine how many times a woman has fleeced you with that type of routine.[/QUOTE]Says the man who is paying the rent and expenses of his hooker "girlfriend" and her illegitmate daughter.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777842]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.[/QUOTE]Can you send over some excepts of this or actual proof?

Imagine finding out your girlfriend who you thought you could possibly have a lasting relationship with was on seeking before you even knew about seeking. What would you do? How would you feel?

Well it happened to me 6 months after officially making her my GF. Yup I only found out because I noticed she liked a video talking about seeking. So my gut told me to make an account and see if anyone I know was on there. My heart sank when I saw her profile pop up. I felt disgusted for days and never saw her the same.

I pretended to be someone else to see if she would agree to meet up but she was very flaky with her responses. I eventually got her to tell me what she was looking for and sex was something that came up but she said only after getting to know me more. She was trying to get me to call her to hear my voice I guess.

Long story short I ended up confronting her about it and the relationship fell apart. A part of me still feels I should have seen how much further I could have exposed her to see if she would actually meet up because she claimed she was too shy to meet anyone and she was just trying to scam guys for money. I doubt it. But during that time I wasn't really helping her with money so maybe that's true. Either way don't ever trust these scandalous ass females and especially don't ever take a girl that's ever been on seeking serious.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777842]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.[/QUOTE]I can't see that happening. First off the bar has a separate entrance now than the hotel. The hotel doesn't allow guests to enter and has 2 separate doors to get in. Recently there hasn't been that many people at the bar. I was just there early December. How could you drug 9 guys at the same time when there are only 13 rooms in the hotel. Rarely are there even 9 there at a time as everyone is out & about.

If there is still a dedicated thread for the Gringo Inn I propose this discussion be moved there. I don't know the specifics of the recent reports. I have first hand accounts of the incident of several years ago when armed bandits held up the place and robbed everyone who was present. My advice is no one should assume it's impossible that something similar could happen again. Other than that, as I mentioned, I don't see the point in debating it further here.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2777864]I can't see that happening. First off the bar has a separate entrance now than the hotel. The hotel doesn't allow guests to enter and has 2 separate doors to get in. Recently there hasn't been that many people at the bar. I was just there early December. How could you drug 9 guys at the same time when there are only 13 rooms in the hotel. Rarely are there even 9 there at a time as everyone is out & about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777842]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.[/QUOTE]Any link to theses FB PAGES YOUR reading? Would be great to actually see it, thanks!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777842]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.[/QUOTE]The idea that a guest at the Mansion was scoped and robbed and furniture was stolen as well is just plain bullshit. The security at the Mansion is far too tight for that to happento someone who is staying in the Mansion.

The night club is another story. It is no longer associated with the Mansion: the only entrance is in the street and it is a separate operation. It is open to anyone who can pay the cover and they're not very picky about the chicas they let in.

It's possible that some guy who met a chica in the night club left with her and took her back to his hotel or Air be&be and that's where he got scoped. That's the only possibility.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/505090533291532/posts/1534915396975702/[/URL]

Surely you can search your own facebook Medellin groups and maybe find the same information or other discussions. I saw it in 3 groups now.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777862]Imagine finding out your girlfriend who you thought you could possibly have a lasting relationship with was on seeking before you even knew about seeking. What would you do? How would you feel?

Long story short I ended up confronting her about it and the relationship fell apart. A part of me still feels I should have seen how much further I could have exposed her to see if she would actually meet up because she claimed she was too shy to meet anyone and she was just trying to scam guys for money. I doubt it. But during that time I wasn't really helping her with money so maybe that's true. Either way don't ever trust these scandalous ass females and especially don't ever take a girl that's ever been on seeking serious.[/QUOTE]I would not care one way or the other. You didn't have to give her money so why would you care. Recently I found out a chick that I was messing with was a hooker. I have known her for 10 years and had no idea. The only way I found out was because I posted about her here and some guy figured out who she was and ran and told that I posted about her. She confronted me about it and confessed that she was a hooker before but never charged me anything because I was special to her. Not sure why people run and tell chicks about being posted about here. I guess they are expecting brownie points. They are hurting the girl way more than they are hurting the person that posted.

There may be some truth to the rumor but it didn't happen at the Mansion. There was a guy staying at the Mansion that was out partying on the town that was scoped and robbed. I believe his name was Anthony. This happened around December 29th. I was out at Provenza last night for dinner with a friend and a couple of Mansion girls. I asked them about this and they hadn't heard anything about it.

They got his jewlery, money and cell phone.

[QUOTE=Guillermo;2777910]The idea that a guest at the Mansion was scoped and robbed and furniture was stolen as well is just plain bullshit. The security at the Mansion is far too tight for that to happento someone who is staying in the Mansion.

The night club is another story. It is no longer associated with the Mansion: the only entrance is in the street and it is a separate operation. It is open to anyone who can pay the cover and they're not very picky about the chicas they let in.

It's possible that some guy who met a chica in the night club left with her and took her back to his hotel or Air be&be and that's where he got scoped. That's the only possibility.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777862] especially don't ever take a girl that's ever been on seeking serious.[/QUOTE]Or one that's been a stripper.

I've been a guest at the Mansion dating back to 2005.

This is the first I've heard that the Mansion is not associated with the Bar below? Hmmm.

As far as someone being scoped at that Bar. Never would happen! Your safer from this happening at that Bar then most any other places in Med.

[QUOTE=Guillermo;2777910]The idea that a guest at the Mansion was scoped and robbed and furniture was stolen as well is just plain bullshit. The security at the Mansion is far too tight for that to happento someone who is staying in the Mansion.

The night club is another story. It is no longer associated with the Mansion: the only entrance is in the street and it is a separate operation. It is open to anyone who can pay the cover and they're not very picky about the chicas they let in.

It's possible that some guy who met a chica in the night club left with her and took her back to his hotel or Air be&be and that's where he got scoped. That's the only possibility.[/QUOTE]

Why even post something as silly as this if you have Zilch to back it up?

Why even try to give the Mansion a bad rap? I don't get it. You sound like someone who likes to just gossip.

Yes I defend them because I have been a guest staying there since back in 2005 and I have nothing but positive to say about the Mansion. Just stop already w / the false narratives.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777842]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.[/QUOTE]

"That's the only possibility" sounds like something a flat earther would say. I really hope you are right. I'm going to keep an open mind because I believe it's one of the reasons I've been fortunate enough to avoid becoming another crime statistic.

[QUOTE=Guillermo;2777910]The idea that a guest at the Mansion was scoped and robbed and furniture was stolen as well is just plain bullshit. The security at the Mansion is far too tight for that to happento someone who is staying in the Mansion.

The night club is another story. It is no longer associated with the Mansion: the only entrance is in the street and it is a separate operation. It is open to anyone who can pay the cover and they're not very picky about the chicas they let in.

It's possible that some guy who met a chica in the night club left with her and took her back to his hotel or Air be&be and that's where he got scoped. That's the only possibility.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777862]Imagine finding out your girlfriend who you thought you could possibly have a lasting relationship with was on seeking before you even knew about seeking. What would you do? How would you feel?

Well it happened to me 6 months after officially making her my GF. Yup I only found out because I noticed she liked a video talking about seeking. So my gut told me to make an account and see if anyone I know was on there. My heart sank when I saw her profile pop up. I felt disgusted for days and never saw her the same.

I pretended to be someone else to see if she would agree to meet up but she was very flaky with her responses. I eventually got her to tell me what she was looking for and sex was something that came up but she said only after getting to know me more. She was trying to get me to call her to hear my voice I guess.

Long story short I ended up confronting her about it and the relationship fell apart. A part of me still feels I should have seen how much further I could have exposed her to see if she would actually meet up because she claimed she was too shy to meet anyone and she was just trying to scam guys for money. I doubt it. But during that time I wasn't really helping her with money so maybe that's true. Either way don't ever trust these scandalous ass females and especially don't ever take a girl that's ever been on seeking serious.[/QUOTE]Who cares?

You seem like a loser and weirdo with too much free time trolling this forum.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2778017]Why even post something as silly as this if you have Zilch to back it up?

Why even try to give the Mansion a bad rap? I don't get it. You sound like someone who likes to just gossip.

Yes I defend them because I have been a guest staying there since back in 2005 and I have nothing but positive to say about the Mansion. Just stop already w / the false narratives.[/QUOTE]I posted the link to the Facebook chat when asked to provide info.

I clearly said that I know nothing more than what I wrote and don't know anything--I don't think me asking about this rumor has changed the reputation of the Mansion, Poblado, Medellin, Scoping people, girls, board members, or anything else. Your aggresive response may change your reputation-I can't say for sure-that's not my place either.

No desire to 'just gossip', but certainly curious becuase, like you, I have only had good experiences there, I like the place, and I would hope nothing like this happened and that what I read in social media posts was false.

If anything needs to be stopped here, its you attacking the messenger while barely reading and mischaracterizing the message.

Someone else posted that on Dec 29 a dude staying there was scoped-I can see how when that happened, a rumor can swirl and expand. Again, I don't know and never claimed to know--just asking if anyone else heard or read similar things.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777862]I could have exposed her to see if she would actually meet up because she claimed she was too shy to meet anyone and she was just trying to scam guys for money. I doubt it.[/QUOTE]And you think ripping guys off is somehow morally better than being a sugar baby?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777862]Imagine finding out your girlfriend who you thought you could possibly have a lasting relationship with was on seeking before you even knew about seeking.[/QUOTE]There are sugar baby websites other than seeking and other ways to have a SB besides the internet. If you are going after an in demand woman, there is a good chance she has been a sugar baby. You seem to want women to lie to you about that.

And if you are interested in the nice girls, the ones who do not take money for sex, then go hang around a divorce court. You will hear the same story again and again about how much these nice girls and free pussy costs: half your assets, alimony, child support.

If you really liked this girl and you thought she was marriage material and she needed money, you should have been taking care of her financially. It sounds like you were stringing her along, and she got tired of it. What was going to change after another six months? And why should she be waiting on you versus moving on to a better husband prospect or a sugar daddy? There is only so long these women are in demand.

With a sugar relationship, it is I like you, you like me. I will pay you, and you fuck me. When we get tired with each other, we are done. In comparison, your "real" relationship was filled with pain, judgment, expectations, and lying. All my good sugar relationships Anthony were more fun and more honest than this "real" relationship of yours.

I am not sure you learned anything from your pain.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2778046]Who cares?

You seem like a loser and weirdo with too much free time trolling this forum.[/QUOTE]Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Oh nooooo LOL who hurt you? LOL you obviously cared enough to reply back haha.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2778046]Who cares?

You seem like a loser and weirdo with too much free time trolling this forum.[/QUOTE]Says the guy with over a thousand posts. LMAOO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777984]I would not care one way or the other. You didn't have to give her money so why would you care. Recently I found out a chick that I was messing with was a hooker. I have known her for 10 years and had no idea. The only way I found out was because I posted about her here and some guy figured out who she was and ran and told that I posted about her. She confronted me about it and confessed that she was a hooker before but never charged me anything because I was special to her. Not sure why people run and tell chicks about being posted about here. I guess they are expecting brownie points. They are hurting the girl way more than they are hurting the person that posted.[/QUOTE]Why did you post about her if you didn't suspect she was a hooker?

I've never asked anyone on seeking forums if they ever talked or met up with the girl I used to talk to because for one you wouldn't know if they are telling the truth but also because I just like you said didn't care anymore.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777842]Supposedly this happened a week or so ago.

Its on several facebook groups now.

9 dudes drugged and robbed, furniture and a bunch of stuff stolen from the Mansion. People claiming it happened at the bar-but not 100% sure.[/QUOTE]Sounds like some bullshit to me.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2778046]Who cares?

You seem like a loser and weirdo with too much free time trolling this forum.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised if he's your twin brother, something like 2 peas in a pod, anyway you get what I'm thinking! Travel safe,

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778106]With a sugar relationship, it is I like you, you like me. I will pay you, and you fuck me.[/QUOTE]This makes it seem that women do not like fucking but will put up with fucking for money. But of course women like fucking and they do not mind doing it without the money involved with someone they really like.

I would say a sugar baby relationship is more I like you and you like money. Because once again, without the money you have no sugar baby! Without the money you will either have a normal girlfriend or you will have someone that would not give you the time of day.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778106]And you think ripping guys off is somehow morally better than being a sugar baby?

There are sugar baby websites other than seeking and other ways to have a SB besides the internet. If you are going after an in demand woman, there is a good chance she has been a sugar baby. You seem to want women to lie to you about that.

And if you are interested in the nice girls, the ones who do not take money for sex, then go hang around a divorce court. You will hear the same story again and again about how much these nice girls and free pussy costs: half your assets, alimony, child support.

If you really liked this girl and you thought she was marriage material and she needed money, you should have been taking care of her financially. It sounds like you were stringing her along, and she got tired of it. What was going to change after another six months? And why should she be waiting on you versus moving on to a better husband prospect or a sugar daddy? There is only so long these women are in demand.

With a sugar relationship, it is I like you, you like me. I will pay you, and you fuck me. When we get tired with each other, we are done. In comparison, your "real" relationship was filled with pain, judgment, expectations, and lying. All my good sugar relationships Anthony were more fun and more honest than this "real" relationship of yours.

I am not sure you learned anything from your pain.[/QUOTE]I completely agree the ***** has no morals. I was just too ignorant to not see it.

I wanted to believe something she wasn't and was blinded by that illusion.

Perhaps I could have done more you're right. But I did help her with anything she needed. Bills, furniture, car repairs. Hell even saved her from losing her home one time. (Which is what really pissed me off because it showed she made the profile a few days before I gave her money to save her mortgage.) but she was still on seeking for like 2 months before I found out. We had been on and off in the past and she obviously always came back to me because I was a good provider that she could take advantage of when together. But deep down I always knew this girl was about money and she was pretty enough to get in from anyone like you said a girl in demand. It's not easy now a days to find a "good girl" that is very pretty. Let's be real we all know they know they can use their beauty to their favor.

And What I meant by that I didn't help her, was that before I found out that she made a seeking profile (which was around the time she was going to lose her home) I wasn't giving her an allowance. It was only after I confronted her and she told me she made it because of potentially losing her home and money problems, only then I offered to give her an allowance like a dumb ass thinking that would make her happy, and I did for several months. She was even able to same up more money than she's ever had with me helping her. But like I said after finding that out about her I just never saw her the same and trust was completely out the window. I agree that your sugar relationships are better because at least there is honesty.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778122]Why did you post about her if you didn't suspect she was a hooker?[/QUOTE]Because according to the website's FAQ: [B]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.[/B].

It is not only about hookers.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2778015]I've been a guest at the Mansion dating back to 2005.

This is the first I've heard that the Mansion is not associated with the Bar below? Hmmm.

As far as someone being scoped at that Bar. Never would happen! Your safer from this happening at that Bar then most any other places in Med.[/QUOTE]From what I recently heard, the bar is now under separate ownership.

While I believe that someone at the Mansion could be drugged and robbed, especially if at M2, 9 people being drugged and robbed at the same time seems almost impossible. Add in stealing furniture? The furniture there isn't worth stealing.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2778148]I wouldn't be surprised if he's your twin brother, something like 2 peas in a pod, anyway you get what I'm thinking! Travel safe,[/QUOTE]Lmfao, funny how you stalked me from the Lima forum to here.

I was when I called you out for being a worthless troll and here you are to prove me right again. You're a pathetic weirdo.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2777337]To remind you professor shit for brains, this is what I said. My gal got pregnant and pulled herself up by her boot straps. She got a government job, worked out 3 hours a day, and has been an amazing mother with a child with a bright future. She got a government job, worked out 3 hours a day, and has been an amazing mother with a child with a bright future.

I am not sure how a normal person would go from my saying my gal picked herself up from her boot straps to thinking her family said "Oh, you are pregnant" and proclaimed their love for her and started singing kumbaya, but then again, you are not normal.[/QUOTE]A government job? Raking leaves and picking up garbage doesn't sound like a bright future. From the sound of it, she picked herself by her ankles by acquiring generous donations from Seeking.

[QUOTE]Uh no. I brought this up not you douche, and I was critical of you and others trying to form relationships with lower class girls from the ghetto. In your case, a "solid 4" would you be bragging about not having a ghetto girl for once.[/QUOTE]I've never tried to form a relationship with a lower class girl from the ghetto. Never bragged about it either. I fuck when I want and occasionally report on it, if there's anything of interest. Even the relationship I had I didn't try to form. It just fell together. I leave the bragging to guys who are trying to convince women they are worthy. You got to brag, otherwise cutting off your balls and handing them over might seem like a bad way to get pussy.

[QUOTE]I never said that. An elite for me is a woman that men badly desire.[/QUOTE]So, an elite could just as easily be a girl working the streets in El Centro. Many men badly desire them. Same with girls in casas and strip clubs. Years ago I knew a short, fat ,40 year old black woman that had men coming from all over to try and score with her. I never realized she was elite.

Not too many months ago guys were clamoring for pregnant women. Oops Elite Women. Then there was the uproar over a dwarf woman. Another of the elite.

If that's your definition, I can have all kinds of fun with it.

Have you figured out the problem? A fat, white girl with a nice car is elite in Texas. A 70 year old double amputee who won a $50 million settlement is elite. Any woman who loves to suck dick and swallow is elite.

In Colombia it's easy to find a girl who fits your definition of elite. Of course most of those elites are right in those ghettos. In fact, I can turn any girl from the lowest ghetto into an elite girl, in 2 hours. Give her a bath, put nice clothes on her, fix her hair and nails, buy her 3 bottles of booze, a case of beer and and ounce of good weed and send her home. Every man within 4 blocks is going to badly desire her.

Elite in Colombia is tied to money and social standing. Hang out around Provenza. Watch for the women arriving in the Mercedes or BMWs and you'll find yourself an elite woman.

[QUOTE]I said that I have dated the elite, and you admitted you do not. And you are bragging about having made it with a 4 out of 6 woman. Lebron is major league and big time, and you are no Lebron, Mr. 60 year old in debt truck driver.[/QUOTE]You said you date elite, but you said elite is someone men badly desire. Some men badly desire preteen girls. Some badly desire trannies. Some even badly desire dead bodies. So, no I don't date elite by your definition. I date, or just fuck, women who I desire.

[QUOTE]And are you trying to kill poor Paulie? That thud I just heard was him passing out on the floor laughing at that Lebron James comment.[/QUOTE]Paulie died long ago. An EEG will confirm it.

And yes you are gossiping! This is how businesses are damaged because of some who like to spout off rumours. The Mansion is pretty strict about who they let stay there anymore because of the nonsense. I'm pretty sure if they knew who you were that's posting the Gossip you would be denied entry there as you should be! Not knowing diddly but let me just go ahead and post this BS anyways. SMH!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2778085]I posted the link to the Facebook chat when asked to provide info.

I clearly said that I know nothing more than what I wrote and don't know anything--I don't think me asking about this rumor has changed the reputation of the Mansion, Poblado, Medellin, Scoping people, girls, board members, or anything else. Your aggresive response may change your reputation-I can't say for sure-that's not my place either.

No desire to 'just gossip', but certainly curious becuase, like you, I have only had good experiences there, I like the place, and I would hope nothing like this happened and that what I read in social media posts was false.[/QUOTE]

And here you are posting dead deleted links to this nonsense. Dude get a life. You remind of some gossiping teenager.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777941][URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/505090533291532/posts/1534915396975702/[/URL]

Surely you can search your own facebook Medellin groups and maybe find the same information or other discussions. I saw it in 3 groups now.[/QUOTE]

Hey jbb, judging by this girls pics marianacasta__ on ig. Would you say this girl is your definition of colombias elite or is she basic? [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778283]I've never tried to form a relationship with a lower class girl from the ghetto. Never bragged about it either. I fuck when I want and occasionally report on it, if there's anything of interest.[/QUOTE]Solid level 4 is not bragging? Showing pics of a GF so other guys could see who they could fuck? LOL. Oh yeah, that was not bragging. And Lebron with the great body? Yeah, that was not bragging either.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778283]Elite in Colombia is tied to money and social standing. Watch for the women arriving in the Mercedes or BMWs[/QUOTE]LOL. So now it is cars not neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778283]A government job? Raking leaves and picking up garbage doesn't sound like a bright future. From the sound of it, she picked herself by her ankles by acquiring generous donations from Seeking.[/QUOTE]You asked me why am I am assuming you all are fucking fat and ugly and this is why. Why are you making a comment about her job like that when you know nothing about what she did? Because you are jealous and you say something you know is not true. When you say ranking a girl 1 to 10 is subjective, that means you are not dating a 10. When you say elite status is determined by what level housing the woman lives in and back off once you feel like my gal has yours beat, that is why I think you and know are dating less than desirable women.

And the stuff with my girl is the funniest. I have not put a photo of her up, did not say what level housing she lived in, did not mention her job specifically, yet that has not stopped your crew, Huacho, Mr. E, and V from saying the most nasty stuff about her. And when you idiots do that, it speaks volumes about you all.

And you did try to compete dumb fuck. When I said I was having the best sex of my life after commitment, you tried to do the same, but you missed the key part. The reason I can stay committed to her, the reason I have little desire to stray is because there is not better or if there is, it will be very, very, very hard to find. In fact, if I do stray, I know it will almost certainly be a disappointment and risk what I have. You just cannot just take any girl and match her up to what I have. Huacho tried to pull the same shit with his middle aged hooker. "My situation is a lot like that of Elvis." Give me a fucking break.

So yeah, of course it did not work out. You will lie about why, but I know why. You were looking for different and / or better. The whole concept that there is not better then is foreign to you. You just thought, "Duh, if Elvis can do it, I can do it. "

FWIW, this was an upgrade I did not think possible, and I was happy with my harem, but obviously you guys are not happy with your positions. You assholes do not want anyone to take on the mountain top. You are content sitting miserably on the shelf below and put down anyone who reaches or even strives for the top.

Think that is not true? I told MB he could date the elite. I said that FastMD's woman really liked him when he was confused what was going on. And what did you say?

Guys here cannot date the elite, and THAT is what makes you a fucking loser.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778382]Hey jbb, judging by this girls pics marianacasta__ on ig. Would you say this girl is your definition of colombias elite or is she basic? [/QUOTE]I don't know if JjB knows the girl and can respond but I know her and I've seen her.

She used to have a FaceBook account. I met her through a friend. He met her when she was on a WhatsApp account that would show you about a dozen girls and if you saw someone you were interested in you would contact the lady who owned that WhatsApp account and she would make the introductions. The fee would be a little bit higher back then (300 mil / HR) because the girl was giving the facilitator something like 100 mil and keeping 200 mil. Of course the benefit to the girl was any future dates with that person were now hers and hers alone. My friend contacted her and introduced me. I saw her a handful of times but then she started taking lots of vacation trips (hahahaha).

Mariana started posting photos on Instagram and developed a following. She may have also posted on Seeking or some other pay-for-play venues. She started posting photos of Cancun and other Island resorts. So I'm sure she started acquiring some wealthy clients.

So to bring it back to the questions of "is she elite". No. Not really. She is a high-end escort. She has had breast enhancement surgery but not the cheap sloppy kind with scars. She is stunning and good at "entertaining". So I guess if Elvis met her she would be "elite" because he liked looking at her. But as to reality. She is just one of hundreds of stunning looking girls that are available for a price. She learned that her good looks could command a higher price and so she asks for that price.

But elite? No, she doesn't come from an established family. She isn't a university graduate. So not elite. Just a gorgeous girl making her way.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778382]Hey jbb, judging by this girls pics marianacasta__ on ig. Would you say this girl is your definition of colombias elite or is she basic? [/QUOTE]He would rate her 4/10, or, according to his very own proprietary scale, a girl he would not fuck. Too basic for him.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778382]Hey jbb, judging by this girls pics marianacasta__ on ig. Would you say this girl is your definition of colombias elite or is she basic?[/QUOTE]Except for the shaved and then painted on eyebrows and the boob job she's an attractive woman. I just don't understand why eyebrows are so offensive. Trim, pluck and shape, sure. Wax them off and paint them back on? Why?

Is she elite? I don't know. What's the combined monthly income of her parents? What's her monthly income? What's her education level? Which university did she attend? What's her employment situation?

Attractive women are easy to find in Colombia, with or without eyebrows, with real or fake boobs. Many of them are available for a price. Some have a higher price than others. If they are willing to fuck for money, they're not elite.

I don't go for the "if other guys find her attractive, she must be elite" definition.

Of course the real question:

Has she agreed to go out on a date with you? Because, if she's not going to see you, not going to fuck you, it really doesn't matter whether she's elite, basic, or fugly.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778453]He would rate her 4/10, or, according to his very own proprietary scale, a girl he would not fuck. Too basic for him.[/QUOTE]I understand you're a complete fucking idiot, but I don't understand why you insist on demonstrating the fact at every opportunity.

I don't use a 1-10 scale. I've stated that dozens of times. I don't use a 1-10 scale for women the same way I don't rate a car based upon tire size. Instead I use the same scale everyone uses (at least everyone who actually has sex with women instead of fantasizing about Instagram accounts). I rate her based upon whether I want to fuck her at that particular moment.

If I don't want to fuck her, at that moment, it doesn't matter what she looks like, or how much someone else is willing to pay to fuck her. Maybe I just fucked someone. Maybe I've fucked her before and she's not worth it. Maybe I'm more interested in eating, or sleeping. And that's exactly what everyone does. If the feel like fucking, they find a girl they feel like fucking, they seal the deal and fuck her.

On a different day, I might want to fuck her. I realize this approach only works for men who fuck women and it's useless for guys who just look at pictures and talk about the women they would like to fuck, but can't figure out how to accomplish the feat. For those people a 1-10 scale is necessary so they can at least identify the type of woman they'll never manage to fuck.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2778356]And here you are posting dead deleted links to this nonsense. Dude get a life. You remind of some gossiping teenager.[/QUOTE]I just clicked on it and it works fine and goes to a whole discussion about what I am asking about. You have something wrong with you, chill, dude.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778484]I understand you're a complete fucking idiot, but I don't understand why you insist on demonstrating the fact at every opportunity.

I don't use a 1-10 scale. I've stated that dozens of times. I don't use a 1-10 scale for women the same way I don't rate a car based upon tire size. Instead I use the same scale everyone uses (at least everyone who actually has sex with women instead of fantasizing about Instagram accounts). I rate her based upon whether I want to fuck her at that particular moment.

If I don't want to fuck her, at that moment, it doesn't matter what she looks like, or how much someone else is willing to pay to fuck her. Maybe I just fucked someone. Maybe I've fucked her before and she's not worth it. Maybe I'm more interested in eating, or sleeping. And that's exactly what everyone does. If the feel like fucking, they find a girl they feel like fucking, they seal the deal and fuck her.

On a different day, I might want to fuck her. I realize this approach only works for men who fuck women and it's useless for guys who just look at pictures and talk about the women they would like to fuck, but can't figure out how to accomplish the feat. For those people a 1-10 scale is necessary so they can at least identify the type of woman they'll never manage to fuck.[/QUOTE]Elvis was right when he said you have shit for brains. Nobody uses your freaking scale, because it is useless. I have said this before, but since you have reading comprehension issues or a short memory, (or both) I will remind you. If one goes to La Isla and wants to write a report about it and tell other mongers about the quality of the talent there, one will use 1-10 scale, not your "I would or would not fuck" scale. Whether one had sex the same morning, is tired or lazy, or horny, or got his dick cut off prior to visit, doesn't matter. And it certainly won't affect the quality of the talent on that particular night. Everything is being rated. Cars, restaurants, apartments, you name it. Why would one rate a car based on a tire size? It is fucking irrelevant. But cars are rated on comfort, handling, acceleration, and other features that are actually important to an end user. If a girl is an 8 on a day when I want to fuck her, she doesn't become a 4 on a day when my libido is low. I'm rating her looks, not my desire to fuck. But you won't get it, because you have shit for brains.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2778446]I don't know if JjB knows the girl and can respond but I know her and I've seen her.

She used to have a FaceBook account. I met her through a friend. He met her when she was on a WhatsApp account that would show you about a dozen girls and if you saw someone you were interested in you would contact the lady who owned that WhatsApp account and she would make the introductions. The fee would be a little bit higher back then (300 mil / HR) because the girl was giving the facilitator something like 100 mil and keeping 200 mil. Of course the benefit to the girl was any future dates with that person were now hers and hers alone. My friend contacted her and introduced me. I saw her a handful of times but then she started taking lots of vacation trips (hahahaha).

Mariana started posting photos on Instagram and developed a following. She may have also posted on Seeking or some other pay-for-play venues. She started posting photos of Cancun and other Island resorts. So I'm sure she started acquiring some wealthy clients.

So to bring it back to the questions of "is she elite". No. Not really. She is a high-end escort. She has had breast enhancement surgery but not the cheap sloppy kind with scars. She is stunning and good at "entertaining". So I guess if Elvis met her she would be "elite" because he liked looking at her. But as to reality. She is just one of hundreds of stunning looking girls that are available for a price. She learned that her good looks could command a higher price and so she asks for that price.

But elite? No, she doesn't come from an established family. She isn't a university graduate. So not elite. Just a gorgeous girl making her way.[/QUOTE]Interesting. She still appears to have a Facebook. You just have to enter her name. It doesn't appear to be fake. Based off her stories she appeared to have attended the festival in Cartagena last week. Which it seemed like all the hottest girls went to attend the event last weekend. I only sent her a message but I don't think she's even seen it. I'm sure she gets 100's of messages a day.

What you described is exactly what I imagined. She probably made enough money to just hook with regulars or sugar daddy's by now or maybe only does onlyfans now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778483]Except for the shaved and then painted on eyebrows and the boob job she's an attractive woman. I just don't understand why eyebrows are so offensive. Trim, pluck and shape, sure. Wax them off and paint them back on? Why? .[/QUOTE]That's mean jjbee LOL you are pretty picky haha.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778483]Except for the shaved and then painted on eyebrows and the boob job she's an attractive woman. I just don't understand why eyebrows are so offensive. Trim, pluck and shape, sure. Wax them off and paint them back on? Why?[/QUOTE]I have a chick in Bogota like that except hers are tattooed and they go up in the middle so she always looks surprised. I will never understand women.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778442]And the stuff with my girl is the funniest. I have not put a photo of her up, did not say what level housing she lived in, did not mention her job specifically, yet that has not stopped your crew, Huacho, Mr. E, and V from saying the most nasty stuff about her. [/QUOTE]I ain't said shit and am part of no one's crew.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778519]That's mean jjbee LOL you are pretty picky haha.[/QUOTE]He isn't mean he just has different tastes or preferences. Which is one of the reasons that a universal 1-10 scale is so meaningless.

Nevertheless let me tell you a funny Mariana story.

2 years ago the friend who introduced me to her and I were sitting outside having a beer and comparing our latest conquests. Mariana comes strutting out of the hotel and we both look up and greet her. "Hey Mariana! Como estas! She briefly looks at us and picks up her pace and walks straight out to a waiting car and is whoooshed away. Just a few seconds later another guy that we both knew comes walking out of the hotel and sits at our little outside table. He says: "Oh Man" I just spent two hours with her and I thought I fell madly in love. I was ready to make her my girlfriend. Now I see you guys have all had her before. (How else would we recognize her and call out her name).

My friend and I both chuckled a little and without prompting both said in unison "Welcome to Medellin" jajajajaja.

To quote another ol' buddy (and I think it has been repeated ad nauseum). She isn't your girl. It's just your turn.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778496]Elvis was right when he said you have shit for brains. Nobody uses your freaking scale, because it is useless. I have said this before, but since you have reading comprehension issues or a short memory, (or both) I will remind you. If one goes to La Isla and wants to write a report about it and tell other mongers about the quality of the talent there, one will use 1-10 scale, not your "I would or would not fuck" scale. Whether one had sex the same morning, is tired or lazy, or horny, or got his dick cut off prior to visit, doesn't matter. And it certainly won't affect the quality of the talent on that particular night. Everything is being rated. Cars, restaurants, apartments, you name it. Why would one rate a car based on a tire size? It is fucking irrelevant. But cars are rated on comfort, handling, acceleration, and other features that are actually important to an end user. If a girl is an 8 on a day when I want to fuck her, she doesn't become a 4 on a day when my libido is low. I'm rating her looks, not my desire to fuck. But you won't get it, because you have shit for brains.[/QUOTE]No. I won't get it because I actually fuck women. Apparently you don't. If you did, you would understand.

I've been to La Isla, just a few weeks ago. I had no difficulty writing a review without a 1-10 scale.

[QUOTE]The service was good and the music wasn't terribly loud. At a guess, around 80-100 girls, although at least 20 were sitting around playing with their phones. Probably less than 75 customers. The silicone industry was well represented and I'm guessing an average age older than 25. There were several who I considered exceptional and there was a decent variety, so most guys could probably find a girl they approve of.[/QUOTE]See how easy that was? I could have collected names from every woman, written a paragraph about each and given all a 1-10 rating. Of course, to make it usable, I would also need the work schedule for each girl and her plans for the next 2 months. Otherwise, someone looking for "Leidy, 5'3", 95#, natural breasts, red hair, 3 tattoos, a pierced lip and a heart shaped mole on her left butt cheek, a 9. 368 rating" would be devastated if she wasn't there 5 weeks later.

I've explained this to you 20 times and you still don't get it, hence the "complete fucking idiot" remark. Those numbers are [B]Subjective[/B]. One guy loves silicone tits, another hates them. One likes tall and thin, another likes short and thick. One likes dark skin, another likes light skin. I could go on with 100 more and you will still be incapable of understanding it.

You almost had it figured out talking about cars, but you're too blinded to see what was right in front of your face.

[QUOTE]But cars are rated on comfort, handling, acceleration, and other features that are actually important to an end user.[/QUOTE]So are women. Tire size wasn't a good example, because it's objective, but it illustrates the point. If you rate a woman as a 9, then you should be able to answer these questions.

1. How tall is she?

2. How much does she weigh?

3. What are her chest, waist and hip measurements?

4. What's her shoe size?

5. What color is her skin? Be exact.

6. What color is her hair? How long? Curly or straight? Colored? Extensions?

7. What about her eyebrows?

8. Describe her fingernails? Long? Short? Natural? Acrylic?

9. Number of tattoos? What are they of? Where are they located?

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. If we were talking about cars, you'd get it. You understand that the car which properly fits your lifestyle, image, or penis size doesn't depend on the car some random stranger likes.

As for my scale, your answer to one question will prove whether or not it's used by you and everyone else. Do you ever pay to fuck a woman who you don't want to fuck?

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2778486]I just clicked on it and it works fine and goes to a whole discussion about what I am asking about. You have something wrong with you, chill, dude.[/QUOTE]Stop lying.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2778703]I ain't said shit and am part of no one's crew.[/QUOTE]Not really your choice. Did you choose your own family? Well you can not choose your own crew either. Elvis is responsible for appointing people to each crew, the same as he appointed his unemployed single mom vieja who lives off him to be an elite member of society.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2778446]I don't know if JjB knows the girl and can respond but I know her and I've seen her.

She used to have a FaceBook account. I met her through a friend. He met her when she was on a WhatsApp account that would show you about a dozen girls and if you saw someone you were interested in you would contact the lady who owned that WhatsApp account and she would make the introductions. The fee would be a little bit higher back then (300 mil / HR) because the girl was giving the facilitator something like 100 mil and keeping 200 mil. Of course the benefit to the girl was any future dates with that person were now hers and hers alone. My friend contacted her and introduced me. I saw her a handful of times but then she started taking lots of vacation trips (hahahaha).

Mariana started posting photos on Instagram and developed a following. She may have also posted on Seeking or some other pay-for-play venues. She started posting photos of Cancun and other Island resorts. So I'm sure she started acquiring some wealthy clients..[/QUOTE]After looking at her Instagram I figured you knew her.

I can think of 2 ways a woman, in any country, can qualify as elite. The first is of course if she comes from a top 10% family. A few hundred dollars isn't going to impress her. She's not going to be interested in someone just because they're from another country. Certainly she's not going to accept a $500 month retainer.

The other way is if a girl is able to charge an outrageous amount for her company and gets it. Again, $500 isn't in the ballpark, even in Colombia.

I've told the story before of the Colombian webcam model who was selling dates. To get one required a 100,000 token tip, lump sum, which would cost the guy about $8,000 (and the girl gets $5,000). That amount got you a 1 week vacation with her, totally at your expense and she picked the destination, first class and the best resorts. That didn't guarantee sex, but it at least got you to the negotiating table. Probably total expense from $15-$20 k USD.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778496]Elvis was right when he said you have shit for brains. ... because you have shit for brains.[/QUOTE]I'm looking for something to do in my retirement and thinking about becoming an internet troll. Clearly, you work at this full time. Can you tell me, is it emotionally fulfilling, or do you find it draining? How much time do you spend getting prepared for a full day of your work?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2778784]I'm looking for something to do in my retirement and thinking about becoming an internet troll. Clearly, you work at this full time. Can you tell me, is it emotionally fulfilling, or do you find it draining? How much time do you spend getting prepared for a full day of your work?[/QUOTE]Something to do? Start looking for a nursing home. As to the trolling, you better ask your friend jbbbe.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778799]Something to do? Start looking for a nursing home. As to the trolling, you better ask your friend jbbbe.[/QUOTE]Okay, thanks for the tip. I'm working it out now...it's mostly about engaging your interlocutor with meaningless ad hominem attacks, followed by misdirection and gas lighting? Something like, "girls don't like you because your ass is flat and covered with zits". Something like that? I'm asking you, because you're the expert.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2778721]He isn't mean he just has different tastes or preferences. Which is one of the reasons that a universal 1-10 scale is so meaningless.

Nevertheless let me tell you a funny Mariana story.

2 years ago the friend who introduced me to her and I were sitting outside having a beer and comparing our latest conquests. Mariana comes strutting out of the hotel and we both look up and greet her. "Hey Mariana! Como estas! She briefly looks at us and picks up her pace and walks straight out to a waiting car and is whoooshed away. Just a few seconds later another guy that we both knew comes walking out of the hotel and sits at our little outside table. He says: "Oh Man" I just spent two hours with her and I thought I fell madly in love. I was ready to make her my girlfriend. Now I see you guys have all had her before. (How else would we recognize her and call out her name).

My friend and I both chuckled a little and without prompting both said in unison "Welcome to Medellin" jajajajaja.

To quote another ol' buddy (and I think it has been repeated ad nauseum). She isn't your girl. It's just your turn.[/QUOTE]Hahaha well if she was like that back then, I'm sure she's even more discreet about it now. Do you think she's still hooking?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778496]Elvis was right when he said you have shit for brains. If a girl is an 8 on a day when I want to fuck her, she doesn't become a 4 on a day when my libido is low. I'm rating her looks, not my desire to fuck. But you won't get it, because you have shit for brains.[/QUOTE]Like I said, JJBee and his crew do not use the 1 to 10 scale because they do not want to admit what fat and ugly women they are seeing, and you can tell just by their comments who they are.

And now it is the elite stuff. I said an elite woman is one who is desired by men. Lebron here says that some men desire fat women. That is like saying you cannot tell the difference between a 3 star Michelin restaurant with a 2 month wait and a McDonald's because you know some men desire McDonald's. How fucking dumb is that? And he thinks he is smart with a comment like that.

Of course, when Lebron thinks numbers makes him look good, he uses the scale, the solid 4 out of 6 in housing. And nobody in his crew says shit about that.

I want you to fast forward four years and imagine you are me. My gal's daughter turns 18 then. She is top of her class. She has her mother's figure and is tall and slender, and she works out 3 hours a day, and she is an art whiz and is self taught on the piano and plays very well. She wants to be a doctor and every sign says she has the smarts and work ethic to be one.

Look at Lebron and his crew. Viliany, Mr. E, and Huacho. All this crew is going to say they would not be interested in her because they are full of shit but pretend that they are and you are her father.

Would you let her go out with any of this crew? If she showed up with any of these four clowns, I would cut her off and tell her that she is on her own.

Now I am the step dad and you show up. Do I have any reason to think you would not be a good fit for her? I cannot think of any, and that pretty much says at all. You can date the elite, the 10's, and they cannot, and they do not want to admit it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778812] That is like saying you cannot tell the difference between a 3 star Michelin restaurant with a 2 month wait and a McDonald's because you know some men desire McDonald's. How fucking dumb is that? And he thinks he is smart with a comment like that. [/QUOTE]"I got a 8:30 res at Dorsia" Haha. Speaking of restaurants, I was looking at making a reservation at relato for 2 next week but the only available times it shows online are early in the week. Is it really like that on the weekends? Or do they not do reservations of the weekends and just take walk ins? Of course ill ask once I'm in town. Just wondering if anyone knows?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778812]Like I said, JJBee and his crew do not use the 1 to 10 scale because they do not want to admit what fat and ugly women they are seeing, and you can tell just by their comments who they are.[/QUOTE]Or I could do just as you do and declare that my lady friends are all 10's.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778812]And now it is the elite stuff. I said an elite woman is one who is desired by men. Lebron here says that some men desire fat women. That is like saying you cannot tell the difference between a 3 star Michelin restaurant with a 2 month wait and a McDonald's because you know some men desire McDonald's. How fucking dumb is that? And he thinks he is smart with a comment like that.

Of course, when Lebron thinks numbers makes him look good, he uses the scale, the solid 4 out of 6 in housing. And nobody in his crew says shit about that.[/QUOTE]So now elite means desirable? Is that your new take on the world? Elvis, you fell in love with your hooker. That is a level 1, rookie mistake. Don't feel bad, you aren't the first man in recorded history to think with his dick. Perhaps after your "romantic relationship" ends as they inevitably do. You will have learned something.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778805]Hahaha well if she was like that back then, I'm sure she's even more discreet about it now. Do you think she's still hooking?[/QUOTE]I haven't spoken with her in about 1 year but I think it is highly likely she is still "available". You don't see a bunch of pics with a guy on her Instagram feed.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778496]Everything is being rated. Cars, restaurants, apartments, you name it. Why would one rate a car based on a tire size? It is fucking irrelevant. But cars are rated on comfort, handling, acceleration, and other features that are actually important to an end user. If a girl is an 8 on a day when I want to fuck her, she doesn't become a 4 on a day when my libido is low. I'm rating her looks, not my desire to fuck. But you won't get it, because you have shit for brains.[/QUOTE]Let me try to help you understand what seems to be the point.

I spoke to a bunch of friends and we all met for drinks at a bar in Laureles. We each pulled out our cellulars and showed a picture of our favorite girl. Each of us says our girl is a 10. I'll give you a well known actress to illustrate each guy's predilections.

Mine is: Audrey Hepburn (in her 20's).

John's: Marilyn Monroe (in her 20's).

Mike's: Elizabeth Taylor (in her 20's).

Paul's: Haley Barry (in her 20's).

Tom's: Beyonce (in her 20's).

Jack's: Penelope Cruz (in her 20's).

Jim's: Charlize Theron (in her 20's).

Kyle's: Rita Hayworth (in her 20's).

After a round of beer and a presentation by each of our esteemed monger crew. We reach an impasse. Each guy says his girl is a 10 without question and the others, while all beautiful and desirable are at best 8's or 9's. Each one made this statement.

So who is telling the truth? And which ones are lying?

Are you seeing the point? My 10 maybe your 8 and or vice-versa.

I went to La Isla and I report back to the forum: There were 50 girls when I was there. Five were 10's, Eight were 9's, Fourteen were 8's, Twenty were 7's and the other three were 5's or 6's.

Did that help you? Or would it matter to you to know what I consider a 10? Perhaps I can name an actress or celebrity that illustrates my beauty preference to enlighten you.

You can talk about girls you saw using a 1 to 10 scale and I'm sure that makes you feel like you communicated effectively. But I don't know what you think a 10 is and that makes it hard for me to appreciate what you are saying. There are just too many variables.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2778762]Stop lying.[/QUOTE]Shame on you!

And apologize! I am not lying.

Go on facebook.

The group is called Colombia Scopolamine Victims & Alerts.

There are 3 thousand 7 hundred members.

If you had any level of brains you would also be able to find similar chats in at least 2 other groups.

I am now going to cut copy and paste from the link which is still active and works just fine for people who understand how things like Facebook work. Its a private group. If you are not in the group the link will not work. Just because you do not know how to do something, doesn't mean someone else is lying or doing anything nefarious--it just may mean that you ignorant of a certain thing.

Now, go fuck yourself.

Discussion copied and pasted from Facebook--I took out people's names:

My friend told me 9 men scoped in mansion. Everything robbed. Any news on this?

You mean Casa Blanca?

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It could be. Basically my friend said his cook (who watches local news) said she saw a story about 9 gringos who were drugged this week, everything stolen including furniture. She was unable to provide him with an article and quick google. See more.

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Oh wow.

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Wow, that is a story that we probably won't end up hearing all the details of, but I'm sure interested in hearing the whole story.

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Where?

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It's just horror story after horror story and that's only the stories we hear about.

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Basically my friend said his cook (who watches local news) said she saw a story about 9 gringos who were drugged this week, everything stolen including furniture. She was unable to provide him with an article and quick google search didn't get me result. See more.

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I think in Medellin.

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The stupidity of men seeking quick sex never surprises me.

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Imagine thinking gringos are to blame when a country legalizes prostitution, known for its sexual tourism, and has a saying "no dar papaya". Colombia is to blame and yet they continue to point the finger at gringos.

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It's so ridiculous. The typical gringo is way more reserved than the typical colombian guy is. After a while you really start to see it for what it is. It's actually kind of funny how the Colombian guys scapegoat gringo guys for all t. See more.

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Now I see how clueless you are if you think someone can live for years during one calendar year. You win. Enjoy your false view of reality.

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I was just wondering how someone can say they "lived" somewhere if they where in a place for less than a year.

Based on your reasoning I have "lived" in 102 different countries.

You coward simp, you forgot to delete one of your replies.

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Are.

I stayed in mansion for a few nights. Overrated.

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With the girls checked in with their ID's, I find this hard to believe. Now, the bar, I suppose that is plausible.

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Holy cow!

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What's "the mansion"?

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- Casa Blanca.

Used to be the first stop and sometimes the only place a lot of Gringos went in Colombia. . See more.

Not at all. There's a lot of fincas that are more popular than that one. I just verified with one of the owners, it's not Casa Blanca. There's multiple casa Blanca's BTW.

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- ok then name all the fincas and Casa Blancas or your post is useless.

Thanks for confirming it was not Casa Blanca and if everyone here is not thinking of Casa Blanca then why are you calling the owner of a Casa Blanca? Or did why. See more.

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The ONE finca KNOWN as Casa Blanca by locals which is on air bnb that I have rented multiple times for people and events is not anything some of you are referring to. So this hotel M or whatever why'all are saying is not what locals call see. See more.

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What is Mansion?

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A sex tourism destination near Oviedo where they have about 30 hotel rooms and live in prostitutes, a pool, nightclub, in a mansion-like house.

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No, you're talking about ibiza. That is not Casa Blanca.

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Didn't know this. I meant big house.

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[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

Home.

Hotel M.

[URL]HOTELMEDELLINPLAZA.COM[/URL]

Home.

Hotel M.

Home.

Hotel M.

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Changes names quite a bit.

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Anderson Hedges this is definitely not Casa Blanca. Y'all are getting the names wrong.

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And.

I'm in Quito Ecuador now and the women are different. They aren't all looking for a free gringo ride in life. My fiance is amazing. It was obvious that I was only wanted to be a provider in Medellin.

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I would like to check that out.

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Quito, only place I've seen cops pepper spray sleeping homeless people for fun.

A shit hole.

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T I agree. The city kind of sucks. But the women are much more down to earth. We will be going to Argentina soon.

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We?

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T My fiance and I.

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When I read "Mansion" I thought of Chung King Mansion in Hong Kong, a famous trading area with people from all over world, though South Asian dominant IIRC, lots of Indians and Nepalese, it is fascinating place. Has a reputation of or being dangerous be. See more.

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I stayed at the Chung King Mansion in HK many times and it is not dangerous. I have also wondered into back alley Barber shops and 141 buildings deep into Chang Ping.

Casa Blanca is for newbies and not dangerous.

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The last time I stayed there was maybe 8-9 years ago, but there's no way this happened. In M1 (there are 2 buildings) alone there are 15-20 rooms plus nearly 24-7 staff. More than that when you include other building and people that just come for the be. See more.

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Wow wouldn't be surprised.

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Well I got robbed the other day and guess who's at fault? Yep, it was entirely mine for being careless and stupid. Having travelled the world for decades, I should have known better.

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The mansion is a legendary place that was created 20 years ago. It was probably the number one place foreigners would go to stay in Medellin and get girls. They also have a sister building. The name of it is hotel Medellin Plaza. Or la M or the mansion. See more.

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I just spoke with the owner. He's offering $1000. If you can prove that this happened it is complete bullshit.

Quote" I'm no longer involved in the hotel, but do me a favor, if you can post that the hotel will offer one thousand US dollars, to anybod. See more.

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I wonder if they meant the place for pros and tricks. Or an actual mansion and things may just be getting lost in translation based on who receives the news (mongers or general public).

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[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778190]I completely agree the woman has no morals. I was just too ignorant to not see it.

I wanted to believe something she wasn't and was blinded by that illusion.

Perhaps I could have done more you're right. [/QUOTE]Nah, whatever you gave her, she would have wanted more. Count your blessings and move on. Thank God you did not marry her. You really are not mad at seeking or her but yourself for being duped by her. That happens to all of us. We all want to believe the women like us first and our money second but so often that is not the case.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778190]It's not easy now a days to find a good girl that is very pretty. Let's be real we all know they know they can use their beauty to their favor.[/QUOTE]In the USA, it almost does not exist. That is why I was making fun of Viliany so much. He thinks being on seeking is a big scandal in Colombia when it is now mainstream. I knew these girls who went on these daytime shows to say sugaring was bad when at the time they had sugar daddies. They were also paid by these shows to lie. Hell, we have a Vice President right now who sucked her way to the top. Every young hot girl is or has thought about being on seeking and selling herself.

And like I said, the ones who have not done it are mad later when they get married and things are not perfect. When they file for divorce, they want to be compensated for not being WGs. The reason guys have SBs and hookers is they are much cheaper than marriage, and the government is trying to shut down the P4 P market with this trafficking BS because guys know this to be true.

And Viliany's story about the hooker this guy wanted as a GF shows you how desperate guys are to toss away their monogamy while going for something fake to fit in the conventional world. The default position should be sugar baby not GF for guys with a woman they like. That way you do not get duped. Monogamy has to be earned not given away for nothing.

The cost of an ideal harem, which to me is three high quality women, runs $6000 a month in the USA, $2000 in Mexico, and $1000 in Colombia, and that is why chasing American women IMO is not worth doing. The $2000 in Mexico is in major cities. You can probably get it for less if you go to smaller and cheaper cities. That is why IMO you want to change to a type of job where you work hard in the USA and can get 1-2 weeks off per month to play abroad. And you always give yourself time to sample the new and upgrade your harem. Still, three different women gets rid of most of the need for better and different. Truth about sex is that it is like one in five or one in ten times with a hooker is really good but with SBs, it should be nine or ten out of ten times is good because you are keeping the better looking and performing girls.

As for an elite woman, it is not just looks. Say you have a 10 woman at a bar and everyone wants to buy her a drink. If she says, "I will let the guy who spends the most on me to buy me a drink", that is not elite woman. That is an elite hooker. You cannot make that woman into a GF because the minute someone else comes along with more cash, she is gone. That is why Lebron's comment is so dumb about the web cam girl being elite. What guy wants a woman who runs away for more cash?

Miami Boy got onto me about talking about my woman and you can see how much jealousy there is, but because guys here are so stupid when it comes to elite, I better tell you what it is. I have a group of friends and we hook up every year and one of the highlights was my bringing my latest sugar baby along for the ride. A lot of times there were no-shows, and some of the women would get bent out of shape by the antics of the men. The best women went along with the flow. Still even with the best of them, there was envy about my being with these women for their looks and the sex I had but there was no envy from these guys about the relationships I had with these women.

And there were the women others brought in. We had one type who blabbed on and made it all about her. There was one who tried to turn our group into a therapy session. And we have seen others focus on their previous pain or how all men are assholes and give a lecture on how men should be. Then there was one who did not know what a museum was. No one envies a guy with women like this.

So let's start from the top. I tell these same guys here I have given up my harem. They are all like WTF? They are used to the beauty, the movement, the imagined great sex, so they are thinking what is different with this one. So she calls me one time when I am with them and she is bubbling, charming, laughing happy to talk to me. The guys are like, "My wife / GF does not do that. Hell, she does not even answer the fucking phone. " Even with the ones who do not speak Spanish can tell from her tone how upbeat she is.

She is so obvious to show how much she cares about me but also my family and friends. Every morning she would cook for our guests and delighted in doing so. She would tell someone, "Hey, I noticed this shirt / skirt ETC was dirty so I washed it". And you would have to be blind to see how much she dotes over me.

I said before a true 10 makes both men and women go crazy. I saw a girl want to fight a 10 just when the 10 smiled at her BF. With an elite woman, it is the same thing. A female friend said to me, "Your gal is too good for you", but it was more like, "I cannot compete with a woman who treats her man that well, and I won't. ". She was intimidated.

With money, it is not the amount as much as how some women are never happy with any amount. Hell, some women will even try to take the time you have guests to embarrass you into getting more money. With Colombian women, it really does not cost much to care for them so I do not get the obsession with the amount. What is important is that they are happy with the amount and appreciate you for it. If you got a girl and all she talks about is Gucci this and Louis Vuitton that, no one is going to say, "Gee, I want a woman like that. " Maybe she does not sell herself to everyone, but she is still a ho.

And of course, all the guys who have met my woman are like "I want a girl like that". Yes, it is the looks and way she moves at first, but it is the personality, warmth, and character that drives the real envy. Guys want a woman who is a true contributing partner and not a fucking drain, and how many women are fucking drains?

Thing is I have had to tell guys how rare a woman like this is. Most attractive women, especially those in the USA, have a mental illness or are greedy as fuck, and that is before we get into how a woman treats you. So chances are if you are with a really hot woman and you think she likes you, you are probably deluding yourself. One of the tells is if there is an expectation of money after you have been with her. If not, there is a chance she is into you.

I think guys should have a harem and be happy with that. I was. I did not expect this but even if this relationship fell apart, I would be happy going back to my harem, and I think my gal kind of knows that. Anyway, I think if you go looking for an elite woman, you are going to be disappointed, but if you are always looking to upgrade your harem, then there is a chance you will come across an elite one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2778812]Like I said, JJBee and his crew do not use the 1 to 10 scale because they do not want to admit what fat and ugly women they are seeing, and you can tell just by their comments who they are.

And now it is the elite stuff. I said an elite woman is one who is desired by men. Lebron here says that some men desire fat women. That is like saying you cannot tell the difference between a 3 star Michelin restaurant with a 2 month wait and a McDonald's because you know some men desire McDonald's. How fucking dumb is that? And he thinks he is smart with a comment like that.[/QUOTE]We all know the smart one is the one that said he looked at a gay cartoon character and saw himself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2778763]Not really your choice. Did you choose your own family? Well you can not choose your own crew either. Elvis is responsible for appointing people to each crew, the same as he appointed his unemployed single mom vieja who lives off him to be an elite member of society.[/QUOTE]Trying to change my name my name to Captain JJ now. Otherwise the crew will all have to say "aye aye Jay Jay" and it will sound like they're reciting the alphabet with an echo.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2778867]Elvis, you fell in love with your hooker. That is a level 1, rookie mistake. Don't feel bad, you aren't the first man in recorded history to think with his dick. Perhaps after your "romantic relationship" ends as they inevitably do. You will have learned something.[/QUOTE]I can understand why you think she is a hooker V as never in your life have you ever not paid for sex, but she never asked for money from me ever.

And this happened to me multiple times and I posted it happening with another guy on seeking. It just has never happened with you V and it never will. Every time you have sex, it comes at a fixed price.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2779113]Those Michelin stars aren't earned through an objective test. They depend upon a limited number of reviewers, which means (just like your 1-10 scale) it's subjective. Why do you think food critics so often disagree? The same is true with every type of critic.[/QUOTE]Just like wine. The "experts" can not even tell expensive shit from cheap shit in a blind taste test. Best thing is to drink the one that taste good to you, not because it costs a certain amount of money.

Personally I wouldn't trust any recommendations for a restaurant by a fucking tire company.

I need a 8:30 res at botanico.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779375]Personally I wouldn't trust any recommendations for a restaurant by a fucking tire company.

I need a 8:30 res at botanico.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's just me but you sound so incredibly ignorant. Like you're a troll.

It might sound like a joke but the older I get the more I realize that there are more things to a woman than her physical appearance. For instance when talking about 9's and 10's to me she is directly disqualified if she has kids, large / many tattoos, piercings and lacks education and manners.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2779851]Maybe it's just me but you sound so incredibly ignorant. Like you're a troll.[/QUOTE]I think it's just you that's ignorant, since you seem to enjoy judging people you know nothing about.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779956]I think it's just you that's ignorant, since you seem to enjoy judging people you know nothing about.[/QUOTE]Nope, I've seen your posts. I know more than enough about you to safely assure you that you're a true piece of work with a repugnant mentality.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778774]I've told the story before of the Colombian webcam model who was selling dates. To get one required a 100,000 token tip, lump sum, which would cost the guy about $8,000 (and the girl gets $5,000). That amount got you a 1 week vacation with her, totally at your expense and she picked the destination, first class and the best resorts. That didn't guarantee sex, but it at least got you to the negotiating table. Probably total expense from $15-$20 k USD.[/QUOTE]You have to be a real fucking idiot to agree to this. And being a webcam model doesn't mean shit imo. Most of them are unattractive as the law of averages applies here as well. Plus most of them have copious amounts of makeup, surgeries, and trashy tattoos. We've all seen beautiful women working normal jobs and dating average guys. When I was in Medellin, the hostesses at restaurants were better looking than most of the women there.

Obviously, if you're unattractive yourself and awkward, then of course they're going to gouge you, but $8 K? GTFO.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2780119]Nope, I've seen your posts. I know more than enough about you to safely assure you that you're a true piece of work with a repugnant mentality.[/QUOTE]So you have the same personality online as you do in person? You must be fun at parties.

It's called the internet bud, a place not to be taken seriously and post whatever you want without caring what anybody thinks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778774]I've told the story before of the Colombian webcam model who was selling dates. To get one required a 100,000 token tip, lump sum, which would cost the guy about $8,000 (and the girl gets $5,000). That amount got you a 1 week vacation with her, totally at your expense and she picked the destination, first class and the best resorts. That didn't guarantee sex, but it at least got you to the negotiating table. Probably total expense from $15-$20 k USD.[/QUOTE]You can tell all the "stories" you want here. I'll tell one that happens to be true. This month of last year I did three webcam models, all from Bello. I didn't meet them that way, but one through FB and she led me to the other two. The latter two were completely without condom. I did them all individually plus two in a threesome. Two were confirmed as webcam models as I was directed to their rooms in Strip Chat and I watched a bit of their shows. Prices were normal, 200 mil for the single sessions, 400 for the threesome but that one included two leches. I paid transportation.

So once again, when it suits you you pull BS, or at best some unusual example out of your ass to try and gain advantage in a hooker forum debate. And no, of course, not everyone like you has to pay big just to look at those women, in your case groveling before one running her camera for a year for free with hardly the courage to even ask for your promised pay. You even rented a room from her, then went around telling all the mongers you met that she was your "roommate. " Okay, whatever. LOL.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2778446]I don't know if JjB knows the girl and can respond but I know her and I've seen her.

She used to have a FaceBook account. I met her through a friend. He met her when she was on a WhatsApp account that would show you about a dozen girls and if you saw someone you were interested in you would contact the lady who owned that WhatsApp account and she would make the introductions. The fee would be a little bit higher back then (300 mil / HR) because the girl was giving the facilitator something like 100 mil and keeping 200 mil. Of course the benefit to the girl was any future dates with that person were now hers and hers alone. My friend contacted her and introduced me. I saw her a handful of times but then she started taking lots of vacation trips (hahahaha).

Mariana started posting photos on Instagram and developed a following. She may have also posted on Seeking or some other pay-for-play venues. She started posting photos of Cancun and other Island resorts. So I'm sure she started acquiring some wealthy clients.

So to bring it back to the questions of "is she elite". No. Not really. She is a high-end escort. She has had breast enhancement surgery but not the cheap sloppy kind with scars. She is stunning and good at "entertaining". So I guess if Elvis met her she would be "elite" because he liked looking at her. But as to reality. She is just one of hundreds of stunning looking girls that are available for a price. She learned that her good looks could command a higher price and so she asks for that price.

But elite? No, she doesn't come from an established family. She isn't a university graduate. So not elite. Just a gorgeous girl making her way.[/QUOTE]A lot of these FB girls post "vacation pics" with stunning scenery, something that exists in plenty of poor countries that also have attractive room rates. They also like to have themselves photographed in front of expensive cars which likewise proves nothing. I know casas girls that occasionally post the same, but they never make it out of Manrique or Bello. Why? The answer is so easy. They haven't scored "wealthy" clients. Any average American can afford to take a girl on one of these trips to Mexico or the DR for a few days to a week, and most would be happy to take a modest daily fee in order to take a trip like that. So you, like JJBee62, way overestimate these Medellin prepagos, and that's why you pay more but get less from the same product than those that know what they are doing.

P.S. As has been stated before, the wealthy tend to be in places like the Mediterranean Coast, super hot girls plus far superior infrastructure, food, hotels, you name it, plus English speaking, better educated girls. Or they just stay in South Florida, where the higher strata Colombians go every chance they get, and have whatever girl that prefer delivered to them.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2780257]You can tell all the "stories" you want here. I'll tell one that happens to be true. This month of last year I did three webcam models, all from Bello. I didn't meet them that way, but one through FB and she led me to the other two. The latter two were completely without condom. I did them all individually plus two in a threesome. Two were confirmed as webcam models as I was directed to their rooms in Strip Chat and I watched a bit of their shows. Prices were normal, 200 mil for the single sessions, 400 for the threesome but that one included two leches. I paid transportation.

So once again, when it suits you you pull BS, or at best some unusual example out of your ass to try and gain advantage in a hooker forum debate. And no, of course, not everyone like you has to pay big just to look at those women, in your case groveling before one running her camera for a year for free with hardly the courage to even ask for your promised pay. You even rented a room from her, then went around telling all the mongers you met that she was your "roommate. " Okay, whatever. LOL.[/QUOTE]Just took your testosterone shot did you? Feeling froggy?

What does that have to do with anything? There are tens of thousands of girls in Medellin who are, or were on webcam. What was their average income? Stripchat, like most of the platforms pays out twice monthly. How many tokens are they getting each payout? What percentage is the studio taking? It's not all that impressive when the "studio" is paying the girl 50 k per day, and forcing them to broadcast 8 hours per day. After 4-6 weeks they quit and someone else is using the same dildo on the same bed.

Honestly, you've fucked up the story at least 15 different times. Couldn't you get it right just once? It shouldn't be hard, I've told the entire story 5 or 6 times in exhausting detail. Here are some of the areas where you completely fucked up. Again.

1. I never rented a room. In fact at one point you called me out for freeloading because I stayed rent free for 1 year. Now I did pay the internet and split the utilities, about 250 k per month on average.

2. I never ran anyone's camera. That's not how it works. I did work as a monitor for several models, but never for the webcam model who held the lease to the apartment, or for my roommate. Her boyfriend was monitor for both women. I did provide some assistance to my roommate, mainly with helping her setup for her shows.

3. The webcam model I was tentatively working for and my roommate were 2 different women. I never claimed the first was my roommate.

4. There was no "promised pay. " The original idea was that the model and her boyfriend were starting a studio (my roommate already worked for them). I was supposed to work as monitor for their new models. They didn't sign any new models for 8 months. I did work with 3 different models for a major webcam studio, but the first 2 flaked and the 3rd quit for family issues. In the end, the income was insufficient for my needs.

How do you "gain advantage in a hooker forum?" Is there a preferred parking space, or theater discounts that I'm missing out on? The model who sold dates I've mentioned several times, going back over 5 years. What advantage do I gain by telling about her? I assume everyone already knows there are escorts getting $10 k USD and more per date. She's just an example of an "elite" escort.

I met her once, she was a speaker at Juan Busto's webcam university. He used to have a channel on Cam4 and held training sessions at his offices not far from the Aguacatela Metro station (I don't know if that's still going on). I attended several of the sessions and was even interviewed for 1 of them. You can find the interview in the online edition of Camgirl magazine, although I'm not telling you which issue. Shouldn't be too hard to find. I did it in under 1 minute.

Here's a question. Why do the things I did over 5 years ago matter so much to you? They don't really matter to me, but you just keep coming back to them, as if they have some bearing on the present. They don't. I learned things during that period. Occasionally the things I learned have some connection to current discussions. Other than that, it's just memories, no different than memories from high school.

Except for the continued friendship with my former roommate, I have no connection to those times. I've moved on, done different things, met other people and found new friends. Isn't it about time you moved on as well?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2780225]So you have the same personality online as you do in person? You must be fun at parties.

It's called the internet bud, a place not to be taken seriously and post whatever you want without caring what anybody thinks.[/QUOTE]Yet you are here crying when I post what I want and think of you.

You're a troll. I think that you should be banned from this site.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2780257]You can tell all the "stories" you want here. I'll tell one that happens to be true. This month of last year I did three webcam models, all from Bello. I didn't meet them that way, but one through FB and she led me to the other two. The latter two were completely without condom. I did them all individually plus two in a threesome. Two were confirmed as webcam models as I was directed to their rooms in Strip Chat and I watched a bit of their shows. Prices were normal, 200 mil for the single sessions, 400 for the threesome but that one included two leches. I paid transportation.[/QUOTE]Just some more information on the subject.

The fact the girls were from Bello should have tipped you off. Not that there's anything wrong with Bello, but it does have a large number of prepagos.

The top studios operating in Medellin own or hold leases on hundreds of apartments in Poblado and Envigado, along with some commercial properties used for offices and studios. Of the 90+ apartments, in the high rise where I lived, at least 6 housed webcam models.

I understand things have improved, but 6 years ago the high speed cable internet in Medellin wasn't fast enough to provide at least 30 fps broadcast video, so a dedicated fiber connection was required. You could only get that in Poblado and some parts of Laureles. I'm sure it's more widely available now.

In order to provide quality video streaming for their models, the studios had fiber installed wherever they could get apartments. Some buildings were set up with a bunch of small rooms, where models would come and work their shift. That was for new models. You don't give a computer, monitor, camera and studio lighting to a girl to take home to Bello. Instead you set everything up in a secure location and provide a workspace for each girl.

Once a girl becomes successful you provide her with an apartment. It works out well. A good model will bring in $5 k-$8 k USD every 2 weeks. A nice high rise apartment back then was $600-$1000. The studio takes 40% and pays for the apartment, or 25% and the model pays rent. As the model becomes more successful they pay less to the studio and take responsibility for more of the costs. Of course the downside is that it takes 12-20 weeks for a model to start earning money. Most won't last that long.

Two of the largest studios in Medellin are Juan Bustos and AJ Studios. Both employ around 2,000 models. Juan was big enough he got backing from Cam4 (one of the older webcam platforms) to launch Q Cams, although it only lasted about a year. AJ was big enough to get an exclusive contract with CamSoda. No Colombian models could work on CamSoda unless they worked for AJ Studios, or were subcontracted to AJ. For example, I worked with one of Juan Busto's models who was on CamSoda. 5% of her earnings went to AJ. She was a special case. She had all her own equipment and fiber internet in her apartment. Juan Busto only kept 10%, 10% went to me and she kept 75%.

I'm curious. Why didn't you post about your adventure when it happened? I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would have enjoyed the review.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2780462]

Once a girl becomes successful you provide her with an apartment. It works out well. A good model will bring in $5 k-$8 k USD every 2 weeks. A nice high rise apartment back then was $600-$1000. The studio takes 40% and pays for the apartment, or 25% and the model pays rent. As the model becomes more successful they pay less to the studio and take responsibility for more of the costs. Of course the downside is that it takes 12-20 weeks for a model to start earning money. Most won't last that long.[/QUOTE]Gee, that sounds just like Amway.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2780462]She had all her own equipment and fiber internet in her apartment. Juan Busto only kept 10%, 10% went to me and she kept 75%.[/QUOTE]And so does that.

Hey, Lebron, if you were making so much money with this web cam stuff, how come you have to drive a truck? Is that by choice? And how come Paulie is banging these rich super elite cam girls on the cheap?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2780358]A lot of these FB girls post "vacation pics" with stunning scenery, something that exists in plenty of poor countries that also have attractive room rates. They also like to have themselves photographed in front of expensive cars which likewise proves nothing. I know casas girls that occasionally post the same, but they never make it out of Manrique or Bello. Why? The answer is so easy. They haven't scored "wealthy" clients. Any average American can afford to take a girl on one of these trips to Mexico or the DR for a few days to a week, and most would be happy to take a modest daily fee in order to take a trip like that. So you, like JJBee62, way overestimate these Medellin prepagos, and that's why you pay more but get less from the same product than those that know what they are doing.

P.S. As has been stated before, the wealthy tend to be in places like the Mediterranean Coast, super hot girls plus far superior infrastructure, food, hotels, you name it, plus English speaking, better educated girls. Or they just stay in South Florida, where the higher strata Colombians go every chance they get, and have whatever girl that prefer delivered to them.[/QUOTE]It's always a struggle to find the point of your posts.

Are you saying there are no wealthy mongers in Medellin? Are you saying there are no prepagos with wealthy clients? Are you saying that a selfie taken next to a Mercedes in Parque Lleras is equivalent to a professional photo shoot in Paris (the one in France, not the one overlooking Bello)?

Flights from Medellin to places like Aruba, Punta Cana and Cancun are cheap and someone of moderate means can afford such a trip with a girl. That's one of the possibilities when a girl posts scenic photos. However, there are other reasons.

1. There are several model agencies in Medellin. Models are often sent to various locations for some campaign. You can find many of the models on Facebook and Instagram.

2. Some women either earn enough, or save enough to take a vacation with their family.

3. There are agencies in Medellin who recruit girls to work as prostitutes in other places. Panama, Costa Rica and Mexico are a few options. If you're sufficiently connected with Facebook you'll see advertisements from those groups looking for girls.

4. Some girls have wealthy clients, or boyfriends, who either take them, or send them places.

There are obviously wealthy mongers in Medellin. Perhaps they aren't interested in the Mediterranean. There are also prepagos with wealthy clients, or excessively generous clients. There are guys tipping hundreds and thousands of dollars on webcams. Only a fool would assume the same doesn't happen with hookers.

[URL]https://www.camgirltoolbox.com/highest-tip-myfreecams/[/URL]

Of course, gifts at that level are rare, but $500 tips are common on the webcams. With all the iPhone 13 Pros running around Bello, I'm going to assume the same is true for Medellin prostitutes.

Time for my favorite part. "Questions which you can't or won't answer. ".

1. How do you know how much Villainy or I are paying?

2. How do you know what either of us are getting?

3. The only time I went to a casa with you, a casa you picked because they have the best girls, you came out complaining the girl you picked had a disgusting odor. Of the 3 other girls you've ever mentioned to me, 2 were part of the crew that drugged and robbed you and the last was the Venezuelan street girl who you couldn't get to fuck you, after spending way too much, for any price. Does that sound like the resume of someone who knows what he's doing?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2780440]Yet you are here crying when I post what I want and think of you.

You're a troll. I think that you should be banned from this site.[/QUOTE]Crying? LOL please. You're a joke. You're dismissed.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2780582]Gee, that sounds just like Amway.

And so does that.

Hey, Lebron, if you were making so much money with this web cam stuff, how come you have to drive a truck? Is that by choice? And how come Paulie is banging these rich super elite cam girls on the cheap?[/QUOTE]Why would a gringo in his 60's engage in a web cam business in Colombia (not as a business owner, but actually WORKING FOR a model!) and share an apartment (if I understood correctly) with some web cam girls? So pathetic.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2780153]You have to be a real fucking idiot to agree to this. And being a webcam model doesn't mean shit imo. Most of them are unattractive as the law of averages applies here as well. Plus most of them have copious amounts of makeup, surgeries, and trashy tattoos. We've all seen beautiful women working normal jobs and dating average guys. When I was in Medellin, the hostesses at restaurants were better looking than most of the women there.

Obviously, if you're unattractive yourself and awkward, then of course they're going to gouge you, but $8 K? GTFO.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=VoodooJones;2780153]You have to be a real fucking idiot to agree to this. And being a webcam model doesn't mean shit imo. Most of them are unattractive as the law of averages applies here as well. Plus most of them have copious amounts of makeup, surgeries, and trashy tattoos. We've all seen beautiful women working normal jobs and dating average guys. When I was in Medellin, the hostesses at restaurants were better looking than most of the women there.

Obviously, if you're unattractive yourself and awkward, then of course they're going to gouge you, but $8 K? GTFO.[/QUOTE]VJ, as we just learned, Lebron / JJBee has his own reasons for pumping up cam girls. Paulie's post was realistic. I met a cam girl off seeking. She was hot, good in bed, and then showed a stripper's attitude towards money on our 2nd date, and I cut her off. Second date she gave half the effort, half the time, and expected the same amount of money. She went back and looked at my profile a few times but I was done. She acted like a hooker on a sugar baby website. If I wanted a hooker, I would get one.

So obviously that is not an elite woman and this dumb idea of a woman being in a top 10% family is dumb too. Would you consider a 300 lb whale with a rich daddy an elite woman? Yeah, neither would I.

If you really are talking elite, what should happen is every guy who knows your woman should say, "I want a woman like that. " At first, it may be the surface things like looks, voice, career, but after that, it is how she treats you. Men are treated today like ATM machines and sperm donors, and the women who do not treat men like that are going to be the ones guys want. This cam girl can find another guy, but the same shit is going to happen with the next one.

In contrast, there was this one woman I met in Mexico. She was pretty, nice, and had an upbeat attitude. Things fizzled because I thought the sex was not that great and I thought she was kind of boring but unlike so many other women I had nothing bad to say about her character. I felt like if she met another man and clicked with him she would do well, and she did. I followed her on Instagram and she had a sugar daddy who treated her like gold.

I read a book where a guy totaled up the big red flags against women: drugs, debt, mentally ill, unemployed, fat, with children. When you excluded those things, you were left with 1% of all American women. So add in pretty and pleasant, and that is damned near enough to be elite these days.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2780582]Gee, that sounds just like Amway.

And so does that.

Hey, Lebron, if you were making so much money with this web cam stuff, how come you have to drive a truck? Is that by choice? And how come Paulie is banging these rich super elite cam girls on the cheap?[/QUOTE]1. Who said I was making so much money? All of that's been explained before, probably 10 times or more over the past almost 5 years. If you still don't understand it, I'm guessing simple math is a skill you'll never acquire. However, yes. I do drive truck by choice. I'll even explain why below.

2. In what way are girls who live and work in Bello "super elite?" At most they're making 300-400 k COP weekly from webcam, probably half that. He paid the going rate. Nothing special about it.

30 years ago I was making a good living as a contract programmer. Loved coding, even loved the customer support, hated the managerial bullshit. One weekend took my mother, who was disabled, on a road trip to cheer her up. Conversation got me thinking about a driving job I'd taken temporarily a few years before. Decided to find out if I'd rather drive a truck than drive a desk.

I enjoy it and there's no stress. Just compared my pay with that of a friend who stayed on the programmer path and is a project manager for a tech giant. Gross pay, with over 30 years of experience and 2 degrees, he earns 20% more than me. When adding in cost of living adjustments (he has to live near a tech hub, all expensive areas), I make almost 50% more.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780873]Why would a gringo in his 60's engage in a web cam business in Colombia (not as a business owner, but actually WORKING FOR a model!) and share an apartment (if I understood correctly) with some web cam girls? So pathetic.[/QUOTE]You haven't understood anything, on any subject, correctly. Why should this be different?

Back to the math stuff. You might need a calendar and something to count on for this. Feel free to use a calculator. I'm 60 now, at least for a few more months. As was mentioned, the events discussed took place 5 years ago, to be more precise, from April 2017 until March of 2018. During that period of time I was 55 years old. Now take your calendar, start at 2023 and start subtracting. For each year, back to 2018, subtract 1 from 60. The result should not be in the 60's.

More math stuff here. I hope your tiny little brain doesn't explode, not that it would make much noise if it did. Now, if I had 1 roommate and that 1 roommate was a webcam model, how many roommates did I have who were webcam models? The word "some" when used with "girls" means more than 1. Have you figured out the answer yet? That's right 1 roommate equals 1 roommate who was a webcam model, not "some web cam girls."

Like I said, you didn't understand correctly.

Now, it's time to answer a question with a question. Why would a gringo in his 30's have to travel to 3rd world countries in order to get laid? Why would a gringo in his 30's be unable to get laid without paying someone to fuck him? So pathetic. Fuck, when I was in my 30's, women would come and pick me up, fuck me, fix me dinner, fuck me again, have me spend the night, fuck me again in the morning, cook me breakfast and then drive me back. That is, if I was only in town for 1 night. I often stayed for 2 or 3 nights.

Or I can answer the question another way, but it requires more questions and that dreaded math.

How much does it cost you to spend 1 week in Medellin, total (airfare, lodging, food, sex)? Now multiply that by 50 (I left less than 2 weeks short of 1 year after arrival). Or figure the cost for 2 weeks, or however long you stay and multiply by 25, or the appropriate number.

During that year I spent approximately $25,000 and worked very little, at least by my definition of work. Most nights I spent in a bar, with my laptop hooked to the wifi, watching a webcam model while drinking beer and chatting with the waitresses. During the day I went to Spanish classes, or got to know the city. I made friends with mongers, both visiting and ex-pats, models and others.

Viewed as a business decision, it was a disaster. From a personal perspective, it was an incredible experience. There's no way I would have taken 1 year off to go live in a foreign country, except for an opportunity to work.

Most guys here go to Medellin for 1 or 2 weeks at a time. They stay in the same area each time, go to the same places and see the same girls. Nothing wrong with that, it's pretty close to what I do every 8 months. However, I was able to experience much more. I hung out with families, met regular people with regular jobs and went to places where gringos never go. Best of all, I made some friends, real friends. My only regret is that I didn't do it 20 years sooner.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2780938]You haven't understood anything, on any subject, correctly. Why should this be different?

Back to the math stuff. You might need a calendar and something to count on for this. Feel free to use a calculator. I'm 60 now, at least for a few more months. As was mentioned, the events discussed took place 5 years ago, to be more precise, from April 2017 until March of 2018. During that period of time I was 55 years old. Now take your calendar, start at 2023 and start subtracting. For each year, back to 2018, subtract 1 from 60. The result should not be in the 60's.

More math stuff here. I hope your tiny little brain doesn't explode, not that it would make much noise if it did. Now, if I had 1 roommate and that 1 roommate was a webcam model, how many roommates did I have who were webcam models? The word "some" when used with "girls" means more than 1. Have you figured out the answer yet? That's right 1 roommate equals 1 roommate who was a webcam model, not "some web cam girls."

Like I said, you didn't understand correctly.

Now, it's time to answer a question with a question. Why would a gringo in his 30's have to travel to 3rd world countries in order to get laid? Why would a gringo in his 30's be unable to get laid without paying someone to fuck him? So pathetic. Fuck, when I was in my 30's, women would come and pick me up, fuck me, fix me dinner, fuck me again, have me spend the night, fuck me again in the morning, cook me breakfast and then drive me back. That is, if I was only in town for 1 night. I often stayed for 2 or 3 nights.

Or I can answer the question another way, but it requires more questions and that dreaded math.

How much does it cost you to spend 1 week in Medellin, total (airfare, lodging, food, sex)? Now multiply that by 50 (I left less than 2 weeks short of 1 year after arrival). Or figure the cost for 2 weeks, or however long you stay and multiply by 25, or the appropriate number.

During that year I spent approximately $25,000 and worked very little, at least by my definition of work. Most nights I spent in a bar, with my laptop hooked to the wifi, watching a webcam model while drinking beer and chatting with the waitresses. During the day I went to Spanish classes, or got to know the city. I made friends with mongers, both visiting and ex-pats, models and others.

Viewed as a business decision, it was a disaster. From a personal perspective, it was an incredible experience. There's no way I would have taken 1 year off to go live in a foreign country, except for an opportunity to work.

Most guys here go to Medellin for 1 or 2 weeks at a time. They stay in the same area each time, go to the same places and see the same girls. Nothing wrong with that, it's pretty close to what I do every 8 months. However, I was able to experience much more. I hung out with families, met regular people with regular jobs and went to places where gringos never go. Best of all, I made some friends, real friends. My only regret is that I didn't do it 20 years sooner.[/QUOTE]Do you really think the fact that you shared an apartment with 1 webcam girl at the age of 55 makes it less pathetic? LOL.

Why do I go to 3rd world countries and pay for sex? Simply because I don't want to be fucking girls of my age for free in the States, I don't want to deal with bullshit or get married. Also, I enjoy traveling. Mongering is only one of the reasons I travel.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2780644]Crying? LOL please. You're a joke. You're dismissed.[/QUOTE]You're obviously still crying.

Act your age, you're way too old to speak like a stupid teenage boy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2780938] Now, it's time to answer a question with a question. Why would a gringo in his 30's have to travel to 3rd world countries in order to get laid? Why would a gringo in his 30's be unable to get laid without paying someone to fuck him? So pathetic. Fuck, when I was in my 30's, women would come and pick me up, fuck me, fix me dinner, fuck me again, have me spend the night, fuck me again in the morning, cook me breakfast and then drive me back. That is, if I was only in town for 1 night. I often stayed for 2 or 3 nights.

My only regret is that I didn't do it 20 years sooner.[/QUOTE]I guess you just answered your own question. Seems like a lot of you seem to think we just go for the sex, believe it or not but some of us in our 30's aren't actually broke and like to travel, like a companion to join us on our adventures, but most importantly like our space, like to be single, like to answer to know one and fuck whoever we want. Hell the pussy is just the icing on the cake whenever I visit new places. I guess some of you forgot there's much more to life than just sex and I thought you would be wise enough to know this already.

P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.[/QUOTE]No offense, but thinking the gender of the driver matters is some super stupid macho bullshit. When I visit my women friends, I should rent a car and drive when they have a perfectly good car? Okay, I'll remember that next time I want to waste money on something really stupid.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.[/QUOTE]That was some funny shit. First of all what does it matter who is driving? You go to a foreign land that you have never driven in before and your girl has a car, but you would tell her sccot over I am the man? Never mind you do not know where the hell you are going or the manner that people drive there.

Second, I have dated chicks in various countries that are taxi drivers. Currently a chick I am dating in Sao Paulo is one. Am I to tell her to get her ass in the passenger seat, never mind I have no wish to drive in Sao Paulo?

Third of all, the guy (David Mech) that started the alpha beta shit about wolves admitted long ago that he was mistaken, yet people are still carrying on and parroting his misinterpretation as being a thing.

P.S. Don't pimps get their women to chauffeur them around? Or at least that is how it was in my days of being in the street.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]
P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.[/QUOTE]OMG! What a loser. Talk about someone with no confidence and masculinity issues. Your attitude makes you the ultimate pu $$why! I read some of your posts on another thread. You are not liked anywhere and have no info to share. You are child like.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780987]Do you really think the fact that you shared an apartment with 1 webcam girl at the age of 55 makes it less pathetic? LOL.[/QUOTE]Explain how it's pathetic. You've used the word twice now, so you should be able to explain. Is it because of the age? Is it because the roommate was (and still is) a webcam model? Is it because a 55 year old man shouldn't have a roommate? I'm genuinely curious.

From my point of view it was almost a perfect situation.

1. I had a Colombian native as a guide and interpreter, every day, free of charge.

2. Late night, when I didn't feel like sleeping, I had someone to drink beer with while chatting or watching movies.

3. I didn't have to pay extra for a furnished apartment, pay 6 months in advance to rent an unfurnished apartment, or buy a bunch of furniture. Just a bed, desk and TV.

4. The occasional available apartment in the building would rent for 1. 9 million. My total expenditure for the apartment (utilities) over almost 10 months was less than 2 months rent.

5. Cooking for 2 is better than cooking for 1 and I enjoy cooking.

6. Who doesn't enjoy being around a nearly naked woman?

Of course there was a downside. I could only bring girls to the apartment when she was out of town. That just meant frequent visits to casas or taking girls to Motel Ibiza. Not a bad deal, because the girls always enjoyed the jacuzzi and I didn't have to worry about thieves.

I eagerly await your explanation of why all of the above is pathetic.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]
P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.[/QUOTE]No offense taken. You're quite similar to MBoy, in that you talk about things you know nothing about (for example, the difference between "know" and "no".

For most of the past 28 years I've driven trucks. During my 30's I was traveling all over the continental US, constantly. I averaged 10 days home per year. The approximate measurements of the trucks I've driven are 70' in length, 8. 5' in width and 13.5' in height with a loaded weight over 60,000#. Most housing areas and apartment complexes don't have parking for a truck of that size. Many areas have laws prohibiting entry by trucks, except for local deliveries.

Back then my days were filled with loading or unloading and driving with 10-14 hours off at night. Often my schedule would keep me in 1 city for a few days. At night I'd plug in and sign on, meeting people online and chatting them up. The rest was simple.

"You live in Austin? Wow, I'm going to be in Austin next week. " "Really? We should meet for coffee or something. " "Sounds great. I'll call you when I get parked. ".

Since it's impractical to take a truck into many places, I would park nearby, at a truckstop or in an industrial park (sometimes a shopping center) and make a call. Depending on distance and weather, I might walk a block or two (White Plains NY and Phoenix, AZ), park at the house (Chino Hills, CA and Lexington, Ky), or wait for the girl to pick me up. The 4 cities mentioned above I visited the same girl many times. Occasionally, I'd stay at a hotel. On a few occasions I fucked the girl in my truck.

I suppose, 2 or 3 nights each week, I could have taken a taxi to the airport (although at times that was 50 or more miles away) rented a car for 1 night, driven to the girl's house, did my thing, driven back to the airport and taken a taxi back to my truck. I'm guessing that is what a super alpha like yourself would do.

The funny thing is, you have no grasp of the alpha or beta behavioral patterns. If you're driving someone around, you're being subservient to them. See that limousine? Who's driving, the boss or the employee? See that taxi, or Uber? Who's doing the bidding of the other?

Silly boys like you, who can't get laid without paying double or triple the going rate (and forget about getting laid just because someone likes you), will never understand.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2781152]No offense, but thinking the gender of the driver matters is some super stupid macho bullshit. When I visit my women friends, I should rent a car and drive when they have a perfectly good car?[/QUOTE]Well, now we know why you guys will not rate women on a 1 to 10 scale. The 9's and 10's would never put up with your or Lebron's mooching. Now all you need to do next is sponge off a 3rd world webcam girl like some low life pimp and the internship will be over and you will be a card carrying member of JJBee / Lebron's crew AKA the beta team.

Hey, Haucho, we just learned Lebron's dream year was getting drunk in a bar and watching porn. ("I learned so much" When you have not barricaded yourself in your residence scared shitless of Covid and its 0. 1% mortality, is that what you do too?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780987]Do you really think the fact that you shared an apartment with 1 webcam girl at the age of 55 makes it less pathetic? LOL.[/QUOTE]Did you ever notice that Lebron's classic comeback is "you do not understand". That is classic narcissism. When you (and I) think what he is doing is sleazy, he is like, "You just do not get how special I am. ".

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2780987]Why do I go to 3rd world countries and pay for sex? Simply because I don't want to be fucking girls of my age for free in the States, I don't want to deal with bullshit or get married. Also, I enjoy traveling. Mongering is only one of the reasons I travel.[/QUOTE]If you wanted to explain yourself, then go ahead, but I can tell you that Lebron was miserable living that kind of life. Eventually, a mooch like that is going to be called out.

In my 30's, I was living the American dream and "had it all" so much so I did not even think I had the right to complain. Truth is I was miserable, and if you escaped the marriage trap and are happy, then you have me beat, and you have Lebron beat by a mile.

JJbee's ego is such that he cannot stand anyone doing better than him, and that is why he called himself the Lebron James of mongering.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2781152]No offense, but thinking the gender of the driver matters is some super stupid macho bullshit. When I visit my women friends, I should rent a car and drive when they have a perfectly good car? Okay, I'll remember that next time I want to waste money on something really stupid.[/QUOTE]Yeah I rather rent a car or Uber. But I can see that if you're trying to save money. To each his own.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2780990]You're obviously still crying.

Act your age, you're way too old to speak like a stupid teenage boy.[/QUOTE]"I've had enough of broke boys, I can't talk to broke boys, I can't talk to brooooke boys I can't talk to broke boys, all you ngs make me sick, than I hear real life you're living with your *****. I can't talk to broke boys, I can not relate to ya, I can't talk to broke boys, I can't talk to broke boys. " LOL.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2781200]OMG! What a loser. Talk about someone with no confidence and masculinity issues. Your attitude makes you the ultimate pu $$why! I read some of your posts on another thread. You are not liked anywhere and have no info to share. You are child like.[/QUOTE]I'm active on those other threads where he posts but his posts don't irk me much more than the others given the bullshit I have to sift through from various posters. Coincidentally, a totally cool and sexy chica there drove us to dinner at Caesars, which claims to be the birthplace of the Caesars salad. If that makes me a beta, he can tell me in person the first week of February when I return to Tijuana.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2781166]That was some funny shit. First of all what does it matter who is driving? ...

Second, ...

Third of all, ...

P.S. Don't pimps get their women to chauffeur them around? Or at least that is how it was in my days of being in the street.[/QUOTE]He is the Andrew Tate of the forum. . Plus they drive on the wrong side of the road here.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781275]"I've had enough of broke boys, I can't talk to broke boys, I can't talk to brooooke boys I can't talk to broke boys, all you ngs make me sick, than I hear real life you're living with your *****. I can't talk to broke boys, I can not relate to ya, I can't talk to broke boys, I can't talk to broke boys. " LOL.[/QUOTE]And there you go again acting as if you're a weird teenager.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2781225]No offense taken. You're quite similar to MBoy, in that you talk about things you know nothing about (for example, the difference between "know" and "no".

For most of the past 28 years I've driven trucks.

Silly boys like you, who can't get laid without paying double or triple the going rate (and forget about getting laid just because someone likes you), will never understand.[/QUOTE]Sorry jjb,

All I read was your opening statement and your closing statement LOL. I can't sit around and read your life story. Something about you being a truck driver is all I got, cool beans.

Oh and congrats, you can read still. Yeah I'm on a phone so sometimes words get automatically changed and I don't notice or have the time to go back to correct it much less care to.

But I guess you don't know the difference.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2781236]Well, now we know why you guys will not rate women on a 1 to 10 scale. The 9's and 10's would never put up with your or Lebron's mooching. [/QUOTE]They expose themselves on a daily basis haha. They must have "Elites" like they like to describe, picking them up from the airport LOL.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2781200]OMG! What a loser. Talk about someone with no confidence and masculinity issues. Your attitude makes you the ultimate pu $$why! I read some of your posts on another thread. You are not liked anywhere and have no info to share. You are child like.[/QUOTE]Thank you for noticing that I could care less what you or anybody else thinks, this is pure entertainment for me, and even more so when I get under the skin of losers like you LOL. Obviously I don't care if I offend soft babies like you, the fact you would even take the time to comment on it speaks volumes about your masculinity.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781321]Sorry jjb,

All I read was your opening statement and your closing statement LOL. I can't sit around and read your life story. Something about you being a truck driver is all I got, cool beans.

Oh and congrats, you can read still. Yeah I'm on a phone so sometimes words get automatically changed and I don't notice or have the time to go back to correct it much less care to.

But I guess you don't know the difference.[/QUOTE]It's understandable. People with weak self-esteem and no ability to think for themselves frequently respond with "I didn't read that. " Of course, without fail they show they actually read it because they always include some reply to something they didn't read.

By the way, your phone isn't going to change "no" to "know. " The algorithm doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781323]They expose themselves on a daily basis haha. They must have "Elites" like they like to describe, picking them up from the airport LOL.[/QUOTE]Sorry, this isn't for you, it just reminded me of something.

Anyone remember Viko Zul or the other girls who used to do airport pickups? It's hard to beat having a sexy woman pick you up at the airport, start making out with you as soon as you get in the car, and give you a handjob all the way to your hotel while you finger her and play with her tits, then help you get settled in and fuck you.

Although, I'm sure it's not nearly as much fun as riding in a taxi alone and being an alpha.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]I guess you just answered your own question. Seems like a lot of you seem to think we just go for the sex, believe it or not but some of us in our 30's aren't actually broke and like to travel, like a companion to join us on our adventures, but most importantly like our space, like to be single, like to answer to know one and fuck whoever we want. Hell the pussy is just the icing on the cake whenever I visit new places. I guess some of you forgot there's much more to life than just sex and I thought you would be wise enough to know this already.[/QUOTE]Wow! Really? Are you talking about the things I've been doing and posting about for well over 5 years? Taking women out to do things, traveling places with them? I guess the only difference is I did those things and then wrote about them, instead of writing about them before my ass ever got on a plane.

What does liking to be single have to do with it? You don't have to marry a woman to have sex with her. Women like to fuck at least as much as men, even more if they find someone who knows what he's doing. When I was meeting and fucking 1-3 new girls every week, for free, do you think I was getting into a committed relationship with all of them? For half the period I was still married and everyone knew it.

Of course there are 2 requirements. First, you have to be able to meet and talk with women, without offering to pay them. Then you just need to convince them that fucking you is something they want to do. In my 30's that was the easiest part. It's obvious you can't handle the second part and it appears the first step has caused problems as well.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781323]They expose themselves on a daily basis haha. They must have "Elites" like they like to describe, picking them up from the airport LOL.[/QUOTE]What started this whole thing was when MB asked why guys could not rate women on a 1 to 10 scale. Well, I think it is obvious as to why. I will compliment Mr. E that at least he has the balls to admit he is dating and likes average women. The rest of the guys who refuse to use the scale do not have the balls to admit they are dating average looking women.

As for the difference between regular women and the elite, if you are insecure like Lebron, and have to believe you are the greatest monger ever, and a guy scores a date with a beauty queen like I did, that guy has to be lying and the pic has to be fake which is what Lebron accused me of. And Lebron and the MFs in his crew still believe it is fake.

And when it comes to buying a drink for a woman in a bar, there is a difference when buying a drink for an average looking woman and an elite one. With an average looking woman, it is a cost. With an elite woman, it is a privilege because every guy in the damned bar wants to buy her one so they have a shot with her. So if you say you do not want to waste money on buying a woman a drink, that is fine, but don't you dare fucking tell me you are getting an elite woman then.

With the beauty queen, Anthony, I paid my $80 a month to be on seeking and when the travel ban was on, I wrote her. I told her that I knew things were tough there and offered to send her $40 in advance. She never responded before but did then and asked why I would do that. I told her that I wanted to prove to her I was real and no bullshit artist. I sent her the money and we talked after that, and then the travel ban ends. I see her and bang her and she did not ask for any money after the deed. And I told guys in advance what I was doing and none had the balls to copy me.

So when I say some of the guys here are fucking ugly and fat women and was accused of not knowing how that could be, I think it is pretty obvious now. They are not doing what it takes to get the 9's and 10's and the elite women, but their frail little egos cannot take guys doing better than them. So they should be happy with what they have or up their game, but they need to stop with their egotistical bullshit that they are doing just as well as other guys.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2781166]P.S. Don't pimps get their women to chauffeur them around? Or at least that is how it was in my days of being in the street.[/QUOTE]Not in the hood I am from (Chicago) they sure as hell don't.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781323]They expose themselves on a daily basis haha. They must have "Elites" like they like to describe, picking them up from the airport LOL.[/QUOTE]They do? You realize you're talking to Epstein Elvis, the guy who stated men have to be worthy of women? The guy who's paying to support a woman your age and trying to pimp out her daughter.

Then again, you're Andrew "Anthony" Tate, the guy who claims a Medellin hooker quoting prices in US dollars is just recognizing her worth. Plus you stated a willingness to pay more than everyone else to get the same girls.

And let's not forget about Mami'sBoy, the stud who posts about his dream girls on Instagram who won't respond when he begs to meet them.

Not only have none of you figured out how to get laid without paying for it, all of you have said you need to pay more to get what everyone else gets for much less.

Instead of "The Alpha Team" you're more like the Zed Zeroes.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2781491]What started this whole thing was when MB asked why guys could not rate women on a 1 to 10 scale. Well, I think it is obvious as to why. I will compliment Mr. E that at least he has the balls to admit he is dating and likes average women. The rest of the guys who refuse to use the scale do not have the balls to admit they are dating average looking women.[/QUOTE]I date and fuck plenty of average looking women. As I have stated before, instead of the 1-10 scale you obsess with, I use the 'Budweiser' scale, which is how many Clydesdales it takes to drag her off my face.

I'll admit to fucking some pretty ugly women too, especially when drunk, and a few times even on dares. I focus on performance over looks but I think the closest thing to a perfect '10' on that silly scale was a six foot tall Chinese hooker in Hong Kong. God damn she was beautiful.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2781543]They do? You realize you're talking to Epstein Elvis, the guy who stated men have to be worthy of women? The guy who's paying to support a woman your age and trying to pimp out her daughter.[/QUOTE]If you do not give this points for this underage stuff, he is just going to keep at it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2781543]

And let's not forget about Mami'sBoy, the stud who posts about his dream girls on Instagram who won't respond when he begs to meet them.

Not only have none of you figured out how to get laid without paying for it, all of you have said you need to pay more to get what everyone else gets for much less.

Instead of "The Alpha Team" you're more like the Zed Zeroes.[/QUOTE]You have no idea what kind of girls I have been fucking, and how much I have been paying to claim that everyone else gets the same girls for much less. Getting laid without paying for it has never been my priority (everything comes at a cost anyway), my goal is to have a great time and memorable experiences. After all, this is a p4 p forum, why do you even bring "free sex" topic up? Who the fuck cares what you did in your 30's? Speaking of Instagram models, well, it requires some time and effort, and money, but it is all worth it. I bet your chances of scoring one are close to zero, simply because they are out of your league.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2781543]They do? You realize you're talking to Epstein Elvis, the guy who stated men have to be worthy of women? The guy who's paying to support a woman your age and trying to pimp out her daughter.[/QUOTE]I would ban you for a month for that comment. The offensive part aside it does not make any sense. Why am I paying her mother money and making money off of her daughter?

No, Mr. Truck Driver, I am supporting her mother and her daughter. That is what men do with people they care about which your selfish ass has never done long term. YOU are the sleazeball making money off young Colombian girls.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2781562]I am supporting her mother and her daughter. That is what men do with people they care about [/QUOTE]No. That is what cuck simp captain save-a-hos do; take care of a kid somebody else made in hopes of being in good graces with the single mom. She should be the one taking care of you with her government assistance. Every guy where I am from knows if you are homeless or hungry then find a single mom. Full kid with shelter=Full you with shelter.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2781880]No. That is what cuck simp captain save-a-hos do; take care of a kid somebody else made in hopes of being in good graces with the single mom. She should be the one taking care of you with her government assistance. Every guy where I am from knows if you are homeless or hungry then find a single mom. Full kid with shelter=Full you with shelter.[/QUOTE]Hi value men avoid single moms like the plague (aside from pump and dump) so Elvira must not be a high value man. No non-simp, high value man takes on a woman with a child from some other man's seed.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.[/QUOTE]Doing super beta shit from the passenger seat in Brazil. Too bad my girl is just a normal ass taxi driver and not an elite that I have to foot the bill for though.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2782043]Hi value men avoid single moms like the plague (aside from pump and dump) so Elvira must not be a high value man. No non-simp, high value man takes on a woman with a child from some other man's seed.[/QUOTE]Yeah when I was out there dating I would meet single moms, and they would be like "we're a package deal". And I would be like, "I see the package. But where's the deal"? GTFOH LOL! I'm not about to take care of somebody else's kids!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2782110]Yeah when I was out there dating I would meet single moms, and they would be like "we're a package deal". And I would be like, "I see the package. But where's the deal"? GTFOH LOL! I'm not about to take care of somebody else's kids![/QUOTE]As the great Walter White aka Heisenberg said, "You're god damn right".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2782110] GTFOH LOL! I'm not about to take care of somebody else's kids![/QUOTE]And I cannot imagine how attractive that is to women once they figure that out.

For $200, I bought my gal's daughter a keyboard at Christmas. She ripped it open, saw what it was and squealed with delight. She gave me a huge hug, and had the kind of smile that reminds you why Christmas can be as special as it is. She assembled it that day and played it right then and has played it every day since.

I guess that pales in comparison to other Hi (not high) value men who would have spent that money on booze, broads, gambling, or cigars. I am so low value / sarc.

When you are in a bar, it is a cost to buy a 5 a drink. With a 10 it is a privilege because everyone in the bar wants to buy her a drink.

And the same is true with a kid. With a brat, it is a cost caring for them. With a good kid, it is an honor.

But given the trash you guys hang around, I am not sure you have ever seen a 10 or a good kid for that matter.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781051]I guess you just answered your own question. Seems like a lot of you seem to think we just go for the sex, believe it or not but some of us in our 30's aren't actually broke and like to travel, like a companion to join us on our adventures, but most importantly like our space, like to be single, like to answer to know one and fuck whoever we want. Hell the pussy is just the icing on the cake whenever I visit new places. I guess some of you forgot there's much more to life than just sex and I thought you would be wise enough to know this already.

P. S: no offence jbb but I'd never let a girl I'm fucking drive me around, that is some super beta shit.[/QUOTE]You sound like a beta and a simp, no wonder you struggle to get ass.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776555]
So my gal is pregnant at 19, has her kid at 20, and she has had help from her family. [B]The baby daddy is scum[/B] but his parents actually helped out. Still, most of the job of being a parent was on her, and she has no pie in the sky idea about being a mother and having a family and what the man's job is. If he is a nice guy and provider, she is going to appreciate that because it is better than what she had, and her daughter is old enough now to appreciate it too.
[/QUOTE]You have mentioned ad nauseum that "your girl" was an elite. Let's analyze that for just a second, shall we? In Latin America (and other places around the world) girls from elite families live in upscale neighborhoods, they go to private schools or perhaps top-notch public schools. They date boys who come from similar backgrounds and also go to the best schools.

So your girl got knocked up at 19 by a boy whom you affectionately call "scum", and she wasn't even smart enough to avoid getting pregnant and her top notch judgement was vindicated by the fact that the boy left her for greener pastures.

You have also said she pulled her self up by her bra-straps and posted her availability to trade some of her lady parts for some rent money. Yeah, she found her dream boy. A dumb Elvis with no education to speak of, fat and slovenly but enough money to pay her bills.

OK I'm convinced. That is one elite woman if ever there was one.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2782187]So your girl got knocked up at 19 by a boy whom you affectionately call "scum", and she wasn't even smart enough to avoid getting pregnant and her top notch judgement was vindicated by the fact that the boy left her for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a 10 to me. Huge fuckin eye roll.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2782159]For $200, I bought my gal's daughter a keyboard at Christmas. She ripped it open, saw what it was and squealed with delight. She gave me a huge hug, and had the kind of smile that reminds you why Christmas can be as special as it is. She assembled it that day and played it right then and has played it every day since. I guess that pales in comparison to other Hi (not high) value men who would have spent that money on booze, broads, gambling, or cigars. But given the trash you guys hang around, I am not sure you have ever seen a 10 or a good kid for that matter.[/QUOTE]Life isn't always either or my friend. There's always plenty of other choices and things going on in between. And you don't know where I've been or whose kids I've seen. You do you (I don't believe that equates to being a "beta" or a "cuck" by the way). And I'll do me.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2781561]You have no idea what kind of girls I have been fucking, and how much I have been paying to claim that everyone else gets the same girls for much less.[/QUOTE]Of course not. You never post that you do anything. All you post is silly bullshit insisting everyone use the same 1-10 scale you use.

[QUOTE][B]Getting laid without paying for it has never been my priority[/B][/QUOTE]Damn. I struck a nerve there.

It varies, but for most men, once puberty hits getting laid is a priority. Pretty soon, for most, it becomes a top priority. Can't say I've ever heard of a man who decided to just wait until he could afford to pay to get laid. You should sell that script to the Hallmark channel.

[QUOTE](everything comes at a cost anyway),[/QUOTE]Sure. If you assume that the time it takes to talk with a woman is a cost. Although, come to think of it, there were plenty of times when even that wasn't needed.

[QUOTE]my goal is to have a great time and memorable experiences.[/QUOTE]Isn't that everyone's goal? I've talked with a lot of mongers. Not one has claimed they are looking to have a mediocre time and boring experiences.

[QUOTE]After all, this is a p4 p forum, why do you even bring "free sex" topic up? Who the fuck cares what you did in your 30's?[/QUOTE]Why did you, a few weeks ago, bring up your discussion of the kind of sex older mongers are having? If at your age you have such an advantage, why not exploit it and get the free pussy. You should be able to walk into any store or restaurant and walk out with 2 or 3 numbers of regular girls who would love a date with you.

Why does the free sex topic come up every week? I'm not the first to mention it.

[QUOTE]Speaking of Instagram models, well, it requires some time and effort, and money, but it is all worth it. I bet your chances of scoring one are close to zero, simply because they are out of your league.[/QUOTE]I just love it when someone says "I bet. " I especially love it because the kind of people who say "I bet" won't take a bet when I offer one. Here's the bet: If I score an Instagram model on my next Medellin trip, I win. If not, I lose. The bet is $1000. To qualify, the Instagram model needs a minimum of 10 k followers. I've already scored one with 6,000.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2781562]I would ban you for a month for that comment. The offensive part aside it does not make any sense. Why am I paying her mother money and making money off of her daughter?

No, Mr. Truck Driver, I am supporting her mother and her daughter. That is what men do with people they care about which your selfish ass has never done long term. YOU are the sleazeball making money off young Colombian girls.[/QUOTE]You're the guy going on about a girl still 4 years short of her 18th birthday having her mother's curves and being a perfect 10. The 1-10 scale is nothing except a rating of a woman's sexual desirability. Then you took it a step farther, claiming that acting as a stepfather, you would have no problems with her going out with Mami'sBoy, a *****monger. If you said it, why do you find it offensive?

As for your makes no sense question, there was a guy named Jake who had a similar plan. Perhaps you've heard how that turned out.

Selfish? Me? Last year you were complaining that I was being to frivolous taking girls out to dinner.

No, that's not what men do. What men do, when they find someone they want to support, they put a ring on it, and adopt the kid. At the very least they register a domestic partnership. Been there, done that.

How am I making money off Colombian girls? Just a few days ago you were blowing about me working for free for Colombian girls. I wouldn't really call them young either. My roommate was 26. Only 1 model I worked with was under 24 and she was 20.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2782159]And I cannot imagine how attractive that is to women once they figure that out.

For $200, I bought my gal's daughter a keyboard at Christmas. She ripped it open, saw what it was and squealed with delight. She gave me a huge hug, and had the kind of smile that reminds you why Christmas can be as special as it is. She assembled it that day and played it right then and has played it every day since.

I guess that pales in comparison to other Hi (not high) value men who would have spent that money on booze, broads, gambling, or cigars. I am so low value / sarc.

When you are in a bar, it is a cost to buy a 5 a drink. With a 10 it is a privilege because everyone in the bar wants to buy her a drink.

And the same is true with a kid. With a brat, it is a cost caring for them. With a good kid, it is an honor.

But given the trash you guys hang around, I am not sure you have ever seen a 10 or a good kid for that matter.[/QUOTE]If I was looking for a wife, and the woman had children, I would evaluate the woman as my partner, and as a mother. I would also evaluate the kids. If I'm looking for someone to fuck on a regular basis, I might support them, but not her kids. The kids need someone who has committed to be there, not someone who shows up every 2 months, keeps the mother from being with her kids and leaves some money.

I'll ask again, because you can't seem to grasp how to answer.

1. What trash are we hanging out with? First she was "cute", then she was "fat and ugly" and now she's "trash. " Is it any wonder everyone thinks your 1-10 scale is useless bullshit?

2. What makes you think none of us have seen a good kid? First thing, in Colombia we're not hanging out with kids. We're there to fuck women. If you're hanging out with kids while fucking their mother, you've got serious problems.

3. Why would you buy a 5 a drink? And why buy a 10 a drink? If everyone else is buying her drinks, you talk her into sharing with you while you laugh at all the guys lining up to buy her drinks. Then you take her home.

For Christmas I spent $250 making my girl's grandmothers shower wheelchair accessible. She didn't squeal, but she did hug me. You bought a $200 keyboard and I'm selfish? You can't get a halfway decent one without spending $500 or more. If you want to brag about it, buy a good one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782088]Doing super beta shit from the passenger seat in Brazil. Too bad my girl is just a normal ass taxi driver and not an elite that I have to foot the bill for though.[/QUOTE]It's important to check fluid levels.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2782159]When you are in a bar, it is a cost to buy a 5 a drink. With a 10 it is a privilege because everyone in the bar wants to buy her a drink.[/QUOTE]I believe Dave Chapelle captured the essence of Elvis when he said about Herschel Walker, 'the man is [B]observably[/B] stupid. '.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776555]Yeah, and to clarify that Anthony, it means making me feel good in every phase of my life if I am paying the bills. Yes, sexually, it means satisfying me however it means making me feel better in every aspect of my life. That means enhancing relationships with acquaintances, friends, and family. It means when I come home that I want to go in the house versus standing outside of it. It means when I am done talking to you I am smiling happy that I called you. It means being open to having fun when I need to have fun. And for the most part, home will be a sanctuary from stress and not a place with constant drama. They actually had articles in the 50's for women about how to care for their man. Now it is women deserve everything.

You would think that I would after all these years be able to pick out a guy who had the above situation, and I cannot. Chris Rock made a joke about this and said every married man here gets the same lousy ass blowjob. It is three licks and the woman says, "Is it hard yet? Put it in. I got laundry to do. " Yes, it is funny because it is true, but his solution was worse. If your job in the band is to play the tambourine, you just smile, be happy, and play the shit out of it. I think your generation is seeing that if you are paying for the whole band, then fuck just playing the tambourine.

My response and yours Anthony is then I will not form a band but just pay for one myself where I can be the star, and it is a lot cheaper and more satisfying. And that is what I meant by thinking no one would ever meet my criteria. I thought no one woman could best the concept of a harem because in my harem when a woman does nor perform, and they almost always do not perform over time, I just replace her, and usually it is almost always an upgrade at least for a while. If you do find a woman who can best a harem, then lock her up because even in Colombia, they are not easy to find.[/QUOTE]Blah blah blah, useless Epstein babble.

[QUOTE]JJbee AKA professor shit for brains was flat out lying when he said single moms cannot be part of the elite, and the reason he said that is he cannot date the elite. What woman is going to commit herself to an in debt, unhealthy, 60 year old truck driver? They have no future with him and if he had any brains, he would not even think about long term with any woman.[/QUOTE]They're trading pussy for money. There's no commitment. If you are willing to pay for the pussy that's all the commitment needed.

I am 60, I do drive a truck. I'm not in debt and my health is quite good. A few minor issues, easily controlled with medication. I can still put in a 70 hour week in 4 1/2 days, every week. Anytime you're ready I'll take you on a walk and we'll see who taps out first.

[QUOTE]But I am glad he brought it up because I talked to my woman about this single mom issue in Colombia, and she told me single motherhood is very, very common in Colombia, so I googled the number and 84% of the kids in Colombia are born out of wedlock. Can you believe that? 84 fucking percent! That sucks for the women, and it says horrible things about Colombian men, but it is great for us.[/QUOTE]Roughly 80% of Colombians live in estrato 1, 2 or 3 neighborhoods. Take a guess where almost all of those single mothers live.

[QUOTE]So my gal is pregnant at 19, has her kid at 20, and she has had help from her family. The baby daddy is scum but his parents actually helped out. Still, most of the job of being a parent was on her, and she has no pie in the sky idea about being a mother and having a family and what the man's job is. If he is a nice guy and provider, she is going to appreciate that because it is better than what she had, and her daughter is old enough now to appreciate it too.[/QUOTE]How do you know he's scum? She picked him. Either she prefers scum, which explains her current situation, or she's a lousy judge of character.

[QUOTE]Thing is how many women are there out there who look like her, really appreciate a man, and how do you find them? I am sure there are more, and I do not know where you find them, but I guarantee you that it is not going to be in the slums where women have no concept of a long term relationship. And if you cannot find a woman like mine, and it is not easy to find one, then by all means, stick with your harem.[/QUOTE]Your girl came from the slums. It's easy to find girls like that. Okay not that easy. By the time they get to 34 years old, they've already gotten a situation and aren't settling for desperate gringos on Seeking. It's easy to find much younger girls, many who were smart enough to avoid getting pregnant.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2776555]I talked to my woman about this single mom issue in Colombia, and she told me single motherhood is very, very common in Colombia, so I googled the number and 84% of the kids in Colombia are born out of wedlock. Can you believe that? 84 fucking percent! That sucks for the women, and it says horrible things about Colombian men, but it is great for us.[/QUOTE]Why weren't you more specific by asking about single motherhood in the elite class that she is from? See we all know that single motherhood is common in Colombia amongst the common folk. The argument was about single motherhood in elite circles that you say your girl is from.

I actually see the 84% as saying a lot about the women. Like why are they choosing to get knocked up by a dude that is not their husband? Are they really that stupid? They saw Barbara get knocked up and the guy was gone. They watched Ann get knocked up and the guy is gone. Now they get knocked up and expect the guy to stay?

I guess that is the same as the many mongers that get involved with hookers and swear my hooker would not do me the same as the other hookers do those other guys. My hooker is different and elite.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782338]Of course not. You never post that you do anything. All you post is silly bullshit insisting everyone use the same 1-10 scale you use.

Damn. I struck a nerve there.

It varies, but for most men, once puberty hits getting laid is a priority. Pretty soon, for most, it becomes a top priority. Can't say I've ever heard of a man who decided to just wait until he could afford to pay to get laid. You should sell that script to the Hallmark channel.

Sure. If you assume that the time it takes to talk with a woman is a cost. Although, come to think of it, there were plenty of times when even that wasn't needed.

Isn't that everyone's goal? I've talked with a lot of mongers. Not one has claimed they are looking to have a mediocre time and boring experiences.

Why did you, a few weeks ago, bring up your discussion of the kind of sex older mongers are having? If at your age you have such an advantage, why not exploit it and get the free pussy. You should be able to walk into any store or restaurant and walk out with 2 or 3 numbers of regular girls who would love a date with you.

Why does the free sex topic come up every week? I'm not the first to mention it.

I just love it when someone says "I bet. " I especially love it because the kind of people who say "I bet" won't take a bet when I offer one. Here's the bet: If I score an Instagram model on my next Medellin trip, I win. If not, I lose. The bet is $1000. To qualify, the Instagram model needs a minimum of 10 k followers. I've already scored one with 6,000.[/QUOTE]I won't take your bet because it is a stupid one. You want me to pay you $1000 if you score an Instagram model. Okay, but how do I know you scored her? Unless you videotape everything. Scoring an insta model is relatively easy if you throw a crazy amount of money at her. How about $500/ HR everything covered? That's over 2 million COP. Almost any girl would accept that. You pay her $500 and you keep another $500, sweet deal, isn't it? Heck, even if you pay her $1000 and don't make any money off this bet, it is still a sweet deal for you because you will be fucking a model on my dime. How about I pay you $100 if you score one? Huh? The bet is not so sweet any more, right?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2782233]Life isn't always either or my friend. There's always plenty of other choices and things going on in between. And you don't know where I've been or whose kids I've seen. You do you (I don't believe that equates to being a "beta" or a "cuck" by the way). And I'll do me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but you are hanging around the trash that is piling on Cane, and you are identifying yourself with them. LuvMexicans is a troll who has never been to Colombia. Viliany spins these crazy delusional fantasies. Huacho has said treating a 5 and 10 in the bar the same is "observably stupid".

In a rare moment of truth, JJBee said the photos of women I have had are meant to be intimidating. None of their photos have intimidated me.

JJBee asked me how I knew other men were fucking fat and ugly women. First off, if you are intimidated by my women, that is a clue. With Huacho, I knew before he posted that he admitted fucking ugly women of the type he ran with. It was easy because he is a fucking coward. He is not going to take the financial and emotional risk to get a 10.

Viliany's is a delusional narcissist who also cannot handle rejection. A 10 that rejects him instantly becomes a 5. And a 5 on his arm instantly becomes a 10. He cannot tell the difference between the truth and what he wants to be true, and it is fun watching him confuse the two. I tell him that he does not have an objective bone in his body, and he keeps proving me right.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782347]
Why would you buy a 5 a drink? And why buy a 10 a drink? If everyone else is buying her drinks, you talk her into sharing with you while you laugh at all the guys lining up to buy her drinks. Then you take her home.
[/QUOTE]And this is the king of the losers right here. Don't you wish this were true? Don't you want that guy to be you? The problem is Lebron here just admitted that rating women is subjective and what he really meant by that is like Viliany any woman on his arm is a 10, and any on yours is a 5.

And if the goal is to fuck a 10, why not just pay a hooker? Even if you bang her, is banging a drunk 10 better? Blah. Give me the hooker any day.

Of course, even their fantasies show how fucked in the head they are. The real fantasy should be having a 10 fall for you and trust you and want to suck your dick and fuck you day and night, and if this is your fantasy, just fucking a 10, it just tells me you have not had one.

You were just on seeking a month, scored once, and quit right? Try being on it for years: spending the money, getting blown off on dates, being lied to or led on, the time wasted, the lack of consistent effort. It is not easy finding a gem, and it is a helluva lot easier and cheaper just saying your 5 is a 10. My question to you Cane: is that what you are doing too?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2782159]And I cannot imagine how attractive that is to women once they figure that out.

For $200, I bought my gal's daughter a keyboard at Christmas. She ripped it open, saw what it was and squealed with delight. She gave me a huge hug, and had the kind of smile that reminds you why Christmas can be as special as it is. She assembled it that day and played it right then and has played it every day since.

I guess that pales in comparison to other Hi (not high) value men who would have spent that money on booze, broads, gambling, or cigars. I am so low value / sarc.

When you are in a bar, it is a cost to buy a 5 a drink. With a 10 it is a privilege because everyone in the bar wants to buy her a drink.

And the same is true with a kid. With a brat, it is a cost caring for them. With a good kid, it is an honor.

But given the trash you guys hang around, I am not sure you have ever seen a 10 or a good kid for that matter.[/QUOTE]Not sure how or why this discussion started and it doesn't matter. All I can say is that this little girl will remember that moment of joy and you and your gift forever. There is nothing like the look of joy and happiness in a little kid. We all know that life is not all roses so why not make someone who is still young and innocent happy! Good for you E. At least in this case.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2782223]That sounds like a 10 to me. Huge fuckin eye roll.[/QUOTE]Luvmudd good to see you are still positive as usual and stalking Elvis. I doubt you have ever been to MDE you are way to cheap.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2782518]Luvmudd good to see you are still positive as usual and stalking Elvis. I doubt you have ever been to MDE you are way to cheap.[/QUOTE]Girlfriend has come to support girlfriend I see. Elvira tries to convince everyone his single mom puta is a 10 and you're a compulsive liar who's the clown that said in one post he lived in Ukraine three times and in another post you claimed you lived there twice. Who the fuck confuses the number of times they lived in a foreign country? Only liars do such as you.

It's not a 'privilege' to buy anybody a drink. It might be a kindness, it might be an investment, it might just be your shout, but anyone who thinks it is a 'privilege' to buy any person of any gender of any level of attractiveness a drink is observably stupid. I've known mongers to buy cars for hookers (or motos ja ja Osteo) and that is also observably stupid.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2782455] Huacho has said treating a 5 and 10 in the bar the same is "observably stupid".[/QUOTE]No, I said [B]you[/B] are observably stupid. The post I quoted was just an example of your routine illogical stupidity. Has anyone seen you and Herschel in the same room lately?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782352]Roughly 80% of Colombians live in estrato 1, 2 or 3 neighborhoods. Take a guess where almost all of those single mothers live. Your girl came from the slums.[/QUOTE]LOL. Was it 1, 2, or 3? I guess it does not matter as long as it was lower than your GF's 4. When you and Viliany engage in your mental masturbation like this, do you guys jerk each other off?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782352]For Christmas I spent $250 making my girl's grandmothers shower wheelchair accessible. She didn't squeal, but she did hug me.[/QUOTE]So now spending money on a woman and her family is cool and a guy is not a sucker for doing so? LOL, Well, at least you are consistent Lebron, a consistent narcissist.

And the bet with MB? Shit, if we hang around long enough, my guess is you are going to be making jokes about your dick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782412]Why weren't you more specific by asking about single motherhood in the elite class that she is from?[/QUOTE]Because I am enjoying the stories you losers make up about her to feel better about yourselves. You guys are so desperate to think your 5's are cheaper and better than her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782412]See we all know that single motherhood is common in Colombia amongst the common folk. The argument was about single motherhood in elite circles that you say your girl is from.[/QUOTE]And now we all "know" that the elite girls go to Mexico when they get pregnant like Monarch butterflies in the winter.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782412]I actually see the 84% as saying a lot about the women. Like why are they choosing to get knocked up by a dude that is not their husband? Are they really that stupid?[/QUOTE]Actually, I think this says a lot about you. Was your mother stupid having you? You think a woman is smart who kills her kid versus having it? Unreal.

And you and V were perfect at 19 with making decisions?

It is fun watching all this bullshit flow.

If it makes you feel any better, there is no difference between a 5 and 10 after a 12 pack. Ask Huacho. He knows.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782432]I won't take your bet because it is a stupid one. You want me to pay you $1000 if you score an Instagram model. Okay, but how do I know you scored her? Unless you videotape everything. Scoring an insta model is relatively easy if you throw a crazy amount of money at her. How about $500/ HR everything covered? That's over 2 million COP. Almost any girl would accept that. You pay her $500 and you keep another $500, sweet deal, isn't it? Heck, even if you pay her $1000 and don't make any money off this bet, it is still a sweet deal for you because you will be fucking a model on my dime. How about I pay you $100 if you score one? Huh? The bet is not so sweet any more, right?[/QUOTE]You truly lived up to your Mami'sBoy name there. First you bet that I can't score an Instagram chick, because they're out of my league, then you won't take the bet because I can easily score an Instagram chick.

Oh wait. I see the problem. You can't afford to pay $1000. That's sad. But you'll pay $100?. I'll take that bet. I would think a few pictures should easily prove my success. Looks like I'll need to take a short trip in April.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782637]You truly lived up to your Mami'sBoy name there. First you bet that I can't score an Instagram chick, because they're out of my league, then you won't take the bet because I can easily score an Instagram chick.

Oh wait. I see the problem. You can't afford to pay $1000. That's sad. But you'll pay $100?. I'll take that bet. I would think a few pictures should easily prove my success. Looks like I'll need to take a short trip in April.[/QUOTE]Any idiot including yourself can score an insta chick if he pays her 5-10 times the going rate. Don't forget to post her insta profile here so we all could check her out and confirm she got at least 10 k followers. Once you fuck her, send me a proof and an invoice, and I will gladly wire transfer your winnings.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782703]Any idiot including yourself can score an insta chick if he pays her 5-10 times the going rate. Don't forget to post her insta profile here so we all could check her out and confirm she got at least 10 k followers. Once you fuck her, send me a proof and an invoice, and I will gladly wire transfer your winnings.[/QUOTE]There you go again. First you say they're out of my league, now you say they're not out of anyone's league if they spend enough money.

Sorry, I won't post her Instagram profile here. That's unacceptable. You'll receive a PM with the necessary information.

You're only partially right, which is a huge step forward. Any Instagram girl who is selling pussy, can be had by almost anyone who offers enough money. Enough money is her going rate. Just offering random girls large amounts of money is a waste of time and money. It's a simple process. First figure out if she's for sale. Second, figure out her price range. Then just make an offer.

Of course, not every girl will sell sex. They require a different approach.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2782547]It's not a 'privilege' to buy anybody a drink. It might be a kindness, it might be an investment, it might just be your shout, but anyone who thinks it is a 'privilege' to buy any person of any gender of any level of attractiveness a drink is observably stupid. I've known mongers to buy cars for hookers (or motos ja ja Osteo) and that is also observably stupid.[/QUOTE]I have known them to buy houses for chicks. I guess Elvis does not have enough privilege and his girl is not elite enough for him to treat her like this real man treats his. Elvis needs to level up and buy his single mom elite 10 what she deserves or he is going to get dumped quick when a man like this comes along.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782725]I have known them to buy houses for chicks. I guess Elvis does not have enough privilege and his girl is not elite enough for him to treat her like this real man treats his. Elvis needs to level up and buy his single mom elite 10 what she deserves or he is going to get dumped quick when a man like this comes along.[/QUOTE]You're not lying! I know a simp who bought a tute a house in Panama City for $50,000 (that was a good price back then for that particular property and neighborhood). Fifty grand, and she didn't even want to be with his fat ass! Beyond pathetic and sad. Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm. A shame and a scandal! The things a simp will do for "love" (rolling eyes).

I know her since she was 19. Phone girl has a sugar daddy for a few years, yes you read it right. LOL.

She and her SD rarely have sex and that is where I come in. She calls me and I don't call her. Sometimes she would come to see me on her way to her SD's place to spend the night. The SD is pretty wealthy because I know the kind of place he has the trips they took. The SD supports three generations of her family. She also said to me she could never leave him because the support he gives her.

The reason I called her phone girl is because the SD gave her a phone and likely put a tracker on the phone. One day he tracked her to my apartment. She could even hear and recognize the sound of his car while we were out on the balcony because he was circling around angrily and sent messages to her telling her where she was. Her heart was pounding, and she turned everything off. I would not believe it if her SD did not confront me later when we went out.

This girl is a 9. 9 if I must give a rating since that is so important. She does not look like a typical Paisa. She dresses very well because her SD brought everything from US for her. She is easily one of my favorite.

This roughly give you an idea. I may tell another one if I have time.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2783106]This roughly give you an idea. I may tell another one if I have time.[/QUOTE]Clean your box out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782725]I have known them to buy houses for chicks. I guess Elvis does not have enough privilege and his girl is not elite enough for him to treat her like this real man treats his. Elvis needs to level up and buy his single mom elite 10 what she deserves or he is going to get dumped quick when a man like this comes along.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I knew a rich fool in Argentina that bought a house for an old, used up hooker and her two totally useless daughters. Actually I think Elvis probably met this guy, but he was banned and I think if I post his screen name it will be hidden. E x o and 1 2 3. He's dead now. First he went to prison for forging his wife's name on a stock certificate during their divorce, then he discovered Argentina, then he threatened a federal judge over the internet and went [B]back[/B] to prison in his 70's. Was out for about a year or two and dropped dead. Wonder how the house is doing. He did a lot of improvements to it also.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2783159]Yeah, I knew a rich fool in Argentina that bought a house for an old, used up hooker and her two totally useless daughters. .[/QUOTE]Daughters are never useless, are they? )

[QUOTE=Huacho;2782547]It's not a 'privilege' to buy anybody a drink.[/QUOTE]And this is why you will never get a 10. It is fine if you really do not want one, but it is obvious to me that you and others are insecure that you are getting an inferior product and experience. Gee, I wonder why I do not feel likewise.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2782547]I've known mongers to buy cars for hookers (or motos ja ja Osteo) and that is also observably stupid.[/QUOTE]What is observably stupid is you and other mongers going from buying a drink to buying a car and a house. I must have missed the line of guys out the door willing to do that for women.

Quite frankly, if you go back to the hypothetical bar and the woman stops asking for a drink and starts demanding a $500 bottle of champagne, my guess is most guys will have lost interest. I know I would because she has just identified herself as a ho and can be valued as such.

And I am not sure why you use the term investment as if all your investments turn to crap. There is no possible way that buying a drink could result in a positive return then? Yeah, given what you have been dating, I would agree. You leave little doubt as to what that is Huacho.

And now we got Nounce in here like Osteoknot talking about banging the kept woman on the side as if that is inevitable.

There is a part you guys do not get, and I am not even sure if it is worth bringing up because you all are so certain about her (even more certain than me I might add) and I so enjoy your stories, but do you see it as possible that a woman might, just might refuse a house, car, or $500 bottle of champagne and why they might do so?

I just wonder if even one of you can come within a mile of why my woman or any other woman would refuse such a thing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279]And this is why you will never get a 10. It is fine if you really do not want one, but it is obvious to me that you and others are insecure that you are getting an inferior product and experience. Gee, I wonder why I do not feel likewise.

What is observably stupid is you and other mongers going from buying a drink to buying a car and a house. I must have missed the line of guys out the door willing to do that for women.

Quite frankly, if you go back to the hypothetical bar and the woman stops asking for a drink and starts demanding a $500 bottle of champagne, my guess is most guys will have lost interest. I know I would because she has just identified herself as a ho and can be valued as such.

And I am not sure why you use the term investment as if all your investments turn to crap. There is no possible way that buying a drink could result in a positive return then? Yeah, given what you have been dating, I would agree. You leave little doubt as to what that is Huacho.

And now we got Nounce in here like Osteoknot talking about banging the kept woman on the side as if that is inevitable.

There is a part you guys do not get, and I am not even sure if it is worth bringing up because you all are so certain about her (even more certain than me I might add) and I so enjoy your stories, but do you see it as possible that a woman might, just might refuse a house, car, or $500 bottle of champagne and why they might do so?

I just wonder if even one of you can come within a mile of why my woman or any other woman would refuse such a thing.[/QUOTE]Just stop being an imbecile. You don't have a 10 either.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279]What is observably stupid is you and other mongers going from buying a drink to buying a car and a house. I must have missed the line of guys out the door willing to do that for women.

Quite frankly, if you go back to the hypothetical bar and the woman stops asking for a drink and starts demanding a $500 bottle of champagne, my guess is most guys will have lost interest. I know I would because she has just identified herself as a ho and can be valued as such.[/QUOTE]You sure do love moving the goal post. In your original post the woman never asked for anything. It was you or other people volunteering to buy a drink. So you are saying she does not get a choice what to drink; she has to drink what is offered?

Why is it that if you spend your money on the girl then she is an elite 10, but if someone else spends less money on the girl then she is not an elite 10; and if even another spends more money than you on the chick then she is a ho?

After you have paid a chick's rent for so many months, guess what you have just done? Paid for a house. And didn't you buy your elite 10 a motorbike to go with the apartment? So if I would have bought the girl a bicycle she would have been a 5, but if someone else bought her a car then she is a ho. That Elvis logic is a mf.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279]do you see it as possible that a woman might, just might refuse a house, car, or $500 bottle of champagne and why they might do so?

I just wonder if even one of you can come within a mile of why my woman or any other woman would refuse such a thing.[/QUOTE]Bcos she doesn't want to feel obliged to anyone, least of all someone she doesn't love.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279] Yeah, given what you have been dating, I would agree. You leave little doubt as to what that is Huacho.[/QUOTE]You don't have the slightest idea who I see or what I do. I will tell you that what I do [B]not[/B] do is 'date. ' And I don't pay women's bills, or give them monthly allowances. And I don't put my balls in any woman's purse.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279]And this is why you will never get a 10. It is fine if you really do not want one, but it is obvious to me that you and others are insecure that you are getting an inferior product and experience. Gee, I wonder why I do not feel likewise.

What is observably stupid is you and other mongers going from buying a drink to buying a car and a house. I must have missed the line of guys out the door willing to do that for women.

Quite frankly, if you go back to the hypothetical bar and the woman stops asking for a drink and starts demanding a $500 bottle of champagne, my guess is most guys will have lost interest. I know I would because she has just identified herself as a ho and can be valued as such.

And I am not sure why you use the term investment as if all your investments turn to crap. There is no possible way that buying a drink could result in a positive return then? Yeah, given what you have been dating, I would agree. You leave little doubt as to what that is Huacho.

And now we got Nounce in here like Osteoknot talking about banging the kept woman on the side as if that is inevitable.

There is a part you guys do not get, and I am not even sure if it is worth bringing up because you all are so certain about her (even more certain than me I might add) and I so enjoy your stories, but do you see it as possible that a woman might, just might refuse a house, car, or $500 bottle of champagne and why they might do so?

I just wonder if even one of you can come within a mile of why my woman or any other woman would refuse such a thing.[/QUOTE]Back in 2017 I took a pretty typical Bello girl on a date. Nothing special, just dinner and a movie. And other than her blowjob skills, which were off the charts, there was nothing special about her. She was a good fuck, sexually compatible and easy to be around.

After dinner we had a 90 minute wait for the movie so we walked around Santa Fe mall. I tried to take her in a couple of stores to buy her something, a shirt or dress, again nothing special. She refused and wouldn't let me but her anything.

A few months later I took a girl from El Centro shopping. She lived about 20 blocks east, up the hill from El Centro. I took her to Mayorista, which has a lot of good clothing bargains, cheaper than Poblado, better quality than El Centro. She let me but her 1 thing and complained it was too expensive.

So yes, I fully understand that some women will refuse expensive gifts. Those things have no value to them. A girl can get the same feeling from ca $500 or a $5 bottle of champagne and chances are she can't tell the difference. Try a real world situation. Give her a choice between a new iPhone 13 Pro and the cheapest basic phone you can buy in Colombia. Give her a choice between a week on the beach in Turbo, Colombia or the Maldives. Give her a choice between the cheapest apartment in the worst part of Cartagena or a luxury apartment in a good location. Now you're dealing with things which she values. Feel free to make up whatever response you think best suits your fantasy.

BTW, I eventually had to block both girls. While they weren't interested in gifts of clothing, they had no problems with asking for cash. Why don't you put your girl to that test. Try taking away the money you give her and see how much she values your company.

P.S. I feel bad for Huacho. Apparently he is unable to fuck a woman without you watching him. Tell the truth. Are you spying on him to check out his women, or do you just like his ass?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279]And this is why you will never get a 10. It is fine if you really do not want one, but it is obvious to me that you and others are insecure that you are getting an inferior product and experience. Gee, I wonder why I do not feel likewise.

What is observably stupid is you and other mongers going from buying a drink to buying a car and a house. I must have missed the line of guys out the door willing to do that for women.

Quite frankly, if you go back to the hypothetical bar and the woman stops asking for a drink and starts demanding a $500 bottle of champagne, my guess is most guys will have lost interest. I know I would because she has just identified herself as a ho and can be valued as such.

And I am not sure why you use the term investment as if all your investments turn to crap. There is no possible way that buying a drink could result in a positive return then? Yeah, given what you have been dating, I would agree. You leave little doubt as to what that is Huacho.

And now we got Nounce in here like Osteoknot talking about banging the kept woman on the side as if that is inevitable.

There is a part you guys do not get, and I am not even sure if it is worth bringing up because you all are so certain about her (even more certain than me I might add) and I so enjoy your stories, but do you see it as possible that a woman might, just might refuse a house, car, or $500 bottle of champagne and why they might do so?

I just wonder if even one of you can come within a mile of why my woman or any other woman would refuse such a thing.[/QUOTE]I almost forgot to mention something. After much deliberation I've decided to use the 1-10 scale. Even better, I've decided to use the 1-10 scale exactly the same way you and Mami'sBoy use it, with 1 notable exception. I won't use the scale when talking about children, or about women who refuse to acknowledge my existence.

Using your 1-10 scale, every woman I've had sex with over the last 6 years has been at least a 7, and most have been 9's and 10's. Everyone who has ever agreed with me on something over the same period has had similar women, except the best they can get are 9. 5's. Obviously nobody else can get what I get.

Furthermore, every person who has disagreed with me has never had a woman who is better than a 7, mostly they only get 3's and 4's. It's really sad that they just don't have my superior understanding of everything, otherwise they might some day hope to have a 9 or 10.

Stay tuned. Next week I might explain how giving a girl more money for less sex is better.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784279]And this is why you will never get a 10. ...[/QUOTE]I remember that you said you don't know what is your end game? Is it still true?

I look at this what can be considered as shouting match as love fest. I personally don't want to have only friends that agree with me on everything. I actually don't want that kind of friends.

Your girl is a 10. Can you rate the following cases individually.
[LIST]The same girl without kid[/LIST][LIST]The same girl that doesn't limit your freedom. Her sexual performance does not require you to promise or commit anything.[/LIST][LIST]The same girl who is independent, does not need support[/LIST]
The divorce is the time you will be able to tell what she really wants from you.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784570]I remember that you said you don't know what is your end game? Is it still true?[/QUOTE]Yeah, there is a lot to consider, and I know of no one who is on the path that I am on. It was a lot less opaque just playing the field.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784570]I look at this what can be considered as shouting match as love fest. I personally don't want to have only friends that agree with me on everything. I actually don't want that kind of friends.[/QUOTE]That is definitely a civilized way to look at it. What I see are guys so invested in knowing it all and having it all figured out they are threatened when someone comes up with a better model. They claim to be all happy and have it all figured out when it is obvious that is not the case.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784570]Your girl is a 10.[/QUOTE]That is why my friends said with regards to her looks. A 10 may just be a girl guys want to fuck but not have a relationship with. Others who have actually met her would actually focus much more on her personality and character and have expressed a desire to find someone like her.

With a kid, it depends on the kid. If the kid was a bad kid, I would not be with said woman no matter what her value is. I think a good kid enhances the relationship. You could say the kid is a cost but that could be true of any kid. So why have them at all? To me, it is repayment for what my parents did for me. So initially they are an investment in karma, but there is an immediate payoff. Kids can be a shit load of fun and a joy helping them accomplish their goals in life.

I think most guys think when you hook up with just one woman your sex life goes to shit, and I know of only one guy where that did not happen. Before her, I was only sexually satisfied seeing multiple women. So "freedom" for me meant sexual satisfaction as I suspect it was for many guys. And that is the strange part here. A breakup and my sex life likely gets worse.

As for expenses, if I worked three weeks and came down to Colombia for one week, stayed in a hotel for a week, and spent $500 a week banging strange, would anyone here be saying anything?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784570]The divorce is the time you will be able to tell what she really wants from you.[/QUOTE]I had a lawyer joke with me and say if you marry her, she will get divorced 2 years and one minute after you are married (I. E. After she gets her green card). Then in the next breath he said, "You know but that really is not that bad of a deal. " And if you have a prenup with that provision, she has no claim to your assets at all. But does that work if I file for divorce or does it have to be her? And do I want that and does she? You never fucking know what your life is going to be like in 2 years let alone what hers and her kid would be like in the USA.

Premarital agreements are the most voided contracts there are and in reality if you divorce, your life will be determined solely by a judge. So it may not be what she wants but what she agreed to. The issue is I do not know what some random judge will do and neither do you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2784359]So you are saying she does not get a choice what to drink; she has to drink what is offered?[/QUOTE]This is as dumb as your smithers as gay comment.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2784396]You don't have the slightest idea who I see or what I do.[/QUOTE]You just admitted you fuck ugly women and you do not buy women drinks. It is pretty obvious what you date and why you are piling on. You cannot handle someone doing better than you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784693]You just admitted you fuck ugly women and you do not buy women drinks. It is pretty obvious what you date and why you are piling on. You cannot handle someone doing better than you.[/QUOTE]I think we're all pretty aware of your poor reading comprehension skills but what I actually said is that it isn't a privilege to buy a woman a drink. I never said I never did it. You aren't doing better than I am just because you are paying some hooker a monthly fee to pretend to like your fat ass.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2784693]You just admitted you fuck ugly women and you do not buy women drinks. It is pretty obvious what you date and why you are piling on. You cannot handle someone doing better than you.[/QUOTE]Single moms are pump and dump only. Your decision to play house with one is your call, but assessing her as a 10 is not something anyone else has to agree with yet you try so hard to convince others of that.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2784875]Single moms are pump and dump only. Your decision to play house with one is your call, but assessing her as a 10 is not something anyone else has to agree with yet you try so hard to convince others of that.[/QUOTE]LovMudd. , maybe you could take a trip to Colombia and meet Elvis. You guys could work out your disagreements, but that require your cheap Ass taking a trip, abroad. You have never been to Colombia, so why are you involved. This just shows how truly angry and jealous you are. You and a couple of other haters complain about everything.

I do think you would fit in perfectly with the other clowns on this this page, jealous, angry and hate others having fun. Elvis is not perfect, but he gives some good advice. I can careless how much he gives her, I am sure it is more then let's on, but how cares. You guys could learn a few things from Elvis.

There is nothing wrong with women that have kids and probably most of the women you are banging have kids. Try and be nice.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2784817]I never said I never did it.[/QUOTE]Well, that is a crystal clear sentence. Is it my reading or your shit writing that is the issue?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2784817]what I actually said is that it isn't a privilege to buy a woman a drink.[/QUOTE]Didn't you say it was stupid to buy a drink? So have you done it or not? And if you did and it is stupid and you did it, why did you do it?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2784817]You aren't doing better than I am just because you are paying some hooker a monthly fee to pretend to like your fat ass. [/QUOTE]So I do not know what women are dating, but you know this woman is pretending to like me? LOL.

Maybe try posting before you drink your nightly twelve pack.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2785024]Elvis is not perfect, but he gives some good advice. I can careless how much he gives her, I am sure it is more then let's on, but how cares. You guys could learn a few things from Elvis.[/QUOTE]If you like a chick that doesn't like you, then pay for her family to relocate to another country? If you like a chick that chose to have a kid with a deadbeat drug addict, then step in and take on the responsibility? Make sure you pay a chick's rent on time every month? Yep, the good advice from Elvis never stops flowing.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784432]Back in 2017 I took a pretty typical Bello girl on a date. Nothing special, just dinner and a movie. And other than her blowjob skills, which were off the charts, there was nothing special about her. I tried to take her in a couple of stores to buy her something, a shirt or dress, again nothing special. She refused and wouldn't let me but her anything. BTW, I eventually had to block both girls. While they weren't interested in gifts of clothing, they had no problems with asking for cash.[/QUOTE]Wow, you really do not understand women. Here is what happened. For some stupid reason you put on this air of being a legit man and provider. She thinks you are going to be loyal and see only her, and she shows you that she can be a frugal partner. When she realizes that she is "nothing special" and you are a just a john paying to get laid, she does what most women do and inflates the value of her pussy to suck you dry.

The first meet with any woman should not be dinner and a movie but a drink where you assess what kind of woman she will be: wife material, girl friend, sugar baby, or hooker. You should never give the hooker anything outside of cash when you are done. With a sugar baby, the gifts should be only what benefits you, and yes, I violated that rule and was wrong in doing so.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784432]Give her a choice between a new iPhone 13 Pro and the cheapest basic phone you can buy in Colombia.[/QUOTE]LOL. She bought her own damned Iphone, and in part because she did not want a new one and in part to show she was a good partner, she refused an upgrade.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784432]Why don't you put your girl to that test. Try taking away the money you give her and see how much she values your company.[/QUOTE]She already passed the test. For the first six months, she asked for nothing. After that, her Covid pay was done, and she had a job in a city in a very rural area. She did not ask, "Hey can you pay my salary so we can be together?" She said that she was sad because she had to take the job and would not see me much.

And what is this "wouldn't let me buy her anything?" Oh, you mean women let you buy them a drink? Or not let you buy them a new Iphone? Or let you pay for their rent? So here you go again and shoot yourself in the ass. I thought all women were greedy pigs out to suck men dry. Maybe you can twist yourself into a knot explaining that one like Huacho did.

I will try for you. I never said I did not never have a woman let me not buy nothing. Hope that clears things up.

And you all act like the traditional roles do not exist. A suitor is a guy trying to get a woman to marry him, and the more desired the woman, the more suitors there are. A man is vying with other men to take on the role of provider from the father (or in my case from the woman herself). And the winning suitor "gets to" care for the woman in exchange for sex, companionship, child rearing ETC. When did this totally stop?

As for the elite part, I only brought that up because what I saw were the only Colombian women worthy of commitment were in those in white collar jobs or studying to be, and others found the same thing.

Unlike in centuries past, I did not inquire about family wealth. Only when I mentioned that previously I had family members hit me up for stuff that I learned of her family's wealth and why that would not happen. Tt was just bits and pieces. This aunt owns so many houses. Grandfather has a business that employs a lot of people ETC. I still do not know the extent of their wealth nor do I care.

When you said guys here were not dating the elite, JJBee, Don Carlos and I already were, and I am sure Miami Boy has or will be. DC even told you that a few hundred bucks did not mean much to the women he was seeing. And that $500 a month you dummies think is so important could have been provided then by my gal herself or obviously by her family. She chose to not "let herself" (there is that let world again) be dependent on her family and she "let herself" be dependent on me.

So how do I know you are seeing fat and ugly women? Because you losers are not stepping up in the suitor game.

Lebron, all you and your crew are showing me is that you do not have the balls, money, and game to step up and try to get a 10 and are content to say "Our 5's are as good as your 10's. " If you cannot get off your ass and go for the best, then shut up and be happy with what you have instead of continuing to make asses of yourselves.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2785024]I do think you would fit in perfectly with the other clowns on this this page, jealous, angry and hate others having fun. Elvis is not perfect, but he gives some good advice. I can careless how much he gives her, I am sure it is more then let's on, but how cares. You guys could learn a few things from Elvis.

There is nothing wrong with women that have kids and probably most of the women you are banging have kids. Try and be nice.[/QUOTE]I'll try to avoid being a hater for a moment. Who on here hates other people having fun? Of all the people here, with the exception of a few trolls, I don't think anyone comes across as hating others having fun. Also, I'm going to be presumptuous and state that nobody is jealous of Elvis.

If Elvis stuck with giving good advice, there wouldn't be any issues with him. However, most of his posts, even those which might contain good advice have 1 of 2 things. Either there is a claim, not just of superiority, but of supremacy, or there's an insistence of someone else's inferiority. Frankly, nobody really cares whether his girl makes Miss Universe look like a 3, or if she makes Whoopi Goldberg look like a 10. It's all of the "nobody can get as good as I can" and "you can only get fat and ugly girls" foolishness that makes him an easy target.

What is it we can learn from Elvis? I'm sure everyone here knows how to find women and how to fuck them. I'm also certain they're able to find women who fit all their basic requirements. With regards to ISG, isn't that what matters?

Each one has different objectives. Learning about marrying a woman and moving her family to the US doesn't help someone who has no desire to get married. Learning how to have a Sugar baby won't help those who just want one and done. Learning how to spend $100 per month to find girls who expect $100+ per date is of no benefit to a guy who fucks 40 women a month and spends $200 doing it.

You're right. There's nothing wrong with banging girls with kids, or with banging 34 year old women with kids. What's wrong is repeatedly making the claims that hooking up with a 34 year old woman, with a kid, in Colombia, is a feat which nobody else could ever achieve. Literally it only takes 3 steps.

1. Say Hello.

2. Ask her age.

3. If she is 34, ask if she has kids.

The only obstacle is that she might be married or have an average or better boyfriend. If she doesn't, at worst getting a date is a 50-50 proposition.

It's simple. At that age, her chances of finding a dependable partner who is able to support her and who will be loyal are slim and on a starvation diet. It doesn't matter what she looks like, because in Colombia there's always someone young, pretty and willing, with a lot less drama. An opportunity for a good meal, in a nice restaurant, with a man who can afford to travel internationally? It's not exactly a hard sell. Add in that he's looking for sex and might be generous and panties are dropping.

I've been stressing the age, 34, for a reason. For most women that's right in the range when they start to go downhill. Even with great effort the body starts to give in to the years, but that's not the worst part. The worst part is that's when the hormones start getting payback. Mid 30's women are a blast to fuck, perhaps that's the best age for the best sex. However, it's at the beginning of the worst age range to play house, in my experience.

Now, with all of that, it doesn't matter. If it's what Elvis wants, if he's enjoying himself, that's fabulous. I sincerely wish him the absolute best with it. I just wish he'd stop insisting that everyone wants what he has and that nobody else can get it (unless they agree with him and tell everyone how wonderful he is).

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2785024]LovMudd. , maybe you could take a trip to Colombia[/QUOTE]Aren't you the guy who goes on every ISG thread unrelated to Colombia and whenever Colombia is mentioned, you utterly trash it and tell people not to ever go there? You're also the same guy who posted he'd been to Tijuana 30 times during the first year of the pandemic even though your post history clearly debunks that. I will give you credit that when you lie, you go for the gusto. Finally, I revert back to your lie about living in Ukraine twice in one post and three times in another post. Which is it? The problem with lies is you have to keep them straight.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785090]Didn't you say it was stupid to buy a drink? So have you done it or not? And if you did and it is stupid and you did it, why did you do it?.[/QUOTE]So you can neither read nor scroll. You have to be trolling because nobody could really be this stupid. Well since you consider it a privilege to spend your money on someone maybe you are not just trolling.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2782547]It's not a 'privilege' to buy anybody a drink. It might be a kindness, it might be an investment, it might just be your shout, but [b]anyone who thinks it is a 'privilege' to buy any person of any gender of any level of attractiveness a drink is observably stupid[/b]. I've known mongers to buy cars for hookers (or motos ja ja Osteo) and that is also observably stupid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2785185]Aren't you the guy who goes on every ISG thread unrelated to Colombia and whenever Colombia is mentioned, you utterly trash it and tell people not to ever go there? You're also the same guy who posted he'd been to Tijuana 30 times during the first year of the pandemic even though your post history clearly debunks that. I will give you credit that when you lie, you go for the gusto. Finally, I revert back to your lie about living in Ukraine twice in one post and three times in another post. Which is it? The problem with lies is you have to keep them straight.[/QUOTE]Joker pup the lies. I have invited you several times to meet me, you never show up. Yes, Colombia sucks, but I have actually been to MDE, unlike you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2785153]
I just wish he'd stop insisting that everyone wants what he has and that nobody else can get it (unless they agree with him and tell everyone how wonderful he is).[/QUOTE]Uh, wrong. I tell the truth about my life, and you cannot handle it. I am not the one refusing to use the 1 to 10 scale objectively, telling guys they cannot date the elite, always making bets with everyone.

I am telling guys they can date the elites and 10's, and you are saying they cannot. With your crew, everything is we can get better for cheaper than you, and I am telling everyone that you all are full of shit.

Hell, you had a girl from estrato 4 so my girl had to be lower. Of course, she was from estrato 6 and as I said, I did not care, but you sure as hell did. So you lost 6 to 4 with your rules. LOL.

And your butt buddy Viliany makes this comment about how the elites go to college, and if she was elite, she would have had to meet in college, and she and her baby's father did not meet there. Well, they did meet in university. I am laughing at how I could have corrected him but what then? The university was not elite? Her major would not have been elite? The question then became: why is your crew so invested in putting her down? And the answer is you all cannot handle someone doing better than you.

I am out of the game man. This was not winning an argument. It was identifying to everyone the fucking losers with the inferiority complexes who do not want other board members here to do well. It was payback for your all fucking harassment and now everyone knows who the jealous asshole losers really are.

And let me tell you from a popularity contest with Covid, you won, but that is not the game I was playing. My game was challenging everyone else to gain knowledge. Was Covid another scare like AIDS and condoms from the government, or was it real? I argued to see what I missed. Well, there were more risks than AIDS for sure but once I had the appropriate risk: benefit scale, I played Covid to my advantage and had the time of my life. And without Covid, I never would have met the woman who is the envy of every friend I have. So you won the argument on a hooker forum, and I got a 10. Feel better now, Mr. Winner?

Wow! When you get something wrong, you don't mess around with just minor misunderstanding. You don't even go off on a tangent, which at least briefly touches the subject,. You warp yourself straight to another dimension (actually another set of dimensions, but that's a physics thing and like basic English, beyond your ability to comprehend).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785135]Wow, you really do not understand women. Here is what happened. For some stupid reason you put on this air of being a legit man and provider. She thinks you are going to be loyal and see only her, and she shows you that she can be a frugal partner. When she realizes that she is "nothing special" and you are a just a john paying to get laid, she does what most women do and inflates the value of her pussy to suck you dry.[/QUOTE]What? Where in fuck did you get that? Example #1 was a girl I fucked and paid several times. I also gave her the thumbs up for a few other BMs, who also fucked and paid her. One night I felt like catching a movie, probably after 4 or 5 fucks with her. In fact, I had fucked her that afternoon. A few hours later, when the urge to see a movie hit, I asked if she wanted to go with me and offered dinner, because I planned on eating before the movie. I never put on any air of being a provider, nor suggested that I was looking for a girlfriend, wife or anything else. Because we were in the mall and had time to kill, I asked if she wanted anything and tried to head into a store, maybe Falabella? She said she didn't want anything and didn't want to go in any of the stores. I don't know why you think that she thought I was going to be loyal. She had more than once seen me taking other women, including a girl she brought out to me.

When she started asking for money was almost 2 years after the last time I had seen her. I guess it just took her awhile to figure it out, right?

Example #2 I never had sex with solo. It was always 3 somes with her. She also cleaned the apartment 3 or 4 times, along with her mother. She had a boyfriend and I never suggested I was going to replace him. I just enjoy 3 somes with truly bisexual women. Mayorista is walking distance from the apartment, and I walked there often. 1 day I took her with me. The rest followed. Once again, the requests for money came long after I'd been back in the US.

So, completely wrong on that one. Let's see what alternate universe your next one takes us to.

[QUOTE]The first meet with any woman should not be dinner and a movie but a drink where you assess what kind of woman she will be: wife material, girl friend, sugar baby, or hooker. You should never give the hooker anything outside of cash when you are done. With a sugar baby, the gifts should be only what benefits you, and yes, I violated that rule and was wrong in doing so.[/QUOTE]First off, dinner and a movie wasn't the first meet. The first meet was probably after I had seen her several times in the bar where I hung out. Almost all the customers were gringos and girls frequently went in looking for customers. She spent a few hours each time giving me the eye, but I wasn't interested, not my type. One night another gringo was complaining he couldn't find a girl, so I pointed her out. He gave her a pretty good review, so I decided to give her a try. Do I get points because I probably bought her a drink before we went to fuck? Anyway, as I mentioned, incredible BJ skills and sexual compatibility convinced me to see her several times. Mostly because she was right there in the bar.

As you might have figured out, I already knew she was a hooker and had no need to assess anything. Certainly I'm not stupid enough to meet someone once and decide on anything other than "are we going to fuck?

As expected, even Captain Kirk never went to where you boldly and blindly went.

[QUOTE]LOL. She bought her own damned Iphone, and in part because she did not want a new one and in part to show she was a good partner, she refused an upgrade.[/QUOTE]Uh-huh. As someone else mentioned, you do have a thing about moving the goalposts and a thing about making it up as you go along. The question isn't what she did, or what you claimed she did. The question was, to take her tired old ass to the Claro store, tell her you're going to buy her a phone and to give her 2 and only 2 choices.

[QUOTE]She already passed the test. For the first six months, she asked for nothing. After that, her Covid pay was done, and she had a job in a city in a very rural area. She did not ask, "Hey can you pay my salary so we can be together?" She said that she was sad because she had to take the job and would not see me much.[/QUOTE]That wasn't the original story, but we already covered how facts aren't really a consideration when you're being creative.

[QUOTE]And what is this "wouldn't let me buy her anything?" Oh, you mean women let you buy them a drink? Or not let you buy them a new Iphone? Or let you pay for their rent? So here you go again and shoot yourself in the ass. I thought all women were greedy pigs out to suck men dry. Maybe you can twist yourself into a knot explaining that one like Huacho did.[/QUOTE]Forget Captain Kirk. Even Timothy Leary never took a trip so far from reality. It's going to be a real simple knot, like the one on your head, which caused the concussion, which seems to be muddling your thinking. We were in a mall. We were standing outside a store. I asked if she wanted to go in the store. I said I would buy her something. She said she didn't want anything. She then said she didn't want to go in the store. What part of that was confusing?

I don't know if she would have let me pay her rent or buy her an iPhone, because I never offered. That seems like an irrational leap. "Hey, since we're waiting to see a movie, why don't I pay your rent, buy you a new phone and pay for your family to move to Peru? Or maybe just some popcorn?

Obviously this will confuse you, but I don't do that, except for the popcorn. If I'm meeting with a hooker, I might buy drinks, or dinner. I might take her to a movie or to Parque Arvi. Afterwards we fuck and I pay her. If she's a hooker I've seen a few times, I might give a little, inexpensive gift. I don't meet a hooker and then suggest that I pay her rent or relocate her family.

If I'm looking for a wife, or a girlfriend I'm not searching for her on a hooker website. If she's on a hooker website, either she's a hooker, or she's incredibly stupid and doesn't realize she's on a hooker website. I have high standards. Hookers and incredibly stupid women don't make the cut. And Seeking, formerly Seeking Arrangement, has always been a hooker website. The only difference between someone "Seeking an Arrangement" and a hooker, is that one is on salary and the other works hourly.

[QUOTE]I will try for you. I never said I did not never have a woman let me not buy nothing. Hope that clears things up.[/QUOTE]Since nothing like that was mentioned, there's nothing to clear up, at least on my end. Clearing up anything for you would take a the-9 Caterpillar and a lot of explosives.

[QUOTE]And you all act like the traditional roles do not exist. A suitor is a guy trying to get a woman to marry him, and the more desired the woman, the more suitors there are. A man is vying with other men to take on the role of provider from the father (or in my case from the woman herself). And the winning suitor "gets to" care for the woman in exchange for sex, companionship, child rearing ETC. When did this totally stop?[/QUOTE]Spoken like a man who thinks he has to be worthy of a woman. Who the fuck goes on a hooker website and tries to get a woman to marry him? Who is so desperate he will compete with other men to marry a hooker, let alone marry one and raise her kids?

Traditional roles require you to impress a woman's father. Because traditional roles require that the father chooses husbands for his daughters. The daughter has no say in the matter. Or are you just making these traditions up as you go along? The winning suitor gets to pay the father the price he has set for the daughter. In no situation does the choice lie with the daughter.

Of course, those traditional roles no longer hold in much of the world and you obviously don't believe in them. Otherwise, you would have immediately insisted that she quit her job. Because the traditional mother's place is in the home, keeping the house, raising the children and remaining shielded from temptation. Not to mention, you would have rejected her outright, because it's her father's role to support her until a suitor has paid for her pussy.

[QUOTE]As for the elite part, I only brought that up because what I saw were the only Colombian women worthy of commitment were in those in white collar jobs or studying to be, and others found the same thing.[/QUOTE]Worthy of commitment? But traditional roles do not require the man to commit sexually to 1 woman. In fact, depending on how traditional you want to go, a man is expected to seek other outlets for his lustful desires as sex with his wife is for procreation. Other women are for recreation. Of course you're forgetting that traditional roles require that a woman seeking a traditional husband doesn't work and only studies subjects helpful to providing comfort to her husband.

Let's forget for a moment that you directly contradicted yourself with traditional roles and white collar jobs. A woman with a white collar job is not the best choice for commitment, stereotypically. Certainly not for someone hung up on traditional roles. First, she has no need for you. She can pay her own way. Second it puts her out where every other guy can compete for her affection. Finally, when she decides she's done with you, she's in a better position to acquire more of your shit. That blue collar girl knows she can't get a better situation and she is thrilled to give up her job and live the good life.

Your choice is between a woman you have to fight to keep and a woman who will fight to keep you.

[QUOTE]Unlike in centuries past, I did not inquire about family wealth. Only when I mentioned that previously I had family members hit me up for stuff that I learned of her family's wealth and why that would not happen. Tt was just bits and pieces. This aunt owns so many houses. Grandfather has a business that employs a lot of people ETC. I still do not know the extent of their wealth nor do I care.[/QUOTE]Again, Uh-huh. Isn't it amazing how her family history develops as if by magic? At least try to make it believable. Why would you bring that up to begin with? Unless of course one of her family members had hit you up for something. Besides, if her family is swimming in wealth, it would have been immediately obvious. Just a few minutes of conversation would have told you her family's social standing.

Even assuming you are clueless enough to bring the subject up (which you obviously are) why mention an aunt and a grandfather and skip the parents? Is she an only child? Does she only have 1 aunt? If her parents are dead, then she already has the wealth. Besides, owning "so many" houses in Colombia doesn't require much wealth. 1 house is "so many. " Neither does running a business with a lot of employees (6 is a lot for some businesses, for others it's10,000). Although, I'm impressed. Her grandfather almost has to be in his 70's and 80 isn't unreasonable. That's amazing he hasn't passed the business down. But it's a whole family full of unbelievable things.

[QUOTE]When you said guys here were not dating the elite, JJBee, Don Carlos and I already were, and I am sure Miami Boy has or will be. DC even told you that a few hundred bucks did not mean much to the women he was seeing. And that $500 a month you dummies think is so important could have been provided then by my gal herself or obviously by her family. She chose to not "let herself" (there is that let world again) be dependent on her family and she "let herself" be dependent on me.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course. Although, just like your 1-10 scale, elite is simply your hyperbole hard at work. I perfectly understand women who don't consider a few hundred bucks as a lot of money. Why would a woman with significant wealth in her grasp, already being supported at a level beyond her dreams, turn away for pocket change?

The problem is that you have always defined every woman who you paid to fuck (sorry. I meant that you won over from her hoards of suitors) as "elite. " When you chose to post pictures of those "elite" girls they were just typical girls which you can find easier than peanut butter in Colombia. For all anyone knows "your woman" makes Aphrodite jealous, is a Nobel Laureate, owns a controlling interest in Apple and can suck a basketball through 50 feet of IV tubing. Or she's just a typical 34 year old Colombian mother. Nobody but you knows and you've shown that your descriptions can't be trusted.

[QUOTE]So how do I know you are seeing fat and ugly women? Because you losers are not stepping up in the suitor game.

Lebron, all you and your crew are showing me is that you do not have the balls, money, and game to step up and try to get a 10 and are content to say "Our 5's are as good as your 10's. " If you cannot get off your ass and go for the best, then shut up and be happy with what you have instead of continuing to make asses of yourselves.[/QUOTE]In the suitor game? You should have put that first. It would have saved all that writing. Although it is amusing seeing how badly you can misunderstand simple sentences.

Nobody else is playing "the suitor game. " Nobody else wants to play the suitor game. Even if anyone did want to play the suitor game, they would be crazy to play it in a third world country.

What everyone else is doing is fucking. Some are fucking a few girls, some are fucking many. Some are just fucking 1. And everyone is fucking the girls who appeal to them. Everyone is looking for different qualities. Everyone has different opinions on everything about the whole selection and fucking process. If you ever learned to comprehend what you read, that would be blatantly obvious.

Nobody is looking for a woman to marry and certainly not a woman who is, at best, just beginning the downward spiral into mediocrity. Nobody is looking for a chance to raise someone else's kid.

Balls, money and game? What in the fuck are you babbling about?

Balls? It takes balls to say "if you will fuck me I'll support your worn out ass?" Although it does take some balls to say "your teenage daughter is at the top of my fuckable scale and I'm going to pimp her out in a few years. " However, I doubt if you've told her that yet. A lot of "you can't tell anyone" going on there?

Money? Why throw thousands into a $20 hole? Besides, money is what you use if you don't have:

Game. You have no clue what game is. If you did you wouldn't be putting girls in apartments, moving families, supporting kids and spending all kinds of money trying to prove you're worthy of a woman. Correction, more worthy than everyone else she's fucking.

Besides, I already cleared all that up. Using your scale every woman I'm fucking is automatically a 10, while my "crew" are all fucking 9's. I just don't see any reason to bother with marrying an old one and raising her kid. That's like looking for the stale, moldy bread and buying 1 slice for the price of 30 loaves.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2785198]So you can neither read nor scroll. You have to be trolling because nobody could really be this stupid. Well since you consider it a privilege to spend your money on someone maybe you are not just trolling.[/QUOTE]Uh no, Huacho got caught trying to change the word expense to investment and you are the one who is stupid for buying into it. An expense is never a privilege but an investment could be.

But I did not give a shit about the semantics. What is pretty obvious to me and I think everyone here is you two losers are opposed to even buying a woman a drink. Like Huacho, Mr. E, you can try to back out of it, but you are not going to convince anyone. And if you are not going to buy women drinks, you certainly are not going to get the most sought after women.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785312]And if you are not going to buy women drinks, you certainly are not going to get the most sought after women.[/QUOTE]Since we are here on this section of the forum, I will ask a Q that we have discussed before. Elvis, why would someone want to "get the most sought after women"?

I mean, for example. I never listen to the most sought after music. I like my own choices. I don't buy a car based on which model is most popular either. Why would I seek the most sought after women? I am curious why someone would want to do that. Knowing Mr E just a little, I know he DOES (at least occassionally) buy drinks for girls, but I am almost 100% certain he would not be seeking "the most sought after women".

[QUOTE=Huacho;2782547].... I've known mongers to buy cars for hookers (or motos ja ja Osteo) and that is also observably stupid.[/QUOTE]Technically, he bought the moto for his girlfriend. He did not pay for sex with her. It's like Mr E has mentioned that he recently found out his girlfriend actually is a hooker after he posted their WhatsApp conversation. I don't know what part makes that stupid?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2785433]Technically, he bought the moto for his girlfriend. He did not pay for sex with her. I don't know what part makes that stupid?[/QUOTE]Because people are using the same word to mean different things. Was it his girlfriend in a traditional sense? From his reports it seems it wasn't. It seemed like a hooker he was seeing on a regular basis that spent a lot of time with him and they would do drugs, pick up other chicks, etc. Shit does happens, but I would say one would be hard pressed or the luckiest guy in the world to just waltz into town and soon meet a traditional girlfriend that will go along with all the shenanigans. It did not sound like a chick that had a regular job and he would wait until she got off work and go on family outings together. I could be wrong. It was hard to get through the majority of those reports.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2785244]Joker pup the lies. I have invited you several times to meet me, you never show up.[/QUOTE]Just can't stop lying can you? You've never invited me to Tijuana.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785258]Uh, wrong. I tell the truth about my life, and you cannot handle it. I am not the one refusing to use the 1 to 10 scale objectively, telling guys they cannot date the elite, always making bets with everyone.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't know the truth if it crawled up your ass and gave birth to an elephant. Besides, I have no trouble handling your life, because I really don't care. Your desperate claims are nothing more than the wailing of a toddler because he's not getting any attention from mommy.

Always making bets? When someone says, and I'm paraphrasing, "80,000 US deaths from Covid? I'll take the under on that every time", of course I'll make the bet. When someone says "I bet you can't do this" and it's something I've already done, again I'll take the bet. What am I supposed to do? It's not my fault people are too stupid to realize they're offering bets and too weak and pathetic to stand behind their claims. Although I'll give partial credit to Mami'sBoy. He did agree to bet a meaningless sum, although I'm almost certain he'll pull an Elvis and move the goalposts when it's time to pay.

A 1-10 scale isn't objective. It can't be used objectively. Your main complaint is that people aren't doing something that can't be done. You've certainly never used it objectively.

But you can fix that. I'll even simplify it for you and only ask you to quantify 10 factors which go into determining a woman's sexual attractiveness to men. Assign your 10 value to the measurement of each.

1. Height -how tall is a 10? How much does 1 inch in height change the 1-10 rating?

2. Weight. How much does a 10 weigh? How does the rating vary for heavier vs lighter?

3. Skin color. What shade of skin does a 10 have?

4. Hair color. Is a 10 a blonde, brunette, redhead, multi-colored?

5. Hair length. What length of hair earns a 10 rating?

6-8. Measurements. Chest, waist and hips. What number gets a 10 rating for each?

9. Breast size. Not to be confused with chest measurement. Which bra cup size earns a 10 rating?

10. Age. How old is a 10?

Once you've assigned a numeric value to each objective measurement, for every possible value above 1, you can objectively measure a woman, average her scores and, even though it's still subjective, at least there's a basis for comparison. I'll give a simple example:

Height - 10 is 4'11" to 5'1". Drops by 1 per inch under 4'11" to 4'6", then drops by 2 per inch. Drops by 0. 25 per inch above 5'1" to 5'8", then by 0. 5 per inch. So at 5' a girl is a 10 in height, but at 5'11" she would be 6. 75.

Did the light just come on? You're thinking "no way is someone 5' tall a 10. " Right? If I gave you a definitive scale for all 10, you'd almost certainly disagree with every one. And that's grossly oversimplified. To fully quantify beauty requires some really hairy calculus, because physical beauty deals with various ratios, which don't change linearly.

And even if someone came up with such a scale, nobody would agree with it. Why? Because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ".

[QUOTE]I am telling guys they can date the elites and 10's, and you are saying they cannot. With your crew, everything is we can get better for cheaper than you, and I am telling everyone that you all are full of shit.[/QUOTE]No. I've been telling guys they are almost all getting girls from the same pool. And most of them aren't "dating. " They're fucking. Sometimes they fuck the same girl for several days, sometimes they fuck several girls every day. Some are paying 50 k, others pay 500 k, but chances are, the 500 k girls live in the same type of situation as the 50 k girls.

When CFI's (Clueless Fucking Idiots) start trying to rationalize that their girl is "elite", show me on the map where she lives. She might be prettier, have better clothes and know how to speak English, but her chassis rolled out of the same factory as the girls on the street in El Centro.

[QUOTE]Hell, you had a girl from estrato 4 so my girl had to be lower. Of course, she was from estrato 6 and as I said, I did not care, but you sure as hell did. So you lost 6 to 4 with your rules. LOL.[/QUOTE]If you didn't care, why do you keep bringing it up? Why did you demonstrate that you know nothing about the estrato system? Again, show me on the map where your old lady grew up. Show me on the map where she lived before you started paying her.

I'll repeat it again because you're a CFI. The estrato system is really nothing more than a generalized property tax assessment map. It's similar to the way property taxes are assessed in the US. A nice house in a bad neighborhood pays lower taxes than the same house in a better neighborhood. It's an objective map developed by the government for distribution of services, allocation of resources and taxation. There are no estrato 4 or 6 people. It's lines on a map.

I didn't lose anything. First, you had no clue about estratos, until I explained it. Second your old lady (I refuse to call a Colombian old enough to be a grandmother "girl") wasn't from estrato 6, wasn't from a wealthy family until after I pointed out the estrato system. And finally, it's not a competition. I'm fucking who I want, when I want and where I want. You're babbling about marrying retirement age hookers and raising their kids. Completely different game.

[QUOTE]And your butt buddy Viliany makes this comment about how the elites go to college, and if she was elite, she would have had to meet in college, and she and her baby's father did not meet there. Well, they did meet in university. I am laughing at how I could have corrected him but what then? The university was not elite? Her major would not have been elite? The question then became: why is your crew so invested in putting her down? And the answer is you all cannot handle someone doing better than you.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure you completely missed his point, but what else is new. Socially "elite" families tend towards conservative values. Slutty daughters getting knocked up violates those values and hurts family reputation. While it's no big deal for the lower classes, it's rare amongst the "elite. ".

[QUOTE]I am out of the game man. This was not winning an argument. It was identifying to everyone the fucking losers with the inferiority complexes who do not want other board members here to do well. It was payback for your all fucking harassment and now everyone knows who the jealous asshole losers really are.[/QUOTE]Inferiority complexes? Who on ISG says things like "nobody can do what I've done?" That's just 1 of 100 times or more where you've claimed ridiculous shit trying to make yourself look better. Then you claim everyone wants what you have, when almost everyone else is laughing at what you have. That's why everyone else is here, because they have no interest in waking up to a worn out old piece of ass and have to pay to raise her kids. Almost everyone else would rather fuck something young and sweet and then send her away.

Don't want other board members to do well? That's mainly what I do. I answer questions, offer advice and help others do well when they visit Medellin. I don't waste their time with meaningless bullshit about how wonderful and perfect some old hooker is. I tell them what they need to know.

Now we're all losers? There's nothing to be jealous of. There's nothing about your situation that anyone wants. But losers? In what? Practically everyone else on ISG just wants to find girls to fuck. They aren't looking for "The Idiot's Guide to Marrying Old Colombian Hookers with Kids. " If they were, you'd have a best seller.

In the ISG game winning is easy.

1. Travel internationally.

2. Fuck.

3. Repeat as necessary.

4. Don't get stuck with 1 old hooker.

Hmmm. Looks like everyone but you has a perfect score.

[QUOTE]And let me tell you from a popularity contest with Covid, you won, but that is not the game I was playing. My game was challenging everyone else to gain knowledge. Was Covid another scare like AIDS and condoms from the government, or was it real? I argued to see what I missed. Well, there were more risks than AIDS for sure but once I had the appropriate risk: benefit scale, I played Covid to my advantage and had the time of my life. And without Covid, I never would have met the woman who is the envy of every friend I have. So you won the argument on a hooker forum, and I got a 10. Feel better now, Mr. Winner?[/QUOTE]You've never gained knowledge. How can you challenge others to do what you've never attempted?

Ah yes. This is an example of that knowledge? Over 10,000 people die from AIDS in the US each year and more than 50 k are newly infected with HIV. Protection against HIV infection is a common topic on ISG. While risk of transmission is very low for heterosexual men, there's no denying the severity of AIDS. Fortunately, there are now drugs to control the HIV infection. It certainly wasn't a government scare. Since the government refused to acknowledge the existence of AIDS for several years.

And Covid. Your stance on Covid changed quicker than the diapers in a maternity ward and had the exact same content. You flip-flopped every day on everything. And every single time you were shown to be full of shit. I'll just toss a number out. Now remember, you firmly stated that US Covid deaths would never exceed 80,000. 1. 12 million. Just in the US.

Which brings us back to the old woman who is the envy of every friend you have.

1. If they're your friend, their judgment is already horrible. After all, you're the guy who proclaimed what a great friend Paulie was. Yet, when I detailed just how good of a friend Paulie was, even though he's been on ISG longer, not 1 single person, not even you, came to his defense. Even Paulie stayed off ISG for a month after that.

2. You appear to only have 1 or 2 friends and if they're anything like you, they would be envious of almost any woman with a pulse.

There's no argument to win. You're arguing that everyone wants to marry worn out old hookers with kids and everyone else is saying "ewwww. " You're arguing that nobody else will use a subjective scale objectively and everyone else is saying "how the fuck do you do that. " You're arguing that you're the best at everything and everyone else is jealous and has an inferiority complex, while everyone else is laughing at you being a textbook example of an inferiority complex.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2785433]Technically, he bought the moto for his girlfriend. He did not pay for sex with her. It's like Mr E has mentioned that he recently found out his girlfriend actually is a hooker after he posted their WhatsApp conversation. I don't know what part makes that stupid?[/QUOTE]She wasn't his girlfriend in reality, is the point. She was just one of many hookers he was fucking. Remember how he kept re-numbering his chicas? The only way buying a hooker a moto makes any sense is if you are going to be seeing her for a heck of a long time and want to take away one potential excuse for being maddenlying late [B]all the fucking time.[/B].

So JJBee living out his life typing out War and Peace on Stupid Shit. I don't even need to read the drawn out posts, which I haven't. What we see though is a life lost, desperately grasping for some kind of validation on a thread formed to segregate disruptions or anything else that deters us from the forum's purpose. JJBee, die in peace.

My god you losers are still babbling about the same BS smh. You gossip more than housewives LOL, just joking don't get butt hurt. I just got back from Medellin a couple days ago. Had an amazing time, already making plans to go back! And no miraculously the only thing I got drowned in was pussy not scopolamine. Got to do tourist things, enjoyed many nice restaurant's with my "elite" looking instagram thot who wanted to stay with me the whole trip LOL, and learned a lot about the history and culture. The only bad impression I received were some douche bag foreigners coming off the plane being loud and wearing shades at the airport like they were ready to hit lleras, I thought to myself no wonder locals don't like these type of imbeciles. Other than that it was a blast. Obviously didn't have time to be on here during my trip, but now that I'm back I'll be glad to answer any questions any newbies my have.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2785631]My god you losers are still babbling about the same BS smh. You gossip more than housewives LOL, just joking don't get butt hurt. I just got back from Medellin a couple days ago. Had an amazing time, already making plans to go back! And no miraculously the only thing I got drowned in was pussy not scopolamine. Got to do tourist things, enjoyed many nice restaurant's with my "elite" looking instagram thot who wanted to stay with me the whole trip LOL, and learned a lot about the history and culture. The only bad impression I received were some douche bag foreigners coming off the plane being loud and wearing shades at the airport like they were ready to hit lleras, I thought to myself no wonder locals don't like these type of imbeciles. Other than that it was a blast. Obviously didn't have time to be on here during my trip, but now that I'm back I'll be glad to answer any questions any newbies my have.[/QUOTE]We all have a good time when there. How can you possibly not have a good time where your dollars are worth five times more? Where prostitution and drug enforcement don't exist? It's a world Americans only dream of, and though they get plenty wrong there, they get some things right. That said, lower your guard for a moment then you can get the "scopolamine" or worse, as there are eyes on your cocky ass. That's said for you, and the audience.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2785726]We all have a good time when there. How can you possibly not have a good time where your dollars are worth five times more? Where prostitution and drug enforcement don't exist? It's a world Americans only dream of, and though they get plenty wrong there, they get some things right. That said, lower your guard for a moment then you can get the "scopolamine" or worse, as there are eyes on your cocky ass. That's said for you, and the audience.[/QUOTE]Oh no sir, I never lowered my guard while I was there. I was always paying attention to my surroundings. That's the only downside to it is that you have to be vigilant at all times.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2785427]Since we are here on this section of the forum, I will ask a Q that we have discussed before. Elvis, why would someone want to "get the most sought after women"?

I mean, for example. I never listen to the most sought after music. I like my own choices. I don't buy a car based on which model is most popular either. Why would I seek the most sought after women?[/QUOTE]I addressed that TK. I said if you are happy eating hamburger when other are eating steak you should actually be happy. You are satisfied and paying less.

The issue is arguing that the hamburger is more or in equal demand than the steak, and other guys are stupid paying for the steak.

When I showed a pic of a beauty queen I went out with, the losers here said she was lying and no beauty queen. That told me they are not really happy with their hamburger. They just do not want other guys getting steak.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2785427]I know he DOES (at least occassionally) buy drinks for girls[/QUOTE]Gee, that is a shocker. / sarc.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2785427] but I am almost 100% certain he would not be seeking "the most sought after women".[/QUOTE]Yeah, and unlike the rest of the loser crew, he does admit to that. He and Huacho tripped all over themselves when I mentioned that buying an in demand girl a drink was the cost of speaking to her. What they were trying to say is that it was stupid and a expense, and when they did it, it was an investment, a hope the drink would get the woman in bed.

Of course, a woman in demand can charge a higher price. That is one of the laws of supply and demand. JJBee's crew just does not like that fact, and so they spin all these fantasies to try to get around it. All women are the same. You cannot tell which women are in high demand ETC.

My point was be happy with the hamburger or get off your ass and do what it takes to get the steak. And STFU about guys doing what it takes to get the steak.

Thing is I admit that some of the time I was happy with hamburger an on occasion it was better than steak, and in your case TK, I am not sure I have read where you chastise guys going for the most in demand women.

With Mr. E, he may say he is happy with the average looking women but what he does tells me he really feels otherwise.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2785527]She wasn't his girlfriend in reality, is the point.[/QUOTE]Nope.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2785527]She was just one of many hookers he was fucking.[/QUOTE]Nope.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2785527]The only way buying a hooker a moto[/QUOTE]Nope.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2785527]makes any sense is if you are going to be seeing her for a heck of a long time[/QUOTE]What does a "heck of a long time" mean in real terms?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2785527]and want to take away one potential excuse for being maddenlying late all the fucking time.[/QUOTE]WTF are you talking about? We stay in an apartment together. And maddenlying? I am guessing that is maddeningly. What do I or we have to be on time for in Colombia?

Nounce already corrected you on when I bought the scooter, and yet you insisted you were right when you were wrong. Your making shit up just shows everyone you are a drunk, cowardly, stupid, piling on loser who lives in the gutters. Pick yourself up or STFU about how everyone else lives.

If you're a lion, make your own pride. Don't be a chump taking on the responsibility of a baby mama and some other man's cub. And don't be butthurt when men scoff at the notion that a woman in her 30's who got impregnated by some loser is a 10 or elite.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785820]Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

What does a "heck of a long time" mean in real terms?

WTF are you talking about? We stay in an apartment together. And maddenlying? I am guessing that is maddeningly. What do I or we have to be on time for in Colombia?

Nounce already corrected you on when I bought the scooter, and yet you insisted you were right when you were wrong. Your making shit up just shows everyone you are a drunk, cowardly, stupid, piling on loser who lives in the gutters. Pick yourself up or STFU about how everyone else lives.[/QUOTE]I really hate to bring this to your attention Elvis, but he wasn't talking about you. Huacho was talking about another monger who bought his girlfriend a motorcycle. I only mention it because I think it is well established that you can't read, and this is just another one of many examples.

Oddly enough not every post is about you.

Hey jjb, since you know about the webcam industry. What's this I over heard with one of the girls who spent the night with me complaining to her friend on the phone about how she is getting ripped off by one of her webcam bosses? She was telling her friend about how most new girls get ripped off and that they basically work for free because the boss tells them they owe money.

I asked her why doesn't she just do it independently and have her own onlyfans or whatever. She explained because this webcam studio already has a huge following and it would take time to build a client base. Not to mention she wouldn't be able to keep a low profile. Sounds like she works with that Juan Bustos character you mention.

Is this true? Do they take advantage of new girls? Are these studios professional? Another question is do they get sexually involve with their talent? Sounds to me like a money grab or a way to fuck the new girls to repay there debt. I can't imagine them being so professional if that's what's going on.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785820]WTF are you talking about? We stay in an apartment together.

Nounce already corrected you on when I bought the scooter, and yet you insisted you were right when you were wrong. Your making shit up just shows everyone you are a drunk, cowardly, stupid, piling on loser who lives in the gutters. Pick yourself up or STFU about how everyone else lives.[/QUOTE]So you could not save at least 2 of those dollars that you spend on that single mom and that other man's kid to go to the dollar store to buy some reading glasses? But I guess a hit dog will holler.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2782547]It's not a 'privilege' to buy anybody a drink. It might be a kindness, it might be an investment, it might just be your shout, but anyone who thinks it is a 'privilege' to buy any person of any gender of any level of attractiveness a drink is observably stupid. [b]I've known mongers to buy cars for hookers (or motos ja ja Osteo)[/b] and that is also observably stupid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2785572]So JJBee living out his life typing out War and Peace on Stupid Shit. I don't even need to read the drawn out posts, which I haven't. What we see though is a life lost, desperately grasping for some kind of validation on a thread formed to segregate disruptions or anything else that deters us from the forum's purpose. JJBee, die in peace.[/QUOTE]Imagine you are rolling dice with JJBee and the higher roll wins. He rolls a 4. You roll a 6 but do not tell him. He then decides you have rolled a 1,2, or 3, and then he goes on and on about his victory in his typical narcissistic tone. His Butt Buddy Viliany pops in and agrees with him because he is an expert on 5's and 6's and makes up all these dumb rules as to why I cannot have one.

After a week of sheer cockiness, I tell Lebron I actually rolled a 6 but I do not care because the game I was playing was making him look like an ass. His War and Peace novel was an attempt to say he won and was not an ass. Among his excuses was that I did not understand the numbers on the dice, and the rules of throwing dice, and he proclaimed himself the victor.

It was the same with Viliany and stocks. He loses and then goes on the narcissistic rant about how he did not lose but I just cannot understand how he won.

Mr. E says I am gay. Huacho calls me late. And the two of them cannot make up their mind why you buy a woman a drink and if they ever do. It is 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 against and because these idiots think they are in the majority, they think what they say cannot be stupid when it is the dumbest shit anyone has ever read.

But they still are desperate to win and won't shut up. My guess is that they think their board cred comes from their perpetuation of the myth that they are getting it for better and cheaper than you but it is pretty obvious from this discussion with all their lies and stupid comments that they are full of shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2785888]So you could not save at least 2 of those dollars that you spend on that single mom and that other man's kid to go to the dollar store to buy some reading glasses? [/QUOTE]First, there was the gay comment and now this. How old are you? 12?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785814]I addressed that TK. I said if you are happy eating hamburger when other are eating steak you should actually be happy.
My point was be happy with the hamburger or get off your ass and do what it takes to get the steak. And STFU about guys doing what it takes to get the steak.
... in your case TK, I am not sure I have read where you chastise guys going for the most in demand women.
[/QUOTE]Hey Elvis. I haven't chastised anyone for choosing the girls that they want. The main thing that annoys me about these exchanges is htose people that tell others that they know best whio the girls are that others should be choosing. I think we all know who the main culprit is in that regard.

And about your steak v hamburger analogy. What if your a vegan? And I mean that metaphorically (for a change! Hehe. Meaning that your desires are just totally different to others. Thats a legitimate choice, and why this 1-10 scale is total nonsense. Nothing to do w price, everything to do w preference.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2785876]Hey jjb, since you know about the webcam industry. What's this I over heard with one of the girls who spent the night with me complaining to her friend on the phone about how she is getting ripped off by one of her webcam bosses? She was telling her friend about how most new girls get ripped off and that they basically work for free because the boss tells them they owe money.

I asked her why doesn't she just do it independently and have her own onlyfans or whatever. She explained because this webcam studio already has a huge following and it would take time to build a client base. Not to mention she wouldn't be able to keep a low profile. Sounds like she works with that Juan Bustos character you mention.

Is this true? Do they take advantage of new girls? Are these studios professional? Another question is do they get sexually involve with their talent? Sounds to me like a money grab or a way to fuck the new girls to repay there debt. I can't imagine them being so professional if that's what's going on.[/QUOTE]Any new model, no matter what she looks like, or how well she interacts on camera, needs a minimum of 6 weeks before she'll start making even a minimal amount of money. On her first day, she'll usually make a few dollars, literally $2-$3. Over the next 3 weeks she'll average less than $1 per day. Somewhere in the 4th week she'll start getting a bit more and if she sticks with it by 6 weeks she might be making $20 per day. From there, it might take off or stabilize at under $50 per day.

During that time the webcam studio is paying her a certain amount, depending on the studio, either daily or weekly, provided she shows up on time and puts in her hours. It's a serious grind, 6 to 8 hours daily trying to keep smiling and have energy and getting nothing. It's why most webcam models only last a few weeks.

The studio is providing a workspace, the necessary equipment (computer, camera, lights), toys, sometimes clothing and a stable high-speed internet connection. The studio also provides a monitor (an online mentor, cheerleader, coach and supervisor). In exchange, after the probation and guaranteed pay period the studio usually takes 50%. There are a bunch of factors to raise or lower the studio cut.

Depending on the studio, after the probation period, they dock the model for the money advanced to them, until the debt is paid.

Are the studios professional? Depends on the studio. Many places are just fly by night places put up by wannabe pimps. Juan Bustos has over 2,000 models, some outside of Colombia. Several years ago he received a $1 million USD grant from Cam4 (a webcam platform) to set up his own webcam platform, QCams. It never took off though. He has lawyers, accountants and an international liason. He has his own magazine dedicated to webcam, runs a school teaching everything about how to succeed as a webcam model and has hundreds of apartments in Poblado used by his models. Both OnlyFans and PornHub have people in Medellin assigned to his studio. So yes, professional.

Do they get sexually involved with the talent? Depends on the studio. When I was there Juan had a webcam model girlfriend. I monitored for her for awhile. She was a pain in the ass diva and impossible to work with, mostly because she was fucking the boss. I'm sure over the years there have been plenty of others.

Is it a money grab? Again, Depends on the studio. At a rough guess, he's probably got expenses of $250,000+ monthly and a new model is about a $2,000 investment before she starts breaking even. And like I said, most don't last long enough to break even.

The reason why girls don't start independent is because they can't afford the initial investment. They also have no idea what they're doing. They don't know English well enough to handle chat and they are lost with dealing with all the weirdos and rude pricks. Plus, most of them have the hooker work ethic: "If I've got money I don't need to work. ".

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2785572]So JJBee living out his life typing out War and Peace on Stupid Shit. I don't even need to read the drawn out posts, which I haven't. What we see though is a life lost, desperately grasping for some kind of validation on a thread formed to segregate disruptions or anything else that deters us from the forum's purpose. JJBee, die in peace.[/QUOTE]Oh my! Someone got their tender little feelings hurt.

Stings when someone goes in depth on all your bullshit and not one single person even gives you a nod. Surely someone on ISG, who has spent time with you can chime in with something positive about you. But total crickets. Fuck, even Elvis has a cheerleader.

Well, I suppose you can always call your Colombian friend and see if he wants to hang out and drug and rob you again.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2785527]... Remember how he kept re-numbering his chicas? ....[/QUOTE]The numbers are ranking for his girlfriends that he does not pay for sex. The one that he bought moto for was his number 1, and was still number 1 before he disappeared. I understand what you said about the hooker part and I am not debating that.

Here I am, thinking about how much he, Elvis and JjB have a common, and I mean in a respectful way.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786042]Mr. E says I am gay. Huacho calls me late. , they think what they say cannot be stupid when it is the dumbest shit anyone has ever read.[/QUOTE]Because your reading and comprehension skills are shit. I never said you were gay. You said you were like a gay cartoon character. All I did was point out the guy was gay. Huacho pointed out something that another board member did, explicitly naming the person. Yet with your reading and comprehension you and the other member must share the same name or either you desperately want someone to be talking about you and can not imagine when they are not.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786063]
And about your steak v hamburger analogy. What if your a vegan? And I mean that metaphorically (for a change! Hehe. Meaning that your desires are just totally different to others. Thats a legitimate choice, and why this 1-10 scale is total nonsense. Nothing to do w price, everything to do w preference.[/QUOTE]Think of a 1 as the least in demand woman and a 10 as the most in demand woman appearance wise. If you are truly happy with less desirable women, I have no issue with that.

Thing that guys here do not want to admit is the more in demand women can ask for more and get it and IMO the approach to win said women has to be different.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786149]The numbers are ranking for his girlfriends that he does not pay for sex. The one that he bought moto for was his number 1, and was still number 1 before he disappeared. I understand what you said about the hooker part and I am not debating that.
[/QUOTE]I never rated women 1 to 10. You guys are confusing me with Osteoknot who did.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2786117] The reason why girls don't start independent is because they can't afford the initial investment. They also have no idea what they're doing. They don't know English well enough to handle chat and they are lost with dealing with all the weirdos and rude pricks. Plus, most of them have the hooker work ethic: "If I've got money I don't need to work. ".[/QUOTE]Yes I guess there's a lot to consider and like she said she wants to keep a low profile and wouldn't be able to do that if she wanted to go independent. She doesn't seem to enjoy working for the studio and would rather go to panama with her hooker friends. That's another thing I noticed, what's up with girls being recruited to panama? Didn't realize panama was much of a monger town or I guess maybe they get paid better over there. Sounds like usually it's for parties or trios.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786182]Think of a 1 as the least in demand woman and a 10 as the most in demand woman appearance wise. If you are truly happy with less desirable women, I have no issue with that.
[/QUOTE]I don't seek out most nor the least in demand women. I simply seek girls that I desire (me).

Given your explanation Elvis, you must admit then that a girl could be a 10 in 1 country, but say only a 3 or 4 in another country (different countries / cultures demand different women). Furthermore, a woman could be a 10 in 1 context, yet only a 3 or 4 in another. So, likesays, the sclae is pointless.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786217]That's another thing I noticed, what's up with girls being recruited to panama? Didn't realize panama was much of a monger town.[/QUOTE]Def it is. There are a few nightclubs with working girls, mostly Colombianas, but also from other Latin countries. And Panama is also quite expensive compared to Colombia, so clients are used to paying far more money for girls. . And it's cheap and easy for Colombian girls to get to.

There are however, some clubs there at the other end of the scale. I found a bar close to the entrance to the old town where it was USD 10 a session. There was 40 or 50 girls in the bar, again, mostly Colombians. Super boring city though. Dunno why tourists go there.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786336]I don't seek out most nor the least in demand women. I simply seek girls that I desire (me).

Given your explanation Elvis, you must admit then that a girl could be a 10 in 1 country, but say only a 3 or 4 in another country (different countries / cultures demand different women). Furthermore, a woman could be a 10 in 1 context, yet only a 3 or 4 in another. So, likesays, the sclae is pointless.[/QUOTE]A single mom in her mid 30's like he has is closer to a 1 than a 10 for most guys yet he tries to convince everyone his baby mama with some other man's child is elite and that she's better than the chicas others on the board are getting (huge fuckin eye roll).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786183].... You guys are confusing me with Osteoknot who did.[/QUOTE]We ae talking about him.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2785820]Nounce already corrected you on when I bought the scooter, and yet you insisted you were right when you were wrong. Your making shit up just shows everyone you are a drunk, cowardly, stupid, piling on loser who lives in the gutters. Pick yourself up or STFU about how everyone else lives.[/QUOTE]I was talking about Osteo buying a scooter. I didn't know you were also stupid enough to buy one for somebody. It doesn't surprise me though. If we ever meet again we can talk about cowardly, you fat piece of shit. Not sure where all the stuff about me being a drunk comes from. I just like to drink beer. It kind of reminds me of another fat piece of shit who said I was a loser who could not hold a job. At the time he posted this, I was in the eleventh year at the same job. Now I am retired with plenty of money so fuck you.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786042]Huacho calls me late.[/QUOTE]Dude. I have never called you late. I have called you fat, stupid, and illiterate. You could maybe lose weight but there is just no cure for stupid and you have zero reading comprehension.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786149]The numbers are ranking for his girlfriends that he does not pay for sex. The one that he bought moto for was his number 1, and was still number 1 before he disappeared. I understand what you said about the hooker part and I am not debating that. [/QUOTE]Yeah, right, did not pay them for sex. Would you like to buy some swamp land in Florida? Or are you just too dumb to realize that buying a moto is paying for sex?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786149]The numbers are ranking for his girlfriends that he does not pay for sex. The one that he bought moto for was his number 1, and was still number 1 before he disappeared. I understand what you said about the hooker part and I am not debating that.

Here I am, thinking about how much he, Elvis and JjB have a common, and I mean in a respectful way.[/QUOTE]I believe that only the top 1 or 2 didn't get paid, but received compensation in other ways. The higher numbers were getting paid.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786182]Think of a 1 as the least in demand woman and a 10 as the most in demand woman appearance wise. If you are truly happy with less desirable women, I have no issue with that.

Thing that guys here do not want to admit is the more in demand women can ask for more and get it and IMO the approach to win said women has to be different.[/QUOTE]Most and least desirable to whom? That's the heart of the matter. If you read enough in any forum, you'll find plenty of examples. Monger A wants short and thin, Monger be wants curvy with silicone, Monger see wants tall and wispy, Monger the wants 25-30 years old, Monger E only wants 18-20.

Depending on where you are in the world, the most in demand women might look like trash to you, while the least in demand is what you find desirable.

However, in most cases the most in demand women aren't available anyway. Someone else has already spent more than you can afford, or she was never looking for anyone outside her area.

If you're competing with other men, to land the most in demand woman, you're just one of the pack fighting over the same scrap. Especially if you're looking for something long term, someone worth investing in.

It's because desire goes both ways. The hottest woman on the planet is worth nothing to me if she doesn't also desire me. Not my money, not a green card, not even my famous pancakes. Me. If I've got to outspend everyone else to get her, she's not worth more than $75 to me. I'll fuck her, pay her and maybe cook her breakfast, but there's no reason to support her.

You're looking for a girl on a pedestal, overlooking their admirers and wondering how much she can get from the chumps. I'm looking for the girl who ignores all the clowns waving money, because she's looking for me.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786217]Yes I guess there's a lot to consider and like she said she wants to keep a low profile and wouldn't be able to do that if she wanted to go independent. She doesn't seem to enjoy working for the studio and would rather go to panama with her hooker friends. That's another thing I noticed, what's up with girls being recruited to panama? Didn't realize panama was much of a monger town or I guess maybe they get paid better over there. Sounds like usually it's for parties or trios.[/QUOTE]That's the hooker mentality. That's why, no matter how much they make they end up with nothing. They want to work for an hour, get paid for a week and party until they run out of money.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786183]I never rated women 1 to 10. You guys are confusing me with Osteoknot who did.[/QUOTE]Again, anywhere in his post did you see him say ELVIS?! He IS talking about Osteoknot, but you are so on edge hoping someone is talking about you and your elder elite 10 estrato 6 single mom that you assume they are when they are not.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786339]Def it is. There are a few nightclubs with working girls, mostly Colombianas, but also from other Latin countries. And Panama is also quite expensive compared to Colombia, so clients are used to paying far more money for girls. . And it's cheap and easy for Colombian girls to get to.

There are however, some clubs there at the other end of the scale. I found a bar close to the entrance to the old town where it was USD 10 a session. There was 40 or 50 girls in the bar, again, mostly Colombians. Super boring city though. Dunno why tourists go there.[/QUOTE]That's crazy, I was just reading some posts here in the Panama section and those guys are nuts, paying basically usa prices $400 per day for girls when I paid less than $300 total for 3 whole days with a supermodel looking Colombian in medellin.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786386] If we ever meet again we can talk about cowardly, you fat piece of shit. Not sure where all the stuff about me being a drunk comes from. I just like to drink beer. It kind of reminds me of another fat piece of shit who said I was a loser who could not hold a job. At the time he posted this, I was in the eleventh year at the same job. Now I am retired with plenty of money so fuck you.[/QUOTE]Wait elvis is fat?

This isn't directed at anybody specifically but if you are fat and overweight perhaps you should spend more time in the gym than chasing hookers or commenting on a hooker forum. I'm sorry but I can't respect anybody who has no self discipline. I wonder how many fat boys on here are actually judging single mothers, that would be pathetic because you really don't have room to talk if you yourself look pregnant.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786390]Yeah, right, did not pay them for sex. Would you like to buy some swamp land in Florida? Or are you just too dumb to realize that buying a moto is paying for sex?[/QUOTE]Based on this logic, does it mean girlfriend will become prostitute even if one buys one's girlfriend a $5 dinner?

You think I am debating with you about something when I am not.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786463]Wait elvis is fat?

This isn't directed at anybody specifically but if you are fat and overweight perhaps you should spend more time in the gym than chasing hookers or commenting on a hooker forum. I'm sorry but I can't respect anybody who has no self discipline. I wonder how many fat boys on here are actually judging single mothers, that would be pathetic because you really don't have room to talk if you yourself look pregnant.[/QUOTE]Apparently he is fat according to others in this thread. Not that it matters but I'm not fat and athletically built if nothing else. However, that's not the point. I have nothing against single moms for pump and dump. The issue is when a guy who acts like a know it all keeps trying to say his single mom in her mid 30's is elite and better than what anyone else is getting. Like I said, for pump and dump single moms can be great and I partake often, but I'm not getting into a serious relationship with or playing house with one and paying her and her kid's bills unless that's the best I can do, which seems to be the case for your guy. Well, I suppose was your guy until you found out he was fat and you're now distancing yourself from.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786463]Wait elvis is fat?

This isn't directed at anybody specifically but if you are fat and overweight perhaps you should spend more time in the gym than chasing hookers or commenting on a hooker forum. I'm sorry but I can't respect anybody who has no self discipline. I wonder how many fat boys on here are actually judging single mothers, that would be pathetic because you really don't have room to talk if you yourself look pregnant.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone is judging single mothers, although we've been pretty harsh. What people are judging is the position that a single mother is preferable to a single woman with no kids.

If you're just fucking for fun it doesn't matter if they have kids, or a boyfriend or even husband. But if you're looking for a wife, that's different. Not only is it an added expense and responsibility, kids limit your options. You can't be spontaneous. You have to make plans for the kid and any kid related problems mean the fun is over.

Then there's the dark side, especially with a daughter. All the mother or daughter has to do is say that you did something inappropriate and you're fighting to stay out of prison. Forget about your reputation. It's toast immediately.

Of course no women are vindictive or willing to lie about something to get what they want, so it has probably never happened.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786484]Based on this logic, does it mean girlfriend will become prostitute even if one buys one's girlfriend a $5 dinner?

You think I am debating with you about something when I am not.[/QUOTE]Actually I think your English is not quite good enough to get some of the nuances in here. You take things very literally.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786463]Wait elvis is fat?[/QUOTE]When I met him, I thought he looked like a bag of melted caramels. That was pushing twenty years ago. Now he probably looks like a bag of melted caramels that just got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786460]those guys are nuts, paying basically usa prices $400 per day for girls when I paid less than $300 total for 3 whole days with a supermodel looking Colombian in medellin.[/QUOTE]Some would say your nuts too, paying so much. All things are relative.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786463] if you are fat and overweight [/QUOTE]Could it be otherwise?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786609]I thought he looked like a bag of melted caramels. Now he probably looks like a bag of melted caramels that just got dumped out of a vacuum cleaner bag.[/QUOTE]I am struggling, yet having fun, to think what a bag of melted caramels looks like.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786608]Actually I think your English is not quite good enough to get some of the nuances in here. You take things very literally.[/QUOTE]It can be said about you similarly, it seems you treat human relationship as black and white.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786680]Some would say your nuts too, paying so much. All things are relative.[/QUOTE]I would say he was nuts for giving a more than likely uneducated third world hooker $100 per day. People in the USA with the same education and skill level do not make that much if they are being paid the $7. 25 per hour minimum wage. Unless his dick was inside of her 24 hours of each day. Otherwise he probably bought food for her and took her places, which made is actual cost more than the $100 that he actually handed her. Definitely relative.

A buddy put this meme up in one of our chats a few weeks back. I pointed out that the guy actually cheated himself if he was not fucking her 24 hours of each day. He was paying her more to wait around than to do what he was actually paying her for.

"but he was not going to be fucking her 24 hours in a row for 6 days. Diminishing returns. Smarter to pay the 100 and be done than 30 times more. Her joy was because she was going to make a lot more to sit around and do nothing. ".

[QUOTE=Nounce;2786692]It can be said about you similarly, it seems you treat human relationship as black and white.[/QUOTE]Well, I have 'human relationships' with a lot of black women and a lot of white women, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786463]Wait elvis is fat?[/QUOTE]I have not met anyone in this thread outside of Dramafree, and I described myself as overweight which I am. It went from that to I am a 400 lb whale. Of course, all these losers accepted that.

When it came to dating a beauty queen or an elite 10, they did not believe that. So they completely believe the negative but not the positive and that is the point. My point was that I was overweight and got an elite 10 which is all the more impressive. You have to be really, really skilled to do that, and I wanted to inspire guys, all guys that they could do it because if I could do what it took to get one, they could too. But it took time, work, money, and desire to achieve said goal.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786463]I'm sorry but I can't respect anybody who has no self discipline. I wonder how many fat boys on here are actually judging single mothers, that would be pathetic because you really don't have room to talk if you yourself look pregnant.[/QUOTE]Yeah, well, sorry, I cannot respect anyone who is a hypocritical stupid idiot. Which one helps least with weight loss? Gastric bypass, ozempic, or your choice of exercise? The correct answer is exercise and you do not know that because you are stupid. And it takes zero self discipline to get surgery or take a shot.

And you and everyone else here is a hypocrite on the weight issue who called me fat. We cannot use a 1 to 10 scale with regards to what men desire, but we know what women want women want on a 1 to 10 scale, and they do not want fat or overweight man like me. They want a guy like you. You cannot get more hypocritical than that. LOL.

And who the fuck are you to tell other people what to do? Fat guys should be in the gym versus getting women? What you are really saying is you are afraid that the women might like fat guys who have more game or are more generous than you are, and you do not want to deal with the competition.

And isn't the point of paying for women that it does level the playing field? Aren't you a cowardly chicken shit that a fat guy might pay more for a woman and beat you? And doesn't that mean that a fat guy outworked you? The last I checked, no one was handing out money to people who were fat, and fat people have a helluva lot harder time advancing in the work place.

Anthony, I am happy you went on Instagram and got a great looking woman who wanted to spend time with you but somehow you think I am not deserving of the same, and that is what makes you a fucking asshole.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2786497]Apparently he is fat according to others in this thread. Not that it matters but I'm not fat and athletically built if nothing else. However, that's not the point. I have nothing against single moms for pump and dump. The issue is when a guy who acts like a know it all keeps trying to say his single mom in her mid 30's is elite and better than what anyone else is getting. Like I said, for pump and dump single moms can be great and I partake often, but I'm not getting into a serious relationship with or playing house with one and paying her and her kid's bills unless that's the best I can do, which seems to be the case for your guy. Well, I suppose was your guy until you found out he was fat and you're now distancing yourself from.[/QUOTE]I don't favor anyone on this board. I'm not on anyone's side. But that is correct, I might get along or like you but if you have no self discipline about your physique and especially if you are being judge mental about others peoples weight when you yourself aren't fit, don't expect me to take you serious.

I agree also about women with kids, been there done that and not going back to that. I'm not looking for anything serious and if I was why would I even be on a forum like this. But yes, if I was looking to be serious with a woman she would have to be at least 30 and no kids, which might not be easy to find and that's fine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786806]I have not met anyone in this thread outside of Dramafree, and I described myself as overweight which I am. It went from that to I am a 400 lb whale. Of course, all these losers accepted that.

who the fuck are you to tell other people what to do? Fat guys should be in the gym versus getting women? What you are really saying is you are afraid that the women might like fat guys who have more game or are more generous than you are, and you do not want to deal with the competition.

And isn't the point of paying for women that it does level the playing field? Aren't you a cowardly chicken shit that a fat guy might pay more for a woman and beat you? And doesn't that mean that a fat guy outworked you? The last I checked, no one was handing out money to people who were fat, and fat people have a helluva lot harder time advancing in the work place.

Anthony, I am happy you went on Instagram and got a great looking woman who wanted to spend time with you but somehow you think I am not deserving of the same, and that is what makes you a fucking asshole.[/QUOTE]LOL wtf are you talking about? All I said is I don't have respect for dudes who are too fucking lazy and not have the self discipline to get their asses up and Work out and do something about their weight. If your fitness and health isn't a priority how do you expect anyone to take you seriously? As far as you getting laid or any other fat fuck getting laid I could care less, I don't care if you are deserving or not, that has nothing to do with me. Oh and trust me I'm not one bit insecure. I spar fat boys in the boxing gym all the time, several years ago I used to weight as high as 235 but now I'm around 180. But still not afraid to spar heavyweights. You think I'm worried about anyone LOL. Not to mention if you were in better shape you will have better stamina in the bedroom LOL. If that makes me an asshole so be it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2786699]I would say he was nuts for giving a more than likely uneducated third world hooker $100 per day. People in the USA with the same education and skill level do not make that much if they are being paid the $7. 25 per hour minimum wage. Unless his dick was inside of her 24 hours of each day. Otherwise he probably bought food for her and took her places, which made is actual cost more than the $100 that he actually handed her. Definitely relative.".[/QUOTE]I could see your point but just based off looks and chemistry to me she was worth $100 a day. From what I seen in the states, chicks as gorgeous as her, even some less beautiful ask for 1 k plus per day which I would never pay. $100 a day for a drop dead gorgeous playboy model looking girl IMO again "in my opinion" you will never get that in the states, not for $100 especially if you just met & that's only because after the 1st day I told her it was optional if she wanted to stay overnight or not and I wasn't going to pay her more than $100 to stay. But obviously the money, the amazing apartment I was staying at and the nights out was enough to keep her intrigued besides myself. Now I know This chick usually gets recruited with her friends to places like panama for triple what I was paying.

Since I came solo and wanted to try out nice restaurants & clubs / bars to me $100 for that company and unlimited sex, massages in the jacuzzi, not to mention she even cleaned the apartment LOL, all that was more than worth it but yeah after the 3rd day I had to kick her out because I wanted to explore more talent.

Now the problem will be avoiding her on my next visit. I might bring one of my mexico girls that wants to visit next time.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786710]Well, I have 'human relationships' with a lot of black women and a lot of white women, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]That's a good one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786806]My point was that I was overweight and got an elite 10 which is all the more impressive. You have to be really, really skilled to do that, and I wanted to inspire guys, all guys that they could do it because if I could do what it took to get one, they could too. But it took time, work, money, and desire to achieve said goal.[/QUOTE]It is not impressive. It is stupid. See a person knows right off if they like you. If I do not like a chick from the beginning, she can cook me all the gourmet meals and give me all the massages (use her skills) that she wants. It is not going to make me like her any more.

An example is a chick that I used to mess with 20 years ago. She is a PhD and has money. She wanted a serious relationship with me. She offered to pay my child support if I was in a relationship with her. She also wanted a kid with me and said I would not need to take care of the kid. I turned all that down because she really was not my type but I loved her as a friend because she is smart. We are still friends and speak often and she is still single and still offering to take me on trips and shit.

What you are describing is a person that did not really like you, but after you put in "WORK AND MONEY" they realized it may be beneficial to be with you. In other words it had nothing to do with your skill or you as a person and all of what they could get from you. Not saying fair exchange is a robbery; just saying stop being naive and illusioned. As has been said many times before, stop the money then come back and say how impressive it is. But you will not do that, because deep down inside you already know the truth.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786460]That's crazy, I was just reading some posts here in the Panama section and those guys are nuts, paying basically usa prices $400 per day for girls when I paid less than $300 total for 3 whole days with a supermodel looking Colombian in medellin.[/QUOTE]The thing about paying 100 dolar a day or the amount you paid is the minimum montly salary working everyday is around 200 $ depending on currency exchange 180 usd to 220. For you it might be cheap but for non gringos it is not. You paid her work for full month and a half in 3 days.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2786699]I would say he was nuts for giving a more than likely uneducated third world hooker $100 per day. People in the USA with the same education and skill level do not make that much if they are being paid the $7. 25 per hour minimum wage. Unless his dick was inside of her 24 hours of each day. Otherwise he probably bought food for her and took her places, which made is actual cost more than the $100 that he actually handed her. Definitely relative.

A buddy put this meme up in one of our chats a few weeks back. I pointed out that the guy actually cheated himself if he was not fucking her 24 hours of each day. He was paying her more to wait around than to do what he was actually paying her for.

"but he was not going to be fucking her 24 hours in a row for 6 days. Diminishing returns. Smarter to pay the 100 and be done than 30 times more. Her joy was because she was going to make a lot more to sit around and do nothing. ".[/QUOTE]100 bucks for a smoking hot girl, per day, is a great deal, even in Colombia. Mfs pay 200-300 USD for Gusto girls. Average looking FB chick charges 250 mil + taxi for a couple of hours. A quickie at La Isla is 350-400 mil plus entrance fee. Do your math. And El Centro chicks are too ugly and do not meet my minimum requirements, therefore, I don't care if they charge $10 or $100.

If you think $100 per day in MDE is not a good deal, go ahead and message the hottest girls on Seeking, Tinder, Instagram and offer them less, and see what happens. I'm sure you will be told to fuck off.

And why do you even compare minimum wage in the US to hooker rates in Colombia? Ugly crackheads in Miami, that I would not even touch, charge 200-250 USD for 1 hour.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786710]Well, I have 'human relationships' with a lot of black women and a lot of white women, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]What? No doggy?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787030] If you think $100 per day in MDE is not a good deal, go ahead and message the hottest girls on Seeking, Tinder, Instagram and offer them less, and see what happens. I'm sure you will be told to fuck off. [/QUOTE]That's even if they reply back, they will most likely ignore offers of a 100 or less. At least the "elite" looking ones haha.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2787026]The thing about paying 100 dolar a day or the amount you paid is the minimum montly salary working everyday is around 200 $ depending on currency exchange 180 usd to 220. For you it might be cheap but for non gringos it is not. You paid her work for full month and a half in 3 days.[/QUOTE]Well yes I understand that but you have to consider these minimum salary workers also aren't getting naked and letting someone randomly fuck them (at least not physically) for their salary. The same can be said for usa escorts who charge 8 k or more for overnights, But no one seems to question that.

Just because the average worker might make $10 a day does that mean a girl is only worth paying $10 a day? Of course not right. It's all about service and what you think it's deserving of, if I have the opportunity to bless someone and deserves it, I have no issues doing that whether its a uber driver, a waitress, hell I tipped my barber more than what I was charged because it was 3 times less expensive and better service than what I normally get in the states.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2786980]An example is a chick that I used to mess with 20 years ago. She is a PhD and has money. She wanted a serious relationship with me. She offered to pay my child support if I was in a relationship with her. She also wanted a kid with me and said I would not need to take care of the kid. I turned all that down because she really was not my type but I loved her as a friend because she is smart. We are still friends and speak often and she is still single and still offering to take me on trips [/QUOTE]Sounds like a very desperate individual. Why wasn't she your type?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786890]I could see your point but just based off looks and chemistry to me she was worth $100 a day. From what I seen in the states, chicks as gorgeous as her, even some less beautiful ask for 1 k plus per day which I would never pay. $100 a day for a drop dead gorgeous playboy model looking girl IMO again "in my opinion" you will never get that in the states, not for $100 especially if you just met & that's only because after the 1st day I told her it was optional if she wanted to stay overnight or not and I wasn't going to pay her more than $100 to stay. But obviously the money, the amazing apartment I was staying at and the nights out was enough to keep her intrigued besides myself. Now I know This chick usually gets recruited with her friends to places like panama for triple what I was paying.

Since I came solo and wanted to try out nice restaurants & clubs / bars to me $100 for that company and unlimited sex, massages in the jacuzzi, not to mention she even cleaned the apartment LOL, all that was more than worth it but yeah after the 3rd day I had to kick her out because I wanted to explore more talent.

Now the problem will be avoiding her on my next visit. I might bring one of my mexico girls that wants to visit next time.[/QUOTE]Here's my free advice:

If you enjoyed it, don't worry about it.

I've never paid a girl to spend multiple days with me. I've never even paid a girl to spend the night with me. That doesn't mean I've never had a girl spend the night, or spend multiple days, it's just not something I'm interested in paying for. Same for a BBBJ. I've never paid extra for it, never will.

If I'm paying a girl, it's to fuck. She might spend the night, but that's her call, extra payment isn't happening. If she starts asking for extra money for this or that, I say no thanks, bust my nut, give her the money and push her out the door.

That's me. It works for me. If paying $100 a day for 3 days works for you, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work for someone else. Could you have got the same for less? Probably. Who cares? If at the end of the day you're smiling about it, then don't worry about it.

However, it's always a good idea to consider the other side. In fact, you already did. You said you might have to hide from her next trip. If you had just fucked her a couple of times and sent her home, different girl each day, then next trip you could easily work her into the rotation without any problems.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786806]I have not met anyone in this thread outside of Dramafree, and I described myself as overweight which I am. It went from that to I am a 400 lb whale. Of course, all these losers accepted that.

When it came to dating a beauty queen or an elite 10, they did not believe that. So they completely believe the negative but not the positive and that is the point. My point was that I was overweight and got an elite 10 which is all the more impressive. You have to be really, really skilled to do that, and I wanted to inspire guys, all guys that they could do it because if I could do what it took to get one, they could too. But it took time, work, money, and desire to achieve said goal.

Yeah, well, sorry, I cannot respect anyone who is a hypocritical stupid idiot. Which one helps least with weight loss? Gastric bypass, ozempic, or your choice of exercise? The correct answer is exercise and you do not know that because you are stupid. And it takes zero self discipline to get surgery or take a shot.[/QUOTE]Bear with me. I'm having fun at your expense, again, after a difficult weekend.

Let's start with the 1-10 scale. Although it's not discussed here, doesn't the same scale apply to men? In other words, each man on here, could also be rated from 1-10.

So, in the eyes of women, you walk into the room, they look you over and hold up your score. What do you get? Isn't any woman accepting you just settling for someone fat and ugly because she lacks the game to land a 10? Isn't she just settling because she doesn't want to put in the work it takes to do better? Or putting up with your admitted shortcomings because she needs the money?

If she's in such high demand, isn't it likely there's someone also competing who has money and isn't fat? Otherwise, you're really not competing. Game is useless, unless you fuck them and move on. And a girl from a wealthy family, with a good job and a bright future, shouldn't put money and generosity at a higher value than physical attraction. Well, unless she's got some obvious shortcomings of her own.

Which leaves us with a problem. A woman, without flaw, ranked as among the most beautiful by all who see her, from a family of considerable wealth, with a fine education from a highly respected university, an absolute unicorn, can't attract 1 man of reasonable income who isn't fat and ugly, and thinks she's worth spending a few dollars on.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2786980]It is not impressive. It is stupid. See a person knows right off if they like you. If I do not like a chick from the beginning, she can cook me all the gourmet meals and give me all the massages (use her skills) that she wants. It is not going to make me like her any more.

An example is a chick that I used to mess with 20 years ago. She is a PhD and has money. She wanted a serious relationship with me. She offered to pay my child support if I was in a relationship with her. She also wanted a kid with me and said I would not need to take care of the kid. I turned all that down because she really was not my type but I loved her as a friend because she is smart. We are still friends and speak often and she is still single and still offering to take me on trips and shit.

What you are describing is a person that did not really like you, but after you put in "WORK AND MONEY" they realized it may be beneficial to be with you. In other words it had nothing to do with your skill or you as a person and all of what they could get from you. Not saying fair exchange is a robbery; just saying stop being naive and illusioned. As has been said many times before, stop the money then come back and say how impressive it is. But you will not do that, because deep down inside you already know the truth.[/QUOTE]Nothing is impressive if you're the only 1 claiming it's impressive. It's like making a fake "Man of the Year" Time magazine cover, hanging it on your wall and telling everyone about your incredible accomplishment and then getting offended when they point out it's all bullshit.

That bit reminded me of a PhD girl I met. I could have really fallen for her and I think she could have fallen for me. Just 1 problem. She knew I was still married, and I refused to use any excuses, or to claim we were getting divorced, although we were and eventually did.

First time we just hung out for several hours, purely platonic. Couldn't stop thinking about her. So I called her the next day. She was heading to a beach city for 5 days, the same city I was headed towards and didn't have to be there for 3 days. She had a nice hotel room, Oceanview, paid for by her boyfriend who supposedly was getting a divorce (I eventually met 3 other women with the same boyfriend, who never did get the divorce), but he wouldn't be there until the evening after I had to leave.

She told me I could stay there, 2 beds, but nothing was happening because I was still married and she had a boyfriend. That lasted for about 3 hours. Didn't take money, although I splurged on dinner the first night, didn't take time, or much effort. It didn't even take game. It just took, putting myself in front of her and knowing when to offer her food from my fingers. Although a moonlight stroll on an empty beach, after hand feeding her crab and letting her suck the butter from my fingers, helped to seal the deal.

Impressive? Not especially, but I highly recommend it.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2787026]The thing about paying 100 dolar a day or the amount you paid is the minimum montly salary working everyday is around 200 $ depending on currency exchange 180 usd to 220. For you it might be cheap but for non gringos it is not. You paid her work for full month and a half in 3 days.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but from what I experienced in Medellin, that isn't abnormal for attractive non-pros. Even the best looking pros online will charge 200 K / hour for outcalls. The exchange rate is around 460 K COP to $100 USD last week, so it seems like a good deal for the day or at least most of it.

Personally, I prefer semi-pro women who work normal jobs and come to me because I'm much more relaxed at my own hotel. I wouldn't spend hours with a pro and they charge less because they're fucking multiple dudes a day.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787089]That's even if they reply back, they will most likely ignore offers of a 100 or less. At least the "elite" looking ones haha.[/QUOTE]There's your problem. Who starts a conversation with a stranger with "I'll pay you $100 to fuck me?" Appeal to her curiosity. Get her interested in who you are. Give her a reason to reply to your message instead of just throwing money until she responds.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2786980]It is not impressive. It is stupid. See a person knows right off if they like you.[/QUOTE]Says who? I liked a girl just fine, thought she was GF material and then learned she was an alcoholic and then no more. You can learn more or less about something all the time. This is the stupidest thing I have heard.

Then you give this example of a girl who liked you. Great.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2786980]IWhat you are describing is a person that did not really like you, but after you put in "WORK AND MONEY" they realized it may be beneficial to be with you. In other words it had nothing to do with your skill or you as a person and all of what they could get from you. Not saying fair exchange is a robbery; just saying stop being naive and illusioned.[/QUOTE]So when a woman likes me, it is for money but when a woman likes you, it is because of you. LOL. God, you are such a blowhard.

Dummy, when a woman is a 10, which you know nothing about because clearly you go for less attractive women, she has guys throwing money at her right and left. I have a female best friend who is super hot used to be married to the lead in a rock band, everyone here knows. She has no problem getting a rich guy, no problem getting guys to buy her drinks, no problem having people wanting to be her friend. Unlike idiots like you, I know what she wants in a guy and it is not money. Nothing would turn her off more than guys throwing cash at her because she was with a guy who used money to control her. She proudly says, "I don't need no man for money. ".

So where did you get the dumb idea I was taking about paying off a woman when I said it takes money?

And you just said a woman likes you or not right away so what is the point of work? So you have no clue what the money is for and no clue what the work is.

And there is no point in talking to my female friend because with your philosophy, all you have to do is say "Hi", and that is it. In 2 seconds, she knows whether she should marry you or not just based on that first impression.

The amazing thing about you and these pile on posts is how fucking stupid they are, and you will go on and on with insults and cheap shots trying to show everyone you are not that stupid when clearly you are. If you are the competition, Mr. E, it is no wonder I have a 10.

And the reason I have dated a beauty queen and landed a 10 is because I paid the money and did the work, and you do not, and you cannot handle it. I have kicked your ass because your game, and the amount of effort you put in, sucks ass.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787226]Nothing is impressive if you're the only 1 claiming it's impressive. It's like making a fake "Man of the Year" Time magazine cover, hanging it on your wall and telling everyone about your incredible accomplishment and then getting offended when they point out it's all bullshit..[/QUOTE]Here is the definition of impressive: making or tending to make a marked impression: having the power to excite attention, awe, or admiration.

I already said the point of it being impressive was to excite others that they could do likewise dumb shit. Changing words and definitions around to make yourself look good or win an argument is what you do all the time. What was the point of you bragging about your height and body and calling yourself Lebron asshole? You are the egotistical loser looking in the mirror day and night not me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787220]
Let's start with the 1-10 scale. Although it's not discussed here, doesn't the same scale apply to men? In other words, each man on here, could also be rated from 1-10.[/QUOTE]Well, per you all that matters on the 1 to 10 scale is weight and checking account balance so that is all that is measured.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787220]Isn't any woman accepting you just settling for someone fat and ugly because she lacks the game to land a 10? Isn't she just settling because she doesn't want to put in the work it takes to do better? Or putting up with your admitted shortcomings because she needs the money?

If she's in such high demand, isn't it likely there's someone also competing who has money and isn't fat? Otherwise, you're really not competing. Game is useless, unless you fuck them and move on. And a girl from a wealthy family, with a good job and a bright future, shouldn't put money and generosity at a higher value than physical attraction. Well, unless she's got some obvious shortcomings of her own.

Which leaves us with a problem. A woman, without flaw, ranked as among the most beautiful by all who see her, from a family of considerable wealth, with a fine education from a highly respected university, an absolute unicorn, can't attract 1 man of reasonable income who isn't fat and ugly, and thinks she's worth spending a few dollars on.[/QUOTE]But you do not know what the game is. The money I spend is for a fake scale and app that multiplies what I have in my bank account by 1000. So I just get on the scale, and it shows my perfect weight and then my checkbook balance, and voila, all the 10's want to fuck me. Aren't you jealous that you did not come up with such an idea?

I also have a machine that automatically says I am 30. It is funny why you missed that age point Lebron. Is that maybe because you think all women want you versus the truth that they think you are an old fart?

I wonder how many guys here have seen Beauty and the Beast because every guy here seems to want to be Gaston. He goes up to Belle the beauty and basically says, "I am hot. You are hot. Let's have a hot life together", and he describes a life that has zero appeal to her. That is you guys with women.

Belle's father is captured by the beast, and Belle tells the beast to imprison her instead. So what was her life real about? Not muscles. Not balance sheets. Her father. Her family.

Oh right, but that is just a fairy tale. We all know women do not give two shits about their parents and family.

Is it any wonder why I have a 10 now and you do not?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787226]Nothing is impressive if you're the only 1 claiming it's impressive. It's like making a fake "Man of the Year" Time magazine cover, hanging it on your wall and telling everyone about your incredible accomplishment and then getting offended when they point out it's all bullshit..[/QUOTE]Here is the definition of impressive: making or tending to make a marked impression: having the power to excite attention, awe, or admiration.

I already said the point of it being impressive was to excite others that they could do likewise dumb shit. Changing words and definitions around to make yourself look good or win an argument is what you do all the time. What was the point of you bragging about your height and body and calling yourself Lebron asshole? You are the egotistical loser looking in the mirror day and night not me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787220]
Let's start with the 1-10 scale. Although it's not discussed here, doesn't the same scale apply to men? In other words, each man on here, could also be rated from 1-10.[/QUOTE]Well, per you all that matters on the 1 to 10 scale is weight and checking account balance so that is all that is measured.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787220]Isn't any woman accepting you just settling for someone fat and ugly because she lacks the game to land a 10? Isn't she just settling because she doesn't want to put in the work it takes to do better? Or putting up with your admitted shortcomings because she needs the money?

If she's in such high demand, isn't it likely there's someone also competing who has money and isn't fat? Otherwise, you're really not competing. Game is useless, unless you fuck them and move on. And a girl from a wealthy family, with a good job and a bright future, shouldn't put money and generosity at a higher value than physical attraction. Well, unless she's got some obvious shortcomings of her own.

Which leaves us with a problem. A woman, without flaw, ranked as among the most beautiful by all who see her, from a family of considerable wealth, with a fine education from a highly respected university, an absolute unicorn, can't attract 1 man of reasonable income who isn't fat and ugly, and thinks she's worth spending a few dollars on.[/QUOTE]But you do not know what the game is. The money I spend is for a fake scale and app that multiplies what I have in my bank account by 1000. So I just get on the scale, and it shows my perfect weight and then my checkbook balance, and voila, all the 10's want to fuck me. Aren't you jealous that you did not come up with such an idea?

I also have a machine that automatically says I am 30. It is funny why you missed that age point Lebron. Is that maybe because you think all women want you versus the truth that they think you are an old fart?

I wonder how many guys here have seen Beauty and the Beast because every guy here seems to want to be Gaston. He goes up to Belle the beauty and basically says, "I am hot. You are hot. Let's have a hot life together", and he describes a life that has zero appeal to her. That is you guys with women.

Belle's father is captured by the beast, and Belle tells the beast to imprison her instead. So what was her life real about? Not muscles. Not balance sheets. Her father. Her family.

Oh right, but that is just a fairy tale. You all "know" women do not give two shits about their parents and family.

Is it any wonder why I have a 10 now and you do not?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787355]There's your problem. Who starts a conversation with a stranger with "I'll pay you $100 to fuck me?" Appeal to her curiosity. Get her interested in who you are. Give her a reason to reply to your message instead of just throwing money until she responds.[/QUOTE]I never said that's my approach haha, I don't usually talk money, I just say if she is interested in meeting we can make arrangements when that time comes. 3 things usually happen, She will agree and give me her number so I can contact her when it's closer to the date, other's tell me their price right away, and some just don't reply or ever open the message.

I do agree I would have better results if I put more time and effort into messaging these women but I just don't have the time for it.

But like I just mentioned in a comment I just posted about how the older guys tend to put in more work with these girls, I'm sure I could learn a thing or two from older gents like yourself, after all you should have more experience.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2787315] Personally, I prefer semi-pro women who work normal jobs and come to me because I'm much more relaxed at my own hotel. I wouldn't spend hours with a pro and they charge less because they're fucking multiple dudes a day.[/QUOTE]I agree, this is exactly how I ended up with the 19 yr old on my last day. I was trying to decide whether I should see a pro or this chick on fb. I just went with it and said well if she doesn't show ill just go see a pro. But like you said I prefer the comfort of being in your own place and not it being so transactional with someone is has a line of guys coming in and out. Although there is 2 independent pros I wanted to see that guys keep raving about their services and how hot they are but they seemed to always be busy and hard to get in touch with.

I'll treat this as something worthy of serious consideration, rather than the inane rambling of an idiot with an unfathomable compulsion to make himself look stupid whenever he encounters my name.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787443]I don't need to know you, or know her, in order to make a simple conclusion that a 60 yr old gringo truck driver has very little (if anything at all) in common with a 20 yr kid from Colombia. You are being delusional when calling her your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]Actually you do need to know me. If you are rushed to the emergency room with life threatening injuries and the doctor says"I don't know anything about treating your injuries, but I don't need to know anything", you're going to die. Physically die, to match the brain death you long ago succumbed to.

What could I possibly have in common with a 20 year old Colombian girl? Now if you knew both of us, or really anything, you would think we have many possible things in common. Of course that assumes you would suddenly begin to think.

Let's start with music, something most Colombians love. What music does she enjoy? How does that match with my music? Turns out, there's a good intersection. At first I was playing Colombian music which I didn't like because I thought she would like it. She changed it to Colombian music I liked. Then she surprised me by playing and singing Bohemian Rhapsody. Later I started putting on stuff to see if she liked it. The Manhattan Transfer album Brasil was very well received. There were several others.

Movies are a good subject and what young woman doesn't like a good movie? In this area, we were almost 100% in agreement. I pulled up movies from long before her time as well as current hits and she loved them all. Some that she particularly enjoyed were: "Iron Will", "Batteries not Included", "Ready Player One", along with all of the Blade movies. We probably watched 50 movies together and only 1 bored her. It bored me as well. It seemed much better 30 years ago.

On the subject of movies, Netflix and Disney+ are your best choices. All the stuff on Disney can be played with Spanish audio and English subtitles, or vice versa. Everything on Netflix can have Spanish subtitles, plus there's a good selection of Spanish movies and series. For a girl with decent English reading skills Vudu / Fandango has practically everything with English subtitles.

Animated movies, superhero movies and vampire movies were all popular with her, as well as sentimental ones.

What else is there? Food? On this one I blew her away. I introduced her to foods you can't get in Medellin and she loved it. The only thing she was lukewarm on was sashimi. She liked the taste, but not the texture. , although she was fine with all the sushi.

Her top favorite was Thai food. Unlike many Colombians she likes a bit of spice. There were too many things to list, but there were 2 surprises. Bread and butter pickles, she went crazy for. So crazy that I brought her a jar for Christmas and she insisted that everyone try them. She also loved fried dill pickles.

What more is there? Art? Check. Games? Check. Cooking? Check. Love of animals? Check. Social causes? Check. Political views? Check? Helping others? Check. Religious views we differ on, but it's not a huge split. In that area, she and I are closer than I am with any of my family.

Is there anything else? The reason we first began talking more seriously was because I knew where she lived, or knew the area. She grew up a 10 minute walk away from where I lived in Poblado. I had literally walked past her front door dozens of times. Chances are we passed each other on the street 2 or 3 years before we met.

Thinking about it all, I probably have as much or more in common with her than with any of my previous long-term relationships. Most of those were based on our desire to fuck and we made do with everything else.

So what should I call her? Every day I wake up to find a message from her and she checks in with me at least 3 or 4 times daily. She's always sending pictures of what she's doing, pictures with different friends or family members, or her pets. She asks for my advice and opinions and shows concern when I have problems.

For my part, I mostly give her space. I don't make demands, don't try to control her and I treat her with respect. There have been a few problems, but we've worked through them. Sometimes I make her laugh, sometimes I make her horny. Granted, I'm the breadwinner, but that's been the case with every previous relationship.

So, now that you have all that information, what should I call her? Sugar Baby won't work, because that's an arrangement based on sex. We have sex, but it's not a requirement. Give me a word that you feel I should use to refer to her, then explain why that's better than just saying "girlfriend. ".

Maybe I could just call her my Betty. Instead of saying "my girlfriend said the police arrested a gringo who raped 2 girls", I could say "My Betty said. " Of course then everyone would ask who was "My Betty" and why do I call her that? Is she a good cook? Does she look like Betty White? Is she black and did she have a child that went wild?

Then I would have to explain "Mami'sBoy refuses to allow me to refer to my girlfriend as my girlfriend without clogging up the forum with a bunch of whining, so I have to call her my Betty and clog up the forum with a bunch of unnecessary explanations. ".

Sounds good?

The girl who I refer to as my girlfriend, pending guidance from Mami'sBoy on the proper term for a girl involved with me in ways he knows nothing about, sent me a picture today. She had run into her best friend from high school at the University. I've talked a lot with the girl, although we've never met.

Thinking about the 2 of them, I realized something. Both of them are certifiably, undeniably elite. Not in the sense of the most beautiful women in the world, not for immense family wealth or spectacular academic achievements, but in the category of belonging to elite groups through personal achievement.

Before I explain their elite status, there's a backstory that explains the birth of Elvis's "elite" harem. Time to fire up the way back machine.

Elvis first introduced himself to the Colombia forums over 3 years ago, with the sad tale of his Venezuelan ex. He moved her and her parents to Peru, set them all up and then learned his true love no longer had any use for him. Unfortunately, I had just donated my entire collection of sympathy for excessive naivete to Goodwill and had only mockery to aid him in his time of despair. Thus began our battle.

Fast forward to the beginning of the pandemic. While Elvis was jumping onto every inconceivable conspiracy theory about Covid, I was considering changing my approach to Medellin (without neglecting my Elvis mockery).

Facebook had grown a bit stale. I was bored with "cuando nos vemos" and "quiero verte. ". I wanted conversations that didn't mention condoms. It didn't matter if I found working girls or regular girls, but I didn't want to start with the expectation of p4 p sex.

Whether it was good timing, or good luck, I found what I was looking for, girls I could just talk to, and get to know before deciding if we wanted to meet. Some were undoubtedly working girls, but I wasn't approaching them like a customer, so they didn't act like hookers. Others were definitely not interested in p4 p, but were open to meeting. In a few weeks I had 20 or more Whatsapp numbers and began choosing my favorites. Eventually I selected 7 as my targets. The first 6 were my girlfriend, pending, nevermind, her sister, the girlfriend's friend and 3 of her sister's friends. Number 7 had no connection to the others.

To break up the monotony of Blakman's cheap, popcorn eating, table dancing, Mileroticos girls and Slapshot's jacuzzi threesomes, I wrote about my possible new options. To date I've met 5 of the 7. By the time I posted about them, 5 were sending me videos. My girlfriend and 1 of her sister's friends were the only exceptions. That girl is uncrackable. I've met her, she's gorgeous, but she's not that kind of girl.

Although I don't recall my names for all of them, 2 I can't forget. The first was girl number 7, the model. If you knew the Facebook girl Mariana Penagos before the boob job, #7 was comparable, before her boob job. The other girl I named was the cheerleader, my girlfriend (or not girlfriend).

Within a few days of my post clearing the censors, Elvis was posting about his elite harem. Previously his girls had been beautiful, slightly better girls. Overnight they became supermodels and beauty queens. Keep in mind, at that time I hadn't met any of the girls, although I felt I could get 6 of them in my bed. I still feel I could achieve that goal, if it still mattered to me, but I'm content with where I'm at.

Maybe the ascension of Elvis to the ultimate elite girl level was just a coincidence, or maybe he felt it was time to stop being so modest. It doesn't matter.

Now that you're bored to death I'll explain my elite girlfriend and her elite friend.

Both girls have a US B1/ B2 visa. This is a combination business and tourist visa. It's granted for things like business conferences, exhibitions or to participate in sporting events. So how do 2 teens from Medellin get such a visa?

Let's start with the friend. She's a volleyball player. She's a good enough player to make it on a team which competed internationally, including in the US. How many Colombians can make that claim? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but in sports you don't make it to the top if you don't win.

Finally we get to the girl of undefined status who I call my girlfriend. Care to guess how she got her visa? Pat yourself on the back if you said it has something to do with why I called her the cheerleader, in Spanish "porrista. " I was surprised to learn that cheerleading is a big deal in Colombia. If you go to estadio you'll find many teams practicing. When she was 16, she wad chosen to to be one of Colombia's representatives for international competition. Her team made it to the finals in Orlando. They didn't win.

Once again, only a select few make it to that level each year and it's something that can only be achieved through years of dedication and practice. What's more elite than being one of the best cheerleaders in Colombia?

Now to the most important part. None of that matters. We don't sit around talking about cheerleading. She's never done the splits for me (except for 1 short video). She's never even put on her cheerleader outfit for me (hmmm). The flexibility has come into play, but it's not crucial.

My conquest of her didn't require anything special. I doubt if it will be mentioned in my obituary. Nobody has asked me to do a Ted talk. Even Hollywood isn't calling for the movie rights. It all happened through a series of coincidences. No competition, no game. Shit, there's still no competition.

Just one quick thing I forgot. Although physical fitness is required, competitive cheerleading isn't based on beauty. Makeup artists and hair stylists amplify what's there.

If you have a cheerleader fantasy, it might seem incredible. It isn't. Finding an escort who was a cheerleader shouldn't be difficult. And chances are her cheerleader outfit will be a lot sexier.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2787397]Says who? I liked a girl just fine, thought she was GF material and then learned she was an alcoholic and then no more. You can learn more or less about something all the time. This is the stupidest thing I have heard.

Then you give this example of a girl who liked you. Great.

So when a woman likes me, it is for money but when a woman likes you, it is because of you. LOL. God, you are such a blowhard.[/QUOTE]I give up on you learning to read and comprehend. Somehow your comprehension always ends up way different from what the person wrote.

Why are the Medellin threads always filled with constant arguing? I mean, why are you wasting your time arguing with strangers on a forum meant to help others?

The Bogota threads actually have advice that you don't need to scroll through pages to find. Like I wouldn't have tried SA if it wasn't for guys like Elvis recommending it in Bogota and I used it again to great success in Medellin. So much so that I returned to Bogota a month after my first trip and I'm returning to Medellin this Friday after my first trip in December.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787472]But like I just mentioned in a comment I just posted about how the older guys tend to put in more work with these girls, I'm sure I could learn a thing or two from older gents like yourself, after all you should have more experience.[/QUOTE]OMG. Say it ain't so. Let me give you a civilized approach to your question about health then. As for your health question, the answer is that people have a limited amount of willpower in their life. Let me put it this way. Why were you 235 pounds to begin with? And now that you are 180, are you sure you are going to stay there because I am sure whatever happened in you life that got you to 235 will happen again, and my guess is you will be even heavier next time.

And as far as being fit, that just gets you in the door. I was married and seeing SBs having a great time doing so for years while the single guys suffered. Those fools were spending thousands on looking good versus just paying women directly like I was. So I hang out with my single guy friends one night, and there is like a 7 and a 8 or 9 sitting with them. The women mentioned they hang out with the San Antonio Spurs when they are in town. I was shocked and thought "You two?

One friend said that every decent looking woman has been with a pro athlete. I never thought to ask my sugar babies about interactions with themselves and athletes and was stunned at how many they had. Point is while you are all happy with your body, any decent looking woman can get a guy with a better body than yours and probably has already had more than one.

I argue with people when think I am right, but I am not personally cocky about myself. So when I learned this, I was like, "Well, WTF are you doing with me then?" The simple answer is money, but it is more than that. For example, one dancer was sitting with some roided out baseball player at a club. His at bat is being shown on ESPN and he roughly grabs the girl by the face, points it at the TV, and says "Look, I am on TV. ".

When I was with a different SB, she and a friend went through all the guys on a football team and said who they would go out with. I was thinking they would die to be with any of them. Nope, and they rejected most of the guys. Yes, they picked the ones out who had more money and looks and race was an issue too, but I was shocked at how well they knew the character of the players.

With a gal like mine, she could give a shit about men and their muscles outside of a fling. I did not know about my gal's daughter when I went out with her in the beginning and she was sizing me up. Her #1 concern and the concern of most single mothers is the safety of their children. You want a single mom long term that is how you get them.

When I sat back and listened to Colombian women, which so few guys do, I cannot recall meeting one woman I gave a shit about who was not all about her family.

Like I said, most guys strive to be like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast and tell women what they should like instead of listening to what is important to them. The difference with me is I fucking listen.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787620]Maybe the ascension of Elvis to the ultimate elite girl level was just a coincidence, or maybe he felt it was time to stop being so modest. It doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]As Paulie said, I think you write these War and Peace novels that no one reads to revisit history to recount that you won when you lost.

As for elite, the only thing I mentioned that when guys are looking for a long term relationship even a sugar baby, guys should focus on the higher classes. The poor or those who come from a poor culture have no concept of long term.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787620]Now that you're bored to death I'll explain my elite girlfriend and her elite friend.[/QUOTE]Nobody cares. I did not set out to find elite dummy. I went for good looking and good in bed. I have had better in bed initially and better looking in Colombia than my current woman. For guys into the one nighters, which is most, they should ignore what I say.

You ex was not your GF. She was a sugar baby. She was cute and upper middle class. The whole elite thing came up because you assholes tried to knock my gal down. Now you are trying to bring your ex SB up. All this and all the other shit shows how insecure you all are.

What guys should learn from my situation is that the USA pushes the oneitis thing like crazy. Fuck that. You do not really know what you want in a woman. Once you have had your fill of strange that will get disappointing, build a harem. Learn what you like and do not like.

If you are a half way nice guy, pleasant company, and dependable on paying out, you are going to get finer women than you have ever dreamed of. Got that? With sugar babies, it was not that I was so great, it is that other guys acted like such idiots. Women did not mind spending time with me and often enjoyed themselves. Yeah, it was really that fucking simple.

When I lost a woman when I was younger, I would say, "I will never find someone as good as her again" and was wrong. There was always a better next one. But when you have a huge sample, when you say, "I will never find someone as good as her again", it probably will be true. IMO it is only then a guy should really even consider to committing to anything.

Paulie told me a lot about you, Lebron, but the one I can share here is you cannot shut up and need to be the center of attention. Well, that may attract a woman early on, but after a while, that gets old, and she tunes you out and what happens then? You move onto the next one who thinks you are great until she gets bored / annoyed with you. Rinse and repeat.

So instead of saying I can have an elite 10 like Elvis, you should be saying I do not want one woman. I want and need a harem. You are not happy until you have it better than the next guy but there is always going to be a next guy who has better.

You see? I know what makes you happy better than you do, and that is why you are a fucking loser. You still have not figured out what makes you happy at age 60.

I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787745]I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.[/QUOTE]I don't think your "almost" 60 year old family member is being dishonest with you. (But you know her better than anyone here). BUT she may be expressing an opinion that is based on her life experience and the cultural norms of where she has spent her life.

If there is one thing that I routinely see here in Colombia, it is Americans who expect their values are universal and anyone who thinks or acts differently is odd / strange / wierd etc etc etc.

In Latin America there is a machismo mindset that still exists today. It was pretty universal in the US until the 70's /80's. Let me give you an example. Years ago in anticipation of retirement I started taking Spanish lessons from a well known professor here in Medellin. She told me she graduated from a University with a degree in Engineering. She said she finished 2nd in her class of 35 (I'm generally remembering what she told me). Well the job offers came piling in and she was offered a position with a salary commensurate with the lowest male graduate in her class. She was furious and pursued a career in teaching languages (English to Spanish speakers, Spanish to English speakers and Portuguese to either group).

Women are urged to be very receptive to older successful men. Why? Because it is a cultural norm that dates back many centuries. Even in a world where women are granted much more latitude in their career options. Machismo still dominates. I have gone out to restaurants with many younger women (20's-30's) and I never get as much as a raised eyebrow. One reason may be that my companions have been very judicious in their choice of clothing. If she is dressed provocatively like a street-walker we are absolutely not going out anywhere.

BTW I see many young attractive women eating with Colombian men who are clearly older. That too draws no attention. Many young women are taught to choose a companion who is successful and who can help the family when needed. The thing about older men having a smell is patently ridiculous. There is a modern invention that takes care of that. It is called soap and water.

So just to summarize. If you think that being in your mid to late 30's gives you a big advantage in dating women here, well, not so much. The big factor that will really differentiates someone younger versus someone like me is that I live here. Dating someone who is here for two weeks and then gone makes it a more transactional process.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787745]I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.[/QUOTE]Why not ask your family member who fit that description? You always seem to ask the question that you can find answer easily.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2787664]I give up on you learning to read and comprehend. Somehow your comprehension always ends up way different from what the person wrote.[/QUOTE]I understand perfectly what you said. You thought I was stupidly throwing my time and money at women who were completely uninterested in me. Or did I miss something?

And when I said it costs money to get a 10, I meant subscribing to seeking, buying drinks, staying in nice places, buying and wearing suits. So it is your comprehension that is off.

And when I said it takes time, that means sending PMs back and forth with women, going on bad dates, getting ripped off, getting stood up. The work is having to kiss a lot of frogs before you find a princess, but it is obvious that is not something you do. You are happy with the frogs.

I wrote something and you took the most negative interpretation of it possible. That is nothing new. Your comprehension is the one that is off.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787745]I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.[/QUOTE]Anthony, what do you think the women say to us about guys your age? Do you think they say, "Well, we settle for you because we cannot get younger."

They tell us you are video game playing, lazy, overly sensitive, insecure, cheap, possessive immature twerps.

Do you know how many times I have had sex with a woman and had her young loser boyfriend text or call me? "She is my girlfriend. She is not fucking other guys. Stay away from her. She does not want you to call her" after she just got done sucking my dick? Plenty.

But it is no surprise that you hear only what you want.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2787948]Anthony, what do you think the women say to us about guys your age? Do you think they say, "Well, we settle for you because we cannot get younger."

They tell us you are video game playing, lazy, overly sensitive, insecure, cheap, possessive immature twerps.

Do you know how many times I have had sex with a woman and had her young loser boyfriend text or call me? "She is my girlfriend. She is not fucking other guys. Stay away from her. She does not want you to call her" after she just got done sucking my dick? Plenty.

But it is no surprise that you hear only what you want.[/QUOTE]Elvis. Elvis. Elvis. Oh man I can see why so many pick on you, everytime you comment you say some really dumb irrelevant comments. From beauty and the beast to video game playing, are you drunk when you post?

Anyways cool story bro, that's great those are your observations but like many have told you not everything applies according to you. I don't even remember the last time I played a video game, heck I wish I had the time and patience to play video games.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2787674]Why are the Medellin threads always filled with constant arguing? I mean, why are you wasting your time arguing with strangers on a forum meant to help others?

The Bogota threads actually have advice that you don't need to scroll through pages to find. Like I wouldn't have tried SA if it wasn't for guys like Elvis recommending it in Bogota and I used it again to great success in Medellin. So much so that I returned to Bogota a month after my first trip and I'm returning to Medellin this Friday after my first trip in December.[/QUOTE]I agree it's pathetic to see, I guess it's true what they say about older people starting to behave like a babies, worse than housewives gossiping, I thought I would see more people sharing useful information.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787745]I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.[/QUOTE]Ah. So you actually believed that as men age, just touching their skin will burn young people? You do understand pH right? Does it become more acidic, or basic? Do we need to use lye, or hydrochloric acid to prevent our bodies from dissolving?

Now try this one. Get 2 pictures to show your chemist family member. 1 is an aging actor. 70-75 years old. The other of a young actor, 20-25 years old. Make sure both pictures are similar. No shirts. What's her reaction?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2787791]I don't think your "almost" 60 year old family member is being dishonest with you. (But you know her better than anyone here). BUT she may be expressing an opinion that is based on her life experience and the cultural norms of where she has spent her life.

If there is one thing that I routinely see here in Colombia, it is Americans who expect their values are universal and anyone who thinks or acts differently is odd / strange / wierd etc etc etc.

In Latin America there is a machismo mindset that still exists today. It was pretty universal in the US until the 70's /80's. Let me give you an example. Years ago in anticipation of retirement I started taking Spanish lessons from a well known professor here in Medellin. She told me she graduated from a University with a degree in Engineering. She said she finished 2nd in her class of 35 (I'm generally remembering what she told me). Well the job offers came piling in and she was offered a position with a salary commensurate with the lowest male graduate in her class. She was furious and pursued a career in teaching languages (English to Spanish speakers, Spanish to English speakers and Portuguese to either group).

Women are urged to be very receptive to older successful men. Why? Because it is a cultural norm that dates back many centuries. Even in a world where women are granted much more latitude in their career options. Machismo still dominates. I have gone out to restaurants with many younger women (20's-30's) and I never get as much as a raised eyebrow. One reason may be that my companions have been very judicious in their choice of clothing. If she is dressed provocatively like a street-walker we are absolutely not going out anywhere.

BTW I see many young attractive women eating with Colombian men who are clearly older. That too draws no attention. Many young women are taught to choose a companion who is successful and who can help the family when needed. The thing about older men having a smell is patently ridiculous. There is a modern invention that takes care of that. It is called soap and water.

So just to summarize. If you think that being in your mid to late 30's gives you a big advantage in dating women here, well, not so much. The big factor that will really differentiates someone younger versus someone like me is that I live here. Dating someone who is here for two weeks and then gone makes it a more transactional process.[/QUOTE]When I was with the cam studio the owner and her boyfriend took me and my roommate out to eat. A mid 50's man (me), mid 30's man and 2 mid 20's women. This happened once per month. Without fail the waiter would bring me the check, even though the other guy was the one calling over the waiter, placing orders, obviously in charge of the group. It's just the way the culture works.

Of course he forgot to make his questioning fair. Why didn't he ask her what she thinks about him flying to different countries to fuck impoverished prostitutes? Where's her reaction to that one? Why not ask her if the prostitutes he sees are just seeing him because he's only 15 years older than them? Or does it have something to do with the money?

And the ultimate question. Ask her, if she was going to pay someone for sex, would she pay an 80 year old man, or a 40 year old man?

If nothing else, should make Thanksgiving dinner interesting.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787745]I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.[/QUOTE]You have a sense of smell? You live in a place where there are 60 year old men? I take it you don't grasp the basic principles of science.

You had a 60 year old in front of you and you didn't notice the horrible odor? How are opinions from strangers on an anonymous internet forum your goto for answers that are literally right in front of your nose?

Let's say your relative is correct. At a certain age prior to 60, all men begin to stink. How in the fuck haven't you noticed it? Why hasn't a single company making hygiene products, perfumes, herbal supplements or anything else jumped on the "all old men stink" gravy train and rode it to untold riches? Just look at the success of Febreze.

Do you know what my brothers and sisters think about me having a 20 year old girlfriend? Remember, 3 of the 4 have met her and the other apologized for avoiding her. Want to know what they said when I asked them?

2 are fundamentalist Christians, very outspoken on religion. 1 is hardcore ultra right wing, white supremacist, anti-immigrant Republican and the last is a more soft spoken Christian with a grandson only 2 years younger than my girlfriend.

Any guesses?

I never asked them. I don't care what they think about it. I'm an adult and do what I want, instead of running around like a child and asking permission. Or going around like a nutjob asking others whether they approve of choices made by complete strangers.

I know. You're just sharing your opinion and aren't judging anyone.

Your opinion has been noted. In about 5 hours, after I get home, I will file it in the appropriate place, when I flush after adding my own shit to the file.

I will add something. 1 brother, who I shared a house with for 4 years, behaved rudely when he met her. It didn't help that he was drunk. The next day, in his passive aggressive way, he indicated his disapproval. He's done that before and I've called him out on it. This time I just started looking for an apartment and let him know I'd be out at the end of the month.

I don't require anyone's approval, but I demand they treat anyone I'm with, with courtesy and respect.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788042]Ah. So you actually believed that as men age, just touching their skin will burn young people? You do understand pH right? Does it become more acidic, or basic? Do we need to use lye, or hydrochloric acid to prevent our bodies from dissolving?

Now try this one. Get 2 pictures to show your chemist family member. 1 is an aging actor. 70-75 years old. The other of a young actor, 20-25 years old. Make sure both pictures are similar. No shirts. What's her reaction?[/QUOTE]Not sure sir that's why I asked.

All I know is she said old people usually tend to smell LOL.

She said she just feels bad for the young girls who have to deal with it.

The subject came up because I over heard her watching a tiktok talking about Leonardo's 19 yr old GF LOL.

Here's a question because I think my lady question got removed.

And let me remind the mods this is "stupid shit in Medellin" thread so I think it's appropriate. I'm also not trying to offend anyone with this question, I'm just curious to know how the older gentleman in this hobby really feel.

So my question is are you older folks 55+ that are still in the game seeing pros, semi pros, sugar babies, "gfs" young enough to be your grand kids age. Are you truly happy with your situation? Would you recommend this lifestyle at your age? Do you see yourself continuing to do this till you physically can't anymore?

Or would you had preferred to have settled down with your old gal or at least someone closer to your age spending time with your great grand kids like some fairy tale ending?

I'm curious because I'm not sure what path I would prefer at this point. For now I'm just enjoying my freedom and youth but I know time goes fast and not sure if it will still be fun.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2787674]Why are the Medellin threads always filled with constant arguing? I mean, why are you wasting your time arguing with strangers on a forum meant to help others?
[/QUOTE]LOL. When I first started reading the Medellin thread it was under permanent moderation. No idea what was going on then but must have been worse than what is going on now.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2787791]I don't think your "almost" 60 year old family member is being dishonest with you. (But you know her better than anyone here). BUT she may be expressing an opinion that is based on her life experience and the cultural norms of where she has spent her life.
[/QUOTE]That is why I advised him to ask a woman that does it. If I want to know about cooking with onions I am not going to ask a person that does not like onions. My grandfather was in his 60's when he died. I remember at the time he was dating a 19 year old chick from the projects where I was born. My grandfather was not rich and did not have a bunch of money to pass out. He was on dialysis and in worse shape than my father who is in his 70's is now.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788095]All I know is she said old people usually tend to smell LOL. She said she just feels bad for the young girls who have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]A youtube channel that I subscribe to went over this a couple of years back. It is not them personally that smell. It is more so their houses due yo shit having been sitting around for 40 years.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BBcpa4aTO8[/URL]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788095]Not sure sir that's why I asked.

All I know is she said old people usually tend to smell LOL.

She said she just feels bad for the young girls who have to deal with it.

The subject came up because I over heard her watching a tiktok talking about Leonardo's 19 yr old GF LOL.[/QUOTE]I'll ask again. Do you have a sense of smell? If so, answer the question yourself. If someone tells you something that sounds ridiculous you should test it. It's not difficult.

Here's information from an old person. Some old people begin to put less effort into personal hygiene, especially if they're rarely around others. Which could account for some old people with a bad odor. However, I've noticed that problem more often with younger people.

Of course, problems which affect some people aren't universal. Bathing still works. Soap and water, shampoo and conditioner, all still effective. Add in deodorant and toothpaste and problem solved.

Did you ask her how she feels about the young girls who turn to prostitution because of poverty? Did you ask her about young men who seek out poor women to hire as prostitutes? Why not?

Curiosity is the catalyst for knowledge. A curious person would explore all the angles, instead of seeking validation for their beliefs. That's the action of someone incapable of learning. You might as well join a cult.

You remind me of a stupid waste of tax money in San Diego about 30 years ago. The San Diego Police wanted to become the morality police, kind of like you. They took citizens to strip clubs to get opinions on whether the clubs should be shut down. They loaded their team with old women, school teachers, religious folks, all people who they thought would be horrified by men going to strip clubs.

The results? Most of the citizens said things like "I don't like going there, but I don't see why other people shouldn't go there if they want. "

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788103]Would you recommend this lifestyle at your age? Or would you had preferred to have settled down with your old gal[/QUOTE]I am not sure that you can recommend any type of lifestyle because there are different strokes for different folks. I like scuba diving but you may be afraid of water. And who says that you can not have both? I love my main girlfriend because she lets me cheat in peace. None of that who are you talking to and trying to look in my phone shit.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788306]You remind me of a stupid waste of tax money in San Diego about 30 years ago. The San Diego Police wanted to become the morality police, kind of like you. They took citizens to strip clubs to get opinions on whether the clubs should be shut down. [/QUOTE]Well 30 years ago I was stationed in San Diego. I took myself to a strip club and decided they should definitely be shut down. I think the name was Body Shop or something like that. Growing up in Atlanta I had no idea how they could call that bullshit of a place a strip club.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788306]
Did you ask her how she feels about the young girls who turn to prostitution because of poverty? Did you ask her about young men who seek out poor women to hire as prostitutes? Why not?

You remind me of a stupid waste of tax money in San Diego about 30 years ago. The San Diego Police wanted to become the morality police, kind of like you. They took citizens to strip clubs to get opinions on whether the clubs should be shut down. They loaded their team with old women, school teachers, religious folks, all people who they thought would be horrified by men going to strip clubs.

The results? Most of the citizens said things like "I don't like going there, but I don't see why other people shouldn't go there if they want. "[/QUOTE]I did ask her actually. She said it's a very sad situation for the girls but she can't judge them for what they do, she only feels blessed that she didn't have to live that kind of life.

As far as the men she said the same thing about not one to judge, she said at the end of the day these young men are helping out these poor girls.

Considering tijuana is just down the road they might as well had shut down those strip clubs in San Diego.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2788290]A youtube channel that I subscribe to went over this a couple of years back. It is not them personally that smell. It is more so their houses due yo shit having been sitting around for 40 years.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BBcpa4aTO8[/URL][/QUOTE]That's very interesting.

Well I told her mr. Jjbs response and she said of course he's not going to admit he smells but she said there is no denying that your body oder and skin gets worse with age. She said you can use all the soaps, lotions & oils you want but there's no changing that fact. She said all he has to do is ask his GF.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2787674]Why are the Medellin threads always filled with constant arguing? I mean, why are you wasting your time arguing with strangers on a forum meant to help others?
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788027]I agree it's pathetic to see, I guess it's true what they say about older people starting to behave like a babies, worse than housewives gossiping, I thought I would see more people sharing useful information.[/QUOTE]I agree. It is pretty pathetic.

I have been wanting to visit MDE for a few years and have tried to wade through the fucking know-it-alls bickering over typical losers with too much time on their hands arguments. And when someone tries to ask a simple question, they are admonished to RTFF. Yeah, and wade through thousands of USELESS posts from the same posters doing the scolding to RTFF.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2788395]I agree. It is pretty pathetic.

I have been wanting to visit MDE for a few years and have tried to wade through the fucking know-it-alls bickering over typical losers with too much time on their hands arguments. And when someone tries to ask a simple question, they are admonished to RTFF. Yeah, and wade through thousands of USELESS posts from the same posters doing the scolding to RTFF.[/QUOTE]Maybe you missed the search box at the top right. I can't just go to google and immediately read what I am looking for. I have to give it some kind of clue. You can do the same thing here instead reading from cover to cover.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2788344]Well 30 years ago I was stationed in San Diego. I took myself to a strip club and decided they should definitely be shut down. I think the name was Body Shop or something like that. Growing up in Atlanta I had no idea how they could call that bullshit of a place a strip club.[/QUOTE]Yeah. San Diego strip clubs never were very good.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788346]I did ask her actually. She said it's a very sad situation for the girls but she can't judge them for what they do, she only feels blessed that she didn't have to live that kind of life.

As far as the men she said the same thing about not one to judge, she said at the end of the day these young men are helping out these poor girls.

Considering tijuana is just down the road they might as well had shut down those strip clubs in San Diego.[/QUOTE]30 years ago Tijuana was a lot different. A lot different.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2788395]I agree. It is pretty pathetic.

I have been wanting to visit MDE for a few years and have tried to wade through the fucking know-it-alls bickering over typical losers with too much time on their hands arguments. And when someone tries to ask a simple question, they are admonished to RTFF. Yeah, and wade through thousands of USELESS posts from the same posters doing the scolding to RTFF.[/QUOTE]So visit Medellin. If you have questions, ask them. I've probably answered 1,000 questions and rarely will I tell anyone to RTFF. I can't imagine wanting to do something for years and not doing it because of an easily overcome obstacle.

Here's something you should have learned long ago. Whenever anyone says "I'm not trying to offend anyone", they are trying to offend someone. It's the same when someone says "I'm not going to lie. " Things not meant to offend don't need a disclaimer.

BTW, several of the older gentlemen in the hobby have several times told you how they feel. It's obvious you're not paying attention.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788103]Here's a question because I think my lady question got removed.

And let me remind the mods this is "stupid shit in Medellin" thread so I think it's appropriate. I'm also not trying to offend anyone with this question, I'm just curious to know how the older gentleman in this hobby really feel.

So my question is are you older folks 55+ that are still in the game seeing pros, semi pros, sugar babies, "gfs" young enough to be your grand kids age. Are you truly happy with your situation? Would you recommend this lifestyle at your age? Do you see yourself continuing to do this till you physically can't anymore?

Or would you had preferred to have settled down with your old gal or at least someone closer to your age spending time with your great grand kids like some fairy tale ending?

I'm curious because I'm not sure what path I would prefer at this point. For now I'm just enjoying my freedom and youth but I know time goes fast and not sure if it will still be fun.[/QUOTE]None of this will help you. Besides, apparently, you'll smell really bad long before you get to my age.

When I was 18 I was certain I wanted to get married and have a bunch of kids. At 20 I got married and started doubting my original plan. A few years later I tried again with a much better woman. Didn't work. Not really a good idea to start having kids when receiving chemotherapy. Then a few years later, a lot of options were dead and gone.

Years passed, and I gave it one last shot. Sometime before that fell apart I started to rethink it all. I saw all those people living that dream and many were miserable. Kid problems, wife problems, always dealing with money issues. A lot of guys get stuck in jobs they hate because they don't have the flexibility to make a change. So they find ways to escape, they drink, mess around with other women and usually end up splitting up.

Some make it through all that and years later they manage to make a happy life. Some just go numb and plod on. Naturally, there are some who never want anything more. They stay married to the same woman until the end. Happily ever after and all that.

28 years ago, I started making changes. I tried 1 more somewhat traditional relationship. She was my age at least. We were swinging together for 5 years, but when we stopped, there was no real reason to stay.

After trying almost everything, I'm satisfied with where I am. I'm not stuck with a fat, flabby woman who stopped wanting sex 15 years ago. I have the freedom to do whatever I want. And whenever I want there is an inexhaustible supply of women 18-25 who apparently all have no sense of smell. Whether I want to limit myself to more traditional dating, or pay as I go, it's all at my fingertips.

I've never dated anyone young enough to be my grandchild. I'm not sure you understand how it works. Maybe your stinky relative can explain it. First you have to have a child. If you never have a child there will never be anyone young enough to be your grandchild.

Perhaps you meant girlfriends who are young enough to be someone else's grandchild? Again, ask old smelly about it. See, any girl, at any age is old enough to be someone's grandchild, great grandchild, great, great, great grandchild. In fact, every girl is.

Would I recommend anything to anyone? No. What am I? Your mother? If you can't figure out how you want to live your life, I guess you're fucked.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2788395]I agree. It is pretty pathetic.bickering over typical losers with too much time on their hands arguments. And when someone tries to ask a simple question,.[/QUOTE]So where is your Q? I answered one today about typical casa opening times. You sound "worse than housewives gossiping".

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788380]she said there is no denying that your body oder and skin gets worse with age. [/QUOTE]This article agrees w you in that older people tend to have a unique smell.:
[URL]https://www.franklinpark.org/blog/old-people-smell[/URL]

However this article suggests each age group has its own odour:
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/older-people-smell-different[/URL]#purpose.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2788446]This article agrees w you in that older people tend to have a unique smell.:
[URL]https://www.franklinpark.org/blog/old-people-smell[/URL]

However this article suggests each age group has its own odour:
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/older-people-smell-different[/URL]#purpose.[/QUOTE]Quote from the first article:

[QUOTE]During this study, each participant was given an unscented t-shirt with underarm pads to sleep in for five days. The age groups consisted of men and women from young (20 to 30 years old), middle-aged (45 to 55 years old), to seniors (75 to 95 years old).

Of the age groups, the middle-aged women in the study were ranked the highest for the best smell; directly behind them was senior men.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788441]Here's something you should have learned long ago. Whenever anyone says "I'm not trying to offend anyone”

I've never dated anyone young enough to be my grandchild. I'm not sure you understand how it works. Maybe your stinky relative can explain it. First you have to have a child. If you never have a child there will never be anyone young enough to be your grandchild.

Perhaps you meant girlfriends who are young enough to be someone else's grandchild? Again, ask old smelly about it. See, any girl, at any age is old enough to be someone's grandchild, great grandchild, great, great, great grandchild. In fact, every girl is.

Would I recommend anything to anyone? No. What am I? Your mother? If you can't figure out how you want to live your life, I guess you're fucked.[/QUOTE]Interesting, oh no I was just curious, I certainly wouldn't take any life decision advice from any one here, I was just curious how some of the older gents feel on this subject.

No worries mate. Hopefully no one was offended.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2788446]This article agrees w you in that older people tend to have a unique smell.:
[URL]https://www.franklinpark.org/blog/old-people-smell[/URL]

However this article suggests each age group has its own odour:
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/older-people-smell-different[/URL]#purpose.[/QUOTE]You actually looked it up LOL

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788415]So visit Medellin. If you have questions, ask them. I've probably answered 1,000 questions and rarely will I tell anyone to RTFF. I can't imagine wanting to do something for years and not doing it because of an easily overcome obstacle.[/QUOTE]Here's a question nobody had an answer too, and well I didn't want to risk the ATM taking my money.

What's the max a bancolombia or dividienda ATM will let you take out in a single transaction.

For bancolombia the highest withdrawal option displayed was 600 k but I wasn't sure if I could take out more in the custom option.

I ended up doing 3 separate transactions of 600 k and of course my bank charged me 3 $5 fees.

For dividienda I think the highest displayed was 900 k.

So I'm wondering could I had avoided those other 2 fees if it would let me take out 1,800,000 in a single transaction?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788540]Quote from the first article:[/QUOTE]Sure, but chk out the sample sizes. Insignificant. Whereas there are so many articles about it on the internet that it seems indisputed.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2788395]I agree. It is pretty pathetic.....[/QUOTE]This will help you find information. This is not a hint to tell you RTFF. It is to address the problem you have not being able to find information.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2762933]Searching, the easy way:....[/QUOTE]But first you can go to ROD.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2768592]Threads in Colombia, ....[/QUOTE]I personally don't think most posters that are active on this thread do what you said. Just look at JjB here. He still answers questions regardless the attitude of the poster.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787745]I was talking with a family member who's almost 60 and I asked her what does she think when she sees a 60 yr old man with a 20 yr old women?

She told me she just feels bad for the girl because she has to put up with that old man's smell for the money LMAO.

I said how so? And she explained to me how it doesn't matter how many products you use on your skin, when you age there's no way to avoid the ph levels in your skin. I said what do you think about men who think women prefer them over younger guys, she laughed and said they are delusional.[/QUOTE]No it's not true. You can say that to your mother aka 60 yo family member.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2788609]Sure, but chk out the sample sizes. Insignificant. Whereas there are so many articles about it on the internet that it seems indisputed.[/QUOTE]I know. I was going to comment on the sample size, but got busy with something else.

There is a certain smell I associate with old people's houses. It's not unpleasant, but it is common in houses where people have lived for many years, as MrE noted. However, it's primarily not from accumulated body odor. Old wood, old books (one of my favorite smells), old fabric and cooking odors are the main culprits.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788583]Here's a question nobody had an answer too, and well I didn't want to risk the ATM taking my money.

What's the max a bancolombia or dividienda ATM will let you take out in a single transaction.

For bancolombia the highest withdrawal option displayed was 600 k but I wasn't sure if I could take out more in the custom option.

I ended up doing 3 separate transactions of 600 k and of course my bank charged me 3 $5 fees.

For dividienda I think the highest displayed was 900 k.

So I'm wondering could I had avoided those other 2 fees if it would let me take out 1,800,000 in a single transaction?[/QUOTE]I can actually answer that. Bancolombia max 600 k. You cannot take out more in the custom option.

Dividienda, the max is higher, I think it was 2100 or 2200 mil. You can definitely take out 1800 mil in a single transaction at that bank.

I was just in Medellin a few days ago and was trying out a number of ATMs, that is how I know from personal experience.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788583]Here's a question nobody had an answer too, and well I didn't want to risk the ATM taking my money.

What's the max a bancolombia or dividienda ATM will let you take out in a single transaction.

For bancolombia the highest withdrawal option displayed was 600 k but I wasn't sure if I could take out more in the custom option.

I ended up doing 3 separate transactions of 600 k and of course my bank charged me 3 $5 fees.

For dividienda I think the highest displayed was 900 k.

So I'm wondering could I had avoided those other 2 fees if it would let me take out 1,800,000 in a single transaction?[/QUOTE]Bancolombia charges a fee on each withdrawal. I never [B] NEVER [/B] use them so I can't tell you what the maximum withdrawal is these days or the fee (it was $600 k pesos last I checked). If your bank also charges a fee on foreign ATM use. You might want to switch to a Fidelity, Schwab or Capital One bank account. I believe none of these 3 charge you a foreign ATM fee and they reimburse any fees the dispensing bank charges.

Next Davienda typically allows a maximum withdrawal of $2 million pesos in a single transaction and there is no fee. Make sure to decline the bank rate conversion. You will get your money using the Visa Exchange Rate which will be dramatically better.

The other transaction allows you to select an amount between amounts offered. You type in what you want. You can't select an amount that exceeds the maximum withdrawal offering. For example at Davienda you can't select $3 million pesos when the maximum is set at $2 million pesos.

All of this has been discussed many many times. It seems a little wierd to me to travel on vacation to a foreign country and not check out which banks are best to use, which charge the lowest fees and how much your bank will charge in fees for using a foreign ATM.

You know that smell your almost 60 year old person was telling you about? Maybe it was the smell of money which a lot of us older expats have.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2788645]No it's not true. You can say that to your mother aka 60 yo family member.[/QUOTE]So you are 100% sure of that? My mother is over 60 but nice guess.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2788658] The other transaction allows you to select an amount between amounts offered. You type in what you want. You can't select an amount that exceeds the maximum withdrawal offering. For example at Davienda you can't select $3 million pesos when the maximum is set at $2 million pesos.

All of this has been discussed many many times. It seems a little wierd to me to travel on vacation to a foreign country and not check out which banks are best to use, which charge the lowest fees and how much your bank will charge in fees for using a foreign ATM.[/QUOTE]This is the answer I was looking for "how much will the other option let you take out" so you are saying you can't take out more than the max amount displayed in a single transaction correct.

Trust me I looked on this forum for this question, I looked online, on other forums, Reddit, the banks website, didn't find any info on this. I already knew about everything else like declining the exchange rate, the other fees banks charge, switching to Schwab etc, that information gets replayed like a broken record.

From my experience the best bank was davivienda. Higher withdrawal option and no fee.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2788653]I can actually answer that. Bancolombia max 600 k. You cannot take out more in the custom option.

Dividienda, the max is higher, I think it was 2100 or 2200 mil. You can definitely take out 1800 mil in a single transaction at that bank.

I was just in Medellin a few days ago and was trying out a number of ATMs, that is how I know from personal experience.[/QUOTE]Got it thanks. Yeah what I was confused about was if I could take out more in the custom option but now I know. I had heard of people being ripped off by the machine stating it gave them the money but never actually received it, so I didn't want to risk that happening.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788840]I am not a very experience monger. I'm 62, American, look OK for my age, I'm divorced 10 years and I'm really depressed.

At any rate I went on seeking two weeks before the Lisbon trip. I sent out a lot of messages. I was offering 600 euros per day paid at the beginning of each day for three days. I got some responses. I asked for a video chat. Four agreed.

I always give the girl the money up front the moment that we meet and I have had success with that, in brothels and seeking. [/QUOTE]In another thread you did all this research on robberies but did not research any prostitute pricing in Colombia at all? I am sure the druggings and theft are more than double what you read. Many guys are too embarrassed or do not have time on their short vacations to visit the police knowing next to nothing will or can be done.

For 3,050,000 COP per day I could have had her, her sister, mother, and two cousins which would have been 610,000 each per day. Plus, you had to have paid another 100,000 minimum for food and drinks each day.

You are telling us you handed over 3,050,000 COP before even sitting down and having lunch together? It could have been a trans or she had menstruation.

If you are from USA and you are in Colombia then why the hell are you talking Euros for?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788583]Here's a question nobody had an answer too, and well I didn't want to risk the ATM taking my money.

What's the max a bancolombia or dividienda ATM will let you take out in a single transaction.

For bancolombia the highest withdrawal option displayed was 600 k but I wasn't sure if I could take out more in the custom option.

I ended up doing 3 separate transactions of 600 k and of course my bank charged me 3 $5 fees.

For dividienda I think the highest displayed was 900 k.

So I'm wondering could I had avoided those other 2 fees if it would let me take out 1,800,000 in a single transaction?[/QUOTE]That question has been answered more than "do you want fries with that?" One of the most common complaints on the Medellin forum is that too many posts are about ATMs.

Of the ones I remember:

Bancolombia 600 k.

BBVA 400 k.

Servibanca 780 k.

All charge a fee.

Colpatria / Scotiabank 900 k.

Banco Pichincha 1 million.

Davivienda 2,020,000.

All had no fee, although Colpatria might have changed.

The maximum offered by Davivienda might be different depending on your bank. Fees charged by your bank might be reduced by changing to a different type of checking account. If you travel often you could benefit from switching to a bank with no fees and which reimburses other bank's fees.

If you try to withdraw more than the maximum allowed at an ATM your money doesn't disappear. The transaction won't go through.

Also your bank may limit your maximum withdrawal per transaction and per day.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788941] Also your bank may limit your maximum withdrawal per transaction and per day.[/QUOTE]Considering all the stories about people being drugged it would be wise of you to lower your daily ATM and transaction limit. SMH to those that leave their limit high or unlimited.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2789124]Oh my giddy aunt. Harry, can I be your agent? I will manage your financial affairs while your in Colombia. How does that sound?[/QUOTE]I think this is the same guy that posted a gazillion "stupid" questions in the Rio thread, but once the date came that it was time to go, something came up. Now it is time to do the same in the Medellin thread.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788896]I had heard of people being ripped off by the machine stating it gave them the money but never actually received it, so I didn't want to risk that happening.[/QUOTE]I have not used Bancolombia since 2018 or 2019 when I hit the 600,000 button and it did not give me money, but still took it out of my account.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789569]I have not used Bancolombia since 2018 or 2019 when I hit the 600,000 button and it did not give me money, but still took it out of my account.[/QUOTE]Did you eventually get it refunded?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789031]Considering all the stories about people being drugged it would be wise of you to lower your daily ATM and transaction limit. SMH to those that leave their limit high or unlimited.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I lower it from $1000 a day to $500 a day when in dodgy countries. I don't see the point to limiting it per transaction though. Thieves know how to make two transactions. And separate your stuff. A credit card here, an ATM card there. I carry at least two ATM cards and at least two credit cards in different places, even if it is just different pockets at times. And if you are my age, send yourself an email or text about what you put where ja ja. Having a no fee ATM card such as Charles Schwab's also limits your risk because there is no need to take out the maximum and walk around with it. I got my ATM card cloned and my account emptied in Guatemala and Schwab sent me a new card by DHL courier the next day. Most of the money they put back that next day too although there was one withdrawal that I had to argue about for five days or so.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789623]Did you eventually get it refunded?[/QUOTE]Schwab gave it back to me, but I do not think Bancolombia gave it back to them. I do not know which bank my ex-girlfriend in Bogota uses, but when her card was cloned and the money went gone, she was just shit out of luck.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2789879]You've mentioned this a few times and it makes no sense. Lower your daily withdrawal limit? When they withdraw money they see your balance (at least at most banks here). Which means they take out what they can and come back the next day and the next and the next until they have it all. What do they do with you? Keep you unconscious or just kill you.

At the very least hide your damn credit card somewhere no one could ever find it. A lot of better hotels have a security box in the reception area (at my hotel it is like a safe deposit box). Put your card in an envelope and leave it there. [/QUOTE]From what I've seen reported, In most cases you won't be knocked out for more than 48 hrs. A lower daily withdrawal limit means you have better odds of not being wiped out. I'm not referring to people who are being held kidnapped, I'm referring to the typical street theft or drugging.

Pay cash at restaurants and stores? Terrible advice. Better exchange rate paying with card.

Keep your debit card in the hotel safe? Even worse advice. Never trust hotel safes. Many reports of staff getting in them.

Hide your card in your room, have you not heard most scope victims find and hand over their hidden items to the perpetrators? Yeah that's not going to work.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789791]Based on research that I have done, I think that there are several reasons why Medellin gets more attention on ISG that any other city in the world. It seems to be like the #1 monger destination or at least a top contender.

Several things combine to make Medellin the world's best sex worker destination:

Genetics:

The population is a mix of about 80% Spanish and 20% Native American.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_[/URL](region).

The Spanish were mainly from the Extremadura and Basque areas. Women will generally be about 5'2", European features, dark eyes, dark straight hair shoulder to waist length, light brown to white skin. There are also many recent Venezuelan refugees.

Poverty:

More than 50% of the population in the Medellin metropolitan area is poor, meaning an income of under $90 per month per person.

[URL]https://www.oecd.org/education/executive.pdf[/URL]

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombias-poverty-rate-down-to-39-3-as-economy-recovers-from-pandemic/[/URL]

The youth unemployment rate amounted to 26.44 percent in 2021. The youth unemployment rate refers to the share of the economically active population aged 15 to 24 currently without work but in search of employment. The youth unemployment rate does not include economically inactive persons such as the long-term unemployed or full-time students.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/811936/youth-unemployment-rate-in-colombia[/URL]

Sex drive:

Spanish people seem to have a very high sex drive.

[URL]https://www.expatmadrid.com/2018/05/28/sex-in-spain/[/URL]

[URL]https://latinawoman.org/latina-women-in-bed[/URL]

So Medellin offers a vast number of passionate, beautiful and very poor girls which may be unmatched elsewhere.

The only fly in the ointment seems to be the drugging and robbing problem, however that never or almost never happens with a WG. So long as you are paying her for sex, you should be fine. Plus of course stick to low crime areas like El Poblado and don't do anything illegal like buying drugs, selling drugs, pimping out girls, sex with underage girls etc.[/QUOTE]This should be pinned at the top and titled "How to tell you haven't a clue. " That shows, better than anything, you should avoid Medellin until you find someone to hold your hand.

As I've already said, Medellin isn't even #1 in Colombia and Bogota isn't #1 in South America. Judging based on number of posts doesn't work. Just look at all of your posts. How many have you put in the Medellin forum? And you've never been. Or look at all of mine, although I've at least gotten laid there.

El Poblado isn't a safe area. Stupidity in Poblado is just as likely to be punished as stupidity in El Centro. Just yesterday I pointed out where I was robbed within a few blocks of the best area in Bogota. That happened when I was almost as clueless.

Most of the drugging is perpetrated by working girls. You think all those girls go directly from being perfect angels to helping to rob people? You think there's some special school that teaches virgins how to convince strange men to drink with them and take them to their rooms? You don't learn how to close a deal without spending your time selling something.

Mexico has a higher poverty rate and 3 times the population of Colombia, along with a lot more tourism. They even import hookers from Colombia. Forget about places like Bangkok which is so accessible to most of the world's population.

I love Colombia, especially Medellin, but that doesn't make it the world's top destination.

Instead of wasting time trying to find reasons to go to Colombia, making false assumptions and jumping to ridiculous conclusions, buy a fucking plane ticket and get some Colombian pussy. I can guarantee it's a much better way to spend time.

Here's a tip for everyone else. If you're checking a bag, make room for a jar of bread and butter pickles. I wrap the hard in bubble wrap and put it in a zip lock bag. I think you'll be surprised by how much girls like them.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2789829]Okay so you want to make yourself feel better about paying. Truth is there's no reason for anyone young, in shape with looks, game, and decent income to be paying outside of rare occasions. And no you don't "pay one way or another. " Buying someone drinks and a meal doesn't count of course as many of us do that for family and friends. Picking up the tab at the restaurant is just custom on a date, not payment for sex. Plus sex is typically better with someone who wants to have it with you as opposed to those that do it because they were paid.[/QUOTE]Dude that's your opinion.

Different strokes for different folks, I've had long relationships, I was married for several years, enjoyed the ups and downs of family life and trust me when I say nothing is free in this world, so yes you do pay for it one way or the other.

It's better when you don't pay for it? LOL ok that's your opinion as well. Some of the best sex I've ever had was straight pay for play. But like I said everyone has their opinion, I'm just sharing mine.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2789787]It was pretty much useless in the first place. I dunno why anyone would think their experience with a particular girl is going to be like any other person's experience with a girl. Personal reviews are pointless beyond red flagging.[/QUOTE]I don't think it was because it made finding Facebook girls who play much easier. You used to be able to browse thru profiles on the main page and see profile pictures. Now you can only search up names to pull anything up which makes it useless now to find any one new.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2789681] The President of Colombia earns about 600 k pesos per day.[/QUOTE]Those numbers are from several years ago, it's at least double that now.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789964]From what I've seen reported, In most cases you won't be knocked out for more than 48 hrs. A lower daily withdrawal limit means you have better odds of not being wiped out. I'm not referring to people who are being held kidnapped, I'm referring to the typical street theft or drugging.

Pay cash at restaurants and stores? Terrible advice. Better exchange rate paying with card.

Keep your debit card in the hotel safe? Even worse advice. Never trust hotel safes. Many reports of staff getting in them.

Hide your card in your room, have you not heard most scope victims find and hand over their hidden items to the perpetrators? Yeah that's not going to work.[/QUOTE]1. "In most cases" doesn't matter, because in some cases the victim was taken elsewhere and kept while large amounts were withdrawn over several days and in those cases the victim tends to be found days or weeks later, occasionally in pieces. Ideally you avoid being a victim. Failing that, probably better if the thieves can't see the advantage in keeping the bank from locking down your accounts.

2. Many places in Colombia charge a fee for credit card transactions. Often hotel rates are much lower with cash, paid at the desk, rather than using a credit card through a discount booking site. Then there's the ever present risk someone will clone your card. In addition dealing in cash and keeping your cards in a safe place limits your losses on the street to cash on hand.

3. Choice between walking around with around $50 k in plastic money, plus $200 in cash, or just walking around with $200 in cash while that $50 k is locked away (and in some cases unable to be used) with the option of being alerted if any of the plastic is used? That's a tough one.

4. Not all room thefts involve getting drugged. Whatever you leave easily accessible can end up in a girl's pocket if you turn your back. Again, it's a choice between trying to minimize your loss or making it easier for someone to get the most possible from you.

On #2 I've experienced the hotel issue a few times. The most memorable was a place I booked for $69 USD for 1 night, with a posted normal daily rate of $85. When I checked out I was initially charged $40, until the desk clerk noticed I had agreed to the "discount rate" of $69. There's also the frequently reported issue of credit card transactions in Colombia charged in dollars instead of pesos, resulting in a worse exchange rate (the same as accepting the bank conversion at the ATM).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789931]Schwab gave it back to me, but I do not think Bancolombia gave it back to them. I do not know which bank my ex-girlfriend in Bogota uses, but when her card was cloned and the money went gone, she was just shit out of luck.[/QUOTE]Probably Bancolombia. A girl I know left her billfold with cedula, driver's license, Bancolombia debit card and Bancolombia Visa at a hotel. The hotel found it and it was sent to her, but it arrived with no cash, no Bancolombia card and no Visa. They didn't get much from her savings account, but 2 million COP was charged on her Visa and she had to pay it.

Maybe it's a good idea understand one language well before learning or explaining another. "His, him, he, her, she, her" are examples of masculine and feminine you suggested do not exist in English. Ser vs. Estar is easier to understand as an equation (I. E. Profession. He is a doctor, equations. One plus one is two vs location. He is in Medellin or state of being. She is ill).

[QUOTE=TheCane;2789947]The literal translations of the Spanish verbs "estar" and "ser" are the exact same in English (to be), but they absolutely do not mean the identical same thing in Spanish. Keeping it really, really simple the former can be temporal while the latter is about the essence of something or someone that is more of a fixed or permanent characteristic. In English we don't have multiple verbs for "being". This makes it confusing and challenging, at least at first, to learn the differences between estar and ser and how to use those verbs in Spanish correctly. English also doesn't have "masculine" and "feminine" which I find to be (ser would be appropriate here haha) really fucking annoying! Why? Just to make it harder to learn Spanish? LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2790139]Maybe it's a good idea understand one language well before learning or explaining another. "His, him, he, her, she, her" are examples of masculine and feminine you suggested do not exist in English. Ser vs. Estar is easier to understand as an equation (I. E. Profession. He is a doctor, equations. One plus one is two vs location. He is in Medellin or state of being. She is ill).[/QUOTE]I speak [B]three languages[/B] and understand very, very well what I'm talking about. Of course English has what you say (rolling eyes). I didn't mean it that way. What I was specifically referring to is masculine and feminine [B]nouns[/B]: [URL]https://study.com/academty/lesson/masculine-feminine-in-spanish.html[/URL]. It would be a good idea for you to seek to fully understand before drawing negative conclusions about what somebody else's knowledge is (or isn't). And there's so much more to "estar" and "ser" than it's appropriate for here. Example: Ella esta (a conjugation of estar) enojada (she's mad now or in the moment). Ella es (a conjugation of ser) enojada (she has a personality that is ill-tempered or grumpy). But hey, we don't come here for language lessons do we except for what's right here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=Abbreviations[/URL].

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2789973]This should be pinned at the top and titled "How to tell you haven't a clue. " That shows, better than anything, you should avoid Medellin until you find someone to hold your hand.[/QUOTE]I'm very sorry however you obviously don't understand the advantage which my high intelligence gives me when it comes to analyzing complex subjects. This is why I understand Medellin far better than most other people who have been there dozens of times.

Aside from that how dare you imply that the working girls of Medellin might engage in robbery? These are hard working professionals with hearts of gold. Shame on you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2789973] I love Colombia, especially Medellin, but that doesn't make it the world's top destination.

Instead of wasting time trying to find reasons to go to Colombia, making false assumptions and jumping to ridiculous conclusions, buy a fucking plane ticket and get some Colombian pussy. I can guarantee it's a much better way to spend time.[/QUOTE]Maybe you're being a little too harsh on the guy. Some guys are just in love with the fantasy of it all, maybe he's tied down and just wants to fantasize about leaving his wife for Colombia, or maybe he's trying to save up so that he can purchase a ticket. Don't beat him down, let him enjoy the journey.

Haha I on the other hand lasted a whole 3 weeks after leaving medellin before already buying another flight back. I'll be there again soon. If you are around I'the like to have a word with you face to face.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2790216]Maybe you're being a little too harsh on the guy. Some guys are just in love with the fantasy of it all, maybe he's tied down and just wants to fantasize about leaving his wife for Colombia, or maybe he's trying to save up so that he can purchase a ticket. Don't beat him down, let him enjoy the journey.

Haha I on the other hand lasted a whole 3 weeks after leaving medellin before already buying another flight back. I'll be there again soon. If you are around I'the like to have a word with you face to face.[/QUOTE]Being too hard on him? Nah. It's a hard world. If you sugar coat everything you just end up with another fat diabetic whining about the cost of insulin. Besides I'm just paying it forward from all the guys who were harsh with me when I thought I knew everything (That will get a few response).

I just left Bogota yesterday. It will be awhile before I'm back in Medellin. You'll get a chance eventually. Until then welcome to PPAA (Paisa Pussy Addicts Anonymous). Help yourself to coffee and donuts. If they aren't cream filled they soon will be.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2790167]I'm very sorry however you obviously don't understand the advantage which my high intelligence gives me when it comes to analyzing complex subjects. This is why I understand Medellin far better than most other people who have been there dozens of times.[/QUOTE]Really? Well your "high intelligence analyzing" apparently yields "analysis paralysis". Because you go into these threads asking question after question after question sucking up the time of people who choose to engage with you, and then you end up not going anywhere. Like the man said. You did the same thing in the Brazil threads. You didn't go to Brazil. And you won't go to Colombia either. Analysis paralysis is not a strength! You could be an undercover "Macunaima" for all we know.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2790167]I'm very sorry however you obviously don't understand the advantage which my high intelligence gives me when it comes to analyzing complex subjects. This is why I understand Medellin far better than most other people who have been there dozens of times.

Aside from that how dare you imply that the working girls of Medellin might engage in robbery? These are hard working professionals with hearts of gold. Shame on you.[/QUOTE]Is this meant to be sarcastic bro?

You've never been to medellin yet you claim to understand it better than guys who have been here dozens of times. I think jjbee has a much better understanding of Medallo than you ever will.

And you say working girls never rob or steal? Then can you explain to me how a working girl stole may laptop back in January?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789168]I think this is the same guy that posted a gazillion "stupid" questions in the Rio thread, but once the date came that it was time to go, something came up. Now it is time to do the same in the Medellin thread.[/QUOTE]And stupid questions! Yeah I have news for people. There is such a thing as a stupid question (and ugly people too haha). And some people have a penchant for asking them! Time to "let go" so to speak.

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If you have not had the pleasure of reading some of Ken M's comments on Yahoo's new stories, then you're missing out on a piece of modern art. I am willing to bet Ken single-handedly caused Yahoo to mentally meltdown and shut down their comments, totally making the place useless.

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[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2790167]I'm very sorry however you obviously don't understand the advantage which my high intelligence gives me when it comes to analyzing complex subjects. This is why I understand Medellin far better than most other people who have been there dozens of times.

Aside from that how dare you imply that the working girls of Medellin might engage in robbery? These are hard working professionals with hearts of gold. Shame on you.[/QUOTE]

It started out innocently. I saw this and saw some humor in it:

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2790129]Jealous? Far from it. You think the Colombian BFs can not figure out what she is doing out every night without him while dressed to kill? This idiot posting the youtube videos could cut into her and her Colombian BFs Western Union gravy train. I hope the youtuber gets what he deserves because he is making Colombia and our [B]sport[/B] look bad.[/QUOTE]Which set up perfectly for:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2790192]It's a sport now? Not many sports where you can get into the pros with just a dick and $10.[/QUOTE]I didn't think it needed an explanation, but apparently I was mistaken.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2790282]I am in the sport. I am not a pro. I am in the Pee Wee League building up my confidence. I do not think I am winning but after every game I feel as if I just won the Super Bowl.[/QUOTE]He kind of missed it, but finished on a good note. So, I put it out there again, making the play on words a little more obvious:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2790421]If you're not getting into the pros every time, you're doing it wrong.[/QUOTE]That's where things went horribly wrong. At least for Elvis. I understand that it's more of a groaner than a side splitter, but surely anyone should be able to pick up on the pun. Almost anyone.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2790513]Uh, okay fish story, we all know you are bigger, badder, and better than everyone else in your own mind. Give it a rest, Mr. "solid 4".[/QUOTE]Not only did he miss it completely, he somehow thought I was trying to brag about something.

That might be the most embarrassing moment in the history of ISG.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2790661]That's where things went horribly wrong. At least for Elvis. I understand that it's more of a groaner than a side splitter, but surely anyone should be able to pick up on the pun. Almost anyone.

Not only did he miss it completely, he somehow thought I was trying to brag about something.[/QUOTE]That is par for the course. If you write what you mean, then he can not pick up on it; if you write what you don't mean, then he can not pick up on it. I think everyone is used to it by now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2790137]Probably Bancolombia. A girl I know left her billfold with cedula, driver's license, Bancolombia debit card and Bancolombia Visa at a hotel. The hotel found it and it was sent to her, but it arrived with no cash, no Bancolombia card and no Visa. They didn't get much from her savings account, but 2 million COP was charged on her Visa and she had to pay it.[/QUOTE]I am from Canada, and fraudulent credit card charges are not the responsibility of the card holder. This is Colombia and this is not easy to make happen, but once the banks start being held liable for fraudulent charges and then naturally they will next come down on the merchants I believe things will change. How could the store clerk not check the ID with the name on the credit card? They are in pure cohoots. Once the merchant gets charged and loses their ability to process electronic payments, things will improve for the victims.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2790661]It started out innocently. I saw this and saw some humor in it:

Which set up perfectly for:

I didn't think it needed an explanation, but apparently I was mistaken.

He kind of missed it, but finished on a good note. So, I put it out there again, making the play on words a little more obvious:

That's where things went horribly wrong. At least for Elvis. I understand that it's more of a groaner than a side splitter, but surely anyone should be able to pick up on the pun. Almost anyone.

Not only did he miss it completely, he somehow thought I was trying to brag about something.

That might be the most embarrassing moment in the history of ISG.[/QUOTE]Horribly wrong? Most embarrassing moment in ISG? How about your spreading Covid throughout Colombia after bragging about how you knew so much about it? Oh, yeah, that was nothing.

Loveithere is calling the hobby, paying women for money, a sport. You attempt to make a joke with the word sport, and it was not funny at all.

What you miss is he takes your comment seriously. "I am not a pro. I am in the Pee Wee League building up my confidence. I do not think I am winning".

Does that sound like a guy who got your joke? If so, then why did you repeat it a second time?

Then you double down and claim that "he is doing it wrong".

Now you are like, "Elvis was too stupid to get my pun. " No, I got it, but the reason you repeated it is that you think you are so fucking brilliant people cannot understand you.

So this is your game. When I kick your ass, you do not admit defeat. You are such an arrogant fuck you just think I do not understand your POV.

In fact, your "joke" says it all. Your "joke" was not funny. So what did you do? The same shit you always do. You think If you tell it a different way, everyone will laugh their heads off when it was even more offensive and more arrogant than your first attempt and just as painfully not funny.

And if my reading comprehension was the problem, then why did you tell your dumb "joke" a second time?

Narcissists tend to be selfish and self-involved and are usually unable to understand what other people are feeling. That just is another check mark to add to the list Lebron. You are just embarrassing yourself again.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2790840]I am from Canada, and fraudulent credit card charges are not the responsibility of the card holder. This is Colombia and this is not easy to make happen, but once the banks start being held liable for fraudulent charges and then naturally they will next come down on the merchants I believe things will change. How could the store clerk not check the ID with the name on the credit card? They are in pure cohoots. Once the merchant gets charged and loses their ability to process electronic payments, things will improve for the victims.[/QUOTE]I use credit and debit cards all the time in the US, Canada and Colombia. I've never been asked for my ID that I can recall. Many places there's nobody to check your ID, with the self checkout lanes. And of course there are all the online merchants.

In most cases, if you're using a US or Canadian bank you're not liable for fraud. However, if you're using a card issued by a Colombian bank, those protections don't exist.

You might not suffer a financial loss, but it can be troublesome if your card gets canceled due to fraud.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2790870]What you miss is he takes your comment seriously. "I am not a pro. I am in the Pee Wee League building up my confidence. I do not think I am winning".

Does that sound like a guy who got your joke?[/QUOTE]I assumed he was talking about me. I do street girls and the ones I go after I do not consider "pro". Most the girls I am with are part-timers not everyday, work 2 years max and find a financial supporter, and ones that may be in the game longer but do not have that hardened attitude. I consider the "pros" to be the ones that charge for every little thing as extras, mechanical or dead fish in bed, watch the clock, rush things, fake their having fun by moaning after just 5 seconds thinking you will cum faster. My "pro" and your "pro" definition may not be the same. I do not care. Let's not spend 5 pages on its definition please. The only "pro" I have been with in the last year is Rosy Palm and she pulled a tendon. A moment of silence please to reflect on the good times.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2790871]I use credit and debit cards all the time in the US, Canada and Colombia. I've never been asked for my ID that I can recall. Many places there's nobody to check your ID, with the self checkout lanes. And of course there are all the online merchants.

In most cases, if you're using a US or Canadian bank you're not liable for fraud. However, if you're using a card issued by a Colombian bank, those protections don't exist.

You might not suffer a financial loss, but it can be troublesome if your card gets canceled due to fraud.[/QUOTE]I thought you recently said to use cash for everything in Colombia? I will be in MDE next week and I will be using my two no foreign transaction fee cards that protect me from fraud for everything I can and the cards will never leave my sight when making a purchase. I will get the daily conversion rate. One stays locked up in the safe at all times with my ATM card when not in use. I stay in a building with very tight security. This makes my vacation much easier than dealing with cash all the time and limits the amount of wasted time going to ATM's. Cash is for the chicas and misc small purchases or if they don't take cards. And I don't do street girls or tinder. Only SA and FB girls who I have been friends with for a while and post a lot about their lives.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2791061]I thought you recently said to use cash for everything in Colombia? I will be in MDE next week and I will be using my two no foreign transaction fee cards that protect me from fraud for everything I can and the cards will never leave my sight when making a purchase. I will get the daily conversion rate. One stays locked up in the safe at all times with my ATM card when not in use. I stay in a building with very tight security. This makes my vacation much easier than dealing with cash all the time and limits the amount of wasted time going to ATM's. Cash is for the chicas and misc small purchases or if they don't take cards. And I don't do street girls or tinder. Only SA and FB girls who I have been friends with for a while and post a lot about their lives.[/QUOTE]I use both, or all 3 in Colombia: Cash Credit cards and Debit cards.

I usually rent a car and use a credit card for that for the additional insurance coverage. For lodging I might use anything, depending on where I'm staying. For restaurants it depends. For more typical meals I'll use cash, fancy dinners I'll use a card. For store purchases I always use cash and pay with either a 50 k or 100 k note, to get more small bills.

Also, if the exchange rate is peaking I'll withdraw a bunch for next time.

I've found that timing my withdraw and using cash occasionally results in a better than best exchange rate.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2790840]How could the store clerk not check the ID with the name on the credit card? They are in pure cohoots. Once the merchant gets charged and loses their ability to process electronic payments, things will improve for the victims.[/QUOTE]Damn man. You are living in the stone ages. I do not think anyone on this planet has asked me for ID when I have handed them a credit card in the last 20 years. Why do you assume the clerk is at fault? There are data breaches all the time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2791125]I use both, or all 3 in Colombia: Cash Credit cards and Debit cards.

I usually rent a car and use a credit card for that for the additional insurance coverage. For lodging I might use anything, depending on where I'm staying. For restaurants it depends. For more typical meals I'll use cash, fancy dinners I'll use a card. For store purchases I always use cash and pay with either a 50 k or 100 k note, to get more small bills.

Also, if the exchange rate is peaking I'll withdraw a bunch for next time.

I've found that timing my withdraw and using cash occasionally results in a better than best exchange rate.[/QUOTE]Now you are making some sense.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2791044]I assumed he was talking about me. I do street girls and the ones I go after I do not consider "pro". Most the girls I am with are part-timers not everyday, work 2 years max and find a financial supporter, and ones that may be in the game longer but do not have that hardened attitude. I consider the "pros" to be the ones that charge for every little thing as extras, mechanical or dead fish in bed, watch the clock, rush things, fake their having fun by moaning after just 5 seconds thinking you will cum faster. My "pro" and your "pro" definition may not be the same. I do not care. Let's not spend 5 pages on its definition please. The only "pro" I have been with in the last year is Rosy Palm and she pulled a tendon. A moment of silence please to reflect on the good times.[/QUOTE]Actually, I wasn't talking about anyone. I didn't know you wrote the post about sport until you responded with the "pee wee league" post.

I try to read and respond to posts before seeing who wrote them. It lets me view the content without prejudice.

I found your reference to our "sport" funny, so I went with it. Sport - $10, a dick and a hooker and you're "into the pros. ".

Although it was clear you missed the joke, I enjoyed the Pee Wee League reply. All by itself it was a good post. Which led to my 2nd joke and Elvis' epic failure. Again, it wasn't a dgf at you, just a joke.

I don't know if it will take 5 pages, but there's a problem with your definition. Common usage here accepts "pro" as a generic term for a prostitute. You might consider the girls you see as amateurs, but if you're paying for sex, they're pros.

You can add whatever adjectives you want, but at the heart of it there's still a pro, a girl who fucks for money.

Personally, I agree with your preferences.

My jokes might not have been funny to you or Elvis, but the fact they went completely over your heads is hilarious.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2791222]I don't know if it will take 5 pages, but there's a problem with your definition. Common usage here accepts "pro" as a generic term for a prostitute. You might consider the girls you see as amateurs, but if you're paying for sex, they're pros.

You can add whatever adjectives you want, but at the heart of it there's still a pro, a girl who fucks for money.[/QUOTE]Disagree. You can pay in movies, dinners, drinks, shopping, trips, or cash. Any way you slice it you are paying with money. One way is direct payment and the others are indirect payment. You really consider the girl who just came over the border and been available for a month the same as the 40 year old that has been doing it for 15 years?

You pay with time, energy, and / or money. I do not want to waste my time or my energy anymore. I want a sure money straight up deal.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2791222]Actually, I wasn't talking about anyone. I didn't know you wrote the post about sport until you responded with the "pee wee league" post.

I found your reference to our "sport" funny, so I went with it. Sport - $10, a dick and a hooker and you're "into the pros. ".

Although it was clear you missed the joke, I enjoyed the Pee Wee League reply. [/QUOTE]Made sense to me because when I see pro I read it as being short for prostitute. I know other guys read it as being a level or frequency of selling pussy; or read it as being short for professional.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2791386]Disagree. You can pay in movies, dinners, drinks, shopping, trips, or cash. Any way you slice it you are paying with money..[/QUOTE]You are correct if your only interest in women is their pussy. And they can sense it when you are only picking up the tab at the restaurant to try and get in their pants. That's precisely why they enjoy eating a fine steak on you only to leave you high and dry. LOL And that's precisely why you, though only in your 30's, have to lurk around Botero Plaza putting up with the fake moaning and requests of "leche baby. " I rest my case.

I'll add that buying dinner and drinks while spending time in the company of an interesting woman is money well spent. I do the same for family and friends. It's not "payment" for anything, and it's truly sad when someone has such a shallow view of personal relationships. It's also custom in our culture for men to pick up the tab on dates though some women like to pay their own way.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2791386]Disagree. You can pay in movies, dinners, drinks, shopping, trips, or cash. Any way you slice it you are paying with money. One way is direct payment and the others are indirect payment. You really consider the girl who just came over the border and been available for a month the same as the 40 year old that has been doing it for 15 years?

You pay with time, energy, and / or money. I do not want to waste my time or my energy anymore. I want a sure money straight up deal.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that is right. A father's worst nightmare is an unemployed daughter marrying an unemployed guy for "love."

In every culture I have studied, marriage involves some kind of exchange of money for the woman, and the clowns here forget why. It is because when a woman is pregnant and gives birth, she is often a near invalid and totally dependent on the man. If the man does not provide, the burden shifts back to the woman's family and that makes them unhappy. So a family is going to want a husband who is a provider who keeps the woman safe, secure, and happy. This notion that you "don't pay for sex" is also saying you are shit suitor material.

If you want to short change the above process, and most guys should unless they want to be married, then you pay directly as you suggest.

On the flip side, if you are an in demand woman with hundreds of suitors, you would be a complete idiot not to consider money when picking a mate. A lot of these women may have a fling with some Adonis type just for fun or a one night stand with some cute or funny guy when they are at a point in life where they are not interested in marriage. These guys delude themselves into thinking the women really like them because they did not pay them when they are just a fling. When these women get serious, they are going to evaluate a man as provider.

With the Medellin morons here though, they are fucking women so ugly no one would pay them, and they try to make themselves out as studs because they are "not paying for it." Ironically, many of the women they have seen are former broken down WGs.

Look at the women who really would not take money or do not get money for sex. What do you have? Nuns, ugly women, Inexperienced and frigid women, lesbians, or women who hate men (a lot of those). Guys who think banging a virgin is the ultimate have never been with one. It is not a good time.

So while the Medellin morons say "we do not pay for it" on a P4P forum, they are not getting quality women. When they say they are getting pussy for less they really are not. When I went to Colombia and thought about paying what they did, I could get women, but the women were pigs. And with the Medellin morons, there is no such thing as an in demand women. No, all women are the same.

Bottom line is you are doing fine. I just do not like it that the Medellin morons are making you feel like a rookie. I think you have it figured out better than most.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2791564]You are correct if your only interest in women is their pussy. [/QUOTE]There is a difference between a cost and a payment. Should I turn down a job because there is a cost I will incur for a car and gas in order to get there? Life costs money, but that does not mean we are paying to live. It costs money to go out and do things with a person that you like, but that does not mean you are paying for the person.

Why do colombianas like tussi so much?

I understand it used to be popular among the "elites" when in was priced much higher.

Is it still popular with the "elites" or are only the hood rats using it?

I personally wouldn't sniff anything up my nose, too much fentanyl going around now a days.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2791564] though only in your 30's, have to lurk around Botero Plaza putting up with the fake moaning and requests of "leche baby. .[/QUOTE]Are girls at botero plaza really requesting "leche" ! Oh my! I'm not a street guy but if a some what attractive street girl randomly asked to give her my leche that would be really intriguing LOL. I would still most likely politely turn down but would be flattering. I get a lot of "psss" like I'm some kind of dog in Tijuana LOL to the point where I just started wearing AirPods when I would walk around the zona. I think I'll go just to experience the request if this is true LOL.

Personally I don't think anyone in their 30's should be picking up street girls unless you are fat or ugly.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2791812]Are girls at botero plaza really requesting "leche"[/QUOTE]He means during sex.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2791812] Personally I don't think anyone in their 30's should be picking up street girls unless you are fat or ugly.[/QUOTE]Why you don't think anyone in their 30's should be fucking hookers (unless fat and ugly)?

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2791830]He means during sex.
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Why you don't think anyone in their 30's should be fucking hookers (unless fat and ugly)?[/QUOTE]Key word "street" hookers. Well there's many reasons why but I guess even if you are fat and ugly you shouldn't if you're in your 30's. Why because those are usually the bottom of the barrel, usually unattractive and more than likely don't care as much about their health. Another reason they tend to attract cheap johns that more than likely don't care about their health either. So unless you are in your 30's or younger and don't care about any of that go ahead and knock yourself out.

I on the other hand have been with many hookers but never any I picked off the street. I rather take less risks and pay more attractive women. That's just my experience. I'm also aware some street girls go to clubs or work fb I'm aware of all that, I'm just going by from what I've personally seen on the street. I'm sure as you age and get older you'll start caring less and less if your dick falls off one day, especially once you start needing to take pills just to get it up. But like I said if you are in your 30's or younger I wouldn't recommend street girls or barebacking any type of hooker. Your health should be more important. The guys who are barebacking hookers tend to usually be older gentlemen who don't care as much about the risks anymore. I guess if they catch something they figured well at least they've lived past 50 LOL.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2791892]Key word "street" hookers. Well there's many reasons why but I guess even if you are fat and ugly you shouldn't if you're in your 30's. Why because those are usually the bottom of the barrel, usually unattractive and more than likely don't care as much about their health. Another reason they tend to attract cheap johns that more than likely don't care about their health either. So unless you are in your 30's or younger and don't care about any of that go ahead and knock yourself out.
[/QUOTE]I suggest you look up the meaning of "non sequitur".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2791703]Yeah, that is right. A father's worst nightmare is an unemployed daughter marrying an unemployed guy for "love."

In every culture I have studied, marriage involves some kind of exchange of money for the woman, and the clowns here forget why. It is because when a woman is pregnant and gives birth, she is often a near invalid and totally dependent on the man. If the man does not provide, the burden shifts back to the woman's family and that makes them unhappy. So a family is going to want a husband who is a provider who keeps the woman safe, secure, and happy. This notion that you "don't pay for sex" is also saying you are shit suitor material.

If you want to short change the above process, and most guys should unless they want to be married, then you pay directly as you suggest.

On the flip side, if you are an in demand woman with hundreds of suitors, you would be a complete idiot not to consider money when picking a mate. A lot of these women may have a fling with some Adonis type just for fun or a one night stand with some cute or funny guy when they are at a point in life where they are not interested in marriage. These guys delude themselves into thinking the women really like them because they did not pay them when they are just a fling. When these women get serious, they are going to evaluate a man as provider.

With the Medellin morons here though, they are fucking women so ugly no one would pay them, and they try to make themselves out as studs because they are "not paying for it." Ironically, many of the women they have seen are former broken down WGs.

Look at the women who really would not take money or do not get money for sex. What do you have? Nuns, ugly women, Inexperienced and frigid women, lesbians, or women who hate men (a lot of those). Guys who think banging a virgin is the ultimate have never been with one. It is not a good time.

So while the Medellin morons say "we do not pay for it" on a P4P forum, they are not getting quality women. When they say they are getting pussy for less they really are not. When I went to Colombia and thought about paying what they did, I could get women, but the women were pigs. And with the Medellin morons, there is no such thing as an in demand women. No, all women are the same.

Bottom line is you are doing fine. I just do not like it that the Medellin morons are making you feel like a rookie. I think you have it figured out better than most.[/QUOTE]Yeah. You might want to check your blood sugar, because even for you this is batshit crazy.

1. Pretty sure there are many worse nightmares for a father.

2. I'm pretty sure Loveithere and almost everyone else has no desire to be a suitor. According to him, his preferred fishing spot is El Centro.

3. Unless you're looking to buy a wife, the "in demand" thing is just garbage. If you're looking for someone to spend the rest of your years with, there's much more to it than "how much am I going to have to give her to overlook my obvious faults. " If you had ever been able to get a woman, instead of buying one you would understand. You see, that fling with the Adonis type, it will happen again and again, because some needs aren't filled with money. Hell, chances are they aren't even anything special, just normal guys who they're not afraid to let get on top of them.

4. According to you, the only ISG member you've met is DramaQueen. How do you know what the girls anyone else is fucking look like? I've met dozens of guys from here, and from the women I've seen them with, or seen pictures of, not a single one comes anywhere close to "so ugly no one would pay them. " Unless you have some special clairvoyant abilities, you have no idea what kind of women anyone else is fucking.

5. Lots of women will not take money for sex. Most women will not take money for sex. Most women aren't even interested in men who would give money for sex. If your statement carried any weight there would easily be 1 million prostitutes in Medellin and 3 million in Bogota. They would all starve for lack of customers.

6. Nobody is saying they don't pay for it. Again, check that blood sugar.

7. Nobody has said all women are the same. The only comment close to that is what I've long said, find what works for you. It doesn't help anyone if they follow your advice, spend several thousand dollars to try to convince an over the hill chick to marry them, when they're just looking for a quick fuck from someone without grey pubes.

8. Nobody is making Loveithere look like a rookie. I made a joke. He didn't get it. I made another joke neither you nor he got it. He likes street hookers. Nothing wrong with that. However, he's doing the exact thing you're complaining about people doing; getting the girls he wants instead of finding an "in demand girl" and becoming a "suitor. ".

Just a little addendum on your previous lunacy.

You've never managed to kick my ass, haven't even made it up to my ankle. Frankly, the possibility of you kicking my ass in any literal or figurative sense is beyond laughable. If you even tried, your fat ass would do the ol' Humpty Dumpty.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2791892]Key word "street" hookers. Well there's many reasons why but I guess even if you are fat and ugly you shouldn't if you're in your 30's. Why because those are usually the bottom of the barrel, usually unattractive and more than likely don't care as much about their health. Another reason they tend to attract cheap johns that more than likely don't care about their health either. So unless you are in your 30's or younger and don't care about any of that go ahead and knock yourself out.

I on the other hand have been with many hookers but never any I picked off the street. [/QUOTE]So in actual fact, you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. At all.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2791892]Key word "street" hookers. Well there's many reasons why but I guess even if you are fat and ugly you shouldn't if you're in your 30's. Why because those are usually the bottom of the barrel, usually unattractive and more than likely don't care as much about their health. [/QUOTE]On the contrary, I would say the exact opposite is the truth. Usually the street chicks insisting on condoms even for oral, while folks mention going raw with how many chicks that they have gotten off facebook or sa? Not sure how you can even make a comparison if you have no experience with one of the categories.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2791703]Yeah, that is right. A father's worst nightmare is an unemployed daughter marrying an unemployed guy for "love."

In every culture I have studied, marriage involves some kind of exchange of money for the woman, and the clowns here forget why. It is because when a woman is pregnant and gives birth, she is often a near invalid and totally dependent on the man. If the man does not provide, the burden shifts back to the woman's family and that makes them unhappy. So a family is going to want a husband who is a provider who keeps the woman safe, secure, and happy. This notion that you "don't pay for sex" is also saying you are shit suitor material.[/QUOTE]This would usually be for a young virgin girl that has no kids, not a 35 year old with a kid that is almost grown themselves. That ship has already sailed. Nobody is making a big deal over a chick that could literally be a grandmother any day now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]
According to you, the only ISG member you've met is DramaQueen. [/QUOTE]I have met Elvis but I am sure he blocked it out since he made such a fool out of himself. I doubt he remembers me but that doesn't stop him from talking about who I fuck, how much I drink, etc. I believe he is a serial bloviator and likely engages in felching.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2792164]I have met Elvis but I am sure he blocked it out since he made such a fool out of himself. I doubt he remembers me but that doesn't stop him from talking about who I fuck, how much I drink, etc. I believe he is a serial bloviator and likely engages in felching.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, you were the guy wearing drag clothes. Sorry, I never met you. Before I had guys saying I had not been to Colombia and now you keep claiming I met you. I never met you and do not know why you keep lying about it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2792154]This would usually be for a young virgin girl that has no kids, not a 35 year old with a kid that is almost grown themselves. That ship has already sailed. Nobody is making a big deal over a chick that could literally be a grandmother any day now.[/QUOTE]Yawn, obviously, you have never been with a virgin.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]
the "in demand" thing is just garbage.[/QUOTE]If you want to know how I know you are fucking ugly women, you post crap like no women are in more demand. Saying 10's and 1's having equal demand is you advertising you fuck ugly women.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]If you had ever been able to get a woman, instead of buying one you would understand.[/QUOTE]LOL. And here you go again bragging about not paying for it while you banged ugly drunk women.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]You see, that fling with the Adonis type, it will happen again and again, because some needs aren't filled with money. Hell, chances are they aren't even anything special, just normal guys who they're not afraid to let get on top of them.[/QUOTE]So Mr. 60 year old truck driver who was hanging around a bar whacking off all day for a year is God's gift to women? And you are banging 10's while doing so? Oh right, there are no 10's in your world. That is too subjective. You fuck ugly drunk women and think you are such the stud.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]How do you know what the girls anyone else is fucking look like? I've met dozens of guys from here, and from the women I've seen them with, or seen pictures of, not a single one comes anywhere close to "so ugly no one would pay them. " Unless you have some special clairvoyant abilities, you have no idea what kind of women anyone else is fucking.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is not like I paid for sex and saw what was available for what cost. Your comment that you have never met any woman who comes "anywhere close to so ugly no one would pay for them" also speaks volumes about the quality of women you are fucking.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]Lots of women will not take money for sex. Most women will not take money for sex. Most women aren't even interested in men who would give money for sex. If your statement carried any weight there would easily be 1 million prostitutes in Medellin and 3 million in Bogota. They would all starve for lack of customers.[/QUOTE]So most women are not interested in money now? God, you are dumb.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109] Nobody is saying they don't pay for it.[/QUOTE]You just said most women do not take money for sex. Then you bragged about banging women without paying. Now it is every guy pays for it here. Can you make up your mind?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]Nobody has said all women are the same.[/QUOTE]You just did when you said there is no such thing as "in demand" women.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]It doesn't help anyone if they follow your advice, spend several thousand dollars to try to convince an over the hill chick to marry them, when they're just looking for a quick fuck from someone without grey pubes.[/QUOTE]As opposed to your advice of driving a truck? Or thinking you are God's gift to women sitting in a bar drinking and watching porn night after night? Or being scammed by some cam girl?

My advice dumb ass was that people NOT follow what I am doing but get themselves a harem. I have said that time and again. I guess YOUR reading comprehension is shit.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]Nobody is making Loveithere look like a rookie.I made a joke. He didn't get it. I made another joke neither you nor he got it.[/QUOTE]Is that your version of what happened? Keep telling yourself that 10 X and maybe you will believe it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]However, he's doing the exact thing you're complaining about people doing[/QUOTE]I said "Bottom line is you are doing fine. I think you have it figured out better than most. " Obviously, your definition of complaining is as bad as your definition of joke. Maybe we should just define any of your posts as a joke and move forward.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]getting the girls he wants instead of finding an "in demand girl" and becoming a "suitor. ".[/QUOTE]Here is what I posted, "If you want to short change the above process, and most guys should unless they want to be married, then you pay directly as you suggest. ".

Your post is so full of straw men it is a miracle it did not catch fire.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792109]You've never managed to kick my ass, haven't even made it up to my ankle.[/QUOTE]With this post, I did not need to. It was so fucking stupid you kicked your own ass. You are just ranting for the sake of ranting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2792154]not a 35 year old with a kid that is almost grown themselves. That ship has already sailed. Nobody is making a big deal over a chick that could literally be a grandmother any day now.[/QUOTE]LOL. [URL]https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/beauty/a12835565/average-age-most-beautiful-woman-38/[/URL].

The average age of the world's most beautiful person is now 38.

Scientists from Boston University School of Medicine compared the 50 celebrities who were listed in People magazine's "World's Most Beautiful" list in 1990 with the 135 featured in the 2017 ranking. While the average age of those named the most beautiful was 33.2 around 27 years ago, it was found to be 38.9 this year.

When you say "nobody", you should say none of you Medellin morons care. That would better reflect what a bunch of morons you all really are. To a Medellin moron, there is no definition of what a 10 is and no such thing as an in demand women. You yourself said any woman with a pussy has demand, but you morons sure as hell as keep pushing this bullshit that younger is always better.

Granted, there are fewer attractive women in their 30's than 20's but for me even before I met my current gal, the women who kept their looks into their 30's and beyond blew away the younger women in terms of sexual performance and overall experience.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2792152]On the contrary, I would say the exact opposite is the truth. Usually the street chicks insisting on condoms even for oral, while folks mention going raw with how many chicks that they have gotten off facebook or sa? Not sure how you can even make a comparison if you have no experience with one of the categories.[/QUOTE]I compare by looking at the type of John's that walk up to the street girls. They almost appear to look homeless, most of the time cheap and nasty looking. That tells you a lot about the kind of girls that would work with these men. I'm not just talking about Colombia, I'm talking about all street John's. John's looking for a cheap fuck most likely have stds and rather risk giving it to street hookers vs a girl they met or a GF. I mean if you had a std or even worse aids I doubt you would be dating right?

Yeah no thanks I'll pass on girls who take risks on the street.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2792120]So in actual fact, you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about. At all.[/QUOTE]Not a single clue.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2792354]Oh yeah, you were the guy wearing drag clothes. Sorry, I never met you. Before I had guys saying I had not been to Colombia and now you keep claiming I met you. I never met you and do not know why you keep lying about it.[/QUOTE]We met in Argentina.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2792448]I compare by looking at the type of John's that walk up to the street girls. They almost appear to look homeless, most of the time cheap and nasty looking. That tells you a lot about the kind of girls that would work with these men. I'm not just talking about Colombia, I'm talking about all street John's. John's looking for a cheap fuck most likely have stds and rather risk giving it to street hookers vs a girl they met or a GF. I mean if you had a std or even worse aids I doubt you would be dating right?

Yeah no thanks I'll pass on girls who take risks on the street.[/QUOTE]What an idiotic thing to post. Your basically being racist or classist.

Like I said, check that blood sugar. Probably should have stopped after the first dozen donuts. And I see your reading comprehension remains at about 2nd grade level.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2792370]If you want to know how I know you are fucking ugly women, you post crap like no women are in more demand. Saying 10's and 1's having equal demand is you advertising you fuck ugly women.[/QUOTE]Nope. Never posted that no women are in demand. Which has nothing to do with the women I've fucked or am currently fucking. However, if just looking for a girl to fuck, why spend weeks or months trying to outbid all the other fat clowns? You can't turn around in Medellin without bumping into a beautiful woman. Who, other than you, is pathetic enough to spend enough to support 10 Colombian families for a year, for an hour of sex? And if you're looking for a girl to marry, and you have to be a huge loser if you can only find one desperate enough in a third world country, what kind of idiot keeps throwing money at someone until she'll finally overcomes her disgust and agrees to be with him?

[QUOTE]LOL. And here you go again bragging about not paying for it while you banged ugly drunk women.[/QUOTE]I understand that you're easily confused. Sure I've gotten sex without paying for it. I still can. Anyone can, except for you. From my teens to early 40's, fucking 18-30 year olds was easy. After that, it remained easy, but they kept getting older. When I hit 50 and that bottom age was approaching 40, I decided I didn't want to plow in those fields. I saw 2 options, either put a lot more time and effort into finding women under 30 who were into guys my age, or rent them. So you're going off of stuff 10 years out of date.

For the record, haven't fucked a drunk woman in at least 15 years. Won't even spend time with a woman who is the least bit tipsy. I also won't hang with any that do any drugs other than an occasional girl who smokes weed, and then only for a quick fuck.

[QUOTE]So Mr. 60 year old truck driver who was hanging around a bar whacking off all day for a year is God's gift to women? And you are banging 10's while doing so? Oh right, there are no 10's in your world. That is too subjective. You fuck ugly drunk women and think you are such the stud.[/QUOTE]That first sentence? First grade English, and that's being generous.

Maybe the bars you hang out in allow guys to whack off, but I don't frequent those kinds of places.

It appears your constant state of confusion is contagious. Are you talking about the current me, the 60 year old truck driver, or the guy who was in Medellin 5-6 years ago? I wasn't 60 then, or driving a truck. And of course since I do consider a subjective scale to be a subjective scale, I never made any claim about any 10's, or about being a stud. Although I have repeatedly pointed out that getting laid isn't hard to do, especially in Medellin.

[QUOTE]Yeah, it is not like I paid for sex and saw what was available for what cost. Your comment that you have never met any woman who comes "anywhere close to so ugly no one would pay for them" also speaks volumes about the quality of women you are fucking.[/QUOTE]There's that damned reading comprehension tripping you up again. I never said that. Not even close. Maybe it's time to dust off all that old "Hooked on Phonics" stuff.

Let's try this again. I've met dozens of ISG members in Medellin. We've talked about various women, comparing notes, asking opinions, sharing pictures. Some of us are friends on Facebook. In more direct terms, I know some of the women they've fucked. Most know some of the women I've fucked. Based upon that knowledge, none are fucking ugly women or fat women.

[QUOTE]So most women are not interested in money now? God, you are dumb.[/QUOTE]That reading comprehension is a real pain in the ass isn't it? It's tripping you up on every fucking sentence.

Nobody said most women aren't interested in money. Certainly I never said it. I said:

"Most women will not take money for sex. Most women aren't even interested in men who would give money for sex. ".

See the difference? Interesting tidbit: one of my ex-girlfriends was an engineer for a company that has a big market share in glucose test strips for fat diabetics. If you want I can see if she can recommend a different glucose monitor for you.

[QUOTE]You just said most women do not take money for sex. Then you bragged about banging women without paying. Now it is every guy pays for it here. Can you make up your mind?[/QUOTE]You should get a lawyer and sue whatever teacher claimed to have taught you to read. They lied out their ass. I'm assuming they just gave you a passing grade so they didn't have to deal with the fat kid getting stuck in his desk every day.

Can I make up my mind about what?

1. Most women won't take money for sex. Simple. Testable.

2. I've had sex with women who didn't require payment. Most guys have.

3. Most guys on ISG say they are paying for sex.

None of these things are contradictory.

[QUOTE]You just did when you said there is no such thing as "in demand" women.[/QUOTE]Now even I'm getting pissed at the teachers who failed to do their jobs with you.

1. As noted above, I never said there's no such thing as in demand women.

2. Even if I did, that in no way would suggest that all women are the same.

[QUOTE]As opposed to your advice of driving a truck? Or thinking you are God's gift to women sitting in a bar drinking and watching porn night after night? Or being scammed by some cam girl?[/QUOTE]I don't recall giving advice on driving a truck. Nobody seems to come on ISG asking for truck driving advice. If they did, I'm probably reasonably well qualified to give it.

I'm really baffled about this "God's gift to women" trip you're on. Where did that come from? Haven't really sat in a bar much in several years either, other than to have a beer with a fellow ISG member. We don't watch porn when we meet and chat. Poor wifi.

Never got scammed by a cam girl either, but we've already been over that 46 times.

[QUOTE]My advice dumb ass was that people NOT follow what I am doing but get themselves a harem. I have said that time and again. I guess YOUR reading comprehension is shit.[/QUOTE]My reading comprehension is fine. The advice to get a harem is equally as useless to a guy who wants nothing more than to fuck once and move on to the next.

[QUOTE]Is that your version of what happened? Keep telling yourself that 10 X and maybe you will believe it.

I said "Bottom line is you are doing fine. I think you have it figured out better than most. " Obviously, your definition of complaining is as bad as your definition of joke. Maybe we should just define any of your posts as a joke and move forward.

Here is what I posted, "If you want to short change the above process, and most guys should unless they want to be married, then you pay directly as you suggest. ".

Your post is so full of straw men it is a miracle it did not catch fire.[/QUOTE]There's really nothing there worth the effort to make fun of.

[QUOTE]With this post, I did not need to. It was so fucking stupid you kicked your own ass. You are just ranting for the sake of ranting.[/QUOTE]I agree. Your post was so fucking stupid, you kicked your own ass.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2792470]We met in Argentina.[/QUOTE]Given that he claims you're lying which I don't think is true, perhaps provide a detailed physical description to jog his memory.

I meant of him not you and beyond him just being a gordo.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2792707]I meant of him not you and beyond him just being a gordo.[/QUOTE]Dude it was a LOT of years ago. Taller than me, younger than me is all I got except fat. White. Now it's possible I am wrong if there is more than one Elvis who posts. There was another Elvis on the Argentina board but his name was actually Elvis and he was from Ecuador.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]
Nope. Never posted that no women are in demand. Which has nothing to do with the women I've fucked or am currently fucking. However, if just looking for a girl to fuck, why spend weeks or months trying to outbid all the other fat clowns? You can't turn around in Medellin without bumping into a beautiful woman. Who, other than you, is pathetic enough to spend enough to support 10 Colombian families for a year, for an hour of sex? And if you're looking for a girl to marry, and you have to be a huge loser if you can only find one desperate enough in a third world country, what kind of idiot keeps throwing money at someone until she'll finally overcomes her disgust and agrees to be with him?[/QUOTE]I am sure that is what you believe. Truth is I went out with a 10 right before having an epic trip with three SBs. I saw her for six months and paid her nothing for sex just expenses. She ran out of Covid pay, and I volunteered to pay her wages so I could see her more. We have been together for 2 years solid now, and I have not seen any woman posted on these forums who can top her.

On the other hand, you got all lovey-dovey with a sugar baby, mistook her for a GF, paid for everything, and either got bored or got dumped. And in your fucked up head, you consider that winning. Is Charlie Sheen your brother?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]Sure I've gotten sex without paying for it. I still can. Anyone can, except for you.[/QUOTE]And now you are lying again. I went on seeking, advocated that guys go on the site, and not offer women money and got crap for saying that was not realistic. On at least four occasions, and even with the current woman, I was not asked for money.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]From my teens to early 40's, fucking 18-30 year olds was easy. After that, it remained easy, but they kept getting older. When I hit 50 and that bottom age was approaching 40, I decided I didn't want to plow in those fields. I saw 2 options, either put a lot more time and effort into finding women under 30 who were into guys my age, or rent them.[/QUOTE]Who cares what you did when you were 40? What does it cost to get laid on the low end in Colombia? $5? $10? What is the fucking difference? You think you are a stud because you can get laid and not pay $10? Big fucking deal. Truth is you were dumb not to pay for it at 40.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]For the record, haven't fucked a drunk woman in at least 15 years. Won't even spend time with a woman who is the least bit tipsy. I also won't hang with any that do any drugs other than an occasional girl who smokes weed, and then only for a quick fuck.[/QUOTE]So you have standards for hookers? I care if they look good and fuck good when I pay for them. I guess you are too busy doing drug screens on them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]Maybe the bars you hang out in allow guys to whack off, but I don't frequent those kinds of places. [/QUOTE]I don't hang out in bars. You bragged about watching web cams, getting in debt, and hanging in bars for a whole year. And now the bars are classy? Wow, you really got me there.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]It appears your constant state of confusion is contagious. Are you talking about the current me, the 60 year old truck driver, or the guy who was in Medellin 5-6 years ago? I wasn't 60 then, or driving a truck.[/QUOTE]And here I thought you were 60 now and 60 twenty years ago. You got me there too.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]II never made any claim about any 10's[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know. That is why you fuck ugly women, and you are jealous because I do not.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526] I have never made a claim about being a stud.[/QUOTE]LOL. The only thing you have not done yet is post a photo of your dick.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]Let's try this again. I've met dozens of ISG members in Medellin. We've talked about various women, comparing notes, asking opinions, sharing pictures. Some of us are friends on Facebook. In more direct terms, I know some of the women they've fucked. Most know some of the women I've fucked. Based upon that knowledge, none are fucking ugly women or fat women.[/QUOTE]You were bellyaching that La Isla had a few women who met your standards but now all the photos of women you have seen were hot women. I have a Facebook account and looked at the women there. Three are some gems there but there are tons of dogs.

So you are not going to rate them 1 to 10, that is subjective. But your saying they are not ugly is fact? Yeesh. You rate them on a 0 to 1 scale. 0 is ugly. 1 is not, and 100% of the women are 1's. Wow. Your rating system is pure genius, not.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]Nobody said most women aren't interested in money. Certainly I never said it. I said:

"Most women will not take money for sex. Most women aren't even interested in men who would give money for sex. "..[/QUOTE]Oh I see. I must have missed that. Most women are interested in men's money, but they are not exchanging it for sex. So men just throw money at women with no expectations of anything? What color is the sky in your world?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]The advice to get a harem is equally as useless to a guy who wants nothing more than to fuck once and move on to the next.[/QUOTE]That advice is for guys who are tired of fucking the WGs and the typically bad sex that entails. It is rare for a WG to have mind blowing sex with a guy. It happens but not often. The advice is to counter the long term oneitis that is so prevalent in our culture. It is so guys do not get so hung up on one girl like your sorry ass did.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2792526]Your post was so fucking stupid, you kicked your own ass.[/QUOTE]LOL. All you do if fucking lie and say stupid shit. You were not 60 five years ago? Most women are interested in money and men pay them without expecting sex? 0-1 ratings scale where every woman you have ever met is a 1? Your thinking my relationship is a failure but you know what you are doing? Saving $10 when you get laid? What you were doing at 40?

Truth is you were dumb not to pay for it at 40.

Stupid would be an improvement over this post. It was lame and predictable. I am just waiting for you to post a dick pic and brag about how big your cock is and how the women love it so.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2793024] It is rare for a WG to have mind blowing sex with a guy. It happens but not often. [/QUOTE]Ha ha. Mind blowing sex with a WG is rare for [B]you[/B]. Maybe you need some anatomy lessons.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2792496]What an idiotic thing to post. Your basically being racist or classist.[/QUOTE]Call it what you want, if you're offended by what I said you obviously fall in that category of John. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2793181]Ha ha. Mind blowing sex with a WG is rare for [B]you[/B]. Maybe you need some anatomy lessons.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Had a chick suck me off in the ante room of a hoarhouse the other day in front of everybody. She insisted on giving me a sample of her mouth.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2755478]Uribe is a politician, and a conservative one at that. Nothing brings out the base like a law and order campaign. They do the same in the US and all over the world. Right now the right has a hard on for Chicago and Philadelphia.[/QUOTE]As they should, I live in Chicago and it is a war zone. The Democrats don't know how to run a city.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2793457]Call it what you want, if you're offended by what I said you obviously fall in that category of John. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]You damn right I'm a centro street rat to the fucking core. And I wasn't offended by your post, I just find it to be idiotic and I'll advised to make assumptions that street girls are more likely to have Stds than girls from other sources (Facebook, SA, Tinder, whatever you use). The fact of the matter is a high paid SA girl is just as likely to have an Std as a working girl in Botero. You don't know who's usi g condoms and who isn't and with whom. To assume your girl is cleaner because you met her on SA and you paid her 10 x more than you should have, I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken. Odds are your SA girl is probably more likely to have an STD than a street girl because all her clients are dudes who can afford the SA membership fees and obviously have alot more plata to dish out than your average colombian dude seeing a street girl.

That is all, carry-on.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2793457]Call it what you want, if you're offended by what I said you obviously fall in that category of John. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Add me to the list of people who are not offended by you but think you have no clue whatsoever. You probably won't get robbed and killed since you're latino and fluent but your entire concept of how things work between older mongers and younger hookers and just how things work in Colombia are highly flawed. That's not surprising based on your one single visit. Work on the racism, ageism, and classism thing and work on being less obnoxious. Then you might live long enough to be one of those old mongers you disrespect so often, and might find a woman who is not a gold digger. Odds of you doing that are fairly low, but you don't seem extremely stupid so there could be hope.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2794262]Add me to the list of people who are not offended by you but think you have no clue whatsoever. You probably won't get robbed and killed since you're latino and fluent [/QUOTE]Except that fluent Latinos are getting robbed and killed everyday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2794719]Except that fluent Latinos are getting robbed and killed everyday.[/QUOTE]Of course, but you and I both know that the palefaced monoglot is a lot more vulnerable in the mongering arena than the fluent Latino. And, you also knew that was exactly what I meant.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2794918]Of course, but you and I both know that the palefaced monoglot is a lot more vulnerable in the mongering arena than the fluent Latino. And, you also knew that was exactly what I meant.[/QUOTE]It happens to "blanquitos como yo" all the time. Fortunately, if you have common sense (or call it street smarts) you improve your chances exponentially.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2794262]You probably won't get robbed and killed since you're latino and fluent [/QUOTE]I most likely won't get killed and robbed because I have a little something called common sense.

I also don't venture into sketchy parts of town like el centro because I'm not a cheapskate or a pedophile.

Like the old saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Being aware of this automatically makes me smarter than you.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795499]
Being aware of this automatically makes me smarter than you.[/QUOTE]Nobody has really agreed with any of your posts. But myself and others have mentioned repeatedly about your stupidity which you seem to have forgotten about. So you are less than bright and have a memory issue to attend to.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2795510]Nobody has really agreed with any of your posts. But myself and others have mentioned repeatedly about your stupidity which you seem to have forgotten about. So you are less than bright and have a memory issue to attend to.[/QUOTE]Do you really think I post in "stupid shit in medellin" for others to agree with me? In fact I expect most not to agree with me and don't care if I offend anyone because unlike most people on here I'm not afraid to voice my opinion.

My point was that the simple fact that I don't explore "shady parts of town like" el centro, automatically makes me wiser than people who do. Again that's just my take on it. So if you don't agree with that, well you know what to do.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795499]
I also don't venture into sketchy parts of town like el centro because I'm not a cheapskate or a pedophile.
[/QUOTE]Not sure which part of town you stay in when your here, but name me the week when there was not a mugging or robbery in Poblado or Laureles?

Also name me the paedophile that was targetted to commit a crime against.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795499]I most likely won't get killed and robbed because I have a little something called common sense.

I also don't venture into sketchy parts of town like el centro because I'm not a cheapskate or a pedophile.

Like the old saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Being aware of this automatically makes me smarter than you.[/QUOTE]My first time in Medellin I asked a taxi to give me a tour of el centro red light area at night. It's a dump. I don't care if you speak Spanish or look Latino. I'm not broke or desperate enough to party and walk around there. If you're living on 1 k social security a month, then maybe. Other than that, no way.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795592]Do you really think I post in "stupid shit in medellin" for others to agree with me? In fact I expect most not to agree with me and don't care if I offend anyone because unlike most people on here I'm not afraid to voice my opinion.

My point was that the simple fact that I don't explore "shady parts of town like" el centro, automatically makes me wiser than people who do. Again that's just my take on it. So if you don't agree with that, well you know what to do.[/QUOTE]You are truly amazing, and greatly admired.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2793860]You damn right I'm a centro street rat to the fucking core. And I wasn't offended by your post, I just find it to be idiotic and I'll advised to make assumptions that street girls are more likely to have Stds than girls from other sources (Facebook, SA, Tinder, whatever you use). The fact of the matter is a high paid SA girl is just as likely to have an Std as a working girl in Botero. You don't know who's usi g condoms and who isn't and with whom. To assume your girl is cleaner because you met her on SA and you paid her 10 x more than you should have, I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken. Odds are your SA girl is probably more likely to have an STD than a street girl because all her clients are dudes who can afford the SA membership fees and obviously have alot more plata to dish out than your average colombian dude seeing a street girl.

That is all, carry-on.[/QUOTE]What a stupid post. Street WGs are at the bottom of a puta hierarchy. Bottom feeders, the most desperate putas out there, who will do anything for money or extra tip. Most of them are on drugs or have other health issues. Doing multiple guys every freaking day, oftentimes without a condom, increases the odds of STD significantly. Cheap rates make SW girls fuck more guys per day to make ends meet vs a Seeking girl who might only have one, or very few, sugar daddies, or who would fuck gringos part time, because of other commitments, like a regular job, college, family, etc. High end girls tend to charge more, fuck less, and have the means to take care of their health, and their clientele is also much more upscale and clean vs an average local guy who doesn't give a fuck about his own health. All the wealthy guys that I know are very picky about whom they bareback, do STD checkups regularly and have an urologist on a speed dial.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795779]What a stupid post. Street WGs are at the bottom of a puta hierarchy. Bottom feeders, the most desperate putas out there, who will do anything for money or extra tip. Most of them are on drugs or have other health issues. Doing multiple guys every freaking day, oftentimes without a condom, increases the odds of STD significantly. Cheap rates make SW girls fuck more guys per day to make ends meet vs a Seeking girl who might only have one, or very few, sugar daddies, or who would fuck gringos part time, because of other commitments, like a regular job, college, family, etc. High end girls tend to charge more, fuck less, and have the means to take care of their health, and their clientele is also much more upscale and clean vs an average local guy who doesn't give a fuck about his own health. All the wealthy guys that I know are very picky about whom they bareback, do STD checkups regularly and have an urologist on a speed dial.[/QUOTE]Wealthy guys must be fucking weird.

I've spent a lot of time with a lot of guys. Not once has one of them mentioned how frequently they get tested for STDs, their criteria for barebacking girls or anything to do with their urologist. And who's using a speed dial these days? Or needs a urologist so often they would put him on one?

If those guys are having urinary tract infections so often they call their urologist more often than they call their children, it seems like the highest risk girls are the ones they're fucking.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795779]What a stupid post. Street WGs are at the bottom of a puta hierarchy. Bottom feeders, the most desperate putas out there, ... vs a Seeking girl who might only have one, or very few, e a regular job, college, family, etc. High end girls tend to charge more, fuck less, and have the means to take care of their health, and their clientele is also much more upscale and clean vs an average local guy who doesn't give a fuck about his own health..[/QUOTE]Anthony, meet MB. U2 have lots in common.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2795742]Not sure which part of town you stay in when your here, but name me the week when there was not a mugging or robbery in Poblado or Laureles?

Also name me the paedophile that was targetted to commit a crime against.[/QUOTE]Don't act stupid. You know exactly what I mean.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2795836]Anthony, meet MB. U2 have lots in common.[/QUOTE]There are others who have lots in common, they just don't comment because they don't want to be targeted by all the haters and keyboard warriors in this forum.

Like mb, I don't care what others think.

This particular forum is full of haters, what are you going to do LOL, haters are going to hate.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795779]What a stupid post. Street WGs are at the bottom of a puta hierarchy[/QUOTE]Agreed, it was such a stupid post I didn't even bother replying back to that LOL. But yeah a lot of these dudes are lost, it's a waste of time trying to explain anything to them.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2795745]My first time in Medellin I asked a taxi to give me a tour of el centro red light area at night. It's a dump. I don't care if you speak Spanish or look Latino. I'm not broke or desperate enough to party and walk around there. If you're living on 1 k social security a month, then maybe. Other than that, no way.[/QUOTE]Haha, taxi driver was probably like do you want us to get robbed? LOL.

It speaks volumes about the type of a person they have to be to go there.

All these fucking paisa chicks saying how Sushi is their favorite food, and then you take them and they don't even know how to fucking use chopsticks!

Just be honest *****, you only pick it cause it's the most expensive (for you) thing you know.

Fucking amatuer, ahh fuck.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795869]Haha, taxi driver was probably like do you want us to get robbed? LOL.

It speaks volumes about the type of a person they have to be to go there.[/QUOTE]It speaks much more when a person makes judgements about things they know nothing about.

There was a guy who used to hit me up to go to El Centro casas and strip clubs. He was about 40, married, ex-pat living in one of the best parts of Poblado. Bought a 3 level penthouse, around 6,000 sq. Ft. Nice wife, who let him go scratch his itch every now and then. Lost touch with him when they sold the place and moved on. A mutual friend told me it went for $5 million USD.

Another guy, also ex-pat, in his 50's, living in Laureles, liked to visit the El Centro strip clubs. Normally hung out in Poblado, cultured, sophisticated, not hurting for money. Not some low life, or scum, or pedophile.

All types of persons go there, for all types of reasons. Until you get to know El Centro (whether or not you do any mongering there), you've never really been to Medellin. You're just a lost gringo pretending to visit Colombia while hiding in Poblado.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2795883]All these fucking paisa chicks saying how Sushi is their favorite food, and then you take them and they don't even know how to fucking use chopsticks![/QUOTE]LOL. Why do chopsticks need to be used? Why can"t they use a spoon, fork, or those gloves they eat chicken and barbecue with?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2795779]What a stupid post. Street WGs are at the bottom of a puta hierarchy. Bottom feeders, the most desperate putas out there, who will do anything for money or extra tip. Most of them are on drugs or have other health issues. Doing multiple guys every freaking day, oftentimes without a condom, increases the odds of STD significantly. Cheap rates make SW girls fuck more guys per day to make ends meet vs a Seeking girl who might only have one, or very few, sugar daddies, or who would fuck gringos part time, because of other commitments, like a regular job, college, family, etc. High end girls tend to charge more, fuck less, and have the means to take care of their health, and their clientele is also much more upscale and clean vs an average local guy who doesn't give a fuck about his own health. All the wealthy guys that I know are very picky about whom they bareback, do STD checkups regularly and have an urologist on a speed dial.[/QUOTE]Your post is the one that is stupid. It doesn't matter I'd it's a high end seeking girl or if it's a street girl, they are both fucking for money. Like I said high paying gringos have more money to offer and more likely to pay for BBFS than an average local fucking a street girl for 30 k - 40 k. Even if they see more clients they are less likely to bareback vs a seeking girl. But keep living in your fantasy world thinking you are safer because you are paying more.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2795834]Wealthy guys must be fucking weird.

I've spent a lot of time with a lot of guys. Not once has one of them mentioned how frequently they get tested for STDs, their criteria for barebacking girls or anything to do with their urologist. And who's using a speed dial these days? Or needs a urologist so often they would put him on one?

If those guys are having urinary tract infections so often they call their urologist more often than they call their children, it seems like the highest risk girls are the ones they're fucking.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I read all the time about dudes posting on here they always get BBFS from seeking or facebook girls. It carries the same risk weather it be a SA girl, FB girl, or a street girl. Anthony and MB are fucking delusional idiots.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2795883]All these fucking paisa chicks saying how Sushi is their favorite food, and then you take them and they don't even know how to fucking use chopsticks!

Just be honest *****, you only pick it cause it's the most expensive (for you) thing you know.

[/QUOTE]The more it costs the better it is. Where have I heard that kind of thinking before? . Oh I know! From some of the members on this board.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2795883]All these fucking paisa chicks saying how Sushi is their favorite food, and then you take them and they don't even know how to fucking use chopsticks!
[/QUOTE]There is an expression from Thailand. You can take the girl out of Pattaya, but you can't take Pattaya out of the girl.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795853]Don't act stupid. You know exactly what I mean.[/QUOTE]Don't worry Anthony, yes I do know exactly what you meant unfortunately - > you were talking shlt again.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795860]There are others who have lots in common..[/QUOTE]Yes they do, but perhaps not as striking as what u2 have in common. You seem to be the 2 most self-opinionated yet conversely ignorant contributors currently here.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2795883]All these fucking paisa chicks saying how Sushi is their favorite food, and then you take them and they don't even know how to fucking use chopsticks!

Just be honest *****, you only pick it cause it's the most expensive (for you) thing you know.

Fucking amatuer, ahh fuck.[/QUOTE]I think not knowing how to use chopsticks is understandable. I don't use it sometimes. The weirder thing for me is they like sushi but some don't eat raw meat.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2796008]Yes they do, but perhaps not as striking as what u2 have in common. You seem to be the 2 most self-opinionated yet conversely ignorant contributors currently here.[/QUOTE]The 2 most arrogant contributors as well.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796015]I think not knowing how to use chopsticks is understandable. I don't use it sometimes. The weirder thing for me is they like sushi but they don't eat raw meat.[/QUOTE]I've seen that a few times in the US. People who say they love sushi, but won't try anything with raw fish.

I've watched a few girls try to use chopsticks in Medellin. They had a lot of trouble, but had some fun with it. My girlfriend is slowly learning. Introduced her to a big spread of sushi and sashimi. To her credit she tried everything. She said she liked the taste, but the texture was weird.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2795866]Agreed, it was such a stupid post I didn't even bother replying back to that LOL. But yeah a lot of these dudes are lost, it's a waste of time trying to explain anything to them.[/QUOTE]I will explain why people think you say idiotic and stupid things. You like things handed to you without your own effort. You asked the questions that have obvious answer or ask them in the wrong place. This post is one of the better one among the other.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786462]Tell me more about these termas, I'm thinking about a Brazil trip in the near future. I.

When I see the word terma I think a club, kind of dark inside, or like a sauna with plenty of thick big butt Brazilians who love anal. Is that accurate or I'm I way off?[/QUOTE]You talk about things you don't know and you are very proud of it. El Centro is a good example. I don't put TJB in your category because he clearly stated a context which is meaningful.

You are not in the same league as MB1. He only aligns with you because he has the same opinion on one topic with you. I would be surprised that he think highly of you. You are being talked like a kid, do you see that?

You like to do these preemptive strikes, mostly telling people their feeling are hurt before they even feel it. LOL. These guys are battle tested. Unlike you, it's in their comfort zone and you can't see that?

Most pedophiles I have heard of are actually in your camp. I know about them because I dated their chicks or their expired chicks. I wrote about it occasionally. I don't write them that much because some detail could be easily identified simply because they are wealthy and are doing things not many could do. I know you have another purpose. You are calling older members dating adult younger chicks in el centro pedophiles. That shows you true color when you were insinuating about this topic before.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796024] You are being talked like a kid, do you see that?

You are calling older members dating adult younger chicks in el centro pedophiles. [/QUOTE]I doubt he could even (correctly) define what paedophile means. He seems confused with what one is and with others that like young women.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796015]I think not knowing how to use chopsticks is understandable. I don't use it sometimes. The weirder thing for me is they like sushi but some don't eat raw meat.[/QUOTE]Yeah they just eat a deep fried whatever the fuck roll and drown it in teykaki sayce.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2795938]Your post is the one that is stupid. It doesn't matter I'd it's a high end seeking girl or if it's a street girl, they are both fucking for money. Like I said high paying gringos have more money to offer and more likely to pay for BBFS than an average local fucking a street girl for 30 k - 40 k. Even if they see more clients they are less likely to bareback vs a seeking girl. But keep living in your fantasy world thinking you are safer because you are paying more.[/QUOTE]The difference is that a street girl would do it for a few extra bucks because she is desperate and doesn't care, while a seeking girl would want to see your STD test results, or would want to build more trust, become your regular or exclusive, before going raw. Normally seeking girls do not upcharge for extras, they are all inclusive. You must be an idiot if you bareback street girls, good luck with that. Hope your dick falls off before you know it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2795834]

I've spent a lot of time with a lot of guys. [/QUOTE]You better spend a lot of time with a lot of women, maybe you'll learn something about them.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796125]You better spend a lot of time with a lot of women, maybe you'll learn something about them.[/QUOTE]Apparently, I already know something, at least enough that I don't need to have a Urologist on speed dial.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796120]The difference is that a street girl would do it for a few extra bucks because she is desperate and doesn't care, while a seeking girl would want to see your STD test results, [/QUOTE]LOL. Do they also want to see my covid card or all those covid test results I had to make myself when they were required to travel? No. Those hoes only want to see the money. The only reports I can remember of some guy showing a chick test results, it was his idea, not hers. The majority of guys report going with the flow and they are raw dogging those sa and fb chicks without a second thought.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2795935]Why do chopsticks need to be used? Why can"t they use a spoon, fork[/QUOTE]Can tell you have lived in Asia. .

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796120] a seeking girl would want to see your STD test results, or would want to build more trust, become your regular or exclusive, before going raw.[/QUOTE]Even if we assume your correct here, don't you see that a Seeking girl has likely countless guys that she is building trust with all the time, so she can go out on dates every night and make big bucks? Even if you visit her for 1 week every year, she needs ro have 50+ raw guys to keep busy.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2796238]Even if we assume your correct here, don't you see that a Seeking girl has likely countless guys that she is building trust with all the time, so she can go out on dates every night and make big bucks? Even if you visit her for 1 week every year, she needs ro have 50+ raw guys to keep busy.[/QUOTE]Well it is on you, as a monger, to determine if she is a hardcore puta or a semi-pro who does this part-time with very few guys or a non-pro who is new to this and just wanted to give it a try. Seeking has all kinds of girls, and some of them are pros. Learn how to weed them out and you will be seeing girls with much lower milage. Some girls are simply not interested in seeing someone who is in town for a few days, they focus on wealthy local, expats or guys who travel down there multiple times a year for extended periods of time. Just because a girl is on Seeking doesn't automatically mean she is not a pro / high milage girl, you have to do your homework to find the right ones.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2795906]It speaks much more when a person makes judgements. Until you get to know El Centro (whether or not you do any mongering there), you've never really been to Medellin. You're just a lost gringo pretending to visit Colombia while hiding in Poblado.[/QUOTE]See Mon. Jbee, let's not pretend like we don't know the kind of mongers el centro attracts and the type of activities they can find there. Nobody has to physically go there to know what's really happening there.

But anyways, how was your experience in guatape? Did you reach the top of the rock? I heard Elvis fat ass ran out of breath trying to scale that thing.

Also how is the whole bubble sky glamping thing? I'm going to try it out next month instead of just "hiding" in poblado.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796262]Well it is on you, as a monger, to determine if she is a hardcore puta or a semi-pro who does this part-time with very few guys or a non-pro who is new to this and just wanted to give it a try. Seeking has all kinds of girls, and some of them are pros. Learn how to weed them out and you will be seeing girls with much lower milage. .... Just because a girl is on Seeking doesn't automatically mean she is not a pro / high milage girl, you have to do your homework to find the right ones.[/QUOTE]The same thing can be said about El Centro so why the argument? If you read what LIH69 said, he looked for semi-pro.

If it's like you said, all girls in centro are ugly, how can they be high mileage? Usually the higher mileage ones are the hot ones unless they are taken out of the market like Elvis did.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796120]The difference is that a street girl would do it for a few extra bucks because she is desperate and doesn't care, while a seeking girl would want to see your STD test results, or would want to build more trust, become your regular or exclusive, before going raw. Normally seeking girls do not upcharge for extras, they are all inclusive. You must be an idiot if you bareback street girls, good luck with that. Hope your dick falls off before you know it.[/QUOTE]Not sure why what I choose to do concerns you, but if you must know, my dick hasn't fallen off yet and I keep it clean with Azythromycin and Valacyclovir.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796329]If it's like you said, all girls in centro are ugly, how can they be high mileage? Usually the higher mileage ones are the hot ones unless they are taken out of the market like Elvis did.[/QUOTE]Because they assume a prettier chick is going to charge more and do less people, but an ugly chick is going to have to charge less and find more customers. The reality is that you only know what goes down when it is your turn. You do not know where she came from before she came to you or where she is going after you leaves you. They assume the girl wants to stop and go home after getting 200,000 from 1 customer.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796329]unless they are taken out of the market like Elvis [b]thinks[/b] he did.[/QUOTE]Fixed that for you!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796262]to determine if she is a hardcore puta or a semi-pro who does this part-time .... Learn how to weed them out and you will be seeing girls with much lower milage.[/QUOTE]Weed them out? Those are the ones that I want to choose! Why would I want to choose a low-mileage girl? Makes no sense to me.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2796344]Fixed that for you![/QUOTE]Hehe. Very cruel.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2796371]Weed them out? Those are the ones that I want to choose! Why would I want to choose a low-mileage girl? Makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]Exactly, those are the ones that give bad service. I like the ones that know what they are doing and do it well. Obviously MB doesn't know much about what he is talking about; he over pays for inexperienced chicas and bad service and gets on here to talk shit about us centro street rats who actually know what we are doing and know what we should be paying.

Just the other day I saw 2 cute vennies near hotel calle real and I asked if they were working and they responded "solo trabajamos en el poblado why cobramos cien dolares" I laughed and walked off but I couldn't help but think that idiots like Anthony, MB1, and the other poblado boys are the ones causing these girls to think that they can charge obscene amounts of money.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2796280]See Mon. Jbee, let's not pretend like we don't know the kind of mongers el centro attracts and the type of activities they can find there. Nobody has to physically go there to know what's really happening there.[/QUOTE]But "we" don't know, because only 1 of us has been there and seen what kind of mongers go there. Only 1 of us has seen what kind of girls can be found there. The other half of "we" knows that the same types of activities go on all over Medellin.

El Centro is the heart of Medellin. It's the original city center. Poblado is just the newest suburb. The least one could do is go to Laureles, the original suburb.

Until you physically go there enough times to get over your fear, you'll never know what's happening there.

[QUOTE]But anyways, how was your experience in guatape? Did you reach the top of the rock? I heard Elvis fat ass ran out of breath trying to scale that thing.[/QUOTE]I didn't climb El Penol. My experience there was good until the storm rolled in while we were in the middle of the lake. Hail is no fun, especially when you're doing 25 knots across a lake and there's nothing to block it. After we got back to shore nobody felt like climbing a metal staircase in a thunderstorm.

[QUOTE]Also how is the whole bubble sky glamping thing? I'm going to try it out next month instead of just "hiding" in poblado.[/QUOTE]I've some friends who did glamping around Guatape, although I don't know which place they used. Try CerroTusaSprings, you can find them on Instagram. It's not at Guatape, but a nice area. You'll probably want to rent a car for the trip, or at least a moto.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796335]Not sure why what I choose to do concerns you, but if you must know, my dick hasn't fallen off yet and I keep it clean with Azythromycin and Valacyclovir.[/QUOTE]Right, because routine use of powerful antibiotics is such a good idea.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796120]The difference is that a street girl would do it for a few extra bucks because she is desperate and doesn't care, while a seeking girl would want to see your STD test results, or would want to build more trust, become your regular or exclusive, before going raw. Normally seeking girls do not upcharge for extras, they are all inclusive. You must be an idiot if you bareback street girls, good luck with that. Hope your dick falls off before you know it.[/QUOTE]The difference is, every time you start making shit up, you end up looking foolish. Granted, you start out looking foolish, so it's just a subtle change.

A street girl might go bareback for a few bucks, but 95% of her customers are poor Colombians who don't have a few extra bucks to spend. Plus, many have a wife or girlfriend back home and bringing home a STD tends to upset the domestic tranquility.

A Seeking girl wants to see your STD test results? Yeah. Right. Only time that's going to happen is with a hardcore pro, who barebacks everyone for a fee (because the guys on Seeking have the money to spend).

Or she wants to build more trust, or become your regular before barebacking? Trust? Becoming a regular? Same story. Chances are she has more than 1 regular, and they're all fucking other girls. That's not counting the Colombian gang bangers they're buying drugs for with your money. Your risk of exposure is roughly the same as the guy being picky with street girls. And apparently he's much better at picking girls, because he doesn't need to have a Urologist on speed dial.

Then there's the other issue. Maybe your Urologist can explain how the human reproduction system works. Chances are neither the street girl nor the Seeking girl are on birth control. Now the street girl, if she gets pregnant, she's stuck. Another kid is something to worry about, something she can't afford. She has incentive to not get knocked up by a random customer.

But little miss innocent from Seeking, she's a different story. She's got a name, a phone number and an address where her trusted regular stayed. A surprise kid is just icing on the cake. It might get her a green card, a husband to fleece and then a whole new life. At the very least, it's an almost guaranteed source of income, for years to come.

Personally, I don't bareback hookers. Did it twice. The first time the girl insisted (after the fact) that I pay for the Plan be. The second time ended with me on antibiotics. Neither was a street girl, neither charged extra for bareback, or even discussed it. Neither asked for recent STD tests, trust or for me to become a regular.

From my own experience, bareback has been a free option with about half of the Facebook girls and maybe 20% will go straight to bareback without saying anything, unless I stop them and pull out the condom. It's never been offered in the El Centro casas or strip clubs and the goto move for the girls has always been to reach for the condom.

Of course it's really not fair to base things on experience, instead of just making shit up.

By the way, why exactly do you meet wealthy guys to talk about their penises?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2796329]The same thing can be said about El Centro so why the argument? If you read what LIH69 said, he looked for semi-pro.

If it's like you said, all girls in centro are ugly, how can they be high mileage? Usually the higher mileage ones are the hot ones unless they are taken out of the market like Elvis did.[/QUOTE]A girl who is working the streets is a pro by default or, if she is new to this, will become a pro in no time. Semi pros. Those who have a regular job or study, would be embarrassed / scared to work the streets. I already said this, SW girls are bottom feeders. Heck, some of them don't even have cell phones or computers to work Seeking, Tinder, etc or are just too dumb to do so.

Ugly girls are cheap. Cheap girls = high mileage, because an average local client is broke as fuck. Cheap rates make them fuck more guys to make ends meet. Nounce, do you even read my posts? Why am I repeating myself?

A high end girl in Dubai who charges a few thousand $ per date is a low mileage girl. She doesn't need to fuck 10 guys per day. Simple as that. Yes, there are rich guys in Dubai, but it's not like there is a line of clients waiting to fuck her and willing to pay her rate.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2796344]Fixed that for you![/QUOTE]Yeah, but at her age, she wasn't too far from being tossed into the dumpster behind the market.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2796371]Weed them out? Those are the ones that I want to choose! Why would I want to choose a low-mileage girl? Makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to use a condom if you don't want your dick to fall off. BTW, when you kiss or god forbid, DATY a high mileage SW, do you taste someone else's cum in her mouth or pussy? If you do, that probably was Gabacho's or JJbee's.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2796339]Because they assume a prettier chick is going to charge more and do less people, but an ugly chick is going to have to charge less and find more customers. The reality is that you only know what goes down when it is your turn. You do not know where she came from before she came to you or where she is going after you leaves you. They assume the girl wants to stop and go home after getting 200,000 from 1 customer.[/QUOTE]Most of the times, I know exactly where my chicks are coming from and where they go after. I know where they live, where they work, and what they do outside of work, at least when I'm in town.

If I occasionally happen to fuck a pro, I know what's up, I know my risks and I don't care what she does after I kick her out or what she did prior to coming over to my place, I'm not a newbie and definitely not naive.

Nounce clean your box out.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796447]Don't forget to use a condom if you don't want your dick to fall off. BTW, when you kiss or god forbid, DATY a high mileage SW, do you taste someone else's cum in her mouth or pussy? If you do, that probably was Gabacho's or JJbee's.[/QUOTE]First you get together with wealthy guys to discuss their penises and now you're fantasizing about the taste of my semen? Who is it who needs to spend time around women?

I'm wondering if your stupidity is by choice, or if it's a congenital defect.

Gabacho has stated that he prefers El Centro street girls. I've stated repeatedly that I've never done an El Centro street girl and it's highly unlikely I ever will, especially with the current girlfriend situation. How stupid do you have to be to imagine we're somehow fucking the same girls?

And how strong is that submissive, homosexual urge, if whenever someone belittles you, you immediately start imagining the taste of their cum?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2796422] The least one could do is go to Laureles, the original suburb.

Until you physically go there enough times to get over your fear, you'll never know what's happening there.

I didn't climb El Penol.

I've some friends who did glamping around Guatape, although I don't know which place they used. Try CerroTusaSprings, you can find them on Instagram. It's not at Guatape, but a nice area. You'll probably want to rent a car for the trip, or at least a moto.[/QUOTE]I walked alone thru the streets of Laureles on my last visit during the day and past midnight. Also saw Comuna 13. I don't fear going to dangerous places. I grew up in that environment. So don't think of me of some kind of pussy LOL. There's a difference between having fear and being stupid. Plus like I've mentioned before I doubt I will find my type in el centro so there's no reason to go there.

The one me and my lady friend are staying at is called bubble sky glamping it's not far from la piedra. And here I thought jjbe has done it all, that's why I thought I'd ask you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796447]Don't forget to use a condom if you don't want your dick to fall off. BTW, when you kiss or god forbid, DATY a high mileage SW, do you taste someone else's cum in her mouth or pussy? If you do, that probably was Gabacho's or JJbee's.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure some of these weird dudes would enjoy it, as much as they like to defend each other on here haha.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796394]Exactly, those are the ones that give bad service. I like the ones that know what they are doing and do it well. Obviously MB doesn't know much about what he is talking about; he over pays for inexperienced chicas and bad service and gets on here to talk shit about us centro street rats who actually know what we are doing and know what we should be paying.

Just the other day I saw 2 cute vennies near hotel calle real and I asked if they were working and they responded "solo trabajamos en el poblado why cobramos cien dolares" I laughed and walked off but I couldn't help but think that idiots like Anthony, MB1, and the other poblado boys are the ones causing these girls to think that they can charge obscene amounts of money.[/QUOTE]The fact that you laugh at them when they tell you their price says everything I need to know about guys like you.

All you have to do is say no thanks and walk away, but instead you laugh, shows how pathetic you are. You ever heard of "her body, her rules?" Yeah you don't get to decide that for her. If $100 is an obscene amount of money to you regardless of what the average Colombian salary is or how often you monger then perhaps maybe you should concentrate more on your finances. Next time you're out and you hear the song that goes "if you ain't got no money take your broke ass home" consider doing so haha.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796452]Most of the times, I know exactly where my chicks are coming from and where they go after. I know where they live, where they work, and what they do outside of work, at least when I'm in town.
I know my risks and I don't care what she does after I kick her out or what she did prior to coming over to my place, I'm not a newbie and definitely not naive.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you don't want a puta. So WTF are you paying for? Sounds like the biggest loser position there is.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796447] when you kiss or god forbid, DATY a high mileage SW, do you taste someone else's cum in her mouth or pussy? If you do, that probably was Gabacho's or JJbee's.[/QUOTE]I thought you are a young guy? But you wrote almost the same thing 6 months ago. Maybe your memory is fading. Mine is fine from all the vitamins I get from drinking other customer's sperm.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796394]Exactly, those are the ones that give bad service. I like the ones that know what they are doing and do it well. Obviously MB doesn't know much about what he is talking about; he over pays for inexperienced chicas and bad service and gets on here to talk shit about us centro street rats who actually know what we are doing and know what we should be paying.

Just the other day I saw 2 cute vennies near hotel calle real and I asked if they were working and they responded "solo trabajamos en el poblado why cobramos cien dolares" I laughed and walked off but I couldn't help but think that idiots like Anthony, MB1, and the other poblado boys are the ones causing these girls to think that they can charge obscene amounts of money.[/QUOTE]Who said that I overpay? You know nothing about how much I spend and what kind of service I get. You are the one making shit up. I pay according to the going rates for a particular venue I am at, and according to my budget. If I happened to be in El Centro and wanted to fuck a street hoe, why would I pay 200 mil if the going rate is 50 mil tops? And guess what, when I go to La Isla, I pay La Isla rates. When I pull a Facebook girl, I pay Facebook rates. Simple as that, but probably too complicated for you, idiot, to understand. Also, you know nothing about the quality of girls I'm fucking, and if you knew, you would shut the fuck up. You are just another low life cheap fuck, who doesn't know any better.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2796422]But "we" don't know, because only 1 of us has been there and seen what kind of mongers go there. Only 1 of us has seen what kind of girls can be found there. The other half of "we" knows that the same types of activities go on all over Medellin.

El Centro is the heart of Medellin. It's the original city center. Poblado is just the newest suburb. The least one could do is go to Laureles, the original suburb.

Until you physically go there enough times to get over your fear, you'll never know what's happening there.

I didn't climb El Penol. My experience there was good until the storm rolled in while we were in the middle of the lake. Hail is no fun, especially when you're doing 25 knots across a lake and there's nothing to block it. After we got back to shore nobody felt like climbing a metal staircase in a thunderstorm.

I've some friends who did glamping around Guatape, although I don't know which place they used. Try CerroTusaSprings, you can find them on Instagram. It's not at Guatape, but a nice area. You'll probably want to rent a car for the trip, or at least a moto.[/QUOTE]What's the allure of El Centro besides cheap putas, drugs and booze? You sound like every single monger visiting Medellin needs to get acquainted with El Centro, spend some time there, fuck some cheap hoes, get robbed, drugged, and whatnot, to fully experience the city. Like it is a must do. Do you realize that some mongers prefer safety and comfort, and not set foot in El Centro? It is a filthy, disgusting, dangerous part of town that no sane person would want to visit frequently. If one wants to fuck as many putas as possible, for as little money as possible, and doesn't care about anything else, then El Centro is the place to be. Street rats love it. Other than that, it sucks.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796629]Who said that I overpay? You know nothing about how much I spend and what kind of service I get. You are the one making shit up. I pay according to the going rates for a particular venue I am at, and according to my budget. If I happened to be in El Centro and wanted to fuck a street hoe, why would I pay 200 mil if the going rate is 50 mil tops? And guess what, when I go to La Isla, I pay La Isla rates. When I pull a Facebook girl, I pay Facebook rates. Simple as that, but probably too complicated for you, idiot, to understand. Also, you know nothing about the quality of girls I'm fucking, and if you knew, you would shut the fuck up. You are just another low life cheap fuck, who doesn't know any better.[/QUOTE]You are the one who needs to shut the fuck up. You're just a fucking troll posting bullshit.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796631]What's the allure of El Centro besides cheap putas, drugs and booze? You sound like every single monger visiting Medellin needs to get acquainted with El Centro, spend some time there, fuck some cheap hoes, get robbed, drugged, and whatnot, to fully experience the city. Like it is a must do. Do you realize that some mongers prefer safety and comfort, and not set foot in El Centro? It is a filthy, disgusting, dangerous part of town that no sane person would want to visit frequently. If one wants to fuck as many putas as possible, for as little money as possible, and doesn't care about anything else, then El Centro is the place to be. Street rats love it. Other than that, it sucks.[/QUOTE]You are about as uninformed and oblivious as you could possibly be. Do you know what "El Centro" means? It means the center and in most Latin American cities it means the cental commercial zone. There are stores there, medical office buildings, tech places, restaurants, museums and everything else you could possibly imagine.

But you only know about Botero plaza and the hookers that hang there and the casas that are generally in that area. You apparently have no idea that El Centro is many times larger and more diverse than just Botero Plaza.

Oh and just for your edification. I live in Medellin and I go to El Centro with some degree of frequency. Never to pick up girls, I have my own "friends with benefits", but for all the other things that are available in that part of the city.

Just a thought. You might enjoy your trips here more if you learned a little bit about the culture and history of the city and the country. You might try visiting various places of interest in the city and take a small break from being just another sex-tourist.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2796672]You are about as uninformed and oblivious as you could possibly be. Do you know what "El Centro" means? It means the center and in most Latin American cities it means the cental commercial zone. There are stores there, medical office buildings, tech places, restaurants, museums and everything else you could possibly imagine.

But you only know about Botero plaza and the hookers that hang there and the casas that are generally in that area. You apparently have no idea that El Centro is many times larger and more diverse than just Botero Plaza.

Oh and just for your edification. I live in Medellin and I go to El Centro with some degree of frequency. Never to pick up girls, I have my own "friends with benefits", but for all the other things that are available in that part of the city.

Just a thought. You might enjoy your trips here more if you learned a little bit about the culture and history of the city and the country. You might try visiting various places of interest in the city and take a small break from being just another sex-tourist.[/QUOTE]I know what central commercial zone is. So what? Other parts of town have stores, restaurants, offices, you name it (and much nicer ones, BTW) and provide safer and cleaner environment. I'm not questioning why locals work, live and play in El Centro, it is obvious. I am speaking from a gringo visitor perspective. A typical foreigner would not fit that aggressive environment, and doesn't need to, because there are other options. Don't tell me this BS about museums and stores, nobody gives a fuck about that. It takes literally one day to check out the main attractions in El Centro. Lets be real here, cheap hookers and drugs is what attracts guys like you and Gabacho, not the freaking museums and fruit stands.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796655]You are the one who needs to shut the fuck up. You're just a fucking troll posting bullshit. Meet me at xito Aranjuez at 3 pm if your not a scared little *****!?[/QUOTE]I have no business to do in your shitty barrio, and I am not even in Colombia, dumbass.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796629]Who said that I overpay? You know nothing about how much I spend and what kind of service I get. You are the one making shit up. I pay according to the going rates for a particular venue I am at, and according to my budget. If I happened to be in El Centro and wanted to fuck a street hoe, why would I pay 200 mil if the going rate is 50 mil tops? And guess what, when I go to La Isla, I pay La Isla rates. When I pull a Facebook girl, I pay Facebook rates. Simple as that, but probably too complicated for you, idiot, to understand. Also, you know nothing about the quality of girls I'm fucking, and if you knew, you would shut the fuck up. You are just another low life cheap fuck, who doesn't know any better.[/QUOTE]That's confusing.

You pay the going rates for each venue and mention La Isla and Facebook. All good. Normal stuff.

Except:

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796452]Most of the times, I know exactly where my chicks are coming from and where they go after. I know where they live, where they work, and what they do outside of work, at least when I'm in town.

If I occasionally happen to fuck a pro, I know what's up, I know my risks and I don't care what she does after I kick her out or what she did prior to coming over to my place, I'm not a newbie and definitely not naive.[/QUOTE]Just yesterday it was "if I occasionally happen to fuck a pro", and today it's "La Isla" and "Facebook. ".

The first post makes it seem as if you have at least a few, if not several, informal girlfriends. You know where they live and work and know what each is doing each day and night. That seems a bit extreme to me. After all, I've got a formal girlfriend, and while I know where she lives, where her sister, mother, grandmother and 2 aunts live, as well as where she goes to school, I certainly don't try to track her every movement day and night. Except for the nights when she's in my bed, then I know exactly what she's doing.

But your follow-up post mentions just the normal venues many guys use, all pros, not particularly exceptional, as your main sources.

There's nothing wrong with La Isla and Facebook. I've used both and when I was pulling girls, most came from Facebook (meaning it's more likely you've tasted my cum than JustTK, I'll be sure to drink more pineapple juice for you). It's just pathetic how you constantly try to pass yourself off as getting only "elite" girls unobtainable to the teeming masses, but in reality you're swimming in the same pool as half the guys on ISG.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796631]What's the allure of El Centro besides cheap putas, drugs and booze? You sound like every single monger visiting Medellin needs to get acquainted with El Centro, spend some time there, fuck some cheap hoes, get robbed, drugged, and whatnot, to fully experience the city. Like it is a must do. Do you realize that some mongers prefer safety and comfort, and not set foot in El Centro? It is a filthy, disgusting, dangerous part of town that no sane person would want to visit frequently. If one wants to fuck as many putas as possible, for as little money as possible, and doesn't care about anything else, then El Centro is the place to be. Street rats love it. Other than that, it sucks.[/QUOTE]I don't do drugs, don't do cheap putas and rarely drink more than a few beers and seldom do I seek out the cheapest beers. On average, I probably spend more on my lodging than you as well as more on food, at least over the last 3 years. So there must be some allure outside of the "cheap" angle.

It's not something you could ever understand, if it was possible for you to overcome your fear.

What I'm saying is that until you know El Centro, until you're able to see beyond your twisted misconceptions and recognize the allure of El Centro, you'll be just another clueless gringo, pretending he's a big shot.

None of that requires drugs, sex with cheap hookers, or getting robbed. As far as "getting drugged" that isn't much of a risk, except in the places which you think are safe.

Then again, getting robbed is just as likely, all over the city, except outside of El Centro, the gringo victims are much more likely to get injured or killed.

It's not a must do, to get to know El Centro. It's just a matter of growth. There are guys who have been visiting Medellin for 15 years, twice a year, and they stay at the Mansion every time. By now they're on their second generation of the same girls, in the same rooms, doing the same thing. They're happy with that routine and that's fine.

There are guys who have been staying in El Centro for the past 15 years, same thing. They have no desire to do anything else. Other than the money they spend, there's no difference between the 2 groups. Neither group is interested in stepping outside of the little box where they feel comfortable.

Add in Laureles, Manila, Belen and Sabaneta. Or look stateside. Plenty of people take the same vacation every year, same beach, same hotel, doing all the same things. That's all fine. It's their money, their life, but it's just a comfortable rut.

If I have been taking a 2 week vacation to Panama City Beach for the past 10 years, would you say I know Florida? How can I know Florida without knowing Miami? Or Tampa? How can I know Miami if I've only been in 1 hotel in Miami Beach?

If the only reason you go to Medellin is because it's one of the few places, accessible to you, where you can afford to buy good pussy, there's no need to step outside of your perceived safe zone. But if that's the case, stay in your lane. Talk about the Airbnb in Laureles, or about the restaurants where you go. Talk about your trips to La Isla or the various Facebook girls. Stick with the things which are within your direct experience and stop trying to put down anyone who isn't doing the exact same thing as you.

Every guy here is doing what makes them happy, or trying to find what makes them happier. Where they're doing it, who they're doing it with, shouldn't matter to anyone else.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796756]I know what central commercial zone is. So what? Other parts of town have stores, restaurants, offices, you name it (and much nicer ones, BTW) and provide safer and cleaner environment. I'm not questioning why locals work, live and play in El Centro, it is obvious. I am speaking from a gringo visitor perspective. A typical foreigner would not fit that aggressive environment, and doesn't need to, because there are other options. Don't tell me this BS about museums and stores, nobody gives a fuck about that. It takes literally one day to check out the main attractions in El Centro. Lets be real here, cheap hookers and drugs is what attracts guys like you and Gabacho, not the freaking museums and fruit stands.[/QUOTE]Why do you get so angry and nasty about it though?

You do your thing and others do theirs whether it be in Poblado, Bello, Botero or Itagui.

I actually enjoy all of the above and more.

Different days, different venues.

Enjoying life your way is what's important, regardless of what others may be doing.

Enjoy the weekend!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796756] I am speaking from a gringo visitor perspective. A typical foreigner would not fit that aggressive environment, and doesn't need to, because there are other options. Don't tell me this BS about museums and stores, nobody gives a fuck about that. It takes literally one day to check out the main attractions in El Centro. Lets be real here, cheap hookers and drugs is what attracts guys like you and Gabacho, not the freaking museums and fruit stands.[/QUOTE]I get it. You like plastic barrios, protected by plastic walls, so you can meet your plastic women.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796756]I know what central commercial zone is. So what? Other parts of town have stores, restaurants, offices, you name it (and much nicer ones, BTW) and provide safer and cleaner environment. I'm not questioning why locals work, live and play in El Centro, it is obvious. I am speaking from a gringo visitor perspective. A typical foreigner would not fit that aggressive environment, and doesn't need to, because there are other options. Don't tell me this BS about museums and stores, nobody gives a fuck about that. It takes literally one day to check out the main attractions in El Centro. Lets be real here, cheap hookers and drugs is what attracts guys like you and Gabacho, not the freaking museums and fruit stands.[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn I finally agree with MB on something. The average vacationing foreigner or monger is not suited for the belly of the beast and I can not see them wanting to spend their vacation that way. I do not mind going into the forest and picking my berries for cheap in the wild. Some people would rather pay extra to be served the same berries by a waiter in a restaurant. Looking behind the curtain will probably turn them off from berries period.

Downtown is not for the faint of heart; neither is a slaughterhouse or sausage factory. To some people like me all that matters is the product. Others can not consume the product without it being in a certain setting and ambiance and without knowing how it is made.

Some people would rather sit in Poblado and pay 300,000 to a chick with the assumption she is coming unblemished straight from the candy factory and is a quasi virgin. Others have no delusion of what a hooker is and lose no sleep in paying a chick 30,000 with the knowledge she is going to the room with anyone else that passes by with 30,000.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796756]Lets be real here, cheap hookers and drugs is what attracts guys like you and Gabacho, not the freaking museums and fruit stands.[/QUOTE]You need to keep my fucking name out of your mouth bro! And for the record I don't do drugs, I don't even smoke weed anymore. I go to Centro for many reasons, cheap putas I'll admit is one of those reasons but not drugs.

I've been coming to Colombia since 2018 and living on and off in Medellin since 2021. I got my cheap apartment in my "shitty barrio" as you call it last summer and I love it here.

Centro for me, besides when I'm looking for sex, is like the heart of the city, bustling with people going on about their daily lives. Whether I'm just sitting down at Parque San Antonio drinking a coffee watching people walk by, whether I need to go to a ferreteria to pick up a shower head or a saw to cut wood for shelving in my apartment, it can all be done in Centro. Not to mention my favorite fried chicken place at the bottom of the coultejer tower or the taco place on la playa. I also go shopping there for kitchen ware at this store called hogar why decor; they have great deals there. So no thr allure of Centro is not just cheap putas or drugs.

Maybe you should know what your talking about before you open you mouth Boy. Also I've been in many other "centros" all over Colombia, Bogota, Cucuta, Cali, Santa Marta, Bucaramanga, Melgar, Villavicencio, so I think I know alot more about "el centro" than you ever will.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2796778]That's confusing.

You pay the going rates for each venue and mention La Isla and Facebook. All good. Normal stuff.

Except:

Just yesterday it was "if I occasionally happen to fuck a pro", and today it's "La Isla" and "Facebook. ".

The first post makes it seem as if you have at least a few, if not several, informal girlfriends. You know where they live and work and know what each is doing each day and night. That seems a bit extreme to me. After all, I've got a formal girlfriend, and while I know where she lives, where her sister, mother, grandmother and 2 aunts live, as well as where she goes to school, I certainly don't try to track her every movement day and night. Except for the nights when she's in my bed, then I know exactly what she's doing.

But your follow-up post mentions just the normal venues many guys use, all pros, not particularly exceptional, as your main sources.

There's nothing wrong with La Isla and Facebook. I've used both and when I was pulling girls, most came from Facebook (meaning it's more likely you've tasted my cum than JustTK, I'll be sure to drink more pineapple juice for you). It's just pathetic how you constantly try to pass yourself off as getting only "elite" girls unobtainable to the teeming masses, but in reality you're swimming in the same pool as half the guys on ISG.[/QUOTE]Again, you are making wrong assumptions. The point I was trying to make is what I pay depends on the venue and my budget. I don't offer La Isla girls 50 mil because the going rate, which is actually fixed, is 350 mil or whatever it is right now. And I would never offer 350 mil to a SW girl in El Centro if I wanted to fuck one.

Yes, I have a few informal girlfriends, I would rather call them friends with benefits or sugar babies, but once in a while I can go to a strip club like La Isla if I have a friend in town who wants my company. Once in a while I can do a facebook girl, if she is referred to me by a fellow monger. Out of every 10 girls that I fuck, maybe only 1 (or 10%) comes from FB, strip clubs and casas combined. The other 90% are regulars, friends of regulars, Seeking, Tinder (before I got banned), IG. And speaking of fucking a pro, I have already said this, Seeking got plenty of pros on there too, and I can't weed them out 100% of the time, sometimes they fall through the cracks and I deal with them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2796787]I don't do drugs, don't do cheap putas and rarely drink more than a few beers and seldom do I seek out the cheapest beers. On average, I probably spend more on my lodging than you as well as more on food, at least over the last 3 years. So there must be some allure outside of the "cheap" angle.

It's not something you could ever understand, if it was possible for you to overcome your fear.

What I'm saying is that until you know El Centro, until you're able to see beyond your twisted misconceptions and recognize the allure of El Centro, you'll be just another clueless gringo, pretending he's a big shot.

None of that requires drugs, sex with cheap hookers, or getting robbed. As far as "getting drugged" that isn't much of a risk, except in the places which you think are safe.

Then again, getting robbed is just as likely, all over the city, except outside of El Centro, the gringo victims are much more likely to get injured or killed.

It's not a must do, to get to know El Centro. It's just a matter of growth. There are guys who have been visiting Medellin for 15 years, twice a year, and they stay at the Mansion every time. By now they're on their second generation of the same girls, in the same rooms, doing the same thing. They're happy with that routine and that's fine.

There are guys who have been staying in El Centro for the past 15 years, same thing. They have no desire to do anything else. Other than the money they spend, there's no difference between the 2 groups. Neither group is interested in stepping outside of the little box where they feel comfortable.

Add in Laureles, Manila, Belen and Sabaneta. Or look stateside. Plenty of people take the same vacation every year, same beach, same hotel, doing all the same things. That's all fine. It's their money, their life, but it's just a comfortable rut.

If I have been taking a 2 week vacation to Panama City Beach for the past 10 years, would you say I know Florida? How can I know Florida without knowing Miami? Or Tampa? How can I know Miami if I've only been in 1 hotel in Miami Beach?

If the only reason you go to Medellin is because it's one of the few places, accessible to you, where you can afford to buy good pussy, there's no need to step outside of your perceived safe zone. But if that's the case, stay in your lane. Talk about the Airbnb in Laureles, or about the restaurants where you go. Talk about your trips to La Isla or the various Facebook girls. Stick with the things which are within your direct experience and stop trying to put down anyone who isn't doing the exact same thing as you.

Every guy here is doing what makes them happy, or trying to find what makes them happier. Where they're doing it, who they're doing it with, shouldn't matter to anyone else.[/QUOTE]First sane post of yours that I've read. But you still haven't answered my question about the allure of El Centro. You are saying the allure is not cheap hookers, drugs and booze, so what is it then?

You are saying you probably spend more money on lodging and food than I do. What does this has to do with El Centro? This means you lodging is definitely not in El Centro, and you definitely don't wine and dine there. And since you stated you don't do street girls, don't do drugs and barely drink, this only proves my point that there is no allure to it and you prefer to stay in your "plastic barrio protected by plastic walls".

[QUOTE=Balboa;2796802]Why do you get so angry and nasty about it though?

You do your thing and others do theirs whether it be in Poblado, Bello, Botero or Itagui.

I actually enjoy all of the above and more.

Different days, different venues.

Enjoying life your way is what's important, regardless of what others may be doing.

Enjoy the weekend![/QUOTE]I get defensive because I have been attacked by a local gang of street rats, who accused me of being clueless, overpaying, being an idiot and whatnot. Heck, one retard even wanted to meet in person LOL.

Enjoy your weekend too!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2796787] If I have been taking a 2 week vacation to Panama City Beach for the past 10 years, would you say I know Florida? How can I know Florida without knowing Miami? Or Tampa? How can I know Miami if I've only been in 1 hotel in Miami Beach?

But if that's the case, stay in your lane. Talk about the Airbnb in Laureles, or about the restaurants where you go. Talk about your trips to La Isla or the various Facebook girls. Stick with the things which are within your direct experience and stop trying to put down anyone who isn't doing the exact same thing as you.

Every guy here is doing what makes them happy, or trying to find what makes them happier. Where they're doing it, who they're doing it with, shouldn't matter to anyone else.[/QUOTE]Hey jjbe there's this Asian guy on YouTube goes by the name of 420 jon69, he thinks we are idiots for going all the way to Colombia instead of just going to Tijuana.

For the longest time he lived in Asia and people kept telling him to visit Tijuana and he kept blowing it off because he believed nothing would beat where he was currently at until he finally went and now he lives in Tijuana and loves it.

But what's funny is that he says Colombia isn't worth checking out because he knows it doesn't compare to Tijuana LOL.

I just think that's hilarious. Maybe he reads this. I would be surprised if he's not on ISG.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796898]I get defensive because I have been attacked by a local gang of street rats, who accused me of being clueless, overpaying, being an idiot and whatnot. [/QUOTE]It's really not necessary to accuse you of anything. It's only necessary to read your posts, which basically define clueless.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796896]First sane post of yours that I've read. But you still haven't answered my question about the allure of El Centro. You are saying the allure is not cheap hookers, drugs and booze, so what is it then?

You are saying you probably spend more money on lodging and food than I do. What does this has to do with El Centro? This means you lodging is definitely not in El Centro, and you definitely don't wine and dine there. And since you stated you don't do street girls, don't do drugs and barely drink, this only proves my point that there is no allure to it and you prefer to stay in your "plastic barrio protected by plastic walls".[/QUOTE]If I still go there, without the attraction of the things you say are the only reasons to go, it proves there is an allure. Do you understand the basic principle of logic there?

The allure? The people, the energy, the gritty reality of life in Medellin, or is it the beauty? The history? The sense of being grounded, connected to the city?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2796896] the allure of El Centro. You are saying the allure is not cheap hookers, drugs and booze, so what is it then?

.[/QUOTE]Those are undoubtedly some of the attractions, but as I wrote previously, for me the attraction is that El Centro is the centre of diversity in MDE. You can and will meet people from all walks of life. Students, professors, business people, office staff, street vendors, street hookers, bohemains, homeless, drug addicts, disabled folks, artists, charity workers, musicians, young, old, families, lovers, gays, straights, trans, black, white, brown, some even purple. Its a huge melting pot of experiences. Folks are very firndly and usually intrigued when they meet foreigners. Its also where new arrivals to tend to live, whether they are from Vnzla, other south american countries, or other parts of Colombia. So it is also intersting bcos it always has new input. There are also theatres, museums, an immense number of malls where you can buy phones, clothes, shoes, electrics, at a fraction of the price of the suburbs.

Its reality, not plastic. BUt if ur the type of person that say, goes on holiday to LA and stays the entire time in Santa Monica ... well then, enjoy Poblado.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2794979]If you have common sense (or call it street smarts) you improve your chances exponentially.[/QUOTE]The two aren't the same, not even close. If someone thinks they are it pretty much proves they don't have street smarts. Research it.

Keep in mind this is the same guy that thinks kidnappers are sure to let you go if your bank account shows empty at the ATM receipt. That's without considering that the criminals may be well aware that many Americans have replenish accounts. This also ignores the fact that many kidnappers may want to make a witness disappear. Thus many professionals suggest that at the beginning of such a situation it's best that you fight for your life as it likely will be your last chance to.

And it's the same guy that assumes that when when a girl posts pics of themselves at nice hotels that they've found "wealthy clients. " That's even though in the Colombian or Mexican economies any American working stiff can afford to take girls to such places. Thus we have a guy without "street smarts" that probably should have his passport seized for his own safety.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2796920]Hey jjbe there's this Asian guy on YouTube goes by the name of 420 jon69, he thinks we are idiots for going all the way to Colombia instead of just going to Tijuana.

For the longest time he lived in Asia and people kept telling him to visit Tijuana and he kept blowing it off because he believed nothing would beat where he was currently at until he finally went and now he lives in Tijuana and loves it.

But what's funny is that he says Colombia isn't worth checking out because he knows it doesn't compare to Tijuana LOL.

I just think that's hilarious. Maybe he reads this. I would be surprised if he's not on ISG.[/QUOTE]Sounds like he's a slow learner.

There is no "better" or "best" when it comes to cities or parts of cities, although there are bad and worse. It's all a matter of what appeals to each person.

If I'm going to write an opinion about something, then I'm going to experience it first, really experience it, and not just take a quick look around and pass judgment. I get annoyed at "experts" who've never experienced the things they are putting down. I also get annoyed at people who put others down over things which don't involve them and are none of their business.

Add to my "things that annoy me" list, people who insist their way is best for everyone. Everyone has to find their own way. I've spent a lot of time looking at and trying just about every way. I've found what works for me, depending on my current mood. If someone asks for advice, I ask questions. There's no sense in steering them towards something which doesn't appeal to them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2797060]Sounds like he's a slow learner.

There is no "better" or "best" when it comes to cities or parts of cities, although there are bad and worse. It's all a matter of what appeals to each person.

If I'm going to write an opinion about something, then I'm going to experience it first, really experience it, and not just take a quick look around and pass judgment. I get annoyed at "experts" who've never experienced the things they are putting down. I also get annoyed at people who put others down over things which don't involve them and are none of their business.

Add to my "things that annoy me" list, people who insist their way is best for everyone. Everyone has to find their own way. I've spent a lot of time looking at and trying just about every way. I've found what works for me, depending on my current mood. If someone asks for advice, I ask questions. There's no sense in steering them towards something which doesn't appeal to them.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Well than the same can be said for those who put down others who don't mind paying higher prices. They get so worked up about it. Like you said let them be. Would be better if people would instead just give each other advice instead of just going straight to attacking each other. I guess people get bored sometimes. It's fine, I welcome anyone who wants the smoke too LOL. "Smoke" meaning drama, beef, fighting for you old heads.

Anyone feel the earthquake in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796886]You need to keep my fucking name out of your mouth bro! And for the record I don't do drugs, I don't even smoke weed anymore. I go to Centro for many reasons, cheap putas I'll admit is one of those reasons but not drugs.

I've been coming to Colombia since 2018 and living on and off in Medellin since 2021. I got my cheap apartment in my "shitty barrio" as you call it last summer and I love it here.

Centro for me, besides when I'm looking for sex, is like the heart of the city, bustling with people going on about their daily lives. Whether I'm just sitting down at Parque San Antonio drinking a coffee watching people walk by, whether I need to go to a ferreteria to pick up a shower head or a saw to cut wood for shelving in my apartment, it can all be done in Centro. Not to mention my favorite fried chicken place at the bottom of the coultejer tower or the taco place on la playa. I also go shopping there for kitchen ware at this store called hogar why decor; they have great deals there. So no thr allure of Centro is not just cheap putas or drugs.

Maybe you should know what your talking about before you open you mouth Boy. Also I've been in many other "centros" all over Colombia, Bogota, Cucuta, Cali, Santa Marta, Bucaramanga, Melgar, Villavicencio, so I think I know alot more about "el centro" than you ever will.[/QUOTE]Whatever you said in your post has nothing to do with an average gringo monger. Visitors do not go to El Centro to pick up a shower head, kitchen ware or a saw to cut wood. Other parts of town have their own taco places, burger joints, fruit stands, and fried chicken places, and I doubt those you find in El Centro are any better (cheaper, yes) and worth spending time in traffic. Any major city, not only in Colombia, has downtown where you see people of all walks of life. No need to leave NY, Chicago or San Francisco to see people hustling and bustling.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2797055]The two aren't the same, not even close. If someone thinks they are it pretty much proves they don't have street smarts. Research it.

Keep in mind this is the same guy that thinks kidnappers are sure to let you go if your bank account shows empty at the ATM receipt. That's without considering that the criminals may be well aware that many Americans have replenish accounts. This also ignores the fact that many kidnappers may want to make a witness disappear. Thus many professionals suggest that at the beginning of such a situation it's best that you fight for your life as it likely will be your last chance to.

And it's the same guy that assumes that when when a girl posts pics of themselves at nice hotels that they've found "wealthy clients. " That's even though in the Colombian or Mexican economies any American working stiff can afford to take girls to such places. Thus we have a guy without "street smarts" that probably should have his passport seized for his own safety.[/QUOTE]Look who's back, it's the King of the Bed Bugs.

I didn't realize you were such an expert on protecting yourself in Colombia. So tell me Paulie, instead of parsing phrases, how does one go about getting "scoped" in Colombia? You see, I have lived here for years and never had the experience and neither have any of the expats in my circle.

I've always thought that a person had to be careless or worse. But you're the expert, right? You been scopalomined, so educate us?

Were you devoid of 'common sense'? Or was it that you weren't 'street smart'? Maybe you just weren't 'situationally aware'? Which was it?

What all did the person take from you? Where were you staying? Was it another one of those hostels or cheap hotels without any security that you like so much? Did you file a police report? I've heard you can't speak Spanish at all. So, how did you report your experience to the police? Did you go to a clinic or hospital to get checked out? How long were you out? Did they get your PIN number and drain your bank account?

I'm curious how the thieves could put one over on the foremost authority on bed bugs and personal safety.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797188]Well than the same can be said for those who put down others who don't mind paying higher prices.[/QUOTE]I do not see it starting out as people putting people down who don't mind paying higher prices. What I see is people trying to school those that pay higher prices that there is no need to pay that much. Then the people that pay higher prices get prideful and defensive and say things like it is their money and the girl is better and they get better service because they are paying more. Then they end up calling the person that is trying to school them cheap and broke.

A chick was coming over last night. She told me $43 for short time and $86 for all night. I told her fuck that and that I would pay $29 for short time. She said no at first, but then said she would only stay 1 hour in that case. I said okay. She got here at 9 pm and ended up not leaving until 7 am and trying to come back tonight when she finishes work. Sure I could have paid the $86 for long time she originally offered, but I know there is no reason to throw around that kind of money here. And what would the $86 have gotten me that the $29 did not get me from the same damn chick?

Maybe it just works out for me because I have never met any pussy that I had to have so I am able to hold out and to say no. You can't miss what you never had and I do not remember the chicks over the years that I had not been able to come to an agreement with.

I get happy when someone teaches me that I could be paying less for something. Why pay more when I do not have to. It confuses me when people would rather pay more for the same thing. Like the taxis at the airport for instance. A seasoned traveler knows that the people saying taxi taxi when you arrive at the airport are going to charge exorbitantly and you can go to where taxis are dropping people off to get one for normal price. Yet there are still people who refuse to walk a few steps in order to pay half the money for the same thing.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2797235].... Other parts of town have their own taco places, burger joints, fruit stands, and fried chicken places, and I doubt those you find in El Centro are any better (cheaper, yes) and worth spending time in traffic. ....[/QUOTE]In El Centro, you interact with people, in El Poblado, you interact with corporation. In El Centrol, it's the owner making the fried chicken, espresso. They recognize you after a few visits. They are more interested in you too. You can ask for custom order easily. You see it made in front of you. Sometimes I waited in the rain with flip flops waiting for up to an hour at night because I want the fresh batch or it was just sold out. People walking by would fist bump with me for no reason. LOL. It's different type of food. I asked the owner to make the popular sauce mixture on the fries so I can learn what it is supposed to be like. Try that in a random cooperate owned places. You can have as many empanadas as you like and pay after. You basically see it made right there when you eat them and different vendor may have different home made sauce which can make a big difference. There are many unique food items simply not easy to find elsewhere. If we are just talking about Colombian food, some of the best ones are not in El Poblado or even around the area, fine dinning maybe, but that's not really Colombian food IMO.

It is a place that fruits and vegetables are often sold by pile or bag, not by weight. Several times I gave the owner a choice of taking bills or taking a bunch of coins and bill I have. They would take the coins and didn't even count it while knowing it is less than what I should pay. I bought two bad melons one time without checking. I brought it back the next day to get an exchange without receipt because there is none.

It's also a place people go to socialize. You can see many people dancing under the metro even for today in the rain.

I don't know why you and Elvis seem to overreact and just fire your counterattack aimlessly like others when you both seem very experience and intelligent elsewhere. Even if you think people are attacking you but did you notice they actually spend time writing posts with substance trying to help you understand?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2797418].... Why pay more when I do not have to. It confuses me when people would rather pay more for the same thing. ....[/QUOTE]I think for me, many things you said took me out of my comfort zone but that is where I learned. Same thing when posting Spanish conversation, I felt embarrassed at times but that is also because I learned from the mistakes pointed out by members.

This is with a girl who I think is very hot but she is kind of under the radar that is why I picked her. I knew she would be expensive that is why I started at a slightly higher price and she accepted it which is much lower than she usually gets without much problem after I told her my reason. I expect her to make effort to earn my business. I doubt one will get better service from her by paying her double the amount.

I know I represent a sample size of one, but I recently completed fifty years of mongering so within that sample size of one monger is an "and" of well over a thousand hookers. If I were to run a regression analysis to determine the correlation of the price I have paid for hookers to the quality of service I received, I'm quite confident the "are" would be statistically indistinguishable from zero. Oh and I never got robbed or scoped while mongering. One time I was getting a blow job in a doorway in Barrio Xine in Barcelona and a guy came up with a knife but I just ran with my dick hanging out. I have gone back and forth over the years, whether the hooker was involved, but my gut tells me no. So I don't know if I am street smart or have common sense or maybe my luck has not run out yet. I have mongered in El Centro, Santa Fe, Bocatorena, etc. But also higher end brothels in Europe. And when I was living in Argentina, I mongered at pretty much every possible level. The one thing I know is, you never know, and all these generalizations being made by some of the callow youths on this board just don't hold any water.

[QUOTE=SdesChain19;2797213]Anyone feel the earthquake in Medellin?[/QUOTE]It felt pretty smooth. And I thought I was dreaming. I don't know what time it was because I had two chicas with me until 4 in the morning.

The chica brought a non pro bisexual friend with her. But I think I turned her into a pro because I paid her while I did not pay the pro at the same time. LOL.

The non pro left her panty at my place and I left it on the table. They came again Saturday night but with her lesbian girlfriend which caught me by surprise and I had to rush to hide the panty as I wasn't sure how open are they.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2797418]I do not see it starting out as people putting people down who don't mind paying higher prices. What I see is people trying to school those that pay higher prices that there is no need to pay that much. Then the people that pay higher prices get prideful and defensive and say things like it is their money and the girl is better and they get better service because they are paying more. Then they end up calling the person that is trying to school them cheap and broke.

A chick was coming over last night. She told me $43 for short time and $86 for all night. I told her fuck that and that I would pay $29 for short time. She said no at first, but then said she would only stay 1 hour in that case. I said okay. She got here at 9 pm and ended up not leaving until 7 am and trying to come back tonight when she finishes work. Sure I could have paid the $86 for long time she originally offered, but I know there is no reason to throw around that kind of money here. And what would the $86 have gotten me that the $29 did not get me from the same damn chick?

Maybe it just works out for me because I have never met any pussy that I had to have so I am able to hold out and to say no. You can't miss what you never had and I do not remember the chicks over the years that I had not been able to come to an agreement with..[/QUOTE]I've always said that whatever you're comfortable with paying, pay it. It's just the rationalization that is silly. "She charges more because she recognizes her value. " Nope. Chances are most of her customers pay 1/3 of the price she throws out to a gringo. She charges more to see if she can land a sucker.

It's just a game. When I lived in San Diego I wanted a chess set, so I went looking in Tijuana. First guy wanted $75. I walked away. 15 minutes later I paid $12 for the $75 chess set and the guy still made a good profit. I had budgeted $25, so everyone was happy.

In the end, once a price has been reached, 50% or more of her performance depends on you, not on the price.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797438] it's the owner making the fried chicken, espresso. They recognize you after a few visits. They are more interested in you too. You can ask for custom order easily. You see it made in front of you. Sometimes I waited in the rain with flip flops waiting for up to an hour at night because I want the fresh batch or it was just sold out.

It's also a place people go to socialize. You can see many people dancing under the metro even for today in the rain.

I don't know why you and Elvis seem to overreact and just fire your counterattack aimlessly like others when you both seem very experience and intelligent elsewhere. Even if you think people are attacking you but did you notice they actually spend time writing posts with substance trying to help you understand?[/QUOTE]I guess you want my comments seeing as how you keep bringing me up, Nounce. Yeah, I agree with you that the Medellin morons are the problem then and not Miami Boy nor me if you look at other forums, but the issue is not that we are the problem but how the forums have been moderated and that the Medellin section is a fucking mess. It is an embarrassment to what ISG was supposed to be about.

The forum was founded on the philosophy that money was the greatest aphrodisiac. There was the notion that paying for sex was not something to be ashamed of, but here you guys go again with a mindset that is the virtue signaling I see in the Democratic party. All of sudden you Medellin morons are not pushing the other notion: that you are not paying for sex and are virtuous for not doing so. Or paying less for it. Or now there is the notion that you are going to El Centro for the culture and not the sex.

And while you morons are busy waiting for your medals that show you are more culturally aware that the crude mongers who go to El Centro for just sex, what losers! You seem to not have noticed that your efforts go totally against what the site was founded for to begin with.

Miami Boy's case that most guys go to El Centro for cheap sex should not be argued but greeted with a shrugging of the shoulders and a question, "Your point is what exactly?" Instead, it is seen as heresy by a bunch of virtue signaling morons who claim they are seeing the real Colombia and others are not. My point to MB, and one I should have made much sooner, is by now you know how fucking crazy these morons are, and what does it say about you that you are, and I was, arguing with them? Crazy is never going to admit they are crazy. By arguing with them, you are saying they are not crazy which gives them the ultimate compliment, and so they are going to come back at you again and again. Now do you get why these Medellin morons cannot shut up about me?

And Nounce, I really want to reward your triangulating bullshit so just let me know what color medal you want, and I will pin said medal on you in El Centro. The medal will be inscribed with the phrase "more virtuous than the average monger" seeing as how that is what you want.

MB, just put these fools on ignore like I did. You really are not missing anything in doing so. 99% of what these morons do is just beat their chests.

In the mean time, I was super impressed with a group I met and a tour guide in Colombia. Because of the guide, these guys had access to the best restaurants and best women, and it was a lesson on how to get by a country's road blocks. Leave the Medellin morons to the slums they think are so fucking great and do what these guys did and get the best food and finest women. The tour guides know 1000 x more than these morons ever will.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2797418]I do not see it starting out as people putting people down who don't mind paying higher prices. What I see is people trying to school those that pay higher prices that there is no need to pay that much. Then the people that pay higher prices get prideful and defensive and say things like it is their money and the girl is better and they get better service because they are paying more. Then they end up calling the person that is trying to school them cheap and broke.

A chick was coming over last night. She told me $43 for short time and $86 for all night. I told her fuck that and that I would pay $29 for short time. She said no at first, but then said she would only stay 1 hour in that case. I said okay. She got here at 9 pm and ended up not leaving until 7 am and trying to come back tonight when she finishes work. Sure I could have paid the $86 for long time she originally offered, but I know there is no reason to throw around that kind of money here. And what would the $86 have gotten me that the $29 did not get me from the same damn chick?

Maybe it just works out for me because I have never met any pussy that I had to have so I am able to hold out and to say no. You can't miss what you never had and I do not remember the chicks over the years that I had not been able to come to an agreement with.

I get happy when someone teaches me that I could be paying less for something. Why pay more when I do not have to. It confuses me when people would rather pay more for the same thing. Like the taxis at the airport for instance. A seasoned traveler knows that the people saying taxi taxi when you arrive at the airport are going to charge exorbitantly and you can go to where taxis are dropping people off to get one for normal price. Yet there are still people who refuse to walk a few steps in order to pay half the money for the same thing.[/QUOTE]Let's take that same concept and apply it to everything else.

9 out of 10 times, no matter what it is you are paying for, you will most likely receive better service when you pay someone more money, for example that cab driver, will most likely get your bags for you vs the guy you negotiated with, you'll be lucky to even get a "have a nice day" when you step out. Another example if you go to a restaurant and leave a bad tip, the next time you step in there I doubt the same waitress will attend to you like she did before.

It's like saying why pay $1000 to fly United when you can pay $300 to fly spirit or avianca if you're still flying from a to be.

That's if you care about service. If you don't agree then you simply don't get it. Some people don't mind paying a little more to "expect" better service.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797664]
It's like saying why pay $1000 to fly United when you can pay $300 to fly spirit or avianca if you're still flying from a to be.

[/QUOTE]This flight analogy was thoroughly debunked a few months ago. Not to mention, that the difference in flight price is most often a higher price for less service / flight time... Which seems to work in the opposite direction to what you intend.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797664]9 out of 10 times, no matter what it is you are paying for, you will most likely receive better service when you pay someone more money, for example that cab driver, will most likely get your bags for you vs the guy you negotiated with, you'll be lucky to even get a "have a nice day" when you step out.[/QUOTE]I am not paying double for someone to get my bags out of the trunk or to tell me have a nice day. I am not needy like that.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797664]Another example if you go to a restaurant and leave a bad tip, the next time you step in there I doubt the same waitress will attend to you like she did before.[/QUOTE]You assume the service was not bad the first time therefore warranting a bad tip. Should I just leave more money this time in hopes that the service will be better next time, because I left more than I should have? How do I even know that the waiter will remember me and my tip the next time or that I will even get the same waiter next time?

That is USA bullshit anyway. When you travel to other places people understand they are being paid to do a particular job, and their performance is not based on whether or how much tip a person is going to leave. Tips in other countries are minimal and not magnanimous like the 20% and 25% people are expected to leave in the USA.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797664]Some people don't mind paying a little more to "expect" better service.[/QUOTE]What do you do when you pay more and the service turns out to not be better? If I am paying more for something then I want to KNOW I am getting something better, not just hope or expect it will be better.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797664]It's like saying why pay $1000 to fly United when you can pay $300 to fly spirit or avianca if you're still flying from a to be.
[/QUOTE]United and Spirit have measurable differences that would warrant a person paying more for one than the other. But if they were the exact same besides the paint job on the outside, would you pay a $700 difference hoping United will be better because you paid more? Probably not. You already know the seat on Spirit is not going to recline and you are going to have to pay extra for water. You can expect the seat on United is going to recline and you are going to get a free drink. Now are those things worth the $700 difference is for you to decide.

What better service is the 500,000 peso hooker going to give you that the 100,000 peso one is not, and is it worth the 400,000 peso price difference? As I have said before, for me it is not. I date plenty of normal chicks so I am not looking for my hooker to act like the girlfriend I don't have. I am looking for her to be the hooker that I want for the next hour or so. The 400,000 peso difference for me could be better spent on plane tickets to get me and a non-hooker chick I am dating to San Andres or Leticia or wherever. I have never had the need or desire to pay a bunch of money to borrow something half the people on the planet is in possession of.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2797826]This flight analogy was thoroughly debunked a few months ago. Not to mention, that the difference in flight price is most often a higher price for less service / flight time... Which seems to work in the opposite direction to what you intend.[/QUOTE]No sir.

There is very little difference between flight time and service.

There is no non stop flight from Texas to medellin. There is no non stop flight to Colombia from pretty much anywhere in the USA except Miami.

In fact there are spirit flights that get you there faster than United flights, yet people will still pay a lot more for United because they expect better service.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797664]Let's take that same concept and apply it to everything else.

9 out of 10 times, no matter what it is you are paying for, you will most likely receive better service when you pay someone more money, for example that cab driver, will most likely get your bags for you vs the guy you negotiated with, you'll be lucky to even get a "have a nice day" when you step out. Another example if you go to a restaurant and leave a bad tip, the next time you step in there I doubt the same waitress will attend to you like she did before.

It's like saying why pay $1000 to fly United when you can pay $300 to fly spirit or avianca if you're still flying from a to be.

That's if you care about service. If you don't agree then you simply don't get it. Some people don't mind paying a little more to "expect" better service.[/QUOTE]If they know how to do it, you may get it. If a girl girl does not know how to perform a cowgirl smoothly, more money won't solve it. You won't get a good one if she does not have the stamina either. There are many golden nuggets buried in the forum that tell you how to get better service, and they don't involve money exchange. LOL. I have experienced almost all of them when some people were dismissing those ideas.

Also by offering to pay more, you likely shift the bargaining power balance. You will also be in a better position if they ask first. For example, the girls know I travel so they ask me to take them, and you know what, for "free", and not just one but two, and possibly more if I want. LOL. But I most likely have to pay them if I ask first.

Most don't think the way you do. The extras you offer to them are just "very little" because many have already been conditioned by other mongers and want something that is more than you will offer.

I went into the barrio to pick up a girl last night and walked thru some streets that didn't look like street. I was going to take her to my place. You know what she said to me "no en metro" so I left alone. LOL. I was going to give her 50 mil to keep and she knows that, on top of what I was going to pay her. I was trying to show her she can save more money by not taking taxi. That is why I made the trip. This is my regular offer, I will accompany her from and to the metro from my place when she takes metro and will still receive 50 mil. I have reported similar experience before so this is not the first instance. There is a reason some will stay poor. Just to be clear, the Uber cost will be less than 30, the extra is just a bonus for encouragement and I don't make these offers to everyone.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2797654]I guess you want my comments seeing as how you keep bringing me up, Nounce. Yeah, I agree with you that the Medellin morons are the problem then and not Miami Boy nor me if you look at other forums, but the issue is not that we are the problem but how the forums have been moderated and that the Medellin section is a fucking mess. It is an embarrassment to what ISG was supposed to be about.....[/QUOTE]A speaker constantly speaks about the dick of El Centro monger falling off, or the El Centro mongers? Most El Centro mongers seem alive and well after day in and day out mongering in El Centro. I have not found any dick scattering around in El Centro so I guess these mongers are not morons after all.

Why do the men who date elite women talk in a way that does not seem to match the "eliteness"?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797929]Most El Centro mongers seem alive and well [/QUOTE]The dead ones usually stop posting.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797929]A speaker constantly speaks about the dick of El Centro monger falling off, or the El Centro mongers? Most El Centro mongers seem alive and well after day in and day out mongering in El Centro. I have not found any dick scattering around in El Centro so I guess these mongers are not morons after all.

Why do the men who date elite women talk in a way that does not seem to match the "eliteness"?[/QUOTE]The elite talk like this seee. Like Gatsby see. Listen up Old sport or the fat lady gets it!

Oh wait that's classic 1920's mafia gangster.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2797839] That is USA bullshit anyway. When you travel to other places people understand they are being paid to do a particular job

United and Spirit have measurable differences that would warrant a person paying more for one than the other. But if they were the exact same besides the paint job on the outside, would you pay a $700 difference hoping United will be better because you paid more? Probably not. You already know the seat on Spirit is not going to recline and you are going to have to pay extra for water. You can expect the seat on United is going to recline and you are going to get a free drink. Now are those things worth the $700 difference is for you to decide. [/QUOTE]That's precisely my point. With United you have to pay a $700 difference for "free" water and so your seat can recline 3 inches vs spirit. Yet, people rather pay to fly United because they don't want to be seen flying in the yellow bus. Typical USA bullshit LOL.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2797958]The dead ones usually stop posting.[/QUOTE]Does that mean Ostee is dead? LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797929]A speaker constantly speaks about the dick of El Centro monger falling off, or the El Centro mongers? Most El Centro mongers seem alive and well after day in and day out mongering in El Centro. I have not found any dick scattering around in El Centro so I guess these mongers are not morons after all.

Why do the men who date elite women talk in a way that does not seem to match the "eliteness"?[/QUOTE]Do you really think Centro rats would post here about them catching STDs? Also, people normally don't die from an STD, this is why El.

Centro mongers are still around. To each his own, but I would never bareback a street girl, why would I want to exponentially increase my odds of catching something? Barebacking ANY girl is always a risk, barebacking a street girl is just stupid.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798075]Do you really think Centro rats would post here about them catching STDs? Also, people normally don't die from an STD, this is why El.

Centro mongers are still around. To each his own, but I would never bareback a street girl, why would I want to exponentially increase my odds of catching something? Barebacking ANY girl is always a risk, barebacking a street girl is just stupid.[/QUOTE]Thinking that barebacking an SA or FB girl is less of a risk than barebacking a street girl, is in fact what is stupid. But hey I guess you have you gynecologist on speed dial right? Oh my bad I meant urologist, LOL.

Oh and by the way you may have thought I didn't notice that you called me a retard in one of your previous posts, but I did. I just find it ironic that the real idiot, the real retard here, has the nerve to call someone else with 100 x more experience in medellin and Colombia in general, a retard. Get off your high horse man, you are no better than anyone else here, arrogant perhaps, but better fuck no!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2797242]Look who's back, it's the King of the Bed Bugs.[/QUOTE]Well, once again twerp, these can invade just as quickly at your 25 a night "high end" LOL 3rd world hotel as any other place. Experts confirmed this, both in the areas of insect science and hotel management, so your pompous nonsense while you escape USA high prices, slumming in the third world is exposed.

But yea, so you advise someone here to drain their ATM accounts with the surety that kidnappers that take them on ATM runs will let them go, is again an example of a twit that hasn't street smarts. Kidnappers may also murder the victims with the purpose of not allowing a witness to survive. They may also want the victim to drain savings accounts or contact relatives to replenish checking accounts, all obvious items of "street smarts" that completely sailed over your head.

We also get it, that you are so stupid as to believe that girls who post pictures of themselves at high end hotels most surely are scoring "high end" clients, when any working stiff can afford such trips over a few days in Colombia, Mexico, or the DE, thus you betray yourself as just a run of the mill failed pencil pushed streteching meager resources on Colombia.

So, you talk out of your ass but have little to offer but bad advice. That was the poiint and it's again confirmed. .

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2797604] "She charges more because she recognizes her value. " Nope. Chances are most of her customers pay 1/3 of the price she throws out to a gringo. She charges more to see if she can land a sucker.[/QUOTE]I mean if a gorilla pounds on a keyboard long enough brilliance eventually will ensue. Make this is sticky and 70% of the discussions here will be settled. Yo.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798075]Do you really think Centro rats would post here about them catching STDs? Also, people normally don't die from an STD, this is why El.

Centro mongers are still around. To each his own, but I would never bareback a street girl, why would I want to exponentially increase my odds of catching something? Barebacking ANY girl is always a risk, barebacking a street girl is just stupid.[/QUOTE]But you are a John. No matter how much you are paying, you are a John. No matter how much you or the girl wants to think otherwise, you are a paying customer and you are at risk, and perhaps even more at risk than the guys paying street girls, whom given the volume may be more apt to take precautions. But these hierachy of Johns discussions have always been a joke, and will continue to be.

The big question is, why do guys like you spend so much time trying to convince guys online that you are something that you aren't? That in itself is the big tell. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797929]A speaker constantly speaks about the dick of El Centro monger falling off, or the El Centro mongers?[/QUOTE]The STD part is the only part MB and I would disagree. The rest of it, you guys going to El Centro for culture, is about as believable as men saying they buy Playboy for the articles.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797929]Why do the men who date elite women talk in a way that does not seem to match the "eliteness"?[/QUOTE]Well, you just had a moron say my elite woman is still doing tricks and then another say she was soon to be thrown into the trash heap at her age. And let me guess this right: the problem with this forum is not those comments but how guys like MB and I react to them? Truth is I had not posted here in a month. Maybe YOUR problem is you are too tolerant of the morons who make comments like this.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798101]But you are a John. No matter how much you are paying, you are a John. No matter how much you or the girl wants to think otherwise, you are a paying customer and you are at risk, and perhaps even more at risk than the guys paying street girls, whom given the volume may be more apt to take precautions. But these hierachy of Johns discussions have always been a joke, and will continue to be.

The big question is, why do guys like you spend so much time trying to convince guys online that you are something that you aren't? That in itself is the big tell. LOL.[/QUOTE]This is the shit that needs to be on a sticky. We are all paying chicks to get some ass. The hierarchy the chick I am paying is better than the chick you are paying or I am better than you because I like to pay more or my girl does not have a disease because she charges more is dumb as hell. Maybe it is just human nature.

Know yourself and do what floats your boat. My youngest brother's first time to Thailand, we went in the club and I spent $500 on bottles of liquor. They were $100 each. I felt no different than when I am in the club how I usually am, with just a glass of bubbly water.

Same as I know that if I spend 500,000 pesos on a hooker, I am not going to be 5 times more satisfied than if I spend 100,000 on one. Maybe some guys would rather save all their money up to spend big on hookers, but it is not my thing and I am fine with that. Just not something I value.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2797032]Those are undoubtedly some of the attractions, but as I wrote previously, for me the attraction is that El Centro is the centre of diversity in MDE. You can and will meet people from all walks of life. Students, professors, business people, office staff, street vendors, street hookers, bohemains, homeless, drug addicts, disabled folks, artists, charity workers, musicians, young, old, families, lovers, gays, straights, trans, black, white, brown, some even purple. Its a huge melting pot of experiences. Folks are very firndly and usually intrigued when they meet foreigners. Its also where new arrivals to tend to live, whether they are from Vnzla, other south american countries, or other parts of Colombia. So it is also intersting bcos it always has new input. There are also theatres, museums, an immense number of malls where you can buy phones, clothes, shoes, electrics, at a fraction of the price of the suburbs.

Its reality, not plastic. BUt if ur the type of person that say, goes on holiday to LA and stays the entire time in Santa Monica ... well then, enjoy Poblado.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. I'm still 'new' so I don't want to be a braggy expert. But I stayed in El Poblado for two weeks and was out every night. I have been back quite a few nights since. I personally prefer going to El Centro. Not just for the cheap hookers. But I like that in El Centro I'm more often treated just like everyone else. There are countless people just looking for gringos to single out like in El Poblado. Sure every once in a while someone will specifically target me, but in El Centro it is less than just about everywhere else. Even on LA 70 I get far more targeted than in el Centro.

Also anyone that scoffs at all the stuff to buy and all the shops and maze of shopping as a reason to check it out. Well what can I say? I have had a lot of sex and sometimes I just want to check out the environment. Particularly in the late morning through the afternoon there is just so much more going on than in El Poblado IMO. I'm a day game guy and El Poblado is meh for me when it comes to day game.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2798130]The rest of it, you guys going to El Centro for culture, is about as believable as men saying they buy Playboy for the articles.[/QUOTE]That one is funny for sure if not side splitting. So they are down there to observe and take pics of those fat chick statues? It's amazing the gymnastics twits will go through to try and avoid the fact that they are a client to prostitutes. I've been observing it here for 25 years. They need to just grow a pair and admit what they are, a "John. " It's okay. It won't hurt that bad. That even applies to the morons that come here with with the "high end" end around. No sell.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2798189] I'm a day game guy and El Poblado is meh for me when it comes to day game.[/QUOTE]You have just admitted that El Centro hookers is what attracts you. Could not find brothels or SW girls in El Poblado to fuck in the daytime, huh? Next time you come down to MDE do yourself a favor and book a place in El Centro, I would like to see how long you will last.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2798145]This is the shit that needs to be on a sticky. We are all paying chicks to get some ass. The hierarchy the chick I am paying is better than the chick you are paying or I am better than you because I like to pay more or my girl does not have a disease because she charges more is dumb as hell. Maybe it is just human nature.

Know yourself and do what floats your boat. My youngest brother's first time to Thailand, we went in the club and I spent $500 on bottles of liquor. They were $100 each. I felt no different than when I am in the club how I usually am, with just a glass of bubbly water.

Same as I know that if I spend 500,000 pesos on a hooker, I am not going to be 5 times more satisfied than if I spend 100,000 on one. Maybe some guys would rather save all their money up to spend big on hookers, but it is not my thing and I am fine with that. Just not something I value.[/QUOTE]Have read many of your posts, and it seems like you put pussy in the commodity category. Pussy is pussy, right? Like a barrel of crude oil, or a bottle of Coca Cola. Structurally, all pussies are the same, made of flesh and blood. You just want to stick your dick in one of those, do the deed and get out / kick her out. And you want to pay the bare minimum. You don't care about the experience as a whole, as long as she makes you climax. You don't care how attractive she is, as long as she can help you get it up, you don't care about her personality or if she is a good, fun company. This is why to you it makes no sense to pay 500 k when you can stick your dick in a 100 k hooker, because hookers are hookers, they are all the same, right? And that's fine with me, because you are honest about it. But don't make others follow your path. I value a good company, fun personality, great looks, and amazing skills in bed, and I'm willing to pay for all of the above, because essentially I'm paying for the experience, and it better be a memorable one. I'm sure I wouldn't even touch your 100 k hoes simply because they won't meet my minimum optics standards.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798330]Have read many of your posts, and it seems like you put pussy in the commodity category.[/QUOTE]If half the people on Earth have one, what would you call it if not a commodity? It is plentiful and not scarce or rare.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798330]You just want to stick your dick in one of those, do the deed and get out / kick her out. And you want to pay the bare minimum. You don't care about the experience as a whole,[/QUOTE]For experiences as a whole I have stated plenty of times that I date normal chicks and have normal girlfriends. I do not need to get my love and affection from a hooker. With that said, there is no shortage of hookers that come with GFE. It is not something that I need to or find the need to pay extra for. I live in Thailand for god sake. Damn near every hooker that comes over is oozing with what you call "experience as a whole" and for $35 all night! Chicks come over giving massages and cooking and cleaning up the next day; teeming with "experience as a whole".

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798330]You don't care how attractive she is, as long as she can help you get it up, you don't care about her personality or if she is a good, fun company. [/QUOTE]I never said that I did not care how someone looks. As has been shown time and time again, how much you pay and looks have nothing to do with each other. Last time I was in Fase 2 there were chicks that had looks all over the place, yet they were all the same price.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798330]This is why to you it makes no sense to pay 500 k when you can stick your dick in a 100 k hooker, because hookers are hookers, they are all the same, right? And that's fine with me, because you are honest about it. But don't make others follow your path. I value a good company, fun personality, great looks, and amazing skills in bed, and I'm willing to pay for all of the above,[/QUOTE]Once again, all the things you value in a hooker, I get from normal chicks I am dating, so no need to pay a hooker 5 times over for that. I fuck hookers for the fun of it, not because I need to get some type of paid experience or fulfillment from it as you do. I am paying for pussy, not mental or emotional stimulation.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798330] I value a good company, fun personality, great looks, and amazing skills in bed, and I'm willing to pay for all of the above[/QUOTE]Me too. But fifty years tells me you can get that (although certainly not always) almost anywhere on the pricing spectrum. It does require time, effort, and language skills.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798094]Well, once again twerp, these can invade just as quickly at your 25 a night "high end" LOL 3rd world hotel as any other place. Experts confirmed this, both in the areas of insect science and hotel management, so your pompous nonsense while you escape USA high prices, slumming in the third world is exposed.[/QUOTE]Paulie, you are King of the Bed Bugs. I certainly have no experience with them.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798094]But yea, so you advise someone here to drain their ATM accounts with the surety that kidnappers that take them on ATM runs will let them go, is again an example of a twit that hasn't street smarts. Kidnappers may also murder the victims with the purpose of not allowing a witness to survive. They may also want the victim to drain savings accounts or contact relatives to replenish checking accounts, all obvious items of "street smarts" that completely sailed over your head.[/QUOTE]I thought we were talking about being Scopalomined, weren't we? Were you kidnapped too?

Paulie I want to hear about all your 'common sense' or 'street smarts' or was it 'situational awareness' and how you got yourself scopalomined. I used to assume it was a girl that got you but maybe it was a tranny or just a gay guy? Tell us all about it Paulie? Most of us have never been "scoped" before. Jajaja You're the experienced guy with all the common sense. How did they get you?

Did you report it to the police? Did you go get checked out at the hospital? How long were you out? What all did he / she / it take from you?

Don't be embarrassed Paulie, just tell us all about it. Don't worry, no one thought you were very bright anyway, so no one is going to think a lot less of you. A lot of us here just want to know the details.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798388]Paulie, you are King of the Bed Bugs. I certainly have no experience with them. [/QUOTE]Your reported experiences (anecdotes) are completely useless. I've likewise never experienced bed bugs in hotels. But that's all beside the point twit, isn't it? As you were chatising people for taking reasonable precautions while bragging about traveling the world staying in "end end" hotels, right? But you've sat in one place, and sheepishly admitting so, at a 25 a night, Spartan place on la 70. This while you abandon any real retirement ambitions to squeeze a buck in a third world country while in here pretending to be an investment expert. Lolol.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798388] you got yourself scopalomined. [/QUOTE]No twerp it wasn't scope if you could learn how to spell it, but a benzodiazepine and associated with an Aregentine I'd known for a year. Only 200 mil was lost and no phone. And this is all from a story told from a wormy, drooping over little piece of dogshit JJBee62 who published a story that he committed to keep in confidence, but when he got his feelings hurt about an unrelated matter, put it on blast here. He'd never have the balls to face me with any of that.

But back to the points that you persistently avoid, say that a guy is sure to be let go from a kidnapper if his ATM receipts show empy. No, criminals are smarter than that and are aware of replinish accounts. They may also want to contact a relative for extortion. All points oblivious to your pencil pushing half empty head.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798453]Your reported experiences (anecdotes) are completely useless. I've likewise never experienced bed bugs in hotels. But that's all beside the point twit, isn't it? As you were [B]chatising[/B] people for taking reasonable precautions while bragging about traveling the world staying in [B]"end end"[/B] hotels, right? But you've sat in one place, and sheepishly admitting so, at a 25 a night, Spartan place on la 70. This while you abandon any real retirement ambitions to squeeze a buck in a third world country while in here pretending to be an investment expert. Lolol.[/QUOTE]OK Professor Bed Bugs. BTW I just got back a week ago from a visit to the US and then a week in Prague. Didn't see any bed bugs in either place.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798453]No twerp it wasn't scope if you could learn how to spell it, but a benzodiazepine and associated with an [B]Aregentine[/B] I'd known for a year. Only 200 mil was lost and no phone. And this is all from a story told from a wormy, drooping over little piece of dogshit JJBee62 who published a story that he committed to keep in confidence, but when he got his feelings hurt about an unrelated matter, put it on blast here. He'd never have the balls to face me with any of that.[/QUOTE]Oh it wasn't scopolamine it was benzodiazepine. Right? Who cares? How did your "Aregentine" (using your misspelling) administer it to you? Where was your common sense or street smarts or situational awareness? And he / she only got 200 mil and no cell phone? Wow, I knew you were a pauper but I had no idea. I take it you had no credit cards either? I guess your hostel or flop-house didn't have a front desk that took their cedula or passport information. Maybe insead of kvetching about where I stay you should work an extra week at your McDonald's job and stay at a nicer, safer place.

Just a thought.

OH and I guess this was all JJBee's fault? You stay at a hostel that doesn't record a visitor's document, you bring them to your room and obviously you consume some kind of drink paying no attention to what is happening around you, demonstrating a complete lack of 'common sense' or call it 'situational awareness' and it is JJBee's fault. You're a sad little man Paulie.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798453]But back to the points that you persistently avoid, say that a guy is sure to be let go from a kidnapper if his ATM receipts show empy. No, criminals are smarter than that and are aware of replinish accounts. They may also want to contact a relative for extortion. All points oblivious to your pencil pushing half empty head.[/QUOTE]OK why a kidnapper? Your attacker was invited into your room, you paid no attention to what she (or he) was doing and then drank a spiked drink. I guess you are right in part. Certainly this criminal was a heck of a lot smarter than her (or his) victim. What I think you typically forget in your blather is that most criminals didn't live in the US for most of their lives. They don't know much about bank accounts. They are probably poor and might not even have one. If they do, it is a savings account where they can pull what they have deposited but that is all. They don't really know much about linked investment accounts. Apparently you don't either. But that's OK Paulie. No one ever accused you of being knowledgeable about anything, except [B]Bed Bugs[/B].

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798468]OK Professor Bed Bugs. BTW I just got back a week ago from a visit to the US and then a week in Prague. Didn't see any bed bugs in either place.[/QUOTE]The minute I post you are right there in you're hovel ready to reply. You've never been to Prague, nor have you been beyond your questionable motel on la 70. You can't even afford to rent a furnished apartment, something anyone on the ground could help you with if you had one.

Your advice is silly telling people they are safe if their ATM receipt shows zero after kipnapped, though the same may wish you to contact relatives, use replenish accounts, or kill you to get rid of a witness, all all points your persistently ignore. That and your laughable claim that girls who posts pics of themselves at high end resorts on FB have scored "wealthy clients" when any working stiff can afford to take them there in Colombia and Mexico.

Yes I let my guard down for a moment in Medellin as everyone has done. This was shared with JJBee in confidence, who when roughed up regarding public information, in desperation and in full scum bag mode put it on blast. It just depends on what kind of person you want to be pal. That was back in 2017 and the mistake was never repeated. For anyone that wants to know about that night just PM me.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798468]OK Professor Bed Bugs. BTW I just got back a week ago from a visit to the US and then a week in Prague. Didn't see any bed bugs in either place.

Oh it wasn't scopolamine it was benzodiazepine. Right? Who cares? How did your "Aregentine" (using your misspelling) administer it to you? Where was your common sense or street smarts or situational awareness? And he / she only got 200 mil and no cell phone? Wow, I knew you were a pauper but I had no idea. I take it you had no credit cards either? I guess your hostel or flop-house didn't have a front desk that took their cedula or passport information. Maybe insead of kvetching about where I stay you should work an extra week at your McDonald's job and stay at a nicer, safer place.

Just a thought.

OH and I guess this was all JJBee's fault? You stay at a hostel that doesn't record a visitor's document, you bring them to your room and obviously you consume some kind of drink paying no attention to what is happening around you, demonstrating a complete lack of 'common sense' or call it 'situational awareness' and it is JJBee's fault. You're a sad little man Paulie.

OK why a kidnapper? Your attacker was invited into your room, you paid no attention to what she (or he) was doing and then drank a spiked drink. I guess you are right in part. Certainly this criminal was a heck of a lot smarter than her (or his) victim. What I think you typically forget in your blather is that most criminals didn't live in the US for most of their lives. They don't know much about bank accounts. They are probably poor and might not even have one. If they do, it is a savings account where they can pull what they have deposited but that is all. They don't really know much about linked investment accounts. Apparently you don't either. But that's OK Paulie. No one ever accused you of being knowledgeable about anything, except [B]Bed Bugs[/B].[/QUOTE]It appears that Paulie wants me to tell the story for him again. It's been over 5 years, so I might miss a few minor details. Plus he's changed his version of the story at least twice. I'll also reveal the completely unrelated matter which convinced me to reveal Paulie as the victim (although, to be fair, the thieves had to spend quite a bit of time with him, which makes them victims as well). This is the version he first told me, sitting at a streetside table at the pool hall on La 70.

A bir of background before I get to the story.

A few months earlier Paulie went psycho on Whatsapp. I attempted to calm him, but he was completely nuts. As a result I stopped talking to him. Sometime, I believe in September 2017 he came to Parque Lleras looking for me I was just leaving, but agreed to meet the next day in Laureles.

Just a few days earlier he said he'd been drugged and robbed, was unconscious for 14 hours and had woken up in a hospital. I don't recall if he had stated which drug had been used. However, it doesn't really matter. If someone shoots you, the manufacturer of the gun isn't a crucial detail.

His initial version had him drinking at a bar on 70, I think the name was Pico and Botella, or something like that. It's on the west side. He was with a "Colombian friend" who has now become an Aregentine friend, which I think means he's silver plated. There were 2 hot girls, and him and his silver friend were buying them drinks. But there was another guy also buying them drinks, according to Paulie, trying to get the girls for himself.

At some point, they were drinking shots of whiskey with the guy. That's basically where his story ends. At the time he claimed his friend had been robbed too and had lost a laptop and more money than Paulie. I don't recall the amount he said he lost, but it wasn't a huge amount.

His later version he said he thought he'd been drugged at Luna Lunera and that his silver Colombian friend had been in on it. His third version changed the Colombian friend to what I can only assume is an Argentine.

Paulie told me the story and asked me to put it on ISG, but he didn't want to be identified. I complied and made one assumption. Because of how he told the story, I assumed the third guy was buying shots, which is how I wrote it. Cue Paulie psycho PM rant. The gut wasn't buying shots, Paulie had bought a bottle. After putting up with his constant abuse for a few days I revealed him as the victim and he's mostly been on my ignore list ever since.

Since then, any time I'm in a pissing contest with someone else, Paulie is in their PMs, making up shit about me and trying to give them ammunition to use against me. I've called him out on it a few times and a few other guys have told me about it. That's how brave he is.

I'll be more than happy to discuss any of that face to face Paulie, although you might need to wait awhile. Medellin isn't on my itinerary for my next 2 vacations, but I might slip in a short visit late in the year. However, with all your money you can come see me anytime. Just tell someone to send me a PM and I'll send you my number. Or post a week before your next trip and I'll squeeze in a quick 48 hour visit just to talk to you.

Villainy, how do you rate a $25 room, and a bare bones one at that? I think they charged me $80 the last time and the room was excellent. Of course, several guys have reviewed the hotel and called it the nicest in Laureles. It's certainly much nicer than the one you were in the first time we met.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798388]Paulie, you are King of the Bed Bugs. I certainly have no experience with them.

I thought we were talking about being Scopalomined, weren't we? Were you kidnapped too?

Paulie I want to hear about all your 'common sense' or 'street smarts' or was it 'situational awareness' and how you got yourself scopalomined. I used to assume it was a girl that got you but maybe it was a tranny or just a gay guy? Tell us all about it Paulie? Most of us have never been "scoped" before. Jajaja You're the experienced guy with all the common sense. How did they get you?

Did you report it to the police? Did you go get checked out at the hospital? How long were you out? What all did he / she / it take from you?

Don't be embarrassed Paulie, just tell us all about it. Don't worry, no one thought you were very bright anyway, so no one is going to think a lot less of you. A lot of us here just want to know the details.[/QUOTE]That alone is all we need to see. What a bunch of rambling, flailing nonsense from a guy that only has bad advice to offer, sniffing the stench from his la 70 hovel while dreaming of trip to Prague, classic.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798468]OK Professor Bed Bugs. BTW I just got back a week ago from a visit to the US and then a week in Prague. Didn't see any bed bugs in either place.

Oh it wasn't scopolamine it was benzodiazepine. Right? Who cares? How did your "Aregentine" (using your misspelling) administer it to you? Where was your common sense or street smarts or situational awareness? And he / she only got 200 mil and no cell phone? Wow, I knew you were a pauper but I had no idea. I take it you had no credit cards either? I guess your hostel or flop-house didn't have a front desk that took their cedula or passport information. Maybe insead of kvetching about where I stay you should work an extra week at your McDonald's job and stay at a nicer, safer place.

Just a thought.

OH and I guess this was all JJBee's fault? You stay at a hostel that doesn't record a visitor's document, you bring them to your room and obviously you consume some kind of drink paying no attention to what is happening around you, demonstrating a complete lack of 'common sense' or call it 'situational awareness' and it is JJBee's fault. You're a sad little man Paulie.

OK why a kidnapper? Your attacker was invited into your room, you paid no attention to what she (or he) was doing and then drank a spiked drink. I guess you are right in part. Certainly this criminal was a heck of a lot smarter than her (or his) victim. What I think you typically forget in your blather is that most criminals didn't live in the US for most of their lives..[/QUOTE]A couple of thoughts I left out.

1. Street smarts tells you that getting into a drinking contest with strangers is a bad idea.

Common sense tells you that getting drunk in public, in Medellin is also a bad idea.

Apparently, Paulie lacks both.

2. His silver plated Colombian friend had to have known robbing Paulie wasn't going to get him much money. I'm thinking he was drugged just because the guy was sick of listening to his incessant blabbering.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2798570]That alone is all we need to see. What a bunch of rambling, flailing nonsense from a guy that only has bad advice to offer, sniffing the stench from his la 70 hovel while dreaming of trip to Prague, classic.[/QUOTE]Just put him on ignore, Paulie. V used to annoy the hell out of me and then one day I realized he was a textbook narcissist and was not able to see anything outside of his narrow view of the world. He thinks cabbies trying to rip me off or your getting drugged and his not being drugged or ripped off is due to his being morally superior. Really.

With investing, my final tally for the year was being up $30,000+ but V cannot handle that. You can be sure he will be spouting out off I am a liar not because he knows that I am but because of his ego. He thinks he is a great investor but he is anything but. He lacks the humility to be one. When my stocks went up, he said that I did not buy them. When they were down, he would make fun of me for the losses, and that is the exact behavior of a narcissist.

With the bedbugs, it is the same thing. Of course, you are completely right about them and they can be find in the finest establishments, but you have to understand what he is really saying. Bed bugs or lice would never be found on someone as great as him, and you are wasting your breath trying to convince him otherwise.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798330]This is why to you it makes no sense to pay 500 k when you can stick your dick in a 100 k hooker, because hookers are hookers, they are all the same, right? And that's fine with me, because you are honest about it.[/QUOTE]MB, he is not honest about it. He is always riding guys for not holding the line on prices. When he says that paying more for women does not float his boat or whatever, he expects everyone else to be like him, and IMO he was very jealous about the quality of women I have scored even though he would not come out and admit it.

His game works great if you want to pay as little as possible to average woman or below. Where he is full of it is his saying that he does not care about the finest or in demand women. The reality is that he is just too cheap and lazy to pay the price to get them.

What gets me is how he brags about his expensive phones. With me, I would rather by a cheaper phone and get better women, but it cracks me up that saying that goes against the Medellin moron culture. It is gauche to say you paid too much for a phone but pay an extra $50 to get a higher quality woman and the Medellin morons go nuts.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2798681]MB, he is not honest about it. He is always riding guys for not holding the line on prices. When he says that paying more for women does not float his boat or whatever, he expects everyone else to be like him, and IMO he was very jealous about the quality of women I have scored even though he would not come out and admit it.

His game works great if you want to pay as little as possible to average woman or below. Where he is full of it is his saying that he does not care about the finest or in demand women. The reality is that he is just too cheap and lazy to pay the price to get them.

What gets me is how he brags about his expensive phones. With me, I would rather by a cheaper phone and get better women, but it cracks me up that saying that goes against the Medellin moron culture. It is gauche to say you paid too much for a phone but pay an extra $50 to get a higher quality woman and the Medellin morons go nuts.[/QUOTE]Not only that, he brags about spending $500 at the night club, even though he admitted he saw no value in doing so. Brags about having multiple girlfriends, but still fucks cheap hookers for fun? Doesn't make sense. I'm wondering what kind of quality you can get for $35 in Thailand, cooking and cleaning included.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2798088]Thinking that barebacking an SA or FB girl is less of a risk than barebacking a street girl, is in fact what is stupid. But hey I guess you have you gynecologist on speed dial right? Oh my bad I meant urologist, LOL.

Oh and by the way you may have thought I didn't notice that you called me a retard in one of your previous posts, but I did. I just find it ironic that the real idiot, the real retard here, has the nerve to call someone else with 100 x more experience in medellin and Colombia in general, a retard. Get off your high horse man, you are no better than anyone else here, arrogant perhaps, but better fuck no![/QUOTE]What amazes me is that having "100 x more experience" than I do, you are still dumb as fuck to understand simple concepts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2798365]If half the people on Earth have one, what would you call it if not a commodity? It is plentiful and not scarce or rare.

[/QUOTE]Shakira has a pussy. My cleaning lady has one too. Both pussies are of the same age and virtually the same on the inside. By your logic, Shakira's pussy should cost the same as my cleaning lady's pussy. Good luck getting in Shakira's panties for $35.

Those mfs who frequent El Centro to experience the culture and not for the hookers, why don't you travel to Somalia then? There you will have a fantastic opportunity to experience real poverty and if you get lucky, get back home in one piece.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798518]It appears that Paulie wants me to tell the story for him again. It's been over 5 years, so I might miss a few minor details. Plus he's changed his version of the story at least twice. I'll also reveal the completely unrelated matter which convinced me to reveal Paulie as the victim (although, to be fair, the thieves had to spend quite a bit of time with him, which makes them victims as well). This is the version he first told me, sitting at a streetside table at the pool hall on La 70.

A bit of background before I get to the story.

A few months earlier Paulie went psycho on Whatsapp. I attempted to calm him, but he was completely nuts. As a result I stopped talking to him. Sometime, I believe in September 2017 he came to Parque Lleras looking for me I was just leaving, but agreed to meet the next day in Laureles.

Just a few days earlier he said he'd been drugged and robbed, was unconscious for 14 hours and had woken up in a hospital. I don't recall if he had stated which drug had been used. However, it doesn't really matter. If someone shoots you, the manufacturer of the gun isn't a crucial detail.

His initial version had him drinking at a bar on 70, I think the name was Pico and Botella, or something like that. It's on the west side. He was with a "Colombian friend" who has now become an Aregentine friend, which I think means he's silver plated. There were 2 hot girls, and him and his silver friend were buying them drinks. But there was another guy also buying them drinks, according to Paulie, trying to get the girls for himself.

At some point, they were drinking shots of whiskey with the guy. That's basically where his story ends. At the time he claimed his friend had been robbed too and had lost a laptop and more money than Paulie. I don't recall the amount he said he lost, but it wasn't a huge amount.

His later version he said he thought he'd been drugged at Luna Lunera and that his silver Colombian friend had been in on it. His third version changed the Colombian friend to what I can only assume is an Argentine.

Paulie told me the story and asked me to put it on ISG, but he didn't want to be identified. I complied and made one assumption. Because of how he told the story, I assumed the third guy was buying shots, which is how I wrote it. Cue Paulie psycho PM rant. The gut wasn't buying shots, Paulie had bought a bottle. After putting up with his constant abuse for a few days I revealed him as the victim and he's mostly been on my ignore list ever since.

Since then, any time I'm in a pissing contest with someone else, Paulie is in their PMs, making up shit about me and trying to give them ammunition to use against me. I've called him out on it a few times and a few other guys have told me about it. That's how brave he is.

I'll be more than happy to discuss any of that face to face Paulie, although you might need to wait awhile. Medellin isn't on my itinerary for my next 2 vacations, but I might slip in a short visit late in the year. However, with all your money you can come see me anytime. Just tell someone to send me a PM and I'll send you my number. Or post a week before your next trip and I'll squeeze in a quick 48 hour visit just to talk to you.

[B]Villainy, how do you rate a $25 room, and a bare bones one at that? I think they charged me $80 the last time and the room was excellent.[/B] Of course, several guys have reviewed the hotel and called it the nicest in Laureles. It's certainly much nicer than the one you were in the first time we met.[/QUOTE]My room has two king size beds and lots of space and a large balcony. Not to mention the 24 hour reception desk, free breakfast, weight room, sauna and daily maid service.

I went to pay my rent for the month of February before taking my trip and I told them I should only be paying $25 a night (with the appropriate COP conversion of course) afterall that is what Paulie said I was paying. They asked if that was the guy who got benzodiazepined by one of his "friends". I said yes that was the one and they said he probably hasn't recovered his mental faculties yet.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2798675]Just put him on ignore, Paulie. V used to annoy the hell out of me and then one day I realized he was a textbook narcissist and was not able to see anything outside of his narrow view of the world. He thinks cabbies trying to rip me off or your getting drugged and his not being drugged or ripped off is due to his being morally superior. Really.

With investing, my final tally for the year was being up $30,000+ but V cannot handle that. You can be sure he will be spouting out off I am a liar not because he knows that I am but because of his ego. He thinks he is a great investor but he is anything but. He lacks the humility to be one. When my stocks went up, he said that I did not buy them. When they were down, he would make fun of me for the losses, and that is the exact behavior of a narcissist.

With the bedbugs, it is the same thing. Of course, you are completely right about them and they can be find in the finest establishments, but you have to understand what he is really saying. Bed bugs or lice would never be found on someone as great as him, and you are wasting your breath trying to convince him otherwise.[/QUOTE]Hey! Look who crawled out of the baseboards of ISG. It's Elvis! I see you are here to lend moral support to Paulie. Good for you! What a guy.

Say I see you are back talking about your investment prowess. Could you tell me more about the 25,000% winner you booked a while back? I'm really dying to hear all about it.

I was also wondering about your understanding of the meaning of a "narcissist". Did you learn about the characteristics from all the advance classes you took at the University? No?? Hmmm.

I bet it was from those psychiatric textbooks you assimilated while preparing for the Medical Boards? No?

[B]I know! You discovered the classic traits of a "narcissist" by looking in the mirror![/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798699]Shakira has a pussy. My cleaning lady has one too. Both pussies are of the same age and virtually the same on the inside. By your logic, Shakira's pussy should cost the same as my cleaning lady's pussy. Good luck getting in Shakira's panties for $35.[/QUOTE]If Shakira was not famous she would be the same chick you could get down at the casa for 50,000 pesos. You are putting the value on the fame or popularity and not the pussy, same as you guys do the Instagram chicks and the like. Just like Jamie Foxx said about Jennifer Lopez. "J-Lo? I remember when it was Hey Ho!

If Shakira was a chick you knew growing up, you would not put that much value on her pussy. She would just be Shakira from down the street to you.

And as people say, do not meet your idols because you will be disappointed. Some chick you do not know that is out of reach is worth $1 million to you, but once you get to know her or have fucked her a few times you are ready to throw her out with the trash. Halle Berry is an example. She has left many a guy saying just get this crazy broad away from me.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBpxl2_a0ps[/URL]

Surfer500 is back and immediately spouting off Centro prices on his first day. In 2-3 days he will be bitching about all the monger tourists in Centro. Simply brilliant!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798727]My room has two king size beds and lots of space and a large balcony. Not to mention the 24 hour reception desk, free breakfast, weight room, sauna and daily maid service.

I went to pay my rent for the month of February before taking my trip and I told them I should only be paying $25 a night (with the appropriate COP conversion of course) afterall that is what Paulie said I was paying. They asked if that was the guy who got benzodiazepined by one of his "friends". I said yes that was the one and they said he probably hasn't recovered his mental faculties yet.[/QUOTE]That's quite likely. However, Paulie recovering his mental faculties after being drugged is like a quadriplegic recovering from a broken leg. It's still not something he'll ever be able to use.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2798697]Not only that, he brags about spending $500 at the night club, even though he admitted he saw no value in doing so. Brags about having multiple girlfriends, but still fucks cheap hookers for fun? Doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]They are not girl friends but friends with benefits. If you have a woman who says I do not care if you sleep around, she does not care that much about you.

One of the problems with the forum is you cannot assess the quality of the woman and how much demand she is in, so the guys who gripe about prices really do not know what they are talking about. Yeah, Mr. E is a master at getting the average women and below at a good price, but I could have cared less about that because I was not interested in that kind of woman.

And I am not sure about his later post. Yeah, there are times you do not get what you pay for, but there are times you absolutely do.

I was watching some YouTube videos the other day of walks thru el centro, man it looks rough. I really don't see why anyone would want to visit that area. I call bullshit on mongers who say they don't go for the cheap hookers, there's really nothing there to bother seeing.

It also made me think, what is the average centro rat age and appearance like?

Are there any non fat mongers under 40 that visit centro hookers? I would imagine your standards have to be really low if you do.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799308]I was watching some YouTube videos the other day of walks thru el centro, man it looks rough. I really don't see why anyone would want to visit that area. I call bullshit on mongers who say they don't go for the cheap hookers, there's really nothing there to bother seeing.

It also made me think, what is the average centro rat age and appearance like?

Are there any non fat mongers under 40 that visit centro hookers? I would imagine your standards have to be really low if you do.[/QUOTE]So, you look at videos of 2 blocks out of over 1,000 that are in El Centro and not only do you know everything about the entire area, but you know everything about everyone who has ever gone there. That's quite a skill.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799308]I was watching some YouTube videos the other day of walks thru el centro, man it looks rough. I really don't see why anyone would want to visit that area. [/QUOTE]I was watching some youtube videos the other day of a cow going from farm to table. It looked really horrible and gross. I do not see why anyone would want to eat meat, but boy do I love me a ribeye steak.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2799327]So, you look at videos of 2 blocks out of over 1,000 that are in El Centro and not only do you know everything about the entire area, but you know everything about everyone who has ever gone there. That's quite a skill.[/QUOTE]It's funny because I just made a comment on the medellin forum about a guy complaining why street girls give shitty bjs LOL. It's like no shit. What you expect? It's a street girl, she's not going to give you top service. She's just trying to get it over with. You see jbbe I don't even have to go there to know about simple things like that. Amazing isn't it?

You know what would be cool tho, when the new gta 6 game comes out that's set in Miami, rumor has it that you will be able to fly out to medellin. So maybe than we can all visit el centro LOL.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799308]Are there any non fat mongers under 40 that visit centro hookers? I would imagine your standards have to be really low if you do.[/QUOTE]What the fuck is it with you and the age thing? You will be 40 some day.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799712]It's funny because I just made a comment on the medellin forum about a guy complaining why street girls give shitty bjs LOL. It's like no shit. What you expect? It's a street girl, she's not going to give you top service. She's just trying to get it over with. You see jbbe I don't even have to go there to know about simple things like that. Amazing isn't it?

You know what would be cool tho, when the new gta 6 game comes out that's set in Miami, rumor has it that you will be able to fly out to medellin. So maybe than we can all visit el centro LOL.[/QUOTE]Yet, as many have reported over the years, those who frequent street girls in El Centro, who are seeking BJs are often able to find girls who meet or exceed their expectations.

It's the same with anything. Some people develop the skills needed to achieve their goals, others watch YouTube videos.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2799777]Yet, as many have reported over the years, those who frequent street girls in El Centro, who are seeking BJs are often able to find girls who meet or exceed their expectations.

It's the same with anything. Some people develop the skills needed to achieve their goals, others watch YouTube videos.[/QUOTE]I left something out.

There have also been years worth of reports from guys paying top dollar, for the best girls, and getting lousy BJs and overall crappy service.

Getting a good BJ (or a good anything else) requires good personal hygiene and 2 other things:

1. The ability to choose the best employee.

2. The ability to motivate that employee.

The world's greatest BJ queen will give a lousy BJ if you can't motivate her to put forth her best effort. A girl, who everyone says sucks at sucking, will rock your world if you're able to get her interested in the task.

Fools think that paying more guarantees success, but it doesn't. If it did, every CEO would have their job for life and everyone would be raving about the BJs at Loutron.

I've gotten some great BJs in Medellin, mainly because I don't spend any time looking at YouTube videos.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2799777]Yet, as many have reported over the years, those who frequent street girls in El Centro, who are seeking BJs are often able to find girls who meet or exceed their expectations.

It's the same with anything. Some people develop the skills needed to achieve their goals, others watch YouTube videos.[/QUOTE]YouTube is awesome.

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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798657]A couple of thoughts I left out.

1. Street smarts tells you that getting into a drinking contest with strangers is a bad idea.

Common sense tells you that getting drunk in public, in Medellin is also a bad idea.

Apparently, Paulie lacks both.

2. His silver plated Colombian friend had to have known robbing Paulie wasn't going to get him much money. I'm thinking he was drugged just because the guy was sick of listening to his incessant blabbering.[/QUOTE]This from the person who literally can't keep his mouth shut, whether in person or online, because that's all you have is your mouth. There were no drinking contests nor any drunkeness in public. The story was told to you in confidence and you betray that online when you got your feelings hurt because you are a scumbag without honor or personal integrity. You also refuse to tell the story as it was reported to you, making stuff along the way much of which is inconsistent. But I'm no longer going to engage with it as the story is in the open only because of betrayed confidence which is a dirtbag move.

Keep on drooping along, running your mouth to whomever will listen. Wink.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798926]That's quite likely. However, Paulie recovering his mental faculties after being drugged is like a quadriplegic recovering from a broken leg. It's still not something he'll ever be able to use.[/QUOTE]Your health problems are very real, and none of them learned by us via betrayed personal confidence. You have serious problems with a cardiac arrhythmia that you've been rushed to the hospital with several times. You've had fainting spells both in Medellin and at home. You also have chronic arthritis which likely is related to your drooping posture. You are as childish twit who betrays personal confidence and are living out your karma. Keep on passing out.

I got out of the drugging unscathed, health is great and lost little cash.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798518]
Villainy, how do you rate a $25 room, and a bare bones one at that? I think they charged me $80 the last time and the room was excellent. [/QUOTE]You've of course never stayed there and are just pulling prices out of your ass, as you do here and in person. You spout off whatever sounds good to you at the time, accuracy is always optional. You are a slimeball without integrity, living out your karma each time you are rushed to the ER. I'm not going to name the hotel as I won't give out a member's full time address, but you can search Google and get in there for 30 to 35 a night, and certainly less with a walk in. And even less paying a monthly rate negotiated during Covid. The place isn't a dump but it's basic.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798730]You discovered the classic traits of a "narcissist" by looking in the mirror![/QUOTE]Wow such a very creative insult, a grade school staple from the guy slumming in the 3rd World who can't afford to rent an apartment. But you get very excited here, jumping in your plastic backed chair at your Spartan desk in your mediocre hotel, first thing in the AM to see who might be abusing you in Stupid Shit. It's sad in to have so little going on in retirement.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2798675]
With the bedbugs, it is the same thing. Of course, you are completely right about them and they can be find in the finest establishments, but you have to understand what he is really saying. Bed bugs or lice would never be found on someone as great as him, and you are wasting your breath trying to convince him otherwise.[/QUOTE]This is simply common knowledge. I'll also add that the people with the least reason to act self-important are typically the ones doing so. That's because a pompous attitude is all that this Villiany twit has to show for a life's work. He's in a 3rd World hotel that can be booked online for about $30, while with any charm at all a much lower monthly rate could be negotiated. He can't afford an apartment, while anyone who calls him out he accuses of staying in "hostels," a venue I've never been to much less stayed in.

And he's likely already convinced that the bug scientists and pest control experts are correct, that brief checks when entering a new property regardless of the rates is a good idea. But it stopped being about that a long time ago. Now it's all about saving safe in Stupid Shit. Well have at it. LOL.

Dropping the mic.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798727]My room has two king size beds and lots of space and a large balcony. Not to mention the 24 hour reception desk, free breakfast, weight room, sauna and daily maid service. [/QUOTE]Who knows. We know you aren't using any excercise facilties as you told us you can't handle the hills in El Pablado. 24 hour reception is a selling point? Lolol Even your lowest end hotels have this. All we know for sure is that you are a proven liar, and the hotel you purport to stay at can be booked online for around 30 a night. We also know that you purported to negotiate a low monthly rate during Covid. You are likely in one of their more Spartan rooms. Now go steal some travel photos online. Wink.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2798727]They asked if that was the guy who got benzodiazepined by one of his "friends".[/QUOTE]It's a guy who works at a local shop I did business with, much more an associate than a friend. He may or may not have been involved. You also are using a story that was told in confidence and spilled here for revenge. I have never betrayed JJBee62's confidence, nor would I. How you feel about that is up to you, but it demonstrates that you aren't somone to be trusted and likely lack integrity in any sense.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798657]A couple of thoughts I left out.[/QUOTE]There's a lot that has been left out as of late, about the twit (you) who meets a sex worker online then moves to Colombia to rent a room from her. Within one year your entire life savings were blown while you were never paid a penny, by your admission for your work running her camera. In the aftermath you are crying to anyone who would listen about how mistreated you were, by her and her manager. They saw your effeminate ass coming while it took you an entire year to even muster up the balls to ask for some pay, of which you saw none. And that whole year, including the times I saw you you bragged away about how you were on the verge of making your fortune in the webcam business. Here we are talking about a sucker to the core, duped continually for a year, very different from a bad moment or a bad night.

But then we saw the last ditch Hail Mary, after crying to everyone online, when we tried to start your own studio but never hired anyone or were able to cut on hot water service. And he wants to talk about common sense or street smarts? Lolol That's just because he has to get involved some way, can't help himself.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2799817]I left something out.

There have also been years worth of reports from guys paying top dollar, for the best girls, and getting lousy BJs and overall crappy service.

Getting a good BJ (or a good anything else) requires good personal hygiene and 2 other things:

1. The ability to choose the best employee.

2. The ability to motivate that employee.

The world's greatest BJ queen will give a lousy BJ if you can't motivate her to put forth her best effort. A girl, who everyone says sucks at sucking, will rock your world if you're able to get her interested in the task.

Fools think that paying more guarantees success, but it doesn't. If it did, every CEO would have their job for life and everyone would be raving about the BJs at Loutron.

I've gotten some great BJs in Medellin, mainly because I don't spend any time looking at YouTube videos.[/QUOTE]Paying more does not guarantee success but greatly increases your odds. And while money and performance in bed have little correlation (but still a positive one), because there are other factors, chemistry being the most important, money can definitely buy better looks.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2799920]Paying more does not guarantee success but greatly increases your odds. And while money and performance in bed have little correlation (but still a positive one), because there are other factors, chemistry being the most important, money can definitely buy better looks.[/QUOTE]You also have to keep in mind the source here, JjBee62 who often pays a great deal but gets little if anything for it. Take for example the experience just noted, where beating off online he met a webcam girl, then sold his whole lot to run to Medellin and rent a room in her apartment. From there he spent his entire life savings, by his admission, plus gave a her one year of free labor running her camera. And he would have worked for free even longer if her manager didn't tell him to get his sniveling, effeminate ass out the door, which he promptly did, tail between the legs of his drooping posture.

And now, he thinks he has a "girlfriend" as he sends $ in response to all the hard luck stories while getting little for it. So consider the source. Right, wrong or indifference the JJBee62 ineptitude and hypocrisy are undeniable. That's very often the case with the resident "experts" here who are out to set new posting records. Most actually have little if any experience in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2799920]money can definitely buy better looks.[/QUOTE]Well Victoria Secret should have bought someone better looking than Tyra Banks. And still nobody has explained why all the chicks in the strip club or fuck house cost the same if that is the case. In Thailand they have soapies where the chicks are divided by different prices. In my opinion the more expensive ones look no better than the cheaper ones. I asked the manager how it is decided and he said that it is by age, tit size, and if the chick has kids. (I guess Elvis' ten would be in the lowest category there.) he said nothing like well fool can't you see that the more expensive ones look better.

JJBee was given permission to retell the drugging story as long as my personal or online identity wasn't attached. He never told it accurately and each new version changes. But later he decides to betray that confidence and connect one of his versions of the story to my online identity here. He admitted here that he betrayed that confidence, so I'm not willing to give it much airtime here. However anyone is welcome to PM me here and I'll share what went down that night.

P.S. I think what initially got him so hot and bothered and seeking retribution was when he claimed that strata one and two girls don't thank gringos for favors, that they must be at least strata three to do that. I laughed my ass off as the pseudo-intellectual tried to impose some class warfare model grabbed off leftist news media, then blocked me in Whatapp for telling him how stupid the idea was. Anyone here ever have a poorer Colombian girl thank them for a tip or other favor? Damned it's about constant. But JJBee wants to play intellectual without putting in the time at university, and shouldn't complain when he occasionally steps on his dick. Yo.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2799888]You've of course never stayed there and are just pulling prices out of your ass, as you do here and in person. You spout off whatever sounds good to you at the time, accuracy is always optional. You are a slimeball without integrity, living out your karma each time you are rushed to the ER. I'm not going to name the hotel as I won't give out a member's full time address, but you can search Google and get in there for 30 to 35 a night, and certainly less with a walk in. And even less paying a monthly rate negotiated during Covid. The place isn't a dump but it's basic.[/QUOTE]I did stay there. Mayof 2022, although just overnight. I posted about it here. Had to park in the street to check in and then took 2 trips driving around to find the parking garage entrance (it's on Carrera 69).

I'll post the name, as Villainy has posted it more than once, as have others. Hotel Dorado La 70. Attached is a photo of a quote for July 10 from Booking and a photo of my last stay. I also checked the price for tomorrow night, pretty cheap at $56, well above your make believe price. I was wrong about the price I paid. I paid over $100.

Now, what were you saying about integrity?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2799911]Who knows. We know you aren't using any excercise facilties as you told us you can't handle the hills in El Pablado. 24 hour reception is a selling point? Lolol Even your lowest end hotels have this. All we know for sure is that you are a proven liar, and the hotel you purport to stay at can be booked online for around 30 a night. We also know that you purported to negotiate a low monthly rate during Covid. You are likely in one of their more Spartan rooms. Now go steal some travel photos online. Wink.

It's a guy who works at a local shop I did business with, much more an associate than a friend. He may or may not have been involved. You also are using a story that was told in confidence and spilled here for revenge. I have never betrayed JJBee62's confidence, nor would I. How you feel about that is up to you, but it demonstrates that you aren't somone to be trusted and likely lack integrity in any sense.[/QUOTE]Funny. I was just in Villainy's room, December 26. My girlfriend's family had, among the other gifts, given me a 6 pack of Stella Artois and a bottle of Bailey's. Since he frequently has women over, and since Bailey's goes over well, and since he drinks better beer than the cheapest available which you drink, I regifted before we went to lunch. 2 king beds and a balcony, just as he said.

He and I discussed his hotel about 3 years ago. A friend of mine was considering staying in Laureles and I asked Villainy about Dorado La 70. At the time he told me that there was a chica fee with the basic room, but no fee if you were in a deluxe room. If I remember correctly, he stated his price at that time as $90. However, at that time, the exchange rate was around 3600.

Anyone and everyone can go check what the room rate is, for the cheapest room and for the deluxe. The can check hotel amenities and look at room photos and read reviews. Then they can decide whether or not you are being honest, or just making up a story.

Now, if he was really needing to save money, he could be staying at Hotel 47 Street. The last time the aforementioned friend stayed there, he got a rate of $17 per night by dealing directly with the hotel.

Of course you would never betray anything I told you in confidence. I would never tell you anything in confidence, even before you went completely psychotic. You would however, just as an example, betray things which were only posted on my Facebook and not intended for ISG. Or, another example, send PMs to others revealing private information about me. Maybe it's time to climb down off your high horse.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2799912]There's a lot that has been left out as of late, about the twit (you) who meets a sex worker online then moves to Colombia to rent a room from her. Within one year your entire life savings were blown while you were never paid a penny, by your admission for your work running her camera. In the aftermath you are crying to anyone who would listen about how mistreated you were, by her and her manager. They saw your effeminate ass coming while it took you an entire year to even muster up the balls to ask for some pay, of which you saw none. And that whole year, including the times I saw you you bragged away about how you were on the verge of making your fortune in the webcam business. Here we are talking about a sucker to the core, duped continually for a year, very different from a bad moment or a bad night.

But then we saw the last ditch Hail Mary, after crying to everyone online, when we tried to start your own studio but never hired anyone or were able to cut on hot water service. And he wants to talk about common sense or street smarts? Lolol That's just because he has to get involved some way, can't help himself.[/QUOTE]Can't get over that obsession, can you?

You do understand that hot water service isn't "turned on. " Right? There isn't a system of hot water piping running under the streets of Medellin. The city doesn't turn off your hot water if you don't pay your hot water bill. It requires a hot water heater. In Colombia they mostly use in-line heaters, instead of the tank style common in the US. The apartment had no water heater, which is quite common in Medellin, especially in older buildings. One of the 3 bathrooms had a shower head heater, but it wasn't working. After a couple of weeks of cold showers, I bought a new shower head heater, installed it and had nice hot showers. I might have done it sooner, but it wasn't a priority.

This probably seems strange to you, but I don't usually see the point in telling everything that has happened to me over the past 6 years, every time I respond to something. If someone asks me where's a good place to stay in Medellin, I don't first tell them 2300 days worth of my life before suggesting a hotel. Should I? You seem upset that I'm not posting about an entire year of my life, a year that ended 5 years ago, on at least a weekly basis, but then you complain my posts are too long.

Since I'm here, let's correct at least one of your errors. I never started a webcam studio. An expat friend wanted to start one and asked me to work with him. That started well before the other events which you keep misrepresenting. You're right that I never hired anyone. I wasn't in charge of hiring. I did bring in 2 models, 3 if you include that one cammed with her boyfriend. But too little, too late.

Let's correct one other thing, for I think the 5th time. I never rented an apartment, from anyone. For 1 year, I paid no rent. I did pay utilities. Small price to pay for what amounted to a 1 year vacation. It's pretty funny that you now keep making the false claim that I rented an apartment, when initially you were calling me a freeloader because I wasn't paying rent. I guess that's just more of the Paulie integrity.

I enjoy every time you bring up this stuff. I look back at it all and smile. I met a bunch of great people and 1 psychopath, made a bunch of friends and have a lot of incredible memories.

Here's 1 that I was just reminded of on Valentine's Day. I didn't post about it, but I made a very short trip to Bogota over Valentine's Day, only in Bogota for 36 hours. Had a flight credit I needed to use with Delta. Delta flies to Bogota. Had my girlfriend meet me in Bogota and we spent 2 nights together.

On Valentine's Day we met up with my old roommate for lunch. We met up with her at her mother's house and her mother was thrilled to see me again. She showed me an item of mine I had forgotten at the apartment and had figured was gone forever. Then she asked me for a recipe.

The first time she came, along with her mother, to visit my roommate in Medellin, I cooked a simple casserole. It wasn't anything special, quick, easy and cheap to make. It wasn't even something I cooked for them, as I didn't know they were coming until I had started. I left it out to cool and headed out for a few hours. When I returned, it was all gone. They had eaten the whole thing.

A simple dish, made nearly 6 years ago, and she remembered it and wanted to know how to make it. How great is that? We had a great lunch, talked, laughed and just enjoyed ourselves for a few hours. Then it was time to go back to the hotel and give my girlfriend her Valentine's presents. If you want, I can upload the hotel room information. The price was more than $25 per day.

In the end, getting "duped" for a full year cost me around $25,000. That's right. I spent $25 k to take a 1 year vacation in Medellin, took 3 months of Spanish classes, got a new laptop, a new guitar, and new clothes. During that year I lost 60# and walked, on average, 30 miles per week. I learned my way around Poblado, Envigado, Itagui, El Centro and Laureles. I visited casas, strip clubs, the Mansion and dozens of restaurants. Let's not forget the dozens of women I fucked. As a result, if I ever want to take advantage of it, I have a free place to stay in Bogota and no shortage of people in Medellin I can hang out with (and none of them try to drug and rob me, although 1 would sell me weed if I wanted some). The only guy who you could find to hang out with you didn't care if he killed you.

So who really lost during that year? You got drugged and robbed and blew any chance of ever having a friend in Medellin and I walked away with dozens of friends, a ton of new experiences and a bunch of memories. The only downside is I picked up an obsessed nutcase who stalks my Facebook.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2799881]This from the person who literally can't keep his mouth shut, whether in person or online, because that's all you have is your mouth. There were no drinking contests nor any drunkeness in public. The story was told to you in confidence and you betray that online when you got your feelings hurt because you are a scumbag without honor or personal integrity. You also refuse to tell the story as it was reported to you, making stuff along the way much of which is inconsistent. But I'm no longer going to engage with it as the story is in the open only because of betrayed confidence which is a dirtbag move.

Keep on drooping along, running your mouth to whomever will listen. Wink.[/QUOTE]Is this true jbbee? Did you really betray this mans confidence? That doesn't sound like what a stand up guy would do. I was looking forward to meeting you but now I'm not sure. I hope this isn't true.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2800057]Is this true jbbee? Did you really betray this mans confidence? That doesn't sound like what a stand up guy would do. I was looking forward to meeting you but now I'm not sure. I hope this isn't true.[/QUOTE]Calling him a man is a bit of a stretch.

As I've said too many times, Paulie came looking for me, told me his story, asked me to write his story and asked me to keep his name out of it.

Before I get to that, here's a side note. Just days before he got drugged I had posted my doubts about some of the druggings. They were always reported as happening to someone else. If a married man goes to Medellin for business and ends up spending $2000 on hookers, drugs and booze. "I was drugged and robbed" makes a convenient excuse and prevents an expensive divorce.

What I didn't consider was that many mongers are too embarrassed to report when bad things happen, so they either don't report it, or get someone else to do it.

On Paulie's previous visit we had hung out a few times. He had told me about a Venezuelan girl who he was trying to fuck. All his attempts failed and he spent a bit of money in his efforts. His last attempt involved buying pizza for her and all the Venezuelan street rats she hung out with. That failed too. He hit my Whatsapp complaining, none of the street rats thanked him for the pizza. He was furious. I asked him what he expected from a bunch of street rats? He acted like spending $10-$20 should have caused them to worship him.

I suppose I should have told him he was justified to kill them all for their failure to laud him for such an awesome act of charity, but I just didn't see the problem. If he had passed out at the bar they would have emptied his pockets. If they had found him on a dark street they would have robbed him. They'd probably never thanked anyone in their lives and I doubt cheap pizza was going to change things.

My response caused all that rage to be directed at me. Message after message, full of anger and insults. It went on for most of the day. Once the abuse stopped, I made a peace offering. I suggested that he was stressed because he was in a rut, drinking beer all day, going to the same cheap casas each day and the same cheap strip clubs at night. I made the offer to take him out of his rut, show him more of Medellin, without the constant diet of viagra and Pilsen. All expenses paid by me, just a day to relax. His response was "Fuck You. ".

About a month later I was arguing with a troll online and the guy says something about someone telling him I didn't know anything about Medellin and that nobody could stand to be around me. I didn't mention Paulie by name but told the guy only 1 person could have told him that. Paulie sent me a PM admitting he had tried to backstab me. He never apologized for his earlier psycho outburst, or for his passive-aggressive attack, but he was a bit more humble. We kept in contact through PM for a few weeks.

Then he showed up in Lleras and the next day told his story. I reported it as it was told and then all hell broke loose. My PMs were pounded by complaints that I had told the story wrong, over the minor detail of how the whiskey was bought. He had mentioned whiskey, he had mentioned shots. I assumed shots of whiskey were bought. I didn't consider someone buying a bottle.

He was still anonymous, it didn't really change the story, but he was furious, unloading abuse at me, until I finally got tired of it. I put him on ignore, posted his name and told everyone they could ask him about it.

So yes, I betrayed his confidence. That's just how I am. If you treat me like a friend, or just are indifferent to me, I'll keep your secrets. If you constantly attack me, pass out my private information to people with bad intentions towards me and both publicly and privately insult me, I no longer have any obligation to protect you.

I gave him 3 chances. That's 2 more than he deserved. Once I realized that Bipolar cycle was going to constantly repeat, I put myself outside the loop. Now he can only show his true face and it limits the number of people who will be subjected to his outbursts.

Of course it leaves him stuck with repeating the same story, although he never tells it the same, about my life 6 years ago. I suppose he thinks it will someday destroy me, but it backfires. Usually after he repeats it I'll get a few PMs asking about webcam or webcam models. And it always makes me happy to look back on one of the best years of my life.

I will close with a minor defense of Paulie. When he told me the story about being drugged, he was still foggy. There were lapses in his memory and he was trying to stitch together the bits he could remember. It's understandable that as he remembered more fragments he would change his story.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2799925]You also have to keep in mind the source here, JjBee62 who often pays a great deal but gets little if anything for it. Take for example the experience just noted, where beating off online he met a webcam girl, then sold his whole lot to run to Medellin and rent a room in her apartment. From there he spent his entire life savings, by his admission, plus gave a her one year of free labor running her camera. And he would have worked for free even longer if her manager didn't tell him to get his sniveling, effeminate ass out the door, which he promptly did, tail between the legs of his drooping posture.

And now, he thinks he has a "girlfriend" as he sends $ in response to all the hard luck stories while getting little for it. So consider the source. Right, wrong or indifference the JJBee62 ineptitude and hypocrisy are undeniable. That's very often the case with the resident "experts" here who are out to set new posting records. Most actually have little if any experience in Medellin.[/QUOTE]And he's off. His medication.

You can't even make it 2 days without changing your story. Which at this point is definitely your story because nothing much of my story remains.

I see you are still spending an unhealthy amount of time fantasizing about me masturbating. You caught me about 10 years too late, or you could have paid a small fee and watched.

Again, never rented an apartment, except for the ones through Airbnb, never for more than 2 weeks. The apartment (first of 2) wasn't "her apartment. " It was an apartment she rented to use as a webcam studio. She lived elsewhere. The other person living there was a webcam model who remains a close friend.

Nobody "runs" a webcam model's cam. A monitor provides direction to the model, helps with translation and often handles chat and PMs. Everything with the cam is handled by the model, since the monitor isn't in the same room. Often they're not in the same building or even the same country. I worked as a monitor, but I wasn't a monitor for either the webcam model who had leased the apartment, or the webcam model who lived there.

Funny thing about my girlfriend. She never tells me hardluck stories. At least she never tells them and asks for money. For example, shortly before Christmas her grandmother was in the hospital for knee surgery. She never asked for anything. Well, she did ask for 1 thing. Since her car was in the shop (alternator, which she also forgot to ask me to pay for) and since I had a rental car, she asked if I would go pick up grandma from the hospital. I did. It was fun talking with 4 Colombian women from 3 generations, although the traffic sucked.

That sort of stuff happens all the time. Car breaks down, someone gets sick, pet gets sick. I hear about it, but I don't get asked to pay for it. That doesn't mean I don't pay for things, or give her money. Thanks to me she now has a rather impressive collection of sex toys and lingerie. I'm sure it seems like a lot of money to you, but you consider the price difference between Pilsen and Club Colombia an almost insurmountable financial hurdle.

Do I get very little out of it? I get enough, at least enough for me. Besides, she easily fits within my budget. Are you upset because you can only afford cheap hotels and the cheapest casas? It's not my fault you lack any marketable skills. After all, you completely freaked out over the price of a pizza. Or are you upset because I can remain sane long enough to develop and maintain relationships?