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[QUOTE=Myrrh; 1404804]OK, but I thought that these sort of places, Arabella / VV / Grimberg and so on tended to operate pretty much the same kind of policies and enforce them in the same way.
Some of them have the same management team.[/QUOTE]Still on the same day I found two different pricing models at Arabella and Grimberg.
HB
Today (Sunday) I arrived to FKK Alina at about 4 PM. I spotted too many parked cars around. TF apologized that she has no lockers available and pointed on the empty board with the key hangers. I looked around. Ambiance is similar to V-Venus & Arabella. All sofas occupied by the mongers. Men were sitting two on one sofa. I saw 5 or 6 girls. Not attractive at all. I assume that all doable girls working in the rooms. I concluded that this is my luck that she had no single key left for me.
No regrets! I am renting very nice two-door loaded Audi 3. Nice weather, driving is enjoyable. In 20 minus I pushed bell button at V-Venus. The picture is just opposite. Very empty place. But girls are familiar. Average session with Lisa and as usually unforgettable with Aida.
Day before I was in Arabella. The only two things better in Arabella. This is TF and more private entrance that is not so open to the street. TF is tall, stylish woman with bearable English. Everything else is better in V-Venus. I don't see any reason switch from V-Venus I visit on regular base to Arabella or Alina.
One moment at Arabella. After first-session-shower I sat down on the sofa. I did not see girls purse on the floor beside. It was no towel on the sofa girls usually keep to indicate that place is occupied. So I did not know that this sofa is occupied. In a few moments young and fairly attractive girl approached and sat down beside me. I was a bit surprised that she sat right on the sofa without towel. This is not typical for the girls. As she sits she started hugging and caressing me. TF watched this for a couple of minutes and than called the girl and sent her to laundry room for fresh towels. It seems that she watches whats going on in the main room. I consider this moment as a positive characteristic of Arabella.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1408304]Today (Sunday) I arrived to FKK Alina at about 4 PM. I spotted too many parked cars around. TF apologized that she has no lockers available and pointed on the empty board with the key hangers. I looked around. Ambiance is similar to V-Venus & Arabella. All sofas occupied by the mongers. Men were sitting two on one sofa. I saw 5 or 6 girls. Not attractive at all. I assume that all doable girls working in the rooms. I concluded that this is my luck that she had no single key left for me.
No regrets! I am renting very nice two-door loaded Audi 3. Nice weather, driving is enjoyable. In 20 minus I pushed bell button at V-Venus. The picture is just opposite. Very empty place. But girls are familiar. Average session with Lisa and as usually unforgettable with Aida.
Day before I was in Arabella. The only two things better in Arabella. This is TF and more private entrance that is not so open to the street. TF is tall, stylish woman with bearable English. Everything else is better in V-Venus. I don't see any reason switch from V-Venus I visit on regular base to Arabella or Alina.
One moment at Arabella. After first-session-shower I sat down on the sofa. I did not see girls purse on the floor beside. It was no towel on the sofa girls usually keep to indicate that place is occupied. So I did not know that this sofa is occupied. In a few moments young and fairly attractive girl approached and sat down beside me. I was a bit surprised that she sat right on the sofa without towel. This is not typical for the girls. As she sits she started hugging and caressing me. TF watched this for a couple of minutes and than called the girl and sent her to laundry room for fresh towels. It seems that she watches whats going on in the main room. I consider this moment as a positive characteristic of Arabella.[/QUOTE]Agree totlly about V Venus superior to Arabella.
Slightly bigger place, more girls to choose from. And yes, Aida is a sure bet.
After my first, failed attempt at a partytreff (see report in the Krefeld Bareback AO Parties thread) , I headed immediately for Villa Venus. What a breath of fresh air. When I rang the bell a pretty young girl with nipples that could poke your eyes out met me at the door. A Venn diagram of the beauty and sexiness of the girls at VV and the Krefeld party would show almost no overlap.
The desk woman doesn't speak English so she ask the very large (but quite charming) German man she was talking to to explain the layout.
The only hard part of VV was making the selection. But I decided to just sit down and take a chance. I sat by Maya (I never saw her name written, so I may have it wrong). She wasn't the prettiest girl in the room. She is small, with a nice smile (but not pretty teeth) and tits with a slight sag to them. But her ass and body were quite enticing. She didn't speak English, but I was in no mood to quibble. Soon she was kissing me like a long-lost boyfriend. And she has some neck-licking talents that had me ready for a room. Maya was in no rush, but we finally went upstairs. In the room I fell in love for an hour. It may have been my most enjoyable pay sex experience. In the room she was everything the Krefeld girls had not been: erotic, loving, attentive. He body responses were completely believable. Her pussy got soaking wet, she squeezed my arms at the appropriate time while I was licking her, and in every way gave me the hour of my life. She also had a cute giggle in response to my words that communicated that while she didn't understand the words, she did get the sentiment.
So that was the good, the very good about VV. What was bizarre was the pricing structure. I still don't understand it. When I entered I paid €60. €30 to enter and €30 for my first 30-minute session. There was a whiteboard sign that said something like "eine stunde, everything included €120". Mixing my languages a bit. I didn't understand what it applied to, but I assumed it was some special thing outside the normal price structure.
When I came down from my hour with Maya, the desk woman asked for another €60, and pointed to the sign. I was a bit dumbfounded. I had already paid €30 for the first half hour, which meant that the second half hour cost €60.
Later I talked to michela, who spoke English, and she confirmed that that was indeed the pricing structure. After talking to michela for awhile, I decided to have a session with her. When we were talking she asked if I came from Holland, I said no, USA. Here eyes lit up as she rhapsodized over NY, which she knows only from film. But it was a nice change from the typical reactions we Americans get these days. In the room Michela continued to be charming. And her body responses during sex were just as believable as Maya's. Either they enjoyed it or the girls at VV have a great acting coach. I did keep track of the time to avoid the 1-hour surcharge. I confirmed again with michela that if we stayed one hour it would be €120, which in that case would have made the second half hour €90. Bizarre.
I'd appreciate it if one of you German speakers could get an explanation of their pricing structure.
Thanks. Pac
[QUOTE=PacificRim; 1409466]I was a bit dumbfounded.
I'd appreciate it if one of you German speakers could get an explanation of their pricing structure.[/QUOTE]I must say I'm experiencing a similar sensation just now; regarding the dumbfounded-part.
On the website it says: "Half an hour Wedding Night, all extras included. 1*60 €, 2* 90 €, 3* 110 €." Suggests to me a price structure like at Grimbergsauna, meaning 60 € for one half-hour-session; 90 € for 2 sessions ans 110 € for 3 sessions.
After reading your report, I can only conclude that it means 60 € for the first half hour with another 60 € for each additional half hour, unless you pay the 90 or 100 € right upfront. [url]http://fkk-venus.com/site/1.html[/url]
So you propably would have had to pay 110 € upfront to get three half-hour sessions for that price. It's a good thing that you had so much fun that you still considered it worth it.
I went back the next night. The same signs were up. I paid 60 for the entry and the first half hour in the room. When I took Michaela up FLR another go round, I stayed 30 min and paid €30 after the session. I don't know what's going on, but I'm not going for an hour until I get a clarification.
By the way, I have a bit of a crush on Michaela.
Nothing strange about the prices: management doesn't want girls to be in the room too long. It's pretty busy and if it where 30 for each half an hour, my two half hours with Michaela would have probably been 2 hours each and my session with Alina at least one hour. I did see some guys who got caught out by this pricing and there was a retard who spent 3 hours in the room and thought his 60 entrance would cover this 'one time spass'. I could see a bit of a crush developing with Michaela as well, what a sweetheart.
ETA it is indeed 30 for the first half an hour and 90 for the second half an hour; they just want the girls back quickly.
Sorry I didn't understand well the price system of VV.
When you arrived in the VV you need to pay the entrance in advance or you have the possibility to stay inside the club, to see all the girls and later to choose 1 or 2 half hour?
If I have to pay: if I paid 60€: I paid the entrance and a half hour?
But if I paid 90€: I have two half hours with 2 girls or 1 hour with 1 girl?
Right?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Farfally7; 1411389]When you arrived in the VV you need to pay the entrance in advance or you have the possibility to stay inside the club, to see all the girls and later to choose 1 or 2 half hour?
If I have to pay: if I paid 60€: I paid the entrance and a half hour?
But if I paid 90€: I have two half hours with 2 girls or 1 hour with 1 girl?
Right?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Wrong. If you pay €90 you can spend a half hour with each of two different girls. But if you stay a full hour with one girl, you pay a total of 120 for the hour with the one girl.
The three times I was there last week, they didn't give the option to pay 90 at the start. You pay 60 when you enter. That covers entry fee and a half hour with one girl. If you stay an hour as I did, the thenkefrau asks you for an additional 60 on the spot. When I went for another half hour session later, she asked for 30 when I came down with the girl.
Free Dude's explanation makes sense, they are trying to rush you through. It's the McDonald's approach to an FKK, but in my experience they serve Kobe beef.
Free Dude. Did someone give you that explanation for their approach? Or are you guessing based on your experience and the only logical explanation you could come up with?
[QUOTE=PacificRim;1411629]The three times I was there last week, they didn't give the option to pay 90 at the start. You pay 60 when you enter. That covers entry fee and a half hour with one girl. If you stay an hour as I did, the thenkefrau asks you for an additional 60 on the spot. When I went for another half hour session later, she asked for 30 when I came down with the girl.[/QUOTE]Same for me: I had to pay 60 upfront, this included a 30min session. The next session I had I paid in cash at the reception, was another 30EUR. The cost for 1 hour with one girl was never mentioned. I would have protested if I'd been 60min and they would have demanded another 60EUR for the second half hour. What if you take a girl for 30min, leave the room for 5min, pay her and take her back to the room? 60 or 90 EUR for the two 30min sessions?
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1411644]Same for me: I had to pay 60 upfront, this included a 30min session. The next session I had I paid in cash at the reception, was another 30EUR. The cost for 1 hour with one girl was never mentioned. I would have protested if I'd been 60min and they would have demanded another 60EUR for the second half hour. What if you take a girl for 30min, leave the room for 5min, pay her and take her back to the room? 60 or 90 EUR for the two 30min sessions?
HB[/QUOTE]When I was there they also had a whiteboard sign announcing the €120 for one hour, everything included. (As best I could tell that's what it said.). As I said earlier, I just thought it referred to some special deal. For example, Pay €120 and have at it with as many girls as you could squeeze in during the hour. The only support for this lame theory is that the TF wrote down my time of entry on the wrist card.
The main reason I didn't protest is that the TF doesn't speak English. She pointed to the whiteboard as support for her position. The secondary reason was I had just had one of the best sessions of my life and I couldn't put together a simple declarative sentence in any language.
Of course, your 5 minute break hypothetical is precisely why I found the whole thing so bizarre. And I think it would probably just be another €30 in that case. But damned if I know.
Nobody ever told me, but the sign is pretty clear and the reasoning came up by talking to some regulars. I did see one guy get caught out, and not having to pay because the girl hadn't told him. I think this can't happen too often, otherwise girls would conveniently forget this all the time and spend hours up there. I got the distinct feeling some girls weren't maximizing their zimmers and were happy to 'sleep' in the room for another ten minutes after sex, and I didn't manage to get any girl upstairs within 20 minutes of sitting down next to her. The usual kissing presales, but also just cuddling up and talking to friends / smoking / drinking red bull / etc.
For which clubs does the 1 hour rule apply? All of the three? Are there signs up in all three clubs?
HB
Haven't seen it at arabella and I also think Alina doesn't have this rule; in these places you have to decide on the number of sessions beforehand; so if you spend more than a hour and a half, you need to buy a new card (and the club gets another entry fee). No clue about Grimberg.
Is it just me or is anyone else completely bamboozled by the discussions / explanations provided by the last few posts?
I have only ever visited FKK Arabella of the clubs mentioned and found the pricing policy there daft to say the least. Normally there you buy a ticket for either 60/90/110 euros for entrance and 1/2/3 30 minute sessions. However on some other days they have a different policy where you pay an entrance of 30 euros and then 30 euros for each 30 minute session.
For Villa Venus club entry the discussion seems to be saying that you pay 30 euros for each 30 minute session but 60 euros for each extra 30 minutes over your initial 30 minute session rather than the to be expected 30 euros. So double the rate for extending your session!
WTF? How does this make sense?
People have been justifying it by saying that the club needs the girls to return back quickly because they are in demand. But why don't they just charge you 30 euros for each extra 30 minutes that you spend, as this is what the girl would have earned anyway if she went with another customer?
OK, one guy who is keen on a girl may decide to keep her tied up for long periods of time but as long as he is paying what the girl would have earned anyway then what is the problem that the club has with this?
Some guys may get annoyed that some popular girl may get tied up for hours on end with one customer but if the customer is paying as he goes along then that is his privilege, no? It's tough luck, he got there first! If you are that keen on a particular girl then get there early and tie her up for as long as you want (as long as you keep paying of course).
If the club is keen for a girl to be busy with one customer for no longer than 30 minutes then you could find that a customer is forced to finish with a girl after 30 minutes and she goes back to sit around for a while because no other customers are ready to take her to the room. After some time has elapsed and the customer finds that no one else is taking her then he may decide to take her again but by this time she may have lost some time that she could have been charging had she stayed with that customer.
There is a danger for the club with this policy that customer may feel that the 'momentum' has been lost and as a result he no longer wants to take the girl to room. Whereas if there was not this interruption then he may well have continued (and kept paying).
So I just don't understand this policy. If someone has already paid half an hour for a girl then he should have the priority to keep going (as long as he keeps paying).
One of the posts below even said that someone was charged 120 euros for one hour with a girl where he would have been charged 60 euros if there was a break between two separate 30 minute sessions.
This is just daft. As they say there's nowt as queer as some German Sauna club owner folk!