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Duque suspends entry of travelers to the country for 30 days, including Colombians.
[URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/duque-suspende-ingreso-de-viajeros-al-pais-durante-30-dias-incluidos-colombianos?fbclid=IwAR0gbKh5aseLezQoDiHGd7Ro3oTroJ-SSaqApNLQ_XIdhB9jauuAZ8UEmi8[/URL]
[QUOTE=TyDown;2435901]Dude, Chloroquine has been peer reviewed over and over as effective against the coronavirus. NEWS FLASH - "coronavirus" has been around for a long, LONG time, same virus that causes the common cold. Nothing new here.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/[/URL][/QUOTE]Jesus H man. I do not want to be in a pissing contest with you but there is more than one "coronavirus". The specific one we are dealing with is called COVID-19 - the article you are referencing here is about SARS-CoV. I said that the guy in the video said that study was peer reviewed and it was not. Not because it was a bad study but there just has not been time for it to be reviewed.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2435902]Duque suspends entry of travelers to the country for 30 days, including Colombians.
[URL]https://www.lafm.com.co/colombia/duque-suspende-ingreso-de-viajeros-al-pais-durante-30-dias-incluidos-colombianos?fbclid=IwAR0gbKh5aseLezQoDiHGd7Ro3oTroJ-SSaqApNLQ_XIdhB9jauuAZ8UEmi8[/URL][/QUOTE]Totally smart move on his part, maybe I should of stayed instead of leaving. Besides the bitching about Gusto's on the Medellin thread, it sounds like a field day for those either stuck in Medellin or there by choice, hopefully this measure, and others taken by the Colombian Government will help it to avoid the holocausts that have, and / or going to occur in other Countries, including the USA in various parts.
[QUOTE=TyDown;2435901]Dude, Chloroquine has been peer reviewed over and over as effective against the coronavirus. NEWS FLASH - "coronavirus" has been around for a long, LONG time, same virus that causes the common cold. Nothing new here.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm curious. Do you know what a peer reviewed study is?
COVID-19 hasn't been around a long time. It was first identified in December. The other severe, human transmittable strains of coronavirus, MERS and SARS, have only been around since 2012 and 2002. The other, milder strains have been around longer, and identified as human pathogens for 60 years.
In 2009 a peer reviewed study showed that chloroquine was effective at reducing the viral load of coronavirus in mice. It used the strain of coronavirus which is responsible for 10-30% of common colds.
Chloroquine is currently being studied to determine effectiveness against the COVID-19 strain of coronavirus. Results are promising. There will first be further trials before it's approved.
This is not a cure. It's not a vaccine. It has the potential to reduce the amount of virus in the body, in order to allow a person to recover. In other words, it may be (probably) useful to keep people with severe cases from dying.
It doesn't mean the pandemic is over. I doesn't mean everything pops right back to normal. It means we should soon be able to keep more patients alive. Certainly that's good news.
What you've failed to consider is that it will not prevent the spread of disease. It won't reduce the number of hospitalizations for the disease. It just means less people who go to the hospital will leave in body bags.
Here's the article on the 2009 study:
[URL]https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416[/URL]
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2435903]Jesus H man. I do not want to be in a pissing contest with you but there is more than one "coronavirus". The specific one we are dealing with is called COVID-19 - the article you are referencing here is about SARS-CoV. I said that the guy in the video said that study was peer reviewed and it was not. Not because it was a bad study but there just has not been time for it to be reviewed.[/QUOTE]That's exactly why I posted that link, to point out that the coronavirus has been around for a long time, and the fact that Chloroquine is very effective against the coronavirus historically, and by all indications, is very effective against coronavirus in its current form. Okay, I'll give it to you, in this latest trials, there hasn't been enough time for peer reviews, I'm down with that. That's true. You got me. But to say I'm posing hyperbole and being irresponsible is just bullshit.
How many strains of coronavirus currently known? According to the CDC, there is 7 strains that human can contract. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html[/URL].
When was coronavirus detected? 1960's.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2435903]Jesus H man. I do not want to be in a pissing contest with you but there is more than one "coronavirus". The specific one we are dealing with is called COVID-19 - the article you are referencing here is about SARS-CoV. I said that the guy in the video said that study was peer reviewed and it was not. Not because it was a bad study but there just has not been time for it to be reviewed.[/QUOTE]SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. COVID-19 is the disease it causes.
[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2435915]SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. COVID-19 is the disease it causes.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected on that the current virus being called Sars-Cov-2 but the one that the paper he posted mentioned was SARS-Cov.
[QUOTE=TyDown;2435840]Chloroquine 100% effective against coronavirus. Probably can buy it OTC in Colombia. Pandemic is over. I still have some from my Africa days.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInV44ujWDM[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TyDown;2435914]That's exactly why I posted that link, to point out that the coronavirus has been around for a long time, and the fact that Chloroquine is very effective against the coronavirus historically, and by all indications, is very effective against coronavirus in its current form. Okay, I'll give it to you, in this latest trials, there hasn't been enough time for peer reviews, I'm down with that. That's true. You got me. But to say I'm posing hyperbole and being irresponsible is just bullshit.
How many strains of coronavirus currently known? According to the CDC, there is 7 strains that human can contract. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html[/URL].
When was coronavirus detected? 1960's.[/QUOTE]"Pandemic is over" were your words. That is hyperbole and if it gives anyone who reads it enough incentive to stop taking precautions than I would consider it irresponsible. 90% of what you post is useful as hell information. Seriously.
I'm not trying to be a dick, look at it this way, as the moderator of this thread I have a "delete post" option at the bottom of each post. Would only use that if someone was out of control attacking someone or broke forum rules etc.
But also I am quarantined for 14 days and I need intelligent people to argue with LOL. I have already learned a little today but would not have if I had not challenged you a little to go dig up more information. That last URL you posted from the CDC. Swear to god I had that page pulled up from a search and was about to post the link when you posted LOL.
"If you choose to travel internationally, your travel plans may be severely disrupted, and you may be forced to remain outside of the United States for an indefinite timeframe. ".
[URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/ea/travel-advisory-alert-global-level-4-health-advisory-issue.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2435834]Are you comparing total number of deaths or death rate? Most deaths in China are in one region.[/QUOTE]I am comparing total deaths because we don't really know the death rate. Unless everyone was tested, we would not know the number of cases. So the death rate we are seeing is pretty much useless. For the coronavirus, it is now at about 1.5% in the US, and earlier reports showed it at 3.4%.
I don't know the relevance of most deaths in China are in one region. A majority of the deaths in the US are in two states.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2435973]So the death rate we are seeing is pretty much useless.[/QUOTE]No its not useless. Its an actual count of people who died. Do you see how that is different than confirmed cases?
They had to get a the military to help bury the bodies in Italy. That's how serious this pandemic is.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2435920]
But also I am quarantined for 14 days and I need intelligent people to argue with LOL. I have already learned a little today but would not have if I had not challenged you a little to go dig up more information. That last URL you posted from the CDC. Swear to god I had that page pulled up from a search and was about to post the link when you posted LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for creating this thread, lots of good info here. If our paths ever cross, the beer is on me! Cheers.
You guys in Medellin now reporting things as basically normal. Best of luck. You may be there for the duration. And all of us hope it doesn't get as bad there as in Europe. And Europe is not showing any signs of slowing down. Italy now has had more deaths than China, and it is growing in an exponential manner.
It probably is there now, and when that becomes evident all hell will break loose. I can't even imagine how the city would function without transit, metro, etc. And, like other places everything in casas etc. Will be shut down. It's not like the authorities don't know they are there. They are the customers after all.
And great medical care. Sure, for the first few patients that need respirators. Then. Good luck if you get serious. But that's true everywhere. USA included.
So as long as you don't have to touch anything, or get closer than a couple of yards. Have fun.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2435989]You guys in Medellin now reporting things as basically normal. Best of luck. You may be there for the duration. And all of us hope it doesn't get as bad there as in Europe. And Europe is not showing any signs of slowing down. Italy now has had more deaths than China, and it is growing in an exponential manner.
It probably is there now, and when that becomes evident all hell will break loose. I can't even imagine how the city would function without transit, metro, etc. And, like other places everything in casas etc. Will be shut down. It's not like the authorities don't know they are there. They are the customers after all.
And great medical care. Sure, for the first few patients that need respirators. Then. Good luck if you get serious. But that's true everywhere. USA included.
So as long as you don't have to touch anything, or get closer than a couple of yards. Have fun.[/QUOTE]I left Colombia last Sunday for California in fear of what might happen in Colombia if it goes the way of Europe and Colombia's limited resources to deal with it.
And the Governor of California comes out on Thursday afternoon and say's that upwards of over 50% of the population could become infected in the next eight weeks or over 20,000,000 people and orders everyone to stay home except markets, pharmacies, and other businesses.
I hope Colombia is spared of what could be a holocaust in California.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2435827]I also, after noticing a very scarce amount of fruits and vegetables in the Supermarkets, bought several live plants and seeds in the nursery. I have a sizable backyard so will be growing all kinds of stuff.
Maybe I sound crazy, and perhaps have a green thumb[/QUOTE]We think alike. I bought several large bags of potting soil.
[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2435977]No its not useless. Its an actual count of people who died. Do you see how that is different than confirmed cases?
They had to get a the military to help bury the bodies in Italy. That's how serious this pandemic is.[/QUOTE]Seriously, is English your primary language? Because you are having a difficult time understanding some simple English. The death rate is not a count of anything, it is a percentage. Do you believe the confirmed count is an accurate count of everyone who has contracted the virus? If you can agree that there are people with the virus who have not been counted, then the death rate is not accurate. An inaccurate number used to determine a rate renders the rate inaccurate, which is useless.