Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2761913]Question for the vets.

If you spoke no spanish, you were a complete newbie, and only had one week on the ground in Medellin in January. How would you approach that trip?[/QUOTE]Stay at the Mansion.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762128]Thanks to everyone else for the advice.

I'm in Brazil anyway, was thinking of hopping over for a week with a few friends but maybe its best to just give it a skip.[/QUOTE]If you are in Brasil and having fun, no real point in Medellíand, really. Starting from the Yew Ess, Colombia has the advantage of being much closer than Brasil but once you get all the way to Brazil? Maybe use Colombia to break up a long return flight if you have the flexibility.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762128]Thanks to everyone else for the advice.

This feedback right here is what makes it so hard to get info from this forum these days though. The search function is not great at all, so its hard to search through info in particular sections. With the vast majority of info being posted in one thread rather than multiple threads, the amount of info you need to sift through takes an incredibly long time, and often its people who have gone off topic discussing all kinds of things.

RTTF is half the reason why traffic across this site has dropped off over the years, because these threads descend into a quasi chat room for the same regulars who find these sorts of a questions a distraction, while for the newbies who could become regulars don't bother because who has the time to sift through thousands of posts trying to parse information while people argue amongst themselves. Often the questions being asked have not had a direct answer for over a year or more, and still someone will pop up with the usual "RTTF".

"Stay at the Mansion" - We are in a post covid world right now, I don't know what he situation is like on the ground and the general consensus is that things have dropped off there from what I can see. Maybe that's not the case, who knows because heaven forbid you ask. I get the sense that a one week trip for a non spanish speaker is probably not a good idea, and that's fine. I'm in Brazil anyway, was thinking of hopping over for a week with a few friends but maybe its best to just give it a skip.[/QUOTE]Do you really want to know why so many regulars don't like answering questions? Read the post I quoted above.

I've seen and answered just about every question asked. I can't think of a single one that had not been answered in over a year. Often the same question is asked less than a week after it was answered.

You asked for advice for a complete newbie, who knows no Spanish, for a 1 week trip. The best and simplest answer is to stay at the Mansion. When people gave you the best answer you got pissy over it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with those answers. Perhaps you meant to ask a different question.

It might seem offensive when someone says RTFF, but it's the best possible advice. Yes there's a lot of stuff that doesn't directly answer the questions you might have, but mixed in there is a lot of tidbits which are helpful. Not only that, but by reading the forum you will find the information you need to better search for answers.

There's nothing wrong with a non Spanish speaker taking a 1 week trip to Medellin. If you stay at the Mansion you'll almost certainly have a safe and good time. There are other ways to do it, but they require more work on the part of the visitor. However, helping someone decide which other option is best requires more information.

I totally agree with that statement.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762128]Thanks to everyone else for the advice.

This feedback right here is what makes it so hard to get info from this forum these days though. The search function is not great at all, so its hard to search through info in particular sections. With the vast majority of info being posted in one thread rather than multiple threads, the amount of info you need to sift through takes an incredibly long time, and often its people who have gone off topic discussing all kinds of things.

RTTF is half the reason why traffic across this site has dropped off over the years, because these threads descend into a quasi chat room for the same regulars who find these sorts of a questions a distraction, while for the newbies who could become regulars don't bother because who has the time to sift through thousands of posts trying to parse information while people argue amongst themselves. Often the questions being asked have not had a direct answer for over a year or more, and still someone will pop up with the usual "RTTF".

"Stay at the Mansion" - We are in a post covid world right now, I don't know what he situation is like on the ground and the general consensus is that things have dropped off there from what I can see. Maybe that's not the case, who knows because heaven forbid you ask. I get the sense that a one week trip for a non spanish speaker is probably not a good idea, and that's fine. I'm in Brazil anyway, was thinking of hopping over for a week with a few friends but maybe its best to just give it a skip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762128]...

This feedback right here is what makes it so hard to get info from this forum these days though.
... .[/QUOTE]Have you read Reports of Distintion?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2761387]I believe he's talking about Loutron. I'm not really sure about 10's and 20's girls. I'm hoping he's not talking about ages.[/QUOTE]HAHAHA.

No I'm talking about ten's of girls around like each time. 10 girls come. You pick one. Then another 10 come you pick another etc.

But I have been searching for this mansion setup but I can't find it, do you know what I'm talking about?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2762192]Have you read Reports of Distintion?[/QUOTE]Its true that the forum could implement different threads for different purposes. I know there are some threads already for this purpose, but the forum threads could be improved / better structured.

For example -.
Newbie advice.
Chica friendly accommodation.
The Mansion (and any other popular discussion topics).
Crime.
Girl ratings (for those that imagine they are at all useful).
Whatever else

ATM, many subjects are just bundled in to one thread so it is quite difficult to find stuff in such a jumble of info, especially since the Search function operates like smthg out of the 1980's.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2762109]There is a big difference between 'amor,' which is overused and means very little, and '[B]mi[/B] amor,' which is not used casually at all![/QUOTE]Thanks, was not aware the subtle difference.

How many of you have been drugged? I guess it's not too uncommon on this board. If you are reading this, you are lucky. Not sure if I can share a reddit link here, but go to the medellin reddit page and read the post about Paul Nguyen and the comment section. She and her gang kidnapped a guy last month, and just days ago, she was trying to drug another guy. She belongs to jail. And her accomplices.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2762116]I guess I don't understand how else you would do it. This is the second time in recent days I wrongly assumed something goes without saying. I am trying to learn.[/QUOTE]I only negotiate the minimum I need to be able to get off, BBBJ, kissing. FB girls are not like girls in Gusto or on the street that almost always quote by hours. I like the ones that just come for a cita / rato. Some will say un polvo which does not limit time either. So it is meaningless to negotiate time for one shot with FB girls if they don't want to stick around.

My observation is Paisa girls love music, dancing, maybe singing, and weeds. I have posted several WhatsApp conversations and you will see what many are like. I think many girls will pretend to be what you like but I don't like that. I try to let them be themselves and don't judge. They are less likely to be bored and probably will stay longer if you have an environment they want to stay in. There is a reason they like music from Bad Bunny. Try figure that out.

You will know if you can get other activities for free when you repeat or in a better position to get it at a cost. This does not work if you don't or can't repeat.

The main thing probably is picking the right girl. You can read posts from Lucky Nuts to find his suggestion.

This girl just turned 20. I gave her a nickname 2 d because she looks better and different in person (3 d) than in photos (2 d). I never negotiated time with her. One thing that is both annoying and nice is she kept changing music like most girls do. At one point, I was wondering if the moaning was coming from the music or from her mouth. That is the good part. Hehe. Last night, she gave me oral multiple times, sometimes licking it like lollipop, sometimes used it as microphone to sing, and sometime doing the camel slide thing. She finished me in cowgirl, leaning back holding both of my hands. And continue to dance with my dick inside her for a good 5 to 10 minutes until I could not take it. That felt good. LOL. She stayed naked and told me to lie on the bed to relax. She continue to sing and dance naked until the car came. She didn't have time to shower and asked for wet wipe to quickly cleaned and left because the car is already here. This is a girl that I used to think has some kind of gem phobia because she carries a toothbrush with her to brush her teeth before kissing.

I leaned everything I said above from this thread. People who know me will tell you if I can do it you can do it.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2762284]How many of you have been drugged? I guess it's not too uncommon on this board. If you are reading this, you are lucky. Not sure if I can share a reddit link here, but go to the medellin reddit page and read the post about Paul Nguyen and the comment section. She and her gang kidnapped a guy last month, and just days ago, she was trying to drug another guy. She belongs to jail. And her accomplices.[/QUOTE]Its been all over facebook too, shits sad but I hope its a reminder you need to move smart in Medellin.

It happens. I think it's less likely to happen to anyone who is on the lookout for it. The recurring theme among survivors and guys who avoided close calls is they see the red flags in retrospect.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2762284]How many of you have been drugged? I guess it's not too uncommon on this board. If you are reading this, you are lucky. Not sure if I can share a reddit link here, but go to the medellin reddit page and read the post about Paul Nguyen and the comment section. She and her gang kidnapped a guy last month, and just days ago, she was trying to drug another guy. She belongs to jail. And her accomplices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2762284]How many of you have been drugged? I guess it's not too uncommon on this board. If you are reading this, you are lucky. Not sure if I can share a reddit link here, but go to the medellin reddit page and read the post about Paul Nguyen and the comment section. She and her gang kidnapped a guy last month, and just days ago, she was trying to drug another guy. She belongs to jail. And her accomplices.[/QUOTE]I was drugged around the same day as Paul. Out for 40 hours (Monday 10 pm to Wed 5 pm). Second date with a non pro (I thought) girl from Bumble and mistakenly invited her to my apartment. Went down within 15 secs. She then calls an accomplice and cleared my place out. Many of you know me in person and I am a fairly seasoned Medellin guy. No newbie.

I will share the story when back stateside, but be very careful out there gentlemen. I was lucky to survive and only have replaceable things stolen.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762340]I was drugged around the same day as Paul. Out for 40 hours (Monday 10 pm to Wed 5 pm). Second date with a non pro (I thought) girl from Bumble and mistakenly invited her to my apartment. Went down within 15 secs. She then calls an accomplice and cleared my place out. Many of you know me in person and I am a fairly seasoned Medellin guy. No newbie.

I will share the story when back stateside, but be very careful out there gentlemen. I was lucky to survive and only have replaceable things stolen.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm done with tinder / bumble I'm never going to use those apps again, too much risk. Interested in hearing the full story, glad you weren't killed like Paul.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762128]Thanks to everyone else for the advice.

This feedback right here is what makes it so hard to get info from this forum these days though. The search function is not great at all, so its hard to search through info in particular sections. With the vast majority of info being posted in one thread rather than multiple threads, the amount of info you need to sift through takes an incredibly long time, and often its people who have gone off topic discussing all kinds of things.

RTTF is half the reason why traffic across this site has dropped off over the years, because these threads descend into a quasi chat room for the same regulars who find these sorts of a questions a distraction, while for the newbies who could become regulars don't bother because who has the time to sift through thousands of posts trying to parse information while people argue amongst themselves. Often the questions being asked have not had a direct answer for over a year or more, and still someone will pop up with the usual "RTTF".

"Stay at the Mansion" - We are in a post covid world right now, I don't know what he situation is like on the ground and the general consensus is that things have dropped off there from what I can see. Maybe that's not the case, who knows because heaven forbid you ask. I get the sense that a one week trip for a non spanish speaker is probably not a good idea, and that's fine. I'm in Brazil anyway, was thinking of hopping over for a week with a few friends but maybe its best to just give it a skip.[/QUOTE]The RTFF comments come from a couple of common things.

First, a question or questions to which there is no real answer. Sometimes they are vague questions, matters of opinion only, or just very general. For someone to answer they first have to guess what you really want to know, or to write a book as an answer to cover all the possibilities. These sorts of requests are probably best met with silence, but really, reading a wide variety of posts is very helpful in getting a general feel for some things in order to ask a useful question. So sometimes it gets the dreaded RTFF response.

Second, a question that has been answered repeatedly and often recently. Regular posters get tired of answering the same question every week. Again, silence is a good response, or the RTFF as an expression of frustration.

Third, the search function is just fine. Same as all other similar forums. Learn how to use it.

I will certainly help people and contribute. But I have no desire to add numbers to this board or any other. I use it to find useful information by generally reading everything that is posted on areas I am interested in. And this takes very little time daily. When I first joined I probably read several hundred or a thousand or so posts going back a year or two in parts of the forum I was interested in. Not everyone will do that, I realize. But do a little reading and searching.

[QUOTE=YahooDiSingh;2762193]HAHAHA.

No I'm talking about ten's of girls around like each time. 10 girls come. You pick one. Then another 10 come you pick another etc.

But I have been searching for this mansion setup but I can't find it, do you know what I'm talking about?[/QUOTE]You're talking about Loutron. It's a brothel that is in a mansion. You can search this thread for Loutron for more information.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2762284]How many of you have been drugged? I guess it's not too uncommon on this board. If you are reading this, you are lucky. Not sure if I can share a reddit link here, but go to the medellin reddit page and read the post about Paul Nguyen and the comment section. She and her gang kidnapped a guy last month, and just days ago, she was trying to drug another guy. She belongs to jail. And her accomplices.[/QUOTE]Can someone please plaster this site with lots of pics of this killer, I hope she gets what she has coming to her! Stay safe guys!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2762288] She didn't have time to shower and asked for wet wipe to quickly cleaned and left because the car is already here.[/QUOTE]This is essential. Every experienced monger should always have wet wipes available for the ladies. Definitely will earn you points in my experience. Also what did you mean there is a reason they like bad bunny? You mean because quieren perreo? What do you mean?

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/medellin/comments/yumk3w/do_you_know_this_girl_3000000_cop_reward_she_was/[/URL]

Apparently she is a Chaturbate webcam girl: karol_bell1.

The grilla look is something those who have been in Colombia know real well. If you have never been, look at the girls who dressed and act like shanks in your city, that would be a start.

Look fellas, the peso lost a tonne of value within a year. Yes it's great for guys with USDs but it's a double edged sword for tourists who also want lady company. If the economy tanks in the richer countries, the western union boyfriends and webcam funds will dry up. Expect more brazen acts. This can be a positive for those who take the precautions as women will be more attainable, but they also may be up to no good and work in groups to rob.

I suggest all newbies if your goal is sex and you don't mind paying, go to the places that are licensed to do that stuff. Even if you decide to meet up with her afterwards, at least there is a trail. I am not sure about phone tracking software etc or if AirPods exist in other sizes. But even by then it could be too late.

I also suggest taking a few selfies with your dates. These grillas are always taking photos and do the grilla pose. Something between a lean back, moving their hips in a direction so their waist long hair can shine, shit like that. You guys have all seen certain poses these girls do. Send the photo to a buddy (íes) and you're safer. I doubt these girls will refuse a selfie together. No selfie, be weary.

Plan be. Tell her you have to go to an ATM. You don't know Spanish well and want her help. Have her turn away when you enter your pin, but at least their is video evidence and a time stamp on her being with you. These grillas are not always the sharpest knives in the drawer. No matter how many precautions they take, even the most expert and experienced ones drop the ball and get caught.

Lastly, if staying at places with shitty security or none, take the selfies! And send them to buddies ASAP.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762128] The search function is not great at all, so its hard to search through info in particular sections. With the vast majority of info being posted in one thread rather than multiple threads, the amount of info you need to sift through takes an incredibly long time, and often its people who have gone off topic discussing all kinds of things.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the search function is not great and the "RTFF" response is overused, IMO. One recommendation you might find helpful is to check out the Links to Reports of Distinction thread which you can find in the main Colombia forum - [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/forumdisplay.php?160-Colombia[/URL].

It has lots of good info on specific topics. Facebook, casas, centro, etc.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2762284]How many of you have been drugged? .[/QUOTE]In the interessts of balance. No, not apart from by myself, whcih happens maybe once per month.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762340]I was drugged around the same day as Paul. Out for 40 hours (Monday 10 pm to Wed 5 pm). Second date with a non pro (I thought) girl from Bumble and mistakenly invited her to my apartment. Went down within 15 secs. She then calls an accomplice and cleared my place out. Many of you know me in person and I am a fairly seasoned Medellin guy. No newbie.

I will share the story when back stateside, but be very careful out there gentlemen. I was lucky to survive and only have replaceable things stolen.[/QUOTE]Sorry that happened to you and glad you ended up okay. 40 hours is a long time to be out so she must have given you a massive dose. This stuff scares me way more than the risk of getting mugged.

When I first came on this forum I asked the question of whether you mitigate your risk of drugging in MDE by agreeing to a price up front rather than trying to do vanilla dating (ie, supposed non-pros). I was told I was naive and lacked street smarts for thinking this way. But in the two years since I have heard lots of reports of druggings and not one of them involved a payment, always guys trying to vanilla date and get laid without paying. I stick to my belief. Agree to a price ahead of time and you lower your risk dramatically. Also, stay off tinder and if you want to vanilla date meet girls IRL, not online. Just my two bits.

Yeah I'm not sure if I would recommend taking selfies of these girls. Some of these girls want to be discreet and one should respect their privacy. I wouldn't want some girl I just met to be taking random pictures of me either. Talk about killing the mood. At least wait till she's several drinks in if you are going to try to be slick and do that. I'm going solo for the first time but I'm just going to use my common sense. You should be able to notice if something doesn't feel right. Also pay attention to things like how they are dressed. If a girl shows up to a date all covered up like the pic of the chick Paul was with, that to me would of been a red flag already not to mention she was on her phone. A girl should rarely be even looking at her phone if she's on a date with you. Just have to play it smart and I'm going to try to avoid letting a waiter / waitress bring me a beer or drink. I rather go up to the bar and grab it myself.

Do you have a theory about how you were drugged?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762340]I was drugged around the same day as Paul. Out for 40 hours (Monday 10 pm to Wed 5 pm). Second date with a non pro (I thought) girl from Bumble and mistakenly invited her to my apartment. Went down within 15 secs. She then calls an accomplice and cleared my place out. Many of you know me in person and I am a fairly seasoned Medellin guy. No newbie.

I will share the story when back stateside, but be very careful out there gentlemen. I was lucky to survive and only have replaceable things stolen.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2762426]I have heard lots of reports of druggings and not one of them involved a payment, always guys trying to vanilla date and get laid without paying. I stick to my belief. Agree to a price ahead of time and you lower your risk dramatically. Also, stay off tinder and if you want to vanilla date meet girls IRL, not online. Just my two bits.[/QUOTE]I do not get it. How do you think your risk is lowered by agreeing on a price? The chick can still agree on a price and drug you. She is not coming to make money being a hooker, she is coming to rob you! Agreeing on a price is only telling her she will get at least that amount after she drugs you.

There is a guy in the Boca Chica thread right now that was stolen from by a chick he agreed a price with. He was shocked that a thief stole his shit. Afterwards he sent her a message asking why would she steal when he was supposed to give her more than what she stole. The answer is simple; because she is a thief. Agreeing to sex with or without money just gives her an in so that she can take whatever she can get her hands on. So agreeing on a price means shit. If you want pretty much guaranteed safety then go to the casas and clubs.

Staying off Tinder we can agree on!

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2762427]Yeah I'm not sure if I would recommend taking selfies of these girls. Some of these girls want to be discreet and one should respect their privacy. I wouldn't want some girl I just met to be taking random pictures of me either. Talk about killing the mood. At least wait till she's several drinks in if you are going to try to be slick and do that. [/QUOTE]Huh? How do you think you are going to find the chick in the first place? You are going to see PICS of her online where guys go to look for hookers! Wait until she is several drinks in? What would that do? You realize these chicks are drugging guys as soon as they start drinking. They are not staying 2 hours to get cozy then deciding to drug and rob.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2762404][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/medellin/comments/yumk3w/do_you_know_this_girl_3000000_cop_reward_she_was/[/URL]

Apparently she is a Chaturbate webcam girl: karol_bell1.

The grilla look is something those who have been in Colombia know real well. If you have never been, look at the girls who dressed and act like shanks in your city, that would be a start.

Look fellas, the peso lost a tonne of value within a year. Yes it's great for guys with USDs but it's a double edged sword for tourists who also want lady company. If the economy tanks in the richer countries, the western union boyfriends and webcam funds will dry up. Expect more brazen acts. This can be a positive for those who take the precautions as women will be more attainable, but they also may be up to no good and work in groups to rob.

I suggest all newbies if your goal is sex and you don't mind paying, go to the places that are licensed to do that stuff. Even if you decide to meet up with her afterwards, at least there is a trail. I am not sure about phone tracking software etc or if AirPods exist in other sizes. But even by then it could be too late.

I also suggest taking a few selfies with your dates. These grillas are always taking photos and do the grilla pose. Something between a lean back, moving their hips in a direction so their waist long hair can shine, shit like that. You guys have all seen certain poses these girls do. Send the photo to a buddy (es) and you're safer. I doubt these girls will refuse a selfie together. No selfie, be weary.[/QUOTE]I have been following the Reddit links about Paul from the night he disappeared on 70 and well before his lifeless body was found hours later. I must say I was super impressed how promptly and efficiently all the reddit sleuths went to work looking for the female person of interest. Thankfully Paul snapped an undercover pic of her when they met at the bar. It didn't take long for a few redditirs to run her image through a facial recognition app using AI technology. The search results yielded valuable information about the chica involved in his disappearance. Let's hope she gets picked up soon. Last time I checked there was a 10 k usd reward for her capture. That should entice one of her "friends" to spill the beans on her whereabouts.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2762426]Sorry that happened to you and glad you ended up okay. 40 hours is a long time to be out so she must have given you a massive dose. This stuff scares me way more than the risk of getting mugged.
I stick to my belief. Agree to a price ahead of time and you lower your risk dramatically. Also, stay off tinder and if you want to vanilla date meet girls IRL, not online. Just my two bits.[/QUOTE]Not to diminish the negative experience of others, but this is all anecdotal. I would love to see some stats on REAL risk. I mean surely, you have more chance of being run over on the street. Although that's anecdotal too. I am just concerned not to create a mountain out of a molehill.

BUt one thing I feel quite sure about. Arranging a price beforehand has zero impact. How could it? Sii mi cielo, dame 150.000, esta bien? Why would that be beyond a mala chica?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2762432]Do you have a theory about how you were drugged?[/QUOTE]I know how I was drugged, it was a shot of aguadiente. We'd already had some wine and one smaller shot, I was out on the balcony getting steaks off the grill, I come in and she says let's do another shot. She had pre poured, but I had bought the bottle earlier and she took her's first.

As soon as I took mine I knew something was odd. That noted, there was none of the zombiness or going numb for me. My legs gave out and I went straight to the floor. That shit, at least in the quantity I was given, is no joke. E.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762452]I know how I was drugged. I was out on the balcony getting steaks off the grill, I come in and she says let's do another shot.
My legs gave out and I went straight to the floor..[/QUOTE]Anyone in your apartment. FB, Seeking, Tinder, whatever. Seems the extra you pay for the convenience and to have a girl come to your place also has added risks. Must be these high end hookers on social media... Its not likely to happen in a 8 k hotel room in Centro. And even if it did, what are they going to steal, a spare condom, an extra sheet of lavatory paper?

Maybe that's good advice in itself. If your worried about this type of activity. Just take a street girl to a local hotel. Saves you money and lower risk.

If you're bringing chicas to your apartment, it's best to stay in a place with a reception that takes IDs and also calls you when your guests are leaving. If you don't have this, keep your eyes on your drink.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04[/URL]

Very good documentary for people who haven't watched it. Good info on how people use this drug and it's effects and what to look out for.

This is good advice. Doormen and security cameras are your friends. My only quibble is it's a good practice to keep track of your drink whether or not you have a doorman. When in doubt or with previously unknown parties, don't consume anything.

[QUOTE=Combo;2762454]If you're bringing chicas to your apartment, it's best to stay in a place with a reception that takes IDs and also calls you when your guests are leaving. If you don't have this, keep your eyes on your drink.[/QUOTE]

OK, so the reason I asked the question was to help other guys avoid a similar fate. One of the ways I've stayed away from this sort of thing is I have a hard non negotiable rule in my apartment. I never allow any girl into my kitchen or near my food or drinks. Anything that is consumed in my place is prepared and served by me only. I don't remember every having to insist. In my experience it is unusual for local girls, especially local girls you don't know well, to volunteer to prepare or serve anything. I always offer whatever they may want and then I serve it to them. I don't even allow girls to wash dishes or bring used plates to the kitchen. They can't slip you anything by cleaning up but I like to keep it simple by maintaining a strict across the board off limits policy. I'm really sorry you had to go through this and I appreciate you sharing to help other guys avoid it.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762452]I know how I was drugged, it was a shot of aguadiente. We'd already had some wine and one smaller shot, I was out on the balcony getting steaks off the grill, I come in and she says let's do another shot. She had pre poured, but I had bought the bottle earlier and she took her's first.

As soon as I took mine I knew something was odd. That noted, there was none of the zombiness or going numb for me. My legs gave out and I went straight to the floor. That shit, at least in the quantity I was given, is no joke. E.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2762427]Yeah I'm not sure if I would recommend taking selfies of these girls. Some of these girls want to be discreet and one should respect their privacy. I wouldn't want some girl I just met to be taking random pictures of me either. Talk about killing the mood. At least wait till she's several drinks in if you are going to try to be slick and do that. I'm going solo for the first time but I'm just going to use my common sense. You should be able to notice if something doesn't feel right. Also pay attention to things like how they are dressed. If a girl shows up to a date all covered up like the pic of the chick Paul was with, that to me would of been a red flag already not to mention she was on her phone. A girl should rarely be even looking at her phone if she's on a date with you. Just have to play it smart and I'm going to try to avoid letting a waiter / waitress bring me a beer or drink. I rather go up to the bar and grab it myself.[/QUOTE]If you're planning on using common sense, then being several drinks in with a girl should never happen.

Unfortunately, and this is a bigger problem the more you drink, people don't always pay attention when things don't feel right.

Girls spend a lot of time on their phones. Unless you're able to carry on at least a basic conversation in Spanish, she's likely to be on her phone.

Here are some signs that you might be in trouble:

1. The girl wants you to go to her choice of bar. Don't. Pick where you're going to go. If you're not certain about the girl, meet at a public place, like The Beer Store in Parque Lleras. Watch her arrive, see if anyone is following her. Shortly after she arrives move to a different bar.

2. The girl is insistent that you drink. Don't. If you suspect she has put something in your drink, don't drink it and order something else.

3. Once in your room the girl is hesitant to get naked and get busy. If she's stalling, trying to get you to drink or anything else, send her away.

Don't drink to excess. The more you drink the easier it is to drug you, and the greater risk you'll die from being drugged.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2762451]Not to diminish the negative experience of others, but this is all anecdotal. I would love to see some stats on REAL risk. I mean surely, you have more chance of being run over on the street. Although that's anecdotal too. I am just concerned not to create a mountain out of a molehill.

BUt one thing I feel quite sure about. Arranging a price beforehand has zero impact. How could it? Sii mi cielo, dame 150.000, esta bien? Why would that be beyond a mala chica?[/QUOTE]Your risk, based on the way you monger is essentially zero. The guys who monger strictly around Parque Lleras have a higher risk. Those who use Tinder have a higher risk. If they party hard, even more risk.

[QUOTE=Combo;2762454]If you're bringing chicas to your apartment, it's best to stay in a place with a reception that takes IDs and also calls you when your guests are leaving. If you don't have this, keep your eyes on your drink.[/QUOTE]And if you do have that, keep your eyes on your drink.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762340]I was drugged around the same day as Paul. Out for 40 hours (Monday 10 pm to Wed 5 pm). Second date with a non pro (I thought) girl from Bumble and mistakenly invited her to my apartment. Went down within 15 secs. She then calls an accomplice and cleared my place out. Many of you know me in person and I am a fairly seasoned Medellin guy. No newbie.

I will share the story when back stateside, but be very careful out there gentlemen. I was lucky to survive and only have replaceable things stolen.[/QUOTE]Do you know what her name is do you have a photo because I have a friend of mine that's active on there he says it's the least dangerous site but apparently not these girls get away with anything I hope you filled out a police report 99.9% of people never do that's why they keep drugging people and never get caught.

From videos I been watching about victims, it's best to avoid any woman who approaches you wherever you may be, especially if she's with a friend. I would even try to avoid having a conversation with anyone who comes up to you. Stick to women only you approach. Same goes for online.

Hey, does any know what the cost of girl in La Isla and Faze dos is now?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2762118]They were 100% street girls. They left no doubt about their intentions. I agree with you about the photo op. That is why I shot them in the back.[/QUOTE]Who has an opinion or better some insight or facts regarding "mongering: in Medellin like the people who peruse this list. VS. DIY tourists or guys that use the bachelor party websites (all inclusive type "high end" sex tourists? NOTE the city of Medellin is investing large sums of $ in a major face lift for Lleras and they have corporate backers building hotels like Marquee owned by Casacol. Tourism has more than doubled in the last year, beyond 2019 reported numbers. And still growing. What will the future look like?

I'm planning to follow your recommendations.

Given the Paul Nguyen situation, here's the rest of my newbie safety plan:

4. Go to New Life during the day.

5. Get back to the Mansion before dark and partake of girls from the Mansion bar in the evening.

6. Avoid the bar / party / street girl scene.

What about finding photoprepagos girls and getting outcall to the Mansion, if I don't find anything I like at the Mansion bar?

Are girls likely to drug you and steal from you at the Mansion? Do both buildings ID the girls at the door for your protection?

Thanks for your suggestions.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762063]1. Start learning Spanish. An hour a day in 10-15 minute sessions with a language app.

2. Stay at the Mansion. Search Google for Hotel M Medellin and you'll find the website.

3. Bring your own condoms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762582]

6. Avoid the bar / party / street girl scene.

Are girls likely to drug you and steal from you at the Mansion?

[/QUOTE]I heard that the Mansion reception staff are now putting scop in the welcome drinks.

You could of course just go out for the day w 100.000 in your pocket, pick up a couple of street girls, and take them to a short time hotel. In the worst case scenario, all they could do is steal your taxi fare home. In the best case, you could have a lot of fun for USD 20.

[QUOTE=Combo;2762454]If you're bringing chicas to your apartment, it's best to stay in a place with a reception that takes IDs and also calls you when your guests are leaving. If you don't have this, keep your eyes on your drink.[/QUOTE]I don't drink with my girls in my hotel room. I prefer to concentrate on the task at hand and alcohol affects my ability to perform. I let the girls drink beer but I just drink from a bottle of water with a cap. I can see that drinking with girls at your place can increase the risk. Something to think about is whether it is really necessary to drink alcohol with the girl when you are back in your place. Maybe it is a young monger's thing but when you are older, you need to be 100% ready to perform.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762582]I'm planning to follow your recommendations.

Given the Paul Nguyen situation, here's the rest of my newbie safety plan:

4. Go to New Life during the day.

5. Get back to the Mansion before dark and partake of girls from the Mansion bar in the evening.

6. Avoid the bar / party / street girl scene.

What about finding photoprepagos girls and getting outcall to the Mansion, if I don't find anything I like at the Mansion bar?

Are girls likely to drug you and steal from you at the Mansion? Do both buildings ID the girls at the door for your protection?

Thanks for your suggestions.[/QUOTE]Girls coming into the Mansion do have ID's checked & info written down before entering both hotel or bar. They can't enter if they have been banned from the Mansion (which occurs if they cause trouble). If you invite outside girls that are not normally Mansion girls, then you may not be as safe. Also some outside girls refuse to go to the Mansion.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762475]... 1. The girl wants you to go to her choice of bar. Don't. Pick where you're going to go. ....[/QUOTE]And order you own car, don't take the car the girl ordered. minuto30.com reported that the victim was found in Robledo which is a long way from Poblado or Laureles. It also said the victim is the 26th killed this year in similar circumstance.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762582]I'm planning to follow your recommendations...[/QUOTE]I think you can try to make friends with other mongers or make connections with girls while you are in Mansion to take advantage of it since it is not cheap to stay there. You maybe able to find like minded mongers to learn about Medellin or go out with.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2762594]I don't drink with my girls in my hotel room. I prefer to concentrate on the task at hand and alcohol affects my ability to perform. I let the girls drink beer but I just drink from a bottle of water with a cap. I can see that drinking with girls at your place can increase the risk. Something to think about is whether it is really necessary to drink alcohol with the girl when you are back in your place. Maybe it is a young monger's thing but when you are older, you need to be 100% ready to perform.[/QUOTE]Absolutely f*ing right. I follow exactly the same procedures including drinking water from a capped bottle. Of course my hotel checks on-line and records all the cedula information. I wouldn't say it is impossible to get scoped in this scenario but it is dramatically safer and I've never heard of anyone getting scoped in this hotel or the San Peter which follows similar procedures.

Another worthwhile alternative for those who are new and very concerned with safety. There is a short term hotel on Calle 33 called Thematic Luxury. Not only do both the male and female need to present identification when checking in (passport will work fellows) but the rooms are electronically locked after you enter. You have to call the front desk to get out and they send someone up to check the minibar before they buzz the door open. Also they speak to the guy before buzzing you out or sending someone up to check the room out. No girl is going to scope you when she can't get out of the room.

Rooms there run from 60-90 mil ($12-18) for 3 hours and the pricier rooms have a nice sized jacuzzi.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2762284]How many of you have been drugged? I guess it's not too uncommon on this board. If you are reading this, you are lucky. Not sure if I can share a reddit link here, but go to the medellin reddit page and read the post about Paul Nguyen and the comment section. She and her gang kidnapped a guy last month, and just days ago, she was trying to drug another guy. She belongs to jail. And her accomplices.[/QUOTE]Never been drugged, thank God.

#3 in my opinion is the best of that good list.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762475]If you're planning on using common sense, then being several drinks in with a girl should never happen.

Unfortunately, and this is a bigger problem the more you drink, people don't always pay attention when things don't feel right.

Girls spend a lot of time on their phones. Unless you're able to carry on at least a basic conversation in Spanish, she's likely to be on her phone..[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure you could stand on la 10 for several days and not see a single person pass by who has been this sort of victim. The odds are against it but it does happen. For argument's sake let's say the 27 documented cases are a subset of 100 or more that includes unreported or unknown cases. It's still a small percentage of the total number of annual visitors. The pattern you see in the reports are inexperienced guys who did not recognize the warning signs. Let's none of us please be one of those guys.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2762451]Not to diminish the negative experience of others, but this is all anecdotal. I would love to see some stats on REAL risk. I mean surely, you have more chance of being run over on the street. Although that's anecdotal too. I am just concerned not to create a mountain out of a molehill.

BUt one thing I feel quite sure about. Arranging a price beforehand has zero impact. How could it? Sii mi cielo, dame 150.000, esta bien? Why would that be beyond a mala chica?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2762541]Who has an opinion or better some insight or facts regarding "mongering: in Medellin like the people who peruse this list. VS. DIY tourists or guys that use the bachelor party websites (all inclusive type "high end" sex tourists? NOTE the city of Medellin is investing large sums of $ in a major face lift for Lleras and they have corporate backers building hotels like Marquee owned by Casacol. Tourism has more than doubled in the last year, beyond 2019 reported numbers. And still growing. What will the future look like?[/QUOTE]Well thru my lens, mongering in Medellin was much better prior to the Pandemic, yet the City as you mention is becoming a tourist and digital nomad mecca. Since the Pandemic, hordes of foreign mongers have arrived spoiling things not limited to just price and service as reported here. Albeit the foreign mongers with lots of experience in Medellin, and those that either live here or spend six months a year here, and have Spanish speaking skills won't be affected as much as the other mongers.

I plan to definitely connect with the other guys at the Mansion, and of course take advantage of the girls at the Mansion. I haven't seen any recent reports of the number and quality of girls at the Mansion bar. Hoping the pickings aren't so slim that I need to cast a wider net. Regardless of the price of the Mansion, for those of us short time visitors, it is much cheaper than ending up dead in a garbage bag in a ditch. I'll pay more for safety.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2762640]I think you can try to make friends with other mongers or make connections with girls while you are in Mansion to take advantage of it since it is not cheap to stay there. You maybe able to find like minded mongers to learn about Medellin or go out with.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2762584]I heard that the Mansion reception staff are now putting scop in the welcome drinks.

You could of course just go out for the day w 100.000 in your pocket, pick up a couple of street girls, and take them to a short time hotel. In the worst case scenario, all they could do is steal your taxi fare home. In the best case, you could have a lot of fun for USD 20.[/QUOTE]That is in my plan although I figured that I would try the casas like New Life or Zandalay rather than street meat. One notch more expensive, but one notch safer, I assume. Regardless, I won't be bringing my Rolex and laptop and home stereo and gold bars walking around Centro. I can't imagine traveling in a strange city without the guidance of Google maps, however, so I assume all visitors carry a phone, but I'll try to bring a crappy one. How else do you find your way around and use Uber? Or do you use a paper map like in ancient times? If you don't use Uber, do you use a white taxi and have the casa call for one when you are ready to head back to your hotel? Or just pound pavement?

A couple drinks is fine as long as you watch your drink. Just don't get wasted. You make yourself a much easier target. And even if you're drinking water or Coke, you still need to watch your drink. Just keep in mind these girls aren't your friends. Though the good ones can make you feel like it.

The quality at the Mansion can vary a lot. One week might be great, the next week next to nothing. I've stayed dozens of times, but I always end up using other venues to complement what's available on site.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2762426]...When I first came on this forum I asked the question of whether you mitigate your risk of drugging in MDE by agreeing to a price up front rather than trying to do vanilla dating (ie, supposed non-pros). I was told I was naive and lacked street smarts for thinking this way. But in the two years since I have heard lots of reports of druggings and not one of them involved a payment, always guys trying to vanilla date and get laid without paying. I stick to my belief. Agree to a price ahead of time and you lower your risk dramatically. Also, stay off tinder and if you want to vanilla date meet girls IRL, not online. Just my two bits.[/QUOTE]I somehow agree with you. My wingman was drugged in Cartagena, even though we were sharing an apartment in Laguito. I was tired and went to bed around midnight, leaving the two of them in the living room. My bedroom was not locked, so I was lucky that she did not come to my room. My buddy was fine the next day, in the pm.

I found out later that my wingman bargained hard with his girl, getting her to agree to a TLN for a very cheap price. I suspected there was some revenge motive in her plan.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2762646]Never been drugged, thank God.[/QUOTE]A good friend of mine got drugged in Medellin by a street woman, took his wallet, CC, Cel phone. His life just stopped without CC and celphone and took him forever to recieive new CC from EU. He brought her to the apartment late in the evening, opened beer and boom all of sudden he was knocked out until next afternoon. And slowly slowly he regained and realized that he got robbed and drugged.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762671] I can't imagine traveling in a strange city without the guidance of Google maps, however, so I assume all visitors carry a phone, but I'll try to bring a crappy one. How else do you find your way around and use Uber? Or do you use a paper map like in ancient times? If you don't use Uber, do you use a white taxi and have the casa call for one when you are ready to head back to your hotel? Or just pound pavement?[/QUOTE]It might all seem a little daunting to start, but its not that bad. When I first started in MDE, I would choose a couple of casas close together (a second one for just in case I didn't fancy anyhting in the first one). So I just got a taxi to the door of the first, and the seond one would only be a couple of blocks away. After you do it a few times, the pieces of the Centro jigsaw slowly fit togther better. The good news is that almost none of the casas are in really dangerous areas, and they are closed during witchhing hour anyway. So you should be fine, even if you get lost and have to follow your Google maps. Taxis are everywhere in MDE. Amd sure if they all went down the same street at the same time, an acorn would drop from a tree in Australia.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762582]I'm planning to follow your recommendations.

Given the Paul Nguyen situation, here's the rest of my newbie safety plan:

4. Go to New Life during the day.

5. Get back to the Mansion before dark and partake of girls from the Mansion bar in the evening.

6. Avoid the bar / party / street girl scene.

What about finding photoprepagos girls and getting outcall to the Mansion, if I don't find anything I like at the Mansion bar?

Are girls likely to drug you and steal from you at the Mansion? Do both buildings ID the girls at the door for your protection?

Thanks for your suggestions.[/QUOTE]Paul's story being picked up by Newsweek and local channels in LOS Angeles County where he is from. It involved a Tinder date apparently and it is a tragic story. It is just another reminder that guys have to be very careful in Medellin. Medellin is just a little bit more dangerous than other mongering cities in other countries. Before I visited Medellin, I read so many reports about druggings and robberies in Medellin so I was very alert to that fact. What happened to Paul and a fellow board member in the same time period recently is something that newbies should be very careful about.

At the same time, I would say that you don't need to just stick with casas and the Mansion. If you stay in a hotel that checks ID, and you do your due diligence on Facebook, that can work and be safe too. On my two weeks to Medellin, I used Facebook exclusively and so far everything has been fine and I have been very content.

In denial present company not excluded.

Making excuses why not to fuel the addiction by doing this or that, he did this or that wrong so it won't happen to me. LOL.

Staying home is the solution to not being shot drugged or robbed in Colombia. Any takers? Ha ha.

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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762671]That is in my plan although I figured that I would try the casas like New Life or Zandalay rather than street meat. One notch more expensive, but one notch safer, I assume. Regardless, I won't be bringing my Rolex and laptop and home stereo and gold bars walking around Centro. I can't imagine traveling in a strange city without the guidance of Google maps, however, so I assume all visitors carry a phone, but I'll try to bring a crappy one. How else do you find your way around and use Uber? Or do you use a paper map like in ancient times? If you don't use Uber, do you use a white taxi and have the casa call for one when you are ready to head back to your hotel? Or just pound pavement?[/QUOTE]This is a good place for this.

Almost everyone carries a phone. Many bring a cheap phone to use. Keep the phone in a front pants pocket. If you need to look at the phone, step into a building or stop and put your back against the wall. Before pulling out your phone look both ways to see if anyone is watching you. Have Google Maps open with your destination marked. That way you only need a few seconds to get your bearings.

The street signs aren't on poles at the corners. They are mounted on the buildings at the corner. Street addresses are a measure of distance, in meters from the lower number cross street. For example, New Life's address is Calle 56 #43-39. It's on Calle 56,39 meters west of Carrera 43. Since it's an odd number it's on the south side. To make it easier, you go through the blue door and up the stairs, through a second security gate.

You'll only find white taxis at the airport. The taxis in Medellin are yellow. When you exit New Life turn left. Walk 2 blocks to Avenida Oriental. You can't miss it, it's the biggest street in the area. Cross Oriental and turn left. Walk 3 blocks (busy street, lots of people) and turn right on Avenida Maracaibo. That will take you to the Metro tracks. Turn left and you'll see Plaza Botero. You can find a taxi there, or walk to the Parque Berrio Metro station.

Is there any place in medellin, preferably el poblado area, grocery store that has American bacon like Oscar Meyer brand? Also American hot dogs, lunch meats, and steaks? Thanks for the help. Sick of Colombian tocineta. To me, not even close to American bacon.

You guys are making me feel older than I am. I don't think I'm the only one on here who has done most of his travel to new places before the advent of GPS. I guess there may be a few people here who never had a paper map in their cars but I'm not going to pretend to one of them.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2762694]It might all seem a little daunting to start, but its not that bad. When I first started in MDE, I would choose a couple of casas close together (a second one for just in case I didn't fancy anyhting in the first one). So I just got a taxi to the door of the first, and the seond one would only be a couple of blocks away. After you do it a few times, the pieces of the Centro jigsaw slowly fit togther better. The good news is that almost none of the casas are in really dangerous areas, and they are closed during witchhing hour anyway. So you should be fine, even if you get lost and have to follow your Google maps. Taxis are everywhere in MDE. Amd sure if they all went down the same street at the same time, an acorn would drop from a tree in Australia.[/QUOTE]

I sympathize with your friend and other victims. This particular case makes me worry about a narrative I see growing on mainstream gringo forums focused on Medellin. The conventional wisdom is becoming the idea that Tinder is the source of the drugging and robbery and if you don't use Tinder you will be OK. Most of us know better than this but people like the 27 year old guy from California aren't as experienced. They could read something like that and get into a bad situation because of it.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2762689]A good friend of mine got drugged in Medellin by a street woman, took his wallet, CC, Cel phone. His life just stopped without CC and celphone and took him forever to recieive new CC from EU. He brought her to the apartment late in the evening, opened beer and boom all of sudden he was knocked out until next afternoon. And slowly slowly he regained and realized that he got robbed and drugged.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2762678]I somehow agree with you. My wingman was drugged in Cartagena, even though we were sharing an apartment in Laguito. I was tired and went to bed around midnight, leaving the two of them in the living room. My bedroom was not locked, so I was lucky that she did not come to my room. My buddy was fine the next day, in the pm.

I found out later that my wingman bargained hard with his girl, getting her to agree to a TLN for a very cheap price. I suspected there was some revenge motive in her plan.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt it had any relation to his bargaining. If they see you as an easy and lucrative target, they're going to try.

I’ll add that you’re generally at less risk if you come across as a not rich tourist. Though we’re all rich compared to these chicas.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2762652]I'm pretty sure you could stand on la 10 for several days and not see a single person pass by who has been this sort of victim. The odds are against it but it does happen. For argument's sake let's say the 27 documented cases are a subset of 100 or more that includes unreported or unknown cases. It's still a small percentage of the total number of annual visitors. The pattern you see in the reports are inexperienced guys who did not recognize the warning signs. Let's none of us please be one of those guys.[/QUOTE]The number 27 are the murders. Not the druggings. I personally know 2 or 3 guys that have been drugged in Medellin, and I don't know that many people there in total. So it is pretty common. I read in media there one time that it was one of the leading causes for hospitalization in Colombia, but I don't recall where I saw the article and it was a few years ago. It's not just tourists that get drugged. The material to make the local version is not necessarily pharmaceutical as it can be extracted from leaves from a tree that grows in Colombia. Which makes it doubly dangerous as dosage can be variable even when someone may not be trying to kill you.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2762739]The number 27 are the murders. Not the druggings. I personally know 2 or 3 guys that have been drugged in Medellin, and I don't know that many people there in total. So it is pretty common. I read in media there one time that it was one of the leading causes for hospitalization in Colombia, but I don't recall where I saw the article and it was a few years ago. It's not just tourists that get drugged. The material to make the local version is not necessarily pharmaceutical as it can be extracted from leaves from a tree that grows in Colombia. Which makes it doubly dangerous as dosage can be variable even when someone may not be trying to kill you.[/QUOTE]I knew a guy who was killed in Medellin. I never found out all circumstances and don't know if he was ever drugged.

Yet I say go to MDE. Just exercise common sense precautions.

Full disclosure. I have never been to the Mansion so I can address it objectively. However inexperienced you may be, staying at the Mansion or being robbed and dying a violent death is not a binary choice. If you do decide to stay there and you find yourself underwhelmed by the staffing, the good news is you have the entire city of Medellin within easy reach. There is lots of helpful safety information on this section of the website. At one time there was a Mansion specific section. I wish you a safe and enjoyable visit.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2762669]I plan to definitely connect with the other guys at the Mansion, and of course take advantage of the girls at the Mansion. I haven't seen any recent reports of the number and quality of girls at the Mansion bar. Hoping the pickings aren't so slim that I need to cast a wider net. Regardless of the price of the Mansion, for those of us short time visitors, it is much cheaper than ending up dead in a garbage bag in a ditch. I'll pay more for safety.[/QUOTE]

That is a great point you made about the scoping. If you read the gringo media it's easy to assume it's foreigners only. I'm reading so much about this here and elsewhere on the Internet I'm starting to wonder how I managed to stay away from it over the years.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2762739]The number 27 are the murders. Not the druggings. I personally know 2 or 3 guys that have been drugged in Medellin, and I don't know that many people there in total. So it is pretty common. I read in media there one time that it was one of the leading causes for hospitalization in Colombia, but I don't recall where I saw the article and it was a few years ago. It's not just tourists that get drugged. The material to make the local version is not necessarily pharmaceutical as it can be extracted from leaves from a tree that grows in Colombia. Which makes it doubly dangerous as dosage can be variable even when someone may not be trying to kill you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoulCust;2762729]Is there any place in medellin, preferably el poblado area, grocery store that has American bacon like Oscar Meyer brand? Also American hot dogs, lunch meats, and steaks? Thanks for the help. Sick of Colombian tocineta. To me, not even close to American bacon.[/QUOTE]I don't know the answer, but I typically search the 'GringoPaisa' forum on Facebook for questions like this. You can join and then use the search button in upper right on group page. I know there are at least two guys that have advertised specialty meats on there in the past 4 months.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2762494]Do you know what her name is do you have a photo because I have a friend of mine that's active on there he says it's the least dangerous site but apparently not these girls get away with anything I hope you filled out a police report 99.9% of people never do that's why they keep drugging people and never get caught.[/QUOTE]Her name and photo was provided on Reddit by a young man with better survival instincts than myself. He spent 3 hours with her around Laureles, but said he isn't much of a drinker. They then went to his hotel where the hotel staff scanned her cedula (she used the real one). The girl got frustrated when she couldn't get the guy to drink and left. He also took a quick pic of her at the bar.

I've been in contact with this guy as well as Paul's family and legal. Yes, I filed a report. This was prior to learning of Paul's death, but I was nearly killed and she took a large number of items from me. Yes, much of this is my fault, but the Medellin Mayor and Police need to take this far more seriously. Imagine if it was Medellin men drugging foreign women? If there were 3 dead then there would international outrage and we have what, 25 men with 2 months left in the year? Crime nearly always spikes in Medellin prior to Christmas as well.

If I can give any advice it's don't use Tinder or Bumble and if a girl is under 25 and not negotiating for the deed than she likely has a different angle. My fault was thinking this girl was simply down to fuck. I'm 43 and in good shape so I still do get some freebies, usually 1-2 a trip, but need to have much more skepticism. Earlier in the night I had a non-pro I really liked ghost me so I was a bit blue-balled and after a few drinks lost my sense of caution.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762776]Her name and photo was provided on Reddit by a young man with better survival instincts than myself. He spent 3 hours with her around Laureles, but said he isn't much of a drinker. They then went to his hotel where the hotel staff scanned her cedula (she used the real one). The girl got frustrated when she couldn't get the guy to drink and left. He also took a quick pic of her at the bar.

I've been in contact with this guy as well as Paul's family and legal. Yes, I filed a report. This was prior to learning of Paul's death, but I was nearly killed and she took a large number of items from me. Yes, much of this is my fault, but the Medellin Mayor and Police need to take this far more seriously. Imagine if it was Medellin men drugging foreign women? If there were 3 dead then there would international outrage and we have what, 25 men with 2 months left in the year? Crime nearly always spikes in Medellin prior to Christmas as well.

If I can give any advice it's don't use Tinder or Bumble and if a girl is under 25 and not negotiating for the deed than she likely has a different angle. My fault was thinking this girl was simply down to fuck. I'm 43 and in good shape so I still do get some freebies, usually 1-2 a trip, but need to have much more skepticism. Earlier in the night I had a non-pro I really liked ghost me so I was a bit blue-balled and after a few drinks lost my sense of caution.[/QUOTE]Why is nobody plastering her pic all over this site! Stuff like this is when we all need to stand together, pics! Pics, pics instead we're talking about where to get American bacon! Putting her pics on here would be a great big help to all!

I just returned from my 10 day trip to Medellin. I saw 13 girls in 10 days, all from Facebook. To fit in all the girls that I wanted to see, I had to do double duty on some days when is hard for an older gent but possible with a little help from Viagra.

I did not get robbed or drugged. I stayed in a hotel where the identification card was checked and photocopied. I decided on this trip to see if I could get bareback GFE sessions. This is what I experienced when I asked the girls that question. Most said no, some said yes. Some said yes with additional payment. Some said no and then later in the week said yes when I passed on seeing them. All I can tell you is that I brought 15 condoms just in case and when I went home, I had 15 condoms left. There were enough Facebook girls that I had chatted with, that if you just ask enough girls, you will get your fill of bareback girls if that is what you want but you will also get a lot of rejections. Just par for the course.

The mandatory warning for barebacking. It is risky and you may catch a STD or HIV. You should read about the risk before you engage in such risky behavior. As for me, at my advanced age, I have had performance issues when I use a condom (but not all the time). Just one of those things.

Most of the girls were young and attractive, 18-22 years old. Surprising number of girls were 18 years old. The rest were 24-25 years old. Most were short and slim, a few were curvy with large breasts. No one rushed me. Everyone gave me the time to finish. I am an older monger, close to 60 so one shot is more than enough for me. I asked for 2 hours but that did not mean two hours of sex and I did not require that. Everyone said yes to 2 hours but apparently 2 hours does not mean 2 hours to the girls. The girls generally stayed about 1 1/2 to 1 HR 45 minutes. Some stayed 2 hours or more. No one left before I had my fill of sex and it was just the non-sex part that got shortchanged. The agreed upon amount was usually in 200-250 mil, usually plus 50 mil transport but not always.

I was very content with the performances. The only complaint I would have is that the blowjobs tend to be short, about 5 minutes long. There were some exceptions. I have posted about my experiences in Guadalajara where the girls gave long deep blowjobs. It was a little different here. However, when it came to the sex, the girls were all willing to let me go as long as I wanted until I finished. No complaints there.

This was my second trip so I learned a lot from my mistakes during my first trip. Everything was negotiated upfront prior to the meeting and there were no misunderstanding. I only speak basic Spanish and I rely on Google Translate to get my point across along with hand gestures.

Good trip. Plenty of fun. No mishaps. Every girl was good to great in bed and everyone was friendly. There were no major disappointments. The girls all looked like their pictures on Facebook and everyone was the age that they said they were. I looked at their ID cards when they presented it to the hotel. It was surprising to me that girls didn't try to say that they were younger than they were. That is something that happens in other countries.

I look forward to trip number three. Third is the charm, as they say.

I was always very careful in Medellin. I am aware of my surroundings and try to screen my girls carefully based on their Facebook profiles. So far, it has been working out and I will probably stick with Facebook girls on my next trip. No reason to change from a successful formula.

The only issue is that if you are going to insist on barebacking, you will miss out on some very attractive girls who seem very promising but will not go bareback for obvious reasons. I am going to open it up to very attractive girls who at least provide BBBJ next time.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762776]Her name and photo was provided on Reddit by a young man with better survival instincts than myself. He spent 3 hours with her around Laureles, but said he isn't much of a drinker. They then went to his hotel where the hotel staff scanned her cedula (she used the real one). The girl got frustrated when she couldn't get the guy to drink and left. He also took a quick pic of her at the bar.

I've been in contact with this guy as well as Paul's family and legal. Yes, I filed a report. This was prior to learning of Paul's death, but I was nearly killed and she took a large number of items from me. Yes, much of this is my fault, but the Medellin Mayor and Police need to take this far more seriously. Imagine if it was Medellin men drugging foreign women? If there were 3 dead then there would international outrage and we have what, 25 men with 2 months left in the year? Crime nearly always spikes in Medellin prior to Christmas as well.

If I can give any advice it's don't use Tinder or Bumble and if a girl is under 25 and not negotiating for the deed than she likely has a different angle. My fault was thinking this girl was simply down to fuck. I'm 43 and in good shape so I still do get some freebies, usually 1-2 a trip, but need to have much more skepticism. Earlier in the night I had a non-pro I really liked ghost me so I was a bit blue-balled and after a few drinks lost my sense of caution.[/QUOTE]I would assume you were staying in a building with no reception / security? So that she could let her accomplice into the building and get out with your belonging without any issues. If that's the case, my advice to all would be to stay at hotels or airbnbs with security and cameras. I have been staying at the same Airbnb in Laureles for the last two years, and oftentimes (but not always) was required to personally escort ladies out of the building, I think it is a great practice which should be implemented everywhere. What I still don't get is why she provided her real ID at the hotel, if she was intending to drug and rob the guy. You don't give your ID before you commit a crime, makes no sense. Unless her ID was fake, but since they scanned it, I would assume it was real. I'm not sure if fake ID can be scanned though. She could have just said that she did not have ID on her and bail out. Instead, she proceeded with him to his room, I'm puzzled here.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2762808]Why is nobody plastering her pic all over this site! Stuff like this is when we all need to stand together, pics! Pics, pics instead we're talking about where to get American bacon! Putting her pics on here would be a great big help to all![/QUOTE]There's a picture of her in this link.

[URL]https://nextshark.com/california-man-found-dead-after-tinder-date-in-colombia/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook[/URL]#Echobox=1668639621.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762340]I was drugged around the same day as Paul. Out for 40 hours (Monday 10 pm to Wed 5 pm). Second date with a non pro (I thought) girl from Bumble and mistakenly invited her to my apartment. Went down within 15 secs. She then calls an accomplice and cleared my place out. Many of you know me in person and I am a fairly seasoned Medellin guy. No newbie.

I will share the story when back stateside, but be very careful out there gentlemen. I was lucky to survive and only have replaceable things stolen.[/QUOTE]Can you clarify also was it in fact something she slipped in your drink. There are wild stories and unconfirmed reports that the scopolamine can come in liquid or powder.

[QUOTE=SoulCust;2762729]Is there any place in medellin, preferably el poblado area, grocery store that has American bacon like Oscar Meyer brand? Also American hot dogs, lunch meats, and steaks? Thanks for the help. Sick of Colombian tocineta. To me, not even close to American bacon.[/QUOTE]You can try PriceSmart if you haven't already. Madurando has dry aged rib-eye.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762776]Her name and photo was provided on Reddit by a young man with better survival instincts than myself. He spent 3 hours with her around Laureles, but said he isn't much of a drinker. They then went to his hotel where the hotel staff scanned her cedula (she used the real one). The girl got frustrated when she couldn't get the guy to drink and left. He also took a quick pic of her at the bar.

I've been in contact with this guy as well as Paul's family and legal. Yes, I filed a report. This was prior to learning of Paul's death, but I was nearly killed and she took a large number of items from me. Yes, much of this is my fault, but the Medellin Mayor and Police need to take this far more seriously. Imagine if it was Medellin men drugging foreign women? If there were 3 dead then there would international outrage and we have what, 25 men with 2 months left in the year? Crime nearly always spikes in Medellin prior to Christmas as well.

If I can give any advice it's don't use Tinder or Bumble and if a girl is under 25 and not negotiating for the deed than she likely has a different angle. My fault was thinking this girl was simply down to fuck. I'm 43 and in good shape so I still do get some freebies, usually 1-2 a trip, but need to have much more skepticism. Earlier in the night I had a non-pro I really liked ghost me so I was a bit blue-balled and after a few drinks lost my sense of caution.[/QUOTE]I want to thank you for posting it and for owning it. You recognized where you could have done better and reported it. That serves as a warning for everyone. Just because you're experienced doesn't make you exempt from these types of things.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762726]This is a good place for this.

The street signs aren't on poles at the corners. They are mounted on the buildings at the corner. Street addresses are a measure of distance, in meters from the lower number cross street. For example, New Life's address is Calle 56 #43-39. It's on Calle 56,39 meters west of Carrera 43. Since it's an odd number it's on the south side. To make it easier, you go through the blue door and up the stairs, through a second security gate.

[/QUOTE]I find very useful Google earth / street views to check the buildings and the address on it, most streets are up to date.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2762759]Full disclosure. I have never been to the Mansion so I can address it objectively. However inexperienced you may be, staying at the Mansion or being robbed and dying a violent death is not a binary choice. If you do decide to stay there and you find yourself underwhelmed by the staffing, the good news is you have the entire city of Medellin within easy reach. There is lots of helpful safety information on this section of the website. At one time there was a Mansion specific section. I wish you a safe and enjoyable visit.[/QUOTE]You can not be too careful with strangers on ANY internet site or walking around out on the streets. The risks some of you take for a cheap fuck or wanting to meet multiple women (! Are just stupid. NO it is not what you expect but it is happening anyway. Use your BRAIN. You get all this info here, yet it still happens. You are accidents waiting. I am sorry. It will continue unless you use your brains!

I've heard stories of powder scoping of guys who get it blown into their faces. My impression is it's more often something slipped into a drink. I've never heard of someone having something slipped into their drink in a public place like a restaurant or bar. All this scoping talk recently I'm going to be on the lookout to get a better feel for teams involved in it. Having lived mostly in urban areas my instinct is to move away from squirrely behavior. I think it's worked in my favor so far.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2762831]Can you clarify also was it in fact something she slipped in your drink. There are wild stories and unconfirmed reports that the scopolamine can come in liquid or powder.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762776]Her name and photo was provided on Reddit by a young man with better survival instincts than myself. He spent 3 hours with her around Laureles, but said he isn't much of a drinker. They then went to his hotel where the hotel staff scanned her cedula (she used the real one). [b]The girl got frustrated when she couldn't get the guy to drink and left.[/b][/QUOTE]Exactly. You guys are making rocket science out of this. It is not that hard to figure. Didn't I say that ALL these stories have in common that the guy was drinking. If you are not drinking, more than likely they will not be able to get you. Meet up with these chicks when you are sober (unlike the guy that drunk a ton before meeting up and they were able to rob him without even drugging him) and do not drink around them!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2762816]my advice to all would be to stay at hotels or airbnbs with security and cameras. You don't give your ID before you commit a crime, makes no sense. [/QUOTE]These are not the smartest people in the world. They would be working a regular job instead of out drugging and robbing if they were. Plus after you have pulled it off so many times until it is like brushing your teeth, then you get complacent. You know how many of these stories that I have seen on facebook where they have the chick on camera? They do not care about any stinking cameras or IDs or none of that shit. They only care about walking out with your shit.

This is an excellent bit of advice. You can go to a safe place like nearby cafe to whip out your phone and orient yourself and chart a path with visual cues right up to the doorway of the venue.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2762888]I find very useful Google earth / street views to check the buildings and the address on it, most streets are up to date.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2762914]Exactly. You guys are making rocket science out of this. It is not that hard to figure. Didn't I say that ALL these stories have in common that the guy was drinking. If you are not drinking, more than likely they will not be able to get you. Meet up with these chicks when you are sober (unlike the guy that drunk a ton before meeting up and they were able to rob him without even drugging him) and do not drink around them![/QUOTE]I agree. I will say that historically I've invited the Paisas I thought were non-pros over to my place for some dinner drinks on the 2nd or 3rd date. My trips have typically been 8 to 14 days so this was done to accelerate things a bit. The drinks have always been ones that I bought and giving a woman a nice glass of wine and massage works as well as an aphrodisiac here as it does in the US. Was I doing too much for these women? Probably yes, even though a handful developed into great novia / friends with benefits situations. Even this will stop for here on out. No more non-pros unless through Paisa friends. Only offsite and sober as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2762914]Exactly. You guys are making rocket science out of this. It is not that hard to figure. Didn't I say that ALL these stories have in common that the guy was drinking. If you are not drinking, more than likely they will not be able to get you. Meet up with these chicks when you are sober (unlike the guy that drunk a ton before meeting up and they were able to rob him without even drugging him) and do not drink around them![/QUOTE]Is there a scenario where they can drug you without you drinking? I've heard stories through the years of such but they all seem to be too far-fetch in my opinion.

Thanks for the trip report, good stuff. Glad you had a good time. I'm a similar age and we are pretty similar in how we roll. Facebook is my favorite source and also used it exclusively on my last trip. Next trip (in a week) I might try to expand my horizons a bit with some Centro and / or casa activities as well. In the FB proposal message I don't specifically say bareback but mention I want a "girlfriend experience" and I was 9/9 on the last trip, with a few requiring a propina. So for guys like us that is out there and on the menu.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2762814]I just returned from my 10 day trip to Medellin. I saw 13 girls in 10 days, all from Facebook. To fit in all the girls that I wanted to see, I had to do double duty on some days when is hard for an older gent but possible with a little help from Viagra.

I did not get robbed or drugged. I stayed in a hotel where the identification card was checked and photocopied. I decided on this trip to see if I could get bareback GFE sessions. This is what I experienced when I asked the girls that question. Most said no, some said yes. Some said yes with additional payment. Some said no and then later in the week said yes when I passed on seeing them. All I can tell you is that I brought 15 condoms just in case and when I went home, I had 15 condoms left. There were enough Facebook girls that I had chatted with, that if you just ask enough girls, you will get your fill of bareback girls if that is what you want but you will also get a lot of rejections. Just par for the course.

The mandatory warning for barebacking. It is risky and you may catch a STD or HIV. You should read about the risk before you engage in such risky behavior. As for me, at my advanced age, I have had performance issues when I use a condom (but not all the time). Just one of those things.

Most of the girls were young and attractive, 18-22 years old. Surprising number of girls were 18 years old. The rest were 24-25 years old. Most were short and slim, a few were curvy with large breasts. No one rushed me. Everyone gave me the time to finish. I am an older monger, close to 60 so one shot is more than enough for me. I asked for 2 hours but that did not mean two hours of sex and I did not require that. Everyone said yes to 2 hours but apparently 2 hours does not mean 2 hours to the girls. The girls generally stayed about 1 1/2 to 1 HR 45 minutes. Some stayed 2 hours or more. No one left before I had my fill of sex and it was just the non-sex part that got shortchanged. The agreed upon amount was usually in 200-250 mil, usually plus 50 mil transport but not always.

I was very content with the performances. The only complaint I would have is that the blowjobs tend to be short, about 5 minutes long. There were some exceptions. I have posted about my experiences in Guadalajara where the girls gave long deep blowjobs. It was a little different here. However, when it came to the sex, the girls were all willing to let me go as long as I wanted until I finished. No complaints there.

This was my second trip so I learned a lot from my mistakes during my first trip. Everything was negotiated upfront prior to the meeting and there were no misunderstanding. I only speak basic Spanish and I rely on Google Translate to get my point across along with hand gestures.

Good trip. Plenty of fun. No mishaps. Every girl was good to great in bed and everyone was friendly. There were no major disappointments. The girls all looked like their pictures on Facebook and everyone was the age that they said they were. I looked at their ID cards when they presented it to the hotel. It was surprising to me that girls didn't try to say that they were younger than they were. That is something that happens in other countries.

I look forward to trip number three. Third is the charm, as they say.

I was always very careful in Medellin. I am aware of my surroundings and try to screen my girls carefully based on their Facebook profiles. So far, it has been working out and I will probably stick with Facebook girls on my next trip. No reason to change from a successful formula.

The only issue is that if you are going to insist on barebacking, you will miss out on some very attractive girls who seem very promising but will not go bareback for obvious reasons. I am going to open it up to very attractive girls who at least provide BBBJ next time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2762831]Can you clarify also was it in fact something she slipped in your drink. There are wild stories and unconfirmed reports that the scopolamine can come in liquid or powder.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was slipped in a shot / trago of aguadiente.

To be honest, I rarely drink hard liquor anymore, but I had bought it to take to a Paisa friends place later in the week for a small get together. When the girl arrived we had some red wine first. Then she saw the aguadiente and asked if I liked it, which I affirmed. She said she did too (which should have been a sign as most girls don't! I opened it and poured small shots first as she only looked like 110 lbs.

I then put some steaks on the balcony grill and continued chatting with her through the doorway (I speak conversational spanish). I wrap up steaks and go back inside where she has larger pre poured shots suggests we do another one. I say ok if you do yours first. She does, gives me a wink, and says your turn. I do mine next and as I did it I could see it was cloudy, but it was too late. Hit me like a ton of bricks and 'big tree, fell hard'.

Other reports talk about a 'Zombie' state. I didn't experience that, but it may have just been due to my dosage. My experience was more akin to what people say when they've been date raped.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2762816] What I still don't get is why she provided her real ID at the hotel, if she was intending to drug and rob the guy. You don't give your ID before you commit a crime, makes no sense. Unless her ID was fake, but since they scanned it, I would assume it was real. I'm not sure if fake ID can be scanned though. She could have just said that she did not have ID on her and bail out. Instead, she proceeded with him to his room, I'm puzzled here.[/QUOTE]There is a lot of reasons a person might use her real ID. Maybe she knew that they check the ID thoroughly. She proceed to the room to check what is in the room and to see if it is worth it to rob him or not. And they will probably try with another girl.

The thing is Medellin is getting a lot of tourist throwing big money around girls and that attracts people that want to rob you because there life is hard and cruel. Like someone said before some people make 40.000 cop a day working whole day and you a throwing 20 x that amount for a pussy to bust 1 nut.

In Colombia you are not the middle class but the upper class and that brings attention.

I got a good friend in Colombia and he always says this. Think with your head and not your dick.

If you are not pulling that type of woman where you live with your looks, you are not pulling them in Colombia.

If you know and just want to fuck and give money make sure you are staying at a good apartment or hotel where all guest need to register.

Put safety and security above pussy. Try to stay at place with multiple guards and where they check ID thoroughly and with a lot of camera.

Some places they have 2 guards all the time at front desk and they scan your ID and take pictures.

Know and remember that she is in for the money not your looks so do not let your guards down and do not overpay, play broke and do not pay gringo prices, some girls will accept local prices, if you pay higher prices easily knows that it just attracts the things you do not want to. The successful / rich looking will get you easy pussy in States but not in Colombia it will get you problems.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2762925]Is there a scenario where they can drug you without you drinking? I've heard stories through the years of such but they all seem to be too far-fetch in my opinion.[/QUOTE]In your food.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2762888]I find very useful Google earth / street views to check the buildings and the address on it, most streets are up to date.[/QUOTE]For casas especially, Street View is great to find the right door.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2762925]Is there a scenario where they can drug you without you drinking? I've heard stories through the years of such but they all seem to be too far-fetch in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Yes I've heard the stories.

1. They blow the power into your face. That's James Bond, not real life. It would require exceptional precision and timing, and you'd still be "what the fuck? Hey asshole what was that all about?

2. The girl puts it on her skin, so when you kiss her you get drugged. That's a lot of kissing and would require about 10 times the dosage. Plus Scopolamine can be absorbed through the skin so they are more likely to drug themselves.

3. They put it on doorknobs. That one came from a YouTube Medellin "expert. " Unless you're sucking doorknobs or immediately linking your hands after grabbing a doorknob, not much of a risk.

Occam's Razor. The easiest way is probably the right way. It's not difficult for a pretty girl to get a gringo to drink with her. It's not complicated for a pretty girl to distract a drunk gringo long enough to put something in his drink. If you're in a bar suggested by the girl, she can easily have accomplices drug your drink.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762930] Other reports talk about a 'Zombie' state. I didn't experience that, but it may have just been due to my dosage. My experience was more akin to what people say when they've been date raped.[/QUOTE]This whole topic raises a question that perhaps you and / or others can answer. Whatever the drugs are that get used, will the victim be in a state of mind where they would open a security box in their apartment knowingly while intoxicated / drugged, etc. I know guys with a gun to their head would do so, but it sounds like in a lot of cases the guys just pass out and then get robbed. And your to be commended for sharing your experience, you can never let your guard down because when you least expect it, you can jacked up.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762923]I will say that historically I've invited the Paisas I thought were non-pros over to my place for some dinner drinks on the 2nd or 3rd date. Even this will stop for here on out. No more non-pros unless through Paisa friends.[/QUOTE]I understand how you are feeling coming off of the incident, but it does not have to stop. If the chick is a real nonpro and not someone up to no good then it is easy to find this out by vetting her.

One of the first things I ask a chick is what she does for a living. If she does not have a job that she goes to everyday from this time to this time then yellow flags should go up. Every nonpro chick that I know in Colombia has some type of job or is an actual full time student. And I know a lot of freaking Colombian chicks. That is why when I am in Bogota, Barranquilla, or Cali I am alone in the daytime. All the nonpros are at a real job or in a real school building. The don't have idle time to putz off.

Colombia is not like the Dominican Republic where chicks will sit on their ass for years staring at the sky without a job. Chicks that have jobs are not the ones out doing this kind of nefarious stuff.

That's OK, because these girls are the ones you really should not be barebacking. Hi mileage. Probably been banged raw multiple times in the past. With hardened pros, I always use a condom even though, like you, I hate them and much prefer bareback.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2762814]

The only issue is that if you are going to insist on barebacking, you will miss out on some very attractive girls who seem very promising but will not go bareback for obvious reasons. I am going to open it up to very attractive girls who at least provide BBBJ next time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762726]This is a good place for this.

Almost everyone carries a phone. Many bring a cheap phone to use. Keep the phone in a front pants pocket. If you need to look at the phone, step into a building or stop and put your back against the wall. Before pulling out your phone look both ways to see if anyone is watching you. Have Google Maps open with your destination marked. That way you only need a few seconds to get your bearings.

The street signs aren't on poles at the corners. They are mounted on the buildings at the corner. Street addresses are a measure of distance, in meters from the lower number cross street. For example, New Life's address is Calle 56 #43-39. It's on Calle 56,39 meters west of Carrera 43. Since it's an odd number it's on the south side. To make it easier, you go through the blue door and up the stairs, through a second security gate.

You'll only find white taxis at the airport. The taxis in Medellin are yellow. When you exit New Life turn left. Walk 2 blocks to Avenida Oriental. You can't miss it, it's the biggest street in the area. Cross Oriental and turn left. Walk 3 blocks (busy street, lots of people) and turn right on Avenida Maracaibo. That will take you to the Metro tracks. Turn left and you'll see Plaza Botero. You can find a taxi there, or walk to the Parque Berrio Metro station.[/QUOTE]Excellent info! Thanks!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762726]....Keep the phone in a front pants pocket. If you need to look at the phone, step into a building or stop and put your back against the wall. Before pulling out your phone look both ways to see if anyone is watching you. Have Google Maps open with your destination marked. That way you only need a few seconds to get your bearings...........
[/QUOTE]A small supplement to JjBee's useful advice, which captures my own cell phone security practice, except for the following additional precaution which some might find useful.

My every sojourn in Medellin, I intend to get a SIM card for a burner phone, but never get around to doing so, and instead end up carrying my "irreplaceable" iPhone with me most everywhere. However, especially in sketchy neighborhoods or at night, as an added theft-prevention measure, instead of carrying my phone in a front pocket, I'll tuck it under my shirt and belt and halfway into my underpants It always has felt quite secure lodged in there, albeit my happening to sport jockey shorts rather than boxer briefs may provide a little extra protection against the phone slipping unnoticed down a pants leg. I still find it quite easy to extract the phone when stepping into a doorway to check a text or google maps. Been doing this for five years now when mongering in Colombia and never have misplaced a phone or had one ripped off.

I have been in Medellin & Bogota 5 times. Only the last time it rained so much I left early (after 10 weeks) trying to shoot pictures of waterfalls with a drone was a disaster. Rainy day women are fun but even they get tiring. So I have a 3 week trip planned / booked to arrive next week, Thanksgiving. OR I can cancel that and come for 3 weeks starting February 15. Who has an opinion I know it will be cold in Bogota, doesn't bother me. I know it will rain on and off in Medellin. I hate High humidly with the heat in Cartagena (OK never been there as yet) Which time of the year would you guys recommend. Now or February?

Side note: it will be sunny and 72 F in Tijuana / Ensenada / San Diego all winter. Bullets flying. (not raining bullets on me I hope) been there far too many times.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2762822]There's a picture of her in this link.

[URL]https://nextshark.com/california-man-found-dead-after-tinder-date-in-colombia/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook[/URL]#Echobox=1668639621.[/QUOTE]Terrible that they felt they needed to kill him after drugging him.

Maybe he resisted at one point or another, or he might have died from an adverse reaction to the drug that they used.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2763192]Terrible that they felt they needed to kill him after drugging him.[/QUOTE]

I just noticed the report that the visit to Medellin was his first trip outside the United States. I was surprised to see that because I saw an earlier report that described him as an avid traveler.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2763192]Terrible that they felt they needed to kill him after drugging him.[/QUOTE]

It seems a bit excessive but I'm glad it works for you.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2763077]A small supplement to JjBee's useful advice, which captures my own cell phone security practice, except for the following additional precaution which some might find useful.

My every sojourn in Medellin, I intend to get a SIM card for a burner phone, but never get around to doing so, and instead end up carrying my "irreplaceable" iPhone with me most everywhere. However, especially in sketchy neighborhoods or at night, as an added theft-prevention measure, instead of carrying my phone in a front pocket, I'll tuck it under my shirt and belt and halfway into my underpants It always has felt quite secure lodged in there, albeit my happening to sport jockey shorts rather than boxer briefs may provide a little extra protection against the phone slipping unnoticed down a pants leg. I still find it quite easy to extract the phone when stepping into a doorway to check a text or google maps. Been doing this for five years now when mongering in Colombia and never have misplaced a phone or had one ripped off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2763192]Terrible that they felt they needed to kill him after drugging him.[/QUOTE]Often it is because of dosage of the drug. The "homemade" version is very likely unpredictable as far as strength.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2763213]Often it is because of dosage of the drug. The "homemade" version is very likely unpredictable as far as strength.[/QUOTE]Also they got to work very quick. Its not like they are going to carry a spatula around with them and measure it out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2762950]... will the victim be in a state of mind where they would open a security box in their apartment knowingly while intoxicated / drugged, etc. ....[/QUOTE]There is a guy who rides a BMW Adventure was drugged by a Tinder date and hold for several days to empty his bank account. Search robbery in Colombia on youtube and look at the incidents reported this year and you will get an idea about safety in Colombia. Several bloggers were robbed and most of them consider themselves experienced traveler.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2763067]Excellent info! Thanks![/QUOTE]You don't need to take out your phone if you have a Bluetooth headset and use it to listen the the instruction from the map.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2762950]This whole topic raises a question that perhaps you and / or others can answer. [/QUOTE]It also raises another question. What happened to the steaks he was cooking?

While I don't live there, I travel to Medellin monthly. So based on that, my answer is that, from a weather perspective, neither time is any better or worse than the other AT THE MOMENT. The weather in Medellin has been shit (with rare exceptions) for more than one year. And my ex-in-laws report to me that there's been a lot of rain in Bogota as well. Eventually La Nina will pass and Medellin will get back to being the City of Eternal Spring,. But not yet. So pick the time that works best for you or do both.

P.S. - to reiterate, it's currently not a "rain on and off" situation in Medellin. It's mostly rain on. My recollection is that you often get a few hours in the morning that are nice and if you are lucky it extends into the early afternoon, but after that expect there to be rain in the afternoon and evening. Sometimes all night. It's been kind of a bummer. Luckily the jacuzzi on the roof of the apartment where I stay has a roof over the top of it, so I can at least be in the jacuzzi when it rains, optimally with a chica.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2763151]I have been in Medellin & Bogota 5 times. Only the last time it rained so much I left early (after 10 weeks) trying to shoot pictures of waterfalls with a drone was a disaster. Rainy day women are fun but even they get tiring. So I have a 3 week trip planned / booked to arrive next week, Thanksgiving. OR I can cancel that and come for 3 weeks starting February 15. Who has an opinion I know it will be cold in Bogota, doesn't bother me. I know it will rain on and off in Medellin. I hate High humidly with the heat in Cartagena (OK never been there as yet) Which time of the year would you guys recommend. Now or February?

Side note: it will be sunny and 72 F in Tijuana / Ensenada / San Diego all winter. Bullets flying. (not raining bullets on me I hope) been there far too many times.[/QUOTE]

Is the Hotel Nutibara guest friendly? I stayed there in Jan 2019 and they did not allow guests after 6 PM. I wonder what is the policy now.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2763294]Is the Hotel Nutibara guest friendly? I stayed there in Jan 2019 and they did not allow guests after 6 PM. I wonder what is the policy now.[/QUOTE]For me they are chica friendly, but I follow rules: real ID req and left with reception, and only short time 1-2 hour conjugal visits. Also being a frequent client helps! Luvchicas.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2763294]Is the Hotel Nutibara guest friendly? I stayed there in Jan 2019 and they did not allow guests after 6 PM. I wonder what is the policy now.[/QUOTE]I was just there in August / Sept and didn't have any issues.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2762930]Yes, it was slipped in a shot / trago of aguadiente.

To be honest, I rarely drink hard liquor anymore, but I had bought it to take to a Paisa friends place later in the week for a small get together. When the girl arrived we had some red wine first. Then she saw the aguadiente and asked if I liked it, which I affirmed. She said she did too (which should have been a sign as most girls don't! I opened it and poured small shots first as she only looked like 110 lbs.

I then put some steaks on the balcony grill and continued chatting with her through the doorway (I speak conversational spanish). I wrap up steaks and go back inside where she has larger pre poured shots suggests we do another one. I say ok if you do yours first. She does, gives me a wink, and says your turn. I do mine next and as I did it I could see it was cloudy, but it was too late. Hit me like a ton of bricks and 'big tree, fell hard'.

Other reports talk about a 'Zombie' state. I didn't experience that, but it may have just been due to my dosage. My experience was more akin to what people say when they've been date raped.[/QUOTE]Amigo, I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you thank God you're alive but I do want to steer you somewhere it wouldn't be a bad idea if you went to Facebook and joined the group Medellin hall of shame, that group focuses on prevention of getting drugged or robbed by the girls we date in Medellin also they post everybody's story it would be great if you could post your story there. You could possibly save somebody's life add yourself to the group and mention when you're trying to join that you had recently got scoped. Nobody in the group has ever been drugged since they joined it definitely helps.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762948]Yes I've heard the stories.

1. They blow the power into your face. That's James Bond, not real life. It would require exceptional precision and timing, and you'd still be "what the fuck? Hey asshole what was that all about?

2. The girl puts it on her skin, so when you kiss her you get drugged. That's a lot of kissing and would require about 10 times the dosage. Plus Scopolamine can be absorbed through the skin so they are more likely to drug themselves.

3. They put it on doorknobs. That one came from a YouTube Medellin "expert. " Unless you're sucking doorknobs or immediately linking your hands after grabbing a doorknob, not much of a risk.

Occam's Razor. The easiest way is probably the right way. It's not difficult for a pretty girl to get a gringo to drink with her. It's not complicated for a pretty girl to distract a drunk gringo long enough to put something in his drink. If you're in a bar suggested by the girl, she can easily have accomplices drug your drink.[/QUOTE]Any day of the week I would rather be paranoid than drugged and robbed. Is it possible new drugs and methods can emerge? IDK, but bottom line, know the rules of the game before you roll the dice. More rules you know, greater the chances of winning. Any game where the loser ends up drugged / robbed / maybe even dead- is a game I want my odds as high as possible. To each their own though.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2762950]This whole topic raises a question that perhaps you and / or others can answer. Whatever the drugs are that get used, will the victim be in a state of mind where they would open a security box in their apartment knowingly while intoxicated / drugged, etc. I know guys with a gun to their head would do so, but it sounds like in a lot of cases the guys just pass out and then get robbed. And your to be commended for sharing your experience, you can never let your guard down because when you least expect it, you can jacked up.[/QUOTE]I can only share my experience. I don't think these girls are smart enough to titrate the dose and I do believe I was given scolpamine vs ketamine or something else.

My dose was somewhat cloudy and I believe quite large, enough to knock me out quickly and completely for 2 days (scary stuff), but I survived as I'm 210 lbs. I'm making a leap, but Paul (kid who was killed) may have been given a similar dose and being smaller didn't make it.

One member asked about security, the girl, and girl's potential accomplice. Firstly, this building is in a nice Laureles neighborhood (Conquistadores) and did not have security / portero. I've been going to Medellin for 10 years and thought I was fine without it. Had stayed at this place 2 times prior. And liked the ease of a couple girls a day and more of my own place. While there is no security you do need a key to be let out of the building. None of my keys were taken so I'm still not completely sure how she got out or how she was smart enough to think of it. I do think she (and potential accomplice) could have been rummaging through my things for 2-3 hours while I was passed out though as the steaks were half eaten (bastards!) and they found a few things I'd hidden. At some point she / they recognized the need for door keys and found them in my main room.

I am guessing that she had an accomplice based upon the number of items taken (loaded into luggage which she also stole) and that I was in communication with her. Or whomever responded, afterwards and they noted discussions with their 'novio. ' I was trying to buy my items back, but it didn't work out. I also had / have decent cuts on my arms and hands although I'm not sure if they're from me defending myself or falling. They did use my face image to get into my phone and laptop, so I could have been trying to prevent that. It remains a mystery.

Also, for what it's worth, My credit cards were also used in the Manrique, Boston, and Bello areas while I was knocked out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2762979]I understand how you are feeling coming off of the incident, but it does not have to stop. If the chick is a real nonpro and not someone up to no good then it is easy to find this out by vetting her.

One of the first things I ask a chick is what she does for a living..... The don't have idle time to putz off.

Colombia is not like the Dominican Republic where chicks will sit on their ass for years staring at the sky without a job. Chicks that have jobs are not the ones out doing this kind of nefarious stuff.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right about due diligence, although I don't know that they all need a serious job. Many girls I'm with, and same with others, are students or 'influencers / sugar babbies'. What I will share is that someone on FB or Reddit mentioned that he won't go out with a girl that doesn't at least have IG. I'd say 95% of young Colombian women have it. I mean this is a country heavily focused on aesthetics and image. If she won't share then something is up. If you have that from them and some interaction I think you can weed out a good number of the bad ones.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2763329]Amigo, I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you thank God you're alive but I do want to steer you somewhere it wouldn't be a bad idea if you went to Facebook and joined the group Medellin hall of shame, that group focuses on prevention of getting drugged or robbed by the girls we date in Medellin also they post everybody's story it would be great if you could post your story there. You could possibly save somebody's life add yourself to the group and mention when you're trying to join that you had recently got scoped. Nobody in the group has ever been drugged since they joined it definitely helps.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that! I was invited to the Scolopamine group for Colombia. Is that the same one? There are 4,000 guys in that. Unfortunately this drugging is quite prevalent.

The Scolopamine group was also helpful to make connections with those that want to raise awareness of this and force the Medellin Mayor and Police to do a bit more about it. Who knows what might happen, but stay tuned.

Wait, WTAF, there is a scolopamine group that is 4,000 strong? My life has been a lie.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763350]Thank you for that! I was invited to the Scolopamine group for Colombia. Is that the same one? There are 4,000 guys in that. Unfortunately this drugging is quite prevalent.

The Scolopamine group was also helpful to make connections with those that want to raise awareness of this and force the Medellin Mayor and Police to do a bit more about it. Who knows what might happen, but stay tuned.[/QUOTE]

January through April and June through October are the least rainy periods in Medellin.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2763288]While I don't live there, I travel to Medellin monthly. So based on that, my answer is that, from a weather perspective, neither time is any better or worse than the other AT THE MOMENT. The weather in Medellin has been shit (with rare exceptions) for more than one year. And my ex-in-laws report to me that there's been a lot of rain in Bogota as well. Eventually La Nina will pass and Medellin will get back to being the City of Eternal Spring,. But not yet. So pick the time that works best for you or do both.

P.S. - to reiterate, it's currently not a "rain on and off" situation in Medellin. It's mostly rain on. My recollection is that you often get a few hours in the morning that are nice and if you are lucky it extends into the early afternoon, but after that expect there to be rain in the afternoon and evening. Sometimes all night. It's been kind of a bummer. Luckily the jacuzzi on the roof of the apartment where I stay has a roof over the top of it, so I can at least be in the jacuzzi when it rains, optimally with a chica.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2762925]Is there a scenario where they can drug you without you drinking? I've heard stories through the years of such but they all seem to be too far-fetch in my opinion.[/QUOTE]There are other possibilities as others have listed. But the easiest by far is in a drink. Which doesn't necessarily have to be alcoholic.

Watch your drink, whether it be booze or Diet Coke.

And they're less likely to do it in a public place because if you go unconscious in a restaurant or club, it might be hard to explain. Which doesn't mean it will never happen.

The drugging is much more of a concern for me than anything that could be stolen from me. I could replace everything in my apartment and dispute or pay off unauthorized credit card charges without a problem. You never know how you will react to a substance you haven't previously ingested. It's frightening to even think about it.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763347]I can only share my experience. I don't think these girls are smart enough to titrate the dose and I do believe I was given scolpamine vs ketamine or something else.

My dose was somewhat cloudy and I believe quite large, enough to knock me out quickly and completely for 2 days (scary stuff), but I survived as I'm 210 lbs. I'm making a leap, but Paul (kid who was killed) may have been given a similar dose and being smaller didn't make it.

One member asked about security, the girl, and girl's potential accomplice. Firstly, this building is in a nice Laureles neighborhood (Conquistadores) and did not have security / portero. I've been going to Medellin for 10 years and thought I was fine without it. Had stayed at this place 2 times prior. And liked the ease of a couple girls a day and more of my own place. While there is no security you do need a key to be let out of the building. None of my keys were taken so I'm still not completely sure how she got out or how she was smart enough to think of it. I do think she (and potential accomplice) could have been rummaging through my things for 2-3 hours while I was passed out though as the steaks were half eaten (bastards!) and they found a few things I'd hidden. At some point she / they recognized the need for door keys and found them in my main room.

I am guessing that she had an accomplice based upon the number of items taken (loaded into luggage which she also stole) and that I was in communication with her. Or whomever responded, afterwards and they noted discussions with their 'novio. ' I was trying to buy my items back, but it didn't work out. I also had / have decent cuts on my arms and hands although I'm not sure if they're from me defending myself or falling. They did use my face image to get into my phone and laptop, so I could have been trying to prevent that. It remains a mystery.

Also, for what it's worth, My credit cards were also used in the Manrique, Boston, and Bello areas while I was knocked out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763347]I can only share my experience. Also, for what it's worth, My credit cards were also used in the Manrique, , and Bello areas while I was knocked out.[/QUOTE]What your sharing is an eye opener, as nobody on this thread as I recall over the past five years has ever shared in such detail as to what happened to them after being drugged like you.

A heavy duty wake up call for sure.

I'm assuming there was no safety box in the apartment, or if there was, it had a physical key versus being electric?

And what about your Passport, did they leave that behind?

And again, thanks for sharing your story!

MDE comments.

I have not been to MDE in several years and only two times in the last dozen years or so and not an expert. But I remember my first time quite well. It was def going to be a mongering trip and I was also traveling solo. Through these pages, I met this middle age fellow from NYC area and we arranged to meet on my arrival. When the date finally arrived, I met this guy and his quite unattractive Colombian GF at a cafe in MDE. He was not a handsome guy, bald, overweight and did not seem very worldly either. Nevertheless, he did give me the lowdown at the time on how to pursue chicks in MDE and we parted friends shortly after.

I did not contact him again and went my own way. I found a small hotel to stay near Parque Lleras owned by an American guy named Tom who was a former Florida cop. From what I heard, he has long since fled the scene and returned to US. Another American I know called Dave F. Owned a bar at the time in Parque Lleras called The Alamo. I met him there on of my first nights in MDE and also met this Colombian girl. She was with some friends and a cousin from Florida. We all ended up at her friends condo where her buddy told me go ahead and bang her if you want, which I promptly did at his condo. She ended up being a bit needy so threw back in the pond but did also monger a bit at one of the clubs. Think I was at Fase1 or something similar. Had one hottie from there before I left town.

However, a few weeks after I left, I read that the guy I met off ISG was found dead in a short term hotel room. Don't think they ever solved it like so many others since then.

I visited another time because I met a nice woman and her Mom who were traveling in Peru and invited me for a visit. Though I never got laid, I did enjoy my time with as as they took me to their relatives finca out by the airport. Overall it was a good time but as on my first trip it rained constantly and it was the cold and hard version so for me coming for the weather does not make sense.

But it seems to me that MDE is much too dangerous to even consider coming again. Going through all the elaborate means to hide your phone, vet the chicas, and generally keep your wits about you does not a good holiday make.

Mr international made a great point. If these girls have no jobs and are "loosely" employed yellow flags should go up. See how she talks, especially in texting. If the slang is strong, probably not a university student either. Again, this is something guys who live there or visit would spot more easily who are the grillas, or the scope queens. It's actually quite easy to spot the non grillas. But these chicks are not so easy to crack and are not into p4 p perhaps especially if you are not in their social circle or know locals. The weekend warriors and mongers who visit sporadically I am assuming stick to the p4 p girls who happen to look more on the grilla side. Again, there are normal looking girls who may work on the side etc. Just takes time to find them.

I'm going to go off on a tangent as I want to share my experiences. I lived full time in medellin for 2 years several years back and visit every year for a few weeks since. When I first visited medellin I stayed in an Airbnb in laureles and a roommate said that he keeps his wallet in the fridge where the butter is kept. Yet I read in. A post here that the crooks actually took the butter too! I am certain they will ransack the apartment. What advice could I give you? Use a burner phone, old laptop and have a second credit card that has a max withdrawal rate per week or month etc. What's wrong with love motels? The locals use them. I read on here and shout out to the poster this particular motel has electronic locks on the doors. Nobody can leave without being escorted. Ok, let's say she is brazen and drugs you up in the motel and does a faux hysteric Latina berserk "show". Much like how Colombians use the phrase haciendo el show when children act out. Let's hope the motel staff keep her while the police are called. There are phone tracking apps where you can follow your phone. There are apps which can help you track other peoples phones. It's on the illegal side so I won't get into that part.

What's going to happen to these scopa gangs? My guess is that there will be more of them as the economy is not looking good anywhere. Ohhh saw a great documentary by vice on the synthetic drug tussi. Guys stay away from that crap. It got its name from 2 cb which was created in the 1970's but this new version even may have fentanyl. This version is not 2 cb. It's a concoction of drugs with pink food colouring. Any chick doing it in your apartment just be careful she does not die then you have a headache dealing with police etc. Even false accusations ohhh you gringo monster poisoned this angels from Manrique with the huge tattoo on her leg and her name is "Leidy Yanet Quintero Restrepo (made up name). Tussi is not 2 cb.

Told ya off on a tangent. Next address I hope to talk about more healthier stuff like 3 somes etc. Confession, that is still on my bucket list. To each his own. Guys be safe! Remember there are motels that are more secure than your building. They are quite affordable and safer IMHO.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763350]Thank you for that! I was invited to the Scolopamine group for Colombia. Is that the same one? There are 4,000 guys in that. Unfortunately this drugging is quite prevalent.

The Scolopamine group was also helpful to make connections with those that want to raise awareness of this and force the Medellin Mayor and Police to do a bit more about it. Who knows what might happen, but stay tuned.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/mdehallofshame[/URL] they are posting about the girl.

Someone make a long list of SAFE Vs. RISKY ways of getting laid here. Put it into a post of distinction and save some lives. Elvis?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2763416][URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/mdehallofshame[/URL] they are posting about the girl.

Someone make a long list of SAFE Vs. RISKY ways of getting laid here. Put it into a post of distinction and save some lives. Elvis?[/QUOTE]The post needs to be posted elsewhere, then the link posted in links to posts of distinction. I'll work on it if I can finish before the drugs kick in.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2762948]Yes I've heard the stories.

1. They blow the power into your face. That's James Bond, not real life. It would require exceptional precision and timing, and you'd still be "what the fuck? Hey asshole what was that all about?

2. The girl puts it on her skin, so when you kiss her you get drugged. That's a lot of kissing and would require about 10 times the dosage. Plus Scopolamine can be absorbed through the skin so they are more likely to drug themselves.

3. They put it on doorknobs. That one came from a YouTube Medellin "expert. " Unless you're sucking doorknobs or immediately linking your hands after grabbing a doorknob, not much of a risk.

Occam's Razor. The easiest way is probably the right way. It's not difficult for a pretty girl to get a gringo to drink with her. It's not complicated for a pretty girl to distract a drunk gringo long enough to put something in his drink. If you're in a bar suggested by the girl, she can easily have accomplices drug your drink.[/QUOTE]According to the below article, you cannot be drugged through skin absorption or getting the drug blown into your face. It's definitely being administered through drinks. I'm visiting Medellin next month for the first time, but when I was in Bogota, I made sure to never leave my drink unattended (even when they were in my apartment) and didn't get drunk. If I took a drink from my fridge, I made sure it was sealed. I may have let one take a sip from my bottle, but still kept eyes on her.

[URL]https://amp.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2015/sep/02/devils-breath-aka-scopolamine-can-it-really-zombify-you[/URL]

I see Chicago85 is an experienced traveler and his story reminds me that having a front desk that scans all visitors' ID is important. You can't avoid all scammer, but having to provide their real names and photos can help keep you safe.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2763371]The drugging is much more of a concern for me than anything that could be stolen from me. I could replace everything in my apartment and dispute or pay off unauthorized credit card charges without a problem. You never know how you will react to a substance you haven't previously ingested. It's frightening to even think about it.[/QUOTE]Yes indeed, those doing the drugging aren't physicians, and you could easily die. If your going to be robbed, might as well be with a gun held to your head.

After all this discussion about drugging's, I am going to bring it back to why guys come to Colombia, the young attractive chicas and the good GFE experiences for a reasonable price.

I was in Medellin during the same week that Paul and. Was killed and a fellow board member was drugged and robbed. I already posed a short trip summary so you know that I had a good time and everything went well. There was no time when I felt in danger and I did not have any concerns about any of my girls. I stuck exclusively to Facebook and I chatted for a while with most of the girls who I decided to meet to come to my hotel room. My hotel copied the ID card of the girls.

I will describe my experience with MM and it was typical of all my sessions.

I had chatted with her a few weeks prior to my trip and we had pleasant small talk. She did the usual sweet talk about how excited she was to meet me and how handsome I was.

Then I contacted her when I was in Medellin and she said she wanted to meet me. I offered 200 mil for 2 hours plus transport and she accepted. I asked for sex without a condom and she said that would be fine. I was busy with other girls for a while but when I finally got back to her, she was eager to meet. She arrived within 30 minutes of the scheduled time which is acceptable to me in light of traffic in Medellin.

She is 24, slim, petite, small breasts, pretty face, no kids. She is a webcam model. She spoke some English but not a lot. I speak some basic Spanish but not a lot. Google Translate was very helpful.

She was very friendly and easy to chat with (using the translator).

I gave her a sensual massage to start and she said she really enjoyed it. I enjoyed putting my hands all over that beautiful body and I find that a massage puts a woman at ease.

She has smooth skin. She gave me a good blowjob, mixing up techniques and I was happy. Then she got on top, grabbed my cock and eased it in. Nothing like the first moment when your cock slips into a tight pussy bareback. It's very nice. She was very energetic and really got into it. Then we switched to doggy which is always great for the view and I pounded away. Finally, for the finish, we switched to missionary and I pumped away until I finished with a nice creampie. She was in no rush to get me off her.

It was a nice GFE session. We had some chit chat before and after the session and she did stay 2 hours. She told me she uses a dildo when she does webcam but she does not do anal with the dildo. During a webcam session recently, a guy had asked her to put it in her ass and she said no and said she would refunded his money instead. This is definitely a girl who tries to give you your money's worth and I felt that during the session. She is a good find and I would see her again.

Some guys have asked me for the contact info for the girls that I have seen. This is my take on it. I have put in the hours to set up a good Facebook profile, find FB girls, chatted with a large number of girls, engaged in a lot of chatting to find out more about them, tried to screen out the bad ones and find the good ones, and I think my efforts have been successful at finding good girls in MDE.

Now anonymous strangers want me to give them the names of these girls that I have seen after all this effort in exchange for absolutely nothing. It just doesn't seem like a good deal to me. There is definitely plenty of downside. The girls will get busier and perhaps raise their prices. And very little upside for me as far as I can see. Now I know that some of you may say, you should share for the good of the monger community, share and share alike. Well, for me, sharing means an exchange of information and, that is not what is happening here. Very few guys here are willing to share the contact info of their best girls for the reasons that I have mentioned or they have very little to share. There is also the fact that these FB girls are semi-pros and not openly advertising as escorts similar to Seeking girls.

I have actually shared contact info for agencies and online escorts with over 30 guys in my posting for Guadalajara so I think I already done my part in giving back.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2763375]What your sharing is an eye opener, as nobody on this thread as I recall over the past five years has ever shared in such detail as to what happened to them after being drugged like you.

A heavy duty wake up call for sure. I'm assuming there was no safety box in the apartment, or if there was, it had a physical key versus being electric?

And what about your Passport, did they leave that behind? And again, thanks for sharing your story![/QUOTE]I just want to help ensure everyone is safe and this goes beyond any concerns of personal embarrassment, at least for me. The success of those that drug is based on people not reporting and the cops doing nothing. The more that this is reported, the less successful they will be. And I agree with others that the attempts will become much more prevalent in the future given the economy unless the Medellin politicians and police are forced to do something (ie be tougher on those committing these crimes). Right now it's a slap on the wrist in Colombia whereas I believe date rape / drugging is a serious felony in the US. I mean, several individuals have died from it so you could also charge with attempted murder.

Getting to your questions. There were a series of filing cabinets with locks that I used to put my computer, money, CCs, and ID in. I then put the locks in 3 different places. Since I was out for a long period of time they found two of these keys and took items. Unfortunately these two areas had most of my stuff. I also hid some money and IDs in inserts for my shoes. This they did not find and is what I used to get back on my feed. Along with help from friends in Melling.

They did take the Passport, which is a pain in the ass to replace. I needed to fly to Bogota and get an Emergency Passport with the US Embassy. While I was there I met another guy (younger kid) who had also been drugged in Medellin and doing the same. The US Embassy was relatively efficient about it. I entered the Embassy at 9:30 am and had a Passport by 2:30 pm that day and flew out late that night. The thing that was frustrating is that they didn't seem to care much that I had been the victim of a serious crime (assault and battery). I asked to speak with an official there and they said they were aware of Paul's murder, and increasing crime, but there was not much they could do and that it was entirely up to me to follow up with the Medellin Police. I was not expecting a lott of hand holding, but the US has historically given Colombia a tremendous amount of aid annually ($500M to $1B) and accepted HUGE numbers of immigrants each year. I thought we'd have more influence.

There's another tool there's a website that's free it's called chicacheck. Co. The guy uploaded 10,000 Colombian Facebook profiles of girls you can run your girl through the search and get her Facebook profile or you can add a review on some of the girls or even upload photos it's a brand new site so they don't have a lot of the details filled in yet but it's a great place to start they're going to post a section called bad girls of Medellin and it's going to have pictures of all the girls that were accused of robberies and druggies and you could just swipe through them to see if your date is one of those photos check it out it's free Chicacheck. Co it's up to us to give the reviews and fill in the blanks.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763567]I just want to help ensure everyone is safe and this goes beyond any concerns of personal embarrassment, at least for me. The success of those that drug is based on people not reporting and the cops doing nothing. The more that this is reported, the less successful they will be. And I agree with others that the attempts will become much more prevalent in the future given the economy unless the Medellin politicians and police are forced to do something (ie be tougher on those committing these crimes).[/QUOTE]I definitely appreciate other members being candid about these dangers because I assume most men never report it due to the social stigma. There was another member a few days ago that wrote a story about getting into a car with a woman and getting mugged by a gang. My takeaway is Medellin is more dangerous than Bogota, where I felt safe walking around at night by myself (though I did stay in the Parque 93 and Zona Rosa areas, which are some of the most upscale neighborhoods).

I had a lot of success using Seeking in Bogota and plan on doing the same in Medellin (also might try FB). I think it's safer when you're texting the girl for a couple weeks before arriving because there's a time investment that most scammers won't bother with. If someone is trying to rob you, it's going to be a numbers game where she is trying to meet up with as many men as soon as possible.

Tinder and Bumble are also geared towards anonymity because you can't browse through profiles like Seeking or FB. You're shown 1 girl at a time and once they block you, you won't be able to find her profile again. You also can't tell how long they've been on the app. Seeking at least shows you that they've been on the site for a while and if they block you there, you can just create a new account and find her profile again. With FB, you can at least see her friends, posting activity, and make a better guess if her info on there is real. Again, none of this is foolproof, but I think it will reduce the overall risk.

There appears to be a companion website to the mdehallofshame FB group chicacheck. Co, free to join and the FB group asks you to sign up for chicacheck before joining. You can search FB chica reviews by name or FB profile link. Glad someone did started this.

Once again, we all owe you a debt of gratitude for sharing what happened. I'm convinced it will prevent it happening to us. Diplomats who man embassies and consulates are not responsible for law enforcement or criminal investigations. Their role is to assist and facilitate when citizens get involved with local law enforcement, either as crime victims or crime suspects. We are each responsible for our own dealings with local law enforcement. That is an unpopular and not widely known fact, but it is a fact. The high profile case of Brittany Griner is an example. The USA State Department is aware of each reported case involving its citizens. It uses that and other information to issue travel warnings.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763567]I just want to help ensure everyone is safe and this goes beyond any concerns of personal embarrassment, at least for me. The success of those that drug is based on people not reporting and the cops doing nothing. The more that this is reported, the less successful they will be. And I agree with others that the attempts will become much more prevalent in the future given the economy unless the Medellin politicians and police are forced to do something (ie be tougher on those committing these crimes). Right now it's a slap on the wrist in Colombia whereas I believe date rape / drugging is a serious felony in the US. I mean, several individuals have died from it so you could also charge with attempted murder.

Getting to your questions. There were a series of filing cabinets with locks that I used to put my computer, money, CCs, and ID in. I then put the locks in 3 different places. Since I was out for a long period of time they found two of these keys and took items. Unfortunately these two areas had most of my stuff. I also hid some money and IDs in inserts for my shoes. This they did not find and is what I used to get back on my feed. Along with help from friends in Melling.

They did take the Passport, which is a pain in the ass to replace. I needed to fly to Bogota and get an Emergency Passport with the US Embassy. While I was there I met another guy (younger kid) who had also been drugged in Medellin and doing the same. The US Embassy was relatively efficient about it. I entered the Embassy at 9:30 am and had a Passport by 2:30 pm that day and flew out late that night. The thing that was frustrating is that they didn't seem to care much that I had been the victim of a serious crime (assault and battery). I asked to speak with an official there and they said they were aware of Paul's murder, and increasing crime, but there was not much they could do and that it was entirely up to me to follow up with the Medellin Police. I was not expecting a lott of hand holding, but the US has historically given Colombia a tremendous amount of aid annually ($500M to $1B) and accepted HUGE numbers of immigrants each year. I thought we'd have more influence.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2763330]Any day of the week I would rather be paranoid than drugged and robbed. Is it possible new drugs and methods can emerge? IDK, but bottom line, know the rules of the game before you roll the dice. More rules you know, greater the chances of winning. Any game where the loser ends up drugged / robbed / maybe even dead- is a game I want my odds as high as possible. To each their own though.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good strategy for russian roulette! Keep playing with the best odds possible so you can tempt fate and procreate.

Is it addiction, instinct, suicidal tendency? Any card carrying psychologists here? Ha ha ha.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763567]I just want to help ensure everyone is safe and this goes beyond any concerns of personal embarrassment, at least for me. The success of those that drug is based on people not reporting and the cops doing nothing. The more that this is reported, the less successful they will be. And I agree with others that the attempts will become much more prevalent in the future given the economy unless the Medellin politicians and police are forced to do something (ie be tougher on those committing these crimes). Right now it's a slap on the wrist in Colombia whereas I believe date rape / drugging is a serious felony in the US. I mean, several individuals have died from it so you could also charge with attempted murder.

Getting to your questions. There were a series of filing cabinets with locks that I used to put my computer, money, CCs, and ID in. I then put the locks in 3 different places. Since I was out for a long period of time they found two of these keys and took items. Unfortunately these two areas had most of my stuff. I also hid some money and IDs in inserts for my shoes. This they did not find and is what I used to get back on my feed. Along with help from friends in Melling.

They did take the Passport, which is a pain in the ass to replace. I needed to fly to Bogota and get an Emergency Passport with the US Embassy. While I was there I met another guy (younger kid) who had also been drugged in Medellin and doing the same. The US Embassy was relatively efficient about it. I entered the Embassy at 9:30 am and had a Passport by 2:30 pm that day and flew out late that night. The thing that was frustrating is that they didn't seem to care much that I had been the victim of a serious crime (assault and battery). I asked to speak with an official there and they said they were aware of Paul's murder, and increasing crime, but there was not much they could do and that it was entirely up to me to follow up with the Medellin Police. I was not expecting a lott of hand holding, but the US has historically given Colombia a tremendous amount of aid annually ($500M to $1B) and accepted HUGE numbers of immigrants each year. I thought we'd have more influence.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you figured it all out, when is your next trip and what will you be doing differently?

Hello all!

I was in Medellin pre covid and had a great time. Met some girls in parque lleras and off photoprepagos. Stayed at an Airbnb. Never had any trouble. Going back now in a few weeks and I notice a lot of people say they met girls via Facebook? I have not done that and would love to know how / where to start. Also concerned about all the issues with crime. I think I should be fine as it's me and another guy friend. We never go anywhere alone, don't get get hammered drunk and watch our drinks, don't do drugs. We do have an Airbnb again by lleras not a hotel but all the reviews mention it being pretty secure. Any advice from recent travelers or advice on the Facebook angle would be appreciated!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763567]I just want to help ensure everyone is safe and this goes beyond any concerns of personal embarrassment, at least for me. The success of those that drug is based on people not reporting and the cops doing nothing. The more that this is reported, the less successful they will be. And I agree with others that the attempts will become much more prevalent in the future given the economy unless the Medellin politicians and police are forced to do something (ie be tougher on those committing these crimes). Right now it's a slap on the wrist in Colombia whereas I believe date rape / drugging is a serious felony in the US. I mean, several individuals have died from it so you could also charge with attempted murder.

Getting to your questions. There were a series of filing cabinets with locks that I used to put my computer, money, CCs, and ID in. I then put the locks in 3 different places. Since I was out for a long period of time they found two of these keys and took items. Unfortunately these two areas had most of my stuff. I also hid some money and IDs in inserts for my shoes. This they did not find and is what I used to get back on my feed. Along with help from friends in Melling.

They did take the Passport, which is a pain in the ass to replace. I needed to fly to Bogota and get an Emergency Passport with the US Embassy. While I was there I met another guy (younger kid) who had also been drugged in Medellin and doing the same. The US Embassy was relatively efficient about it. I entered the Embassy at 9:30 am and had a Passport by 2:30 pm that day and flew out late that night. The thing that was frustrating is that they didn't seem to care much that I had been the victim of a serious crime (assault and battery). I asked to speak with an official there and they said they were aware of Paul's murder, and increasing crime, but there was not much they could do and that it was entirely up to me to follow up with the Medellin Police. I was not expecting a lott of hand holding, but the US has historically given Colombia a tremendous amount of aid annually ($500M to $1B) and accepted HUGE numbers of immigrants each year. I thought we'd have more influence.[/QUOTE]Did the younger guy give you any details on him being drugged?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2763567]I just want to help ensure everyone is safe and this goes beyond any concerns of personal embarrassment, at least for me. The success of those that drug is based on people not reporting and the cops doing nothing. The more that this is reported, the less successful they will be. And I agree with others that the attempts will become much more prevalent in the future given the economy unless the Medellin politicians and police are forced to do something (ie be tougher on those committing these crimes). Right now it's a slap on the wrist in Colombia whereas I believe date rape / drugging is a serious felony in the US. I mean, several individuals have died from it so you could also charge with attempted murder.

Getting to your questions. There were a series of filing cabinets with locks that I used to put my computer, money, CCs, and ID in. I then put the locks in 3 different places. Since I was out for a long period of time they found two of these keys and took items. Unfortunately these two areas had most of my stuff. I also hid some money and IDs in inserts for my shoes. This they did not find and is what I used to get back on my feed. Along with help from friends in Melling.

They did take the Passport, which is a pain in the ass to replace. I needed to fly to Bogota and get an Emergency Passport with the US Embassy. While I was there I met another guy (younger kid) who had also been drugged in Medellin and doing the same. The US Embassy was relatively efficient about it. I entered the Embassy at 9:30 am and had a Passport by 2:30 pm that day and flew out late that night. The thing that was frustrating is that they didn't seem to care much that I had been the victim of a serious crime (assault and battery). I asked to speak with an official there and they said they were aware of Paul's murder, and increasing crime, but there was not much they could do and that it was entirely up to me to follow up with the Medellin Police. I was not expecting a lott of hand holding, but the US has historically given Colombia a tremendous amount of aid annually ($500M to $1B) and accepted HUGE numbers of immigrants each year. I thought we'd have more influence.[/QUOTE]Where were you staying? Was there security there?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2763617]Where were you staying? Was there security there?[/QUOTE]He mentioned in another post there was no doorman, just needed the keys to get out.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2763612]Did the younger guy give you any details on him being drugged?[/QUOTE]Not much. He said he was dating the girl off and on and when he told her he was thinking of ending it with her she got upset and a night or two later she drugged him. He woke up without his passport and laptop. He knew the girl decently well it seemed.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2744513]FYI there is a lower cost, less restrictive casa just next door to Energy. I don't believe it has a name and they no longer do line ups. The girls work off mileroticos and similar web sites, by appointment. How much less than Energy, almost half at 90 K / half four + any extra you can think of.[/QUOTE]I have bin trying to find this place, with no luck. Can you help me with a pointer to a girl who works there?

Thanks.

Sandy.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2763416][URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/mdehallofshame[/URL] they are posting about the girl.

Someone make a long list of SAFE Vs. RISKY ways of getting laid here. Put it into a post of distinction and save some lives. Elvis?[/QUOTE]Surfer, Mr. E. JjBee62 Knowledge Chicago Miami Elvis etc. I think you guys will like these posts over 100 photos of beautiful (& DANGEROUS) girls.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228451034605902&set=g.333681437649949[/URL]

I can send you screen shots or maybe some of you will also join.

Hmm, maybe I should check this out.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2763647]Surfer, Mr. E. JjBee62 Knowledge Chicago Miami Elvis etc. I think you guys will like these posts over 100 photos of beautiful (& DANGEROUS) girls.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228451034605902&set=g.333681437649949[/URL]

I can send you screen shots or maybe some of you will also join.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2763375]I'm assuming there was no safety box in the apartment, or if there was, it had a physical key versus being electric?
[/QUOTE]It does not matter. Look at The Lock Picking Lawyer on youtube and he will show you how easy most safes are to get into. A lot of them can be opened simply with a magnet. Others just by hitting it with your fist while turning the knob.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2763662]Hmm, maybe I should check this out.[/QUOTE]Thanks! The Andrea Restrepo is definitely fake. Don't fall for it guys!

The address is posted several times in the section. You only need to past it into the map website or application of your choice for a street view and walking directions.

[QUOTE=Sandymnn;2763644]I have bin trying to find this place, with no luck. Can you help me with a pointer to a girl who works there?

Thanks.

Sandy.[/QUOTE]

Someone should develop a subscription based service and application that would provide an efficient, structured mini-workflow on a cellphone to gather details around dates (eg Prepagos, SBs), places (address and room numbers), and encounters. For example, it would ask you to take and upload a high quality selfie / ID photo of the individual; photograph the front and back of their cedula; capture screenshot of their social media and / or dating site profile; cellphone number and emergency contact information which it would text and await a confirmation. It would also capture where you plan to entertain the individual and the details of the portero or front desk person working. And timing of planned encounters, requiring you to "close your flight plan" afterwards and, if you fail to do so by a predetermined time, inundate you with texts and, failing a response with a correct passphrase, calling the police or a private security team and a private medical service to visit you.

It could also provide real-time instructions / protocols for defeating common strategems. (For example, after drinks have been poured, switching them twice or thrice (indicated by the app) in front of the girl, and / or cross contaminating them with a syringe or spoon and inviting the guest to drink first with a timer function to see whether they conk out before drinking yours.) The service could also rent out small GPS tracking devices, a dye pack attached to your laptop and valuables bag, motion detectors connected to a high intensity alarm (to do a soft impound of the guest's phone, placed underneath the detector that could only be deactivated with a code that you know, without triggering the audio alarm); and SIM or wi-fi enabled, velcro-attached motion-activated surveillance camera outside the door. ("Antes de entrar, vamos a tomar why enviar un fotico a mi empresa de seguridad privada. Sonrisa! A panic button on the app could be used to communicate to the service that the previously registered encounter is going south and then lock the app. The user would then need to provide a correct passphrase in a video call in order to opt out of an armed, motorcycle-dispatched security response.

It would also be useful find out whether there is a simple lab test for Scopolamine to test a suspect drink.

My guess is that visitors to a place such as Medellin would pay good money for such a subscription and that additional features of this application would also do wonders for other corners of the global personal services industry (possibly to used by by outcall providers as well). Even a greatly simplified minimum viable product of all this might be adequate to defeat most threats.

There is a lot of great IT and call centre talent in Medellin. This would be a great use of their talents.

There is a gofundme page to help with funeral expenses.

[URL]https://www.gofundme.com/f/memorial-for-paul-nguyen[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5EXXE6s0ds&ab_channel=ABC7[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sandymnn;2763644]I have bin trying to find this place, with no luck. Can you help me with a pointer to a girl who works there?

Thanks.

Sandy.[/QUOTE]This has been mentioned a couple of times recently. Follow this post to see the address.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2762112]Yes, I covered this in a post about a week ago. Another member here thought he was in Energy but when he described the location and the prices I knew it was the place you visited. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrGaunt;2763609]Question about facebook
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Go to read Reports of Distinction thread

I am not judging. This is an honest observation. This post strikes me as more plausible as trolling victims than a serious product pitch.

[QUOTE=Dwc14;2763701]Someone should develop a subscription based service and application that would provide an efficient, structured mini-workflow on a cellphone to gather details around dates (eg Prepagos, SBs), places (address and room numbers), and encounters. For example, it would ask you to take and upload a high quality selfie / ID photo of the individual; photograph the front and back of their cedula; capture screenshot of their social media and / or dating site profile; cellphone number and emergency contact information which it would text and await a confirmation. It would also capture where you plan to entertain the individual and the details of the portero or front desk person working. And timing of planned encounters, requiring you to "close your flight plan" afterwards and, if you fail to do so by a predetermined time, inundate you with texts and, failing a response with a correct passphrase, calling the police or a private security team and a private medical service to visit you..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bill;2763602]Sounds like you figured it all out, when is your next trip and what will you be doing differently?[/QUOTE]I guess the moral of the story would be to always stay somewhere that has security 24/7 and ask the Portero to hold on to the Chicas cedula / passport until you physically escort her out of the building. Under these circumstance the worst that could happen is a Chica could get into your safety box / belongings and take things that would not be noticed upon her departure. Like only taking a small amount of money from a wallet, etc.

There's been multiple posts about this happening over the years here.

As probably you guys all know the Government want to discourage sexual tourism. That is why when you get a room at most places they asked you to sign a form to no bring prostitutes etc to the room.

If you need to do that many things to not get drugged is it not better to not bring a girl over? Or go to a sex-motel with the exact amount of money for the prepago and for the room and the driver so if she is about to rob you she won't get nothing?

I mean why do things if your life is in danger. The drugging probably won't stop now. The minimum monthly salary is I think now something less then 200 Dollar. Most cases won't get reported because guys do not want to get the police or building staff involved if they signed to not bring prepagos to their room and if they are reported the police got so many things to do, murder homocide things to solve to looks up girls that drugs tourist. And as many times people could tell a guy about a danger they will probably do it anyway.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2761541]I agree but there's more to it, I'm not knocking anybody but there's a lot of people on here that don't see a value in mutual attraction for example if I go on dates in the states with a girl and I'm attracted to her and she's attracted to me when that moment comes she grabs my arm and pulls me in the bedroom she's hot for me and she wants to fuck and she's doing it to please herself you will never get that from a prostitute you will get a fake performance for me I can feel the energy the longer I'm in this game the less I want high mileage papa goes you know the ones that you negotiate with them they come in your apartment they don't smile they come in the bedroom they take their clothes off and they put a condom on you and do a fake BJ for three minutes then they climb on top of you and say give me the milk why are you taking so long they don't kiss they don't want you to give them oral and they're not there to have an orgasm some people don't understand this but there is a massive difference I mean a world of difference when a girl is hot for you it doesn't matter what she does or what her performances it's 100 times better than a Stone cold prostitute looking for milk and money.[/QUOTE]Exactly. It's "that YUMMM moment".

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2763647]Surfer, Mr. E. JjBee62 Knowledge Chicago Miami Elvis etc. I think you guys will like these posts over 100 photos of beautiful (& DANGEROUS) girls.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228451034605902&set=g.333681437649949[/URL]

I can send you screen shots or maybe some of you will also join.[/QUOTE]Don, I do not play anymore. Thing about Medellin is that I always considered it overrated. On the sugar baby front, some of the women I met there were hot and often good in bed, but too many were short term oriented. Paulie called the whole country of Colombia a scam and I get why he said that, but I am not sure I agree with that statement. If he left it to just Medellin, I probably would agree.

I was in Brazil in 2004, and I was the only one in our party of 3 who did not get mugged. A friend was walking the tourist area of Atlantic Avenue at night and was jumped by 3 guys. No one gave a shit. My brother and I were in the center of town the next day, where there are few tourists, and a pickpocket tried to grab his wallet, and there was like a whole platoon of police after the attempted thief. That told me with the Brazilian police where their priorities were, and it was protecting Brazilians not tourists.

In Cartagena a few years ago, there was a senior member of police busted for trafficking women especially the Vennies. If the police had tie ins to the scopolamine poisonings, and I have no evidence they are, it would not surprise me in the least. There was a guy here named Dublin who called police in Cartagena thinking they would be on his side when WGs tried to rip him off. The police took the WG side and told him to pay the women.

For safety purposes, I always thought it best to get the hotel staff on your side. If they call the police on your behalf, IMO you will be far better off than if you do it on your own. When I stayed in a hotel a while and was screening prospects, I tipped the doormen and staff, joked with them, and got on a first name basis with them. If it is your word against hers, you are probably going to lose. If it is you and a hotel staff's word against hers, IMO I think the odds go in your favor.

Keep in mind though that many hotels do not want to see you brining in women who look like hookers. One of my seeking women came to the Marriott in super short shorts and the manager almost had a seizure. I paid a guest fee just to smooth things over and it calmed him down.

At the end of the day though, the police will do what the pols tell them to, and the pols usually do represent the will of the people. Point is if the people think it is okay to mug mongers, and I get the feeling many think it is okay, then this is going to continue.

At this point, the only way I would go to Medellin is if I screened the women extensively and stayed in a place with high security. Otherwise, I would just avoid it and head to places in Colombia where these poisonings are not an issue or at least much less of one. This is some pretty scary shit.

All,

I will be in Medellin from January 16 to January 21 (5 Days). I reached out like this before and met some good ISG brothers and looking to do the same again. This announcement is to see if anyone is interested in either or both of these two things:

- Lunch.

** I've met other mongers in Medellin on previous trips and had lunch with them. I found the socializing to be good way to get into the groove of a far off city.

** Would aim to have a handshake, trade stories, and tips on locations of girls as we all have our habits that we prefer.

- Provenza.

** I've gone solo through Provenza and never stopped for a sit and a beer there. The place looks too damn nice, too social to keep passing up, but I do not want to do that solo. Provenza is not as easily allow for a solo gringo, so looking for a wingman to simply chill with.

** Looking for possible wingman for dance clubs. An ISG brother sparked my interest, so that is an itch I want to scratch.

That's it. If anyone is up for one or both, message me.

About me: I'm exceptionally normal. No anxiety issues, no prescriptions, no drugs. Just a beer and occasional cigarette from the street vendors.

I'll be in Medellin on December 9th and staying for a week. First time here, but I've been to Bogota twice earlier this year and hooked with 3 of the same girls on both trips.

Here's an odd question: are weekdays or weekends better for meeting up with the FB women in Medellin? I have a girl I met in Bogota that will visit for a couple days. I was wondering if I should have her over the weekend or come during the end of my trip on Wednesday.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763960]Don, I do not play anymore. Thing about Medellin is that I always considered it overrated. On the sugar baby front, some of the women I met there were hot and often good in bed, but too many were short term oriented. Paulie called the whole country of Colombia a scam and I get why he said that, but I am not sure I agree with that statement. If he left it to just Medellin, I probably would agree.

I was in Brazil in 2004, and I was the only one in our party of 3 who did not get mugged. (GREAT STORY) A friend was walking the tourist area of Atlantic Avenue at night and was jumped by 3 guys. No one gave a shit. My brother and I were in the center of town the next day, where there are few tourists, and a pickpocket tried to grab his wallet, and there was like a whole platoon of police after the attempted thief. That told me with the Brazilian police where their priorities were, and it was protecting Brazilians not tourists.

In Cartagena a few years ago, there was a senior member of police busted for trafficking women especially the Vennies. If the police had tie ins to the scopolamine poisonings, and I have no evidence they are, it would not surprise me in the least. There was a guy here named Dublin who called police in Cartagena thinking they would be on his side when WGs tried to rip him off. The police took the WG side and told him to pay the women.

For safety purposes, I always thought it best to get the hotel staff on your side. If they call the police on your behalf, IMO you will be far better off than if you do it on your own. When I stayed in a hotel a while and was screening prospects, I tipped the doormen and staff, joked with them, and got on a first name basis with them. If it is your word against hers, you are probably going to lose. If it is you and a hotel staff's word against hers, IMO I think the odds go in your favor.

Keep in mind though that many hotels do not want to see you brining in women who look like hookers. One of my seeking women came to the Marriott in super short shorts and the manager almost had a seizure. I paid a guest fee just to smooth things over and it calmed him down.

At the end of the day though, the police will do what the pols tell them to, and the pols usually do represent the will of the people. Point is if the people think it is okay to mug mongers, and I get the feeling many think it is okay, then this is going to continue.

At this point, the only way I would go to Medellin is if I screened the women extensively and stayed in a place with high security. Otherwise, I would just avoid it and head to places in Colombia where these poisonings are not an issue or at least much less of one. This is some pretty scary shit.[/QUOTE]Elvis, I am at a very safe 5* hotel. They love me there. Check ID's & not going to let the SW, Ho's & scanks in. I know the management. I wouldn't consider bringing some WG over there. (well unless she is extremely hot & conservatively dressed) I appreciate and respect the hotel managers. My own friends (in business etc) and girls I've met over time are waved in. When I accompany them.

I think yes it is an accepted behavior for guys and girls to run wild in Medellin. Getting into trouble at the cost of death to some, bragging rights about how many pops blah, blah. So my post was to see if the sensible guys could slow down and think about their actions before it's too late. And I have asked around to the people who run the tourism office and own hotels and new hotel developments. You are partially correct, Medellin has IMAGE problems. My friends who visited from Vegas watched 3 robberies within 1 block in one hour in Lleras. They say they will never come back.

We dealt with this in Vegas 30 years ago. Girls were grabbing guys dicks on the sidewalks. Now we have family's with strollers on the sidewalks. Busier than ever and the ho's are relegated to specific playgrounds. (LOL) Medellin (& Colombia) has far more tourists interested in Tours & Adventures and exploring the country than looking for hookers. It's probably #1 or 2 in the world for ecotourism, and adventure seekers. #2 for it's diversity of wildlife, tropical birds. There are more backpackers and digital nomads coming than the "mongers" Last time I counted there were 58 Hostels in Medellin. Really. And all had tour desks with things to do besides looking for pros.

I am not saying that Vegas doesn't still have plenty of naughtiness to go around. LOL. The top 9 of 10 nightclubs in the world are here. And yes armatures, pros, whatever you call them (college kids on Spring break) are using the thousands of hotel rooms every night to fuck. We are making gobs of money with very little gambling anymore. LOL So Maybe we are that horrible entity your GF is talking about. LOL but we do a better job with marketing the image!

Medellin needs to start rebranding so people can use the streets bringing kids with strollers for visits. It will happen. Maybe 30 years from now, maybe sooner.

If you think Medellin has an image problem now you should have seen it when I used to come here for business back the 90's. Armed guards were common. In fact as recently as 10 years ago the entrance to parking garages at the malls were manned by security guys with mirrors on extension poles they used to make sure cars waiting to get in were not rigged with bombs. Today, as far as tourism officials and the government in general is concerned punters don't exist. That's the real answer for guys who keep asking "why doesn't the government do something. " The government will step in if and when missionaries, NGO workers, or ecotourists (the real ones, not punters pretending to be for the benefit of their families back home) start turning up drugged / robbed / dead. We are a subculture and therefore not a priority for law enforcement or politicians. The mayor is under constant pressure from powerful conservative groups (uribistas). He was recalled and forced out of City Hall until Petro re-instated him. There is no way he or Petro are going to advocate on behalf of sex tourists because it would give his political opponents more ammunition. The "say no to the sex tourist" movement is alive and well. You can find signage in business once you get a few streets away from Parque Lleras. The USA State Department and European foreign ministries are also unlikely to prioritize the issue ahead of immigration, narcotraffic, and intelligence coordination vis-a-vis Venezuela and its relations with Russia and China. Real talk, in the bigger picture national leaders have to manage we are just not very important.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2764000]Elvis, I am at a very safe 5* hotel. They love me there. Check ID's & not going to let the SW, Ho's & scanks in. I know the management. I wouldn't consider bringing some WG over there. (well unless she is extremely hot & conservatively dressed) I appreciate and respect the hotel managers. My own friends (in business etc) and girls I've met over time are waved in. When I accompany them.

I think yes it is an accepted behavior for guys and girls to run wild in Medellin. Getting into trouble at the cost of death to some, bragging rights about how many pops blah, blah. So my post was to see if the sensible guys could slow down and think about their actions before it's too late. And I have asked around to the people who run the tourism office and own hotels and new hotel developments. You are partially correct, Medellin has IMAGE problems. My friends who visited from Vegas watched 3 robberies within 1 block in one hour in Lleras. They say they will never come back..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2764009]If you think Medellin has an image problem now ...............Today, as far as tourism officials and the government in general is concerned punters don't exist. That's the real answer for guys who keep asking "why doesn't the government do something. " The government will step in if and when missionaries, NGO workers, or ecotourists (the real ones, not punters pretending to be for the benefit of their families back home) start turning up drugged / robbed / dead. We are a subculture and therefore not a priority.[/QUOTE]I too have friends who have not forgotten those days during and after Escobar. Buildings blowing up. They seem to think I will disappear there. Casacol wants to see most of the "mongers" to stay home. Because those eco tourists and digital nomads bring in a lot more $. So I hope we can all get along. When I see them I will NOT mention our secrets.

$ exchange at airport per [URL]https://en.casacol.co/blogs/where-to-change-money-in-medellin/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763960]

Keep in mind though that many hotels do not want to see you brining in women who look like hookers. One of my seeking women came to the Marriott in super short shorts and the manager almost had a seizure. I paid a guest fee just to smooth things over and it calmed him down. [/QUOTE]Lmao he would of dropped dead if he saw the way girls in vegas dress now a days with those see thru dresses in the hotel lobby's haha.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2763971]All,

I will be in Medellin from January 16 to January 21 (5 Days). I reached out like this before and met some good ISG brothers and looking to do the same again. This announcement is to see if anyone is interested in either or both of these two things:

- Lunch.

** I've met other mongers in Medellin on previous trips and had lunch with them. I found the socializing to be good way to get into the groove of a far off city.

** Would aim to have a handshake, trade stories, and tips on locations of girls as we all have our habits that we prefer.

- Provenza.

** I've gone solo through Provenza and never stopped for a sit and a beer there. The place looks too damn nice, too social to keep passing up, but I do not want to do that solo. Provenza is not as easily allow for a solo gringo, so looking for a wingman to simply chill with.

** Looking for possible wingman for dance clubs. An ISG brother sparked my interest, so that is an itch I want to scratch.

That's it. If anyone is up for one or both, message me.

About me: I'm exceptionally normal. No anxiety issues, no prescriptions, no drugs. Just a beer and occasional cigarette from the street vendors.[/QUOTE]I will be arriving the 19th for a week solo, My first time there so it would be cool to shoot the shit with someone like you said for lunch or whatever. I plan to check out provenza as well. I have some chicks I'm talking to already that I might take on dates but I still plan on checking out gustos, la isla club and maybe the mansion.

As far as non mongering activities I'm thinking about doing airbnb tours to comuna 13, maybe gautupe and fuck it perhaps a pablo escobar tour if I get bored.

About me: I'm in my mid 30's,in shape, not bad looking, oh and hispanic and fluent in spanish too so there's that. If you can relate and as long as you don't have a huge gut haha or anyone else who see's this if you're going to be in town, hit me up, we could make a good team at the clubs / bars. Just beers for me too, not trying to get drunk or mess with drugs.

This is true. It's been happening for years. It's getting more media attention recently because it's good clickbait. It reminds me of a couple of years ago when there was a flurry of reporting that tourists were turning up dead in the Dominican Republic. As it turned out the overall incidence was in line with other tourism hubs and had not spiked as the reports suggested. The druggings in Colombia are a real thing and there are effective ways to prevent it. I have no objection to it getting hyped up in the press because it's likely to remind guys to be careful and it's likely to discourage guys who are prone to becoming victims from coming here.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2763878]I guess the moral of the story would be to always stay somewhere that has security 24/7 and ask the Portero to hold on to the Chicas cedula / passport until you physically escort her out of the building. Under these circumstance the worst that could happen is a Chica could get into your safety box / belongings and take things that would not be noticed upon her departure. Like only taking a small amount of money from a wallet, etc.

There's been multiple posts about this happening over the years here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2764009]Today, as far as tourism officials and the government in general is concerned punters don't exist. That's the real answer for guys who keep asking "why doesn't the government do something. " The government will step in if and when missionaries, NGO workers, or ecotourists (the real ones, not punters pretending to be for the benefit of their families back home) start turning up drugged / robbed / dead. We are a subculture and therefore not a priority for law enforcement or politicians. [/QUOTE]Exactly. Why do mongers keep thinking they are somebody? People in this hobby get really inflated egos. You are in a very small circle of people in the grand scheme of things and not propping economies up as many assume. They do not need your kind around there. You are not the first class golden goose that you think you are; you are simply being tolerated. Sure a few lazy hookers are depending on you, but the other 99.999999% of the population thinks of you as a gnat on a dog's dick and could give 2 fucks. Just another hard-up clueless foreign guy here for drugs and prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2763960]One of my seeking women came to the Marriott in super short shorts and the manager almost had a seizure. [/QUOTE]I thought seeking's finest were supposed to be the bees knees? Even centro chicks have sense enough to change out of their hooker gear before leaving the strip.

Reminds me of a chick that came to see me in Manila. I had previously met her in a hooker club but this time she was coming 2 hours from her house. She showed up in full hooker gear. I said why are you dressed like that? You do not have any normal clothes? She actually said that she changed into that after getting off the bus and before arriving at my hotel and left her normal clothes in her bag wherever the hell. Here I am thinking we are about to go out and do normal shit. But not with her dressed like that! Fucked her and paid her and sent her on her way. Most of these chicks are as dumb as rocks.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2763971] no drugs. Just ... an occasional cigarette from the street vendors.[/QUOTE]So, no drugs except for the absolute most dangerous one that has killed the most people. Got it.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2763991]I'll be in Medellin on December 9th and staying for a week. First time here, but I've been to Bogota twice earlier this year and hooked with 3 of the same girls on both trips.

Here's an odd question: are weekdays or weekends better for meeting up with the FB women in Medellin? I have a girl I met in Bogota that will visit for a couple days. I was wondering if I should have her over the weekend or come during the end of my trip on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]Its going to heavily depend on whether or not the FB girl has a day job or does some other type of work/school.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2763894]If you need to do that many things to not get drugged is it not better to not bring a girl over? Or go to a sex-motel with the exact amount of money for the prepago and for the room and the driver so if she is about to rob you she won't get nothing?[/QUOTE]I know drugging is more common in Medellin, but when I visited Bogota, I always had the women come to my apartment / hotel. The ones I met off Seeking, I would meet them at a restaurant within walking distance and never revealed where I was staying until we got there. If they were catfishing me, it would give me an opportunity to walk away.

The apartment or hotel had 24/7 security and required IDs are all visitors. I also never left my drinks unattended and ordered all transportation myself. I recommend Uber because if something goes wrong, at least they have the driver's personal info. A friend of a friend was robbed in Bogota once by getting into a taxi he hailed off the street and the driver took him somewhere where two other men got into the car.

I don't think what I did in Bogota was overly-cautious. It was the basic advice I got here and what I would repeat in any city I visit alone.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2763872]I am not judging. This is an honest observation. This post strikes me as more plausible as trolling victims than a serious product pitch.[/QUOTE]Not trolling anyone. I lived part-time and later full-time in Medellin for 9 years and hung out with dozens of locals. The expression, "There but for the grace of god, go I," fully applies. Everything in my product suggestion / collection of safety protocols is the result of thinking through now, in full view of the details of these appalling crimes, how one could conceivably defend against them. I am certainly not implying that I would have implemented these protocols during my time in Medellin, absent the knowledge only now coming to light of the modus operandi of these criminals.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2764182]I know drugging is more common in Medellin, but when I visited Bogota, I always had the women come to my apartment / hotel. The ones I met off Seeking, I would meet them at a restaurant within walking distance and never revealed where I was staying until we got there. If they were catfishing me, it would give me an opportunity to walk away.

The apartment or hotel had 24/7 security and required IDs are all visitors. I also never left my drinks unattended and ordered all transportation myself. I recommend Uber because if something goes wrong, at least they have the driver's personal info. A friend of a friend was robbed in Bogota once by getting into a taxi he hailed off the street and the driver took him somewhere where two other men got into the car.

I don't think what I did in Bogota was overly-cautious. It was the basic advice I got here and what I would repeat in any city I visit alone.[/QUOTE]All great guidelines that every hobbyists should emulate. While one can't 100% eliminate risk, you can make it pretty marginal w these common sense precautions.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2764130]This is true. It's been happening for years. It's getting more media attention recently because it's good clickbait. It reminds me of a couple of years ago when there was a flurry of reporting that tourists were turning up dead in the Dominican Republic. As it turned out the overall incidence was in line with other tourism hubs and had not spiked as the reports suggested. [/QUOTE]That was said to be US government propaganda put out to discourage tourism because the Dominican government had started working more with the Chinese government.

Too many strange things about some of those stories that led me to call BS. For instance one story said that a couple was killed when their car was run off the road and into the ocean on their drive from Punta Cana to Santo Domingo airport. Well for that drive one would have to be driving west. The seaside is on the part of the highway going east. Also you can not see ANY water on the westerly drive from Punta Cana to the Santo Domingo airport. You can only see the water on the easterly drive from Santo Domingo city to the airport. Seemed to be only Americans that were dying from those stories that were put out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764137]I thought seeking's finest were supposed to be the bees knees? Even centro chicks have sense enough to change out of their hooker gear before leaving the strip.[/QUOTE]Why would you expect a clueless daughter in a rich family to behave the same as a typical WG?

It is travel 101. Once we are liquored up it becomes an advanced course of study. With practice it becomes second nature.

[QUOTE=Combo;2764199]All great guidelines that every hobbyists should emulate. While one can't 100% eliminate risk, you can make it pretty marginal w these common sense precautions.[/QUOTE]

It will heavily depend on what the girl's boyfriend or husband allows.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2764144]Its going to heavily depend on whether or not the FB girl has a day job or does some other type of work/school.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2764182]I know drugging is more common in Medellin, but when I visited Bogota, I always had the women come to my apartment / hotel. The ones I met off Seeking, I would meet them at a restaurant within walking distance and never revealed where I was staying until we got there. If they were catfishing me, it would give me an opportunity to walk away.

The apartment or hotel had 24/7 security and required IDs are all visitors. I also never left my drinks unattended and ordered all transportation myself. I recommend Uber because if something goes wrong, at least they have the driver's personal info. A friend of a friend was robbed in Bogota once by getting into a taxi he hailed off the street and the driver took him somewhere where two other men got into the car.

I don't think what I did in Bogota was overly-cautious. It was the basic advice I got here and what I would repeat in any city I visit alone.[/QUOTE]All this is sound advice to stay safe. I have visited Medellin twice and I have followed these basic guidelines. I have not run into any problems but I am an experienced monger in other countries and have always been careful and aware of my surroundings. One thing that helps me is that I have always in big cities in America and in big cities like Baltimore, New York City, Chicago, and the like, you just are careful and not very trusting of people. Ha ha ha. I mention that because people in small towns and the smaller cities tend to be more trusting and nice and unfortunately, they are more likely to be taken advantage of in places like Medellin.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764134]Exactly. Why do mongers keep thinking they are somebody? People in this hobby get really inflated egos. You are in a very small circle of people in the grand scheme of things and not propping economies up as many assume. They do not need your kind around there. You are not the first class golden goose that you think you are; you are simply being tolerated. Sure a few lazy hookers are depending on you, but the other 99.999999% of the population thinks of you as a gnat on a dog's dick and could give 2 fucks. Just another hard-up clueless foreign guy here for drugs and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Best post I have read in a long time. More mongers need to read this and check their attitude.

I've been hearing these reports for 15 years. They spike up from time to time but it's been consistent. In an earlier post I described the security situation here back in the 90's. I don't doubt the drugging and robberies were happening then too. There were fewer foreigners then and with all the other horrific stuff happening I did not get the attention it does now. I wonder if I would be at more risk if I were less of a Centro rat.

[QUOTE=Dwc14;2764193]Not trolling anyone. I lived part-time and later full-time in Medellin for 9 years and hung out with dozens of locals. The expression, "There but for the grace of god, go I," fully applies. Everything in my product suggestion / collection of safety protocols is the result of thinking through now, in full view of the details of these appalling crimes, how one could conceivably defend against them. I am certainly not implying that I would have implemented these protocols during my time in Medellin, absent the knowledge only now coming to light of the modus operandi of these criminals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2764207]It will heavily depend on what the girl's boyfriend or husband allows.[/QUOTE]Lot's of girls here as you mention have boyfriends or husbands that know exactly what they are doing seeing clients and are partaking in the monies made.

I have two in my stable just like this, and the boyfriends / husbands know exactly what is going on, and they are "kinda okay " with it, not sure how to articulate it, but they just tolerate it, as it helps pay the bills.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2764210]All this is sound advice to stay safe. I have visited Medellin twice and I have followed these basic guidelines. I have not run into any problems but I am an experienced monger in other countries and have always been careful and aware of my surroundings. One thing that helps me is that I have always in big cities in America and in big cities like Baltimore, New York City, Chicago, and the like, you just are careful and not very trusting of people. Ha ha ha. I mention that because people in small towns and the smaller cities tend to be more trusting and nice and unfortunately, they are more likely to be taken advantage of in places like Medellin.[/QUOTE]I disagree with your final assumption. People in small towns are more trusting, of their neighbors. However, the big city is where all the bad stuff happens, so they tend to be distrustful of strangers.

Now, they might be easier to trick or scam, bit not many of them are going to show up in Medellin believing everyone is their friend.

Until I was 18 I was rarely more than a 10 minute walk away from fresh cowshit.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2764236]I've been hearing these reports for 15 years. They spike up from time to time but it's been consistent. In an earlier post I described the security situation here back in the 90's. I don't doubt the drugging and robberies were happening then too. There were fewer foreigners then and with all the other horrific stuff happening I did not get the attention it does now. I wonder if I would be at more risk if I were less of a Centro rat.[/QUOTE]Back in December 2017 3 foreigners were killed in Medellin in something like 48 hours. 1 American was allegedly drugged by a girl at his apartment near Parque Poblado. She opened the door for her boyfriend. The gringo was still alert enough to put up a fight, and was stabbed and killed. The killer was caught not long after. The girl was found cowering in the apartment.

The second, a Mexican national was found dead, stuffed in a large suitcase along Calle 10. Apparently he was from a Mexican cartel and whatever business he was engaged in went wrong.

The final one, 2 Cuban nationals working in Medellin were found drugged along Autopista Sur south of Medellin. One died from the drugs, the other was hospitalized and recovered.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764134]Sure a few lazy hookers are depending on you, but the other 99.999999% of the population thinks of you as a gnat on a dog's dick and could give 2 fucks. Just another hard-up clueless foreign guy here for drugs and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Hey! . Cry cry cry. And I thought we were friends. :(

Returning to Medellin next month, haven't been around for a while, is Parque Lleras still good for picking up hookers? Heard some people say the hookers no longer congregate there.

[QUOTE=FatmanSlayer;2764294]Returning to Medellin next month, haven't been around for a while, is Parque Lleras still good for picking up hookers? Heard some people say the hookers no longer congregate there.[/QUOTE]Did not see any attractive hookers last visit in March. Saw over weights, drug addicts, etc. Nothing worth a dime. Park was closed for renovation, not sure if it is open again.

Try the clubs mentioned, for take out, or on premises.

I'm arranging a date with a girl from FB who also works as Webcam model (I found this out later, we started chatting for a languagge exchange). I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money and she said why not) .

She is Venezuelan and she sent me a photo of her venezuelan cedula when we were joking about age, someone in this forum mention that some hotels don't allow Venezuelan with no colombian ID? Can someone please clarify this?

Also, when I asked her for passport photo (I knew already she didn't have one) she said that her dad is a Colombian nationality and she's will get a passport as soon she manage to save money as it's expensive to get one, is this how it works or shall raise a red flag? She moved to Colombia only 2 years ago, she's 24.

Another option, as I have her cedula already, would be to ask her if she's happy for me to register both of us for an airbnb I know close to a casa and where to go so I could do double duty when she decide to leave (Maximum price and minimum time are set).

No need to say cards and passport will stay in my real hotel and I will make her aware of this (in a nice way).

First timer in Colombia so trying figure out if I'm geting thinghs right.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FatmanSlayer;2764294]Returning to Medellin next month, haven't been around for a while, is Parque Lleras still good for picking up hookers? Heard some people say the hookers no longer congregate there.[/QUOTE]They are still there, just been pushed up one block to the Calle 10 intersection.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764134]Exactly. Why do mongers keep thinking they are somebody? ....[/QUOTE]I think they think just like normal people. Criminals don't make the distinction either.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2764201]Why would you expect a clueless daughter in a rich family to behave the same as a typical WG?[/QUOTE]& all the other nightclub party girls and all Pro Pussy girls.. with $$ for nothin wearin those "outfits" baring it all. "that's the way we do it".... just ignore me. . . I like Colombia and Mexico a whole lot more.

[QUOTE=FatmanSlayer;2764294]Returning to Medellin next month, haven't been around for a while, is Parque Lleras still good for picking up hookers? Heard some people say the hookers no longer congregate there.[/QUOTE]

I departed Medellin in September, but several recent posts suggest that the Parque Lleras streetwalker action has gravitated in large part from the street fronting the Park itself and Gustos, to Calle 10 and perhaps even into Provenza. My own experience over extended visits the past four years:
Though based in Laureles, I would get over to Poblado once or twice a week for Spanish/English intercambios or some other event, usually followed by a SW fishing expedition around the park. Perhaps in one out of four or five visits I would spot a highly doable chica, and in one in twenty or so trolling trips, score a real keeper. Two additions to my long-term stable (gals I've been seeing regularly for a couple of years now) were found at Parque Lleras --and are comparable in looks and GFE performance to the best of the ladies that I have pulled from Luna Lunera and Fase II. That said, it definitely takes patience if you're super choosy like me and content to go home alone and still horny 4 out of 5 visits. That's why I usually only bother to make the Parque Lleras rounds if I'm in Poblado on other business,

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764372] I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money) ... First timer in Colombia so trying figure out if I'm getting things right.[/QUOTE]You're not. You sent money to some ho you have not met. No.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764372]I'm arranging a date with a girl from FB who also works as Webcam model (I found this out later, we started chatting for a languagge exchange). I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money and she said why not) .

She is Venezuelan and she sent me a photo of her venezuelan cedula when we were joking about age, someone in this forum mention that some hotels don't allow Venezuelan with no colombian ID? Can someone please clarify this?

Also, when I asked her for passport photo (I knew already she didn't have one) she said that her dad is a Colombian nationality and she's will get a passport as soon she manage to save money as it's expensive to get one, is this how it works or shall raise a red flag? She moved to Colombia only 2 years ago, she's 24...[/QUOTE]I'm certain that three places I know well in Laureles would deny entry. San Peter Apartments, Hotel Dorado and Thematic Luxury. (Thematic is a short-term hotel but much nicer than the typical. But more costly too). I asked at Thematic and they wanted a passport or a document from Migracion Colombia.

Since she has a Colombian father she should be able to get a Colombian cedula. Why hasn't she done that if she has been living in Medellin for 2 years?? As to the passport? I'm curious how she is going to pull that stunt off. She would need a Colombian cedula in order to get a Colombian passport (BTW I was actually looking at this with a Colombiana last night, the cost is less than 200 mil, so not that expensive). Is she planning on returning to Venezuela to get a Venezuelan passport?

As to your plan to rent an Air-bnb. I imagine if you get one without a security desk to monitor entry you could make it work. But are you really eager to take on that risk?

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764372]I'm arranging a date with a girl from FB who also works as Webcam model (I found this out later, we started chatting for a languagge exchange). I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money and she said why not) .

She is Venezuelan and she sent me a photo of her venezuelan cedula when we were joking about age, someone in this forum mention that some hotels don't allow Venezuelan with no colombian ID? Can someone please clarify this?

Also, when I asked her for passport photo (I knew already she didn't have one) she said that her dad is a Colombian nationality and she's will get a passport as soon she manage to save money as it's expensive to get one, is this how it works or shall raise a red flag? She moved to Colombia only 2 years ago, she's 24.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, some hotels will not accept Ven cedulas. It's crazy. Col Immigration will accept it, but a hotel won't. WTF? They are easy to forge though, there is a shop behind hotel nutibara which makes them for 50 k.

Not sure why you need a passport photo. Girls usully look better in more relaxed photo sessions. Ven passports cost USD 300 - a crazy high prices for Venzlans. Thats why most don't have them.

P.S.: my webcam model is 40 k. Just saying.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764134]Exactly. Why do mongers keep thinking they are somebody? People in this hobby get really inflated egos. You are in a very small circle of people in the grand scheme of things and not propping economies up as many assume. They do not need your kind around there. You are not the first class golden goose that you think you are; you are simply being tolerated. Sure a few lazy hookers are depending on you, but the other 99.999999% of the population thinks of you as a gnat on a dog's dick and could give 2 fucks. Just another hard-up clueless foreign guy here for drugs and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Chill, that's the Sosua mongers.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2764437]Chill, that's the Sosua mongers.[/QUOTE]No. I've been reading this board for a long time and what he's saying has been said many times. Guys say that hotels should be thanking us, instead of charging extra for chicas aren't uncommon. Some have even said the Colombian government should recognize how important we are to the economy.

But most of us are just another guy getting off a plane. Nobody is having a parade to welcome the mongers. Most people assume we're just here as normal tourists. That's where everyone should strive to be. Keep a low profile.

Don't put a woman in lingerie on a leash and walk her around Provenza. Don't post on YouTube telling guys that all Colombian women will fuck if you insult and sexually assault them in public (it happened). Don't walk around shouting "donde estan las putas!" And don't walk around flashing your cash and jewelry.

Have fun, do your thing, but don't end up aa a front page news story.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2764437]Chill, that's the Sosua mongers.[/QUOTE]Do you mean the BroHams?

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764372]I'm arranging a date with a girl from FB who also works as Webcam model (I found this out later, we started chatting for a languagge exchange). I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money and she said why not) .

She is Venezuelan and she sent me a photo of her venezuelan cedula when we were joking about age, someone in this forum mention that some hotels don't allow Venezuelan with no colombian ID? Can someone please clarify this?

Also, when I asked her for passport photo (I knew already she didn't have one) she said that her dad is a Colombian nationality and she's will get a passport as soon she manage to save money as it's expensive to get one, is this how it works or shall raise a red flag? She moved to Colombia only 2 years ago, she's 24..[/QUOTE]You're not getting things right.

The money you sent wasn't payment for anything. If she told you she'll fuck for 200 k, and you already gave her 200 k, she's got no reason to fuck you, unless she expects at least 200 k more.

Any place with acceptable security probably won't let her in on just a Venezuelan cedula. Deliberately finding ways to avoid security, especially for a newbie is a bad idea. Then letting the girl know there's more money and plastic at another location? Probably will ruin your chances of winning Rookie Monger of the Year award.

Planning anything that involves "when she decides to leave" is a huge mistake. You bring 1 over, fuck her, pay her and send her away. Then you repeat with another girl. And another. Then, if you want to see the first 1 again, bring her back for another session. Don't put her name on the Airbnb and don't let her decide when to leave.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy having a girl hang out for 2-4 hours, but that's it unless I've got enough time with her to trust her.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2764437]Chill, that's the Sosua mongers.[/QUOTE]Nah, Mr. E is totally right. Your typical monger is delusional about his status. The ex-Colombian president came out and said we want the sex tourist gone. It reminded me of the time when all these states in the USA started going after mongers. They said guys seeing prostitutes were supporting trafficking. When guys heard about that, they all were like "I am not for trafficking. " instead of the government is coming for your ass.

Fast forward a few years, and Robert Kraft, the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots, gets busted. The police faked a bomb scare to put a camera in an oriental massage parlor. The woman who got Kraft off with a HJ was Chinese American and some douche bag prosecutor was like, "Kraft is supporting trafficking. " It is at that point I think guys got it. If the cops are going to be faking bomb scares and going after Kraft, what chance do I have? I am not playing in the USA anymore. The woman who serviced Kraft refused to testify against him and the court threw the video of Kraft's HJ out and Kraft walked, but thousands of other men got caught in these stings.

If I asked the average guy paying for women in the USA, do you pay women for sex? And follow that up with: are you a law abiding citizen? I bet you 99% of guys would answer both questions yes without even seeing the hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2764375]They are still there, just been pushed up one block to the Calle 10 intersection.[/QUOTE]Ah ok, do you know if there is still a police presence in the area for tourist safety in the calle 10 intersection?

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764372]I'm arranging a date with a girl from FB who also works as Webcam model (I found this out later, we started chatting for a languagge exchange). I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money and she said why not) .

She is Venezuelan and she sent me a photo of her venezuelan cedula when we were joking about age, someone in this forum mention that some hotels don't allow Venezuelan with no colombian ID? Can someone please clarify this?

Also, when I asked her for passport photo (I knew already she didn't have one) she said that her dad is a Colombian nationality and she's will get a passport as soon she manage to save money as it's expensive to get one, is this how it works or shall raise a red flag? She moved to Colombia only 2 years ago, she's 24.

Another option, as I have her cedula already, would be to ask her if she's happy for me to register both of us for an airbnb I know close to a casa and where to go so I could do double duty when she decide to leave (Maximum price and minimum time are set).

No need to say cards and passport will stay in my real hotel and I will make her aware of this (in a nice way).

First timer in Colombia so trying figure out if I'm geting thinghs right.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Personally, I didn't ask any of the women in Bogota for their IDs. I left it up to the front desk to do that and just followed the precautions I mentioned in my previous post. Now, when I returned to Bogota, I did book a hotel for a couple days with one and needed a copy of her ID to book, but I already hooked up with her 3 different days on my first trip and felt comfortable enough to have her stay overnight. I wouldn't recommend having someone you met for the first time stay overnight at your hotel. Have fun and tell her to go home.

Also, I never recommend giving a woman money that you never met, even if you're "buying" videos or photos from her. She can easily be telling other dudes the same shit and then ghosting them. Besides, you can get free videos and photos online. Women think somehow their ass and tits are worth more because you're talking to them. We're not here to collect photos, we're here to collect experiences.

If anyone wants to chill grab a drink and swap stories and perhaps go hunting during the holidays when shit is closed. Inbox me. In early 40's native Spanish speaker.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2763570]There's another tool there's a website that's free it's called chicacheck. Co. The guy uploaded 10,000 Colombian Facebook profiles of girls you can run your girl through the search and get her Facebook profile or you can add a review on some of the girls or even upload photos it's a brand new site so they don't have a lot of the details filled in yet but it's a great place to start they're going to post a section called bad girls of Medellin and it's going to have pictures of all the girls that were accused of robberies and druggies and you could just swipe through them to see if your date is one of those photos check it out it's free Chicacheck. Co it's up to us to give the reviews and fill in the blanks.[/QUOTE]I registered. I think it's a good venture. I submitted some reviews and comments to chickas I have met. If more do it will be a goldmine. Thank for the tip QueRico!

Has anyone seen this YouTube video about a guy who was drugged in Cartagena and tracked down the girl in Medellin? There's also a part 2.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFm9JhOkXMQ[/URL]

Long story short: he lives in Cartagena, invited a woman on Tinder, she doesn't want any payment, just wants to party and drink with her friend. They come over, the guy's friend was supposed to be there but he opted out, then he tells her to pour him a drink (yeah, I know) and he's out shortly after.

He paid some cops in Medellin to confront the girl, she admitted to robbing him, and they found a chemical in their bag. We will have to wait for a part 3 to know the conclusion.

What can we learn from this? First, he immediately invites the girl over the same day. Not unusual, but risky because she's not asking for any payment. She just wants to drink and bring a friend along.

I had the pros come over the same day, but the women from Seeking I talked to for a week before I got there. A scammer probably isn't going to spend time texting and getting to know you. You might never even go to Colombia then all that time would be for nothing.

I guess the moral of the story is that the Medellin cops will help if you pay them and do all the work yourself to identify the woman. That why it's always worth it to stay somewhere that IDs are mandatory to enter. Can she use a fake ID? Sure, but I wouldn't be able to spot one. I have more faith in the security guy at the front desk though.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2764261]Lot's of girls here as you mention have boyfriends or husbands that know exactly what they are doing seeing clients and are partaking in the monies made.

I have two in my stable just like this, and the boyfriends / husbands know exactly what is going on, and they are "kinda okay " with it, not sure how to articulate it, but they just tolerate it, as it helps pay the bills.[/QUOTE]That is because many people or cultures think more of sex than it really is. Those that are able to "tolerate" it, as you put it, have reached a higher level of understanding. Those that can not tolerate it are just selfish as fuck. Not saying that being selfish is a bad thing, but a lot of people look at it as being a bad thing unless it involves their partner not sharing their body with anyone else. Then all of a sudden selfishness is supposedly a good thing.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764372]I have already sent 50 mil for contenito via western union (and price for rato 200 mill when we meet. I'm the one who offered money and she said why not).[/QUOTE]Yeah because who is going to say no to free money. Nothing to figure out. You threw away the money. Not saying anything is wrong with that, but I would not rest my hope of getting laid on some stranger claiming their father is of a certain nationality and the proper documentation will be in hand soon. It is hard enough to get chicks that already have their documents in hand to show up.

There is a saying about the best laid plans. In my experience things work best when a guy is on deck with money to give and a chick is on the same deck with pussy to be exchanged for it. Not well I have money and will be happy to part with it today in hopes of getting some pussy 18 weeks from now. Just kiss the money goodbye and next time don't spend it until the pussy is in front of your face ready to be fucked.

Yo Bro. Were you referring to me below!! Hehehe.

It was nice knowing you too. I am planning to be on ground 3rd week of Jan. Do not have dates yet.

Will let you know.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2763971]

All,

I will be in Medellin from January 16 to January 21 (5 Days). I reached out like this before and met some good ISG brothers and looking to do the same again. This announcement is to see if anyone is interested in either or both of these two things:
.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2764464] You bring 1 over, fuck her, pay her and send her away. Then you repeat with another girl. And another. Then, if you want to see the first 1 again, bring her back for another session. Don't put her name on the Airbnb [/QUOTE]Does security care if it's a different girl every night? Or do they assume when you add a guest to your reservation it's suppose to be the same chick every day?

It's quite a bit more widespread than that.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2764437]Chill, that's the Sosua mongers.[/QUOTE]

The 50 mill cop I have sent were for videos only and for me a way to check if she had update photos. When we meet she will take the 200 agreeded for the rato. She 's more like she would like to fuck, stay around a bit doing other staff, propina for extra this and that and home, I don't let them sleep over. And the maximum time would be around 3 hrs for the first time.

Agree for the rest and I will take the advice not to co booking with me.

I will probably go for a love motel with her, it's seems the easier option.

I can still pay en extra hour to the love motel if needed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2764464]You're not getting things right.

The money you sent wasn't payment for anything. If she told you she'll fuck for 200 k, and you already gave her 200 k, she's got no reason to fuck you, unless she expects at least 200 k more.

Any place with acceptable security probably won't let her in on just a Venezuelan cedula. Deliberately finding ways to avoid security, especially for a newbie is a bad idea. Then letting the girl know there's more money and plastic at another location? Probably will ruin your chances of winning Rookie Monger of the Year award.

Planning anything that involves "when she decides to leave" is a huge mistake. You bring 1 over, fuck her, pay her and send her away. Then you repeat with another girl. And another. Then, if you want to see the first 1 again, bring her back for another session. Don't put her name on the Airbnb and don't let her decide when to leave.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy having a girl hang out for 2-4 hours, but that's it unless I've got enough time with her to trust her.[/QUOTE]

Are there are any love motels in el poblado besides las cabanas? I tried out Las cabanas love motel down the hill from parque lleras and found it underwhelming and slightly overpriced. Are there any other love motels nearby? Love motels seem to be prevalent throughout the city but I haven't noticed any in el poblado for some reason. A friend who lives on 70 raves about the new Ibiza lounge that opened this past year. The jacuzzi suite runs 80 k for 6 hours.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2764412]You're not. You sent money to some ho you have not met. No.[/QUOTE]The money probably ended up in the hands of a Venezuelan dude. The stupidity with this guy is astonishing. Never send money period. This is even worse than the 2 k tips at the strip clubs.

OK carry on.

I'm not trying to " Deliberately avoiding security " when I have actually suggested to register her ID for the booking with airbnb a few lines later.

Ok I understand she is an immigrant from Venezuela but I don't understand why she shouldn't be allowed to check in because of her immigrant status.

They are not all criminals unless I'm missing something.

Anyway, I'm a bit after this lady as she seems to tick some boxes:

As I mentioned we started chatting for a language exchange, we like the same music, she's bisexuale and happy to bring a friend.

Ideally I'm looking for one lady to see more regularly and than top up with casas and street hunting, one to have a bit of GFE if it makes sense + she likes fiesta and all the jazz.

I'm aware this does require a lot of trust. I like the barrio lady. If she doesn't fuck thinghs up it can be a deal for both.

I have a membership so I can receive private messages as well.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2764464]You're not getting things right.

The money you sent wasn't payment for anything. If she told you she'll fuck for 200 k, and you already gave her 200 k, she's got no reason to fuck you, unless she expects at least 200 k more.

Any place with acceptable security probably won't let her in on just a Venezuelan cedula. Deliberately finding ways to avoid security, especially for a newbie is a bad idea. Then letting the girl know there's more money and plastic at another location? Probably will ruin your chances of winning Rookie Monger of the Year award.

Planning anything that involves "when she decides to leave" is a huge mistake. You bring 1 over, fuck her, pay her and send her away. Then you repeat with another girl. And another. Then, if you want to see the first 1 again, bring her back for another session. Don't put her name on the Airbnb and don't let her decide when to leave.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy having a girl hang out for 2-4 hours, but that's it unless I've got enough time with her to trust her.[/QUOTE]

A lot of guys are putting their faith in hotel security but there are potential flaws. Many of these girls are recruited by criminal gangs and are not working solo. How easy would it be for criminal gangs to create or obtain fake IDs for these girls? I don't think it would be very difficult. Keep in mind that these IDs are looked at by reception staff who are not experts in analyzing IDs and probably look at the ID for a few seconds. So it may be the case that the hotel has a copy of a fake ID.

Now perhaps they call you when the girl walks out alone. But sometimes the hotel lobby is large and it can be easy to evade hotel staff to leave the hotel. Also sometimes reception is busy helping others. And if the girl is experienced, she probably has done it already.

Now, lets say, you call the police and you have a picture or name of the girl and you are a tourist who is there for one week. They are probably not going to catch her while you are there, if they bother to put in the effort. How much do you trust the Colombian police to do their job on behalf of a gringo who is leaving soon? When they do catch her and there is a preliminary hearing, are you going to fly back and testify against her? I didn't think so. I wouldn't if it didn't fit my vacation schedule. I think the police and criminals know this too. So they probably let her go because there are no witnesses to testify against her. This is assuming that they could actually find her even if they know her name. I don't know how easy it would be find someone in Medellin but given the less organized nature of Colombia, I think it would be difficult unless you have the money to paid someone to track her down.

None of this is meant to scare you from coming to Colombia. It just means that you have be careful in Colombia because it is a more dangerous country than other mongering countries such as Thailand or Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2764554]It's quite a bit more widespread than that.[/QUOTE]I hear the wife beaters and the nike slides are invading Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2764550]Does security care if it's a different girl every night? Or do they assume when you add a guest to your reservation it's suppose to be the same chick every day?[/QUOTE]Each place has its own rules. But my experience is that it is only the one chica that you have registered with you that would be allowed.

The only way you will know is to check beforehand with your host (if you are going to an Airbnb) or with hotel.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2764685]A lot of guys are putting their faith in hotel security but there are potential flaws. Many of these girls are recruited by criminal gangs and are not working solo. How easy would it be for criminal gangs to create or obtain fake IDs for these girls? I don't think it would be very difficult. Keep in mind that these IDs are looked at by reception staff who are not experts in analyzing IDs and probably look at the ID for a few seconds. So it may be the case that the hotel has a copy of a fake ID.

Now perhaps they call you when the girl walks out alone. But sometimes the hotel lobby is large and it can be easy to evade hotel staff to leave the hotel. Also sometimes reception is busy helping others. And if the girl is experienced, she probably has done it already.

Now, lets say, you call the police and you have a picture or name of the girl and you are a tourist who is there for one week. They are probably not going to catch her while you are there, if they bother to put in the effort. How much do you trust the Colombian police to do their job on behalf of a gringo who is leaving soon? When they do catch her and there is a preliminary hearing, are you going to fly back and testify against her? I didn't think so. I wouldn't if it didn't fit my vacation schedule. I think the police and criminals know this too. So they probably let her go because there are no witnesses to testify against her. This is assuming that they could actually find her even if they know her name. I don't know how easy it would be find someone in Medellin but given the less organized nature of Colombia, I think it would be difficult unless you have the money to paid someone to track her down.

None of this is meant to scare you from coming to Colombia. It just means that you have be careful in Colombia because it is a more dangerous country than other mongering countries such as Thailand or Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]Some places scan IDs (barcodes) rather than make copies. Fake ID would probably won't pop up in the system once scanned. Also, some places lock the doors after 8 or 9 pm, so you can't just sneak in or out without being unnoticed, a security guy has to open the door for you or your guest.

[QUOTE=OJeito;2764558]Are there are any love motels in el poblado besides las cabanas? I tried out Las cabanas love motel down the hill from parque lleras and found it underwhelming and slightly overpriced. Are there any other love motels nearby? Love motels seem to be prevalent throughout the city but I haven't noticed any in el poblado for some reason. A friend who lives on 70 raves about the new Ibiza lounge that opened this past year. The jacuzzi suite runs 80 k for 6 hours.[/QUOTE]This is a very good question. Love hotels in Poblado could be cheaper than taking a chick home with joiner fees and safer as maybe they can't steal your shit as bad.

I have a feeling walking down Calle 10 in the evening, there might be a few people that would know that answer. They might be dressed in very short skirts and always make eye contact with you.

Perhaps someone can ask them and report back.

100 % agree, the lady who recently killed that guy days before dated someone else and she accessed dude building with an ID. Than she pushed him to drink and all the story is on Reddit.

But yes I wouldn't rely on a that, it's just a piece of plastic with a picture anyone can make better than real ones.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2764685]A lot of guys are putting their faith in hotel security but there are potential flaws. Many of these girls are recruited by criminal gangs and are not working solo. How easy would it be for criminal gangs to create or obtain fake IDs for these girls? I don't think it would be very difficult. Keep in mind that these IDs are looked at by reception staff who are not experts in analyzing IDs and probably look at the ID for a few seconds. So it may be the case that the hotel has a copy of a fake ID.

Now perhaps they call you when the girl walks out alone. But sometimes the hotel lobby is large and it can be easy to evade hotel staff to leave the hotel. Also sometimes reception is busy helping others. And if the girl is experienced, she probably has done it already.

Now, lets say, you call the police and you have a picture or name of the girl and you are a tourist who is there for one week. They are probably not going to catch her while you are there, if they bother to put in the effort. How much do you trust the Colombian police to do their job on behalf of a gringo who is leaving soon? When they do catch her and there is a preliminary hearing, are you going to fly back and testify against her? I didn't think so. I wouldn't if it didn't fit my vacation schedule. I think the police and criminals know this too. So they probably let her go because there are no witnesses to testify against her. This is assuming that they could actually find her even if they know her name. I don't know how easy it would be find someone in Medellin but given the less organized nature of Colombia, I think it would be difficult unless you have the money to paid someone to track her down.

None of this is meant to scare you from coming to Colombia. It just means that you have be careful in Colombia because it is a more dangerous country than other mongering countries such as Thailand or Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]

Folks,

Boots on ground. I used to get a good massage with awesome service in Aisha Spa.

Looks like it has closed. Any alternative nearby in Laureles now.

Hi Elvis,

I don't think you will find many members here who would advocate going on paid dates in the US where it could leave you with a criminal record or a place on the sex offender list. There are numerous guys who suffered that fate who now wish they had paid the cost of airfare to avoid it. Robert Kraft's very high net worth and very advanced age sets him way apart from most of us I reckon. I always advise keeping as low a profile as practical to avoid problems.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2764484]Nah, Mr. E is totally right. Your typical monger is delusional about his status. The ex-Colombian president came out and said we want the sex tourist gone. It reminded me of the time when all these states in the USA started going after mongers. They said guys seeing prostitutes were supporting trafficking. When guys heard about that, they all were like "I am not for trafficking. " instead of the government is coming for your ass.

Fast forward a few years, and Robert Kraft, the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots, gets busted. The police faked a bomb scare to put a camera in an oriental massage parlor. The woman who got Kraft off with a HJ was Chinese American and some douche bag prosecutor was like, "Kraft is supporting trafficking. " It is at that point I think guys got it. If the cops are going to be faking bomb scares and going after Kraft, what chance do I have? I am not playing in the USA anymore. The woman who serviced Kraft refused to testify against him and the court threw the video of Kraft's HJ out and Kraft walked, but thousands of other men got caught in these stings.

If I asked the average guy paying for women in the USA, do you pay women for sex? And follow that up with: are you a law abiding citizen? I bet you 99% of guys would answer both questions yes without even seeing the hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2764685]A lot of guys are putting their faith in hotel security but there are potential flaws. Many of these girls are recruited by criminal gangs and are not working solo. How easy would it be for criminal gangs to create or obtain fake IDs for these girls? I don't think it would be very difficult. Keep in mind that these IDs are looked at by reception staff who are not experts in analyzing IDs and probably look at the ID for a few seconds. So it may be the case that the hotel has a copy of a fake ID.[/QUOTE]To play devil's advocate: if a Colombian can't spot a fake ID, then what chance does a foreigner have? It shouldn't be your only safeguard though.

A recurring theme we see in these druggings is that the men were drinking with the women. Most either had the woman serve them a drink or left their drinks unattended. I think this is the #1 rule we all should follow. If you need to take a piss, finish your drink and order / get one when you get back. If she got one for you when you were gone, say you've had enough and let her drink it.

And it should go without saying: don't get drunk guys. Keep your wits about you at all times.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2764550]Does security care if it's a different girl every night? Or do they assume when you add a guest to your reservation it's suppose to be the same chick every day?[/QUOTE]Usually, no. They don't care. However, it depends on the hotel.

[QUOTE=OJeito;2764558]Are there are any love motels in el poblado besides las cabanas? I tried out Las cabanas love motel down the hill from parque lleras and found it underwhelming and slightly overpriced. Are there any other love motels nearby? Love motels seem to be prevalent throughout the city but I haven't noticed any in el poblado for some reason. A friend who lives on 70 raves about the new Ibiza lounge that opened this past year. The jacuzzi suite runs 80 k for 6 hours.[/QUOTE]Motel Ibiza, just south of Mayorista on Autopista Sur is a quick taxi ride away from Parque Lleras. Looks like they've raised prices. 108 k for 6 hours for the basic jacuzzi suite (jacuzzi, stripper pole, couch, sound system, TV, queen bed, sex chair, fully equipped mini bar, plus room service for food, drinks and sex toys). Very secure. Also the rooms have some of the best showers in Medellin.

Looks like they now have a second location on Carrera 80 in Laureles.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2764484]Nah, Mr. E is totally right. Your typical monger is delusional about his status. The ex-Colombian president came out and said we want the sex tourist gone. It reminded me of the time when all these states in the USA started going after mongers. They said guys seeing prostitutes were supporting trafficking. When guys heard about that, they all were like "I am not for trafficking. " instead of the government is coming for your ass.

Fast forward a few years, and Robert Kraft, the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots, gets busted. The police faked a bomb scare to put a camera in an oriental massage parlor. The woman who got Kraft off with a HJ was Chinese American and some douche bag prosecutor was like, "Kraft is supporting trafficking. " It is at that point I think guys got it. If the cops are going to be faking bomb scares and going after Kraft, what chance do I have? I am not playing in the USA anymore. The woman who serviced Kraft refused to testify against him and the court threw the video of Kraft's HJ out and Kraft walked, but thousands of other men got caught in these stings.

If I asked the average guy paying for women in the USA, do you pay women for sex? And follow that up with: are you a law abiding citizen? I bet you 99% of guys would answer both questions yes without even seeing the hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]Exactly. If everyone flies down there and acts like a wreckless asshole, authorities and the public will be more inclined to crack down on the sex trade. Like that guy Osteo who would constantly post about his whoring and drug use all over the forum, then guys read that and go down there and act a fool. Speaking of Oseo, what happened to that guy? I haven't seen his posts lately, did he finally overdose or get locked up? LOL I miss his posts, they were funny.

But in all seriousness, dudes should monger with class, tip appropriately, contribute to the local economy, keep your head down, and hope the game isn't ruined by the authorities in the near future.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764664]I'm not trying to " Deliberately avoiding security " when I have actually suggested to register her ID for the booking with airbnb a few lines later.

Ok I understand she is an immigrant from Venezuela but I don't understand why she shouldn't be allowed to check in because of her immigrant status.

They are not all criminals unless I'm missing something.

Anyway, I'm a bit after this lady as she seems to tick some boxes:

As I mentioned we started chatting for a language exchange, we like the same music, she's bisexuale and happy to bring a friend.

Ideally I'm looking for one lady to see more regularly and than top up with casas and street hunting, one to have a bit of GFE if it makes sense + she likes fiesta and all the jazz.

I'm aware this does require a lot of trust. I like the barrio lady. If she doesn't fuck thinghs up it can be a deal for both.

I have a membership so I can receive private messages as well.[/QUOTE]Let's start with "her immigrant status. " The law in Colombia requires hotel guests to pay a 19% tax on their hotel stay. Foreigners who have been in the country less than 90 days are exempt from the tax. Residents are not exempt. That's reason 1. Reason 2, Colombia no longer recognizes Venezuelan cedulas as acceptable identification. Try registering at a Medellin hotel with just your driver's license.

Registering someone else in your Airbnb is fine, if you know and trust them. Chatting with someone and buying videos doesn't equal knowing them.

Of course she clicks all the boxes. Doesn't that seem strange to you? It's unthinkable that her life path has paralleled your own close enough so she's an ideal match. Over my life I've went on dates with several women who agreed that sushi was the greatest and then backed down when it came time to eat.

Of course she's bisexual and will bring a friend. Haven't you been reading the forum? Having a friend makes it incredibly easy to drug and rob someone. And if you find an Airbnb where you don't have to worry about security, you might wake up to find you're also liable for the stuff stolen from the apartment.

I'm not telling the story again, but I've been exactly where you are. I wanted 1 girl to do the whole GFE thing with. Fortunately, all the ISG guys telling me I was making a mistake finally got through to me and I took the advice I'd been arguing against.

In my situation I was much better off than you. I didn't have to worry about being drugged and robbed. Just had to worry about wasting my vacation and throwing away a lot of money. I could have ended up depressed and broke. You could end up broke and dead.

If it was me, with the extra information you added about the girl, I'd only see her if I wanted the adrenaline rush of thwarting someone intent on robbing me. I say that because she's checked the boxes on my danger zone form. I could be wrong, but in a land full of fine, fuckable and affordable pussy, there are too many options to close every other door before your feet are touching Colombian soil.

The way to find 1 girl to spend most of your time with isn't to fall for someone online. You use the Cinderella method. Substitute your dick for the glass slipper. Substitute pussy for feet (unless you have a foot fetish). Test the pussies with your dick until you find your princess.

Or, at least do us the favor of reporting on the robbery.

Went by the place this afternoon. Was plenty busy but saw middling talent with about half a dozen girls available. Prices were 160000 COP ( 35 USD) for an hour of massage and full sex with only one orgasm allowed. Quickly excused myself.

Place is the opposite of the in-your-face Thailand sex style. Hoping the trip gets better as time goes on as initial impressions are lacking in the girls department. Did not see anything noteworthy walking around the parque in the same time period.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2764753]Let's start with "her immigrant status. " The law in Colombia requires hotel guests to pay a 19% tax on their hotel stay. Foreigners who have been in the country less than 90 days are exempt from the tax. Residents are not exempt. That's reason 1. Reason 2, Colombia no longer recognizes Venezuelan cedulas as acceptable identification. Try registering at a Medellin hotel with just your driver's license.

Registering someone else in your Airbnb is fine, if you know and trust them. Chatting with someone and buying videos doesn't equal knowing them.

Of course she clicks all the boxes. Doesn't that seem strange to you? It's unthinkable that her life path has paralleled your own close enough so she's an ideal match. Over my life I've went on dates with several women who agreed that sushi was the greatest and then backed down when it came time to eat.

Of course she's bisexual and will bring a friend. Haven't you been reading the forum? Having a friend makes it incredibly easy to drug and rob someone. And if you find an Airbnb where you don't have to worry about security, you might wake up to find you're also liable for the stuff stolen from the apartment.

I'm not telling the story again, but I've been exactly where you are. I wanted 1 girl to do the whole GFE thing with. Fortunately, all the ISG guys telling me I was making a mistake finally got through to me and I took the advice I'd been arguing against.

In my situation I was much better off than you. I didn't have to worry about being drugged and robbed. Just had to worry about wasting my vacation and throwing away a lot of money. I could have ended up depressed and broke. You could end up broke and dead.

If it was me, with the extra information you added about the girl, I'd only see her if I wanted the adrenaline rush of thwarting someone intent on robbing me. I say that because she's checked the boxes on my danger zone form. I could be wrong, but in a land full of fine, fuckable and affordable pussy, there are too many options to close every other door before your feet are touching Colombian soil.

The way to find 1 girl to spend most of your time with isn't to fall for someone online. You use the Cinderella method. Substitute your dick for the glass slipper. Substitute pussy for feet (unless you have a foot fetish). Test the pussies with your dick until you find your princess.

Or, at least do us the favor of reporting on the robbery.[/QUOTE]Well said! Hopefully adding to this message will save a newbies life. Stateside, girls will not offer to bring a friend on your date. It just doesn't happen. Don't these cats find it odd that this shit happens in Colombia? They think they are hot shit but there are high status men in that country too who have their pick of the litter. The excuse, ohhh I am scared. Can I bring a friend? Please!! Do not be so naive. If she wants to bring a friend make sure it is for drinks at a bar with you and a few buddies. Then isolate your date while your buddy isolates her friend and separate and conquistarla! In other words win her over. There are exceptions definitely, however this fantasy of a threesome etc is a foolish one especially with all of the scopalamine robberies. I just know that 27 foreigners were killed in medellin or Colombia this year. Many were drugged on top of that. Nevermind the locals who were killed or drugged.

Even veterans drop the ball and let their guards down when dealing with girls from the internet or in lleras for example. I would start reading the last 10 pages of this forum!

JJBEE if I ever meet you I guess by destiny, drinks on me! I would love to pick your brain on the webcam industry too.

Why don't you try Fase II or La Isla and go from there.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2764812]Went by the place this afternoon. Was plenty busy but saw middling talent with about half a dozen girls available. Prices were 160000 COP ( 35 USD) for an hour of massage and full sex with only one orgasm allowed. Quickly excused myself.

Place is the opposite of the in-your-face Thailand sex style. Hoping the trip gets better as time goes on as initial impressions are lacking in the girls department. Did not see anything noteworthy walking around the parque in the same time period.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2764753]Let's start with "her immigrant status. " The law in Colombia requires hotel guests to pay a 19% tax on their hotel stay. Foreigners who have been in the country less than 90 days are exempt from the tax. Residents are not exempt. That's reason 1. Reason 2, Colombia no longer recognizes Venezuelan cedulas as acceptable identification. Try registering at a Medellin hotel with just your driver's license.

Registering someone else in your Airbnb is fine, if you know and trust them. Chatting with someone and buying videos doesn't equal knowing them.

Of course she clicks all the boxes. Doesn't that seem strange to you? It's unthinkable that her life path has paralleled your own close enough so she's an ideal match. Over my life I've went on dates with several women who agreed that sushi was the greatest and then backed down when it came time to eat.

Of course she's bisexual and will bring a friend. Haven't you been reading the forum? Having a friend makes it incredibly easy to drug and rob someone. And if you find an Airbnb where you don't have to worry about security, you might wake up to find you're also liable for the stuff stolen from the apartment.

I'm not telling the story again, but I've been exactly where you are. I wanted 1 girl to do the whole GFE thing with. Fortunately, all the ISG guys telling me I was making a mistake finally got through to me and I took the advice I'd been arguing against.

In my situation I was much better off than you. I didn't have to worry about being drugged and robbed. Just had to worry about wasting my vacation and throwing away a lot of money. I could have ended up depressed and broke. You could end up broke and dead.

If it was me, with the extra information you added about the girl, I'd only see her if I wanted the adrenaline rush of thwarting someone intent on robbing me. I say that because she's checked the boxes on my danger zone form. I could be wrong, but in a land full of fine, fuckable and affordable pussy, there are too many options to close every other door before your feet are touching Colombian soil.

The way to find 1 girl to spend most of your time with isn't to fall for someone online. You use the Cinderella method. Substitute your dick for the glass slipper. Substitute pussy for feet (unless you have a foot fetish). Test the pussies with your dick until you find your princess.

Or, at least do us the favor of reporting on the robbery.[/QUOTE]This post should be required reading before joining this hobby.

I've been watching discussion I'the like to add my input I've been coming here for 12 years I've never seen the Drugging so active now it is because they know they won't get caught most foreigners don't go to the police and if they do they have to provide the video tapes photographs things like that if you think taking her ID and registering it with the front desk is going to help you were dead wrong since when did you ever see them take her ID and actually go find a girl that drugged you I don't think it's ever happened there's a few people who pursued justice on their own and pushed and pushed and I think one girl got arrested and is going to be sentenced soon.

The best way to stop them is prevention stay off the dating sites if you meet girls make sure they're referred by friends it doesn't matter if you have the license plate of the car they photographs and video evidence in identification the police are not going to do anything for a robbery maybe a murder but look at what's going on right now I could've caught that girl that drugged the Asian man I would just set her up through her WhatsApp it's that simple they have her number. If you get a copy of her ID have her send it to you front and back have it on your phone and send it to a friend that might deter her a little if she's dumb enough to think the police will actually do something. No the thing you can do if you can tell her a little story and shower photographs in those Facebook groups of the girls that have been exposed and Caught put a scaring her a little bit. It's open season on foreigners everyone's doing it I've had girls ask me do I know where they can get the drugs they said I don't want to do it I'm just curious where did the girls get it sounds kind of strange doesn't it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2764745]Motel Ibiza, just south of Mayorista on Autopista Sur is a quick taxi ride away from Parque Lleras. Looks like they've raised prices. 108 k for 6 hours for the basic jacuzzi suite (jacuzzi, stripper pole, couch, sound system, TV, queen bed, sex chair, fully equipped mini bar, plus room service for food, drinks and sex toys). Very secure. Also the rooms have some of the best showers in Medellin.

Looks like they now have a second location on Carrera 80 in Laureles.[/QUOTE]Love Motel app [URL]https://motelnowapp.com/[/URL] BTW JlBee62 you have amazing info. I want to check out Ibiza next week.

[URL]https://www.globocambio.co/es/medellin[/URL]

They recently opened in Medellin Airport. Claim to give BETTER than published rates and if you order by phone or online prior to arrival. No lines! (supposedly) I will try to reach them tomorrow. Anyone know how how long the lines are currently at the MED airport?

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764664]Anyway, I'm a bit after this lady as she seems to tick some boxes:

As I mentioned we started chatting for a language exchange, we like the same music, she's bisexuale and happy to bring a friend.
[/QUOTE]And you are ticking all the boxes of someone that is about to be taken advantage of and that things are not going to end well for. I have been meeting chicks online since there was an online to be on. No matter how bisexual one has been, she is not going to just volunteer to bring a friend without meeting a guy unless something is not on the up and up. You have just squared your chances of being fucked not in a good way. Meeting up with 2 chicks without ID at the same time. You could use a course in street wise.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764902]And you are ticking all the boxes of someone that is about to be taken advantage of and that things are not going to end well for. I have been meeting chicks online since there was an online to be on. No matter how bisexual one has been, she is not going to just volunteer to bring a friend without meeting a guy unless something is not on the up and up. You have just squared your chances of being fucked not in a good way. Meeting up with 2 chicks without ID at the same time. You could use a course in street wise.[/QUOTE]This was pretty much my experience: I met the woman alone for lunch first, went back to my place for a few hours, and towards the end she asked if I wanted a threesome with her friend.

Another woman I was talking to immediately pitched the idea of a threesome. They didn't want to meet first, they wanted to immediately go back to my place. She said something like "we're two very busy people who only study and work, we don't have time for anything else". I declined.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764902]And you are ticking all the boxes of someone that is about to be taken advantage of and that things are not going to end well for. I have been meeting chicks online since there was an online to be on. No matter how bisexual one has been, she is not going to just volunteer to bring a friend without meeting a guy unless something is not on the up and up. You have just squared your chances of being fucked not in a good way. Meeting up with 2 chicks without ID at the same time. You could use a course in street wise.[/QUOTE]I would second everything Mr E just said. I wrote up some beginners rules a long time ago. One of the basics is that you don't plan an overnight or a trio or a trip with a girl you haven't met before. It inevitably leads to regret (or worse).

Here are some common sense hints: 1. Don't even think about doing a trio with a girl you haven't met. 2. Even if you have met her, don't arrange a trio if she is the one to initiate the idea. It should be your idea. 3. If she does want to do a trio with a "friend" it isn't a bad idea [B]A[/B]: to get a bunch of pictures of her friend to see if you find her attractive. [B]B[/B]: To be clear about what types of activities are going to take place (I. E. Girl-girl action or will it just be tag-team on you) and what you are expected to pay. [B]C[/B]: You should session once with the "friend" to see how the two of you get along in an intimate scenario.

Most trios end up being a big disappointment.

I printed out the form this morning so I hope that will be ok. I have always in the past have gotten a quick response to my E- Mail.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

I also posted on the General Info board but I also did it here as the MDE board has the most traffic.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2764886]Love Motel app [URL]https://motelnowapp.com/[/URL] BTW JlBee62 you have amazing info. I want to check out Ibiza next week.[/QUOTE]I've probably been to Motel Ibiza 15 times. It's pricey, but most girls aren't in a hurry to leave once they get there.

Are ID's required at the short time hotels in centro? If so, will a US drivers license suffice or do you need to have your passport? Gracias amigos!

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2765009]I printed out the form this morning so I hope that will be ok. I have always in the past have gotten a quick response to my E- Mail.

Anyone else have this happen to them?[/QUOTE]Your question made me curious so I did a search on my email and realized that 3 of last 4 trips they never emailed me confirmation. The only time they did was summer 2021, none since. I always have done a screen shot of the confirmation screen and emailed it to myself but I have never been asked to see it nor had any problems. You printed out yours so you should be fine.

I am currently in Medellin. The arrival was a bit shitty because Medellin's airport is currently performing maintenance at night (around 1 am). My initial flight was a bit late so it got cancelled because Medellin's airport shut down at 1 am. I don't know if they are done w the maintenance but if you flight is late you might end up w a cancelled flight.

A few of my friends went semi pros. They told me there is a bunch of Mexican guys recruiting Medellin girls. Kicker is that these Mexican guys only want them for more than 2 months and after that they get new girls. They can come back after 2 months.

I am always happy to see my friends and I like to think they are happy to see me too. Happy to share their contact info. I feel terrible that I can only see them once or twice because of work.

Every single time I visited Medellin immigration never checked the form. The airlines does but they only give it a quick look.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2765009]I printed out the form this morning so I hope that will be ok. I have always in the past have gotten a quick response to my E- Mail.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

I also posted on the General Info board but I also did it here as the MDE board has the most traffic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2765036]Are ID's required at the short time hotels in centro? If so, will a US drivers license suffice or do you need to have your passport? Gracias amigos![/QUOTE]You need your passport.

Where is everyone going for Thanksgiving dinner in medellin? Any recommendations for good traditional thanksgiving food?

After all this talk about crime and druggings in Medellin, I will talk about a good day that I had in Medellin on my last trip.

A few months ago, I was chatting with this girl on Facebook in Medellin. We had a good chat and she was eager to meet me but she was not yet 18 so that was a problem. I went on my first trip to Medellin and did not see her for obvious reasons. Well, on my second trip, she turned 18 two days into the trip and wanted to meet with me ASAP to make some of that gringo money. I offered her 200 mil for 2 hours, plus transport, and sex without a condom and she accepted my offer. It is possible that she would have accepted less but I am comfortable with that number. She had a digital version of her cedula and I checked with the hotel and they said it would be ok so I told her to come over at night.

She comes over and her digital cedula checks out and up she goes to my room. She is a curvy girl with large breasts and a cute face. Later she said she was nervous in the beginning because she had never done this before. We chatted first and then I took some pictures as she started taking off her clothes exposing her large natural breasts. I gave her a sensual massage and put my hands all over that young fit body, needed extra massage oil for those big breasts. Then I started sliding my cock between her breasts and then into her mouth. We switched positions so she could be more comfortable giving me a blowjob. It was a decent blowjob and she took directions very well.

She then climbed on top and eased my cock into her pussy and grinded away. It was nice with those big breasts in my face. Then we switched to doggy and I grabbed those breasts and banged away. Very nice indeed. Finally for the big finish, we switched to missionary, I picked up the speed and came inside her pussy. I have a vasectomy so I don't worry about pregnancy.

A very nice GFE session. She was friendly and was not in a rush.

This is a good example of why we come to Medellin. Young attractive curvy girl who just turned 18 a day earlier, eager to start making some money. I am an average looking monger in his late 50's. Life is good.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2765036]Are ID's required at the short time hotels in centro? If so, will a US drivers license suffice or do you need to have your passport? Gracias amigos![/QUOTE]Fwiw, I've been to 3-4 of the el centro ST hotels on carrera 53 and have never been asked for my passport. Ymmv.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2765036]Are ID's required at the short time hotels in centro? If so, will a US drivers license suffice or do you need to have your passport? Gracias amigos![/QUOTE]Most places don't check. The only place that I know will check is Premier Plaza. I went a few weeks ago with a Vennie and I went there to have the hotel check her Venezuela cedula but they said they were fully booked at 10 AM so I did not use it. I remember they used to not allow Venezuela ID but the girl told me they do now. That's why I went.

[QUOTE=SoulCust;2765058]Where is everyone going for Thanksgiving dinner in medellin? Any recommendations for good traditional thanksgiving food?[/QUOTE]My wingman gave me a choice to go to Patrick's Iris bar, but we opt for steak. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764902]And you are ticking all the boxes of someone that is about to be taken advantage of and that things are not going to end well for.....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2764664]...They are not all criminals unless I'm missing something.

Anyway, I'm a bit after this lady as she seems to tick some boxes:....[/QUOTE]What you miss is that most of them who want something from you lie. It is one of their survival tools. What else do you want them to tell you?

Those who insist on sex without a condom are any of you taking Truvada PrEP?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765124]What you miss is that most of them who want something from you lie. It is one of their survival tools. What else do you want them to tell you?[/QUOTE]Even if she doesn't plan on drugging / robbing him, it's not a good idea to plan to spend extended time with something you've never met in person. You have no idea how much you'll like her when you meet. Meet her in person first. Spend an hour or two in the sack. If you still like her and you seem to get along, spend a little more time together.

This is Mongering 101. In addition to plain common sense.

Went to a few casas this afternoon. Started with New Life in El Centro. A few girls there 7+ to my liking. Took the first one who was tall and slim. She gave an excellent massage for 45 minutes. First customer strength. Last 15 minutes were for a CBJ and banging.

Total cost was 100000 COP ( 22 USD) with an additional 20000 for a tip. Rooms were basic.

Second place I explored was Amigas Sexy a few streets over. Took another girl, a tight spinner 23 year old with one child. Still had a tight stomach but damn that pussy was wide. She wanted 50000 COP for BBBJ. I opted for HJ before sex. Took the 30 minutes option for 60000 COP. Tipped her 20000 after the session. Room was a step above Heaven Above with a jacuzzi.

Went two other places nearby but only stopped by to have a drink and check them out as I was finished for the day. Hoping to check out more in the coming days.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2765145].... Hoping to check out more in the coming days.[/QUOTE]I think you can try to explore strip club like Grill Nueva Avenida. The service and pricing is more favorable and girls of different body type. I was at New Life today with my wingman.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2765036]Are ID's required at the short time hotels in centro? If so, will a US drivers license suffice or do you need to have your passport? Gracias amigos![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2765049]You need your passport.[/QUOTE]After a Thanksgiving Day break from ISG, I'm belatedly chiming in on the above exchange of posts from yesterday.

Short term hotels, if they require an ID at all, have always accepted a xerox copy of my passport, More often than not they have only been interested in the chica's ID. When out and about mongering, my passport itself always remains in the safe in my apartment.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2765145]..., a tight spinner 23 year old with one child. Still had a tight stomach but damn that pussy was wide. ....[/QUOTE]A tight spinner with a wide pussy. Not surprising because the hottest girls have the widest pussies. They are the ones most men choose.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2765073]....This is a good example of why we come to Medellin. Young attractive curvy girl who just turned 18 a day earlier, eager to start making some money. I am an average looking monger in his late 50's. Life is good.[/QUOTE]In a 2018 trip to Medellin a 17 yr old decided to chat me up in a bus from Poblado to El Centro. I was an obvious foreigner and perhaps she wanted to practice her English. She was a dental student and eager to get as much info on the US as possible as her plan was to practice dentistry there. What a pity she was only 17.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2765281]After a Thanksgiving Day break from ISG, I'm belatedly chiming in on the above exchange of posts from yesterday.

Short term hotels, if they require an ID at all, have always accepted a xerox copy of my passport, More often than not they have only been interested in the chica's ID. When out and about mongering, my passport itself always remains in the safe in my apartment.[/QUOTE]Yep, a copy works. And my initial response was more about normal hotels, etc. Who are required to have ID, being a passport for foreigners. I am not sure about the short-term places. My response was more about acceptable form of ID which is passport, not a drivers license.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2765290]A tight spinner with a wide pussy. Not surprising because the hottest girls have the widest pussies. They are the ones most men choose.[/QUOTE]This right here is really frustrating. I have hot ass MILF down there with the tightest body and perfect man-made boobs ever (she knows they are her best pair of assets) but OMG, her pussy is loose asf. Even with what I'm packing there's hardly any feeling no matter the position. Of course it only means we'the have to fuck for much longer than I want to. I'the love to bareback her to finish early but I'm not risking it. Sigh.

A week before my last trip, I get a FB friend request from a young attractive girl, KK. I check out her profile and see that she is 18, petite, super slim and attractive so I accepted her friend request. She sends me a message and we engage in the usual small chat and she says she wants to meet me when I am in Medellin. I ask her how much she is expecting and she says 400 mil. I give her my standard opening offer, 200 mil, 2 hours, sex without a condom. As I always say, most girls say no, some girls say yes and there is some wiggle room. She says it would be fine with me. So she moves up on my list of girls to see.

My first choice, another 18 year old girl, is on her period so KK gets the prime first day spot. She shows up and her ID checks out. She looks like her pictures and I am happy. We chat, she strips down and I take a few pictures. She is very small, perhaps 5 feet, 90 pounds. I give a short sensual massage and she seems to enjoy it. I gesture for her to give me a blowjob and it is decent but nothing special. She could improve in that area but it was a nice try. Then she got on top, grabbed my cock and eased it into her pussy. Definitely a nice feeling. She really got into it on top and showed a lot of energy. She was actually moving too fast for me and I slowed her down a bit. Then we switched positions to doggy and here I was a bit careful because she is very small and I didn't want to hurt her. For the finale, we switched to missionary and I took my time before finishing with a creampie.

She was friendly, didn't rush me and allowed me to have my way. I was very happy with her performance.

As I said in my last post, despite all the news about druggings and robberies, this is why we come to Colombia. A young attractive girl eager to meet with older gringos to make some money and willing to work hard to please the gringo so that she can get repeat business.

She turned out to be the only girl I saw twice on my last trip.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2765290]A tight spinner with a wide pussy. Not surprising because the hottest girls have the widest pussies. They are the ones most men choose.[/QUOTE]I have noticed this trend over the years. Still surprising in a bad way.

Went back again to New Life and chose a skinny wide-hipped MILF who had white skin and a very nice face, all natural. Her pussy was the tightest I've had yet. Her ass looked impossible but was confirmed all natural. Not sure how some of these girls get their shapes without being fatties but being young must help a lot. Do these curvy skinny Colombianas blow up past a certain point?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765177]I think you can try to explore strip club like Grill Nueva Avenida. The service and pricing is more favorable and girls of different body type. I was at New Life today with my wingman.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'll check it out. Mostly into petite girls. Not sure if any particular establishment is known for these types of girls.

In general, I would say the casa talent level has fallen off since C19. I've noticed less casas and less talent. Not sure if its Lleras, webcams, Onlyfans, or whatever but the talent you used to find in casas isn't there on a consistent basis. Don't get me wrong, its still a good time depending on what you like.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765118]My wingman gave me a choice to go to Patrick's Iris bar, but we opt for steak. LOL.[/QUOTE]I wish I had chosen to go eat a steak too. I had the Thanksgiving dinner at Patrick's. It was not good. Which steakhouse did you goto? Any reccomendations? I liked Don Diablo. They have dry aged steaks there.

Is there a lab in or near Poblado where you can get STD tested and get the results quickly?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2765355]In general, I would say the casa talent level has fallen off since C19.[/QUOTE]The only casa I visit is Loutron and there I'd say the experience is the opposite, last few months the line up has been awesome. You got t be at the right time though, if it's busy the hotties are taken.

[URL]https://farrasnorte.com/pdv/?biz=-Ma953GJdOFCH_U0l8x4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2765355]In general, I would say the casa talent level has fallen off since C19. I've noticed less casas and less talent. Not sure if its Lleras, webcams, Onlyfans, or whatever but the talent you used to find in casas isn't there on a consistent basis. Don't get me wrong, its still a good time depending on what you like.[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras is under construction at the current time. Do the girls shift somewhere else?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2765379]Is there a lab in or near Poblado where you can get STD tested and get the results quickly?[/QUOTE]I use CLínica Somos but as for fast, what are you talking? The ONLY fast rest is 3rd and 4th gen HIV. Everything else is 24 hrs up to 7 days no way to change that.

Also I'm very unhappy with the limited testing Somos offers. Outside of Bangkok it is hard to find a thorough test seemingly anywhere of 17 big ones. Having recebtly caught a rarely tested for bug it does matter A LOT.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2765145]She wanted 50000 COP for BBBJ. I opted for HJ before sex. Took the 30 minutes option for 60000 COP. Tipped her 20000 after the session. [/QUOTE]Who gives a 33% tip to not get what they want?

Total noob here. When using love motels how do you approach it. Do you tell the girl you are using a love motel? I'm curious with how to take advantage of love motels when, from reports, most girls are late.

Can you easily increase time if necessary?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2765429]Parque Lleras is under construction at the current time. Do the girls shift somewhere else?[/QUOTE]Been undergoing construction for awhile now. Not sure if things changed but I was through there a couple of months ago and the girls still hung around the main clubs and also were walking throughout the neighborhood and scattered throughout the bars. It was a Saturday night and I definitely saw a lot out there.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2765488]Total noob here. When using love motels how do you approach it. Do you tell the girl you are using a love motel? I'm curious with how to take advantage of love motels when, from reports, most girls are late.Can you easily increase time if necessary? Thanks.[/QUOTE]One of my regulars for a couple of years was a Venezuelan chica who didn't have a cedula that would pass muster with the receptionist in the San Peter Apartments. Initially, she would meet me there and we would then walk to a neighborhood Love Hotel, but each of the nearby ones had cramped, shoebox size rooms. At some point I found a Love Hotel about a mile away with spacious rooms and more amenities, and arranged to have her meet me there (the Golden Suites, on Nutibara). Predictably, she arrived 20 minutes late,. So, instead, after that experience, I arranged for her to come by the San Peter in a taxi, text me on her arrival, and then we would drive together to the hotel.

That worked well. But on reflection (especially after reading the flurry of recent reports on this thread of drugings and robberies), as a common-sense precaution I would modify this procedure, even with a chica whom I already knew pretty well: Instead of getting into a car with a driver she had obtained (a somewhat risky proposition), I would either arrange for an Uber to bring her to me and then continue on to the hotel, or I would have her exit her taxi at my building, wait for me outside or in reception, and then go together in a taxi that I had personally ordered myself or in one that I would flag down in the street.

I can't imagine that you would have a problem increasing the time in a Love Hotel room except perhaps on the busiest times of the week. For example, I can recall arriving at the Golden Suites on a Friday or Saturday night without a reservation and having to wait 20 minutes or so for a room to open up. Perhaps under these circumstances, the hotel would give precedence to the couples waiting for a room, rather than allowing you to extend your the time of your tryst. As always, Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2765571]... As always, Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE] I would tell girl to send me her live location so I can track her. I would send her to the building near the love motel so she would not know where I live. If she does not have data, get her number and put data on her phone at gana. I don't send my exact location to the girl. It is always another building nearby.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2765292]In a 2018 trip to Medellin a 17 yr old decided t... was a dental student....[/QUOTE]Most 17 yr old are still in high school. Maybe she said she wanted to be a dentist.

[QUOTE=SoulCust;2765356]I wish I had chosen to go eat a steak too. I had the Thanksgiving dinner at Patrick's. It was not good. Which steakhouse did you goto? Any reccomendations? I liked Don Diablo. They have dry aged steaks there.[/QUOTE]Madurando, this is mentioned by Surfer. It also serves dry aged steak. I am not sure I would recommend it after going there a few times. It is not busy. Seating is nice with a great view and open hours are longer. Service is fast and friendly. It's the person who handle the grill may need improvement because the quality varies.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2764751]Exactly...[/QUOTE]Let's look at it in a different way. Would you know about it if Os did not post? Just based on reading his posts, he is someone who wants to live the fullest now and die tomorrow (if an accident happens) without regret. Do you really listen to everything the governments tell you? He just peeled away another layer to observe what many don't see and report it here.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765581]Let's look at it in a different way. Would you know about it if Os did not post? Just based on reading his posts, he is someone who wants to live the fullest now and die tomorrow (if an accident happens) without regret. Do you really listen to everything the governments tell you? He just peeled away another layer to observe what many don't see and report it here.[/QUOTE]What Os posted he was doing, is just not how the vast majority of the posters here monger as you have eluded to.

And yes, "some" of the things he did others do here, but not with such reckless abandon.

Living life to the "fullest" means something totally different to everyone, and it boils down to how guy's roll here, so how Os was rolling here was definitely entertaining, but I doubt any one would really like to emulate how he rolls.

Saw this in New Life yesterday. Complimentary Champagne.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2765488]Total noob here. When using love motels how do you approach it. Do you tell the girl you are using a love motel? I'm curious with how to take advantage of love motels when, from reports, most girls are late.

Can you easily increase time if necessary?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]My go-to motel is Thematic Luxury on Calle 33. They have a waiting room just up some stairs at the reception area. I just wait there until the girl alerts me she has arrived. Then I go down and meet her and we get our room then. The rooms in these nicer places are for 3 hours and you can extend an hour. Nil Admirari mentioned the Golden Suites on Avenida Nutibara and it works pretty much the same way.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2765488]Total noob here. When using love motels how do you approach it. Do you tell the girl you are using a love motel? I'm curious with how to take advantage of love motels when, from reports, most girls are late.

Can you easily increase time if necessary?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]To avoid any confusion, there are 2 types that some might consider "love motels. " The first are short time hotels, which you can find in El Centro and Mayorista. They rent basic rooms in 30 minute increments (per hour in Mayorista). They are generally only used by guys picking street girls.

Love Motels vary from a very basic room (Suites 44 in Laureles), to a deluxe room (Motel Ibiza in Itagui). They rent from 3 to 6 hours. I've used Motel Ibiza many times and several other places once.

The process at Motel Ibiza is simple. The taxi will pull up to the gate just like a drive-thru speaker at McDonald's. Tell them what kind of room you want (only with jacuzzi, or with jacuzzi and sauna). You'll be told a room number, gate will open and the taxi will drive to your door. The number light will be flashing and the door will be open. About 3 years ago they had a security guard at the gate checking cedulas.

Inside there will be an unmarked switch to close the door. Close door, climb stairs and you'll be in your room. Stripper pole, couch, sound system, love chair, bed, jacuzzi, shower, sink and toilet, along with a mini fridge will be in the room. Price list for things in the fridge is posted. Bubble bath, lube, condoms and some cheap sex toys can be found there, along with a good selection of drinks and snacks. There's a little cabinet over the fridge, that's where you pay when you're finished.

You need to call the front desk to get the jacuzzi turned on, the air conditioning turned on and to get your bill and check out. They will also get a taxi for you. After you call to get the bill, someone will come (behind the walls) and lock the fridge, so they can swing it open and see what you used. Once the bill is ready you'll hear a buzzer. Open the cabinet, pay the bill and when your taxi arrives they will open the door downstairs.

I've always told girls that they would be picking me up and then we would go to a motel. Most have been excited to go to Motel Ibiza. They message me when they arrive at the meeting spot, I hop in the taxi and give the new destination.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2764751]Exactly. If everyone flies down there and acts like a wreckless asshole, authorities and the public will be more inclined to crack down on the sex trade. Like that guy Osteo who would constantly post about his whoring and drug use all over the forum, then guys read that and go down there and act a fool. Speaking of Oseo, what happened to that guy? I haven't seen his posts lately, did he finally overdose or get locked up? LOL I miss his posts, they were funny.

But in all seriousness, dudes should monger with class, tip appropriately, contribute to the local economy, keep your head down, and hope the game isn't ruined by the authorities in the near future.[/QUOTE]I think Osteo was in Florida according to 1 of his last posts.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2765592]What Os posted he was doing, is just not how the vast majority of the posters here monger as you have eluded to.....[/QUOTE]What is the difference in your above statement than when I said "many don't see"? It's a way to understand it without making judgement. It's reckless only because he wrote it, otherwise you don't know. What do you consider reckless?

Good move changing to uber. Besides the safety factor there is the added benefit of not having to guess when the girl will arrive.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2765571]One of my regulars for a couple of years was a Venezuelan chica who didn't have a cedula that would pass muster with the receptionist in the San Peter Apartments. Initially, she would meet me there and we would then walk to a neighborhood Love Hotel, but each of the nearby ones had cramped, shoebox size rooms. At some point I found a Love Hotel about a mile away with spacious rooms and more amenities, and arranged to have her meet me there (the Golden Suites, on Nutibara). Predictably, she arrived 20 minutes late,. So, instead, after that experience, I arranged for her to come by the San Peter in a taxi, text me on her arrival, and then we would drive together to the hotel.

That worked well. But on reflection (especially after reading the flurry of recent reports on this thread of drugings and robberies), as a common-sense precaution I would modify this procedure, even with a chica whom I already knew pretty well: Instead of getting into a car with a driver she had obtained (a somewhat risky proposition), I would either arrange for an Uber to bring her to me and then continue on to the hotel, or I would have her exit her taxi at my building, wait for me outside or in reception, and then go together in a taxi that I had personally ordered myself or in one that I would flag down in the street.

I can't imagine that you would have a problem increasing the time in a Love Hotel room except perhaps on the busiest times of the week. For example, I can recall arriving at the Golden Suites on a Friday or Saturday night without a reservation and having to wait 20 minutes or so for a room to open up. Perhaps under these circumstances, the hotel would give precedence to the couples waiting for a room, rather than allowing you to extend your the time of your tryst. As always, Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]

It's not hard to see the targeted marketing here. Did they even bother with a Spanish language version of the advert? New Life is a very well known quantity so I won't bore anyone further about it. The alborada is maybe not quite as well known. Basically, it is over the top fireworks that begin about 3 PM and begins to peter out between 5 AM and 6 AM on December 1. It really sucks. It drives pets crazy and it makes any restful sleep impossible. The morning news on December 1 always includes several sad stories of young children and teenagers who are left with lifetime disabilities after they lose fingers, hands, and sometimes even arms, all because of selfish drunken people who can't conceive of another way to celebrate the beginning of the holiday season.

[QUOTE=DogLife;2765594]Saw this in New Life yesterday. Complimentary Champagne.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765604]What do you consider reckless?[/QUOTE]Reckless? Anything that makes the locals frown upon that foreigner because the locals may generalize that all foreigners are that way. Anything that is illegal (especially in public) like buying, using, or smelling of drugs. Guys that are "loud" in dressing that says I have money so please rob me. Guys that talk loudly so that people 2+ meters away can hear what they are saying like they are someone to be heard or are special in some way but obviously are the complete opposite. This is especially true if you are loudly negotiating what you want the girl to do in bed while "regular" everyday people are passing by and have to hear you and they have kids with them.

I saw Osteo a few times at Centro. Hard to miss based on his appearance and how he carried himself since he looked like a 70's or hard rock dressed guy. Not sure how he acted but based on his endless need for attention on this site I really doubt he had the ability to turn his attention seeking "please please please good lord look at me" off in public. Newbies visit this site a few weeks before their first Colombia trip and read Osteos crap and assume this is how foreigners act and copy his crap.

But in private do largely whatever you want to do as long as others are not negatively affected. Example is stay in your apartment and drink until you pass out or go out on the hotel balcony and get high. You had fun and nobody was effected.

But if you are at the appropriate location for attention then do so. You are at a concert then scream your head off. You are at a disco then dress so wildly that you get everyone's attention.

So many idiots can not figure out that yelling to the lyrics in a loud bar or concert is fine but yelling the lyrics to a song you are listening to with headphones on walking down the mall is not fine. Darwin needs to do some triple shifts at work.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765581]Let's look at it in a different way. Would you know about it if Os did not post? Just based on reading his posts, he is someone who wants to live the fullest now and die tomorrow (if an accident happens) without regret. Do you really listen to everything the governments tell you? He just peeled away another layer to observe what many don't see and report it here.[/QUOTE]I stick to the facts and not looking at things a different way. Yes I would know everything I know about Colombia irregardless of what he or anyone posts. I understand his way of life and I don't knock him for it, he wants to enjoy life as much as possible for a very short limited amount of time and play the game at dangerous levels to the point they are unnecessary. That's his choice, god bless him. As I have stated before, we all should be more discreet about what we post on an open forum as to preserve the game. The purpose of the forum is not draw as much negative attention to it as humanly possible by posting a dozen times a day about every nut we ever busted and every drug we sniffed up our nose. Do what you want when you land, just use logical discretion as to what you post. That is the point I am trying to make. The focus should be on exchanging useful information as too where to find the girls you prefer and at the prices you can afford.

It will be a sad day when Medellin turns into Buenos Aires or Havana. Sure you can still monger in those cities, but it certainly isn't as fun as it used to be.

If more guys played the game with class, treated the girls right, treated the people right- mongers and the hobby will most likely be tolerated to a higher degree. The narrative of promoting reckless behavior does nothing to help us in the long run. Preserve the game for the next generation my fellow travelers LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765604]What is the difference in your above statement than when I said "many don't see"? It's a way to understand it without making judgement. It's reckless only because he wrote it, otherwise you don't know. What do you consider reckless?[/QUOTE]Reckless simply put is a lack of care about risks or danger. And there can be quite a bit of risk and danger while mongering in Colombia versus most other countries. Some of the dangers include being drugged and robbed, along with engaging in risky sex. These for the most part can be mitigated by taking precaution, however we have read several posts here about the dangers I've mentioned, and in a lot of the instances, what happened could of been avoided.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2765571]But on reflection (especially after reading the flurry of recent reports on this thread of drugings and robberies), as a common-sense precaution I would modify this procedure, even with a chica whom I already knew pretty well: Instead of getting into a car with a driver she had obtained (a somewhat risky proposition), I would either arrange for an Uber to bring her to me and then continue on to the hotel, or I would have her exit her taxi at my building, wait for me outside or in reception, and then go together in a taxi that I had personally ordered myself or in one that I would flag down in the street.
[/QUOTE]A chica I had on my to-do list my recent trip, sent photos of her friend due to her not actually living in Medellin (she lived 2 hrs away). I agreed to see her friend after seeing the ass on her; perfectly shaped Negrita! Day of our appointment, I was upstairs waiting for her at my Airbnb when security buzzed me to come downstairs. I went down and security told me she didn't have a cedula (I stressed this multiple times in coordinating her visit), was very sketchy, and wouldn't recommend inviting her to my place. From previous visits I had built a rapport with the gentleman and mentioned to him to look out for me and I naturally took care of him whenever I visited. I pulled the chica aside and said I couldn't see her and handed her some cash for her time and ride back home. She looked very disappointed and small head was in full force of taking charge. I quickly remembered seeing several posts on here about Ibiza in Itagui, so told her to meet me there in an hour if she was up for it. I looked up the location and sent her a pin drop. I went back up, got ready and hailed a taxi down to Ibiza, where she was waiting at the entrance. We went in, ordered the room, and the rest is history. In hindsight that was really dumb on my part but then again perhaps taking her to a love motel saved me from getting drugged. Overriding security's recommendation would've been even dumber. I would never know.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2765654].... along with engaging in risky sex. ...[/QUOTE]He is not the only one if you mean what I think you mean. Do you remember there was another member with several girls in a jacuzzi, probably in a penthouse, and police came knock on the door? I would like to hear your opinion which one is more risky?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2765634]...Not sure how he acted but based on his endless need for attention on this site I really doubt he had the ability to turn his attention seeking....[/QUOTE]But that is your guess based on what he wrote, right? You can't point out what is reckless based on seeing him outside several times.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2765646]I stick to the facts and not looking at things a different way. ....[/QUOTE]You can stick to the fact from your point of view, but that is not universally true.

[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2765352]... Mostly into petite girls. Not sure if any particular establishment is known for these types of girls.[/QUOTE]That is why I gave you the suggestion as I know what New Life is like. Tonight is good if you can go but it is packed. El Centro also has plenty

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2765634]Not sure how he acted but based on his endless need for attention on this site I really doubt he had the ability to turn his attention seeking "please please please good lord look at me" off in public. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765691]
But that is your guess based on what he wrote, right? You can't point out what is reckless based on seeing him outside several times.[/QUOTE]You answered your own question to me using my quote above. Are you mental or something because I already clearly answered your question before you even asked it. My "not sure" = your "guess". Darwin is looking for you.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2765646]I
The narrative of promoting reckless behavior does nothing to help us in the long run. Preserve the game for the next generation my fellow travelers LOL.[/QUOTE]Ram, early on in the hobby I mistakenly thought getting the hot woman was validation of my manhood. When I got to know the women, I quickly saw how many women were addicted to drugs and would do anything to get them and how much mental illness there was. Obviously, attaching validation to these women was nuts. As an aside, I made two rules for the hobby I have tried to stick by. The women in the hobby are for fun and to make us feel good. If they or the hobby is not fun, stop. If a woman is no longer making you feel good, get rid of her.

But mental illness is not just on the female side. When a guy is driving a car 140 MPH down the highway while stoned and getting a blowjob, I do not see that as a guy living his life to the fullest. I see a guy who is feeling so depressed and so badly that he does not care if he lives or dies.

When you have a guy like that, nothing you post here is going to get them to change their behavior.

Hi guys. I am going to Columbia. Medellin, Bogota and Cartagna next month. I am looking for the big fake tits, barbie look. Cost isn't a thing. I want top notch latina bimbos. Hot as fuck. I have been looking on escort sites. Where the top price is 200000.300000. Was looking for better looking. Appreciate any links or pm messages. Thanks.

So I been searching Facebook and I've been coming across a lot of girls with chest, arm and thigh tattoos. Is this a thing in Colombia? Do a lot of these fb girls have tattoos? Because I've heard girls with tattoos are exactly the ones we should avoid to prevent getting robbed or drugged. I'm also looking for the thick Barbie look type girls preferably no tattoos and classy looking. I'm hoping I'll come across some at gustos, mansion, la isla or fase 2?

[QUOTE=Nailr;2765752]I am looking for the big fake tits, barbie look. I want top notch latina bimbos. Hot as fuck. I have been looking on escort sites. Where the top price is 200000.300000. Was looking for better looking. [/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Just keeping looking. There are plenty of plastics online, and in the expensive clubs. I can't give you more specifics because its those types of girls that I dislike.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2765788]So I been searching Facebook and I've been coming across a lot of girls with chest, arm and thigh tattoos. Is this a thing in Colombia? Do a lot of these fb girls have tattoos? Because I've heard girls with tattoos are exactly the ones we should avoid to prevent getting robbed or drugged. I'm also looking for the thick Barbie look type girls preferably no tattoos and classy looking. I'm hoping I'll come across some at gustos, mansion, la isla or fase 2?[/QUOTE]So far, I have not met a girl without tattoos in Medellin. Some have a lot, some have a few but none had none. It is just a thing in Medellin with young people in Medellin. It has no connection with being robbed or drugged. At least with me so far. Good luck finding a girl without any tatts because that eliminates a lot of girls in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765577]Most 17 yr old are still in high school. Maybe she said she wanted to be a dentist.[/QUOTE]I think you are correct, she was some sort of lab technician employee who was preparing to be a dental student. She was wearing some sort of medical uniform.

There are several good reports already on this thread for trip panning purposes so this is just some observations from last month. I had a good time.

As others have been noting, there seems to be a sustained increase*in tourists coming to the city.

Multiple Airbnb's I have stayed before and other hotels either had limited availability or no availability at all. The rise of remote workers may also have contributed to this.

The immigration line took about 30 minutes and I had one of my regular chica pick me up. I saw a drunk tourist on his first visit pull out his phone and show pics of FB chicas to multiple people while asking them about getting to Poblado. This kind of behaviour is appalling!

Whenever I did street and casas, I generally noticed a fairly good increase in tourists than last year. Do not know if this is coming off of pandemic rebound or because*this is a good mongering destination and tourist growth is organic. Casas girls have also increased their tips, from 20 k to 50 or 100 k.

I met multiple ISGers and we hung out and created a WhatsApp group. We also went to a few bars in Manrique.

Most of this year, I used tinder / bumble and other sites for overnight wine and dine, kept off of FB, Did not pick up anyone in the PL area but either ways the area is in construction and SWers have moved.

Sugar dating sites have changed the game a bit. There are multiple profiles who are on bumble, SA and tinder but also on FB. Several are students or office workers and you have to arrange your schedule based on when they get off work. My go to places for dinner are either in Provenza or mercado del rio.

Several chicas in SA have specialized, one specifically has a passport and mostly wants to travel. One picks up those who are nomad workers. She cooks, cleans the apartment and laundry during working hours etc. And establishes a long term relationship. Multiple chicas have shown their principal daddies who sent monthly maintenance but are able to come only once a year.

Many SA chicas I have seen early in the year have now moved on to other (richer) daddies. *One explicitly told me that I cannot afford her since she is high maintenance despite me paying her generously by SA standards. She got 2 iphone 14 pros from one of her regular guys!

Over Past couple of trips, I met multiple chicas with a day job and was able to do some activities. A swim instructor took me to the school where she worked and I had a good time watching her teach. One nursing student took me to her classes in Cena. I met a girl who works as a dentist in centro area and sat in her clinic watching her doing fillings and ogling her assistants.

One chica asked to if she could bring Novio after seeing my apartment. She came over next day with her BF* and we drank and went to a disco in Poblado. He left after partying and she left in the morning.

I will be travelling to smaller towns on my next trip and will report back.

Took a walk around LLeras and Calle 10 about 7 PM on Saturday and again on Sunday around 8 AM. Interesting in the evening as the street along side Gusto's side of the park is being re-done so it's only a narrow walkway. In most places, there's not enough area for SW's to hang as they would basically be blocking the walkway in many areas. So after walking alongside that side of the park I went to Calle 10 and started walking up towards Provenza and there was a line up of girls and seemed like quite a few and some pretty ones, along with some very aggressive ones, or perhaps I should say very hungry ones as one was after me, LOL.

Anyways, some parts of the Park seem almost complete, but at the bottom of the park they still have a large subsurface drainage basin to install which involves a lot of concrete work so it's going to take a awhile.

And on Sunday morning I went by and there were construction crews working on a Sunday. So who knows how things will transform when the park re-opens. I'm wondering that if besides the SW's in the Park there will also be all the SW's up Calle 10 and on the side streets. Who knows as it's interesting how things evolve and change here.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/medellin/comments/z5ua4p/robbed_at_gunpoint_in_gelato_shop/[/URL]

Man robbed at gun point while sitting outside and eating ice cream.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2765788]... Because I've heard girls with tattoos are exactly the ones we should avoid to prevent getting robbed or drugged. ...[/QUOTE]That is a stereo type, not true in my experience.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2765711]..., I do not see that as a guy living his life to the fullest.....[/QUOTE]I think your analogy is not appropriate in this context because we are talking about someone making a conscious decision when he is sober. I think you are making a judgement based on your value. I may even agree with your judgement. What I am suggesting is to remove personal judgement and see things from his point of view to understand it but you don't have to agree with it

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2765707]You answered your own question to me using my quote above. Are you mental or something because I already clearly answered your question before you even asked it. My "not sure" = your "guess". Darwin is looking for you.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your confirmation. I have always enjoyed your posts.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765899]I think your analogy is not appropriate in this context because we are talking about someone making a conscious decision when he is sober. I think you are making a judgement based on your value. I may even agree with your judgement. What I am suggesting is to remove personal judgement and see things from his point of view to understand it but you don't have to agree with it[/QUOTE]So your not saying the poster being discussed here was sober all the time as it seemed more like he was in a daze with all the stuff he was consuming, even apologizing or I should say letting others know he was high when writing his posts.

The consumption of all the stuff he was consuming would definitely cloud someone's decision making for sure, but perhaps not him. I'm surprised he didn't crash and burn on multiple occasion's during his visits here. Never a dull moment for him, and at the end of the day, that's what I think most of us are here for, so if you survive how you like to monger un-scathed, well that's to be admired in many ways.

[QUOTE=Nailr;2765752]Hi guys. I am going to Columbia. Medellin, Bogota and Cartagna next month. I am looking for the big fake tits, barbie look. Cost isn't a thing. I want top notch latina bimbos. Hot as fuck. I have been looking on escort sites. Where the top price is 200000.300000. Was looking for better looking. Appreciate any links or pm messages. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Might consider adding Cali to your itinerary. More silicone tits and ass than any other city I've been to.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2765788]So I been searching Facebook and I've been coming across a lot of girls with chest, arm and thigh tattoos. Is this a thing in Colombia?[/QUOTE]If you like girls without tattoos Medellin is probably not the place for you. You will be hard pressed to find many girls over the age of 18 who have none.

Someone mentioned that the immigration line at the airport was 30 minutes. I can tell you that I had a miserable experience and waited over 1 hour at the immigration line. It was the longest that I had ever waited in immigration at any country. I did arrive on Saturday and maybe that was a factor.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2765906]So your not saying the poster being discussed here was sober all the time as it seemed more like he was in a daze with all the stuff he was consuming, even apologizing or I should say letting others know he was high when writing his posts....[/QUOTE]That is the consequence (instead of the cause) of his decision before coming to Medellin, for example. I don't know when and I am just assuming.

Again, not making judgement, as far as his posts go, he was happy to be in paradise and stayed as long as he could. He, RR, and SS all have similar close encounter and they have reported. Do you think they are that different except the venues? Based on your response to my posts before, you tolerate certain thing, can you say that you see no benefit from that?

I will use a person who enjoys extreme sport as an example. If this person has a family with kids, and he goes out to do the extreme stuff. It is less reckless to do it with insurance than without insurance to cover his family. If this person choose to do it because he does not have family or obligation but he will stop once he has family, then it is less reckless as well. I don't see it as black and white when observing but that is just me.

Just a reminder for those who don't know. Always decline conversion rate at any ATM. $311 vs $337. Don't worry - declining won't cancel your transaction.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2765915]If you like girls without tattoos Medellin is probably not the place for you. You will be hard pressed to find many girls over the age of 18 who have none.[/QUOTE]Despite tattoos are very popular among Medellin chicas, that's not 100% accurate statement. A lot of FB girls outside of the most popular Bello's chicas don't have any tattoos or have one or couple small ones. You can find girls without tattoos in casas, strip clubs or among El Centro SWs.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765923]That is the consequence (instead of the cause) of his decision before coming to Medellin, for example. I don't know when and I am just assuming.

Again, not making judgement, as far as his posts go, he was happy to be in paradise and stay as long as he can. He, RR, and SS all have similar close encounter and they have reported. Do you think they are that different except the venues? Based on your response to my posts before, you tolerate certain thing, can you say that you see no benefit from that?

I will use a person who enjoy extreme sport as an example. If this person has a family with kids, and he goes out to do the extreme stuff. It is less reckless to do it with insurance than without insurance to cover his family. If this person choose to do it because he does not have family or obligation but he will stop once he has family, then it is less reckless as well. I don't see it as black and white when observing but that is just me.[/QUOTE]Annoying, I suppose the moderators wouldn't allow my last post regarding this. Anyway, OS bought a piece of land and was building a house for a hooker! Dude bought multiple scooters for hookers he was banging. How many phones did he have stolen? How often was he using drugs?

There is enjoying life and then there is just being a fool who wants to die. That guy clearly wanted to die. You are actually comparing his behavior with extreme sports, dude, see'Mon. Man. Mountain climbing and buying homes for hookers is not in the same universe, let alone ballpark LOL.

Elvis is correct though, some guys you just can't make a point too.

I would bet my last dollar, we never see a post from OS again as something tragic has probably ocurred to him. Sad, but true.

I hope the guy is on a self-imposed sabbatical because of a period of clarity. I can't think of many better possible results of what I had been reading here. It just did not feel like it was heading to a good place.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2765906]So your not saying the poster being discussed here was sober all the time as it seemed more like he was in a daze with all the stuff he was consuming, even apologizing or I should say letting others know he was high when writing his posts.

The consumption of all the stuff he was consuming would definitely cloud someone's decision making for sure, but perhaps not him. I'm surprised he didn't crash and burn on multiple occasion's during his visits here. Never a dull moment for him, and at the end of the day, that's what I think most of us are here for, so if you survive how you like to monger un-scathed, well that's to be admired in many ways.[/QUOTE]

Arte Dolce is different from the many nearby businesses in an important way. A robber can get in and out of the place rapidly without encountering any resistance from a reception or host area. It is set up so that the employees and the cash are protected but the customers are completely exposed. Nearby businesses have checkpoints at their entrances. The places closer to la 10 like Social, Burdo, and Gato have similarly exposed outdoor tables but they are actively monitored by the police and private security. Most of the businesses in Provenza are glorified fast food counters with chairs and loudspeakers. The small number of quality restaurants all control their entrances. The victim in the reddit report decided to wear a fake Rolex and a gold chain. It appears to have attracted attention. I expect he will reconsider that decision.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2765885][URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/medellin/comments/z5ua4p/robbed_at_gunpoint_in_gelato_shop/[/URL]

Man robbed at gun point while sitting outside and eating ice cream.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://youtu.be/cxKC8M0XNLg[/URL]

Came across this video and even with many MDE yrs in me, found it a useful reminder when I head back out there next month. Think I'll be safer and have more fun hanging out in Bello than Poblado hehe.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2765873]There are several good reports already on this thread for trip panning purposes so this is just some observations from last month. I had a good time.

As others have been noting, there seems to be a sustained increase*in tourists coming to the city.

Multiple Airbnb's I have stayed before and other hotels either had limited availability or no availability at all. The rise of remote workers may also have contributed to this.

The immigration line took about 30 minutes and I had one of my regular chica pick me up. I saw a drunk tourist on his first visit pull out his phone and show pics of FB chicas to multiple people while asking them about getting to Poblado. This kind of behaviour is appalling!

Whenever I did street and casas, I generally noticed a fairly good increase in tourists than last year. Do not know if this is coming off of pandemic rebound or because*this is a good mongering destination and tourist growth is organic. Casas girls have also increased their tips, from 20 k to 50 or 100 k..[/QUOTE]Hey Sankarshetty,

I will be traveling in December first and 2nd week, I sent you a PM.

I have a friend who is 29 only 1 tattoo and is looking to make some extra money for Christmas and for the new year. She is a single mom with 2 kids, I have known her for 4 years. She is not a pro, she works in a restaurant kitchen. She asked if I knew how she could make extra money. I thought I would put this out there. PM me for details and I will send a pic and her WA to contact her. She is asking for 250 mil per hour.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2765936]Despite tattoos are very popular among Medellin chicas, that's not 100% accurate statement. A lot of FB girls outside of the most popular Bello's chicas don't have any tattoos or have one or couple small ones. You can find girls without tattoos in casas, strip clubs or among El Centro SWs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2765788]So I been searching Facebook and I've been coming across a lot of girls with chest, arm and thigh tattoos. Is this a thing in Colombia? Do a lot of these fb girls have tattoos? Because I've heard girls with tattoos are exactly the ones we should avoid to prevent getting robbed or drugged. I'm also looking for the thick Barbie look type girls preferably no tattoos and classy looking. I'm hoping I'll come across some at gustos, mansion, la isla or fase 2?[/QUOTE]Finding women without tattoos is getting very challenging everywhere, and is close to impossible in MDE.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2765634]Reckless? Anything that makes the locals frown upon that foreigner because the locals may generalize that all foreigners are that way. Anything that is illegal (especially in public) like buying, using, or smelling of drugs. Guys that are "loud" in dressing that says I have money so please rob me. Guys that talk loudly so that people 2+ meters away can hear what they are saying like they are someone to be heard or are special in some way but obviously are the complete opposite. This is especially true if you are loudly negotiating what you want the girl to do in bed while "regular" everyday people are passing by and have to hear you and they have kids with them.

I saw Osteo a few times at Centro. Hard to miss based on his appearance and how he carried himself since he looked like a 70's or hard rock dressed guy. Not sure how he acted but based on his endless need for attention on this site I really doubt he had the ability to turn his attention seeking "please please please good lord look at me" off in public. Newbies visit this site a few weeks before their first Colombia trip and read Osteos crap and assume this is how foreigners act and copy his crap.

But in private do largely whatever you want to do as long as others are not negatively affected. Example is stay in your apartment and drink until you pass out or go out on the hotel balcony and get high. You had fun and nobody was effected.

But if you are at the appropriate location for attention then do so. You are at a concert then scream your head off. You are at a disco then dress so wildly that you get everyone's attention.

So many idiots can not figure out that yelling to the lyrics in a loud bar or concert is fine but yelling the lyrics to a song you are listening to with headphones on walking down the mall is not fine. Darwin needs to do some triple shifts at work.[/QUOTE]There once was a guy that dressed and acted like a clown because he saw it in a circus. No law against that.

Girls and thieves in centro, Medellin have an eye for tourists and newbies so the price triples and sometimes they try to figure the easiest quickest way to roll you.

Nothing but stunners.

There were obstacles getting here late Friday. Check Mig broken, Driver did not show, Cambio rates all BS and changing day to day. Bof A Bankcard declined everywhere. LOL Taxi thru the tunnel at 40 km / HR and painting / in tunnel construction (asphyxiating air) but by 8 PM all was well. My go to driver (friend) shows me Lleras and Calle 10 SW's. Actually better quality than I expected and easier access to eye candy, restaurants etc. Then the park used to be.

Then things start to morph into some different reality. Blonde 21 years old at a strip club, 300 COP GUAU. Was wiped out, ate at the outside walk up dinner. (twice) Next day (Saturday) wandering to Santa Fe mall, Cambio rates and cop availability NADA. Used hotel front desk for Cambio. Was a better rate. Went to La Isla. Was sparse at 11 PM but not to disappoint I found a bilingual stunner. Was still tires from the trip and from last nights stunner so got her number and head out to Fase 2, OMG a nearly exact replica of the blonde from the night previously. I thought she was the same girl. I was wrong. Where do these stunning blondes come from? I think they are sisters, I was afraid to ask (Later I will) so we also sessioned, same $300 cop. Plus since it lasted 1. 5 hours (wtf?) I tipped 100 COP Sex was amazing. Body amazing, attitude. Can't believe it.

You guys remember the Shannon Twins that Hefner adopted? These 2 Colombian girls blow them away! I cannot believe it's true. They are probably sisters. My work is cut out for me. 3 stunners in 2 days and I am here for 3 weeks. Dance card is full.

Switching from the laptop to the phone to post a photo. More later.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765891]That is a stereo type, not true in my experience.[/QUOTE]You need more experience then. In the jungle that we play (mongering areas) the more tats in majority of cases equates to more sexual partners and trouble with the law. I believe that women with a large lower back tat have almost always been players at the time of the stamp. They may not be years later but at that time lots of sexual partners. Not called Tramp Stamp for nothing. Also, find that the more tats on a guy the more problems he had with the law in his life. Stereotypes are not made but earned. Like do not walk down a dark alley and do not go out late at night flashing wealth. But if you feel like the exceptions are the way to go then I will happily walk around Botero at 1 am while you wear expensive clothes, jewelry, and phone in your hand. 10 meters behind you I will happily watch you practice what you preach not to judge people late at night because nobody is out to get you and see what happens.

Tell what is your experience with the saying / stereotype of "You can take the girl out of the bar but not take the bar out of the girl"? There are exceptions, but The Rule still stands. You seem to want to find all the exceptions lately with your postings and questioning guys with their definitions. WTF? You just bored?

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2765418]The only casa I visit is Loutron and there I'd say the experience is the opposite, last few months the line up has been awesome. You got t be at the right time though, if it's busy the hotties are taken.[/QUOTE]Is loitering better than the mansion? I've noticed nobody really talks about mansion anymore.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2765974]I have a friend who is 29 only 1 tattoo and is looking to make some extra money for Christmas and for the new year. She is a single mom with 2 kids, I have known her for 4 years. She is not a pro, she works in a restaurant kitchen. She asked if I knew how she could make extra money. I thought I would put this out there. PM me for details and I will send a pic and her WA to contact her. She is asking for 250 mil per hour.[/QUOTE]No offense, but if it's not you who suggested the price it sounds as a 29 yo HARD PRO with golden pussy syndrome and 2 kids "She is asking for 250 mil per hour" : non-pro will NEVER use "per hour".

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2766015]Is loitering better than the mansion? I've noticed nobody really talks about mansion anymore.[/QUOTE]It depends where you choose to loiter.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2765919]Someone mentioned that the immigration line at the airport was 30 minutes. I can tell you that I had a miserable experience and waited over 1 hour at the immigration line. It was the longest that I had ever waited in immigration at any country. I did arrive on Saturday and maybe that was a factor.[/QUOTE]I landed on Saturday around 1 pm as well, and it took me close to an hour to clear the migracion line.

Energy living check in to my suite with a full size jacuzzi on the balcony. One of my regular girls I met in Bogotá met me here for the weekend and we had a great time during the day. They now have a nice restaurant downstairs to take girls as well. Very guest friendly place full of gringos. Friday night went to la Isla got there early and it didn't really get busy until 11:30 at night. Maybe 100 girls at midnight and only 35 at 10:00 pm. Price was 350,000 to go upstairs. Got a bottle of champagne and celebrated.

Saturday night walked around lleras park with all the construction the hoe train was more spread out onto Calle 10 with the fast food restaurants. Can't believe how slow the construction in the park been like that for a few trips now. Then decided to do the strip club tour. Started at Giselle Barra dance for 10 pm only 10 girls some much older with one young skinny looker showing up at eleven. It's a very small club like hole in the wall thoughts. Next up fase dos at 11 pm they have renovated inside and with new leather chairs etc. About 35 girls inside two were to my liking one was a blonde girl I hooked up with in March at la Isla guess she had switched places. Think her name was Nala she had one of the tightest pussys ever. Keegal grip the whole time must have asked doctor for an extra stitch LOL. Finally returned to La Isla at midnight. Instantly took a cute brunette with a nice young juicy fake bum. Round one done. Had a few drinks had to buy a 6 coronas bucket to get a seat. Then found a skinny brunette and took her upstairs. As the night was winding down I made the move and took a cute young blonde with a tight spinner body and asked for her to come to my place.

Here's where the scams begin the guy at the counter said it would be 2,000,000 pesos for take out. I laughed and told the girl to take my number and she could message me later. To come for 1,000,000 for the night. Within five minutes she texted back saying let's go. Paid only 200,000 k for bar exit fee and 800 k to her. She loved taking pictures and videos with the jaHad a great time popping bottled in the jacuzzi she loved the private view of medellin. Had a great time with lots of action all over the condo and some nice long relaxing BBBJ without asking.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2766021]No offense, but if it's not you who suggested the price it sounds as a 29 yo HARD PRO with golden pussy syndrome and 2 kids "She is asking for 250 mil per hour" : non-pro will NEVER use "per hour".[/QUOTE]LOL. And I seriously doubt they would say 250 either. They know that is a lot of damn money, unlike normal hookers that see guys give that amount in tips alone so they assume all foreigners are rich. We all know these new chicks start off at 100,000 and tend to stay as long as you want. Then later in the game they want more money and want it by the hour after enough foreigners have contacted them with offers by the hour because that is how it is done back home.

It is pretty much random and depends on how many other international flights arrive at the same time.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2765919]Someone mentioned that the immigration line at the airport was 30 minutes. I can tell you that I had a miserable experience and waited over 1 hour at the immigration line. It was the longest that I had ever waited in immigration at any country. I did arrive on Saturday and maybe that was a factor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765899]I think your analogy is not appropriate in this context because we are talking about someone making a conscious decision when he is sober.[/QUOTE]As someone else pointed out, he was not sober much of the time.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765899]I think you are making a judgement based on your value.[/QUOTE]Showboating, taking unnecessary risks, and having to be the center of attention are signs of narcissism. Those are what others have said here. They are not my values.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2765899]What I am suggesting is to remove personal judgement and see things from his point of view to understand it but you don't have to agree with it[/QUOTE]That is fair if the guy is not crazy. If he is a narcissist, then he is a miserable insecure person who is projecting an image of a good time Charlie to lure guys in. Do Tussi, fuck women who try to poison you, pegging is great; that is living life to the fullest.

Why would he do that? Well if he can do that now he can feel more normal and has company, and as they say, misery loves company.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2766054]Energy living check in to my suite with a full size jacuzzi on the balcony. One of my regular girls I met in Bogot met me here for the weekend and we had a great time during the day. They now have a nice restaurant downstairs to take girls as well. Very guest friendly place full of gringos. Friday night went to la Isla got there early and it didn't really get busy until 11:30 at night. Maybe 100 girls at midnight and only 35 at 10:00 pm. Price was 350,000 to go upstairs. Got a bottle of champagne and celebrated.

Saturday night walked around lleras park with all the construction the hoe train was more spread out onto Calle 10 with the fast food restaurants. Can't believe how slow the construction in the park been like that for a few trips now. Then decided to do the strip club tour. Started at Giselle Barra dance for 10 pm only 10 girls some much older with one young skinny looker showing up at eleven. It's a very small club like hole in the wall thoughts. Next up fase dos at 11 pm they have renovated inside and with new leather chairs etc. About 35 girls inside two were to my liking one was a blonde girl I hooked up with in March at la Isla guess she had switched places. Think her name was Nala she had one of the tightest pussys ever. Keegal grip the whole time must have asked doctor for an extra stitch LOL. Finally returned to La Isla at midnight. Instantly took a cute brunette with a nice young juicy fake bum. Round one done. Had a few drinks had to buy a 6 coronas bucket to get a seat. Then found a skinny brunette and took her upstairs. As the night was winding down I made the move and took a cute young blonde with a tight spinner body and asked for her to come to my place.

Here's where the scams begin the guy at the counter said it would be 2,000,000 pesos for take out. I laughed and told the girl to take my number and she could message me later. To come for 1,000,000 for the night. Within five minutes she texted back saying let's go. Paid only 200,000 k for bar exit fee and 800 k to her. She loved taking pictures and videos with the jaHad a great time popping bottled in the jacuzzi she loved the private view of medellin. Had a great time with lots of action all over the condo and some nice long relaxing BBBJ without asking.[/QUOTE]800 K was for an all nighter? How many pops.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2765974]I have a friend who is 29 only 1 tattoo and is looking to make some extra money for Christmas and for the new year. She is a single mom with 2 kids, I have known her for 4 years. She is not a pro, she works in a restaurant kitchen. She asked if I knew how she could make extra money. I thought I would put this out there. PM me for details and I will send a pic and her WA to contact her. She is asking for 250 mil per hour.[/QUOTE]Quoting an hourly rate? Sure to be a rush job. Thanks but no thanks!

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2766054] Friday night went to la Isla got there early and it didn't really get busy until 11:30 at night. Maybe 100 girls at midnight and only 35 at 10:00 pm. Price was 350,000 to go upstairs. Got a bottle of champagne and celebrated. She loved taking pictures and videos with the jaHad a great time popping bottled in the jacuzzi she loved the private view of medellin. Had a great time with lots of action all over the condo and some nice long relaxing BBBJ without asking.[/QUOTE]350 k? What happened to the firm non negotiable price of 300 k? Is that not a thing anymore at la Isla?

I'm staying at a Airbnb apartment building to my surprise just a few minutes walking distance from la Isla, from the pics it looks like it's at the top of a hill, reviews say it has the absolute best view of Medellin, I'm excited.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2766054]Paid only 200,000 k for bar exit fee and 800 k to her. Had a great time with lots of action all over the condo and some nice long relaxing BBBJ without asking.[/QUOTE]Paid only? I would hope that for that much money a lot more would be done without asking. You make it sound like she did you a favor.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2766042]It depends where you choose to loiter.[/QUOTE]LOL I meant to write Loutron.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2765995]You need more experience then. In the jungle that we play (mongering areas) the more tats in majority of cases equates to more sexual partners and trouble with the law. I believe that women with a large lower back tat have almost always been players at the time of the stamp. They may not be years later but at that time lots of sexual partners. Not called Tramp Stamp for nothing. Also, find that the more tats on a guy the more problems he had with the law in his life. Stereotypes are not made but earned. Like do not walk down a dark alley and do not go out late at night flashing wealth. But if you feel like the exceptions are the way to go then I will happily walk around Botero at 1 am while you wear expensive clothes, jewelry, and phone in your hand. 10 meters behind you I will happily watch you practice what you preach not to judge people late at night because nobody is out to get you and see what happens.

Tell what is your experience with the saying / stereotype of "You can take the girl out of the bar but not take the bar out of the girl"? There are exceptions, but The Rule still stands. You seem to want to find all the exceptions lately with your postings and questioning guys with their definitions. WTF? You just bored?[/QUOTE]Most of us aren't paying guys for sex, so we're not running into the problems you seem to be having with tattooed Colombian men. Maybe it's your cologne.

Tattoos are common. There are many women with tattoos who aren't working the streets in El Centro. There are many women with tattoos who aren't part of a criminal gang focused on robbing gringos (from the original question). Obviously Nounce has had sex with tattooed women. Obviously most of those women haven't robbed and killed him. That corresponds with my own experience. I honestly can't remember the last time I was murdered by a woman with tattoos.

Stereotypes are the lazy man's way of explaining his bigotry. They're almost always false.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2766098]800 K was for an all nighter? How many pops.[/QUOTE]For 3 hours. I prefer to sleep alone had another girl coming during the day anyways LOL.

It's a little bit of money but we only live once. The important thing is that you enjoyed it.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2766192]For 3 hours. I prefer to sleep alone had another girl coming during the day anyways LOL.[/QUOTE]

So you are saying the curtains matched the drapes?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2765991]Nothing but stunners.

There were obstacles getting here late Friday. Check Mig broken, Driver did not show, Cambio rates all BS and changing day to day. Bof A Bankcard declined everywhere. LOL Taxi thru the tunnel at 40 km / HR and painting / in tunnel construction (asphyxiating air) but by 8 PM all was well. My go to driver (friend) shows me Lleras and Calle 10 SW's. Actually better quality than I expected and easier access to eye candy, restaurants etc. Then the park used to be.

Then things start to morph into some different reality. Blonde 21 years old at a strip club, 300 COP GUAU. Was wiped out, ate at the outside walk up dinner. (twice) Next day (Saturday) wandering to Santa Fe mall, Cambio rates and cop availability NADA. Used hotel front desk for Cambio. Was a better rate. Went to La Isla. Was sparse at 11 PM but not to disappoint I found a bilingual stunner. Was still tires from the trip and from last nights stunner so got her number and head out to Fase 2, OMG a nearly exact replica of the blonde from the night previously. I thought she was the same girl. I was wrong. Where do these stunning blondes come from? I think they are sisters, I was afraid to ask (Later I will) so we also sessioned, same $300 cop. Plus since it lasted 1. 5 hours (wtf?) I tipped 100 COP Sex was amazing. Body amazing, attitude. Can't believe it..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766060]LOL. And I seriously doubt they would say 250 either. They know that is a lot of damn money, unlike normal hookers that see guys give that amount in tips alone so they assume all foreigners are rich. We all know these new chicks start off at 100,000 and tend to stay as long as you want. Then later in the game they want more money and want it by the hour after enough foreigners have contacted them with offers by the hour because that is how it is done back home.[/QUOTE]Yup. Most definitely not a non pro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766117]Paid only? I would hope that for that much money a lot more would be done without asking. You make it sound like she did you a favor.[/QUOTE]For the best looking girl in La Isla yes. She was very busy the day before with other guys I was satisfied and got her WhatsApp etc now to arrange time on my own. Most important thing is to collect WhatsApp for future trips and day time chilling etc. Far better prices during the day and nice to have someone to relax by the pool with etc.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2765995]... WTF? You just bored?[/QUOTE]Maybe, LOL. The reason is two interesting members stop posting in the past month but i am glad you are still here.

I will reply with detail when I have time and feel like doing it. Below is the clue that I can come up in a short time.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99]I've been invited and participated in many Saturday / Sunday family events...[/QUOTE]If you want to go barrio, you have better be invited. If you want to imitate what he is doing, you also need to have the same condition.

1 mil for 3 hours for a chick in Medellin, that's wild. I wonder what she looked like before all the plastic and money.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2766170]I honestly can't remember the last time I was murdered by a woman with tattoos.

Stereotypes are the lazy man's way of explaining his bigotry. They're almost always false.[/QUOTE]Question to think about. You check into a hotel for one night and there is a set of hot triplet sisters working at the front desk of the hotel. They look the same in face, body, and how they are dressed obviously. You want all of them but just hoping to nail just one. Which one do you think you have the best chance with? The one with zero tattoos? The one with 3 tattoos? Or the one with 7 tattoos?

Please do not answer JjBee62. I know this could simply kill you not to reply because you have this need to comment on everything. But this is simply a thinking exercise for everyone. Doing this to you is mean like teasing a dog with a bone but do try your best to let this tattoo conversation end here.

Has anybody had success using a Wells card to get cash from ATM's?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2766349]Has anybody had success using a Wells card to get cash from ATM's?[/QUOTE]It will work but its going to cost you a foreign transaction fee.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2766339]Question to think about. You check into a hotel for one night and there is a set of hot triplet sisters working at the front desk of the hotel. They look the same in face, body, and how they are dressed obviously. You want all of them but just hoping to nail just one. Which one do you think you have the best chance with? The one with zero tattoos? The one with 3 tattoos? Or the one with 7 tattoos?

Please do not answer JjBee62. I know this could simply kill you not to reply because you have this need to comment on everything. But this is simply a thinking exercise for everyone. Doing this to you is mean like teasing a dog with a bone but do try your best to let this tattoo conversation end here.[/QUOTE]If you want to try a thinking exercise, put some thought into it. Otherwise it falls apart.

1. The chance of meeting 1 person who is a triplet is extremely slim. About 1. 5% of all births are multiple births and 1% of multiple births are triplets or more. Add in young, female, hot and all working at the same place at the same time and you're somewhere in the winning the lottery 3 times probability range.

2. Most hotels don't allow people to work the front desk in micro bikinis. In typical hotel work attire, there's no chance that all of a woman's tattoos will be visible. In reality, each of them might have 20 tattoos, but most, if not all would be covered by clothing.

3. It doesn't matter how many tattoos any woman has if she's not interested. If the 1 with no tattoos (in the fantasy hotel with hot, naked triplets working the desk) is smiling and flirting with me, that's the easy choice. Forget for a second that you'll have no idea how many tattoos each have. Why depend on number of tattoos when it's much easier to just talk to all of them and read their reactions?

How is that mean to me? Did you think asking me not to respond to something ridiculous would have an effect on me?

How to Meet a Beautiful Colombian Woman in Medellin Without Ending Up in a Body Bag. A Very Short Guide for Foreigners.

Dedicated to all foreigners who lost their lives trying to meet Colombian women. In 2022 about 25 and counting. And that's just in Medellin.

The safest way to meet a Colombian woman in Medellin is to meet a "good girl. " Good girls have things going on in their lives, they study and / or work, come from decent families and have morals. They are not "easy. " They are not "party girls. ".

The best ways to meet a good Colombian woman are in real life. In organic environments such as school, work, through friends, through activities or a hobby. There is no lack of activities or events going on all the time in Medellin. And I mean activities besides going out and partying. There is something for everyone. From bicycling to art events to cooking classes.

With a good woman, you need to take your time, show her you're sincere and treat her with respect. You're unlikely to have sex with her on the first date.

Good women are generally not on apps that you're used to such as Tinder. On the contrary, Tinder is very dangerous as there are scopolamine gangs operating on it and looking for new victims.

You're most likely a tourist, staying in Colombia only for a few days, weeks or months and you may respond to this with: "Bro, I don't have time for all this good girl stuff, I just want to get laid bro. ".

OK, fair enough. There is a way to do that too without ending up in a body bag.

Prostitution is legal in Colombia but keep in mind that it's frowned upon. Bragging about your adventures, especially to locals is not the best idea. Be discrete and tactful. Locals do not appreciate foreigners treating Colombia as their brothel and sex tourists are seen in a very bad light. Unless you want to be stereotyped as a sex tourist keep your naughty adventure to yourself and maybe your "bros. ".

Since prostitution is legal in Colombia, there are established business that satisfy this demand. Using these business is SAFE. You will not be robbed or drugged and nothing will happen to you. Why? Because it's in the interest of these businesses to keep their clients safe and they make sure their girls don't mistreat clients.

There are basically two types of organized establishments in Colombia where you can purchase sex. Strip clubs and casas. Strip clubs are just like strip clubs in the USA, except they have rooms where you can take any girl you like. Casas are essentially brothels.

Nothing will happen to you in a strip club or a casa. Some of the most well-known strip clubs are La Isla and Fase Dos. As for casas, they are more lowkey but you can ask any taxi driver and he'd be happy to help you out.

Now, that you know what is safe, let's go over what is NOT safe.

1. Picking up hookers in the street in foreigner-heavy areas such as Park LLeras.

2. Bringing any girl to your place on the first date. Good girls are unlikely to agree and if a girl agrees you're running a substantial risk of her being a really bad girl.

3. Using apps such as Tinder.

4. Picking up girls in bars and clubs in foreigner-heavy areas such as Park Lleras and La 70. If you venture out to middle class or lower class barrios, you can actually do this with virtually no risk because the scopolamine gangs are simply not hunting there.

5. Meeting girls on Facebook, especially in foreigner groups. Yes, they are also being targeted by scopolamine gangs. Definitely avoid girls with revealing photos who randomly added you as a friend.

If you follow this guide, your chance of being scopolamined is very low, even if you choose to pay for sex. I personally recommend putting in the time and effort and discovering the inner beauty of good Colombian women. Their kindness, warmth and many other great qualities.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2766054]Energy living check in to my suite with a full size jacuzzi on the balcony. One of my regular girls I met in Bogot met me here for the weekend and we had a great time during the day. They now have a nice restaurant downstairs to take girls as well. Very guest friendly place full of gringos. Friday night went to la Isla got there early and it didn't really get busy until 11:30 at night. Maybe 100 girls at midnight and only 35 at 10:00 pm. Price was 350,000 to go upstairs. Got a bottle of champagne and celebrated.

Saturday night walked around lleras park with all the construction the hoe train was more spread out onto Calle 10 with the fast food restaurants. Can't believe how slow the construction in the park been like that for a few trips now. Then decided to do the strip club tour. Started at Giselle Barra dance for 10 pm only 10 girls some much older with one young skinny looker showing up at eleven. It's a very small club like hole in the wall thoughts. Next up fase dos at 11 pm they have renovated inside and with new leather chairs etc. About 35 girls inside two were to my liking one was a blonde girl I hooked up with in March at la Isla guess she had switched places. Think her name was Nala she had one of the tightest pussys ever. Keegal grip the whole time must have asked doctor for an extra stitch LOL. Finally returned to La Isla at midnight. Instantly took a cute brunette with a nice young juicy fake bum. Round one done. Had a few drinks had to buy a 6 coronas bucket to get a seat. Then found a skinny brunette and took her upstairs. As the night was winding down I made the move and took a cute young blonde with a tight spinner body and asked for her to come to my place.

Here's where the scams begin the guy at the counter said it would be 2,000,000 pesos for take out. I laughed and told the girl to take my number and she could message me later. To come for 1,000,000 for the night. Within five minutes she texted back saying let's go. Paid only 200,000 k for bar exit fee and 800 k to her. She loved taking pictures and videos with the jaHad a great time popping bottled in the jacuzzi she loved the private view of medellin. Had a great time with lots of action all over the condo and some nice long relaxing BBBJ without asking.[/QUOTE]The definition of a weekend warrior. To each their own. I never pass on info to them, because frankly they don't need it, and I don't like their approach which bends the local landscape the wrong way. I can however highly reccomend Gustos to you, and loutron as well to add to your la Isla bargain basement discount deal. As long as you stick to those areas I think we can all be happy.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2765992]Switching from the laptop to the phone to post a photo. More later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2766235]So you are saying the curtains matched the drapes?[/QUOTE]Took me 15 minutes to decide they were 2 different girls. #2 had a small tattoo. I still am having issues uploading photos. Gr

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2766235]So you are saying the curtains matched the drapes?[/QUOTE]You are correct sir.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2765974]I have a friend who is 29 only 1 tattoo and is looking to make some extra money for Christmas and for the new year. She is a single mom with 2 kids, I have known her for 4 years. She is not a pro, she works in a restaurant kitchen. She asked if I knew how she could make extra money. I thought I would put this out there. PM me for details and I will send a pic and her WA to contact her. She is asking for 250 mil per hour.[/QUOTE]I really want to know how she looks like but the math do not add up. A non pro asking 250 a hour is a lot. I know a lot of 21 year olds that ask twice less her amount about 110 a hour on websites.

But I guess she ask you to look for gringos because in the ends they do not even know they are being overcharged in a developing country.

You know she might earn for her job around 800 k to 1. 2 k per month. If she fucks for between 3-5 hours she got her monthly salary. The chicas are seeing you guys as ATM machines LOL.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2766461]I really want to know how she looks like but the math do not add up. A non pro asking 250 a hour is a lot. I know a lot of 21 year olds that ask twice less her amount about 110 a hour on websites.

But I guess she ask you to look for gringos because in the ends they do not even know they are being overcharged in a developing country.

You know she might earn for her job around 800 k to 1. 2 k per month. If she fucks for between 3-5 hours she got her monthly salary. The chicas are seeing you guys as ATM machines LOL.[/QUOTE]And God bless 'them.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2766349]Has anybody had success using a Wells card to get cash from ATM's?[/QUOTE]No problem getting cash with a WF debit card, albeit WF will charge like $ 5 USD on their end, and whatever the Colombian bank your withdrawing from charges. Colpatria / Scotia charged me 18,500 COP to withdraw 900,000 COP the other day in addition to the $ 5 USD WF charged me. Also no problem with BofA debit cards as well.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2766429] 4. Picking up girls in bars and clubs in foreigner-heavy areas such as Park Lleras and La 70. If you venture out to middle class or lower class barrios, you can actually do this with virtually no risk because the scopolamine gangs are simply not hunting there.

5. Meeting girls on Facebook, especially in foreigner groups. Yes, they are also being targeted by scopolamine gangs. Definitely avoid girls with revealing photos who randomly added you as a friend.

If you follow this guide, your chance of being scopolamined is very low, even if you choose to pay for sex. [/QUOTE]Wait so facebook is not safe?? Why do so many people here recommend it than? Also gustos isn't safe now? I've heard it's expensive but that's precisely why people say it's safe to take a girl from there home with you. At this point I'm just not going to trust anyone's advice on here haha just go with my gut instinct.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2766613]No problem getting cash with a WF debit card, albeit WF will charge like $ 5 USD on their end, and whatever the Colombian bank your withdrawing from charges. Colpatria / Scotia charged me 18,500 COP to withdraw 900,000 COP the other day in addition to the $ 5 USD WF charged me. Also no problem with BofA debit cards as well.[/QUOTE]IMO, the WF debit card is one of the worst debit card I have ever used. I had way too many bad incidents with that card on my travels. Heck, I could not even use it to pump gas on a rental car, outside LAX. When I called them, they said there was some suspicious activities on my card. What a bunch of BS.

I switched to Schwab debit card and I am so glad I did.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2766414]If you want to try a thinking exercise, put some thought into it. Otherwise it falls apart.[/QUOTE]LOL. Talk about overthinking. Way to show why a hypothetical could not be a reality Jj!

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2766349]Has anybody had success using a Wells card to get cash from ATM's?[/QUOTE]Worked fine for me in Colombia several years ago. I recall one evening in Medellin, when it didn't work at any ATM, but I later discerned it was a problem with the banking network as I noticed that locals were having problems too. But, I had no problems the next day. I switched to Chase around 3 years ago, and that worked fine in Colombia and Brazil. I have a Schwab card the and its worked fine for me, most of the time, since arrived in South America at the end of June. Haven't used my Chase card here, its only a my backup, because Schwab will refund the transaction fees. Only used a debit card once in Buenos Aires, the day after I arrived and it worked fine, though the transaction fee was upwards of $9 and $40 equals an awkward pile of cash. Of course you would not to want to withdraw money from an ATM in Argentina or use any debit or credit cards, period, under the current crisis. The way to go down there is to wire money to yourself via Western Union or change HARD FOREIGN CURRENCY "on the street". Otherwise banks, ATMs and legitimate currrency exchanges will only give you the official exchange rate, which is HALF the "blue rate". But, that's another story. The thing you need to realize is that ATMs don't always work, especially in South America.

It's not about your card, in my experience, its about the ATM network and which banks accept your card. Sometimes your card will work when the local guy who uses the same ATM before you walks away in frustration, because it won't process the transaction. During my four months in Brazil, I had to walk away from various ATMs empty handed. Other times in banks with several I had to try to use my card in any other several ATMs that had available (note in Brazil its common for bank branches to have multiple ATM lined up in the lobby) until I found one that worked. The only card I had problems with was my BBT card (now known at Truist) and I could never get cash out of any ATM with that, but it worked well for credit transactions at merchants. And note that in Brazil, only Santander and Bradesco are the only banks whose ATMs will give cash to foreign cards. Then there are private ATMs like the 24 Hour ATMs at the Brazilian grocery stores that work fine with foreign card but add a 15% markup on the transactions. I realize that this is a Colombian thread, but my point here is that in a foreign country, not all local banks will necessarily work with foreign debit cards.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2766267]For the best looking girl in La Isla yes. She was very busy the day before with other guys I was satisfied and got her WhatsApp etc now to arrange time on my own. Most important thing is to collect WhatsApp for future trips and day time chilling etc. Far better prices during the day and nice to have someone to relax by the pool with etc.[/QUOTE]Hehe most here won't understand, most here seem to be cheap centro rats that screw some random ugly chick for a couple of dollars and claim that it's the same quality as in La Isla "just cheaper dress and make-up" LOL. Quality comes at a price. BTW I wouldn't even say the *average* quality in La Isla is that high, there are indeed definitely chicks there you could find at a centro bar. But quite often there are also some real hotties. The problem indeed is, like you said, the real hotties are also of course the busiest, quite often there's a group of high spenders making their area literally rain with money so they're difficult to catch. If you managed to take one of those home, that's awesome.

Elvis, a friend came to visit me in Medellin recently. He mentioned he used Tinder. I told him don't use it here because of robbery. A week later he told me he was robbed by a Tinder date. He was a very experienced traveler as well.

My warning didn't stop him. I probabaly should have known that and gave him more detail about how to safeguard himself but I didn't because he was confident.

Replace the Tinder date with Tussi, you will get similar situation. Why can't this disussion be like the recent Tinder discussion so people are better informed and make better decision? I was waiting for another voice to say this.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2766065]As someone else pointed out, he was not sober much of the time.....[/QUOTE]He made the decision to do it when he was sober. At most you can say is he is not sober when he posts, but not all the time unless you know him and was with him all day.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2766429]...Good women are generally.[/QUOTE]Avoid woman that is not in your age group if you really want to find a non paying good relationship. That is the first sign of red flag. FB is relatively safe if you choose the ones with long posting activity.

I think stay in a building with good security is more important. You have to assume you will never know who you bring back regardless how long you have known the girl. You will have problem if the girl is playing the long game. It is rare but it happens

[QUOTE=Nounce;2766790]Why can't this disussion be like the recent Tinder discussion so people are better informed and make better decision?[/QUOTE]Because mfs are not going to listen. They are going to do what they want anyway. Here in Thailand I was about to fuck a Polish midget. She came over and I realized she had genital warts or something. I warned everyone, but that did not stop guys from trying to fuck her. So informed or not, mfs are still going to take their chances.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2766320]1 mil for 3 hours for a chick in Medellin, that's wild. I wonder what she looked like before all the plastic and money.[/QUOTE]1 mil is around 25 cents. That is wild.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2766812]1 mil is around 25 cents. That is wild.[/QUOTE]Considering he paid 350.000 for a bottle of champagne, she must have felt shortchanged.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2766461]...... I know a lot of 21 year olds that ask twice less her amount about 110 a hour on websites.......[/QUOTE]A poster on an ISG for providers will go like this: "Girl, you only taking 110 an hour? Why you want to spoil it for the rest of us? You should not be taking less than 250".

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2766787]Cheap centro rats that screw some random ugly chick for a couple of dollars and claim that it's the same quality as in La Isla "just cheaper dress and make-up" LOL. Quality comes at a price. the real hotties are also of course the busiest, quite often there's a group of high spenders making their area literally rain with money so they're difficult to catch. If you managed to take one of those home, that's awesome.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by quality - beauty, personality, ability in bed, intelligence? Why do you think these can be found more readily at La Isla?

Causation vs correlation the chicas at La Isla charge a high price bcos it's an expensive club; that's all. It's not the other way round the club doesn't charge you 350.000 for a bottle of champagne bcos the girls charge 800.000 for 3 hours. It's part of the 'high end' club need to create an illusion for their clients that they are getting something extra for their money. It wouldn't work if you paid 350.000 for the champagne, and 30.000 for the girl the illusion would be shattered.

Also, I don't know anyone that fucks 'random ugly girls' that's a delusion to match your illusion. In centro too, the real hotties are the busiest. Yesterday I had to wait 20 minutes for the girl I wanted, So I picked her up after a cup of coffee.

Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

My first post was on 9/01/2021, #48892, some 692 pages ago. While this board has provided some valuable information and I would like to see it stay around, however, the change in the board title would reflect what is actually going on here. The following is my reasoning:

Statistical Percentage Values.

1% Reports (of various quality, and yet an inflated value).

2% Questions.

2% Replies to questions (including 20% of those being snarky RTFF remarks, which is an absolutely insane reply because of the time spent typing the snark could have answered the question, and then later the replier becomes part of the 95% mentioned below).

95% Opinions, arguments (less manly ribbing and seemingly becoming more and more personal), throw away "Yaas Queen!" remarks, waxing philosophical about what a "10" is, waxing philosophical about what the dollar value of pussy is, waxing philosophical about economics (always supply and demand. Basic 101 stuff), complaining about disruptions in the market due to newbies and weekend warriors.

This is what 1-year of data looks like:

Date Range: 9/1/21 - 11/30/22 = 456 days.

Number of Posts during that range: 59270 - 48892 = 10,378 post.

Pages Generated Per Day: 692/456 = 1. 5 pages per day.

Post Frequency: 10378/456 = 22 posts per day.

Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.

Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive, then look the culprit is the frequency of posts and the volume everyone shouts out about how great Medellin is. Yes, the ISG page is probably just a drop in the bucket compared to YouTube -- and dummy YouTubers who are not even making making money from their street videos, just raising lust and awareness -- but the over-communication on the "Reports" forum certainly doesn't help when a YouTuber converts to ISG and sees a literal jerk circle. That convert is going to want whip his junk out and start beating it like mad, too.

Looking forward to the title change so I can at least manage expectations.

Thanks and regards.

LS.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]
Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.
Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.
Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.
[/QUOTE]How do you define what a report is? For me, a report is the provision of information, ergo "I am reporting some information".

For example, in my last post I wrote "In centro too, the real hotties are the busiest. Yesterday I had to wait 20 minutes for the girl I wanted, So I picked her up after a cup of coffee. ".

That is a report of information. Gives folks an idea of how much time they might need to wait for hot chica in Centro.

How did you define and count your reports?

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2766787]Hehe most here won't understand, most here seem to be cheap centro rats that screw some random ugly chick for a couple of dollars and claim that it's the same quality as in La Isla "just cheaper dress and make-up" LOL. Quality comes at a price.[/QUOTE]So what was the difference in quality of the 2 million he was told to pay first and the 1 million he actually paid? Surely he got half the quality that he would have gotten by paying the original price. I admit that I do not understand! Please makenit plain.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2766845] Yesterday I had to wait 20 minutes for the girl I wanted, So I picked her up after a cup of coffee.[/QUOTE]How did you like the taste of a previous guy's dick when you kissed her?

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

Looking forward to the title change so I can at least manage expectations.
[/QUOTE]So responses to reports should not be allowed? If you report paying 150,000 in Barra Ejecutiva, nobody should be allowed to respond saying you were ripped off and that the correct price should have been 80,000? And nobody should be allowed to respond to that and say if you get the chick's whatsapp then she will come on her time off for 100,000 for a couple of hours? And nobody should be allowed to respond to that and say a facebook chick will actually stay all night for 150,000? And nobody should be allowed to respond to that and say they have never seen a facebook chick that would stay that long for that little? Dude this is a discussion board no matter the title of each thread.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2766857]How did you like the taste of a previous guy's dick when you kissed her?[/QUOTE]It was fine. Tasted a little bit like Helllman's Mayonnaise.

I'm fairly resourceful but considering all of the extra attention around safety lately I'll defer to the pros. I'm looking to have a threesome with full lesbo action. What will be the safest and pain free way to do this? I'd be curious on your experiences with this too as well a pricing. Any reliable casas near Estadio?

I'm open to PMs. I'll be in the city soon and for awhile so if anyone wants to link up let me know.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2766667]Wait so facebook is not safe?? Why do so many people here recommend it than? Also gustos isn't safe now? I've heard it's expensive but that's precisely why people say it's safe to take a girl from there home with you. At this point I'm just not going to trust anyone's advice on here haha just go with my gut instinct.[/QUOTE]It depends on you.

I avoid Facebook profiles with no content. I avoid new Facebook profiles. I avoid Facebook profiles which just cycle through a bunch of pictures of 1 girl. Real people have real lives. Their kids have birthdays, they take pictures of their dog, they do things, and those things end up on Facebook.

In any bar, if you're drinking, you are a potential target. Watch for red flags. Colombian women aren't aggressive. They'll walk up to you and smile, maybe say Hello,. You usually need to give them some encouragement to get the discussion started. Women looking for a victim can't wait around and hope. They need to find a target and move on him before someone else catches his eye. They also need you to be drinking. If you're being pressured to drink more, you might be in trouble.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766698]LOL. Talk about overthinking. Way to show why a hypothetical could not be a reality Jj![/QUOTE]Spend 75-80 days underwater with a bunch of nukes and you'll spend a lot of time playing thinking games.

It's funny, because the poster prefers El Centro street girls. When you're walking down the street looking for a girl, who would be making a decision based on the number of tattoos?

And with the hypothetical hot triplets, wouldn't the move be to get them all at the same time? Shit. They all work together, and all 3 are working together to check me in, a 1 person job. Seems it would be easier to take all 3 out for dinner, drinks and dancing, than to cut 1 from the herd.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2766783]Worked fine for me in Colombia several years ago. I recall one evening in Medellin, when it didn't work at any ATM, but I later discerned it was a problem with the banking network as I noticed that locals were having problems too. But, I had no problems the next day. I switched to Chase around 3 years ago, and that worked fine in Colombia and Brazil. I have a Schwab card the and its worked fine for me, most of the time, since arrived in South America at the end of June. Haven't used my Chase card here, its only a my backup, because Schwab will refund the transaction fees. Only used a debit card once in Buenos Aires, the day after I arrived and it worked fine, though the transaction fee was upwards of $9 and $40 equals an awkward pile of cash. Of course you would not to want to withdraw money from an ATM in Argentina or use any debit or credit cards, period, under the current crisis. The way to go down there is to wire money to yourself via Western Union or change HARD FOREIGN CURRENCY "on the street". Otherwise banks, ATMs and legitimate currrency exchanges will only give you the official exchange rate, which is HALF the "blue rate". But, that's another story. The thing you need to realize is that ATMs don't always work, especially in South America.

It's not about your card, in my experience, its about the ATM network and which banks accept your card. Sometimes your card will work when the local guy who uses the same ATM before you walks away in frustration, because it won't process the transaction. During my four months in Brazil, I had to walk away from various ATMs empty handed. Other times in banks with several I had to try to use my card in any other several ATMs that had available (note in Brazil its common for bank branches to have multiple ATM lined up in the lobby) until I found one that worked..[/QUOTE]To add to that, some ATMs have different withdrawal limits depending on your bank card. 2 years ago at the same Davivienda ATM one of my debit cards could only get 400 k, while the other could pull 2 million. This year I could get 2 million with both, but there may be some banks with a lower withdrawal limit.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

My first post was on 9/01/2021, #48892, some 692 pages ago. While this board has provided some valuable information and I would like to see it stay around, however, the change in the board title would reflect what is actually going on here. The following is my reasoning:

Statistical Percentage Values.

1% Reports (of various quality, and yet an inflated value).

2% Questions.

2% Replies to questions (including 20% of those being snarky RTFF remarks, which is an absolutely insane reply because of the time spent typing the snark could have answered the question, and then later the replier becomes part of the 95% mentioned below).

95% Opinions, arguments (less manly ribbing and seemingly becoming more and more personal), throw away "Yaas Queen!" remarks, waxing philosophical about what a "10" is, waxing philosophical about what the dollar value of pussy is, waxing philosophical about economics (always supply and demand. Basic 101 stuff), complaining about disruptions in the market due to newbies and weekend warriors.

This is what 1-year of data looks like:

Date Range: 9/1/21 - 11/30/22 = 456 days.

Number of Posts during that range: 59270 - 48892 = 10,378 post.

Pages Generated Per Day: 692/456 = 1. 5 pages per day.

Post Frequency: 10378/456 = 22 posts per day.

Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.

Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive, then look the culprit is the frequency of posts and the volume everyone shouts out about how great Medellin is. Yes, the ISG page is probably just a drop in the bucket compared to YouTube -- and dummy YouTubers who are not even making making money from their street videos, just raising lust and awareness -- but the over-communication on the "Reports" forum certainly doesn't help when a YouTuber converts to ISG and sees a literal jerk circle. That convert is going to want whip his junk out and start beating it like mad, too.

Looking forward to the title change so I can at least manage expectations.

Thanks and regards.

LS.[/QUOTE]You read through 10,378 posts and classified each one? That shows amazing dedication, or that you just glanced through and took a stab at the statistical analysis. Which? Where's the raw data? What's the exact number of posts which fall into each category? What about your methodology? How did you classify posts which contained reports, questions and opinions? Did you take into account the monthly variation in post frequency for each type of post? Using 14 months skews the results, assuming there are monthly variations.

And the big question:

What category does your faked statistical analysis post fall under?

Not all reports are useful. Some guys write reports as if they're trying to get into Penthouse Letters. How much useful information is to be found in a 300 word description of 1 sexual encounter? Other reports are full of useful information.

Not all opinions are useless. Mongering is like golf. Not all courses charge the same price. Not all greens are in the same condition. Everyone takes a different route to get in the hole, and it takes some more strokes than others. Those opinions are caddies for the new guys. One guy might want to hit over the dogleg, because he's got the distance, while another takes the safe approach down the middle. Without the opinions discussing the different options, there are going to be a lot of guys losing their balls, trying to follow some report.

Most of the helpful information isn't found in the reports. It's found in the answers and the discussions. Much of what ends up here is useless until you take the blinders off. Each of us is building a resume when we post here. The new guys who put in the effort to read the forum, are finding the guys who they find helpful, which gives them an idea how best to handle Medellin.

Just out of curiosity, I looked through your posts. I found a few things of interest. Here's my disclaimer: I didn't read all 52 posts, just scanned through most of them.

1. 8 posts are duplicates (same post in 2 sections).

2. The majority of your posts are questions including 2 posts which weren't identical, but asked similar questions about Loutron and the Mansion.

3. One of your posts really hit home. [B]No further sections needed[/B].

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2730749]No, yet I see the reason why you would want that: to separate out the chat from the hard hitting reporting. But this section is so mature at this point, it can be searched, and often times questions are responded to qu. Ickly. Adding another folder means the reader has to interigating another area, and the writer has to have conversations away from the main thread, and balance attention in numerous places. Plus, how to enforce it? You're bound to have someone drop a nugget in the wrong place.

As noisy as this thread is, it's informative and singular.

This was my TedEx and please subscribe to my YouTube channel.[/QUOTE]4. Another one I find fascinating because of the title. [B]You both could be right. We need more opinions and data[/B].

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2601906]I've seen both types of videos. Ones openly on gimbles, usually in Llares Park; and ones bouncy and hidden in jackets or a shirt somehow are in and around Veracruz. The direct example I gave was the hidden type. Therefore, I'd be concerned that showing a SW a picture of herself and a colleague would come off like I was a blackmailing detective and would send creepy vibes.

My thoughts are a blend of both opinions. If the sexy black girl is there with no sign of sexy Latina, I'll chat her up, partake in her services AND buy the info from her. Win win win. The only way I'd use the picture is if she is trying to help, but doesn't know whom I am talking about. The screenshot would be used only if there's some doubt and I need some reference. That's what I can think of as a plan.

If it fails, I'll have to compensate by having sex with numerous other sexy girls.[/QUOTE]In closing, changing the name from "Reports" to "Opinions" won't change the content and it makes it harder for the new user to find the information they're looking for.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2766845]Also, I don't know anyone that fucks 'random ugly girls' that's a delusion to match your illusion. In centro too, the real hotties are the busiest. Yesterday I had to wait 20 minutes for the girl I wanted, So I picked her up after a cup of coffee.[/QUOTE]Well I just go by the photos posted here, barely ever see a photo of a high end chica pretty much always the type of girl I wouldn't even do for free. To each their own of course. Just saying if you want model quality chicas they're more expensive.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2766667]At this point I'm just not going to trust anyone's advice on here haha just go with my gut instinct.[/QUOTE]Yeah ignore it all because people that post advice on here are becoming millionaires to make sure you do not have fun. I think 22-25 foreigners died this year in Medellin after going with their dick instinct. In the words of are. Kelly: my mind is telling me no, but my dick is telling me yeah. At least it did not lead him to the grave though.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2766889]Colombian women aren't aggressive. They'll walk up to you and smile, maybe say Hello,.[/QUOTE]When and where? In all my years a Colombian chick has never walked up to me and smiled and said a damn thing. All the chicks that I have met that are not hookers, I have approached them and started talking.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive,

LS.[/QUOTE]Spot on, dude! Your assertions are correct. Nothing of interest and nothing new to be noted. That and because after some years of mongering you know what and where to look if you are actually on the ground whereas internet resources are often dated. But, I see you pissed in someone's Cheerios by denouncing their playground.

As for the claim from anyone who says Medellin is getting expensive, I would have to assert that they have never been there in the first place. And I say that because I'm sitting in Medellin right now. I've been here since last Saturday and I'm just amazed how CHEAP everything is. Medellin is definitely cheaper than Bogota, but that shouldn't surprise anyone. But, Colombia overall is a very cheap country, the cheapest on the continent, next to Paraguay.

But, while I'm here I'll do a short TR. I went to New Life on Monday. Its overrated, the girls are nothing special. But, its really cheap. Predictable Colombian brothel with minimal service. No better than the Dominican Republic, a place I never plan to return to. And definitely not on par with the X-houses, in Sanur, Bali. Now that was the best best bang for the buck as far as punting goes. Cute girls, enthusiastic service with low prices, in an exotic place where the local cuisine actually has a lot of flavor (and its cheap). I got a tentative date with a prepago tomorrow. Let's see how that goes.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2766894]Spend 75-80 days underwater with a bunch of nukes and you'll spend a lot of time playing thinking games.[/QUOTE]I did seeing that I was one of the nuke officers aboard SSN-673. But that is not causing me to dissect and analyze hypotheticals for realism, possibility, and probability.

If someone said fuck marry or kill, I am not going to come up with reasons that I would never be able to meet Rihanna and if by really slim chance I did, then she would never want to marry me anyway. Know your audience.

Posted this over in the Tijuana forum, thought I would post it here too. I have done extensive research on both by reading the F'ing forums, but hoping for current opinions if you feel up to it.

For those who have been to both Tijuana and Medellin, would you provide a quick pros and cons of each, things you preferred over the other. For context I am new to the hobby with a few CR trips under my belt, looking to explore more. Thanks for any input.

Cruised El Centro around 4 pm. Amazingly saw "TallMan" as we drove up. What are the odds? He's been gone for months. My 2nd trip to El Centro in 3 years. Was pure entertainment. Asked a few people if they were the criminals. Took photos, saw a few hundred+ god forsaken sad, fat and otherwise totally unattractive WG's. Saw a good knife fight involving maybe 6 girls. A large knife and a baby being tossed around. Go figure. Lots of blood. Lots of police response. Right next to me. We left.

Later I entertained a 32 year old Mom with a new (3 month old) set of tits. Oldest girl I have done in 20 years. Beautiful face, flat stomach, Body was very nice. Found her on an escort site $270 cop plus 50 for BBBJ. Masajistaspaisas there are more there / price varies. Mom was more experienced, took her time and was very GFE. Hung around after cuddling.

My advice to stay safe? Don't go to El Centro without at least 2 extra wingmen and carry a manchette or whooping stick. Don't drink. Stay away from hard drugs. Since no one is listening. So just go out naked wearing a condom.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2766787]... Quality comes at a price. BTW I wouldn't even say the *average* quality in La Isla is that high, there are indeed definitely chicks there you could find at a centro bar. But quite often there are also some real hotties. The problem indeed is, like you said, the real hotties are also of course the busiest, quite often there's a group of high spenders making their area literally rain with money so they're difficult to catch. If you managed to take one of those home, that's awesome.[/QUOTE]That problem is you don't have to pay for what you have described in La Isla. You can just watch without spending the money. All the recent reports indicate CBJ only. You should write a report and tell members how good the service you received.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766803]Because mfs are not going to listen. They are going to do what they want anyway. ....[/QUOTE]That is true like my friend. It's not black and white. Some won't listen but with more information it will be safer for some, not all. The way it is now, the the people with the most knowledge who can share experience are being driven away or suppressed even when they are still on this site.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767015]Cruised El Centro around 4 pm. Amazingly saw "TallMan" as we drove up. What are the odds? He's been gone for months. My 2nd trip to El Centro in 3 years. Was pure entertainment. Asked a few people if they were the criminals. Took photos, saw a few hundred+ god forsaken sad, fat and otherwise totally unattractive WG's. Saw a good knife fight involving maybe 6 girls. A large knife and a baby being tossed around. Go figure. Lots of blood. Lots of police response. Right next to me. We left.

Later I entertained a 32 year old Mom with a new (3 month old) set of tits. Oldest girl I have done in 20 years. Beautiful face, flat stomach, Body was very nice. Found her on an escort site $270 cop plus 50 for BBBJ. Masajistaspaisas there are more there / price varies. Mom was more experienced, took her time and was very GFE. Hung around after cuddling.

My advice to stay safe? Don't go to El Centro without at least 2 extra wingmen and carry a manchette or whooping stick. Don't drink. Stay away from hard drugs. Since no one is listening. So just go out naked wearing a condom.[/QUOTE]For 320 mil, you can't find someone better in El Centro than what you can find online? That is also more than most FB girls that you can get for longer time.

I am not criticizing what you paid, I did that too.

[QUOTE=KeyWestSean;2766872]I'm fairly resourceful but considering all of the extra attention around safety lately I'll defer to the pros. I'm looking to have a threesome with full lesbo action. What will be the safest and pain free way to do this? I'd be curious on your experiences with this too as well a pricing. Any reliable casas near Estadio?

I'm open to PMs. I'll be in the city soon and for awhile so if anyone wants to link up let me know.[/QUOTE]You should expect to pay about the same amount that you would pay for 2 sessions, then negotiate from there. You may get a big discount if the girls are already a couple. It's a fantasy but not always good in real life. In Sao Paulo, it is offered in MPs, it's cheaper for two because the only change one room fee and they run promotions.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

My first post was on 9/01/2021, #48892, some 692 pages ago. While this board has provided some valuable information and I would like to see it stay around, however, the change in the board title would reflect what is actually going on here. The following is my reasoning:

Statistical Percentage Values.

1% Reports (of various quality, and yet an inflated value).

2% Questions.

2% Replies to questions (including 20% of those being snarky RTFF remarks, which is an absolutely insane reply because of the time spent typing the snark could have answered the question, and then later the replier becomes part of the 95% mentioned below).

95% Opinions, arguments (less manly ribbing and seemingly becoming more and more personal), throw away "Yaas Queen!" remarks, waxing philosophical about what a "10" is, waxing philosophical about what the dollar value of pussy is, waxing philosophical about economics (always supply and demand. Basic 101 stuff), complaining about disruptions in the market due to newbies and weekend warriors.

This is what 1-year of data looks like:

Date Range: 9/1/21 - 11/30/22 = 456 days.

Number of Posts during that range: 59270 - 48892 = 10,378 post.

Pages Generated Per Day: 692/456 = 1. 5 pages per day.

Post Frequency: 10378/456 = 22 posts per day.

Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.

Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive, then look the culprit is the frequency of posts and the volume everyone shouts out about how great Medellin is. Yes, the ISG page is probably just a drop in the bucket compared to YouTube -- and dummy YouTubers who are not even making making money from their street videos, just raising lust and awareness -- but the over-communication on the "Reports" forum certainly doesn't help when a YouTuber converts to ISG and sees a literal jerk circle. That convert is going to want whip his junk out and start beating it like mad, too.

Looking forward to the title change so I can at least manage expectations.

Thanks and regards.

LS.[/QUOTE]Interesting opinion.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767015]Cruised El Centro around 4 pm. Saw a good knife fight involving maybe 6 girls. A large knife and a baby being tossed around. Go figure. Lots of blood. Lots of police response. Right next to me. We left.

[/QUOTE]Good story, bro. But, since you were in Medellin yesterday, tell the forum what was going on late last night, citywide. I'm sure the forum will find it interesting from a cultural perspective. Totally confounded me.

[QUOTE=KeyWestSean;2766872]I'm fairly resourceful but considering all of the extra attention around safety lately I'll defer to the pros. I'm looking to have a threesome with full lesbo action. What will be the safest and pain free way to do this? I'd be curious on your experiences with this too as well a pricing. Any reliable casas near Estadio?

I'm open to PMs. I'll be in the city soon and for awhile so if anyone wants to link up let me know.[/QUOTE]Go to a casa like New Life and ask the woman in charge if any of the girls are lesbos.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2767000]Posted this over in the Tijuana forum, thought I would post it here too. I have done extensive research on both by reading the F'ing forums, but hoping for current opinions if you feel up to it.

For those who have been to both Tijuana and Medellin, would you provide a quick pros and cons of each, things you preferred over the other. For context I am new to the hobby with a few CR trips under my belt, looking to explore more. Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]Tijuana is only really worth it if you live off the west coast and can make the drive there. If you have to fly it's really no reason not to go to Colombia. Better women cheaper prices more things to do. You will have fun at both but I will easily take Medellin over Tijuana.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2767078]Tijuana is only really worth it if you live off the west coast and can make the drive there. If you have to fly it's really no reason not to go to Colombia. Better women cheaper prices more things to do. You will have fun at both but I will easily take Medellin over Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Medellin is clearly superior over Tijuana. More attractive women, better performance, cheaper price. The only issue would be that Tijuana is much closer if you live on the West Coast and it is a much longer flight to Colombia. That is a factor but if you are willing to make the flight to Medellin, it is an easy choice.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2766787]Hehe most here won't understand, most here seem to be cheap centro rats that screw some random ugly chick for a couple of dollars and claim that it's the same quality as in La Isla "just cheaper dress and make-up" LOL. Quality comes at a price. BTW I wouldn't even say the *average* quality in La Isla is that high, there are indeed definitely chicks there you could find at a centro bar. But quite often there are also some real hotties. The problem indeed is, like you said, the real hotties are also of course the busiest, quite often there's a group of high spenders making their area literally rain with money so they're difficult to catch. If you managed to take one of those home, that's awesome.[/QUOTE]Quit playing, we all know you are paying 350 k for 5/10 chicas.

I'd love to talk shop, swap stories and buy you a few drinks. Inbox me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766971]When and where? In all my years a Colombian chick has never walked up to me and smiled and said a damn thing. All the chicks that I have met that are not hookers, I have approached them and started talking.[/QUOTE]Where?

[QUOTE][B]In any bar[/B], if you're drinking, you are a potential target. Watch for red flags. Colombian women aren't aggressive. They'll walk up to you and smile, maybe say Hello.[/QUOTE]When?

[QUOTE]
In any bar, [B]if you're drinking[/B], you are a potential target. Watch for red flags. Colombian women aren't aggressive. They'll walk up to you and smile, maybe say Hello.[/QUOTE]Can't do much about women not wanting to smile at you. They smile at me all the time.

The OP specifically mentioned Facebook and Gusto. My response was about Facebook and Gusto (weird how that works). However, I've encountered working girls in several bars (and had them move closer and smile at me. 1 even said "Hello, so it would be irresponsible to suggest that someone is going to be 100% safe from getting drugged and robbed elsewhere.

To make sure you understand, this is all about women who are hookers. Hookers will often do something to get the attention of a potential customer. Along Veracruz some will cluck their tongue, many will smile and a few will try to touch you. Around Parque Lleras they'll often initiate conversation with you. In Gusto they walk around, make eye contact and smile, and if you show interest they'll approach. That's fairly normal Colombian hooker behavior. As some people know it's different from DR hooker behavior. It's probably somewhat different from Thai hooker behavior too. However, the chance of entering a bar in Medellin and encountering several Thai hookers is less than 50-50. By my estimate.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766971]When and where? In all my years a Colombian chick has never walked up to me and smiled and said a damn thing.[/QUOTE]I got to report a strange story from yesterday. I was working in my room in nutibara when in walks this girl / women. I had left the door open to allow some air to cirucalte. She says sry, wrong room. Then she does a dbl take and introduces herself. She is from Cali and here staying w a friend and friends husband. Then after a couple of minutes chit chat she asks if I would like to fuck. I said ok cool. She was oversize for me, but cute face and I went along for the crazy adventure. This morning I saw her at bkfst w her husnand. Haha. So, never say never!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2766973]I did seeing that I was one of the nuke officers aboard SSN-673. But that is not causing me to dissect and analyze hypotheticals for realism, possibility, and probability.

If someone said fuck marry or kill, I am not going to come up with reasons that I would never be able to meet Rihanna and if by really slim chance I did, then she would never want to marry me anyway. Know your audience.[/QUOTE]Which div?

Nuke officer? Really? Then you didn't play a lot of thinking games, or stay submerged for 75-80 day stretches. Just the difference between officer and enlisted (and the difference between SSN and SSBN).

We had some good officers and we had some who were best suited for the TDU. You could always spot the ones who didn't have to pass the HGR interview process. Walking TDU weights, every one.

Put your khaki thinking hat on for a second. If you have the attention span, the discussion started with someone asking about the correlation between tattoos and women who are criminals targeting gringos. The person who came up with the hypothetical in question has made claims about tattoos, women, men, sexual experience and promiscuity. He created a ridiculous scenario to "prove" his allegations. Still following along?

I'm old enough to remember when any woman with a tattoo was definitely a bad girl. I'm also aware that all that changed 30 years ago or more. Now the kindergarten teacher at a Baptist school probably has a tattoo. Unless you're still living in 1993, you can't assume that a visible tattoo means a woman is a prostitute, **** or criminal. And whether or not she has tattoos, or how many, has no bearing on whether or not she will fuck you. Without question, the number of tattoos is not as important as whether or not she's interested in you (if she's not a hooker).

"Fuck, Marry, Kill" is a kids game. Why are you playing it? Surely you're old enough to realize that it's just "Fuck or Pass. " Telling people who you'd like to fuck is a harmless pastime. Telling people that if a girl has tattoos she's ready to fuck you is not only ridiculous, it's potentially dangerous if anyone is gullible enough to believe such garbage.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767066]Good story, bro. But, since you were in Medellin yesterday, tell the forum what was going on late last night, citywide. I'm sure the forum will find it interesting from a cultural perspective. Totally confounded me.[/QUOTE]I wasn't in Medellin last night and I can tell you. Fireworks. Everywhere. Until probably 3 am. Happens every year on the night of November 30. It's the kickoff to the Christmas season.

And today, 1 million Colombians are looking for their dogs that freaked out and ran away.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767066]G...tell the forum what was going on late last night, citywide....[/QUOTE]Mucha polvora all night long. It broke my streak. The chica was too scare to come out. LOL.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2767114]I got to report a strange story from yesterday. I was working in my room in nutibara when in walks this girl / women. I had left the door open to allow some air to cirucalte. She says sry, wrong room. Then she does a dbl take and introduces herself. She is from Cali and here staying w a friend and friends husband. Then after a couple of minutes chit chat she asks if I would like to fuck. I said ok cool. She was oversize for me, but cute face and I went along for the crazy adventure. This morning I saw her at bkfst w her husnand. Haha. So, never say never![/QUOTE]That is a good one!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2767128]Mucha polvora all night long....The chica was too scare to come out. LOL.[/QUOTE]She must be a good. Hehe.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

My first post was on 9/01/2021, #48892, some 692 pages ago. While this board has provided some valuable information and I would like to see it stay around, however, the change in the board title would reflect what is actually going on here. The following is my reasoning:

Statistical Percentage Values.

1% Reports (of various quality, and yet an inflated value).

2% Questions.

2% Replies to questions (including 20% of those being snarky RTFF remarks, which is an absolutely insane reply because of the time spent typing the snark could have answered the question, and then later the replier becomes part of the 95% mentioned below).

95% Opinions, arguments (less manly ribbing and seemingly becoming more and more personal), throw away "Yaas Queen!" remarks, waxing philosophical about what a "10" is, waxing philosophical about what the dollar value of pussy is, waxing philosophical about economics (always supply and demand. Basic 101 stuff), complaining about disruptions in the market due to newbies and weekend warriors.

This is what 1-year of data looks like:

Date Range: 9/1/21 - 11/30/22 = 456 days.

Number of Posts during that range: 59270 - 48892 = 10,378 post.

Pages Generated Per Day: 692/456 = 1. 5 pages per day.

Post Frequency: 10378/456 = 22 posts per day.

Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.

Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive, then look the culprit is the frequency of posts and the volume everyone shouts out about how great Medellin is. Yes, the ISG page is probably just a drop in the bucket compared to YouTube -- and dummy YouTubers who are not even making making money from their street videos, just raising lust and awareness -- but the over-communication on the "Reports" forum certainly doesn't help when a YouTuber converts to ISG and sees a literal jerk circle. That convert is going to want whip his junk out and start beating it like mad, too.

Looking forward to the title change so I can at least manage expectations.

Thanks and regards.

LS.[/QUOTE]I concur. Makes good sense unless your snarky LOL.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2767000]Posted this over in the Tijuana forum, thought I would post it here too. I have done extensive research on both by reading the F'ing forums, but hoping for current opinions if you feel up to it.

For those who have been to both Tijuana and Medellin, would you provide a quick pros and cons of each, things you preferred over the other. For context I am new to the hobby with a few CR trips under my belt, looking to explore more. Thanks for any input.[/QUOTE]These two destinations are often compared. I can safely say I'm a veteran of both. I've made 10 trips to Medellin and far more time in Tijuana. My opinion: I wouldn't compare the two. To me, they are very different. Personally, I prefer Medellin but that's simply a style opinion. I love Tijuana too, just for different reasons. In short, going to Hong Kong and other bars in Tijuana is a must. It is unique in my experiences. Sheer volume is amazing. Cost wise, it's not even close. Your money will go much further in Colombia. For me, I've had some great success with GFE in MDE. I prefer longer dates, getting to know the girl and GFE. I find Mexicans to be more efficient. I've had some amazing experiences in Tijuana. Some of the best in my life. But as a percentage of sessions, MDE experiences are more commonly great. I'd also say I find the paisas more attractive than Mexicans, generally speaking. But that is obviously subjective.

The other difference, to me, is Medellin has probably just as many options as Tijuana. But they are spread out over a very large city. Whereas in Tijuana, the majority (but certainly not all) of the options are all within a couple city blocks. Dangerously convenient.

Read the forums. But in my opinion, decide what you are looking for and that will help you decide. Pm me if you have any specific questions.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2767129]That is a good one![/QUOTE]She must be a bit of a dog. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2767039]For 320 mil, you can't find someone better in El Centro than what you can find online? That is also more than most FB girls that you can get for longer time.

I am not criticizing what you paid, I did that too.[/QUOTE]Nope they were god awful ugly and it turned into a stabbing incident. So doubt I will go back for another 3 years. I know plenty of guys that will. Not me. If I spend all day there I guess it's possible to find one. No one wants 300 cop (do they?) there. Prices is not the issue. Had no interest in what was offered even if they paid me. I found a less expensive option than Calle 10 SW's who I don't trust much. Online. I am happy with that so far.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2767120]I wasn't in Medellin last night and I can tell you. Fireworks. Everywhere. Until probably 3 am. Happens every year on the night of November 30. It's the kickoff to the Christmas season.

And today, 1 million Colombians are looking for their dogs that freaked out and ran away.[/QUOTE]It was spectacular all over the city. I have photos from my balcony. Crazy Colombian fun.

Yes and lots of Colombian children looking for their hands and fingers that got blown off and skin that got burned.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2767120]I wasn't in Medellin last night and I can tell you. Fireworks. Everywhere. Until probably 3 am. Happens every year on the night of November 30. It's the kickoff to the Christmas season.

And today, 1 million Colombians are looking for their dogs that freaked out and ran away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2767155]These two destinations are often compared. I can safely say I'm a veteran of both. I've made 10 trips to Medellin and far more time in Tijuana. My opinion: I wouldn't compare the two. To me, they are very different. Personally, I prefer Medellin but that's simply a style opinion. I love Tijuana too, just for different reasons. In short, going to Hong Kong and other bars in Tijuana is a must. It is unique in my experiences. Sheer volume is amazing. Cost wise, it's not even close. Your money will go much further in Colombia. For me, I've had some great success with GFE in MDE. I prefer longer dates, getting to know the girl and GFE. I find Mexicans to be more efficient. I've had some amazing experiences in Tijuana. Some of the best in my life. But as a percentage of sessions, MDE experiences are more commonly great. I'd also say I find the paisas more attractive than Mexicans, generally speaking. But that is obviously subjective.

The other difference, to me, is Medellin has probably just as many options as Tijuana. But they are spread out over a very large city. Whereas in Tijuana, the majority (but certainly not all) of the options are all within a couple city blocks. Dangerously convenient.

Read the forums. But in my opinion, decide what you are looking for and that will help you decide. Pm me if you have any specific questions.[/QUOTE]Thank you Dcrist and the others who replied!

I'll try Tijuana at some point, its not going anywhere. Medellin is next on my list. Trying to improve my Spanish but its going slow.

[QUOTE=KeyWestSean;2766872]I'm fairly resourceful but considering all of the extra attention around safety lately I'll defer to the pros. I'm looking to have a threesome with full lesbo action. What will be the safest and pain free way to do this? I'd be curious on your experiences with this too as well a pricing. [/QUOTE]I too would like some in sight if this is easily achievable in Medellin, since where I'm staying and most places have a 2 person rule, I'm also not trying to get scoped so I'm curious if threesomes are available at casas? Specifically mansion or loutron since more people mention it. Might as well take advantage of the cheaper rates. Having a chick suck / lick your balls while another chick rides you is really nice I highly recommend it if you haven't done so already LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2766889]It depends on you.

I avoid Facebook profiles with no content. I avoid new Facebook profiles. I avoid Facebook profiles which just cycle through a bunch of pictures of 1 girl. Real people have real lives. Their kids have birthdays, they take pictures of their dog, they do things, and those things end up on Facebook..[/QUOTE]That's true I been watching their stories, some post, some don't, when I'm a week or 2 away I'll start contacting them. For now I'll just study their activity and narrow it down to the best options.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2767114]I got to report a strange story from yesterday. I was working in my room in nutibara when in walks this girl / women. I had left the door open to allow some air to cirucalte. She says sry, wrong room. Then she does a dbl take and introduces herself. She is from Cali and here staying w a friend and friends husband. Then after a couple of minutes chit chat she asks if I would like to fuck. I said ok cool. She was oversize for me, but cute face and I went along for the crazy adventure. This morning I saw her at bkfst w her husnand. Haha. So, never say never![/QUOTE]You old dog!! Never passing up some P* !

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767015]Cruised El Centro around 4 pm. Amazingly saw "TallMan" as we drove up. What are the odds? He's been gone for months. My 2nd trip to El Centro in 3 years. Was pure entertainment. Asked a few people if they were the criminals. Took photos, saw a few hundred+ god forsaken sad, fat and otherwise totally unattractive WG's. Saw a good knife fight involving maybe 6 girls. A large knife and a baby being tossed around. Go figure. Lots of blood. Lots of police response. Right next to me. We left.

Later I entertained a 32 year old Mom with a new (3 month old) set of tits. Oldest girl I have done in 20 years. Beautiful face, flat stomach, Body was very nice. Found her on an escort site $270 cop plus 50 for BBBJ. Masajistaspaisas there are more there / price varies. Mom was more experienced, took her time and was very GFE. Hung around after cuddling.

My advice to stay safe? Don't go to El Centro without at least 2 extra wingmen and carry a manchette or whooping stick. Don't drink. Stay away from hard drugs. Since no one is listening. So just go out naked wearing a condom.[/QUOTE]I always enjoy the free entertainment that El Centro provides, never know what you are going to see.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767015]Cruised El Centro around 4 pm. Amazingly saw "TallMan" as we drove up. What are the odds? He's been gone for months. My 2nd trip to El Centro in 3 years. Was pure entertainment. Asked a few people if they were the criminals. Took photos, saw a few hundred+ god forsaken sad, fat and otherwise totally unattractive WG's. Saw a good knife fight involving maybe 6 girls. A large knife and a baby being tossed around. Go figure. Lots of blood. Lots of police response. Right next to me. We left.

Later I entertained a 32 year old Mom with a new (3 month old) set of tits. Oldest girl I have done in 20 years. Beautiful face, flat stomach, Body was very nice. Found her on an escort site $270 cop plus 50 for BBBJ. Masajistaspaisas there are more there / price varies. Mom was more experienced, took her time and was very GFE. Hung around after cuddling.

My advice to stay safe? Don't go to El Centro without at least 2 extra wingmen and carry a manchette or whooping stick. Don't drink. Stay away from hard drugs. Since no one is listening. So just go out naked wearing a condom.[/QUOTE]Love you DonCarlos, lots of fun, yes what a surprise as I am standing in the vera enjoying an ice cream with some puta amigas when I hear "hey Tall Man". So good to see you and catch up on what you been doing since the last time we partied a number of years ago at the clubs in Poblado (eg La Isla & Fase II).

And you did not mention in your post about us standing and talking and checking out the chicas at ground zero in Botero and not more that 25 feet away a full on knife attack goes down right in front of us, looks like 2 young putas slashing at each other, par for the course right!

Like you say "Entertainment" and both free and never ending in el centro!

It was quickly over with and the one chica had her arms slashed up, the applied a presure cloth as they ran to a taxi to get stitched up at the clinic. Just another day in el centro.

Enjoy the rest of your visit my friend!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2767215]Yes and lots of Colombian children looking for their hands and fingers that got blown off and skin that got burned.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was going to mention the annual pilgrimage to the Urgencia to celebrate fireworks related injuries.

"What do you want for Christmas little boy?

"More fingers. ".

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767187]Nope they were god awful ugly and it turned into a stabbing incident. So doubt I will go back for another 3 years. I know plenty of guys that will. Not me. If I spend all day there I guess it's possible to find one. No one wants 300 cop (do they?) there. Prices is not the issue. Had no interest in what was offered even if they paid me. I found a less expensive option than Calle 10 SW's who I don't trust much. Online. I am happy with that so far.[/QUOTE]This is the rare honest post. I would add Don though that you found someone to your liking at a Santa Fe club when we went to Bogota. Granted, Santa Fe has its issues but I always felt like safety issues there were over exaggerated and I always could find something I liked. And what did you pay for the woman at the Santa Fe club? $25?

So like me, you are a man willing to pay for quality and it ain't in El Centro so do not worry Medellin price police, we are not jacking up the prices you pay for your skanks. And if you want this best bang for your pleasure $, quit being lazy and blaming others and head to Bogota. Of course, the few quality girls in El Centro, the very few, will look to move up and demand more money. That is the market in action and bitching about that is just stupid.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

My first post was on 9/01/2021, #48892, some 692 pages ago. While this board has provided some valuable information and I would like to see it stay around, however, the change in the board title would reflect what is actually going on here. The following is my reasoning:

Statistical Percentage Values.

1% Reports (of various quality, and yet an inflated value).

2% Questions.

2% Replies to questions (including 20% of those being snarky RTFF remarks, which is an absolutely insane reply because of the time spent typing the snark could have answered the question, and then later the replier becomes part of the 95% mentioned below).

95% Opinions, arguments (less manly ribbing and seemingly becoming more and more personal), throw away "Yaas Queen!" remarks, waxing philosophical about what a "10" is, waxing philosophical about what the dollar value of pussy is, waxing philosophical about economics (always supply and demand. Basic 101 stuff), complaining about disruptions in the market due to newbies and weekend warriors.

This is what 1-year of data looks like:

Date Range: 9/1/21 - 11/30/22 = 456 days.

Number of Posts during that range: 59270 - 48892 = 10,378 post.

Pages Generated Per Day: 692/456 = 1. 5 pages per day.

Post Frequency: 10378/456 = 22 posts per day.

Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.

Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive, then look the culprit is the frequency of posts and the volume everyone shouts out about how great Medellin is. Yes, the ISG page is probably just a drop in the bucket compared to YouTube -- and dummy YouTubers who are not even making making money from their street videos, just raising lust and awareness -- but the over-communication on the "Reports" forum certainly doesn't help when a YouTuber converts to ISG and sees a literal jerk circle. That convert is going to want whip his junk out and start beating it like mad, too.[/QUOTE]I read your report LS, and you make it sound like you gave a great review when all you did was rehash the La Isla scene. Medellin has its street walkers, casas, on line escorts / Facebook, strip clubs, and sugar baby sites like many other cities. A valid criticism, unlike what you gave, is to actually list the women who gave you the guy poor or great service. I am not sure why guys do not do that here, but they do not and as such, you are going to see nothing but the discussions you talked about.

If you said, here is a picture of Jennifer and she works at La Isla and she is a great fuck I paid 350 k for then you would have provided useful and new information. All you did was give a generic description of La Isla that was not helpful to anyone who has been there or really anyone who would go. All your material had been previously covered.

The real issue with the forum then is not sharing the looks, pics, and performance of women. If you are banging something ugly on the cheap, you are not going to want to show how ugly she is. If she is hot and cheap, you are afraid she will be taken from you. If you are paying a lot, you are afraid you will be roasted for the amount you pay. That is what the problem is, and as long as guys hide that information, the discussions and arguments that have been present will be the same ones you see in the future.

I first went to Medellin like 20 years ago, and outside of a new club here or there, the scene now is pretty much the same as it was. So if we did things your way, all you would see is 20 years of descriptions of the same old place again and again, and I am not sure how useful that really would be.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2767250]I too would like some in sight if this is easily achievable in Medellin, since where I'm staying and most places have a 2 person rule, I'm also not trying to get scoped so I'm curious if threesomes are available at casas? Specifically mansion or loutron since more people mention it. Might as well take advantage of the cheaper rates. Having a chick suck / lick your balls while another chick rides you is really nice I highly recommend it if you haven't done so already LOL.[/QUOTE]Trios, as they are called in Medellin are pretty easy to come by (too easy, as some of the girls drugging and robbing gringos use the "let me bring my friend" angle to improve the odds of achieving their goal). However, a Colombian trio is usually not the threesome most guys are expecting. Here's my guide.

The common Colombian trio is basically a tag team wrestling match. While 1 girl is in bed with you the other is on her phone. After a decent interval, they will switch. Often the spectator girl will use the distraction to acquire things: Airpods, cash, or other small valuable items.

It's important to avoid suggested trios from any girl you don't know. Not only is there a risk of robbery, there's a good chance you won't be pleased with the experience (my first one left me pissed off and it took 2 more to have a good one).

It's possible to have a trio at a casa, but it's probably going to be underwhelming. In my opinion, if you're starting from scratch, Facebook is the best option for setting up a true threesome (for those wanting girl on girl) or a winning trio (for those wanting 2 girls pleasing them). However, you can fulfill this desire from other sources, if you follow some guidelines.

1. Session solo with different girls until you find a winner. If you have the time, do it twice. If she performs at or above your standards, question her about other girls. She almost certainly has friends.

2. Bring up the trio. If she's interested ask her to pick a girl and show you what she looks like. Assuming the girl looks good, discuss what you expect. Be very specific. If not you might get 2 girls hugging naked instead of 2 girls locked in 69. Discuss the price.

3. While she's there have her confirm the details with the other girl. Try to read into the replies. Is the girl just agreeing, or is she sending a bunch of heart emojis? Does she seem hesitant, or excited?

4. Set up the date and time.

You might have to go through a few girls before you get to step 4. At that point you have a chance to get what you want.

5. Meet the girls away from your apartment. Meeting for lunch is a good idea. This is a chance to screen the second girl. Does she look like you expected? How is her mood? If you decide she's not going to work, it's better to handle it outside of your place. It's a good idea to discuss this possibility in step 2.

6. Time to go to your room. Before you left to meet them, you should have put everything of value in a safe place. Personally, unless you're staying in an upscale apartment, I'd load them into a taxi and head to Motel Ibiza. You'll have a jacuzzi that fits 3, a shower that fits 3 (call the desk for extra towels), drinks, music, a stripper pole and everything you need to make some memories, and all your stuff is safely locked away in your room. Plus you don't have to worry about noise.

7. Set the tone. Put the phones down. Have one of them get some music going. Neither of them should have their phone until it's over. If they want to take pictures, use your phone. Call the desk to turn on the water for the jacuzzi, adjust the temperature, add bubble bath (in the refrigerator) and get the party started.

8. If you chose wisely and covered everything in the discussion phase, you might be able to get by with minimal direction. However, I've found that being in control works better than just letting it happen.

From there it's all up to you. One precaution. Put your clothes where they'll stay dry and won't be within reach of the action. I've found having 2 girls in a jacuzzi tends to get messy.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2767250]I too would like some in sight if this is easily achievable in Medellin, since where I'm staying and most places have a 2 person rule,


I'm also not trying to get scoped so I'm curious if threesomes are available at casas?.[/QUOTE]No problem at all. Its a regular request.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2767217]Thank you Dcrist and the others who replied!

I'll try Tijuana at some point, its not going anywhere. Medellin is next on my list. Trying to improve my Spanish but its going slow.[/QUOTE]I went to Tijuana once because I happen to be in San Diego. It was a good time but I wouldn't travel all the way from the east coast just to go to it.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2767392]I went to Tijuana once because I happen to be in San Diego. It was a good time but I wouldn't travel all the way from the east coast just to go to it.[/QUOTE]
"tru' dat"

I think the generally accepted options are Schwab card and facebook girls. Nothing else exists in Colombia based on much of what I read on this website.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767187]Nope they were god awful ugly and it turned into a stabbing incident. So doubt I will go back for another 3 years. I know plenty of guys that will. Not me. If I spend all day there I guess it's possible to find one. No one wants 300 cop (do they?) there. Prices is not the issue. Had no interest in what was offered even if they paid me. I found a less expensive option than Calle 10 SW's who I don't trust much. Online. I am happy with that so far.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2766846]Hello ISG Admin.

Can I put in a request to change the name of the board from "Medellin Reports" to "Medellin Opinions". It is pedantic, but accurate.

My first post was on 9/01/2021, #48892, some 692 pages ago. While this board has provided some valuable information and I would like to see it stay around, however, the change in the board title would reflect what is actually going on here. The following is my reasoning:

Statistical Percentage Values.

1% Reports (of various quality, and yet an inflated value).

2% Questions.

2% Replies to questions (including 20% of those being snarky RTFF remarks, which is an absolutely insane reply because of the time spent typing the snark could have answered the question, and then later the replier becomes part of the 95% mentioned below).

95% Opinions, arguments (less manly ribbing and seemingly becoming more and more personal), throw away "Yaas Queen!" remarks, waxing philosophical about what a "10" is, waxing philosophical about what the dollar value of pussy is, waxing philosophical about economics (always supply and demand. Basic 101 stuff), complaining about disruptions in the market due to newbies and weekend warriors.

This is what 1-year of data looks like:

Date Range: 9/1/21 - 11/30/22 = 456 days.

Number of Posts during that range: 59270 - 48892 = 10,378 post.

Pages Generated Per Day: 692/456 = 1. 5 pages per day.

Post Frequency: 10378/456 = 22 posts per day.

Report Frequency: 22*1% = 1 report post 5 per day.

Frequency of a Report: 5/1. 5 = Once every 3. 333 days.

Conclusion: Talk about a bunch of noise and static to find a scrap of value.

And. If the people complaining about Medellin becoming more popular and more expensive, then look the culprit is the frequency of posts and the volume everyone shouts out about how great Medellin is. Yes, the ISG page is probably just a drop in the bucket compared to YouTube -- and dummy YouTubers who are not even making making money from their street videos, just raising lust and awareness -- but the over-communication on the "Reports" forum certainly doesn't help when a YouTuber converts to ISG and sees a literal jerk circle. That convert is going to want whip his junk out and start beating it like mad, too.

Looking forward to the title change so I can at least manage expectations.

Thanks and regards.

LS.[/QUOTE]Wow! You have a lot of time in your hands Litmus.

Why not analyze the full set of data from inception and not just last 1 year.

That would be interesting.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2767383]No problem at all. Its a regular request.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Looks like I'll have to check out loutron since that seems to get everyone's vote for casa with the best looking girls.

The Minister of Health today announced she will probably enact a requirement that masks be worn in closed or open spaces that are "crowded. " Some examples cited were public transportation, senior citizen and other health care facilities, and entertainment events. The Minister cited growing cases of coronavirus and the traditional year end flu season. No specific date has been announced. Unconfirmed media reports indicate it would begin within two weeks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2767444]The Minister of Health today announced she will probably enact a requirement that masks be worn in closed or open spaces that are "crowded. " Some examples cited were public transportation, senior citizen and other health care facilities, and entertainment events. The Minister cited growing cases of coronavirus and the traditional year end flu season. No specific date has been announced. Unconfirmed media reports indicate it would begin within two weeks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.elpais.com.co/colombia/uso-del-tapabocas-volvera-a-ser-obligatorio-en-ante-aumento-de-contagios-por-covid.html[/URL]

Open spaces too. So, fuck them. Will travel where there is no such nonsense.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2767444]The Minister of Health today announced she will probably enact a requirement that masks be worn in closed or open spaces that are "crowded. " No specific date has been announced. [/QUOTE]So we did not learn the first time that masks can not stop anything. And we learned that we should wait until more people get sick before trying to do anything.

First, I am new to this board. Recently went to MDE for first time. I was on the DR board for years and Sosua was my main spot, with visits to the DR. Most reports under an old screenname though as I forgot password and was off board for awhile.

Anyway, thanks to all who have shared info. As so much was useful to me. To those complaining about the board, it was FAR worse for months leading up to my trip.

I didn't even bother posting or asking any questions. I dared not steal the thunder of Ost. And a few others. But he was far and away the worst. Endless diatribes about his conquests and girl #1, 2, 3, 4 and so on. And the pics. It was so pathetic and I have never seen (or thankfully met) a more insecure vapid human being. The thought of him ever telling me to RTFF, after reading his useless cry for help dribble for so long, was more than I could stomach, so I didn't even bother.

But thank you to all who have added useful info. It helped me with an enjoyable trip. I will write up details this weekend to pay it forward and maybe help others.

First time in Medellin (and Colombia) coming up. While I am partial to spas / clubs with privados, see lots of talk about IG / FB was wondering what keywords / groups / Whatsapp groups to look for to do some chica mining.

Also if any fellow ISGers in MDE Dec 8 (9) -14 lmk, DM is open (just purged almost 100 old messages so its open open).

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2767485]While I am partial to spas / clubs with privados, see lots of talk about IG / FB was wondering what keywords to look for to do some chica mining.
[/QUOTE]Try these keyword searches in facebook -.
Alejandra.
Stefani.
Paola.
Medellin.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767188]It was spectacular all over the city. I have photos from my balcony. Crazy Colombian fun.[/QUOTE]I was kinda shocked, did not expect it. The paisa lying next to me said she was reluctant in joining me this week because of it. She was right, no way to sleep until about 4:30 am in Laureles. I didn't know about this event in the early morning of Dec 1 each year. Didn't help that the yappy chihuahua in the next door's Airbnb owner wouldn't stop screeching. I love dogs but.

So I'm in MDE for the first time 2 days now and its been raining a lot. Raining chicas that is. The weather has been great. My whatsapp has been blowing up, I can't even keep them all straight. Had one each of my 2 nights. Women in this town are gorgeous. Got dates set for tonight and tomorrow with new ones. Using FB and SA.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2767547]Try these keyword searches in facebook -.
Alejandra.
Stefani.
Paola.
Medellin.[/QUOTE]Thanks, my first stab a few days ago I was trying words like Soltera Vecinas end up spinning my wheels getting nowhere.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2767590]Thanks, my first stab a few days ago I was trying words like Soltera Vecinas end up spinning my wheels getting nowhere.[/QUOTE]He's joking. I think.

Go to the Links to Reports of Distinction thread and search for Facebook. All the information is there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2767454]So we did not learn the first time that masks can not stop anything. And we learned that we should wait until more people get sick before trying to do anything.[/QUOTE]Source: "Trust me bro".

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767461]First, I am new to this board. Recently went to MDE for first time. I was on the DR board for years and Sosua was my main spot, with visits to the DR. Most reports under an old screenname though as I forgot password and was off board for awhile.

Anyway, thanks to all who have shared info. As so much was useful to me. To those complaining about the board, it was FAR worse for months leading up to my trip.

I didn't even bother posting or asking any questions. I dared not steal the thunder of Ost. And a few others. But he was far and away the worst. Endless diatribes about his conquests and girl #1, 2, 3, 4 and so on. And the pics. It was so pathetic and I have never seen (or thankfully met) a more insecure vapid human being. The thought of him ever telling me to RTFF, after reading his useless cry for help dribble for so long, was more than I could stomach, so I didn't even bother.

But thank you to all who have added useful info. It helped me with an enjoyable trip. I will write up details this weekend to pay it forward and maybe help others.[/QUOTE]Glad you had a good time, Sosua isn't the move anymore.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2767587]So I'm in MDE for the first time 2 days now and its been raining a lot. Raining chicas that is. The weather has been great. My whatsapp has been blowing up, I can't even keep them all straight. Had one each of my 2 nights. Women in this town are gorgeous. Got dates set for tonight and tomorrow with new ones. Using FB and SA.[/QUOTE]Damn save some for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2767587]So I'm in MDE for the first time 2 days now and its been raining a lot. Raining chicas that is. The weather has been great. My whatsapp has been blowing up, I can't even keep them all straight. Had one each of my 2 nights. Women in this town are gorgeous. Got dates set for tonight and tomorrow with new ones. Using FB and SA.[/QUOTE]I have a little bit more experience than you with two completed trips. On my first trip, it was good but some flakes but on my second trip, learning from my mistakes, it was great. I only saw Facebook girls and I had a great time with more young attractive girls available than I could see. The issue I have is that girls that I chatted with but did not see were not happy about it. On my next trip to Medellin, I will be more discreet about telling girls that I am in town.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2767608]Glad you had a good time, Sosua isn't the move anymore.

Damn save some for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Don't worry there's plenty for everybody.

[QUOTE=Questner;2767453][URL]https://www.elpais.com.co/colombia/uso-del-tapabocas-volvera-a-ser-obligatorio-en-ante-aumento-de-contagios-por-covid.html[/URL]

Open spaces too. So, fuck them. Will travel where there is no such nonsense.[/QUOTE]I walk quite at a lot at a beautiful park. It is all woods and sometimes there is no other people walking there. Many times I see people walking alone and they are wearing a mask.

I have talked about scared rabbits in MDE These people take the cake.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2767622]I walk quite at a lot at a beautiful park. It is all woods and sometimes there is no other people walking there. Many times I see people walking alone and they are wearing a mask.

I have talked about scared rabbits in MDE These people take the cake.[/QUOTE]It makes them feel safer. Everyone does similar things. Mongers carry cheap phones, some won't leave Parque Lleras. People lock their doors, even in the daytime. I remember seeing a guy carrying a gun at a laundromat. Everyone has their security blankets, some are just more obvious than others.

If wearing a cheap mask makes someone feel secure enough to get out and do things, that's a good thing.

Something more useful would be information about any places currently requiring masks, or the possibility of any return to pico and cedula restrictions. I probably won't be using any public transportation, unless we head up to Parque Arvi, but if restrictions go back up I'll need to plan excursions.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2767622]I walk quite at a lot at a beautiful park. It is all woods and sometimes there is no other people walking there. Many times I see people walking alone and they are wearing a mask.

I have talked about scared rabbits in MDE These people take the cake.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the possibility of infection from a corona virus while walking outside, in the sun is probably very low; however, you don't know what is going on: they could be immunocompromised, they could have horribly disfigured lips, maybe they just didn't feel like putting on lipstick -- the fact is, you don't know. (and more importantly, why do you care?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2767128]Mucha polvora all night long. It broke my streak. The chica was too scare to come out. LOL.[/QUOTE]Funny that I should ask that question in a response to a post from DonCarlos1234 and you responded to it. Kid, are you getting your screen names confused?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2767250]I too would like some in sight if this is easily achievable in Medellin, since where I'm staying and most places have a 2 person rule, I'm also not trying to get scoped so I'm curious if threesomes are available at casas? Specifically mansion or loutron since more people mention it. Might as well take advantage of the cheaper rates. Having a chick suck / lick your balls while another chick rides you is really nice I highly recommend it if you haven't done so already LOL.[/QUOTE]If you have already done it, why are you asking the forum if it can be done? Regardless of where you are at, if you can pay for it, then it can happen.

BTW, that scenario of a girl licking your crouch while another rides your cock is difficult or impossible physically. That said, I suggest you stop imagining sex to be like you see it in porn films. Having been in a few sandwiches with Brasileiras, it's more fun than anything you might imagine experiencing after watching porn. But, the physical positioning of all the parties involved has it limitations. Anyways, I would suggest you start by having sex with one ordinary girl, and work your way up from there, before you delve into the pay-for-play hobby.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2767622]I walk quite at a lot at a beautiful park. It is all woods and sometimes there is no other people walking there. Many times I see people walking alone and they are wearing a mask.[/QUOTE]Is this a park in Medellin your referring to, and if so, which park and where?

So true on why do you care? I have an idea, if you don't like It , don't go to Medellin. This way everyone is happy.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2767637]Yeah, the possibility of infection from a corona virus while walking outside, in the sun is probably very low; however, you don't know what is going on: they could be immunocompromised, they could have horribly disfigured lips, maybe they just didn't feel like putting on lipstick -- the fact is, you don't know. (and more importantly, why do you care?[/QUOTE].

Please do.

[QUOTE=Questner;2767453][URL]https://www.elpais.com.co/colombia/uso-del-tapabocas-volvera-a-ser-obligatorio-en-ante-aumento-de-contagios-por-covid.html[/URL]

Open spaces too. So, fuck them. Will travel where there is no such nonsense.[/QUOTE].

As I recently posted, here's the report I promised. Quick background, first time to MDE. Been to the Su many times in past and a few other places. I'm going to try to write this with newbies in mind and hopefully it is useful and maybe even interesting to vets. I will preface it by saying, I got very useful info on this site. But damn had to sift through 100's of pages and 6 months worth to get some of my basic questions answered. I dare not post and ask fir a little help, as seems anyone who does is told to RTFF. Thar's a shame. I get it about the guys asking a million questions. But I just wanted basics, girl friendly hotels, what to watch out for at airport and other scamd, best areas, where and how the casas work. Anyway, here goes. I'll focus on everything else here, and the girls in another post.

I went for a full week, weekend to weekend. I was supposed to gave a wingman but he bailed, no. Problem fot me. Based on board input I considered Poblado (Hotel M or otherwise), El Centro, and Laureles.

I crossed off staying in El Centro as a first timer for obvious reasons. I liked how Poblado sounded wirh more gringos and a target rich nice area. But wanting something different from the Su and over-commercialization of our little hobby, I chose Laureles. Not only did I want to avoid the constant hussle and poor service in the Su now, I also didn't like the thought of being a target just by being in Poblado.

I stayed at Hotel Dorado la 70 in Laureles. I really liked it there. I knew from the board it is not a target rich area, but is nice, close to El Centro, safe and anything you need in walking distance. I saw a few gringo tourists, but it is mainly an upscale (by Colombia standards) local community. I felt very safe walking around even at night, although I did not venture farby foot. Everything can be found in 4 or 5 blocks on that main street right in front of hotel. It is very vibrant with open restaurants, clubs and bars, street vendors, etc. It goes late night. It is noisy but walls are pretty sound proofed. I recommend a room with balcony up high, is what I got. Great views of city and region and street below.

Standard free breakfast was fine. It is chica friendly, no upcharge. I did not have many girls there, but the two facebook girls I had come over wasno problem. I met them out front as they arrived and they were checked in at front desk with a copy made of cedula.

Free breakfast was fine, nothing special but fine. A few tips for anyone that wants to stay there. I only know basic spanish. But if you stay here, make sure you write down address. Ots a bog hotel, but when I told cabbies the name, often they had no clue, even in the area of Laureles from a casa I visited. Either my accent was so poor or they know it by different name. Pick up a few cards at front desk and carry with you. There is a walk in Davida bank to left very close but I saw no ATM. To the right and across street is an outside, but walk in door by yourself ATM that was my go to. Felt very safe there. No idea about exchange rates and I used Wells debit card so I think $5 charge on home end each of two times I used. Exchange rate? Don't know, don't care. If I lost $10 I'm not wasting any time over it.

Food, I found the food there incredibly bland. I know there are an amazing number of fruits and maybe on a longer or future trip I will try more. But being a less Gringo area, most restaurants served local fare. I tried the national dush and several other common ones. They were all bland no seasoning. One fried fish dish was awful. A nice restaurant and they brought me an english version of menu. I kept pointing at fishes I recognized and he just kept nodding no, and pointing at a fish that I googled was the most popular off the coast. It was awful. All bones and poorly prepared.

It took my stomach several days to adjust to food and I am not sure I ever did. One night I found a cheap little hole in the wall place on a side street that served monster greasy burgers (and dogs), and fries. I have never felt so good or better after eating super bad for you, low quality, greasy off the restaurant fry station skillet. It was heaven.

I also got food poisoning that really hit bad my last day and on my day of travel. Traveler's diarrhea the CDC sote sats. Very common over there as poor sanitary conditions in restaurants and food often not properly kept.

Okay, enough of that. I'll get into more of the fun and better stuff on a second, maybe third report. I really had a great time and can't wait to go back. The women are unreal and beautiful and just freaks in a good way. I knew that before going. Which is why I went.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2767622]I walk quite at a lot at a beautiful park. It is all woods and sometimes there is no other people walking there. Many times I see people walking alone and they are wearing a mask.

I have talked about scared rabbits in MDE These people take the cake.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.elpais.com.co/cali/lo-que-dicen-los-expertos-sobre-volver-al-uso-obligatorio-del-tapabocas-en-colombia.html[/URL]

For now it's limited to medical and senior care facilities and public transport. Everyone with clear mind gets it, that it would be extremely inconvenient to ask every street girl you fancy to lift her face mask to take a peek.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2767651]Please do.

.[/QUOTE]Relax. May I suggest a good movie to you? Here you go, 'Sundown' 2021 with Tim Roth.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2767217]Thank you Dcrist and the others who replied!

I'll try Tijuana at some point, its not going anywhere. Medellin is next on my list. Trying to improve my Spanish but its going slow.[/QUOTE]You don't need Spanish but it helps.

Tijuana and Baja have 100's of nice restaurants that are flooded with SoCal visitors every weekend. The girls are $100/ for 30 min +/- and the SW's are 1/2 of that. The best looking girls from all over Mexico travel to work there. If you are closer to Colombia. Go there! Flights are not always cheap but some are. ($400-600) depends on where you live. You can also meet a ton of Colombian girls in Cancun or CDMX. They cost more than the MX girls and they are very hot. Guys who live in San Diego are totally spoiled. Perfect weather and within an hour drive of HKTJ. I lived on the ocean in Baja nearby. Now if I can only set up a business to be in Medellin all summer every year. I'm working on it. On my 6th trip here. Coming back in March. Can't get enough and I am not talking about the women.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767652]I also got food poisoning that really hit bad my last day and on my day of travel. Traveler's diarrhea the CDC sote sats. Very common over there as poor sanitary conditions in restaurants and food often not properly kept.[/QUOTE]It is not necessarily food poisoning or poor sanitary conditions, but could happen anywhere your gut is not used to the local bacteria. Go to your local CVS or drug store and buy probiotic off the shelf to keep in your toiletry bag for such cases. You will be fine in no time.

The first time I had it was from Brazil. I waited 6 weeks before going to the doctor. I had lost like 30 pounds. She told me to go get the probiotic and I was fixed up in 1 day. That must have been 05 or 06 and have had it 4 or 5 times since then, but realize what I am dealing with and can take the capsules right away. The more you know.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767677]Tijuana and Baja have 100's of nice restaurants that are flooded with SoCal visitors every weekend. The girls are $100/ for 30 min +/- and the SW's are 1/2 of that. [/QUOTE]Are you joking right now? I have always paid 200-300 Mexican pesos for Tijuana street walkers. Right now that is $10-$15, not half of $100. A pro tip is do not pay in dollars. A chick is going to tell you $20. You say I only have pesos. She is then going to say 200 pesos, which only equals $10. It does not work that way in the clubs though They use the right exchange rate.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2767677]You don't need Spanish but it helps.

Tijuana and Baja have 100's of nice restaurants that are flooded with SoCal visitors every weekend. The girls are $100/ for 30 min +/- and the SW's are 1/2 of that. The best looking girls from all over Mexico travel to work there. If you are closer to Colombia. Go there! Flights are not always cheap but some are. ($400-600) depends on where you live. You can also meet a ton of Colombian girls in Cancun or CDMX. They cost more than the MX girls and they are very hot. Guys who live in San Diego are totally spoiled. Perfect weather and within an hour drive of HKTJ. I lived on the ocean in Baja nearby. Now if I can only set up a business to be in Medellin all summer every year. I'm working on it. On my 6th trip here. Coming back in March. Can't get enough and I am not talking about the women.[/QUOTE]I have Sentri and live 20 min away from Tijuana border. There was a time span of 2 years I had a weekend fuck pad in Playas Tijuana and was down there often having HK girls off the clock. For the mongers that have only known Tijuana / HK I would say its more of a ignorance is bliss. When I went to Medellin 8 yrs ago and Sao Paulo just recently I just realized there is much more out there. The girls in Brazil and Colombia/ Medellin are cheaper, hotter, better GFE, better vibes attitudes. Both Colombian and Brazilian female culture / mindset seems to be more open towards American / Foreigners for dating (civie scene) but just my 2 cents. Brazilians out the 3, would make better girlfriend long term relationship material they seem to be the least materialistic. (caveat I would keep them in their home country of course)
If he were to go to HK / Tijuana once in his whole life, he wouldn't be missing much.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767652]It took my stomach several days to adjust to food and I am not sure I ever did. One night I found a cheap little hole in the wall place on a side street that served monster greasy burgers (and dogs), and fries. I have never felt so good or better after eating super bad for you, low quality, greasy off the restaurant fry station skillet. It was heaven.

I also got food poisoning that really hit bad my last day and on my day of travel. Traveler's diarrhea the CDC sote sats. Very common over there as poor sanitary conditions in restaurants and food often not properly kept.[/QUOTE]I would recommend anyone traveling to poorer countries to bring chewable Pepto Bismol tablets. I was dealing with stomach issues before I even arrived in Colombia and those things saved me from wasting my first two days.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767645]If you have already done it, why are you asking the forum if it can be done? Regardless of where you are at, if you can pay for it, then it can happen.

BTW, that scenario of a girl licking your crouch while another rides your cock is difficult or impossible physically. That said, I suggest you stop imagining sex to be like you see it in porn films. Having been in a few sandwiches with Brasileiras, it's more fun than anything you might imagine experiencing after watching porn. But, the physical positioning of all the parties involved has it limitations. Anyways, I would suggest you start by having sex with one ordinary girl, and work your way up from there, before you delve into the pay-for-play hobby.[/QUOTE]1. Because I'll be visiting medellíand for the first time next month.

2. Because I'm new here and I haven't been to the casas in medellíand to know if threesomes are available and no one has reported it recently.

& 3. Because most airbnbs and hotels in medellíand only allow 2 people per room.

I thought this forum is intended for intel not criticism. Oh and I suppose if you're a fat fuck it can be difficult to achieve those positions, it wasn't a issue for me.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767641]Funny that I should ask that question in a response to a post from DonCarlos1234 and you responded to it. Kid, are you getting your screen names confused?[/QUOTE]Hey Esz: I am getting this message: Eszpresszo has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767652].... But if you stay here, make sure you write down address. Ots a bog hotel, but when I told cabbies the name, often they had no clue, ....[/QUOTE]You can tell the taxi the name of the nearest metro station [B]Estadio[/B], that should work or try [B]la 70[/B].

I think you have mostly daily menu dishes. That fish probably is Tilapia which is very common. The place near you to try their local dish is Mondongo. The soups have more flavor. If you want healthy food, you will like Saludpan. You need to go to first park (Primer Parque) or second park (2 do parque) to get better restauratns, and cafes.

It is still a target rich area. The recently reported death was with the tinder girl on La 70.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2767689]I have Sentri and live 20 min away from Tijuana border. There was a time span of 2 years I had a weekend fuck pad in Playas Tijuana and was down there often having HK girls off the clock. For the mongers that have only known Tijuana / HK I would say its more of a ignorance is bliss. When I went to Medellin 8 yrs ago and Sao Paulo just recently I just realized there is much more out there. The girls in Brazil and Colombia/ Medellin are cheaper, hotter, better GFE, better vibes attitudes. Both Colombian and Brazilian female culture / mindset seems to be more open towards American / Foreigners for dating (civie scene) but just my 2 cents. Brazilians out the 3, would make better girlfriend long term relationship material they seem to be the least materialistic. (caveat I would keep them in their home country of course)
If he were to go to HK / Tijuana once in his whole life, he wouldn't be missing much.[/QUOTE]No doubt about what your explaining is true, I abandoned Tijuana over ten years ago for Medellin. What's interesting though is that 15-20 years ago, Tijuana was the total bomb compared to how it is now. And 15-20 years ago Colombia was not visited much by foreigners, so putting things in perspective, Medellin / Colombia was not a mongering venue while Tijuana was years ago. Today comparing the two Cities it's like night and day, because Colombia has only been on the mongering world scene for a much shorter time than many other Countries around the World.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2767751]

I thought this forum is intended for intel not criticism. Oh and I suppose if you're a fat fuck it can be difficult to achieve those positions, it wasn't a issue for me.[/QUOTE]It is actually.

P.S., the guy criticizing you is the only poster I have on my ignore list after many years on this site.

That probably says something.
A serial criticizer, blowhard, lol.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2767647]Is this a park in Medellin your referring to, and if so, which park and where?[/QUOTE]A park in NJ. I'm just amazed at silly this has become. .

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2767751]...& 3. Because most airbnbs and hotels in medelland only allow 2 people per room.....[/QUOTE]It depends on the size of the place you get. You can still go to love motel that were discussed recently.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2767799]It is actually.

P.S., the guy criticizing you is the only poster I have on my ignore list after many years on this site.

That probably says something.
A serial criticizer, blowhard, lol.[/QUOTE]The last thing this thread needed is another sexually frustrated miserable troll only here to start arguments. Makes me not want to write a report.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767461]First, I am new to this board. Recently went to MDE for first time. I was on the DR board for years and Sosua was my main spot, with visits to the DR. Most reports under an old screenname though as I forgot password and was off board for awhile.

Anyway, thanks to all who have shared info. As so much was useful to me. To those complaining about the board, it was FAR worse for months leading up to my trip.

I didn't even bother posting or asking any questions. I dared not steal the thunder of Ost. And a few others. But he was far and away the worst. Endless diatribes about his conquests and girl #1, 2, 3, 4 and so on. And the pics. It was so pathetic and I have never seen (or thankfully met) a more insecure vapid human being. The thought of him ever telling me to RTFF, after reading his useless cry for help dribble for so long, was more than I could stomach, so I didn't even bother.

But thank you to all who have added useful info. It helped me with an enjoyable trip. I will write up details this weekend to pay it forward and maybe help others.[/QUOTE]If you happen to smoke cigars, the Colombian stock is no comparison in quality to DR sticks. Will be interested in your report when it is ready.

Should be down there in in a few months again but bringing a ExGF who wants to look into plastic surgeons, she likes strip clubs but don't think she would fancy the Centro ones.

Can you bring a women into Fase II?

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2767690]I would recommend anyone traveling to poorer countries to bring chewable Pepto Bismol tablets. I was dealing with stomach issues before I even arrived in Colombia and those things saved me from wasting my first two days.[/QUOTE]This is sound advice if you have a weak stomach. The peptp coats your insides and protects you before a meal. Prior to a trip I also bring Diomax, altitude sickness, and a few tabs Zithromax antibiotics.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2767802]A park in NJ. I'm just amazed at silly this has become. .[/QUOTE]Oh! Oh! Pick me! I know the answer to this one. Just be careful of the bigger parks like Natural Cerro El Volador and La Asomadera (in New Jersey). I hate I always have to be alert and not relax. Can not listen to music on my headphones. When I was heading up to hike there was a guy looking for victims towards the entrance. 20 meters up was a buddy of his. I walked less than 50 meters and kept looking back so they knew I knew what they were doing. There could have been guys. They do not hang out in groups until it is too late. Seen how it works at Botero with 4 of them about 10 meters apart so it looks safe like it would be one on one but is not. I did see a cop one day with his dog who surprised me by coming up the back way that I had come which was more like a horse trail.

Funny you mentioned Medellin in the next sentence but it was missed. I just mentioned 2 parks and Botero which are in Medellin but still there will be someone who will ask about New Jersey since we both mentioned in our dry humor.

You can buy bismuth subsalicylate in any pharmacy here.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2767870]This is sound advice if you have a weak stomach. The peptp coats your insides and protects you before a meal. Prior to a trip I also bring Diomax, altitude sickness, and a few tabs Zithromax antibiotics.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2767622]I walk quite at a lot at a beautiful park. It is all woods and sometimes there is no other people walking there. Many times I see people walking alone and they are wearing a mask.

I have talked about scared rabbits in MDE These people take the cake.[/QUOTE]People just don't know that outdoors is safe. Mask use might make sense at times in indoor or crowded places, but many people just wear them if they have been advised to. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm pleased most of your trip went well. To avoid the gastrointestinal woes and unfulfilling bland dishes next time just stay away from Colombian food. I disagree with the member who recommended Mondogos as some sort of better alternative. In my opinion it is more of the same. I agree with the member who recommended the restaurants near the Laureles parks and Avenida Nutibara. You can also find some more interesting choices in Provenza. The dining scene on La 70 is so basic that other than Mondongs you don't even find branches of the local chains like Crepes and Waffles, El COrral, or La Pampa Parilla. None of those are especially good but you don't have to worry about getting food poisoning.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767652]As I recently posted, here's the report I promised. Quick background, first time to MDE. Been to the Su many times in past and a few other places. I'm going to try to write this with newbies in mind and hopefully it is useful and maybe even interesting to vets. I will preface it by saying, I got very useful info on this site. But damn had to sift through 100's of pages and 6 months worth to get some of my basic questions answered. I dare not post and ask fir a little help, as seems anyone who does is told to RTFF. Thar's a shame. I get it about the guys asking a million questions. But I just wanted basics, girl friendly hotels, what to watch out for at airport and other scamd, best areas, where and how the casas work. Anyway, here goes. I'll focus on everything else here, and the girls in another post.

I went for a full week, weekend to weekend. I was supposed to gave a wingman but he bailed, no. Problem fot me. Based on board input I considered Poblado (Hotel M or otherwise), El Centro, and Laureles.

I crossed off staying in El Centro as a first timer for obvious reasons. I liked how Poblado sounded wirh more gringos and a target rich nice area. But wanting something different from the Su and over-commercialization of our little hobby, I chose Laureles. Not only did I want to avoid the constant hussle and poor service in the Su now, I also didn't like the thought of being a target just by being in Poblado.

I stayed at Hotel Dorado la 70 in Laureles. I really liked it there. I knew from the board it is not a target rich area, but is nice, close to El Centro, safe and anything you need in walking distance. I saw a few gringo tourists, but it is mainly an upscale (by Colombia standards) local community. I felt very safe walking around even at night, although I did not venture farby foot. Everything can be found in 4 or 5 blocks on that main street right in front of hotel. It is very vibrant with open restaurants, clubs and bars, street vendors, etc. It goes late night. It is noisy but walls are pretty sound proofed. I recommend a room with balcony up high, is what I got. Great views of city and region and street below.

Standard free breakfast was fine. It is chica friendly, no upcharge. I did not have many girls there, but the two facebook girls I had come over wasno problem. I met them out front as they arrived and they were checked in at front desk with a copy made of cedula.

Free breakfast was fine, nothing special but fine. A few tips for anyone that wants to stay there. I only know basic spanish. But if you stay here, make sure you write down address. Ots a bog hotel, but when I told cabbies the name, often they had no clue, even in the area of Laureles from a casa I visited. Either my accent was so poor or they know it by different name. Pick up a few cards at front desk and carry with you. There is a walk in Davida bank to left very close but I saw no ATM. To the right and across street is an outside, but walk in door by yourself ATM that was my go to. Felt very safe there. No idea about exchange rates and I used Wells debit card so I think $5 charge on home end each of two times I used. Exchange rate? Don't know, don't care. If I lost $10 I'm not wasting any time over it.

Food, I found the food there incredibly bland. I know there are an amazing number of fruits and maybe on a longer or future trip I will try more. But being a less Gringo area, most restaurants served local fare. I tried the national dush and several other common ones. They were all bland no seasoning. One fried fish dish was awful. A nice restaurant and they brought me an english version of menu. I kept pointing at fishes I recognized and he just kept nodding no, and pointing at a fish that I googled was the most popular off the coast. It was awful. All bones and poorly prepared.

It took my stomach several days to adjust to food and I am not sure I ever did. One night I found a cheap little hole in the wall place on a side street that served monster greasy burgers (and dogs), and fries. I have never felt so good or better after eating super bad for you, low quality, greasy off the restaurant fry station skillet. It was heaven.

I also got food poisoning that really hit bad my last day and on my day of travel. Traveler's diarrhea the CDC sote sats. Very common over there as poor sanitary conditions in restaurants and food often not properly kept.

Okay, enough of that. I'll get into more of the fun and better stuff on a second, maybe third report. I really had a great time and can't wait to go back. The women are unreal and beautiful and just freaks in a good way. I knew that before going. Which is why I went.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2767865]Should be down there in in a few months again but bringing a ExGF who wants to look into plastic surgeons, she likes strip clubs but don't think she would fancy the Centro ones.

Can you bring a women into Fase II?[/QUOTE]Yes. You'll probably have to pay the cover charge.

[QUOTE=Bill;2767841]If you happen to smoke cigars, the Colombian stock is no comparison in quality to DR sticks. Will be interested in your report when it is ready.[/QUOTE]The shop in Poblado (is it on Calle 11?) doesn't have anything worthwhile? I don't smoke, but I've been a few times with cigar smokers who seemed pleased with the place.

My gut tells me if LOS Angeles County backs out of its tentative plan to resume an indoor mask mandate then Colombia will not proceed with resuming mask mandates here. My reasoning is L. A. Country is the only highly populated location in the Americas to propose a new mandate. The history of coronavirus in Colombia is the government follows the lead of other countries.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2767865]Should be down there in in a few months again but bringing a ExGF who wants to look into plastic surgeons, she likes strip clubs but don't think she would fancy the Centro ones. Can you bring a women into Fase II?[/QUOTE]Not my idea of a night on the town, but, yes, I've seen guys bring lady friends into Fase II. I would imagine that doing the same would pose no problem at La Isla as well.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2767894]People just don't know that outdoors is safe. Mask use might make sense at times in indoor or crowded places, but many people just wear them if they have been advised to. Nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE]I was walking around in a mask in El Centro long after the majority had taken them off.

As long as I'm not the only one masked, I liked the anonymity of a mask. I ran into an expat that warned me about another person I was talking to, how he liked to talk to mongers and shoot hidden camera video of people and out them online. Do I think it's going to happen to me? Probably not. Do I need my face plastered on any of the thousands of walking videos of El Centro? Again, probably not.

That all said, I'm a big fan of you do as the locals do. Don't stand out and don't make a scene. If that means wearing a mask, I'll wear a mask. If that means going without, I'll go without. I don't need to attract any attention or second looks.

We have gone through 4 pages of stuff now other than actual report of an experience with a girl. I actually like the reports of a monger's experience with a girl in bed because it gives you an idea of what you can expect in Medellin. I will now post an actual mini report of a girl I met on my last trip. For those who prefer debates about minor things in Medellin, you should skip this post.

Una Noche en Medellin with Stephanie on my last trip.

The long and winding road to seeing her.

She was one of my early FB friends and I said Hello, in July, she said Hello, and that was it and I never followed up.

Then in September, she said Hello, and we engaged in some small talk but I didn't see her on my first trip.

In October, she messaged me again and we engaged in some small talk but I didn't pursue it.

A week before my last trip, she messaged me again to say Hello, sent some pictures and said she wanted to meet me. I said it is possible depending on how much. She laughed and said 250 mil plus taxi. I countered with my standard opening offer, 200 mil, 2 hours and sex without a condom. I always throw it out there but each part is negotiable and bareback is not essential but the opening offer is accepted, I take a girl very seriously. She said yes, and so I put her higher on my list of girls to see.

The problem was that I was booked up and it did not look as if I had any time for her. Still she was 22 years, attractive, slim and willing to take the standard offer so I tried hard to fit her on the schedule but time was ticking and I was already in the last stage of my trip.

Finally, I had a cancellation and an opening for her on this particular day. I arranged for her to arrive at night and she arrived within 15 minutes of the scheduled time. For Colombian girls, that is unusual.

When she arrived, I liked what I saw. She was just like her pictures, attractive and slim. She was also very friendly.

She has the type of body that I liked, slim and petite. I can also appreciate a curvy body but that slim petite look is my type. We chatted for a bit and then she stripped down and I took some pictures. Then I asked her to lie down on the bed on her stomach and I would give her a massage. I did my usual massage thing in the nude and my cock was hard and right against her pussy. Usually I like to finish the massage but this time, she reached down and eased my cock into her pussy. Who am I to turn down that offer? So, we started in that position with her on her stomach. It was a great feeling to thrust my cock into her pussy as she laid on the bed on her stomach. I like that position and I came close to finishing but held back.

Then I had her turn over and straddled her face and put my cock in her mouth. She put her lips around my cock as I moved in and out of her mouth. She was doing a good job of taking most of it in. Then I moved her into a 69 position so that I would eat her pussy as she sucked my cock. Her cocksucking skills were good.

After some time, I had her in doggy and enjoyed sliding my cock in her pussy from behind for a while. I slapped that ass from time to time. I like the view from that position.

Finally, I switched to missionary and decided that I would finish up in that position. After getting a nice rhythm, I picked up the speed and reached that point of no return. Very nice indeed.

Stephanie is a keeper. Young, attractive and good in bed. Can't beat that combination. The only bad was that as soon as I finished, she got into the shower and got dressed and was ready to go. I checked my watch and it was 1 hour and 20 minutes and not 2 hours as she agreed to. Was it a big deal to me? On principle, yes, but I am an older man and one shot is all I have to give so it did not take away from the sex time, just chatting time.

I am not insistent on 2 hours. I just ask for 2 hours so that I am not rushed during the sex and it will be more than one hour. I got that from Stephanie so I am happy. She never rushed me and let me have my way. Can't complain about that.

She is a good example of why men come to Colombia despite the risks. I definitely will be coming back to Colombia.

Oh the problems I face living in Colombia for many years. I need to stock up on larger sized condoms, oh the horrors of those cheap ass condoms they hand out at the love motels, has anyone seen where you can purchase Magnum XL condoms in either Medellin or Bogota?

Thanks in advance.

The Tall Man (and wide too, hehehe).

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2767899]I'm pleased most of your trip went well. To avoid the gastrointestinal woes and unfulfilling bland dishes next time just stay away from Colombian food. I disagree with the member who recommended Mondogos as some sort of better alternative. In my opinion it is more of the same. I agree with the member who recommended the restaurants near the Laureles parks and Avenida Nutibara. You can also find some more interesting choices in Provenza. The dining scene on La 70 is so basic that other than Mondongs you don't even find branches of the local chains like Crepes and Waffles, El COrral, or La Pampa Parilla. None of those are especially good but you don't have to worry about getting food poisoning.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you are talking about my post. My Mondongo suggestion is based on nearby location and specific Colombian food. As for the chain stores you mentioned, you can find most of them in Unicentro which is nearby also.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2768045]We have gone through 4 pages of stuff now other than actual report of an experience with a girl. I will now post a report of a girl i met on my last trip.[/QUOTE]All I can say is, thank FK we don't have them more frequently.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2767821]The last thing this thread needed is another sexually frustrated miserable troll only here to start arguments. Makes me not want to write a report.[/QUOTE]The "ignore" feature works great!

It's been awhile since I've actually posted, but I feel like I should help steer this thread back on track with useful information and not all this useless garbage that now litters this thread.

It's been a long time since I've mongered in Medellin, probably three to five years before the pandemic. I had very fond memories of this place and after a long return I've noticed some good changes, but probably mostly bad changes. El Poblado, and in particular the Parque Lleras area is just aweful. The park is under construction, and the restaurants in that area seem to be kind of dead. Looks like everything has moved to the Provenza area which was a pretty cool place to eat and hang out. That area seems to be touristy and more family friendly compared to the Parque Lleras area. This past Sunday night I thought I would gather some intel and walk around the area to understand how much things has changed. Maybe things are better on a Thursday to Saturday, but the area seemed to be busy enough on this Sunday.

First up are the SW girls. The girls seem to be spread out around Calle 10 from about Carrera 40 to about Carrera 37. Around 10-11 PM I would estimate there were a total of 20-30 girls. My personal taste are spinners (like an Eva Longoria back in her Desperate Housewives days), and I saw maybe 4-5 that fit my criteria. A couple of them were 6's, a couple more were 7's, and one was a solid 8. My general cutoff is a 7, but I could do a 6 if there was nothing better around. I didn't session with a single one, but I did chat with all of them to know what was on the menu and the price. First I talked to the 8, and while the plan was to just gather intel only, if the price and service was good I would have taken us both to a chica friendly hotel and done her then and there. The girl was very pretty, with a nice slim figure, and a beautiful face. She was asking for $300 k, which in my mind I was thinking it was a little high for a street walker, but she didn't look like an over used $50 k SW so maybe she was worth it depending on her service. I asked what was on the menu, and sad to report it was just basic SW service with covered everything. For $300 k I expect GFE, CFS, BBBJ, and DFK. So fair, she can charge whatever she feels she is worth and she was IMO the best of the bunch on Calle 10 in terms of looks, but maybe the less pretty spinners would charge something that is a little more reasonable for a SW. To make a long story short, nope they did not. Seems like the going rate for a spinner is $300 k, and the service they were offering was also just basic.

So in regards to SW things are definitely not as good as what they use to be. I remember back in the days it was maybe $150 k on the streets and $300 k in Gusto. Looks like those days are gone, and quite frankly I don't think this is all inflation's fault. A big reason for this huge price increase with a decrease in service has to do with more and more Gringo's coming here. El Poblado always had a lot of gringos, but now there are so many. Over tourism has definitely turned this place into something worse. Cab drivers don't seem to want to turn on their meters instead quoting you double or triple the actual fare price, you get propositioned by some random guys every block or so for not so legal stuff, and you have obnoxious tourists every where acting like they own the place. I wouldn't want to ever come back to the Parque Lleras area for mongering anymore. Maybe just for some people watching and maybe eat in the Provenza area, but for mongering I'm crossing this place off my list of places in the world to go to.

I've also used Photoprepagos a few times in Medellin and the experiences were pretty good living up to what I expected. Did the girls look like their pictures? More or less, they look like 10's in the photos, but in actuality when I met them they are maybe 6's to 7's. I'm hoping to strike gold with one that looks exactly like her pictures. In regards to prices it seems much more reasonable. Most girls asking about $100-$200 k per hour. Most of them also offer GFE for that price with some up charging for BBBJ (seems to be around an extra $80-100 k). If you have similar tastes as me, feel free to PM me for more specific info on the girls themselves. I don't feel like sharing that type of info on this thread, because quite frankly too many people here screws it up for the rest of us.

Well that's all for now. I'll try out the local SW action in other areas and see how they compare to the Santa Fe scene in Bogota.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2768057]Oh the problems I face living in Colombia for many years. I need to stock up on larger sized condoms, oh the horrors of those cheap ass condoms they hand out at the love motels, has anyone seen where you can purchase Magnum XL condoms in either Medellin or Bogota?

Thanks in advance.

The Tall Man (and wide too, hehehe).[/QUOTE]I've never seen them in Medellin. Best to just order them on [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] and have them delivered to you. I've had great luck using [URL]Amazon.com[/URL] in Medellin and typically things show up before they say they will, and no issues with Customs if the value is less than $ 200 USD.

In Bogota ist is better, we payed en Santa Fe 100 k and ohne nice girl for only 50 k.

And you are right, in Medellíand every Girl From Tinder or Form El poblado want Minimum 300 k.

The Girls in El Centro are cheaper, yesterday I payed 50 k + 30 k for the room.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2768144]It's been awhile since I've actually posted, but I feel like I should help steer this thread back on track with useful information and not all this useless garbage that now litters this thread.

It's been a long time since I've mongered in Medellin, probably three to five years before the pandemic. I had very fond memories of this place and after a long return I've noticed some good changes, but probably mostly bad changes. El Poblado, and in particular the Parque Lleras area is just aweful. The park is under construction, and the restaurants in that area seem to be kind of dead. Looks like everything has moved to the Provenza area which was a pretty cool place to eat and hang out. That area seems to be touristy and more family friendly compared to the Parque Lleras area. This past Sunday night I thought I would gather some intel and walk around the area to understand how much things has changed. Maybe things are better on a Thursday to Saturday, but the area seemed to be busy enough on this Sunday.

First up are the SW girls. The girls seem to be spread out around Calle 10 from about Carrera 40 to about Carrera 37. Around 10-11 PM I would estimate there were a total of 20-30 girls. My personal taste are spinners (like an Eva Longoria back in her Desperate Housewives days), and I saw maybe 4-5 that fit my criteria. A couple of them were 6's, a couple more were 7's, and one was a solid 8. My general cutoff is a 7, but I could do a 6 if there was nothing better around. I didn't session with a single one, but I did chat with all of them to know what was on the menu and the price. First I talked to the 8, and while the plan was to just gather intel only, if the price and service was good I would have taken us both to a chica friendly hotel and done her then and there. The girl was very pretty, with a nice slim figure, and a beautiful face. She was asking for $300 k, which in my mind I was thinking it was a little high for a street walker, but she didn't look like an over used $50 k SW so maybe she was worth it depending on her service. I asked what was on the menu, and sad to report it was just basic SW service with covered everything. For $300 k I expect GFE, CFS, BBBJ, and DFK. So fair, she can charge whatever she feels she is worth and she was IMO the best of the bunch on Calle 10 in terms of looks, but maybe the less pretty spinners would charge something that is a little more reasonable for a SW. To make a long story short, nope they did not. Seems like the going rate for a spinner is $300 k, and the service they were offering was also just basic.

So in regards to SW things are definitely not as good as what they use to be. I remember back in the days it was maybe $150 k on the streets and $300 k in Gusto. Looks like those days are gone, and quite frankly I don't think this is all inflation's fault. A big reason for this huge price increase with a decrease in service has to do with more and more Gringo's coming here. El Poblado always had a lot of gringos, but now there are so many. Over tourism has definitely turned this place into something worse. Cab drivers don't seem to want to turn on their meters instead quoting you double or triple the actual fare price, you get propositioned by some random guys every block or so for not so legal stuff, and you have obnoxious tourists every where acting like they own the place. I wouldn't want to ever come back to the Parque Lleras area for mongering anymore. Maybe just for some people watching and maybe eat in the Provenza area, but for mongering I'm crossing this place off my list of places in the world to go to.

I've also used Photoprepagos a few times in Medellin and the experiences were pretty good living up to what I expected. Did the girls look like their pictures? More or less, they look like 10's in the photos, but in actuality when I met them they are maybe 6's to 7's. I'm hoping to strike gold with one that looks exactly like her pictures. In regards to prices it seems much more reasonable. Most girls asking about $100-$200 k per hour. Most of them also offer GFE for that price with some up charging for BBBJ (seems to be around an extra $80-100 k). If you have similar tastes as me, feel free to PM me for more specific info on the girls themselves. I don't feel like sharing that type of info on this thread, because quite frankly too many people here screws it up for the rest of us.

Well that's all for now. I'll try out the local SW action in other areas and see how they compare to the Santa Fe scene in Bogota.[/QUOTE]

Quick addendum to Part 1 first. Thanks for the advice on stomach issues. I will load up on pepto chewables and priobiotics for next trip. Fortunately, the really bad days were the last one and travel day. Plus it went a few more days back home.

Also, I forgot to mention that if you stay at Hotel Dorado in Laureles, which I do revommend, there are NO safes in the room. 24 hour security guard at door and staff at desk, so it is secure. I only took two girls to my room, but had to do a lot of work to make chica safe.

Now, on to the girls. I pretty much met up with girls three ways; facebook, one prepagos site that advertises (several girls in one house near Laureles) and El Centro. I did not try any strip clubs or casas though I wanted to. Never set foot in Poblado.

Facebook. I won't go over the entire method but I used what I found here. Started a few weeks before my trip, had maybe 20-25 friends that I communicated very little with prior other than liking a few posts or general comments of "muy bonita" or "hermosa" on their pics. Got to my hotel with a great view and posted one picture saying I was in Medellin "in spanish. " Then it was on, any of the "friends" that I wanted.

The two girls I had come over to hotel were both from facebook. 150 mil each for 2 hours. Pretty much same experience with both. BBJ and covered (made sure before). Both early 20's, solid 8's and just the way I like them. Young, thin with great natural curves. One was enamored with pics of herself (aren't they all?) She let me take several of her posing on the balcony overlooking city. She wanted several on her phone also and she took several selfies in the mirror. I had fun just watching and admiring her, young and beautiful. They both stayed about an hour and a half. My spanish is fairly basic, so after some fun and the deed, sitting around another 30 to 60 minutes using google translate is not my idea of fun.

Ellas Erotica (I think it was), in Laureles. I suppose this would be considered a casa, I'm not sure as I went to no other. I would consider it more an online brothel with a house / condo in Laureles. I may have seen it here, but I really found it on the catador prepapagos review site. I noticed many of the recent reviews were of girls from this place, good reviews, and there seemed to be a lot of buzz about the place as the go to spot of late. They have a website with several of the girls pics and info. If you inquire by whatsapp to the number listed. They will quickly send you a text with even more pics, what each girl will do, costs (bbj always extra). They have two locations, one in Laureles about a 5 minute cab ride from Hotel Dorado and the other is near Poblado or Provenza I think it is called.

It was 130-150 K (with the BBJ add on) for one hour. I saw two girls here on two different days. Both were 7 or 8's and had bolt ONS, not my thing but not complaining either. Pretty good service and fun. Got what I needed. Yes, only cold water in shower. Probably the least enjoyable of my three methods. Girls were fine, had fun and felt safe there, was not rushed. But too transactional for me. I know all this is transactional. I mean, I showed up, taken to a room and wait for the girl I picked online, then the clock starts. I think I would feel the same about any prepaid like that. I also think I would have enjoyed a regular casa much better. A chance to sit down, have a drink, watch the girls a littkeke, flirt and spend a little time first, then off to the races.

When I go back, the casa or strip club will be the first on my list to try. I saw all the places listed here, some in el centro, but I was not ready to venture too far, or stray, not knowing if there would be cabs right outside or within a block before I got lost or in a place I didn't want to be.

El Centro. This was by far my favorite. I know there are different opinions on looks and type of girls. But they were everywhere. I could just hang out and walk around Botero Plaza or the few blocks around there. Of course I went midday. Was just generally safe and cautious and had no problems at all. The peoole watching is greatvand it is just bustling around there. As for the girls, sure there were some fatties and some I wouldn't get near for free and anything and everything goes. 9's and 10's probably not. But several 7's and a few I would say are close to 8's.

I think Colombian women are beautiful. When I say 7's, I'm talking about pretty damn cute, young with perfect little hardbodies. I was not complaining. I did not find most of them to be drugged out spacey or thuggish. They just seemed to be young. Fun. And willing to play for pay. I talked to many of them. I"the politely tell them I was getting some lunch but I"the be around. I"the pass them again while taking Laos and they just grinned at me until I picked one out.

The first girl on the first day down there took me to a short time place up some stairs across from the church. They checked her ID but not mine. Around 15 K for half an hour, a little more for hour, whichever I picked with the girl. I laughed when we got our first room. The girl took me up about three levels, picked a room and we go in. There are three twin beds lined up about three feet apart and a bathroom shower area at the end. A flatscreen on the wall with porn. I remembered somebody posting pics of his chica on a twin bed with spongebob sheets. I didn"t see spongebob but they were all similar kids twin sheets. I wondered if I was at the same motel or even the same room.

El Centro reminded me of being in Sosua on Pedro Clisante back when it was much better. Only it was daytime, regular commuters were all around. And the chicas weren't grabbing my crotch and hustling me, and of course even cheaper. I loved it. I am not just looking for the cheapest I can find, but hell, even if a complete bust, at 30 K for half an hour or 50 K for an hour, worst thing possible us I end it immediately oat her anyway to avoid any BS, and go find another out hardly any money. But that did not happen. Since I spent so much time, perusing and chatting them up to get a feel for them, had no problem finding something to satisfy me each time.

So I guess I will be a Centro rat. With some facebook girls thrown in for a tad higher class and better location. And hopefully I will venture into some casas next time or find someone to show me around in them. I think next time I will go to the Mansion for a few nights, find some gringos, then just go into the heart of the beast and stay at Nutibara right in el cento. I walked right past it. Then I don't have to cab in and out and worry about getting caught in the rain.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2768162]So I guess I will be a Centro rat. With some facebook girls thrown in for a tad higher class and better location. And hopefully I will venture into some casas next time or find someone to show me around in them. I think next time I will go to the Mansion for a few nights, find some gringos, then just go into the heart of the beast and stay at Nutibara right in el cento. I walked right past it. Then I don't have to cab in and out and worry about getting caught in the rain.[/QUOTE]This is the way. Stay at the Nutti, laps in El Centro, visit some of the strip clubs if you like, and visit the many casas in the area. The hunt and the luck of the draw is part of the fun.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2768144]She was asking for $300 k, which in my mind I was thinking it was a little high for a street walker, but she didn't look like an over used $50 k SW so maybe she was worth it [/QUOTE]Neither did those chicks on Tinder look like they would drug and rob and kill guys. They looked like they would be worth it.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2768258]This is the way. Stay at the Nutti, laps in El Centro, visit some of the strip clubs if you like, and visit the many casas in the area. The hunt and the luck of the draw is part of the fun.[/QUOTE]I second this statement and there's also the coffee girls, chicas working at the bars, and girls that work the various restaurants / stores in the area that you can try and pick up. Don't be a sucker and get ripped off at places like Fase II and gustos.

My compliments on a good MEDELLIN REPORT. Anecdotal account with heaping mounds of factual, quantifiable information.

To add to the El Centro section, on my trip meet up with a El Centro Vennie, 18 yo, must have been 5'4", had to be no more than 100 lbs. Thin, but curvy nicely developing tits and a cute, little butt. Little, but not flat. 50 k for her, 18 k for the room, 2 k for incidentals like hair lotion. Jajaja.

She tried showing off in the room, dancing for the mirror, which was cute because I could see her tits and butt simultaneously. I took control of her movements, got her on the bed and we held congress. She was very compliant, but I asked for nothing wild. No anal or cum anywhere besides the condom, for example.

All in all, the session was inexpensive, and the girl was good in looks and as a partner.

What surprised me was the ask for a tip. She asked for a propina of 50 k! I didn't go nuclear and simply cut her off, so I came up with a compromise. Firstly, I did not have 50 to give (based on how I line my pockets for a Centro run), but I did have enough for 10 K and dinner. We went to the yellow restaurant on the main corner, right down from the church. I thought it would be awkward and did not really know what to expect, like if I was going to be shown off as the White Elephant trophy of a Centro Vennie, but we were not bothered by anyone and all in all, the experience was nice. She acted sweet (she put her head on my shoulder when we were sitting in the restaurant booth), the soup was good, and I always wanted to try that place.

So, I would say, watch out. If you are not ready to be asked for a tip, it does happen. The options are innumerable, and I think I came up with a decent one that extended the time with a cutie, got to try a place I always wanted, and did it all for a bargain.

Pro.

- Cute girl, fun time.

- Came with a dinner (no pun intended).

Con.

- Sudden, unexpected propina and sizable amount.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2768162]
El Centro. This was by far my favorite. I know there are different opinions on looks and type of girls. But they were everywhere. I could just hang out and walk around Botero Plaza or the few blocks around there. Of course I went midday. Was just generally safe and cautious and had no problems at all. The peoole watching is greatvand it is just bustling around there. As for the girls, sure there were some fatties and some I wouldn't get near for free and anything and everything goes. 9's and 10's probably not. But several 7's and a few I would say are close to 8's.

I think Colombian women are beautiful. When I say 7's, I'm talking about pretty damn cute, young with perfect little hardbodies. I was not complaining. I did not find most of them to be drugged out spacey or thuggish. They just seemed to be young. Fun. And willing to play for pay. I talked to many of them. I"the politely tell them I was getting some lunch but I"the be around. I"the pass them again while taking Laos and they just grinned at me until I picked one out.

The first girl on the first day down there took me to a short time place up some stairs across from the church. They checked her ID but not mine. Around 15 K for half an hour, a little more for hour, whichever I picked with the girl. I laughed when we got our first room. The girl took me up about three levels, picked a room and we go in. There are three twin beds lined up about three feet apart and a bathroom shower area at the end. A flatscreen on the wall with porn. I remembered somebody posting pics of his chica on a twin bed with spongebob sheets. I didn"t see spongebob but they were all similar kids twin sheets. I wondered if I was at the same motel or even the same room.

El Centro reminded me of being in Sosua on Pedro Clisante back when it was much better. Only it was daytime, regular commuters were all around. And the chicas weren't grabbing my crotch and hustling me, and of course even cheaper. I loved it. I am not just looking for the cheapest I can find, but hell, even if a complete bust, at 30 K for half an hour or 50 K for an hour, worst thing possible us I end it immediately oat her anyway to avoid any BS, and go find another out hardly any money. But that did not happen. Since I spent so much time, perusing and chatting them up to get a feel for them, had no problem finding something to satisfy me each time.

So I guess I will be a Centro rat. With some facebook girls thrown in for a tad higher class and better location. And hopefully I will venture into some casas next time or find someone to show me around in them. I think next time I will go to the Mansion for a few nights, find some gringos, then just go into the heart of the beast and stay at Nutibara right in el cento. I walked right past it. Then I don't have to cab in and out and worry about getting caught in the rain.[/QUOTE]

Great addition Litmus! Very similar experience to mine, except I was not asked for propina or have dinner with any after. I am glad to have read some positive reports and experiences on el centro also, or I never would have had the great experiences I did there.

One thing that frustrated me about the board and finding the helpful info I wanted was all the pissing contests and bickering. And I certainly don't want to start now.

To me, if I am having fun one way, and someone else is having fun a different way that I may not enjoy so much, what the hell do I care? I'm having fun and he's having fun. That's a good thing right?

I may try Poblado next time, I may not. Personally to me, Poblado just sounded too much like the way Sosua has gone, and I stopped going there for a reason. It also seemed like I would have more eyes on me and be a target, even though EL Centro is considered far more dangerous and less upscale. Who knows. I may try it and like it much better. But I had a great time, and like you, found some that were very much to my liking and fun. Some can go right ahead and call me a fool for not thinking their different way is the best. Go right ahead, I don't care, wasted useless energy.

I am a bit jealous. I really wanted to try a Vennie (or more) also. I asked each girl just out of curiosity, but they all said Colombian. I wouldn't know the difference. Are there any ways to tell? Hell, any of them could have been Vennie and maybe I was in fact with one. Maybe my asking made them think I only wanted Paisas, so they told me what they thought I wanted to hear.

If you have not done it, give it a try. Personally, I enjoy the street energy there. It is safe and alive with Colombians just having a good time and living their lives, and its nice to be swept up in that wave.

Of all the times I have been there, I have pulled 2 girls. One bad and one good experience, respectively. This was when I had a hotel in Poblado, too, so the walk was super easy. Ergo, I do not know where a love motel is, or the price. I heard the girls know, so I expect them to lead on that part when time comes.

With the park under construction the girls post up in front of Moet, up to Calle 10, then along Calle 10 for a couple blocks. I have definitely seen some pretty girls, got some intel on prices and was even propositioned with a thick girls asshole with no upcharge. Definitely a fun time if you like to shop around.

Of the girls I did session with, the bad was 175 K. She also tapped out before I came. And then she would not leave. She wanted to sleep there, and said her ride was gone, and all sorts of stuff. The front desk clerk and I became friends that night because he handled her like a pro, and I tipped him for his work and discretion.

The good girl was cuter and more professional. When we met, she asked for 300 K, I asked for how long and immediately followed that question with "Dos oras? She said yes, so I countered with 200 K for 2 hrs, which was accepted. She was a cute, early 20's, thin Colombian with nice long straight black hair. And in hindsight, I don't think it was 2 hours, but it was not really rushed; it was just the right amount of time. We hung out for a bit post-coitus, she waited from me to get dressed, and we walked back to the park together, and all that time there was no foot tapping, no clock watching, no rushrush feel.

I have not done Gustos, but have been in some of the other clubs, Moet and the other one next to it, before they start asking for a cover charge. Those clubs are LOUD, dark and dry ice smoky. They use stobe lights too (proper club type effects) and the whole thing is just not my scene. Actually, kinda disorienting. Given the volume, I do not know if negotiations for price happen in the club, or what not. Not really my thing (which is why I check it out before they charge the cover) and the girls look much the same in the club or on the street.

I will try Gustos one of these days because I believe in ticking boxes. La Isla was one last time, which I wrote a report about, but it got buried back in September. The TL; DR is "I am glad it is there, will do it again, but in no rush to repeat. Medellin has waaaay to much to offer to stick to just to La Isla. " Which is what I expect my experience at Gustos will be.

Keep in mind, Parque Lleras is a hunting ground and failing you do not find something you like, it is a good people-watching ground. It is a good scene for walking with a 4 K beer and a 1 K cigarette, and not giving too much a shit about anything. The bonus is it goes way late into the morning and stays safe, whereas Centro is supposed to be a No-Go Zone after dark for gringos AND locals. I have been in El Centro well after dusk once and the place died off hard.

I have had the benefit of seeing the park before it underwent reconstruction, and recently with how the everyone had to adjust. It is more fun with the park open, but it is still fun if you branch out and away from Parque Lleras. A note about moving away from the park, my motus operendi is to be respectful when I am not in the tolerance zone, so I do not proposition girls in Provenza and don't gawk at another dude's girl.

I would say you should check it out to form your own opinion. It is definitely a place to monger, but it also a place to just experience.

As for Poblado, it is a nice area, one worth exploring. A pleasant ambiance, descent sightseeing and a river tucked away up a street, which added to my amazement as it felt it brought the jungle right into the city, if even just a sliver. There are also good services available and nice restaurants.

It is on a hill, which I really didn't notice until I started spending more time in and around El Centro, and then returning to Poblado. Not a big deal if you are in ok shape, but you do notice it.

A bummer negative to Poblado is begging has increased in these past couple years. It was ok in 2019, but these past couple trips have been astonishing with how much begging there is now, even kind of aggressive. Between Parque Lleras and the Poblado tram station, expect to be asked 5 times, minimum. And, it is not just the rural Indians with their little children sleeping next to them (whom are actually quite modest and not aggressive), but families of Colombians all working as a big begging unit. I learned to take the back street (calle 9) during the daytime when headed to the tram station.

Pros.

- Safe, energetic night scene.

- A bevy of beaver.

Cons.

- Girls are a bit more pricey and always an iffy experience.

- Tourist magnet, which also draws beggers.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2768363]

I may try Poblado next time, I may not. Personally to me, Poblado just sounded too much like the way Sosua has gone, and I stopped going there for a reason. It also seemed like I would have more eyes on me and be a target, even though EL Centro is considered far more dangerous and less upscale. Who knows. I may try it and like it much better. But I had a great time, and like you, found some that were very much to my liking and fun. Some can go right ahead and call me a fool for not thinking their different way is the best. Go right ahead, I don't care, wasted useless energy.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, another outstanding post Litmus. I've learned more on your last few posts than I ever did in many five to ten consecutive pages on this board. Great info on Poblado and Lleras. You confirmed a few things I thought about the area, but also convinced me why it is worth trying also. Example, I loved all the activity in Centro, sheer number of girls, and ability to be out and about, window shop, and talk to the girls first and get a feel for and with them. But I know you do not want to be out at nor is there much going on. For night time, that is why I stayed in Laureles. It is bustling and safe there. Although lots of girls around, and I am sure some coukd be pulled with lots of effort, most are not out looking or expecting for a transactional hookup. And on a short vacation. I'm not looking for dating and the effort.

It sounds like Poblado has the best of both. With some cons you pointed out.

Colombia seems to have all that I like, it is just much more spread out. I'm coming from the by bygone glory days of Sosua that I once loved. Where you could find it all within walking distance. Daytime action on the beach. Nighttime safe walking to restaurants and bars. Street girls, dance club girls, anything you wanted. Bar girls or bartenders available to takeout, with barfines. Even my favorite, La Passions a mega indoor outdoor strip club that literally had a chica menu, onsite, takeout, shorttime, overnnight. Heaven.

That is all available in Colombia, it is just spread out and takes much more planning so thanks for your help.

I hope what I have added can help others. Having been only once, I tried to share the things I wanted to know about before I went.

Anyway, I think I have found my new destination, I just have to keep learning to make it better and interesting. Thailand, Pattaya. Is still my dream. But from my area on the East Coast with a 20 to 28 hour flight each way at $2 K USD, not on my radar.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2768363]I really wanted to try a Vennie (or more) also. I asked each girl just out of curiosity, but they all said Colombian. I wouldn't know the difference. Are there any ways to tell? [/QUOTE]I'm amazed you couldn't find a vennie, Centro is swarming with them. I'm choosing a chica by looks & vibe not a nationality but usually after I've chosen and then later ask, 90% of them turn out to be vennies. They are all over really, back corner of the church (where the panaderia is) is a good bet. They are usually slim and hang out in groups (and often with their boyfriends hanging around nearby or selling stuff).

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2768162]So I guess I will be a Centro rat. With some facebook girls thrown in for a tad higher class and better location. And hopefully I will venture into some casas next time or find someone to show me around in them. I think next time I will go to the Mansion for a few nights, find some gringos, [/QUOTE]You have already graduated elementary; why go back to kindergarten? You have swallowed the elephant; I doubt you would choke on the tail.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2768548]You have already graduated elementary; why go back to kindergarten? You have swallowed the elephant; I doubt you would choke on the tail.[/QUOTE]No desire at all to hang at the Mansion. I only meant to meet a few regulars or vets to show me around where the casas are, share info etc. Maybe if I plan ahead I can catch a vet from the board while I am down there. If I bring a wingman, I would be the lead between us.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2768487]Of all the times I have been there, I have pulled 2 girls. One bad and one good experience, respectively. This was when I had a hotel in Poblado, too, so the walk was super easy. Ergo, I do not know where a love motel is, or the price. I heard the girls know, so I expect them to lead on that part when time comes.
[/QUOTE]It is apparently $90 k mil according to the SW that I talked to on Calle 10.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2768635]No desire at all to hang at the Mansion. I only meant to meet a few regulars or vets to show me around where the casas are, share info etc. Maybe if I plan ahead I can catch a vet from the board while I am down there. If I bring a wingman, I would be the lead between us.[/QUOTE]Mansion gets a bad rap, in my opinion. I often use it as a base. Honestly, I've even rented rooms there when staying elsewhere. I've always traveled alone. But I have met some good dudes there and have both shared notes and benefitted from sharing. I agree that the mansion is a safe bet for newbies. But I think vets that don't need the hand holding benefit too. I've also found three real diamonds there that still work there. I enjoy the low key vibe during the day to really know what the girls are like.

Heading back to MDE in February. I'll be staying elsewhere but I'll probably rent a room there at least a couple days too.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2768685]Mansion gets a bad rap, in my opinion. I often use it as a base. Honestly, I've even rented rooms there when staying elsewhere. I've always traveled alone. But I have met some good dudes there and have both shared notes and benefitted from sharing. I agree that the mansion is a safe bet for newbies. But I think vets that don't need the hand holding benefit too. I've also found three real diamonds there that still work there. I enjoy the low key vibe during the day to really know what the girls are like. [/QUOTE]Why is that? Is mansion mostly curvy girls? Call me crazy but I get the feeling a lot of the older members on this board are into tiny thin girls. I don't know about you but I think most of us who grew up in the 90's like our woman with curves and something to grab onto. That little body type ain't it for me but to each his own. Someone even mentioned the other day about how some casa has kids sheets / blankets which I thought was pretty weird.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2768710]Why is that? Is mansion mostly curvy girls? Call me crazy but I get the feeling a lot of the older members on this board are into tiny thin girls. I don't know about you but I think most of us who grew up in the 90's like our woman with curves and something to grab onto. That little body type ain't it for me but to each his own. Someone even mentioned the other day about how some casa has kids sheets / blankets which I thought was pretty weird.[/QUOTE]I've not found a single place in Medellin where all the girls were thin, or, curvy, or any other thing. I've been to a few places on certain days when there were only a few girls working, but even then they weren't all one type. That includes the Mansion.

I think most people have their eyes opened when they first arrive in Medellin. In the US, it's not easy to find a perfect body. Even finding a good body takes some work. Thin US girls are often unhealthy thin. Curvy girls often are flabby with a big gut. And in the US, BBW means she's really fat with lots of makeup.

A thin girl in Medellin almost always still has breasts and an amazing ass, still curvy, but in a smaller package. Curvy girls usually still have a flat, or nearly flat stomach. That's just the natural girls. There are also all the girls with aftermarket equipment. Finding a girl with a good to great body (by US standards) is easy.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2768710]Why is that? Is mansion mostly curvy girls? Call me crazy but I get the feeling a lot of the older members on this board are into tiny thin girls. I don't know about you but I think most of us who grew up in the 90's like our woman with curves and something to grab onto. That little body type ain't it for me but to each his own. Someone even mentioned the other day about how some casa has kids sheets / blankets which I thought was pretty weird.[/QUOTE]Man,

I'm just like you. There is such a thing as too thin. I definitely prefer the curves. I'd probably qualify as older. Upper 40's. But too thin is a turnoff. Not sure what that has to do with the mansion. In my experience, they have a wide variety. Yes, there are some thin spinners. But they have all varieties, from what I've seen. I'd probably say the vast majority are in what I would say is the "average" body size.

In my experience if you want an abundance of curvy girls, Cali is a better choice. Medellin does have curvy girls but you got to seek them. Loutron and la isla etc in this category typically have the prototype girl. Fit, decent looking etc, lots of 8's. What I like about the Centro casas and strip clubs is that you will have more of a wider selection to suit your pallet. From older chicks to curvier ones too. Now, I say this with sadness, too bad webcam is either too expensive to even try meeting up and too restrictive that many do not even bother as they have significant others or plainly do not mix business with pleasure. Of course, other reasons as well and most importantly I am not even in the country at the moment. Here you can do a search and voila all the types you would want pop up. Fantasy land. Now, I did dabble with webcam and believe that it is possible to go on a date with a webcam model without blowing a tonne of money. Just a feeling or hunch I've got interacting with some on whatsapp. Again, I do realize that even chatting is one step, there are other hurdles I need to clear before the date.

As for agencies? Never tried them. Perhaps there are more exclusive agencies that deal with clients who want discretion etc or have parties in fincas. There are madams etc who recruit girls to go to these parties as well. Make sure they are of legal age folks! I read about a character like that who introduces girls off of Facebook on here. Any of you cats use any agent / agency that has a catalogue or you say what your needs are (finca party 5 girls) or 5 girls with fake tits and asses. Whatever. How has your experience been?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2768923] I'd probably say the vast majority are in what I would say is the "average" body size.[/QUOTE]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

I been informed by someone that just got back from, medellin, that these prices members have posted recently for the medellin market are way off, well maybe not for the basic average looking girls but for the curvy model like girls 9's-10's of today's standards (pretty face, thick legs, flat stomach, big tits & ass) those are more in the range of $100-$150 usd. He said even the parque lleras street girls that come close to a 9 by the same standards will turn down 300 k now. So I could be wrong but my theory is these prices of 200 k-350 k cop are most likely being quoted by basic average looking girls to mongers here and not the top of the creme. Like I mentioned in my last comment a 9 or 10 could be a stick (a girl with no ass or tits) to other members on this board so just keep that in mind.

So I finally decided to adventure out to El Centro to check out the local SW scene and see how it compares to Santa Fe SW action in Bogota. I went to El Centro on a Thursday afternoon right after an incall with this hot Paisa I found on Photoprepagos that gave good GFE for $300 k. I'm sure glad I session before hand otherwise I would have went home with blue balls. I just don't get it, where are all these so called hidden gems that guys are finding in El Centro? In Santa Fe I can usually find one or two girls on any day to session with but El Centro I couldn't find one I would even do for free. Sure I guess everyone has a preference, but every girl there looked beat up, used and sad. There were probably a handful of girls that were what I would say were slim, but in no way were they pretty. Most of them were brown bag specials, with maybe a couple of them at least being a 6, and I'm being generous with that rating. Maybe they are a 6 after a bucket of beers. I walked all over trying to find hidden gems, but the only gems I found were clothes. Yes, after an hour of walking around and finding nothing I cared to even touch my attention then turned to the fake markets. To my surprise El Centro is a mecca for clothes shopping. Any fake designer brands you want can be found there and at dirt cheap prices. The quality of the clothes weren't half bad either. I could definitely tell a shirt is a ripoff Versace, however for non-high end designer brands like Nike those are actually excellent copies (clothes not shoes). So to make a long story short, I would absolutely return to El Centro again, but not for the girls, but instead for the shopping. Actually I'll return back tomorrow, maybe there might be more doable girls than can change my opinion of the place.

Can anyone please recommend a nice hotel in El Poblado area?

It will be my first time hinting down there and I want a nice hotel near a fun area.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2769014]I went to El Centro on a Thursday afternoon...[/QUOTE]I think El Centro goes in waves. It's all chicas going there for work on their own schedule to fit their own lives. Some hang out there 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Others are just there for a couple of hours on a random day. "Conventional wisdom" is if you go there early afternoon, you can catch some of the morning crew leaving and afternoon crew arriving. For some reason, last time I visited some of the best I saw were at earlier hours.

Earlier in the day you've got the shops to keep you entertained if you don't find anyone. Later in the day you've got the strip clubs to keep you entertained. Late night there's less entertainment and more keeping your head up so you don't get robbed.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2769014]where are all these so called hidden gems that guys are finding in El Centro?[/QUOTE]Public holiday might have something to do with yesterday's slim pickings. Sunday isn't usually that great either. Saturday is best IMO. And on weekdays best choice is usually after 4 pm. The weather is a factor too, more chicas come out to play when it isn't pouring down and the sun is shining.

BTW what were the prices for the clothes?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2768057]Oh the problems I face living in Colombia for many years. I need to stock up on larger sized condoms, oh the horrors of those cheap ass condoms they hand out at the love motels, has anyone seen where you can purchase Magnum XL condoms in either Medellin or Bogota?

Thanks in advance.

The Tall Man (and wide too, hehehe).[/QUOTE]I order from Walmart. I have had an account with [URL]aeropost.com[/URL] for more than 10 years, and never had any problems, other than they do not seem to be able to sort out American credit cards so I pay a dollar debt with pesos. They give you an address in Miami, and handle shipping and customs. Prices are reasonable.

Possibly we could cooperate on a purchase?

I just wanted to say that the past several days. Pages and posts have been great. I hope it stays this way with even more reports. Even more detailed ones. They have been full of info. That should be helpful to newbies, and maybe even some different perspectives the vets might find interesting. And yes some personal opinions which I think are great. You can take them for what they are worth. Totally different than stating. "I am the master and most knowkegeable, my way is the best and only way. Your way and you are stupifmd for doing it that way is a waste of time, you are inferior to me. " Then we get 3 or 4 pages of useless debate and name calling. Useless and annoying as fuck.

The last post as an example. Didn't have a good time in El Centro. Didn't find many girls to his liking. But gave an actual report. Also, added some useful info about El Centro) that I didn"t. Like all the street vendors, clothing, food, small little bars and restaurants. I'd add Botero Plaza is worth seeing at least once. As is being in the city center and the heart of day to day Medellin living for many.

Great report! Perhaps their are truly different tastes in women and that is fine. But, so many different ways to meet chicas there you could have a bad first time experience in any. Casas could be great, but maybe you go to one first try on a bad day, or pick a bad girl. And you hated it. Another day and it was your best experience yet. All part of the game.

Thanks for the great reports, and opinions, without the keyboard warrior battles!

[QUOTE=Bluat;2769014]So I finally decided to adventure out to El Centro to check out the local SW scene and see how it compares to Santa Fe SW action in Bogota. I went to El Centro on a Thursday afternoon right after an incall with this hot Paisa I found on Photoprepagos that gave good GFE for $300 k. I'm sure glad I session before hand otherwise I would have went home with blue balls. I just don't get it, where are all these so called hidden gems that guys are finding in El Centro? In Santa Fe I can usually find one or two girls on any day to session with but El Centro I couldn't find one I would even do for free. Sure I guess everyone has a preference, but every girl there looked beat up, used and sad. There were probably a handful of girls that were what I would say were slim, but in no way were they pretty. Most of them were brown bag specials, with maybe a couple of them at least being a 6, and I'm being generous with that rating. Maybe they are a 6 after a bucket of beers. I walked all over trying to find hidden gems, but the only gems I found were clothes. Yes, after an hour of walking around and finding nothing I cared to even touch my attention then turned to the fake markets. To my surprise El Centro is a mecca for clothes shopping. Any fake designer brands you want can be found there and at dirt cheap prices. The quality of the clothes weren't half bad either. I could definitely tell a shirt is a ripoff Versace, however for non-high end designer brands like Nike those are actually excellent copies (clothes not shoes)..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

I been informed by someone that just got back from, medellin, that these prices members have posted recently for the medellin market are way off, well maybe not for the basic average looking girls but for the curvy model like girls 9's-10's of today's standards (pretty face, thick legs, flat stomach, big tits & ass) those are more in the range of $100-$150 usd. He said even the parque lleras street girls that come close to a 9 by the same standards will turn down 300 k now. So I could be wrong but my theory is these prices of 200 k-350 k cop are most likely being quoted by basic average looking girls to mongers here and not the top of the creme. Like I mentioned in my last comment a 9 or 10 could be a stick (a girl with no ass or tits) to other members on this board so just keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own perception of beauty and what they find attractive. They also have their own perception of value and for some, the value / looks scale is drastically different than others. We clearly have a mix of generations here and differences in styles. I'm sure we'll get some of the older guys who are going to chirp at this, but if you're on the younger side and can already have sex with an average girl for free, centro will do absolutely nothing for you and most of the girls on the street in Poblado won't either. If you're into the griminess of it yeah you can find something for sure, but for me that's not my style. I'd rather avoid an unkept or even average girl and wait for quality.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2769099]I just wanted to say that the past several days. Pages and posts have been great. I hope it stays this way with even more reports. ...
Thanks for the great reports, and opinions, without the keyboard warrior battles![/QUOTE]That is not necessary a good thing. One can write a report without criticizing other posters / posts. This post reminds me what you are criticizing. The information should be open. Most current new reports contain information either incorrect or overspent unnecessary because lack of knowledge. One potential effect is people think these posts represent how things should be.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2769085]BTW what were the prices for the clothes?[/QUOTE]For the knock offs it ranged from $20 k to $65 k depending on the design and quality. Most basic going for $35 or $40 k.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

I been informed by someone that just got back from, medellin, that these prices members have posted recently for the medellin market are way off, well maybe not for the basic average looking girls but for the curvy model like girls 9's-10's of today's standards (pretty face, thick legs, flat stomach, big tits & ass) those are more in the range of $100-$150 usd. He said even the parque lleras street girls that come close to a 9 by the same standards will turn down 300 k now. So I could be wrong but my theory is these prices of 200 k-350 k cop are most likely being quoted by basic average looking girls to mongers here and not the top of the creme. Like I mentioned in my last comment a 9 or 10 could be a stick (a girl with no ass or tits) to other members on this board so just keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen a Parque Lleras 9 or 10, but maybe we have different definitions of a 9 or 10. I think a good way to gauge the going price is to look at photoprepagos. I've actually struck gold with a solid 8 that did it all for $300 k. To be a 9 or 10 she'd have to be an Instagram model. An 8 to me would be the hot cheerleader you always wanted to hook up with, but wasn't necessarily model material. A 7 is just a pretty girl, a 6 is average but doable, and anything below that the ratings scale with their waistline and age.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2768057]Oh the problems I face living in Colombia for many years. I need to stock up on larger sized condoms, oh the horrors of those cheap ass condoms they hand out at the love motels, has anyone seen where you can purchase Magnum XL condoms in either Medellin or Bogota?

The Tall Man (and wide too, hehehe).[/QUOTE]I suffered from the same problem in a few places I went: the locally sourced condoms were too small and ripped apart.

On Colombia my statistics is particularly bad with "Duo" by baiersdorf. Out of 10 across different boxes purchased separately 4 were torn.

Later on I found the brand "piel" which were actually quite large and stretchy. I have not had any issues with them yet.

They are apparently some comarketed brand between profamilia (a chain of fertility clinics) and farmacia Pasteur. So they are not available everywhere (Pasteur's have them). The good part is that they are also very cheap: like 5 mil peso for 3 unidades. So, if cannot acquire magnums try these ones. Hope they'll work for you as they did for me.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2769099]I just wanted to say that the past several days. Pages and posts have been great. I hope it stays this way with even more reports. Even more detailed ones. They have been full of info. That should be helpful to newbies, and maybe even some different perspectives the vets might find interesting. And yes some personal opinions which I think are great. You can take them for what they are worth. Totally different than stating. "I am the master and most knowkegeable, my way is the best and only way. Your way and you are stupifmd for doing it that way is a waste of time, you are inferior to me. " Then we get 3 or 4 pages of useless debate and name calling. Useless and annoying as fuck.

The last post as an example. Didn't have a good time in El Centro. Didn't find many girls to his liking. But gave an actual report. Also, added some useful info about El Centro) that I didn"t. Like all the street vendors, clothing, food, small little bars and restaurants. I'd add Botero Plaza is worth seeing at least once. As is being in the city center and the heart of day to day Medellin living for many.[/QUOTE]I agree completely with this sentiment. The recent posts have been great and the way it should be and not the back and forth insults and bickering. I like to read about the experiences of others to get an idea of what one can expect and the current scene. You can argue that some guys are overspending but it is their money and they should be able to do what they want with their money. Another good point that some have made is that each monger is different. Some are young, some are old. Some have a lot of money, some do not. Some are handsome, some are ugly. What one guy wants and expects may be different from what another guy wants and this is fine. This forum should be open to all types of mongers and info as to all venues should be welcomed.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2769014]So I finally decided to adventure out to El Centro to check out the local SW scene and see how it compares to Santa Fe SW action in Bogota. I went to El Centro on a Thursday afternoon right after an incall with this hot Paisa I found on Photoprepagos that gave good GFE for $300 k. I'm sure glad I session before hand otherwise I would have went home with blue balls. I just don't get it, where are all these so called hidden gems that guys are finding in El Centro? In Santa Fe I can usually find one or two girls on any day to session with but El Centro I couldn't find one I would even do for free. Sure I guess everyone has a preference, but every girl there looked beat up, used and sad. There were probably a handful of girls that were what I would say were slim, but in no way were they pretty. Most of them were brown bag specials, with maybe a couple of them at least being a 6, and I'm being generous with that rating. Maybe they are a 6 after a bucket of beers. I walked all over trying to find hidden gems, but the only gems I found were clothes. Yes, after an hour of walking around and finding nothing I cared to even touch my attention then turned to the fake markets. To my surprise El Centro is a mecca for clothes shopping. Any fake designer brands you want can be found there and at dirt cheap prices. The quality of the clothes weren't half bad either. I could definitely tell a shirt is a ripoff Versace, however for non-high end designer brands like Nike those are actually excellent copies (clothes not shoes). So to make a long story short, I would absolutely return to El Centro again, but not for the girls, but instead for the shopping. Actually I'll return back tomorrow, maybe there might be more doable girls than can change my opinion of the place.[/QUOTE]On my last trip the higher quality girls tended to be in the casas and strip clubs in El Centro. Also the coffee girls will session with you if you just approach and ask.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2769141]To be a 9 or 10 she'd have to be an Instagram model. [/QUOTE]So there are no ugly chicks that put their pictures on Instagram and there are no beautiful chicks that do not put their pictures on Instagram?

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2769099]I just wanted to say that the past several days. Pages and posts have been great. I hope it stays this way with even more reports. Even more detailed ones. They have been full of info. That should be helpful to newbies, and maybe even some different perspectives the vets might find interesting. And yes some personal opinions which I think are great. You can take them for what they are worth. Totally different than stating. "I am the master and most knowkegeable, my way is the best and only way. Your way and you are stupifmd for doing it that way is a waste of time, you are inferior to me. " Then we get 3 or 4 pages of useless debate and name calling. Useless and annoying as fuck.

The last post as an example. Didn't have a good time in El Centro. Didn't find many girls to his liking. But gave an actual report. Also, added some useful info about El Centro) that I didn"t. Like all the street vendors, clothing, food, small little bars and restaurants. I'd add Botero Plaza is worth seeing at least once. As is being in the city center and the heart of day to day Medellin living for many.

Great report! Perhaps their are truly different tastes in women and that is fine. But, so many different ways to meet chicas there you could have a bad first time experience in any. Casas could be great, but maybe you go to one first try on a bad day, or pick a bad girl. And you hated it. Another day and it was your best experience yet. All part of the game.

Thanks for the great reports, and opinions, without the keyboard warrior battles![/QUOTE]El centro IMHO is very dicey. The hustle and bustle and proximity to shoppers and scammers is uncontrollable and not for the timid.

Guys read the forum and think its like walking in the mall at home and they might be better staying home and over pay without disrupting the p4 p system already in place.

Don't be too hard on the know it alls they have serious drug and / or attention issues but agree lots of wasted bandwidth and scrolling is an unfortunate result.

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito;2677524]Here is the Ad in Mileroticos where I found about that place, its Loren's Ad. You can ask her for the other girls I only kept her phone number.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/valery-el-deseo-y-la-pasion-quiero-hacertelo-delicioso/22611921/[/URL]

The Place is next to Salon Frances in Floresta, roughly between Estacion Floresta and Viva Exito on la 80. PM me if you want more info.[/QUOTE]Was mesmerized by this report in March, FINALLY touched down in Medellin.

OP provided spa phone number, it's since disconnected. Searched Google for Chicas Luxury came up zilch.

Is it common for spa casas to have short fly by night shelf life?

I'm sure there's plenty alternate option out there but still.

Also: contacted a few recent operating spas, mixed bag some say come on over others giving me lip about details don't get revealed until I pick a girl and arrival time. That will be the maybe pile I guess

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2769145]IThe recent posts have been ... not the back and forth insults and bickering.[/QUOTE]The last 4 pages in this section have been a waste of space. Just complaining and bickering about the bickering in this section. It's actually getting quite difficult to find the actual bickering that I prefer.

So can we put aside the bickering at the bickering, and just get back to bickering please?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

I been informed by someone that just got back from, medellin, that these prices members have posted recently for the medellin market are way off, well maybe not for the basic average looking girls but for the curvy model like girls 9's-10's of today's standards (pretty face, thick legs, flat stomach, big tits & ass) those are more in the range of $100-$150 usd. He said even the parque lleras street girls that come close to a 9 by the same standards will turn down 300 k now. So I could be wrong but my theory is these prices of 200 k-350 k cop are most likely being quoted by basic average looking girls to mongers here and not the top of the creme. Like I mentioned in my last comment a 9 or 10 could be a stick (a girl with no ass or tits) to other members on this board so just keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]I agree, the top of the cream would want higher rates. They are in high demand and can be very selective. I have been quoted up to 1 million cop (around $200 USD), which is still cheaper than the top of the cream in CDMX, Sao Paulo, Rio, Buenos Aires, etc. There are very few exceptions though. A girl who is just new to this / starting out, and not been spoiled yet. These girls are not easy to find though and once you find one, you have very limited time until she figures things out and moves to a much higher price bracket. A couple of years ago, during the pandemic, I met a model who was very close to a 9, I used to pay her around 350 k per date, 1 year later when I hit her up again, she wanted 1 million and wouldn't budge. I have said this many times before, the hottest girls, the top of the cream, even if they come from a poor family, will eventually figure out the way to earn much more than your average basic SW or casa girl. Be it only fans, high end strip club, or a sugar daddy. There are always rich guys around, both locals and foreigners, willing to pay premium for quality (looks wise). Most of the top of the creme girls we won't even see around or online, because they are off market - have normal relationships, are supported by sugar daddies or are married. Many of them travel internationally, and are always out of town. Any 8's and 9's that we ocassionally see at a place like La Isla, or online, are just breadcrumbs.

Whenever the circular debate about which girls are 1,3,6,8 whatever resumes the Medellin forum becomes less and less useful to anyone (Lleras Rangers, newbies, Centro rats and facebook jockeys included). It's an exercise in subjectivity with no meaningful reference absent photos. It's ok because it fills dead space and always plays itself out within a couple of days. I'm going to jump on the bandwagon with my standard declaration that for me there are zero fucks given for whatever anybody pays or thinks they should pay.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

I been informed by someone that just got back from, medellin, that these prices members have posted recently for the medellin market are way off, well maybe not for the basic average looking girls but for the curvy model like girls 9's-10's of today's standards (pretty face, thick legs, flat stomach, big tits & ass) those are more in the range of $100-$150 usd. He said even the parque lleras street girls that come close to a 9 by the same standards will turn down 300 k now. So I could be wrong but my theory is these prices of 200 k-350 k cop are most likely being quoted by basic average looking girls to mongers here and not the top of the creme. Like I mentioned in my last comment a 9 or 10 could be a stick (a girl with no ass or tits) to other members on this board so just keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]Like a lot of things in Medellin the price is going to be determined by where and how you meet the girl. Also if you are into the more curvy model type than Cali or even the DR will cater to you more.

[QUOTE=Bluat;2769136]For the knock offs it ranged from $20 k to $65 k depending on the design and quality. Most basic going for $35 or $40 k.[/QUOTE]Did you see any designer belts?

I think you hit the nail on the head. You know how this goes though, guys go to Kenya and complain they can't find blondes and go to Eastern Europe and complain there aren't enough black girls.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2769189]Like a lot of things in Medellin the price is going to be determined by where and how you meet the girl. Also if you are into the more curvy model type than Cali or even the DR will cater to you more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769205]Did you see any designer belts?[/QUOTE]Yes but they weren't real leather at least the ones I saw.

[QUOTE=Cerevro;2769015]Can anyone please recommend a nice hotel in El Poblado area?

It will be my first time hinting down there and I want a nice hotel near a fun area.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi Cerevro,

I have been to Medellin several times, and I like staying at a nice, monger / guest friendly hotel called Hotel Du Parc. It is a couple of short blocks from all of the action near Parque Lleras. It is a 4 star hotel. Many other hotels are not guest friendly that are nicer.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769205]Did you see any designer belts?[/QUOTE]They have them but I would be cautious of belts / shoes, I have never been impressed with the quality.

[QUOTE=Cerevro;2769015]Can anyone please recommend a nice hotel in El Poblado area?

It will be my first time hinting down there and I want a nice hotel near a fun area.

Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://hotelduparc.com.co/?partner=5134&utm_source=google&utm_medium=gmb&utm_campaign=web_link[/URL]

[URL]https://havenmedellin.com/[/URL]

Both these two are near the action and chica friendly. Please report back your experiences after your visit to El Poblado.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a [b]basic looking[/b] chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point...[/QUOTE]That is your problem. Many experience mongers don't look for best looking chick. Many look for best experience. Many may start with best looking but eventually upgrade to best experience.

Many here are having sex daily with different girls. There aren't that many good looking chicks to go around. If I have 10 regulars, I am just going to upgrade based on experience, not based on look because the look wears off after a few times.

I met someone who I consider hot and I paid for it. The sex was average. After a few times, I offer a big raise to see if I can get the performance I want and she responded right away. But she said she would try. I basically say trying is not good enough since I have been trying already. The logic tells me to have both great sex and hot girl is not that common, not that something you can have frequently.

The information your friend told you have been posted here many times, including by me.

You are not going to find someone like this in the picture easily in Medellin. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2769333]That is your problem. Many experience mongers don't look for best looking chick. Many look for best experience. Many may start with best looking but eventually upgrade to best experience.[/QUOTE]After you have so many chicks under your belt, only searching for the best better than basic looking one is pretty mundane. It is kind of like the guy that finally gets his hands on some money has to buy all the flashy jewelry, clothes, and cars, but the mf that is used to money you don't see him needing all these trinkets. The guys that are not chasing the chicks that he has to have have been there and done that and realize it is nothing special.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

I been informed by someone that just got back from, medellin, that these prices members have posted recently for the medellin market are way off, well maybe not for the basic average looking girls but for the curvy model like girls 9's-10's of today's standards (pretty face, thick legs, flat stomach, big tits & ass) those are more in the range of $100-$150 usd. He said even the parque lleras street girls that come close to a 9 by the same standards will turn down 300 k now. So I could be wrong but my theory is these prices of 200 k-350 k cop are most likely being quoted by basic average looking girls to mongers here and not the top of the creme. Like I mentioned in my last comment a 9 or 10 could be a stick (a girl with no ass or tits) to other members on this board so just keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]I've been doing this for awhile, helping guys find their feet in Medellin. Usually I enjoy it and I've met a lot of great guys along the way. However, there are times when I just want to scream.

Here you are, don't know the difference between Robledo and Poblado, or the difference between ajiaco and sancocho, but you know what girls everyone settles for based upon their age? You don't even know what a "basic looking chick" looks like (or apparently a model type), but you know how much each girl in Medellin will charge?

Below are some random basic looking girls from Medellin. Depending on my mood, I'd take any of them if I wanted someone on short notice, but wouldn't spend over 200 k. Your theory isn't a theory. It's a wild ass guess based on input from 1 person who might have no clue.

The price of pussy isn't set. It can vary greatly. A girl who tells you 500 k, may well take 200-250 k from me. A girl who told you 400 k yesterday might take 150 k tomorrow. Shit, I know a girl who fucks me for free, crazy PSE, GFE sex, but she won't take less than 300 k for a plain session from you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2769343]The guys that are not chasing the chicks that he has to have have been there and done that and realize it is nothing special.[/QUOTE]I quite like the wine analogy. You can spend what you want on wine these days. Say Usd 3 to usd 100 and more. People will tell you (espec the win producer) that the usd 100 bottle is the best there is, that you will enjoy it the most. Well, I have tried usd 100 bottles, and whilst I quite enjoyed them, mostly I found them a waste of money because I can find my own pleasure in usd 5 bottles. And obviously buy more of them.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769012]Yeah, see to me it makes no sense to pay to have sex with a basic looking chick. If I'm going to pay for it, she better be model quality. If I want average, I just hit up a local bar or club. But I can see why older mongers are ok with basic looking girls, which brings me to my next point.

[/QUOTE]I'm picky as hell. I agree it makes no sense to pay to have sex with basic looking chicks and that's a high % of the chicas in MDE (or anywhere) regardless of venue. That said, I have no problem getting a hot-looking chica for 200 k - 250 k pesos. The prices you are quoting are ridiculous, unless the chica is a legitimate personality, like a newscaster or something of that nature.

And why TF are you talking USD here?

Back to the pathetic pissing contests. Bunch of pathetic loser psycho attention working girls.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2769442]Back to the pathetic pissing contests. Bunch of pathetic losers.[/QUOTE]"Back to"? Am not sure which part of the forum you read but I must have missed that part. This is a monger forum. Its always been full of pissing contests and pathetic losers. That is its purpose. Why would you expect any different?

[QUOTE=Combo;2769423]The prices you are quoting are ridiculous, unless the chica is a legitimate personality, like a newscaster or something of that nature.
?[/QUOTE]That made me laugh out loud. I was trying to imagine why a newscaster would be a sex worker. And where. On her twitter account ot twitch? What next, a prime minister, a pro-circuit tennis player, a famous reggaeton singer, I wonder what Natti Natasha goes for these days?

It seems like the majority of casas are in el centro. Are there any casas near parque lleras?

[QUOTE=Combo;2769423]I'm picky as hell. I agree it makes no sense to pay to have sex with basic looking chicks and that's a high % of the chicas in MDE (or anywhere) regardless of venue. That said, I have no problem getting a hot-looking chica for 200 k - 250 k pesos. The prices you are quoting are ridiculous, unless the chica is a legitimate personality, like a newscaster or something of that nature.

And why TF are you talking USD here?[/QUOTE]Well if you actually read my post carefully you would have known that's what someone who just came back from medellin last week told me. He said the hotter upscale girls aren't stupid anymore like you think anymore, they will try to quote you in USD. You have to remember now, some of these girls are making more now thanks to simps on Onlyfans. It ain't like it used to be before the internet. They are catching on to the prices that are being paid in other countries. So like I said I could be wrong but I will see for myself when I get there next month. Oh and well you all most be some handsome smooth talking Mf's if you can land a chick like at isa cardenason as an example which is my opinion of what a (non basic girl looks like) for 250 k or below which is about what $50 usd now? Yeah I would have to call BS on that I'm sorry LOL, but like I said I'll see for myself next month.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769462]...And where....[/QUOTE]It is possible. There is a catalog that one has to pay deposit in the millions COP range to see. Not for losers for sure. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2769395]I've been doing this for awhile, helping guys find their feet in Medellin. Usually I enjoy it and I've met a lot of great guys along the way. However, there are times when I just want to scream.

Here you are, don't know the difference between Robledo and Poblado, or the difference between ajiaco and sancocho, but you know what girls everyone settles for based upon their age? You don't even know what a "basic looking chick" looks like (or apparently a model type), but you know how much each girl in Medellin will charge?

Below are some random basic looking girls from Medellin. Depending on my mood, I'd take any of them if I wanted someone on short notice, but wouldn't spend over 200 k. Your theory isn't a theory. It's a wild ass guess based on input from 1 person who might have no clue.

The price of pussy isn't set. It can vary greatly. A girl who tells you 500 k, may well take 200-250 k from me. A girl who told you 400 k yesterday might take 150 k tomorrow. Shit, I know a girl who fucks me for free, crazy PSE, GFE sex, but she won't take less than 300 k for a plain session from you.[/QUOTE]I've just have to say, nice answer.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2769175]A couple of years ago, during the pandemic, I met a model who was very close to a 9, I used to pay her around 350 k per date, 1 year later when I hit her up again, she wanted 1 million and wouldn't budge. I Many of them travel internationally, and are always out of town. Any 8's and 9's that we ocassionally see at a place like La Isla, or online, are just breadcrumbs.[/QUOTE]BTW if you all really want 10's see below or PM me. Not cheap.

I have been here too long. Taking off this evening (Saturday) and finish next few days with sessions with girls I recruited.

MiamiBoy1 understands. I have models trying to refer their "friends" that used to be 400/600 cop 7 months ago and now want 900 cop / 1,200 cop. In the USA they would be $1,000, not worth it.

I stayed at Haven Hotel last week with a balcony facing Calle 10. Till yesterday. Binoculars provided much entertainment. . now at Dann Carlton.

Calle 10 - Last Sunday had over 100 SW's. Some ugly, some fat and some too good looking to be out on the streets. So I walked around and found the best were going up into Envy rooftop. WOW a few 10's. Blondes. Very well dressed. I thought I was in Miami. Monday. Wednesday slower. Then last night crazy busy. People say the girls are trying to get $200 USD. I say BS. 300 avg. The ones I met are worth it.

Gustos was blah. Lleras under construction but just like before. Mixture of all kinds of girls. Average 4's- 8's Music blaring too make everyone feel like this is the place to party. Nada.

La Isla- last weekend was slow but still well worth going. Last night I think was a record. Close to 150 girls. A lot of 9's maybe five 10's I shit you not. Oh and there were guppies feeding off the fools throwing bags of $2 cop bills in the air. The hippo girls were 5 deep (maybe 30 or 40 of them.) grabbing for those bills, making the guys feel like they were the kings of Colombia strip clubs. Except the hot girls would not approach or give them any attention. Something different which made it easier for me to find the better fish. LOL 400 COP in house out call available. I got their numbers. Thanks to the distraction rom the guys throwing money, thinning the herd.

Fase Dos. Less expensive, still good quality girls. (bring your own lube and condoms) 300 COP plus tips.

Lotron - 12 +/- girls 300 COP place is beautiful but difficult for cab drivers or uber to find. Get a private driver and make him wait.

El Centro. Not going back. Dangerous and very low quality. I know YMMV.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2769508]I have models trying to refer their "friends" that used to be 400/600 cop 7 months ago and now want 900 cop / 1,200 cop. In the USA they would be $1,000, not worth it.

Calle 10 - Last Sunday had over 100 SW's. People say the girls are trying to get $200 USD. I say BS. 300 avg. The ones I met are worth it.[/QUOTE]Why would they not be worth $1000 in the USA but worth $300 in Colombia? The cost of living in the USA is higher in the USA and would warrant the price difference. Would $1500 rent in the USA not be worth it in comparison to a similar place in Colombia that is going for $500?

Who are these people that say the girls are trying to get $200? Why do you say BS $300 average? Did you ask them at all? Because from your report it seems that you did not ask and are only guessing they want $300. You did not say I asked 3 and they wanted $500 and asked 1 that wanted $200 and asked one more that only wanted $100. You just "say" $300 for no apparent reason.

Were the ones you met worth it or the ones you fucked worth it? Because how could you tell if they were worth it had you not obtained and paid for their services?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769462]That made me laugh out loud. I was trying to imagine why a newscaster would be a sex worker. And where. [/QUOTE]My question is why would a newscaster be worth that much to fuck. If I am looking for a painter to paint my house and they will do it for an average $500 and someone says well here is a newscaster that will do it for $1000, I would be baffled. Sure give the the newscaster to paint over the professional painter that charges half as much.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769462]That made me laugh out loud. I was trying to imagine why a newscaster would be a sex worker. And where. On her twitter account ot twitch? What next, a prime minister, a pro-circuit tennis player, a famous reggaeton singer, I wonder what Natti Natasha goes for these days?[/QUOTE]TK, when Argentina collapsed in the 2000 to 2004 years, I was there. The currency went from one Argentine peso to the dollar to three, and many people could not only get money from their bank, and if they could it had been cut by 2/3. This was with everyone. So many people were without money, it made Argentina one of the best mongering scenes in the world then.

I did not know any better back then and did a tour with some company. They put us up in the Alvear palace, one of the world's supposed top hotels. Prior to the trip, I had been in a cheaper and IMO better hotel in BA and had played in the clubs Black and Madaho's and was amazed at the quantity and quality of the women. I was told by one of the women that the concierge at Alvear palace had a black book of Argentine celebrities including newscasters and athletes that were willing to do pay for play.

I did ask the concierge and saw the book but I did not partake. I had heard about banging newscasters, and it would make sense the palace had them. It would hardly be a scandal if these women were seen around the Alvear Palace right? And AP personnel would be discreet.

As to why, I will say that men like their trophy fucks. I have been with women from Penthouse and Playboy and was completely underwhelmed. On the other hand, I have been with porn stars who really were in the business because they like sex and they rocked my world. The ones in porn for money were terrible. I did not ask but I assumed you would have paid USA porn star rates for said women in Argentina.

As to why the women would do it, there is drug use or maybe just a need for dollars. If you are paying for say a kid going to a school in the USA or Europe, you were paying 3 X as much in 2003 as 2000 and had to make up that shortfall. The same is true of Colombia now but not to that extent. If you are Colombian, you are paying 30 or 40% more now than you were in 2019 because of the falling COP right?

And there is a bit of that verboten feeling about banging a newscaster with her stoic attitude and attempted male sounding voice right? If a guy told me he had banged such a woman and cum all over her face, I have to say I would give him a high five and shout "You the man!" I am not sure why that is. Maybe it is because it is point for men in the battle of the sexes?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769480]Well if you actually read my post carefully you would have known that's what someone who just came back from medellin last week told me. He said the hotter upscale girls aren't stupid anymore like you think anymore, they will try to quote you in USD. You have to remember now, some of these girls are making more now thanks to simps on Onlyfans. It ain't like it used to be before the internet. They are catching on to the prices that are being paid in other countries. So like I said I could be wrong but I will see for myself when I get there next month. Oh and well you all most be some handsome smooth talking Mf's if you can land a chick like at isa cardenason as an example which is my opinion of what a (non basic girl looks like) for 250 k or below which is about what $50 usd now? Yeah I would have to call BS on that I'm sorry LOL, but like I said I'll see for myself next month.[/QUOTE]Why would the price of chicas in other countries be relevant to the price in Colombia? If a girl wants to start charging a higher price, I simply move on. 1000's of girls turn 18 everyday in Medellin, I'm not tripping.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2769508]BTW if you all really want 10's see below or PM me. Not cheap.[/QUOTE]Don, your inbox is full. Am here thru Tuesday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2769576]My question is why would a newscaster be worth that much to fuck. If I am looking for a painter to paint my house and they will do it for an average $500 and someone says well here is a newscaster that will do it for $1000, I would be baffled. [/QUOTE]Well, I have a little fantasy to FK a Colombian policewoman up the AR $e when she is fully clothed in uniform. I would pay extra for that. Maybe some guys have similar fantasies about newscasters that work in foriegn countries and whiich they have probably never seen before nor heard speak?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2769508]

I have models trying to refer their "friends" that used to be 400/600 cop 7 months ago and now want 900 cop / 1,200 cop. In the USA they would be $1,000, not worth it.

[/QUOTE]I would gladly pay 1 million COP for a true 9 or 10, model type. Thats only 200 USD. Good deal, especially considering going rates for models in the USA To me, totally worth it. And speaking of performance or overall experience, there is no way to find out if she is a dud or a rockstar in bed until you try her out. If she is a dud, I move on without regrets. If she is great, I gladly repeat with her.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769462]That made me laugh out loud. I was trying to imagine why a newscaster would be a sex worker. And where. On her twitter account ot twitch? What next, a prime minister, a pro-circuit tennis player, a famous reggaeton singer, I wonder what Natti Natasha goes for these days?[/QUOTE]It's not completely unheard of. Wasn't there an Olympic athlete some years ago who was working as a prostitute? You probably won't find any network anchors selling mattress dances, but you might uncover some local TV personalities who are moonlighting.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769480]Well if you actually read my post carefully you would have known that's what someone who just came back from medellin last week told me. He said the hotter upscale girls aren't stupid anymore like you think anymore, they will try to quote you in USD. You have to remember now, some of these girls are making more now thanks to simps on Onlyfans. It ain't like it used to be before the internet. They are catching on to the prices that are being paid in other countries. So like I said I could be wrong but I will see for myself when I get there next month. Oh and well you all most be some handsome smooth talking Mf's if you can land a chick like at isa cardenason as an example which is my opinion of what a (non basic girl looks like) for 250 k or below which is about what $50 usd now? Yeah I would have to call BS on that I'm sorry LOL, but like I said I'll see for myself next month.[/QUOTE]When I was preparing for my first trip to Medellin, someone was reporting there were girls quoting prices in US dollars. He said the hotter girls weren't stupid anymore. You have to remember some of the girls are making big money on webcams. Yada, Yada, Yada.

The fact that someone called them "upscale" should have tipped you off. That girl asking for $300 USD grew up with and probably still lives next to a girl who's getting 30 k in El Centro. At times, the girl who makes 30 k in El Centro is standing right next to her friend and asking for $300 too.

There aren't many "upscale" hookers in Medellin. They come from the same neighborhoods, went to the same schools and eat the same arroz and huevos when money is tight. With very few exceptions, they aren't driving BMW's and living in Poblado penthouses. They're riding the bus or taking the metro and taking cold showers (without a shower head). Some ask for more, sometimes. Most of them also accept a lot less if they need money and aren't finding any customers.

When I search for Isa Cardenas I get a lot of different options, none of which looked especially appealing, just the basic type you can see anywhere in Medellin. Perhaps some link would clarify it. However, if she's someone popular on social media, the pictures you're looking at are 50-75% her and 25-50% makeup, filters and lighting. Unless she's been surgically enhanced, in which case swap those numbers.

You don't have to be handsome and you don't need to be a smooth talker. You just need to be real, confident and able to show some empathy. Some guys act as if a pretty face and nice tits turn a girl into Wonder Woman. Nope. Chances are she's hiding a lot of insecurity under that makeup. She doesn't look in the mirror and transform into a confident woman, ready to conquer the world. Instead she stares and wonders if she's good enough. All any guy has to do is to convince her she is.

BTW, you say "before the internet" like it's a new thing. I first found and fucked a girl completely from an online source in 1991. They've had internet in Colombia for quite a few years now. The girls selling pussy today grew up with it. They didn't just stumble upon it last week.

The combative "you guys don't know anything" stance is quite attractive. I'm sure it will work wonders for you when you finally arrive.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769621]Well, I have a little fantasy to FK a Colombian policewoman up the AR $e when she is fully clothed in uniform. I would pay extra for that. Maybe some guys have similar fantasies about newscasters that work in foriegn countries and whiich they have probably never seen before nor heard speak?[/QUOTE]Wouldn't that be impossible? You're going to need to at least get those pants down.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2769624]I would gladly pay 1 million COP for a true 9 or 10, model type. Thats only 200 USD. Good deal, especially considering going rates for models in the USA To me, totally worth it. And speaking of performance or overall experience, there is no way to find out if she is a dud or a rockstar in bed until you try her out. If she is a dud, I move on without regrets. If she is great, I gladly repeat with her.[/QUOTE]I'll go for the first time in Colombia next March and I really want mmonger only young sexy ladies! I love the top, and I want only the top! I'm ready to spend about 300 dollars everyday! If the girl is really sexy and young 18/25, and if she accepts to fuck bareback, I'm re.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2769624]I would gladly pay 1 million COP for a true 9 or 10, model type. Thats only 200 USD. Good deal, especially considering going rates for models in the USA To me, totally worth it. And speaking of performance or overall experience, there is no way to find out if she is a dud or a rockstar in bed until you try her out. If she is a dud, I move on without regrets. If she is great, I gladly repeat with her.[/QUOTE]I'll go for the first time in Colombia next March and I really want monger only young sexy ladies! I love the top, and I want only the top! I'm ready to spend about 300 dollars everyday! If the girl is really sexy and young 18/25, and if she accepts to fuck bareback, I'm ready to pay 300 dollars without anby hesitation.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2769624]I would gladly pay 1 million COP for a true 9 or 10, model type. Thats only 200 USD. Good deal, especially considering going rates for models in the USA To me, totally worth it. And speaking of performance or overall experience, there is no way to find out if she is a dud or a rockstar in bed until you try her out. If she is a dud, I move on without regrets. If she is great, I gladly repeat with her.[/QUOTE]You are getting finessed, you can get those girls for around half the price.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769621]Well, I have a little fantasy to FK a Colombian policewoman up the AR $e when she is fully clothed in uniform. I would pay extra for that. Maybe some guys have similar fantasies about newscasters that work in foriegn countries and whiich they have probably never seen before nor heard speak?[/QUOTE]Seeing that I have dated police chicks in the US, Brazil, Colombia, and Dominican Republic I just don't see the big deal about fucking someone because of their normal job. I also used to date a chick in Peru that had her own TV show. She was one of those psychic advice people. Also 3 days ago I fucked a chick in Barranquilla that was on some fat chicks reality show recently if that accounts for anything. Just normal ass people to me.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2769674]You are getting finessed, you can get those girls for around half the price.[/QUOTE]I would love to save 50%, but I think we have different definitions of a 9 or 10. Please enlighten me where you find 9's and 10's for 100 USD.

BTW, the rates I was talking about are TLN rates. I rarely do 1-3 hrs dates, and when I do, I negotiate the rates down.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2769682]I would love to save 50%, but I think we have different definitions of a 9 or 10. Please enlighten me where you find 9's and 10's for 100 USD.

BTW, the rates I was talking about are TLN rates. I rarely do 1-3 hrs dates, and when I do, I negotiate the rates down.[/QUOTE]Seeking, High end restaurants / bars / clubs they work at, gyms, the malls. Beyond that you are going to have to venture out into the barrios which from the way you post I doubt you'll be comfortable with that. Like I said before girls turn 18 everyday in Medellin, no way in hell I'm giving them 1 million pesos or more. If I really have to have her all night I'll toss her 500k and if she won't accept it her cousin/sister/friend will.

Hey brothers,

Has anyone been able to put away a coffee girl?

If it is possible, how did you go about it? What was the cost? BBFS possible?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2769658]

You don't have to be handsome and you don't need to be a smooth talker. You just need to be real, confident and able to show some empathy. Some guys act as if a pretty face and nice tits turn a girl into Wonder Woman. Nope. Chances are she's hiding a lot of insecurity under that makeup. She doesn't look in the mirror and transform into a confident woman, ready to conquer the world. Instead she stares and wonders if she's good enough. All any guy has to do is to convince her she is.

[/QUOTE]No truer words have been written on this site. These girls are very secure, even though many try to act like they are not. The worst are the "so called" model types, because strip away their make-up and fake hair, they are often not as attractive as a natural girl next door. They prop themselves up with implants, fake eyebrows, fake eyelashes, lipo, and all kinds of other crazy cosmetic stuff. Not really what I'm looking for, that's for sure. As JjBee said prop up her insecurity and be nice and the world can be your oyster. Maybe not with every girl, but with a lot of good, quality girls.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2769640]It's not completely unheard of. Wasn't there an Olympic athlete some years ago who was working as a prostitute? You probably won't find any network anchors selling mattress dances, but you might uncover some local TV personalities who are moonlighting.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was a University of Wisconsin track star that became an Olympic athlete. She worked for "Blue Secrets" an agency in Las Vegas. I was a regular client with Blue Secrets and they had to close down the agency when that scandal made national news. They have since reorganized as 100 proof Las Vegas.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769480]Well if you actually read my post carefully you would have known that's what someone who just came back from medellin last week told me. He said the hotter upscale girls aren't stupid anymore like you think anymore, they will try to quote you in USD. You have to remember now, some of these girls are making more now thanks to simps on Onlyfans. It ain't like it used to be before the internet. They are catching on to the prices that are being paid in other countries. So like I said I could be wrong but I will see for myself when I get there next month. Oh and well you all most be some handsome smooth talking Mf's if you can land a chick like at isa cardenason as an example which is my opinion of what a (non basic girl looks like) for 250 k or below which is about what $50 usd now? Yeah I would have to call BS on that I'm sorry LOL, but like I said I'll see for myself next month.[/QUOTE]Hey Anthony welcome. I don't post much but have been coming to Medellin quite a few years and have spent a few winters here. Just want to let you know some of the best chicas Medellin has to offer are available for 250 mil COP. So don't come here with the mindset that you need to pay what YOU think it's worth (or some other crazy big baller spender). Pay the going rate. BTW in all my years here the only time I've ever had a chica quote me a price in dollars rather than COP was once in Gustos. And yeah I don't hang around Parque Lleras much so maybe you'll hear dolllars around there. I'm usually talking to chicas on Facebook. But anyhow you would be well advised to be thinking and talking prices in terms of pesos rather than dollars. And 250 mil will have them coming to you. I really look forward to reading your real world reports after you hit the ground. Have fun!

5 ISGers all agreed to meet (new record?) at La Isla Club on Friday night. Some with past xp some first timers. There may have been a 6th or 7th ISGer in the building with another group we'll never know.

Here's some notes itemizing:

Taxi 30 k each way.

Cover 50 k.

Bottle service 800 k.

Did not get individual drink prices.

4 am after party upstairs 30 k (opted out!

Hand out 2 k singles, bar on back will break larger bills.

Girls in stripper attire roam in packs of three going table to table, pack leader carries clear plastic tote to put their combined propina earnings in after each table.

Girls in dress attire hunt for high rollers for fichas.

Random t-shirt cannon fires 2 k singles straight upward in concentrated radius, causing girls to swarm in like locusts mosh pit royale.

Must be a high roller to make this place worth while, got the curiosity part out of my system.

Did not get exact price / breakdown of getting girls into privado, and these girls looked pretty high maintenance.

Saw about 4 girls of 100+ that fit my type but they were reeled in by other tables (lame). EDIT: I'm a little picky maybe 12/100 would be a better number for other hobbyists

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2769658] There aren't many "upscale" hookers in Medellin. They come from the same neighborhoods, went to the same schools and eat the same arroz and huevos when money is tight.

When I search for Isa Cardenas I get a lot of different options, none of which looked especially appealing, just the basic type you can see anywhere in Medellin. Perhaps some link would clarify it. However, if she's someone popular on social media, the pictures you're looking at are 50-75% her and 25-50% makeup, filters and lighting. Unless she's been surgically enhanced, in which case swap those numbers. [/QUOTE]I just saw my post and noticed the typo, look up isacardenas1485 on instagram. I'm not putting this chick on pedestal and I'm not saying its not possible that a chick like her would take 250 k or less. I'm just simply saying that I doubt it. Doesn't matter how good looking I am or how charming I can be LOL, I'm just saying from my past experience's of "randomly" encountering a woman that "appears" to look upscale (she could be eating rice and beans everyday like you said and taking cold showers) I have not come acrosss one who would accept less 50 usd nor would I even propose such amount LOL. I'm just not going to get my hopes up because a lot of people here are making it seem like we can get 9's and 10's for chump change. Just FYI if you go on instagram and look up upscale restaurants in medellin for example " relato " you can find some "upscale" hookers taking pics there.

Spa xp, other trip highlights on separate post, this is just spa casas.

Day 1.

Tried spa route on Mileroticos.

Found a few places, first went to Eros Spa, out unpack one passing grade girl, was quoted 120 k for 1 hour 2 pops and BBBJ. But me being me, wanted to see if grass greener other side of hill before pulling trigger (I've personally been cultured melded by Tijuana / Athens) so I thanked them BUT they demanded 10 k for browsing / timewaster fee (WTF 6 continents never had a browse fee (Hope Athens doesn't pick up).

Next place to peek was Erotica Spa, they were adamant about confirm time and which girl, don't just show up.

Picked Sarita. Looked nothing like pics. Was quoted 140 k for hour plus girl wanted 70 k for BBBJ. Reminded them online promo said 120 k also haggled offered 40 k for the BBBJ or I walk and she agreed.

DFK and finger bang were allowed but sadly DATY was not. Also she was an import from VZ not a Colombiana. Okay nothing to write home about but for 160 k that's that.

Gambled and came up short.

Day 2.

Chased another ad that said independent with place, backdoor included 110 k. Went there. On Uber dropoff, map said "Spa Energias" I go inside they inform its a spa, I showed chat they said Oh that girl is out today, but here's our available lineup. Nothing good walked out no fee, headed to Eros Spa.

The cute girl from yesterday wasn't there but there was a decent pick on hand quoted 110 k 1 hour 2 pops BBBJ so I went all in. Young next door vibe 50 50 Latina afro look. She was also a Vennie import. Was promised DFK and DATY. No DATY, no kissing, hand covered her tits entire time just mish. While recharging for Round 2 (why bother TBH) one of her co-workers burst into room me stark, she needs her coke fix so girl I'm with gets her some she snorts on spot then leaves.

Round 2 was a hand job.

Day 3 (in progress) just doing civilian activities.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2769719]Hey Anthony welcome. I don't post much but have been coming to Medellin quite a few years and have spent a few winters here. Just want to let you know some of the best chicas Medellin has to offer are available for 250 mil COP. So don't come here with the mindset that you need to pay what YOU think it's worth (or some other crazy big baller spender). Pay the going rate. BTW in all my years here the only time I've ever had a chica quote me a price in dollars rather than COP was once in Gustos. And yeah I don't hang around Parque Lleras much so maybe you'll hear dolllars around there. I'm usually talking to chicas on Facebook. But anyhow you would be well advised to be thinking and talking prices in terms of pesos rather than dollars. And 250 mil will have them coming to you. I really look forward to reading your real world reports after you hit the ground. Have fun![/QUOTE]I appreciate the kind words thank you. Thank's for your advice as well. That's what this site should represent, not pissing contests like someone else mentioned. I will most certainly like to report back once I touch ground. I understand we all have different tastes, in Tijuana I've had plenty of fun with 9's and a few 10's for 100 usd. I'm sure as I get older looks won't matter as much. For now I can only speak for people around my age (35) and maybe they can relate. It's all good, I hope to find all MDE has to offer and report back.

I must say your experience is paying off. You are doing much better than many first timers.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2769727]Spa xp, other trip highlights on separate post, this is just spa casas.

Day 1.

Tried spa route on Mileroticos.

Found a few places, first went to Eros Spa, out unpack one passing grade girl, was quoted 120 k for 1 hour 2 pops and BBBJ. But me being me, wanted to see if grass greener other side of hill before pulling trigger (I've personally been cultured melded by Tijuana / Athens) so I thanked them BUT they demanded 10 k for browsing / timewaster fee (WTF 6 continents never had a browse fee (Hope Athens doesn't pick up).

Next place to peek was Erotica Spa, they were adamant about confirm time and which girl, don't just show up.

Picked Sarita. Looked nothing like pics. Was quoted 140 k for hour plus girl wanted 70 k for BBBJ. Reminded them online promo said 120 k also haggled offered 40 k for the BBBJ or I walk and she agreed.

DFK and finger bang were allowed but sadly DATY was not. Also she was an import from VZ not a Colombiana. Okay nothing to write home about but for 160 k that's that.

Gambled and came up short.

Day 2.

Chased another ad that said independent with place, backdoor included 110 k. Went there. On Uber dropoff, map said "Spa Energias" I go inside they inform its a spa, I showed chat they said Oh that girl is out today, but here's our available lineup. Nothing good walked out no fee, headed to Eros Spa.

The cute girl from yesterday wasn't there but there was a decent pick on hand quoted 110 k 1 hour 2 pops BBBJ so I went all in. Young next door vibe 50 50 Latina afro look. She was also a Vennie import. Was promised DFK and DATY. No DATY, no kissing, hand covered her tits entire time just mish. While recharging for Round 2 (why bother TBH) one of her co-workers burst into room me stark, she needs her coke fix so girl I'm with gets her some she snorts on spot then leaves.

Round 2 was a hand job.

Day 3 (in progress) just doing civilian activities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2769723]5 ISGers all agreed to meet (new record?) at La Isla Club on Friday night. Some with past xp some first timers. There may have been a 6th or 7th ISGer in the building with another group we'll never know.

Here's some notes itemizing:

Taxi 30 k each way.

Cover 50 k.

Bottle service 800 k.

Did not get individual drink prices.

4 am after party upstairs 30 k (opted out!

Hand out 2 k singles, bar on back will break larger bills.

Girls in stripper attire roam in packs of three going table to table, pack leader carries clear plastic tote to put their combined propina earnings in after each table.

Girls in dress attire hunt for high rollers for fichas.

Random t-shirt cannon fires 2 k singles straight upward in concentrated radius, causing girls to swarm in like locusts mosh pit royale.

Must be a high roller to make this place worth while, got the curiosity part out of my system.

Did not get exact price / breakdown of getting girls into privado, and these girls looked pretty high maintenance.

Saw about 4 girls of 100+ that fit my type but they were reeled in by other tables (lame). EDIT: I'm a little picky maybe 12/100 would be a better number for other hobbyists[/QUOTE]400 k seems to be the going rate for chicas on site at La Isla these days.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2769745]400 k seems to be the going rate for chicas on site at La Isla these days.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong but I think the price is standard. I've never negotiated price there. The price has been 330 K with room. Though it's certainly possible the price has gone up in the last month or two.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769725]I just saw my post and noticed the typo, look up isacardenas1485 on instagram. I'm not putting this chick on pedestal and I'm not saying its not possible that a chick like her would take 250 k or less. I'm just simply saying that I doubt it. Doesn't matter how good looking I am or how charming I can be LOL, I'm just saying from my past experience's of "randomly" encountering a woman that "appears" to look upscale (she could be eating rice and beans everyday like you said and taking cold showers) I have not come acrosss one who would accept less 50 usd nor would I even propose such amount LOL. I'm just not going to get my hopes up because a lot of people here are making it seem like we can get 9's and 10's for chump change. Just FYI if you go on instagram and look up upscale restaurants in medellin for example " relato " you can find some "upscale" hookers taking pics there.[/QUOTE]I just looked at her Insta. Not too difficult to find in Medellin, although completely not my type. Silicone is for baking utensils. You're welcome to pay them whatever you want.

Yeah, about girls taking photos in upscale places, it's been remarked upon many times. If you stay in a nice place mist women will want to take some selfies. The Energy Living rooftop pool is a favorite of the girls. Doesn't mean anything. Lots of gringos stay and eat at nice places. Lots of gringos bring hookers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2769574]Why would they not be worth $1000 in the USA but worth $300 in Colombia? The cost of living in the USA is higher in the USA and would warrant the price difference. Would $1500 rent in the USA not be worth it in comparison to a similar place in Colombia that is going for $500?

Who are these people that say the girls are trying to get $200? Why do you say BS $300 average? Did you ask them at all? Because from your report it seems that you did not ask and are only guessing they want $300. You did not say I asked 3 and they wanted $500 and asked 1 that wanted $200 and asked one more that only wanted $100. You just "say" $300 for no apparent reason.

Were the ones you met worth it or the ones you fucked worth it? Because how could you tell if they were worth it had you not obtained and paid for their services?[/QUOTE]300 was cop not usd yes I asked, they wanted 300 cop on the street average. Do you need their names? But since I had already fucked some at 300-400 cop that were not sw I felt it was more than I needed. Curiosity killed the cat. It was an itch I had already taken care of. Getting more info for later & for you all. Taxi / Uber and others told me they were quoting $200 usd in Lleras. None quoted that much to me. I fail to understand the question about $1,000 usa escorts. IMHO they are not worth it. I have seen guys lay $10,000 in cash in front of a vegas stripper girl and she said no. Everyone experiences different things. Sorry you can hang out with me next time. Back in 3 months probably. One more post before I leave, ask anything.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2769666]I'll go for the first time in Colombia next March and I really want monger only young sexy ladies! I love the top, and I want only the top! I'm ready to spend about 300 dollars everyday! If the girl is really sexy and young 18/25, and if she accepts to fuck bareback, I'm ready to pay 300 dollars without anby hesitation.[/QUOTE]Why? If you just hesitate for a few minutes you'll have no trouble finding what you're looking for for $100 or less.

I can understand paying whatever price works for you, I just can't understand planning on paying 3-20 times the going rate before you've even looked at the menu.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769725].... Just FYI if you go on instagram and look up upscale restaurants in medellin for example " relato " you can find some "upscale" hookers taking pics there.[/QUOTE]I have been to that restaurant a few times. What makes you think they are hookers?

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2769610]Don, your inbox is full. Am here thru Tuesday.[/QUOTE]I leave Tuesday also. God bless Colombia. I will be ridiculed for saying this but once you see, meet and fuck 9's and 10's you look in the mirror and say WTF was I thinking? I could have done 20 El Centro girls instead. LOL. NOT.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2769723]5 ISGers all agreed to meet (new record?) at La Isla Club on Friday night. Some with past xp some first timers. There may have been a 6th or 7th ISGer in the building with another group we'll never know.

Here's some notes itemizing:

Taxi 30 k each way.

Cover 50 k.

Bottle service 800 k.

Did not get individual drink prices.

4 am after party upstairs 30 k (opted out!

Hand out 2 k singles, bar on back will break larger bills.

Girls in stripper attire roam in packs of three going table to table, pack leader carries clear plastic tote to put their combined propina earnings in after each table.

Girls in dress attire hunt for high rollers for fichas.

Random t-shirt cannon fires 2 k singles straight upward in concentrated radius, causing girls to swarm in like locusts mosh pit royale.

Must be a high roller to make this place worth while, got the curiosity part out of my system.

Did not get exact price / breakdown of getting girls into privado, and these girls looked pretty high maintenance.

Saw about 4 girls of 100+ that fit my type but they were reeled in by other tables (lame). EDIT: I'm a little picky maybe 12/100 would be a better number for other hobbyists[/QUOTE]I get it. 150 girls 50 ugly ones and idiots buying bottle service to land the top girls. I was in the back row drinking diet soda / been around these places (loving it) for years THE GUPPIES RUSH THE STAGE. THE GIRLS WORTH MEETING / fucking are on the sidelines. I just sent one home after a 3. 5 hour session here at the hotel. Pics will follow ASAP.

Girls wanted 400 cop inside the club. Brought one to my place 2 days later for 800 cop. (she just left) another comes tomorrow for 500 cop. You won't find them unless you try.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2769780]I get it. 150 girls 50 ugly ones and idiots buying bottle service to land the top girls. I was in the back row drinking diet soda / been around these places (loving it) for years THE GUPPIES RUSH THE STAGE. THE GIRLS WORTH MEETING / fucking are on the sidelines. I just sent one home after a 3. 5 hour session here at the hotel. Pics will follow ASAP.

Girls wanted 400 cop inside the club. Brought one to my place 2 days later for 800 cop. (she just left) another comes tomorrow for 500 cop. You won't find them unless you try.[/QUOTE]Would you share the service you got, and the success rate of negotiation to get what you want? Thank!

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2769727]..... No DATY, no kissing, hand covered her tits entire time just mish......[/QUOTE]It does not get much worse than this.

Relato is the #2 least expensive restaurant on the carrera 33 strip. El Tabun is the cheapest. El Botanico in my experience is the most popular for punters on dinner dates. Every spot along the strip has a good representation of punters wining and dining prepagos.

On a related note, I walked from an early dinner in Provenza down 10th Street to pick up some stuff at Carulla. I was struck by the presence of a scantily clad (Botero Plaza style) street walker standing on the north curb of 10th Street doing everything sort of waving down cars and pedestrians to get a date. I wonder if that will change when Lleras is back.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2769778]I have been to that restaurant a few times. What makes you think they are hookers?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769725] I have not come acrosss one who would accept less 50 usd [/QUOTE]Didn't we tell you to stop thinking in USD?

I learned something new today. As I expected (since it's happened before) the Plaza Botero security fence is now all gone. What I didn't realize is both this latest time and the last time barriers were installed around the plaza the fencing was stolen during nighttime hours. The local conservative newspaper has a major hard on for the progressive mayor of Medellin. It misses no opportunity to call him out and embarrass him. The newspaper gets a lot of help from the mayor himself. That fence cost a lot of money. To add insult to injury the police were able to reclaim some of the stolen metal in hardware stores around Prado where it was being sold as scrap. Today's article was illustrated by a photo of a street person fast asleep in the middle of the fountain near the Nutibara side of the plaza.

Last night I was sat in a bar, watching the world go by in Plaza Botero.

The sun was setting and many people were on their way home. There were tourists posing for photos with the statues, business people out for a bite to eat, locals out for a drink with friends, families with their children, students on their way home from college, lovers holding hands and laughing with each other. I saw children zoom past on their skateboards, vagrants collecting plastic or paper to sell as scrap, women begging for money with a baby strapped over a shoulder, homeless people passed out in a stupefied daze, girls of all colours, shapes and sizes, some waving me over, and no doubt some shady looking guys in the clone-Manrique outfits.

It struck me that El Centro is the centre of diversity in Medellin. You won't see such a melting point of ambitions together in one place anywhere else in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2769725]I just saw my post and noticed the typo, look up isacardenas1485 on instagram. I'm not putting this chick on pedestal and I'm not saying its not possible that a chick like her would take 250 k or less. I'm just simply saying that I doubt it. Doesn't matter how good looking I am or how charming I can be LOL, I'm just saying from my past experience's of "randomly" encountering a woman that "appears" to look upscale (she could be eating rice and beans everyday like you said and taking cold showers) I have not come acrosss one who would accept less 50 usd nor would I even propose such amount LOL. I'm just not going to get my hopes up because a lot of people here are making it seem like we can get 9's and 10's for chump change. Just FYI if you go on instagram and look up upscale restaurants in medellin for example " relato " you can find some "upscale" hookers taking pics there.[/QUOTE]That chick is a 7 at best without all the surgeries LOL like what is going on here.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2769780]Girls wanted 400 cop inside the club. Brought one to my place 2 days later for 800 cop. (she just left) another comes tomorrow for 500 cop. You won't find them unless you try.[/QUOTE]I think you left off a K or 000. I don't think you got a chica for 16 cents (800 cop).

Hi all,

Three questions:

1. Last time visited cartagena. Had a hard time finding chicas comfortable on camera. Any info on pornstars / OF girls or prepagos who allow video?

2. Another snag I ran into was being able to find two girls who would give a simultaneous double BJ. Any luck finding this in the spas?

3. Finding high follower count OF girls on insta. Has there been any luck sliding into dms? What is a good approach? Dinner first?

[QUOTE=WhiteAussieGuy;2769690]Hey brothers,

Has anyone been able to put away a coffee girl?

If it is possible, how did you go about it? What was the cost? BBFS possible?[/QUOTE]I did it once from the stairs to the metro; she was a vennie and charged me 30000 cop. ; good service for the price; did not ask for BB.

(QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2769579]TK, when Argentina collapsed in the 2000 to 2004 years, I was there. The currency went from one Argentine peso to the dollar to three, and many people could not only get money from their bank, and if they could it had been cut by 2/3. This was with everyone. So many people were without money, it made Argentina one of the best mongering scenes in the world then.).

Same for me in eastern Europe after the fall of the Berlin wall; that was heaven for cheap.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2769883]Relato is the #2 least expensive restaurant on the carrera 33 strip. El Tabun is the cheapest. El Botanico in my experience is the most popular for punters on dinner dates. Every spot along the strip has a good representation of punters wining and dining prepagos.
....[/QUOTE]My comment is based on observation and it has nothing to do with price or quality of the food. How do you tell the difference between high end escort from a normal girl based on selfie alone?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2769941]Last night I was sat in a bar, watching the world go by in Plaza Botero.

The sun was setting and many people were on their way home. There were tourists posing for photos with the statues, business people out for a bite to eat, locals out for a drink with friends, families with their children, students on their way home from college, lovers holding hands and laughing with each other. I saw children zoom past on their skateboards, vagrants collecting plastic or paper to sell as scrap, women begging for money with a baby strapped over a shoulder, homeless people passed out in a stupefied daze, girls of all colours, shapes and sizes, some waving me over, and no doubt some shady looking guys in the clone-Manrique outfits.

It struck me that El Centro is the centre of diversity in Medellin. You won't see such a melting point of ambitions together in one place anywhere else in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I was looking for travel scale a little more than a week ago. I could not find it in luggage store. An exito employee told me to go to the building across the back side of Veracruz church in El Centro. I found it there. There is even a floor that sells and repairs used remote. I constantly discover new things in this area. There is even a cluster of stores that sells perfume.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2769778]I have been to that restaurant a few times. What makes you think they are hookers?[/QUOTE]You see them wining and dining with older gringos. Or older Colombians. Dressed sexy, taking selfies. However they never post pics of their sugar daddies on IG. Almost always there is someone paying for their entertainment, someone they would never show on social media or introduce to family and friends.

BTW, relato is a nice place, been there a few times. El Botanico is nice too.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2770005]You see them wining and dining with older gringos. Or older Colombians. Dressed sexy, taking selfies. However they never post pics of their sugar daddies on IG. Almost always there is someone paying for their entertainment, someone they would never show on social media or introduce to family and friends.[/QUOTE]You got that right! Y'all better learn to invite yourselves into the pics. But I don't give a shit about that. I do not show the chicks that I do things with on social media and I do not need to be on theirs. Hell most people think a picture of my daughter and grandkids is my wife and kids. I am in San Andres now with my law school chick from Bogota, but as far as my social media goes I am here alone. I have been with my main girlfriend for over 5 years. She has never asked to be a part of my social media and I have never asked to be part of hers.

Does anyone know of an erotic spa that services men and women? Also something that I don't see a lot of posts on are agencies. It seems the best way to avoid a bad date would be to use an agency because they are vetted. Once you like the girl, you can get her number.

There is typically a noticeable gap in age and style of dress between the punter and prepago. The more sophisticated punters stay away from cargo shorts and sandals and the more experienced prepagos avoid overdressing and excessive makeup. The age gap is of course something that can't be finessed. It is the most reliable indicator but as another board member pointed out, the prepagos avoid sharing images of their more mature clients.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2769996]My comment is based on observation and it has nothing to do with price or quality of the food. How do you tell the difference between high end escort from a normal girl based on selfie alone?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2769883]Relato is the #2 least expensive restaurant on the carrera 33 strip. El Tabun is the cheapest. El Botanico in my experience is the most popular for punters on dinner dates. Every spot along the strip has a good representation of punters wining and dining prepagos.

On a related note, I walked from an early dinner in Provenza down 10th Street to pick up some stuff at Carulla. I was struck by the presence of a scantily clad (Botero Plaza style) street walker standing on the north curb of 10th Street doing everything sort of waving down cars and pedestrians to get a date. I wonder if that will change when Lleras is back.[/QUOTE]To your knowledge what is the most expensive restaurant? So it sounds like most of the establishments are hooker friendly.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2769942]That chick is a 7 at best without all the surgeries LOL like what is going on here.[/QUOTE]She was just 1 example of what a non basic chick looks like to me. I'm curious to see what your view of a 9 or 10 is? Got any names?

Does anybody have a clue if the construction currently going on in Parque Lleras is set to wrap up anytime soon or is it a bigger project that will continue into the foreseeable future? I kinda like the idea of hunting in the park compared to calle 10. Hopefully whenever the construction concludes the girls migrate back off the busy street.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2770083]To your knowledge what is the most expensive restaurant? So it sounds like most of the establishments are hooker friendly.[/QUOTE]The better establishments will have a dress code, not necessarily written, so if you show up in tow with a very young looking Tart scantily dressed, you may be turned away, and if not, will endure some glaring looks along with grins of approval maybe.

I think oci. Mde and Botanico are the two most expensive on the strip. Hooker friendly means different things to different people. The more a girl looks like a Centro street girl, the less friendly any restaurant will be.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2770083]To your knowledge what is the most expensive restaurant? So it sounds like most of the establishments are hooker friendly.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what you mean by bad date because there is no shortage of dissatisfied customers of agency and apartment girls. You only need to spend a few minutes on local review sites to see it. I am a Centro rat so on those occasions that I decide to turn my back on Centro I always vet the providers on review sites. I also make a point of leaving a review because I think it encourages the providers to perform well.

[QUOTE=MedellinLove;2770017]Does anyone know of an erotic spa that services men and women? Also something that I don't see a lot of posts on are agencies. It seems the best way to avoid a bad date would be to use an agency because they are vetted. Once you like the girl, you can get her number.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2770085]She was just 1 example of what a non basic chick looks like to me. I'm curious to see what your view of a 9 or 10 is? Got any names?[/QUOTE]Don't argue with these guys about looks, looks is very subjective and most of these guys from I've gathered don't like curvy booty luscious women. Their idea of a 9 or 10/10 is probably Taylor Swift who's skinny, mid in the face and flat as a pancake but white with blonde hair and blue eyes. If you look at the girls who charge the most in the you U.S that's the look that is able to charge $1 k+/ HR.

With that said [URL]https://angeles-spa-2.ola.click/products[/URL] click on the first girl "Naty" and I'd argue she's better looking than the girl you posted and charges $140 k / HR at that casa.

p.s Why has nobody reviewed Angeles spa yet? I'm sick and can't travel but this has been on my radar for quite some time but no reviews, come on guys are you just trying to keep this place a secret?

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2770249]Don't argue with these guys about looks, looks is very subjective and most of these guys from I've gathered don't like curvy booty luscious women. Their idea of a 9 or 10/10 is probably Taylor Swift who's skinny, mid in the face and flat as a pancake but white with blonde hair and blue eyes. If you look at the girls who charge the most in the you U.S that's the look that is able to charge $1 k+/ HR.

With that said [URL]https://angeles-spa-2.ola.click/products[/URL] click on the first girl "Naty" and I'd argue she's better looking than the girl you posted and charges $140 k / HR at that casa.

p.s Why has nobody reviewed Angeles spa yet? I'm sick and can't travel but this has been on my radar for quite some time but no reviews, come on guys are you just trying to keep this place a secret?[/QUOTE]I love the curvy big booty chicas, I'm just down with the excessive plastic surgery.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2770085]She was just 1 example of what a non basic chick looks like to me. I'm curious to see what your view of a 9 or 10 is? Got any names?[/QUOTE]A girl who naturally looks good and doesn't have 4+ surgeries done like the 1 you posted. To each their own but I would laugh in her face if she asked me for 500 k+ for a session.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2770249]Don't argue with these guys about looks, looks is very subjective . click on the first girl "Naty" and I'd argue she's better looking than the girl you posted and charges $140 k / HR at that casa.

p.s Why has nobody reviewed Angeles spa yet? [/QUOTE]Yeah she is a nice specimen. Where is Angeles Spa? If its in Centro, I might go and say Hello,.

Tell you what might be instructive, if someone posted a catalgue of girls and the various members rated them all. Just to see how subjective looks really are.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2770279]Yeah she is a nice specimen. Where is Angeles Spa? If its in Centro, I might go and say Hello,.

Tell you what might be instructive, if someone posted a catalgue of girls and the various members rated them all. Just to see how subjective looks really are.[/QUOTE]It's in Laureles, [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/laureles-estadio/un-grupo-de-chicas-hermosas-y-adictivas-id-nn2et[/URL] you can see where on the map below on that link and it looks like they have the best lineup of girls which is why i find it wierd how nobody have reviewed the place yet.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2770029]There is typically a noticeable gap in age and style of dress between the punter and prepago. The more sophisticated punters stay away from cargo shorts and sandals and the more experienced prepagos avoid overdressing and excessive makeup. The age gap is of course something that can't be finessed. It is the most reliable indicator but as another board member pointed out, the prepagos avoid sharing images of their more mature clients.[/QUOTE]You are confirming what I said or something else? You can't tell from a selfie is what I said.

I made factual observations for information sharing purposes.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2770307]You are confirming what I said or something else? You can't tell from a selfie is what I said.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoAdvent;2769979]Hi all,

Three questions:

1. Last time visited cartagena. Had a hard time finding chicas comfortable on camera. Any info on pornstars / OF girls or prepagos who allow video?[/QUOTE]99% of my FB girls in MDE allow video. With a new girl, I take it slow. It's not lights, camera, action from the get go. I ask to take some photos while they are fully clothed. As the clothes begin to come off, I ask to take photos of them in their underwear, while complimenting them on their figures. These girls love to pose for the camera. Then while we are fucking, I will take a short break and take some more photos. Sometimes they cover their faces with their hands, but soon all that goes out the window in the heat of the moment. I have taken full on videos of most of the girls I've been with in MDE. The trick is to take it slow and make it seem very normal.

So true, they are just normal people. Some of them are famous or in position of power but terrible fucks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2769680]Seeing that I have dated police chicks in the US, Brazil, Colombia, and Dominican Republic I just don't see the big deal about fucking someone because of their normal job. I also used to date a chick in Peru that had her own TV show. She was one of those psychic advice people. Also 3 days ago I fucked a chick in Barranquilla that was on some fat chicks reality show recently if that accounts for anything. Just normal ass people to me.[/QUOTE]

A board member reviewed a girl in that place not long ago. He did not share the address but it is this place. It is also pretty popular on the Colombian punter sites.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2770302]It's in Laureles, [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/laureles-estadio/un-grupo-de-chicas-hermosas-y-adictivas-id-nn2et[/URL] you can see where on the map below on that link and it looks like they have the best lineup of girls which is why i find it wierd how nobody have reviewed the place yet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2769680]Seeing that I have dated police chicks in the US, Brazil, Colombia, and Dominican Republic I just don't see the big deal about fucking someone because of their normal job.[/QUOTE]I don't agree its a normal job. I want her handcuffed face down over the bonnet of her car. Or more likely motorbike in Colombia. I want it to hurt her for the first few minutes and then her groans of pain turn to pleasure. And I want her boss on the radio, trying to contact her "Sergeant Alvarez, is that you? Are you okay? Please report your whereabouts. What's that noise?" And she will learn how it feels to be fkd in the arse for a change. ACAB.

Hi,

I am going to visit Medellin and have no idea where to go. It's my #1 visit (mongering). Could you recommend "must to visit" places; night clubs, action spots, casas.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2770241]I'm not sure what you mean by bad date because there is no shortage of dissatisfied customers of agency and apartment girls. You only need to spend a few minutes on local review sites to see it. I am a Centro rat so on those occasions that I decide to turn my back on Centro I always vet the providers on review sites. I also make a point of leaving a review because I think it encourages the providers to perform well.[/QUOTE]Can you give us some sites?

Any brothels or streetgirls at Buenos Aires neighborhood?

Please, Could anyone make a fresh report on casas, clubs, etc. It's a pussy forum. You are discussing exchange rate, how to save a few pennies, safety and everything else. Except pussy places.

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2770313]I made factual observations for information sharing purposes.[/QUOTE]Specific to Relato? This is practically in your face and they make sure the customers see it before entering the seating area. Personally, I think behavior speaks more volume than how you dress.

[QUOTE=OJeito;2770086]Does anybody have a clue if the construction currently going on in Parque Lleras is set to wrap up anytime soon or is it a bigger project that will continue into the foreseeable future? I kinda like the idea of hunting in the park compared to calle 10. Hopefully whenever the construction concludes the girls migrate back off the busy street.[/QUOTE]I read in an article it was supposed to be completed by October but now the last week of December. I wouldn't count on it.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2770249]Don't argue with these guys about looks, looks is very subjective and most of these guys from I've gathered don't like curvy booty luscious women. Their idea of a 9 or 10/10 is probably Taylor Swift who's skinny, mid in the face and flat as a pancake but white with blonde hair and blue eyes. If you look at the girls who charge the most in the you U.S that's the look that is able to charge $1 k+/ HR.

With that said [URL]https://angeles-spa-2.ola.click/products[/URL] click on the first girl "Naty" and I'd argue she's better looking than the girl you posted and charges $140 k / HR at that casa.

p.s Why has nobody reviewed Angeles spa yet? I'm sick and can't travel but this has been on my radar for quite some time but no reviews, come on guys are you just trying to keep this place a secret?[/QUOTE]You are right on the money, that's what I think they like 2 x 4's or tablas (wood planks) LOL. Either that or 18 yr olds have that look pre teen look. Not my thing I guess.

That's a damn good question, first time I'm hearing about that place and she's not bad looking, I still think the other chick is better. I might have to check it out and let you know.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2770272] A girl who naturally looks good and doesn't have 4+ surgeries done like the 1 you posted. To each their own but I would laugh in her face if she asked me for 500 k+ for a session.[/QUOTE]So in other words you don't have a link to one for example?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2770412]Specific to Relato? This is practically in your face and they make sure the customers see it before entering the seating area. Personally, I think behavior speaks more volume than how you dress.[/QUOTE]This is fascinating to see, they actually have a sign LOL. I heard about this on Reddit but never seen an actual picture of it. So how would they actually distinguish a "sex tourist" I mean obviously one would go nicely dress to this kind of establishment, at least business causal and the girl would be appropriately dressed for the occasion as well. But also if I'm not that old being 35, it wouldn't be as obvious as it would be seeing a 50+ yr old man out with a girl in her 20's. Would they not let them in if the age gap was obviously noticeable even tho they are appropriately dressed? It just seems stupid to me when they obviously know one of the reasons tourist visit is for sex. They should just stick to dress code. But even then, Have they not seen how scantily clad women dress to restaurants in places like Vegas and Miami now a days LOL.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770363]Any brothels or streetgirls at Buenos Aires neighborhood?[/QUOTE]The closest action to Buenos Aires I know of is casa Natalia.

Does anyone know a safe and girlfriendly hotel, within the price range 30-60 dollar a night?

I have found a lot but most don't allow visitors, or only with fysical passport.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2770377]Please, Could anyone make a fresh report on casas, clubs, etc. It's a pussy forum.
Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Visited Friday late afternoon. Its a club w beer, music and girls. I listened to some music, had a beer and a girl. It was great. 3 stars.

Your welcome.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770363]Any brothels or streetgirls at Buenos Aires neighborhood?[/QUOTE]Not that I know of. But many of the girls that live there and go out there are working girls. Theres plenty of nightlife, it just requires more work. Whereas centro is 10000 in a cab.

I went La Isla two days ago and I think I got rigged off.

After negotiated with this 10/10 girl and agreed with 400 K (100 K for the room and 300 K for her).

She lead me to the bar and I paid 400 K to the man by the bar.

After a great session, she insisted me to pay her another 300 K, saying some BS that the payment I did earlier was entire for the room.

She didn't receive any.

I tried to argue but I knew no Spanish and I was there alone, didn't want to get into trouble.

I gave her the money and decide to move on.

Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, which one rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?

I went La Isla two days ago and I think I got rigged off.

After negotiated with this girl and agreed with 400 K (100 K for the room and 300 K for her).

She lead me to the bar and I paid 400 K to the man by the bar.

After a great session, she insisted me to pay her another 300 K, saying some BS that the payment I did earlier was entire for the room.

She didn't receive any payment yet.

I tried to argue but I knew no Spanish and I was there alone. Didn't want to get into trouble.

I gave her the money and moved on.

Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, who rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2769942]That chick is a 7 at best without all the surgeries LOL like what is going on here.[/QUOTE]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770494]IStupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, which one rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?[/QUOTE]Seems you ripped yourself off!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]I'll start - 4/10 - looks in reasonable health, but I am not usually attracted to blondes nor white girls. Def not a girl I would choose.

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770494]Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, which one rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?[/QUOTE]She ripped you off. Money always goes to the establishment. They take their cut then give her cut at the end of the night. Women might ask for a tip afterwards.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]I like blonde white girls, and would have interest in this one. It's hard for me to give a "full confidence" rating because I can't see all of her body (tits and butt). I do find her face quite attractive though, which is super important to me. Based on what I can see, she's a solid 7 on my scale, and maybe as high as a 7+ depending on her tits and ass. I would definitely fuck her if I didn't see anybody else in the club I liked better and I was horny and ready to fuck since she appears to meet my minimum 7 out of 10 required score. Whereas JustTK doesn't prefer white girls, I am partial to the white girls and the Latinas. So, she gets a higher score on The Cane's scorecard.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2770540]Seems you ripped yourself off![/QUOTE]Yeah forgive my English typo.

Any advice for what I should've done?

Or advice I could take for the next visit.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]Not my type.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]8 for the kitten, 5. 2 for the girl. Big feet, average body and face. Blonde or brunette I don't care, but pick one or the other.

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770497]I went La Isla two days ago and I think I got rigged off.

After negotiated with this girl and agreed with 400 K (100 K for the room and 300 K for her).

She lead me to the bar and I paid 400 K to the man by the bar.

After a great session, she insisted me to pay her another 300 K, saying some BS that the payment I did earlier was entire for the room.

[/QUOTE]La isla has a room fee? This is news to me.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2770440]So in other words you don't have a link to one for example?[/QUOTE]I don't have an instagram and like I said before your into the plastic chicas knock yourself out. You won't catch me paying those chicks 500 k+ for a session LOL.

Going to MDE over Christmas holiday to visit friends. Is the Santa Fe mall open, except on Dec. 25th? Not sure. Restaurants open, except on 25th? Any recent guidance? Loutron?

The numerical ratings are highly subjective and individual. They are neither meaningful nor useful. As I wrote previously, threads about ratings come and go and tend to peter out within a week.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this reminder it is important to confirm costs and service expectations in advance. I'm sorry you were victimized this way.

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770497]I went La Isla two days ago and I think I got rigged off.

After negotiated with this girl and agreed with 400 K (100 K for the room and 300 K for her).

She lead me to the bar and I paid 400 K to the man by the bar.

After a great session, she insisted me to pay her another 300 K, saying some BS that the payment I did earlier was entire for the room.

She didn't receive any payment yet.

I tried to argue but I knew no Spanish and I was there alone. Didn't want to get into trouble.

I gave her the money and moved on.

Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, who rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?[/QUOTE]

There is an old school casa at calle 49 #43-68, a couple of doors east of the D1 on calle 49 (aka "Ayacucho). Way back when it was called Estambul before the tranvia was built. It's not Buenos Aires as such but it's pretty close to the eastern edge of Buenos Aires and the Placita de Flores. I haven't been in there in several years so I can't review the staffing or service.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2770490]Not that I know of. But many of the girls that live there and go out there are working girls. Theres plenty of nightlife, it just requires more work. Whereas centro is 10000 in a cab.[/QUOTE]

The casas change names and sometimes go by several names at the same time. It's much more useful to share street addresses (see my response to this post).

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2770479]The closest action to Buenos Aires I know of is casa Natalia.[/QUOTE]

Oci. Mde and several other restaurants also display that sign prominently. You will also see it on their reservations web pages.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2770448]This is fascinating to see, they actually have a sign LOL. I heard about this on Reddit but never seen an actual picture of it. So how would they actually distinguish a "sex tourist" I mean obviously one would go nicely dress to this kind of establishment, at least business causal and the girl would be appropriately dressed for the occasion as well. But also if I'm not that old being 35, it wouldn't be as obvious as it would be seeing a 50+ yr old man out with a girl in her 20's. Would they not let them in if the age gap was obviously noticeable even tho they are appropriately dressed? It just seems stupid to me when they obviously know one of the reasons tourist visit is for sex. They should just stick to dress code. But even then, Have they not seen how scantily clad women dress to restaurants in places like Vegas and Miami now a days LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2770490]Not that I know of. But many of the girls that live there and go out there are working girls. Theres plenty of nightlife, it just requires more work. Whereas centro is 10000 in a cab.[/QUOTE]Yeah my friend has a place at Buenos Aires area he said I can stay there short time for free, I am not sure if I should.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with her, but not at all my type. So a 5.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]She doesn't even look Colombian.

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770497]I went La Isla two days ago and I think I got rigged off.

After negotiated with this girl and agreed with 400 K (100 K for the room and 300 K for her).

She lead me to the bar and I paid 400 K to the man by the bar.

After a great session, she insisted me to pay her another 300 K, saying some BS that the payment I did earlier was entire for the room.

She didn't receive any payment yet.

I tried to argue but I knew no Spanish and I was there alone. Didn't want to get into trouble.

I gave her the money and moved on.

Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, who rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?[/QUOTE]Both, you got played.

MDE is difficult with no Spanish.

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770497]I tried to argue but I knew no Spanish and I was there alone. Didn't want to get into trouble.

I gave her the money and moved on.

Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, who rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770673]Yeah my friend has a place at Buenos Aires area he said I can stay there short time for free, I am not sure if I should.[/QUOTE]Its pretty good fun up there. Lots of night life. One of the safer barrrios outside of the south. Do you have your own dial-a-entertainment?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2770655]Going to MDE over Christmas holiday to visit friends. Is the Santa Fe mall open, except on Dec. 25th? Not sure. Restaurants open, except on 25th? Any recent guidance? Loutron?[/QUOTE]No idea about Loutron, but everything else should be open on the 24th. Some places might close early.

[QUOTE=LittleBobLin;2770497]I went La Isla two days ago and I think I got rigged off.

After negotiated with this girl and agreed with 400 K (100 K for the room and 300 K for her).

She lead me to the bar and I paid 400 K to the man by the bar.

After a great session, she insisted me to pay her another 300 K, saying some BS that the payment I did earlier was entire for the room.

She didn't receive any payment yet.

I tried to argue but I knew no Spanish and I was there alone. Didn't want to get into trouble.

I gave her the money and moved on.

Stupid me but still want to learn from the lesson, who rigged me off? The bar man or the girl?[/QUOTE]She screwed you.

In cases like that, at La Isla or most other establishments, take it back to the bar, or manager, or whoever is available. Use Google translate to explain what you understood and tell her you will pay her after you confirm it with the manager.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2770690]Its pretty good fun up there. Lots of night life. One of the safer barrrios outside of the south. Do you have your own dial-a-entertainment?[/QUOTE]I don't understand the meaning of "dial-a-entertainment".

It is a weird situation, me and my friend lives in the United States, and he is got a pen-pal in Medellin, and his pen-pal convinced him to invest a lot of money to build a house at that Buenos Aires neighborhood. And my friend he is not a monger. In exchange, he own small part of that building. Although he paid mostly of the house. And now he can live in a room with no windows, and I can live there too. But I am thinking his Medellin friend had take advantage of him and there might be something sketchy behind this shit deal. The only condition is if I live there, I can not bring hookers to the house.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770715]I don't understand the meaning of "dial-a-entertainment".

It is a weird situation, me and my friend lives in the United States, and he is got a pen-pal in Medellin, and his pen-pal convinced him to invest a lot of money to build a house at that Buenos Aires neighborhood. And my friend he is not a monger. In exchange, he own small part of that building. Although he paid mostly of the house. And now he can live in a room with no windows, and I can live there too. But I am thinking his Medellin friend had take advantage of him and there might be something sketchy behind this shit deal. The only condition is if I live there, I can not bring hookers to the house.[/QUOTE]Your friend is a monger now. He paid to get screwed.

I'm guessing your friend didn't use lawyers and contracts for his real estate investment. If not, he owns nothing. Depending on where it's located, a windowless room is not going to be comfortable, no air flow.

I would also question whether staying there for free is possible. You or he will most likely be presented with a list of things the house needs and payment will be expected.

Dial-a-entertainment refers to having women you can message to come have sex with you. Which doesn't matter if you stay at a place where you can't have visitors.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2770667]Oci. Mde and several other restaurants also display that sign prominently. You will also see it on their reservations web pages.[/QUOTE]I can't wait to see this for myself LOL. Whose idea was that. The sex tourism must really be as bad as they say it is. Either that or they just have a stick up their asses. Has anyone ever seen anything like this in other parts of the world? Because I've never seen it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2770666]The casas change names and sometimes go by several names at the same time. It's much more useful to share street addresses (see my response to this post).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2770664]There is an old school casa at calle 49 #43-68, a couple of doors east of the D1 on calle 49 (aka "Ayacucho). Way back when it was called Estambul before the tranvia was built. It's not Buenos Aires as such but it's pretty close to the eastern edge of Buenos Aires and the Placita de Flores. I haven't been in there in several years so I can't review the staffing or service.[/QUOTE]Yep, that's the one I was talking about. Have not been there myself (yet) but I remember JohnnyWalker55 reporting on it here.

Why there are so many middle age Colombian man just sitting and standing on the sidewalk? I feel really insecure. After I calculate how much I spend on my frist trip, I realized I couldn't afford living in Poblado and laurels and facebook girls on regular basic. I am thinking centro would be my place next time. I went there but I only went to strip clubs because somehow, I feel more comfortable in a strip club than walking around on the street and I don't speak Spanish I couldn't pull my phone out on centro for safety reason. I understand those strange men are probably just labors resting but why the fuck standing and sitting right next to the street girls? Can't you just make some space if you want to have a beer then sit inside the bar? Some of them are younger guys but that make me even more uncomfortable what the fuck are you doing the only explanation is they are looking for foreign tourist victim. Shit.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770854]Why there are so many middle age colombian man just sitting and standing on the sidewalk? I feel really insecure. I understand those strange men are probably just labors resting but why the fuck standing and sitting right next to the street girls? Can't you just make some space if you want to have a beer then sit inside the bar? Some of them are younger guys but that make me even more uncomfortable what the fuck are you doing the only explanation is they are looking for foreign tourist victim. Shit.[/QUOTE]There is a thing as being cautious and there is another thing that is being paranoid. How many foreign people on that block did you see? If they were waiting for foreign tourist victims then they would starve to death. Or maybe you are just shy and do not want anyone to see you talking to a street girl. Don't worry. Nobody thinks you are there to do confession inside Vera Cruz church. They know you are there for the same reason as everyone else and nobody gives a shit.

You are totally applying your developed world mindset on a developing country. You are used to eating your Dominos' pizza a certain way and expect to get it exactly the same in anywhere in the world. The world won't change for you, you have to morph to the world you are in. These are not strange men, just normal men doing their normal things. Not saying it's totally safe but much safer (in my opinion) than what you are making it to be.

I am not saying you should do what you are not comfortable with. If you are not comfortable walking the take a cab.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770854]Why there are so many middle age colombian man just sitting and standing on the sidewalk? I feel really insecure. After I calculate how much I spend on my frist trip, I realized I couldn't afford living in poblado and laurels and facebook girls on regular basic. I am thinking centro would be my place next time. I went there but I only went to strip clubs becuase somehow, I feel more comfortable in a strip club than walking around on the street and I don't speak spanish I couldn't pull my phone out on centro for safety reason. I understand those strange men are probably just labors resting but why the fuck standing and sitting right next to the street girls? Can't you just make some space if you want to have a beer then sit inside the bar? Some of them are younger guys but that make me even more uncomfortable what the fuck are you doing the only explanation is they are looking for foreign tourist victim. Shit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770715]I don't understand the meaning of "dial-a-entertainment"..[/QUOTE]I just meant girls on delivery.

[QUOTE=Luminous;2770868]You are totally applying your developed world mindset on a developing country. These are not strange men, just normal men doing their normal things. Not saying it's totally safe but much safer (in my opinion) than what you are making it to be.
.[/QUOTE]All this is true. And nearly all are exceptionally friendly. Time moves at a different speed in developing nations. Not everyone runs around like the world is about to end tmrw. Also many of the guys are picking up chicas too.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770854]Why there are so many middle age colombian man just sitting and standing on the sidewalk? I feel really insecure. After I calculate how much I spend on my frist trip, I realized I couldn't afford living in poblado and laurels and facebook girls on regular basic. I am thinking centro would be my place next time. I went there but I only went to strip clubs becuase somehow, I feel more comfortable in a strip club than walking around on the street and I don't speak spanish I couldn't pull my phone out on centro for safety reason. I understand those strange men are probably just labors resting but why the fuck standing and sitting right next to the street girls? Can't you just make some space if you want to have a beer then sit inside the bar? Some of them are younger guys but that make me even more uncomfortable what the fuck are you doing the only explanation is they are looking for foreign tourist victim. Shit.[/QUOTE]People just standing around are sometimes people running the businesses inside the stores and shopping centers. Or unemployed, or people recovering from the night before. And you can join in and play chess on the street, or various card games. Etc. And if they are around the street girls they may have some connection, their boyfriends, husbands, pimps, brothers, or just guys hoping to find someone within their budget. But I would guess none of them are looking for a foreign tourist victim. Or very very few. Those looking for a victim will not be standing around, they will be on the move, following you looking for an opportune spot, or in Parque Lleras where the potential victims are in abundance.

As for finding a place to live, I don't think your options are limited to Poblado or else centro. There are many other parts of the city where you might be more comfortable than centro, but that are more economical than Poblado. And I would not put Laureles into the same category as Poblado either, but again it depends where and what in either of them.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2770890]People just standing around are sometimes people running the businesses inside the stores and shopping centers. Or unemployed, or people recovering from the night before. And you can join in and play chess on the street, or various card games. Etc. And if they are around the street girls they may have some connection, their boyfriends, husbands, pimps, brothers, or just guys hoping to find someone within their budget. But I would guess none of them are looking for a foreign tourist victim. Or very very few. Those looking for a victim will not be standing around, they will be on the move, following you looking for an opportune spot, or in Parque Lleras where the potential victims are in abundance.

As for finding a place to live, I don't think your options are limited to Poblado or else centro. There are many other parts of the city where you might be more comfortable than centro, but that are more economical than Poblado. And I would not put Laureles into the same category as Poblado either, but again it depends where and what in either of them.[/QUOTE]What most Americans who haven't visited other countries don't realize is that parks are a meeting place for friends and family. Some are retired or have the day off or whatever but they go to the park to hangout and to meet and talk with friends or family and even strangers. Hard to believe today but 50 years ago Parque Bolivar was the place to meet especially at night after dinner. Totally safe. But that was then however meeting in parks is part of life in many countries. I just wanted to add to this post and agree with everything said. Having said that, it's understandable that some who aren't used to this may think otherwise and feel threatened and it's always a good idea to keep your guard up just don't get too paranoid.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2768045]We have gone through 4 pages of stuff now other than actual report of an experience with a girl. I actually like the reports of a monger's experience with a girl in bed because it gives you an idea of what you can expect in Medellin. I will now post an actual mini report of a girl I met on my last trip. For those who prefer debates about minor things in Medellin, you should skip this post.

Una Noche en Medellin with Stephanie on my last trip.

The long and winding road to seeing her.

She was one of my early FB friends and I said Hello, in July, she said Hello, and that was it and I never followed up.

Then in September, she said Hello, and we engaged in some small talk but I didn't see her on my first trip.

In October, she messaged me again and we engaged in some small talk but I didn't pursue it.

A week before my last trip, she messaged me again to say Hello, sent some pictures and said she wanted to meet me. I said it is possible depending on how much. She laughed and said 250 mil plus taxi. I countered with my standard opening offer, 200 mil, 2 hours and sex without a condom. I always throw it out there but each part is negotiable and bareback is not essential but the opening offer is accepted, I take a girl very seriously. She said yes, and so I put her higher on my list of girls to see.

The problem was that I was booked up and it did not look as if I had any time for her. Still she was 22 years, attractive, slim and willing to take the standard offer so I tried hard to fit her on the schedule but time was ticking and I was already in the last stage of my trip...[/QUOTE]Please can you give me her phone number / Whasapp? I'd love meet her too.

Great thoughts ChuchoLoco and Zeos1. Generally people in US and the developed world live more individual and lonely lives and are not exposed to the "We" concept, these are "I" societies. As is evident in the data, this leads to significantly more depression and loneliness and less stronger bonds between people.

People in the developing world have less resources and live in more "We" based environments that leads to less loneliness and depression.

#2 reason I like Latin America. We all know what #1 is :)

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2770897]What most Americans who haven't visited other countries don't realize is that parks are a meeting place for friends and family. Some are retired or have the day off or whatever but they go to the park to hangout and to meet and talk with friends or family and even strangers. Hard to believe today but 50 years ago Parque Bolivar was the place to meet especially at night after dinner. Totally safe. But that was then however meeting in parks is part of life in many countries. I just wanted to add to this post and agree with everything said. Having said that, it's understandable that some who aren't used to this may think otherwise and feel threatened and it's always a good idea to keep your guard up just don't get too paranoid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770854]Why there are so many middle age colombian man just sitting and standing on the sidewalk? I feel really insecure. After I calculate how much I spend on my frist trip, I realized I couldn't afford living in poblado and laurels and facebook girls on regular basic. I am thinking centro would be my place next time. I went there but I only went to strip clubs becuase somehow, I feel more comfortable in a strip club than walking around on the street and I don't speak spanish I couldn't pull my phone out on centro for safety reason. I understand those strange men are probably just labors resting but why the fuck standing and sitting right next to the street girls? Can't you just make some space if you want to have a beer then sit inside the bar? Some of them are younger guys but that make me even more uncomfortable what the fuck are you doing the only explanation is they are looking for foreign tourist victim. Shit.[/QUOTE]There are men as you say "are looking for foreign tourist victim" and most of them speak spanish because its Colombia.

Some of them are pimps or handlers keeping a close eye on and protecting their moneymakers, some are not.

If you could learn some spanish you might be able to evesdrop and figure them out.

Lots of mongers want the "shoot fish in a barrel" experience and expect it in el Centro. Nope. Well maybe sometimes but eventually.

You can get stabbed, shot, drugged, mugged, ripped off jailed and worse in Medellin.

The best way to prevent this is to stay home. Its not similiar to rural Nebraska.

Many mongers don't want to hear about the negative.

Could be Its the glass is half full, ostrich head in the sand, denial sex addict thinking that leads to chasing that next orgasm LOL.

It's very simple really. Strolling and socializing in parks and pedestrian zones like Junin is the only affordable entertainment for most of the population because it's free. Most Colombians are so poor that things we take for granted like movies, bars, restaurants and concerts are beyond their financial reach.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2770897]What most Americans who haven't visited other countries don't realize is that parks are a meeting place for friends and family. Some are retired or have the day off or whatever but they go to the park to hangout and to meet and talk with friends or family and even strangers. Hard to believe today but 50 years ago Parque Bolivar was the place to meet especially at night after dinner. Totally safe. But that was then however meeting in parks is part of life in many countries. I just wanted to add to this post and agree with everything said. Having said that, it's understandable that some who aren't used to this may think otherwise and feel threatened and it's always a good idea to keep your guard up just don't get too paranoid.[/QUOTE]

Me and another ISG member went to Loutron on a weekday at 5 pm (they open from noon to 10 pm that day). This "massage parlor" is located up in the hills and is pretty isolated with a long private driveway. Other people were saying drivers had trouble finding it, but our Uber got there using Waze without any issues. Now, when we were leaving, some Ubers were parked outside the building waiting for customers. The guy told us it's usually difficult finding an Uber because a lot of drivers don't like coming up this far, but again, we didn't have any issues.

The mansion was supposedly once owned by Pablo Escobar and it is very nice inside. As soon as your enter the main lobby with a winding staircase, you're greeted by one of the madams of the house. She leads you into a bar area and we took seats on the small balcony outside. They give you a drink and then 7 women were brought to your table, one at a time. They introduce themselves and show you what's under their robes. You're given a notepad and write down the names of the ones you like. We both had the same top 2 women and because I already had some great experiences the last couple days, I let him choose. I got Andrea and had a good time. It was 380 K for 70 minutes including strip tease, massage, and the drink.

I'm a face guy first and foremost, so I liked her. Fake rack, but real, nice ass. Surprisingly, the massage was good. Performance was also good. Probably the best pro experience I had in Colombia, but I only used a few in my trips to Bogota and now Medellin. Plus I prefer semi-pro women and had the best experiences with them (several hours at my apartment at a time).

My only complaint is that it was about 60 minutes instead of 70, but I was satisfied so what was I going to do for another 10 minutes? Talk to her? Nah, I was hungry and we ended up going to this nice ass restaurant named Colossal 10 minutes away that overlooked the city. You might want to opt for 60 minutes instead, even though it's only a 30 K difference. Lastly, I would have gone earlier in the afternoon but had other things come up.

Full disclosure: my friend didn't have as good of an experience. I lucked out I let him choose I guess.

I'm glad I could help. If you don't mind me asking, what is the interest in Buenos Aires other than the casa?

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2770853]Yep, that's the one I was talking about. Have not been there myself (yet) but I remember JohnnyWalker55 reporting on it here.[/QUOTE]

Call me old fashioned but I feel for your friend. At 300 K+ he deserved to have his world rocked.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2771015]Me and another ISG member went to Loutron on a weekday at 5 pm (they open from noon to 10 pm that day). This "massage parlor" is located up in the hills and is pretty isolated with a long private driveway. Other people were saying drivers had trouble finding it, but our Uber got there using Waze without any issues. Now, when we were leaving, some Ubers were parked outside the building waiting for customers. The guy told us it's usually difficult finding an Uber because a lot of drivers don't like coming up this far, but again, we didn't have any issues.

The mansion was supposedly once owned by Pablo Escobar and it is very nice inside. As soon as your enter the main lobby with a winding staircase, you're greeted by one of the madams of the house. She leads you into a bar area and we took seats on the small balcony outside. They give you a drink and then 7 women were brought to your table, one at a time. They introduce themselves and show you what's under their robes. You're given a notepad and write down the names of the ones you like. We both had the same top 2 women and because I already had some great experiences the last couple days, I let him choose. I got Andrea and had a good time. It was 380 K for 70 minutes including strip tease, massage, and the drink.

I'm a face guy first and foremost, so I liked her. Fake rack, but real, nice ass. Surprisingly, the massage was good. Performance was also good. Probably the best pro experience I had in Colombia, but I only used a few in my trips to Bogota and now Medellin. Plus I prefer semi-pro women and had the best experiences with them (several hours at my apartment at a time).

My only complaint is that it was about 60 minutes instead of 70, but I was satisfied so what was I going to do for another 10 minutes? Talk to her? Nah, I was hungry and we ended up going to this nice ass restaurant named Colossal 10 minutes away that overlooked the city. You might want to opt for 60 minutes instead, even though it's only a 30 K difference. Lastly, I would have gone earlier in the afternoon but had other things come up.

Full disclosure: my friend didn't have as good of an experience. I lucked out I let him choose I guess.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luminous;2770930]Generally people in US and the developed world live more individual and lonely lives and are not exposed to the "We" concept, these are "I" societies. [/QUOTE]They'll get it eventually. When the Great Replacement finally arrives.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2770925]Please can you give me her phone number / Whasapp? I'd love meet her too.[/QUOTE]You got to be kiddin right? It took him 7 paras to get beyond 'Hello, How much time do you plan for your trip?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2770864]Nobody thinks you are there to do confession inside Vera Cruz church. They know you are there for the same reason as everyone else and nobody gives a shit.[/QUOTE]Come now Mr E. I actually go there to eat veggie food... As well as...

Got lost here on the way to stormfront did you?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771056]They'll get it eventually. When the Great Replacement finally arrives.[/QUOTE]

I read about 1 or 2 weeks ago about a casa in laureles in circunvalar 5 and 71st. It was right next to the gourmet restaurante Marino but lost that post. Can anyone give the address or give me the post number. I went back 20 pages and couldn't find it. I'll be staying in that block basically. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2771000]It's very simple really. Strolling and socializing in parks and pedestrian zones like Junin is the only affordable entertainment for most of the population because it's free. Most Colombians are so poor that things we take for granted like movies, bars, restaurants and concerts are beyond their financial reach.[/QUOTE]Seems like jumping to conclusions to me.

America is an extreme society with a lot of issues, if you want to compare countries to figure something out it should never be treated as the norm.

1. Car culture and sunurbs that make extreme human isolation the norm.

2. Look at all the pop psychology articles published in the past 15 years talking about the extreme social issues around the average American having less than 1 close friend.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770854]..I don't speak spanish I couldn't pull my phone out on centro for safety reason....[/QUOTE]I took my phone out but it is like everywhere else you should be aware of your surroundings. You can get the least expensive brand new Samsung phone for about 400 mil in El Centro or maybe exitos with 1 year warranty. If you are not sure about price in El Centro, just walk around and check price in 2 or 3 stores and you will get an idea of what is the going price. One beauty of El Centro is that you will likely see a cluster of stores selling the same stuff. You are less likely to be taken advantage of if you check price from different stores. Many locals or girls I know all shop in El Centro.

You can observe the area from Gutenburg building or from the bar across before you venture into the bars on the back side. Just decide where you want to observe and go find a spot to have lunch. You may run into a member there.

The lodging situation is usually the longer you stay that the cheaper it is regardless the areas. If you eat where locals eat, it will be a lot cheaper.

Find Surfer's posts, he shared a lot of useful info.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2770897]What most Americans who haven't visited other countries don't realize is that parks are a meeting place for friends and family. Some are retired or have the day off or whatever but they go to the park to hangout and to meet and talk with friends or family and even strangers. ....[/QUOTE]But this is similar to where I live in US. Most parks in my area have BBQ tables some even with electricity. You can see people have parties or just gather there. Then there is playground in the park for kids so parents talk to each other. Also people walk their dogs in the park and they know each other too. Having said that, but I do see a difference in places like Periodista Park. Also in Brazil, they gather in large group all the time, rich or poor.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771115]But this is similar to where I live in US. Most parks in my area have BBQ tables some even with electricity. You can see people have parties or just gather there. Then there is playground in the park for kids so parents talk to each other. Also people walk their dogs in the park and they know each other too. Having said that, but I do see a difference in places like Periodista Park. Also in Brazil, they gather in large group all the time, rich or poor.[/QUOTE]I have similar parks where I live too. Great place for families and friends to gather but they are still different. People drive to the parks and at least where I live they are in a suburban setting. In Medellin people walk there and it's a different setting where the one guy felt intimidated by some individuals. Yes, Periodista is different. I probably have spent too much time there even around midnight. It does get sketchy but nobody has ever bothered me but probably not the place for most. I guess I have been lucky and maybe foolish for going there that late at night. I was probably the oldest person there. I would say most parks in Medellin are safe during the day. It was probably that the guy was just out of his element.

My post was about Colombia. In any case, I offer these facts:

1. Most of the American population lives in cities, a trend that began during the 19th century Industrial Revolution.

2. The Latino custom of addressing strangers as "amigo" or "mi amor" should not be misinterpreted as a friend relationship.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2771098]Seems like jumping to conclusions to me.

America is an extreme society with a lot of issues, if you want to compare countries to figure something out it should never be treated as the norm.

1. Car culture and sunurbs that make extreme human isolation the norm.

2. Look at all the pop psychology articles published in the past 15 years talking about the extreme social issues around the average American having less than 1 close friend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2771015]Me and another ISG member went to Loutron on a weekday at 5 pm............Surprisingly, the massage was good. Performance was also good. Probably the best pro experience I had in Colombia. .[/QUOTE]My only two visits up the hill to Loutron's (in years past), I took a pass on the chicas on view when finding that DFK and BBBJ was not on the menu, even with the offer of a generous propina (at least with the selected ladies from the lineup that got my juices flowing). Voodoo Jones, I'm curious--when you report that "Performance was also good", did that include either or both of these GFE enhancements (french kisses and mamada natural, aka BBBJ)? If so, were these included in the 380 or for an extra tip?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2770527]Just to get a grip on how you guys rate girls, how would you guys rate the chica in this photo?[/QUOTE]Ok, the ratings were from a 4 to a 7. One said she did not look Colombian. Some said she was not their type meaning that they would not pick her in a line up. BTW she is a former Miss Colombia and model. You guys have extremely high taste, LOL.

Landed Wednesday. After a very long trip I had a date with my favourite chicka. We have chatted most of the autumn and both were keen on seeing each other live. Had a dear encounter and then off for a meal. Bisonte in Laureles was near and provided excellent food and service. After some checking of my TV channels to find out if I can watch World Cup soccer, fatigue took over and both fell asleep.

Thursday went to supply my stock of food and drinks. Fixed a Tigo SIM. The apartment had no suitable mirror so I went to buy one. My earlier experience is that a mirror and music will enhance the speed to nudity. Still a bit exhausted and with a sore neck I rested in the apartment for the night while setting up dates for Friday. I'm staying until 12 Jan and I reckon I will have enough action until then.

Popeye back in action.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771217]Ok, the ratings were from a 4 to a 7. One said she did not look Colombian. Some said she was not their type meaning that they would not pick her in a line up. BTW she is a former Miss Colombia and model. You guys have extremely high taste, LOL.[/QUOTE]High taste? I don't think they have any taste at all. One can't rate a girl a 4 or a 5 just because she is not his type. If he does that, he is not being objective and that defeats the whole purpose of the rating. A girl who is a true 4/10 is plain ugly, has physical defects. A 5 is someone you would do only when drunk and if no other options are available. The girl you posted is definitely not a 4 or a 5. She might not be someone's type, I get it, but objectively, she is well above average looking, I personally would put her in the 7 to 8 range, based on the only photo posted. Someone has recently posted some Instagram girl with big tits and ass. Totally not my type, I would probably would never pick her, but I still would rate her at least 7-7. 5, because her face is cute, hair / skin etc look healthy, looks like she takes care of herself, and even though she is not slim, which is my preferred body type, I think her body is proportional.

Don't pay attention to the comments like, oh, she is not Colombian, I rate her a 3/10 or, she looks healthy but not my type, therefore, 4/10 - totally useless comments. If you want to post your rating, make sure you are able to explain it, the way TheCane did.

So, according to ISG voters, a former miss Colombia and a model gets only 5.5/10. So pathetic

I can't argue with much that is posted about centro, dangerous place, two of my friends had cell phones stolen this week and I don't have many friends, one got classic pecker grab from a girl then took his Samsung 21 (first day newbie) other buddy was drunk and took girl for first time back to his room, gone cell phone, police did nothing, he tried saving 2 bucks LOL. A girl I know got stabbed and killed at hotel by fountain two days ago, police came in force this week the El Colombiano paper did a video on Botero park about all bums, crap smell and abandonment of park by the Mayor and police. Police drove out most of the hoodies out of the park last few days, the guys sitting between Premier hotel and Veracruz church are either protecting their GF who is hooking or stealing and extorting someone.

Yes Grille Occidental is best strip club in Centro but the block you have to travel into Bronx is crazy dangerous at night, best time get there is about 8 PM dead after 11 PM beers are 5 k each no cover charge anything goes as far as touching or inserting bills the other two on De Greif are more like bing parlors than a strip club lame as F. Get Uber or Indriver directly from club leaving after dark.

Tuesday afternoon is best day of week for girls from 5-7 PM get the hell out of park after that, I don't recommend taking a phone to centro at all but if you do make sure is a cheapie. Try not to wear your beach shorts and flip flops it isn't Sosua!

I know someone who will guide you in Centro if needed, he makes good body guard, PM me for his number if neeeded the info is priceless for first timers he knows all the centro casas as he used to work at them. Speaks English and Spanish he is a Colombian.

Few random pics.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771217]Ok, the ratings were from a 4 to a 7. One said she did not look Colombian. Some said she was not their type meaning that they would not pick her in a line up. BTW she is a former Miss Colombia and model. You guys have extremely high taste, LOL.[/QUOTE]I would just say that not all beauty pageant participants are hot, or even attractive for that matter. Take away the makeup, the processed hair, and perhaps a few other enhancements and well. You know that one had to rely heavily on her other talents to get where she is LOL! I have definitely seen some so-called pageant "beauties" that would be unfuckable per my optics scale. It was a rather disappointing reality to discover.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771239]High taste? I don't think they have any taste at all. Don't pay attention to the comments like, oh, she is not Colombian, I rate her a 3/10 or, she looks healthy but not my type, therefore, 4/10 - totally useless comments. If you want to post your rating, make sure you are able to explain it, the way The Cane did. So, according to ISG voters, a former miss Colombia and a model gets only 5.5/10. So pathetic[/QUOTE]The reason why I didn't go higher than 7.5 is because whereas she apparently is not slim enough for you, she's too slim for me. I salivate over a narrow waist with a plump, round "hinder" hahaha. Hard to tell from that particular pic if she has that, so held at 7.5. But 100% agree that 3 to 5 is reserved for ugly to [B]very[/B] ugly chicks only. And she's nowhere near to being ugly. Rather she's very fuckable, at least to me! And not because she's a Miss Colombia either. As I said, I've actually seen plenty of those pageant types who do nothing for me.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771239]One can't rate a girl a 4 or a 5 just because she is not his type. If he does that, he is not being objective and that defeats the whole purpose of the rating.
So, according to ISG voters, a former miss Colombia and a model gets only 5.5/10. So pathetic[/QUOTE]Isn't the whole idea of a rating to rate how it appeals to you? That is subjectivity in and of itself. In order to do an objective rating there would need to be a list of objective criteria to fit. Like 3 centimeter nose. Size 6 shoe. And even if there was a list of objective criteria, that is not going to say that the person who scores a 10 on that particular set of objective criteria is going to appeal to everyone or even most people. It is only saying they fit in that particular box.

Who the hell gives a movie they do not like (not their type) a high rating and a movie they like (their type of movie) a low rating? I do not like sushi so I am not giving sushi a 9 rating. I like ribeyes, but I am not saying it is pathetic for a vegetarian not to give a ribeye a 9 rating.

Being a model is not saying shit. All three of these women are models, but that does not mean they are rated 10 by everyone. Why is it so hard to understand that everyone has different tastes and that your taste is not the be all end all best taste? Nobody's dick has to fuck a woman that somebody else's dick likes. And just because your dick like a woman it does not mean everyone else's dick should like her.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2771207]My only two visits up the hill to Loutron's (in years past), I took a pass on the chicas on view when finding that DFK and BBBJ was not on the menu, even with the offer of a generous propina (at least with the selected ladies from the lineup that got my juices flowing). Voodoo Jones, I'm curious--when you report that "Performance was also good", did that include either or both of these GFE enhancements (french kisses and mamada natural, aka BBBJ)? If so, were these included in the 380 or for an extra tip?[/QUOTE]I don't kiss pros, just the semi-pros I meet through other avenues, and didn't ask for BBBJ (should have mentioned that). It was my first time trying this place out and head can sometimes only last a few minutes, especially because the massage and strip tease take up a good portion of the hour.

However, another ISG member went the day after me and he paid extra for BBBJ from two girls at once, so it's definitely possible.

No GFE experience, didn't ask. Again, really don't care about that from pros. She was fun and seemed real into it once we got to business.

I should probably be a little more specific about the sex, but I feel like I'm writing erotica and that's not my thing LOL. I will say this though: most Colombian chicks like to do short, quick thrusts when on top. I like longer movements and so did she.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771217] BTW she is a former Miss Colombia and model. You guys have extremely high taste, LOL.[/QUOTE]Hehe. Not about high or low taste. Just goes to show its subjective and others can't dictate who you find attractive.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771239]One can't rate a girl a 4 or a 5 just because she is not his type. If he does that, he is not being objective and that defeats the whole purpose of the rating. A girl who is a true 4/10 is plain ugly, has physical defects. A 5 is someone you would do only when drunk and if no other options are available. So pathetic[/QUOTE]An incredibly dumb comment from the BM who thinks he owns an objective beautiful looks measuring stick. Of course NO ONE was being OBJECTIVE. Bcos looks ARE SUBJECTIVE. That was the whole point of the exercise, Duh.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771276]An incredibly dumb comment from the BM who thinks he owns an objective beautiful looks measuring stick. Of course NO ONE was being OBJECTIVE. Bcos looks ARE SUBJECTIVE. That was the whole point of the exercise, Duh.[/QUOTE]I would rate your mental capacity 4/10. And I'm being generous.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771056]They'll get it eventually. When the Great Replacement finally arrives.[/QUOTE]LOL are you outing yourself as a white nationalist? Wtf is this? I'm here for fun under the sun not white boy fever dreams.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2771035]If you don't mind me asking, what is the interest in Buenos Aires other than the casa?[/QUOTE]Just replying to the poster that originally asked about it. I stayed couple times in Bombona area, which I guess is technically where this casa is located.

Don't know much about the BA neighborhood but I have strolled couple times at late evening (7-10) alongside the tranvia line from San Jose to Buenos Aires station and I'd say it's relatively safe; it was always lively, lots of people, some street performers, many food places (especially around BA station), bars and some clubs too I think. Got to be extra aware of chicos whizzing downhill at amazing speeds on their bicycles though; silent and the meeting could be deadly.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771239]High taste? I don't think they have any taste at all. One can't rate a girl a 4 or a 5 just because she is not his type. If he does that, he is not being objective and that defeats the whole purpose of the rating. A girl who is a true 4/10 is plain ugly, has physical defects. A 5 is someone you would do only when drunk and if no other options are available. The girl you posted is definitely not a 4 or a 5. She might not be someone's type, I get it, but objectively, she is well above average looking, I personally would put her in the 7 to 8 range, based on the only photo posted. Someone has recently posted some Instagram girl with big tits and ass. Totally not my type, I would probably would never pick her, but I still would rate her at least 7-7. 5, because her face is cute, hair / skin etc look healthy, looks like she takes care of herself, and even though she is not slim, which is my preferred body type, I think her body is proportional.

Don't pay attention to the comments like, oh, she is not Colombian, I rate her a 3/10 or, she looks healthy but not my type, therefore, 4/10 - totally useless comments. If you want to post your rating, make sure you are able to explain it, the way TheCane did.

So, according to ISG voters, a former miss Colombia and a model gets only 5.5/10. So pathetic[/QUOTE]Shame shame shame. On us. You ask for the rating, you get it, and then you proceed to attack everyone that doesn't agree with you.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2771302]Shame shame shame. On us. You ask for the rating, you get it, and then you proceed to attack everyone that doesn't agree with you.[/QUOTE]It was not me who posted the picture of the girl and asked to rate her. You guys are trashing the former miss Colombia rating her 4's and 5's, and obviously don't agree with all the people, judges, etc who voted for her.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771305]It was not me who posted the picture of the girl and asked to rate her. You guys are trashing the former miss Colombia rating her 4's and 5's, and obviously don't agree with all the people, judges, etc who voted for her.[/QUOTE]You tricked us!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771305]It was not me who posted the picture of the girl and asked to rate her. You guys are trashing the former miss Colombia rating her 4's and 5's, and obviously don't agree with all the people, judges, etc who voted for her.[/QUOTE]I think some men are proud and eager to try to "prove" they have high standards by being overly "tough" in their optics judgments, and in the process lose clear perspective. I have seen Turgid say that there's no such thing as having "taste" when it comes to determining who is attractive since it's all so objective, but I disagree. In my view, you have "optics taste" if people (both men and women) tend to agree with you more often than not when you say someone is attractive (or not). Seeing that this woman is allegedly a Miss Colombia, then in my way of thinking the odds are that more people will find her to be attractive than not. Meaning that if you fall into that group who thinks she's attractive then you have taste. And if you don't? Then you don't have taste LOL! At least not with respect to her anyway hehe!

Had an amazing 2 nights and 3 days in Medellin. Thanks to HumptyHump for your valuable feedback. Since it was a last minute decision he kind a help and guide me through the entire trip including girls, where to stay and where to go to roam around. He also msg me while I was in Medellin to ensure I was ok. Thanks a lot brother.

During my trip I meet 4 FB girls and one girl from the Do Spa.

Keller.

Humtyhump recommend me this girl from FB and I communicated her the day I was traveling. Mind it Immigration in MDE takes long time almost 40-60 min. After the immigration I took the taxi to my Airbnb. Stayed in Laurels and the location was amazing close to everything. I msg Keller after setting down and she said she can be there within 30 min. I quickly took a shower and went out to a pharmacy next door and bought the condoms and had some snacks on a coffee shop. Keller msg that she is downstairs and I went back and saw her waiting. She is so cute and pretty. We hugged and then went upstairs in the apartment. I bought some beer so we started drinking and then she started taking off her clothes. She has a nice curvy Colombian body with sexy ass. Her body was so soft and keep touching and kissing her. We went to bed and she started panting with her pussy. She allowed me to video her pussy fingering. We started DFK and I was squeezing her boobs. It was so nice and soft boobs and her nipples were pointy perfect for sucking. She gave a me decent BJ and no rush. As I was sucking her nipples she put the condom and I slowly insert into her vagina. I find her push very tight and as I was pounding her felt like I was crossing two layer inside her pussy. Great feeling and she was enjoying also. We change to multiple position and finally came in doggy. We relax for a bit and then eventually she left. She was no nice, no drama and very down to earth. She also hooked me up with her friends and told me she does trio with her friend. Next time I will do trio with her. Highly recommended girl. Everything about her was perfect.

Nani.

Humtyhump reviewed her and she did not disappoint. I booked for 10 pm and she actually came on time. Very sweet girl. Smile and laugh a lot. She is more of a party girl and we started drinking and dancing to music. Her body is very tight and sexy. Her ass is perfect. Most of the Colombian Girls have sexy ass. As we were dancing we were kissing deeply and I was touching her and also playing with her boobs. Once in the bed she gave me an amazing BJ. It was so good that I told her I want to cum on her mouth and she agreed. We the. Switch position mish, doggy, cowgirl and eventually came in her mouth. She swallows every drop it. I didn't realized she also squirt a lot. The bed was wet and I liked it. We spend some more time chilling and drinking and eventually repeat above session. Very satisfying and highly recommended.

Sophia.

Next day morning I wanted to see someone as o enjoyed morning sex lot. Found Sophia from FB and she was available. Set up a time and she came to my apartment at 10 am. She is only 19 and have a sexy petite body. She is tall and nice curve and once naked she was to hot. She got some weed and we started smoking and doing short gun. I told her I love sex in weed and she agree also. We went to the room and as I was smoking she gave me nice blow job. We switch turn as she was smoking I sucked her pussy. It was great chemistry. We started kissing, sucking her nipples. She was very Sensitive to Her nipples. But I enjoyed it. Had sex with her mostly on cowgirl, doggy and standing position was very sexy and she was moaning a lot. I eventually came while on missionary. Great experience and felt no rush. One thing I have to stay this MDE girls they love what they do and enjoy a lot.

Elly.

I know Elly from Cartegana and since she loved to MDE decide to meet her. We had a whole night of fucking, dancing, drinking, smoking and other things. She is a gem and has lot of energy to party whole night. We had sex 3 times and it was in between when we were dancing, when we went to bed and when we got up in the morning. She is one of the girl who speak English very well. I didn't need any translator at all. Highly recommended.

Medellin is a gem for me. I will visit again.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2771000]It's very simple really. Strolling and socializing in parks and pedestrian zones like Junin is the only affordable entertainment for most of the population because it's free. Most Colombians are so poor that things we take for granted like movies, bars, restaurants and concerts are beyond their financial reach.[/QUOTE]I just spent 2 days in the north of Antioquia and Cordoba. Everywhere I went there were people just sitting around talking. I'm pretty sure they weren't waiting for gringos to rob, because they don't see very many.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2771098]Seems like jumping to conclusions to me.

America is an extreme society with a lot of issues, if you want to compare countries to figure something out it should never be treated as the norm.

1. Car culture and sunurbs that make extreme human isolation the norm.

2. Look at all the pop psychology articles published in the past 15 years talking about the extreme social issues around the average American having less than 1 close friend.[/QUOTE]I've got less than 1 close friend. Ever since he lost his arm.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771217]Ok, the ratings were from a 4 to a 7. One said she did not look Colombian. Some said she was not their type meaning that they would not pick her in a line up. BTW she is a former Miss Colombia and model. You guys have extremely high taste, LOL.[/QUOTE]Turgid, kudos to you for the clever dig on so many guys here. You just proved what I have always said about this forum.

I have found the best single measurement with regards to being in demand is dress type. My ideal woman is dress size 0, and the most desired women are US sized 0 to 4. Once you get higher than that, prices are going to go down as the women are less desired. Average American woman is dress size 12.

You can get an approximation here: [URL]https://www.macys.com/p/evening-dress-code/size-guide-for-body-types/[/URL].

Thing is yes, you see women with a 36 inch chest wearing size 0 and 2 dresses. In fact, all the Miss Colombians I looked up had a waist size of 24 or less putting them in the zero dress category with waist.

Once you get past 2 or 4, to me, the higher the dress size, the lower the demand is for the woman, and the lower the price. There is nothing subjective about that. For the guys who think this is subjective, show me a size 14 or higher beauty queen winner.

Subconsciously when looking at a market of woman, I look for the most fit women, the women with 0 to 4 dress sizes and see what they charge. Once you establish that baseline, you can subtract from that amount as you go higher on the dress size scale.

If you like hamburger as much as steak, that is to your advantage as you are paying less to eat. If you like women in dress size 10 or greater, then you should be happy you are getting it for less but do not kid yourself. Just like we all know there is more demand for steak than burgers, we know there is more demand for women with a dress size of zero than one who is 10 or higher.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771239]High taste? I don't think they have any taste at all. One can't rate a girl a 4 or a 5 just because she is not his type. If he does that, he is not being objective and that defeats the whole purpose of the rating. A girl who is a true 4/10 is plain ugly, has physical defects. A 5 is someone you would do only when drunk and if no other options are available. The girl you posted is definitely not a 4 or a 5. She might not be someone's type, I get it, but objectively, she is well above average looking, I personally would put her in the 7 to 8 range, based on the only photo posted. Someone has recently posted some Instagram girl with big tits and ass. Totally not my type, I would probably would never pick her, but I still would rate her at least 7-7. 5, because her face is cute, hair / skin etc look healthy, looks like she takes care of herself, and even though she is not slim, which is my preferred body type, I think her body is proportional.

Don't pay attention to the comments like, oh, she is not Colombian, I rate her a 3/10 or, she looks healthy but not my type, therefore, 4/10 - totally useless comments. If you want to post your rating, make sure you are able to explain it, the way TheCane did.

So, according to ISG voters, a former miss Colombia and a model gets only 5.5/10. So pathetic[/QUOTE]I wouldn't fuck her even if I was drunk, even if no one else was available and she was free. That means she's less than a 5, according to your definition. 4 sounds about right. Now if I wanted to hire someone to sell toothpaste or tampons, that's different. I'm looking at her for a specific purpose. On the other hand if I was hiring a foot model, there's no way she would get the job. Same for a hair model.

I've fucked a few times in my life. Enough times that I never have to fuck. I'll simply walk away and go to bed. I'll still have a dick tomorrow and there will still be pussy. So it never matters if a girl is on the cover of every magazine, I'm not rating her on anything other than my interest in fucking her.

Here is the bit where you're like a pig with a dildo, you can't seem to grasp it. Everyone is going to rate women differently. Some vary due to their mood. Some vary based on the woman's politics. Get a dictionary, look up "subjective", read the definition, then get someone to explain it to you. That's what any beauty scale is. Subjective.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771305]It was not me who posted the picture of the girl and asked to rate her. You guys are trashing the former miss Colombia rating her 4's and 5's, and obviously don't agree with all the people, judges, etc who voted for her.[/QUOTE]You talked me into it. Changing my rating to a 2.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771305]You guys are trashing the former miss Colombia rating her 4's and 5's, and obviously don't agree with all the people, judges, etc who voted for her.[/QUOTE]And what's wrong with that? Oh I get it. Bcos its not how YOUR measuring stick is calibrated.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771310]I think some men are proud and eager to try to "prove" they have high standards by being overly "tough" in their optics judgments, and in the process lose clear perspective. I have seen Turgid say that there's no such thing as having "taste" when it comes to determining who is attractive since it's all so objective, but I disagree. In my view, you have "optics taste" if people (both men and women) tend to agree with you more often than not when you say someone is attractive (or not). Seeing that this woman is allegedly a Miss Colombia, then in my way of thinking the odds are that more people will find her to be attractive than not. Meaning that if you fall into that group who thinks she's attractive then you have taste. And if you don't? Then you don't have taste LOL! At least not with respect to her anyway hehe![/QUOTE]I meant to say per Turgid (and others too) that it's all so "subjective".

[QUOTE=Hillbilly69;2771247]I can't argue with much that is posted about centro, dangerous place, two of my friends had cell phones stolen this week and I don't have many friends, one got classic pecker grab from a girl then took his Samsung 21 (first day newbie) other buddy was drunk and took girl for first time back to his room, gone cell phone, police did nothing, he tried saving 2 bucks LOL. A girl I know got stabbed and killed at hotel by fountain two days ago, police came in force this week the El Colombiano paper did a video on Botero park about all bums, crap smell and abandonment of park by the Mayor and police. Police drove out most of the hoodies out of the park last few days, the guys sitting between Premier hotel and Veracruz church are either protecting their GF who is hooking or stealing and extorting someone.

Yes Grille Occidental is best strip club in Centro but the block you have to travel into Bronx is crazy dangerous at night, best time get there is about 8 PM dead after 11 PM beers are 5 k each no cover charge anything goes as far as touching or inserting bills the other two on De Greif are more like bing parlors than a strip club lame as F. Get Uber or Indriver directly from club leaving after dark.

Tuesday afternoon is best day of week for girls from 5-7 PM get the hell out of park after that, I don't recommend taking a phone to centro at all but if you do make sure is a cheapie. Try not to wear your beach shorts and flip flops it isn't Sosua!

I know someone who will guide you in Centro if needed, he makes good body guard, PM me for his number if neeeded the info is priceless for first timers he knows all the centro casas as he used to work at them. Speaks English and Spanish he is a Colombian.

Few random pics.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the excellent coverage and photos in your post. It was pretty hard to find amongst the incessant arguing.

[QUOTE=ElPapi;2771315]Nani.

Humtyhump reviewed her and she did not disappoint. I booked for 10 pm and she actually came on time. Very sweet girl. Smile and laugh a lot. She is more of a party girl and we started drinking and dancing to music. Her body is very tight and sexy. Her ass is perfect. Most of the Colombian Girls have sexy ass. As we were dancing we were kissing deeply and I was touching her and also playing with her boobs. Once in the bed she gave me an amazing BJ. It was so good that I told her I want to cum on her mouth and she agreed. We the. Switch position mish, doggy, cowgirl and eventually came in her mouth. She swallows every drop it. I didn't realized she also squirt a lot. The bed was wet and I liked it. We spend some more time chilling and drinking and eventually repeat above session. Very satisfying and highly recommended.[/QUOTE]Hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as squirting, it's literally just piss. She pissed all over your bed.

Anyway, how much were the FB girls?

Instagram / social media has brainwashed some of you guys. I'm not fucking some stick with 4+ plastic surgeries and sure as hell not paying hand over fist for it. Stay getting played suckers.

[QUOTE=Projektzer;2771284]LOL are you outing yourself as a white nationalist? Wtf is this? I'm here for fun under the sun not white boy fever dreams.[/QUOTE]Quite the opposite actually. It was a poke against those that fear the GR. I don't GAF bcos I am not from there.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771320] For the guys who think this is subjective, show me a size 14 or higher beauty queen winner.
.[/QUOTE]In many cultures, obesity is seen as a sign of afluence. Guys turn their noses up at 'poor' skinny girls. So yeah, there are plenty of larger girls that are ranked high. Maybe USA schools should do exchanges with students from those countries. Hehe.

Look at the girls in this beauty pageant and tell me how many you think are real beauties:
https://www.malawivoice.com/2022/07/28/over-100-beauty-queens-register-for-miss-malawi-beauty-pageant/

It is an up and coming neighborhood. The tranvia improved it enormously.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2771285]Just replying to the poster that originally asked about it. I stayed couple times in Bombona area, which I guess is technically where this casa is located.

Don't know much about the BA neighborhood but I have strolled couple times at late evening (7-10) alongside the tranvia line from San Jose to Buenos Aires station and I'd say it's relatively safe; it was always lively, lots of people, some street performers, many food places (especially around BA station), bars and some clubs too I think. Got to be extra aware of chicos whizzing downhill at amazing speeds on their bicycles though; silent and the meeting could be deadly.[/QUOTE]

I think its great that some mongers like to save money fucking the fat ugly girls. Cuts down on the competition for the hot ones.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771310]I think some men are proud and eager to try to "prove" they have high standards by being overly "tough" in their optics judgments, and in the process lose clear perspective. I have seen Turgid say that there's no such thing as having "taste" when it comes to determining who is attractive since it's all so objective, but I disagree. In my view, you have "optics taste" if people (both men and women) tend to agree with you more often than not when you say someone is attractive (or not). Seeing that this woman is allegedly a Miss Colombia, then in my way of thinking the odds are that more people will find her to be attractive than not. Meaning that if you fall into that group who thinks she's attractive then you have taste. And if you don't? Then you don't have taste LOL! At least not with respect to her anyway hehe![/QUOTE]Not at all.

I won't speak for anyone else, but I'm purpose driven. When I'm driving I have a purpose. Even when I'm just driving for no reason I'm still focused on the process.

When I'm rating a woman on a website named "International Sex Guide" then I'm rating her on how sexually appealing I find her. Because it's on a website called "International Sex Guide. " That's my purpose, find women, fuck women. Now if it was on a website called "Do you think other guys think this woman is beautiful" I would have a different opinion.

If I was sitting in a bar with friends checking out the women walking past, then I would point out each woman to the guy who was most likely to find her attractive. What I wouldn't do, because I have clear title to my testicles, is rate the girl a high number based on what I the other guys are rating her. I would simply say "not my type. ".

Of course we could all just throw out random numbers for every girl depending on what we think the majority will say. It would be even more useless, but at least you would be happy.

By the way, beauty contests usually use a very narrow definition of beauty. They don't represent a majority opinion. If you're rating based on beauty pageants you are basically asking Frito Lay what kind of snack is best.

Went to Medellin for the first time last month, stayed 10 days or so. Figured I'd pass along some thoughts. Great trip, will definitely be back.

First off, really liked Medellin as a city. Beautiful, warm, tucked away in the mountains. I liked it much better than Bogota and Cartagena, and I liked the vibe of the people too. I stayed in Poblado and didn't venture out into anywhere halfway dangerous and it felt safer than I expected. Note, I'm well aware feeling safe is not the same as being safe, having lived in Latin America before, but there's clearly a conscious effort in the nice areas to emphasize security to cater to the middle class and travelers and that goes a long way. I think with my natural precautions the odds of anything bad happening were very low.

I rented an AirBNB with visitor friendly security and just invited girls over from Facebook. Very easy to set up and had a girl over every day. Just followed the instructions oft repeated here for adding girls and was patient. I started a year out and had a list of girls to see that I contacted a week and a half out. Honestly, the only thing I regret is that I even sent out an "I'm here" picture post, because I didn't end up responding to a single unsolicited message and I got plenty. I didn't want to waste their time with small talk when I wasn't sure if I'd have time to see them and of the women I contacted proactively, I think every one but one got back to me so I didn't need to build an additional bench as it turned out. Oh well. Hopefully the attractive ones who reached out won't hold it against me when I contact them next time.

Colombian girls will sometimes get a bit of a bad rap here for being late, and I will say in their defense traffic is awfully bad. I think a lot of the girls really are trying to be on time but it's just unpredictable. I of course had late women and cancellations but the cancellations were both at least a few hours in advance and I had about as many girls that were early as were late.

As far as the girls go, it was a mixed bag. Some were kind of cold in person and I even got one holding me back with her hands as I fucked her which I had never experienced before. But others were very warm, eager to please and fun. Not one was what I'd call a bad experience, unless you count the one with the cold who didn't warn me in advance. I really didn't want to get sick and luckily I didn't. I'd say about half asked for condoms for penetration and the other half didn't. My general approach was if they asked about money, I'd specifically outline what I wanted and what I'd pay. If they didn't ask, I didn't bring up any services. I think some of them like the artifice of meeting a guy for a date and being given a gift at the end as opposed to being explicit about taking money for sex. Either way was fine by me. And I had no problems with the girls who didn't bring up anything. We just chatted, fucked, and they accepted what I gave them at the end gratefully. I would say of my two favorite experiences, one was a girl who asked about money first thing and clearly is doing this regularly and the other was a student who just finished her finals for psychology, never brought up money or services once, and let me nut inside her.

The most wild evening of the trip came in my attempt to have a three way. I invited a girl I'd already seen and had a great time with to bring a friend and because I'd been warned here about trios being you just taking turns fucking the two when she said trio I specifically said basically I've heard trios are just the guy taking turns fucking the two girls and I don't want that, I want all three of us fucking together and described a couple acts I'd like, and I said if you're not up for that I'd rather just see you again alone. Well, she said yes I understand you'll get what you want, but I got the Colombian trio I specified I didn't want anyway. Oh well. At least I jizzed all over their faces together at the end. But that isn't the wild part. Her friend showed up at the building without her physical cedula, only a picture on her phone and they had a long conversation with security while I stood by which was pretty embarrassing. I basically tried to encourage the friend to leave and said I'd pay her a little for the trip but eventually they talked the security guy into letting the friend in. I'm still not clear how. Their driver (the brother of the original girl who chauffeurs his sister to her dates) gave them his ID instead. The girl was clearly in her mid 20's to late 20's (she showed me a picture of her 7 year old son later), so that likely helped. Then to make things weirder the two girls started arguing over the course of our session. My Spanish is mid level so I was getting some of it but not all of it and at one point as one of the girls was riding me she was arguing so forcefully with the other girl I thought she might literally physically go after her. It was bizarre. She'd then roll her eyes at me like "can you believe this * when the other girl wasn't looking. Perhaps that's part of why they didn't do too much licking each other's pussies, although they were nice to me the whole time.

Two miscellaneous notes. Rappi is great. Cheap prices and the drivers get there quick because they ride around on motorbikes to avoid the car congestion. It's easy to order any drugs you need from them too, including stuff you can't get over the counter in the US. And second, if you don't like noise, be prepared for it. I was in a quiet area, no parties the entire time I was there, and 15 floors up. But I still needed the white noise on my phone because of the openings in the windows and the fact Colombia doesn't regulate car noises that much so you'll have these vehicles driving around without mufflers in the middle of the night making levels of noise that I think would get them arrested in some US cities. Not easy to avoid.

One question for other people here. I really, really liked the ease of being able to get the girls on Facebook and having the ability to know more about them than just what's on an escort website, rather than wandering around an area where everyone knows I'm there for sex. Medellin seems a little unique in that regard, but what other places offer something comparable, where the online game is pretty ubiquitous, whether on Facebook or Seeking or whatever? Is there anywhere like that among the top Asian destinations? I just so much prefer that to going to a bar or a brothel.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2771361]Instagram / social media has brainwashed some of you guys. I'm not fucking some stick with 4+ plastic surgeries and sure as hell not paying hand over fist for it. Stay getting played suckers.[/QUOTE]Nobody cares what you like. You want to fuck basic bitches good for you. No need to bash the preferences of others.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2771394]I think its great that some mongers like to save money fucking the fat ugly girls. Cuts down on the competition for the hot ones.[/QUOTE]Your comment is self defeating. Based on your logic, you should go to Brazil where you can get VS mode type much easier and you have less competition because the price is also way higher.

[QUOTE=Hillbilly69;2771247] A girl I know got stabbed and killed at hotel by fountain two days ago,[/QUOTE]Do you know more about the circumstances? What happened? Which hotel?

Great report BTW.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771320] My ideal woman is dress size 0[/QUOTE]In order to most closely match your IQ?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771433]Your comment is self defeating. Based on your logic, you should go to Brazil where you can get VS mode type much easier and you have less competition because the price is also way higher.[/QUOTE]Brasil, the land of round bundas?

I'm in an AirBnB in Laureles. Small place but has everything that was promised. At like $25 per night it'll do.

2 dates were setup. The first one, a Negra in her late 20's, actually came early to the appointment. She's a known FB chicka from my last visit. She didn't disappoint this time either. I tried some more kinky moves and she was all ears. That made me really horny. DATY, BBBJ, 69, fingering (especially the finger in the ass was popular) and various positions ended in making us both very happy. It set me back 250 mil mas taxi.

The second date. A Paisa mid 20's. Also a FB repeat from last visit. She's a bit timid and shy and my communication skills do not improve that situation. We ordered a Burrito from Rappi. The restaurant was like 2 blocks away, but we had to wait 2 hours before it was delivered. Taco House Laureles was the place. The driver said that the restaurant had sent him off to deliver in Poblado before delivering to us. Anyway, after dinner I offered to give her a massage. Clothes went off and joyous groans was heard. One thing led to another. Seriously I might be too old to have 2 shots on one day because this time it was a no go. Or it's the shy attitude with little action from her side (no starfish but not super active). She's very nice girl, next door cute. She put in some effort but not that much feeling behind. Some fake moaning didn't make things better. This time the deal was 200 mil mas taxi. It ended up about the same total as the first date counting the Rappi order.

Popeye is pleased with the game starting up.

[QUOTE=Combo;2771490]Brasil, the land of round bundas?[/QUOTE]Haha, but I am referring to the body height and type in this case. One can always find others who spend more. By the same logic, he is in fact calling himself cheap and not knowing it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771310]I think some men are proud and eager to try to "prove" they have high standards by being overly "tough" in their optics judgments, and in the process lose clear perspective. I have seen Turgid say that there's no such thing as having "taste" when it comes to determining who is attractive since it's all so objective, but I disagree. In my view, you have "optics taste" if people (both men and women) tend to agree with you more often than not when you say someone is attractive (or not). Seeing that this woman is allegedly a Miss Colombia, then in my way of thinking the odds are that more people will find her to be attractive than not. Meaning that if you fall into that group who thinks she's attractive then you have taste. And if you don't? Then you don't have taste LOL! At least not with respect to her anyway hehe![/QUOTE]First of all I will give you the benefit of the doubt and conclude that you meant subjective rather than objective for it is the mantra in many posts that I have written that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everybody obviously has taste i. e. his taste. If you will go back to the original post you will see that the gist of my disagreement was someone thinking that he has better taste than another. Many have rated the woman you rated a 7 as 5 or less. JjBee62 said about her: "I wouldn't fuck her even if I was drunk, even if no one else was available and she was free. That means she's less than a 5". Do they have better taste than you?
I am happy with my taste. I will not accept anyone telling me that they have better taste than me. Yes, I will occasionally bang a woman I rate less than a 7 but that has nothing to do with my taste, just a matter of how horny I am at a particular point in time hehe.
I still rate my boyhood pin up a 10 at the time the photo was taken and I don't care what any of you guys rate her.

Most men would fuck pretty much anything when horny. But that definition, is there any women that's less than a 5?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771519]"I wouldn't fuck her even if I was drunk, even if no one else was available and she was free. That means she's less than a 5". [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2771422]Nobody cares what you like. You want to fuck basic bitches good for you. No need to bash the preferences of others.[/QUOTE]Wtf is a "basic chica" 99.9% of these girls are broke compared to the average monger.

[QUOTE=Luminous;2771520]Most men would fuck pretty much anything when horny. But that definition, is there any women that's less than a 5?[/QUOTE]I spent several years doing just that. Then one horny night I went to the apartment of a girl I chatted a bit with online. It was late, real late. Her online name was "Dollface" so I was hoping for something worthwhile. Wrong.

The apartment was filthy, garbage everywhere. Ashtrays all had mountains of cigarette butts and she didn't stop smoking while I was there. "Dollface" was accurate, if you're talking horror movies. I stayed just long enough to make an excuse and get out. That ended my "anything if I'm horny" phase for about 20 years. Had a pretty good run during that time. Then I was single again and using dating sites. Fucked a few who I normally would have passed on. Then I met another horror story. Missing most of her teeth, chain smoking. Body looked like she was in the early stages of becoming The Blob. And she was ready to fuck, while I was ready to vomit. That was the day before I started mongering.

Now I make very few compromises. There's no reason to. When I'm in Colombia, I can almost always find someone who meets all my requirements. If not, send out some messages and wait. Worst case, there's always a rub and tug at Rio Sur.

Got settled into my Provenza apartment last night and decided to take a walk. Between 8:30 and 10:30 there were plenty of girls on Calle 10 and at the west end of the park. Saw a few on the streets around Lleras, but none in the crowds of Provenza, at least none who were looking for dates. There were several very attractive girls early, but later the quality was much less. If there was any doubt about whether some of the girls also work El Centro, several times I heard the psspsspss that many of the girls use along Veracruz.

I even saw Frankenstein out for the first time in years. About 5 years ago she was working the park every night. She was probably cute at one time, before she started getting cheap plastic surgery. She looked terrible years ago and looks worse now.

Provenza was packed with people and there was a decent crowd in Parque Lleras. It doesn't look like the park renovation will be finished anytime soon.

Decided to get a burger at Hooters just to see the incredible beauties someone was raving about last year. There was a tall girl with a cute face, for those who like the tall ones. The manager was the only one who deserved to wear a Hooters shirt. The best one, IMO, was a black girl. Overall, didn't see anything that made me drool.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2771422]Nobody cares what you like. You want to fuck basic bitches good for you. No need to bash the preferences of others.[/QUOTE]Look at it this way:

Even if some guys have only fucked "basic bitches", Even if they've only fucked fat and ugly women, they've still had more and better sex in Medellin than you.

You're looking for women (from far away) who have had at least 2 or 3 expertly done surgical procedures, who will be willing to meet and have sex with you. Most of the guys on this board will have 4 fucks or more before you can even get a response from someone. Chances are, almost everyone else will have as much sex as they want, while you'll be lucky to get laid twice.

Great report. Curious about the prices the girls charged and what they looked like LOL.

I love when its rainy in Medellin and I just order in Rappi and chicas for a few days. Heaven!

[QUOTE=ElPapi;2771315]Had an amazing 2 nights and 3 days in Medellin. Thanks to HumptyHump for your valuable feedback. Since it was a last minute decision he kind a help and guide me through the entire trip including girls, where to stay and where to go to roam around. He also msg me while I was in Medellin to ensure I was ok. Thanks a lot brother.

During my trip I meet 4 FB girls and one girl from the Do Spa.

Keller.

Humtyhump recommend me this girl from FB and I communicated her the day I was traveling. Mind it Immigration in MDE takes long time almost 40-60 min. After the immigration I took the taxi to my Airbnb. Stayed in Laurels and the location was amazing close to everything. I msg Keller after setting down and she said she can be there within 30 min. I quickly took a shower and went out to a pharmacy next door and bought the condoms and had some snacks on a coffee shop. Keller msg that she is downstairs and I went back and saw her waiting. She is so cute and pretty. We hugged and then went upstairs in the apartment. I bought some beer so we started drinking and then she started taking off her clothes. She has a nice curvy Colombian body with sexy ass. Her body was so soft and keep touching and kissing her. We went to bed and she started panting with her pussy. She allowed me to video her pussy fingering. We started DFK and I was squeezing her boobs. It was so nice and soft boobs and her nipples were pointy perfect for sucking. She gave a me decent BJ and no rush. As I was sucking her nipples she put the condom and I slowly insert into her vagina. I find her push very tight and as I was pounding her felt like I was crossing two layer inside her pussy. Great feeling and she was enjoying also. We change to multiple position and finally came in doggy. We relax for a bit and then eventually she left. She was no nice, no drama and very down to earth. She also hooked me up with her friends and told me she does trio with her friend. Next time I will do trio with her. Highly recommended girl. Everything about her was perfect.

Nani.

Humtyhump reviewed her and she did not disappoint. I booked for 10 pm and she actually came on time. Very sweet girl. Smile and laugh a lot. She is more of a party girl and we started drinking and dancing to music. Her body is very tight and sexy. Her ass is perfect. Most of the Colombian Girls have sexy ass. As we were dancing we were kissing deeply and I was touching her and also playing with her boobs. Once in the bed she gave me an amazing BJ. It was so good that I told her I want to cum on her mouth and she agreed. We the. Switch position mish, doggy, cowgirl and eventually came in her mouth. She swallows every drop it. I didn't realized she also squirt a lot. The bed was wet and I liked it. We spend some more time chilling and drinking and eventually repeat above session. Very satisfying and highly recommended.

Sophia.

Next day morning I wanted to see someone as o enjoyed morning sex lot. Found Sophia from FB and she was available. Set up a time and she came to my apartment at 10 am. She is only 19 and have a sexy petite body. She is tall and nice curve and once naked she was to hot. She got some weed and we started smoking and doing short gun. I told her I love sex in weed and she agree also. We went to the room and as I was smoking she gave me nice blow job. We switch turn as she was smoking I sucked her pussy. It was great chemistry. We started kissing, sucking her nipples. She was very Sensitive to Her nipples. But I enjoyed it. Had sex with her mostly on cowgirl, doggy and standing position was very sexy and she was moaning a lot. I eventually came while on missionary. Great experience and felt no rush. One thing I have to stay this MDE girls they love what they do and enjoy a lot.

Elly.

I know Elly from Cartegana and since she loved to MDE decide to meet her. We had a whole night of fucking, dancing, drinking, smoking and other things. She is a gem and has lot of energy to party whole night. We had sex 3 times and it was in between when we were dancing, when we went to bed and when we got up in the morning. She is one of the girl who speak English very well. I didn't need any translator at all. Highly recommended.

Medellin is a gem for me. I will visit again.[/QUOTE]

Have fun with the middle linebacker built Serena types. Good for you.

Have fun with the girl that has 10 lbs on you. Good for you.

Have fun with the thin model types. Good for you.

Have fun with the homely basux country paisa girl or the dolled up plasticy silicon brickhouse type good for you.

Everybody is happy. But just stop with chest pounding about my preference is the best and yours sucks. It's like a pack of junior high girls buckering. Think about it, how pathetic is your life that you are seeking street cred, confirmation, and attention seeking on a damn puta mongering board.

Pathetic. Take it to the "stupid shit in Medellin" topic because that is all it is.

[QUOTE=FunForAll37;2771408]One question for other people here. I really, really liked the ease of being able to get the girls on Facebook and having the ability to know more about them than just what's on an escort website, rather than wandering around an area where everyone knows I'm there for sex. Medellin seems a little unique in that regard, but what other places offer something comparable, where the online game is pretty ubiquitous, whether on Facebook or Seeking or whatever? Is there anywhere like that among the top Asian destinations? I just so much prefer that to going to a bar or a brothel.[/QUOTE]It isn't Asia but Buenos Aires is like that now. All online and tons of it.

[QUOTE=FunForAll37;2771408]Went to Medellin for the first time last month, stayed 10 days or so. Figured I'd pass along some thoughts. Great trip, will definitely be back.

First off, really liked Medellin as a city. Beautiful, warm, tucked away in the mountains. I liked it much better than Bogota and Cartagena, and I liked the vibe of the people too. I stayed in Poblado and didn't venture out into anywhere halfway dangerous and it felt safer than I expected. Note, I'm well aware feeling safe is not the same as being safe, having lived in Latin America before, but there's clearly a conscious effort in the nice areas to emphasize security to cater to the middle class and travelers and that goes a long way. I think with my natural precautions the odds of anything bad happening were very low.
nations?[/QUOTE]Thank you for the incredible report. This was very informative. I know you basically said you kept things brief when communicating on Facebook, but if you are willing, could you please elaborate a bit more on how you went about starting online communication and setting up dates on the app? Did you just add them and message a price amount as the first message or did you talk to them a bit first? Would be super appreciative if you could share your online tactics because it seems your trip was a huge success.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771370]In many cultures, obesity is seen as a sign of afluence. Guys turn their noses up at 'poor' skinny girls.[/QUOTE]Not anymore. Men are subconsciously attracted to healthy women. In the past, the heavier women were seen as healthier. That is not the case now. Even in Bolivia, the poorest country in South America, the models were dress size zero types.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771370]ILook at the girls in this beauty pageant and tell me how many you think are real beauties:
https://www.malawivoice.com/2022/07/28/over-100-beauty-queens-register-for-miss-malawi-beauty-pageant/[/QUOTE]Most are beauties, but most would be dress size 0 to 4. The exception to the rule is when you have bigger men. Those guys may go up to dress size 6 or 8. One stripper I talked to said, "I have to lose weight. The only guys who want dances from me now are Mexicans and blacks. " And she went from like a dress size 2 to a 6.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771370]Maybe USA schools should do exchanges with students from those countries. Hehe.[/QUOTE]Those foreign women would get fat here in no time. I cannot tell you how many foreign thin women I have seen bulk up here after a year or two.

I still think the reason there are so many Colombian beauties is because the food in Colombia sucks.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2771521]Wtf is a "basic chica"[/QUOTE]Must be a one without all the extra addons like fake ass, man made boobs, fish lips, attached hair etc.

I like basic chicas.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771433]Your comment is self defeating. Based on your logic, you should go to Brazil where you can get VS mode type much easier and you have less competition because the price is also way higher.[/QUOTE]You are the last person in the world that I would take advice from but I will go to Brazil someday anyway because I like beaches and warm oceans. And I will go first class.

WHile there are some VS models I find attractive, I have never viewed them as being the cream of the crop (and that goes for models in general). Give me a flaca with a pretty face and smile, no surgeries or other work, and not horrible tats. And that's my idea of hot.

We can agree to disagree, but there is not a strong correlation, in my opinion, between cost and looks (including body type). I have my limits on what I pay and I can generally get what I want. And that is not a fat girl, or a girl with horrible tatoos, a tussi user or alcoholic, and / or a used up working girl. I avoid the so-called 10's. They are not hot. To me, hot is natural. And they can be found if you put the work in. And it can cost you less than you think. Sometimes even free (other than taxi).

To each his own.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2771394]I think its great that some mongers like to save money fucking the fat ugly girls. Cuts down on the competition for the hot ones.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, I have read quite of this forum and I'm coming to Colombia for first time in 1 week from now, will be staying 40+ days, Medellin to start. Have many trips behind me, but south america for the first time.

I've read plenty about zombie drug and other things that I need to be careful off. I have 2 questions related mostly with security.

Would you recommend when bringking up a girl in my place, should I lock the door and put the key in the safe or is that bit too much? Do you have a different approach? Ofcourse will keep an eye on my drink, don't want to get drugged.

First few days I plan to go around center of Poblado, parque Poblado and so on, would you recommend leaving the phone at the apartment and just take cash with me?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771337]I meant to say per Turgid (and others too) that it's all so "subjective".[/QUOTE]First of all, I did mean to say "subjective", and I corrected myself with the above-referenced post.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771519]First of all I will give you the benefit of the doubt and conclude that you meant subjective rather than objective for it is the mantra in many posts that I have written that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everybody obviously has taste i. e. his taste. I am happy with my taste. I will not accept anyone telling me that they have better taste than me. Yes, I will occasionally bang a woman I rate less than a 7 but that has nothing to do with my taste, just a matter of how horny I am at a particular point in time hehe. I still rate my boyhood pin up a 10 at the time the photo was taken and I don't care what any of you guys rate her.[/QUOTE]Second, this whole debate started because of you and your inquiry. So don't go and start getting all defensive and salty if people give you responses that you don't like hearing. If you don't really want to hear what people think then don't ask, and especially not in a public forum like this one. And of course obviously everybody has taste. But what's clearly not so obvious is that some have good taste while others have bad taste! In fact, that's a truism often not obvious at all to the ones with bad taste hahaha! You're known for saying somebody else's 10 is likely your 5. Yeah? Well we're still waiting to see some "real" pics of who you've been fucking then. Not pics of Miss Colombia or Raquel Welch (or whoever that is). No, let's see some real tutes you been fucking and then let the court of public opinion decide. All mongers should be prepared to put their ratings where their mouths are if they insist on criticizing the tastes of other fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2771406]By the way, beauty contests usually use a very narrow definition of beauty. They don't represent a majority opinion. If you're rating based on beauty pageants you are basically asking Frito Lay what kind of snack is best.[/QUOTE]Uh, I don't get your Frito-Lay analogy (other than it's another "salty" comment LMAO), but I didn't rate her based "on beauty pageants". Like most everybody else here, I didn't know she was a Miss Colombia until so told. Also, I think I was quite clear in my posts that I don't think the fact that somebody is supposedly a pageant beauty queen is dispositive of anything. I've seen plenty of pageant participants (including winners) who did nothing for me in the sexual attractiveness department. Happy Holidays and peace and goodwill to all men and mongers (tutes too) on earth!

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2771590]Must be a one without all the extra addons like fake ass, man made boobs, fish lips, attached hair etc.
.[/QUOTE]Haha, classic. One that hasnt been enhanced.

[QUOTE=Premiumbetter;2771608]Would you recommend when bringking up a girl in my place, should I lock the door and put the key in the safe or is that bit too much? Do you have a different approach?[/QUOTE]If I were the woman, this would scare the snot out of me. It depends where you are staying. Some places will keep their ID and not let them leave until they call you and make sure all is well. That is my personal favorite approach.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771589]Not anymore. Men are subconsciously attracted to healthy women. In the past, the heavier women were seen as healthier. That is not the case now. Even in Bolivia, the poorest country in South America,
[/QUOTE]Have you been to Africa recently? Still going strong there. Also Pacific. Its a case of wealthier, not heallthier. Fat women, new shoes, satellite TV, all are subjectively desirable items.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2771552]Look at it this way:

Even if some guys have only fucked "basic bitches", Even if they've only fucked fat and ugly women, they've still had more and better sex in Medellin than you.

You're looking for women (from far away) who have had at least 2 or 3 expertly done surgical procedures, who will be willing to meet and have sex with you. Most of the guys on this board will have 4 fucks or more before you can even get a response from someone. Chances are, almost everyone else will have as much sex as they want, while you'll be lucky to get laid twice.[/QUOTE]I prefer quality over quantity and would gladly take 1 or 2 memorable sessions with an attractive girl that I really like / crave vs 10 mediocre sessions with centro SW uglies.

BTW you have no clue how much sex the poster had or will have to make such profound statement.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771618]
You're known for saying somebody else's 10 is likely your 5. Yeah? Well we're still waiting to see some "real" pics of who you've been fucking then. Not pics of Miss Colombia or Raquel Welch (or whoever that is). No, let's see some real tutes you been fucking and then let the court of public opinion decide. All mongers should be prepared to put their ratings where their mouths are if they insist on criticizing the tastes of other fellow mongers.

[/QUOTE]Centro rats (BBJ, TK, and others) are known for that. Can't wait for them to post pics of the girls they fucked, but something tells me we will not see any. BBJ would rather suck his own dick than fuck a former miss Colombia for free.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771683]I prefer quality over quantity and would gladly take 1 or 2 memorable sessions with an attractive girl that I really like / crave vs 10 mediocre sessions with centro SW uglies.

BTW you have no clue how much sex the poster had or will have to make such profound statement.[/QUOTE]He has yet to venture into Colombia. Maybe I'm way off base, but I always thought it was impossible to have sex with women in Colombia without physically being in Colombia. If you can explain that it'll save all of us a lot of travel costs.

Certainly I'm guessing about how much sex he will have once he gets to Colombia. However, based on the experiences of others there's, in my opinion, a good chance his trip will run into problems.

As for the other silliness, I've never had an El Centro SW, ugly or otherwise. Haven't had many mediocre sessions either. I'm also smart enough to realize that very few people who keep coming back to Medellin are having mediocre sex (from their perspective) with ugly women (from their perspective). They are enjoying themselves. That's why they keep coming back.

Now their sessions are probably different from mine, and they're probably not doing the same women, just as they aren't eating the same foods, drinking the same drinks or shitting in the same toilet. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you believe all the women you've never seen that are being fucked by guys you've never met are ugly. What matters is that each person finds a way to do what makes them happy.

The place was rocking a few months ago. Jam packed but was almost deserted on a sat night recently around 8/9 pm. Very few girls, rare tourists. Was I too early?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771685]Centro rats (BBJ, TK, and others) are known for that. Can't wait for them to post pics of the girls they fucked, but something tells me we will not see any. BBJ would rather suck his own dick than fuck a former miss Colombia for free.[/QUOTE]I am not doubting the types of women that you said you have fucked.

I think Centro mongers posted more pictures than any mongers that fuck the 9's or 10's. You can find pictures in Wofl62's posts and there are others. There is practically 0 post or very few from mongers that fucked the 9's or 10's showing the pictures of women they fucked or available with the exception of Elvis. I remember you showed an European IG model that is not even someone you fucked or in Colombia. The description about these women is always associated with numbers, and labels. The sex is always "great" but no detail provided on what makes it great.

[QUOTE=Premiumbetter;2771608]Hey guys, I have read quite of this forum and I'm coming to Colombia for first time in 1 week from now, will be staying 40+ days, Medellin to start. Have many trips behind me, but south america for the first time.

I've read plenty about zombie drug and other things that I need to be careful off. I have 2 questions related mostly with security.

Would you recommend when bringking up a girl in my place, should I lock the door and put the key in the safe or is that bit too much? Do you have a different approach? Ofcourse will keep an eye on my drink, don't want to get drugged.

First few days I plan to go around center of Poblado, parque Poblado and so on, would you recommend leaving the phone at the apartment and just take cash with me?[/QUOTE]I think if you are worry about drugging, you need to separate your important stuff from you so they can't get to it, like a different place. Or find a place that they can't leave without you being conscious. Phone can be considered a safety device too, so buy a cheap phone. You can get a new Samsung phone for about 80 USD in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771685]Centro rats (BBJ, TK, and others) are known for that. Can't wait for them to post pics of the girls they fucked, but something tells me we will not see any.[/QUOTE]I don't take pics of girls. It doesn't interest me. I don't use a 1-10 rating scale so even if I had pics I would not know who was a 9 or 10 anyway. And lastly, why would I GAF what you or anyone else thinks of a girl I fkd?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771810]I don't take pics of girls. It doesn't interest me. I don't use a 1-10 rating scale so even if I had pics I would not know who was a 9 or 10 anyway. And lastly, why would I GAF what you or anyone else thinks of a girl I fkd?[/QUOTE]I also don't care what a bunch of strangers think about the girls that I see. I don't think that anyone should care. Just see the girls that you want to see and if they are attractive to you, that should be enough. You don't need the validation from a bunch of people you don't know or even people you know. I have had friends criticize some of the girls that I have seen and I don't really care about it. If I think the girl is attractive and we had a good time, regardless of what others think, I would see her again. As many have stated, beauty is very subjective, and one man's 10 is another's 5.

Hello all, does anyone know if there is a cambio with good exchange rate near San Peter Suites? I will be there in a week and need to exchange some USD. Or is it better to use an ATM?

TIA.

I only try to rent places with security so they take a picture of the girls cedula before she comes in and it prevents and accomplice from free entry.

I also tip the guard upfront and ask them to not let the girl leave till they call me to confirm everything is ok.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771808]I think if you are worry about drugging, you need to separate your important stuff from you so they can't get to it, like a different place. Or find a place that they can't leave without you being conscious. Phone can be considered a safety device too, so buy a cheap phone. You can get a new Samsung phone for about 80 USD in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2771567]It isn't Asia but Buenos Aires is like that now. All online and tons of it.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I shall research further on the right venues (I seem to recall a mention of Seeking being big there once) and pricing as I do like Buenos Aires.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771685]Centro rats (BBJ, TK, and others) are known for that. Can't wait for them to post pics of the girls they fucked, but something tells me we will not see any. BBJ would rather suck his own dick than fuck a former miss Colombia for free.[/QUOTE]I can't fathom where in your oxygen starved brain you decided I was a Centro rat. I've never earned my whiskers. Never taken a street girl in Colombia. Have written about that fact many times. I've been to some of the casas, in Centro and Laureles, but I've probably taken a girl less than half the time. I've been to the clubs in Centro and taken a couple of girls, although not in years (same with the casas). I even went to the Mansion once to see what it's about. About the only unique venue I haven't visited is Loutron.

However, I enjoy El Centro. I'll happily spend hours just walking and watching the people. There's a beauty to El Centro which most are incapable of seeing. Until you can connect with that, you'll just be another lost gringo.

I've mostly been a Facebook guy. Wrote some definitive posts about Facebook. If you've used Facebook chances are you benefitted from my efforts. A couple of years ago I branched out, found a mostly untapped source and have been using those connections. There are advantages and disadvantages, like anything else, but I'm happy with it.

On a few occasions I've posted pics of girls I've fucked. I don't do it often because I usually don't take photos. It's interesting you bring it up because the only photos I remember you posting were of girls who wouldn't even respond to you. Tell you what. When you post a picture of a girl you've fucked, I'll post another of a girl I've fucked.

I will say you must have a remarkable penis. It can read resumes? Wow! Mine just knows whether a pussy is tight or loose, wet or dry, shaved or hairy, etc. It can tell when it's being handled expertly. All the other stuff it leaves to me. I don't get excited by titles, or other people's opinions. I look at a woman and decide what I like, what I don't like and whether I would fuck her. I don't like tall women, or women with big feet. I don't like thick thighs or unusually large breasts or asses. There are other things, but one of the most important factors is attitude. Add in my current mood. My perfect woman could be standing naked in front of me begging to fuck and if I'm not feeling like fucking, she'll have to wait.

[QUOTE=RedWaters44;2771586]Thank you for the incredible report. This was very informative. I know you basically said you kept things brief when communicating on Facebook, but if you are willing, could you please elaborate a bit more on how you went about starting online communication and setting up dates on the app? Did you just add them and message a price amount as the first message or did you talk to them a bit first? Would be super appreciative if you could share your online tactics because it seems your trip was a huge success.[/QUOTE]I kept it very simple. When messaging shortly before my trip I just said I was going to be in Medellin in a week and a half, gave them a sincere compliment, whether just saying they were beautiful or I liked their smile or whatever struck me about their pictures, and said I wanted to meet them when I was there. And then when I arrived and was ready to see them I'd say I was there and asked if they were available today / tomorrow or tomorrow / the day after or whenever I was looking to schedule. Very direct. I'd then answer whatever questions they had about or make small talk if they wanted to. And I don't have enough experience to know if this made a difference but when they agreed to a time (and a price if applicable), I gave them a set of instructions about the building address, to dress conservatively, my Whatsapp number, to text when they arrived so I could meet them etc. My thinking is the specificity of the instructions made it clear the meeting was real and expected so they'd be less likely to cancel than if we just agreed, "yeah, we're meeting tomorrow, talk then. " As alluded to, I still did have two cancellations over the course of the trip but batting average was pretty high and of those two, I rescheduled one and saw her and the other wanted to reschedule but I was less pleased with how she handled the cancellation so I said I wouldn't have time to see her this time.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2771618]......Second, this whole debate started because of you and your inquiry. So don't go and start getting all defensive and salty if people give you responses that you don't like hearing. If you don't really want to hear what people think then don't ask, and especially not in a public forum like this one. And of course obviously everybody has taste. But what's clearly not so obvious is that some have good taste while others have bad taste! In fact, that's a truism often not obvious at all to the ones with bad taste hahaha! You're known for saying somebody else's 10 is likely your 5. Yeah? Well we're still waiting to see some "real" pics of who you've been fucking then. Not pics of Miss Colombia or Raquel Welch (or whoever that is). No, let's see some real tutes you been fucking and then let the court of public opinion decide. All mongers should be prepared to put their ratings where their mouths are if they insist on criticizing the tastes of other fellow mongers......[/QUOTE]"....just stop with chest pounding about my preference is the best and yours sucks. It's like a pack of junior high girls buckering. Think about it, how pathetic is your life that you are seeking street cred, confirmation, and attention seeking on a damn puta mongering board.

Pathetic. ".

Posted earlier by another monger. Applies perfectly to you Cane.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771805]I am not doubting the types of women that you said you have fucked.

I think Centro mongers posted more pictures than any mongers that fuck the 9's or 10's. You can find pictures in Wofl62's posts and there are others. There is practically 0 post or very few from mongers that fucked the 9's or 10's showing the pictures of women they fucked or available with the exception of Elvis. I remember you showed an European IG model that is not even someone you fucked or in Colombia. The description about these women is always associated with numbers, and labels. The sex is always "great" but no detail provided on what makes it great.[/QUOTE]Not posting 9's and 10's that a monger fucked totally makes sense. First of all, it would look like bragging. Second of all, who wants to get a shit ton of PMs asking for girls' contact info? And lastly, 9's and 10's are not easy to score, but once you manage to do that, you want to keep them to yourself and not post anything about them, even just a photo, on a public forum.

Me personally, I only share pics with the posters that I know or trust, via PM's.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2771822]I also don't care what a bunch of strangers think about the girls that I see. I don't think that anyone should care. Just see the girls that you want to see and if they are attractive to you, that should be enough. You don't need the validation from a bunch of people you don't know or even people you know. I have had friends criticize some of the girls that I have seen and I don't really care about it. If I think the girl is attractive and we had a good time, regardless of what others think, I would see her again. As many have stated, beauty is very subjective, and one man's 10 is another's 5.[/QUOTE]Despite what Dom Turgid would suggest, I actually agree with this 1000%. When it's all said and done, at the end of the day go with who you like, and don't give a damn about what anybody else thinks. After all, [B]you[/B] paid for that tute and they didn't! Now when somebody else starts paying your bills, then their opinions will matter. But until then, they don't. That said, [B]if you ask me what I think about it all[/B], then I just might be in the mood to tell you. And if I do, then I'm going to tell you exactly what I think, and you have no justification for acting all "butt hurt" about it. You asked. I answered. Do what you like. End of story.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771858]Not posting 9's and 10's that a monger fucked totally makes sense. First of all, it would look like bragging. Second of all, who wants to get a shit ton of PMs asking for girls' contact info? And lastly, 9's and 10's are not easy to score, but once you manage to do that, you want to keep them to yourself and not post anything about them, even just a photo, on a public forum.

Me personally, I only share pics with the posters that I know or trust, via PM's.[/QUOTE]That is understandable. That goes back to your post why asking for pictures?

Personally I only go by seeing the happiness in mongers that I met in person regardless of the opinion I have about the quality of the girls.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2771810]I don't take pics of girls. It doesn't interest me. I don't use a 1-10 rating scale so even if I had pics I would not know who was a 9 or 10 anyway. And lastly, why would I GAF what you or anyone else thinks of a girl I fkd?[/QUOTE]You don't use 1-10 rating scale, yet you rate girls 4's and 5's left and right.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771863]That is understandable. That goes back to your post why asking for pictures?
[/QUOTE]If one publicly trashes a girl that someone else posted about or fucked, then one should be able to provide us with his own photos. When I see a picture of the girl that I personally don't like or would not fuck, I do not comment or rate her.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771868]If one publicly trashes a girl that someone else posted about or fucked, then one should be able to provide us with his own photos. When I see a picture of the girl that I personally don't like or would not fuck, I do not comment or rate her.[/QUOTE]Thumbs up all the way! But also don't get mad if you specifically ask for feedback and subsequently get some that maybe you don't like.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771868]If one publicly trashes a girl that someone else posted about or fucked, then one should be able to provide us with his own photos. When I see a picture of the girl that I personally don't like or would not fuck, I do not comment or rate her.[/QUOTE]I happen to think that is not a trashing comment. He was invited to rate the girl and he gave his opinion. On the other hand, I think this is trashing in comparison.

[QUOTE=]I think its great that some mongers like to save money fucking the fat ugly girls. Cuts down on the competition for the hot ones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2771826]Hello all, does anyone know if there is a cambio with good exchange rate near San Peter Suites? I will be there in a week and need to exchange some USD. Or is it better to use an ATM?

TIA.[/QUOTE]I prefer to use the ATMs, usually better rates from my experience.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771868]If one publicly trashes a girl that someone else posted about or fucked, then one should be able to provide us with his own photos. When I see a picture of the girl that I personally don't like or would not fuck, I do not comment or rate her.[/QUOTE]There's 100's of vids on youtube of people walking thru El Centro, knock yourself out.

[QUOTE=PremiumBetter;2771608]Hey guys, I have read quite of this forum and I'm coming to Colombia for first time in 1 week from now, will be staying 40+ days, Medellin to start. Have many trips behind me, but south america for the first time.

I've read plenty about zombie drug and other things that I need to be careful off. I have 2 questions related mostly with security.

Would you recommend when bringking up a girl in my place, should I lock the door and put the key in the safe or is that bit too much? Do you have a different approach? Ofcourse will keep an eye on my drink, don't want to get drugged.

First few days I plan to go around center of Poblado, parque Poblado and so on, would you recommend leaving the phone at the apartment and just take cash with me?[/QUOTE]Dude your first trip to south america and you have 40+ days in Medellin? You are going to F*ing love it! I'm excited for you LOL.

You are wise to be safety cautious and just being conscious of the dangers you will very likely avoid them. But hell yes you want to carry a telephone with you at all times (in your front pocket). At a mininum you'll want it to take a phone number from a chica that smiles at you. You'll probably want it to use google translate if your spanish isn't great. And you'll probably need google maps since it's your first time around town. Then there's Uber and Didi for grabbing rides. If you don't have an old phone to bring with you for that I'd recommend you walk down to Ktronix store in Poblado and buy a cheap phone for about $100 worth of pesos. Sim cards and data plans are super cheap here.

Regarding bringing chicas back to your apartment. Personally I only stay at buildings with security and chicas need to register. If you have an apartment without that I'd just be VERY careful with your drink is all. As long as you are ever aware of that drugging danger you shouldn't have a problem.

With that much time I'd tell the chicas you are here for the winter and you don't know when you are leaving. Tell them you are looking for an amiga to visit you at least once a week. Your level of service should be better than the weekend visitor gets.

Enjoy Medellin! Please share your experiences.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771864]You don't use 1-10 rating scale, yet you rate girls 4's and 5's left and right.[/QUOTE]I rated one girl as a 4 . Since I was playing along as part of the test. It's not smthg I do normally. I gave her 4 based on my own subjective view of how attractive I find her in compairison to other girls, I. E. Just below average. I didn't count the number of freckles on her back, nor the length and angle of her nose. I also didn't ask her how many exams she passed in school.

That's funny but I see it differently. I have seen a lot of Latin women that look amazing in their 20's but most of them go downhill really fast by the time they hit 35. If food was bad, they would stay amazing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2771589]

I still think the reason there are so many Colombian beauties is because the food in Colombia sucks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luminous;2771931]That's funny but I see it differently. I have seen a lot of Latin women that look amazing in their 20's but most of them go downhill really fast by the time they hit 35. If food was bad, they would stay amazing.[/QUOTE]Not the food -- the sugar.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2771826]Hello all, does anyone know if there is a cambio with good exchange rate near San Peter Suites? I will be there in a week and need to exchange some USD. Or is it better to use an ATM?

TIA.[/QUOTE]Usually it's better to use an ATM. However, depending on the fees your bank charges, the fees the ATM charges and whether you accept the ATM conversion (don't. Ever), you might get the same or better rate at a money exchange. Davivienda has an ATM close to San Peter, and they have no additional fees. There's a money exchange in Unicentro mall, which isn't too far.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771858]Not posting 9's and 10's that a monger fucked totally makes sense. First of all, it would look like bragging. Second of all, who wants to get a shit ton of PMs asking for girls' contact info? And lastly, 9's and 10's are not easy to score, but once you manage to do that, you want to keep them to yourself and not post anything about them, even just a photo, on a public forum.

Me personally, I only share pics with the posters that I know or trust, via PM's.[/QUOTE]Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you post pictures of Instagram models and claimed those were the types you were getting? Haven't you, many times, claimed other people were settling for ugly girls because they couldn't get the type of girls you're getting? If you're already doing nothing but bragging you might as well put up a picture. It's simple. You blur the face, resize (because if you have a good phone, the original pic is huge) and post.

I've been getting requests for contact info for years, I just don't bother to respond, except for the rare occasion when a girl has asked me to recommend her. I'd guess that on average those requests take up 2 seconds per month of my time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2771552]Look at it this way:

Even if some guys have only fucked "basic bitches", Even if they've only fucked fat and ugly women, they've still had more and better sex in Medellin than you.

You're looking for women (from far away) who have had at least 2 or 3 expertly done surgical procedures, who will be willing to meet and have sex with you. Most of the guys on this board will have 4 fucks or more before you can even get a response from someone. Chances are, almost everyone else will have as much sex as they want, while you'll be lucky to get laid twice.[/QUOTE]And I'm fine with that because sex isn't the only reason I'm visiting. "more" perhaps, "better" I highly doubt that. I'll be lucky if I still feel like fucking after 3 days.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2771683]I prefer quality over quantity and would gladly take 1 or 2 memorable sessions with an attractive girl that I really like / crave vs 10 mediocre sessions with centro SW uglies.

BTW you have no clue how much sex the poster had or will have to make such profound statement.[/QUOTE]I see it exactly the same. That's why sometimes repeats happen at places like hk because on that particular night I didn't see a girl hotter looking girl.

He also doesn't know how much I'm willing to spend, which for the most part makes all the difference of not only how much quantity but also quality of sex one can have.

Me and my friend live in the States, he is kind of a privileged white man he is not making a lot of money, but his stepdad was a lawyer, so he grew up not worrying about money. And he like to make international friends, he traveled to many weird places, Jordan, India, Medellin (I thought it is weird until I visited). So he knew this colombian guy before facebook were invented. He is gay, his colombian friend (let's call him A) is Bi. But I doubt it. Because A didn't fuck him. But, A smooth talk him into invested on him. My friend invested 60 k USD, to A, to build a house, in Buenos Aires Neiborhood. The first two floor (one room for each floor) are for rent, the third floor is for business use (no room, just a tiny flat floor) A's mother doing some barber shop there, very small business, couple of chairs. Then the 4th floor up to 6th floor are for A and his mother living, kitchen, balcony etc. And my friend get a tiny room without window which he lives there 2 weeks a year, but he says he want to retire early, few years later he will be living there permanently. I really fucking doubt it. But that is what he said.

Because Buenos Aires neiborhood is not one of the best area, and I doubt it is even worth his money, and it is not a big house, I think my friend made a bad deal, but I don't know, maybe the bricks are expensive in Colombia, Idk.

My friend told me I should live there next time I visit medellin, no hooker in the house but I can live there for free for a while. I am like, yeah I couldn't afford living in Laurels for long time but your friend A is very skeptical. I doubt A harm people for a living, but he might know some gangsters friend and profit from hurting people as a middle man, I want to know what you guys have to say about this. A didn't even have sex with my friend, I have no idea why he made such a stupid deal, I am not gay so I don't know, maybe his little room worth 60 K.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2771964]Me and my friend live in the States, he is kind of a privileged white man he is not making a lot of money, but his stepdad was a lawyer, so he grew up not worrying about money. And he like to make international friends, he traveled to many weird places, Jordan, India, Medellin (I thought it is weird until I visited). So he knew this colombian guy before facebook were invented. He is gay, his colombian friend (let's call him A) is Bi. But I doubt it. Because A didn't fuck him. But, A smooth talk him into invested on him. My friend invested 60 k USD, to A, to build a house, in Buenos Aires Neiborhood. The first two floor (one room for each floor) are for rent, the third floor is for business use (no room, just a tiny flat floor) A's mother doing some barber shop there, very small business, couple of chairs. Then the 4th floor up to 6th floor are for A and his mother living, kitchen, balcony etc. And my friend get a tiny room without window which he lives there 2 weeks a year, but he says he want to retire early, few years later he will be living there permanently. I really fucking doubt it. But that is what he said.

Because Buenos Aires neiborhood is not one of the best area, and I doubt it is even worth his money, and it is not a big house, I think my friend made a bad deal, but I don't know, maybe the bricks are expensive in Colombia, Idk.

My friend told me I should live there next time I visit medellin, no hooker in the house but I can live there for free for a while. I am like, yeah I couldn't afford living in Laurels for long time but your friend A is very skeptical. I doubt A harm people for a living, but he might know some gangsters friend and profit from hurting people as a middle man, I want to know what you guys have to say about this. A didn't even have sex with my friend, I have no idea why he made such a stupid deal, I am not gay so I don't know, maybe his little room worth 60 K.[/QUOTE]You can find reasonable hotel rooms for under $25 per night. Some might not allow visitors, but you have a room, with windows, and in a neighborhood that is at least more convenient.

Saturday in December in Medellin. That means party. I had my Negra over for a session during the day. Nice performance again this time including BBBJ and CIM. We're definitely on the same playground. We decided go out party later. She went home to freshen up and change clothes.

Later we ended up at a place I think is called Fonda Cana Brava. Bottle of rum, a couple of sodas and dinner for both landed on $70. The service was excellent. Salsa, reggaeton and other different dance music on the speakers. We danced a lot and had a great time. Exhausted from this we ended up in my apartment. Where we, tired and tipsy, both fell asleep.

Popeye having fun in Medellin.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2771964]Me and my friend live in the States, he is kind of a privileged white man he is not making a lot of money, but his stepdad was a lawyer, so he grew up not worrying about money. And he like to make international friends, he traveled to many weird places, Jordan, India, Medellin (I thought it is weird until I visited). So he knew this colombian guy before facebook were invented. He is gay, his colombian friend (let's call him A) is Bi. But I doubt it. Because A didn't fuck him. But, A smooth talk him into invested on him. My friend invested 60 k USD, to A, to build a house, in Buenos Aires Neiborhood. The first two floor (one room for each floor) are for rent, the third floor is for business use (no room, just a tiny flat floor) A's mother doing some barber shop there, very small business, couple of chairs. Then the 4th floor up to 6th floor are for A and his mother living, kitchen, balcony etc. And my friend get a tiny room without window which he lives there 2 weeks a year, but he says he want to retire early, few years later he will be living there permanently. I really fucking doubt it. But that is what he said.

Because Buenos Aires neiborhood is not one of the best area, and I doubt it is even worth his money, and it is not a big house, I think my friend made a bad deal, but I don't know, maybe the bricks are expensive in Colombia, Idk.

My friend told me I should live there next time I visit medellin, no hooker in the house but I can live there for free for a while. I am like, yeah I couldn't afford living in Laurels for long time but your friend A is very skeptical. I doubt A harm people for a living, but he might know some gangsters friend and profit from hurting people as a middle man, I want to know what you guys have to say about this. A didn't even have sex with my friend, I have no idea why he made such a stupid deal, I am not gay so I don't know, maybe his little room worth 60 K.[/QUOTE]This is a question best answered by yourself as you know the parties involved and have met them face to face. Nevertheless, you strike me as not being wealthy so that's one thing in your favor but the real issue is does A think you are wealthy? If he does chances are he is going to want something from you as he did from your friend. Even if he does not, I'd be wary.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2771964]...Should I stay at my friend's Colombian friend's house?...[/QUOTE]I just looked up Airbnb and I found a room with window and private bathroom for about US $70/ week. I think you can do a search and try answer the question yourself because we don't know what is your financial limit.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2771217]Ok, the ratings were from a 4 to a 7. One said she did not look Colombian. Some said she was not their type meaning that they would not pick her in a line up. BTW she is a former Miss Colombia and model. You guys have extremely high taste, LOL.[/QUOTE]What is your rating of her?

Are you aware of that almost all posts like your original post have a bias?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2771950]Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you post pictures of Instagram models and claimed those were the types you were getting? Haven't you, many times, claimed other people were settling for ugly girls because they couldn't get the type of girls you're getting? If you're already doing nothing but bragging you might as well put up a picture. It's simple. You blur the face, resize (because if you have a good phone, the original pic is huge) and post.

I've been getting requests for contact info for years, I just don't bother to respond, except for the rare occasion when a girl has asked me to recommend her. I'd guess that on average those requests take up 2 seconds per month of my time.[/QUOTE]If I blur the face, it would make posting pics pointless. Face, at least to me, is super important. One can't rate a girl properly without seeing a face.

I think it was just one time when I posted some Instagram chick for rating purposes, and I said that she was just a random chick that I never fucked.

Some other people (not all people, of course) don't get the type of girls I'm getting not because they can't, but because they are too lazy, cheap, have "pussy is pussy" mentality, lack of self-confidence, etc. This has a lot to do with the age, the older one gets, the lower his standards become.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2772121]If I blur the face, it would make posting pics pointless. Face, at least to me, is super important. One can't rate a girl properly without seeing a face.

I think it was just one time when I posted some Instagram chick for rating purposes, and I said that she was just a random chick that I never fucked.

Some other people (not all people, of course) don't get the type of girls I'm getting not because they can't, but because they are too lazy, cheap, have "pussy is pussy" mentality, lack of self-confidence, etc. This has a lot to do with the age, the older one gets, the lower his standards become.[/QUOTE]I agree with you about the face. It's all important to me. If I don't like a girl's face then we won't be having sex. I don't care how nice the rest of her is. But I don't agree with you about "the older you get the lower one's standards become". My standards are exactly as they always have been throughout my life, and they will [B]never[/B] change! If and when the day comes when I can't pull and fuck the kind of girls I like, then I will just stop fucking. So help me God!

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2771954]He also doesn't know how much I'm willing to spend, which for the most part makes all the difference of not only how much quantity but also quality of sex one can have.[/QUOTE]Anyone hurt themselves laughing at this bit of "wisdom?

Quantity, especially in Medellin, has very little to do with how much you're willing to spend. If you can afford $100 per day for sex it's possible to fuck 8 women and still have enough left over for lunch and dinner. P.S. There's no need to say "how much quantity. " "How much" and "quantity" mean the same thing.

As for quality of sex, you're even further away from reality. Quality is completely subjective (at least when you're discussing sex). How well rested are you? How well rested is the girl? What is your mood? What is her mood? What things other than sex are on your mind? What other things are on her mind? Where is she on her menstrual cycle? What does she think of you? The list of factors go on and on. How much you're willing to spend has absolutely nothing to do with any of them.

Sometimes it's something simple which completely changes the experience. You can pay the hottest girl in Medellin $50,000 USD for a night of passion and if she gets a message 15 minutes after arrival that her dog just died, quality just went to the $8 range.

There are plenty of guys who claim the more you pay, the worse the sex. That's not true, unless you're approaching with the idea that paying more equals better service.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2771951]And I'm fine with that because sex isn't the only reason I'm visiting. "more" perhaps, "better" I highly doubt that. I'll be lucky if I still feel like fucking after 3 days.[/QUOTE]Did you not understand that?

If you've never been to Medellin, anyone who has had sex in Medellin has had more sex in Medellin and better sex in Medellin than you. *After* you've been to Medellin then some comparison can be made about the number of times you've had sex in Medellin.

However, *After* you've had sex in Medellin nobody will ever know if the sex you had was better than the sex anyone else had.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2772121]If I blur the face, it would make posting pics pointless. Face, at least to me, is super important. One can't rate a girl properly without seeing a face.

I think it was just one time when I posted some Instagram chick for rating purposes, and I said that she was just a random chick that I never fucked.

Some other people (not all people, of course) don't get the type of girls I'm getting not because they can't, but because they are too lazy, cheap, have "pussy is pussy" mentality, lack of self-confidence, etc. This has a lot to do with the age, the older one gets, the lower his standards become.[/QUOTE]1. You know what the face looks like, so blurring it doesn't detract from anyone else's opinion. At worst they might wonder if the face was as good as the body. Of course if the body sucks, I can understand the reluctance.

2. Actually, you posted 2. One, I believe, was Russian. The other was Colombian and you said she wouldn't respond to your messages.

3. Nobody knows the types of girls you're getting, just as you almost never know the types of girls everyone else is getting. For example, you just recently claimed I'm getting girls from El Centro. All of this is only occurring in your mind.

4. "The older one gets the lower his standards become" might be the stupidest statement you've made, and you've had some real winners. Speaking only for myself, the older I get the higher my standards have become.

It's simple biology. When I was young, it took nothing at all to get me sexually stimulated. An ugly scar? Stretch marks? Sagging tits? Even a stinky pussy didn't matter until after I'd dropped my load. Those things just determined how quickly I made my exit. As I aged, it became harder to overlook the flaws. And at this point, there's a long list of deal breakers.

I'm assuming that is the case with most of the other old guys. I don't see any 50-75 year old guys coming to Colombia to date 40-60 year old women. I don't see fat 40 year olds swinging on the pole at La Isla while old gringos throw money at them.

If you're a financially stable older man, able to afford to visit Colombia, there are tons of women back in the US who would be thrilled to cook, clean and take care of your every need, and many of them are financially stable as well. If our standards drop as we age, why aren't we all fucking Mary Beth and eating her homemade dinners?

Let's make this simple for everyone. Fuck the women you want to fuck. Let others fuck the ones they want to fuck. If you want to post about the women you're fucking, post. If not, don't.

But stop with the ridiculous "I'm fucking better women than you" bullshit. That is unless you're ready to back up your claims.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2772135]Did you not understand that?

If you've never been to Medellin, anyone who has had sex in Medellin has had more sex in Medellin and better sex in Medellin than you. *After* you've been to Medellin then some comparison can be made about the number of times you've had sex in Medellin.

However, *After* you've had sex in Medellin nobody will ever know if the sex you had was better than the sex anyone else had.[/QUOTE]Jesus this dude hasn't even be to Medellin once? Holy shit.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2771954]He also doesn't know how much I'm willing to spend, which for the most part makes all the difference of not only how much quantity but also quality of sex one can have.[/QUOTE]Oh my goodness. So much wrong with this statement, but if this dude ever actually makes it to Colombia, he will sure find out just how way, way off base this statement is. Quantity sure. Quality no. Just ask any divorced rich guy. Start with Tom Brady and Elon Musk.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2771805]
There is practically 0 post or very few from mongers that fucked the 9's or 10's showing the pictures of women they fucked or available with the exception of Elvis.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Nounce. I am not sure if he has posted pics but Don Carlos and I have gone after similar types, and I and I think others here can vouch that he has sought out the most beautiful women too.

And yeah, I do think more beautiful women can charge more and get more. That should not be news to anyone.

With regards to performance though, that is trickier. If a woman performs well and has reviews and a line of guys wanting to see her, then what you pay for does correlate to performance. The erotic review has reviews rating escorts with regards to looks and performance and for the most part, I found the reviews on target.

The issue with Colombia is that you do not have many reviews so what you pay and what you get is really a crap shoot, and for the most part, more money does not correlate to better performance.

For what it is worth though, my favorite Medellin find was a five foot, 115 pound gal who was more cute than hot who was an absolute tiger in the sheets, and she had a great personality. She was not the type with a line out the door but she would have had one if guys knew how good in bed she was.

I do not know if it was because there were so few tourists in Bogota in comparison but when I met a really hot one in Medellin, they were way more cocky than their hot counterparts in Bogota. This was probably because they had so much smoke being blown up their ass. And maybe because of the Bogota weather and the covering up with clothes, the hotties were not as obvious.

So in Medellin, where I found the best value was in the 6 to 8 or above average looking types who are 9's and 10's in performance. Maybe that is why guys are so defensive when it comes to rating the looks of the women in Medellin. I certainly did not have the best sexual experiences with the best looking women I saw in Medellin.

Medellin is a well-designed city with an ideal climate. Prices are quite affordable compared with most worldwide destinations. The prepagos scene has good variety to keep everyone happy. Culturally sex is more conservative so you won't see the craziness apparent in locations across East Asia or Europe. El Centro area may provide a more toned-down version of Bangkok for certain individuals. If you're obviously an expat this is not the best advice.

Safety was the biggest concern by far spending a few weeks in Medellin. If you're a white guy you will stand out in a bad way. I did have some minor scuffles in my stay from very aggressive junkies after the sun set. If you are not in very good shape and sober with at least workable Spanish I would not recommend going out alone in Medellin, something I did the entire trip. Everyone from locals to larger middle-aged black American guys thought I was unwise coming alone. I always had a concern any time I was out in public anywhere in the city at any time. My astuteness and aggressive defense when junkies tried to get close I think kept me safe from a stabbing or other robbery attempt. Locals agreed it is acceptable to physically threaten street trash of which I had to do a few times, unfortunately. If you're not ready to throw hands or kicks or run at a moments notice Medellin is not the best place for a solo foreign traveler. Strolling around border towns in the evening in Mexico is a walk in the park compared to this city.

For girls the city is hard to beat in price for quality. I stuck only with casas due to the security issues. Sandalay had the hottest girls on average, followed by New Life. My favorite girl in terms of looks and pussy was Estafania at Sandalay. She was a young 20 year old girl with nice fake tits, dark skin, tight ass, and a very tight beautiful pussy. She did enjoy giving a dance to music to start the sessions. Love how the girls there walk around with barely any clothes on.

My most repeated location was New Life simply due to the large selection and lower traffic / transit area outside. Best girl there was Camilla, an early 30's spinner type who enjoys a good hard pounding. She wears glasses sometimes which gives her an exciting look. Took her a handful of times and she is surprisingly good at massage. Angel, another petite spinner, was an honorable mention.

Most sessions I took the 30 minute (media hora) option. It was 50 k COP ( 10 USD) at Sandalay and 60 at New Life ( 13 USD) which included CBJ with vaginal sex. With good girls I would take the hour option for 22 USD. You are not pressured to drink, buy girls drink, eat, or upsell on services in the room. Never once did I have any pressure or had any bullshit pulled by staff or the girls. Also nicer than Mexico in that all positions and full nude are included in the same price. Never understood why in Mexico girls want another 5 USD for a different position or clothing configuration. No such games in Colombia.

I'm not sure about ever returning, at least solo, outside of a need for a quick romp trip. The location is ideal if a US citizen is located near a major international transit hub into Latin America. For a quick trip you can stomp through several girls in short order and make a quick flight back home. Prices are unbeatable in most places across the world for the quality, to my knowledge and experience. It's not nearly as fun as any other known destination, including Tijuana, as it's difficult to enjoy with all the robberies and druggings going on.

If the security questions were adequately addressed the place could become a top destination. Staying in very nice hotels in a safe neighborhood still won't get you away from the violence as there were multiple shootings right outside the hotel during my stay. The girls are quite sweet, no big egos or bad attitudes, and many shapes and sizes to choose from. The normal people were quite friendly and docile. It is a land of stark contrasts and hope they figure it out. Very rarely do I leave a hotspot without some some longing to stay for more and withdrawals after getting back, but I have not longed for Medellin since heading to the airport. Only other place I felt somewhat similar was the Philippines but still enjoyed that place heavily to Colombia. Good news is if you can make it in Colombia you can supposedly make it anywhere in Latin America. I'm not sure how people put up with that shit and live in that type of environment. Most don't know anything different.