Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=Member #3060]Is anyone here familiar with the Hep B vaccine? [/QUOTE][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_B[/url]

Good link to check.

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I haven't been able to do much research lately, but frankly, a girl having an STD of the throat is quite unlikely. If she has, it should be obvious because her mouth will not exactly be nice- bit like someone with a sore throat.
Really, and I am not saying that BBBJ are risk free, but according to my latest textbook, they come pretty near the bottom for chances of getting something horrible. remember, saliva is actually quite nasty to most organisms, well mostly bacteria. Sure, many of us, or all of us at one time get a cold, but that is a virus, and the various viruses ( including the influenza virus) are very, very good at getting past defences. However, most bacteria are fucked off by the saliva and the commensal bacteria in the mouth. BUT, as I said before, there are still risks.

Frankly, sex with a condom is 100% risk free, if the condom is used properly, there is no prior sexual contact with genitilia, and the condom doesn't break, but in reality, that doesn't happen, so nothing is risk free. The only risk free sexual practice, apart from abstaining, is a totally monogomous relationship ( I wish they had spell check here!), but as mongers, that isn't an option. In other words, it is about risk minimisation.
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Firstly Clamydia. This is very easy to catch.
I have now had it twice but no other STDs.
First time I believe I caught from a BBBJ as normal sex was protected by condom.
2nd time I caught it in the left eye (no where else), presumably by not washing hands thoroughly after pussy play.
So clearly Clamydia can be transferred from one thing to another if no great time delay.

Now condoms do in reality break occasionally, particularly from accidentable or deliberate finger nails. Also girls using internal sponges can cause breakage through friction (i have experienced this). Finally occasionally condoms break after prolonged sex for no apparent reason. Has happened to me maybe twice over many years. Good lubrication is important.
In addition condoms can slip off more often than they break, again usually with prolonged sex.
So don't go with girls that are willing not to use condoms.
The condom is great protection nearly all of the time (but accidents do happen).

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]2nd time I caught it in the left eye (no where else)[/QUOTE]You caught a Conjunctivitis, highly contagious! See below:

[b][i]Causes of Pinkeye[/b]

Pinkeye can be caused by many of the bacteria and viruses responsible for colds and other infections, — including ear infections, sinus infections, and sore throats — and by the same types of bacteria that cause the sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) chlamydia and gonorrhea.[/i]

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Firstly Chlymadia. This is very easy to catch.
I have now had it twice but no other STDs.
First time I believe I caught from a BBBJ as normal sex was protected by condom.
2nd time I caught it in the left eye (no where else), presumably by not washing hands thoroughly after pussy play.
So clearly Clamydia can be transferred from one thing to another if no great time delay.

Now condoms do in reality break occasionally, particularly from accidentable or deliberate finger nails. Also girls using internal sponges can cause breakage through friction (i have experienced this). Finally occasionally condoms break after prolonged sex for no apparent reason. Has happened to me maybe twice over many years. Good lubrication is important.
In addition condoms can slip off more often than they break, again usually with prolonged sex.
So don't go with girls that are willing not to use condoms.
The condom is great protection nearly all of the time (but accidents do happen).[/QUOTE]

You have some good points there, and I notice that you agree with most of what I say.
As stated, nothing is 100% risk free, and you seem to have done pretty well over the years by all accounts. I wonder were you using condoms you brought with you, or local ones?

Yeah, conjunctivitis from chlymadia is actually fairly common. The eyes are fairly susceptable to this unfortunately. Whilst I also accept that chlymadia is the most common STD, it isn't very easy to catch. Well, yeah, if she's rampant with it there is a very strong possibility, but as I said, a good long [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] afterwards will help an awful lot. Probably the important thing is that even if you were to catch it, like you have, you cover up for sex, so not spreading it onto the next girl. Now isn't that easy, and socially responsible? You, by your actions of practising safe sex have probably stopped innumerable other girls/mongers getting a dose of this, rather than like some we know off who would be spreading it around like a cold!

Clearly this hobby has risks, and like you, many of us try to minimise those risks. It's like playing competitive sport I suppose, sooner or later you'll get an injury, only the ones we can get are slightly more embarassing! However, using the sports analogy, if more people practised safe sex, ie played by the rules, the transmission rate would decrease and so would the risk, however there are certain selfish individuals out there who want to raise the odds for all of us by playing by their own rules.
I suppose all we can do is our best for ourselves. If we play by the rules, we shouldn't get too badly hurt, maybe the odd injury, but the more this turns into a free for all, the more the chances of serious injury.
Thanks for your contribution.
Pete

[QUOTE=Petemcc]Whilst I also accept that chlymadia is the most common STD, it isn't very easy to catch. Well, yeah, if she's rampant with it there is a very strong possibility, but as I said, a good long [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] afterwards will help an awful lot.[/QUOTE]

Pete, assuming that we're discussing unprotected blowjobs, what's the timescale for this? How long does it take for the bug to get down one's urethera, on average, and assuming 'normal' suck and blow pressure? After how many minutes/seconds should I curtail the BBBJ? How much do variable mouth strengths and suck-to-blow techniques impact on this? How big does the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] need to be to make me safe, and is there a cut-off point after we have established all the pre-infection variables?

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Pete[/QUOTE]
Well actually I was talking about Chlamydia Trachomatis.
It seems neither of us could spell it right.
I guess I am saying that if Chlamydia is the most common STD then it must be easier to catch than other STDs. Sounds logical?
So my "easy" is only relative to things like HIV, Hepatitus, Syphillis, etc.

A friend of mine caught Chlamydia by becoming exposed when taking the condom off after sex completion, he believes. He had no other unprotected activity. That, in my book, is relatively easy transmission.
On the other hand, Chlamydia is not so easy to catch that we actually catch it every single year. But frequent mongers will catch it sooner or later if they don't take reasonable care with hygene in relation to sexual activities.
Condoms substantially REDUCE the risk of catching Chlamydia.

Apparently an estimated 2.8 million people catch Chlamydia each year in the U.S.

I therefore understand the Zithromax self-dose mongers very easily, even though this activity is frowned upon, if used infrequently and not instead of condoms. Mongers need to be cured immediately to minimise passing on to others, especially girlfriends, wives etc. especially since could have Chlamydia for some time before being aware. Some people have no apparent symptoms it seems. A regular (at least annual) screen for STDs is advisable for Mongers.

Tick Tock, Tick Tock as Terry says.

[QUOTE=Gladiator]If you have had a BBBJ you have already exposed your dick to whatever bacteria/virus were in her mouth/saliva, so cleaning your dick before putting the condom will have a minimum effect.

That would be like having a copious meal, with several full fat dishes, and after that taking a white coffee with semi-skimmed milk because you want to look after your weight.[/QUOTE]

Well, I was thinking this: If you slip the rubber on with all the saliva and stuff on your dick, then all the stuff gets trapped in the rubber, which is a moist and wrm environment. The chances of getting infected then, I would think is higher than just having a bbbj? I am no medicl expert, but just a thought.

Any other opnion on this?

Diver

Driver, Mick, Terry. Sorry about my spelling. It's a fact of my life that I have become brain dead and numb over the years, and I find that I can't even spell everyday words. Mostly this is because I am severely under the influence of alcohol when I type here, so that's my excuse.

You all make good points and raise many good questions.
As I have said before, I am not an expert, but I have a background in biological sciences, have kept an interest in it, and am studying to be a nurse. I also understand medical research papers, which is a help.

Unfortunately, STDs/STIs, whatever, aren't really that well 'studied'. By that I mean lt's not like there are volunteers queuing up to get a dose for medical science. Also, because of the whole sordidness of the subject, many people are unwilling to tell the whole truth to health professionals. Unlike alcoholism, diabetes, heart disease, etc, people are willing to discuss their lifestyles etc and thus much more is known about shall we say other diseases. Most of the stuff from STDs comes from anecdotal evidence, stats, and some studies which perhaps are not as objective as they should be.'

Now, getting back to it. We have to remember that most of these infections, be they bacterial, viral, fungal, or protozoal, are not like big pools of infection, like airborn Anthrax spores, or Ebola or something. It's not like on TV where you can walk into a room with someone who has infectious chlamydia and suddenly get it- yeah, I know this is taking it a bit far, but we have to remember that these infections aren't really that 'virulent', for want of a better word.

Most probably, if you have bareback sex with someone who has an STD, you have a pretty good chance of getting it yourself, and in fact the woman is much more at risk than the man. The very nature of the mucus membranes of the vagina and anus, and the 'comparative' lack of dilution of their secretions makes them more likely harbengours of infection ( again, the spelling!).

Now to respond more directly:
Terry: Assuming you aren't 'taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]', I don't know. Like I said, there are few volunteers who will put themselves forward to get sucked off by a girl/man/whatever with Chlamydia to determine how long the average infection time is, and what technique works best etc. I am sure that one day I could set up a mongers' institute for STD investigation where volunteers could have their way with infectious girls and the results studied. Maybe a thought?
As for suck and blow pressure, well apart from the difficulty in measuring that, and recording it- I mean do we use Pa or mm Hg?, the problem is if the giver is blowing air, or saliva, or both?
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] times, well again that is dependant on your bladder. If you're well pissed and haven't had a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] for an hour, the chances are that apart from not enjoying the BBBJ and cutting it short, that you will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] so much that the girl will go to sleep. But being serious, it's like anything, a certain number of bacteria are required to produce a full infection, diluting them down, ASAP has to reduce their numbers, but studies, again are limited. My advice is to do what you can. Let's face it, a BBBJ is a lot less hazerdous than BB intercourse, so it's going to happen, so minimise the risks. In microbiology there's no such thing as 100% kill- it uses a reverse exponential curve where the graph never reaches zero, but you can certainally reduce the risk a lot. For you personally, I'd advise you dip your wick in bleach and using your PC muscles, attempt to suck up some bleach, or get the girl to get a drinking straw, get some bleach in her mouth and blow it down your jap's eye. It may not give you a 100% kill rate, but sure as fuck, you'll not be using your dick for a while!

Mick. There are certain reasons why Chlamydia is the most common STD, and mostly that's because it is usually asymptomatic. Although the other major ones like Syph and Gon can be asympomatic, especialy in males, generally they end up showing obvious symptoms and people seek treatment. BTW, anecdotal evidence, and the word of the STD doc I saw ( I didn't have one, I just fucked someone who did) is that Hep C cannot be contracted during sex- and cannot is used in the anything is possible category. Similarly, Hep B is a faecal-oral route transmission primarily,but blood bourn, so yeah, certain practices could lead to that.
Anyway, Chlamydia, though it can have severe consequences is rather hard to self diagnose, especially in women, hence it seems more prevelant.
Again, with your friend, what people really do and what they say are different. I told my missus 99% of what I did in Pattaya, but left out the bits that would cause her apperplexy- such is human nature.

Self medication however is so, so dangerous. Why are there so many antibiotics on the market, and new synthetic ones? Why do we have MRSA?
Because people have fucked-up badly. As I said before, in microbiology there is never a 100% kill rate, one of the reasons being a rogue -let's say bacterium here- that doesn't get killed by the medication because it finds ways around the toxic effects. Correct doses are designed to make sure that there is an overwhelming amount of medication to almost ensure that whatever counter measure it has will be overcome by the shear amount of firepower delivered. Self medication, as you can see has its problems as there is no medical input. Why most people, let's say with mental illnesses fail in their medication regieme is because they think they no longer need it. Same as this. The running and stinging has stopped, so it's right! The bottle says this so I did this. Formulations and regiemes change all the time, and although Zithromax is a wonderful AB, soon, it will not be because of abuse, and bacterial resistance. Remember this, sooner or later the little bastards will find a resistance- remember, no 100% kill, and most of them have been around for a lot longer than us.
Condoms, in theory, have 100% resistance. They test these by trying to pass an electric current through them. I assure you, if an electron can't get through, nothing larger will, unless it has some microbial c4!

Driver. You have a good point, and a good deal of common sense. If her infected saliva is caught in the environment of a closed condom, some of it will make its way down your japs eye, so yeah, have a wash. Before someone is cathaterised, they are swabbed with alcohol!

Finally guys, look at Aus and regulated Singapore. Condoms are required for everything. Australia has a fantastic record with its licensed sex workers for diseases. They shower you, check your knob, make you use mouthwash, and generally make sure that they take all precautions they can. Yeah, it can be clinical, but so is playing any game. The fun starts when you get into it. If she knows she's safe, and you know you're safe, then you can have fun. If one of you has any reservations, then it's less fun.
BUT, ours is a risky sport, so take the precautions you deem necessary and take care of yourself and others!

Pete

[QUOTE=Petemcc]Mick. There are certain reasons why Chlamydia is the most common STD, and mostly that's because it is usually asymptomatic.
Pete[/QUOTE]
"usually asymptomatic" is stretching it a bit. Perhaps "sometimes" would be fairer , however its true that symptoms may not appear or be noticed for weeks.

Doctors assumed me that 2 pills was enough to cure Chlamydia because it would stay in my system for up to 2 weeks while the Chlamydia was likely to be wiped out iwithin the 2 week period. Symptoms had dissappeared after one week. I wish I had self medicated on the basis of it just might help (but not knowing what was wrong with my eye), since the doctors did not give the pills it to me for 4 weeks afetr the symptoms started in my eye. Even then it was still waiting a test to confirm Chlamydia, but medication was allowed based on the assumption that it was likely.

Presumably someone who has self medicated a few days before mongering will not see the symptoms because the bacteria will be killed off before having a chance to multiply.
They will then be less likely to give it to someone else during the normal non-symtomatic stage.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]"usually asymptomatic" is stretching it a bit. Perhaps "sometimes" would be fairer , however its true that symptoms may not appear or be noticed for weeks.

Doctors assumed me that 2 pills was enough to cure Chlamydia because it would stay in my system for up to 2 weeks while the Chlamydia was likely to be wiped out iwithin the 2 week period. Symptoms had dissappeared after one week. I wish I had self medicated on the basis of it just might help (but not knowing what was wrong with my eye), since the doctors did not give the pills it to me for 4 weeks afetr the symptoms started in my eye. Even then it was still waiting a test to confirm Chlamydia, but medication was allowed based on the assumption that it was likely.

Presumably someone who has self medicated a few days before mongering will not see the symptoms because the bacteria will be killed off before having a chance to multiply.
They will then be less likely to give it to someone else during the normal non-symtomatic stage.[/QUOTE]

From what I have read, it actually is more commonly asymptomatic in men than not, but hey, why argue about a drippy dick?

The reasoning behind your self medicating regime prior to mongering would appear on the face of it to make sense, however it isn't quite that simple, unfortunately. As I said theer is never a definite 100% kill rate in microbiology, but there is usually a bloody good chance of it. I don't honestly know the pharmacokinetics of the drug, so can't comment on its use with newly established, or sub-clinical infections, so I can't say either way if what you are proposing would work. I just know that life isn't that simple.
More importantly, there's a growing trend now for QUM, Quality Use of Medicines, in a bid, amongst other things, to reduce the number of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Bacteria's ability to become resistant was somewhat accelerated by man when antibiotics became available and prescribed for conditions where they were not necessary, and where the wrong one was prescribed/used. Each time we use an antibiotic, it gives bacteria the chance to become resistant, and I don't mean the baddies that give you a drippy dick, I mean the billions of commensal bacteria in our bodies. Bacteria unfortunately have sex, as it were, and exchange DNA/RNA and thus normal bacteria that line your urethra may become Zithromax resistant from constant exposure, and pass the resistance onto teh introduced strain of drippy dick.
At the moment, Zithromax is the drug of choice, in the west at least, for STDs as a starter, because it's a relatively new drug, and its site of action is pretty specific. However I can see the time when it is no longer effective, and don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember being told once that SE Asia is the main problem for AB resistant STDs.

Anyway Mick, everyone will do what they want, no matter what I say, no matter what anyone says, but I for one do not want to come back froma mongering trip, which my good lady wife has let me go on, only to tell her that I have or may have an STD, so I will stick to condoms!
BTW, Ansell in Aus have new condoms out that are so thin that you can take a fingerprint of a finger inserted into one. Now that's thin. I'll try to test drive them sometime and let everyone know what they're like.
All the best

Pete

need some help?

first i know its wrong to self medicate and i won’t do it if i don’t have to (hopefully never) but.

i will travel to china in the end of mars and sty there fore 2-3 month, but first a stop, 1 week in los for some fun :)

and my worst fear is ending up in inner china [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] razor blade, drippy dick or something like that.

have any one been to a hospital in inner china. well then you know what i am talking about.

if the worst scenario will happen, i have to take a translator with me and that can create some problem later.

in the last 3-4 trips to asia i had 3 condom splits 2 times super tight chinese pussis have managed to squeeze of the condom, i never refuse a bbbj, but so fare i have been lucky, never had a std.

but i’m no superman and i know that bad things can happen, even to me and it doesn’t matter how safe you try to play this game.

i would like to know what type of antibiotic that works for different std.

if someone with knowledge would pm me some suggestion for what to bye and where in bkk i can find it, i will be grateful.

Why do you not go to the safer side and postpone your visit to LOL and go there after your business in inner China?

F.V.

If DATY, stick a strepsil in your mouth!

10/10 points for this post..

I agree with you that from what I've also read/studied, clamydia does seem to be much more asymptomatic (in males) that other STDs. I marval at anyone on here who can detect he has clamydia himself lol.

Can't agree more on the topic of self-medicating. This is just plain stupid, even apart from the obvious dangers to one's health (not being trained in health care to start popping pills), there's many other factors- antibiotics are not vitamin pills, they literally bomb your entire system ridding it completely of both helpful and non-helpful bacterias. Regular users have also reported lowered immune systems, loose bowels and all sorts of side-effects. Third, exactly as you say, the antibiotics are then flushed into the environment (p1ssed down toilets, into sinks wherever), and within a few years become less and less potent. This has happened so many times, with wide spectrum antibiotics, and creams such as Canasten etc., which are all ineffective now.


[QUOTE=Petemcc]From what I have read, it actually is more commonly asymptomatic in men than not, but hey, why argue about a drippy dick?

The reasoning behind your self medicating regime prior to mongering would appear on the face of it to make sense, however it isn't quite that simple, unfortunately. As I said theer is never a definite 100% kill rate in microbiology, but there is usually a bloody good chance of it. I don't honestly know the pharmacokinetics of the drug, so can't comment on its use with newly established, or sub-clinical infections, so I can't say either way if what you are proposing would work. I just know that life isn't that simple.
More importantly, there's a growing trend now for QUM, Quality Use of Medicines, in a bid, amongst other things, to reduce the number of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Bacteria's ability to become resistant was somewhat accelerated by man when antibiotics became available and prescribed for conditions where they were not necessary, and where the wrong one was prescribed/used. Each time we use an antibiotic, it gives bacteria the chance to become resistant, and I don't mean the baddies that give you a drippy dick, I mean the billions of commensal bacteria in our bodies. Bacteria unfortunately have sex, as it were, and exchange DNA/RNA and thus normal bacteria that line your urethra may become Zithromax resistant from constant exposure, and pass the resistance onto teh introduced strain of drippy dick.
At the moment, Zithromax is the drug of choice, in the west at least, for STDs as a starter, because it's a relatively new drug, and its site of action is pretty specific. However I can see the time when it is no longer effective, and don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember being told once that SE Asia is the main problem for AB resistant STDs.

Anyway Mick, everyone will do what they want, no matter what I say, no matter what anyone says, but I for one do not want to come back froma mongering trip, which my good lady wife has let me go on, only to tell her that I have or may have an STD, so I will stick to condoms!
BTW, Ansell in Aus have new condoms out that are so thin that you can take a fingerprint of a finger inserted into one. Now that's thin. I'll try to test drive them sometime and let everyone know what they're like.
All the best

Pete[/QUOTE]

What do you fellows suggest, that we simply not treat the ailment? We might as well use the antibiotics while they are effective.

As for the supposition that a 'layman' cannot adequately inform himself of the various characteristics of something as simple as an antibiotic, and should feel compelled to seek the advice of the shamen, well, pshaw.