Jakarta

Hi MPH,
I was always under the impression that AFF was a big money scam. Has your success enabled you to meet up with women who just want to have a good time or only for the sake of money.Could you also mention the countries as that may have some relevance to the response. I do know in the ultimate analysis we pay anyway.
Reason is that if money is involved its better to go where you know you likely getting the biggest bang for your buck.



[QUOTE=Morepoonhound]Not putting down Friendster. Just commenting that I haven't personally been successful hunting there. I have the impression that Friendster has by far more profiles than any of the other sites, so it makes sense that there would be plenty of pussy available there. Faceparty (where I also haven't had much success), has evidently been a great place to hunt for Pak Mike, and maybe many others, so go with what works for you.

Really I think it comes down to being spoiled for choice. I have had so much luck with AdultFriendFinder, that I haven't been especially persistent with spending much time on other sites. I actually started on all 3 of faceparty, friendster and AFF around the same time, and when AFF worked out so well, I shopped much less frequently on the others.

I should be clear that I pay for my AFF membership, while I'm just an interested "regular member" on the other sites. But even during the first month on AFF before I signed up for a paid subscription, I was able to pull a couple of women with my no-photo profile. For any of you fellows that are younger (say, 20's to mid-30's), at least ok-looking, and willing to post a face picture of yourself, I suspect you will attract lots of female interest without having to pay for a membership.

But again, nothing wrong with friendster, or faceparty or any of the other hunting sites. I just haven't figured out so well how to make them work for me. And with an excellent, target-rich alternative available, I have been a little bit lazy about raising my game elsewhere. Good on any of you that are pulling from the other sites, and thanks for encouraging the rest of us to try, with your success stories.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Morepoonhound]Not putting down Friendster. Just commenting that I haven't personally been successful hunting there. I have the impression that Friendster has by far more profiles than any of the other sites, so it makes sense that there would be plenty of pussy available there. Faceparty (where I also haven't had much success), has evidently been a great place to hunt for Pak Mike, and maybe many others, so go with what works for you.

Really I think it comes down to being spoiled for choice. I have had so much luck with AdultFriendFinder, that I haven't been especially persistent with spending much time on other sites. I actually started on all 3 of faceparty, friendster and AFF around the same time, and when AFF worked out so well, I shopped much less frequently on the others.

I should be clear that I pay for my AFF membership, while I'm just an interested "regular member" on the other sites. But even during the first month on AFF before I signed up for a paid subscription, I was able to pull a couple of women with my no-photo profile. For any of you fellows that are younger (say, 20's to mid-30's), at least ok-looking, and willing to post a face picture of yourself, I suspect you will attract lots of female interest without having to pay for a membership.

But again, nothing wrong with friendster, or faceparty or any of the other hunting sites. I just haven't figured out so well how to make them work for me. And with an excellent, target-rich alternative available, I have been a little bit lazy about raising my game elsewhere. Good on any of you that are pulling from the other sites, and thanks for encouraging the rest of us to try, with your success stories.[/QUOTE]OK, makes sense ! Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=Mature Man]Hi MPH,

I was always under the impression that AFF was a big money scam. Has your success enabled you to meet up with women who just want to have a good time or only for the sake of money.Could you also mention the countries as that may have some relevance to the response. I do know in the ultimate analysis we pay anyway.
Reason is that if money is involved its better to go where you know you likely getting the biggest bang for your buck.[/QUOTE]I don’t think AFF is a scam. Hard-sell marketing for sure, and lots of annoying pop-up’s to up-sell and cross-sell even after you buy a paid membership. But the basic product of people actively seeking sex is for real.

I have said a couple of times that we are all damn lucky to be playing in Indonesia, whether at the 5-star-hotel hooker bars or the Kota knock-shops or at Blok-M. I think that good luck carries over into AdultFriendFinder, especially if you are a bule.

Go back through the past several screens worth of messages and read what Mangga and Mandiri and Pak Mike (maybe some others also) have to say. I agree with what they have said about the motivations and behavior of the wanita jelita (lovely ladies). But here is my similar story.

I have met dozens of women from Jakarta that I found on AFF in the 4 months since I bought a membership, which costs me around US$12 per month. There are more expensive options for membership, but I went with the budget-ticket. Dozens means more than 30 ladies for those of you keen on miscellaneous details (grin).

Only one woman asked me for money. That was for her taxi fare, which I usually offer anyway, unless I have reason to believe that my friend is very well-heeled and may be offended by the offer. Depending on where the lady lives in relation to my central-Jakarta hotel, I give anywhere from 50k to 150k for taxi on my own initiative. Menteng gets 50k, and Bogor or Bekasi gets 150k, if you wonder how I decide, but I’m not perfect on my knowledge of greater Jakarta geography. Only the one woman (a classy 40-something Sundanese sales promoter) asked for it, and she asked by sms before she ever got into the taxi to come see me.

And just like some others have reported, a few women were shocked (borderline offended) that I offered them even taxi money. One that I gave 100k to gave me back 80k smiling sweetly and telling me that her parking at the hotel was only 20k. She had driven herself there, same as a paediatrician (yes, a medical doctor), a university lecturer, and a couple of wealthy tai-tais (married wives). They all have their own cars, and good jobs. This is one reason they like bules. Less chance that we will be patients or ex-students, or spouses of neighbors, etc.

Two weeks ago I had a three-some (yes, there are also women who hunt in pairs on AFF under the category “couples: 2 women”) Life is really too good in Indonesia (full smile). One was an older engineer (late 30’s) and her friend was a secretary (20-something). After a really fantastic session, I slipped 50k each into their pockets (for taxi-mu). While the younger one was in the toilet putting on lipstick, the older one handed me back my 50k, telling me that it was nice of me, but that I should give only to the younger one because her salary isn’t so high. Implicit message was “I have my pride”. Incidentally, I did her again, by herself, over her lunch hour the very next day. Wonderful!

For the sceptics reading this, there are definitely some women who are hooking for dollars or SugarDaddies on the AFF site, and their profiles say so explicitly. The code words are “looking for generous men”, or “take me shopping”, or “want to be treated as a courtesan”. My guesstimate is that maybe 1 out of 15 or 1 out of 20 profiles are like this, at least explicitly. Single digit percentage only, and I simply avoid those women. Many more may well be open to the cash-for-gash trade-off, but we all know how sweet the women can be, even though they may not have much money. When I want to pay (which is still often – grin), then I prefer to call one of my done-her-before “sure thing” professional friends, or go look for fresh pussy myself at BATS or D’s Place.

Finally, for those of you convinced that AFF is a scam in terms of the site itself ripping you off, I think that is nonsense. Sure they charge a fee, and if you are worried about not being able to cancel your credit card, just send them a money-order like I do. I can’t risk any unexplained charges on my cards because my wife vets the bills carefully. Still not persuaded, then do an internet search on AdultFriendfinder, or on the founder, Andrew Conru. Even the Wall Street Journal has been writing about how “Adult” dating sites flourish all over the world as people choose sex over love. Good for all of us friends of Jackson (smile again). Remember we are here to share experiences about meeting women for sex. Not only meeting women that we pay for sex. Hubba-hubba!

I can’t comment on AFF in the United States because I play only in Asia, and mostly in Indonesia. But I can tell you for sure that AFF Malaysia and Thailand are both excellent sources for freebies, and I plan to try Vietnam within the next month. Stay tuned and stay grateful that Indonesian women are as hot as they are. Treat them all well, because they do share stories about us.

Hope that helps, fellow seekers.

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I don't for one second doubt the accounts provided by other members but I have to say I think you're wasting alot of time gently wooing these girls, they're already up for it lads.

You're quite right about what you say about AFF girls Dorman. Because AFF is an explicitly sex-seekers site, it's much easier to get straight down to business than with some site like Friendster. But wooing is all relative. When I said wooing, I only meant something like a couple of emails/text messages/phone calls. But there is a definite difference between giving the "come here and fuck me" wave to a fucklet in a miniskirt at TC or the Berlian and talking with an office-girl or horny housewife on AFF.

My point is also that a bit of wooing and sweet talk will always produce a much better and more fun experience than "hey wanna fuck?". Again, it's all relative and it all depends on what you're after. Personally I look for the AFF girls who are "keepers" - ie those who you can fuck on a continuing basis and form some kind of friendship. But that's just me.

In my experience, the ones who I've fucked after one message have been the ones who've I've mentally struck off my list when they've worked out the door after a workout in my bed.

Just to add something new to this very interesting discussion: One species of AFF girl is the sex-nutter. There are a few girlies on the site who will fuck anything that moves and take the approach that they'll get fucked more often if they have a number of profiles under different names.

I've run accross two like this in my career on the site. One was as fat and ugly as you could possibly imagine, but would do just about anything! This was two years ago - I sent her a message with my hp attached, she immediately sent me a text saying "so when do we fuck?". Having nothing else better to do at the time (grin) I replied "well now, of course", not really expecting anything to happen straight away. She immediately replied "well, what's your address?". When I opened the door to her and saw what was on offer I almost shut it again, but hey, I'm too polite and I thought "what the heck?".

She was a 3-holer who would take whatever I wanted to put in any oriface. And she thought I was great and loved my toys. After that time she regularly called me wanting the same treatment. But given her standard of looks I have gave in once and let her back into my apartment. She has been a regular around AFF and the chatroom connected to it ever since. I see a new profile for her every couple of months. She has been removed by the webmaster a couple of times.

Sex-nutter number two was as skinny as No 1 was fat. Also a very ugly face. She was just the same in terms of the "I'll take anything anywhere anytime" attitude. I related her story several months ago on ISG. After I had fucked her in every possible way for two hours she lay in the nude in front of my TV watching my porno DVDs and masturbating with my vibrator! I sat and drank a few beers and occasionally slippled a finger up her arse while she buzzed away. Well, same story, I've recognised her on about six different profiles since then.

What you want to do with this category of AFF fucklet is a matter of taste: but in the spirit of sociological inquiry I thought I should mention it.....

If you are going for the fat, ugly ones, I don't think there's much need to use AFF. Just go to any bar and take one home. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to accomodate you. There's an old comedy bit by Andrew Dice Clay where he says "with diseases and women's attitudes today, sex is too much trouble". So his plan is to find the fattest, ugliest mutt in the bar and take her home. Some chick nobody else has even thought of fuckin'. He says that type of girl really appreciates the sex and will do anything to please you. And you have little to no chance of catching any disease.

I don't subscribe to that theory, but it's a theory.

I too used to prefer noncompetitive sports. There's a lot of wisdom in those words, if you can stomach the fat.
[QUOTE=Smoothy] So his plan is to find the fattest, ugliest mutt in the bar and take her home. Some chick nobody else has even thought of fuckin'. He says that type of girl really appreciates the sex and will do anything to please you. And you have little to no chance of catching any disease.
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Interesting subject. When you are holed up in some city outside of Asia, pay sites like AFF would be a godsend, but the subscription paper trail is always a deal breaker (although someone mentioned they take money orders, which I didn't know).

In the states, there is a totally free site called craigslist.org, which is quite effective. They have been adding additional areas to cover a lot of non-US cities. It is slow going, but there is even a JKT area. Trouble is that there is no traffic there because nobody knows about it yet.

my first trip to jakarta last week. stayed first night at century atlet, got in around 2pm. called the spa to see if they could send someone up for a massage, 90 minutes was 150k. 10 minutes later she shows up, not a hottie, but pleasant looking, wearing the hotel uniform. she did not say a word, i stripped and she got down to the best damned massage, truly a massage therapist. after massaging every part of me except the package, she started massaging the eggs and then (finally speaking) pointed to my cock and said "massage"? sure sweetie as there were 10 minutes left. good hj followed. after she went to the bathroom to wash, came out and i handed her the 15k + 10k as tip as the hj was not expected. nice way to start my vacation in jakarta! what was interesting was how little communication there was, she said maybe 3 words. all women should talk this much!

i went to the block m bars same evening. had great trouble explaining to the (several) taxi drivers where i wanted to go. block m they understood, they want to take me to the mall. i explain girlie bars, top gun, d's place. i make drinking sign with my hand, draw hourglass figure, say cewek. they say cj's (by the way i was the only person at cj's around 10:30pm)? bats? at one point one of the taxi drivers at the mall called over several other drivers, and we went around for several minutes on this. finally one taxi driver spoke english with me and we figured it out.

finally get to the bars, hit several, mostly dead. finally at one a pushy mamasan brought over several different gals, one i finally liked and we got into the particulars. she was very eager, but because of the language problems i wanted to confirm everything with the mamasan. the mamasan spoke good english and wanted a tip for her services so i gave her one. we confirmed full-service, all-night, the girl would stay until 8am and i would taxi-tip her 50k, 500k for the girl. off to my hotel with the girl, 24, asian-skinny, good enthusiastic service. when we finished she went to the bathroom and slipped into her street clothes, saying she needed to get to bats bar. wtf? i reminded her all-night, and she just looked sad and said she needed to get to bats and please pay her. i was unsure how to proceed, a bit peeved at her leaving early, so i handed her two 100k notes and she seemed happy with that and left. i realize that is probably too little to give for the service, ya? but i also expected service in the morning and to wake up with a cutie. cest la vie.

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Yes, 200k was too little for that. 300k would have been fair and is the going rate for a Blok M short time these days. However, if she had really agreed to all night, then I think you did the right thing. The problem is that it's hard to say what the mamasan communicated to her. Those women aren't really mamasans there, they are just old scrags hanging around trying to make some extra bucks by pushing some girls on you. They don't really have an affiliation with those girls. I seriously doubt she was happy with the 200k as you mentioned. But she must have had a regular customer calling her to meet him at Bats if she was saying she had to go there. I wonder what she'd have said if you volunteered to accompany her to Bats. LOL!

Of the 200k you gave her, it would cost her 30k for taxi and 70k entry fee to Bats. So she's down to 100k. If she doesn't meet a guy there, the taxi home is another 30k so she basically comes out with almost nothing. That last 70k is just enough to buy some noodles for lunch and dinner then get a taxi back to the Blok again. 200k doesn't go far in Jakarta these days. 5 years ago it did, but not anymore.

500k is high end for the Blok. 400k for all night is fair.

To get to the Blok next time, tell the taxi driver:

"Jalan Felatehan, Blok M" (it's really Pelatehan, but they pronounce it with an F sound for the most part.)

Hi Rgbburn,

Interesting adventure about Blok M, last time I was in JKT I used the busway to get to Blok M first so that I would have an idea where it was. This way I could then direct the taxi when they seem to be going around in circles.

As for your LT/ST issues had similar experience in Bangkok. Some advice next time make sure that they know that it's less money if they leave early. More than likely they will then stay until the required time.

If they think that you are a sucker they will skip out on you early and ask for the full fee. Guess they are the same in JKT as in BKK.

Did you manage to revisit CJ's? From what I read it's a hopping place but I guess timing is everything.

you had better luck than me. the one and only time i got a massage at the atlet the woman was ugly and offered fs for us$100. no thanks. and that was around 2002 when a dollar was still worth something. .

[quote=rgbburn]stayed first night at century atlet, got in around 2pm. called the spa to see if they could send someone up for a massage, 90 minutes was 150k. 10 minutes later she shows up, not a hottie, but pleasant looking, wearing the hotel uniform. she did not say a word, i stripped and she got down to the best damned massage, truly a massage therapist. after massaging every part of me except the package, she started massaging the eggs and then (finally speaking) pointed to my cock and said "massage"? sure sweetie as there were 10 minutes left. good hj followed. after she went to the bathroom to wash, came out and i handed her the 15k + 10k as tip as the hj was not expected. nice way to start my vacation in jakarta! what was interesting was how little communication there was, she said maybe 3 words. all women should talk this much![/blue][/size][/quote]

[quote=travel fox]kartika, berlian etc.

took a walk down these lanes and peeked in several of these establishments but i was somewhat appalled at some of the ladies. i mean, who is taking these ladies? there were a few fresh cuties in a few of the establishments but i was hard pressed to make a decision in any of these places. i wanted to try hotel travel and mtr but never found these places because of nightfall. i mean you can probably have a good time here but i did not see the value over tc. maybe i will try them next time out. these establishments are right off of the busway line so you can get the busway almost right there. i think someone mentioned sawah besar as the busway stop. i just look-see’d all of them but some of the girls did not seem real enthused about their jobs or my presence especially in the smaller places. i think i was at the places off of hyam wuruk. i took mangga besar over (i walked believe it or not from mangga dua mall) to hyam wuruk. i think some guys tried to call me into the lane with the other houses while on mangga besar but i kept going for some reason. you will see a bakery maybe “holland” i don’t remember it saying swiss. it is a tall towering bakery with a sign on it from “some country in europe” on the corner or near the corner of mangga besar and hyam wuruk, or was it mangga dua? you know you are in the region when you see that bakery, then start peeking in alleys…
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just to add my own experience of looking for these places that i'd read so much about.

i picked up a bluebird outside my hotel (ibis mangga dua) and showed the driver the address i had printed out ready for just this situation. lots of discussion with his colleagues suggested that he didn't know where i wanted to go. at this point i mentioned bakery suisse and the penny seemed to drop with one of his mates who chattered to my driver and we were on our way. i don't remember how long the journey was but i eventually saw a sign that suggested that we were on the jalan hayam wuruk and i started to keep an eye out.

suddenly a shop sign for bakery suisse passed through my view and i called the driver to stop. i ascertained that we were indeed in hayam wuruk and told him we had passed the bakery. it turned out that he had been directed by his mate to the holland bakery. any way i paid and started the search.

we had passed 2 or 3 alleys since i had seen the bakery suisse and as i couldn't remember whether the directions i had read on this board talked of an alley to the left or right of the bakery i looked in all of them.

some of these alleys are not the best advertisement for jakarta or indonesia and i felt like a fish out of water but kept looking.

i eventually came back to the bakery suisse but this is a much smaller establishment than i had expected and it is set back under the overhanging first floor of the building and quite difficult to see with all the street vendors out front.

as you look at the bakery the alley with kartika in is directly on your left and the kartika sign can be seen from the main road at the end and on the right of the fairly short alley.

hope this helps some other kartika newbie. report of visit to follow.

sk

(My trip was 6 July to 16 July but I couldn’t report immediately on my return as I took ill on my flight from Singapore to London with what turned out to be food poisoning and ended up in hospital in the UK)

Landed at CGK Saturday morning. I had planned to try the advice from an earlier post about approaching single girls at the airport but my over generous colleagues provided a car and driver which were waiting for me. This is even though I am here on holiday and won’t be working for more than 1 day.

One negative to report. This my first time arriving on a Saturday and if the queues for Visa and immigration are likely to be as long in the next time I will be avoiding similar itineraries in the future.

I kept my spirits up by listening to a Norwegian guy who had a sense of humour failure when he discovered that he needed to buy a visa and didn’t have any cash with him. Bizarrely he was married to a Jakarta girl. His excuse was that it was some years since he had been there.

Lesson to all potential visitors though… have your USD ready when you arrive. $10 for max 7 days stay, $25 for max 30 days (all you old hands out there can sit back and suck your eggs until I’ve finished this bit).

Ever since a travelling companion of mine got stung for a $50 backhander by the immigrassi I try and make sure I’ve only got enough USD to get the visa and carry limited amounts of other currency.

Back to the Norwegian, he paid by credit card eventually but it was fun watching the panic develop.

Anyway, got dropped at my hotel Ibis Mangga Dua and said I wouldn’t need the car for the rest of the day.

The Ibis is not in the same league as my usual hotel, Shangri La but as I’m paying it’ll suffice. I booked a bigger bed/room so I could have more space to entertain and I’ve ended up with what they call a suite but it is more like an apartment. Kitchen, dining room, lounge and extra bathroom. It’s a 20 minute walk to answer the door!

After getting settled I headed off for my first ‘pop’ of the holiday. After my last trip I had determined that I would make straight for the Delta Spa at Kelapa Gading and have a repeat performance with No 64, Cartika. A bit of an indulgence really as I had no idea if she would be there and I had noticed that there was a Delta Spa real close to my hotel.

A bluebird from the front of the hotel got me to Kelapa Gading and eventually, with my help, we found the spa.

I picked up my wristband and said I wanted to go straight up to the massage area and not use the spa facilities. When I got there I could see number 64 on the board but when I asked I was told she was still working and I would have to wait for 20 minutes. Should give me time for my first Bintang.

I only had a couple of mouthfuls of my beer though before I was directed to my room. I’d chosen the suite option with 3 sessions at 425k rupiah. Although I was freshly showered from the hotel I thought it right to have a room with a shower. Apparently not a view shared by Cartika who after recognising me from my last trip got straight into the massage.

This girl really is the sweetest personality. She was singing to herself whilst doing her job and chattering away in bahasa even though she knows I don’t speak much. After the hot rocks she lay down beside me and started to snuggle which was the biggest turn on.

As we were on our sides and she was pressing into me it didn’t take long for her to sense my growing hard-on (all natural for this session) and she started to play with my little bro.

During our previous session she had been reluctant to allow me anything other than an over the clothing grope of her tits but this time it didn’t take long before I had shirt and bra undone and those magnificent, firm, young tits were cupped in my eager hands. The stiffened nipples were fantastic and tended to the European norm rather than the Asian pencil erasers. She wouldn’t let me take them in my mouth though.

With the massage forgotten play soon developed into another spectacular combination dry hump and HJ which resulted in my violent and exquisite release of stored up protein which she made sure was completely milked out of me.

I am determined that this girl will eventually agree to see me outside of the Spa and that we (or at least I) will enjoy the full act. She is so expert at the HJ and dry hump keeping me on the verge of cumming for so long that I am sure she will be a memorable fuck. Language is proving a bit ofa barrier as my Bahasa is more limited than her English which is minimal. Next time I will be armed with my English-Indo, Indo-English kamus. I’ll keep you posted on my progress on my next Trip.

After she lovingly cleaned me up we lay and cuddled for a bit which was very GFE with Cartika gently stroking and caressing my cock and balls while giving my face and torso little kisses. Towards the end of the session time I was treated to an assisted shower, cleaned up and got back into my street clothes. She walked me back to the public area and I slipped a tip into her hand as we parted.

Down to the cashier I paid the bill and asked for a Bluebird to take me to the Hotel Melawi (report to follow).

[QUOTE=Sapperken]Just to add my own experience of looking for these places that I'd read so much about.

I picked up a Bluebird outside my hotel (Ibis Mangga Dua) and showed the driver the address I had printed out ready for just this situation. Lots of discussion with his colleagues suggested that he didn't know where I wanted to go. At this point I mentioned Bakery Suisse and the penny seemed to drop with one of his mates who chattered to my driver and we were on our way. I don't remember how long the journey was but I eventually saw a sign that suggested that we were on the Jalan Hayam Wuruk and I started to keep an eye out.

Suddenly a shop sign for Bakery Suisse passed through my view and I called the driver to stop. I ascertained that we were indeed in Hayam Wuruk and told him we had passed the bakery. It turned out that he had been directed by his mate to the Holland Bakery. Any way I paid and started the search.

We had passed 2 or 3 alleys since I had seen the Bakery Suisse and as I couldn't remember whether the directions I had read on this board talked of an alley to the left or right of the bakery I looked in all of them.

Some of these alleys are not the best advertisement for Jakarta or Indonesia and I felt like a fish out of water but kept looking.

I eventually came back to the Bakery Suisse but this is a much smaller establishment than I had expected and it is set back under the overhanging first floor of the building and quite difficult to see with all the street vendors out front.

As you look at the bakery the alley with Kartika in is directly on your left and the Kartika sign can be seen from the main road at the end and on the right of the fairly short alley.

Hope this helps some other Kartika newbie. Report of visit to follow.

SK[/QUOTE]If going by Taxi ask to go to Terminal Bayangan Olimo. It is a bus terminal on the south east corner of Jl Hayam Wuruk and Jl Mangabesar. There you can see the bakery. Kartika and Berlian are located in the lane next to the bakery.

Excuse this first "virgin" posting from the veteran mongerers, such as the infamous John Aldrich (I bumped into your friend Sunny from Exxon, whilst transiting from Singapore to UK not so long ago!), Smoothy, Knight 1001, Rainman, 1Ball, Joel Goodson, Sapperken and last but not least, Mighty Spearsman.

Would like to meet up with any/all of you, logistics permitting, so we can exchange comical anecdotes on 2nd, 3rd, or 4th August 2007! Maybe Sportsman on jalan Paletehan around 7-8pm?

This forum is magnificent, and has to be applauded.

It would be a travesty of sexual justice and sharing vital adult knowledge to the discerning travellers amongst us, or simply those who wish to be educationally empowered, trying to deal with the most confusing race - women!

This forum dispenses very accurate (and updated) sexual, medical, touristic, moral and emotional advice.

Bravo Jackson - for the brainchild of this forum.

Having not visited fair Jakarta (and Bali) for a while - it would be great to meet up with such an intelligent diversity of opinion from those discerning menfolk, and would value catching up with the current "cuching liar pulse"!!

Cheers - please confirm.