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[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1186820]Is it nowadays a crime in AC to sit in a bar and having 10 SMB?
Ooops, then I have a problem.[/QUOTE]It's not exactly a crime but it can be a minor inconvenience if you happened to be detained in a raid and taken to Manila so PNP can figure out if you're involved in sex trafficking, especially when it happens the night before your morning flight out.
[QUOTE=Engine Driver; 1186684]The masseuse I EWRd told me that from a 300 peso 1-hour massage she gets 50 pesos. On average, she will see about 3-4 clients a day in a 12-hour shift. She said that her chain of 4 kiosks in Angeles employs a total of 16 girls per shift, so the work must be rotated around unless the customer specifically asks for a particular girl. Most of the time the girls were just sitting around chatting, so I assume in the off season, this figure of 4 jobs per day would seem about right. She is also paid a daily salary of 200 pesos and only gets one day off per month. She mentioned that Koreans, Japanese and Malaysians almost never tipped her. Koreans in particular were very tight with their money and displayed little respect. She said that Australians, Brits and Americans were the most generous with their tips. At the first meeting I gave her a 100 peso tip and she said that was a good amount. From the 1, 500 peso EWR, she gets 250 pesos, so it's as if she has done 5 massages. If you do the math, she would make about 11, 000 pesos per month from the daily retainer and 4 massages a day. Any tips (say 7, 000 pesos per month) would then be on top of this. Add in a couple of EWRs and shopping trips a month and she is not doing too badly. Far better than most Filipinos.
A girl I picked up from MBC in Manila told me that she does body scrubs in a Makati Spa. She is paid a commission of 60 pesos per scrub and then has the opportunity to provide additional services on side (through direct negotiation) , the fee which goes directly into her pocket. While the commission is low by our standards, girls do this for the direct access to foreigners.[/QUOTE]Hear about her hand job skills than her work schedule.
[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1186102]Sorry to be naive but is this true? The girls generally are not pushy about wearing condoms?[/QUOTE]All the girls want condoms but some mongers are pushy in wanting bare back. They have more to worry than mongers as they have to protect their only assets. The only difference is when the girl consider you her boy friend or she is too drunk to know.
[QUOTE=Bundanko;1186881]All the girls want condoms but some mongers are pushy in wanting bare back[/QUOTE]Have had only two AC girls insist on condoms; both times that was due to my own failure to mention bareback. 2 other girls mentioned condoms, but quickly let it go. Have had so many in AC that I can't remember them (without pics) , they rarely mention the glove.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1186844]It's not exactly a crime but it can be a minor inconvenience if you happened to be detained in a raid and taken to Manila so PNP can figure out if you're involved in sex trafficking, especially when it happens the night before your morning flight out.[/QUOTE]Excuse my ignorance, but where on this thread is discussion of mongers being arrested in bars and being taken to Manila for questioning? Was it one week ago or months ago, don't recall reading that. I don't want to be involved in that shit. Spoil my entire vacation if that happened. If a fact, means I avoid Angeles this point onwards.
Thanks for any clarification.
[QUOTE=Engine Driver; 1186684]. She mentioned that Koreans, Japanese and Malaysians almost never tipped her. She said that Australians, Brits and Americans were the most generous with their tips. At the first meeting I gave her a 100 peso tip and she said that was a good amount.[/QUOTE]I would concur that Malaysians are notoriously bad / small / stingy tippers. One guy recently on the KL board wrote a Penthouse type epic about how a massage girl gave him everything, did everything for him and how it was the best sex he had ever had.
The kuripot, then added at the end of his report that because it was such a great time he gave her RM 10 / US$ 3. Says it all about the mind set.
[QUOTE=Engine Driver;1186698]Is Angeles in decline? Are the religious right and the left wing feminists finally agreeing on something - encouraging the Aquino administration to slowly shutdown the bars in return for more US aid money and alternate investment into the Clark Economic Zone? Or am I over analysing everything?[/QUOTE]Currently it is the low season due to the typhoons and rain but things can change fast. Many girls if even in town don't bother to go to work if the weather is bad. If business was bad the bar owners would close down or sell out. The biggest investors in the area these days are Koreans.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1186902]Excuse my ignorance, but where on this thread is discussion of mongers being arrested in bars and being taken to Manila for questioning? Was it one week ago or months ago, don't recall reading that.[/QUOTE]When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1187037]When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.[/QUOTE]I hear from reliable people that some regular patrons were taken in from the last raids.
Mostly harrassment and shake down for cash.
They were eventually released without charge.
The information is they were only there and accused of some made up thingm.
Yes its rare they take customers but in angeles and the pi you never know they (the police) may think they will get some benefit.
Mostly its about who they can shake down and get money. The bar owners pay for the girls to get released and then pay off so they.
Get released. Some bar owners or managers may not be released if they have immigration issues?
Or don't pay enough.
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1187037]When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.[/QUOTE]Harry the Horseman had a narrative from a guy giving a play-by-play on being arrested in one of the raids. It was quite a read and while at the end of the next day, this guy provides an account on how he was treated. Facinating read. Don't know if it was ever copied and posted here.
Just don't see the bargain here. Did a lot of research and found that you can have your teeth laser whitened in US for same amount.
[QUOTE=Capt Munch; 1185709]Just a quick note: I was in AC last week for some dental work and had it done at SmileMakeOver. I have used them a number of times over the last several years. (cleaning and fillings) Their facilities are nice and certainly modern (by Philippine standards and I would say compared to most USA dental offices.)
They offer quite a range of services. I believe that a previous poster was looking for "Whitening" which is offered, though by my best quess, the pricing is similar to USA at $ 500 to $ 600. That said, the other services are affordable. The only caveat would be that they do employ some young dentists that may not have a wealth of experience.
While I was there, another gentleman in the next room (they have several examination rooms) was getting an implant and I believe that there was even a medical doctor present.
They seem to have a knowledgeable staff and certainly are intent on providing a good service. I will be back in the near future for a bridge that will be a fraction of the US cost.
No PM capability. My apologies[/QUOTE]
Simple really; you want to monger on the cheap, you take the risks. The Philippines is a mess in almost every aspect. The people are not the issue. It is the Church and the 7 families.
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1187310]Simple really; you want to monger on the cheap, you take the risks. The Philippines is a mess in almost every aspect. The people are not the issue. It is the Church and the 7 families.[/QUOTE]I would add that for foreign men the Philippines can be a deadly trap baited with kunt.
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1187037]When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.[/QUOTE]If thew raid happens when you are in a bar, just walk out. Do not wait around to see what happens. It is not your concern.
Any kind of remarks or talking will get you in trouble. Do not be a knight in shining armor if you see a girl manhandled by the police.
Not from the article I read in Harry the Horse's Column:
[url]http://www.harrythehorse.asia/?p=3529[/url]
[QUOTE=Mattrick;1187037]When bars get raided the customers never get detained unless of course they pull something stupid.[/QUOTE]