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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2112852]Jnpr30,

I respectfully disagree. There is a separate ISG forum dedicated to American women, but the reason mongers travel outside of the US is personal safety, security, and privacy. If you mongering in the US and caught by police you ruin your life. US is a horrible and stressful place for mongering. I am afraid your statement could mislead people to think otherwise.[/QUOTE]Jnpr30 wrote that USA is "safe for sex". He never wrote that USA is safe for mongering. So it appears that you are disagreeing with something that he never wrote. Of course, I am sure he will clarify.

Watched Wonder woman earlier, terrible movie, although the star Gal Gadot is a stunning lady.

I thought it was amusing that Wonder woman and her amazonian sisters all had accents very similar to the Romanian ladies of hoormany.

[URL]https://youtu.be/VSB4wGIdDwo[/URL]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2113040]Jnpr30 wrote that USA is "safe for sex". He never wrote that USA is safe for mongering. So it appears that you are disagreeing with something that he never wrote. Of course, I am sure he will clarify.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your comment, I admit that I didn't quite understand "safe for sex" regarding USA. A clarification would be nice.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2113063]I appreciate your comment, I admit that I didn't quite understand "safe for sex" regarding USA. A clarification would be nice.[/QUOTE]Thanks McA. He is quite accurate in his read of my intent and my comment.

BTW, there was this experienced monger, forgot his name (Wanker88 or some such moniker) who wrote extensively during the summer and I think he mongered a lot in the US. I am a wuss and have chickened from doing any such thing but our summer friend assured us it was quite safe.

In any case, there are now dozens of sex dating sites. I saw one such site which shows hundreds of pretty girls (and their actual photos and what they will do and what they need) in 50 miles radius from me. That's just one. There are several more, all of them looking to match sugar daddies with their sugar babies. Anyone tried them?

Here is one link.

The NYT article is dated.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/magazine/12sugardaddies-t.html[/URL]

But this Atlantic piece is more recent.

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/[/URL]

Remember how all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for god’s sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands. Many of the high rollers on this site are spending far more, I bet. But then some are the kind that BadIn talked of - men with several millions in bank. One guy just gave his credit card to his sugar baby. Hmm. That needs a lot of guts.

Bottomline: pay for sex happens here in the US, safely and abundantly, especially under more nuanced formats and more sophisticated branding.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2112843]I see repeated references to Weinstein and others of his ilk in some sort of victimhood strain, followed by condescending reference to some random feminist. First of all, these guys were absolute scumbags and were not victims of any kind whatsoever. They got what was coming to them and the only shame is that it took so long to flush them out. Secondly, conflating the disgusting and illegal behavior of these louts with the perfectly legal and generally respectful actions of majority of mongers makes no sense. Thirdly, the people claiming that US or other locations are no longer safe for sex is not true. If you got game, you can still score. No game? Then fly and pay.[/QUOTE]I'd just like to express my agreement with your first point, that Weinstein and his ilk are contemptible. Most of the personalities I usually meet in FKKs are mild-mannered "nice" guys that just aren't as successful with women as they'd like to be. I think the fact that the clientele mostly consists of these types makes the job less of a nightmare than many outside of this world would believe it to be. But every once in awhile, I meet an FKK client who is working out some real anger and entitlement issues about women, and I imagine those guys are more likely to identify with Weinstein than condemn him.

I agree with your second point too, that it's wrong to conflate FKK-goers with these guys. To my point about the mild-mannered making up most of the FKK clients, I think a lot of the clientele is made up of guys who have trouble with the intricacies of interacting with women, don't have it in themselves to be the douchebags that usually win the hot chicks, and are better able to grok the idea of exchanging services for money. Unfortunately, I can see outsiders having trouble with this, and viewing it all under the rubric of female exploitation.

About your third point, I'm not sure I understand, but I echo the sentiment expressed elsewhere in this thread -- I'd never do this in the USA, because the legal consequences seem considerable, and the cultural backlash and societal penalty seems much stronger here. I have friends who have done it, and swear that third-party verification makes it super-safe, but even if you avoid the long arm of the law, you still leave yourself open for blackmail because of how sexually conservative the USA Is. [edit: Jnpr30 explained, I get it]

Weinstein did FKK weinsteine where he used his power in the industry and do it without will.

We mongers go to FKK Germany where we use our money power over girls and girls will decided to do it.

I do strangely do give some level of respect for their brave decision to work in FKK, it is not easy job.

However, we do take not advantage of girls or situation to some extent, and I know some going to say we also help them too as we fund their unfortunate strategy.

Well someones unfortune is someone elses fortune is what is going on depend on how we look at it.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2113105]all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for gods sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands. [/QUOTE]Don't have to go that far. I've fucked a German 21 year old student for a ridiculously small amount of EUR in a 5 hour date we had. Was the first time she had sex in exchange for a present. A lucky shot but not impossible.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2113105]Remember how all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for gods sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands..[/QUOTE]This is not surprising, a big sorority in my University was pretty much an escort agency for other male students from rich families. The first frat party I went to had girls from that sorority offering sex for $5 k per night. I didn't have much money back then but my rich friend picked one he liked and fucked for like 6 months everyday. He was some super rich Chinese guy "studying" in the States.

As you guys know, I was in Germany one week ago. In Duss and Fra.

Last year I was in Berlin and one week later there was bus attack. I was walking there.

This year in Feb. I was in Duss, one week later there was a bus attack.

This year now in Nov., I was in Duss taking train to GT Bruggen and now that I come back one week later, there was a mild train crush there.

What is this scary fact.

I just read this in news and train was going from Duss to Holland so I guess it is Venlo train?

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2113113]

I agree with your second point too, that it's wrong to conflate FKK-goers with these guys. To my point about the mild-mannered making up most of the FKK clients, I think a lot of the clientele is made up of guys who have trouble with the intricacies of interacting with women, don't have it in themselves to be the douchebags that usually win the hot chicks, and are better able to grok the idea of exchanging services for money. Unfortunately, I can see outsiders having trouble with this, and viewing it all under the rubric of female exploitation.
[/QUOTE]Salaam Jmioffe, so true, everything you wrote. Most of the FKK girls I know are pretty confident and more in control of their own destinies than the girls left at home in the factories and offices making two bucks an hour. If anybody is exploited, it is the guys, especially some of the more naive Japanese and Scandinavians coming to the tourist clubs.

In a big US city you would need $500 to fuck any girl better than a junkie. This means if guys want quality sex with a range of women on a regular basis they better be one-percenters. But in Germany it's different. In the early 80's a guy called Bernd had this idea: how about opening up sex to the middle classes? You could go along to his house on the weekend and there would be the local chiropractor and pub owner and whatever. All of these regular useful guys getting hot chicks every week. It was like the democratization of sex, and I think the girls benefited too because they were exposed to a wide range of middle-class values. Compare that to the US model where the girls have come to accept that they should only fuck corporate sociopaths -- to the extent that they actively look for sociopathic qualities before agreeing to fuck someone. So those values bounce back to the "beta males" and bounce back again to the few remaining nice girls and basically keep circulating until everything is fucked up because sex has been taken away from Main Street.

And every now and again somebody goes postal.

Can you still get decent BJ in FKK?

We all have pictures in our heads of the lives of the workers. From time to time I get lucky and have (I think) reliable anecdotes.

1. The girl who saw a colleague meet an older steady guy meet for coffee, and a nice donation of euros, and then thought that was a good option. So she went out with a young party guy who did drugs and she ended up in hospital, career probably ruined, and too scared to give the Police info.

2. Girls sometimes get pregnant, either through forgetting the pills, or replying on condoms. Sometimes they even keep the child, bring it up, having no idea who the father is.

3. Girls sometimes get sexual infections which prevent them working for weeks, all the while they have rent to pay, and family to support.

All this to say nothing of the longterm health risks (cervical cancer).

This makes me think that some of the girls earn every penny and deserve more.

And no, I am not a White Knight looking for girls to rescue, and my views on the greedy Precious Princesses, who want 100 euros just to look at you as a human being have been written many times. This post is I guess the other side of the story, the stories of some girls who work hard and are kind.

One guy has recently been banned from a club because he posted about its services in some detail, and as a result the club was able to identify him, and then ban him.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2114154]One guy has recently been banned from a club because he posted about its services in some detail, and as a result the club was able to identify him, and then ban him.[/QUOTE]Yeah I heard this too. Such a shame.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2114152]replying on condoms. [/QUOTE]Could you explain more what replying on condoms means?