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[QUOTE=Python75; 1297820]I think you have adopted too much of a literal interpretation of my post, and although I can understand what you are saying it is off the mark.

When discussing 'fun' there is always an underlying implication of a monetary value transaction. When girls agree to meet me for fun they will usually say one of two things:

1) how much will you pay me? Or.

2) what is your gift to me?

A lot of girls know the score but do not want to portray themselves as prostitutes, and will thus shy away from directly asking for money, but there is a strong expectation on their part that they will receive 'something' whether it is money, clothes, or whatever.

One could of course be an absolute shit and fuck them and then kick them out without giving them anything. But that certainly is not my style.

The other approach which was suggested was to deviously imply that you are after a serious relationship in order to get into the girl's knickers, when in reality you have no such intention. But even that approach would involve money being spent. My own take on that tactic is that it messes with the girl's emotions and leaves them very bitter, and as such it is something that I cannot do. Others may not have a problem with it.

And then I guess that leads us to the age old rhetorical question: 'is any sex free? '[/QUOTE]My orginal post stated the following:

"There are many ways to obtain free sex in the Phili, I only offer my method. Many guys have their own way of going about it and they can offer their suggestions if they like. I say all of this ahead of time and provide this disclamier so I can avoid replies from other guys wanting to debate my methods. What works for me, may not work for someone else. Likewise, their methods may not work for me."

I posted the disclaimer to avoid these debates. But what did I get, debates on my methods regarding obtaining sex and why I should not lie to obtain sex.

Here is the hard core truth, often times, men and women lie in relathionships. This has been going on since the start of time. Your debates will not change that fact of life.

Why are some men now shocked at fact that men and women lie in relathionships and want to debate it. It is a waste of time debating this topic any further. Debating it more will not change the fact that men lie to obtain sex and women lie to obtain money. How many guys have been scamed / lied to by girls wanting money. How many guys have had several sex partners and lied to each of them, to keep all the relathionships going. For the sake of having free sex (I. E, not having to pay a hooker).

Attempting to give me advice why I should not lie to obtain sex and then debate it, will not change the fact that men around the world will continue to do it. And, let's not forget, chruches have been sued over the fact priest have lied about having sex and lied to obtain sex. Men taking the moral position that to tell a lie to obtain sex is not right have forgotton where they are. Before guys take the moral high ground, let's not forget what type of website we are on. That is, a website for the purpose of fiding girls in 3rd world countries to pay them to have sex with us. Many people around the world would find that to be immoral. Thus, non of us are in any moral position to past judgement on another guys legal method to obtain sex.

Let's get beyond debating this fact of life and return to the real purpose of this website, which is -- where to go to find women to have sex with.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1298053]"There are many ways to obtain free sex in the Phili, I only offer my method. Many guys have their own way of going about it and they can offer their suggestions if they like. I say all of this ahead of time and provide this disclamier so I can avoid replies from other guys wanting to debate my methods. What works for me, may not work for someone else. Likewise, their methods may not work for me."

I posted the disclaimer to avoid these debates. But what did I get, debates on my methods regarding obtaining sex and why I should not lie to obtain sex.[/QUOTE]I acknowledged your disclaimer Undercover but offered a comment on your methods for OTHERS to read, since I disagreed with your approach.

I was rather surprised when you ignored your own disclaimer and started debating.

You obviously didn't feel strongly about it because you couldn't resist responding not once but several times after your post.

It is an open society here. You can't expect us to go along with your decrees if we don't agree with them.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1297988]In the room there was a big jealous fit. I reminded her what we discussed before. She flatly said now she is in love with me and do not want me to talk to other girls.

I assured her that I will never have sex with anybody else when she is with me.[/QUOTE]LOL Sammon.

Loved your FR as pinays see jealousy as equalling love which it is not. I have told many pinay it is a negative emotion and I tell them why etc. Sometimes if gets through and if not and it continues I just stop seeing them.

This happens all the time they just have to jealous! We are born, taxed and we die. 3 sure things. So add a 4th. Pinays will be jealous.

As for bringing a girl back, I like to ask them to chose one for a FFM and see the reaction. It tells me whether the cutie has to credentials for WR GFE.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1298163]LOL Sammon.

Loved your FR as pinays see jealousy as equalling love which it is not. I have told many pinay it is a negative emotion and I tell them why etc. Sometimes if gets through and if not and it continues I just stop seeing them.

This happens all the time they just have to jealous! We are born, taxed and we die. 3 sure things. So add a 4th. Pinays will be jealous.

As for bringing a girl back, I like to ask them to chose one for a FFM and see the reaction. It tells me whether the cutie has to credentials for WR GFE.[/QUOTE]I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist to give them advice. I am there to fuck the hell out of them. If the sex is good I do not want to spoil their mood whatever it is.

If the sex is not good I can tolerate only couple days before I boot them out irrespective of previous arrangement. I do it subtly anyway saying I something came up and I need to live.

It is funny even bargirls throw a fit of jealousy. When I remind them that they open their legs to different men day in and day out they remind me it is my responsibility to give them respect even if it is one night.

Whom am I to argue about that logic?

Jealousy is normal fo everybody including men. But generally men keep it inside and not blow up.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1298224]It is funny even bargirls throw a fit of jealousy. When I remind them that they open their legs to different men day in and day out they remind me it is my responsibility to give them respect even if it is one night.[/QUOTE]You've got to admit, that was a great comeback from the bargirls!

RG

[QUOTE=Sammon;1298224]Jealousy is normal fo everybody including men. But generally men keep it inside and not blow up.[/QUOTE]I think "some" men are just as jealous as "some" women. The stereotype of all women being jealous is not correct.

In fact, most stereotypes are not correct. Look deep into your own psyche and check on your own individual levels of jealousy.

Why do guys give money to girls to stay home in the province instead of working in a bar? Every guy will tell you it is because they want to help them escape their shitty life in the bar. The real reason is they are "jealous" and hate the idea of other guys taking them out every night.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1298053]My orginal post stated the following:

Why are some men now shocked at fact that men and women lie in relathionships and want to debate it. It is a waste of time debating this topic any further. Debating it more will not change the fact that men lie to obtain sex and women lie to obtain money. How many guys have been scamed / lied to by girls wanting money. How many guys have had several sex partners and lied to each of them, to keep all the relathionships going. For the sake of having free sex (I. E, not having to pay a hooker).[/QUOTE]Men are not shocked that men and women lie in relationships. But there is lying and there is lying. I freely admit to lying in order to cover my mongering tracks. But I don't lie to fuck with a girl's emotions as well as their bodies by implying that I want a serious relationship with her when I have no intention of doing so.

Was in the MBC last night (I stay 1 night in Manila when I arrive in PI on my 2-3 trips per year, before heading to AC) and found the MBC stacked to the rafters with heaps of good birds looking for some spare cash, usually you only have a couple mixed in with the fruglies and grannies. However with the 3 birds I quizzed none would drop the ST below 1500, 1 bird would not budge from 2500 I am amazed at the non buisness approah of some of them, better going home with a couple of bucks than fuck all $$$$

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1298393]I think "some" men are just as jealous as "some" women. The stereotype of all women being jealous is not correct.

In fact, most stereotypes are not correct. Look deep into your own psyche and check on your own individual levels of jealousy.

Why do guys give money to girls to stay home in the province instead of working in a bar? Every guy will tell you it is because they want to help them escape their shitty life in the bar. The real reason is they are "jealous" and hate the idea of other guys taking them out every night.[/QUOTE]Good observation RK.

Pinoys are known to be very possessive etc.

But the worst are some white guys / westerners. Stories I have heard make me shudder. The girls can't go out, must give the password to all dating sites and YM etc, they are called and text regularly about their whereabouts, one guy even insisted in skype chat with cam to makeeach evening (he specified the time that day) to make sure she was at home. So many men are nasty, jealous and I would say cruel individuals as when (and if ever) they arrive PI play the field. I know one lovely pinay in Makati in exactly this position. Oif she wants the cash to support her baby (from he European) he insists on certain things but he has plenty bar girls to amuse him. She can't go to her sisters without his permission! Complete moron!

Is why it is better not to be jealous, be open and liberal and a tad naughty at times like me LOL.

And when guys try to marry a bar girl realise he met her in a bar with P4P and don't expect her to change overnight or ever!

One guy in the UAE met a very naughty girl, knew she liked all sorts of things but as soon she the girlfriend wrapped her in cotton wool and would not let her play. So she called uncle WR complaining about this so being a gentleman (as I am despite rumours to the contrary) so I helped a lady in distress and I let her party with me LOL

[QUOTE=Apeman 28;1298522]Was in the MBC last night . However with the 3 birds I quizzed none would drop the ST below 1500, 1 bird would not budge from 2500 I am amazed at the non buisness approah of some of them, better going home with a couple of bucks than fuck all $$$$[/QUOTE]I know some cheap charlies will attack me on all fronts but I believe the going rate (if there is such a thing) is 1500 php as expressed before on several other threads.

For me, it is either free (my DIA contacts) or I give them 1500 php if they want payment. Most girls will accept it. 1500 php barely buys enough milk to feed a baby for a fortnight.

If a woman sets another figure and won't budge from it, (like Apeman's 2500 woman) then just accept that she doesn't want to go with you. Women do have a choice (especially in MBC) where there are no domineering mamasans to force them to go.

You are a good freind on this front. It is just getting them to understand it is what they want. Money and sex together. Like Diamonds for a woman.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1298831]I know some cheap charlies will attack me on all fronts but I believe the going rate (if there is such a thing) is 1500 php as expressed before on several other threads.

For me, it is either free (my DIA contacts) or I give them 1500 php if they want payment. Most girls will accept it. 1500 php barely buys enough milk to feed a baby for a fortnight.

If a woman sets another figure and won't budge from it, (like Apeman's 2500 woman) then just accept that she doesn't want to go with you. Women do have a choice (especially in MBC) where there are no domineering mamasans to force them to go.[/QUOTE]Concur. 1500 st / 2000-2500 lt has been in place for some time. I'm a bit on the cheap side, but 1. 5 is snapped up for st 80% of the time. I know I posted a year ago about getting several 1000 st's, but those were qualified to the girl with 2-hour max in the room. I quickly got several sets of two-somes that way. 2 hours for 2000 total. I told the girl up front no tip, and in each case she ran to grab a friend. I think, in the girl's mind, when she thinks 2 hours / 1 pop, they are fine with 1000. But when they think 3 hours and 2 pops. 1500. And yes, I've ran into girls there who wouldn't budge under 3000 for any time length. More than once I've had high-end girls tell me I'm crazy, that no girl would go for 1. 5, and ten minutes later I'm walking out with two hotties, while looking over at the original high-end girl, holding up one finger and mouthing,"One thow sand." It helps bring the high-end girl back down to reality, but unfortunately there will be some newb who chats her up an hour later and thinks 3000 is manna from heaven and gives it to her gladly, then tips her another 1000 afterwards.

Girlfriend wanted Jollibee last night and I said OK, be back in less than an hour as I've been sitting around here all day at the condo in Ermita and will go have a beer and get Jollibee across the street. Did a deal for today at 2, 000 for the afternoon after the gf leaves to go visit family overnight. Assuming performance is there, I consider it a fair deal for all involved. Some guys might try to knock it back a couple hundred pesos but for 4-5 hours I have no problem with that.

I was talking to this chick called PrincessB or something before my trip. She was adamant that 5000 was her rate. I offered her 3000 because she looked like a stunner. Her response was "sorry but your 3000 just won't do." I was like what do you mean it won't do? You will be taking a 200 peso taxi to get to where I am. IF THAT! Theres an element of total scammers in the craigslist girls that think they can rip off tourists. Instead I went to MBC and got 2 for 3000 and got a few rounds each girl.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1299830]Girlfriend wanted Jollibee last night and I said OK, be back in less than an hour as I've been sitting around here all day at the condo in Ermita and will go have a beer and get Jollibee across the street. Did a deal for today at 2, 000 for the afternoon after the gf leaves to go visit family overnight. Assuming performance is there, I consider it a fair deal for all involved. Some guys might try to knock it back a couple hundred pesos but for 4-5 hours I have no problem with that.[/QUOTE]Its good deal especially if the girl is coming to you and its arranged in advance. You are not having to head to MBC / Gpoint to get another gal. Well-played Slip, especially given the unrushed timeframe.