Kyiv

In preparation for my March trip to Kiev I have started to carry on some conversations on mamba. So far I have had three advertisers who offer "Sex for money" come back with offers of $100 / hr. This seems out of line. Am I expected to dicker through the messaging process?

The advertisers looking for anything else have not gotten to the point of discussing compensation. All chatty and acting interested. Do I raise the issue of costs and services at all with these prospects?

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1240708]As being portugueese I'm little bit inpatient. I'm reading carefully all your comments guys (as time allows me). Sorry for my english, not the best. Hopefully understood your tactics in Rio and it can help me. I'm an adventurer, had a very nice sessions with 10s in moscow, although exansive ones. About 400 $ per hour, had in st. Petersburg some sessions with 9s. 150 $.200$ p / hour, and some georgeous latvian 9-10 s in riga (200$). You should chek krakov too. Poland, nice girls, good prices. Have been recently in prague to k5 relax. Nice sessions, some beautiful chiks 7-8s mostly, few 9s. Have someone been in k5 relax, how would you compare beauty and sex performance of chekh girls compared to Rio club in kiew? Where there are more beautiful girls? It is common to give an additional tip to Rio girl after 3 hours session? If you have some questions about russia, baltics, poland, chzech republic, former jugoslavia I will try to answer. With respect Fernando.[/QUOTE]Well, if you had already many experience (you are not a newbie) in Moscow, SP, Riga and Krakov, I want to ask you whether you could take pictures or videos of the girls? How you negotiate the service (like CIM, anal maybe, or take pics) in those cities?

Thanks & Regards.

If you focus on the quality of "sex", you discover they mean pussy condomed fucking only. That means you pay 100$/hour+airfare+accommodation=300$/hour (average). You should understand that rate is good to take any luxury escort in all over the world.

If you spoil girls with those rates now, you pay higher rates in next future. Just as in Moscow, where the P4P is absurd.

You will find a good provider only if you search a lot, a lot, a lot.

I remind what one of the best prostitute in the world (that you folks can't imagine) said to me: "If I am a customer, instead to waste my money in that stupid way, I masturbe me and I get glad again."

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1241920]In preparation for my March trip to Kiev I have started to carry on some conversations on mamba. So far I have had three advertisers who offer "Sex for money" come back with offers of $100 / hr. This seems out of line. Am I expected to dicker through the messaging process?

The advertisers looking for anything else have not gotten to the point of discussing compensation. All chatty and acting interested. Do I raise the issue of costs and services at all with these prospects?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1241920]In preparation for my March trip to Kiev I have started to carry on some conversations on mamba. So far I have had three advertisers who offer "Sex for money" come back with offers of $100 / hr. This seems out of line. Am I expected to dicker through the messaging process?

The advertisers looking for anything else have not gotten to the point of discussing compensation. All chatty and acting interested. Do I raise the issue of costs and services at all with these prospects?[/QUOTE]I am middle 50's. Had 8 nights in Kyiv (alone) before Lady D (Dnep'are City) showed up.

Was trying to hook up with as many from mamba as I could. Worked 2 months prior to landing!

1st night V (33 yr old legal office worker) met me at 23:00 in nearby "joint".

I was expecting to spend some CASH as she had been writing about some expensive places for us to visit!

She had 1 quick cocktail and begged to go to the flat! SHE ALMOST HURT ME! Wild. Hard. Riding was done!

She became my "come to me and fuck" ALL week long.

My point here is that I worked her UP into a frenzy via Mamba!

I also use the icons to suggest $$$$ (mamba has 1 giving a gift) Use this and they get the idea!

First morning I tried to give her 1000 uah and she refused. Finally took 200 for taxi 's!

Later she was upset I did not buy her a gift other than the booze, dinners, breakfasts.

I felt bad as she was very."very good Girl"! But I also did not want her to think we had any future!

LS Guy

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1241920]In preparation for my March trip to Kiev I have started to carry on some conversations on mamba. So far I have had three advertisers who offer "Sex for money" come back with offers of $100 / hr. This seems out of line. Am I expected to dicker through the messaging process?

The advertisers looking for anything else have not gotten to the point of discussing compensation. All chatty and acting interested. Do I raise the issue of costs and services at all with these prospects?[/QUOTE]IMHO. 100$ per hour is price for takeout from a Strip club or if you order from Gia, but for nice looking young mamba girl. 100$ but for 2, 3 hours without anal (if you get lucky, maybe that included too) , and a 30-50 extra for anal. For milfs, that price, but for night.

Last few weeks I find more girl who do not want to say her price, and asking me, how much I can pay. So that is for me, fair amount for first meeting.

And if that is not the real girl from photo, what is I always ask to verify, sending her back with no money is guarantied!

Good luck!

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1241920]In preparation for my March trip to Kiev I have started to carry on some conversations on mamba. So far I have had three advertisers who offer "Sex for money" come back with offers of $100 / hr. This seems out of line. Am I expected to dicker through the messaging process?

The advertisers looking for anything else have not gotten to the point of discussing compensation. All chatty and acting interested. Do I raise the issue of costs and services at all with these prospects?[/QUOTE]

I receive a strange message in Mamba is the web site working OK, in my computer NO but in my Iphone is ok who can help me?

[QUOTE=Naykan; 1241813]Hello, Liljoel,

Can you recommend any fair price hotel next to Rio strip club?

If any more info about that club and girls are highly appreciated.

Thanks.

Best regards.[/QUOTE]Naykan, I don't know about hotels, because I have only done apartment rentals from kievapts. Com for all my prior trips to Kiev.

You should address your questions to the whole membership, not just me, since there is a lot of knowledge out there and maybe another monger who has stayed at hotels possesses the information you seek.

Just a tip, though. In general Google Maps contains a powerful search tool to locate things. Click on any pin in a map of an area of your interest in Kiev and a balloon box will open that has options, one of which is "search nearby". Click on that option and a box will open where you can enter what you are searching for, so typing in the word "hotel" to that box will bring up hotels in that proximity on the map.

Also what is it about my recommendation, so often repeated, about the requirement to read the forum going back a year or a half year, that you failed to understand?

RIO QUESTIONS: I have written extensively about Rio. I promise I have held nothing back. Everything I know is in my prior reports. So nothing prevents you from reading what I wrote and learning what I know about Rio. Surely you are not that inconsiderate to want to burden me to rewrite information I have already posted about Rio all over again just especially for you? However, if you have read all my prior reports and have a specific question about something I wrote about Rio, by all means ask.

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1242294]Naykan, I don't know about hotels, because I have only done apartment rentals from kievapts. Com for all my prior trips to Kiev.

You should address your questions to the whole membership, not just me, since there is a lot of knowledge out there and maybe another monger who has stayed at hotels possesses the information you seek.

Just a tip, though. In general Google Maps contains a powerful search tool to locate things. Click on any pin in a map of an area of your interest in Kiev and a balloon box will open that has options, one of which is "search nearby". Click on that option and a box will open where you can enter what you are searching for, so typing in the word "hotel" to that box will bring up hotels in that proximity on the map.

Also what is it about my recommendation, so often repeated, about the requirement to read the forum going back a year or a half year, that you failed to understand?

RIO QUESTIONS: I have written extensively about Rio. I promise I have held nothing back. Everything I know is in my prior reports. So nothing prevents you from reading what I wrote and learning what I know about Rio. Surely you are not that inconsiderate to want to burden me to rewrite information I have already posted about Rio all over again just especially for you? However, if you have read all my prior reports and have a specific question about something I wrote about Rio, by all means ask.[/QUOTE]I agree with opting for apartments over hotels. More cost effective and easier, in my opinion, to use.

Also, you can bring who you want to your 'flat' when you want. Can do 'the make dinner' ploy. Ukrainian women like that!

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1241920]In preparation for my March trip to Kiev I have started to carry on some conversations on mamba. So far I have had three advertisers who offer "Sex for money" come back with offers of $100 / hr. This seems out of line. Am I expected to dicker through the messaging process?

The advertisers looking for anything else have not gotten to the point of discussing compensation. All chatty and acting interested. Do I raise the issue of costs and services at all with these prospects?[/QUOTE]Why do you feel $100 / hr in Kiev is "out of line"? I believe it is a widely used base price in Kiev and totally acceptable for a beautiful girl.

Can you get girls for less than $100 / hr? Yes, of course. See the ads for some of those girls on top-modals. Com or minuet. Biz or other websites previously mentioned.

However, I would not bother bargaining on the internet with mamba girls who have sent you a normal range price of $100 / hr. I would wait until she shows up on your doorstep and you see what you're dealing with, because you need to take into account in such a negotiation the actual level of her beauty.

If a girl who looks nothing like her really hot profile pictures shows up on your doorstep, and she doesn't look as good as she represented, you have a basis to refuse her original price and offer less. But then you have the upper hand, since she has already made the effort to come to your apartment, which will be wasted time for her if she leaves. So then you can decide to send her away, or say you will consider letting her stay even though her pics were phony but only at a lower price you are more comfortable with.

On the other hand, if the girl who shows up on your doorstep is a great beauty and you really want her, then you might consider her request for $100 / hr for first hour, but then try to get her to stay longer at lower prices. If she likes you, or if she simply needs the money it is very possible to get her to stay longer for less. Every additional hour she stays at lower prices reduces the net rate of the first hour anyway. For example, if she agrees to stay for a 2nd hour for another $50, (for a total of $150/2 hours) , it means that her net hourly rate became $75 / hr.

If you are looking for p4p, you should feel free to ask any girl on mamba. Ru who has in her profile "offers sex for money" or even "looking for a sponsor" the simple question of "what is your phone number and what are your conditions?" This is discreet enough and to the point. You may find you will receive a standard advertisement type response with the requested phone number, rates, and services info. You may also receive an incomplete response, and you will have to follow up for the missing info.

If you are contacting regular girls who don't have in their profiles "offers sex for money" or even "looking for a sponsor" or even say "not looking for sponsor", then you must be more discreet and pursue it as a normal freebie date, if and until the girl herself brings up money.

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1242302]Why do you feel $100 / hr in Kiev is "out of line"? I believe it is a widely used base price in Kiev and totally acceptable for a beautiful girl.

Can you get girls for less than $100 / hr? Yes, of course. See the ads for some of those girls on top-modals. Com or minuet. Biz or other websites previously mentioned.

If you are contacting regular girls who don't have in their profiles "offers sex for money" or even "looking for a sponsor" or even say "not looking for sponsor", then you must be more discreet and pursue it as a normal freebie date, if and until the girl herself brings up money.[/QUOTE]LilJoey,

Again your well thought out response answers my question exactly. I have been selecting the hottest girls on mamba, of course I'm not seeing the 300UAH prices often quoted in previous posts. This is not a budget trip anyway, so I will follow your advice, and either pay up, negotiate, or send them away when they get to the door.

RS

[QUOTE=Sponsor74; 1242265]sorry for disturbingyou BUT now my Mamba problem is solved

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1242330]LilJoey,

Again your well thought out response answers my question exactly. I have been selecting the hottest girls on mamba, of course I'm not seeing the 300UAH prices often quoted in previous posts. This is not a budget trip anyway, so I will follow your advice, and either pay up, negotiate, or send them away when they get to the door.

RS[/QUOTE]300 UAH is often quoted on this forum as a mamba girl's price? All the hot girls I ever wrote to on mamba. Ru quoted 600 UAH or 800 UAH. Some asked $100 which is the same as 800 UAH. Some who considered themselves elite asked $300, and when pressed agreed it was for three hours or two hours. Take a look at photos on top-modals. Com of what girls look like who are asking 400 UAH or 300 UAH. Beware! You are not likely to get a girl who looks anything like a 7, 8, 9 or 10 at such bargain rates from an internet escort website. However, guys have succeeded in getting girls that they saw on the street were pretty, who ended up staying with them and asking or accepting a small amount. 300 UAH is a bit less than $38. It is not likely to get a very hot girl who is a WG for such a small amount. If you are looking for such low prices, and you don't care if the girl is fat or ugly then I guess it's possible. Or you may luck out with a non-pro clueless girl you picked up in the street. But if you are seeking WG beauties, then you will need to be able to also consider those girls on mamba asking 600 UAH to 800 UAH, which seems to me to be what most girls with hot pics on mamba have been asking in response to my messages. And then when she shows up, if she has not used accurate pics, you can try to renegotiate.

Realize also that, for the sake of comparison, in German FKK's as well as other european countries the rate of 100 Euro/hr is a standard base rate for low priced WG services. So paying $100/hr (800 UAH) in Kiev is less than that, and is an improvement on the 100 Euro/hr rate. The $75/hr (600 UAH) rate prevalent also in Kiev is even less than that. Looking at rates in nearby Poland (where 300 zloty is $100) girls who are decent looking can be had for 300 zloty ($100) or 200 zloty ($66) or even 100 zloty ($33) (see odloty.pl and similar wesites). So prices in Kiev are similar, or maybe a bit higher than in Poland.

From what I gather, the options on the two seem very similar. Both are hit and miss, what you get will be very different from what you see in pics but still can be lot of fun. The question I have is which of these is a better bet? Or what are the pros and cons of mamba vs topmodals when compared to each other? The goal would be to land good GFE from a 7-9 in looks and attitude.

[QUOTE=LifeSavour; 1242140]I am middle 50's. Had 8 nights in Kyiv (alone) before Lady D (Dnep'are City) showed up.

Was trying to hook up with as many from mamba as I could. Worked 2 months prior to landing!

1st night V (33 yr old legal office worker) met me at 23:00 in nearby "joint".

I was expecting to spend some CASH as she had been writing about some expensive places for us to visit!

She had 1 quick cocktail and begged to go to the flat! SHE ALMOST HURT ME! Wild. Hard. Riding was done!

She became my "come to me and fuck" ALL week long.[/QUOTE]That is a great story and shows the endless possibilities available in Kiev!

With respect, though, maybe you should have bought her a nice "girlfriend present", with some of that $$$ you had been expecting to spend on her anyway.

[QUOTE=Charisman;1242689]From what I gather, the options on the two seem very similar. Both are hit and miss, what you get will be very different from what you see in pics but still can be lot of fun. The question I have is which of these is a better bet? Or what are the pros and cons of mamba vs topmodals when compared to each other? The goal would be to land good GFE from a 7-9 in looks and attitude.[/QUOTE].

Thanks for your reply to my previous message. I don't have experiences with topmodals and now with your information I have an idea of this site. With Mamba I contact girlds mainly in Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk. In both cities I am the opinion that not all girls are located there and visit these cities from time to time to make some extra money. The action in Dneproüpetrovsk is not big like in Kiev, prices are is some cases cheaper than to Kiev BUT the risk of not real girls is the same in both cities; therefore is hard work and several messages previous to my trips. Apartments for sure cheaper in Dnepropetrovs but flight connections are not good and the prices for flying there 2 or 3 times more than to Kiev. I trust this information help to compare