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FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.

M88,

Well reasoned and well written. Nobody can be entirely certain about just what CPB is looking for but much of what you say is likely true. My home market used to have hot girls from MTL that would come through regularly. It stopped some years ago, during Obama in fact. Depressing.

With FOSTA, and the demise of local review boards and verifications services, my local market has become unworkable. I could spend a lot of time chasing low quality providers. And by time I don't mean online but actually driving to meet them for a likely disappointing session. So I'm forced to fly hours away, which has its benefits but I miss a hot reliable local option. I had 3 but they've aged out and to replace them is just too much work.

Good advice too about doing a fling abroad rather than at home to lower risk.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2229150]There might be some theoretical legal violation for a US guy to arrange for a foreign lady to fly to a non-US country for travel / sex that he pays for, if the funds arise from the US, but no practical problem there as long as she is 18 or over. The laws against prostitution do not travel with a US guy unless she is under 18.

The difficulty I was talking about was the tendency of US Immigration / Border Patrol to heavily question ladies arriving into the US alone. We have learned a lot from the stories of Montreal escorts touring the US, of which there are fewer every year due to many of them being banned. There is actually a prohibition in US laws for women entering the US who have worked in the sex industry (even legally) during a period of time preceding that entry. US Immigration / Border Patrol actually has databases of Canadian escorts who advertise in Canada and spends a significant length of time and effort matching those ads / photos to Canadian escorts who advertise a US tour. They often pull them aside for questioning, look for condoms / sex toys on the way in, and for money on the way back in bag searches. When confronted with agents who show them ads, websites, evidence, etc. , most agree to a temporary ban from entering the US.

It is pretty fucking unbelievable that US Immigration / Border Patrol spends its time this way. It is not political as it has spanned several Presidents. Obviously it picked up in scope after 9/11 and the increased funding for the agency.

The entry point is the practical issue. When someone enters Europe for vacation, they say Welcome, even if the traveler is alone. Quite a bit different when entering the US, where single travelers, particularly women, are often targeted for further screening.

I have simply told guys I question the wisdom of putting there future in the hands of a scared young lady being grilled in a room by experienced TSA interrogators. If she is promised no legal problems for just signing a form stating that Mr. Smith, who is all over her email and text history, purchased her plane ticket and promised to pay (maybe with a deposit) $XXX for a week of sex. Mr. Smith could get charged with some federal felonies.

Compare this to the almost 0 percent chance of him ever getting charged with a minor state misdemeanor for booking a US escort who screens her customers, and I have just always told guys I think it is unwise to fly Canadian (or other foreign escorts) into the US. Just my opinion, and bad things don't always happen, but it is a reasonable thought pattern. I think US guys should either go to the foreign country themselves or book a local US escort who is safe from law enforcement scrutiny charges a lot and screens. A lot of US johns are really lousy at evaluating probabilities, and often choose a method, such as an inexpensive local lady who does no screening, that greatly increases their risk. The screening protects them, even if they give up personal information. And flying a foreign girl in is really risky unless she is very savvy with her story if questioned.

But meeting the foreign lady in a neutral country wouldn't generate the same level of risks for the US guy.[/QUOTE]

I have taken several girls whom I met in boates or who were freelancing GDPs to Europe, the UK and one to the USA twice (that requires more planning).

It is not prostitution when you do a BF / GF thing, even though I give them money. Everyone knows the line, "I pay them to go home after we have sex". That more or less defines a prostitute. When you take a GDP to Europe or the USA, you no longer have the luxury that they automatically dissapear. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

In any case, INS is not going to prosecute anyone for trafficking for this offense.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2229309]M88,

Well reasoned and well written. Nobody can be entirely certain about just what CPB is looking for but much of what you say is likely true. My home market used to have hot girls from MTL that would come through regularly. It stopped some years ago, during Obama in fact. Depressing.

With FOSTA, and the demise of local review boards and verifications services, my local market has become unworkable. I could spend a lot of time chasing low quality providers. And by time I don't mean online but actually driving to meet them for a likely disappointing session. So I'm forced to fly hours away, which has its benefits but I miss a hot reliable local option. I had 3 but they've aged out and to replace them is just too much work.

Good advice too about doing a fling abroad rather than at home to lower risk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Forest;2229740]I have taken several girls whom I met in boates or who were freelancing GDPs to Europe, the UK and one to the USA twice (that requires more planning).

It is not prostitution when you do a BF / GF thing, even though I give them money. Everyone knows the line, "I pay them to go home after we have sex". That more or less defines a prostitute. When you take a GDP to Europe or the USA, you no longer have the luxury that they automatically dissapear. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

In any case, INS is not going to prosecute anyone for trafficking for this offense.[/QUOTE]With facts like you wrote, what I posted would be nonsense.

I was not talking about accompanying a lady. I was talking about a guy arranging for a lady he barely knows to fly in to see him in the US. Pretty awkward situation if she gets chosen for additional screening and takes out a crumpled yellow piece of paper, or has to access her email, to remember what your name is.

Some ladies are savvy, some aren't.

What you described is a lot different than what I described.

Many of us were very surprised to find out from the Montreal local board that US Immigration maintains a database of Canadian escort ads. This information comes from the providers themselves and their experiences.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2229161]FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.[/QUOTE]This is great news. One thing I have done in the past is to spend half the time in Jardins and the other half in Moema. I enjoy the clinicas in Moema which are better than the clinicas reachable from Paulista in my opinion but often, while in Moema, I found myself eating at the food court in the mall. Those were the days when I was younger and two pops on the same day for multiple days was no problem. But also in those days Kilt and Bomboa were two of my favorite clubs which are closer to Jardins. In Moema, Bahamas was within walking distance from the shopping center. There was another nightclub called Akaza in Moema that was decent. Now in Moema, I can't recommend Zeus Bar or Bahamas based past experiences and Akaza is closed.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2230019] but often, while in Moema, I found myself eating at the food court in the mall. .[/QUOTE]Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2229779]

Many of us were very surprised to find out from the Montreal local board that US Immigration maintains a database of Canadian escort ads. This information comes from the providers themselves and their experiences.[/QUOTE]This is so true. And what is the charge? Apparently there is some type of Anti-morality clause and escorts are not allowed to travel to the United States within 10 years of being an escort. It sounds silly but many escorts from Montreal have been banned. This was a surprise learning for me.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2230049]Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.[/QUOTE]Haha, sorry, just read this and it reads very snippy. I did not mean it to come across that way.

I was just wondering if you meant that you were in the mall because there were no other good options or you were just in the mall to kill time between your sessions?

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2230103]Haha, sorry, just read this and it reads very snippy. I did not mean it to come across that way.[/QUOTE]Ah-ha, I think Rovnak and Traveller44 are the same person. ;)

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2229139]I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.[/QUOTE]Ok. The amazing Thifany visit is in the books and it was a blast. I confess however it was seriously stressful at points. Particularly at arrival but also trying to work around work.

It did not start well when I received a call from her balling her eyes out because she missed her flight. She was truly upset. I had my scam alert radar up but was overruled by both compassion for her and my desire to really do this thing I planned. So I made the split second decision to book her another flight. The other big complication was neither of us had data plans for UK. So our Whatapp communication goes completely dark when either one lacks WiFi. This happened at final arrival where I waited for 45 minutes desperately trying to get WiFi and was literally leaving when she found me! Ok so that is the fair warning that this was a pain in the ass, but totally worth it in the end.

We hit it off again right away in the Taxi — cuddling and light kissing and soon full on DFK. This girl had no western inhibitions. And really she was like a schoolgirl seeing London. (She is 24) Just giddy with excitement.

I won't go into all the details as it would be too long. The highlight really is going clubbing with her. We went to dance clubs 4 nights. The Zoo was our favorite. They recognized us on Wed from our Tues night visit and waved us straight through the VIP rope. On Thursday they waved us through and comped our entry. 😀 When I tell you this girl owns the club I am not lying. I've never seen anything like it. Dances like a beast and gets everyone going. We were dancing pulling in others; she even had me comfortable dancing with guys — girl girl guy gay girl guy altogether it was just one crazy party of people and she was the spotlight girl.

Sunday I have to admit I was jealous when she'the bring a guy into our one on one, but then she'the do some girl on girl or a group. It is just HER as a being. You embrace it or you walk away. I embraced it. I distinctly remember thinking around 2 AM one night at Zoo "this is the most fun I have ever had in my life" and I have to admit I love having everyone want my girl and I know she is going home with me. Oh and on slow songs we'the just move our hips and DFK — no doubt whose girl she was!

In the bedroom she gives some of the best head this planet has ever seen with sensuous ball sucking and great eye contact. Her lips are the prettiest I've ever seen, so watching is a thing of wonder. Her cowgirl is top notch and she has a banging body which is great to watch grinding.

We had a couple little rough spots but we moved past them. It was just BF / GF all the way. A great week.

Thanks for your thoughts on US. I need to think about this as she wants to do it again and so do I.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2229139]I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.[/QUOTE]Ok. The amazing Thifany visit is in the books and it was a blast. I confess however it was seriously stressful at points. Particularly at arrival but also trying to work around work.

It did not start well when I received a call from her balling her eyes out because she missed her flight. She was truly upset. I had my scam alert radar up but was overruled by both compassion for her and my desire to really do this thing I planned. So I made the split second decision to book her another flight. The other big complication was neither of us had data plans for UK. So our Whatapp communication goes completely dark when either one lacks WiFi. This happened at final arrival where I waited for 45 minutes desperately trying to get WiFi and was literally leaving when she found me! Ok so that is the fair warning that this was a pain in the ass, but totally worth it in the end.

We hit it off again right away in the Taxi — cuddling and light kissing and soon full on DFK. This girl had no western inhibitions. And really she was like a schoolgirl seeing London. (She is 24) Just giddy with excitement.

I won't go into all the details as it would be too long. The highlight really is going clubbing with her. We went to dance clubs 4 nights. The Zoo was our favorite. They recognized us on Wed from our Tues night visit and waved us straight through the VIP rope. On Thursday they waved us through and comped our entry. 😀 When I tell you this girl owns the club I am not lying. I've never seen anything like it. Dances like a beast and gets everyone going. We were dancing pulling in others; she even had me comfortable dancing with guys — girl girl guy gay girl guy altogether it was just one crazy party of people and she was the spotlight girl.

Sunday I have to admit I was jealous when she'the bring a guy into our one on one, but then she'the do some girl on girl or a group. It is just HER as a being. You embrace it or you walk away. I embraced it. I distinctly remember thinking around 2 AM one night at Zoo "this is the most fun I have ever had in my life" and I have to admit I love having everyone want my girl and I know she is going home with me. Oh and on slow songs we'the just move our hips and DFK — no doubt whose girl she was!

In the bedroom she gives some of the best head this planet has ever seen with sensuous ball sucking and great eye contact. Her lips are the prettiest I've ever seen, so watching is a thing of wonder. Her cowgirl is top notch and she has a banging body which is great to watch grinding.

We had a couple little rough spots but we moved past them. It was just BF / GF all the way. A great week.

Thanks for your thoughts on US. I need to think about this as she wants to do it again and so do I.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2230049]Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.[/QUOTE]It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs. Bahamas was dead last time I went. Zeus Bar was okay. Akaza was closed. My information is old. I have not been there in 4 years.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2230333]It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs. Bahamas was dead last time I went. Zeus Bar was okay. Akaza was closed. My information is old. I have not been there in 4 years.[/QUOTE]My impression of Moema was that at night where you wanted to go in Moema -restaurants, bars- were spread out. There are far less hotels than Jardins, but with AirBnB that's a minor issue.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2230333]It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs.[/QUOTE]A "day trip" LOL! You make it sound like it would be several hours away. I do agree that Moema is essentially for daytime action though when it comes to mongering. All the good nightclubs are somewhere else in the city. Except for the restaurants, I found Moema to be pretty dead and boring at night. One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2230356] One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL![/QUOTE]So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.