Santo Domingo

We all bring something to the table. Like fran says unless you have movie star looks the girls are looking for some kind of security. Providing them some financial support does not make them putas. In the Dr women look for men who can support them when they grow up. After they have two kids from the hansom local guys the light goes off. A old are guys who is not abusive and has money too is a huge win. Have no problem rewarding some one who is making me happy.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1399254]It depends on a whole load of factors, including how you met her, what your future intentions are, her level of affluence and wealth relative to yours, age difference, what you want out of it, what she wants out of it, and so on.

Dominican women, especially the very attractive ones, go on various Web sites to look for men not because they are horny and can't get laid locally, but because they are looking for some kind of economic advancement, either a relationship leading to financial support, or maybe marriage or a visa, or else cash on the bed head.

Maybe if you meet them they will be so overwhelmed with your rock star charisma that they will be willing to have one-off sex gratis without a condom just for the fun of it. That is fine, but in most cases guys will be realistic about their own charms and prefer to give the girl some cash if they want to signal that there is no future obligation planned on either side. That way if she calls you and you tell her that you can't see her again, then at least she knows she got something out of the deal and that she wasn't out of pocket on travel expenses, beauty salon, etc. For nothing.

Obviously there will be cases when it would be inappropriate to offer money. For example I knew a guy who moved to live in the DR and after he opened a bank account the attractive female bank manager called to offer to show him around town. Had this become a sexual relationship, it would not have been appropriate to offer her cash for sex after the fact.[/QUOTE]

I could be wrong, but I think Mr. Enternational is asking why pay her if she is not asking for money. At least that is the way I interpreted the question.

I guess I am a lost cause then. Cases in point. I know this girl from the hooker disco. She always "needs" $67. When I first met her I gave her my number and told her to give me a call when she "needs" $33 - because that is my going rate for all night. She calls me every blue moon. She actually called this morning and she is sleeping next to me now (after midnight here). She tried every excuse to get more money from me. What about taxi? I told her I have a motorbike, I will take her back and forth. She said why you always give me the same? This is 2013. I said you are right. Now this year I can give you less because I have known you a long time. I knew her to be a hooker from the start. No problem giving her the agreed upon $33 tomorrow morning or afternoon.

Next case: Two years ago I met a chick on Tagged. We met up at Subway close to my place. I never heard from her after that day. Yesterday I go to the place where I have breakfast everyday and lo and behold she is there. I asked her why she forgot about me. I had to refresh her memory of who I was. It took a minute, but she finally remembered me. I told her to call me later. I put my number in her phone. When she went to save it she saw that it was already there from 2 years ago. She texted me in the afternoon and came over. She saw I was sleepy and she was sleepy because she studies and works. So we got in the bed fully clothed and took a nap together. I woke up first and started fucking with her. Before I knew it we were fucking like jackrabbits. About 830pm we went to get something to eat and came back to my place then she got on her motorbike and went home. Her I did not give money to. Why would I? We texted each other today while she was at work and everything is cool.

As Troubleman said, I just don't get why I would give somebody money who is not a known hooker immediately after we have had sex. I don't do it in the USA and I can't imagine myself doing it abroad. Are guys doing this same thing with women who they fuck back home because they "made them happy" or whatever other odd reason?

FYI: The minimum wage here in Thailand was raised to $10/day on January 1, 2013.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1399281]I guess I am a lost cause then. Cases in point. I know this girl from the hooker disco. She always "needs" $67. When I first met her I gave her my number and told her to give me a call when she "needs" $33. Because that is my going rate for all night. She calls me every blue moon. She actually called this morning and she is sleeping next to me now (after midnight here). She tried every excuse to get more money from me. What about taxi? I told her I have a motorbike, I will take her back and forth. She said why you always give me the same? This is 2013. I said you are right. Now this year I can give you less because I have known you a long time. I knew her to be a hooker from the start. No problem giving her the agreed upon $33 tomorrow morning or afternoon.

Next case: Two years ago I met a chick on Tagged. We met up at Subway close to my place. I never heard from her after that day. Yesterday I go to the place where I have breakfast everyday and lo and behold she is there. I asked her why she forgot about me. I had to refresh her memory of who I was. It took a minute, but she finally remembered me. I told her to call me later. I put my number in her phone. When she went to save it she saw that it was already there from 2 years ago. She texted me in the afternoon and came over. She saw I was sleepy and she was sleepy because she studies and works. So we got in the bed fully clothed and took a nap together. I woke up first and started fucking with her. Before I knew it we were fucking like jackrabbits. About 830pm we went to get something to eat and came back to my place then she got on her motorbike and went home. Her I did not give money to. Why would I? We texted each other today while she was at work and everything is cool.

As Troubleman said, I just don't get why I would give somebody money who is not a known hooker immediately after we have had sex. I don't do it in the USA and I can't imagine myself doing it abroad. Are guys doing this same thing with women who they fuck back home because they "made them happy" or whatever other odd reason?

FYI: The minimum wage here in Thailand was raised to $10 / day on January 1, 2013.[/QUOTE]I've got a pretty good stroke, my ex wife liked it, various GF's have said it, and when I'm done with them and move onto someone else they always come back looking for more. I joke around with pros, when they climax, I asked them to get paid.

Don't pay unlessed agreed upon upfront. If the girls states she is a good girl not a pro, then to me normal date rules apply, treat them nice, be a gentleman, pay for dinner and entertaintment while with her. Take them home or whatever makes her feel most comfortable, but do not outright pay for sexual services. This sets up a precendent that, usually, the only way out is to break up with them.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1399281]I guess I am a lost cause then. Cases in point. I know this girl from the hooker disco. She always "needs" $67. When I first met her I gave her my number and told her to give me a call when she "needs" $33. Because that is my going rate for all night. She calls me every blue moon. She actually called this morning and she is sleeping next to me now (after midnight here). She tried every excuse to get more money from me. What about taxi? I told her I have a motorbike, I will take her back and forth. She said why you always give me the same? This is 2013. I said you are right. Now this year I can give you less because I have known you a long time. I knew her to be a hooker from the start. No problem giving her the agreed upon $33 tomorrow morning or afternoon.

Next case: Two years ago I met a chick on Tagged. We met up at Subway close to my place. I never heard from her after that day. Yesterday I go to the place where I have breakfast everyday and lo and behold she is there. I asked her why she forgot about me. I had to refresh her memory of who I was. It took a minute, but she finally remembered me. I told her to call me later. I put my number in her phone. When she went to save it she saw that it was already there from 2 years ago. She texted me in the afternoon and came over. She saw I was sleepy and she was sleepy because she studies and works. So we got in the bed fully clothed and took a nap together. I woke up first and started fucking with her. Before I knew it we were fucking like jackrabbits. About 830pm we went to get something to eat and came back to my place then she got on her motorbike and went home. Her I did not give money to. Why would I? We texted each other today while she was at work and everything is cool.

As Troubleman said, I just don't get why I would give somebody money who is not a known hooker immediately after we have had sex. I don't do it in the USA and I can't imagine myself doing it abroad. Are guys doing this same thing with women who they fuck back home because they "made them happy" or whatever other odd reason?

FYI: The minimum wage here in Thailand was raised to $10 / day on January 1, 2013.[/QUOTE]Did you give them a bed to sleep in?

I give money to women who don't ask or give gifts to people who don't ask.

I remember a DR chica, nice body, she usually didn't wear a bra, nice round firm titties like oranges, nice booty. She was fun, I gave her money even though she didn't ask. Six months after seeing her and having sex with her, I visited the DR again, I called her up, she hopped on a bus that day and visited closer to where I was staying, again, no money was discussed (I gave her money), after sex she went home and I didn't see her again that trip. Six months later, I visited DR again, called her and she stopped what she was doing to come and have sex and she got money (she didn't ask for money, she asked for a laptop after the third or fourth visit and after that I didn't see her again). I look at her facebook page, she is medical doctor now with an office.

Money for sex was not discussed with her, she got something of value from me (money) and because of that she was on call whenever I arrived into the DR. If I had been a cheap bastard with her, she probably would have blown me off after the first time I was with her. Are all experiences created equal? Do some women rock my world more than others? I will give more and/or pay more for a woman who rocks my world, whether she asks for something or not.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1399281]I guess I am a lost cause then. Cases in point. I know this girl from the hooker disco. She always "needs" $67. When I first met her I gave her my number and told her to give me a call when she "needs" $33. Because that is my going rate for all night.

As Troubleman said, I just don't get why I would give somebody money who is not a known hooker immediately after we have had sex. I don't do it in the USA and I can't imagine myself doing it abroad. Are guys doing this same thing with women who they fuck back home because they "made them happy" or whatever other odd reason?

FYI: The minimum wage here in Thailand was raised to $10 / day on January 1, 2013.[/QUOTE]For someone who can get sex without paying for it, you seem to spend an awful lot of time visiting and writing about prostitution destinations such as Sosua and Thailand. I think you are just ambivalent about paying for sex and you don't quite want to admit that you are paying one way or another.

I remember you writing a long time ago about how you picked up a girl in a bar in Sosua and didn't want to pay her when she asked for money, because you did not know she was a prostitute. Perhaps you are a bit in denial and find it hard to recognize these things.

No of course one would not pay a woman in the US who was a social equal and not a prostitute, but then there are not many if any bars in the US where you would meet freelance prostitutes, as there are in other countries, and in the US it is not the norm for single women to be financially dependent on contributions from male friends. The US also has welfare, unemployment, food stamps, Medicare, etc. Which the DR does not.

[QUOTE=Bruce52; 1399117]I may walk to GBP on 27 de Febrero today. I hope it's open on Sunday!

I did see streetwalkers on the Malecon way west, but they were extremely low quality. Too low even for me, and I have almost no standards at all!

Bruce[/QUOTE]GBP last time I was there was closed on Sunday.

Club MC and Pink Pony have rooms. Cats has a small room. Showgirls I read has a room upstairs. You might be able to take the Metro closer to Showgirls (Metro runs on Avenida Maximo Gomez). Showgirls if my memory serves correctly may be just east of Maximo Gomez, almost under an express part of Avenida Kennedy. Santo Domingo coffee building is further north on maximo gomez. If you stay on the Metro, the last stop is in villa mella.

Also SWs on Avenida Espana at night and sometimes in the daytime. There used to be some attractive SWs on Avenida Sarasota near the embajador hotel and hotel bq.

From listindiario today, if you have a DR cell you can call (or call from the hotel):

"Abrio sus puertas el centro de masajes, con lounge bar, tantra-apts, para brindarles los servicios mas completos y las chicas mas sexy en el lugar super acogedor, discreto y elegante 829-433-0095".

"Atencion caballeros, Llego la hora de pasar un momento super agradable, donde el estres y cansancio desaparecen. 809-533-9464".

"Spa casa de munecas, hermosas chicas. Especiales masajes desde $1,200 y $1,600. Trago bienvenida gratis Cel. 849-881-1277, 829-254-0999".

Te invita a disfrutar de un ambiente totalmente renovado en su personal, ven y conoce una nueva modalidad (Dancing Massaje) Especiales en bebidad nacionales. Aceptamos tarjeta de credito. 594-8920, Ejecutivo cafe bar"

Location is not given in listindiario for these venues. You can call and ask for their locations.

There used to be a casa called ejecutivo on the service road of las americas highway. If you need info about where any venue is located after you call a venue, post here and someone will give directions.

The expensive casas will be open today. Casa Theresa usually has some amazon size attractive women and about three blocks from casa theresa is pink house (both places have rooms on site, pink house should be cheaper than casa theresa). Casa Theresa is on Avenida Ortega y Gassett, Pink House is off Avenida Ortega y Gassett on Avenida Paraguay, I believe. Plaza Salud is in that area (large private medical complex). Olympic Park is also close to there. New on-off ramps at the intersection of 27 de febrero and Ave. Ortega y Gassett.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa;1399371]GBP last time I was there was closed on Sunday.[/QUOTE]And it still is! I found out after walking there. One of these days I'll call first, but I wanted to walk, anyway.

Bruce

Just visiting for a couple days so I thought I would try Slip on me. Great experience. Two girls to choose from when I entered, both were beautiful. I picked Chanel. We went and took a shower together and then on to the massage. I doubt much more than a happy ending is available, no way a condom would stay on with all the gel on your body. She said they didn't allow mutual touching and that would have made it a little better. It is a great experience if you want something a little different. Owner is a really nice guy, I had them call my taxi he didn't feel comfortable with the guy so he drove me back to my hotel. I recommend you give it a try.

[QUOTE=Bruce52; 1399117]I did see streetwalkers on the Malecon way west, but they were extremely low quality. Too low even for me, and I have almost no standards at all!

Bruce[/QUOTE]That brought out a chuckle from me. I like people with self-deprecating humor. Thanks for a nice story as well.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1399344]For someone who can get sex without paying for it, you seem to spend an awful lot of time visiting and writing about prostitution destinations such as Sosua and Thailand. I think you are just ambivalent about paying for sex and you don't quite want to admit that you are paying one way or another.[/QUOTE]It is because I do both, regular women and P4P. But I never confuse the two. It seems that for whatever reason many men on ISG are not able to get women in their home country (e. G. Referring to it as sex prison-can't figure out why because every person who I have met on ISG are pretty normal guys) so when they travel they deem it necessary to hand cash over for pussy regardless. As Cagep said to me normal date rules apply to normal women who I meet. I don't treat a regular woman as though she is P4P by giving her money after we have fucked and I don't treat a P4P as a regular woman by not giving her what she has earned. I'm not ambivalent at all. I just admitted that the girl in my bed now is a hooker (has been here 14 hours) whereas the girl who was here the day before yesterday was not and did not warrant me giving her money. I would not say that you are paying for sex one way or the other no more than I would say that you are paying to live because you buy yourself breakfast every morning. Of course there are sunk costs to many things. But I would consider it absurd to say that because I bought a woman a $6 meal or a $2 ticket to a movie that I paid her for sex.

Non-pro women in the DR have never had a problem returning after I did not give them money. I still get the same "poppy when are you coming back" that everyone who shells out money gets. One chick who I originally met in front of Classico and took to the room said she did not want money when I tried to give it to her the next day. She said it was her first day trying to be a hooker and she felt bad about taking money for sex so she refused. She said she wanted to have a family. Well she finally got pregnant and married some Canadian guy but she continued to live in DR and he continued to live in Canada with infrequent visits to DR. I was still knocking her off at this time. Now her and the guy have divorced and she works as a waitress in Sosua. When I told her after the fact that I was down there last time she wanted to know why I did not call her. So whether I'm giving a regular woman money there or not, in my experience, seems to be irrelevant as to whether they want to see me or not. So that is an extra mile that I don't find it necessary to go.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1399488]It is because I do both, regular women and P4P. But I never confuse the two. It seems that for whatever reason many men on ISG are not able to get women in their home country (e. G. Referring to it as sex prison-can't figure out why because every person who I have met on ISG are pretty normal guys) so when they travel they deem it necessary to hand cash over for pussy regardless. As Cagep said to me normal date rules apply to normal women who I meet. I don't treat a regular woman as though she is P4P by giving her money after we have fucked and I don't treat a P4P as a regular woman by not giving her what she has earned. I'm not ambivalent at all. I just admitted that the girl in my bed now is a hooker (has been here 14 hours) whereas the girl who was here the day before yesterday was not and did not warrant me giving her money. I would not say that you are paying for sex one way or the other no more than I would say that you are paying to live because you buy yourself breakfast every morning. Of course there are sunk costs to many things. But I would consider it absurd to say that because I bought a woman a $6 meal or a $2 ticket to a movie that I paid her for sex.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=Jaosousa;1399307]I give money to women who don't ask or give gifts to people who don't ask.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed this conversation. Thoughts of Frannie, Old Kool and Jaosousa resonate with me. I have only had a few days in Sosua and never discussed money and often paid 1000 pesos for short stints. Outside of Sosua, rarely have I discussed money but have always given some money and / or other things the women prize. I do it to make the first experience pleasant and future ones if any, something to look forward to, both at my and at the other end. I have also had occasions when I met women to eat with an expectation to get lucky later. But nothing happened and yet, I left the gift with her / them. I certainly did not feel like a loser for that. On another occasion a woman came to see me and balked at the idea of penetration, not having apparently ever done it outside of her (then) ex- husband. I told her that it was no problem and we played with each other. Months later, she confessed (I could not make out as she never let out any typical sound) that she had had two orgasms but after she left the hotel that day, she sent me a text: "me sentia muy bien con como me trataste" and. She wants to see me again!

It is inconceivable for me that in an interaction like this, there be not a quid pro quo; even in the "dating" scene back home, a man typically feeds a woman. No matter whether later he gets lucky or not (not to speak of the long term expectations) but then I am not smart, young or good looking to get it free.

I also value the total experience with "another human being" and, for me, even the "Putas" are every bit as human and humane as I or anybody else. Monetizing and calling someone a "*" I find is rather degrading as if a "john" is a superior creature."Strangely", even a "puta" seems to sense it intuitively if the John thinks she is just another object and responds accordingly.

Now some people appreciate money or other gifts like a phone or a branded T shirt. This forthcoming trip, I am taking two books for two women. One is "the Vinci Code" in Spanish for someone I have never seen, the other is a book for a 7th semester medical student who I saw last time. A course work related book in English that I offered to buy for her. This, as Jaosousa points out makes some women willing to drop things to come see you but I must also say, giving, I find is much pleasure as well.

[i]An old man working out in the gym at a machine with his trainer sees a young 20 something. Tight and fit as they come with regular work out and age. He turns to the trainer and asks him,"so what machine shall I use to draw her attention"? The trainer looks at him, looks around and says,"well the machine is not here. It is out in the lobby".

"Which one is that?"

"Well, the ATM machine"! [/i]

[QUOTE=Bruce52; 1399376]And it still is! I found out after walking there. One of these days I'll call first, but I wanted to walk, anyway.

Bruce[/QUOTE]Some photos and a business card. A photo of the building where GBP is located (southside of 27 de febrero, between Lincoln and Tiradentes), GBP opens around 1pm, closes around 11pm, some of the chicas may discreetly give you their cell number. Usually each chica gives a strip show and quickie lap dance in the small bar area (if I have dollar bills I will give them a tip). GBP is not fancy inside (couches for sex), get there early if you like them smelling like daisies, LOL.

Cats is a small bar in Naco neighborhood. Good neighborhood. Cats has a small room, probably opens after 5pm, phone number is on the card, so you might want to call before. Located about a block from Cats is the high end disco Praia and a recommended restaurant, Chef Pepper (which has locations in Bavaro and Santiago), [url]http://www.chefpepper.net/[/url]

Pink Pony is on Ave. Nunez de Caceres about 1/4 of a block south of Ave. Kennedy on the east side of the street, on the second floor, has a small balcony out front on the second floor with tables, chairs and plants. Pink Pony advertisement in listindiario: "Las Mejores Divas de la zona, Santiagueras y más. 5 habs. Confortable, A partir 10:00am. $1,000, $1,500 y $2,000. Av. Núñez de Cáceres #6, 2do nivel, frente Corripio. Tel. 809-476-9761". I asked the big titty chica in the photo to do a strip tease for me inside the bar area, using the stripper pole, she obliged, lap dance, nipple in my mouth, I gave her some pesos. Rooms on site. It is far from gazcue and zona colonial.

Showgirls is on the north side of Avenida Kennedy (on the service road part). The express part of Ave. Kennedy begins to elevate near where showgirls was/is located. I have driven by showgirls various times, but not been inside (the showgirls in Juan Dolio was fun, now closed). ISG member BBL has been inside showgirls and from his post about the place seems he had a good time and the prices were not high. Showgirls might be located just of east of maximo gomez on the north side of Ave. Kennedy.

[QUOTE=Bruce52; 1399376]And it still is! I found out after walking there. One of these days I'll call first, but I wanted to walk, anyway.

Bruce[/QUOTE]If you wanted to you could walk along avenida espana. Walk east on the malecon toward zona colonial. You will see some ships docked to the right and the walls of the zona colonial to your left. You will come upon a small bridge over the river (flotante bridge), floating bridge (pontoon bridge). Make a right onto the bridge, people fish and/or crab from the bridge. On the other side of the bridge make a right and walk up the hill, past a marina (concerts and events sometimes held in that marina), you will pass the new Hostal Marina Real Hotel on your left, prices under $100, chica friendly, nice apartments with kitchens; [url]http://www.hostalmarinareal.com/[/url]

At the top of the hill stay toward your right and that will be avenida espana. Not a lot of traffic on avenida espana after the first intersection and Texaco gas station. You will come upon San Souci ship terminal where some large cargo and cruise ships dock, to your left you will pass two military bases, with uniformed military personal stationed outside. I have seen women sitting alone on avenida espana during the day, maybe they were pros, I don't know. National Aquarium is on avenida espana, as is the water park, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sfyLenKe6s[/url]

La Base Sports Bar is on avenida espana, usually has some sexy waitresses. Sometimes La Base has concerts and parts of avenida espana are closed on the weekend to vehicular traffic; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xANVXee7WeY[/url]

Acuarium Hotel is just off Avenida Espana. From Avenida Espana you will be closer to Faro a Colón which is a quiet place, park like setting, with a building shaped like a cross and an old Pope mobile with bullet proof glass. The Los Tres Ojos park is close to there as well; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTioHzKUhM[/url]

SWs on Avenida Espana at night closer to the on ramp / exit for las americas highway, far from the Jaragua Hotel.