Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2776757]Ok good to know! So please can you tell me hotels name which accept we bring a prostitute without paying extra if I book the room for 2 people?[/QUOTE]I just got back from meddlin stayed in a nice Hotel / airbnb with hottub in Laureles. One apartments. Close to everything walkable. They charge 10 dollars or 50.000 cop to sign girl in and out. I would chose this route as number one there friendly and 2 it's an extra 10 bucks who cares.

You have to check with your card issuer about international fees. There is no reason they should be unexpected if you ask a simple question: "do you assess foreign transaction fees when the card is used in Colombia?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2776758]Depends on your card. I use my Amex Platinum for everything I possibly can except paying hookers, Indriver, or small shit I may buy downtown. Restaurants and the like I always use my card. Never a problem. But like you said you better be sure your card does not charge exchange rate fees first. The only 3 I have that.

Don't are Amex, Discover, and X1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2776287]

Some of these girls are dumb as rocks, and visitors need to stop paying according to US dollar prices.

I agreed to bring a girl back to my hotel for 300 k pesos. We get back to my hotel and I realize I only had 200 k pesos. So, I would pay the rest in US dollars.

Then she says that I have to pay her in only US dollars. So, I'm like whatever, fine, that's like $66 bucks.

She says no. 300 k pesos is $100 US dollars. At this point I'm just thinking to myself how dumb and clueless these pea brains are.

Anyway, I show her that she can exchange for $1 US dollar for 4. 5 k mil. And eventually it makes sense to her.

The calculation came out to $66.70. And I gave her 66 bucks. Then she says she wants $1 more. Who complains about 70 cents, dumb a $$ hookers do evidently.

Love this city and have been coming here frequently for 10 years, but I think this trip was my wake up call to venture out and visit new countries and cities to monger.[/QUOTE]Yes, it probably a good idea to monger in other countries and not look back at Medellin.

I have a week in São Paulo on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ. $$ not a problem.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panamá? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2776631]Probably not. I don't take men to bed. You avoid a lot of problems that way and it cuts way down on the number of men who drug you. Then there's all the unwanted penises as well.[/QUOTE]Did you even watch the video? He has girls who do all that for him jb. Don't get got!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2776795]A brief footnote to this, more common in stores, versus eating establishments is they will ask how many "quotas", meaning how many payments or how many months do you want to pay the amount over. This is the norm for Colombian credit cards, not sure how it works with a foreign credit cards when buying something, but if asked this question, just say "one" meaning your not going to finance the purchase over time.[/QUOTE]I always say 100.

[QUOTE=RealDeal80;2776802]I just got back from meddlin stayed in a nice Hotel / airbnb with hottub in Laureles. One apartments. Close to everything walkable. They charge 10 dollars or 50.000 cop to sign girl in and out. I would chose this route as number one there friendly and 2 it's an extra 10 bucks who cares.[/QUOTE]I stayed in the same building for three weeks in November and never paid to bring guest. Did the policy change?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776845]I have a week in So Paulo on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ. $$ not a problem.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panam? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?[/QUOTE] La Isla & Fase Dos are my Fav's in Medellin but there is no beach (You have to sort thru the 8's to find the 10's I know you already know this. I found twin blondes and 2 more knock outs at La Isla. There is something there for everyone (only 60% silicone) I am just s picky as you are. Sorry for the ?able pics I sent previously. I ran out of time (was there 2 weeks last trip) to reach out to the SA girls. I'm back in March or April. Longer. Enjoy! PM your # . try Panama it's full of Colombians I have already met.

[QUOTE=RealDeal80;2776802]I just got back from meddlin stayed in a nice Hotel / airbnb with hottub in Laureles. One apartments. Close to everything walkable. They charge 10 dollars or 50.000 cop to sign girl in and out. I would chose this route as number one there friendly and 2 it's an extra 10 bucks who cares.[/QUOTE]Thanks but I'm not interested in that! I don't want apart hotel!

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2776605]It can be either or. Still the question remains a mystery. Who is this mysterious Maria? Maria who? Where are the links? Why does nobody know if she's number 1?[/QUOTE]It used to be Maria Camila but she may be catching up. 😉.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2645035]... I gave her 200 mil pesos. She showered up, go....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2777087]It used to be Maria Camila but she may be catching up..[/QUOTE]I wonder if the experts would be so kind as to tell us what her rating is.

I think it's the new school math they are teaching now. I have to go over some basic math calculations with new guys I train and them trying to figure basic math problems is scary. Believe me I'm no math wizard by any means but I ask them stuff like that rope had a rating or 8000 lbs and when we tie a knot in it, then is loses its strength by 30 percent what is the rope rated at now? They get their phones out trying to figure it out. I know many countries strive in education especially in Asia, some of there other countries not so much so. In the states we have some dummies also! LOL.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2776287]No room charge. You just pay the cashier at the bar 400 k (I think) and the cashier gives the girl a rubber and you both go upstairs.

I was at la isla a couple times in December, and the quality of girls was not as good as it was compared to previous visits. This could be for any number of reason; I. E. It was around the holidays and maybe the hotter girls were not working; or maybe the hotter girls now make better money elsewhere (camgirls, onlyfans, etc.).

I remember $1. 2 mil pesos was the price to take a girl home, I didn't want her, I just was curious was the current pricing was.

I used to enjoy this club because it was easy to find some fresh meat. However, last month, the girls I saw there were too seasoned and used up in my personal opinion. Also, about half the girls working there had fake butts. Some gentlemen here may like that type, but I'm not into fake butts, especially when it's a botch job (such as when it doesn't even look remotely natural or realistic).

Overall, Medellin was fun as always. I picked up street walkers that peaked my interest during my trip (one 18 why / o and two 22 why / o's)..[/QUOTE]

Hey it's been a while since I have posted but ran into this girl here in Laureles Medellin that is fantastic.

So I was looking for a girl that would give a great erotic massage and then some playful fun afterwards. I found Lexi's ad on Milerotico and decided to set up a session with her. She is a independent and has a place that is a few blocks from UniCentro Mall. Her pictures are accurate. I chose to go with her 90 minute massage and it was $210,000 cop at this time (prices may change). She does offer a 1 hour session for around $150,000. I have seen her 3 times now on this trip and each time she has been prompt. She does a really sexy Nuru massage with a few of her extra tricks that she adds that will drive you crazy. Her menu is quite extensive and she does not up charge. The price is all inclusive. FS, BBBJ, A play.

Make sure you are clean down there and I mean everything.

I am not going to get into details out of respect to Lexi but I recommend her 1000 percent!

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2777108]Hey it's been a while since I have posted but ran into this girl here in Laureles Medellin that is fantastic.

So I was looking for a girl that would give a great erotic massage and then some playful fun afterwards. I found Lexi's ad on Milerotico and decided to set up a session with her. She is a independent and has a place that is a few blocks from UniCentro Mall. Her pictures are accurate. I chose to go with her 90 minute massage and it was $210,000 cop at this time (prices may change). She does offer a 1 hour session for around $150,000. I have seen her 3 times now on this trip and each time she has been prompt. She does a really sexy Nuru massage with a few of her extra tricks that she adds that will drive you crazy. Her menu is quite extensive and she does not up charge. The price is all inclusive. FS, BBBJ, A play.

Make sure you are clean down there and I mean everything.

I am not going to get into details out of respect to Lexi but I recommend her 1000 percent![/QUOTE]Thanks Mongo, I will def look her up next month. By clean do you mean shaven or simply hygienically clean?

[QUOTE=YngMong;2777143]Thanks Mongo, I will def look her up next month. By clean do you mean shaven or simply hygienically clean?[/QUOTE]Shaven, clean and tasty. She will blow your mind.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2776903]Did you even watch the video? He has girls who do all that for him jb. Don't get got![/QUOTE]Of course I didn't watch the video. YouTube is an entertainment platform. What that means is, except for some community guidelines, anyone can put anything on YouTube. As a source of information it's less than useless. Here's an example from the last time I watched a "must see" video on YouTube:

The guy, who claims to be a Medellin expert, was warning about getting drugged in Medellin. Nothing wrong with warning people, provided you're giving useful information. The "expert" claimed women were putting drugs on doorknobs to catch unsuspecting men. Video over.

I already know that gangs are using girls to drug and rob tourists. I've known it for 5 years. I know how they find victims and how they get the victims to ingest the drugs (and it has nothing to do with doorknobs). I know the behavior patterns to avoid along with the tricks and traps.

More importantly, after nearly 6 years of Medellin, I have a huge database of vetted p4 p girls along with many regular girls. I don't have any need to fish in shark infested waters.

Perhaps the most important factor in keeping safe, I've learned to pay attention to the people who have spent years in Medellin when they warn me about something.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2777108]Hey it's been a while since I have posted but ran into this girl here in Laureles Medellin that is fantastic.

So I was looking for a girl that would give a great erotic massage and then some playful fun afterwards. I found Lexi's ad on Milerotico and decided to set up a session with her. She is a independent and has a place that is a few blocks from UniCentro Mall. Her pictures are accurate. I chose to go with her 90 minute massage and it was $210,000 cop at this time (prices may change). She does offer a 1 hour session for around $150,000. I have seen her 3 times now on this trip and each time she has been prompt. She does a really sexy Nuru massage with a few of her extra tricks that she adds that will drive you crazy. Her menu is quite extensive and she does not up charge. The price is all inclusive. FS, BBBJ, A play.

Make sure you are clean down there and I mean everything.

I am not going to get into details out of respect to Lexi but I recommend her 1000 percent![/QUOTE]Great thanks for the info, do you have more recommendation I will be there in the end of this month and looking for recommendations.

Winner winner chicken dinner! Thanks for the review. Not many can do an actual massage or even a good erotic massage. Nuru even better.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2777108]Hey it's been a while since I have posted but ran into this girl here in Laureles Medellin that is fantastic.

So I was looking for a girl that would give a great erotic massage and then some playful fun afterwards. I found Lexi's ad on Milerotico and decided to set up a session with her. She is a independent and has a place that is a few blocks from UniCentro Mall. Her pictures are accurate. I chose to go with her 90 minute massage and it was $210,000 cop at this time (prices may change). She does offer a 1 hour session for around $150,000. I have seen her 3 times now on this trip and each time she has been prompt. She does a really sexy Nuru massage with a few of her extra tricks that she adds that will drive you crazy. Her menu is quite extensive and she does not up charge. The price is all inclusive. FS, BBBJ, A play.

Make sure you are clean down there and I mean everything.

I am not going to get into details out of respect to Lexi but I recommend her 1000 percent![/QUOTE]

I think you should consider the distances and travel time if you only have a weekend to spare. You might be best off doing Brazil to avoid being on an airplane for too many hours.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776845]I have a week in So Paulo on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ. $$ not a problem.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panam? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2777039]Thanks but I'm not interested in that! I don't want apart hotel![/QUOTE]Yes! Fuck apart hotels! I been having a lot of luck with newer luxary buildings finally completed near el tesoro. I think I just prefer the quitness at night and the view.

Yes I know if you are in Laurles or centor you get closer to the action but for now this just seems to work better for me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777103]I wonder if the experts would be so kind as to tell us what her rating is.[/QUOTE]Very Nice! That's a solid 7. 5

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2777203]Yes! Fuck apart hotels! I been having a lot of luck with newer luxary buildings finally completed near el tesoro. I think I just prefer the quitness at night and the view.

Yes I know if you are in Laurles or centor you get closer to the action but for now this just seems to work better for me.[/QUOTE]OK I travel around the US and stay in crappy hotels all year cause I save money. I am used to crappy places but I do not understand why a blanket statement on apart hotels? Why. It was my first time in Medellin.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2776929]I stayed in the same building for three weeks in November and never paid to bring guest. Did the policy change?[/QUOTE]Did they have 24 HR people at the desk? If not I'm sure they couldn't regulate it. Other than that I don't know. When I booked it they said there was no reception but when I was coming late because of flight issues they said we now have 24 HR receptionist.

[QUOTE=Bill;2776821]Yes, it probably a good idea to monger in other countries and not look back at Medellin.[/QUOTE]More Chicas for us. I have never run into that situation.

[QUOTE=Ullo2000;2777185]Great thanks for the info, do you have more recommendation I will be there in the end of this month and looking for recommendations.[/QUOTE]I do have quite a few tried and true Chicas. Message me for some numbers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2777148]Of course I didn't watch the video. YouTube is an entertainment platform. What that means is, except for some community guidelines, anyone can put anything on YouTube. As a source of information it's less than useless. Here's an example from the last time I watched a "must see" video on YouTube:

The guy, who claims to be a Medellin expert, was warning about getting drugged in Medellin. Nothing wrong with warning people, provided you're giving useful information. The "expert" claimed women were putting drugs on doorknobs to catch unsuspecting men. Video over.

I already know that gangs are using girls to drug and rob tourists. I've known it for 5 years. I know how they find victims and how they get the victims to ingest the drugs (and it has nothing to do with doorknobs). I know the behavior patterns to avoid along with the tricks and traps.

More importantly, after nearly 6 years of Medellin, I have a huge database of vetted p4 p girls along with many regular girls. I don't have any need to fish in shark infested waters.[/QUOTE]No trust me jb, you need to watch it. It is a Must Watch! You will learn something new.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2776929]I stayed in the same building for three weeks in November and never paid to bring guest. Did the policy change?[/QUOTE]Same I stayed there 3 nights brought in 5 girls never paid a fee. That was last week.

Has anyone else had issues reviewing girls on Catador Colombia? I posted a review yesterday and everyone started saying fake review, I was an autoresponder from China, I was the girl's boyfriend etc. Then I go to log in this morning and I was blocked from the site.

This site appeared to be legit but now I'm wondering if it's only for the girls that pay them money. Any better options that anyone knows of?

It is a Colombian forum. Posts follow a prescribed format and emphasize objective information vs. Subjective musing of the sort that predominates here. What did you write to get blocked?

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2777430]Has anyone else had issues reviewing girls on Catador Colombia? I posted a review yesterday and everyone started saying fake review, I was an autoresponder from China, I was the girl's boyfriend etc. Then I go to log in this morning and I was blocked from the site.

This site appeared to be legit but now I'm wondering if it's only for the girls that pay them money. Any better options that anyone knows of?[/QUOTE]

I still find the game of 20 questions every time I use a credit card (at least 99% of all my purchases that aren't girls) very tedious. "Debit, credit, or savings. How many quotas. Do you want to include service. Do you want a copy of the receipt. (and in supermarkets) do you collect points. Do you have movil Exito. Would you like to donate to charity?" Fuck me, it never seems to end. LOL!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2776795]A brief footnote to this, more common in stores, versus eating establishments is they will ask how many "quotas", meaning how many payments or how many months do you want to pay the amount over. This is the norm for Colombian credit cards, not sure how it works with a foreign credit cards when buying something, but if asked this question, just say "one" meaning your not going to finance the purchase over time.[/QUOTE]

I usually stay away from the larger apartment buildings with the Porteros. I have a nice one here in Laureles with very few neighbors. I still like to keep a low profile though as not to tarnish the Gringo image too much. There is just a steel locked gate separating me from my front door.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2776929]I stayed in the same building for three weeks in November and never paid to bring guest. Did the policy change?[/QUOTE]

So. Medellin.

I had my first encounter yesterday with Mile, after being pretty damn active on Tinder, strong from my past experiences in Brazil (See my overall report in the Sao Paulo thread). Well, it's a different beast altogether here. Way, way more pros, and that's ok, but I just feel like it's a lot more transactional here.

Anyway, I have a few potentials going on, but my first encounter cooled me down a bit.

I agreed for a 2 hrs encounter with Mile yesterday. We met at hotel Mocca Suite in Laureles. I just felt like I was bleeding cash one minute after the other.

- 250 k for 2 hours negotiated with the girl, I asked about plenty of services, that got confirmed, but I forgot to ask some very basic, I-took-for-granted things. Namely french kiss (or any kiss at all, for that matter) and multiple shots. Aaand, it was a mistake.

- room with a shower was 57 k, but I got "upgraded" to a jaccuzi room for 67 k that I didn't ask for.

- I got charged 5 k eff'in COP for using the soap bottle. Facepalm.

- Mile asked for money beforehand. I said nope. She said nope. We agreed on half before and half after.

- The girl asked for an extra 100 k for a second shot. At that stage I was like no way.

It was mechanical and cold. At least, the girl was way curvier than on the photos but in a good way, she was pretty firm (and not siliconed). Her face was worse though. Same person, but photos are old and / or skin got smoothed. I'll still remember her BJ technique and being inside her while holding on to these hips was actually very nice.

But overall, it's a dud. I've had worse, but I just didn't like the distance she put and the permanent ask for cash for more things.

Verdict: will not meet again, and will ask for kissing and multiple shots beforehand as part of my negotiation from now on!

[QUOTE=RealDeal80;2777224]OK I travel around the US and stay in crappy hotels all year cause I save money. I am used to crappy places but I do not understand why a blanket statement on apart hotels? Why. It was my first time in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Its because you don't have the same freedom as having an aparmtent and you have to deal with like housekeepers still. It is sort of a pump fake. You think you are getting this nice apartment but tis a hotel and feels restrcied, mostly with guest policy.

The spot I found now is AMAZING its an apartment, super nice, I had like 4 girls come over, security hasn't said a god damn thing to me and I have a beautfiul view of the city and everything works nice.

I rate her 7. She just posted on FB calling those who wants to pay her less than 500 mil CHEAP.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777103]I wonder if the experts would be so kind as to tell us what her rating is.[/QUOTE]

So, in 2 Facebook groups I saw chatter that claims 9 men at the Mansion were scoped and the whole place was robbed, including furniture and all the stuff from 9 gringos. And its a big stink show there now.

Does anyone have any real information? This seems hard to believe in one way, and inevitable in another (What a world that this is even remotely plausible) Anyway I am NOT making any claims to the veracity of this rumor--just noting that I saw 2 different discussions about it on Facebook. That is all I know.

If its total nonsense and BS--great. I'm just asking.

If there is any truth to this story--well, the desire for details is obvious.

Is scopolamine an issue in Brazil? Because Colombia at the moment-sems like its had better days-though, I have never had any issues in 18 trips to Medellin and 2 to the north coast over the last 9-10 years and I love it there.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2777438]I still find the game of 20 questions every time I use a credit card (at least 99% of all my purchases that aren't girls) very tedious. "Debit, credit, or savings. How many quotas. Do you want to include service. Do you want a copy of the receipt. (and in supermarkets) do you collect points. Do you have movil Exito. Would you like to donate to charity?" Fuck me, it never seems to end. LOL![/QUOTE]You left out "quieres bolsa?

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777525]So, in 2 Facebook groups I saw chatter that claims 9 men at the Mansion were scoped and the whole place was robbed, including furniture and all the stuff from 9 gringos. And its a big stink show there now.

Does anyone have any real information? This seems hard to believe in one way, and inevitable in another (What a world that this is even remotely plausible) Anyway I am NOT making any claims to the veracity of this rumor--just noting that I saw 2 different discussions about it on Facebook. That is all I know.

If its total nonsense and BS--great. I'm just asking.

If there is any truth to this story--well, the desire for details is obvious.

Is scopolamine an issue in Brazil? Because Colombia at the moment-sems like its had better days-though, I have never had any issues in 18 trips to Medellin and 2 to the north coast over the last 9-10 years and I love it there.[/QUOTE]Shit I want to hear more about the Mansion getting robbed, that's wild.

[QUOTE=NorthernLight;2777485]I rate her 7. She just posted on FB calling those who wants to pay her less than 500 mil CHEAP.[/QUOTE]Sounds like my kind of gal. What's her fb name? Link? I can't find her.

Sounds like the type of Chica I like to stay away from although I open myself up to these thing when I stray away from my regulars. First big red flag for me is when they insist on being paid up front, this rarely goes well for me. I can't stand it when they nickel and dime you. I would quite with the expensive love hotels to help keep your costs down, this is where a Chica Friendly apartment comes in handy or the girl can host you at her place of business. I will take a solid 5 with 10 performance and attitude over a 9 with a 3 or 4 performance and attitude any day. Not everyone thinks this way but it's the way I like to roll. Don't give up, there are many fine women here that will give you incredible GFE experience, it just takes some time down here to get things figured out.

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777461]So. Medellin.

I had my first encounter yesterday with Mile, after being pretty damn active on Tinder, strong from my past experiences in Brazil (See my overall report in the Sao Paulo thread). Well, it's a different beast altogether here. Way, way more pros, and that's ok, but I just feel like it's a lot more transactional here.

Anyway, I have a few potentials going on, but my first encounter cooled me down a bit.

I agreed for a 2 hrs encounter with Mile yesterday. We met at hotel Mocca Suite in Laureles. I just felt like I was bleeding cash one minute after the other.

- 250 k for 2 hours negotiated with the girl, I asked about plenty of services, that got confirmed, but I forgot to ask some very basic, I-took-for-granted things. Namely french kiss (or any kiss at all, for that matter) and multiple shots. Aaand, it was a mistake.

- room with a shower was 57 k, but I got "upgraded" to a jaccuzi room for 67 k that I didn't ask for.

- I got charged 5 k eff'in COP for using the soap bottle. Facepalm.

- Mile asked for money beforehand. I said nope. She said nope. We agreed on half before and half after.[/QUOTE]

I just wrote a review on a girl that I have been seeing and giving basic stuff about her erotic nuru massage and that I highly recommended it. I really didn't get much into the juicy details out of respect to her and said that if anyone wanted those they could message me. They have a English only section and a Spanish section so I posted her review in both languages. I guess they thought I was spamming fake reviews. Well it was like I kicked a freaking Hornets nest.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2777431]It is a Colombian forum. Posts follow a prescribed format and emphasize objective information vs. Subjective musing of the sort that predominates here. What did you write to get blocked?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2777463]Its because you don't have the same freedom as having an aparmtent and you have to deal with like housekeepers still. It is sort of a pump fake. You think you are getting this nice apartment but tis a hotel and feels restrcied, mostly with guest policy.

The spot I found now is AMAZING its an apartment, super nice, I had like 4 girls come over, security hasn't said a god damn thing to me and I have a beautfiul view of the city and everything works nice.[/QUOTE]Your mailbox is full.

El Tesoro is a nice area. And I like the mall. You can get a good deal on a nice apartment. But for those who don't know the area, two things to consider:

1) Not the most convenient place for chicas to travel. It will take them longer to get there and cost you more money, if that's an issue.

2) If you enjoy the pool, most pools in Tesoro tend to be rather cold because the location is higher.

Some will not have an issue with either, some will. Just an FYI.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2777203]Yes! Fuck apart hotels! I been having a lot of luck with newer luxary buildings finally completed near el tesoro. I think I just prefer the quitness at night and the view.

Yes I know if you are in Laurles or centor you get closer to the action but for now this just seems to work better for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2777577]First big red flag for me is when they insist on being paid up front, this rarely goes well for met.[/QUOTE]It's beyond me why any guy would even consider doing this, but obviously some do or the girls wouldn't ask. It's the ultimate wuss move from the client, and gives her the green light to walk all over you.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777268]No trust me jb, you need to watch it. It is a Must Watch! You will learn something new.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? The Maharishi of Medellin (JjBee) cannot possibly learn anything new. That's even though he has only spent a few weeks in the city in the last five years. But reading and typing a lot here in the forum counts for something, right? Wink.

I agree 100% There is a reason why we have our rules. It's when we start thinking with our dicks is when we get into trouble.

[QUOTE=Plighttowalkaulie97;2777636]It's beyond me why any guy would even consider doing this, but obviously some do or the girls wouldn't ask. It's the ultimate wuss move from the client, and gives her the green all over you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777461]So. Medellin.

I had my first encounter yesterday with Mile, after being pretty damn active on Tinder, strong from my past experiences in Brazil (See my overall report in the Sao Paulo thread). Well, it's a different beast altogether here. Way, way more pros, and that's ok, but I just feel like it's a lot more transactional here.

Anyway, I have a few potentials going on, but my first encounter cooled me down a bit.

I agreed for a 2 hrs encounter with Mile yesterday. We met at hotel Mocca Suite in Laureles. I just felt like I was bleeding cash one minute after the other.

- 250 k for 2 hours negotiated with the girl, I asked about plenty of services, that got confirmed, but I forgot to ask some very basic, I-took-for-granted things. Namely french kiss (or any kiss at all, for that matter) and multiple shots. Aaand, it was a mistake.[/QUOTE]Are the boobies natural?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2777758]Are the boobies natural?[/QUOTE]Yes, they are. But they are a bit smaller than they look on the photo. Her ass though, is delicious.

I'm planning a few dates with a couple girls there but I wanted to ask.

Is provenza not recommended to visit solo? Like to just find a place to eat there? I see all this talk in the upcoming trips report that keep mentioning they don't feel comfortable going alone. Is it that intimidating? Is everyone there going in groups or couples what's the deal? I don't get why everyone seems shy to go there alone.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2777525]So, in 2 Facebook groups I saw chatter that claims 9 men at the Mansion were scoped and the whole place was robbed, including furniture and all the stuff from 9 gringos. And its a big stink show there now.

Does anyone have any real information? This seems hard to believe in one way, and inevitable in another (What a world that this is even remotely plausible) Anyway I am NOT making any claims to the veracity of this rumor--just noting that I saw 2 different discussions about it on Facebook. That is all I know.

If its total nonsense and BS--great. I'm just asking.

If there is any truth to this story--well, the desire for details is obvious.

Is scopolamine an issue in Brazil? Because Colombia at the moment-sems like its had better days-though, I have never had any issues in 18 trips to Medellin and 2 to the north coast over the last 9-10 years and I love it there.[/QUOTE]It's a fake story. EOM.

Provenza is completely safe to go to dinner. I's probably the most upscale area in Medellin for that matter and been there many time by myself. This place really rocks on a Friday or Saturday night with lots of night clubs and restaurants. Expect crowds after 10:00 pm and like anywhere else here don't get crazy drunk and pick up the wrong kind of girl. It's a quick 6 minute walk from Parque Lleras. If you want to impress your date take her to Gato-Resto Bar, it's expensive but a really cool place with excellent food.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778126]I'm planning a few dates with a couple girls there but I wanted to ask.

Is provenza not recommended to visit solo? Like to just find a place to eat there? I see all this talk in the upcoming trips report that keep mentioning they don't feel comfortable going alone. Is it that intimidating? Is everyone there going in groups or couples what's the deal? I don't get why everyone seems shy to go there alone.[/QUOTE]

I was staying at the Mansion and on my second day there I heard about one of the guests getting Scoped. It was this big black guy by the name of Anthony (note the same one that's been posting on here recently). I did speak to him about this so it is verified. I couldn't catch the whole story from Anthony because the music was pretty loud at the time. What I can make out of it was they were out on the town partying like Rock Stars and got scoped by some Chicas. He was probably at their apartment partying hence the 6 guys. He lost cell phone, wallet and a watch. What I do know is that this did not happen at the Mansion. Lets put an end to this rumor and move on to talking about what we are here for the Chicas.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2778138]It's a fake story. EOM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kalysto;2777461]So. Medellin.

I had my first encounter yesterday with Mile, after being pretty damn active on Tinder, strong from my past experiences in Brazil (See my overall report in the Sao Paulo thread). Well, it's a different beast altogether here. Way, way more pros, and that's ok, but I just feel like it's a lot more transactional here.

Anyway, I have a few potentials going on, but my first encounter cooled me down a bit.

I agreed for a 2 hrs encounter with Mile yesterday. We met at hotel Mocca Suite in Laureles. I just felt like I was bleeding cash one minute after the other.

- 250 k for 2 hours negotiated with the girl, I asked about plenty of services, that got confirmed, but I forgot to ask some very basic, I-took-for-granted things. Namely french kiss (or any kiss at all, for that matter) and multiple shots. Aaand, it was a mistake.

- room with a shower was 57 k, but I got "upgraded" to a jaccuzi room for 67 k that I didn't ask for.

- I got charged 5 k eff'in COP for using the soap bottle. Facepalm.

- Mile asked for money beforehand. I said nope. She said nope. We agreed on half before and half after.

- The girl asked for an extra 100 k for a second shot. At that stage I was like no way.

It was mechanical and cold. At least, the girl was way curvier than on the photos but in a good way, she was pretty firm (and not siliconed). Her face was worse though. Same person, but photos are old and / or skin got smoothed. I'll still remember her BJ technique and being inside her while holding on to these hips was actually very nice.

But overall, it's a dud. I've had worse, but I just didn't like the distance she put and the permanent ask for cash for more things.

Verdict: will not meet again, and will ask for kissing and multiple shots beforehand as part of my negotiation from now on![/QUOTE]I need a concrete goal, just like I have had be As and then Colombia and then Medellin, to motivate me to study the lingo; now I mamange latinamerican Spanish well and I know a lot about medellin and Colombia.

What is the correspondent city to Medellin in Brazil?

With beautiful girls, good climate and club life, cultre, sports and very important; The combination of beautiful girls and permissive culture.

Cost of living is an important factor, but if a city or region has the combination, a very rare one, of beauty and permissive, allowance for both her and him to have fun without being stigamtizied, which city or region in Brazil is the best or which places.

Brazil has not so much beauty as have Colombia, only Venezuela can compete but are off.

Brazil is often way to expensive, but it can be affordable if it has some sort of Medellin Magic around.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2778162]I was staying at the Mansion and on my second day there I heard about one of the guests getting Scoped. It was this big black guy by the name of Anthony (note the same one that's been posting on here recently). I did speak to him about this so it is verified. I couldn't catch the whole story from Anthony because the music was pretty loud at the time. What I can make out of it was they were out on the town partying like Rock Stars and got scoped by some Chicas. He was probably at their apartment partying hence the 6 guys. He lost cell phone, wallet and a watch. What I do know is that this did not happen at the Mansion. Lets put an end to this rumor and move on to talking about what we are here for the Chicas.[/QUOTE]However what we who have been around a bit longer can remember is when they were twice invaded with multiple guns. One incident had obvious police complicity. Both were over ten years ago. Many of the same risk factors exist, such as being a known hangout for wealthy gringos, abundant drugs, etc. I can see why younger clueless non Spanish speakers would stay there once but the loyalty eludes me. It's a run down dump room wise.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2778158]Provenza is completely safe to go to dinner. I's probably the most upscale area in Medellin for that matter and been there many time by myself. This place really rocks on a Friday or Saturday night with lots of night clubs and restaurants. Expect crowds after 10:00 pm and like anywhere else here don't get crazy drunk and pick up the wrong kind of girl. It's a quick 6 minute walk from Parque Lleras. If you want to impress your date take her to Gato-Resto Bar, it's expensive but a really cool place with excellent food.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation. I will look it up. Have a few spots I've made reservations for already.

I'm sure it's safe, what I meant is I get the feeling some people feel shy to go alone in that area because they see everyone else with groups or couples. But I did plan on going by myself at least one day to check out the scene and maybe meet someone there.

I've seen several videos of guys getting drugged after meeting women and having their accounts drained. How common is this? Or is it just fearmongering?

[QUOTE=ElAventurero;2778188]I've seen several videos of guys getting drugged after meeting women and having their accounts drained. How common is this? Or is it just fearmongering?[/QUOTE]It's not fearmongering. The videos are attempts to educate naive (unaware) guys that vacationing in Medellin is different than going to SE Asia or Europe. That shit really happens. It's impossible to say "how common" it is because the vast majority of cases we'll never hear about. Only a few brave guys speak up and tell their stories. It's more than "partially true" that gringos in apartments are getting drugged and robbed on a regular basis. The story about a mass drugging at the mansion is false.

[QUOTE=ElAventurero;2778188]I've seen several videos of guys getting drugged after meeting women and having their accounts drained. How common is this? Or is it just fearmongering?[/QUOTE]I was scoped in February on a lunch date. Had one beer and woke up hours later in my hotel room. Everything gone, safe empty, passwords changed, security settings changed, all accounts compromised.

Man, that is so wild to hear. How could it be possible that you made it from lunch to hotel room without "snapping out of it" or realizing what was happening?

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778198]I was scoped in February on a lunch date. Had one beer and woke up hours later in my hotel room. Everything gone, safe empty, passwords changed, security settings changed, all accounts compromised.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2778197]It's not fearmongering. The videos are attempts to educate naive (unaware) guys that vacationing in Medellin is different than going to SE Asia or Europe. That shit really happens. It's impossible to say "how common" it is because the vast majority of cases we'll never hear about. Only a few brave guys speak up and tell their stories. It's more than "partially true" that gringos in apartments are getting drugged and robbed on a regular basis. The story about a mass drugging at the mansion is false.[/QUOTE]I wonder if this keeps happening, will it stop dudes from going out there. I definitely would not go by myself then.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778198]I was scoped in February on a lunch date. Had one beer and woke up hours later in my hotel room. Everything gone, safe empty, passwords changed, security settings changed, all accounts compromised.[/QUOTE]Sorry it happened to you. Makes me reconsider going there.

[QUOTE=ElAventurero;2778211]I wonder if this keeps happening, will it stop dudes from going out there. I definitely would not go by myself then.[/QUOTE]Medellin is pussy heaven so it will not stop guys from going. And it shouldn't stop you either. Even traveling alone. Be aware of the danger and be careful with your drinks. Stay in a hotel or apartment building that requires the chicas to register with their cedulas. You'll be fine and have a blast.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2778225]Medellin is pussy heaven so it will not stop guys from going. And it shouldn't stop you either. Even traveling alone. Be aware of the danger and be careful with your drinks. Stay in a hotel or apartment building that requires the chicas to register with their cedulas. You'll be fine and have a blast.[/QUOTE]Medellin was even more dangerous than today when Pablo Escobar was in charge. Back then it was a much greater pussy heaven than today but no gringos were to be found.

I'm always curious when I hear stories like this as to how it came about? I've been going to Med since 2005 w / no problems and hope to never have this happen.

Did it happen in an establishment? How did you get from where you were drugged to your Hotel? Didn't anyone in your Hotel notice anything suspicious?

From what I normally read your lucky to have only been out for hours. For many its days or more. Sorry for all the questions but most Men would like to know for awareness. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778198]I was scoped in February on a lunch date. Had one beer and woke up hours later in my hotel room. Everything gone, safe empty, passwords changed, security settings changed, all accounts compromised.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;2778203]Man, that is so wild to hear. How could it be possible that you made it from lunch to hotel room without "snapping out of it" or realizing what was happening?[/QUOTE]You don't "snap out" of being drugged with a sedative. If I recall his story correctly, he was cooking lunch in his apartment with a girl when she drugged him.

[QUOTE=ElAventurero;2778211]I wonder if this keeps happening, will it stop dudes from going out there. I definitely would not go by myself then.[/QUOTE]If you've never been, I would wait for things to cool down. There are a lot of positives to Medellin, but I don't think they outweigh the current situation for a first timer. Yes of course you can go and have zero issues, but when even experienced travelers and Medellin veterans are having issues, how do you think you would fare as a newcomer? Risk: reward is off right now. Whatever money you might save, ask yourself how you'd feel if you lost all of your possessions and everything in your bank account? Could you use all that money to go to a less risky place and enjoy without having to worry or be so alert? The answer is probably yes. I personally would not want to vacation with that type of worry, regardless of all the BS you'll hear about how you need to do this, do that, etc. And you'll be fine.

You are right about this Huacho. It wasn't so very long ago. It's remarkable how some apparent customers of the place are triggered into intense denialism by these true reports. I think it makes it easier for the criminals because even after being warned, guys can be taken by surprise.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2778171]However what we who have been around a bit longer can remember is when they were twice invaded with multiple guns. One incident had obvious police complicity. Both were over ten years ago. Many of the same risk factors exist, such as being a known hangout for wealthy gringos, abundant drugs, etc. I can see why younger clueless non Spanish speakers would stay there once but the loyalty eludes me. It's a run down dump room wise.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;2778203]Man, that is so wild to hear. How could it be possible that you made it from lunch to hotel room without "snapping out of it" or realizing what was happening?[/QUOTE]I have a friend that lives there, he was scoped in his own apartment after being with a chica for a couple or three days. He was under the influence of the drug, whatever it was, for 2 or 3 days, and was even out to his favorite bar with the gal, while she was robbing him. He could not remember anything of those days afterwards, but friends of his saw him with the girl, and one friend tried to follow him back to his place because he thought something was wrong. Anyway, the guy lost some stuff, not sure whether she got his passwords or anything from him or not.

Seems like at the right dosage people are still functional but get compliant and the short term memory is basically gone. That's being lucky. At the wrong dosage its potentially lethal.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778198]I was scoped in February on a lunch date. Had one beer and woke up hours later in my hotel room. Everything gone, safe empty, passwords changed, security settings changed, all accounts compromised.[/QUOTE]Was your beer a bottle or was it in a glass / cup? Also did your hotel not check the girls ID?

Do restaurants / bars / clubs ask for ID? If so do they ask for drivers license or passport? I don't like the idea of walking around with a passport.

Going to hit up a few places mentioned in the chat. One bit of info I haven't seen is what is customary when tipping at casas / spas?

Obviously the amount can be merit based but is there a standard guideline? I'll be staying awhile and even plan on relocating to Medellin so I'm ok with being generous to establish better service in the future.

Also if anyone is interested in casa or spa runs hit me up.

Eros, Energy, Oasis, New life are all spots I aim to check out. Maybe la Isla if there is a group going.

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A lot of us veterans love the Mansion too. Great place to meet a lot of women on arrival then relocate to an apartment somewhere else. I have met quite a few of my favorite regulars there and it's a lot safer than picking up tinder, facebook and streetwalkers. What I like about the Mansion is that you get to sit around and get to know the personality of the girl before you are commited to spending any money. I have seen some fine looking women come through there.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2778171]However what we who have been around a bit longer can remember is when they were twice invaded with multiple guns. One incident had obvious police complicity. Both were over ten years ago. Many of the same risk factors exist, such as being a known hangout for wealthy gringos, abundant drugs, etc. I can see why younger clueless non Spanish speakers would stay there once but the loyalty eludes me. It's a run down dump room wise.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2778395]A lot of us veterans love the Mansion too. Great place to meet a lot of women on arrival then relocate to an apartment somewhere else. I have met quite a few of my favorite regulars there and it's a lot safer than picking up tinder, facebook and streetwalkers. What I like about the Mansion is that you get to sit around and get to know the personality of the girl before you are commited to spending any money. I have seen some fine looking women come through there.[/QUOTE]You can do that in any strip club though. Furthermore you can also see her naked and dancing before any commitment, which is the additional advantage.

If I remember correctly this member had other provider difficulties during the pandemic.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778387]Was your beer a bottle or was it in a glass / cup? Also did your hotel not check the girls ID?[/QUOTE]

I'm seeing that it's popular for guys to have girls cook for them or hang out for days on end. Even gringos with no Spanish. Not my thing at all. Although I can certainly understand it for veteran expats or long term travelers. We need some type of app that locks down logins for a set period of time.

On a separate note. I always forget about Mansion.

It seems like a great option. Is there a section with girls and a bar / club atmosphere?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778355]You don't "snap out" of being drugged with a sedative. If I recall his story correctly, he was cooking lunch in his apartment with a girl when she drugged him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2777556]Sounds like my kind of gal. What's her fb name? Link? I can't find her.[/QUOTE]Her FB name is Maria Estefania.

[QUOTE=ContinentalF;2778368]If you've never been, I would wait for things to cool down. There are a lot of positives to Medellin, but I don't think they outweigh the current situation for a first timer. Yes of course you can go and have zero issues, but when even experienced travelers and Medellin veterans are having issues, how do you think you would fare as a newcomer? Risk: reward is off right now. Whatever money you might save, ask yourself how you'd feel if you lost all of your possessions and everything in your bank account? Could you use all that money to go to a less risky place and enjoy without having to worry or be so alert? The answer is probably yes. I personally would not want to vacation with that type of worry, regardless of all the BS you'll hear about how you need to do this, do that, etc. And you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think I'll wait for now. I do speak fluent Spanish which might help, but I'm weary of going so far only to have a bad experience. Thanks for the tip.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2778171]However what we who have been around a bit longer can remember is when they were twice invaded with multiple guns. One incident had obvious police complicity. Both were over ten years ago. Many of the same risk factors exist, such as being a known hangout for wealthy gringos, abundant drugs, etc. I can see why younger clueless non Spanish speakers would stay there once but the loyalty eludes me. It's a run down dump room wise.[/QUOTE]I've stayed there dozens of times over the years and continue to do so. I like speaking to other mongers between chicas and all the great restaurants in the area. Also, have you been there lately? They have 3 rooms completely remodeled in the main hotel. Those rooms have jacuzzi's and are not dumps. I do agree most rooms are old, but they are clean.

[QUOTE=Tonesz;2773101]Wound up deciding to go to Medellin after hearing so many people talking about it and having enjoyed it so I decided to do my research. I have been recently lurking in this forum for not that long trying to get information as well as lots of Youtube videos and wrote down places I should check out as it was recommended. I wound up getting my ticket for one week as a test run.

Preparation-.

A little about me, I'm in my early 30's, Latino and I am semi fluent in Spanish but I do have an accent so you can tell I'm not a local.

A month before my flight I started swiping on Tinder and trying to get a decent list of girls I could possibly meet up there. Of course a lot of people mentioned to not use Tinder, but I made sure I vetted them, spoke to them on video and made at least a small little connection with them. No talk of money, no talk of gifts, just me telling them I wana take them out to dinner and have us explore. This is just my way of how I do things. Might work for others and it might not. Throughout all the girls I spoke to on there I had at least a good 5 girls I established a meet up with when I got there..[/QUOTE]Wasn't a full member before so I didn't get the chance to attach any pictures I believe but this is what Estefania looks like for anyone that was interested. From my personal preference I think I did quite well specially for someone that's not a pro at all (from what I know) LOL.

[QUOTE=CatchMeIfUCan;2778388]Do restaurants / bars / clubs ask for ID? If so do they ask for drivers license or passport? I don't like the idea of walking around with a passport.[/QUOTE]I've never been asked for ID. It's recommended to carry a copy of your passport main page, plus the arrival stamp. Your hotel can provide that for you.

Not much to say, another Tinder date, another average encounter. I'm now swiping much more lefts than rights. If the photos are okay, it just means the girl is not good. Lesson learned.

Following the no kissing and no second shot fiasco of my first encounter, this time around I make sure I ask all I want. Some negociation back and forth, we stop on 250 k for up to 2 hours for as many shots as I can handle.

Meeting organised at Golden Suites, I mention that I will not wait if she's late. Well, she's actually 30 minutes early. A rather good sign.

The girl is. Fine. Definitely not prime quality but descent attitude.

Once in the room ( 50 k for 3 hours, we'll end up using only one), Astri sets up the TV and music. She's no new to the setup.

We get undressed, no bad surprise. A bit of standing cuddles, dance, rub, but damn, she's already had a couple of beers. I won't kiss that.

I wanted to try these sort of curved chairs, I lie on it and she gives me a solid BBBJ. Good technique, she climbs on 69 after a while and she's clean an smells fine there. I don't get too deep though.

She then turns around and climbs on me. Well, those chairs are great for being ridden. It's very enjoyable. I pretty much struggle with that position on a bed, but on that chair the angles are perfect. We go on for a good while, then I blow my first load. She stays there for a bit, it's nice.

We then get on with the cleaning. So it's a thing that these hotels just don't include soap by default. It's a bit annoying, but, well, I just need to get my own next time.

We lie down on the bed then, a little bit of fun conversation with my broken Spanish, but still descent time.

After a while we try for round 2 (which is normally a pretty easy thing for me). No issues there, but I guess I'm not that attracted to her. She's willing and energetic, but I just never get there.

In the end I say that I've had enough, and we end the meeting with another cleaning, a bit of banter, payment, and off she goes. Just above 1 HR all in all.

I'll call this one "step 2" on the Medellin learning curve. Friendly girl and I got off, but I don't think it was worth my money or time. Better than encounter #1 though.

It is with great resentment and sadness that I am about to post what I am going to post but I feel as though the information needs to be out there to help fellow mongers in medellin to avoid what happened to me.

So anyways I just recently got back to medellin after having been gone for 2 months working in the US. I had been messaging this lesbian marimacha chick that I met on a previous trip back in May while I was on my way here. It turns out she was also pregnant and I kinda have a fetish for pregnant women LOL.

Anyways so as soon as I arrived I grabbed the bus from the airport (which is now 14 mil by the way) and headed to terminal del norte. I had Yei (the pregnant lesbian chick) meet me there, and since I had my suitcase and backpack and all my belongings with me I told her I wanted to go to my apartment in santo domingo (I know big mistake, especially with a chick I've only seen one time prior). Anyways we make it back to my place, everything is in order just how I left it in November. She says she wanted a beer an águila light, I tell her she shouldn't be drinking since she is 8 months pregnant but I guess one light beer wouldn't hurt. I then go to the local tienda in my barrio and buy 2 Aguila lights and come back. I open them both and take a swig of mine and then hop in the shower since I was all sweaty and hadn't showered since I left California. When I get out of the shower yei is in my room mopping up something on the floor and I'm like what happened and she's like oh I accidentally spilled the beers. And I'm like ok whatever. So then I go to grab my beer and low and behold the beer is more full than it had been after my first swig before I got in the shower. Upon further inspection I also noticed that it had alot more foam than it did before my shower and it had some kind of white powder on the neck of the bottle. So I questioned her about it but she denied putting anything in my beer, I however didn't believe her and I went and dumped it out. We then proceeded to have a BBFS session which actually was really good and exactly what I wanted just as good as the first time I saw her back in May. Then afterwards she started complaining that her barriga was hurting and that she didn't feel she could walk all the way down the hillsbof my barrio down to where taxis and cars pass by and that she wanted her girlfriend to come get her so we could both help her walk. I knew something fishy was going on but against my better judgment I gave her my address to give to her girlfriend to grab a taxi, but the address isn't exact because I don't know the interior number and all cars can't pass all the way up here just motos and pedestrians because the road gets too narrow. So when the girlfriend arrived I had to go down to get her. During this time when I left yei alone in my apartment she got into my backpack and took my laptop, my tablet, and a cheap Sony cybershot camera and put them into her backpack that she had brought with her. My dumbass being too trusting didn't think to double check my backpack until after the girlfriend and I helped her down the hill and into a taxi. And when I got back I checked and of course my shit was gone. Luckily everything was all cheap shit tho. The laptop was $100 on black Friday at best buy it was a Lenovo IdeaPad I1 with barebones specs, I just use it to hook up to the TV to watch movies and shows I have downloaded on hard drives. She also got my tablet which was some cheap shit from Walmart called Onn that was like $70 maybe, and she also got my Sony w800 cybershot camera also worth about $70 oh and my cell phone charger was missing as well. The stupid * actually left behind things that were more valuable than what she took, such as my 2 western digital 10 TB hard drives and an original JBL Bluetooth speaker among other things.

Anyways I have attached pictures of the lesbian chick and her girlfriend as well as her Facebook profile and pictures of the residual powder on the beer bottle (after I had dumped it out).

The marimacha goes by Yei Sanchez and the girlfriend (the fem lesbian) goes by Joanna Gomez or Reichell Gomez. They work in the Botero area and stay in a pagodiario in prado.

I guess I always learn the hard way, I know better than to bring chicas back to my place especially one's I don't really know that well, I was thinking with my dick instead of my head and after I noticed the powder on the beer I honestly don't know why I didn't throw the * out of my apartment right away. The good news is that I didn't drink the beer, I didn't pass out or even die, and while I'm out about $250 usd worth of electronics, I can always buy those things back again and it honestly wouldn't put much of a dent in my wallet at the moment.

Please be careful out there guys. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me in all the 5 years I've been coming to Colombia, but it seems to me that people are robbing and stealing more than they used to. A friend of mine recently had his IPhone stolen in Centro and even a vennie I know had her phone stolen as well. This for me is just a lesson to learn about not being so trusting of people which really I already knew but I guess I was just getting to confident or too comfortable, but it could have turned out much worse.

[QUOTE=NorthernLight;2778452]Her FB name is Maria Estefania.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

Is it true American snacks aren't available in medellin? Like m&ms, snickers etc?

[QUOTE=Tonesz;2778468]Wasn't a full member before so I didn't get the chance to attach any pictures I believe but this is what Estefania looks like for anyone that was interested. From my personal preference I think I did quite well specially for someone that's not a pro at all (from what I know) LOL.[/QUOTE]Congratulations!

I think that you did quite well with Estefania. Great smile, sweet look, and a nice figure. We're your other dates similar to this one?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2778444]If I remember correctly this member had other provider difficulties during the pandemic.[/QUOTE]Hi Knowledge,

Not quite but sort of; two guys went hands-on with me in front of the ground-zero Tostao on the first DIA sin IVA during the pandemic. You were nearby. At that time I was staying with a girlfriend in Prado Centro and then moved to my first Medellin apartment, where I quickly got nailed for having too many guests and basically had to move because I was put on probation. I then moved to a great apartment in a building with porteros that love me and have been here ever since. I'll reply to another message now with details of the scope incident.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2778430]You can do that in any strip club though. Furthermore you can also see her naked and dancing before any commitment, which is the additional advantage.[/QUOTE]There is a world of difference between getting to know someone at the mansion and getting to know someone at a strip club. At least in my opinion. I'm not saying one is better than the other for you. But if you want to get to know a girl at a strip club, you're spending money. At the mansion, the majority of the girls aren't as business oriented. Won't cost you a dime. And I'm not about being cheap. But girls working in a strip club are going to be more like sharks than girls at the mansion. But to each his own. That's the beauty. One man's treasure, etc.

[QUOTE=Sauce;2778540]Congratulations!

I think that you did quite well with Estefania. Great smile, sweet look, and a nice figure. We're your other dates similar to this one?[/QUOTE]The other date I had before Estefania was with the girl Maria, the one I had all night. Unfortunately I didn't get to go on other dates with my tinder catches since I spent most and basically all of my time with Estefania so I wound up ditching the rest I planned to meet but no regrets I still had a great time and experience.

Not sure if Maria was a pro or not, I mean she didn't give me the pro vibe but she did give me the experienced vibe if you get what I mean. She did not charge me at all only asked for bus and train money to go back and forth to meet me. She definitely knew what she wanted and how to move it though. As I mentioned in my previous post I did take some pictures of her which I have attached just blurred out her face in case she's a working girl. She definitely didn't give me the shy\innocent type as Estefania did LOL.

I will be heading out there again though this Friday but this time for 2 weeks and see what I get myself in to and trying to catch up with the girls I wound up ditching the last time. I will definitely put a report because I also want to check out el centro and see what there is and just go to other local spots that I have heard about. Oh and also try out my Fase Dos girl.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778552]Hi Knowledge,

Not quite but sort of; two guys went hands-on with me in front of the ground-zero Tostao on the first DIA sin IVA during the pandemic. You were nearby. At that time I was staying with a girlfriend in Prado Centro and then moved to my first Medellin apartment, where I quickly got nailed for having too many guests and basically had to move because I was put on probation. I then moved to a great apartment in a building with porteros that love me and have been here ever since. I'll reply to another message now with details of the scope incident.[/QUOTE]Yes please provide details so that we may possibly avoid getting drugged and robbed of everything.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;2778449]I'm seeing that it's popular for guys to have girls cook for them or hang out for days on end. Even gringos with no Spanish. Not my thing at all. Although I can certainly understand it for veteran expats or long term travelers. We need some type of app that locks down logins for a set period of time.

On a separate note. I always forget about Mansion.

It seems like a great option. Is there a section with girls and a bar / club atmosphere?[/QUOTE]I'll give you the quick lowdown on the mansion. Disclaimer: I do like the place and at least stop in there every visit. It has plenty of haters on this board. Which is fine but I cannot figure out why they are so adamant.

Basically, think day vs night. In the morning, it's generally guests only. The staff is fantastic. They'll do anything for you. The breakfast is cooked to order. Think homemade vs a big spread. About noon, girls will start trickling in. You'll have anywhere between 5 and 15 girls there during the day at the pool. The vibe is pretty low key. There's not alot of hustle. As has been said, you'll get to know them well. Obviously, all are available to take to your room. Price is 200 K. Obviously, you can negotiate what you want. I've never had a bad session there.

At 6 PM, the pool area essentially closes. Everyone goes to the bar / club. I have never been a fan of the club, at least as far as the facilites. It's just not that nice. It is clean. But calling it a club is a bit of a stretch. Very small bar, large dance floor that's not often used. And seating along the walls. When there aren't many people there, it has a very odd feel to it. But, I will say, I've had some really good nights there. Numbers of girls vary there, but I'd say usually you'll find around 20 girls there. It's definitely livelier later.

A couple thoughts about recent reports.

1. Padding the bar bill. I've not had that happen ever. The usual bartender is Michel. She is a good person and I'd be shocked if that happened. The other bartender I know is Mafe. I've never known or suspected that. She is a sweet girl. The only thing I would say. She likes to drink with you. She'll gladly by a round for a group. On your bill. LOL but certainly with your knowledge and approval. But nothing like padding a bill. Prices are pretty much in line with what you'd expect.

2. Disclaimer, I don't spend my visits worried about what could happen. That has left me in some sticky situations but nothing too bad. Certainly never been scoped or robbed. (Actually, I was pickpocketed by two SWs in Tijuana. I can't even begin to explain what an easy target I was. Drunk, walking the streets in Zona Norte at 3 AM. Stupid!) But with regards to the Mansion, their hotel is probably as secure as you'll find. They have a locked gate all day and all night long. Now, anything can happen. Anyone can let someone in so it's not Fort Knox. But the girls are vetted. The staff is very close friends with a few police officers. (On balance, that's probably a good thing. It's not uncommon to see 1 or 2 officers there, just hanging out.) But the girls are well-known and vetted so the danger there is low. As for the bar, there is a portero. He is a very good guy. And here again the door is locked. You are buzzed in and met at the door by the portero. He's not a dude I'd want to fight. LOL big dude, but has no doubt been in a few scraps. But a great guy.

I definitely agree this place has the most value for newbies. Or English-only guys. But as many have said, vets can enjoy it too. If you're looking for a wingman, great place.

Lastly, I agree with the negative comments on the accomodations. It is probably a 3-star place. Service is phenomenal. And it is very clean. But it is far from luxury. I overlook that for all the other benefits.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778387]Was your beer a bottle or was it in a glass / cup? Also did your hotel not check the girls ID?[/QUOTE]This happened in Bogota but I live in Medellin and only follow this forum so here it goes. At the beginning of the pandemic I had tickets to see Juanes in concert in Bogota. That concert was the very first thing to get canceled and then within a week we were in lockdown. Fast forward to January 2022 and the concert was rescheduled, to Saturday February 26 2022 at the Movistar arena. By this time I had a very small and close circle of girl friends but none were available to come to Bogota with me. So I started poking around Tinder and started some chats. I chatted with a woman for about a week and she came off as a professional (not pro puta) and was articulate and interesting to me. By this time I've been in Colombia for two years straight I also speak fluent Spanish.

In Bogota I was at the NH Hotel (can't remember the specific location name) and met this woman for lunch at 2 pm. We actually met at the Hyatt across the corner for my own safety, unbeknown to her. We walked to Parque 93 and found a place for lunch and were having good conversation, I was enjoying the day. During lunch she pulled out her phone to reply to a message and I commented, you have a brand new iphone, how do you have that? She said it was a gift from a family member in Florida. Turns out that probably wasn't the case haha.

So with lunch I had a Britania water and then we were having good conversation so I had a bottle of BBC beer. During that time, I did walk to the bathroom. I came back and was sipping on that beer and that's all I remember. I woke up in the middle of the night in my bed, with my clothes on. I lifted my head and saw the safe in the closet was open. I immediately knew what happened. But everything between sipping on that beer and waking up was and is completely black.

It took about six weeks to recover my accounts. One complicated factor is that I live here and don't have any other devices; if I had other logged-in devices it would have been easier to validate myself to microsoft and google. She got my laptop and phone from the safe, and my burner phone. When I finally got those accounts back I learned from all the emails and time stamps and location tracking that all passwords. Microsoft, google, and apple. Were changed before she left the room, as were the recovery settings.

As I was saying six weeks later when google finally sent me a recovery link, I clicked the link and went straight to account settings. I was resetting things but then was suddenly locked out. I wrote to google that I'm not an idiot but something went wrong, I was locked out before I reset my password. Some days later they sent me another link. By this time I had practiced resetting the password to do it as quicky as possible. This time I was successful. Then I saw, that when I tried the first time, my password was reset at exactly that minute from Bogota, Colombia. That's right: six weeks later, someone was sitting at a screen with my account open still fucking around with my business.

I was registered as the only guest at the NH Hotel, one person. On the video camera, she walked me right past reception. I looked like I'd been out drinking. She was in my room for about 2. 5 hours. I called the police the following day and two officers on one moto arrived in about five minutes and basically and promptly told me that what happened was my fault, and left without taking a report and refused to watch the surveillance video that reception had.

These people now had all of my devices and could reset any password (although they actually had all of them stored in google) with 2 FA. My phone service was with Google Fi and because the password was changed I couldn't lock the account, there isn't a phone number to call at google when you need something. They messaged some friends and family in broken English saying there was an emergency and asking for money. Nobody fell for that because the English was hideous but one family member called the USA embassy in Bogota. To my surprise, someone from the embassy actually got in touch with me about a week later when I finally got a new phone and SIM from Tigo. The embassy doesn't really do anything other than track these incidents, but this guy emphasized to me so many times, how common these drugging incidents are, he even said that several embassy staff have been drugged in Bogota.

Well that's the story. I have a girlfriend now (one of those girls from my small inner circle) and haven't been on a date since. If I ever wanted something different I would go to a well-reviewed in-call from the Colombian forums. Be safe, Lugnut.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778521]Is it true American snacks aren't available in medellin? Like m&ms, snickers etc?[/QUOTE]Some are, some aren't. I'm not sure about those specific ones. Pringles and Cheetos are available and popular. Colombians tend to enjoy Sweets and chocolate, so you can probably find acceptable substitutes.

Is she from bogata? Because the only hot girl I see on fb with that name says she was born and lives in bogata.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778559] Turns out that probably wasn't the case haha.


So with lunch I had a Britania water and then we were having good conversation so I had a bottle of BBC beer. During that time, I did walk to the bathroom. I came back and was sipping on that beer and that's all I remember. I woke up in the middle of the night in my bed, with my clothes on. I lifted my head and saw the safe in the closet was open. I immediately knew what happened. But everything between sipping on that beer and waking up was and is completely black.


I was registered as the only guest at the NH Hotel, one person. On the video camera, she walked me right past reception. I looked like I'd been out drinking. She was in my room for about 2. 5 hours. I called the police the following day and two officers on one moto arrived in about five minutes and basically and promptly told me that what happened was my fault, and left without taking a report and refused to watch the surveillance video that reception had. [/QUOTE]Makes you wonder if we should look out for girls with the latest iphones doesn't it. Because i've seen several of them have them on fb. I hope I don't lose mine I just got the new one haha because I need my old one to use as a burner phone incase something like that happens but damn she took both your phones.

Damn so tinder and not watching your drink. That's like the 2 biggest mistakes. 3rd would be if she had a friend with her.

I'm definitely not trusting anyone with my drink. Hell I think at this point I'm making every chick jump in the jacuzzi first because some say they can put it on their breasts.

The reception really failed you. Maybe it is a good idea to tip the reception so they can have our backs.

Regardless that's a crazy ass drug how it can make you give up all your private information and just make you black out in perfect timing.

Only question I have for you is did she also give you her fb or ig?

I'm guessing this tinder chick didn't have any pictures with kids, friends or family. That's why they say it's best to avoid tinder and use fb. At least with fb you can do a bit more homework on them.

Please go to Facebook and join the Medellin hall of shame that is where everybody posts their experiences with getting drugged there are thousands of members that would love to hear the story and learn from it I'm glad you're OK

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2778515]It is with great resentment and sadness that I am about to post what I am going to post but I feel as though the information needs to be out there to help fellow mongers in medellin to avoid what happened to me.

So anyways I just recently got back to medellin after having been gone for 2 months working in the US. I had been messaging this lesbian marimacha chick that I met on a previous trip back in May while I was on my way here. It turns out she was also pregnant and I kinda have a fetish for pregnant women LOL.

Anyways so as soon as I arrived I grabbed the bus from the airport (which is now 14 mil by the way) and headed to terminal del norte. I had Yei (the pregnant lesbian chick) meet me there, and since I had my suitcase and backpack and all my belongings with me I told her I wanted to go to my apartment in santo domingo (I know big mistake, especially with a chick I've only seen one time prior). Anyways we make it back to my place, everything is in order just how I left it in November. She says she wanted a beer an guila light, I tell her she shouldn't be drinking since she is 8 months pregnant but I guess one light beer wouldn't hurt. I then go to the local tienda in my barrio and buy 2 Aguila lights and come back. I open them both and take a swig of mine and then hop in the shower since I was all sweaty and hadn't showered since I left California. When I get out of the shower yei is in my room mopping up something on the floor and I'm like what happened and she's like oh I accidentally spilled the beers. And I'm like ok whatever. So then I go to grab my beer and low and behold the beer is more full than it had been after my first swig before I got in the shower. Upon further inspection I also noticed that it had alot more foam than it did before my shower and it had some kind of white powder on the neck of the bottle. So I questioned her about it but she denied putting anything in my beer, I however didn't believe her and I went and dumped it out. We then proceeded to have a BBFS session which actually was really good and exactly what I wanted just as good as the first time I saw her back in May. Then afterwards she started complaining that her barriga was hurting and that she didn't feel she could walk all the way down the hillsbof my barrio down to where taxis and cars pass by and that she wanted her girlfriend to come get her so we could both help her walk. I knew something fishy was going on but against my better judgment I gave her my address to give to her girlfriend to grab a taxi, but the address isn't exact because I don't know the interior number and all cars can't pass all the way up here just motos and pedestrians because the road gets too narrow. So when the girlfriend arrived I had to go down to get her. During this time when I left yei alone in my apartment she got into my backpack and took my laptop, my tablet, and a cheap Sony cybershot camera and put them into her backpack that she had brought with her. My dumbass being too trusting didn't think to double check my backpack until after the girlfriend and I helped her down the hill and into a taxi. And when I got back I checked and of course my shit was gone. Luckily everything was all cheap shit tho. The laptop was $100 on black Friday at best buy it was a Lenovo IdeaPad I1 with barebones specs, I just use it to hook up to the TV to watch movies and shows I have downloaded on hard drives. She also got my tablet which was some cheap shit from Walmart called Onn that was like $70 maybe, and she also got my Sony w800 cybershot camera also worth about $70 oh and my cell phone charger was missing as well. The stupid * actually left behind things that were more valuable than what she took, such as my 2 western digital 10 TB hard drives and an original JBL Bluetooth speaker among other things.

Anyways I have attached pictures of the lesbian chick and her girlfriend as well as her Facebook profile and pictures of the residual powder on the beer bottle (after I had dumped it out).

The marimacha goes by Yei Sanchez and the girlfriend (the fem lesbian) goes by Joanna Gomez or Reichell Gomez. They work in the Botero area and stay in a pagodiario in prado.

I guess I always learn the hard way, I know better than to bring chicas back to my place especially one's I don't really know that well, I was thinking with my dick instead of my head and after I noticed the powder on the beer I honestly don't know why I didn't throw the * out of my apartment right away. The good news is that I didn't drink the beer, I didn't pass out or even die, and while I'm out about $250 usd worth of electronics, I can always buy those things back again and it honestly wouldn't put much of a dent in my wallet at the moment.

Please be careful out there guys. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me in all the 5 years I've been coming to Colombia, but it seems to me that people are robbing and stealing more than they used to. A friend of mine recently had his IPhone stolen in Centro and even a vennie I know had her phone stolen as well. This for me is just a lesson to learn about not being so trusting of people which really I already knew but I guess I was just getting to confident or too comfortable, but it could have turned out much worse.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778521]Is it true American snacks aren't available in medellin? Like m&ms, snickers etc?[/QUOTE]Best I've seen that's about true. Doritos nacho cheese are all over though, and the Colombian brands of potato chips are quite good. They also have good chocolate bars, ice cream, and cakes. As bad as Colombian food can be, sweets is their strength.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2778515] This for me is just a lesson to learn about not being so trusting of people which really I already knew but I guess I was just getting to confident or too comfortable, but it could have turned out much worse.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I could say you should of known better being that you been there 5 years but like you said you just got too comfortable.

As soon as you said prego, that to me would of been a red flag, not caring about what she could do to her kid by drinking, 2nd red flag. And to top it all off her having one of those manly looking lesbo friends MAJOR RED FLAG. I stay away from chicks I come across on fb with lesbo friends like that.

What's crazy is you still got got even without being scoped at least like you said it could of been worse.

This reminds me, Never leave any valuables laying around before you invite a chick over you haven't known for some time. And never drink something you took your eye off, but good thing you caught it.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778198]I was scoped in February on a lunch date. Had one beer and woke up hours later in my hotel room. Everything gone, safe empty, passwords changed, security settings changed, all accounts compromised.[/QUOTE]How did she get into the safe? Just curious.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2778515]It is with great resentment and sadness that I am about to post what I am going to post but I feel as though the information needs to be out there to help fellow mongers in medellin to avoid what happened to me.

So anyways I just recently got back to medellin after having been gone for 2 months working in the US. I had been messaging this lesbian marimacha chick that I met on a previous trip back in May while I was on my way here. It turns out she was also pregnant and I kinda have a fetish for pregnant women LOL.

Anyways so as soon as I arrived I grabbed the bus from the airport (which is now 14 mil by the way) and headed to terminal del norte. I had Yei (the pregnant lesbian chick) meet me there, and since I had my suitcase and backpack and all my belongings with me I told her I wanted to go to my apartment in santo domingo (I know big mistake, especially with a chick I've only seen one time prior). Anyways we make it back to my place, everything is in order just how I left it in November. She says she wanted a beer an guila light, I tell her she shouldn't be drinking since she is 8 months pregnant but I guess one light beer wouldn't hurt. I then go to the local tienda in my barrio and buy 2 Aguila lights and come back. I open them both and take a swig of mine and then hop in the shower since I was all sweaty and hadn't showered since I left California. When I get out of the shower yei is in my room mopping up something on the floor and I'm like what happened and she's like oh I accidentally spilled the beers. And I'm like ok whatever. So then I go to grab my beer and low and behold the beer is more full than it had been after my first swig before I got in the shower. Upon further inspection I also noticed that it had alot more foam than it did before my shower and it had some kind of white powder on the neck of the bottle. So I questioned her about it but she denied putting anything in my beer, I however didn't believe her and I went and dumped it out. We then proceeded to have a BBFS session which actually was really good and exactly what I wanted just as good as the first time I saw her back in May. Then afterwards she started complaining that her barriga was hurting and that she didn't feel she could walk all the way down the hillsbof my barrio down to where taxis and cars pass by and that she wanted her girlfriend to come get her so we could both help her walk. I knew something fishy was going on but against my better judgment I gave her my address to give to her girlfriend to grab a taxi, but the address isn't exact because I don't know the interior number and all cars can't pass all the way up here just motos and pedestrians because the road gets too narrow. So when the girlfriend arrived I had to go down to get her. During this time when I left yei alone in my apartment she got into my backpack and took my laptop, my tablet, and a cheap Sony cybershot camera and put them into her backpack that she had brought with her. My dumbass being too trusting didn't think to double check my backpack until after the girlfriend and I helped her down the hill and into a taxi. And when I got back I checked and of course my shit was gone. Luckily everything was all cheap shit tho. The laptop was $100 on black Friday at best buy it was a Lenovo IdeaPad I1 with barebones specs, I just use it to hook up to the TV to watch movies and shows I have downloaded on hard drives. She also got my tablet which was some cheap shit from Walmart called Onn that was like $70 maybe, and she also got my Sony w800 cybershot camera also worth about $70 oh and my cell phone charger was missing as well. The stupid * actually left behind things that were more valuable than what she took, such as my 2 western digital 10 TB hard drives and an original JBL Bluetooth speaker among other things.

Anyways I have attached pictures of the lesbian chick and her girlfriend as well as her Facebook profile and pictures of the residual powder on the beer bottle (after I had dumped it out).

The marimacha goes by Yei Sanchez and the girlfriend (the fem lesbian) goes by Joanna Gomez or Reichell Gomez. They work in the Botero area and stay in a pagodiario in prado.

I guess I always learn the hard way, I know better than to bring chicas back to my place especially one's I don't really know that well, I was thinking with my dick instead of my head and after I noticed the powder on the beer I honestly don't know why I didn't throw the * out of my apartment right away. The good news is that I didn't drink the beer, I didn't pass out or even die, and while I'm out about $250 usd worth of electronics, I can always buy those things back again and it honestly wouldn't put much of a dent in my wallet at the moment.

Please be careful out there guys. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me in all the 5 years I've been coming to Colombia, but it seems to me that people are robbing and stealing more than they used to. A friend of mine recently had his IPhone stolen in Centro and even a vennie I know had her phone stolen as well. This for me is just a lesson to learn about not being so trusting of people which really I already knew but I guess I was just getting to confident or too comfortable, but it could have turned out much worse.[/QUOTE]Damn, lucky she was sloppy and you've noticed it, could've been be much worse considering she seems like an amateur so who knows what kind of dose was in there. Thanks for the report and posting her mug and info. Remember to change all your passwords / auto-logins that might've been on the devices.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2778634]How did she get into the safe? Just curious.[/QUOTE]There are 800,000 videos on youtube that show how to get into a safe. Using a magnet, potato, or fist are 3 ways.

I remember this now. During that time there weren't many people in the plaza so the commotion was really noticeable.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778552]Hi Knowledge,

Not quite but sort of; two guys went hands-on with me in front of the ground-zero Tostao on the first DIA sin IVA during the pandemic. You were nearby. At that time I was staying with a girlfriend in Prado Centro and then moved to my first Medellin apartment, where I quickly got nailed for having too many guests and basically had to move because I was put on probation. I then moved to a great apartment in a building with porteros that love me and have been here ever since. I'll reply to another message now with details of the scope incident.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2778634]How did she get into the safe? Just curious.[/QUOTE]Yes the hotel absolutely failed me. I stayed in this international chain and registered as one person for my own safety, I had no intention of taking anybody to my room. She got into my safe because apparently she got the code from me. That's why she was in my room for 2. 5 hours, it probably took several tries for her to get the safe and devices open as I was stupefied by the drug. This is my last comment on this. I have been on two year's worth of lunch dates here. Conversation on this day was normal to above normal, she never advertised herself as a puta nor looked like one nor was I looking for one. She presented herself as a woman who went to a technical institite and had a stable job. We were not partying or headed for the bed. When she left my hotel that night on moto (google maps location tracking), one ATM card went south and the other made several withdrawals moving north. Credit cards immediately were being used for online and in-person charges. There were a lot of people behind this and they were well-organized. Anyways I'm still here, I like Colombia. But it's a jungle out there. Weekend warriors who visit for five days and declare Colombia safe are very ill-informed. Be safe everyone.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778589]Is she from bogata? Because the only hot girl I see on fb with that name says she was born and lives in bogata.[/QUOTE]Try these.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/kittyslammed[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/sweete_sassy/?hl=en[/URL]

[URL]https://chaturbate.com/sweete_sassy/[/URL]

Seeing these reports of people getting robbed / drugged is honestly scaring me from visiting. I haven't been out of the US before and I am wondering if I should just go to Thailand for my first time out of the country or just try Colombia. Thailand is like a 30 hour flight while Colombia is only like 6 hours.

I would mostly rely on outcall (escort agencies etc). I would really appreciate some honest feedback on if I should go to Colombia or not as a first timer.

Thanks.

Almost every instance I've heard of, involving guys getting drugged and robbed, have a couple of things in common. The biggest one is leaving a drink unattended. Your mindset should be the same with a drink left unattended as with a piece of food dropped on a public restroom floor. It goes in the toilet, not in your mouth.

Another common thread involves 1 or more girls of uncertain origin. Tinder is a good example. It's designed to be anonymous, making it perfect for anyone interested in targeting men for robbery.

Hotel safes can be opened without the code. If you're targeted by a group of pros, they won't need your code. Same thing if you're targeted by an amateur who knows how to use Google.

Most things on your phone can be accessed once the phone is unlocked. If you use facial recognition or a fingerprint to unlock, chances are anyone who gets access to your phone can unlock it. Same with a PIN, if they see you unlock it. Unlock phone, open app, click forgot password, email is sent with reset link, reset password, the app is yours.

It's easy to let your guard down. Make a habit of questioning your environment and situation. Try to think outside the box with protecting your valuables. It's possible to avoid most of the risks.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778680]Yes the hotel absolutely failed me. I stayed in this international chain and registered as one person for my own safety, I had no intention of taking anybody to my room. She got into my safe because apparently she got the code from me. That's why she was in my room for 2. 5 hours, it probably took several tries for her to get the safe and devices open as I was stupefied by the drug. This is my last comment on this. I have been on two year's worth of lunch dates here. Conversation on this day was normal to above normal, she never advertised herself as a puta nor looked like one nor was I looking for one. She presented herself as a woman who went to a technical institite and had a stable job. We were not partying or headed for the bed. When she left my hotel that night on moto (google maps location tracking), one ATM card went south and the other made several withdrawals moving north. Credit cards immediately were being used for online and in-person charges. There were a lot of people behind this and they were well-organized. Anyways I'm still here, I like Colombia. But it's a jungle out there. Weekend warriors who visit for five days and declare Colombia safe are very ill-informed. Be safe everyone.[/QUOTE]Did the credit card companies reimburse you for the fraudulent charges?

To me it sounds like she told you what you wanted to hear when you asked her to tell you about herself. The important thing is you didn't lose anything irreplaceable, like your life. If you learned from the experience you will be OK.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778680]Yes the hotel absolutely failed me. I stayed in this international chain and registered as one person for my own safety, I had no intention of taking anybody to my room. She got into my safe because apparently she got the code from me. That's why she was in my room for 2. 5 hours, it probably took several tries for her to get the safe and devices open as I was stupefied by the drug. This is my last comment on this. I have been on two year's worth of lunch dates here. Conversation on this day was normal to above normal, she never advertised herself as a puta nor looked like one nor was I looking for one. She presented herself as a woman who went to a technical institite and had a stable job. We were not partying or headed for the bed. When she left my hotel that night on moto (google maps location tracking), one ATM card went south and the other made several withdrawals moving north. Credit cards immediately were being used for online and in-person charges. There were a lot of people behind this and they were well-organized. Anyways I'm still here, I like Colombia. But it's a jungle out there. Weekend warriors who visit for five days and declare Colombia safe are very ill-informed. Be safe everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giz99;2778689]Try these.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/kittyslammed[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/sweete_sassy/?hl=en[/URL]

[URL]https://chaturbate.com/sweete_sassy/[/URL][/QUOTE]Ah OK thanks I think I did see her on fb. Not my type so I kept searching.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2778612]Best I've seen that's about true. Doritos nacho cheese are all over though, and the Colombian brands of potato chips are quite good. They also have good chocolate bars, ice cream, and cakes. As bad as Colombian food can be, sweets is their strength.[/QUOTE]Oh ok good to know. I saw some video of a guy saying he brought American snacks for this girl and she went ape shits LOL so they might like that as a small gift LOL.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778680]Yes the hotel absolutely failed me. I stayed in this international chain and registered as one person for my own safety. Anyways I'm still here, I like Colombia. But it's a jungle out there. Weekend warriors who visit for five days and declare Colombia safe are very ill-informed. Be safe everyone.[/QUOTE]You should have made the tramp take a sip of the beer when you asked her about it. "No I didn't touch" "alright bih take a sip" LOL.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778680]Yes the hotel absolutely failed me. I stayed in this international chain and registered as one person for my own safety, I had no intention of taking anybody to my room. She got into my safe because apparently she got the code from me. That's why she was in my room for 2. 5 hours, it probably took several tries for her to get the safe and devices open as I was stupefied by the drug. This is my last comment on this. I have been on two year's worth of lunch dates here. Conversation on this day was normal to above normal, she never advertised herself as a puta nor looked like one nor was I looking for one. She presented herself as a woman who went to a technical institite and had a stable job. We were not partying or headed for the bed. When she left my hotel that night on moto (google maps location tracking), one ATM card went south and the other made several withdrawals moving north. Credit cards immediately were being used for online and in-person charges. There were a lot of people behind this and they were well-organized. Anyways I'm still here, I like Colombia. But it's a jungle out there. Weekend warriors who visit for five days and declare Colombia safe are very ill-informed. Be safe everyone.[/QUOTE]Look, you're hanging with a fast, dangerous crowd. You didn't come to Medellin to rub elbows with the church crowd. If you call escorts in Cleveland you're liable to get drugged and rolled. This isn't so much about Colombia being dangerous as it is you putting yourself in high-risk situations. Don't blame the hotel for your behavior. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be working the ladies, only saying if you're expecting them to always be honest business people it's you that's delusional.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2778666]There are 800,000 videos on youtube that show how to get into a safe. Using a magnet, potato, or fist are 3 ways.[/QUOTE]800,000, eh? I like the potato method best.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2778821]Look, you're hanging with a fast, dangerous crowd. You didn't come to Medellin to rub elbows with the church crowd. If you call escorts in Cleveland you're liable to get drugged and rolled. This isn't so much about Colombia being dangerous as it is you putting yourself in high-risk situations. Don't blame the hotel for your behavior. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be working the ladies, only saying if you're expecting them to always be honest business people it's you that's delusional.[/QUOTE]I think this is a bit beyond the normal escort world. What it appears to be is that the organized crime groups have developed a very extensive network of people that are reasonably proficient at finding victims, and then with the help of the network stealing all of the information they can get their hands on, and then cleaning out bank accounts, stealing identifies, etc. Tens of thousands, into the hundreds of thousands, druggings per year in Colombia is hardly a typical risk that you have in seeing escorts in other parts of the world. It is in their best interest that they not kill very many, but they are likely using the home made versions of scopolamine as it can be manufactured there direct from a tree that grows in the areas including Bogota, and dosage may be uncertain.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2778654]Damn, lucky she was sloppy and you've noticed it, could've been be much worse considering she seems like an amateur so who knows what kind of dose was in there. Thanks for the report and posting her mug and info. Remember to change all your passwords / auto-logins that might've been on the devices.[/QUOTE]I believe what happened is she must have put a lot of it in the beer which caused it to foam up and overflow, hence the powder on the neck and rim of the bottle that can be seen in the photos. Also that would explain why she grabbed my mop and was mopping up also. I think she was very inexperienced in this, and I know it's my fault I got got for leaving her alone in my place with my belongings. I should have known better. I have a select few I brought over during my August thru November stay when I first got the apartment and those are ones I've known for a long time and nothing was ever missing. I need to have better judgment of who I invite to my place and think with my head not my dick. Lesson learned.

Not to beat a dead horse but the hotel definitely failed at lugnut.

On the other hand, My understanding is that even the act of meeting a woman then immediately having 1:1 time with her is big red flag in Colombia per cultural norms.

At Jjbee great points. Some precautions may be difficult to take the longer you're in the city though.

There is a YouTube video out there about a guy who tricked a scammer into scoping herself LOL.

At Dchrist thanks for the details. Will give the place a try.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2778824]I think this is a bit beyond the normal escort world. What it appears to be is that the organized crime groups have developed a very extensive network of people that are reasonably proficient at finding victims, and then with the help of the network stealing all of the information they can get their hands on, and then cleaning out bank accounts, stealing identifies, etc. Tens of thousands, into the hundreds of thousands, druggings per year in Colombia is hardly a typical risk that you have in seeing escorts in other parts of the world. It is in their best interest that they not kill very many, but they are likely using the home made versions of scopolamine as it can be manufactured there direct from a tree that grows in the areas including Bogota, and dosage may be uncertain.[/QUOTE]I agree it's an elevated risk in Colombia compared to other places. I also agree it's organized crime and we know Colombia is well known for that. Also correct that there are precautions one can take, all the way to going to a love motel with any stranger. The part worst than the loss of phone etc, is the loss of data, passwords etc, which allows the criminals to do much bigger money theft. Almost makes you want to take a separate phone for travel with no such data on it.

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2778717]Seeing these reports of people getting robbed / drugged is honestly scaring me from visiting. I haven't been out of the US before and I am wondering if I should just go to Thailand for my first time out of the country or just try Colombia. Thailand is like a 30 hour flight while Colombia is only like 6 hours.

I would mostly rely on outcall (escort agencies etc). I would really appreciate some honest feedback on if I should go to Colombia or not as a first timer.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The thing is you can get pussy so cheap in Colombia (or Brasil, Thailand, DR, etc) because you are really rich compared to them. It's been discussed before that a typical Colombian makes the equivalent of about $200-250 USD a month. So even if you're a gringo of modest means, you can afford more pussy than you can handle. However, that wealth disparity makes you a juicy target. Added to that, you're not hanging around librarians or church ushers. You're hanging around "working girls," and like it or not they typically have a lot of delincuent friends. Or are delincuents themselves.

If you want to go to a non-third world country where this hobby is virtually 100% safe, you might consider the FKKs in Germany. Personally I like traveling somewhere warm during the N. American winter, but if that doesn't matter to you, the FKKs are as good as it gets.

[QUOTE=Combo;2778869]So even if you're a gringo of modest means, you can afford more pussy than you can handle. However, that wealth disparity makes you a juicy target. Added to that, you're not hanging around librarians or church ushers. You're hanging around "working girls," and like it or not they typically have a lot of delincuent friends. Or are delincuents themselves.[/QUOTE]And that is what separates us centro rats from the Poblado dwellers. We totally understand that we are doing street shit, and not sitting in a condo with rose colored glasses thinking how thankful this chick is going to be that I am giving her 200,000 pesos plus tip, taxi, and whatever the hell else, before we pass out and all our shit ends up missing.

Once again, these mfs are not your friends. I do not know if it was this thread or another that the poster said why didn't she realize I was going to give her more than she stole. What he did not understand is what a working girl is. They get it with their lips, hips, and fingertips. It is not always the proper business transaction that some squares are picturing it to be. Just because it is legal does not mean people are on the up and up and not up to no good.

[QUOTE=ZeroAtt;2778717]Seeing these reports of people getting robbed / drugged is honestly scaring me from visiting. I haven't been out of the US before and I am wondering if I should just go to Thailand for my first time out of the country or just try Colombia. Thailand is like a 30 hour flight while Colombia is only like 6 hours.

I would mostly rely on outcall (escort agencies etc). I would really appreciate some honest feedback on if I should go to Colombia or not as a first timer.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go to Tijuana and get your feet wet their. Don't like it, easily walk back.

I'm making my first trip to Medellin. I have play in other countries, including Tijuana (which was a 4 day stay). I'll report back after my trip.

[QUOTE=Combo;2778869]The thing is you can get pussy so cheap in Colombia (or Brasil, Thailand, DR, etc) because you are really rich compared to them. It's been discussed before that a typical Colombian makes the equivalent of about $200-250 USD a month. So even if you're a gringo of modest means, you can afford more pussy than you can handle. However, that wealth disparity makes you a juicy target. Added to that, you're not hanging around librarians or church ushers. You're hanging around "working girls," and like it or not they typically have a lot of delincuent friends. Or are delincuents themselves.

If you want to go to a non-third world country where this hobby is virtually 100% safe, you might consider the FKKs in Germany. Personally I like traveling somewhere warm during the N. American winter, but if that doesn't matter to you, the FKKs are as good as it gets.[/QUOTE]It doesn't get you out of the winter weather, but a more accessible option is Canada. I don't know how things are currently enforced, but it was pretty wide open with escorts, massage parlors and strip clubs last I checked.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2778736] Most things on your phone can be accessed once the phone is unlocked. If you use facial recognition or a fingerprint to unlock, chances are anyone who gets access to your phone can unlock it. Same with a PIN, if they see you unlock it. Unlock phone, open app, click forgot password, email is sent with reset link, reset password, the app is yours.[/QUOTE]Problem is that the victim will give access to phone and the only option I can think of is to get someone to do weekly transfers on my card. You basically don't know how to access that money by yourself. In my case, once accommodation is paid I only need money for food, uber and ladys. I also remove all banking app from my main phone and I download them again only if I need it.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2778558]I'll give you the quick lowdown on the mansion. Disclaimer: I do like the place and at least stop in there every visit. It has plenty of haters on this board. Which is fine but I cannot figure out why they are so adamant.

Basically, think day vs night. In the morning, it's generally guests only. The staff is fantastic. They'll do anything for you. The breakfast is cooked to order. Think homemade vs a big spread. About noon, girls will start trickling in. You'll have anywhere between 5 and 15 girls there during the day at the pool. The vibe is pretty low key. There's not alot of hustle. As has been said, you'll get to know them well. Obviously, all are available to take to your room. Price is 200 K. Obviously, you can negotiate what you want. I've never had a bad session there.

At 6 PM, the pool area essentially closes. Everyone goes to the bar / club. I have never been a fan of the club, at least as far as the facilites. It's just not that nice. It is clean. But calling it a club is a bit of a stretch. Very small bar, large dance floor that's not often used. And seating along the walls. When there aren't many people there, it has a very odd feel to it. But, I will say, I've had some really good nights there. Numbers of girls vary there, but I'd say usually you'll find around 20 girls there. It's definitely livelier later.[/QUOTE]Hey, what's the site or full name for this mansion place I would love to check it out.

Snickers and M&Ms are sold at Exito supermarkets and smaller grocery stores too. Twizzlers licorice twists can't be found, though. And curiously, Campbells condensed soups are nowhere I've been.

These are facts. Ignore them at your peril.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2778895]And that is what separates us centro rats from the Poblado dwellers. We totally understand that we are doing street shit, and not sitting in a condo with rose colored glasses thinking how thankful this chick is going to be that I am giving her 200,000 pesos plus tip, taxi, and whatever the hell else, before we pass out and all our shit ends up missing.

Once again, these mfs are not your friends. I do not know if it was this thread or another that the poster said why didn't she realize I was going to give her more than she stole. What he did not understand is what a working girl is. They get it with their lips, hips, and fingertips. It is not always the proper business transaction that some squares are picturing it to be. Just because it is legal does not mean people are on the up and up and not up to no good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jyd77;2778930]Hey, what's the site or full name for this mansion place I would love to check it out.[/QUOTE][URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

I was in Medellin last month and had 3 different women in my apartment at Energy Living. No problems and saw 2 of them again on different days.

I followed the same advice I provided here before my trip:

I didn't drink alcohol with them in my apartment. I asked if they wanted a beer, but I drank water and and never left my drink unattended. If they put something in my water, it would become cloudy and noticeable. If I had suspicions, I could just refill my glass from the tap. The only time I drank alcohol with women was when we were at a restaurant and I never left the table until we were ready to go. Don't get drunk with them, let them drink if they want, but keep your senses. Also, drinking alcohol can lead to whiskey dick and I'm here to fuck them, not get drunk with them.

This is the utmost important advice you can follow. They can't drug you by blowing powder in your face or getting it absorbed through your skin. You have to ingest it.

Finally, get a place that requires ID for entrance, order all transportation yourself (I exclusively used Uber including picking them up and dropped off), and don't leave them unattended for too long. I avoided getting Rappi (food delivery) because that would mean I had to go downstairs to get it. But if I did, I would 100% tell her to come down with me. No way I'm leaving someone in my apartment by themselves. Instead, I ordered room service or went to a restaurant.

I had a great time in Medellin. Met up with a few ISG members and we went out every night. I'm going back next month to hook up with these same women.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2778680]Yes the hotel absolutely failed me. I stayed in this international chain and registered as one person for my own safety, I had no intention of taking anybody to my room. She got into my safe because apparently she got the code from me. That's why she was in my room for 2. 5 hours, it probably took several tries for her to get the safe and devices open as I was stupefied by the drug. This is my last comment on this. I have been on two year's worth of lunch dates here. Conversation on this day was normal to above normal, she never advertised herself as a puta nor looked like one nor was I looking for one. She presented herself as a woman who went to a technical institite and had a stable job. We were not partying or headed for the bed. When she left my hotel that night on moto (google maps location tracking), one ATM card went south and the other made several withdrawals moving north. Credit cards immediately were being used for online and in-person charges. There were a lot of people behind this and they were well-organized. Anyways I'm still here, I like Colombia. But it's a jungle out there. Weekend warriors who visit for five days and declare Colombia safe are very ill-informed. Be safe everyone.[/QUOTE]There are guys that say "this will never happen to me because. ".

The desire to procreate is stronger than crack, coke and heroin combined LOL.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2778515]It is with great resentment and sadness that I am about to post

I guess I always learn the hard way, I know better than to bring chicas back to my place especially one's I don't really know that well, I was thinking with my dick instead of my head and after I noticed the powder on the beer I honestly don't know why I didn't throw the * out of my apartment right away. The good news is that I didn't drink the beer, I didn't pass out or even die, and while I'm out about $250 usd worth of electronics, I can always buy those things back again and it honestly wouldn't put much of a dent in my wallet at the moment.

Please be careful out there guys. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me in all the 5 years I've been coming to Colombia, but it seems to me that people are robbing and stealing more than they used to. A friend of mine recently had his IPhone stolen in Centro and even a vennie I know had her phone stolen as well. This for me is just a lesson to learn about not being so trusting of people which really I already knew but I guess I was just getting to confident or too comfortable, but it could have turned out much worse.[/QUOTE]You may have gotten complacent which is often the case when things go your way and your having so much fun.

"Rust never sleeps" "Colombian thieves and scammers continue to evolve no matter how you prepare and what you think you read".

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2778824]I think this is a bit beyond the normal escort world. What it appears to be is that the organized crime groups have developed a very extensive network of people that are reasonably proficient at finding victims, and then with the help of the network stealing all of the information they can get their hands on, and then cleaning out bank accounts, stealing identifies, etc. Tens of thousands, into the hundreds of thousands, druggings per year in Colombia is hardly a typical risk that you have in seeing escorts in other parts of the world. It is in their best interest that they not kill very many, but they are likely using the home made versions of scopolamine as it can be manufactured there direct from a tree that grows in the areas including Bogota, and dosage may be uncertain.[/QUOTE]My, you are naive, aren't you? Prostitution has always been heavily controlled by organized crime, not just in Colombia but elsewhere. Colombia has a superstructure of cartels that are almost half a century old. Yes, most of the girls in Medellin and elsewhere in Colombia are independent and somewhat safe, but anywhere the papayas hang low you'll find people willing to pool their resources to pick them. Nowhere do papayas hang lower than when a guy has his pants around his ankles. What are you going to do? Go to a cop and say, "Hey, I brought a hooker up to my room and she rolled me!" Prostitution isn't illegal in Colombia, but soliciting sex (mongering) is. They just caught a guy from San Fran at the airport in Medellin for offering money for sex online, and then there's always the tale of Cuba Dave. Most risks can be managed effectively, but the first step is to be fully cognizant that the hobby carries a lot of risks in the best of circumstances.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2779088]I was in Medellin last month and had 3 different women in my apartment at Energy Living. No problems and saw 2 of them again on different days.

I followed the same advice I provided here before my trip:

I didn't drink alcohol with them in my apartment. I asked if they wanted a beer, but I drank water and and never left my drink unattended. If they put something in my water, it would become cloudy and noticeable. If I had suspicions, I could just refill my glass from the tap. The only time I drank alcohol with women was when we were at a restaurant and I never left the table until we were ready to go. Don't get drunk with them, let them drink if they want, but keep your senses. Also, drinking alcohol can lead to whiskey dick and I'm here to fuck them, not get drunk with them.

This is the utmost important advice you can follow. They can't drug you by blowing powder in your face or getting it absorbed through your skin. You have to ingest it.

Finally, get a place that requires ID for entrance, order all transportation yourself (I exclusively used Uber including picking them up and dropped off), and don't leave them unattended for too long. I avoided getting Rappi (food delivery) because that would mean I had to go downstairs to get it. But if I did, I would 100% tell her to come down with me. No way I'm leaving someone in my apartment by themselves. Instead, I ordered room service or went to a restaurant.

I had a great time in Medellin. Met up with a few ISG members and we went out every night. I'm going back next month to hook up with these same women.[/QUOTE]Good advice, VJ.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2779143]My, you are naive, aren't you?... Prostitution isn't illegal in Colombia, but soliciting sex (mongering) is. They just caught a guy from San Fran at the airport in Medellin for offering money for sex online, and then there's always the tale of Cuba Dave. Most risks can be managed effectively, but the first step is to be fully cognizant that the hobby carries a lot of risks in the best of circumstances.[/QUOTE]Before calling others "naive" please link us to the Colombian legal statute that confirms that offering sex for money (mongering) is illegal in Colombia. Pimping is illegal there, but that's a different matter altogether. Also Cubadave was charged under some obscure statute which prohibits using the media in ways that harm the reputation of the country, not mongering or pimping or anything like that. Finally, if you are talking about this asswipe, Thomas Renno from the Bay area who was nabbed at the airport in Medellin, 2019, he was up to way more than soliciting sex. WHOM he was soliciting was the issue, not the soliciting itself.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6870293/California-man-jailed-Colombia-seeking-sex-girls.html[/URL]

Please do some research before engaging your mouth, or just drop out. That would benefit the community while saving others the time it takes to correct nonsense.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2779143]My, you are naive, aren't you? Prostitution has always been heavily controlled by organized crime, not just in Colombia but elsewhere. Colombia has a superstructure of cartels that are almost half a century old. Yes, most of the girls in Medellin and elsewhere in Colombia are independent and somewhat safe, but anywhere the papayas hang low you'll find people willing to pool their resources to pick them. Nowhere do papayas hang lower than when a guy has his pants around his ankles. What are you going to do? Go to a cop and say, "Hey, I brought a hooker up to my room and she rolled me!" Prostitution isn't illegal in Colombia, but soliciting sex (mongering) is. They just caught a guy from San Fran at the airport in Medellin for offering money for sex online, and then there's always the tale of Cuba Dave. Most risks can be managed effectively, but the first step is to be fully cognizant that the hobby carries a lot of risks in the best of circumstances.[/QUOTE]The organized crime part is that there are standing offers to otherwise independent girls to deliver guys to them. Not saying that these organized crime groups control the girls, or many of them in any case. But these deals are on a transactional basis. You get x dollars / pesos if you can get a guy drugged and then call us.

I think that part of the organized approach has increased a lot in the recent past.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2779143]My, you are naive, aren't you? Prostitution has always been heavily controlled by organized crime, not just in Colombia but elsewhere. Colombia has a superstructure of cartels that are almost half a century old. Yes, most of the girls in Medellin and elsewhere in Colombia are independent and somewhat safe, but anywhere the papayas hang low you'll find people willing to pool their resources to pick them. Nowhere do papayas hang lower than when a guy has his pants around his ankles. What are you going to do? Go to a cop and say, "Hey, I brought a hooker up to my room and she rolled me!" Prostitution isn't illegal in Colombia, but soliciting sex (mongering) is. They just caught a guy from San Fran at the airport in Medellin for offering money for sex online, and then there's always the tale of Cuba Dave. Most risks can be managed effectively, but the first step is to be fully cognizant that the hobby carries a lot of risks in the best of circumstances.[/QUOTE]And I'm very familiar with the Cuba Dave story. Nothing to do with organized crime there, just a test of their legislation against promotion of sex tourism (and a few other tidbits thrown in). I think the link between organized crime and prostitution is mainly true in the US, to a lesser extent in other places that have more liberal laws. And in CR connected with non-organized crime more commonly. Guys pimping their girlfriends / wives and certainly pimping the illegal residents in some cases.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2779088] I didn't drink alcohol with them in my apartment. I asked if they wanted a beer, but I drank water and and never left my drink unattended. If they put something in my water, it would become cloudy and noticeable. If I had suspicions, I could just refill my glass from the tap. The only time I drank alcohol with women was when we were at a restaurant and I never left the table until we were ready to go. Don't get drunk with them, let them drink if they want, but keep your senses. Also, drinking alcohol can lead to whiskey dick and I'm here to fuck them, not get drunk with them.

This is the utmost important advice you can follow. They can't drug you by blowing powder in your face or getting it absorbed through your skin. You have to ingest it.

Finally, get a place that requires ID for entrance, order all transportation yourself (I exclusively used Uber including picking them up and dropped off), and don't leave them unattended for too long. I avoided getting Rappi (food delivery) because that would mean I had to go downstairs to get it. But if I did, I would 100% tell her to come down with me. No way I'm leaving someone in my apartment by themselves. Instead, I ordered room service or went to a restaurant..[/QUOTE]Good advice about not drinking in the apartment. I have a question did any of them spent the night with you? I know obviously that wouldn't be the smartest thing to do but I'm wondering how many people here have done it with out any problems.

[QUOTE=Tomcat88;2778956]Snickers and M&Ms are sold at Exito supermarkets and smaller grocery stores too. Twizzlers licorice twists can't be found, though. And curiously, Campbells condensed soups are nowhere I've been.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info.

[QUOTE=Combo;2778869]The thing is -snip- you are really rich compared to them. It's been discussed before that a typical Colombian makes the equivalent of about $200-250 USD a month. So even if you're a gringo of modest means, you can afford more pussy than you can handle.[/QUOTE]So to those who believe that the girls in Provenza, who party at Sixttina are average, make $250/ month. LOL. Need your money? Think again. Or stay in Centro. You are a minority scraping the bottom WG's of Colombia. ELEVATE your mindset. Enjoy the real Colombia. It's there when you open your minds. AND YOUR WALLETS and it's still affordable.

Guys,

I want to say thank you. The recent reports have sufficiently scared the shit out of me. Haha and I don't scare easily. Those that know me know I'm not the most cautious monger. I'm not particularly foolish (most of the time) but I operate with little fear. I use caution and trust my gut. But based on these reports, and some real time info from some amigas living in Medellin, I do think we're in a time where crimes against mongers are elevated. As others have said, we are attractive targets.

I haven't really thought this through so I'm just throwing an idea out there. Many of us, myself included, travel alone. When I'm in country, even many of my "real life" friends and family do not know my location. But I'm wondering if there is an opportunity to help each other out. As I think through this, I'm not sure it would work. Nor would it necessarily prevent anything. But I wonder if there is something we can do to "check in" with another monger in the country. My activities probably put me at a higher risk. I love going to the bars, drinking and partying with the girls. I enjoy that very much and without that, I'm not sure how frequently I would visit. I'm aware of the risk and I'm willing to take those risks. One thing I do is befriend the bouncers or doormen. They will absolutely look out for you if you treat them well and offer a small tip. (I can give examples! LOL) I'm not one of those obnoxious American drunks at all. I'm low key, I don't make a scene, etc. But I have had a night or two where I probably should have been robbed or drugged because I partied a little too hard.

My suggestion: is there any value in texting or messaging a fellow in-country monger to say here are my plans, here's when I should be back, and if you don't hear from me by a certain time, call the hotel staff for a wellness check? Like I said, I can envision many challenges to this. But I do want to think out of the box. We got a good thing in MDE and I worry that this uptick in druggings and robberies is a trend that can upset the apple cart.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2778810]You should have made the tramp take a sip of the beer when you asked her about it. "No I didn't touch" "alright bih take a sip" LOL.[/QUOTE]If she agreed to take a sip I would have prevented her. The last thing you want is a drugged puta in your hotel room.

This is the wiser perspective. It is sometimes difficult to see past momentary instincts of anger and vengeance.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2779295]If she agreed to take a sip I would have prevented her. The last thing you want is a drugged puta in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]

Provenza is the real Colombia?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2779256]So to those who believe that the girls in Provenza, who party at Sixttina are average, make $250/ month. LOL. Need your money? Think again. Or stay in Centro. You are a minority scraping the bottom WG's of Colombia. ELEVATE your mindset. Enjoy the real Colombia. It's there when you open your minds. AND YOUR WALLETS and it's still affordable.[/QUOTE]

First time poster here. Hoping to get some advice. Been mongering since '97 or so, mostly here in the US and have had a few sketchy experiences but nothing terrible. Have had 1 experience overseas and it was fine. Not great but not bad either.

I recently visited Medellin and Cartagena in a capacity that I wasn't able to engage in any mongering but I saw the opportunities first hand as I was able to go out in parque Lleras and in old city Cartagena. I have an opportunity to go back to Medellin very soon, like next 10 days or so and am planning on going for 3 nights. I've tried to read as much as I possibly could and generally do not try to be on any radar but this is my first time traveling out of the country where mongering will be a primary focal point of the trip and I'll be solo, so I want to be as cautious as possible. I actually read VJ's report below and would love to meet up with any of you who may be there, so I'm not totally alone in navigating this trip. Plus I think there's probably a little more safety in numbers.

I've read quite a bit about New Life and some of the strip clubs in centro. Thoughts on those places? I spent a little bit of time in centro last trip but didn't even notice those places. Obviously I saw the street girls but I've heard New Life and the strip clubs are a slightly higher caliber. Can anyone comment on their experiences there? Also I wouldn't mind a massage and then some action, I've read some good things about some of the massage parlors.

Last time I stayed in an Airbnb for a few nights and there was lots of signage about no sex tourism but I don't think they would have known since there was just a door with a code. I also stayed at an American hotel chain for a night and I think they would have stopped anyone from coming in altho I could be wrong. I have not booked a place to stay yet and would absolutely love some good ideas. I've read, it's better to not bring someone from parque Lleras back to your Airbnb or hotel but rather an hourly love motel. But I haven't seen any real advice on where there is one and how much these cost etc etc. So any advice here would be greatly appreciated especially in regards to where to bring someone you meet while your out and definitely where to stay because I'd like to get something booked before I arrive.

Finally any other advice people with experience would like to offer I'm all ears. I'm a frequent traveler, I've been all over the world except to Asia, I've also been a frequent monger, for over 20 years, but I'm also very cautious. Being drugged or robbed is a big concern I have for this trip. Planning on taking as many precautions as possible including deleting all financial apps from my phone and trying to be as aware as possible. Not leaving drinks unattended, not drinking alcohol or other drinks around girls. I'm not looking to develop ongoing mongering relationships with anyone or spend hours with anyone, just enjoy the sex and go (or have them go). Thanks and if you are going to be in Medellin soon, let me know, I'd love to meet some fellow mongers to go out with.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2779295]If she agreed to take a sip I would have prevented her. The last thing you want is a drugged puta in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]Correct answer. I've seen the story several times about the guy switching beers so the girl drugged herself. I doubt it ever happened. And it's definitely the last thing you want to do. Get rid of the girl, call the police if you must, but don't try to drug her.

Think about it. I'm 6'4" and 225#. I can guarantee, if a girl is in my room she's at least 110# lighter. Chances are she will use enough of the drug to make sure I go down, almost certainly a dangerous overdose. Put that same amount in a person half my size and there's a good chance I'm dealing with a dead girl. Even if she just gets part of the dosage, what do you do with an unconscious girl who needs medical attention? And how will the police respond?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2779295]If she agreed to take a sip I would have prevented her. The last thing you want is a drugged puta in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]No, the last thing you want in your hotel room is a dead puta.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2779307]Provenza is the real Colombia?[/QUOTE]Can you even get Colombian food in Provenza?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779197]Good advice about not drinking in the apartment. I have a question did any of them spent the night with you? I know obviously that wouldn't be the smartest thing to do but I'm wondering how many people here have done it with out any problems.[/QUOTE]This was my first time in Medellin, so I wouldn't have felt comfortable with one staying the night. On my next trip, I will have one stay with me for a couple days (outside of Medellin) but I already have all her basic info and will get a copy of her ID when I book the place. I know this sounds dangerous to some guys, but I've done it before with two girls from Bogota. Again, I'll take all precautions and I have a certain level of trust with this one.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2779368]This was my first time in Medellin, so I wouldn't have felt comfortable with one staying the night. On my next trip, I will have one stay with me for a couple days (outside of Medellin) but I already have all her basic info and will get a copy of her ID when I book the place. I know this sounds dangerous to some guys, but I've done it before with two girls from Bogota. Again, I'll take all precautions and I have a certain level of trust with this one.[/QUOTE]OK so you have had somebody you've never met previously spend the night.

Yeah I'm feeling a little iffy about it but I did some digging going thru a chicks Facebook the other day that wants to spend the night and I seen she has her main family as friends on it going back years, so at least I know she's not on a back up account. Still you have to have your guard up tho.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2779295]If she agreed to take a sip I would have prevented her. The last thing you want is a drugged puta in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]Yes of course, if she agreed there would be no need for her to do it. I meant just to see what her reaction would be if you asked her to. That's how you know if there was something in it or not.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2779256]So to those who believe that the girls in Provenza, who party at Sixttina are average, make $250/ month. LOL. Need your money? Think again. Or stay in Centro. You are a minority scraping the bottom WG's of Colombia. ELEVATE your mindset. Enjoy the real Colombia. It's there when you open your minds. AND YOUR WALLETS and it's still affordable.[/QUOTE]So last month in Barranquilla a chick that I mess with invited me to her coworker's birthday party. Not one minute during those few hours did someone come to me and say since you are here enjoying this real Colombia, you need to open your wallet. Maybe your mindset is scraping the bottom of what Colombia has to offer. Elevate it!

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2779311]First time poster here. Hoping to get some advice. Been mongering since '97 or so, mostly here in the US and have had a few sketchy experiences but nothing terrible. Have had 1 experience overseas and it was fine. Not great but not bad either.

I recently visited Medellin and Cartagena in a capacity that I wasn't able to engage in any mongering but I saw the opportunities first hand as I was able to go out in parque Lleras and in old city Cartagena. I have an opportunity to go back to Medellin very soon, like next 10 days or so and am planning on going for 3 nights. I've tried to read as much as I possibly could and generally do not try to be on any radar but this is my first time traveling out of the country where mongering will be a primary focal point of the trip and I'll be solo, so I want to be as cautious as possible. I actually read VJ's report below and would love to meet up with any of you who may be there, so I'm not totally alone in navigating this trip. Plus I think there's probably a little more safety in numbers.

I've read quite a bit about New Life and some of the strip clubs in centro. Thoughts on those places? I spent a little bit of time in centro last trip but didn't even notice those places. Obviously I saw the street girls but I've heard New Life and the strip clubs are a slightly higher caliber. Can anyone comment on their experiences there? Also I wouldn't mind a massage and then some action, I've read some good things about some of the massage parlors..[/QUOTE]Ah so the family trip down there made you want to go back that quick, must of seen some good talent walking by out there huh.

I would also like to know what's the nicest closest hourly love motel to parque Lleras. I hear people talk about Ibiza but I don't know how far that is.

I'll be down there around the same time. Looking for maybe someone who would like to spilt a bottle at Isla since I won't be drinking much. Also go to this cigar lounge in Poblado I've heard about if anyone is into that.

El Corral, or some of the convenience stores between the bars microwave homemade arepas.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2779341]No, the last thing you want in your hotel room is a dead puta.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2779287]Guys,

I want to say thank you. The recent reports have sufficiently scared the shit out of me. Haha and I don't scare easily. Those that know me know I'm not the most cautious monger. I'm not particularly foolish (most of the time) but I operate with little fear. I use caution and trust my gut. But based on these reports, and some real time info from some amigas living in Medellin, I do think we're in a time where crimes against mongers are elevated. As others have said, we are attractive targets.

My suggestion: is there any value in texting or messaging a fellow in-country monger to say here are my plans, here's when I should be back, and if you don't hear from me by a certain time, call the hotel staff for a wellness check? Like I said, I can envision many challenges to this. But I do want to think out of the box. We got a good thing in MDE and I worry that this uptick in druggings and robberies is a trend that can upset the apple cart.[/QUOTE]A better plan is a like minded wingman. If you're going to be drugged and robbed it's going to be a 2-3 HR timeline, and then you or your body just lies there till found. What good would that do? It's what could mitigate that before it happens that is vital.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2779311] I haven't seen any real advice on where there is one and how much these .[/QUOTE]I was about to post the same question and I jumped in. I will be there for the first time next week, so I cannot advice one is better.

However I will start by checking these for Tinder chicas, price is on the websites:

- Thematic Luxury [URL]https://www.facebook.com/thematicluxury/[/URL] and Motel Ejecutive La 33 (it's on the same road, just opposite) next to Luna Lunera.

On Calle 51 avenida Colombia there are 3 motels one next to the other:

- Motel 3 the Suites [URL]http://www.3dsuite.co/[/URL].

- Thematic Suites [URL]www.thematicsuites.com.co[/URL].

- Lov suites.

There is a Map somewhere on this forum with more options.

Someone complained about Jacuzzi not always working, so if you are into that I would double check.

The cheapest one in El Centro will work for street action, but they have their own so no paperwork for me.

Hi all,

Planning on visiting Medellin and staying at mansion in 3rd week of January. I heard / read that they have new management now. Any thing to keep in mind or worry about safety wise? I have stayed there 4-5 times until 2019. But going after a long covid break now. Want to make sure the safety aspect is still there like before. Any one else going around then? Message me.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779411]Ah so the family trip down there made you want to go back that quick, must of seen some good talent walking by out there huh.

I would also like to know what's the nicest closest hourly love motel to parque Lleras. I hear people talk about Ibiza but I don't know how far that is.

I'll be down there around the same time. Looking for maybe someone who would like to spilt a bottle at Isla since I won't be drinking much. Also go to this cigar lounge in Poblado I've heard about if anyone is into that.[/QUOTE]At night, Motel Ibiza is 10 minutes away from Parque Lleras by taxi. During the afternoon it might take 30 minutes or more.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2779445]El Corral, or some of the convenience stores between the bars microwave homemade arepas.[/QUOTE]I've never tried dead puta stuffed arepas.

I'm guessing that was supposed to be a response to a different post.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779377]OK so you have had somebody you've never met previously spend the night.

Yeah I'm feeling a little iffy about it but I did some digging going thru a chicks Facebook the other day that wants to spend the night and I seen she has her main family as friends on it going back years, so at least I know she's not on a back up account. Still you have to have your guard up tho.[/QUOTE]Wanting to spend the night without first meeting you is a red flag. It's common for a girl to agree on an all night price, fuck once, make an excuse to leave and demand the full amount. It's better to set up a shorter time. If you're really enjoying it and feel okay with it, you can always extend.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2779503]I was about to post the same question and I jumped in. I will be there for the first time next week, so I cannot advice one is better.

However I will start by checking these for Tinder chicas, price is on the websites:

- Thematic Luxury [URL]https://www.facebook.com/thematicluxury/[/URL] and Motel Ejecutive La 33 (it's on the same road, just opposite) next to Luna Lunera.

On Calle 51 avenida Colombia there are 3 motels one next to the other:

- Motel 3 the Suites [URL]http://www.3dsuite.co/[/URL].

- Thematic Suites [URL]www.thematicsuites.com.co[/URL].

- Lov suites.

There is a Map somewhere on this forum with more options.

Someone complained about Jacuzzi not always working, so if you are into that I would double check.

The cheapest one in El Centro will work for street action, but they have their own so no paperwork for me.[/QUOTE]For every love motel I've visited, you have to call the front desk to get the jacuzzi turned on.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2779524]Hi all,

Planning on visiting Medellin and staying at mansion in 3rd week of January. I heard / read that they have new management now. Any thing to keep in mind or worry about safety wise? I have stayed there 4-5 times until 2019. But going after a long covid break now. Want to make sure the safety aspect is still there like before. Any one else going around then? Message me.[/QUOTE]No guarantees, but I think you're generally safe there. Like most doorman buildings, they record the information of any chica entering. That eliminates a lot of problems. IMO you should always stay in a place that takes chicas' IDs upon entering.

That said, if you're picky, be prepared to find talent on your own. What's available on site (day or night) is very inconsistent.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779411]Ah so the family trip down there made you want to go back that quick, must of seen some good talent walking by out there huh.

I would also like to know what's the nicest closest hourly love motel to parque Lleras. I hear people talk about Ibiza but I don't know how far that is.

I'll be down there around the same time. Looking for maybe someone who would like to spilt a bottle at Isla since I won't be drinking much. Also go to this cigar lounge in Poblado I've heard about if anyone is into that.[/QUOTE]Can't DM you but would love to meet up, definitely have some apprehension about going out alone. Still haven't booked a place yet. Starting to consider the mansion unless someone has better advice.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2779349]Can you even get Colombian food in Provenza?[/QUOTE]Here.

[URL]https://www.mondongos.com.co/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2779645]Wanting to spend the night without first meeting you is a red flag. It's common for a girl to agree on an all night price, fuck once, make an excuse to leave and demand the full amount. It's better to set up a shorter time. If you're really enjoying it and feel okay with it, you can always extend.[/QUOTE]I agree. I'll make the decision to whether let her stay with me or not after spending time with her during our night out. I'm only considering it not because she's very pretty but because I vetted her social medias thoroughly and verified some of her parents and family members on it. I think if she was robbing or drugging people she wouldn't be using the same social media profiles going back years and have family on it.

Plus she's been messaging me like every day for the past month, I don't think anyone would bother with all that if they were just out to get you. They would just contact you a few days before. Either way I'm still going to have my guard up. If she decides she doesn't want to stay I'll be more than fine with that too. What she's asking for all night won't hurt my pockets either way. I would actually feel bad if I gave her less considering the amount of time she's going to spend with me just for dinner and a night out.

If she's as sweet as she is online I'm confident it will be more than worth it. You have to remember you're not the only option to these girls. On any given weekend they have guys lined up ready for her and she chose you to cater to you. While she's out having dinner and drinks with you she could have been making money pleasing others. Everyone should keep that in mind. That's the difference between a man just looking for a cheap fuck and a gentleman.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2779638]At night, Motel Ibiza is 10 minutes away from Parque Lleras by taxi. During the afternoon it might take 30 minutes or more.[/QUOTE]Thanks good to know. Do you know if they require a reservation online or do they take walk ins?

Just back frome Medellin. I had a girl that came over to my apartment for playtime and she said that she wanted to spend the night. I didn't have any issues with it but I had met her a few times before. All was good. Same price as regular session so I was happy with the arrangement.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2779645]Wanting to spend the night without first meeting you is a red flag. It's common for a girl to agree on an all night price, fuck once, make an excuse to leave and demand the full amount. It's better to set up a shorter time. If you're really enjoying it and feel okay with it, you can always extend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2779740]Just back frome Medellin. I had a girl that came over to my apartment for playtime and she said that she wanted to spend the night. I didn't have any issues with it but I had met her a few times before. All was good. Same price as regular session so I was happy with the arrangement.[/QUOTE]Prior experience with a girl, in my opinion, is an important factor. You already know about performance and chances are good that she sees you as a regular source of income. Although it does happen, she's less likely to screw up a good arrangement.

Not terrible news but still not good.

In Nov. And now in Jan. Both times the wait to clear customs was an hour and 20 minutes. More upsetting to me was in the line to clear it was loaded with Gringos. I think experenced guys know how Costa Rica was ruined in the same way. Regulars already know that on Jan. First Colombia allows prices to rise. The taxi from the airport went from 90 K to 98 K. Once on the ground most everything also seemed to cost more. So far no rain in the 3 days I have been here. Well at least there is some good news. At the airport a guy tried to charge me 160 K and then at the dentist the guy quoted me 250 K to do some work. I showed him my total cash was 178 K and he told mr ok. Man they are hurting here and the urge to rip off is strong here.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2779855]Not terrible news but still not good.

In Nov. And now in Jan. Both times the wait to clear customs was an hour and 20 minutes. More upsetting to me was in the line to clear it was loaded with Gringos. I think experenced guys know how Costa Rica was ruined in the same way. Regulars already know that on Jan. First Colombia allows prices to rise. The taxi from the airport went from 90 K to 98 K. Once on the ground most everything also seemed to cost more. So far no rain in the 3 days I have been here. Well at least there is some good news. At the airport a guy tried to charge me 160 K and then at the dentist the guy quoted me 250 K to do some work. I showed him my total cash was 178 K and he told mr ok. Man they are hurting here and the urge to rip off is strong here.[/QUOTE]Colombia is a lot bigger than CR, I don't see the same happening. Prices are going up because inflation is out of control in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2779859]Colombia is a lot bigger than CR, I don't see the same happening. Prices are going up because inflation is out of control in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Well, I have lived in and moved out of both CR and Colombia and I can say that without a doubt, the exact same thing is happening in Colombia (particularly Medellin, will not bother with the accent mark) now that happened in Costa Rica say 20 years ago. It will take a while more for the gringos to ruin it completely, but they will.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779377]OK so you have had somebody you've never met previously spend the night.

Yeah I'm feeling a little iffy about it but I did some digging going thru a chicks Facebook the other day that wants to spend the night and I seen she has her main family as friends on it going back years, so at least I know she's not on a back up account. Still you have to have your guard up tho.[/QUOTE]No, you're misunderstanding me. The girls in Bogota I had hooked up 3 different nights before I decided to spend a weekend with them. I get all of their IDs to book the room.

I would never spend a night with someone unless I met them multiple times and even then, I've only done it with those 2 and now this 1 coming up.

I don't use Tinder, too anonymous, and never tried Facebook.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2779859]Colombia is a lot bigger than CR, I don't see the same happening. Prices are going up because inflation is out of control in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Well, I have lived in and moved out of both CR and Colombia and I can say that without a doubt, the exact same thing is happening in Colombia (particularly Medellin, will not bother with the accent mark) now that happened in Costa Rica say 20 years ago. It will take a while more for the gringos to ruin it completely, but they will.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2779645]Wanting to spend the night without first meeting you is a red flag. It's common for a girl to agree on an all night price, fuck once, make an excuse to leave and demand the full amount. It's better to set up a shorter time. If you're really enjoying it and feel okay with it, you can always extend.[/QUOTE]Agreed. My first meetings are usually a few hours. But they always want to meet again for longer and the vibe gets better each time we meet.

I rather spend most of the day together and send them home late. The 2 girls I hooked up with in Bogota left my place as late as 3 am before I decided I wanted to spend a weekend with them.

To be honest and so you guys don't get the wrong idea: spending the night is risky and I'm not recommending anyone here do it because you have to be smart with who you choose. I'm taking a calculated risk here and I'm confident enough with my approach. Not to sound like a dick, but I don't think the average monger is as capable. I had a friend take home girls from strip clubs and a club like Gustos without any issues though. Never tried it with these types of girls (pros). Not my thing.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2779855]Not terrible news but still not good.

In Nov. And now in Jan. Both times the wait to clear customs was an hour and 20 minutes. More upsetting to me was in the line to clear it was loaded with Gringos. I think experenced guys know how Costa Rica was ruined in the same way. Regulars already know that on Jan. First Colombia allows prices to rise. The taxi from the airport went from 90 K to 98 K. Once on the ground most everything also seemed to cost more. So far no rain in the 3 days I have been here. Well at least there is some good news. At the airport a guy tried to charge me 160 K and then at the dentist the guy quoted me 250 K to do some work. I showed him my total cash was 178 K and he told mr ok. Man they are hurting here and the urge to rip off is strong here.[/QUOTE]I also had a long wait at Customs in November. It was a Saturday and the lines were long and there weren't that many custom agents. They need more agents working the lines. It is definitely very annoying to wait so long after the plane ride. 98 k is a lot for the taxi to the city but they do have to pay that toll for the tunnel. There are cheaper options if you want to do the shared taxi.

All in all, Colombia is still a cheap country relatively speaking. For the same ride to the airport here, Uber charges me $80 so the 98 k taxi fare doesn't bother me that much.

Mondongos is close to Provenza but closer to Parque Lleras. La Corral is nearer to Provenza and there are convenience stores in Provenza that sell warmed over arepas and other fast food items along with beer, cigarettes, and condoms. Sambombi and oci. Mde are high end Provenza restaurants that serve Colombian food.

[QUOTE=Grizwooos;2779706]Here.

[URL]https://www.mondongos.com.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2779855]First Colombia allows prices to rise. The taxi from the airport went from 90 K to 98 K. Once on the ground most everything also seemed to cost more. [/QUOTE]I agree. The United States allowed prices to rise. Thailand allowed prices to rise. Mexico allowed prices to rise. France allowed prices to rise. What are all of these places doing allowing prices to rise? I would never raise the price of anything that I am selling or of a service that I am performing no matter what.

[QUOTE=Grizwooos;2779706]Here.

[URL]https://www.mondongos.com.co/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm familiar with Mondongos, but that's not in Provenza.

It was a joke. Provenza is mostly upscale restaurants and bars, with various cuisines. It's about as far from the real Medellin as you can get. Don't get me wrong, I love Provenza, it's just not really a Colombian experience.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779710]I agree. I'll make the decision to whether let her stay with me or not after spending time with her during our night out. I'm only considering it not because she's very pretty but because I vetted her social medias thoroughly and verified some of her parents and family members on it. I think if she was robbing or drugging people she wouldn't be using the same social media profiles going back years and have family on it.

Plus she's been messaging me like every day for the past month, I don't think anyone would bother with all that if they were just out to get you. They would just contact you a few days before. Either way I'm still going to have my guard up. If she decides she doesn't want to stay I'll be more than fine with that too. What she's asking for all night won't hurt my pockets either way. I would actually feel bad if I gave her less considering the amount of time she's going to spend with me just for dinner and a night out.

If she's as sweet as she is online I'm confident it will be more than worth it. You have to remember you're not the only option to these girls. On any given weekend they have guys lined up ready for her and she chose you to cater to you. While she's out having dinner and drinks with you she could have been making money pleasing others. Everyone should keep that in mind. That's the difference between a man just looking for a cheap fuck and a gentleman.[/QUOTE]No they don't. At least not at the price you'll probably pay. If a girl has guys lining up to see her every night, she's got no reason to waste time messaging you. She's going to be too busy getting laid and paid. A busy girl on Facebook sees 2 or 3 guys per week. A super busy one might do 5 or 6.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779711]Thanks good to know. Do you know if they require a reservation online or do they take walk ins?[/QUOTE]No reservations. Any taxi driver should know it. It's on Autopista Sur just south of Mayorista. The taxi will pull up to the gate, where you'll place your order, just like a drive through. A few years ago they had a security guard checking girl's cedulas as well. Every room has a jacuzzi. The next level up has a sauna as well. I always ask for "una habitacion solo con jacuzzi", a room just with a jacuzzi. They'll tell you the number of your room. Gate opens taxi drives to your room, a lighted sign with the number will be flashing. When you get there the door will open. Just inside is a button to close the door.

Go up the stairs (unless you're driving, you'll have a 3rd floor room. Second floor rooms each have their own garage. At the top of the stairs you'll see:

Starting to your left, a mini fridge, with a cabinet above, a couch, a stripper pole, a sound system, a love chair (vaguely shaped like a high heel shoe), the bed, the jacuzzi, a bathroom sink, toilet and shower.

You need to call the desk to get the water for the jacuzzi turned on. You'll need to adjust the temperature (just warm, most of the girls don't have hot water) and turn off the water when it's full. If you need air, call the desk to get the air conditioning turned on. Rooms are for 6 hours.

When you're ready to leave call the front desk to get your check. They will swing out the mini fridge and inventory it, lock it up, total your bill and sound a buzzer. Open the cabinet above the fridge and your bill will be there. Pay the bill and ask for a taxi. They will call you when the taxi arrives.

Until the bill is paid and your ride has arrived the entry door can't be opened. During your stay you will not come face to face with anyone. It's all very discreet.

I forgot to mention the menu. On the desk is a menu and catalog, you can order sex toys and steak, or whatever you desire. The mini fridge contains drinks, snacks, lube, condoms, bubble bath and a couple of cheap toys.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2779855]Not terrible news but still not good.

In Nov. And now in Jan. Both times the wait to clear customs was an hour and 20 minutes. More upsetting to me was in the line to clear it was loaded with Gringos. I think experenced guys know how Costa Rica was ruined in the same way. Regulars already know that on Jan. First Colombia allows prices to rise. The taxi from the airport went from 90 K to 98 K. Once on the ground most everything also seemed to cost more. So far no rain in the 3 days I have been here. Well at least there is some good news. At the airport a guy tried to charge me 160 K and then at the dentist the guy quoted me 250 K to do some work. I showed him my total cash was 178 K and he told mr ok. Man they are hurting here and the urge to rip off is strong here.[/QUOTE]When I arrived December 13 the wait was only 20 minutes at 2:30 pm. There are always guys at the airport trying to gouge gringos. I had to wait 20 minutes for my rental car to be brought from an offsite lot and must have been asked 50 times if I needed a taxi.

It's in the dry season now. You should have mostly good weather for the next month or so.

Rate increases happen every January 1st. Taxis, buses and the Metro all raise their rates, this includes the metered yellow taxis.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779711]Thanks good to know. Do you know if they require a reservation online or do they take walk ins?[/QUOTE]Walk-ins are all I've done but you may want to book ahead depending on the amenities you want or are looking for in a room. It's really convenient and they don't even check cedula (during my visits).

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2779884]Agreed. My first meetings are usually a few hours. But they always want to meet again for longer and the vibe gets better each time we meet.

I rather spend most of the day together and send them home late. The 2 girls I hooked up with in Bogota left my place as late as 3 am before I decided I wanted to spend a weekend with them.

To be honest and so you guys don't get the wrong idea: spending the night is risky and I'm not recommending anyone here do it because you have to be smart with who you choose. I'm taking a calculated risk here and I'm confident enough with my approach. Not to sound like a dick, but I don't think the average monger is as capable. I had a friend take home girls from strip clubs and a club like Gustos without any issues though. Never tried it with these types of girls (pros). Not my thing.[/QUOTE]I definitely would not consider letting a girl I just met at a bar or club spend the night.

You can at least vet a girl you been talking to online for weeks but with a girl you just met at a club you are taking a huge risk.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2779673]Can't DM you but would love to meet up, definitely have some apprehension about going out alone. Still haven't booked a place yet. Starting to consider the mansion unless someone has better advice.[/QUOTE]I'm staying at a high rise Airbnb because it has probably the best balcony view above the city. But from what I hear I would have gone with the energy building as a second choice.

That's fine. When you get here just post on here in the travel announcements section where you'll be at around what time and if I see it I'll reply back.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2779896]I agree. The United States allowed prices to rise. Thailand allowed prices to rise. Mexico allowed prices to rise. France allowed prices to rise. What are all of these places doing allowing prices to rise? I would never raise the price of anything that I am selling or of a service that I am performing no matter what.[/QUOTE]Seriously? You ***** about the price of a taxi going up without any understanding that the price of the peso has plummeted in the last year. Your $32 taxi ride a year ago ($90 k at $2800 COP /$1 USD) now actually costs you only $21 ($98 k at $4700 COP /$1 USD). You're getting the best bargain in the world- cheap hotels, cheap food, and cheap top shelf pussy. Stop whining.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2779965]Seriously? You ***** about the price of a taxi going up without any understanding that the price of the peso has plummeted in the last year. Your $32 taxi ride a year ago ($90 k at $2800 COP /$1 USD) now actually costs you only $21 ($98 k at $4700 COP /$1 USD). You're getting the best bargain in the world- cheap hotels, cheap food, and cheap top shelf pussy. Stop whining.[/QUOTE]2800 cop for 1 usd a year ago? What are you smoking? We haven't seen these rates since like 2019. A year ago exchange rate was about 4000 or so, and the airport ride was about 60-65 k pesos or about $15.

By the way, USD has been plummeting vs COP in the last few days. From 4900's to 4600's.

AirBnbs are up 50-100% year over year in certain areas and buildings.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2779968]2800 cop for 1 usd a year ago? What are you smoking? We haven't seen these rates since like 2019. A year ago exchange rate was about 4000 or so, and the airport ride was about 60-65 k pesos or about $15.

By the way, USD has been plummeting vs COP in the last few days. From 4900's to 4600's.

AirBnbs are up 50-100% year over year in certain areas and buildings.[/QUOTE]You're both way off.

1 year ago exchange rate was around 3800. Last time it was 2800 was summer of 2018. I'm guessing he screwed up punching 3800 into the calculator and didn't realize it.

Taxi from the airport 1 year ago was 90 k. It hasn't been 70 k since 2017.

Taxi rates from the airport are set by the government and go up every year. The same is true for the metered yellow taxis and the airport buses.

If you go upstairs to the departures level you might be able to strike a deal with a yellow taxi dropping someone off.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2779958]I definitely would not consider letting a girl I just met at a bar or club spend the night.

You can at least vet a girl you been talking to online for weeks but with a girl you just met at a club you are taking a huge risk.[/QUOTE]Yet, the majority of druggings which are reported involve girls vetted online.

I've been meeting people from online since about the time you learned to walk. What you think you know about anyone online is what they want you to know. In reality you're at a much higher risk believing a girl online is safe than a guy pulling a girl from a club who's aware of the risks.

2023, watch your drink this year boys.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2780015]Yet, the majority of druggings which are reported involve girls vetted online.

I've been meeting people from online since about the time you learned to walk. What you think you know about anyone online is what they want you to know. In reality you're at a much higher risk believing a girl online is safe than a guy pulling a girl from a club who's aware of the risks.[/QUOTE]I doubt you were meeting anyone on the internet in the 80's. If you were I'the say you should of gone out more.

Are the Cabaas motel in Manila-area similar to Ibiza? I was planning to use that place and booked an apartment close.

[QUOTE=Elispio;2779955]Walk-ins are all I've done but you may want to book ahead depending on the amenities you want or are looking for in a room. It's really convenient and they don't even check cedula (during my visits).[/QUOTE]

Same to you, stay safe! I have been out drinking and hitting on chicks alone most of my life, but I kind of like the idea of having a drinking-buddy to watch my ass in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2780169]2023, watch your drink this year boys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2780253]Are the Cabaas motel in Manila-area similar to Ibiza? I was planning to use that place and booked an apartment close.[/QUOTE]Not nearly as nice as Ibiza. But obviously more convenient.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2780010]You're both way off.

1 year ago exchange rate was around 3800. Last time it was 2800 was summer of 2018. I'm guessing he screwed up punching 3800 into the calculator and didn't realize it.

Taxi from the airport 1 year ago was 90 k. It hasn't been 70 k since 2017.

Taxi rates from the airport are set by the government and go up every year. The same is true for the metered yellow taxis and the airport buses.

If you go upstairs to the departures level you might be able to strike a deal with a yellow taxi dropping someone off.[/QUOTE]You missed the most important part- "You're getting the best bargain in the world- cheap hotels, cheap food, and cheap top shelf pussy. Stop whining. ".

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2780267]You missed the most important part- "You're getting the best bargain in the world- cheap hotels, cheap food, and cheap top shelf pussy. Stop whining. ".[/QUOTE]Damn right!! I'm in Medellin and actually regret not staying longer. You got to put more work in to get what you want, but the option are endless.

I'll leave my full detail report after my trip. Mainly just on my experience and not reviewing the ladies I have seen so far.

To the ones on the fence about coming, just do it. Trust me. I literally just got done banging this hottie. 2 rounds BBFS. Started in the shower, but had to stop cause she started to moan load. Got to stay discrete. Finish it off in the bed and just make out when her volume raise up again.

Got distracted! Anyway Just got to keep your head up, keep your eyes moving. Don't drink around girls in your room if you can avoid it. And most importantly, if you turn your back away from your drink and it's open. Assume it's fuck with that bad bojo.

But for my first time mongers, I'll say visit Tijuana first. It's a buffet in Tijuana, just here in Medellin, you just got to put in more work.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2779855] First Colombia allows prices to rise. The taxi from the airport went from 90 K to 98 K. Once on the ground most everything also seemed to cost more. So far no rain in the 3 days I have been here. Well at least there is some good news. At the airport a guy tried to charge me 160 K and then at the dentist the guy quoted me 250 K to do some work. I showed him my total cash was 178 K and he told mr ok. Man they are hurting here and the urge to rip off is strong here.[/QUOTE]Even the Hotel Nutribar in El centro has been stuck around $52 a night even if booking it around March time frame. I paid $22 a night back November. I'll probably just go the Airbnb route, which is cheaper, but it probably won't be located in El centro.

It is a double edged sword. The more we praise Colombia, the more men come to Colombia, and then it changes and we all complain about it. Ha ha ha. I am relatively new to Colombia myself so I have no right to complain about more guys coming to Colombia.

I have always enjoyed visiting Thailand and the Philippines for mongering but since covid, I have not been back. I have been searching for closer destinations to America. First I went to Costa Rica and then Mexico and now I visited Medellin, Colombia for my past two trips. From the East Coast, Medellin is about 5 1/2 hours or 3 1/2 from Florida so it fits my criteria for a country that is closer to America. From the West Coast, Mexico is closer and if I lived in Texas or California, I would prefer Guadalajara, Mexico due to the flight times and cost but from the East Coast, Medellin is the best bet for best close-by mongering country in my humble opinion. Thailand and the Philippines still have a special place in my heart and I will be back soon when I am ready to take a longer trip.

For those who want to save money, the casas and the streetwalkers in El Centro are a good value. I prefer the girls on Facebook and from the first trip to the second trip, I have been learning a lot and I expect good things on FB for my third trip. Solid GFE sessions with young attractive girls in my hotel room is what I have getting and the price range generally has been 200 to 300 mil for sessions that are 90 minutes to 2 hours. In my own negotiations with FB girls, I start out with 200 mil and some accept but there are number of girls who say no and we end up with 250 to 300 mil plus taxi.

There is a large number of young attractive girls on FB willing to have sex for money with gringos for the right price and my biggest problem is not enough time or energy to see all the girls I would like to see.

On this website, there has been this debate about older mongers versus younger mongers. I am an older monger in my late 50's. As with all older mongers, I used to be a younger monger in my 20's and 30's so I understand the mindset of younger mongers. When I was younger, I also thought that girls prefer to be with younger better looking guys than those old out of shape guys in their 50's or 60's and so they were having more fun with me rather than those perverts who are old enough to be their grandfathers. Now that I am one of those perverts, I can see that young attractive girls can also appreciate older gringos who will treat them nice and will pay them the gringo going rate and the girls make the effort to try to make you happy. There are enough girls for everyone and we can all enjoy the girls of Medellin. And there are more than enough attractive girls who are willing to have sex with men old enough to be their grandfathers so it is not a problem for older mongers.

I will be back in Medellin in a few weeks and will post some comments about my trip. Once again, it will be an all FB trip.

This girl I am pretty sure works in centro in front of Botero Hotel, she is a very big girl correct? Her friend stole one of my friends cell phones and attempted to steal another friends cell phone 3 days after I warned him about her, about half the Medellin police force showed up LOL. Gang of thieves for sure.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2778515]It is with great resentment and sadness that I am about to post what I am going to post but I feel as though the information needs to be out there to help fellow mongers in medellin to avoid what happened to me.

So anyways I just recently got back to medellin after having been gone for 2 months working in the US. I had been messaging this lesbian marimacha chick that I met on a previous trip back in May while I was on my way here. It turns out she was also pregnant and I kinda have a fetish for pregnant women LOL.

Anyways so as soon as I arrived I grabbed the bus from the airport (which is now 14 mil by the way) and headed to terminal del norte. I had Yei (the pregnant lesbian chick) meet me there, and since I had my suitcase and backpack and all my belongings with me I told her I wanted to go to my apartment in santo domingo (I know big mistake, especially with a chick I've only seen one time prior). Anyways we make it back to my place, everything is in order just how I left it in November. She says she wanted a beer an guila light, I tell her she shouldn't be drinking since she is 8 months pregnant but I guess one light beer wouldn't hurt. I then go to the local tienda in my barrio and buy 2 Aguila lights and come back. I open them both and take a swig of mine and then hop in the shower since I was all sweaty and hadn't showered since I left California. When I get out of the shower yei is in my room mopping up something on the floor and I'm like what happened and she's like oh I accidentally spilled the beers. And I'm like ok whatever. So then I go to grab my beer and low and behold the beer is more full than it had been after my first swig before I got in the shower. Upon further inspection I also noticed that it had alot more foam than it did before my shower and it had some kind of white powder on the neck of the bottle. So I questioned her about it but she denied putting anything in my beer, I however didn't believe her and I went and dumped it out..[/QUOTE]

So. I've always based myself in Medellin / Laureles. I just love it there, but I get feeling guilty for not checking out other spots. I've been to Pereira, Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta. I'm on my way back in a couple weeks. Anywhere else I should be checking out? I keep hearing about Cucutá, Cali has always been interesting, and prices look REALLY good in Bucaramanga. Or should I just stay in Laureles again?

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2780571]So. I've always based myself in Medellin / Laureles. I just love it there, but I get feeling guilty for not checking out other spots. I've been to Pereira, Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta. I'm on my way back in a couple weeks. Anywhere else I should be checking out? I keep hearing about Cucut, Cali has always been interesting, and prices look REALLY good in Bucaramanga. Or should I just stay in Laureles again?[/QUOTE]If you're brave enough and it's within your budget, rent a car and do some touring. You could easily compare Pereira, Armenia and Manizales. Or start from Bogota and hit Tunja, Bucaramanga and Cucuta.

Driving in Colombia is a challenge and can be stressful, but you get to see more that way.

I'm usually based in MDE as well and have been to all the places you mentioned, including Bucaramanga and Cucuta. IMHO, go to Bucaramanga: do not pass go, do not collect 200 mil pesos. Good luck! As for me, I'm going to have to check out either Pasto or Ibague (letting out my secret of unjaded Colombian cities 😬)

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2780571]So. I've always based myself in Medellin / Laureles. I just love it there, but I get feeling guilty for not checking out other spots. I've been to Pereira, Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta. I'm on my way back in a couple weeks. Anywhere else I should be checking out? I keep hearing about Cucut, Cali has always been interesting, and prices look REALLY good in Bucaramanga. Or should I just stay in Laureles again?[/QUOTE]

Just curious has anyone on here meet up with any webcam girls? I've talked to one or 2, I'd consider meeting up with. Just curious what other peoples experiences are?

What's the deal with the phones?

Is it easy to bypass iCloud lock in Colombia? It is damn near impossible to unlock here in the states unless you take it to apple.

Most phone repair shops won't bother with that but if you're lucky maybe $20-$60 depending on the phone to sell for parts. I'm guessing they just re sell for parts?

Yeah Tijuana is a lot easier as many women speak english. There are also telegram groups with women being advertised and reviewed. Much smaller than Medellin I assume. I'm in Cali and easier for me to get to Tijuana but hey got to graduate now will be in Medellin at the end of the month.

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2780325]Damn right!! I'm in Medellin and actually regret not staying longer. You got to put more work in to get what you want, but the option are endless.

I'll leave my full detail report after my trip. Mainly just on my experience and not reviewing the ladies I have seen so far.

To the ones on the fence about coming, just do it. Trust me. I literally just got done banging this hottie. 2 rounds BBFS. Started in the shower, but had to stop cause she started to moan load. Got to stay discrete. Finish it off in the bed and just make out when her volume raise up again.

Got distracted! Anyway Just got to keep your head up, keep your eyes moving. Don't drink around girls in your room if you can avoid it. And most importantly, if you turn your back away from your drink and it's open. Assume it's fuck with that bad bojo.

But for my first time mongers, I'll say visit Tijuana first. It's a buffet in Tijuana, just here in Medellin, you just got to put in more work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hillbilly69;2780510]This girl I am pretty sure works in centro in front of Botero Hotel, she is a very big girl correct? Her friend stole one of my friends cell phones and attempted to steal another friends cell phone 3 days after I warned him about her, about half the Medellin police force showed up LOL. Gang of thieves for sure.[/QUOTE]Yes you are describing the girlfriend of the girl I was messing with. I was with the pregnant butch one that is smaller and 8 months pregnant. They were in cahoots though, it was the bigger one that showed up to "help" the pregnant one because she was complaining that she was in pain and needed help walking. It was when I went down the hill to meet Joanna (the one your describing) that's when the butch one relieved me of my pertenencias that I still had in my back pack. It's my own fault for being too trusting and letting stupid be*tches come to my apartment that I don't really know.

She was a mutual friend of another girl that I've known for about 2 years and I was extending that trust I had built with the other girl onto her since they were mutual friends, big mistake!

Anyways I'm over it already!

I already got another laptop and camera, still need a new tablet but I've been making due with my phone for now. No ones come back to my place and tried to break in or anything and I doubt by now they would even remember how to get here or which exact apartment is mine.

I've still been going down to Centro and enjoying my low hanging mangos LOL. I got BBFS cip from a SWer I found by the church this morning for 30 mil (she was older, but gave great service).

I would post more about my endeavors on here but during my last trip everyone just wanted to argue with me about the stupidest shit like ATM fees or wasting money in strip clubs.

I only came back on here to warn fellow mongers about these 2 girls that are stealing from people.

-Gabacho Out.

Hi all, this is a pretty stupid post for some, but I really really have the itch to try BBFS. Never done it before, and I am getting into my 40's soon. So, was really hoping to get some BB action once or twice atleast during this upcoming trip to Medellin. Need your advice.

I realize that there is a risk factor that is not zero for sure. But, I am trying to minimize HIV risk as much as possible. So, was hoping to see only selectively someone who is having a family, has kids, is not a 'professional' who is visiting strip clubs etc. I. e. Someone who is homely person and not going out for sex every other day with strangers. I think I have found a few FB girls like that profile. I am planning to carry the oraquick hiv test kit with me and have the girl do a quick saliva test before the act.

Any ideas on what the risk factor could be in the above for contracting hiv? Sorry I know I am being too paranoid / asking a stupid question, but hopefully you understand from the pov of someone who has never had BBFS before.

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2780256]Same to you, stay safe!....[/QUOTE]I have travelled all over the world and Colombia is the only country in which I was attacked. Twice. I have no illusions. Nevertheless Germany is the only country in which I had stuff actually stolen, go figure.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2780628]Just curious has anyone on here meet up with any webcam girls? I've talked to one or 2, I'd consider meeting up with. Just curious what other peoples experiences are?[/QUOTE]Have met 2, what do you want to know? They live, breathe, fuck and nothing's like on webcam, if you were interested in that part of it. One was an insane Venezuelan with a couple of friends in the same business, who would've been available apparently. She fucked like crazy and I ran out of cash accidentally, but she didn't care and kept on sending me pictures from her show. Lost interest after the first time, she was too tol. And the other was one a referral from another girl, would not repeat.

Both told me that this webcam shit is a show and they've been nothing like on cam IRL. Not sure that is the answer you were looking for.

But wondering about San Diego. La isla is charging 400 k for 45-1 HR everything but you have to add the 50 k entry and 180 k bucket price if you drink beer vs just going to a smaller club. San Diego is close but never been. Any idea from someone recently what cover, girls price total including room and like what a bucket of beer would cost? If you prefer to DM me its fine. Are the girls that much hotter at isla, f2. I was happy but not overly impressed at fase 2 o isla but it could have been the holiday crew.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2780734]Hi all, this is a pretty stupid post for some, but I really really have the itch to try BBFS. Never done it before, and I am getting into my 40's soon. So, was really hoping to get some BB action once or twice atleast during this upcoming trip to Medellin. Need your advice.

I realize that there is a risk factor that is not zero for sure. But, I am trying to minimize HIV risk as much as possible. So, was hoping to see only selectively someone who is having a family, has kids, is not a 'professional' who is visiting strip clubs etc. I. e. Someone who is homely person and not going out for sex every other day with strangers. I think I have found a few FB girls like that profile. I am planning to carry the oraquick hiv test kit with me and have the girl do a quick saliva test before the act.

Any ideas on what the risk factor could be in the above for contracting hiv? Sorry I know I am being too paranoid / asking a stupid question, but hopefully you understand from the pov of someone who has never had BBFS before.[/QUOTE]There are some drugs that you can take to minimize the risk of HIV during your trip. PrEP pills. You can read about it on the internet. I actually have more concerns about catching STDs when I bareback. Herpes, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis are real risks. The more you bareback, the more likely you will eventually catch something. Just the nature of the beast. If you really want to minimize catching something, one strategy would be to have the girl take a STD and HIV test and then spend your trip with your special tested girl or two. If you do that, you don't have to have the criteria of kids, etc. So far I have been lucky and have tested negative after two trips in Medellin with barebacking.

As for taking the risk of barebacking and there are real risks as you know, there is something really pleasurable about sliding your cock bareback into a young attractive girl's tight wet pussy. Can't beat that feeling.

Hello.

Preparing for my up coming trip to Medellin and reaching out on SA and Facebook initially and see what's available and pricing.

I am getting some crazy prices from the ladies $250 US for some and when I asked for Pesos 1,100 mil and another one asked $800 mil raw WTF.

Its crazy.

Granted I just started and the chicks closer to 30 yrs old I guess more experienced are asking more. Last year I was paying around 250 mil.

[QUOTE=Butch145;2780894]Hello.

Preparing for my up coming trip to Medellin and reaching out on SA and Facebook initially and see what's available and pricing.

I am getting some crazy prices from the ladies $250 US for some and when I asked for Pesos 1,100 mil and another one asked $800 mil raw WTF.

Its crazy.

Granted I just started and the chicks closer to 30 yrs old I guess more experienced are asking more. Last year I was paying around 250 mil.[/QUOTE]Prices are similar to what you paid last year - 200 to 300 mil seems to be the going rate still based on last trip two months ago. You are just finding the wrong girls right now but keep looking and you will be fine.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/prep/index.html[/URL]

Take PrEP which will significantly reduce your risks to HIV. You may still get exposed to other STDs but those are treatable.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2780734]Hi all, this is a pretty stupid post for some, but I really really have the itch to try BBFS. Never done it before, and I am getting into my 40's soon. So, was really hoping to get some BB action once or twice atleast during this upcoming trip to Medellin. Need your advice.

I realize that there is a risk factor that is not zero for sure. But, I am trying to minimize HIV risk as much as possible. So, was hoping to see only selectively someone who is having a family, has kids, is not a 'professional' who is visiting strip clubs etc. I. e. Someone who is homely person and not going out for sex every other day with strangers. I think I have found a few FB girls like that profile. I am planning to carry the oraquick hiv test kit with me and have the girl do a quick saliva test before the act.

Any ideas on what the risk factor could be in the above for contracting hiv? Sorry I know I am being too paranoid / asking a stupid question, but hopefully you understand from the pov of someone who has never had BBFS before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2780734]Hi all, this is a pretty stupid post for some, but I really really have the itch to try BBFS. Never done it before, and I am getting into my 40's soon. So, was really hoping to get some BB action once or twice atleast during this upcoming trip to Medellin. Need your advice.

I realize that there is a risk factor that is not zero for sure. But, I am trying to minimize HIV risk as much as possible. So, was hoping to see only selectively someone who is having a family, has kids, is not a 'professional' who is visiting strip clubs etc. I. e. Someone who is homely person and not going out for sex every other day with strangers. I think I have found a few FB girls like that profile. I am planning to carry the oraquick hiv test kit with me and have the girl do a quick saliva test before the act.

Any ideas on what the risk factor could be in the above for contracting hiv? Sorry I know I am being too paranoid / asking a stupid question, but hopefully you understand from the pov of someone who has never had BBFS before.[/QUOTE]If you're that worried about it just take prep a few days before and after you do it. Truvada, Biktarvy, Apretude, Cabotegravir shot, etc. Do some research to mitigate your risk.

[QUOTE=Butch145;2780894]Preparing for my up coming trip to Medellin and reaching out on SA and Facebook initially and see what's available and pricing.

I am getting some crazy prices from the ladies $250 US for some and when I asked for Pesos 1,100 mil and another one asked $800 mil raw WTF.

Its crazy.

Granted I just started and the chicks closer to 30 yrs old I guess more experienced are asking more. Last year I was paying around 250 mil.[/QUOTE]Stop being cheap and pay it. It costs less than home. Everybody knows all the elite top shelf chicks are on SA. Why are you trying to cheap out on them? They know their worth.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2779965]You're getting the best bargain in the world- cheap hotels, cheap food, and cheap top shelf pussy. Stop whining.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Butch145;2780894]Hello.

Preparing for my up coming trip to Medellin and reaching out on SA and Facebook initially and see what's available and pricing.

I am getting some crazy prices from the ladies $250 US for some and when I asked for Pesos 1,100 mil and another one asked $800 mil raw WTF.

Its crazy.

Granted I just started and the chicks closer to 30 yrs old I guess more experienced are asking more. Last year I was paying around 250 mil.[/QUOTE]Stating the obvious but you're doing something wrong. Keep trying to improve your delivery. Don't ask for raw like on your first message. For sure the 30 year old chicas are fine with normal prices. Don't ask them how much. Tell them you pay 200 or 250 mil if they want to visit you. In the heat of the moment, if they insist on using a condom, tell them you are willing to pay a propina for bareback if that's what you want. My experience it's the 18 and 19 year old post covid chicas expecting crazy money like 350 or even 400 mil pesos.

Maybe you're fishing in the wrong pond and haven't found the Bello chicas. At least half of the FB chicas live up north there. Search in the reports of distinction how to find the Facebook chicas.

If any chica wants to discuss prices in dollars tell her to change over to COP. If she doesn't change then ignore her and move on to the other chicas. There are so many so don't get overly focused on one for any reason. And never ever discuss prices with the chicas in dollars. Never!

[QUOTE=Milovanovic;2780843]Have met 2, what do you want to know? They live, breathe, fuck and nothing's like on webcam, if you were interested in that part of it.

Both told me that this webcam shit is a show and they've been nothing like on cam IRL. Not sure that is the answer you were looking for.[/QUOTE]Because mfs want the fantasy to be reality. After filling up on porn all of their lives, nobody expects to have a shit coated dick after they pull it out of a chick's ass for the first time. The movie did not show that part. Remember Henry Winkler is afraid to death of motorcycles, but he sure made a good Fonzie.

[QUOTE=Butch145;2780894]Hello.

Preparing for my up coming trip to Medellin and reaching out on SA and Facebook initially and see what's available and pricing.

I am getting some crazy prices from the ladies $250 US for some and when I asked for Pesos 1,100 mil and another one asked $800 mil raw WTF.

Its crazy.

Granted I just started and the chicks closer to 30 yrs old I guess more experienced are asking more. Last year I was paying around 250 mil.[/QUOTE]When is your trip? I'm in town now and I'm dropping 150 to 300 COP range. And don't put all yours eggs on Facebook and seeking. Your option will be limitless here. You got the brothels. They come up in either a silk top or lingerie and showcase in front of you. Above 7's in my opinion. The two I pick are solid 8. One of them got her WhatsApp number and brought her to my place for 2 more rounds bare. But so far, I been to energy and tantra and no complaints what so ever. All under 170 for the hour at the spa.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2780803]I have travelled all over the world and Colombia is the only country in which I was attacked. Twice. I have no illusions. Nevertheless Germany is the only country in which I had stuff actually stolen, go figure.[/QUOTE]Only time I was attacked broad daylight and people everywhere but nobody gets involved buy more bad people. One turned into five. Phone taken but when they ran they ran into police a block away and I got my phone back and the one guy got his ass kicked by the police. Gave both police 80,000 the next day. -Mercedes Park Cucuta.

First time bitten by a dog in well lit shopping area at night. Dogs run in packs late at night and many streets are pitch black. If even two go into attack mode you could be maimed or killed. -Cucuta.

Walked down a street with dogs in the daytime and no problems because owners and people out. But when I returned later that night (well lit street) the dogs got territorial and followed me growling. - Nicaragua.

I avoid going out at night in most areas now and carry pepper spray. Silly girl in Medellin saw my can and I explained what it was. But that was not enough. When I was in the shower she pushed the button for just a second. But with the fan on. Well we were coughing hard and could not stop. Snot running out our noses. Ahhh the good times!

[QUOTE=Butch145;2780894]Hello.

Preparing for my up coming trip to Medellin and reaching out on SA and Facebook initially and see what's available and pricing.

I am getting some crazy prices from the ladies $250 US for some and when I asked for Pesos 1,100 mil and another one asked $800 mil raw WTF.

Its crazy.

Granted I just started and the chicks closer to 30 yrs old I guess more experienced are asking more. Last year I was paying around 250 mil.[/QUOTE]Keep looking. The price range is much bigger in Medellin because it's a very popular mongering city and prices have increased a lot the past year. I had one quote me $200 USD for a day. Another wanted 450 K COP per hour and wouldn't lower the rate even if I wanted to meet longer. I passed on both of them and found women who would spend half the day with me for 500 K or less (after our initial date of 2-3 hours).

And as some of the other members suggested, look for other opportunities (prepagos, brothels, etc.) because the women online might reschedule or cancel last minute.

[QUOTE=DudeNgso;2767652]As I recently posted, here's the report I promised. Quick background, first time to MDE. Been to the Su many times in past and a few other places. I'm going to try to write this with newbies in mind and hopefully it is useful and maybe even interesting to vets. I will preface it by saying, I got very useful info on this site. But damn had to sift through 100's of pages and 6 months worth to get some of my basic questions answered. I dare not post and ask fir a little help, as seems anyone who does is told to RTFF. Thar's a shame. I get it about the guys asking a million questions. But I just wanted basics, girl friendly hotels, what to watch out for at airport and other scamd, best areas, where and how the casas work. Anyway, here goes. I'll focus on everything else here, and the girls in another post.

I went for a full week, weekend to weekend. I was supposed to gave a wingman but he bailed, no. Problem fot me. Based on board input I considered Poblado (Hotel M or otherwise), El Centro, and Laureles.

I crossed off staying in El Centro as a first timer for obvious reasons. I liked how Poblado sounded wirh more gringos and a target rich nice area. But wanting something different from the Su and over-commercialization of our little hobby, I chose Laureles. Not only did I want to avoid the constant hussle and poor service in the Su now, I also didn't like the thought of being a target just by being in Poblado.

I stayed at Hotel Dorado la 70 in Laureles. I really liked it there. I knew from the board it is not a target rich area, but is nice, close to El Centro, safe and anything you need in walking distance. I saw a few gringo tourists, but it is mainly an upscale (by Colombia standards) local community. I felt very safe walking around even at night, although I did not venture farby foot. Everything can be found in 4 or 5 blocks on that main street right in front of hotel. It is very vibrant with open restaurants, clubs and bars, street vendors, etc. It goes late night. It is noisy but walls are pretty sound proofed...[/QUOTE]Late question but you mention that you stay at Hotel Dorado la 70 and its chica friendly, I want to know do you book it for single guest or double occupancy, I am worried that they be not give me hard time due to that when I reach there, thanks in advance.

Fantastic advice. I had not thought about PREP and just read about it online. Going to an appointment to a planned parenthood tomorrow. I don't want to have any paper trails etc. So, will be avoiding using insurance information. I believe the generic prep pills are pretty cheap. But, just in case, I decide to use the truvada / descovy, would you know if I use the insurance, will they send any kind of paperwork / bills to my home? I really hope not, and get in trouble with family.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2780881]There are some drugs that you can take to minimize the risk of HIV during your trip. PrEP pills. You can read about it on the internet. I actually have more concerns about catching STDs when I bareback. Herpes, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis are real risks. The more you bareback, the more likely you will eventually catch something. Just the nature of the beast. If you really want to minimize catching something, one strategy would be to have the girl take a STD and HIV test and then spend your trip with your special tested girl or two. If you do that, you don't have to have the criteria of kids, etc. So far I have been lucky and have tested negative after two trips in Medellin with barebacking.

As for taking the risk of barebacking and there are real risks as you know, there is something really pleasurable about sliding your cock bareback into a young attractive girl's tight wet pussy. Can't beat that feeling.[/QUOTE]

Fantastic advice. I had not thought about PREP and just read about it online. Going to an appointment to a planned parenthood tomorrow. I don't want to have any paper trails etc. So, will be avoiding using insurance information. I believe the generic prep pills are pretty cheap. But, just in case, I decide to use the truvada / descovy, would you know if I use the insurance, will they send any kind of paperwork / bills to my home? I really hope not, and get in trouble with family.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2780913]If you're that worried about it just take prep a few days before and after you do it. Truvada, Biktarvy, Apretude, Cabotegravir shot, etc. Do some research to mitigate your risk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2780944]Because mfs want the fantasy to be reality. After filling up on porn all of their lives, nobody expects to have a shit coated dick after they pull it out of a chick's ass for the first time. The movie did not show that part. [/QUOTE]Ummm. What LOL. Not sure what type of nasty chicks you been fucking in the ass, but the none of the chicks not even the first timers I've done it with never left shit on my dick LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2780924]Stop being cheap and pay it. It costs less than home. Everybody knows all the elite top shelf chicks are on SA. Why are you trying to cheap out on them? They know their worth.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well he can't be that cheap if he paid the membership to use seeking.

You are splitting hairs. So the shit was left on the condom instead of your dick. But seriously, it's likely you would find some shit unless you go necro.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781045]Ummm. What LOL. Not sure what type of nasty chicks you been fucking in the ass, but the none of the chicks not even the first timers I've done it with never left shit on my dick LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781045]Ummm. What LOL. Not sure what type of nasty chicks you been fucking in the ass, but the none of the chicks not even the first timers I've done it with never left shit on my dick LOL.[/QUOTE]It's like I always say. If you're going to fuck a lot of pretty girls in the ass, then you're just going to have to take a little shit every now and again! After all, it's called a poop chute for a reason LOL! That said, I've been quite fortunate over the years and have encountered hardly any "bad" situations. But there have been some. Maybe a handful or so. Most girls who butt fuck a lot tend to prepare themselves. Like the porn star Elisa Sanches in Brazil. She took an enema before I cornholed (on two different occasions) in my hotel room.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2778515]It is with great resentment and sadness that I am about to post what I am going to post but I feel as though the information needs to be out there to help fellow mongers in medellin to avoid what happened to me.

So anyways I just recently got back to medellin after having been gone for 2 months working in the US. I had been messaging this lesbian marimacha chick that I met on a previous trip back in May while I was on my way here. It turns out she was also pregnant and I kinda have a fetish for pregnant women LOL.

Anyways so as soon as I arrived I grabbed the bus from the airport (which is now 14 mil by the way) and headed to terminal del norte. I had Yei (the pregnant lesbian chick) meet me there, and since I had my suitcase and backpack and all my belongings with me I told her I wanted to go to my apartment in santo domingo (I know big mistake, especially with a chick I've only seen one time prior). Anyways we make it back to my place, everything is in order just how I left it in November. She says she wanted a beer an guila light, I tell her she shouldn't be drinking since she is 8 months pregnant but I guess one light beer wouldn't hurt. I then go to the local tienda in my barrio and buy 2 Aguila lights and come back. I open them both and take a swig of mine and then hop in the shower since I was all sweaty and hadn't showered since I left California. When I get out of the shower yei is in my room mopping up something on the floor and I'm like what happened and she's like oh I accidentally spilled the beers. And I'm like ok whatever. So then I go to grab my beer and low and behold the beer is more full than it had been after my first swig before I got in the shower. Upon further inspection I also noticed that it had alot more foam than it did before my shower and it had some kind of white powder on the neck of the bottle. So I questioned her about it but she denied putting anything in my beer, I however didn't believe her and I went and dumped it out. We then proceeded to have a BBFS session which actually was really good and exactly what I wanted just as good as the first time I saw her back in May. Then afterwards she started complaining that her barriga was hurting and that she didn't feel she could walk all the way down the hillsbof my barrio down to where taxis and cars pass by and that she wanted her girlfriend to come get her so we could both help her walk. I knew something fishy was going on but against my better judgment I gave her my address to give to her girlfriend to grab a taxi, but the address isn't exact because I don't know the interior number and all cars can't pass all the way up here just motos and pedestrians because the road gets too narrow. So when the girlfriend arrived I had to go down to get her. During this time when I left yei alone in my apartment she got into my backpack and took my laptop, my tablet, and a cheap Sony cybershot camera and put them into her backpack that she had brought with her. My dumbass being too trusting didn't think to double check my backpack until after the girlfriend and I helped her down the hill and into a taxi. And when I got back I checked and of course my shit was gone. Luckily everything was all cheap shit tho. The laptop was $100 on black Friday at best buy it was a Lenovo IdeaPad I1 with barebones specs, I just use it to hook up to the TV to watch movies and shows I have downloaded on hard drives. She also got my tablet which was some cheap shit from Walmart called Onn that was like $70 maybe, and she also got my Sony w800 cybershot camera also worth about $70 oh and my cell phone charger was missing as well. The stupid * actually left behind things that were more valuable than what she took, such as my 2 western digital 10 TB hard drives and an original JBL Bluetooth speaker among other things.

Anyways I have attached pictures of the lesbian chick and her girlfriend as well as her Facebook profile and pictures of the residual powder on the beer bottle (after I had dumped it out).

The marimacha goes by Yei Sanchez and the girlfriend (the fem lesbian) goes by Joanna Gomez or Reichell Gomez. They work in the Botero area and stay in a pagodiario in prado.

I guess I always learn the hard way, I know better than to bring chicas back to my place especially one's I don't really know that well, I was thinking with my dick instead of my head and after I noticed the powder on the beer I honestly don't know why I didn't throw the * out of my apartment right away. The good news is that I didn't drink the beer, I didn't pass out or even die, and while I'm out about $250 usd worth of electronics, I can always buy those things back again and it honestly wouldn't put much of a dent in my wallet at the moment.

Please be careful out there guys. This is the first time anything like this has ever happened to me in all the 5 years I've been coming to Colombia, but it seems to me that people are robbing and stealing more than they used to. A friend of mine recently had his IPhone stolen in Centro and even a vennie I know had her phone stolen as well. This for me is just a lesson to learn about not being so trusting of people which really I already knew but I guess I was just getting to confident or too comfortable, but it could have turned out much worse.[/QUOTE]Appreciate you sharing, glad you didn't get drugged. That scope is some serious shit. If you have a weak or older heart and get the wrong dose you could end up in the hospital or worse.

A friend of mine was robbed this past weekend in his AIRBNB, two perpetrators were somehow able to get into the building and were waiting outside the door of his apartment when he opened it up to leave. Not sure how long they were waiting in the hallway or why no neighbors saw anything, I mean it's their building too. One guy had a revolver, held at his side, not pointed, and stood back while the main thief who did all the talking had a knife. They got everything of value except his passport, THC gummies and a money belt, which my buddy considered a win since the belt has 500 USD.

Supposedly the police didn't seem to care, had a "so what, another foreigner got robbed, I need to get home to eat supper". The security cameras have a technical difficulty so there is no tape.

My buddy didn't resist. He was not hurt, he didn't have any girls with him and no one knew he was there and what was the address, except for me and obviously the airbnb owner.

I feel bad but I work from home in Medellin and can't really have guests stay over during this critical time at work, it would be too distracting, so I recommended an airBnb near me in the Boston / Buenos Aires area. Crime and homelessness is up a little bit here but I never thought it was this bad.

I am recommending a hotel from now on to anyone coming down. It seems all the protective measures in place with airBnB are for the owner and not the guest.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2781189]
A friend of mine was robbed this past weekend in his AIRBNB, two perpetrators were somehow able to get into the building and were waiting outside the door of his apartment when he opened it up to leave. Not sure how long they were waiting in the hallway or why no neighbors saw anything, I mean it's their building too. One guy had a revolver, held at his side, not pointed, and stood back while the main thief who did all the talking had a knife. They got everything of value except his passport, THC gummies and a money belt, which my buddy considered a win since the belt has 500 USD..[/QUOTE]Is this common? Was he in some bad area or unknown building, no security? I can't imagine this in the known gringo and tourist airbnb's.

How bad is the crime really, or is it just many more foreigners are coming to MDE these days, can you be robbed in Parque Lleras walking around where it's usually full of police present, or robbed in a taxi? I've always taken street taxis in the past and never had an issue, hope is still safe these days.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2778225]Stay in a hotel or apartment building that requires the chicas to register with their cedulas.[/QUOTE]Any suggestion?

Hello everyone, I'm planning to fuck a few girls raw. I need a clinic where I can get myself and the girls tested. Any suggestion for a clinic in Medellin for a good price and fast turnaround? Thanks in advance.

I'm surprised that out of visiting all those places you haven't yet tried Bogota? There's some info in the other areas section of this forum on Cucuta but it gives the impression opposite to what we would think. I imagine Cucuta as being this place with tons of young, cute vennies that set up shop here when the reality seems to be that while there are some, the scene is fairly small and the majority are probably headed toward Bogota anyways as their first main stop. Anyways this is the Medellin forum so won't clog it up but check out my post from about a month ago in Bog. Good luck.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2780571]So. I've always based myself in Medellin / Laureles. I just love it there, but I get feeling guilty for not checking out other spots. I've been to Pereira, Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta. I'm on my way back in a couple weeks. Anywhere else I should be checking out? I keep hearing about Cucut, Cali has always been interesting, and prices look REALLY good in Bucaramanga. Or should I just stay in Laureles again?[/QUOTE]

I arrive at 0700 into MDE (Jan 30th) and booked my first night at the Mansion. They don't allow early check-in (Check-in is at 3 pm) although maybe I can give the front desk a nice tip and see if they can help me out. I don't want to waste any time getting to fun. They said my belongings would be safe at the front desk but I'm a little hesitant to leave passport, cards, cash etc and sure as hell not going to go out with it all on me.

Any ideas how I can safely store my stuff and go on the prowl. I guess worst case I could find a cheap hotel for a few hours.

Where is the best place to get a local sim card and exchange cash?

[QUOTE=YngMong;2781267]I arrive at 0700 into MDE (Jan 30th) and booked my first night at the Mansion. They don't allow early check-in (Check-in is at 3 pm) although maybe I can give the front desk a nice tip and see if they can help me out. [/QUOTE]Should have paid for the day before you arrive. Who is to say there will even be a room available at that time.

[QUOTE=OnTheRoad;2781199]Any suggestion?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

[QUOTE=YngMong;2781267] Where is the best place to get a local sim card and exchange cash?[/QUOTE]Sim card? People still use those? Hahaha jk. I need a sim card for my burner phone too. The real question is do those sim cards they sell work with locked phones tied to only one network?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2781154]It's like I always say. If you're going to fuck a lot of pretty girls in the ass, then you're just going to have to take a little shit every now and again! [/QUOTE]Damn LOL well hopefully I don't get jinxed.

Incoherently written first timer recap by a hobbyist seasoned around the globe.

I try to RTFF but also Colombia threads bloated with users off topic flame war each other really threw a wrench in my conquest.

A week before my flight I did the ISG strat to send friend requests on FB and out of 80 requests, 2 confirmed me day before flight. That's when I knew this might get a little bumpy.

Ultimately my past hobby xp of parachute into a locale, check into hotel, and meet girl an hour later kind of ruined me. That approach simply doesn't exist in Medellin.

Medellin is not a quick strike setting. It requires time, commitment, other re $ources to a point to indulge you have to plan on Medellin being your only hobby destination and have no time to hobby outside of Colombia.

The ISGers speaking highly of Medellin didn't bud overnight. Their black book took months or years or expat abroad status to have connections they're enjoying. If you're one of those congrats. Keep doing what you're doing and I salute and envy you.

However if you're a casual once every 3-5 years type visitor, Medellin might not bear the results you were hoping to indulge. There are options, but they're geared more towards locals who are too drunk to care if the girl doesn't match girl in pics. And overpriced escorts too.

Know Spanish. Have some game. And most importantly plan on visiting 3-4 times / year. Even your first visit will require additional planning of some way some how getting contacts weeks before your arrival to make sure your starting point goes smoothly, which starts to sound like a Catch 22. If this is for you, then by all means.

I don't know how else to explain it.

Interested in knowing this as well.

[QUOTE=Fracassoa;2781213]Hello everyone, I'm planning to fuck a few girls raw. I need a clinic where I can get myself and the girls tested. Any suggestion for a clinic in Medellin for a good price and fast turnaround? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Anyone here who would like to hit Medellin El Centro together during daytime for safety?

I'm in my 30's /40's, would be nice to meet someone so we can watch our backs more.

How can we keep in touch, I have no idea how the btcs payments work.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2781338]Incoherently written first timer recap by a hobbyist seasoned around the globe.

I try to RTFF but also Colombia threads bloated with users off topic flame war each other really threw a wrench in my conquest.

Ultimately my past hobby xp of parachute into a locale, check into hotel, and meet girl an hour later kind of ruined me. That approach simply doesn't exist in Medellin.

Medellin is not a quick strike setting..[/QUOTE]Definitely incoherent. How can different discussions in a forum cause a person not to get laid? With all the cheap casas and strip clubs around, the only excuse is staring you in the mirror. According to your reports, you are causing yourself not to get laid. Next time try leaving the hotel before declaring it is impossible to get laid without being there 3 years. Well I can't even say that. Because in Rio you did leave the hotel and had other board members guiding you around, yet still made all the excuses why you could not get laid; one being that $40 for a chick that ticked all your boxes was too expensive.

[QUOTE=Fracassoa;2781213]Hello everyone, I'm planning to fuck a few girls raw. I need a clinic where I can get myself and the girls tested. Any suggestion for a clinic in Medellin for a good price and fast turnaround? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Lab Proanalab provides "Servicio domicilio". They come to your apartment and send the results by email or WhatsApp the same day. I paid 60 mil each for HIV (VIH) and syphilis (sfilis) tests. Best to send a WhatsApp to arrange the visit. There are walk-in clinics where you might pay somewhat less and perhaps get HIV results while you wait. Results for other STDs probably take longer.

Med Lab Proanalab Servicio domicilio.
+57 316 6551205.
[EMAIL]validacionesproanalabsas@gmail.com

For other clinics that provide STD testing on a walk-in or domicilio basis, Google "Pruebas de ETS en Medellin" ETS is the abbreviation for "enfermedad de transmisiand sexual".

[QUOTE=TheCane;2781154]It's like I always say. If you're going to fuck a lot of pretty girls in the ass, then you're just going to have to take a little shit every now and again! After all, it's called a poop chute for a reason LOL! That said, I've been quite fortunate over the years and have encountered hardly any "bad" situations. But there have been some. Maybe a handful or so. Most girls who butt fuck a lot tend to prepare themselves. Like the porn star Elisa Sanches in Brazil. She took an enema before I cornholed (on two different occasions) in my hotel room.[/QUOTE]I agree. In porn, all the girls who do anal prep beforehand and do enemas. That is why the cocks come out clean. If you see a girl and don't request an enema beforehand, like most guys, and then want anal, the girl is not going to do any prep work. Everyone goes to take a shit and wipes on the outside but in most cases there will be residue inside the anal cavity. If you going to enter the ass, you may get some of that residue on your cock. The more girls you take, the more likely it is going to happen. That has been my experience with brown stains on my condom from time to time. Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don't. But it has nothing to do with the girl being nasty or dirty. It has everything to do with prep work beforehand for the girl.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2781338]Incoherently written first timer recap by a hobbyist seasoned around the globe.

I try to RTFF but also Colombia threads bloated with users off topic flame war each other really threw a wrench in my conquest.

A week before my flight I did the ISG strat to send friend requests on FB and out of 80 requests, 2 confirmed me day before flight. That's when I knew this might get a little bumpy.

Ultimately my past hobby xp of parachute into a locale, check into hotel, and meet girl an hour later kind of ruined me. That approach simply doesn't exist in Medellin.

Medellin is not a quick strike setting. It requires time, commitment, other re $ources to a point to indulge you have to plan on Medellin being your only hobby destination and have no time to hobby outside of Colombia.

The ISGers speaking highly of Medellin didn't bud overnight. Their black book took months or years or expat abroad status to have connections they're enjoying. If you're one of those congrats. Keep doing what you're doing and I salute and envy you...[/QUOTE]There are quick and easy brothels in El Centro that have been discussed here such as New Energy. You don't have to know anything, just the address of these casas like New Energy. You go in, you pick your girl and you screw and you pay a reasonable amount. There are also higher end strip clubs that have been mentioned where you can have sex in house. So for newbies there are some places to go for easy sex without much work.

As for Facebook, yes, you do need to do some advance work to make friend requests and for the girls to get around to accepting it and then for some chatting. It doesn't take months or years but it would take a few weeks before the trip. But it is true that those who have been doing it for a while have a blackbook of FB girls that makes it much easier because the girls know them and will meet with them quickly when they are in town for a price that has already been agreed upon.

It is better to know some Spanish but you don't have to be fluent. I just speak a little Spanish, just enough to get by. I probably spend 5 minutes every two days to learn a little Spanish and that is all the effort I make. You don't need game to meet with girls who are pay for play. You just need money.

But as you noted, Medellin is not as easy as Pattaya, Thailand, or some other mongering cities.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2781415]Definitely incoherent. How can different discussions in a forum cause a person not to get laid? With all the cheap casas and strip clubs around, the only excuse is staring you in the mirror. According to your reports, you are causing yourself not to get laid. Next time try leaving the hotel before declaring it is impossible to get laid without being there 3 years. Well I can't even say that. Because in Rio you did leave the hotel and had other board members guiding you around, yet still made all the excuses why you could not get laid; one being that $40 for a chick that ticked all your boxes was too expensive.[/QUOTE]Bro you got to know you're really fucking up when even Mr. E is ready to call you cheap LOL! Sounds like you needed to stay home until you could get your money all the way right. Because I don't care what anybody says. When you add it all up (travel, lodging, meals, poontang, miscellaneous) overseas mongering is relatively expensive. And if you can't fork over $40 for a chica who otherwise ticks all your boxes because that costs too much, then you're in the wrong hobby bro. Just saying.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2781267]I arrive at 0700 into MDE (Jan 30th) and booked my first night at the Mansion. They don't allow early check-in (Check-in is at 3 pm) although maybe I can give the front desk a nice tip and see if they can help me out. I don't want to waste any time getting to fun. They said my belongings would be safe at the front desk but I'm a little hesitant to leave passport, cards, cash etc and sure as hell not going to go out with it all on me.

Any ideas how I can safely store my stuff and go on the prowl. I guess worst case I could find a cheap hotel for a few hours.

Where is the best place to get a local sim card and exchange cash?[/QUOTE]Getting sim is real easy, although not sure how far you would have to walk or cab from the Mansion. Basically, any store you see that has sign of Tigo, Claro will have a sim (usually 5000 peso) + recagar (recharge) for 20-40 mil depends on how many days you want.

As far as exchange cash, I use ATM for best conversion and convenient. Your bank might charge you ATM fee 5-10 usd or whatever, MAKE SURE you decline conversion rate (high mark up from ATM).

I don't see there is a big issue leaving your luggage at the Mansion and venture out. If you are concern about that then you can buy a small TSA lock to lock your luggage, it's cheap on amazon.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2781476]Getting sim is real easy, although not sure how far you would have to walk or cab from the Mansion. Basically, any store you see that has sign of Tigo, Claro will have a sim (usually 5000 peso) + recagar (recharge) for 20-40 mil depends on how many days you want.

As far as exchange cash, I use ATM for best conversion and convenient. Your bank might charge you ATM fee 5-10 usd or whatever, MAKE SURE you decline conversion rate (high mark up from ATM).

I don't see there is a big issue leaving your luggage at the Mansion and venture out. If you are concern about that then you can buy a small TSA lock to lock your luggage, it's cheap on amazon.[/QUOTE]He can get a sim card a block away from the Mansion. I agree there should be no problem with dropping luggage at the desk. There are several currency exchange places at Oviedo mall, 5 minutes walk away.

However, he might want to recargar his phone. Recagar would mean "to shit again. ".

Thanks for the report. Did you have any issues with bringing in the girls? Planning a trip for next month and looking at either Hotel Park 10 or Intercontinental.

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2641728]First time poster, long time reader. As I am concluding five months in Medellin I thought I would share what I have been up to.

About me: mid thirties, work remotely, experienced monger, conversational Spanish skills. Not my first time in Colombia. Previously short trips to Bogota and Cartagena.

I stayed in Poblado close to Provenza and Parque Lleras. I highly recommend Lettera Hotel. I do not recommend Dann Carlton, 23 Hotel. Charlee Hotel or Park 10.

I also stayed at the Intercontinental in Las Palmas which I liked but it's not walking distance to Provenza / Lleras. Great restaurant and grill there. Big pool. Gym. Very nice.

Primary hunting ground was Seeking. Lots of girls available. Negotiated up front and then sent them an Uber and had them dropped off directly at my hotel. Very easy. Very efficient.

I spent a lot of time at Parque Lleras when I first arrived. Highly amusing but gets old after a few weeks. Tons and tons of girls on the weekends. It's certainly a sight to see. I recommend the hookah bar with green lights with a perfect view of the busiest corner in the park. Invite a girl up for a drink and send her back if she's not for you. A hundred more are waiting.

Casas: Checked out Newlife but didn't like any of the girls. Paid the viewing fee and left. Went to Spa Energias. Didn't like the line up but picked a young Venezuelan. Never returned to either casa.

Went to Loutron's one night. Small line up. Mostly girls who had been operated on. Not my style but picked a girl. Terrible service. Upsold me but failed to deliver the goods. Had the audacity to ask me for a tip at the end. Do not recommend this establishment.

Checked out La Isla but left within 15 minutes of arrived. The girls started harassing me for tips before I had even gotten a drink and watched a dance.

The girls at the Do Men's Spa below Diez Hotel in Poblado are available for whatever you can negotiate. The massages however are mediocre.

Overall, I had a great time here. I definitely recommend visiting Medellin. Having said that, I prefer la playa why el sol. Headed to the DR next.[/QUOTE]

So just doing the research online here are some answers. First if you have a newer phone it has esim capabilities, I've used it in Mexico. What's nice about it is, there is no changing or a card, you can have it ready to work as soon as you land, it will connect to the local network and there are different packages you can choose from, Also no need to register it with your passport locally. I think the drawback is you can't actually makes calls its only data driven but you can still use WhatsApp, facebook, instagram. Thats what I will be doing when I arrive when I'm out and about. When at my airbnb wifi is king.

I know its been talked about but the best exchange rate is an ATM, If you don't have a card though that picks up the ATM fees then it may add up in the long run. I know my bank can order currency but their exchange rate sucked. You maybe be able to find a currency exchange place (San Francisco is suppose to have one) but you might get charged a fee to do it. ATM the best way to go though.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2781267]I arrive at 0700 into MDE (Jan 30th) and booked my first night at the Mansion. They don't allow early check-in (Check-in is at 3 pm) although maybe I can give the front desk a nice tip and see if they can help me out. I don't want to waste any time getting to fun. They said my belongings would be safe at the front desk but I'm a little hesitant to leave passport, cards, cash etc and sure as hell not going to go out with it all on me.

Any ideas how I can safely store my stuff and go on the prowl. I guess worst case I could find a cheap hotel for a few hours.

Where is the best place to get a local sim card and exchange cash?[/QUOTE]

I had a flight to and from MDE, but it was cancelled. I went to their website and they have no flights out of MDE after the first week.

Anyone know what is going on?

I texted them to get my refund, and they told me it had something to do with COVID cases in Medellin.

Emerelda.

180 + 100 propina for oral naturale (yeah I know).

I'the been pounding some of my regulars and decided I wanted to see a line up.

Nothing really caught my eye except for this super cute button-nose light cinnamon paísa. She was petite with extra perky be cups that were pierced. We get to the room.

And she was just all business. Her body.

Was tight a cute little ass you could use as a. Nightstand. She gave me a massage on my back that lasted 3 min, did the flip.

Then rubbed my Johnson. She reaches for the rubber but I ask for oral naturale. Hits me with 100 mil! I swear this is the standard energy markup. Ok I paid it, I will say her mouth was smooth except this BJ lasted like 45 seconds. On the rubber went, she was tight but man it was just nothing there, no passion. Tried to do missionary and same with doggy with That gourgeous ass but damn wasn't really into it. Took the rubber off and had her finish me off. The hand job wasn't even good and I had to do it myself to get close and then let her drive for the finish. If you see her. Just pass.

Emmy 500 k SA.

Been on a streak with girls in seeking I pretty much only go there now. Something about light eyes paísa that makes me go extra hard.

We talked back and forth. She lives in the south so it's like an extra hour for her to get To my place. We had been chatting for a while. I asked that she not dress like a prepago and dress conservative, she more then passed that test. She wore a black sweater with a white collar underneath (I would later find out the white collar shirt was actually a fake shirt that is really a bra made to look like a colllared shirt (in guessing something a webcammer might wear etc) and a short jean skirt. We had some drinks, talked and made out. Finally we were getting down to biz. She agreed to BB and I showed her my test. It was on. She is 5 2 and weighrs like 103 lbs. But let me tell you when she took off that shirt and collar I couldn't belive she was hiding perfect full see natural tits! Light pink brown nips that matched her super light skin. She started with a massage but without lotion is wasn't enjoyable. Then she flipped me and gave me an amazing BJ that lasted like 15 minutes. She sucked and I wanted to give her a facial. She was horny and she saw my test from before so we hopped right on. Her Pussy is like silk and I can see a little pussy juice on my cock from the first insertion. I didn't last lost and pulled out and shot an 8 ropper all over her perky natural tits. She stayed like almost the whole night but I needed her gone because I had a flight to catch in the AM. SA is the best place for BB to be honest.

There are quick and easy brothels in El Centro that have been discussed here such as New Energy. You don't have to know anything, just the address of these casas like New Energy. Why.

Where the heck is New Energy? Never heard of it.

Dispute the credit card charge and use the money to buy a ticket on Jet Blue.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2781595]I had a flight to and from MDE, but it was cancelled. I went to their website and they have no flights out of MDE after the first week.

Anyone know what is going on?

I texted them to get my refund, and they told me it had something to do with COVID cases in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shemp;2781654]There are quick and easy brothels in El Centro that have been discussed here such as New Energy. You don't have to know anything, just the address of these casas like New Energy. Why.

Where the heck is New Energy? Never heard of it.[/QUOTE]I think you are mixing New Life with Energy (which also has another name which I can't recall at the moment). New Life is in Centro, whereas Energy is in Estadio area. But the point is valid, with proper address one can find these. Taxi drivers can anyway. Most of the time. On foot it is a challenge until you learn the address system, which has been covered on this forum in the past. And if you are looking for business sign or something to tell you that you are at the right place. Don't bother. Almost without exception these places have nothing to indicate you are at the right place, other than a buzzer, or door you can open and a buzzer inside to go through the next door.

Does anyone know of a place in Medellin similar to Nanxing (Bogota)?

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2781595]I had a flight to and from MDE, but it was cancelled. I went to their website and they have no flights out of MDE after the first week.

Anyone know what is going on?

I texted them to get my refund, and they told me it had something to do with COVID cases in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Not sure if it's airport itself? Or that city's government made ban of airline? As of last month when I hunted for airfare, Mexico's Viva Aerobus had same disclaimer for MEX-MDE "This route is suspended until further notice" but their MEX-BOG was still available. May have to infiltrate via Bogota then take a bus / plane to get to Medellin.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2781338]Incoherently written first timer recap by a hobbyist seasoned around the globe.

I try to RTFF but also Colombia threads bloated with users off topic flame war each other really threw a wrench in my conquest.

A week before my flight I did the ISG strat to send friend requests on FB and out of 80 requests, 2 confirmed me day before flight. That's when I knew this might get a little bumpy.

Ultimately my past hobby xp of parachute into a locale, check into hotel, and meet girl an hour later kind of ruined me. That approach simply doesn't exist in Medellin.

Medellin is not a quick strike setting. It requires time, commitment, other re $ources to a point to indulge you have to plan on Medellin being your only hobby destination and have no time to hobby outside of Colombia.

The ISGers speaking highly of Medellin didn't bud overnight. Their black book took months or years or expat abroad status to have connections they're enjoying. If you're one of those congrats. Keep doing what you're doing and I salute and envy you.

However if you're a casual once every 3-5 years type visitor, Medellin might not bear the results you were hoping to indulge. There are options, but they're geared more towards locals who are too drunk to care if the girl doesn't match girl in pics. And overpriced escorts too..[/QUOTE]There is some truth to this but its not all doom for virgin trippers. I think you will still wet your wicker considering so many online options for delivery (FB, tinder, CC, PP etc) but the quality of experiences are usually better for those that have built their black book over the years.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2781267]I arrive at 0700 into MDE (Jan 30th) and booked my first night at the Mansion. They don't allow early check-in (Check-in is at 3 pm) although maybe I can give the front desk a nice tip and see if they can help me out. I don't want to waste any time getting to fun. T...[/QUOTE]Cash: If you have to exchange cash. You can exchange some at the airport. Like others have said, ATM will be better.

SIM card:

There used to be a place similar to a bookstore or something on the second floor that you can get SIM card in the airport . You have to ask because it may not be on display. You can kill sometime while trying to find it but I don't know if it is still there.

Once you are in the city, if it is still early and you want to kill some time. Go to Botero Plaza to sightseeing. There is a WOM store by the white church Veracruz. They usually have staff that can speak English. You can pay 20 mil for 30 days or whatever days you need for less cost, but you need to have your passport with you. This will register your phone in their system so it won't be locked after 30 days. The official stores like this are more like full service and stores of this provider usually are less busy. The other providers often have longer lines I think because they offer more services

There is a cafe that is part of the museum. You can order something and sit on the patio to people watch if you have time to kill.

There are many neighborhood stores that sell SIM. These are like the airport one, and they may be able to help you setup SIM card and put data in your SIM.

Then there are street vendors. Yo can only buy SIM which is normally 5 mil but you can get it for 3 mil in some places. You need to go to GANA to show your phone number and name of the provider to put data on the phone. I think the least expensive plan is 5 mil. GANA is everywhere so you won't miss it.

Pictures:

The for sale sign next to the 000 is the WOM store location. You can see the white Veracruz church to the left.

You can kill more time to have lunch at the restaurant across from the white church. You can see all the actions from the patio, bring your binoculars. This picture is old. It now has a glass walkway.

Inflation has certainly caused Airbnb and hotel pricing to go up. The thing that gets to me is that its not 5 to 10%, a good number of Airbnb apartments are now priced 20 to 30% higher. This is especially true if its a new project or building. Most of the really good one bedroom or studios are no less than 80 a night, similar ones were 50 a night last year. I think someone mentioned Jan 1 being the time when govt allowed businesses to reprice their offerings. A number of apartments in primero park Laureles, Belen, Manila, Poblado and conquistadores neighborhoods are up at least 15%.

Perhaps we should all move to Bello. Jejejee.

How is Buenos Aires area? Esp. With the tram system that opened in 2021 I think its a very accessible part of the city close enough to Centro.

Hope this is temporary. And certainly, usd is not the sweet 5.2 cop it was 3 months ago.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2781313]Sim card? People still use those? Hahaha jk. I need a sim card for my burner phone too. The real question is do those sim cards they sell work with locked phones tied to only one network?[/QUOTE]No, they will not work in a locked phone.

What range have others been paying / offering to better quality SA girls recently? (I know YMMV).

Is US $80-120 reasonable or overpaying?

This is overpaying.

Hourly speaking, this is a VERY rough rule of thumb where you can assume a 90% "price acceptance" rate without hassle. Of course you can negotiate to get lower prices. Assuming exchange at 4,000 (it's better, but round numbers make it easier to mentally process.

1. street average - 160,000 COP / $40 USD.

2. apartment average (in call) - 200,000 COP / $50 USD.

3. apartment average (out call) - 280,000 COP / $70 USD.

4. casa average - 100,000 COP /$25 USD in the centro type places, $50 energy, $80 loutron.

5. club average - 300,000 COP / $75 USD (fase2/ isla) - about 1/2 that in the non-fase2 and non-isla places.

6. spa average - 160,000 COP / $40 USD.

7. mansion prices - 200,000 COP-300,00 COP $50-$75.

8. lleras street prices - 200,000 COP / $50 USD.

8. lleras (in a club) prices - 350,000 COP ($90) and up (prices are lower with girls on the street, and higher when they are in the club -- make sure you clarify whether you are talking in dollars or pesos. Girls will say "300" then try to do some dumb shit like say she meant 300 USD).

Again, those are rough, and the exchange rate is better now, so you may see a 20%-ish reduction in the $USD prices if your ATM lets you pull money at the 4,400 range or higher.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2781781]What range have others been paying / offering to better quality SA girls recently? (I know YMMV).

Is US $80-120 reasonable or overpaying?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781770]Cash: If you have to exchange cash. You can exchange some at the airport. Like others have said, ATM will be better.

SIM card:

There used to be a place similar to a bookstore or something on the second floor that you can get SIM card in the airport . You have to ask because it may not be on display. You can kill sometime while trying to find it but I don't know if it is still there.

Once you are in the city, if it is still early and you want to kill some time. Go to Botero Plaza to sightseeing. There is a WOM store by the white church Veracruz. They usually have staff that can speak English. You can pay 20 mil for 30 days or whatever days you need for less cost, but you need to have your passport with you. This will register your phone in their system so it won't be locked after 30 days. The official stores like this are more like full service and stores of this provider usually are less busy. The other providers often have longer lines I think because they offer more services

There is a cafe that is part of the museum. You can order something and sit on the patio to people watch if you have time to kill.

There are many neighborhood stores that sell SIM. These are like the airport one, and they may be able to help you setup SIM card and put data in your SIM.

Then there are street vendors. Yo can only buy SIM which is normally 5 mil but you can get it for 3 mil in some places. You need to go to GANA to show your phone number and name of the provider to put data on the phone. I think the least expensive plan is 5 mil. GANA is everywhere so you won't miss it.

Pictures:

The for sale sign next to the 000 is the WOM store location. You can see the white Veracruz church to the left.

You can kill more time to have lunch at the restaurant across from the white church. You can see all the actions from the patio, bring your binoculars. This picture is old. It now has a glass walkway.[/QUOTE]No matter where you get your SIM make sure you go to the service provider (Claro, etc.) and have it registered properly (if you bought it from a company store they would do that when they first install it) Otherwise that phone will be locked out after 30 days, and the lock is on the IME of the phone, so you will never be able to use it in Colombia again. Happened to me. You may be able to get that lock removed on a subsequent trip, but you can only do that by going back to the original provider, with the phone number, passport, etc. Took me a couple of days.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2781781]What range have others been paying / offering to better quality SA girls recently? (I know YMMV).

Is US $80-120 reasonable or overpaying?[/QUOTE]It is fine Sean but just at least try to meet without having to mention money. Most I ever paid was $140 for someone who let me go bare. Bring up money if you have to but try not to bring it up.

And meet them in a nice place and dress nicely to project the image of "This is the life you will get if you roll with me. ".

There are a lot of flakes so always have a backup plan. Outside of going bare, which was frequent with me, you will find all in all the WGs are better in bed. So if you are just looking at getting laid, seeking really is not that great.

And even in Colombia, you have to go through a lot of losers before you find a winner. Guys myself included talk way to much about the winners and not enough about the losers.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2781795]..Otherwise that phone will be locked out after 30 days,....[/QUOTE]I switched and registered with a 2nd provider. The first provider locked my phone in less than 2 weeks, not the 30 days we know. I have to buy another highest cost plan from the 1st provider to get it unlocked. I know this is an exception but it happened to me.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2781781]What range have others been paying / offering to better quality SA girls recently? (I know YMMV).

Is US $80-120 reasonable or overpaying?[/QUOTE]The hottest ones insist on $120-$200. Pay it or you will not be seeing them. If you do pay it they will usually not be clock watchers and you will have long dates with dinner out and possible overnights with BBFS if they like you. The most I paid was $160 (800m pesos) but that was for around 18 hours of unlimited BBFS.

Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781816]I switched and registered with a 2nd provider. The first provider locked my phone in less than 2 weeks, not the 30 days we know. I have to buy another highest cost plan from the 1st provider to get it unlocked. I know this is an exception but it happened to me.[/QUOTE]I know I got a text message warning me that the phone would be locked, or something like that, if I did not register it properly. I ignored it as I was leaving the country soon, and only when I went back a couple of years later I found that phone was locked for Colombia, but not anywhere else. Not sure how they do that. But I eventually was able to go back to the original SIM carrier and I also had to open the cheapest plan available, and then they unlocked it and properly registered it. I was then able to activate a SIM from another company as I had already purchased that before I found my phone to be locked. So I ended up with 2 active plans.

I purchase a iPhone 11 (cheap) a while back. So I always travel with two phones when visiting foreign countries. I keep the main one at hotel / airbnb (newest iPhone) and just walk around with the 11 (wouldn't care that much if someone steals it) I use google fi esim function and terminate service when I arrive back in the states. Esim saves the hassle in going to a cell store in a foreign country. But yes, make sure your phone is unlock. Also, not sure on android but iPhone can have 2 lines active for the ones that travels with just one phone.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;2781788]This is overpaying.

Hourly speaking, this is a VERY rough rule of thumb where you can assume a 90% "price acceptance" rate without hassle. Of course you can negotiate to get lower prices. Assuming exchange at 4,000 (it's better, but round numbers make it easier to mentally process.

1. street average - 160,000 COP / $40 USD.

2. apartment average (in call) - 200,000 COP / $50 USD.

3. apartment average (out call) - 280,000 COP / $70 USD.

4. casa average - 100,000 COP /$25 USD in the centro type places, $50 energy, $80 loutron.

5. club average - 300,000 COP / $75 USD (fase2/ isla) - about 1/2 that in the non-fase2 and non-isla places.

6. spa average - 160,000 COP / $40 USD.

7. mansion prices - 200,000 COP-300,00 COP $50-$75.

8. lleras street prices - 200,000 COP / $50 USD.

8. lleras (in a club) prices - 350,000 COP ($90) and up (prices are lower with girls on the street, and higher when they are in the club -- make sure you clarify whether you are talking in dollars or pesos. Girls will say "300" then try to do some dumb shit like say she meant 300 USD).

Again, those are rough, and the exchange rate is better now, so you may see a 20%-ish reduction in the $USD prices if your ATM lets you pull money at the 4,400 range or higher.[/QUOTE]Nice summary of costs in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;2781788]This is overpaying.

Hourly speaking, this is a VERY rough rule of thumb where you can assume a 90% "price acceptance" rate without hassle. Of course you can negotiate to get lower prices. Assuming exchange at 4,000 (it's better, but round numbers make it easier to mentally process.

1. street average - 160,000 COP / $40 USD.

2. apartment average (in call) - 200,000 COP / $50 USD.

3. apartment average (out call) - 280,000 COP / $70 USD.

4. casa average - 100,000 COP /$25 USD in the centro type places, $50 energy, $80 loutron.

5. club average - 300,000 COP / $75 USD (fase2/ isla) - about 1/2 that in the non-fase2 and non-isla places.

6. spa average - 160,000 COP / $40 USD.

7. mansion prices - 200,000 COP-300,00 COP $50-$75.

8. lleras street prices - 200,000 COP / $50 USD.

8. lleras (in a club) prices - 350,000 COP ($90) and up (prices are lower with girls on the street, and higher when they are in the club -- make sure you clarify whether you are talking in dollars or pesos. Girls will say "300" then try to do some dumb shit like say she meant 300 USD).

Again, those are rough, and the exchange rate is better now, so you may see a 20%-ish reduction in the $USD prices if your ATM lets you pull money at the 4,400 range or higher.[/QUOTE]Street price is $40 mil COP (sometimes $30 mil).

Apartment out call is $150 mil COP (of course this will vary depending on where you source the girl from).

Casas I don't have much experience but I've read there are plenty of Casas in the $50 mil - $70 mil range.

Spa / Mansion / Lleras I'll leave that up to you poblado boys to answer that one since you guys know what you pay.

And exchange rate is currently 4600 (not 4000, I think accuracy should be more important that making your mental math easier for you.

I'm guess I'm back now.

-Gabacho out.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2781851]The hottest ones insist on $120-$200. Pay it or you will not be seeing them. If you do pay it they will usually not be clock watchers and you will have long dates with dinner out and possible overnights with BBFS if they like you. The most I paid was $160 (800m pesos) but that was for around 18 hours of unlimited BBFS.[/QUOTE]Are you paying in dollars? That seems crazy. But maybe I misunderstand.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2781881]I know I got a text message warning me that the phone would be locked, or something like that, ... So I ended up with 2 active plans.[/QUOTE]You get text message when you are about to reach 30 days. I got that SIM less than 2 weeks and was locked. I ended up like you with 2 active plan and they force me to buy 30 days plan to unlock my cell. I also know guys that just switch SIMs without registration without problems. I am avoiding to provide detail like this just to avoid arguments with other members.

Some comments on latest posts about prices and crime. Walking around Parque Lleras last night there seemed to be X100 more tourists than pre-COVID. Top pretty street girls asking $100 and get multiple offers, so they choose who they will go with. Average price can be $50 for lower end.

I can't possibly imagine now one could get robbed in good areas such as Parque Lleras when there are so many people are out. And so much police present.

As far as prices, good building such as Energy are $130 a night and sold out. We have huge inflation all over the world, not just in Colombia. So no it's not much cheaper than Spain anymore, I can see how top shelf girls in Medellin can get $200+. Medellin may have reached a point where is is too popular and has lost its bargain value, this happens in all internet famous destination. Venezuela might be next big thing.

What is the new place New Electro, is it like Gusto or more like Face2?

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]Just go man! Trust me! I thought just like you and now I'm happy I went. I'm actually going go back before the summer and I regret not staying longer this pass trip. Just keep your eye on your drinks, or better off. Don't drink around a chica, especially in your airbnb. Build you up a Facebook or a seeking list. I didn't bother with tinder. Yes the scope exist, but is all about how you handle your self around other people. I seen gringos walking out of clubs with two bangers, and I'm like I hope they get both of them in bed and not them fcking him up while he drug up.

I been to Spain (for work but did splurge around) and the rates are better in Medellin. Looks are the same I'll say, but Spain chicas are older then the ones you'll find in Medellin. I also think Colombian woman are more attractive here IMO. They do travel to Spain and other Europe country. Even the USA. But like I said, I think these are the older ones.

I was dropping 150-300 cop range at my airbnb. Mostly 200 cop. In the Casas your under 200 cop unless your going to loutron. Street walkers your drop at most 70 cop which includes the room in centro. Llaures they were mostly quoting 300 but I never brought them back here or never bother since I had so many chicas already in my line up. And they still texting me the one I bang. LOL.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2781948]Are you paying in dollars? That seems crazy. But maybe I misunderstand.[/QUOTE]He's talking about SA (Seeking Arrangements) where gringos go to overpay. It's probably the same women you can find on mileroticos or photoprepagos just showing up in a fancier dress and charging 4 x more money.

I don't know if my opinion will help but I just wanted to share.

I am kind of in the same mindset but here in Greater Seattle area the "talent" is absolute shit, grannies in the AMP's, super entitled hoes on the blade that charge an arm and leg and give shit performance, odor, pimp shenanigans, the list goes on here in pussy prison. I was so sick of the talent here (or lack there) that I went to Cartagena in Sept 2022 for a week and man it was soooo good and haven't partaken in any services at home since I came back to save up. I went alone, and was safe but at times didn't feel safe like in some of the dark streets leading to my hotel. Granted I took precautions I Ubered everywhere (no problems and cheap), I took the girls to my room and kept my eye on them, didn't drink at all with them, and just banged them. I came across only one bad experience as far as smell and service but all the other chicas I was with were great I even had fun with hot 20 year old that I still think about it hahaha. I am honestly addicted to the atmosphere there, girls in bikinis where I could approach them near Stall 4 on the beach (I think? Walk around the street with latinas in tight dresses. I was able to meet some fine ass women.

That being said I hear you. I really want to go to Medellin because of what I am reading here and seeing on youtube, la isla, casa, etc. But I share your concerns about the getting scoped.

I am currently researching going to Rio or Medellin, I feel like you can find some hot younger girls in Medellin in the parques and el centro but hey I may be wrong. At this point its between Rio, and Medellin. I may pull the trigger for March. The only reason why I haven't pulled the trigger yet is the safety.

I did have to walk away from quite a few girls in Cartagena because of their pricing. I did feel that they have gotten accustomed to getting paid more than they are worth because some dudes just pay anything or have poor negotiating skills and then there is the damn simps out there.

Curious what part of Spain or you speaking of where there are hotter girls, is it a red light area?

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2782064]We have huge inflation all over the world, not just in Colombia. So no it's not much cheaper than Spain anymore, I can see how top shelf girls in Medellin can get $200+.[/QUOTE]So how much would the same girl be getting in Spain where the cost of living is higher? If it ain't 5 times more than the $200 you say they get in Medellin then something is off. Why would chicks go work in a far off foreign land where the cost of living is higher, in order to make the same money? Or are chicks no longer branching out to Europe, Panama, etc to sell pussy because they can get the same money at home?

I got a question I want to bring a girl and her friend to Ibiza love motel she is over 18 because I've known her for a long time but she hasn't got her permanent cédula she has the contraseña and her friend has a cédula. What's the process of getting into Ibiza? Are they going to ID the girls or do they just drive in the car with me through the gate? I'm not sure how this one works. Can someone please explain thank you.

I don't need any lectures on trying to get away with something illegal because it's not what I'm trying to do. I've been around a long time. This is a legitimate question.

I just got back from there and had a blast during my 2 week stay. I'm not sure where you are finding these $200 girls, must be Gusto's and I would suggest getting them somewhere else. I did not pay more than $65 for anywhere between a couple of hours to overnight. Getting Scoped is from being stupid and putting yourself in that situation. I have spent quite a bit of time down there and love the Colombian women, most are awesome to spend time with and are not Divas in any means.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]Then go to Spain. See how easy that was. In less than the time it took you to write your post, you could have booked a flight and found a place to stay.

This works for any place in the world. If you don't want to go there and would rather go somewhere else, just go where you want to go. There's no reason to come here and list all the reasons why you would rather go somewhere else. If you decide to buy tools at Home Depot do you first stop by Lowes to yell "I don't want to shop here?

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]Dig, I'the stay home bro. Especially if you have some self respect which a lot of guys are clearly lacking here. Especially if you are just going for the pussy and not the culture. It's obvious a few here on this forum have gone native down there in Medellin. A hundred tourists could get robbed, drugged and killed and Medellin still isn't that bad. My "wife" is from a third world country and when I go to visit her family we have to watch out how we move, what neighbourhoods we visit, and at what time of the day, can't leave the house after a certain time, etc. The whole day revolves around security and it's fucking exhausting. After a week of that shit I can't wait to come home to Toronto. Why anyone of us would choose to visit Medellin for a vacation now, while there is clearly an organized group of criminals specifically targeting our group (mongers) is obvious. Let's just call it what it is, it's total and complete desperation. I realize I'm being judgemental and my situation in terms of bitches is better than most, but it still has to be said. Last thing, I wonder how many of these so called Medellin vets are moving the same way as my girls family. Just basically stuck in one spot never venturing out here or there, always watching their back and the like. That is a fucking prison cell. I'm not saying all are moving like that but I'm willing to bet a lot of them are. The fact that our society in North America has made it so inhospitable to men is what I'm most upset about. The fact that some would rather risk their own safety to fuck a ***** than stay home speaks volumes. There are other spots where you can happily monger without worrying about this bullshit that's going on in Medellin (Cartagena, Dominican Republic (the whole country not just Sosua) Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand, Europe, etc. Sorry for the rant. Thanks.

A Canadian was a victim but the girl was arrested.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/mujer-drogo-canadiense-para-robo-laureles/1400295/[/URL]

She even tried to steal his electric razor. That's cold blooded. The tramadol they found on her is no joke. That shit can kill someone with an overdose.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2782172]A Canadian was a victim but the girl was arrested.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/mujer-drogo-canadiense-para-robo-laureles/1400295/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2781876]Is Medellin even worth going to anymore? From all the insane stories of scolp to more thefts and crime I can't for the life of me see any reason anyone goes here anymore. I've heard the chicas are now as entitled as American women and demand like $200 for 90 minutes and they act like divas. I could fuck hotter ones in Spain for that price what the fuck. Plus all of the simps that came here during the pandemic ruined it by sending these girls money and paying ridiculous quotes. Idk man I just don't see any good reasons to go here anymore, there's better and safer places. The only reason was to pay for hot chicks for low prices but even now they are asking for way too much.[/QUOTE]Yeah its worth it, people just need to stop inviting girls over they don't know to their place like why'all BFFs.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2782112]I just got back from there and had a blast during my 2 week stay. I'm not sure where you are finding these $200 girls, must be Gusto's and I would suggest getting them somewhere else. I did not pay more than $65 for anywhere between a couple of hours to overnight. Getting Scoped is from being stupid and putting yourself in that situation. I have spent quite a bit of time down there and love the Colombian women, most are awesome to spend time with and are not Divas in any means.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go to Spain over Colombia for the girls. But cannot argue the costs in Colombia have gone up, $100 per night accommodation prices are compatible to those in the EU are common and there are a lot of dudes now throwing money around!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782119]Then go to Spain. See how easy that was. In less than the time it took you to write your post, you could have booked a flight and found a place to stay.

This works for any place in the world. If you don't want to go there and would rather go somewhere else, just go where you want to go. There's no reason to come here and list all the reasons why you would rather go somewhere else. If you decide to buy tools at Home Depot do you first stop by Lowes to yell "I don't want to shop here?[/QUOTE]I didn't mean to shit on medellin, it's just that the main allure for me was being able to bang young hot chicks for less than $50 and even cheaper but now the girls who are hot at a minimum are charging higher than a $100? And the cost of the airbnbs and other things seems to have exploded. Combine this with the crime reports and the stigma against gringos I just am swayed off by it, rather do Mexico or Thailand where the prices are still okay for what you get.

[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2780734]Hi all, this is a pretty stupid post for some, but I really really have the itch to try BBFS. Never done it before, and I am getting into my 40's soon. So, was really hoping to get some BB action once or twice atleast during this upcoming trip to Medellin. Need your advice.

I realize that there is a risk factor that is not zero for sure. But, I am trying to minimize HIV risk as much as possible. So, was hoping to see only selectively someone who is having a family, has kids, is not a 'professional' who is visiting strip clubs etc. I. e. Someone who is homely person and not going out for sex every other day with strangers. I think I have found a few FB girls like that profile. I am planning to carry the oraquick hiv test kit with me and have the girl do a quick saliva test before the act.

Any ideas on what the risk factor could be in the above for contracting hiv? Sorry I know I am being too paranoid / asking a stupid question, but hopefully you understand from the pov of someone who has never had BBFS before.[/QUOTE]Look into FC-2 (or FC2) internal (female) condoms. All the sensation. None of the risk.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2781338]Incoherently written first timer recap by a hobbyist seasoned around the globe.

I try to RTFF but also Colombia threads bloated with users off topic flame war each other really threw a wrench in my conquest.

A week before my flight I did the ISG strat to send friend requests on FB and out of 80 requests, 2 confirmed me day before flight. That's when I knew this might get a little bumpy.

Ultimately my past hobby xp of parachute into a locale, check into hotel, and meet girl an hour later kind of ruined me. That approach simply doesn't exist in Medellin.

Medellin is not a quick strike setting. It requires time, commitment, other re $ources to a point to indulge you have to plan on Medellin being your only hobby destination and have no time to hobby outside of Colombia.

The ISGers speaking highly of Medellin didn't bud overnight. Their black book took months or years or expat abroad status to have connections they're enjoying. If you're one of those congrats. Keep doing what you're doing and I salute and envy you.

However if you're a casual once every 3-5 years type visitor, Medellin might not bear the results you were hoping to indulge. There are options, but they're geared more towards locals who are too drunk to care if the girl doesn't match girl in pics. And overpriced escorts too.

Know Spanish. Have some game. And most importantly plan on visiting 3-4 times / year. Even your first visit will require additional planning of some way some how getting contacts weeks before your arrival to make sure your starting point goes smoothly, which starts to sound like a Catch 22. If this is for you, then by all means.

I don't know how else to explain it.[/QUOTE]It was a different scene back in the late 2000's: Pre-FaceBook or WhatsApp, no smart phones, etc.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2782204]I didn't mean to shit on medellin, it's just that the main allure for me was being able to bang young hot chicks for less than $50 and even cheaper but now the girls who are hot at a minimum are charging higher than a $100? And the cost of the airbnbs and other things seems to have exploded. Combine this with the crime reports and the stigma against gringos I just am swayed off by it, rather do Mexico or Thailand where the prices are still okay for what you get.[/QUOTE]Ridiculous. Hot girls can easily be gotten for (well) under the equivalent of $100 USD. I'm pickier than the vast majority of mongers and I have never paid over 250 mil pesos (for short-time). Of course some girls may "ask" for that much, but I don't care about what they ask. I tell them what I'll pay and most accept. If they don't, I move on to the next.

If you actually meet the girl in person and chat with her a bit, that makes a ton of difference. A smile and a few witty comments can go a long way. A lot better than contacting them on FB or Seeking and asking "Hi, how much do you charge for a stupid Gringo?" Though I will grant you the online options can be convenient.

As far as crime / danger, I'll grant you Spain is safer (I mentioned Germany in an earlier post which is safe and the FKKs are awesome). But if you follow a few basic rules, you'll likely be safe in Colombia.

1. Do not leave your drink out of your sight, whether it's booze or Diet Coke.

2. Stay in a place with a reception that registers guests and calls you upon your guest leaving.

3. Don't play the big shot and throw money around. No need to advertise how rich you are.

4. Don't use Tinder.

Also as far as Colombia, Medellin is hardly the only place. Plenty of other cities that haven't been overrun by Gringos.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2782204]I didn't mean to shit on medellin, it's just that the main allure for me was being able to bang young hot chicks for less than $50 and even cheaper but now the girls who are hot at a minimum are charging higher than a $100? And the cost of the airbnbs and other things seems to have exploded. Combine this with the crime reports and the stigma against gringos I just am swayed off by it, rather do Mexico or Thailand where the prices are still okay for what you get.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2782267]Ridiculous. Hot girls can easily be gotten for (well) under the equivalent of $100 USD. I'm pickier than the vast majority of mongers and I have never paid over 250 mil pesos (for short-time). Of course some girls may "ask" for that much, but I don't care about what they ask. I tell them what I'll pay and most accept. If they don't, I move on to the next.

If you actually meet the girl in person and chat with her a bit, that makes a ton of difference. A smile and a few witty comments can go a long way. A lot better than contacting them on FB or Seeking and asking "Hi, how much do you charge for a stupid Gringo?" Though I will grant you the online options can be convenient.

As far as crime / danger, I'll grant you Spain is safer (I mentioned Germany in an earlier post which is safe and the FKKs are awesome). But if you follow a few basic rules, you'll likely be safe in Colombia.

1. Do not leave your drink out of your sight, whether it's booze or Diet Coke.

2. Stay in a place with a reception that registers guests and calls you upon your guest leaving.

3. Don't play the big shot and throw money around. No need to advertise how rich you are.

4. Don't use Tinder.

Also as far as Colombia, Medellin is hardly the only place. Plenty of other cities that haven't been overrun by Gringos.[/QUOTE]Agreeing with combo. I highly recommend Medellin. Shit, just stay in the tourist area like parque larress during the dark time if you don't want to venture else where. Your not going find nothing at centro after 10 pm but homeless and ugly street walkers. Trust me, I walk it recently at 10 pm and nothing entertaining their or worthy. And the homeless people not going bother you. At the end of day, just use common sense. And if you see a chica offer a threesome. I wouldn't even bother biting that billet unless you seen one of them multiple times.

Honestly, don't make it a monger trip only. Go do some tourist stuff like commua 13. Their are enough Americans and other foreign here. I met some cool as people outside of the hobby and inside a hobby.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2782100]I got a question I want to bring a girl and her friend to Ibiza love motel she is over 18 because I've known her for a long time but she hasn't got her permanent cdula she has the contrasea and her friend has a cdula. What's the process of getting into Ibiza? Are they going to ID the girls or do they just drive in the car with me through the gate? I'm not sure how this one works. Can someone please explain thank you.

I don't need any lectures on trying to get away with something illegal because it's not what I'm trying to do. I've been around a long time. This is a legitimate question.[/QUOTE]The last few times I went to Ibiza they had somebody checking cedulas at the gate. However, that was a few years back. Last I heard they aren't checking.

The Contrasena is useless. However, if she has a picture of both sides of her cedula on her phone that will likely work. I ran into the same situation just before Christmas. 2 of the 3 girls I took to La Isla didn't have their cedulas with them and tge photos were accepted.

[QUOTE=LobLaws;2782161]Dig, I'the stay home bro. Especially if you have some self respect which a lot of guys are clearly lacking here. Especially if you are just going for the pussy and not the culture. It's obvious a few here on this forum have gone native down there in Medellin. A hundred tourists could get robbed, drugged and killed and Medellin still isn't that bad. My "wife" is from a third world country and when I go to visit her family we have to watch out how we move, what neighbourhoods we visit, and at what time of the day, can't leave the house after a certain time, etc. The whole day revolves around security and it's fucking exhausting. After a week of that shit I can't wait to come home to Toronto. Why anyone of us would choose to visit Medellin for a vacation now, while there is clearly an organized group of criminals specifically targeting our group (mongers) is obvious. Let's just call it what it is, it's total and complete desperation. I realize I'm being judgemental and my situation in terms of bitches is better than most, but it still has to be said. Last thing, I wonder how many of these so called Medellin vets are moving the same way as my girls family. Just basically stuck in one spot never venturing out here or there, always watching their back and the like. That is a fucking prison cell. I'm not saying all are moving like that but I'm willing to bet a lot of them are. The fact that our society in North America has made it so inhospitable to men is what I'm most upset about. The fact that some would rather risk their own safety to fuck a ***** than stay home speaks volumes. There are other spots where you can happily monger without worrying about this bullshit that's going on in Medellin (Cartagena, Dominican Republic (the whole country not just Sosua) Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand, Europe, etc. Sorry for the rant. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'll take your bet. How much can you afford to lose? I'll even pick up my winnings in Toronto and you can pay in CAD.

I was just in Medellin over Christmas. I went all over, from El Centro to San Antonio del Prado. I walked, drove and took the Metro. Although 1 guy did try to pick my pocket (and failed), I never felt threatened or nervous. During much of the time I was with my girlfriend and her family. We were our all hours of the day and night. Nobody was hiding, or looking over their shoulder. Just relaxed good times.

Of course everyone takes normal precautions. When my girlfriend had to go to El Centro she messaged me saying she didn't want to take her phone out while she was there. That's just common sense.

Tell me how much you want to bet. If you make it worth my time I'll squeeze in a 4 or 5 day trip before the end of April and post pictures from all over to show that people aren't hiding, terrified of your bogeyman.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2782204]I didn't mean to shit on medellin, it's just that the main allure for me was being able to bang young hot chicks for less than $50 and even cheaper but now the girls who are hot at a minimum are charging higher than a $100? And the cost of the airbnbs and other things seems to have exploded. Combine this with the crime reports and the stigma against gringos I just am swayed off by it, rather do Mexico or Thailand where the prices are still okay for what you get.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where your information comes from, but it's not a reliable source.

First, if you're looking for prices in dollars, you've already decided to screw yourself.

You can certainly spend those amounts if you want to. I think I paid over $150 per night my last trip, but that's only because I wanted to. A deluxe 2 bed 2 bath apartment with secure parking, 2 blocks from the best restaurants in Medellin is worth it to me. However, there are hundreds of options for under $50 per night.

There have been women charging $100 and up for as long as I've been going to Medellin. Or you can find beautiful women for a lot less, under $20 is possible, if you're willing to make an effort.

Anywhere you go there will be people, who have no idea what they're talking about, telling you how terrible it is. It's up to you to decide if you want to be one of them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782119]Then go to Spain. See how easy that was. In less than the time it took you to write your post, you could have booked a flight and found a place to stay.

This works for any place in the world. If you don't want to go there and would rather go somewhere else, just go where you want to go. There's no reason to come here and list all the reasons why you would rather go somewhere else.....[/QUOTE]I maintain there's no best mongering destination in the world. The desirability of a destination depends on the proclivity of the monger:

1) If you have the resources Germany is the best mongering destination in the world;.

2) If you favor good service above all else Brazil is the best mongering destination in the world;.

3) If you want easy access to poontang Thailand is the best mongering destination in the world;.

4) If you want cheap sex Colombia is still the best mongering destination in the world.

[QUOTE=Combo;2782267]Ridiculous. Hot girls can easily be gotten for (well) under the equivalent of $100 USD. I'm pickier than the vast majority of mongers and I have never paid over 250 mil pesos (for short-time). Of course some girls may "ask" for that much, but I don't care about what they ask. I tell them what I'll pay and most accept. If they don't, I move on to the next.

If you actually meet the girl in person and chat with her a bit, that makes a ton of difference. A smile and a few witty comments can go a long way. A lot better than contacting them on FB or Seeking and asking "Hi, how much do you charge for a stupid Gringo?" Though I will grant you the online options can be convenient.

As far as crime / danger, I'll grant you Spain is safer (I mentioned Germany in an earlier post which is safe and the FKKs are awesome). But if you follow a few basic rules, you'll likely be safe in Colombia.

1. Do not leave your drink out of your sight, whether it's booze or Diet Coke.

2. Stay in a place with a reception that registers guests and calls you upon your guest leaving.

3. Don't play the big shot and throw money around. No need to advertise how rich you are.

4. Don't use Tinder.

Also as far as Colombia, Medellin is hardly the only place. Plenty of other cities that haven't been overrun by Gringos.[/QUOTE]I agree. This is a very insightful informative post. You can get young attractive girls for 200-300 mil but some will refuse your offer and hold out for more. There are plenty of fish in the ocean so if a girl says no to a reasonable amount, just move on to the next girl.

Taking these basic steps for safety will minimize your risks but of course, it does not eliminate the risks. Colombia as a whole is more dangerous than many of the other popular mongering countries like Thailand and Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2782364]I maintain there's no best mongering destination in the world. The desirability of a destination depends on the proclivity of the monger:

1) If you have the resources Germany is the best mongering destination in the world;.

2) If you favor good service above all else Brazil is the best mongering destination in the world;.

3) If you want easy access to poontang Thailand is the best mongering destination in the world;.

4) If you want cheap sex Colombia is still the best mongering destination in the world.[/QUOTE]Nice post. Can you elaborate on what makes Germany superior to the others if you got the cash? Any comparisons between Colombia and Thailand. Never been to Asia or Europe, but it's on my radar.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2782100]I got a question I want to bring a girl and her friend to Ibiza love motel she is over 18 because I've known her for a long time but she hasn't got her permanent cdula she has the contrasea and her friend has a cdula. What's the process of getting into Ibiza? Are they going to ID the girls or do they just drive in the car with me through the gate? I'm not sure how this one works. Can someone please explain thank you.

I don't need any lectures on trying to get away with something illegal because it's not what I'm trying to do. I've been around a long time. This is a legitimate question.[/QUOTE]A Contrasena is a temporary ID issued by the Government that can be obtained and used by a Colombian while waiting for a Cedula.

It has a photograph of the individual, their Cedula number, along with having an expiration date on it.

The Contrasena will be accepted in lieu of a Cedula, however cannot be used for airline travel.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2782367]You can get young attractive girls for 200-300 mil but some will refuse your offer and hold out for more. There are plenty of fish in the ocean so if a girl says no to a reasonable amount, just move on to the next girl.[/QUOTE]What makes 200,000 - 300,000 pesos a reasonable amount?

Is there a club or a placed called New Electro or something?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782294]I was just in Medellin over Christmas. I went all over, from El Centro to San Antonio del Prado. I walked, drove and took the Metro. Although 1 guy did try to pick my pocket (and failed), I never felt threatened or nervous. During much of the time I was with my girlfriend and her family. We were our all hours of the day and night. Nobody was hiding, or looking over their shoulder. Just relaxed good times.

Of course everyone takes normal precautions. When my girlfriend had to go to El Centro she messaged me saying she didn't want to take her phone out while she was there. That's just common sense.
[/QUOTE]First of all, everything you do is unique and special in comparison to everyone else on this site so nothing applies to you so stop defending yourself. Everyone knows just how special you are. (Just wait for it guys. He will write pages on my comment to correct me. He simply can not help himself.).

Precautions for pickpocketing applies in every country you go to in all locations day or night. The difference is when a gun is shown or they beat you up for your stuff. You simply should not go walking alone or drunk in the middle of the night in at least 60% of every city in Colombia. But yet you can do just that in Thailand or the Philippines (only countries I know and can compare) with no problems.

Most countries you only have to worry about taking out your phone when walking along a street where a motorcycle can come up behind you and snatch it. In Colombia a group of guys will walk right up to you in broad daylight and attack you for it in the front of 50+ people. The people will only watch and will not help you. Seen that many times.

Colombia is flat out a different animal in comparison to most other monger locations for two main reasons in my eyes. First, there are very few of us to support the others and no "foreigner" areas where huge numbers of foreigners can be found so you are basically on your own. Second, is the huge amount of Venies that need money to survive and to send back home.

Also, prostitutes steal from customers in every country so no news there. But I do not think using scopolamine to rob customers is used in such abundance elsewhere. Using scopolamine has killed several foreigners each and every year in Colombia. Is this common anywhere else? Comments any one because I am curious myself.

Hey guys, this is my first post but I've been a long time reader of this thread. I have traveled to Medellin about 4 times in the past two and a half years and have found some decent success. I find myself now looking to expand into other ways of getting girls and building up a solid roster I am completely happy with. I've tried online escorts (mileroticos, pasionprepago and photoprepagos), Seeking, Tinder and now trying the FaceBook game. Here is some of the things I've experienced and learned about, ranging from the order of my most used methods to least used. This is only my personal experience and you're allowed to share a different perspective to educate myself and others:

Online: Pasion prepagos Medellin (search in google) is probably the most reliable website I use, photoprepagos being next with Mileroticos last but probably will find cheaper girls who are more flexible. Online is my PRIMARY way of hooking up with girls here because of how easy it is to contact the girls from WhatsApp and plan a date. The pros are that you get lots of variety and can make a list of girls you're interested in quick. Also, if there is chemistry with a girl you can have a really great time with a hot girl for very good prices by US dollar standards. The cons is that it is sometimes very hit or miss. You will get the service but some girls can rush, some might not get too into it, some might not do things you want so it is important to establish clarity before the meeting. It is also really taboo to ask for pics from these working girls, they'll usually redirect you to their ad even when they actually do look like their pics, I assume is for safety / privacy reasons. Even though some of the pics might hide some stuff, I've felt that I haven't gotten catfished too bad. These chicks are also all about the money and the really good ones can be very difficult to set up a date with, sometimes other girls will have you come to their casa and they hook you up with a different girl smh. I am fluent in Spanish so they never get to play games with me but it is very frustrating when you're really horny so beware of that and tried to confirm for sure that the session will be ONLY with the chick you're talking to. Overall I want to grow away from online escorts for girls who are less transactional, more consistent and with less direct competition for their time.

Seeking: I tried seeking and I was surprised by the amount of attention I got, for any guy with decent pics its a gold mine for attracting. Going through with dates / lays is another story though. There are different types of girls on seeking, most popular are working girls in disguise for more money & higher quality men than paisa men and also spoiled girls who are trying to get as much money as possible from foreigners in USD, trips or experiences. I found that my best strategy is funnel the massive amounts of leads to WhatsApp and figure out the girls I'll go out with from there. It's a cool process but you later find out it can be long tedious work. Pros: Girls are hot, lots of variety and girls usually answer reply at high rates, you can also ask for pics. There might be some non working girls who are new to this and if you get them to like you it CAN be way worth the $100. I still fuck with a girl I met from my first trip using Seeking, she used it to meet higher status guys while she was having some issues with her husband. I don't totally condone this but it took a while to get her comfortable enough to meet and get in bed, she is very appreciative / not high maintenance at all and until this day whenever I come back in town she makes time and effort to meet up and do everything bareback. She deleted seeking but did webcam for some time and is now doing normal work.

The cons: not every chick is like this, I'll say the majority will try to maximize the amount of money and experiences they can get from you shamelessly and will be already talking to a bunch of guys looking to do the same. I went on lots of dates my previous trips and I noticed I spent so much time vetting and planning for some of these girls to take them out on a date, that ended up a bit expensive anyway and for me to end up paying 300 k for mediocre sex smh. I realized towards the end of the trip that it was better for my mental health and time efficiency to just get escorts online because at least these girls know they're there to fuck, the vetting process is way less time consuming and they're not out here asking for phones and rent a few days into meeting you. The worst thing as a guy is investing so much time, money and energy on a chick who you think is just hot and the sex ends up being mediocre and the whole time you're thinking, I should of just hit up Mia for some proper hot 200 k sex for an hour and be happy the rest of the day 😂. Some girls are glorified expensive working girls. If you have lots of money to spend is probably your best option though, you can meet some hot young spoiled girls. I have a lot of numbers and decent girls from my previous trips using seeking but I only actively repeat with the girl I mentioned earlier and one other short red haired tiny chica who probably gives one of the best heads but quotes me 300 k / HR + taxi every time. I think she is just a working girl through seeking but is a bit too transactional despite being punctual and is getting older and chubbier lately. I don't think I will use seeking for this trip because of the time consuming nature of it but have contacts for some girls that I didn't meet last time. Now I will approach it with way less time investment and energy. All the leads you get can from seeking can be overwhelming and I did not spend as much time being present in the moment my last trip using seeking, I was constantly on my phone looking for the next hot girl who might be cool LOL. P.S. : I strongly believe there is just as many girls who are hot here in Medellin and don't know how far their hotness can take them so I am mostly look for these type of girls.

Tinder: I've only met one girl from here and it was cool but it wasn't worth it. She was a "church girl" but she got me weed, she gave me head but I didn't end up sleeping with her at the end. Tinder just doesn't work for me at all and I'm heavily turned off by the horror stories I hear from there.

FaceBook game: Brand new to this, made an account a week prior to coming but having very limited success so far. From what I heard it has huge potential and I would appreciate some advice on how I can leverage this account to get more lowkey normal or semi pro girls. I have a pro camera that I use for video content back home so all my pics are decent but I still struggle to get some replies and accepted requests. I currently have 49 friends. I've looked through this thread but haven't found much on the things I can post to have some sort of engagement in my profile and not appear as a bot. I added people using the chicacheck website and added some of the good reviewed girls friends but maybe there's more I can do? If anyone wants to connect and share some contacts or advice etc direct message me here or on FaceBook where I have the same name as here + it says I'm from Tampa, FL and born in Medellin.

Street / Casas / brothels: Have only gone to one in Centro and was not very impressed at that time of day. It was also a quick stop and I had no intentions of getting with a girl. I think there is potential here to get some proper sluts for a low price which I am very in favor of but I am not willing to do this by myself. If anyone wants to adventure out, have a good time and check out some of the popular places on here together DM me, I am open to exploring more during this trip.

Day game: Only did day game once here but the quality of the girls you approach is much higher than online for obvious reasons. I mostly talk to girls doing normal jobs and have had success considering how little I've done it. I am open to doing more of this during this trip.

Overall this trip:

I find myself in a unique position where I have a father that lives and does business here so I am staying for over a month this time around and I'm able to stay at any hotel I want because I am not tied down to one place that I'm already paying for. I am a fluent Spanish speaker, I know a few of older locals through family (they're always working, no money + time) and will like to meet other mongers to have fun, introduce and meet girls. My goal this trip is to create so much value on my FB page from hanging out and going to cool places that I have inbound girls in the DM's that are comfortable enough to hang out, and then later build out a solid roster with attractive non pro and semi pro girls that I get from FB, day game etc. Using these consistent properly vetted girls I want to meet with other ambitious mongers (LOL) and see if we can host fun private parties and shit (nothing crazy), maybe create some content for some of these girls for some extended play time. I know a few places that aren't too expensive and with the right girls, can be a fucking blast! These are all ideas and I am open to sharing what I've learned during my trips and hearing criticism. I barely drink alcohol and smoke weed during the night sometimes just to sleep and fuck mostly, but I am not judgmental as long as you don't let any of that shit negatively affect yourself and others. I have hella game, can communicate well and can figure out suspicious situations / people so hit me up if you want to kick it one of these days and want to wander a little more comfortable during your stay. I am staying until the 20th of February. I can expand on some of my points with more information to whoever is curious on here and responds to this thread. I will do some more reports throughout my trips hopefully some of you guys get some value from them!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782404]What makes 200,000 - 300,000 pesos a reasonable amount?[/QUOTE]It seems to be the number that many FB girls will accept but it does not mean that girls will not accept less. Personally, it is a number that I am comfortable with and don't mind spending if you are a young attractive girl and will give me GFE for at least an hour and a half to two hours. I don't like a lot of back and forth in negotiations and for me personally, 150 mil for FB girls got a lot more pushback than 200 mil.

You can say, well, that is much higher than the 40 mil streetwalker in El Centro but it is also less than the girls in the higher priced nightclubs. Pay what you are willing to pay and don't worry about what the other guy is paying. That is my motto.

I just got back from 8 days in Medellin and want to share my experiences with dating, semipros, casas and strip clubs. It helps me put my thoughts down as I process things and hopefully can be helpful to all of you who want current intel. I'm going to start off with the more straight-up P4 P casas, strip clubs, and photoprepagos girl as that's relatively easy to chronicle.

I visited a number of Centro casas with another member who I've known for a while including Zandaly, Sexy Amigas, Dulce Compania, New Life and Aiffe. I also went to Ellas Erotic in Luareles and visited Cristal a PSE photoprepagos provider I'd seen before.

In terms of Centro casas, Zandaly was by far my favorite. The girls there were thinner and more to my taste and there are a couple that have nice faces too. I tried a couple providers a tall dark Venezualan called Charlotte and a whiter girl called Andrea. Both of them gave good service with uncovered CIM etc for extra. Zandaly's was also the cheapest spot covering 55 k for half an hour 50 k bbj and 20 k CIM. Both girls I saw were borderline GFE with open-mouth kissing and caressing. Charlotte was able to deepthroat me and let me face fuck her a bit. My friend and I went three times and we ended up getting to know and talking to the manager a bit as we both speak Spanish. They have a VIP room you can take girls into to talk to them which is free of cost. It also has natural light so you can see facial or body flaws better. The rooms are standard but there is a nicer one on the main floor. My buddy had a good connection with one of the girls and ended up paying her 400 k to go to La Piscina swingers club with him another night.

I visited Sexy Amigas, Dulce Compania, New Life, and AIffe each once and was less impressed. New Life has a lot of girls and a couple ok looking ones but they were worse than Zandaly's talent in my opinion so I just paid the 3 k viewer fee and left. Dulce Compania looked like it had nice facilities and was full of Colombians. But the girls were all thick to downright fat so I left. Most of the girls were heavier at Dulce Compania too (there were only four the time we visited). Finally, Aiffe is downright scary. It looked like at least two of the girls were almost crying when they did the presentation and the manager looked like a bona fide pimp. Those are not things that enhance a casa experience, for me at least. The other casas also charge more than Zandaly (60 k to 80 k if my memory serves).

In terms of strip clubs, I went to the Hilton Grill, which is a local spot my friend was a big fan of. He had some luck with a dancer there that we hung out with. I'm not a big fan of the strip club model in Medellin or generally (though I've had some fun at Mexican strip clubs), but I decided to give it a shot with my friend and spent a night there. We ordered a bottle of Ron Caldas and a couple of drinks for his girl he already knew and a good-looking, slim white paisa from Bello for me and spent a couple of hours talking and listening to the music. The culture here seems to be that they hang out and talk but don't sit on your lap or do crazy things as much as my experience in Mexico. Drinks were pretty reasonable (7 k for beers for girls) and the bottle we split was 100 k. I didn't have much of a connection with the girl, which normally would cause me to send her off, but my buddy told me that it had taken him a while to win over his amiga so I kept her around. So I figured what the hell, its pretty cheap why not see where things go. After a couple hours hanging out, I took my girl to the back for 80 k and gave her 20 k more for BBBJ. She gave me a selfish hot girl sort of performance where we fucked a bunch in the positions she wanted. She was touching herself while we fucked and seemed to be enjoying herself but was less attentive to me. Did some BBBJ but not a load. I have issues cumming sometimes, especially if I feel things are off so I didn't cum. She did offer uncovered sex but I declined (not going to do that with a cheap stripper). Anyway, she seemed pissed at the end of the night that I hadn't cum. It probably punctured her image of herself as hot shit. Anyway, all this reinforced my poor impression of strip clubs even though I know some of you are into them. I've been to three now in Medellin (Conejitas and Barra Executiva) and they are not for me. The normal fee to take a girl to the back at Hilton Grill is 70 k by the way but my girl was apparently the top earner in the club so she charged a little more. The rooms are pretty low-end.

I also tried a higher end casa Ellas Erotic in Luareles. They have a couple of locations one of which is near the church of the Americas and is 5 minutes from where I was staying in Santa Monica. It's definitely a bit more upscale than the Centro spots but I'd also recommend it, rough edges and implementation aside. They have a website [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/[/URL] which lists the girls in their two locations and their extras. They cover 80 k half hour and 140 k for the hour. You send a WhatsApp and make an appointment with the chica you want to see. I found the whole website and system to be clunky and confusing, especially with the two locations. The girl's names aren't listed on the main page (you have to click on photos). I asked who was available the day I went and it was hard to quickly settle on a choice given the two locations and lack of names on the landing page. Because of these issues, I ended up booking a girl at the wrong location. Luckily they were willing to give me a lineup when I arrived at the Americas location. The facilities are definitely more upscale and the girls were generally a bit hotter as well. I ended up going for an hour with Zoe. She is a cute morena clara with a nice tight body and is studying business. I had a pleasant hour with her and we had sex for most of the hour. We hit it off well and seemed to have a good connection as I made her laugh repeatedly. I asked her to show me the craziest positions she knew and we invented a few together as well. She has anal and BBBJ as extras. She wouldn't do anal with me due to my size / thickness but she said she does it with most guys. Definitely a pro but in a good way. She'd punch my arm when I teased her and made her laugh and accuse me of making her look unprofessional / abandon her image and decor.

Finally, I mentioned Cristal from Photoprepagos before. I still highly recommend her as she's the most PSE pro I've been with in Medellin. She charged me her grandfathered rate of 200 k for a PSE hour, though apparently, prices are going up. Did anal with her and you can face fuck her like in a porno (with the sound and all). She does CIM and Cum on her face and likes you to smack her in the face with your dick. She also talks really dirty to you if you ask. She's no longer the freakiest girl I met in Medellin (more to come in the second part), but is close. I tried to invite her to La Piscina (the biggest swinger club in town) and she was very enthusiastic when I saw her in person. She even said she'd love to come with a friend of mine who'd gone with me before and she'd eat her out. But when it actually came time to take details and set it up she seemed to chicken out. I think she's most comfortable in her work apartment vs. Outside of her apartment in Laureles. She told me a bit more about her other business and her life outside escorting this time, which was interesting. I could probably easily develop a borderline friendship, as far as clients go, with her if I invested the time.

Overall, the only bad experience I had was at the Hilton grill with the stripper. Everything else was great. I do recommend talking with a chica you are interested in a bit before pulling the trigger (especially if you speak Spanish) as that gives you a hint of how things will go down. It's usually worth bailing if you don't feel there is much of a connection between you.

[QUOTE=Combo;2782267]Ridiculous. Hot girls can easily be gotten for (well) under the equivalent of $100 USD.....[/QUOTE]You are right. He is not really wrong if he had qualified with the word [B]some popular[/B]. They were finding girls in the wrong place

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2781883]I purchase a iPhone 11 (cheap) a while back. So I always travel with two phones when visiting foreign countries. I keep the main one at hotel / airbnb (newest iPhone) and just walk around with the 11 (wouldn't care that much if someone steals it) I use google fi esim function and terminate service when I arrive back in the states. Esim saves the hassle in going to a cell store in a foreign country. But yes, make sure your phone is unlock. Also, not sure on android but iPhone can have 2 lines active for the ones that travels with just one phone.[/QUOTE]Could you share info on what company you use. I am sort of Familiar with the e sim I use it as my main sim back home and was able to get a physical sim to use simultaneously while in Thailand but I didn't know you could get an esim in a foreign country as well?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2781795]No matter where you get your SIM make sure you go to the service provider (Claro, etc.) and have it registered properly (if you bought it from a company store they would do that when they first install it) Otherwise that phone will be locked out after 30 days, and the lock is on the IME of the phone, so you will never be able to use it in Colombia again.

Happened to me. You may be able to get that lock removed on a subsequent trip, but you can only do that by going back to the original provider, with the phone number, passport, etc. Took me a couple of days.[/QUOTE]Thanks this is very useful information and potentially saved me a huge headache. Appreciated.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781770]Cash: If you have to exchange cash. You can exchange some at the airport. Like others have said, ATM will be better.

SIM card:

There used to be a place similar to a bookstore or something on the second floor that you can get SIM card in the airport . You have to ask because it may not be on display. You can kill sometime while trying to find it but I don't know if it is still there.

Once you are in the city, if it is still early and you want to kill some time. Go to Botero Plaza to sightseeing. There is a WOM store by the white church Veracruz. They usually have staff that can speak English. You can pay 20 mil for 30 days or whatever days you need for less cost, but you need to have your passport with you. This will register your phone in their system so it won't be locked after 30 days. The official stores like this are more like full service and stores of this provider usually are less busy. The other providers often have longer lines I think because they offer more services

There is a cafe that is part of the museum. You can order something and sit on the patio to people watch if you have time to kill.

There are many neighborhood stores that sell SIM. These are like the airport one, and they may be able to help you setup SIM card and put data in your SIM.

Then there are street vendors. Yo can only buy SIM which is normally 5 mil but you can get it for 3 mil in some places. You need to go to GANA to show your phone number and name of the provider to put data on the phone. I think the least expensive plan is 5 mil. GANA is everywhere so you won't miss it.

Pictures:

The for sale sign next to the 000 is the WOM store location. You can see the white Veracruz church to the left.

You can kill more time to have lunch at the restaurant across from the white church. You can see all the actions from the patio, bring your binoculars. This picture is old. It now has a glass walkway.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the very detailed post!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782442]I just got back from 8 days in Medellin and want to share my experiences with dating, semipros, casas and strip clubs. It helps me put my thoughts down as I process things and hopefully can be helpful to all of you who want current intel. I'm going to start off with the more straight-up P4 P casas, strip clubs, and photoprepagos girl as that's relatively easy to chronicle.

I visited a number of Centro casas with another member who I've known for a while including Zandaly, Sexy Amigas, Dulce Compania, New Life and Aiffe. I also went to Ellas Erotic in Luareles and visited Cristal a PSE photoprepagos provider I'd seen before.

In terms of Centro casas, Zandaly was by far my favorite. The girls there were thinner and more to my taste and there are a couple that have nice faces too. I tried a couple providers a tall dark Venezualan called Charlotte and a whiter girl called Andrea. Both of them gave good service with uncovered CIM etc for extra. Zandaly's was also the cheapest spot covering 55 k for half an hour 50 k bbj and 20 k CIM. Both girls I saw were borderline GFE with open-mouth kissing and caressing. Charlotte was able to deepthroat me and let me face fuck her a bit. My friend and I went three times and we ended up getting to know and talking to the manager a bit as we both speak Spanish. They have a VIP room you can take girls into to talk to them which is free of cost. It also has natural light so you can see facial or body flaws better. The rooms are standard but there is a nicer one on the main floor. My buddy had a good connection with one of the girls and ended up paying her 400 k to go to La Piscina swingers club with him another night.

I visited Sexy Amigas, Dulce Compania, New Life, and AIffe each once and was less impressed. New Life has a lot of girls and a couple ok looking ones but they were worse than Zandaly's talent in my opinion so I just paid the 3 k viewer fee and left. Dulce Compania looked like it had nice facilities and was full of Colombians. But the girls were all thick to downright fat so I left. Most of the girls were heavier at Dulce Compania too (there were only four the time we visited). Finally, Aiffe is downright scary. It looked like at least two of the girls were almost crying when they did the presentation and the manager looked like a bona fide pimp. Those are not things that enhance a casa experience, for me at least. The other casas also charge more than Zandaly (60 k to 80 k if my memory serves).

In terms of strip clubs, I went to the Hilton Grill, which is a local spot my friend was a big fan of. He had some luck with a dancer there that we hung out with. I'm not a big fan of the strip club model in Medellin or generally (though I've had some fun at Mexican strip clubs), but I decided to give it a shot with my friend and spent a night there. We ordered a bottle of Ron Caldas and a couple of drinks for his girl he already knew and a good-looking, slim white paisa from Bello for me and spent a couple of hours talking and listening to the music. The culture here seems to be that they hang out and talk but don't sit on your lap or do crazy things as much as my experience in Mexico. Drinks were pretty reasonable (7 k for beers for girls) and the bottle we split was 100 k. I didn't have much of a connection with the girl, which normally would cause me to send her off, but my buddy told me that it had taken him a while to win over his amiga so I kept her around. So I figured what the hell, its pretty cheap why not see where things go. After a couple hours hanging out, I took my girl to the back for 80 k and gave her 20 k more for BBBJ. She gave me a selfish hot girl sort of performance where we fucked a bunch in the positions she wanted. She was touching herself while we fucked and seemed to be enjoying herself but was less attentive to me. Did some BBBJ but not a load. I have issues cumming sometimes, especially if I feel things are off so I didn't cum. She did offer uncovered sex but I declined (not going to do that with a cheap stripper). Anyway, she seemed pissed at the end of the night that I hadn't cum. It probably punctured her image of herself as hot shit. Anyway, all this reinforced my poor impression of strip clubs even though I know some of you are into them. I've been to three now in Medellin (Conejitas and Barra Executiva) and they are not for me. The normal fee to take a girl to the back at Hilton Grill is 70 k by the way but my girl was apparently the top earner in the club so she charged a little more. The rooms are pretty low-end.

I also tried a higher end casa Ellas Erotic in Luareles. They have a couple of locations one of which is near the church of the Americas and is 5 minutes from where I was staying in Santa Monica. It's definitely a bit more upscale than the Centro spots but I'd also recommend it, rough edges and implementation aside. They have a website [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/[/URL] which lists the girls in their two locations and their extras. They cover 80 k half hour and 140 k for the hour. You send a WhatsApp and make an appointment with the chica you want to see. I found the whole website and system to be clunky and confusing, especially with the two locations. The girl's names aren't listed on the main page (you have to click on photos). I asked who was available the day I went and it was hard to quickly settle on a choice given the two locations and lack of names on the landing page. Because of these issues, I ended up booking a girl at the wrong location. Luckily they were willing to give me a lineup when I arrived at the Americas location. The facilities are definitely more upscale and the girls were generally a bit hotter as well. I ended up going for an hour with Zoe. She is a cute morena clara with a nice tight body and is studying business. I had a pleasant hour with her and we had sex for most of the hour. We hit it off well and seemed to have a good connection as I made her laugh repeatedly. I asked her to show me the craziest positions she knew and we invented a few together as well. She has anal and BBBJ as extras. She wouldn't do anal with me due to my size / thickness but she said she does it with most guys. Definitely a pro but in a good way. She'd punch my arm when I teased her and made her laugh and accuse me of making her look unprofessional / abandon her image and decor.

Finally, I mentioned Cristal from Photoprepagos before. I still highly recommend her as she's the most PSE pro I've been with in Medellin. She charged me her grandfathered rate of 200 k for a PSE hour, though apparently, prices are going up. Did anal with her and you can face fuck her like in a porno (with the sound and all). She does CIM and Cum on her face and likes you to smack her in the face with your dick. She also talks really dirty to you if you ask. She's no longer the freakiest girl I met in Medellin (more to come in the second part), but is close. I tried to invite her to La Piscina (the biggest swinger club in town) and she was very enthusiastic when I saw her in person. She even said she'd love to come with a friend of mine who'd gone with me before and she'd eat her out. But when it actually came time to take details and set it up she seemed to chicken out. I think she's most comfortable in her work apartment vs. Outside of her apartment in Laureles. She told me a bit more about her other business and her life outside escorting this time, which was interesting. I could probably easily develop a borderline friendship, as far as clients go, with her if I invested the time.

Overall, the only bad experience I had was at the Hilton grill with the stripper. Everything else was great. I do recommend talking with a chica you are interested in a bit before pulling the trigger (especially if you speak Spanish) as that gives you a hint of how things will go down. It's usually worth bailing if you don't feel there is much of a connection between you.[/QUOTE]Thanks I very much enjoyed reading your post and really looking forward to post two and who the freakiest girl in MDE is. I def into trying a PSE session or two.

Is the he Cristal you referenced?

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/exquisita-y-rica-dama-te-hara-temblar-de-placer-id-7td2e[/URL]

I'm also really into nonpros and semipros as I've written about and have previously written about some of those experiences. I primarily use Facebook but have also started to use Instagram and tinder a bit. I've written about some of my methods for finding nonpros and semipros in previous posts on Facebook. I don't bother with paid services like Seeking or Colombian Cupid as Facebook has generally been a good source of girls for me. For safety my advise is always to chat as extensively with girls as possible and ask for social media (if you meet them on tinder) as well as about jobs, studying, barrio etc.

Now, my primary goal (this is my 5th trip) has been to develop a stable core of girls I can see in the future. I've developed what I consider deep connections with four or five girls in the past but its been hard to keep things up in the past due to emotional issues (primarily the fact I'm married and in an open relationship) or money issues as I'm not especially interested in sending money to girls when I'm not there. These past girls are all nonpros or at least did not charge me money upfront for sex. Of course, the lines here are quite blurred. I had issues this trip, for example, with a girl I'd seen in July who I'd had a great time with. She went to Las Piscinas with my in July and we had some crazy sex together. This time, she had just come home from a vacation and flaked on me a couple times. The timing may have been bad, but the flaking wasn't cool in my book. This girl is webcam, onlyfans and dates guys as a semipro but she'd been clear with me in the past that we were true friends and she didn't want any money from me. I was also minorly in love with a webcam girl I met in last January who had feelings for me as well but we ended up clashing and fighting due to those emotional issues. I have started rethinking issues surrounding money and may send small amounts of money randomly, for birthdays or special occasions. It seems like a good way of showing affection and fitting the local culture. Ultimately I think investing a little money could be worth it if I can maintain the sorts of connections I want. There are also some great semipros out there and I may focus more on some of them.

I set up concrete dates with eight girls, went out with six girls, and ended up sleeping with three of them. I found the girls on Facebook and one from tinder using criteria for semi to nonpros I've previously written about. I enjoyed the dates generally as I picked out restaurants I would have liked to eat at anyway and places I wanted to visit. I'd generally offer up a potential second part to the date if I enjoyed the girls company. On all of the occasions, I felt there was good chemistry I had no trouble inviting a girl back to my place after that first date.

Now in terms of dating there are a few things to watch out for. 1) There are a number of flaky girls. You will probably have some ditch plans with you. There were a few girls I wanted to see that I never managed to make concrete plans with and a couple who made plans with me and bailed on those plans due to weather, being scared or other issues.

2) There are girls that are interested but scared of seeing you. I did have lunch at Mayorca mall with an 18 year I'd been chatting with who worked there to reassure her. She still chickened out of a second date despite being affectionate when I saw her. I've had similar issues in the past. I'd also say past good dates don't guarantee you'll see a girl in the future. I had a great date with a girl I met in July who was begging me to come to my apartment that last trip. Either she was genuinely busy or significantly cooled to me this time. I'd write off any girls that are unsure or seem like they'd chicken out due to the wealth of options out there.

3) there is a class of girl that is looking to make gringo friends to take her out on your dime. I'm agnostic about this. I don't mind making platonic friends if the girl is genuinely cool. For example, I went out with a strata 5 law student this trip who speaks English fluently and told me a lot of interesting things about Medellin. She was so interested I'd be happy to take her out again as I know I'd learn more about the city, culture and possibly go places I didn't know about with her. These girls can also be useful local connections as well. I've known another girl since July who has taken me to some cool spots and helped me set up a tooth cleaning and find different things in the city. However, I'm not interested in making loads of those sorts of friendships. I also went out with another girl like that (costena) I met on tinder for coffee who was at least a cheap date. She was nice enough but no clear chemistry. I played up the body language game touching her arm, shoulders, brushing her hair etc and even asked her about things but didn't get a great response from her. But conversation and company for 10 am coffee weren't bad for the price of taxis and a cup of coffee.

4) Finally there are some semipros who will just assume you know that they want money without asking for it. This is not a bad thing necessarily unless you are expressly avoiding paid sex. These tend to be younger and poorer girls. You should easily be able to figure this out, though, when you talk to them either in person or over chat. If you are trying to avoid paid sex, I'd talk about how you prefer "sexo con atracion mutuo" vs. "sexo pagado" and see what their reactions are. I did have a funny issue this trip with a girl I met where I forgot to have that conversation. She was 18 years old and tiny (like 4 feet tall) but cute and she was from a very poor / troubled background in Manrique. I took her out to eat (paid taxis etc) and at the end of the meal she asked me if I wanted to take her to my place. She was cute enough so I thought why not though I didn't think hard about how much money I had on me. Anyway, she was very affectionate with me the whole time and we had great sex. Everything was very GFE. Lots of making out, groping in the shower, and a couple of rounds of sex in different positions. She was more the romantic / affectionate than wild type. At the end of the date after we were getting the taxi at the door she asked if I was going to give her anything. I had 100 k in my wallet, which I gave her. Afterward, I got messages about how she wasn't a "puta barrata" and such, which was kind of funny (I guess she thought of herself as a puta carra). Luckily no issues, though. But I could have avoided issues if I'd been more careful talking about sex beforehand. I also clearly told her that she should tell gringos she was looking for money for sex, especially if they took her out to eat vs. Asking her to come to their apartments. I think we ended on ok terms and maybe she learned a valuable lesson. It's funny because she told me the only person she'd ever have unpaid sex with would be a boyfriend. I think this is a widespread attitude, especially among poorer and younger girls. I do think we had some genuine chemistry, or she was an amazing actress, as the sex was good and naturally flowing.

5) There are some genuinely sweet girls out there who are not interesada (gold diggers) at all. I went out with a girl I'd talked to on Facebook who was super sweet with me and very cool about money issues, especially for a Colombian. She paid for her own taxi to the date at a Peruvian restaurant in Laureles. She paid for our metro fares around the city as we went up to the Parque Arvi line afterward. Those sort of little gestures are a huge positive sign for me that I'm not dealing with an interesada. There was also lots of hand-holding and hugging from the beginning of our date and she made sweet gestures like giving me an earbud to listen to music and offering me use of her phone's hotspot when I was having internet issues. After going up the cable car and back, I offered for her to hang out at my place and had sex with her. She was pretty kinky / wild. She knew how to deepthroat and did CIM with swallow and told me about a lot of crazy sexual things she tried in the past. Her pictures were better looking than in person (which is another issue you commonly run into). But I think her sweetness and energy more than made up for that. She didn't want and I didn't offer any money to her. Her family owned a big pizza spot in Manrique and she was relatively well off. I only ended up being able to see her once. I think she was a bit off put by the fact I was married as well (something I thought I'd told her in chat but that seems to have only come out after we had sex).

6) The last girl I met was the best girl I met on this trip and someone I'd keep in touch with. She ended up being that "the me lo que quieres" type which we talked about quite explicitly and at length as I got to know her better. However, I'm more than happy to give this girl a little money because she ended up being one of the freakiest women I've met in my life (not just Colombia) and we had great energy and chemistry together. She is a light-skinned morena with straight her, a decent but not incredible face but a smoking body. I wouldn't have taken her for a freak as her pictures on her Facebook are quite conservative. I'd chatted with her since July and she has a boyfriend, which weirded me out a bit as I was worried I might have some Colombian guy after me if I saw her. However, it seems she is in some sort of open relationship and her boyfriend is ok with her fucking other guys, which I realize is also not so uncommon, especially in the pro-to-semipro realm. Anyway, I decided to have a beer on la 70 with her when I had a free moment because we'd been chatting so long and she'd been saying she wanted to see me. But I had no expectations of actually fucking her. We talked about a lot of things and our conversation turned to things like our craziest sexual experiences. I told her about how I enjoyed the swinger club here in Medellin and it became clear she'd never gone but was interested in the experience. She also made it clear to me that she was very open-minded sexually and liked having sex, so I thought why not and took her back to my apartment (I actually flaked on another girl I was planning to see). Anyway, after a few drinks and more talking we got to sex. I found out quickly she was into being dominated and degraded. She asked me to choke her and spit on her face while we were having sex and got off on me cumming on her face and begging for my leche. I gave her 200 k and paid for her taxis, which she was happy with.

On my last night in Medellin, I took her out again to tres cordilleras brewery where there was a cover band playing rock when we came, and afterwards took her to La Piscina. I've been to La Piscina once before with another open-minded girl and had a lot of fun (to the point where I've recommended it as one of my favorite spots in the city). This girl took to the swingers club like a duck to water. She was dancing on me naked in no time, sucking me off in front of everyone, and fucking in the jacuzzi like a natural. She also was intrigued by the BDSM room and asked for me to fuck her in the stockade they had there (which was cool in theory but kind of hard in practice given our body types / sizes). We also had sex in the smoking room next to my buddy and his girl. The craziest part, though is when we found a quiet place for me to cum (as fucking in front of people makes it harder for me to cum). She was masturbating as I jerked off on her face and squirted all over my leg as I came. We were also approached by a girl who was looking to swap or I think get at me. I let my girl deal with her, as I think that's the gentlemanly thing to do given the situation. They danced on each other a bit but it was my girl's judgment that she wasn't hot enough to do anything with. Piscinas had about 30 or 40 couples there when we were there and there were plenty of girls stripping, a couple of couples that fucked on stage, and a couple of girls that fucked each other on stage. It remains one of my favorite places to go, with a freaky girl of course. My buddy's girl was less comfortable with the environment and he didn't have nearly as good of a time as the two of us. I gave this girl another 200 k after we had gone out and had been fucking in Las Piscinas for four hours straight. The lines here are way blurrier around money than in other spots. I felt like we had really great chemistry and mutual attraction making the sex and companionship as good or better than any nonpro I've been with (she squirted on me after all jajaja). So I'd be more than happy to give her a bit of money when we see each other next time I'm in Medellin.

Overall, I'm starting to think that good semipros may be a better long-term way of developing a stable of girls than nonpros, though I'm still happy to fuck nonpros. I'd suggest that you should focus on more middle and upper-class types if you want true nonpros. Also clearly discuss sex and money issues in person on your date or in chats. Most girls are open and / or fine with those sorts of discussions about what they expect (I. E. Money for sex). You can pretty much get everything you'd get sexually with a nonpro from a semipro as well. The only thing that may be lacking is the rush that comes when deep feelings are present. Nonpros I've met in the past, especially the poorer ones tend to be waiting for you to show affection by sending a little money or helping them out financially in a jam. So the differences are more nuanced than one might think.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2782401]A Contrasena is a temporary ID issued by the Government that can be obtained and used by a Colombian while waiting for a Cedula.
It has a photograph of the individual, their Cedula number, along with having an expiration date on it.
The Contrasena will be accepted in lieu of a Cedula, however cannot be used for airline travel.[/QUOTE]The Contrasena will NOT be accepted in lieu of a Cedula in ALL places. Firsthand knowledge: San Peter will not allow chica with contrasena to enter the building.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2782468]The Contrasena will NOT be accepted in lieu of a Cedula in ALL places. Firsthand knowledge: San Peter will not allow chica with contrasena to enter the building.[/QUOTE]Or even hardly any places. My girlfriend left her ID at the bus station in Valledupar when she went to Medellin to look for a job. I went to visit and stayed at the San Peter. They would not let her in with that picture bullshit. I cursed her out and asked her how she even thought that could be a thing. She claimed the people thought she was a hooker. I said no because a friend of mine came over once and I wanted to show him the place but they would not let him in either because he did not have ID with him.

She did not last long in Medellin. She was staying up high in the hood with her cousin who is a nurse. She said she could not take living in those barrio conditions. When we went to her cousin's place it felt like the taxi was about to pop a wheelie with those steep inclines.

After we got there she wanted to go smoke some weed. We went crossing a river, past a play ground, and back into some woods and she bought a blunt from some guy there. She gave him a 20 and he was supposed to bring her some chage back. He never came back. I was like he ain't going nowhere; you can get it from him next time. It was pitch black dark but the view was amazing.

We walked back to the apartment and I had the munchies like a mf. I saw a store with an ice cream cooler in the distance. I said I am going to be mad as hell if that shit is a mirage or if it is empty when we get there. It was real though and I bought the three of us ice cream.

We went back to the section where her cousin lives and stood out eating our ice creams. I kept taking my phone out to take some nice pictures that I imagined. Her cousin kept telling me to keep my phone in my pocket before I get robbed. I said what the fuck are we doing standing out here eating ice cream if it is so damn dangerous. She claimed we would not get rob if they could not visibly see anything to rob us for.

I finally called an Uber to get the hell out of there. The street was so narrow and inclined that it took the Uber like 20 minutes to turn the car around. He was sweating like a mf and I was ducked down. I think he finally just ended up going in reverse to the next intersection where he could turn it around. They had told me to get in the car and don't look back. LOL.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782454]Thanks I very much enjoyed reading your post and really looking forward to post two and who the freakiest girl in MDE is. I def into trying a PSE session or two.

Is the he Cristal you referenced?

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/exquisita-y-rica-dama-te-hara-temblar-de-placer-id-7td2e[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes. That's her.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782442]
I also tried a higher end casa Ellas Erotic in Luareles. They have a couple of locations one of which is near the church of the Americas and is 5 minutes from where I was staying in Santa Monica. It's definitely a bit more upscale than the Centro spots but I'd also recommend it, rough edges and implementation aside. They have a website [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/[/URL] which lists the girls in their two locations and their extras. They cover 80 k half hour and 140 k for the hour. You send a WhatsApp and make an appointment with the chica you want to see. I found the whole website and system to be clunky and confusing, especially with the two locations. The girl's names aren't listed on the main page (you have to click on photos). I asked who was available the day I went and it was hard to quickly settle on a choice given the two locations and lack of names on the landing page. Because of these issues, I ended up booking a girl at the wrong location. Luckily they were willing to give me a lineup when I arrived at the Americas location. The facilities are definitely more upscale and the girls were generally a bit hotter as well. I ended up going for an hour with Zoe. She is a cute morena clara with a nice tight body and is studying business. I had a pleasant hour with her and we had sex for most of the hour. We hit it off well and seemed to have a good connection as I made her laugh repeatedly. I asked her to show me the craziest positions she knew and we invented a few together as well. She has anal and BBBJ as extras. She wouldn't do anal with me due to my size / thickness but she said she does it with most guys. Definitely a pro but in a good way. She'd punch my arm when I teased her and made her laugh and accuse me of making her look unprofessional / abandon her image and decor.
[/QUOTE]Very nice report, Thanks a lot for sharing the details.

I would love to expand my knowledge of casa in laureles. Sometimes going to centro seems like a bad option. Is Ellas Erotic close to Energy Spa? Are they usually not inclined to show you the line up And how much extra you had to pay for kissing, BBBJ etc?

Thanks for a wonderful report. Haven't seen one like this for a long time.

Is it generally safe to visit the prepagos in their apartments?

[QUOTE=MarcoReyes;2782422]Hey guys, this is my first post but I've been a long time reader of this thread. I have traveled to Medellin about 4 times in the past two and a half years and have found some decent success. I find myself now looking to expand into other ways of getting girls and building up a solid roster I am completely happy with. I've tried online escorts (mileroticos, pasionprepago and photoprepagos), Seeking, Tinder and now trying the FaceBook game. Here is some of the things I've experienced and learned about, ranging from the order of my most used methods to least used. This is only my personal experience and you're allowed to share a different perspective to educate myself and others:

Online: Pasion prepagos Medellin (search in google) is probably the most reliable website I use, photoprepagos being next with Mileroticos last but probably will find cheaper girls who are more flexible. Online is my PRIMARY way of hooking up with girls here because of how easy it is to contact the girls from WhatsApp and plan a date. The pros are that you get lots of variety and can make a list of girls you're interested in quick. Also, if there is chemistry with a girl you can have a really great time with a hot girl for very good prices by US dollar standards. The cons is that it is sometimes very hit or miss. You will get the service but some girls can rush, some might not get too into it, some might not do things you want so it is important to establish clarity before the meeting. It is also really taboo to ask for pics from these working girls, they'll usually redirect you to their ad even when they actually do look like their pics, I assume is for safety / privacy reasons. Even though some of the pics might hide some stuff, I've felt that I haven't gotten catfished too bad. These chicks are also all about the money and the really good ones can be very difficult to set up a date with, sometimes other girls will have you come to their casa and they hook you up with a different girl smh. I am fluent in Spanish so they never get to play games with me but it is very frustrating when you're really horny so beware of that and tried to confirm for sure that the session will be ONLY with the chick you're talking to. Overall I want to grow away from online escorts for girls who are less transactional, more consistent and with less direct competition for their time.

Seeking: I tried seeking and I was surprised by the amount of attention I got, for any guy with decent pics its a gold mine for attracting. Going through with dates / lays is another story though. There are different types of girls on seeking, most popular are working girls in disguise for more money & higher quality men than paisa men and also spoiled girls who are trying to get as much money as possible from foreigners in USD, trips or experiences. I found that my best strategy is funnel the massive amounts of leads to WhatsApp and figure out the girls I'll go out with from there. It's a cool process but you later find out it can be long tedious work. Pros: Girls are hot, lots of variety and girls usually answer reply at high rates, you can also ask for pics. There might be some non working girls who are new to this and if you get them to like you it CAN be way worth the $100. I still fuck with a girl I met from my first trip using Seeking, she used it to meet higher status guys while she was having some issues with her husband. I don't totally condone this but it took a while to get her comfortable enough to meet and get in bed, she is very appreciative / not high maintenance at all and until this day whenever I come back in town she makes time and effort to meet up and do everything bareback. She deleted seeking but did webcam for some time and is now doing normal work.

The cons: not every chick is like this, I'll say the majority will try to maximize the amount of money and experiences they can get from you shamelessly and will be already talking to a bunch of guys looking to do the same. I went on lots of dates my previous trips and I noticed I spent so much time vetting and planning for some of these girls to take them out on a date, that ended up a bit expensive anyway and for me to end up paying 300 k for mediocre sex smh. I realized towards the end of the trip that it was better for my mental health and time efficiency to just get escorts online because at least these girls know they're there to fuck, the vetting process is way less time consuming and they're not out here asking for phones and rent a few days into meeting you. The worst thing as a guy is investing so much time, money and energy on a chick who you think is just hot and the sex ends up being mediocre and the whole time you're thinking, I should of just hit up Mia for some proper hot 200 k sex for an hour and be happy the rest of the day 😂. Some girls are glorified expensive working girls. If you have lots of money to spend is probably your best option though, you can meet some hot young spoiled girls. I have a lot of numbers and decent girls from my previous trips using seeking but I only actively repeat with the girl I mentioned earlier and one other short red haired tiny chica who probably gives one of the best heads but quotes me 300 k / HR + taxi every time. I think she is just a working girl through seeking but is a bit too transactional despite being punctual and is getting older and chubbier lately. I don't think I will use seeking for this trip because of the time consuming nature of it but have contacts for some girls that I didn't meet last time. Now I will approach it with way less time investment and energy. All the leads you get can from seeking can be overwhelming and I did not spend as much time being present in the moment my last trip using seeking, I was constantly on my phone looking for the next hot girl who might be cool LOL. P.S. : I strongly believe there is just as many girls who are hot here in Medellin and don't know how far their hotness can take them so I am mostly look for these type of girls.

Tinder: I've only met one girl from here and it was cool but it wasn't worth it. She was a "church girl" but she got me weed, she gave me head but I didn't end up sleeping with her at the end. Tinder just doesn't work for me at all and I'm heavily turned off by the horror stories I hear from there.

FaceBook game: Brand new to this, made an account a week prior to coming but having very limited success so far. From what I heard it has huge potential and I would appreciate some advice on how I can leverage this account to get more lowkey normal or semi pro girls. I have a pro camera that I use for video content back home so all my pics are decent but I still struggle to get some replies and accepted requests. I currently have 49 friends. I've looked through this thread but haven't found much on the things I can post to have some sort of engagement in my profile and not appear as a bot. I added people using the chicacheck website and added some of the good reviewed girls friends but maybe there's more I can do? If anyone wants to connect and share some contacts or advice etc direct message me here or on FaceBook where I have the same name as here + it says I'm from Tampa, FL and born in Medellin.

Street / Casas / brothels: Have only gone to one in Centro and was not very impressed at that time of day. It was also a quick stop and I had no intentions of getting with a girl. I think there is potential here to get some proper sluts for a low price which I am very in favor of but I am not willing to do this by myself. If anyone wants to adventure out, have a good time and check out some of the popular places on here together DM me, I am open to exploring more during this trip.

Day game: Only did day game once here but the quality of the girls you approach is much higher than online for obvious reasons. I mostly talk to girls doing normal jobs and have had success considering how little I've done it. I am open to doing more of this during this trip.

Overall this trip:

I find myself in a unique position where I have a father that lives and does business here so I am staying for over a month this time around and I'm able to stay at any hotel I want because I am not tied down to one place that I'm already paying for. I am a fluent Spanish speaker, I know a few of older locals through family (they're always working, no money + time) and will like to meet other mongers to have fun, introduce and meet girls. My goal this trip is to create so much value on my FB page from hanging out and going to cool places that I have inbound girls in the DM's that are comfortable enough to hang out, and then later build out a solid roster with attractive non pro and semi pro girls that I get from FB, day game etc. Using these consistent properly vetted girls I want to meet with other ambitious mongers (LOL) and see if we can host fun private parties and shit (nothing crazy), maybe create some content for some of these girls for some extended play time. I know a few places that aren't too expensive and with the right girls, can be a fucking blast! These are all ideas and I am open to sharing what I've learned during my trips and hearing criticism. I barely drink alcohol and smoke weed during the night sometimes just to sleep and fuck mostly, but I am not judgmental as long as you don't let any of that shit negatively affect yourself and others. I have hella game, can communicate well and can figure out suspicious situations / people so hit me up if you want to kick it one of these days and want to wander a little more comfortable during your stay. I am staying until the 20th of February. I can expand on some of my points with more information to whoever is curious on here and responds to this thread. I will do some more reports throughout my trips hopefully some of you guys get some value from them![/QUOTE]

I spent about 40 days between Nov'22 & Jan'23 in Medellin. I was mostly repeating with casas in Centro, especially New Life and Zandaly. On holidays, it seems only New life is an option. On Jan9th holiday, Zandaly, Amigas sexy, Dulce, Aifle are all closed.

Prices as of Jan'23: Aifle 55/30 90/60. Zandaly 85/60. New life 60/30 +20 k for each additional 15 min.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2782446]You are right. He is not really wrong if he had qualified with the word [B]some popular[/B]. They were finding girls in the wrong place[/QUOTE]That's a very good point. A girl that's been in this game a while (and become well-known among the gringo crowd on FB or SA) might feel emboldened to hold out for a higher rate. I don't want that girl. The newer girls are generally a better experience.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782466]I'm also really into nonpros and semipros as I've written about and have previously written about some of those experiences. I primarily use Facebook but have also started to use Instagram and tinder a bit. I've written about some of my methods for finding nonpros and semipros in previous posts on Facebook. I don't bother with paid services like Seeking or Colombian Cupid as Facebook has generally been a good source of girls for me. For safety my advise is always to chat as extensively with girls as possible and ask for social media (if you meet them on tinder) as well as about jobs, studying, barrio etc.

Now, my primary goal (this is my 5th trip) has been to develop a stable core of girls I can see in the future. I've developed what I consider deep connections with four or five girls in the past but its been hard to keep things up in the past due to emotional issues (primarily the fact I'm married and in an open relationship) or money issues as I'm not especially interested in sending money to girls when I'm not there. These past girls are all nonpros or at least did not charge me money upfront for sex. Of course, the lines here are quite blurred. I had issues this trip, for example, with a girl I'd seen in July who I'd had a great time with. She went to Las Piscinas with my in July and we had some crazy sex together. This time, she had just come home from a vacation and flaked on me a couple times. The timing may have been bad, but the flaking wasn't cool in my book. This girl is webcam, onlyfans and dates guys as a semipro but she'd been clear with me in the past that we were true friends and she didn't want any money from me. I was also minorly in love with a webcam girl I met in last January who had feelings for me as well but we ended up clashing and fighting due to those emotional issues. I have started rethinking issues surrounding money and may send small amounts of money randomly, for birthdays or special occasions. It seems like a good way of showing affection and fitting the local culture. Ultimately I think investing a little money could be worth it if I can maintain the sorts of connections I want. There are also some great semipros out there and I may focus more on some of them.

I set up concrete dates with eight girls, went out with six girls, and ended up sleeping with three of them. I found the girls on Facebook and one from tinder using criteria for semi to nonpros I've previously written about. I enjoyed the dates generally as I picked out restaurants I would have liked to eat at anyway and places I wanted to visit. I'd generally offer up a potential second part to the date if I enjoyed the girls company. On all of the occasions, I felt there was good chemistry I had no trouble inviting a girl back to my place after that first date.

Now in terms of dating there are a few things to watch out for. 1) There are a number of flaky girls. You will probably have some ditch plans with you. There were a few girls I wanted to see that I never managed to make concrete plans with and a couple who made plans with me and bailed on those plans due to weather, being scared or other issues.

2) There are girls that are interested but scared of seeing you. I did have lunch at Mayorca mall with an 18 year I'd been chatting with who worked there to reassure her. She still chickened out of a second date despite being affectionate when I saw her. I've had similar issues in the past. I'd also say past good dates don't guarantee you'll see a girl in the future. I had a great date with a girl I met in July who was begging me to come to my apartment that last trip. Either she was genuinely busy or significantly cooled to me this time. I'd write off any girls that are unsure or seem like they'd chicken out due to the wealth of options out there.

3) there is a class of girl that is looking to make gringo friends to take her out on your dime. I'm agnostic about this. I don't mind making platonic friends if the girl is genuinely cool. For example, I went out with a strata 5 law student this trip who speaks English fluently and told me a lot of interesting things about Medellin. She was so interested I'd be happy to take her out again as I know I'd learn more about the city, culture and possibly go places I didn't know about with her. These girls can also be useful local connections as well. I've known another girl since July who has taken me to some cool spots and helped me set up a tooth cleaning and find different things in the city. However, I'm not interested in making loads of those sorts of friendships. I also went out with another girl like that (costena) I met on tinder for coffee who was at least a cheap date. She was nice enough but no clear chemistry. I played up the body language game touching her arm, shoulders, brushing her hair etc and even asked her about things but didn't get a great response from her. But conversation and company for 10 am coffee weren't bad for the price of taxis and a cup of coffee.

4) Finally there are some semipros who will just assume you know that they want money without asking for it. This is not a bad thing necessarily unless you are expressly avoiding paid sex. These tend to be younger and poorer girls. You should easily be able to figure this out, though, when you talk to them either in person or over chat. If you are trying to avoid paid sex, I'd talk about how you prefer "sexo con atracion mutuo" vs. "sexo pagado" and see what their reactions are. I did have a funny issue this trip with a girl I met where I forgot to have that conversation. She was 18 years old and tiny (like 4 feet tall) but cute and she was from a very poor / troubled background in Manrique. I took her out to eat (paid taxis etc) and at the end of the meal she asked me if I wanted to take her to my place. She was cute enough so I thought why not though I didn't think hard about how much money I had on me. Anyway, she was very affectionate with me the whole time and we had great sex. Everything was very GFE. Lots of making out, groping in the shower, and a couple of rounds of sex in different positions. She was more the romantic / affectionate than wild type. At the end of the date after we were getting the taxi at the door she asked if I was going to give her anything. I had 100 k in my wallet, which I gave her. Afterward, I got messages about how she wasn't a "puta barrata" and such, which was kind of funny (I guess she thought of herself as a puta carra). Luckily no issues, though. But I could have avoided issues if I'd been more careful talking about sex beforehand. I also clearly told her that she should tell gringos she was looking for money for sex, especially if they took her out to eat vs. Asking her to come to their apartments. I think we ended on ok terms and maybe she learned a valuable lesson. It's funny because she told me the only person she'd ever have unpaid sex with would be a boyfriend. I think this is a widespread attitude, especially among poorer and younger girls. I do think we had some genuine chemistry, or she was an amazing actress, as the sex was good and naturally flowing.

5) There are some genuinely sweet girls out there who are not interesada (gold diggers) at all. I went out with a girl I'd talked to on Facebook who was super sweet with me and very cool about money issues, especially for a Colombian. She paid for her own taxi to the date at a Peruvian restaurant in Laureles. She paid for our metro fares around the city as we went up to the Parque Arvi line afterward. Those sort of little gestures are a huge positive sign for me that I'm not dealing with an interesada. There was also lots of hand-holding and hugging from the beginning of our date and she made sweet gestures like giving me an earbud to listen to music and offering me use of her phone's hotspot when I was having internet issues. After going up the cable car and back, I offered for her to hang out at my place and had sex with her. She was pretty kinky / wild. She knew how to deepthroat and did CIM with swallow and told me about a lot of crazy sexual things she tried in the past. Her pictures were better looking than in person (which is another issue you commonly run into). But I think her sweetness and energy more than made up for that. She didn't want and I didn't offer any money to her. Her family owned a big pizza spot in Manrique and she was relatively well off. I only ended up being able to see her once. I think she was a bit off put by the fact I was married as well (something I thought I'd told her in chat but that seems to have only come out after we had sex).

6) The last girl I met was the best girl I met on this trip and someone I'd keep in touch with. She ended up being that "the me lo que quieres" type which we talked about quite explicitly and at length as I got to know her better. However, I'm more than happy to give this girl a little money because she ended up being one of the freakiest women I've met in my life (not just Colombia) and we had great energy and chemistry together. She is a light-skinned morena with straight her, a decent but not incredible face but a smoking body. I wouldn't have taken her for a freak as her pictures on her Facebook are quite conservative. I'd chatted with her since July and she has a boyfriend, which weirded me out a bit as I was worried I might have some Colombian guy after me if I saw her. However, it seems she is in some sort of open relationship and her boyfriend is ok with her fucking other guys, which I realize is also not so uncommon, especially in the pro-to-semipro realm. Anyway, I decided to have a beer on la 70 with her when I had a free moment because we'd been chatting so long and she'd been saying she wanted to see me. But I had no expectations of actually fucking her. We talked about a lot of things and our conversation turned to things like our craziest sexual experiences. I told her about how I enjoyed the swinger club here in Medellin and it became clear she'd never gone but was interested in the experience. She also made it clear to me that she was very open-minded sexually and liked having sex, so I thought why not and took her back to my apartment (I actually flaked on another girl I was planning to see). Anyway, after a few drinks and more talking we got to sex. I found out quickly she was into being dominated and degraded. She asked me to choke her and spit on her face while we were having sex and got off on me cumming on her face and begging for my leche. I gave her 200 k and paid for her taxis, which she was happy with.

On my last night in Medellin, I took her out again to tres cordilleras brewery where there was a cover band playing rock when we came, and afterwards took her to La Piscina. I've been to La Piscina once before with another open-minded girl and had a lot of fun (to the point where I've recommended it as one of my favorite spots in the city). This girl took to the swingers club like a duck to water. She was dancing on me naked in no time, sucking me off in front of everyone, and fucking in the jacuzzi like a natural. She also was intrigued by the BDSM room and asked for me to fuck her in the stockade they had there (which was cool in theory but kind of hard in practice given our body types / sizes). We also had sex in the smoking room next to my buddy and his girl. The craziest part, though is when we found a quiet place for me to cum (as fucking in front of people makes it harder for me to cum). She was masturbating as I jerked off on her face and squirted all over my leg as I came. We were also approached by a girl who was looking to swap or I think get at me. I let my girl deal with her, as I think that's the gentlemanly thing to do given the situation. They danced on each other a bit but it was my girl's judgment that she wasn't hot enough to do anything with. Piscinas had about 30 or 40 couples there when we were there and there were plenty of girls stripping, a couple of couples that fucked on stage, and a couple of girls that fucked each other on stage. It remains one of my favorite places to go, with a freaky girl of course. My buddy's girl was less comfortable with the environment and he didn't have nearly as good of a time as the two of us. I gave this girl another 200 k after we had gone out and had been fucking in Las Piscinas for four hours straight. The lines here are way blurrier around money than in other spots. I felt like we had really great chemistry and mutual attraction making the sex and companionship as good or better than any nonpro I've been with (she squirted on me after all jajaja). So I'd be more than happy to give her a bit of money when we see each other next time I'm in Medellin.

Overall, I'm starting to think that good semipros may be a better long-term way of developing a stable of girls than nonpros, though I'm still happy to fuck nonpros. I'd suggest that you should focus on more middle and upper-class types if you want true nonpros. Also clearly discuss sex and money issues in person on your date or in chats. Most girls are open and / or fine with those sorts of discussions about what they expect (I. E. Money for sex). You can pretty much get everything you'd get sexually with a nonpro from a semipro as well. The only thing that may be lacking is the rush that comes when deep feelings are present. Nonpros I've met in the past, especially the poorer ones tend to be waiting for you to show affection by sending a little money or helping them out financially in a jam. So the differences are more nuanced than one might think.[/QUOTE]Damn, knowing Spanish will definitely elevates one trip to Colombia it seems.

I assume that all the girls at La Piscina come with their partners and going Solo they wouldn't let you in?

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782523]Damn, knowing Spanish will definitely elevates one trip to Colombia it seems.

I assume that all the girls at La Piscina come with their partners and going Solo they wouldn't let you in?[/QUOTE]You do not have to quote the entire post to say a couple of words. You can delete the part of the post that is not relevant to what you are responding to.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782451]Could you share info on what company you use. I am sort of Familiar with the e sim I use it as my main sim back home and was able to get a physical sim to use simultaneously while in Thailand but I didn't know you could get an esim in a foreign country as well?[/QUOTE]I use google fi on my secondary (burner) phone. I set up the line usually a week before I leave the states. I get the unlimited package with unlimited international data. I set it up using esim. It's one less thing I got to worry about. And like I mention. IPhone 10 and above allows you to use dual phone lines. For the ones that travels with a single phone.

They have gangbang nights on Tuesdays and Thursdays for single guys. They hire prepagos. I'm not sure that's my cup of tea, though. I'm a little too freaked out about diseases considering there are two to five prepagos servicing a bunch of random guys. Otherwise you want to bring a date to La Piscina. With some searching, you can find a casa, strip club, or online girl that may be interested. My buddy paid a girl he liked from Zandaly 450 k to go with him and had a good time the first time he went. He took a Facebook girl / escort the second time for 200 k but had a worse time as she wasn't into it. You can also get lucky and stumble on freakier girls, as has been my case. The first time I went it was because my amiga told me going to a swinger's club was her fantasy.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782523]Damn, knowing Spanish will definitely elevates one trip to Colombia it seems.

I assume that all the girls at La Piscina come with their partners and going Solo they wouldn't let you in?[/QUOTE]

Ellas Erotic is near the America's church. I don't remember where Energy Spa is in relation. I'm not a huge fan of Energy based on the one time I went. I actually didn't ask about the extras. You can go to their website, WhatsApp them and I'm sure they'll tell you. My guess might be 60-80 k but that's a guess. They don't say they do a lineup or accept walk-ins and want you to choose a girl off the website. I'd say pictures are fairly accurate based on the two I saw.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2782495]Very nice report, Thanks a lot for sharing the details.

I would love to expand my knowledge of casa in laureles. Sometimes going to centro seems like a bad option. Is Ellas Erotic close to Energy Spa? Are they usually not inclined to show you the line up And how much extra you had to pay for kissing, BBBJ etc?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2782420]First of all, everything you do is unique and special in comparison to everyone else on this site so nothing applies to you so stop defending yourself. Everyone knows just how special you are. (Just wait for it guys. He will write pages on my comment to correct me. He simply can not help himself.).[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE]Precautions for pickpocketing applies in every country you go to in all locations day or night. The difference is when a gun is shown or they beat you up for your stuff. You simply should not go walking alone or drunk in the middle of the night in at least 60% of every city in Colombia. But yet you can do just that in Thailand or the Philippines (only countries I know and can compare) with no problems.[/QUOTE]Pickpockets usually don't pull a gun or knife, or beat their victims up.

You shouldn't go walking alone and drunk anywhere. If you're unable to control your drinking stay home, or hire a babysitter.

[QUOTE]Most countries you only have to worry about taking out your phone when walking along a street where a motorcycle can come up behind you and snatch it. In Colombia a group of guys will walk right up to you in broad daylight and attack you for it in the front of 50+ people. The people will only watch and will not help you. Seen that many times.[/QUOTE]How many times? I've never seen it, but I'm sure it could happen. Seems unlikely if you keep your phone securely tucked away in your front pocket.

[QUOTE]Colombia is flat out a different animal in comparison to most other monger locations for two main reasons in my eyes. First, there are very few of us to support the others and no "foreigner" areas where huge numbers of foreigners can be found so you are basically on your own. Second, is the huge amount of Venies that need money to survive and to send back home.[/QUOTE]Every different country is a different country. See if you can guess why. Every country has different cultural norms, different slang and different things to watch out for. If you're going to Colombia and expecting Thailand then Jajaja or 555 on you.

[QUOTE]Also, prostitutes steal from customers in every country so no news there. But I do not think using scopolamine to rob customers is used in such abundance elsewhere. Using scopolamine has killed several foreigners each and every year in Colombia. Is this common anywhere else? Comments any one because I am curious myself.[/QUOTE]Scopolamine is just one of many drugs used to incapacitate people. I know a 50 year old small town school teacher (and she hasn't aged well) who was drugged in a small town bar by a guy hoping to rape her. It can happen anywhere. However, in Medellin, if you're aware of the risks and take simple precautions, the risk is almost zero.

BTW My experiences are my experiences. I make no claims about them, except that they are accurate to the best of my ability. For example, I will never claim to have seen something many times if I've only seen it once or heard about it from another source.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782487]Or even hardly any places. My girlfriend left her ID at the bus station in Valledupar when she went to Medellin to look for a job. I went to visit and stayed at the San Peter. They would not let her in with that picture bullshit. I cursed her out and asked her how she even thought that could be a thing. She claimed the people thought she was a hooker. I said no because a friend of mine came over once and I wanted to show him the place but they would not let him in either because he did not have ID with him.

She did not last long in Medellin. She was staying up high in the hood with her cousin who is a nurse. She said she could not take living in those barrio conditions. When we went to her cousin's place it felt like the taxi was about to pop a wheelie with those steep inclines.

After we got there she wanted to go smoke some weed. We went crossing a river, past a play ground, and back into some woods and she bought a blunt from some guy there. She gave him a 20 and he was supposed to bring her some chage back. He never came back. I was like he ain't going nowhere; you can get it from him next time. It was pitch black dark but the view was amazing.

We walked back to the apartment and I had the munchies like a mf. I saw a store with an ice cream cooler in the distance. I said I am going to be mad as hell if that shit is a mirage or if it is empty when we get there. It was real though and I bought the three of us ice cream..[/QUOTE]I feel for your Uber driver. I ended up in one of those areas and had to back down 3 blocks with no room on either side and pedestrians everywhere. Google maps works better with the building name than with the address when you get up in the hills.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782294]Although 1 guy did try to pick my pocket (and failed), I never felt threatened or nervous. During much of the time I was with my girlfriend and her family. We were our all hours of the day and night. Nobody was hiding, or looking over their shoulder. Just relaxed good times.

Of course everyone takes normal precautions. When my girlfriend had to go to El Centro she messaged me saying she didn't want to take her phone out while she was there. That's just common sense.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782487]I kept taking my phone out to take some nice pictures that I imagined. Her cousin kept telling me to keep my phone in my pocket before I get robbed. I said what the fuck are we doing standing out here eating ice cream if it is so damn dangerous. She claimed we would not get rob if they could not visibly see anything to rob us for.[/QUOTE]Just relaxed good times huh? But someone tried to steal from you. Your girl told you she was basically nervous to take her phone out in Centro. Mr. E's girl tells him to put his phone in his pocket or he would get robbed way up in the hills. If you wear trendy clothes and are alone you need to be worried. It is true and sad but you need to dress generic and not flashy and keep your phone hidden and stay in groups at night. This is not normal in many other mongering spots. You have to be alert at all times. You can not "Just Relax" as you say.

At night you should not walk home long distances but always take a taxi. This advice has been repeated a thousand times on this site for a reason. You have to be a little bit paranoid.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2782369]Nice post. Can you elaborate on what makes Germany superior to the others if you got the cash? Any comparisons between Colombia and Thailand. Never been to Asia or Europe, but it's on my radar.[/QUOTE]Germany is superior only if you like European girls, specifically Eastern Europeans. I happen to like that quality so I visit Germany every year. Google German FKKs for more info.

I happen to like both Colombia and Thailand as well. But I feel much safer in Thailand and their food is excellent.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782466] I'd suggest that you should focus on more middle and upper-class types if you want true nonpros[/QUOTE]This is a good post. Yeah, you want to focus any long term efforts on the women who are white collar or studying to be. Otherwise, you should keep things as P4P. You can tell how much someone really likes you by how quickly they head for the door after they get their money.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782466] Nonpros I've met in the past, especially the poorer ones tend to be waiting for you to show affection by sending a little money or helping them out financially in a jam. So the differences are more nuanced than one might think.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have done that and thought about it. For the most part, my giving gifts was like advertising to the women I underpaid them. I know you feel good doing it but more often than not you will regret it.

You might want to look at Bogota. Women there are a little less pretty, but I found the women there to be ambitious, friendlier, and all in all, better long term prospects. Yeah, the city is not as livable is Medellin, but you also have a lot more to choose from.

But yeah, you have it figured out. The best and most satisfying part of mongering is building up a harem of sugar babies and always looking to make it better.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782466]I'm also really into nonpros and semipros as I've written about and have previously written about some of those experiences. I primarily use Facebook but have also started to use Instagram and tinder a bit. I've written about some of my methods for finding nonpros and semipros in previous posts on Facebook. I don't bother with paid services like Seeking or Colombian Cupid as Facebook has generally been a good source of girls for me. For safety my advise is always to chat as extensively with girls as possible and ask for social media (if you meet them on tinder) as well as about jobs, studying, barrio etc.

Now, my primary goal (this is my 5th trip) has been to develop a stable core of girls I can see in the future. I've developed what I consider deep connections with four or five girls in the past but its been hard to keep things up in the past due to emotional issues (primarily the fact I'm married and in an open relationship) or money issues as I'm not especially interested in sending money to girls when I'm not there. These past girls are all nonpros or at least did not charge me money upfront for sex. Of course, the lines here are quite blurred.[/QUOTE]That is a very detailed and informative report I applaud your success. Normally I'd break it up and talk about each section, but I won't be awake that long. You'll figure it out.

Unless you want to get into a regular routine of sending money, I suggest sending gifts. I know a girl whose birthday is the day before mine. I'll buy some lingerie and maybe a vibrator from one of the Medellin sex shops and have it all delivered. Then she can use her presents to make my present.

The swinger scene is a blast with the right girl. Now I'm thinking about hitting a club in Bogota.

Nothing wrong with just making friends with girls. You invite them out and invite their friends as well. You might get lucky.

A contrasena issued by the government can be used as identification at the discretion of the hotel. San Peter has strict rules for visitors I know as I used to stay there. If a girl is known at the hotel and has her cedula on file, then it is up to the discretion of the hotel. I know because one of my girls lost her cedula and she was granted access to the hotel I am staying. My hotel is a 4 star hotel.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2782468]The Contrasena will NOT be accepted in lieu of a Cedula in ALL places. Firsthand knowledge: San Peter will not allow chica with contrasena to enter the building.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2782585]Germany is superior only if you like European girls, specifically Eastern Europeans. ...[/QUOTE]That is true, but I think he is comparing brothels or casas specifically.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2782526]You do not have to quote the entire post to say a couple of words....[/QUOTE]I just sucked it up. It only wasted about 10 minutes of my life scrolling. LOL.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2782645]A contrasena issued by the government can be used as identification at the discretion of the hotel. San Peter has strict rules for visitors I know as I used to stay there. If a girl is known at the hotel and has her cedula on file, then it is up to the discretion of the hotel. I know because one of my girls lost her cedula and she was granted access to the hotel I am staying. My hotel is a 4 star hotel..[/QUOTE]
The following perhaps only of interest to denizens of the fabled San Peter.

Back in 2022, a chica, whom I had been seeing for 2 or 3 years on a regular basis in my San Peter apartment, lost her cedula. At first reception there wouldn't accept her temporary ID. However, going back through my What's App messages with my amiga, I compiled a chronological list of dates for her prior visits to the San Peter. Based on this (and with the managers OK) the ladies in reception were able to confirm in their log book that she had been admitted to the building many times in the past, and allowed her to visit with me without her original cedula. Peace in the valley and joy in the cama.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2782686]I just sucked it up. It only wasted about 10 minutes of my life scrolling. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, well I would like that 10 minutes of my life back. Mr. E is right. Posting etiquette people please! Don't quote a massive post just to reply with relatively few words in response.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782558]...
How many times? I've never seen it, but I'm sure it could happen. Seems unlikely if you keep your phone securely tucked away in your front pocket.....[/QUOTE]It happened to me. I was surrounded by 3 guys in a crowded area and one guy who spoke English just forced his hand into my front pocket.

Walking alone, especially long distance, is not safe whether you are drunk or not, day or night. It's a probability. It could happen the first day and it could happen the 100th day. One will change one's mind once that has happened. I agree with you about your own experience. That is my experience as well until it happened to me which changed my experience, and my perspective.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2782523]Damn, knowing Spanish will definitely elevates one trip to Colombia it seems.

I assume that all the girls at La Piscina come with their partners and going Solo they wouldn't let you in?[/QUOTE]Yes. Absolutely, fluent language and some money are far better than shitty rich but no hablas espanol.

There is one or 2 weekday nights that solos are allowed but yes, its the couple's entry. It takes a certain type of girl to have a great time there and most chicas catering to gringos don't fit well in to that scene.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2782579]Just relaxed good times huh? But someone tried to steal from you. Your girl told you she was basically nervous to take her phone out in Centro. Mr. E's girl tells him to put his phone in his pocket or he would get robbed way up in the hills. If you wear trendy clothes and are alone you need to be worried. It is true and sad but you need to dress generic and not flashy and keep your phone hidden and stay in groups at night. This is not normal in many other mongering spots. You have to be alert at all times. You can not "Just Relax" as you say.

At night you should not walk home long distances but always take a taxi. This advice has been repeated a thousand times on this site for a reason. You have to be a little bit paranoid.[/QUOTE]I think there is general agreement that Medellin is less safe than many other mongering cities such as Pattaya. There are enough stories about robberies and druggings to make the point. For me, I am a seasoned traveler so it just means being on alert and being careful. If this is not what you want to do on vacation, you should not visit Medellin. I have many friends who are not interested in visiting Medellin because they do not want to worry so much about being a victim of crime and there are safer alternatives. Some feel the same way about Brazil. Great mongering country but places like Rio have a danger of high crime.

I continue to visit Medellin but I try to be more careful and aware of my surroundings when I visit.

This is an old report from at least 6 months ago. I went to the club twice. One night, it was overrun by a bachelor party, so it was not a good night to be shopping for a woman. I settled for a not-so-good-looking one for 300 k pesos. Ugh. Additionally, there was a cover charge to get in -- I think something like $10 USD, but I don't remember for certain. Even though there was a cover charge, a staff member told me that I can either buy a drink or get out. I was walking around after my first encounter, shopping for a better one when the staff member told me this. I realized that this wasn't the best environment due to the bachelor party, so I decided to leave rather than buy a drink LOL.

Night #2 was much better. Way more women than men. I talked to several of the best looking ones. One very popular girl quoted 500 k, but most girls, even the good looking ones quoted 300 k. I went up with a Venezuelan beauty who had a nice set of fake tits. The service wasn't great, and her coochie was smelly. I used a condom for both Oral and FS but still had to go on antibioitics when I got home. I'm not 100% sure I got it from her (especially considering I didn't use a condom for Oral from other providers), but I still think I got it from her LOL.

Another thing about this club. Both nights, I had to wait for a room to be available once I picked my girl. They need more rooms I guess. It's kind of nice because you don't have to pay more, but you can still grope your girl while you wait for your room.

Another reports from a long time ago. At least 6+ months ago. I walked to Gusto's from my apartment, and immediately in the area surrounding Gusto's, there are lots of working women. A lot of them a pretty hot too. I paid the cover to get into Gusto's (maybe it was $20? Maybe a lot less than that? I don't really remember). When I got inside, it was CROWDED. Gusto's isn't really like a strip club the way La Isla is. It's more like a traditional night club, except all the women inside are hookers, and all the men are patrons. It was body to body. The girls in this club were more what you think of when you think Colombiana, for better or for worse. Big, curvy, plastic, done up with hot makeup etc. It wasn't my cup of tea. I thought the girls at La Isla were hotter, but that's kind of like comparing apples and oranges. Go to La Isla if you want a strip club experience. Gusto's if you want a night club experience. Gusto's was a little overwhelming for me. I didn't ask any prices from any girls. I wasn't in a girl friendly hotel anyway, so I didn't have a way to seal the deal with a girl from Gusto's had I wanted to.

They have 2 locations La America and Barrio LOS Colores. [URL]www.ellaserotic.co[/URL].

1 hour $120,000.

1/2 hour $80,000.

Oral natural $40,000.

One of the nicer casa's around.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2782534]Ellas Erotic is near the America's church. I don't remember where Energy Spa is in relation. I'm not a huge fan of Energy based on the one time I went. I actually didn't ask about the extras. You can go to their website, WhatsApp them and I'm sure they'll tell you. My guess might be 60-80 k but that's a guess. They don't say they do a lineup or accept walk-ins and want you to choose a girl off the website. I'd say pictures are fairly accurate based on the two I saw.[/QUOTE]

I plan on giving this place a shot this week after hearing so much about it.

Note about Poblado Clubs like Gustos. From my experience They have older chicas there but lighting is so dark you might not notice. Lleres park seems to attract the younger crowd and you can meet some good candidates there is you go early. It's a little awkward being that it's a bit empty before 10:30 but it also gives you time to select then get out before the crowds.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2782786]They have 2 locations La America and Barrio LOS Colores. [URL]www.ellaserotic.co[/URL].

1 hour $120,000.

1/2 hour $80,000.

Oral natural $40,000.

One of the nicer casa's around.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2782729]I think there is general agreement that Medellin is less safe than many other mongering cities such as Pattaya. There are enough stories about robberies and druggings to make the point. For me, I am a seasoned traveler so it just means being on alert and being careful. If this is not what you want to do on vacation, you should not visit Medellin. I have many friends who are not interested in visiting Medellin because they do not want to worry so much about being a victim of crime and there are safer alternatives. Some feel the same way about Brazil. Great mongering country but places like Rio have a danger of high crime.

I continue to visit Medellin but I try to be more careful and aware of my surroundings when I visit.[/QUOTE]Both Brasil and Colombia have well-earned reputations for being dangerous. They're also my two favorite countries for this hobby. Thailand is great but I just don't feel like traveling for a day to get there. Germany is great but it's cold when I want to go somewhere warm.

Well it was my 2nd time, but first in the situation where I was there for these purposes. Sorry for any of the bad grammar in my post, I just wrote it off the top of my head.

After reading the board and asking a few noob questions, I thought it made by far the most sense to stay in the Mansion. I was traveling solo and I wanted to be somewhere safe and convenient that was catering to this hobby we all share. After staying at the Mansion, first let me say I absolutely loved it, but in hindsight it's probably less secure than I thought. I mean let's be honest, it's essentially one gate to get in, with people coming and going all day and night. Guys with guns could jack everyone's shit. Also the room doors were like the locks in doors inside an American house, no deadbolts, etc. There was a safe in your room and it serves it's purpose, but the first night I wasn't super comfortable falling asleep from a safety perspective. Despite that, I loved it and would absolutely recommend and go back, the convenience factor and the fact they check IDs and take info from the girls is a huge plus. Many of things I read here are true. The regulars there are super awesome dudes, willing to share details and advice on everything, including which girls are good and which ones suck.

So I arrived on a Thursday and stayed until Sunday. It was a sprint, definitely not a marathon. Being in my late 40's my desire to go multiple times per day for multiple days is dwindling, so it actually got a little tough and I didn't do as good as I wanted to but part of that was my fault.

The first day I got to the Mansion around 3:30-4 and was hoping to walk in and bang something from by the pool but the selection was just ok to me. 5's and 6's at best and I hadn't gotten to know anyone yet. So I just grabbed a few beers and chatted with everyone which was fine, then walked down to exchange money in oveido and get some dinner. When I came back there were a few people trickling into the hotel bar and 2 dudes hanging out front of the Mansion. Part of staying at the Mansion for me was the hope of finding someone around my age and interest to go out hunting with, as I didn't really want to be on the streets alone at night. So as it turns out, I made 2 really good friends on top of enjoying the weekend. I digress those guys went to grab some food and we made plans to go out later. I went into the bar, chatting with one girl, semi-unfriendly so I let her move on, she quoted 300 k for everything covered. Another girl a decent curvy dyed blonde 6 who's name escapes me (which is crazy because I ended up with her ass 3 times, smh) came in and we hit it off right away. She quoted me 300 k, but I told her I was only willing to pay 250 and I wanted the head natural and off we went. We got all the way to the sex part and she told me she didn't have a condom. So noob advice, in Colombia you better have condoms on you. They don't have them. So needless to say I had to finish with the blow job. Not ideal. This was around 8 pm, so immediately I kicked her out of my room, freshened up and met my 2 friends for a trip to parque lleras. The streets down in that area were incredible talent wise, but for personal reason I did not want to go into the club Lleras Park and they did so I ubered back to the Mansion after 2 hours of walking around and like an idiot hooked up with the same chick but this time got condoms from the front desk, another 250 k. For the people looking for advice, you will not feel nervous or unsafe in this area, even if you are alone and / or drunk. I promise. There's tons of cops and tons of Americans. I smoked weed on the streets and was at minimum a little tipsy every night. I never pulled money out, didn't wear my watch but was never fearful of my phone being taken.

Ok onto Day 2, Friday, by 10:30 am I was ready to go. My first day I was with the same chick twice, so I was definitely ready to try a different experience. I got an uber up to New Life. For some reason uber took me like a block over, but after a few pictures and pulling it up on google the driver got me to the right place. I actually chatted with 2 dudes inside after my session for awhile, both great guys and willing to share some advice and experiences. Again all the American dudes down there were super friendly and helpful. So I picked a Vennie (didn't know when I initially did, but she told me that's where she was from). A nice light skinned thicker girl with an incredible ass and smile, her name was Koral, she was probably a 7 in my book. Her titties seemed bigger in her lingerie than they actually were but she was super friendly and did the head au natural for an extra 50 k. My total bill there was 116 k which included a beer. She rode me and then let me finish in doggy, afterwards gave me her number and I'm sure I could have banged her for 100 or less outside of New Life. I'd definitely recommend her.

Later that day I hooked up with my friends and we went to Luna Lunera around 3-4 pm. We were the only guys there and paid a small cover to get in. I think 20 k each. There were 8 girls there. 7 of them were 7's or better. Surprisingly I took probably the youngest most slender one (I generally like the thicker ones more), but this one, Valentina had a fat ass and beautiful face probably an 8 on my scale and also probably the hottest chick I fucked there. She danced around and seemed like she was having fun. I felt like we negotiated a price but in the end I don't think it matter, they charged whatever they wanted. So the bill was 330 k for the room and the girl and supposedly my drink and her drink. I tipped 50 k to get the head au natural. She was incredible, we started off showering together and she let me play with her pussy some. She was wet and when we dried off and got on the bed she went right to sucking, swung her leg over my face, her pussy tasted amazing. She rode me but was trying to go way too fast and control everything so I flipped her over and smashed her doggy until I finished. She was sweet and was definitely the best up to this point in my trip. I didn't ask for her number and she didn't offer but I was here for a sprint not a marathon.

We got back to the Mansion and I took a nap, got up at 8, went to dinner and got back to the Mansion at 10. Decided to just chill there for the night. Fucking so sadly, I ended up with the first chick a third time. I'm so fucking stupid for that. I should have just picked a new one but I felt I had some mileage built up with her, but it was a waste of 250 k more, actually she basically demanded 300 k, so I gave it to her just to get her out of there. So upset at myself for settling, it was my biggest regret of the trip.

Day 3 So I've nutted 5 times in a 36 hour period and I was damn sure not going back to the original chick any more times, I was determined to make my last full day and last night a good one. We planned on going to Loutron in the early afternoon then watching the KC-Jax game at a bar in Poblado. So we went to Loutron and it was AWFUL!! Like 6-7 girls about 25-30 dudes. Most of the chicks were like 7's but fake (fake no matter how hot is a no go for me. I hate fake tits, personal preference). I can see the potential of this place, but all things considered I would have rather gone to New Life. There's something about pristine and super hot that actually turns me off. Like this place was too upscale for me, back in the states I prefer hood, like super hood strip clubs, I hate the high end places. So anyway we go back to the Mansion, cost me 110 k at Loutron for 2 drinks and viewing the chicks. Bum deal, but I actually didn't regret the experience. My buddies went downtown but I didn't want to miss the game so I ubered to the Mansion and literally grabbed the first girl I see, for 250 k. She's an average paisa. Average face, nice tits, average ass and body. Nothing special, can't even give you her name. Her performance was decent, 5 on looks, 7 on performance. Watched the game, got dinner and then around 11 pm decided fuck it I was going to go in Park Lleras as I know that's where the finest ass is. Just my opinion but in my 2 trips, the hottest chicks are in there. Grabbed a drink and was talking to and flirting with super hot chicks. A nice chocalate honey about 7. 5 with a great body is really throwing herself at me and she's got some cute friends. I know it goes against some precautions but at this point I know the mansion is overall pretty safe, so she ask me if I'm interested in her best friend joining us, I'm all about it. We negotiate, 500 k I think, to be honest I was pretty gone, might have been 600. We went back to the mansion they checked their IDs etc etc, and we go upstairs. Holy shit, they sucked and fucked me sooo good, one of their names is Jennifer. OMG These chicks were 7. 5-8's and their performance was a fucking 10. Like highly recommend these 2 beautiful black Colombians. They sent me pictures and videos and sadly I left the next day, but I absolutely would have done another 3 some with them. By the time I was done with them at like 2 am, I slept like a baby until 11 am. Well actually that's a lie, I went to the bar and found some hippie chick that smoked me out the night before and I asked if she had weed which she did. So I smoked with her, she was a tiny cute little thing, not my type but while smoking she starts making out with me and grabbing my dick. Granted I just had a 3 some but I would have banged her. Then we got done smoking and the bar is closing so we walk outside and she starts chatting with some other dude, so I just went to sleep. Funny I think she was high so she maybe forgot that she was just making out with me. My plan was to get one last round before I left at 12:30-12:45 but I just didn't have time and I was decently hung over, so I said my goodbyes to everyone and left.

I never felt unsafe. I also never did anything stupid, like leave an open drink around any of these chicks. I never flaunted money and I didn't wear expensive jewelry. The mansion is super ideal because it's set up for this and if you are going for your first time this place is a no-brainer. There's zero chance you will regret staying here. I only had 1 regret the whole trip and that was banging the same semi-average chick 3 times. Out of the 7 times I had sex on the trip 3 of them were with her and she was just ok. Ok I also regret somewhat not going in Llleras Park nightclub my first night too.

My best advice is don't over think it. Be smart and be you. Some people may same I'm stupid for drinking and partying, but that's me. So I can still be aware and alert because I'm used to partying. But if you don't party much then yea you are probably a lot bigger target if you go down there and get hammered.

The end. I hope this helps some people.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2782558].....How many times? I've never seen it, but I'm sure it could happen. Seems unlikely if you keep your phone securely tucked away in your front pocket.......[/QUOTE]Yep, once I was walking through Centro with my phone in my hand and a guy tried to grab it from me, on a busy street. I held onto it, he was with another guy, no knives or gun were produced so I was able to keep my phone.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2782994]Yep, once I was walking through Centro with my phone in my hand and a guy tried to grab it from me, on a busy street. I held onto it, he was with another guy, no knives or gun were produced so I was able to keep my phone.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! If you're walking with phone in hand, there's a high risk someone will try to grab it and run away. If you're doing it on a deserted street, add the risk of someone pulling a knife or gun. If you're walking around and are distracted, 3 guys might move in, hold you and empty your pockets, like happened to Nounce and almost happened to me several years ago.

However, I have trouble believing that large groups of men attack and rob single individuals on crowded streets so often that anyone has seen such attacks "many times."

Every city is dangerous and Medellin is no exception. If you're walking around El Centro thinking it's just like Claxton, Georgia (population 2746, claims to be fruitcake capital of the world) you might discover it isn't. I don't know if they even have fruitcake in Medellin.

If you feel Medellin is too dangerous for you, don't go. You don't need to tell ISG that you're not going because it's too dangerous. There's a snowstorm coming and today the grocery stores will be packed with frantic people buying bread, milk and toilet paper. It's too crazy for me to go, but I'm not calling Kroger and making a store announcement.

If you would rather be engaging in international relations of the horizontal variety, than hide under your bed, then learn the risks. More importantly, learn how to manage the risks.

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I can not locate the other place?

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2782786]They have 2 locations La America and Barrio LOS Colores. [URL]www.ellaserotic.co[/URL].

1 hour $120,000.

1/2 hour $80,000.

Oral natural $40,000.

One of the nicer casa's around.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, sorry if this has been asked but I'm sure some of you have seen the YouTube videos about Scopolamine on the Obi Laand channel on YouTube. I was watching the one titled "Ice Cold Scopolamine Queen says she doesn't care about her victims" and at the 4:26 mark the girl says she puts the drug around her chest and ears and neck. Any thoughts on this or anyone know if this would be effective in any way in getting the victim drugged on it's own? I am strictly talking about if the person didn't have their drink spiked and this was the only way.

A while back someone posted a myth vs reality article on Scopolamine here and it referred to the fact that getting the drug blown in your face is most likely a myth and very unlikely to have any effect. Wondering how this could work however what the girl mentions.

YouTube link: [URL]https://youtu.be/o9xVhm8ltnM[/URL].

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2782892]My best advice is don't over think it. Be smart and be you. Some people may same I'm stupid for drinking and partying, but that's me. So I can still be aware and alert because I'm used to partying. But if you don't party much then yea you are probably a lot bigger target if you go down there and get hammered.

The end. I hope this helps some people.[/QUOTE]Great report, very informative. I have never been to the Mansion but it think it is the best way for first timers. The location is fine and not too far from bars and clubs. On the second trip, you might want to explore a bit more. I might finally visit that Mansion bar on my next trip just to check it out. The girls are screened so the chances of being drugged and robbed by one of the girls in the bar is very low and for newbies, that is a great thing.

[QUOTE=Ballin69;2782753]Another reports from a long time ago. At least 6+ months ago. I walked to Gusto's from my apartment, and immediately in the area surrounding Gusto's, there are lots of working women. A lot of them a pretty hot too. I paid the cover to get into Gusto's (maybe it was $20? Maybe a lot less than that? I don't really remember). When I got inside, it was CROWDED. Gusto's isn't really like a strip club the way La Isla is. It's more like a traditional night club, except all the women inside are hookers, and all the men are patrons. It was body to body. The girls in this club were more what you think of when you think Colombiana, for better or for worse. Big, curvy, plastic, done up with hot makeup etc. It wasn't my cup of tea. I thought the girls at La Isla were hotter, but that's kind of like comparing apples and oranges. Go to La Isla if you want a strip club experience. Gusto's if you want a night club experience. Gusto's was a little overwhelming for me. I didn't ask any prices from any girls. I wasn't in a girl friendly hotel anyway, so I didn't have a way to seal the deal with a girl from Gusto's had I wanted to.[/QUOTE]Gusto's is charging cover in USD now?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2783112]Gusto's is charging cover in USD now?[/QUOTE]No. It's been awhile. Last time I was there it was 20 k at the door. La Isla cover charge is 50 k now.

Is one of you flying one of my favs to Madrid, and then to Paris? Damn, talk about spoiling it. Her social media is lit with Mona Lisa and Eiffel Tower pics / videos. I can't hate, if I had the funds I'll do it too. She's a hottie and a sweetie. I have personally flown some of my favs to Cancun, Lima, and Rio. Those were great vacays. I even flew one to the Bay Area once because she had a US visa, but that was a stupid ass decision on my part after the fact (long story), never doing that again. We did have great sex, but the overall cost and suffering afterwards was not worth it at all. It was like 7 yrs ago and I was younger (34 at the time) and def dumber. Now I'm older and still dumber jajaja.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2783112]Gusto's is charging cover in USD now?[/QUOTE]It was 20 k COP in December when I went.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2783077]Hey guys, sorry if this has been asked but I'm sure some of you have seen the YouTube videos about Scopolamine on the Obi Laand channel on YouTube. I was watching the one titled "Ice Cold Scopolamine Queen says she doesn't care about her victims" and at the 4:26 mark the girl says she puts the drug around her chest and ears and neck. Any thoughts on this or anyone know if this would be effective in any way in getting the victim drugged on it's own? I am strictly talking about if the person didn't have their drink spiked and this was the only way.

A while back someone posted a myth vs reality article on Scopolamine here and it referred to the fact that getting the drug blown in your face is most likely a myth and very unlikely to have any effect. Wondering how this could work however what the girl mentions.

YouTube link: [URL]https://youtu.be/o9xVhm8ltnM[/URL].[/QUOTE]It's possible those things may have happened. But I'm guessing 99% of the time it's put in the victim's drink. It's just too easy and practical to do it that way. Obviously a girl that does this doesn’t care about the victim.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2783077]Hey guys, sorry if this has been asked but I'm sure some of you have seen the YouTube videos about Scopolamine on the Obi Laand channel on YouTube. I was watching the one titled "Ice Cold Scopolamine Queen says she doesn't care about her victims" and at the 4:26 mark the girl says she puts the drug around her chest and ears and neck. Any thoughts on this or anyone know if this would be effective in any way in getting the victim drugged on it's own? I am strictly talking about if the person didn't have their drink spiked and this was the only way.

A while back someone posted a myth vs reality article on Scopolamine here and it referred to the fact that getting the drug blown in your face is most likely a myth and very unlikely to have any effect. Wondering how this could work however what the girl mentions.

YouTube link: [URL]https://youtu.be/o9xVhm8ltnM[/URL].[/QUOTE]Perhaps a pharmacist could give you a better answer. Here's mine:

Scopolamine is often used in a transdermal patch to treat motion sickness. If you put on enough patches you could maybe knock yourself out. However, what's being used to drug and rob people is a tablet form, or powdered form, so it will dissolve in liquid. I highly doubt it would stick well to skin. You can test it out by grinding up a couple of ibuprofen the next time you have a headache. Just rub the powder on your arm, wait an hour, then lick your arm and see if your headache goes away.

Even if it sticks well to the skin, without being absorbed, without leaving a residue, it would require a much larger amount to be used and there's no guarantee the guy is going to decide to give the girl a whole body cat bath.

To be on the safe side, if a woman demands that you lick her entire body, make her shower first.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2783149]It was 20 k COP in December when I went.[/QUOTE]It's 20 mil cop. I was there on Saturday and Sunday. I think the other poster meant it was 20 as in 20 mil but using money sign kinda confusing.

Lleras Park Club charging 10 mil now, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't, fucking weird because we went in as a group for free and then 2 hours later we tried to go in and they tried to charge us 10 mil each. We saw some people go in for free. Also, we saw Tyreek Hill there on Sunday night.

Oh and there is a big bar in the corner close to Juan Valdez coffee. We went in and then we didn't order or buy anything, the security didn't let me leave, asking for a ticket so then I just snucked out saying I'm wait for my friend here "espero aqui" jaja, he even followed me and my friends to lleras park club and asked for ticket. Kinda aggressive. We just ignored him and talked to each other in English until he left jaja.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2783210]It's 20 mil cop. I was there on Saturday and Sunday. I think the other poster meant it was 20 as in 20 mil but using money sign kinda confusing.

Lleras Park Club charging 10 mil now, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't, fucking weird because we went in as a group for free and then 2 hours later we tried to go in and they tried to charge us 10 mil each. We saw some people go in for free. Also, we saw Tyreek Hill there on Sunday night.

Oh and there is a big bar in the corner close to Juan Valdez coffee. We went in and then we didn't order or buy anything, the security didn't let me leave, asking for a ticket so then I just snucked out saying I'm wait for my friend here "espero aqui" jaja, he even followed me and my friends to lleras park club and asked for ticket. Kinda aggressive. We just ignored him and talked to each other in English until he left jaja.[/QUOTE]Why blow a guy's spot up and posting online you saw him there? Really fucked up if true man. Hopefully forum moderator takes it out.

SIM cards:

You can buy your SIM card at the airport. Go to Departures (upper floor). Go to the gift shop that has Claro / Tigo signs. I think I paid around 10,000 COP for a Claro SIM card. You can put money towards MBs or buy a package. 7,500 COP will get you 2 GB for 7 days. If your Colombian sim card has credit you can dial *611# to buy packages.

El centro:

If you have time you should definitely visit El Centro. I was there 2 days ago. 10-11 am. All girls were way below average. I stopped by at 11:30 am to noon. I saw some good looking ones. I saw 2 girls who were definitely above average. For the price of a Big Mac it was an absolutely deal! Unfortunately for me, I had one of my regulars coming to my Airbnb so I only went there to look. I didn't see any gringos. I only saw locals so it you go make sure not to wear anything flashy and only take a few pesos w you. I saw a few cops asking locals for their IDs so make sure to take an ID. A driver's licence or even a health card should work.

Viagra / Sildenafil:

After my 4th shot of the day I decided to buy Sildenafil. I went to the same drugstore I got it last time. I was told there is a new law that requires customers to show a prescription!! I thought this is Colombia so there must a store willing to sell me one without prescription so I went to another drugstore and bingo! I am sure that bastard overcharged me. I don't remember paying 30,000 COP last time.

Pusssy Drain:

I heard about Brain drain but never about pussy drain. It is real. So 60% of my non pro friends are going to Mexico, Spain and France to turn pros. There is some type of mafia recruiting girls in Medellin like there is no tomorrow. Two of my friends and her friends went to Mexico. One them went from a very shy 18 year old to a heartless pro who only cares about money. One of my favorite girls is going to Mexico to become a pro next week. She has an absolute perfect body. As I was ready to take my cab to the airport she said it was my fault she was leaving to Mexico because I never introduced her to my gringo friends. If anybody is in Medellin right now I am happy to share the contact info of my friends. I rather share them than see them go. I never take naked pictures but here a picture she sent me new year's eve.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2783246]SIM cards:

You can buy your SIM card at the airport. Go to Departures (upper floor). Go to the gift shop that has Claro / Tigo signs. I think I paid around 10,000 COP for a Claro SIM card. You can put money towards MBs or buy a package. 7,500 COP will get you 2 GB for 7 days. If your Colombian sim card has credit you can dial *611# to buy packages.

El centro:

If you have time you should definitely visit El Centro. I was there 2 days ago. 10-11 am. All girls were way below average. I stopped by at 11:30 am to noon. I saw some good looking ones. I saw 2 girls who were definitely above average. For the price of a Big Mac it was an absolutely deal! Unfortunately for me, I had one of my regulars coming to my Airbnb so I only went there to look. I didn't see any gringos. I only saw locals so it you go make sure not to wear anything flashy and only take a few pesos w you. I saw a few cops asking locals for their IDs so make sure to take an ID. A driver's licence or even a health card should work.

Viagra / Sildenafil:

After my 4th shot of the day I decided to buy Sildenafil. I went to the same drugstore I got it last time. I was told there is a new law that requires customers to show a prescription!! I thought this is Colombia so there must a store willing to sell me one without prescription so I went to another drugstore and bingo! I am sure that bastard overcharged me. I don't remember paying 30,000 COP last time.

Pusssy Drain:

I heard about Brain drain but never about pussy drain. It is real. So 60% of my non pro friends are going to Mexico, Spain and France to turn pros. There is some type of mafia recruiting girls in Medelland like there is no tomorrow. Two of my friends and her friends went to Mexico. One them went from a very shy 18 year old to a heartless pro who only cares about money. One of my favorite girls is going to Mexico to become a pro next week. She has an absolute perfect body. As I was ready to take my cab to the airport she said it was my fault she was leaving to Mexico because I never introduced her to my gringo friends. If anybody is in Medellin right now I am happy to share the contact info of my friends. I rather share them than see them go. I never take naked pictures but here a picture she sent me new year's eve.[/QUOTE]Do you know where in Mexico they are going? She looks hot, I'll be there in 4 weeks, if she will still be around PM me.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2783246]SIM cards:

You can buy your SIM card at the airport. Go to Departures (upper floor). Go to the gift shop that has Claro / Tigo signs. I think I paid around 10,000 COP for a Claro SIM card. You can put money towards MBs or buy a package. 7,500 COP will get you 2 GB for 7 days. If your Colombian sim card has credit you can dial *611# to buy packages.

El centro:

If you have time you should definitely visit El Centro. I was there 2 days ago. 10-11 am. All girls were way below average. I stopped by at 11:30 am to noon. I saw some good looking ones. I saw 2 girls who were definitely above average. For the price of a Big Mac it was an absolutely deal! Unfortunately for me, I had one of my regulars coming to my Airbnb so I only went there to look. I didn't see any gringos. I only saw locals so it you go make sure not to wear anything flashy and only take a few pesos w you. I saw a few cops asking locals for their IDs so make sure to take an ID. A driver's licence or even a health card should work.

Viagra / Sildenafil:

After my 4th shot of the day I decided to buy Sildenafil. I went to the same drugstore I got it last time. I was told there is a new law that requires customers to show a prescription!! I thought this is Colombia so there must a store willing to sell me one without prescription so I went to another drugstore and bingo! I am sure that bastard overcharged me. I don't remember paying 30,000 COP last time.

Pusssy Drain:

I heard about Brain drain but never about pussy drain. It is real. So 60% of my non pro friends are going to Mexico, Spain and France to turn pros. There is some type of mafia recruiting girls in Medelland like there is no tomorrow. Two of my friends and her friends went to Mexico. One them went from a very shy 18 year old to a heartless pro who only cares about money. One of my favorite girls is going to Mexico to become a pro next week. She has an absolute perfect body. As I was ready to take my cab to the airport she said it was my fault she was leaving to Mexico because I never introduced her to my gringo friends. If anybody is in Medellin right now I am happy to share the contact info of my friends. I rather share them than see them go. I never take naked pictures but here a picture she sent me new year's eve.[/QUOTE]I will be down there tomorrow. If you want to share aime of your friends. Time for me to meet new people.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783032]....If you feel Medellin is too dangerous for you, don't go.....[/QUOTE]I like pussy too much to not go.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2783246]
Pusssy Drain:
I heard about Brain drain but never about pussy drain. It is real. So 60% of my non pro friends are going to Mexico, Spain and France to turn pros. .[/QUOTE]Where do they all go in Mexico? I didn't find it easy in Mexico City when I was there couple of weeks ago.

Medellin certainly changed, full of groups of dudes.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2783233]Why blow a guy's spot up and posting online you saw him there? Really fucked up if true man. Hopefully forum moderator takes it out.[/QUOTE]Blow up a guy's spot? You must be living under a rock. It is all over Facebook expats and facebook insider group. If you were in one, you would've known by now.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2783246]SIM cards:

You can buy your SIM card at the airport. Go to Departures (upper floor). Go to the gift shop that has Claro / Tigo signs. I think I paid around 10,000 COP for a Claro SIM card. You can put money towards MBs or buy a package. 7,500 COP will get you 2 GB for 7 days. If your Colombian sim card has credit you can dial *611# to buy packages.

El centro:

If you have time you should definitely visit El Centro. I was there 2 days ago. 10-11 am. All girls were way below average. I stopped by at 11:30 am to noon. I saw some good looking ones. I saw 2 girls who were definitely above average. For the price of a Big Mac it was an absolutely deal! Unfortunately for me, I had one of my regulars coming to my Airbnb so I only went there to look. I didn't see any gringos. I only saw locals so it you go make sure not to wear anything flashy and only take a few pesos w you. I saw a few cops asking locals for their IDs so make sure to take an ID. A driver's licence or even a health card should work.
[/QUOTE]This sim card option might be a bit easier for newcomer. 10 mil at airport vs 5 mil at a store in the city is not that much different considering for convenient to get up and running.

As far as El centro, BarrioSpinner and I have been hitting it up everyday from around 12-6. We basically meet up and hit up the casas, Zandaly got some nice line up, probably best out of 3 (New Life, and Sexy Amigas). After a sess, we walk towards Botero and grab lunch or chill at coffee shop next to the Museo and then walk around, hit up the grills around 4-5 pm is where most of the girls coming in, got them fresh and hot. Nueva Grill Avienda got a few good looking spinner than Conejita, we both sessioned there a few times, price is 70-80 mil for half, beer is 8 mil. We leave the area by metro back to Laureles around 7.

[QUOTE=MilkDog08;2783254]I will be down there tomorrow. If you want to share aime of your friends. Time for me to meet new people.[/QUOTE]I'll DM you now, I also messaged 33 FlowState985. Let's go as a group, more fun and safer that way.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2783112]Gusto's is charging cover in USD now?[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't remember exactly what the cover was in Colombian currency or USD, so I was just guessing about what I thought it was. If other posters are saying it's 20 k cop, that's probably right. So only $5. I was way off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2783336]I like pussy too much to not go.[/QUOTE]I mostly go for the arepas.

Yes. I never had a problem meeting with a prepago in their apartments. I recommend to get the exact address of where she is and for her to give you a picture of the outside of her apartment, especially at night because they can be hard to find once you arrive.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2782497]Thanks for a wonderful report. Haven't seen one like this for a long time.

Is it generally safe to visit the prepagos in their apartments?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2783141]Is one of you flying one of my favs to Madrid, and then to Paris? Damn, talk about spoiling it. Her social media is lit with Mona Lisa and Eiffel Tower pics / videos. I can't hate, if I had the funds I'll do it too. She's a hottie and a sweetie. I have personally flown some of my favs to Cancun, Lima, and Rio. Those were great vacays. I even flew one to the Bay Area once because she had a US visa, but that was a stupid ass decision on my part after the fact (long story), never doing that again. We did have great sex, but the overall cost and suffering afterwards was not worth it at all. It was like 7 yrs ago and I was younger (34 at the time) and def dumber. Now I'm older and still dumber jajaja.[/QUOTE]Yes, I flew with one in Madrid and Paris, I don't know if it's one of your favs, how old is your fav?

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2782892]g over, so I said my goodbyes to everyone and left.

I never felt unsafe. I also never did anything stupid, like leave an open drink around any of these chicks. I never flaunted money and I didn't wear expensive jewelry. The mansion is super ideal because it's set up for this and if you are going for your first time this place is a no-brainer. There's zero chance you will regret staying here. I only had 1 regret the whole trip and that was banging the same semi-average chick 3 times. Out of the 7 times I had sex on the trip 3 of them were with her and she was just ok. Ok I also regret somewhat not going in Llleras Park nightclub my first night too.

[/QUOTE]Did it cost you to bring girls back to your room like a guest charge or same of it was one of the girls from the bar.

Was the hippy chick from the Mansion bar? She sounds like my cup of tea.

Also thanks for the report, I was a bit weary of I made the right choice booking there but your post eases my concerns.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2783473]Did it cost you to bring girls back to your room like a guest charge or same of it was one of the girls from the bar.

Was the hippy chick from the Mansion bar? She sounds like my cup of tea.

Also thanks for the report, I was a bit weary of I made the right choice booking there but your post eases my concerns.[/QUOTE]No charge to bring any guest to your room, whether you picked them up there or elsewhere.

Hippy chick was there at least last Friday and Saturday night. Friday she was with 2 friends and they were chilling in a corner, they looked like stoners LOL. Saturday I was too fucked up to remember if she was alone. We smoked alone so maybe.

Definitely no regrets about staying there. I'd go back for sure. If I went with a group of guys I'd consider staying elsewhere, but it's so convenient.

If you are staying at the mansion there is no charge to take a girl to your room, I know a few Hippy type chicas if anyone needs a number.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2783473]Did it cost you to bring girls back to your room like a guest charge or same of it was one of the girls from the bar.

Was the hippy chick from the Mansion bar? She sounds like my cup of tea.

Also thanks for the report, I was a bit weary of I made the right choice booking there but your post eases my concerns.[/QUOTE]

I believe you can mitigate the risk of getting drugged off their skin by requesting a joint shower immediately they show up. They are there to make money and will more than likely to comply if you are firm, and they understand they have to turn around and go home empty handed.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2783077]"Ice Cold Scopolamine Queen says she doesn't care about her victims" and at the 4:26 mark the girl says she puts the drug around her chest and ears and neck. Any thoughts on this or anyone know if this would be effective in any way in getting the victim drugged on it's own? [/QUOTE]

Perhaps to rule out the possibility or mitigate the risk, you could require a joint shower immediately after a chica shows up. She's there to make money and will more than likely comply if you're firm and if she understands she has to turn around and go home empty handed without hitting the shower first.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2783077]"Ice Cold Scopolamine Queen says she doesn't care about her victims" and at the 4:26 mark the girl says she puts the drug around her chest and ears and neck. Any thoughts on this or anyone know if this would be effective in any way in getting the victim drugged on it's own? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2783377]Blow up a guy's spot? You must be living under a rock. It is all over Facebook expats and facebook insider group. If you were in one, you would've known by now.[/QUOTE]Two wrongs don't make a right. Follow the code. What happens in a strip club / brothel / casa / etc-stays in a strip club. If you have to share info, just state, "I saw a famous NFL football player there as well".

Damn, I was kinda half ass kidding about it jajaja. Didn't expect a response, it may be the same girl, may be a different one. All good, no need to put her on blast on this board.

She's more of a friend than a fav now since we've known each other for years.

[QUOTE=Torett0;2783470]Yes, I flew with one in Madrid and Paris, I don't know if it's one of your favs, how old is your fav?[/QUOTE]

Hi All!

I will be in Medellin in early March and it will be the very first time for me. In terms of safety, if I visit the El Centro area during daytime and decide to pay a visit to one of the street SP (say Raudal area in El Centro), is there any actual risk of being drugged / robbed once inside the building?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Elispio;2783515]Perhaps to rule out the possibility or mitigate the risk, you could require a joint shower immediately after a chica shows up. She's there to make money and will more than likely comply if you're firm and if she understands she has to turn around and go home empty handed without hitting the shower first.[/QUOTE]If I pay a visit to the street chicas in El Centro during the day, is there any actual risk of being drugged / mugged once inside the buildings they work out of? Thanks!

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2783552]Hi All!

I will be in Medellin in early March and it will be the very first time for me. In terms of safety, if I visit the El Centro area during daytime and decide to pay a visit to one of the street SP (say Raudal area in El Centro), is there any actual risk of being drugged / robbed once inside the building?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2783557]If I pay a visit to the street chicas in El Centro during the day, is there any actual risk of being drugged / mugged once inside the buildings they work out of? Thanks![/QUOTE]You be fine walking in centro during the day. Key thing in any foreign country you go, do flash your wealth. Leave the fancy shit at home. And the girls work out of love hotels. They are safe once inside.

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2783552]Hi All!

I will be in Medellin in early March and it will be the very first time for me. In terms of safety, if I visit the El Centro area during daytime and decide to pay a visit to one of the street SP (say Raudal area in El Centro), is there any actual risk of being drugged / robbed once inside the building?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I would say 100% you're safe, in that situation, from being drugged and robbed. However, if you go up to a tiny room and there are 5 or 6 unconscious men piled everywhere, you probably should run away.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2765044]I am currently in Medelland. The arrival was a bit shitty because Medellin's airport is currently performing maintenance at night (around 1 am). My initial flight was a bit late so it got cancelled because Medellin's airport shut down at 1 am. I don't know if they are done w the maintenance but if you flight is late you might end up w a cancelled flight.

A few of my friends went semi pros. They told me there is a bunch of mexican guys recruiting Medelland girls. Kicker is that these mexican guys only want them for more than 2 months and after that they get new girls. They can come back after 2 months.

I am always happy to see my friends and I like to think they are happy to see me too. Happy to share their contact info. I feel terrible that I can only see them once or twice because of work.[/QUOTE]Please see DM.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783736]I would say 100% you're safe, in that situation, from being drugged and robbed. However, if you go up to a tiny room and there are 5 or 6 unconscious men piled everywhere, you probably should run away.[/QUOTE]You can be robbed indirectly. Robbed of services. Girl took me to her ST hotel where she knew everyone and nobody knew me. Got to the room and she would not take off her shirt. That was extra. As I tried to leave she yelled out the hotel room into the lobby and they tried to shut the metal gate at the entrance. I slipped out barely. If I had not made it out they would have called guys from down the stairs on the street. Best to get whatever service you can from her or pay her and leave. If guys get called up they will surely take more than what is owed to the girl. Basically get their share. If she will only go to "her" hotel she mostly likely will give bad service.

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2783691]You be fine walking in centro during the day. Key thing in any foreign country you go, do flash your wealth. Leave the fancy shit at home. And the girls work out of love hotels. They are safe once inside.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783736]I would say 100% you're safe, in that situation, from being drugged and robbed. However, if you go up to a tiny room and there are 5 or 6 unconscious men piled everywhere, you probably should run away.[/QUOTE]Great! Thanks 🙏.

I assume that being with the working girls (of legal age obviously) is legal as long as you are in the tolerance zone?

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2783787]Great! Thanks 🙏.

I assume that being with the working girls (of legal age obviously) is legal as long as you are in the tolerance zone?[/QUOTE]Yes, you won't have any issues with police.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2783785]You can be robbed indirectly. Robbed of services. Girl took me to her ST hotel where she knew everyone and nobody knew me. Got to the room and she would not take off her shirt. That was extra. As I tried to leave she yelled out the hotel room into the lobby and they tried to shut the metal gate at the entrance. I slipped out barely. If I had not made it out they would have called guys from down the stairs on the street. Best to get whatever service you can from her or pay her and leave. If guys get called up they will surely take more than what is owed to the girl. Basically get their share. If she will only go to "her" hotel she mostly likely will give bad service.[/QUOTE]"Drugged and robbed." That's very specific. It means that picking a girl off the street in El Centro and going to a short time room with her carries no risk of being drugged and robbed.

However, she might have a stinky pussy. She might give a lousy blowjob. She might give lousy service. She might even have a penis. There are many ways that any encounter might not live up to your expectations.

In your situation, you were wrong. You failed to negotiate for everything you wanted before getting to the room. If you didn't want to pay for the extras you should have taken what was included, paid the fee and walked away, or paid, said no thanks and walked away. Once you've entered the room payment is expected. Otherwise you're risking much more money and potentially getting your ass kicked, over 30 k.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it works.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783736]I would say 100% you're safe, in that situation, from being drugged and robbed. However, if you go up to a tiny room and there are 5 or 6 unconscious men piled everywhere, you probably should run away.[/QUOTE]I would agree that you are safe when visiting casas but El Centro is not a safe neighborhood generally. There are low lifes hanging out in El Centro and robbing gringos is a good way to make money for those who do not have money. Compared to Poblado or Laurelles, it is not as safe. You would need to watch out for pickpockets, hit and run robberies, and walking around in more isolated streets, just like any other sketchy neighborhood in any country.

I have visited El Centro and I was fine but I walk around with a high level of awareness of my surroundings in El Centro.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2783981]I would agree that you are safe when visiting casas but El Centro is not a safe neighborhood generally. There are low lifes hanging out in El Centro and robbing gringos is a good way to make money for those who do not have money. Compared to Poblado or Laurelles, it is not as safe. You would need to watch out for pickpockets, hit and run robberies, and walking around in more isolated streets, just like any other sketchy neighborhood in any country.

I have visited El Centro and I was fine but I walk around with a high level of awareness of my surroundings in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Nobody said anything about casas. The guy asked about his risk of being drugged and robbed when going to a ST room with a street girl.

As for the casas, 5 years ago there were some guys hanging out near the casas stopping and robbing gringos as they left the casa. At least one of them would claim to be with the police. Several ISG members had encounters with the guy. New Life and some other casas posted pictures and warnings about the risk.

There are many risks, including in Laureles and Poblado.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2783785] If she will only go to "her" hotel she mostly likely will give bad service.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if it's "most likely" that she'll give you bad service, however, I agree that if they insist on their motel, especially if it's off the beaten path, chances are much higher of it.

I always refuse those that insist on their place.

Gets me thinking, hmmm why?

I am getting ready for the upcoming trip to Medellin and I'm excited about it. This is my third trip to Medellin and I have learned a lot during my first two trips. On my first trip, I made a few mistakes and was unfamiliar with the layout of the city. Most newbies will make mistakes. I wouldn't worry about it except the drugging and robbery thing. Be careful about that. Ha ha ha,.

There are many ways to approach Medellin. Some like El Centro and the streetwalkers and casas. Some like Tinder or Seeking. I decided to focus on Facebook on my first trip and I have continued using it to find and meet girls on my second trip and now my third trip. I never used FB much prior to going to Medellin so there was a bit of a learning curve but I put in the time and have been learning a lot about meeting girls on FB. It has been very success for me and unlike Seeking, it is free.

Some say not to chat or negotiate with the girls until a week to go. I chat and come to an agreement with girls way before that, but that's just me. I don't schedule them until I am there except for the girl on the first day. The girls usually don't mention money and I don't know when they would bring it up so I bring it up myself and no one is offended. They would say that they want to meet me and I say it is possible, it depends on how much you are expecting. Then most say what will you give, and no one ever says I am not an escort or acts offended. Then I give an offer with the price and what I expect, and the girl says yes or no. If no, there is usually an counteroffer and then perhaps some back and forth. But some laugh at my offer and say no thanks and we both move on.

I prefer the semi-pros and if a girl looks too hardcore, I pass. I also pass on girls with too many friends and girls with almost nothing on their FB profile. 18-24 age range, slim and attractive is what I prefer but a few curvy girls here and there is also nice.

I am no expect on Medellin and continue to learn about the city and the girls on each trip. There is still a lot to learn but the lessons are a lot of fun.

Medellin can be great and it offers a lot to mongers but you have to be more aware of your safety in Medellin, more so than in other mongering cities.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783977] In your situation, you were wrong. You failed to negotiate for everything you wanted before getting to the room. If you didn't want to pay for the extras you should have taken what was included, paid the fee and walked away, or paid, said no thanks and walked away. Once you've entered the room payment is expected. Otherwise you're risking much more money and potentially getting your ass kicked, over 30 k.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it works.[/QUOTE]To me mistake #1 is dealing with Centro street girls as many are working illegally and with fake documents if they have any at all. Plus the areas around Botero Plaza are plenty dangerous, even in the day. I've never gotten services that way, nor will I as so much could go wrong. But, seeing that you known about the game there, and purport to know the rules, is advance payment the norm upon entering the room? Can someone else chime in?

Also, in virtually any venue it's acceptable to cancel an appointment if the fun hasn't started yet. The girl may ask for some money for her "time" but would typically expect far less than the full fee. But if she wants to make a scene, and it's only 30 mil, would be better to pay her off. Though I'd never have been there to start with. The casas all give a full refund if you call off the deal before the fun starts, you definitely aren't going to get your ass kicked, plus the girls have been vetted. So why not spend close to the same money and go there?

And regarding the context of your reply, is getting topless a common "extra" there? LOL I speak of the Centro street girls. If not then what else would you need to get straight before heading to the dive hotel? It could turn into a very long negotiation. LOL.

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2783787]...

I assume that being with the working girls (of legal age obviously) is legal as long as you are in the tolerance zone?[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with what zone it is. Not all of them are old enough so you will need to check if you are not sure.

For safety, look for this sign, and only go to the short time hotel where you can see this sign from the entrance. There are 4. Same for picking up SG, don't go too far away that you can's see this sign. This is only if you don't know what you are doing or where you should go and worry about safety.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2783981]There are low lifes hanging out in El Centro and robbing gringos is a good way to make money for those who do not have money.[/QUOTE]They would starve if they were waiting for foreigners to rob. Those only come by every blue moon. The money is in robbing Colombians.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783977]"Drugged and robbed." That's very specific. It means that picking a girl off the street in El Centro and going to a short time room with her carries no risk of being drugged and robbed.

However, she might have a stinky pussy. She might give a lousy blowjob. She might give lousy service. She might even have a penis. There are many ways that any encounter might not live up to your expectations.

In your situation, you were wrong. You failed to negotiate for everything you wanted before getting to the room. If you didn't want to pay for the extras you should have taken what was included, paid the fee and walked away, or paid, said no thanks and walked away. Once you've entered the room payment is expected. Otherwise you're risking much more money and potentially getting your ass kicked, over 30 k.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it works.[/QUOTE]I call BS Jjbee. There have been severally occasions where a Chica tried to change up the service as to what would be provided after in the room and I've gotten mad and left without paying the chica. It's happened atleast twice at Botero Real that I can remember and at that 3 hour hotel over by the subway on the other side of Berrio I took Ashly from the metro stairs there recently and she was saying she was going to give me BBFS then when we got to the room she started asking for a preservativo so I left and not only did I not pay her but I also went to the reception lady and raised hell until she gave me back my 22 k I had paid for the room.

And for the record I have never had my ass kicked after any 3 of those situations. Granted I try to avoid these types of situations as it just makes for a headache but sometimes the Chica lies outside and then tries to change shit up inside and that's where I put my foot down.

On one of the occasions in particular last October I left botero real after a ***** had lied to me about services she would provide (I was out my 8 k but that's all) and I went and found another chica at hotel cascada that gave me an excellent session and did everything I was looking for.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784060]It has nothing to do with what zone it is. Not all of them are old enough so you will need to check if you are not sure.

For safety, look for this sign, and only go to the short time hotel where you can see this sign from the entrance. There are 4. Same for picking up SG, don't go too far away that you can's see this sign. This is only if you don't know what you are doing or where you should go and worry about safety.[/QUOTE]Thanks! But I am kind of confused.

Isn't prostitution legal throughout the Tolerance zones?

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2784074]Thanks! But I am kind of confused.

Isn't prostitution legal throughout the Tolerance zones?[/QUOTE]There is no tolerance zone in mde, only in Bog and that's Santa Fe, but more experience member can chime in.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2784097]There is no tolerance zone in mde, only in Bog and that's Santa Fe, but more experience member can chime in.[/QUOTE]I'm Colombia prostitution is legal anywhere you go. There are no designated zones where it is legal on one street and illegal on another. There are however areas set up with short time hoteles and certain parks and plazas where chicas tend to congregate, such as santa fe in bogotá and botero plaza in medellin but there is not law designating them to those particular places. You will find that you can find swers in many places.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2783977]"Drugged and robbed." That's very specific. It means that picking a girl off the street in El Centro and going to a short time room with her carries no risk of being drugged and robbed.

In your situation, you were wrong. You failed to negotiate for everything you wanted before getting to the room.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it works.[/QUOTE]I specified not a normal robbery as a joke but it is real and planned out by several girls.

Being naked for sex is expected. Only a hand full of troubling women have done this BS trick. I had several not want to take their shoes off. So I have to negotiate that too? Negotiates would take hours to cover everything. 5 fast pumps or 5 slow pumps? Shallow, deep, or somewhere in the middle penetration? Kiss your neck, cheek, lips? How many kisses?

I took a girl and had her one or two times. But the next time she tried that same shirt off extra BS. I got out quickly. Luckily the help there did not try to stop me.

Had another girl with big boobs and I specifically mentioned I wanted to suck on them. She said ok. We took a shower she got out first. 3 minutes later when I entered the bedroom she was rubbing baby oil on her boobs so I could not suck on her boobs. Well planned out.

I know the way things work in Centro better than you.

Are you transitioning to be a woman? You are always nagging on everyone's posts like you have nothing better to do. Oh, that's right you don't.

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2784074]Thanks! But I am kind of confused.

Isn't prostitution legal throughout the Tolerance zones?[/QUOTE]Prostitution is not illegal in the country. The zonas de tolerencia allow for businesses such as the clubs to operate as legal businesses. And to allow street walkers, etc. More like a zoning designation.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2784097]There is no tolerance zone in mde, only in Bog and that's Santa Fe, but more experience member can chime in.[/QUOTE]I was told that the area behind the Botero museum and the Raudel area are part of a designated zona de tolerencia. It is a zoning designation, not sure if there are any others in Medellin, but I expect there may be.

I was just reading an article about Cuba Dave and his trial in Costa Rica for promoting prostitution. It was an older article and I don't know if you guys know about him but the article said he was freed on appeal and he left the country. It says that he has now moved to Colombia. When I was in Costa Rica, I hear so many stories about guys moving on from Costa Rica to Colombia. I am also hearing that more guys who have been going to Mexico are now visiting Colombia so Colombia is definitely is attracting a lot of attention. It is what it is. I know there are guys trying to hold the line on the so called going rate but when you have more and more guys coming to Colombia and the same amount of girls, supply and demand takes over, and the price goes up.

Anyway, there are some comments from Cuba Dave in that article that are very appropriate here and should be listened to by older mongers:

"A 60 year old man sleeping with 20 year old women and believing that they really like them is crazy. This is fantasy. This is entertainment. ".

Words of wisdom spoken by an experienced monger.

[QUOTE=JuanDeFuca7777;2784074]Thanks! But I am kind of confused.

Isn't prostitution legal throughout the Tolerance zones?[/QUOTE]My suggestion is based on reality. The sex workers in Medellin are not limited to any zone that I know of. Is Park Lleras a Tolerance Zone? I don't think so. You will need to explain what do you think the law does and how is it being enforced in reality or someone knows the law can chime in?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2784052]...s advance payment the norm upon entering the room? Can someone else chime in?... LOL.[/QUOTE]My experience is that it is not the norm but it has happened more often than FB girls, relatively speaking. Changing deal is not uncommon. It has happened with FB girls too, just less often. I have not met one that didn't get naked in the room yet.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2784067]I call BS Jjbee. There have been severally occasions where a Chica tried to change up the service as to what would be provided after in the room and I've gotten mad and left without paying the chica. It's happened atleast twice at Botero Real that I can remember and at that 3 hour hotel over by the subway on the other side of Berrio I took Ashly from the metro stairs there recently and she was saying she was going to give me BBFS then when we got to the room she started asking for a preservativo so I left and not only did I not pay her but I also went to the reception lady and raised hell until she gave me back my 22 k I had paid for the room.

And for the record I have never had my ass kicked after any 3 of those situations. Granted I try to avoid these types of situations as it just makes for a headache but sometimes the Chica lies outside and then tries to change shit up inside and that's where I put my foot down.

On one of the occasions in particular last October I left botero real after a ***** had lied to me about services she would provide (I was out my 8 k but that's all) and I went and found another chica at hotel cascada that gave me an excellent session and did everything I was looking for.[/QUOTE]What are you calling BS on? He suggested, when he left the ST place, guys might detain him and take his money. If you find yourself in a situation where you might have whatever you have on you taken, or be subject to violence, if you don't pay 30 k, paying 30 k is the obvious choice. I respond to what is written, not what has happened to others (unless they've written about it and it's related).

Furthermore (and I don't know why nobody seems to grasp something so simple) the original question was:

Are you at risk of being drugged and robbed if you take a girl from the street in El Centro to a ST room?

My answer was "No. " Whether or not the girl will try to change the deal once you're in the room is unrelated to the original question and my response. Whether casas are safe, or a better option, also completely unrelated.

If you want to discuss how to deal with bad service, or girls not sticking to the deal, by all means, post about it.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2784118]I specified not a normal robbery as a joke but it is real and planned out by several girls.

Being naked for sex is expected. Only a hand full of troubling women have done this BS trick. I had several not want to take their shoes off. So I have to negotiate that too? Negotiates would take hours to cover everything. 5 fast pumps or 5 slow pumps? Shallow, deep, or somewhere in the middle penetration? Kiss your neck, cheek, lips? How many kisses?

I took a girl and had her one or two times. But the next time she tried that same shirt off extra BS. I got out quickly. Luckily the help there did not try to stop me.

Had another girl with big boobs and I specifically mentioned I wanted to suck on them. She said ok. We took a shower she got out first. 3 minutes later when I entered the bedroom she was rubbing baby oil on her boobs so I could not suck on her boobs. Well planned out.

I know the way things work in Centro better than you.

Are you transitioning to be a woman? You are always nagging on everyone's posts like you have nothing better to do. Oh, that's right you don't.[/QUOTE]I'll ask again, because apparently this is incredibly difficult for you.

What does any of that have to do with getting drugged and robbed in a ST room by an El Centro street girl? Did the girl who wouldn't take her shirt off try to drug you first? Did you suspect the baby oil might contain some type of drug? Was there a possibility the girl had a James Bond pair of shoes loaded with knockout gas? Is there any way you can connect any of your examples with being drugged and robbed?

Or were you just nagging on my original response because you have nothing better to do?

Here's an idea. If you want to post about all of the potential issues which might arise when dealing with street girls, post about all the potential issues and your strategies for avoiding or countering those issues. If someone wants to post about why they prefer casas over street girls, they should also post about their preferences. You don't need my permission. You don't need to wait until I answer a question, which is completely unrelated, to try and score points against me. Just write the post, provide the information, help others with your knowledge. After all, you almost certainly have more experience with El Centro street girls. Share your knowledge and help others have better outcomes.

That way, there's no reason for me to nag on your posts.

With the recent murder accusation of a gringo stuffing a Colombian DJ into a suitcase, I've noticed a lot of girls posting warnings and other shit on their social media. I think now is a good time to be extra diligent about our safety in Medellin / Colombia. They don't seem to be as angry when gringos get found dead in their apartments, but it is what it is. I would guess chicks in need of money might be a little more willing to scope a gringo right now than a week ago. Just do your best to be cautious.

If you think the Paisa prepagos are thieves and provide poor service, try furnishing an apartment. Holy shit it's mind-boggling, some of the stuff that has gone on.

I finally bought a place, and will be getting a jacuzzi at some point. All is good, still having fun and reaping the rewards of living in Paisaland.

Hope all is well. Shoutout to all the Medellin pandemic bros. Those were good times. ISG provided a great outlet for the monotony, boredom, and loneliness.

Slapshot lives.

Cheers.

There are probably more robbers in Parque Lleras than anywhere else. I think all the Gringos attract them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2784061]They would starve if they were waiting for foreigners to rob. Those only come by every blue moon. The money is in robbing Colombians.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2784327]There are probably more robbers in Parque Lleras than anywhere else. I think all the Gringos attract them.[/QUOTE]One issue with such a statement is what is the basis of this statement? What research have you conducted? What are the police statistics?

There are a lot of broad statements on this thread and most are not fact based. I don't have a clue about robberies in Parque Lleras versus other neighborhoods.

Another guy stated that FB girls usually do 3-4 gringos a week. Now, what is the basis of that statement? How do you know this? There are thousands of FB girls who engage with gringos. I doubt that there has been a scientific survey of a random sample of FB girls to assess their work schedule. Guys often say such things based on what one or two girls tell me but that is not enough to conclude what the average FB girl does.

I think the answer is we don't know and the FB girls are too varied to simply state a single conclusion.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784233]I know there are guys trying to hold the line on the so called going rate but when you have more and more guys coming to Colombia and the same amount of girls, supply and demand takes over, and the price goes up.[/QUOTE]Fortunately or unfortunately, fucking in Colombia has nothing to do with your first world economics lesson. During Covid there were thousands of chicks and 3 foreign mongers and prices went up. In a glut as such, pussy should have almost been free according to your model.

The only going rate is in a place that you walk in such as New Life and there is a price list on the wall. But if we get on facebook or tinder or sa, then I could be paying 100,000 and you could be paying 500,000.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784291] You don't need my permission. You don't need to wait until I answer a question, which is completely unrelated, to try and score points against me.[/QUOTE]No one is plotting "against" you, or looking to "score points" against you, as your importance falls way short of such endeavors. You are a guy who was swindled in Medellin for a year back in 2017 by a webcam girl and have spent very little time in the city since. We questioned your assertion that street girls all expect to be paid in advance of any fun. We also questioned your claim that topless sex should as a matter of course be negotiated in advance, while it follows that, if that is true, all sorts of silly details should be settled prior to heading to the room. In response you play the victim, and, delusionally think you are of some great importance in these discussions when you aren't, aside from the obvious deliberate disruptions. Just relax wherever you are and finish out your life.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784233]I was just reading an article about Cuba Dave and his trial in Costa Rica for promoting prostitution. It was an older article and I don't know if you guys know about him but the article said he was freed on appeal and he left the country. It says that he has now moved to Colombia. When I was in Costa Rica, I hear so many stories about guys moving on from Costa Rica to Colombia. I am also hearing that more guys who have been going to Mexico are now visiting Colombia so Colombia is definitely is attracting a lot of attention. It is what it is. I know there are guys trying to hold the line on the so called going rate but when you have more and more guys coming to Colombia and the same amount of girls, supply and demand takes over, and the price goes up.

Anyway, there are some comments from Cuba Dave in that article that are very appropriate here and should be listened to by older mongers:

"A 60 year old man sleeping with 20 year old women and believing that they really like them is crazy. This is fantasy. This is entertainment. ".

Words of wisdom spoken by an experienced monger.[/QUOTE]There was a specific law in Costa Rica. Around 2012 or so, that outlawed the promotion of Costa Rica for purposes of sex tourism. Along that line. CD had a website, some pictures, stories, a subscription service, etc. (a website hosted in the US). He went back and forth to CR, chatted with gals, got pictures, promoted certain businesses on his website. So one trip he got arrested on the basis of this law. He spent a couple of years more or less in "preventive detention" which is more like guilty until proven innocent than the other way around. He was convicted of something, appealed, and the appeal was successful. A lot of reasons for the appeal being successful it seems. And so he survived. Was released, and from what I hear living the good life.

The lessons, I think. You may be innocent, but preventive detention and detention before trial is standard in Latin American countries. No "innocent until proven guilty". Another lesson. Don't give any appearance of promoting or being accused of taking advantage of a person in this business. Don't brag on social media or online anywhere about your "fun" even though the fun is legal. And don't think that because you come from a certain country you are automatically protected by laws in your place of origin, such as free speech or other such things. A few things that come to mind.

There were a couple of other cases in Colombia that did not turn out that nicely. Different accusations and situations. But appealing your conviction or accusation doesn't work out if you are dead.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784252]My suggestion is based on reality. The sex workers in Medellin are not limited to any zone that I know of. Is Park Lleras a Tolerance Zone? I don't think so. You will need to explain what do you think the law does and how is it being enforced in reality or someone knows the law can chime in?[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras most likely is not a zona de tolerencia. But sex work is not illegal as far as I know. It is a zoning issue. There is probably no automatic zoning to allow an overt sex business such as a strip club, brothel, etc. All that it is, as far as I know, is a standard zoning designation for certain areas where these sorts of businesses are automatically within municipal zoning laws. In places outside of that there may be an amendment required to a zoning designation, or some such thing. We have exactly the same thing in Canada. Massage parlors and strip clubs are only allowed in areas designated under zoning by-laws. Outside of those areas a variance would need to be approved by city council.

So it really has nothing to do with sex work being legal or not. It is whether you can get a permit to set up a certain type of business in a place.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2784118]I specified not a normal robbery as a joke but it is real and planned out by several girls.

Being naked for sex is expected. Only a hand full of troubling women have done this BS trick. I had several not want to take their shoes off. So I have to negotiate that too? Negotiates would take hours to cover everything. 5 fast pumps or 5 slow pumps? Shallow, deep, or somewhere in the middle penetration? Kiss your neck, cheek, lips? How many kisses?

I took a girl and had her one or two times. But the next time she tried that same shirt off extra BS. I got out quickly. Luckily the help there did not try to stop me.

Had another girl with big boobs and I specifically mentioned I wanted to suck on them. She said ok. We took a shower she got out first. 3 minutes later when I entered the bedroom she was rubbing baby oil on her boobs so I could not suck on her boobs. Well planned out.

I know the way things work in Centro better than you.

Are you transitioning to be a woman? You are always nagging on everyone's posts like you have nothing better to do. Oh, that's right you don't.[/QUOTE]Now I'll try to help you avoid these types of issues in the future.

Absolutely you have more experience in El Centro. You've probably done your thing there hundreds of times. Yet, even knowing how things work, and with all that experience, you can still have problems. Fortunately, I enjoy trying to solve problems.

You're already starting at a disadvantage, and this has nothing to do with you. There are 3 things which make having a good session with the girls in El Centro harder than having a good session with a Facebook girl, IMO.

1. Location. You're taking girls to basic rooms, not all of which are especially clean. It's the same type of place they see every day. When they go home, it's probably not much of an improvement. Guys staying in just average places are bringing girls to a much better place than they're used to. Guys like me, who splurge on nice places are taking them, for awhile, to the life they dream about. It's easier for a girl to be excited about a session in a better environment.

2. Time. With a Facebook girl there's plenty of time to set things up and plenty of time for the girl to relax. You've got a short time to work out the deal and only 20-30 minutes to finish up.

3. Money. With El Centro rates, your payment is maybe 20-30% of what the girl hopes to make each day. Each customer for a typical Facebook girl pays 20-30% of what she expects to make for the week. You're just 1 of dozens of customers, instead of 1 of a few.

Here are my suggestions for minimizing the problems you mentioned (except for 1). The good news is, you don't have to spend more time covering every contingency. For the ones who don't want to take off their shirt, just start specifying "desnuda, sin toda tu ropa"(naked without all of your clothes). Kissing is always going to be hit or miss, but that should reduce the number of girls who want more money to take of their shirt. Or you can insist they take a shower with you before the deed. If you've already soaped up her tits in the shower, you've probably avoided paying for the shirt to come off.

The baby oil on the tits after the shower might not have been an attempt to keep your mouth off of them. That might be her normal routine. My normal thing after a shower is to put on deodorant. It doesn't matter that I once had a girlfriend who enjoyed licking my armpits (it sounds crazy, and she was, but damn she was fun). I needed to be reminded not to use deodorant when I had a date with her.

The way I'd avoid the problem would be (after sucking on them in the shower) to get out of the shower at the same time. To me this is very important. Not only is it fun to dry each other off, but it's better if you don't leave the girl unsupervised, especially if your stuff is where she can get at it. That way, if she reaches for the oil, you're right there to stop her. Plus, if she's alone in the bed while you're in the shower, you're wasting time.

Girls who don't want to take their shoes off probably have a good reason. I've seen some floors that I didn't want to step on, but that's not the reason. If you're on your feet all day, your feet will swell. It's not a problem, until you take your shoes off. However, putting your shoes back on 20 or 30 minutes later might be difficult, even impossible with some women's shoes. Talk to a nurse and she'll confirm that swollen feet and heels don't mix.

There are other possibilities. Some have bad foot odor. Some have ugly feet. Some have complicated footwear that takes time to put on. Of course, insisting on showering together before the deed practically guarantees the shoes are coming off.

I sympathize with all the problems the El Centro guys have to deal with. Facebook has some drawbacks too, but it's definitely an easier way to get laid.

Congrats bro. I feel your frustration about furnishing your own place. I still have screen doors sitting in my spare bedroom waiting to be installed since last summer LOL. Do you have a Bancolombia or local bank account? Def helps with paying for EPM, property tax, etc when you're out the country. You can easily get a Bancolombia account now that you have your own spot.

BTW. I know there's been lots of talk about druggings and being extra careful around chicas, which are warranted. But I don't give a fuck jajaja. I party hasta la chimba hpta! There's no way I'm going out with a girl or girls and not drink, and I dont have to worry about leaving my drink unattended cuz I down my shots every time all the time 😆..fondo blanco bitches. Maybe it's because I've been coming here for over 10 yrs so I have the spidey paisa sense to know when to quit or when to keep getting lit. Scope my ass shit, I live and let die jajaja. Ok, I lie. Actually, dont come down here. Medellin is too dangerous, go to Dominican Republic, much safer 👍

Almost forgot…tussi makes the pussy juicy when you’re in the jacuzzi 😆

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2784305]
I finally bought a place, and will be getting a jacuzzi at some point. All is good, still having fun and reaping the rewards of living in Paisaland.

Hope all is well. Shoutout to all the Medellin pandemic bros. Those were good times. ISG provided a great outlet for the monotony, boredom, and loneliness.

Slapshot lives.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

I am looking to book Hotel dorado la 70 in Laureles, can someone tell me if its chica friendly, also do they register cedula for guests and if I book for 2 person will they ask for additional money to bring girls to your room, I became concerned about security by reading few recent posts about thus issue recently.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2781595]I had a flight to and from MDE, but it was cancelled. I went to their website and they have no flights out of MDE after the first week.

Anyone know what is going on?

I texted them to get my refund, and they told me it had something to do with COVID cases in Medellin.[/QUOTE]When is your flight, I am flying MIA-MED in first week of Feb and on their website there is no outbound flight after 7th Feb.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2781442]There are quick and easy brothels in El Centro that have been discussed here such as New Energy. You don't have to know anything, just the address of these casas like New Energy. You go in, you pick your girl and you screw and you pay a reasonable amount. There are also higher end strip clubs that have been mentioned where you can have sex in house. So for newbies there are some places to go for easy sex without much work.

As for Facebook, yes, you do need to do some advance work to make friend requests and for the girls to get around to accepting it and then for some chatting. It doesn't take months or years but it would take a few weeks before the trip. But it is true that those who have been doing it for a while have a blackbook of FB girls that makes it much easier because the girls know them and will meet with them quickly when they are in town for a price that has already been agreed upon.

It is better to know some Spanish but you don't have to be fluent. I just speak a little Spanish, just enough to get by. I probably spend 5 minutes every two days to learn a little Spanish and that is all the effort I make. You don't need game to meet with girls who are pay for play. You just need money.

But as you noted, Medellin is not as easy as Pattaya, Thailand, or some other mongering cities.[/QUOTE]New energy is different from Energy Fantasias Spa?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2784409]There was a specific law in Costa Rica. Around 2012 or so, that outlawed the promotion of Costa Rica for purposes of sex tourism. Along that line. CD had a website, some pictures, stories, a subscription service, etc. (a website hosted in the US). He went back and forth to CR, chatted with gals, got pictures, promoted certain businesses on his website. So one trip he got arrested on the basis of this law. He spent a couple of years more or less in "preventive detention" which is more like guilty until proven innocent than the other way around. He was convicted of something, appealed, and the appeal was successful. A lot of reasons for the appeal being successful it seems. And so he survived. Was released, and from what I hear living the good life.

The lessons, I think. You may be innocent, but preventive detention and detention before trial is standard in Latin American countries. No "innocent until proven guilty". Another lesson. Don't give any appearance of promoting or being accused of taking advantage of a person in this business. Don't brag on social media or online anywhere about your "fun" even though the fun is legal. And don't think that because you come from a certain country you are automatically protected by laws in your place of origin, such as free speech or other such things. A few things that come to mind.

There were a couple of other cases in Colombia that did not turn out that nicely. Different accusations and situations. But appealing your conviction or accusation doesn't work out if you are dead.[/QUOTE]The lesson I take from the Cuba Dave incident is to keep a low profile and don't get on the radar of your mongering country. Colombia does not want to have a reputation for prostitution. Like Costa Rica, they want to promote the country as a great place to visit and want to attract the non-mongering crowd.

I visit, I have a good time and I don't try to attract attention to myself other than with anonymous postings on this website.

It was New Year's Day and I had just gotten back from dinner with a few guys that I knew at El Poblado. It was probably around 11:00 pm and I decided to head down to the Mansion bar and hang out for a while. Being the evening of Jan 1st it was pretty dead in there with only a few girls there. I plopped down next to a girl and started chatting with her about stuff and in the conversation I find out that she is a nurse. In the conversation I found it interesting that she spent 2 years in nursing school and only made around $300 a month in salary working full time. We talked for around 20 minutes and after that thought she might be fun to play with so I ask her if she does oral natural. She reply's that she only does oral with a condom. So, I'm bummed because this is one of my requirements and really like this. So since there really were not any other options at the time, I decided to take her anyway and make the best of it.

We get back to my room and she starts taking her closes off and man she had huge tits, I had to make a bee line for those and enjoyed sucking on those for a while. There was a little milk left just a taste since she had finished breast feeding a few months ago. I then proceeded to move down for some DATY which was nice and clean. I had her pretty worked up by this time and myself too! I then proceeded to rub my dick on her pussy which was very wet by this time and proceeded to enter her missionary bareback which she was cool with. I ended up having her in about every position that I could think of which she was more that happy to accommodate.

After this I asked her if the would like a massage and she said an enthusiastic yes, she flipped over on the stomach and I proceeded to put some oil on her. I accidently put a little too much on her butt 😊. I massaged her back for around 5 minutes and started working my way down to her ass and started teasing her butt hole. She really seemed to like this and then told me that I could put my dick in. I was thinking this is pretty cool so I went at it real slow at first and once she was good and relaxed was able to go all in. I ended up climaxing deep in her ass.

Afterwards we sat around and talked for around 20 minutes and then she left. Total time 2 hours all inclusive $300,000 (around $66.00 us). I did have her over to my apartment in Laureles a few times after that session and she made it onto my regulars list.

So, the lesson learned here was just because they require a condom for oral does not mean that they will be not be a lot of fun. Then again, I was just plain stupid lucky.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784233]... It says that he has now moved to Colombia. When I was in Costa Rica, I hear so many stories about guys moving on from Costa Rica to Colombia. I am also hearing that more guys who have been going to Mexico are now visiting Colombia so Colombia is definitely is attracting a lot of attention......[/QUOTE]It seems as though the greater the number of reports of guys being drugged the greater the number of guys going to Colombia. It all started when covid struck and many destinations were closed to mongers but Colombia remained open. So guys flooded to Colombia. I have fond memories of my pre-2010 trips to Colombia which were among my best mongering experiences. It is with a little trepidation that I look forward to my March trip but I plan to do things differently. Colombia is a destination not to be missed.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784352]One issue with such a statement is what is the basis of this statement? What research have you conducted? What are the police statistics?....[/QUOTE]Given there very few gringos living El Centro, what is the basis of your post that seems to imply there are more locals waiting to rob gringos in El Centro?

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2784539]So, the lesson learned here was just because they require a condom for oral does not mean that they will be not be a lot of fun. Then again, I was just plain stupid lucky.[/QUOTE]I think there are a lot of exceptions depending on how you treat them, and your own hygiene, chemistry etc. Sounds like you put in the work to make her relax and enjoy. I'd bet she's cool with BBBJ with you at this point too. Would be odd if not given the other bb activities. It's only really a fraction of the seasoned pros who stick to their own rules consistently if there is chemistry or they relax around you. Either you get an upsell offer (happens to me in casas / stripclubs) or you get them asking you to do bb and other kinky stuff no money mentioned if you get along well.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784564]Given there very few gringos living El Centro, what is the basis of your post that seems to imply there are more locals waiting to rob gringos in El Centro?[/QUOTE]I am also guilty of making broad statements without much support. Is El Centro more dangerous than Poblado? I am just stating what a lot of videos on El Centro say and youtubers say but it is not a scientific analysis. I did take a walking tour with a local guide and he also thought that gringos have to be careful walking around El Centro because he thought that there are a lot of bad people hanging around El Centro. There may be more gringos in Poblado and so there might be more robberies of gringos in Poblado based on numbers but the percentage of gringos in El Centro being victims of crime may be higher based on the neighborhood but that is just speculation on my behalf.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784352]One issue with such a statement is what is the basis of this statement? What research have you conducted? What are the police statistics?

There are a lot of broad statements on this thread and most are not fact based. I don't have a clue about robberies in Parque Lleras versus other neighborhoods.

Another guy stated that FB girls usually do 3-4 gringos a week. Now, what is the basis of that statement? How do you know this? There are thousands of FB girls who engage with gringos. I doubt that there has been a scientific survey of a random sample of FB girls to assess their work schedule. Guys often say such things based on what one or two girls tell me but that is not enough to conclude what the average FB girl does.

I think the answer is we don't know and the FB girls are too varied to simply state a single conclusion.[/QUOTE]With the robbers statement, the key word is "probably" and it's probably wrong. Population density and crime go together. Whether it's right or wrong, it's important to understand that you can fall victim in any neighborhood.

I sent a message to Zuckerberg, but he hasn't responded about sharing data on Facebook girls in Medellin so I'm stuck with my experiences. If you're willing to give me a significant research budget, I'll be happy to attempt to answer with facts and data and a nice presentation complete with bell curves. Until then I'll just stick with my anecdotal research.

Many Facebook girls are getting 3-5 Facebook customers per week. Some are pushing for 7-10, while others struggle with 1-3. Still others are happy with 1-2 per week because it covers the hole in the existing household income.

Methodology: Two methods for collecting data over a 4 year period were used. The first was observation. Facebook girls love to post pictures from dates. Elevator, pool and jacuzzi photos are common. The second method was simple data collection from test subjects. Indirect questioning was used to approximate work habits. Further study is needed.

Exclusions: Information only covers dates originating with foreigners on Facebook. No data was collected on additional sexual activities with husband's, boyfriends, girlfriends or low income Colombian customers.

[QUOTE=Ullo2000;2784476]I am looking to book Hotel dorado la 70 in Laureles, can someone tell me if its chica friendly, also do they register cedula for guests and if I book for 2 person will they ask for additional money to bring girls to your room, I became concerned about security by reading few recent posts about thus issue recently.[/QUOTE]It used to be a girl per day and need to register them. Call and ask. Is is a good hotel, but pricy now, almost 100 USD per night last time I checked.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784564]Given there very few gringos living El Centro, what is the basis of your post that seems to imply there are more locals waiting to rob gringos in El Centro?[/QUOTE]I was in El Centro during the day, I don't think it's unsafe, lots of local tourists and families. At night I would not go alone.

I think Parque Lleras is very safe during the day and night. Lots of police presence. Robbing tourists is bad for business.

I don't think is as bad as some make it sound, if anything there are way more people out and about than I've ever seen. Don't flash your money and phone and you'll be fine.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2784366]No one is plotting "against" you, or looking to "score points" against you, as your importance falls way short of such endeavors. You are a guy who was swindled in Medellin for a year back in 2017 by a webcam girl and have spent very little time in the city since. We questioned your assertion that street girls all expect to be paid in advance of any fun. We also questioned your claim that topless sex should as a matter of course be negotiated in advance, while it follows that, if that is true, all sorts of silly details should be settled prior to heading to the room. In response you play the victim, and, delusionally think you are of some great importance in these discussions when you aren't, aside from the obvious deliberate disruptions. Just relax wherever you are and finish out your life.[/QUOTE]What? I understand your mental health is about as stable as a house of cards in a hurricane, but you seem to have vacated reality. Again.

I never stated that payment upon entering the room is standard practice. Many of the El Centro regulars have posted, and whenever the question comes up. I've always responded that you pay the girl after, not before. The exceptions are all strip clubs and most casas. Where you pay in advance. You pay after at New Life. At Energy I've been asked to pay before (the norm) and been asked to pay after.

However, and I'm paraphrasing the original post which prompted my response, which apparently brought on your most recent psychotic break, certain events require different tactics. The original post presented a situation where:

1. The girl wanted more money for something which is typically included in the base price.

2. The poster suggested he was at risk of losing much more than the agreed upon price if he left without paying.

3. The poster suggested there was a risk of physical violence if he left without paying and that efforts were made to detain him.

In the described situation, you can either agree to pay for the shirt to come off, or accept that you're getting less than expected for the 30-40 k price. And if you're feeling vindictive, you can pull out and blow your load on the shirt. If you're so disgusted by such a reversal, you can tell the girl you won't pay and leave. However, if you want to leave and points 2 and 3 are in play, your best move is to pay the girl and walk out. It's not worth risking everything you have, or risk being attacked over a few dollars.

Never did I assert, suggest or imply that street girls expect to be paid in advance. I'm not sure which "we" you're referring to, because you're the only one afflicted by that particular hallucination.

Sticking with your imaginary "we", I never stated that topless sex should be negotiated for, or anything else. However, in the past I've always asserted that if something is important to you, negotiate for it in advance. That's basic. If you can only eat a steak which is cooked well done, you better be very clear when ordering.

In addition, if something like pay extra for topless starts to be a regular problem then you should address the issue before making the deal. That's simple shit.

Just for the record:

I spent just short of 9 months in Medellin in 2017 (April 9 to December 31) minus 5 days spent in Bogota. In 2018 I spent almost 3 months in Medellin (January 1 to March 28). In 2019, I was only in Medellin for 11 days, although I stayed in a webcam girl's apartment in Sabaneta for free. The same webcam girl has repeatedly offered me free use of her Airbnb in Bogota (sure does suck getting swindled) Add 14 days in 2020 (Covid restrictions canceled my first trip plans). 2021 saw me in Medellin for only 12 days, and in Bogota, quarantined, for 2 weeks. 2022 was different. My first day was in Medellin. The next 5 days were spent in Bahia Solano with a girl from Envigado. Then 3 days in Envigado, 1 day in La Pintada with a girl from Guarne and the last 4 days in Medellin. My 2nd trip of 2022 I spent 3 days in Montelibano (visiting the above mentioned webcam girl) and 11 in Medellin. Between the 2 trips, the girl from Envigado came to visit twice, for 5 days at the end of June and again for 7 weeks in August and September. That's a total of 145 days in Medellin since 2017 and another 20 days elsewhere in Colombia. How does that stack up on the ISG non-ex-pat scale?

And finally, If I'm not that important, why are almost all of your posts either about me, or responding to me? And why are the events of 2017 so crucial to your entire existence that you force them into every conversation as if the year was a song by Jim Morrison?

[URL]https://youtu.be/hIs5StN8J-0[/URL]

Remember, the pills won't work if you don't take them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784601]What? I understand your mental health is about as stable as a house of cards in a hurricane, but you seem to have vacated reality. Again.

I never stated that payment upon entering the room is standard practice. Many of the El Centro regulars have posted, and whenever the question comes up. I've always responded that you pay the girl after, not before. The exceptions are all strip clubs and most casas. Where you pay in advance. You pay after at New Life. At Energy I've been asked to pay before (the norm) and been asked to pay after.

However, and I'm paraphrasing the original post which prompted my response, which apparently brought on your most recent psychotic break, certain events require different tactics. The original post presented a situation where:

1. The girl wanted more money for something which is typically included in the base price.

2. The poster suggested he was at risk of losing much more than the agreed upon price if he left without paying.

3. The poster suggested there was a risk of physical violence if he left without paying and that efforts were made to detain him.

In the described situation, you can either agree to pay for the shirt to come off, or accept that you're getting less than expected for the 30-40 k price. And if you're feeling vindictive, you can pull out and blow your load on the shirt. If you're so disgusted by such a reversal, you can tell the girl you won't pay and leave. However, if you want to leave and points 2 and 3 are in play, your best move is to pay the girl and walk out. It's not worth risking everything you have, or risk being attacked over a few dollars.

Never did I assert, suggest or imply that street girls expect to be paid in advance. I'm not sure which "we" you're referring to, because you're the only one afflicted by that particular hallucination.

Sticking with your imaginary "we", I never stated that topless sex should be negotiated for, or anything else. However, in the past I've always asserted that if something is important to you, negotiate for it in advance. That's basic. If you can only eat a steak which is cooked well done, you better be very clear when ordering.

In addition, if something like pay extra for topless starts to be a regular problem then you should address the issue before making the deal. That's simple shit.

Just for the record:

I spent just short of 9 months in Medellin in 2017 (April 9 to December 31) minus 5 days spent in Bogota. In 2018 I spent almost 3 months in Medellin (January 1 to March 28). In 2019, I was only in Medellin for 11 days, although I stayed in a webcam girl's apartment in Sabaneta for free. The same webcam girl has repeatedly offered me free use of her Airbnb in Bogota (sure does suck getting swindled) Add 14 days in 2020 (Covid restrictions canceled my first trip plans). 2021 saw me in Medellin for only 12 days, and in Bogota, quarantined, for 2 weeks. 2022 was different. My first day was in Medellin. The next 5 days were spent in Bahia Solano with a girl from Envigado. Then 3 days in Envigado, 1 day in La Pintada with a girl from Guarne and the last 4 days in Medellin. My 2nd trip of 2022 I spent 3 days in Montelibano (visiting the above mentioned webcam girl) and 11 in Medellin. Between the 2 trips, the girl from Envigado came to visit twice, for 5 days at the end of June and again for 7 weeks in August and September. That's a total of 145 days in Medellin since 2017 and another 20 days elsewhere in Colombia. How does that stack up on the ISG non-ex-pat scale?

And finally, If I'm not that important, why are almost all of your posts either about me, or responding to me? And why are the events of 2017 so crucial to your entire existence that you force them into every conversation as if the year was a song by Jim Morrison?

[URL]https://youtu.be/hIs5StN8J-0[/URL]

Remember, the pills won't work if you don't take them.[/QUOTE]How did you get swindled?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2784594]I was in El Centro during the day, I don't think it's unsafe, lots of local tourists and families. ...[/QUOTE]The post is not about which one is safer. I think the OP needs to back up his claim first if he is going to ask other to do so. That's all.

You are in a tourist area with police presence. It is different if you go out of that area. There are mny drug users. They live there. There are certain behavior one should avoid in most places, not just El Centro.

Check the hotel reviews for noise complaints.

[QUOTE=Ullo2000;2784476]I am looking to book Hotel dorado la 70 in Laureles, can someone tell me if its chica friendly, also do they register cedula for guests and if I book for 2 person will they ask for additional money to bring girls to your room, I became concerned about security by reading few recent posts about thus issue recently.[/QUOTE]

Great to see you here again. Stay well and keep that jacuzzi clean when you get it.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2784305]With the recent murder accusation of a gringo stuffing a Colombian DJ into a suitcase, I've noticed a lot of girls posting warnings and other shit on their social media. I think now is a good time to be extra diligent about our safety in Medellin / Colombia. They don't seem to be as angry when gringos get found dead in their apartments, but it is what it is. I would guess chicks in need of money might be a little more willing to scope a gringo right now than a week ago. Just do your best to be cautious.

If you think the Paisa prepagos are thieves and provide poor service, try furnishing an apartment. Holy shit it's mind-boggling, some of the stuff that has gone on.

I finally bought a place, and will be getting a jacuzzi at some point. All is good, still having fun and reaping the rewards of living in Paisaland.

Hope all is well. Shoutout to all the Medellin pandemic bros. Those were good times. ISG provided a great outlet for the monotony, boredom, and loneliness.

Slapshot lives.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2784713]The post is not about which one is safer. I think the OP needs to back up his claim first if he is going to ask other to do so. That's all.

You are in a tourist area with police presence. It is different if you go out of that area. There are mny drug users. They live there. There are certain behavior one should avoid in most places, not just El Centro.[/QUOTE]Yes to all of the above. Since Covid and the park construction there are some dark areas around Parque Lleras where you might encounter trouble late at night. Lots of the clubs are gone and the crowds have moved up to Provenza. Now the girls are lined up on Calle 10. Eventually I expect the police to force them off of 10 to someplace less visible.

There are also parts of Poblado, especially towards the north west corner that are not what you might expect to find in Poblado.

No matter where you are, you should be aware.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2784366]No one is plotting "against" you, or looking to "score points" against you, as your importance falls way short of such endeavors. You are a guy who was swindled in Medellin for a year back in 2017 by a webcam girl and have spent very little time in the city since. We questioned your assertion that street girls all expect to be paid in advance of any fun. We also questioned your claim that topless sex should as a matter of course be negotiated in advance, while it follows that, if that is true, all sorts of silly details should be settled prior to heading to the room. In response you play the victim, and, delusionally think you are of some great importance in these discussions when you aren't, aside from the obvious deliberate disruptions. Just relax wherever you are and finish out your life.[/QUOTE]Precise and concise.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2784657]How did you get swindled?[/QUOTE]Swindled is Paulie's term. He's not stable under the best of conditions and my existence antagonizes him. Probably because I'm the only person who tried to be friends with him, but turned my back when he kept going psycho on me. In his twisted way, it's his continuing effort to punish me for leaving him friendless.

A brief synopsis:

2017 I liquidated everything in the US and moved to Medellin, the plan was to be part of a new webcam studio. The studio provided me with a room in a nice apartment, where I only paid for internet and half the utilities. While waiting for the studio to get going I was introduced to Juan Bustos and did some work for him. Juan is a huge deal in the Colombian webcam industry.

After 8 months the new studio didn't exist and the work for Juan wasn't enough to pay my expenses. The boss and I parted ways after I insisted on some compensation for my time. I struggled on for another 4 months before going back to the US and back to work.

The imaginary swindle is based on Paulie's delusions. I took a big gamble without knowing everyone who was in the game. The guy who recruited me didn't profit from me in the long run. His disagreement with me caused my roommate to force him into a much better deal for her and led her to work independently, losing him about half his income. Meanwhile, she remains a solid friend to me. The only thing he swindled out of me was the internet I paid for. However, had I been in my own apartment, my expenses would have quadrupled.

In my opinion, no attempt to swindle me was made. The guy just wasn't up to the task of running a webcam studio. Granted, I spent a year with almost no income and spent $25 k of my own money, but I consider it a fair trade.

For $25 k I took 1 year off from work. I spent 1 year in Colombia. I met a lot of new friends in Colombia. I got a very nice new laptop. I took classes to greatly improve my Spanish. I fucked a lot of Colombian women. I lost 60 pounds and got into good shape. And I got to start over.

Ending up in a big hole sucks. Climbing out of the hole feels great. Filling the hole and then climbing back up the ladder feels fantastic. If I hadn't blindly jumped at the deal I don't know where I would be today. However, I'm thrilled to be where I am now, so I consider the experience to be to my benefit.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784573]I am also guilty of making broad statements without much support. Is El Centro more dangerous than Poblado? I am just stating what a lot of videos on El Centro say and youtubers say but it is not a scientific analysis. I did take a walking tour with a local guide and he also thought that gringos have to be careful walking around El Centro because he thought that there are a lot of bad people hanging around El Centro. There may be more gringos in Poblado and so there might be more robberies of gringos in Poblado based on numbers but the percentage of gringos in El Centro being victims of crime may be higher based on the neighborhood but that is just speculation on my behalf.[/QUOTE]I think the issue is the original post mentioned targeting gringos. If two guys on a moto want to target gringos, logically speaking, they will go to a target rich location that has good escape route.

I was wondering if any of you have ever been in the same boat as me. Basically, I stayed in Colombia for exactly 180 days in both 2021 and 2022. This means that I have stayed pass 183 days in a rolling 365-day period. Colombia law requires anyone who have stayed pass 183 days in a 365 day period to file taxes in Colombia. This is where I fit into. Has any one you stayed in Colombia pass 183 days in a 365-day period and needed to filed taxes?

I reached out to those gringos I know who live in Colombia year around, they all have filed taxes because they are either married to Colombians, or own properties, or have Colombia based income so they have to file anyways. Since I am a "tourist" who owns nothing in Colombia, their version of "IRS" don't know about me. Do I HAVE TO file?

Hotel Dorado La 70 is chica friendly. Granted, I wasn't bringing in 3 or 4 girls at a time, drunk offmy ass and being a fool. They have a few people at the front desk, and a low level security guard at door entrance from street. It is not a monger heavy establishment, but I had no problems no extra fee, and they seemed to know the routine about checking and copying ID.

Someone else commented about some noise complaints. Well, it is super convenient and right in the heart of restaurants, pubs and clubs, so it comes with the territory. I had no issues unless you are a super light sleeper. A room without balcony and sliding door would probably be quiter. But I requested top floor with balcony. Amazing views and well worth it.

I would add one thing. NO safe on room so better chica proof it or hide things.

[QUOTE=Ullo2000;2784476]I am looking to book Hotel dorado la 70 in Laureles, can someone tell me if its chica friendly, also do they register cedula for guests and if I book for 2 person will they ask for additional money to bring girls to your room, I became concerned about security by reading few recent posts about thus issue recently.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2784859]I was wondering if any of you have ever been in the same boat as me. Basically, I stayed in Colombia for exactly 180 days in both 2021 and 2022. This means that I have stayed pass 183 days in a rolling 365-day period. Colombia law requires anyone who have stayed pass 183 days in a 365 day period to file taxes in Colombia. This is where I fit into. Has any one you stayed in Colombia pass 183 days in a 365-day period and needed to filed taxes?

I reached out to those gringos I know who live in Colombia year around, they all have filed taxes because they are either married to Colombians, or own properties, or have Colombia based income so they have to file anyways. Since I am a "tourist" who owns nothing in Colombia, their version of "IRS" don't know about me. Do I HAVE TO file?[/QUOTE]Highly unlikely DIAN Colombia's "IRS" will come after you to file taxes as you don't even have a Cedula. Basically DIAN doesn't even know you exist and I have never heard of immigration identifying "tourists" who exceeded 183 days in 365 days being tracked down to file taxes.

Hell, I've never even heard of gringos in Colombia on resident / pension visas being tracked down to file taxes for that matter.

I would love to debate some of the hot issues on this website but I am busy trying to arrange girls to come over and have sex with me. This is my first time in Laureles so I will tell you how it compares to Poblado after the trip. There seems to be about a thousand hamburger places here.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2784859]I was wondering if any of you have ever been in the same boat as me. Basically, I stayed in Colombia for exactly 180 days in both 2021 and 2022. This means that I have stayed pass 183 days in a rolling 365-day period. Colombia law requires anyone who have stayed pass 183 days in a 365 day period to file taxes in Colombia. This is where I fit into. Has any one you stayed in Colombia pass 183 days in a 365-day period and needed to filed taxes?

I reached out to those gringos I know who live in Colombia year around, they all have filed taxes because they are either married to Colombians, or own properties, or have Colombia based income so they have to file anyways. Since I am a "tourist" who owns nothing in Colombia, their version of "IRS" don't know about me. Do I HAVE TO file?[/QUOTE]It's not per rolling 365 day period. It's per calendar year and the clock always resets each Jan 1st of each year. You are allowed 180 days total per calendar year.

[QUOTE=Bill;2784826]Precise and concise.[/QUOTE]Not in any way accurate, but accuracy isn't important to everyone.

[QUOTE=Bill;2784826]Precise and concise.[/QUOTE]I have a better response, but first a story.

About 15 years ago I took up archery, for fun and to do some hunting. Plus, it's a useful skill in case of zombie attack or if some rednecks in Arkansas are giving you the Ned Beatty treatment (unless you're into that, I'm not judging). I joined a league to make improving more interesting.

There was no chance of me winning. The winner scored 5997 of a possible 6000. Even with my handicap there was no chance. However, due to starting with a high handicap and constant improvement, I finished in a 3 way tie for 2nd, which required 1 more match to finish the placement. 1 guy was an old veteran, probably had been shooting for 40 years. The other was a 12 year old who already had a national sponsor. About halfway through the kid realized he had us both beat and started running his mouth. It didn't matter to me. I would have been thrilled finishing in the top 10.

When there were 2 rounds left it was clear, he would finish 2nd, I'd get 3rd and the old guy 4th. Then he let his mouth take over and put the next 3 shots dead center. He turned to me and said "I bet you can't beat that. " I told him, probably not, but I have to wait until you take your arrows out of my target. " That dropped him to 4th and left me in 2nd.

It doesn't matter how precise you are, if you don't know what you're shooting at.

I'm all in favor of you trying to get in shots on me Bill, although I have no idea why you want to. However, you're not getting anywhere playing cheerleader for Paulie (again if you're into that kind of role play, I'm not judging).

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2784910]It's not per rolling 365 day period. It's per calendar year and the clock always resets each Jan 1st of each year. You are allowed 180 days total per calendar year.[/QUOTE]I think technically you are supposed to file taxes if you've stayed 183 days in a ROLLING 365 day period. Specifically the law says that if the 183 days spans multiple calendar years, you will be considered a tax resident for the second year. That said, I highly doubt anyone is going to come tracking you down, especially since you don't have a cedula.

To Gabacho who says it resets every January 1, I do not believe that to be true. The amount of days you can stay in the country in a calendar year resets on Jan 1, which makes sense since the limit is per calendar year. But this is not true with respect to taxes.

Refer here:
https://www.medellinlawyer.com/colombia-personal-tax-declaration/

Out of curiousity, how did you stay in Colombia for an entire year? What type of visa did you have? 25 k investment does not seem like enough for a business visa. In 2017 the exchange rate was not as favorable as it is today.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784828]Swindled is Paulie's term. He's not stable under the best of conditions and my existence antagonizes him. Probably because I'm the only person who tried to be friends with him, but turned my back when he kept going psycho on me. In his twisted way, it's his continuing effort to punish me for leaving him friendless.

A brief synopsis:

2017 I liquidated everything in the US and moved to Medellin, the plan was to be part of a new webcam studio. The studio provided me with a room in a nice apartment, where I only paid for internet and half the utilities. While waiting for the studio to get going I was introduced to Juan Bustos and did some work for him. Juan is a huge deal in the Colombian webcam industry.

After 8 months the new studio didn't exist and the work for Juan wasn't enough to pay my expenses. The boss and I parted ways after I insisted on some compensation for my time. I struggled on for another 4 months before going back to the US and back to work.

The imaginary swindle is based on Paulie's delusions. I took a big gamble without knowing everyone who was in the game. The guy who recruited me didn't profit from me in the long run. His disagreement with me caused my roommate to force him into a much better deal for her and led her to work independently, losing him about half his income. Meanwhile, she remains a solid friend to me. The only thing he swindled out of me was the internet I paid for. However, had I been in my own apartment, my expenses would have quadrupled.

In my opinion, no attempt to swindle me was made. The guy just wasn't up to the task of running a webcam studio. Granted, I spent a year with almost no income and spent $25 k of my own money, but I consider it a fair trade.

For $25 k I took 1 year off from work. I spent 1 year in Colombia. I met a lot of new friends in Colombia. I got a very nice new laptop. I took classes to greatly improve my Spanish. I fucked a lot of Colombian women. I lost 60 pounds and got into good shape. And I got to start over.

Ending up in a big hole sucks. Climbing out of the hole feels great. Filling the hole and then climbing back up the ladder feels fantastic. If I hadn't blindly jumped at the deal I don't know where I would be today. However, I'm thrilled to be where I am now, so I consider the experience to be to my benefit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2784965]Out of curiousity, how did you stay in Colombia for an entire year? What type of visa did you have?....[/QUOTE]My guess is you can do it with a student visa.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2784963]I think technically you are supposed to file taxes if you've stayed 183 days in a ROLLING 365 day period. Specifically the law says that if the 183 days spans multiple calendar years, you will be considered a tax resident for the second year. That said, I highly doubt anyone is going to come tracking you down, especially since you don't have a cedula.

To Gabacho who says it resets every January 1, I do not believe that to be true. The amount of days you can stay in the country in a calendar year resets on Jan 1, which makes sense since the limit is per calendar year. But this is not true with respect to taxes.

Refer here:
https://www.medellinlawyer.com/colombia-personal-tax-declaration/[/QUOTE]Yea my bad, I misread his question, I was referring to the the 180 days per calendar year that you can stay in the country without a visa, that resets every Jan 1. As far as taxes I really don't know how that works down here.

Hi Moonshot,

One of my favorite restaurants there is Crepes why Wafles, the Chicken and Broccoli crepe is my all time favorite. It pretty popular so you will probably encounter a waiting line. Caduff Pasta Fresca is also a great place with home made pasta. This place is owned by a English speaking European guy, I forgot his name though. Parmessano close to Parque Segundo is also good, usually a wait there too. Ammazza Gin Garden is also really good. La Pampa is an Argentinian steak house that I have been a few times the Baby Beef is really good. Anyway there are hundreds of restaurants there all within walking distance and there is also the food court at the UniCentro mall that has lots of places to eat too.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784909]I would love to debate some of the hot issues on this website but I am busy trying to arrange girls to come over and have sex with me. This is my first time in Laureles so I will tell you how it compares to Poblado after the trip. There seems to be about a thousand hamburger places here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2785056]My guess is you can do it with a student visa.[/QUOTE]I would be impressed if that were the case, going to school and running a business at the same time is hard.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2784965]Out of curiousity, how did you stay in Colombia for an entire year? What type of visa did you have? 25 k investment does not seem like enough for a business visa. In 2017 the exchange rate was not as favorable as it is today.[/QUOTE]6 months on regular tourist visa, 6 months on student visa.

To qualify for a 6 month student visa you have to prepay for 3 months of classes at an accredited institution. Prepay for 6 classes for a 1 year visa. Cost was about 3. 3 million for 3 Spanish classes at EAFIT. Classes are 5 days per week, 2 hours per day, for 4 weeks. If in Colombia the student visa can only be done at the Migracion office in Bogota.

Once you have any visa, other than the tourist visa, you have to get a cedula de extranjero. You can get that from any Migracion office.

The way it worked out my student visa expired 1 year and 6 days after my initial entry.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2785095]I would be impressed if that were the case, going to school and running a business at the same time is hard.[/QUOTE]Probably pensioners visa?? Isn't jjbee of social security age?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784959].....About 15 years ago I took up archery, for fun and to do some hunting. Plus, it's a useful skill in case of zombie attack or if some rednecks in Arkansas are giving you the Ned Beatty treatment (unless you're into that, I'm not judging). I joined a league to make improving more interesting.

There was no chance of me winning. The winner scored 5997 of a possible 6000. Even with my handicap there was no chance. However, due to starting with a high handicap and constant improvement, I finished in a 3 way tie for 2nd, which required 1 more match to finish the placement. 1 guy was an old veteran, probably had been shooting for 40 years. The other was a 12 year old who already had a national sponsor. About halfway through the kid realized he had us both beat and started running his mouth. It didn't matter to me. I would have been thrilled finishing in the top 10.

When there were 2 rounds left it was clear, he would finish 2nd, I'd get 3rd and the old guy 4th........[/QUOTE]I took up archery when I was 15 years old but it involved shooting my penis into a vagina, I used to be able to do 3 rounds but now I usually do 1. Out of a possible 6000 I probably ejaculated in about 5,950.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2785111]I took up archery when I was 15 years old but it involved shooting my penis into a vagina, I used to be able to do 3 rounds but now I usually do 1. Out of a possible 6000 I probably ejaculated in about 5,950.[/QUOTE]Not including all the practice?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2785070]Yea my bad, I misread his question, I was referring to the the 180 days per calendar year that you can stay in the country without a visa, that resets every Jan 1. As far as taxes I really don't know how that works down here.[/QUOTE]Not to quibble with you but there are some tricky situations. That reset word can be problematical.

So, for example, a monger who no longer posts on ISG spent a lot of time in Medellin. He was at 170 days and decided to come on Christmas Eve and planned on staying a month.

Afterall there were only 7 days left in 2021 and January 1 would reset right?? Wrong! He had 8 days which only took him to 178 BUT he had not left the country so his reset didn't start.

Until he exited and reentered the country. In other words, if he had stayed over into 2022 he would have run over the 180 days because the reset didn't occur until his existing entry stamp was matched with an exit stamp. He checked on this and made a two day trip to Panama City to accomplish his exit and then his reentry started the new year and the 180 days limitation.

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[QUOTE=Mongo1;2785076]Hi Moonshot,

One of my favorite restaurants there is Crepes why Wafles, the Chicken and Broccoli crepe is my all time favorite. It pretty popular so you will probably encounter a waiting line. Caduff Pasta Fresca is also a great place with home made pasta. This place is owned by a English speaking European guy, I forgot his name though. Parmessano close to Parque Segundo is also good, usually a wait there too. Ammazza Gin Garden is also really good. La Pampa is an Argentinian steak house that I have been a few times the Baby Beef is really good. Anyway there are hundreds of restaurants there all within walking distance and there is also the food court at the UniCentro mall that has lots of places to eat too.[/QUOTE]I have been eating at different places since I arrived last night. Walking around, I definitely see a lot of different options. I look forward to eating at all these different places. And yes last night I was eating some tasty pussy from a 18 year old girl. Definitely more of that every day on my trip!

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2785095]I would be impressed if that were the case, going to school and running a business at the same time is hard.[/QUOTE]He probably stayed from June to June. 180 days in one year, and 180 days the next calendar year (Jan 1st is when 180 days rule re-sets).

I'd be interested in hearing from an El Centro regular who can perhaps clarify if my experience at Barra Ejecutiva was most likely a one-off (a chica trying to rip me off, rather than a sea change in strip club chica pricing).

On my return to Medellin early this month, I've twice had great luck finding a "hidden-gem"/"diamond-in-the-rough" beauty of a chica at Barra Ejecutiva. During many prior visits to the El Centro Clubs (most often Conejitos), I usually have walked out after finding only 3 or 4 marginally "doable" chicas at work, and the rest of the available ladies I wouldn't take to bed even if they paid me. and with the exception of my two "finds" the same proved true at Barra Ejecutiva.

I had great sessions with both of these hot chicas on the premises (good energy, DFK, BBBJ, and with one of them, to my surprise, slipping me in bareback). The 1 hour payment to the club was 250,000 (which seemed a bit steep for an El Centro club compared with what I vaguely recalled from my visit last August / September, but for me acceptable in the context of overall inflation here. I also gave them each a propina for the GFE extras).

Last night I returned to see one of these chicas (the other had returned to Venezuela a few days after I met her). When I asked her to a room, she told me that, since my visit 2 weeks ago, the club manager had raised the 1 hour price to 330,000 (including 30k for the room). While she went to the ladies room, I tried to double-check this pricing with one of the waiters, but he replied that I had to speak to the chica. When my lady friend returned, I attempted o clarify with her whether that was just her new price, or if it was the new charge for all the girls in the joint. With raggaeton blaring from the speakers and my imperfect Spanish, I wasn't sure what she said, but I think she implied that it was an across the board increase. In any event, I took a walk. 330 k to screw in a sleazy joint like Barra Ejecutiva (one stellar feature: the route to a room with your chosen girl, takes you into the men's room and through a hole in the wall of the toilet stall) is incredibly right up there with the going rates at La Isla and Fase II. (The latter now charges 300 k for 45 minutes.).

Can one of you El Centro hands chime in and let us know whether I was being ripped off, or if prices at Barra Ejecutiva (and perhaps elsewhere in El Centro) have really escalated that dramatically since late last year?

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785168]

Can one of you El Centro hands chime in and let us know whether I was being ripped off, or if prices at Barra Ejecutiva (and perhaps elsewhere in El Centro) have really escalated that dramatically since late last year?[/QUOTE]Bara Ejec is always the most expenive in Centro. Mostly for drinks though, not for the girls. I think I paid 80.000 when I was last there, but TBH if your asking for 1 hour it would be more. The girls also will try to charge you what they can, even if there is a standard rate. The mesero's response tells you that. I don't go there often enough to help you more. I avoid the place due to the prices. I also avoid Conejitos due to the staff attitude. I like to stand at the bar and have a beer and chat with the girls and the staff. I don't like to be processed like a farm animal.

I had multiple sessions at Barra most recently in mid December. Standard rate seems to be 130 k mill for 30-45 minutes. Drinks are much more expensive than Conejitas but it does seem that you were ripped off.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785168]I'd be interested in hearing from an El Centro regular who can perhaps clarify if my experience at Barra Ejecutiva was most likely a one-off (a chica trying to rip me off, rather than a sea change in strip club chica pricing).

On my return to Medellin early this month, I've twice had great luck finding a "hidden-gem"/"diamond-in-the-rough" beauty of a chica at Barra Ejecutiva. During many prior visits to the El Centro Clubs (most often Conejitos), I usually have walked out after finding only 3 or 4 marginally "doable" chicas at work, and the rest of the available ladies I wouldn't take to bed even if they paid me. and with the exception of my two "finds" the same proved true at Barra Ejecutiva.

I had great sessions with both of these hot chicas on the premises (good energy, DFK, BBBJ, and with one of them, to my surprise, slipping me in bareback). The 1 hour payment to the club was 250,000 (which seemed a bit steep for an El Centro club compared with what I vaguely recalled from my visit last August / September, but for me acceptable in the context of overall inflation here. I also gave them each a propina for the GFE extras).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785168]I'd be interested in hearing from an El Centro regular who can perhaps clarify if my experience at Barra Ejecutiva was most likely a one-off (a chica trying to rip me off, rather than a sea change in strip club chica pricing)..

I had great sessions with both of these hot chicas on the premises (good energy, DFK, BBBJ, and with one of them, to my surprise, slipping me in bareback). The 1 hour payment to the club was 250,000 (which seemed a bit steep for an El Centro club compared with what I vaguely recalled from my visit last August / September, but for me acceptable in the context of overall inflation here. I also gave them each a propina for the GFE extras).

Last night I returned to see one of these chicas (the other had returned to Venezuela a few days after I met her). When I asked her to a room, she told me that, since my visit 2 weeks ago, the club manager had raised the 1 hour price to 330,000 (including 30k for the room). While she went to the ladies room,[b] I tried to double-check this pricing with one of the waiters, but he replied that I had to speak to the chica. [/b][/QUOTE]250? LOL. Like JTK, the last I was in there I paid 80 k. The waiter told you correctly. You have to ask the girl because each girl makes her own price. That is why I have? When people come reporting that the price is a particular thing. You negotiate the price with each individual girl. There is no set price. One thing I can bet is that Colombians are not paying 250 and 330.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2785136]Not to quibble with you but there are some tricky situations. That reset word can be problematical.

So, for example, a monger who no longer posts on ISG spent a lot of time in Medellin. He was at 170 days and decided to come on Christmas Eve and planned on staying a month.

Afterall there were only 7 days left in 2021 and January 1 would reset right?? Wrong! He had 8 days which only took him to 178 BUT he had not left the country so his reset didn't start.

Until he exited and reentered the country. In other words, if he had stayed over into 2022 he would have run over the 180 days because the reset didn't occur until his existing entry stamp was matched with an exit stamp. He checked on this and made a two day trip to Panama City to accomplish his exit and then his reentry started the new year and the 180 days limitation.[/QUOTE]Yes I remember when Osteoknot posted this. The 180 days per calendar year does reset on Jan 1 but not if you are already here before January 1st. You need to leave and then come back in that case. I have also noticed that the 90 day extension (permanencia para prorrogar or whatever it's called) is only required if you stay past 90 days on any one trip such as a whole 180 day block, but if you stay 90 days then leave then come back agn within the same year they give you a brand new 90 days again without having to pay for the extension.

There's a lot of little caveats that migracion Colombia is not really clear about on their website and you just have to learn them thru experience.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784813]Yes to all of the above.

There are also parts of Poblado, especially towards the north west corner that are not what you might expect to find in Poblado.

No matter where you are, you should be aware.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Close to the river, for example along Avenida Las Vegas near Poblado Station, is much more dangerous than around, say Provenza.

Man, you could make a living by writing articles.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784828]For $25 k I took 1 year off from work. I spent 1 year in Colombia. I met a lot of new friends in Colombia. I got a very nice new laptop. I took classes to greatly improve my Spanish. I fucked a lot of Colombian women. I lost 60 pounds and got into good shape. And I got to start over.

Ending up in a big hole sucks. Climbing out of the hole feels great. Filling the hole and then climbing back up the ladder feels fantastic. If I hadn't blindly jumped at the deal I don't know where I would be today. However, I'm thrilled to be where I am now, so I consider the experience to be to my benefit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2785076]Hi Moonshot,

One of my favorite restaurants there is Crepes why Wafles, the Chicken and Broccoli crepe is my all time favorite. It pretty popular so you will probably encounter a waiting line. Caduff Pasta Fresca is also a great place with home made pasta. This place is owned by a English speaking European guy, I forgot his name though. Parmessano close to Parque Segundo is also good, usually a wait there too. Ammazza Gin Garden is also really good. La Pampa is an Argentinian steak house that I have been a few times the Baby Beef is really good. Anyway there are hundreds of restaurants there all within walking distance and there is also the food court at the UniCentro mall that has lots of places to eat too.[/QUOTE]For those who don't know, Crepes and Waffles can be found all over, including in many of the malls. If you have no interest in Colombian food, don't want a diet of just hamburgers and pizza, it's a good option. Most people should be able to find something to their liking on the menu.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2785106]Probably pensioners visa?? Isn't jjbee of social security age?[/QUOTE]Not quite there yet, but I'm at the point where I get the senior citizen discount without asking. I just started practicing yelling "get off my lawn", so I'll be ready.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2784828]Swindled is Paulie's term. He's not stable under the best of conditions and my existence antagonizes him. Probably because I'm the only person who tried to be friends with him, but turned my back when he kept going psycho on me. In his twisted way, it's his continuing effort to punish me for leaving him friendless.

A brief synopsis:

2017 I liquidated everything in the US and moved to Medellin, the plan was to be part of a new webcam studio. The studio provided me with a room in a nice apartment, where I only paid for internet and half the utilities. While waiting for the studio to get going I was introduced to Juan Bustos and did some work for him. Juan is a huge deal in the Colombian webcam industry....

However, I'm thrilled to be where I am now, so I consider the experience to be to my benefit.[/QUOTE]Jjbee, I just want to thank you for sharing. I admire the courage it took to make that leap. Interesting story. And while you might not be more wealthy after it, you are richer from the experience.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2785156]He probably stayed from June to June. 180 days in one year, and 180 days the next calendar year (Jan 1st is when 180 days rule re-sets).[/QUOTE]I'm loving all the speculation, but it was simply done by taking the first 90 on the tourist visa, extending for the 2nd 90 days and then a 6 month student visa.

June to June won't work because you are still required to leave the country to reset the tourist visa.

They changed quite a bit with the different visas a few years ago, so if you're going to be pushing the 180 days, or using the student visa like I did, do some research.

Also, with any of the formal visas (unless this was changed), you're required to submit a letter, in Spanish. I spent a long time searching, because the Migracion website didn't mention anything about what was supposed to be in the letter. It's basically just a statement of financial responsibility stating you'll be responsible for paying your way out of Colombia when your visa expires.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2784909]I would love to debate some of the hot issues on this website but I am busy trying to arrange girls to come over and have sex with me. This is my first time in Laureles so I will tell you how it compares to Poblado after the trip. There seems to be about a thousand hamburger places here.[/QUOTE]LOL that's great, enjoy yourself bro!!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785168]I'd be interested in hearing from an El Centro regular who can perhaps clarify if my experience at Barra Ejecutiva was most likely a one-off (a chica trying to rip me off, rather than a sea change in strip club chica pricing).

On my return to Medellin early this month, I've twice had great luck finding a "hidden-gem"/"diamond-in-the-rough" beauty of a chica at Barra Ejecutiva. During many prior visits to the El Centro Clubs (most often Conejitos), I usually have walked out after finding only 3 or 4 marginally "doable" chicas at work, and the rest of the available ladies I wouldn't take to bed even if they paid me. and with the exception of my two "finds" the same proved true at Barra Ejecutiva.

I had great sessions with both of these hot chicas on the premises (good energy, DFK, BBBJ, and with one of them, to my surprise, slipping me in bareback). The 1 hour payment to the club was 250,000 (which seemed a bit steep for an El Centro club compared with what I vaguely recalled from my visit last August / September, but for me acceptable in the context of overall inflation here. I also gave them each a propina for the GFE extras).[/QUOTE]About 2 weeks ago I was was offered 130 mil, then 100, then 80 mil (same chica). Though it was her that was offering to sell not me asking to buy. Never had a session for 1 h there although I'd actually expect to pay less and get some kind of discount for longer time, like in casas. AFAIK chicas set their own prices so don't buy the BS of 'papi, I would, but it's not allowed here for less than X'.

Hah, yes that walk thorough toilet can be a mood killer. Rooms are quite alright for Centro standards though. I think they hide those backroom entrances a bit since they aren't officially allowed to offer rooms. I remember when one time me and the chica weren't allowed to get out of the backstage at Nueva Avenida because the police was in the club (well we waited back in the prison room and had some unscheduled additional free fun so no complaints really).

For guys bringing girls back to the hotel, the cedula requirement can be an issue. Most hotels require the physical identification card or password. Some girls have lost it and only have a photocopy or only have the online version on the government website. Last night I had dinner for a girl and everything was going well and I had asked her before coming if she had her cedula and she said yes. Well, we go to my hotel and it turns out she only has a photocopy that is not good enough. There was the option of going to a short-term hotel but it was late and I was uncomfortable about it.

And then tomorrow's girl which is today also has a problem. After last night, I've been more thorough in asking if a girl has her physical identification card. The girl said she only had the online government version with a password. There are a few hotels that take it, like on my last trip, but this hotel did not.

When I get back home, I will mention what hotel I am staying in.

There are plenty of other girls to see when one girl does not have her physical identification but it is always a bummer when the girl you want has issues with her identification card. In the daytime, I am more comfortable with short-term hotels and I would be willing to use one if necessary.

There are some guys who advise men not to bring girls back to the hotel due to security concerns. They feel that the short-term hotels are safer when you want to see girls that you really don't know.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2785212]if you stay 90 days then leave then come back agn within the same year they give you a brand new 90 days again without having to pay for the extension.

There's a lot of little caveats that migracion Colombia is not really clear about on their website and you just have to learn them thru experience.[/QUOTE]Yes, plus they can make mistakes. Last year I was here for about 1 month, then left for 5-6 weeks, then came back again on same passport. I extended online and I thought they would have reduced my 90 day extension by the amount of time I had already spent in Colombia on the first visit. Both entry stamps are on the same page of my passport. But no, they extended another 90 days anyway, as if my first visit wasn't included in the total 180 days. And who am I to argue with an immigration official if he / she grants me permission to stay for 210 days in one year? I can only assume they were following the law. They gave my permission to do it anyway.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2785183]Bara Ejec is always the most expenive in Centro. Mostly for drinks though, not for the girls. I think I paid 80.000 when I was last there, but TBH if your asking for 1 hour it would be more. The girls also will try to charge you what they can, even if there is a standard rate. The mesero's response tells you that. I don't go there often enough to help you more. I avoid the place due to the prices. I also avoid Conejitos due to the staff attitude. I like to stand at the bar and have a beer and chat with the girls and the staff. I don't like to be processed like a farm animal.[/QUOTE]I like Nueva grill for cheap price, girls and atmosphere. Barra drinks are expensive, I was there two years ago and I believe it was like 18 mil or20 mil for a beer, I don't know what it is now, I haven't been back since I found my favorite spot Nueva.

I go to Conejita too but the girls are lacking, mostly too thick for my liking jaja and BarriorSpinner got charged 150 mil for half for a thin spinner. He also was quoted 150 mil from another spinner a day earlier too. I got similar thin spinner next door beautiful face (her sister wasn't bad either) at Nueva for 70 mil. I'll post report once I am back and got time.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2785378]About 2 weeks ago I was was offered 130 mil, then 100, then 80 mil (same chica). ...[/QUOTE]JustTK, PigSavinBoy, Mr. Enternational, SteelDH: Thanks one and all for the feedback on pricing at Barra Ejecutiva and other El Centro strip joints, your LOLs notwithstanding. Clearly I was gouged at 250 k, though, as I reported, the chica was a true Diamond-in-the Rough, equivalent to the hottest ladies that I've ever seen at La Isla and Fase II, and it's sometimes hard to argue with Penis Erectus--I was too turned on to easily take a walk, not to mention that the 4 hour viagra meter was due to run out in an hour or so by the time a had arrived there (a mongering hazard for us at the more ancient end of the geezer spectrum). Can't let that major investment in a blue pill go to waste.

Three of you report having paid 80 k at Barra last year (presumably for half an hour) which seems more or less consistent with the 150 k for a full hour that I recall paying last August at Conejitos. One thing that surprises me in a couple of your responses: the implication (if I read you correctly) that at all, or most, strip clubs one has to be prepared to negotiate with the chica for the price of heading to a room together. My experience during visits over the past 4 years to strip clubs here (from the high end ones to the El Centro low), has always been that, one gets a consistent quote (be it for a half hour or an hour) when questioning say a doorman and then double checking his answer with a waiter or cashier--and also that one gets consistent quotes from different chicas as well. And exactly the same rates are quoted if one returns a week or two later. My experience at Barra (of having to negotiate with the chica on the basic "go-to-the-room" rate, as opposed to the BBBJ / DFK extras) was, hopefully, an exception to the rule.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785456]one has to be prepared to negotiate with the chica for the price of heading to a room together. [/QUOTE]For myself, I am not sure its a total free for all when kit comes to prices. Its just that I get the impression the bar man will let the girls gouge the clients for extra money if she can get away with it. When it comes to negotiating the price, I don't think it takes much work. Just a simple: "no! Its 70 mil" usually does the trick.

On another note, I recently met the nephew of the owner / manager of Barra Ejec. I will ask him about the pricing policy next time I see him.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2785239]Jjbee, I just want to thank you for sharing. I admire the courage it took to make that leap. Interesting story. And while you might not be more wealthy after it, you are richer from the experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the vote of confidence. On the financial ladder I had to start back at the bottom rung again. I'm where I was before I made the leap, or a bit higher, but I'm climbing at a faster rate.

Long ago I took a look back at all the mistakes I'd made, the opportunities I missed, the bad decisions and the unlucky breaks. Then I looked at where I was and decided I had no regrets and still have none. Besides, who sits around daydreaming about the year they spent working the same job they've worked for half of their life?

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785456]the implication (if I read you correctly) that at all, or most, strip clubs one has to be prepared to negotiate with the chica for the price of heading to a room together. My experience during visits over the past 4 years to strip clubs here (from the high end ones to the El Centro low), has always been that, one gets a consistent quote (be it for a half hour or an hour) when questioning say a doorman and then double checking his answer with a waiter or cashier--and also that one gets consistent quotes from different chicas as well. And exactly the same rates are quoted if one returns a week or two later. [/QUOTE]I guess depends on the club but I think there is kind of price fixing between the chicas, the minimum below which they all agree not to quote, of which number waiters and doormen are aware as well. If she takes less she might be accused of 'ruining the market for all of us' and end up scratched across the face. Also I found a bit strange when several different chicas in Nueva quoted me exactly 150 mil for 1 h in a hotel (not for takeout at that moment but at some unspecified date in the future outside of working hours), they must've all talked and arrive at this price as the standard, no club involved here. Not sure if the club enforces the session price floor but I don't think so, some $ is better then 0 after all (well, at least in centro).

There isn't definitely a cap on the max price hah. Often on busy nights when they have a lot of potential customers to pick from they do try to quote a bit higher too.

In my experience, other than drink prices and room cost (which club charges chica) it's all up for negotiation though.

The difficult trick is not to appear too thirsty when negotiating, which can be difficult with smoking hot chica, limited time and a hardon (they do often mouse around down there to check the customer' real interest level LOL). Knowing the standard market price helps of course as well.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2785456]JustTK, PigSavinBoy, Mr. Enternational, SteelDH: Three of you report having paid 80 k at Barra last year (presumably for half an hour) which seems more or less consistent with the 150 k for a full hour that I recall paying last August at Conejitos. One thing that surprises me in a couple of your responses: the implication (if I read you correctly) that at all, or most, strip clubs one has to be prepared to negotiate with the chica for the price of heading to a room together. My experience during visits over the past 4 years to strip clubs here (from the high end ones to the El Centro low), has always been that, one gets a consistent quote (be it for a half hour or an hour) when questioning say a doorman and then double checking his answer with a waiter or cashier--and also that one gets consistent quotes from different chicas as well. And exactly the same rates are quoted if one returns a week or two later. My experience at Barra (of having to negotiate with the chica on the basic "go-to-the-room" rate, as opposed to the BBBJ / DFK extras) was, hopefully, an exception to the rule.[/QUOTE]The rate of the guys reported here probably in half hour range. If your rate is 1 HR plus BBBJ and sometime BBFS, then maybe it is justified for 250 mil at barra. Most / majority of girl wants 50 mil and up for BBBJ and other additional services. So assuming 150 mil for an HR at Barra plus 50 mil for BBBJ, besos, etc. , then you are getting close to 250 mil which was what you paid.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2785497]... then you are getting close to 250 mil which was what you paid.[/QUOTE]Unless the bar has pivoted to serve only gringos. It is hard to image that most their local clients can pay that price. This bar is like this since several years ago but it was always in 100 mil range. This is the first time that I heard of over 200 mil.

You can have a part time maid for a full day for 80 mil and that is already not a bad pay. That implies a local man will need to work 3 days to afford to have a session.

[QUOTE=Combo;2785216]Agreed. Close to the river, for example along Avenida Las Vegas near Poblado Station, is much more dangerous than around, say Provenza.[/QUOTE]A reminder. It's from Medellin Expats FB group

Dudes have to look out for themselves. What are guys doing walking in a park on the outskirts of Poblado at 9 pm? You'd barely walk through central park at that time.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2785570]A reminder. It's from Medellin Expats FB group[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;2785579]Dudes have to look out for themselves. What are guys doing walking in a park on the outskirts of Poblado at 9 pm? You'd barely walk through central park at that time.[/QUOTE]Well, when I live in some other countries, I can go anywhere I want. What's wrong with that? It's just a reminder so people can stay safe.

I personally went to that area over the river many times on both bridges. One has a large skate park with some street food until late night. The other also has several street food stalls under the bridge but they are mostly for dinner. I like to walk to explore, and I know I am not the only one. Sex is not my first priority.

That's not the outskirts of anything. But yeah, best to avoid at night for sure.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore0;2785579]Dudes have to look out for themselves. What are guys doing walking in a park on the outskirts of Poblado at 9 pm? You'd barely walk through central park at that time.[/QUOTE]

It's been 2 weeks since my trip to Medellin. When I got back to the USA I was on a little bender, back in the usual strip clubs and seeing the regular below average chicks in my area. Kind of depressing. Is it wrong of me to be missing Colombia and these 2 chicas? God they were so amazing.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2785766]It's been 2 weeks since my trip to Medellin. When I got back to the USA I was on a little bender, back in the usual strip clubs and seeing the regular below average chicks in my area. Kind of depressing. Is it wrong of me to be missing Colombia and these 2 chicas? God they were so amazing.[/QUOTE]I would say it's not wrong but you should probably get your priorities in check and focus more on your goals. I just got back from Colombia about a week ago as well and to be honest ever since I've started the hobby during my travels I really have no interest in it when I'm back in the states. I mostly just focus on work and goals and only go out when I'm out of town. It's worked out great for me but yes I miss Colombia too already, should of stayed longer but I'm already planning to go back in a couple months.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2785766]It's been 2 weeks since my trip to Medellin. When I got back to the USA I was on a little bender, back in the usual strip clubs and seeing the regular below average chicks in my area. Kind of depressing. Is it wrong of me to be missing Colombia and these 2 chicas? God they were so amazing.[/QUOTE]It is definitely a different experience and you find yourself missing it as soon as you are on that plane. I am still here on vacation and I just had a wonderful experience with a sexy 19 year old girl. I would miss her except that I have another girl coming in 4 hours.

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[QUOTE=MoonShot;2785811]It is definitely a different experience and you find yourself missing it as soon as you are on that plane. I am still here on vacation and I just had a wonderful experience with a sexy 19 year old girl. I would miss her except that I have another girl coming in 4 hours.[/QUOTE]The last girl I hooked up with was also 19 to my surprise, I thought she was older but it was a facebook meet up last minute so I didn't really talk to her much before I hit her up to meet me up in provenza, I just messaged her I would give her 250 k for dinner and sex after, didn't care if she would accept or not and didn't even think she was going to show but she did. To be honest it wasn't really my cup of tea. She was cute, nice slim figure, soft skin, about 5'7 I would rate a 7-8, but I prefer 24-29 age range. She was a bit shy but liked my physique when I took my shirt off. So she got into it and she was nice in bed and got super wet like I remember 19 yr olds getting. I'm mid 30's idk how some of you older guys are comfortable with 19 yr olds but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2785881]The last girl I hooked up with was also 19 to my surprise, I thought she was older but it was a facebook meet up last minute so I didn't really talk to her much before I hit her up to meet me up in provenza, I just messaged her I would give her 250 k for dinner and sex after, didn't care if she would accept or not and didn't even think she was going to show but she did. To be honest it wasn't really my cup of tea. She was cute, nice slim figure, soft skin, about 5'7 I would rate a 7-8, but I prefer 24-29 age range. She was a bit shy but liked my physique when I took my shirt off. So she got into it and she was nice in bed and got super wet like I remember 19 yr olds getting. I'm mid 30's idk how some of you older guys are comfortable with 19 yr olds but to each his own.[/QUOTE]It takes years of practice for old men to feel comfortable with women young enough to be their granddaughters. Jajaja. I'm now in my late 50's and I'm quite at ease with girls who are 18 to 19 years old and it feels quite normal. This also makes the girls feel at ease. These girls are not looking for a boyfriends, they are looking to make some extra money and old guys have money.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2785570]A reminder. It's from Medellin Expats FB group[/QUOTE]I used to live right above that park. I was sharing an apartment with two friends. One night one of them was robbed by two guys with knifes so we became very careful on when we can walk through the park. It is not too bad during the day because there are light foot traffic and locals hangout in the park. After dark, avoid at all cost.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2785897]It takes years of practice for old men to feel comfortable with women young enough to be their granddaughters. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]I usually sit them on my knee and offer them some chocolate if they come back to do their homework in my apartment.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2785803]I would say it's not wrong but you should probably get your priorities in check and focus more on your goals. I just got back from Colombia about a week ago as well and to be honest ever since I've started the hobby during my travels I really have no interest in it when I'm back in the states. I mostly just focus on work and goals and only go out when I'm out of town. It's worked out great for me but yes I miss Colombia too already, should of stayed longer but I'm already planning to go back in a couple months.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not going to say I've totally made it, but I'm in my late 40's and I've done pretty well the past 5-6 years. Well enough I could potentially retire in 4-5 more years if I really want to. But I run my own business so I'd probably be bored if I did retire and will just keep it rolling. Anyway I was half joking, I do miss Colombia and definitely those 2 were fucking incredible, but I also know that the chances I'll ever see them again are slim and none. Love that I found this forum tho. Helps me live vicariously thru my fellow, so keep posting those reports!

I walked the streets North of Poblado, past parks with homeless people living among the shrubs. The stench of human waste was horrible. They were calling out to me to give them money. I sped up and got to the business street with stores.

Crime risks are just about everywhere in Medellin, even in crowded areas in daytime. The crowd would unlikely assist victims. An UBER driver drove me around El Centro at night to see the reality of extreme poverty, said even policias are afraid to go there at night. Even in the day time it was hard to grab a taxi or Uber from El Centro. Areas surrounding Botero Plaza are bustling with shops, restaurants vendor and shoppers, but are completely pitch black like hell after dark, all businesses locked up, noone walking the streets, only filthy homeless people scurrying around in the dark like rats. A couple streets near Plaza Botero were pitch black, filled with huge piles of garbage, people currying around, sorting through them. There were no cars, no traffic in El Centro after dark.

OTOH areas South near Santa Fe mall was very nice, clean, green, classy. I walked up and down Ave Poblado at night many times, beautiful boulevard, very few pedestrians, lots of cars, did not feel threatened Also took a long walk from Santa Fe Mall to Parque Lleras in day time. Streets and nice homes were beautifully landscaped with large varieties of lush green tropical plants, nice, clean, green, quiet, classy neighborhoods. I could live there with hot Colombianas, having passionate sex in that verdant tropical jungle.

BTW the fancy Andres Carne de Rez steak house on Ave Poblado is huge, very nice, but the rib eyes and Tbone were dry and tough, I could not through with a steak knife or chew through it, had to abandon after a couple bites. Same problem with the other famous steakhouses in El Centro, bland and very tough steaks. Looks like they butcher very old, worn out bovines. Went to the Italian chain restaurant inside Santa Fe mall, got really juicy, tender rib eyes.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2785897]It takes years of practice for old men to feel comfortable with women young enough to be their granddaughters. Jajaja. I'm now in my late 50's and I'm quite at ease with girls who are 18 to 19 years old and it feels quite normal. This also makes the girls feel at ease. These girls are not looking for a boyfriends, they are looking to make some extra money and old guys have money.[/QUOTE]Naw. It just takes years of practice to become old.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2786078]Crime risks are just about everywhere in Medellin, even in crowded areas in daytime. The crowd would unlikely assist victims. An UBER driver drove me around El Centro at night to see the reality of extreme poverty, said even policias are afraid to go there at night. Even in the day time it was hard to grab a taxi or Uber from El Centro. Areas surrounding Botero Plaza are bustling with shops, restaurants vendor and shoppers, but are completely pitch black like hell after dark, all businesses locked up, noone walking the streets, only filthy homeless people scurrying around in the dark like rats. A couple streets near Plaza Botero were pitch black, filled with huge piles of garbage, people currying around, sorting through them. There were no cars, no traffic in El Centro after dark.

OTOH areas South near Santa Fe mall was very nice, clean, green, classy. I walked up and down Ave Poblado at night many times, beautiful boulevard, very few pedestrians, lots of cars, did not feel threatened Also took a long walk from Santa Fe Mall to Parque Lleras in day time. Streets and nice homes were beautifully landscaped with large varieties of lush green tropical plants, nice, clean, green, quiet, classy neighborhoods. I could live there with hot Colombianas, having passionate sex in that verdant tropical jungle.

BTW the fancy Andres Carne de Rez steak house on Ave Poblado is huge, very nice, but the rib eyes and Tbone were dry and tough, I could not through with a steak knife or chew through it, had to abandon after a couple bites. Same problem with the other famous steakhouses in El Centro, bland and very tough steaks. Looks like they butcher very old, worn out bovines. Went to the Italian chain restaurant inside Santa Fe mall, got really juicy, tender rib eyes.[/QUOTE]Didn't get to venture in el centro not even during the day to see what it was like. Only drove past it on the way to comuna 13 your.

Andres de res isn't really fancy. Took a hot date there on a Saturday night. Good entertainment dinner and show but the steak wasn't that good like you said. Drinks were ok.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2786078]

BTW the fancy Andres Carne de Rez steak house on Ave Poblado is huge, very nice, but the rib eyes and Tbone were dry and tough, I could not through with a steak knife or chew through it, had to abandon after a couple bites. Same problem with the other famous steakhouses in El Centro, bland and very tough steaks. Looks like they butcher very old, worn out bovines. Went to the Italian chain restaurant inside Santa Fe mall, got really juicy, tender rib eyes.[/QUOTE]For whatever reason, yeah, the steaks in Colombia are tough. I am not sure if they tenderize them enough or what. I went to a place last night and finally had one that was not tough.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2786078]I walked the streets North of Poblado, past parks with homeless people living among the shrubs. The stench of human waste was horrible. They were calling out to me to give them money.
[/QUOTE]Next time ur sat in a nice restaurant, discomforted by the poverty, I hope you pause before your next mouthful to consider why it is this way. Capitalism. Its baked in to the system.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2785897]It takes years of practice for old men to feel comfortable with women young enough to be their granddaughters. Jajaja. I'm now in my late 50's and I'm quite at ease with girls who are 18 to 19 years old and it feels quite normal. This also makes the girls feel at ease. These girls are not looking for a boyfriends, they are looking to make some extra money and old guys have money.[/QUOTE]Also we tend to be calmer, LOL prolly only be one shot and generally less prone to assholery. If they are in it for the money they are fine with it. That being said I like them a little older because they tend to be better lovers but what can I say. Sometimes there's no substitute for hot young and tight.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786199]Next time ur sat in a nice restaurant, discomforted by the poverty, I hope you pause before your next mouthful to consider why it is this way. Capitalism. Its baked in to the system.[/QUOTE]As if you are out there passing out food to the same people he is referring to. What a clown post.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2785897]It takes years of practice for old men to feel comfortable with women young enough to be their granddaughters. Jajaja. I'm now in my late 50's and I'm quite at ease with girls who are 18 to 19 years old and it feels quite normal. This also makes the girls feel at ease. These girls are not looking for a boyfriends, they are looking to make some extra money and old guys have money.[/QUOTE]Curious to know why does it take years of practice to feel comfortable with young women?

I would think it just takes money, the more the better.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786199]Next time ur sat in a nice restaurant, discomforted by the poverty, I hope you pause before your next mouthful to consider why it is this way. Capitalism. Its baked in to the system.[/QUOTE]You got a problem with meritocracy?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2786241]Curious to know why does it take years of practice to feel comfortable with young women?

I would think it just takes money, the more the better.[/QUOTE]It is not normal in Western society for men in their upper 50's and above to be with young women 18-20 years old and most developed countries see this as sick and disgusting. A number of these men have grandchildren of that age. So there is sometimes discomfort being with women so young relative to their age. Also there is generational differences so that an older man is unable to relate to such a young woman.

But actually it was meant as a joke. .

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786184]For whatever reason, yeah, the steaks in Colombia are tough. I am not sure if they tenderize them enough or what. I went to a place last night and finally had one that was not tough.[/QUOTE]There is one restaurant in Buenas Aires cut steak with spoon.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2785881]The last girl I hooked up with was also 19 to my surprise, I thought she was older but it was a facebook meet up last minute so I didn't really talk to her much before I hit her up to meet me up in provenza, I just messaged her I would give her 250 k for dinner and sex after, didn't care if she would accept or not and didn't even think she was going to show but she did. To be honest it wasn't really my cup of tea. She was cute, nice slim figure, soft skin, about 5'7 I would rate a 7-8, but I prefer 24-29 age range. She was a bit shy but liked my physique when I took my shirt off. So she got into it and she was nice in bed and got super wet like I remember 19 yr olds getting. I'm mid 30's idk how some of you older guys are comfortable with 19 yr olds but to each his own.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Brazil I went to a smaller terma for the first time. I see this sexy girl in her bikini with no client. She just turned 18. It's times like this I remind myself how much I love the hobby. Anyway we went to the room and she could Deepthroat and do anal. She was already a pro at 18. I was 30 years older than her.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2786227]As if you are out there passing out food to the same people he is referring to. What a clown post.[/QUOTE]Black and white fallacy. The clown unfortunately is your post.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2786296]You got a problem with meritocracy?[/QUOTE]NP w meritcracy. Just have a problem with exploitation and prejudice. We don't live in a meritocracy. We live in a world of favourtiism and cronyism.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2785897]It takes years of practice for old men to feel comfortable with women young enough to be their granddaughters. Jajaja. I'm now in my late 50's and I'm quite at ease with girls who are 18 to 19 years old and it feels quite normal. This also makes the girls feel at ease. These girls are not looking for a boyfriends, they are looking to make some extra money and old guys have money.[/QUOTE]Old men who feel uncomfortable with women young enough to be their grand daughters worry about what others think. I am in my late sixties and fortunately I do not fall into that category and would not have such a problem when I get old.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2786078] policias are afraid to go there at nigh.[/QUOTE]Plenty of police en el centro day and night. Don't go alone at night if you look obvious gringo. I went with a colombian friend plenty of times, no issues.

Cheap and very tender steaks at Las Pampas, is a chain but very good steak.

Unfortunately BS As is kind of far from Colombia.

Your pic shows a rib eye roast. Mr. Pampas in Tijuana would push around a cart with a huge rib eye roast with a big fat cap. It's so tender you can cut it with a spoon.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2786426]Plenty of police en el centro day and night..[/QUOTE]The whole plaza area is now fenced off and one must pass thru one of 3 police checkpoints to enter. Its an initiiative to clear the disorder from one of the main tousit centres of MDE.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2786302]It is not normal in Western society for men in their upper 50's and above to be with young women 18-20 years old and most developed countries see this as sick and disgusting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2786335]Last time I was in Brazil I went to a smaller terma for the first time. I see this sexy girl in her bikini with no client. She just turned 18. It's times like this I remind myself how much I love the hobby. [/QUOTE]Regardless, it is still an arbitrary number. Saying you like chicks at the minimum limit set by a particular community is like Chris Rock said, if they would let me go lower, then I would. The number in my state is 2 years less than that, but I am not up at the school behind the trees rubbing my hands and waiting for somebody to turn that age. Not my thing at all; has nothing to do with western society.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2786335]Last time I was in Brazil I went to a smaller terma for the first time. I see this sexy girl in her bikini with no client. She just turned 18. It's times like this I remind myself how much I love the hobby. Anyway we went to the room and she could Deepthroat and do anal. She was already a pro at 18. I was 30 years older than her.[/QUOTE]Tell me more about these termas, I'm thinking about a Brazil trip in the near future. I.

When I see the word terma I think a club, kind of dark inside, or like a sauna with plenty of thick big butt Brazilians who love anal. Is that accurate or I'm I way off?

Yes, well we've seen most of this movie before. What is different this time is in addition to yet another temporary (as they all have been) security barrier the police are banning motorcycles, roving vendors, and high speed bicycle riding. All things that made visiting the plaza annoying and dangerous for tourists. Also restricted to areas outside the barrier are street girls. They are still accessible to us but not within the temporary barrier. I describe the barrier as temporary because of the history of these political stunts of Mayor Quintero. Most recently, the 6-foot plus high fence with concrete anchors he had erected was gradually dismantled by the night crawlers and sold as scrap in Prado. This latest barrier is much less sturdy and and much more portable. It is buttressed by plastic wrap. Just today a saw a guy slip through a fresh gap in the barrier. A policewoman who was keeping watch over that section between controlled entry points yelled at him to come back and go through the checkpoint entrance. He ignored her and dialed a call on his mobile phone. I'm not sure whether he was pretending not to hear her. She ran over to him in front of the church and tapped him on the shoulder. After a short conversation she sent him on his way. I can't believe any reasonable person thinks this latest barrier will last even as long as the last one. One of the many older Colombian guys who hang around the plaza told me Quintero was due to make an appearance in the plaza today. Sure enough, when I checked my Twitter feed, there he was tweeting about "recovering" the plaza. His tweet included photos of the checkpoints and a confiscated butcher knife. Quintero likely felt pressure after a Dominican politician who visited Botero Plaza with her family during her Christmas vacation was robbed. As other Centro rats know, most of the girls did not work within the now closed off area. Now that those who used to have to join all the others around and behind the church it only makes them easier to engage.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2786450]The whole plaza area is now fenced off and one must pass thru one of 3 police checkpoints to enter. Its an initiiative to clear the disorder from one of the main tousit centres of MDE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2786241]Curious to know why does it take years of practice to feel comfortable with young women?

I would think it just takes money, the more the better.[/QUOTE]It depends on your location.

An old man with a young woman will be stared at, despised, scorned, and scoffed at in public in a developed country. It's also harder to find younger women willing to date older men and if you do find one it would be more expensive (compared to developing countries). You would have to be comfortable with the new negative attention.

But an old man with a young woman won't even raise a single eyebrow in a developing country. You can find them a dime a dozen and they're affordable. I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this old guy had not one, but two, beautiful women with him and it reminded me how awesome this hobby was.

1. Parque Lleras is still closed. It has already been a year. At the slow rate of progress, it looked to me like they were at least two months from finish. That wold mean April.

2. Since the park is closed, most of the girls were on Calle 10.

3. The majority of the girls around LLeras were Venezuelan.

4. I stayed one night in Hotel Dix. It allowed Columbian visitors, but not Venezuelan visitors (unless they had Columbian identification).

5. Every girl asked for tres cientos mill (300,0000) and settled quick and easy for dos cientos mil (200,000).

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2786462]Tell me more about these termas, I'm thinking about a Brazil trip in the near future. I.

When I see the word terma I think a club, kind of dark inside, or like a sauna with plenty of thick big butt Brazilians who love anal. Is that accurate or I'm I way off?[/QUOTE]This particular terma was called MV 30. It's a seedier place not as high end as the top 3 but not awful by any means. I was shocked to see this chick with no client. You could bounce a feather off her ass. I lost her number for next trip. I'll see if she is there when I go back.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2786519]It depends on your location.

An old man with a young woman will be stared at, despised, scorned, and scoffed at in public in a developed country. It's also harder to find younger women willing to date older men and if you do find one it would be more expensive (compared to developing countries). You would have to be comfortable with the new negative attention.

But an old man with a young woman won't even raise a single eyebrow in a developing country. You can find them a dime a dozen and they're affordable. I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this old guy had not one, but two, beautiful women with him and it reminded me how awesome this hobby was.[/QUOTE]I went to 24 hour fitness to swim today and they had a couple older chicks in there. I wanted to puke. I can't be with old women. 18 to 29 for life.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2786519]
An old man with a young woman will be stared at, despised, scorned, and scoffed at in public in a developed country.[/QUOTE]I am guessing you have never been to France.

Or Geneva.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2786611]I am guessing you have never been to France.[/QUOTE]

Planning a month long trip to Medellin and I'm interested in high end Casas that cater more to locals with money.

I'm fully fluent in Spanish and really curious about one particular place that supposedly operates almost like a Brazilian Steak house? LOL. Supposedly you are seated in a nice restaurant type venue where the talent arrive one by only a a robe for them to show you all their goods before the next one comes in. I keep hearing there are several discreet venues like this in Medallo. Any one know of such places?

I'd appreciate any info or PMs.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2786485] As other Centro rats know, most of the girls did not work within the now closed off area. Now that those who used to have to join all the others around and behind the church it only makes them easier to engage.[/QUOTE]Yesterday they were all packed togheter down at the intersation but the less skanky manage to pass the barrier.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2786801]Lololol balls of steel to walk around the states with a chick 40 years younger than you. God bless you.[/QUOTE]Why? There's no law against walking around with a girl 20 years younger. Worst case scenario someone makes a rude comment, although that's unlikely. Nasty looks just get a big smile and "have a great day. ".

[QUOTE=Nyc718;2786707]Planning a month long trip to Medellin and I'm interested in high end Casas that cater more to locals with money.

I'm fully fluent in Spanish and really curious about one particular place that supposedly operates almost like a Brazilian Steak house? LOL. Supposedly you are seated in a nice restaurant type venue where the talent arrive one by only a a robe for them to show you all their goods before the next one comes in. I keep hearing there are several discreet venues like this in Medallo. Any one know of such places?

I'd appreciate any info or PMs.[/QUOTE]In Medellin, yep. Energy / Fantasias is in a classic old house, and your description fits how they do it. The chicas introduce themselves, each has a number on their robe. And at the end you make your choice. It is run like a casa, but a higher price point than the centro casas. Located in Estadio area.

[QUOTE=Nyc718;2786707]High end mansions and casas in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Loutron, it's higher price than average but I won't call it high end.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2786903]How difficult was it to get a visa for your girl?

My Thai GF is 26. I'm 60 but look 50. I live in the US.[/QUOTE]What do you mean difficult to get a visa? What is the difficulty in it? You fill out the application and pay the money and turn in the required paperwork at the interview and they tell you yes or no. Either you qualify and are approved or you are not qualified and denied.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2786078]
BTW the fancy Andres Carne de Rez steak house on Ave Poblado is huge, very nice, but the rib eyes and Tbone were dry and tough, I could not through with a steak knife or chew through it, had to abandon after a couple bites. Same problem with the other famous steakhouses in El Centro, bland and very tough steaks. Looks like they butcher very old, worn out bovines. Went to the Italian chain restaurant inside Santa Fe mall, got really juicy, tender rib eyes.[/QUOTE]Andres sucks. I've had plenty of steaks in Medellin and none of them are like the shoe leather you'll get at Andres.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787015]Have you seen a 20 yr guy making out with a 60 yr old woman in public? Thank god, I haven't, because it would be disgusting to see (but totally legal). This is no different from a young girl who graduated high school just a couple of years ago making out with a grandpa in public.[/QUOTE]60 yo woman is not fertile anymore so it's unnatural and pointless. 60 yo man + 20 yo woman are both fertile (presumably) so nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2786903]How difficult was it to get a visa for your girl?

My Thai GF is 26. I'm 60 but look 50. I live in the US.[/QUOTE]It wasn't difficult at all. She already had her visa. The current waiting list to get an appointment to get a tourist visa at the US Embassy in Bogota is close to 2 years.

[QUOTE=Eclectic;2786534]1. Parque Lleras is still closed. It has already been a year. At the slow rate of progress, it looked to me like they were at least two months from finish. That wold mean April.

2. Since the park is closed, most of the girls were on Calle 10.

3. The majority of the girls around LLeras were Venezuelan.

4. I stayed one night in Hotel Dix. It allowed Columbian visitors, but not Venezuelan visitors (unless they had Columbian identification).

5. Every girl asked for tres cientos mill (300,0000) and settled quick and easy for dos cientos mil (200,000).[/QUOTE]Let's make sure everyone understands the park is being remodeled yes! But everything around is open and girls all around etc. It's not closed!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2786553]You would think so, but that was not my experience.

Last summer my Colombian girlfriend came to the US to visit me, right in the Bible belt. The first time was for 5 days, the second time she stayed for 7 weeks.

We stayed in hotels together, went to a theme park, a baseball game and other tourist attractions. Went to malls, stores and restaurants, even to my favorite small town diner. I introduced her to most of my family and even my landlady, who has a daughter the same age. The only bad look we got was from a Walmart greeter. Granted, 1 of my sisters refused to answer the door when we showed up, but she's a hardcore racist. Everyone else treated us just fine. A few older women even made a point of saying how beautiful she was.

I'm 60 and she's 20.

However, I'm completely comfortable with it. If I was worried what others would think it might have changed the way others reacted to us.[/QUOTE]In the America that I know, which is big cities, it would attract a lot of attention and a lot of scorn and negative comments. It is not a normal age gap for America and it does attract a lot of disgust. It also attracts a large number of young fit men with game gravitating towards your girl and trying to hit on her. I always thought that the Bible belt cities were even more judgmental but perhaps I am wrong. If that is the reaction in your city and she is still with you all the more power to you bro. To get a visitor visa for your girl to visit the United States is even more impressive if true.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2786184]For whatever reason, yeah, the steaks in Colombia are tough. I am not sure if they tenderize them enough or what. I went to a place last night and finally had one that was not tough.[/QUOTE]I think what is happening because I have had friends with same experiences is it's the type you are choosing. At Andres you order the Llomo el trapo! It's amazing and better than most I get in the USA. (Stipulation I live in the Midwest but don't buy $100 steaks either) but my friends ordered the tomahawk and they ended up moving my steak! I have been to other steak places here and imo wasn't as good. So I think it's all opinions but try that out. Ask locals what they think or what's the best.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2786801]Lololol balls of steel to walk around the states with a chick 40 years younger than you. God bless you.[/QUOTE]In the States its all about envy and jealousy. The men give angry looks because they are married to whales while the women are irked because they feel you should date women closer to your own age....like them.

Don Diablo has a good reputation.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2786989]Andres sucks. I've had plenty of steaks in Medellin and none of them are like the shoe leather you'll get at Andres.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2786919]Why? There's no law against walking around with a girl 20 years younger. Worst case scenario someone makes a rude comment, although that's unlikely. Nasty looks just get a big smile and "have a great day. ".[/QUOTE]You said 40 years, not 20. Even 20 is kinda pushing it for USA. Going out in public and balling out with a chick who is 40 years younger than you is awesome and I love reading it and would get a kick out of seeing it, but it would really irk the hell out of everyone who sees you two show affection in public. I am sure you would get the death looks and whispers of "grooming" and "sugar daddy". Like you state though, I am sure you could care less about that shit with a hot young thing on your arm.

#1 Rule of monger-life. There is what a man can do, and a man can't do.

Thank god a man with cash can always find some good looking female company, no matter his age.

Right on Bro.

I know quite a few girls that prefer the older guys to the young bucks for quite a few reasons. What it comes down to is communication, attitude, maturity and respect. My Girfriends either really enjoy their time with me if not they should be in line for an Oscar. Being in my 60's I have been known to play around with all ages (I do not like to descriminate although women 25-35 years old seem to be the sweetspot for me). Yeah, I know they are with me for my money and I am paying them for their services but we all are having a good time. The same thing that goes for the guys in their 30's they are with you for the money too so don't think your special.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2786553]You would think so, but that was not my experience.

Last summer my Colombian girlfriend came to the US to visit me, right in the Bible belt. The first time was for 5 days, the second time she stayed for 7 weeks.

We stayed in hotels together, went to a theme park, a baseball game and other tourist attractions. Went to malls, stores and restaurants, even to my favorite small town diner. I introduced her to most of my family and even my landlady, who has a daughter the same age. The only bad look we got was from a Walmart greeter. Granted, 1 of my sisters refused to answer the door when we showed up, but she's a hardcore racist. Everyone else treated us just fine. A few older women even made a point of saying how beautiful she was.

I'm 60 and she's 20.

However, I'm completely comfortable with it. If I was worried what others would think it might have changed the way others reacted to us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787076]Right on Bro.

I know quite a few girls that prefer the older guys to the young bucks for quite a few reasons. What it comes down to is communication, attitude, maturity and respect. My Girfriends either really enjoy their time with me if not they should be in line for an Oscar. Being in my 60's I have been known to play around with all ages (I do not like to descriminate although women 25-35 years old seem to be the sweetspot for me). Yeah, I know they are with me for my money and I am paying them for their services but we all are having a good time. The same thing that goes for the guys in their 30's they are with you for the money too so don't think your special.[/QUOTE]They don't love the older guys per se, they like the money that older guys have. Stop paying and see how long your "relationship" will last.

Up to 12-15 yr age gap is acceptable, because you are technically, the same generation. 20-25 yr gap, or 40 yr gap is too wide.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2787064]In the States its all about envy and jealousy. The men give angry looks because they are married to whales while the women are irked because they feel you should date women closer to your own age....like them.[/QUOTE]It's not just about jealousy or envy, but pure anger as well. Several years ago a woman told me that I was somebody who she saw as being with younger women, and that pissed her off to no end. I didn't even really "know" this woman as she was more of an acquaintance. At the time we were thinking about "getting to know each other better", but it never happened. The thing is that I'm not sexually attracted to most women my age (not all but most), and I suppose this can be said to be one of the negative "side effects" of mongering. I've never "adjusted" to being with women in my age cohort. And at this point in time, I don't ever intend to. I'll just keep fucking what I like to fuck until for whatever reason I can't anymore, and then I'll just stop fucking. Young, pretty blondes (brunettes and redheads too) forever: [URL]https://quatroporquatroclass.com.br/us/perfil/vitoria[/URL]!

[QUOTE=BeckyG]
What does a few extra years matter?
I like them older
The kind they call senor [/QUOTE]Mayores by Becky G.

Been to this place today and have a very bad experience, they are money grabbers specially scamming foreigners, I took a girl there, first of all her butt we smelling pop and it turns me off immediately I kindly ask her to take shower, secondly when I try to touch her boobs she say no as even touching them heart her and I was thinking how I can have sex with her without touching boobs then I try to touch her body and she again say no as she feel tickles when I do it, I was pissed off at that time lastly I try to kiss her on face and she again say no I don't like it, her attitude was as she was not interested in sex at all and just killing time, how someone can have sex without touching body, boobs and kissing? My mode was off till that time but the last thing she does which completely make me mad was after 30 minutes she start telling me time is over, I have actually taken a screenshot when I enter the room and showed her its only 30 min first she don't accept but when I insist she agree to stay more but I myself left room in 40 minutes because it was pure torture, I go downstairs and tell the manager all the story and the response of the manager was we will not refund you, I say wait a minute when I ask for a refund, instead of asking the girl what the issue is and saying sorry you are telling me no refund.

So guys' there money hungry moron are there just to grab your money, their conversation start with money and end on money, we go these to relax and a couple of dollars are not a big deal but the mindset of the people at this place is criminal.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787079]They don't love the older guys per se, they like the money that older guys have. Stop paying and see how long your "relationship" will last.

Up to 12-15 yr age gap is acceptable, because you are technically, the same generation. 20-25 yr gap, or 40 yr gap is too wide.[/QUOTE]The last chick I hooked with on my trip to my surprise was 19 years old, I'm 35 and even at my age I low key felt uncomfortable walking around with her in provenza, like I said I don't know how guys in their 50's and 60's are comfortable with that, I would assume most people might think they are walking around with their grand daughter.

I actually felt a little embarrassed and shame with the security guys at my airbnb when I had to tell her to display her cedula to them. Had I known her age prior to meeting up I would of gone with someone older, at the very least 21, But I said fuck it, it was my last day and she was a sweet girl. I guess I don't like feeling like a pedophile. Not my thing.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787079]20-25 yr gap, or 40 yr gap is too wide.[/QUOTE]Too wide for what? Too wide for both parties to have a good time?

MB, why are you the "Acceptable Police" ? I am 62 and have a regular in Bogota that is 32, have known her 5 years. We are comfortable together, she usually stays with me for 2-3 days. Do normal things that normal people do. Go to eat, movies, concerts, tourist stuff, run errands, watch TV, etc. Of course she wouldn't be there without money, but its good for both of us. To each their own.

While I still see prepagos and semi-pros on occasion, I am now more likely to see chicas who just enjoy the company. Food, jacuzzi, safe environment, good treatment in and outside of bed. I currently have a GF who is 18. I am 57. We connect in some ways, but certainly not others (some generational, some cultural). But we enjoy our time together. She asks nothing of me, although I did buy her a nice shirt for Christmas! Her parents know about me and are fine with it, because they know I respect and take care of her. And she is not the first girl I've been with whose parents were totally fine with it and actually were happy she was not with a guy who was going to abuse her or knock her up or treat her like dirt.

I am not saying every girls prefers an older guy and I'm not saying all parents would be accepting, but it does happen.

Obviously I have no illusions of marrying her and bringing her to the USA. That's not going to happen with any chica. But we are enjoying the time now and not worrying about the future.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787015]
Don't get me wrong, I like them young and fresh too, but I'm being realistic and would never call a girl that I'm fucking and who could be my granddaughter, a "girlfriend".

Her parents are probably in their early 40's. If i was her dad, i would never let her date a 60 yr old fart from the US no matter how much money he has, simply because this is fucked up.[/QUOTE]

So this morning I went down to Centro and had an excellent mid day session with a cute 23 year old vennie at botero real. Anyways I got some pics of the new barrier that was put up last week.

I heard it's only going to be temporary though and had something to do with a new paro nacional (protest) that is going to be happening soon.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787105]Too wide for what? Too wide for both parties to have a good time?[/QUOTE]Too wide to have a real, long lasting relationship.

BTW, how do you know if both parties are having fun? Keep in mind that one party pays, and the other party gets paid. Would the party that gets paid have fun for free?

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2787117] Her parents know about me and are fine with it, because they know I respect and take care of her. And she is not the first girl I've been with whose parents were totally fine with it and actually were happy she was not with a guy who was going to abuse her or knock her up or treat her like dirt.
[/QUOTE]Do they also know you see prepagos?

The real question you got to ask is, I don't know if you have a daughter or not but if you do or did, would you be OK with your 18-25 yr old daughter dating someone as old as 50-60 yrs or even just older than you?

If you would be ok with it idk about you but I would seriously seek a psychiatric evaluation for myself and said daughter ASAP.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2787045] To get a visitor visa for your girl to visit the United States is even more impressive if true.[/QUOTE]Is it really that hard to get a visitor visa to the us? I don't really know, I've only read if your a student it's not that hard. I always thought it would be more impressive to get a visa to places like Cuba.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2787045]In the America that I know, which is big cities, it would attract a lot of attention and a lot of scorn and negative comments. It is not a normal age gap for America and it does attract a lot of disgust. It also attracts a large number of young fit men with game gravitating towards your girl and trying to hit on her. I always thought that the Bible belt cities were even more judgmental but perhaps I am wrong. If that is the reaction in your city and she is still with you all the more power to you bro. To get a visitor visa for your girl to visit the United States is even more impressive if true.[/QUOTE]Does Chicago count as a big city? Downtown. Millenium Park. Willis Tower. The big Apple Store? I've previously posted 1 or 2 pictures undoubtedly taken on the observation deck of Willis Tower (formerly Sears Tower), so I'm pretty sure it's true that she has a visa (B1/ B2 if it matters). Attached is a screen shot from a video when we ate at Giordano's on Randolph Street. Notice the lack of disgust, scorn, negative comments or even attention.

It didn't attract a lot of attention, scorn, disgust, or negative comments. As I stated, just one judgemental loom. It also didn't attract any fit, young men gravitating towards her and trying to hit on her, not even when we spent the day at the water park at Kings Island in Cincinnati (which was the reason for the visit to the Chicago Apple Store). However, if she had worn the bikini she brought with her, something I bought her from Wicked Weasel, we would have attracted a lot of attention. Fortunately, I was able to buy something at the park more appropriate for the Midwest. That's not saying that she didn't get looked at and even stared at a few times, but that's pretty common with a beautiful woman in a bikini.

What you wrote is based on what you think would happen and reflects your opinion towards the whole old man, young woman scenario. What I've written is what I actually experienced and I believe my positive experience is a reflection of my acceptance that the age difference is irrelevant.

There's always the risk of some Karen going on a rant, but I've been through that before. I know how to make them look silly, and it would be worth some nice cash once the video went viral.

If you want, this summer (after her semester is over), I'll let you fly her and I to New York, LOS Angeles, or whichever big US city you want, and you can follow us around and see how people react. You can even try your game and try to hit on her.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2787075]You said 40 years, not 20. Even 20 is kinda pushing it for USA. Going out in public and balling out with a chick who is 40 years younger than you is awesome and I love reading it and would get a kick out of seeing it, but it would really irk the hell out of everyone who sees you two show affection in public. I am sure you would get the death looks and whispers of "grooming" and "sugar daddy". Like you state though, I am sure you could care less about that shit with a hot young thing on your arm.

#1 Rule of monger-life. There is what a man can do, and a man can't do.

Thank god a man with cash can always find some good looking female company, no matter his age.[/QUOTE]Sorry my brain was thinking 20 years old while my finger was typing 40 years younger and the result was "20 years younger. " Blame it on the 60 year old brain.

And who's balling out? We went places, did things as a couple, but we weren't giving each other tonsil massages in public, except at the airport. Although there was one night in the car, driving around, plus things got heated on the long road trips. In public we behave like a typical couple, same in Medellin.

To me, attitude is important. I see guys asking about "the walk of shame", bringing a girl to your hotel, or going into a red light business. I don't feel that way. Whatever I'm doing, it's completely normal and natural. People don't notice anything unusual because I'm not acting like I'm doing anything unusual.

The same approach, in my opinion, helps to avoid problems in places like El Centro. If you're walking around seeing criminals and druggies and danger everywhere, people will notice. When I walk around, I see just normal people doing normal things in a normal place and I'm just another face in the crowd.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787145]Too wide to have a real, long lasting relationship.

BTW, how do you know if both parties are having fun? Keep in mind that one party pays, and the other party gets paid. Would the party that gets paid have fun for free?[/QUOTE]What is a real relationship? How long is "long lasting?" When does a relationship begin and end? And who gets to define those things? I would think those questions can only be answered by the people involved. Can you show me how your judgement on these things is superior to mine and hers?

BTW, how do you know both parties aren't having fun? In my case, I know both parties. You know neither. Neither party is getting paid, although one party does pay and provides things the other can't afford (like extended trips to the US).

How do you know if the person you've spent time with enjoyed the time together? What do you base it on? One good indicator is the "call back. " That's a comedy term. When a comedian tells a joke and then later on says something to connect the current joke to the previous one, that's a call back. It only works if the audience enjoyed the first joke.

If you do something with someone and they bring it up, in a positive way, at a later date, chances are they enjoyed it. A call back. Over Christmas I had a chance to hang out with her family, and they questioned us both about her time in the US. Based on the things she mentioned and her reaction and response to the things I mentioned, I'd say she had fun. Of course that's only based upon actual experience with the parties involved and doesn't use the more reliable method of just making shit up to align with your prejudices.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2787064]In the States its all about envy and jealousy. The men give angry looks because they are married to whales while the women are irked because they feel you should date women closer to your own age....like them.[/QUOTE]I wish we could give likes on ISG.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787079]They don't love the older guys per se, they like the money that older guys have. Stop paying and see how long your "relationship" will last.

Up to 12-15 yr age gap is acceptable, because you are technically, the same generation. 20-25 yr gap, or 40 yr gap is too wide.[/QUOTE]Stop paying with a 12-15 year age gap and see what happens. Stop paying with a 3 day age gap and see what happens.

When you're traveling to another country and paying a girl, as you've said, $100 or more, to spend time with you, the age gap isn't an issue. It works the same with my job. If they decide to stop paying me, how much longer do you think I'll keep coming to work? My name's not Milton.

Maybe someone else did, but I've never said anything about "love. " I care less about love than I care about the world knitting championship. Just like "love", I don't know if there is a world knitting championship. There's lust, self-preservation and self-gratification. There's even preservation of the species. When you take all those things out, where is the love?

Worrying about "love" is a quick way to fuck up a good thing. You see it all the time. Two people go out, they have fun, they fuck, they repeat, until one or both decide they're "in love. " They stop going out, they stop having fun and eventually they stop fucking and then it all goes to shit, because they confused fun with love and decided that some form of ownership was required. Worse, when it all falls apart, they usually decide they hate each other, which spreads amongst their friends because everyone has to pick a side.

Much more dependable is "is it working?" If it's working then don't fuck with it. If it's not working pick one:

1. Fix it.

2. Replace it.

3. Do without it.

If you go to a restaurant, since this is currently being discussed, and order a steak, you take a bite and decide if it's a good thing. If it isn't a good thing, back up to your 3 choices. Maybe a bit of salt or steak sauce will fix it, or you might need to send it back. Or you might just say fuck it and order a pizza. What you don't do, if it's a great steak, is buy the restaurant, close the doors and tell the staff they're only allowed to feed you and start eating every meal there.

Dears,

Some months ago, I was browsing Instagram, and somehow I bumped into this beauty from Medellin. From the photo, absolute goddess.

I could see she had several thousands of followers, which automatically means low chances of getting noticed, but I have tried anyway. She was clearly a pro, from the photo and party videos she posted. I had to try a few time before she gave me an answer, but basically I asked her in a polite way if there was a way to meet her.

She said that usual stuff and shared her price: "1 million COP for one night" (about 200 USD) which is quite the standard in Colombia. Then I asked her how much would be a whole day and she gave me 1. 5 M COP (300 USD). I live in Panama City and we could not meet for several months, but keep in touch. Once, I almost met her in Cartagena, but then not.

Then finally we met in November 2022 in Bogota' (I paid her flight) and she was amazing and fun all the time.

Last month, I met her again in Medellin, when I went to have some fun. She is sweet, she can easily have sex multiple times and enjoying it. Unlike other girls she is on a good mood all the time and her body is to die for. I plan to meet her again soon. Damage: 300 USD / day.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2787117]While I still see prepagos and semi-pros on occasion, I am now more likely to see chicas who just enjoy the company. Food, jacuzzi, safe environment, good treatment in and outside of bed. I currently have a GF who is 18. I am 57. We connect in some ways, but certainly not others (some generational, some cultural). But we enjoy our time together. She asks nothing of me, although I did buy her a nice shirt for Christmas! Her parents know about me and are fine with it, because they know I respect and take care of her. And she is not the first girl I've been with whose parents were totally fine with it and actually were happy she was not with a guy who was going to abuse her or knock her up or treat her like dirt.

I am not saying every girls prefers an older guy and I'm not saying all parents would be accepting, but it does happen.

Obviously I have no illusions of marrying her and bringing her to the USA. That's not going to happen with any chica. But we are enjoying the time now and not worrying about the future.[/QUOTE]It is the younger mongers who fight against this idea that much girls can enjoy the company of much older gringos. Remember this, as an older guy, I used to be your age and thought exactly the same thing. We used to be you and you will eventually become us. Because of this, you should hope that it is true so that you will continue to enjoy the company of much younger women even 30 or 40 years from now and they seem to enjoy your company. Wouldn't that be great even if it is a fantasy.

Great observation but you forgot the younger guys, yes if the younger guys quit paying see how long the Chicas hang around. You may think they want to be around you because your young and handsome but in reality they have their hands in your wallet. Your going to pay any way with meals or buying them clothes etc.

"Up to 12-15 yr age gap is acceptable, because you are technically, the same generation. 20-25 yr gap, or 40 yr gap is too wide. ".

These are the stupid rules that were forced upon us and the reason we leave to have fun. Bottom line is if your old and like younger women you can go to Colombia and have a great time for very little money. The girls that make my regular list are the ones that make me feel like a King and that I enjoy spending time with. I really don't care much for the naysayers who are trying to put us down and really do not care to hear about a youngster that can get pussy for free (although in reality it is not). This is a site about mongering and escorts (paying for sex). Enjoy my friends, I'm living the dream.

These are the stupid rules of pussy prison and the reason we leave to have fun.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787079]They don't love the older guys per se, they like the money that older guys have. Stop paying and see how long your "relationship" will last.

Up to 12-15 yr age gap is acceptable, because you are technically, the same generation. 20-25 yr gap, or 40 yr gap is too wide.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787145]Too wide to have a real, long lasting relationship.

BTW, how do you know if both parties are having fun? Would the party that gets paid have fun for free?[/QUOTE]I didn't make a claim. I proposed a hypothetical. You are the one making claims again. Claims are demonstrably false.

BTW. If you were to plan to go to the Supwerbowl final w your same age GF. But you didn't have nough money to buy the tickets, how much fun would you have? . And if you did have tickets to buy the tickets, would it be fair for me to say "that's not real fun bcos you had to pay for it"?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787088]The last chick I hooked with on my trip to my surprise was 19 years old, I'm 35 and even at my age I low key felt uncomfortable walking around with her in provenza, like I said I don't know how guys in their 50's and 60's are comfortable with that, I would assume most people might think they are walking around with their grand daughter.

I actually felt a little embarrassed and shame with the security guys at my airbnb when I had to tell her to display her cedula to them. Had I known her age prior to meeting up I would of gone with someone older, at the very least 21, But I said fuck it, it was my last day and she was a sweet girl. I guess I don't like feeling like a pedophile. Not my thing.[/QUOTE]Many young guys don't like older men banging young women because of the possibility of old men fucking girls that the young guys want and so those young guys get the old man's sloppy seconds.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2729250]Love equals money or money equals love...

My downfall, is my chicas see how much I spend on the pink shit, and that unfortunately sets the bar quite a bit higher, but that "problem" is of my own doing and I can only blame myself for that predicament, not them. What can I say when they observe, "But you spent X-million pesos this week on. . . ? " I tell them I worked long and hard to spend my money the way I choose, but if we are talking love, that is obviously a selfish retort and does not fly well...[/QUOTE]An old post but I have to add taking your date to a higher end restaurant although not an issue for us, but when the girl sees a steak dinner for 100 K and you're drinking 30 K drinks, when that bill comes and the waiter either announces for the whole restaurant what the total is, even though you are looking at the bill (The total is on the bill, that's what the bill is, why do they need to announce the total more than once?) or they lay the bill on the table in full view of everyone at the table while they work the credit card machine.

My point is aligned with Osteo that when the girls see you just spring 300 K for dinner and you have agreed on 200 K for the night, she may just feel slighted and service may take a dip. "If he is spending 20 K on taxis three times tonight, 300 K on dinner etc. Why am I only getting 200 K!

I find you get better service from the girl going to a humble tipico place to eat and not spending wads of cash in front of her.

By spending big bucks in front of her you are showing how rich you are, however temporary due to a good FX rate vs USD / EUR, this is not going to last forever. They are continuing to jack up prices due to all you Daddy Warbucks out there, spending like a drunken sailor. And I should know about sailors.

Just my. 02 cents.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2787275]Many young guys don't like older men banging young women because of the possibility of old men fucking girls that the young guys want and so those young guys get the old man's sloppy seconds.[/QUOTE]At 35 I probably thought the same thing. Now at 43 when I see a 55 year old with a 20 yr old I want to give the guy a high five and say good for you!

Bottom line is old women are not fuckable. When I go to the pool or Walmart, all I see are old unfuckable women. We have to travel to Brazil and Colombia so we have a huge amount of choice. It's impossible to compete with the 21 year old body. My old boss used to bust my balls for looking at 21 year olds. Then I saw his 250 pound wife and realized it was just jealousy. He has to bang this whale in his 50's.

[QUOTE=Tiepolo2002;2787255]She said that usual stuff and shared her price: "1 million COP for one night" (about 200 USD) which is quite the standard in Colombia. Then I asked her how much would be a whole day and she gave me 1. 5 M COP (300 USD).[/QUOTE]$200 for overnight isn't standard, it's definitely up there unless you're going to a high-end club which isn't worth it imo. Medellin is more expensive than Bogota though. I spent about $60 for a few hours to $100 for most of the afternoon. I'm heading back there this weekend and scheduled more time with the same girls for about the same I paid last time.

I had one that quoted $200 for the day and another wanted almost $100 per hour. You just have to weed through them until you find better options.

What it comes down to is the how much cash the girls can get for how little effort. So, on that basis we can probably agree the girls have to exert less effort to get more money the older the punter. All in all I feel strongly the older guys that really interest girls are the one's who appear on bank notes. Anyone who doubts that should withhold cash to get a low cost cocktail of truth and reality.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787076]Right on Bro.

I know quite a few girls that prefer the older guys to the young bucks for quite a few reasons. What it comes down to is communication, attitude, maturity and respect. My Girfriends either really enjoy their time with me if not they should be in line for an Oscar. Being in my 60's I have been known to play around with all ages (I do not like to descriminate although women 25-35 years old seem to be the sweetspot for me). Yeah, I know they are with me for my money and I am paying them for their services but we all are having a good time. The same thing that goes for the guys in their 30's they are with you for the money too so don't think your special.[/QUOTE]

The streets are saying it is there for a 45 day period, possibly longer. I think it's been in place for a week or so already.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2787141]So this morning I went down to Centro and had an excellent mid day session with a cute 23 year old vennie at botero real. Anyways I got some pics of the new barrier that was put up last week.

I heard it's only going to be temporary though and had something to do with a new paro nacional (protest) that is going to be happening soon.[/QUOTE]

I think your point is valid even though you and the guy you quoted are not referring to quite the same thing. A key difference is it's not hard to setep away from the table and tell the waiter you want to settle the restaurant bill discreetly. You don't even need to show a menu to your date. There are barrio girls who won't understsand it anyway. To expedite the ordering process I sometimes break down the menu with questions like "do you prefer beef, pork, fish, or salad. " That's just an example because 90%+ of the time there isn't much interest in seafood or salad. French fries and solomito will usually get you past the awkward ordering phase.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2787282]An old post but I have to add taking your date to a higher end restaurant although not an issue for us, but when the girl sees a steak dinner for 100 K and you're drinking 30 K drinks, when that bill comes and the waiter either announces for the whole restaurant what the total is, even though you are looking at the bill (The total is on the bill, that's what the bill is, why do they need to announce the total more than once?) or they lay the bill on the table in full view of everyone at the table while they work the credit card machine.

My point is aligned with Osteo that when the girls see you just spring 300 K for dinner and you have agreed on 200 K for the night, she may just feel slighted and service may take a dip. "If he is spending 20 K on taxis three times tonight, 300 K on dinner etc. Why am I only getting 200 K!

I find you get better service from the girl going to a humble tipico place to eat and not spending wads of cash in front of her.

By spending big bucks in front of her you are showing how rich you are, however temporary due to a good FX rate vs USD / EUR, this is not going to last forever. They are continuing to jack up prices due to all you Daddy Warbucks out there, spending like a drunken sailor. And I should know about sailors.

Just my. 02 cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787268]I didn't make a claim. I proposed a hypothetical. You are the one making claims again. Claims are demonstrably false.

BTW. If you were to plan to go to the Supwerbowl final w your same age GF. But you didn't have nough money to buy the tickets, how much fun would you have? . And if you did have tickets to buy the tickets, would it be fair for me to say "that's not real fun bcos you had to pay for it"?[/QUOTE]If I was not able to afford Super Bowl final tickets, we would find a way to have fun. Watch the game at home or at a sports bar, for example. And after the game, have even more fun in the bedroom. Because my GF dates me regardless of what I can or can't afford.

If you were 20 yrs old, would you enjoy banging a 60 yr old woman after you both went to the super bowl final on her dime? Do you realize that you have to "pay it back" to her in the bedroom after the game is over? Eat that 60 yr old pussy? How fun would it be for you?

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2787282]...I find you get better service from the girl going to a humble tipico place to eat and not spending wads of cash in front of her.....[/QUOTE]I have been seeing a few recently in Brazil. The last one does not even have a phone. She was smiling at me every time I passed her store. I decided to talk to her, but she took a pen from the counter instead. I wasn't sure why so I gave her my WhatsApp and said message me if you would go out to dinner with me.

Next day I received a message from her from her mom's WhatsApp. We agreed on a place in the middle between our locations, and I had to tell her to take Uber and not bus because she lives in another side of the town. She said US $4 Uber was too high. I told her I would pay her trip both ways. By the time of our date, there must be a surge pricing and it became more than 9 USD. She would not take it until it settled at about 6USD. She came in Uber but arrived without a cell phone. The restaurant I picked probably is expensive by her standard.

I did ask about sex in general, but I did not ask for sex after dinner. She told me she would have sex with me tonight. We went to a love motel nearby and I did not pay her anything. I think the sex is different but not necessarily better. The full on DFK after sex is better than the usually paid ones. She is 20-year-old

I did ask her why she was smiling at me. The answer was she did that to everyone. LOL.

My intuition was to gift her money, but I have been reconsidering the money approach. I am not sure it would make it better by gifting her one-time payment and It's possible it would make it worse.

I had another regular who had her 20th birthday about two weeks ago. She said she could not meet on Saturday because there was a birthday party. My curiosity got to me so I asked was it her birthday? She confirmed and was like a little kid expecting a Christmas present wondering what gift I was going to give her. LOL. Money topic never came up before this. I was planning to gift her money for birthday present, but I changed my mind and took her to pick and buy a gift instead. She already had a necklace in mind as she told me during dinner. When we were shopping, I guess the female clerk knew I was paying so she showed her another necklace that was twice as expensive. The girl asked me which one did I like? I told her it's her birthday present so she should pick.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787318]Because my GF dates me regardless of what I can or can't afford.
[/QUOTE]That'a great for you. I am pleased for you. I have never ever witnessed a couple stay together if one of them can't afford it. Apart from some examples at the real poverty end of the spectrum. Always, one must pay for it.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2787282]An old post but I have to add taking your date to a higher end restaurant although not an issue for us, but when the girl sees a steak dinner for 100 K and you're drinking 30 K drinks, when that bill comes and the waiter either announces for the whole restaurant what the total is, even though you are looking at the bill (The total is on the bill, that's what the bill is, why do they need to announce the total more than once?) or they lay the bill on the table in full view of everyone at the table while they work the credit card machine.[/QUOTE]You say that as if everyone at the table was not there when things were ordered and when the food came. They saw what was there and it was no secret the price of the items listed in the menu. But in Sosua it used to happen a lot that guys go out to eat and chicks see them dining on lobster and shit then they want more money.

So many girls on facebook selling pictures. Often many accounts of the same person. Probably some guy selling videos they get off instagram and tiktok.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2787275]Many young guys don't like older men banging young women because of the possibility of old men fucking girls that the young guys want and so those young guys get the old man's sloppy seconds.[/QUOTE]Plus the young guys have to deal with the disappointment of the girl because they still haven't learned how to satisfy a woman.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2787352]So many girls on facebook selling pictures. Often many accounts of the same person. Probably some guy selling videos they get off instagram and tiktok.[/QUOTE]Weird. Somehow I got caught up in a chat group in Barranquilla. I guess it must have been one of those photoprepagos ads that I contacted. Well when one person in the group found out the chick was selling content he laughed and was like for what. Then people started adding literally thousands of videos and pics of other people's content to the group and were like this shit is free. I had to delete that group. I could have gone into business and sold some of the videos that were placed into that group.

My nurse chick in Bogota has sent me so many pics and videos over the years that the other day I finally had to ask her if she was doing cam shows. Who the fuck has that much time be be taking all those pics and playing with themselves all the damn time. She got offended that I asked.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2787352]So many girls on facebook selling pictures. Often many accounts of the same person. Probably some guy selling videos they get off instagram and tiktok.[/QUOTE]LOL you're reply was pretty funny.

Lmao. Just fcking around man. Been Mia for a min after my last Dec debauchery and now getting ready for another trip and deciding between MDE and DR and can't decide. It will be for 20 days to a Month and wish to fly in the next few days. My question is how's the action and party scene right now? I know next week or so (02/18) it's Barranquilla carnival and many chics and their families will be gone for that week or longer. Shall I wait? Also as I'm trying to catch up w y'all, all I'm reading past few pages is still the usual 2022 debates and dick measuring LOL, so anyone of y'all out there hitting it since no full reports in a min?

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2787282] My point is aligned with Osteo that when the girls see you just spring 300 K for dinner and you have agreed on 200 K for the night, she may just feel slighted and service may take a dip. "If he is spending 20 K on taxis three times tonight, 300 K on dinner etc. Why am I only getting 200 K!

I find you get better service from the girl going to a humble tipico place to eat and not spending wads of cash in front of her.

By spending big bucks in front of her you are showing how rich you are, however temporary due to a good FX rate vs USD / EUR, this is not going to last forever. They are continuing to jack up prices due to all you Daddy Warbucks out there, spending like a drunken sailor. And I should know about sailors.

Just my. 02 cents.[/QUOTE]Haha I think every one has thought of this. My 2 cents, spend accordingly, if you're with a cheap date don't splurge on fancy dinners. However if you are with a higher end girl my experience has been they love those fancy dinners and they pay it back nicely later, either way I enjoy nice dinners too but like I said just use common sense.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787385]Not only he sees prepagos, but also worked for a webcam girl and shared an apartment with her. I would never want my daughter to date his old ass, and if she did, I would fail as a father. But since his "girlfriend" was raised by a single mom, that explains everything. The most fucked up thing is he thinks it is normal to date someone who is 40 years younger. 20 yr old girl is just a kid with very little experience in anything, can't even legally consume alcohol in the States.[/QUOTE]True when I read the father isn't in the picture that made a lot of sense, I thought these parents have to fucked in the head.

Those exact thoughts ran thru my head when I was out with the 19 yr old, I was like this chick can't even order a drink back home haha, I was like wtf I'm I doing with her, I just wanted to bust my nut and get it over with, I couldn't date girls that young.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2787082]It's not just about jealousy or envy, but pure anger as well. Several years ago a woman told me that I was somebody who she saw as being with younger women, and that pissed her off to no end. I didn't even really "know" this woman as she was more of an acquaintance. At the time we were thinking about "getting to know each other better", but it never happened. The thing is that I'm not sexually attracted to most women my age (not all but most), and I suppose this can be said to be one of the negative "side effects" of mongering. I've never "adjusted" to being with women in my age cohort. And at this point in time, I don't ever intend to. I'll just keep fucking what I like to fuck until for whatever reason I can't anymore, and then I'll just stop fucking. Young, pretty blondes (brunettes and redheads too) forever: [URL]https://quatroporquatroclass.com.br/us/perfil/vitoria[/URL]![/QUOTE]Here's my question, and this goes out to all of you dinosaurs haha.

Do you guys fear ending up alone? I mean since like you said you don't see yourself settling with a woman around your age.

Like right now obviously for me after dating and a divorce and now in my mid 30's I have no intentions of settling down, but I have thought about how long could I keep fucking girls just for fun till I eventually would get tired of it, or better yet what would I do if one day my dick stopped working, do I really want to depend on viagra all the time. Nobody wants to end up in a nursing home alone left to die. I mean I still children & have family but sometimes I do wonder if I just keep living the monger life I might just end up alone in meaningless "GF" relationships and not exactly sure if that's the road I want to take but you guys make it seem like you are happy as can be. So I'm just curious about some honesty, some insight on that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787171]Does Chicago count as a big city? Downtown. Millenium Park. Willis Tower. The big Apple Store? I've previously posted 1 or 2 pictures undoubtedly taken on the observation deck of Willis Tower (formerly Sears Tower), so I'm pretty sure it's true that she has a visa (B1/ B2 if it matters). Attached is a screen shot from a video when we ate at Giordano's on Randolph Street. Notice the lack of disgust, scorn, negative comments or even attention.her.[/QUOTE]That elevator ride up the Willis tower is some ride isn't it, goes up really fast!

How did she like that deep dish? I think I tried it at the same place.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787385]Not only he sees prepagos, but also worked for a webcam girl and shared an apartment with her. I would never want my daughter to date his old ass, and if she did, I would fail as a father. But since his "girlfriend" was raised by a single mom, that explains everything. The most fucked up thing is he thinks it is normal to date someone who is 40 years younger. 20 yr old girl is just a kid with very little experience in anything, can't even legally consume alcohol in the States.[/QUOTE]When did ColombiaLover say all this?

This has been a good thread so far. Funny thing is today there is an article that Leonardo DiCaprio is dating a new 19 year old model. Doing what we all would do if we were him.

I am not seeing reports of guys renting AirBnBs in Medellin. Is AirBnB a good coice for a longer stay?

In what colonia are the bars? I wouldn't want to rent a long term place too far from the action.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787385]Not only he sees prepagos, but also worked for a webcam girl and shared an apartment with her. I would never want my daughter to date his old ass, and if she did, I would fail as a father. But since his "girlfriend" was raised by a single mom, that explains everything. The most fucked up thing is he thinks it is normal to date someone who is 40 years younger. 20 yr old girl is just a kid with very little experience in anything, can't even legally consume alcohol in the States.[/QUOTE]I was referring to Jjbee, not ColombiaLover.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787385] I would never want my daughter to date his old ass, and if she did, I would fail as a father. [/QUOTE]How do you reconcile this. You rate girls as 1-10 and mark some of the girls as 10 that FK you for money, right. So how come you wouldn't want your own daughter to be similar 10?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2787306]The streets are saying it is there for a 45 day period, possibly longer. .[/QUOTE]Already today the checkpoints were not even staffed by police.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787387]I just don't like feeling like a pedophile and don't see how men with a 20,30,40 year age gap feel comfortable with it if I don't at my age.[/QUOTE]So if you didn't have a sexual hang up and feel like a paedophile then it would be okay, according to you. Well ok great bcos that's exacty how I feel. I don't feel uncomfortable at all so it is all ok according to you and I.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787431]How do you reconcile this. You rate girls as 1-10 and mark some of the girls as 10 that FK you for money, right. So how come you wouldn't want your own daughter to be similar 10?[/QUOTE]What does this has to do with the rating scale? Yes, I want my daughter to look beautiful, as any father would want. But I will do my best to make sure my daughter will never be in a position to sell her pussy to some old fart, or anyone, for that matter.

I have seen girls quote me $800,000 for all night which would be a no go for me. Then again I have had chicas over and they ask if it's ok to spend the night and I pay them $300,000 in the morning.

I have had many women spend the night over the years and I generally do not pay extra for it.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2787292]$200 for overnight isn't standard, it's definitely up there unless you're going to a high-end club which isn't worth it imo. Medellin is more expensive than Bogota though. I spent about $60 for a few hours to $100 for most of the afternoon. I'm heading back there this weekend and scheduled more time with the same girls for about the same I paid last time.

I had one that quoted $200 for the day and another wanted almost $100 per hour. You just have to weed through them until you find better options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787441]What does this has to do with the rating scale? Yes, I want my daughter to look beautiful, as any father would want. But I will do my best to make sure my daughter will never be in a position to sell her pussy to some old fart, or anyone, for that matter.[/QUOTE]Well you rate women as high as they could possibly score as a 10 if they look good and FK you for money. So surely your daughter could rate 10 by doing the same? Even if not by you, but by another guy that follows your rating scale. You rate some girls as 10 which is the max score despite them accepting money for sex. So obv there is nothing wrong with doing that. So what's wrong with me or some other guy fking ur daughter for money? Hypothetical of course.

I am just finishing up my visit to Medellin. I am flying out tomorrow morning and everything seems fine in Medellin. There's a lot of debate about pricing, older rounders with much younger girls, druggings and so on. I was a bit busy doing things in the bedroom to fully engage in the debates. I can tell you is I came, I had a great time and I leave very satisfied with Medellin. I saw Facebook girls exclusively and I was happy with the prices that I paid and the service that I received. Everyone has their own price point which they want to pay and I was happy with the prices that I paid and it really doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks about how much I paid.

This is my third trip to Medellin and I would come back. La Quinta por.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787436]So if you didn't have a sexual hang up and feel like a paedophile then it would be okay, according to you. Well ok great bcos that's exacty how I feel. I don't feel uncomfortable at all so it is all ok according to you and I.[/QUOTE]Huh? Sorry I don't understand what you are getting at.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787448]Well you rate women as high as they could possibly score as a 10 if they look good and FK you for money. So surely your daughter could rate 10 by doing the same? Even if not by you, but by another guy that follows your rating scale. You rate some girls as 10 which is the max score despite them accepting money for sex. So obv there is nothing wrong with doing that. So what's wrong with me or some other guy fking ur daughter for money? Hypothetical of course.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? 1-10 scale is for looks only. Regardless of her degree, profession, personality, and it doesn't matter if she accepts money or not. I rate women differently depending on how they look. I rate them 5's, 7's, etc and all other numbers from 1 to 10. I haven't scored a 10 yet, maybe a couple of 9's. What's wrong with you fucking my daughter for money? Everything! My daughter, if I ever have one, will never have to fuck for money, simply because she won't be in need to do so.

Will be my 4th time travelling to Medellin since 2018. Don't speak Spanish but love the city and have visited many casas and strip clubs. Looking to increase my Facebook contacts for this trip. Also up for meeting up with fellow mongers. DM me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2787347] If someone 19 makes you feel like a pedophile, and 21 is only a little better, what about a 20 year old? The difference in age from 1 year to the next could be a matter of seconds.

The laws vary, but if you're from the US, wherever you are, 18 is the line. If you feel uncomfortable with that, that's your own problem. In 20 years you'll be telling guys your age there's nothing wrong with it.[/QUOTE]20 for me is still like dating a teenager, I don't know what to tell you man, I'm just expressing how I feel about it, not everyone has to agree and I don't care what older guys are doing because it doesn't involve me. To each his own. And oh god no I hope I'm not telling that to younger guys, In 20 years hopefully I won't have the desire to monger any more because I met a woman to settle down with that's AT LEAST 30.

Let's be real, In my opinion anyone who is over 30 and purposely seeks teenagers has some sort of pedophilia fetish, I think most sane individuals would agree.

At my age now, my preference is 24-29, by the time I'm 60 IF I'm still mongering I'm hoping that doesn't change at the very least.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787387]I just don't like feeling like a pedophile and don't see how men with a 20,30,40 year age gap feel comfortable with it if I don't at my age.[/QUOTE]This is a word that has been hijacked and misconstrued, probably in an effort to shame people. This word deals with prepubescent people, not someone that is fully developed that may be much younger than the other person.

My girlfriend is from a country town in Brazil. She met her ex-husband when she was 17 and he was 40. She said when they would go places people would sometimes mistake her for his daughter, but nobody was like ewww. I am 50 and personally like chicks at least 25. But I think you will get a better perspective if you talk to normal chicks that like older guys, because some chicks do actually prefer older guys or like someone and he happens to be older.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787454]What are you talking about? 1-10 scale is for looks only. [/QUOTE]Thats not what I remember at all. I remember you saying that a girl scored higher marks for education, job, where she lives, her life experiences. Etc (how much you paid for he, heher). Maybe I was wrong about that. I am too tired to look it up.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787460]Thats not what I remember at all. I remember you saying that a girl scored higher marks for education, job, where she lives, her life experiences. Etc (how much you paid for he, heher). Maybe I was wrong about that. I am too tired to look it up.[/QUOTE]You are probably confusing me with Elvis and his opinion on the elites.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787456]It's a free world in Colombia If someone is 60 and want's to date a 20 year old and she wants to be his girlfriend its all good. What I do not understand is why someone especially one of our Monger brothers would have a problem with it. We leave the good old USA for these exact socio norms that we do not agree with.[/QUOTE]True, like I said to each his own. If jjb and others like him are happy and that's what makes them happy good for them, I'm not knocking that, I'm just saying how I feel about it and if that offends anyone will than tough luck, that's the internet for you. If someone doesn't agree that's fine also. Hell when I see a old man with a young girl the only thing I feel is just a little embarrassed for the chick but that's about it. I don't get why some of you are saying it's jealousy. I'm pretty sure I can out perform most people twice my age without the need of a pill. But seriously more power to you, the good thing is you older guys are doing more work than us to keep that hooker mentality plugged in for these type of unfortunate women. So thanks for that.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787443]I don't need to know you, or know her, in order to make a simple conclusion that a 60 yr old gringo truck driver has very little (if anything at all) in common with a 20 yr kid from Colombia. You are being delusional when calling her your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]That begs the question of why do you think people have to have a lot in common in order to enjoy each other's company and have fun together? When I stop and look at it, me and my girlfriend are closer in age and do not have very much in common. But we do love to be with each other and take care of each other and do things together.

James Carville sticks out to me. While opposing lay political party members are ready to kill each other, this guy is a democratic political consultant that has been married to a republican political consultant for 30 years. They have opposing livelihoods yet are able to be together.

Sometimes I meet chicks and they say I need to get to know you first. I ask why; didn't you get to know your last boyfriend or kid's father first? And how did that turn out? It seems the prescribed path or path that most people travel does not guarantee shit. Sometimes think or do outside the box or throw caution to the wind and see what you come up with. If you can converse well and get along good with a person, what the fuck does it matter if both of your favorite color is red?

The mayor had his photo op the other day. He will let it fade away gradually now that he got what he needed from it.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2787432]Already today the checkpoints were not even staffed by police.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787454]I rate women differently depending on how they look. I rate them 5's, 7's, etc and all other numbers from 1 to 10. I haven't scored a 10 yet, maybe a couple of 9's.[/QUOTE]So would that not mean the 9 on your scale is actually a 10, or that the 10 is meaningless? Why would there be a grade for something that is virtually impossible to achieve?

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787456]It's a free world in Colombia If someone is 60 and want's to date a 20 year old and she wants to be his girlfriend its all good. What I do not understand is why someone especially one of our Monger brothers would have a problem with it. We leave the good old USA for these exact socio norms that we do not agree with.[/QUOTE]But that is not saying we leave the USA to give up ALL social norms there. We still want to keep the ones we personally agree with. We just want more leeway for the norms we personally do not agree with.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787385]Not only he sees prepagos, but also worked for a webcam girl and shared an apartment with her. I would never want my daughter to date his old ass, and if she did, I would fail as a father. But since his "girlfriend" was raised by a single mom, that explains everything. The most fucked up thing is he thinks it is normal to date someone who is 40 years younger. 20 yr old girl is just a kid with very little experience in anything, can't even legally consume alcohol in the States.[/QUOTE]Can we get the thread name changed from "Medellin Reports" to "Just Can't Stop Talking about JjBee62?" At least then half of the posts would be on topic.

Honestly, Mami'sBoy, if you had a daughter, it's unlikely I'd date her. Even drunk my standards are higher than to go that far down the food chain.

Just because it's hilarious to show how you never know what you're talking about:

I worked for a webcam studio (technically 3 of them), one of them was ran by the boyfriend of a webcam model. I lived in an apartment rented by that studio, along with another webcam model who worked for that studio. The webcam model I shared the apartment with currently owns homes on 2 continents and has offered me free stays, any time for however long I want, in her Bogota Airbnb. So obviously that must make me a truly horrible person (although I'm not sure why). BTW, you also see prepagos. Do you have a special exemption, or are you just flexing your hypocrisy?

Back to "things you don't know, but insist on talking about. ".

My girlfriend wasn't raised by a single mom. She's the second daughter and apparently, her mother was married before having her older sister (since she has 2 older brothers, same name). However, at some point her parents divorced and I've been told her father remarried.

The truly fucked up thing is that, along with whoever I might be fucking, my life is apparently the most important thing in the world to you.

If you want to get technical, and why not, she's over 40 years younger. I hit 60 before she hit 20. As the Official ISG Sheriff of the Morality Patrol that must really get you riled up. She doesn't need to drink alcohol in the US. Unlike with you, women don't need to get drunk before they can bear to be around me.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787390]True when I read the father isn't in the picture that made a lot of sense, I thought these parents have to fucked in the head.

Those exact thoughts ran thru my head when I was out with the 19 yr old, I was like this chick can't even order a drink back home haha, I was like wtf I'm I doing with her, I just wanted to bust my nut and get it over with, I couldn't date girls that young.[/QUOTE]So fucking her was perfectly fine, but dating her would be fucked up?

Go ahead and read it again.

You had no problem, when you found out the girl you just met was 19, fucking her, paying her and sending her home, but getting to know her, spending several days with her, without even a kiss, keeping in touch with her for over 2 years before the first real time alone with her, would have been immoral?

That's so incredibly stupid, you should get a trophy.

BTW, what was the parenting situation of the 19 year old hooker? Surely, if it's so important you asked before fucking.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2787443]I don't need to know you, or know her, in order to make a simple conclusion that a 60 yr old gringo truck driver has very little (if anything at all) in common with a 20 yr kid from Colombia. You are being delusional when calling her your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]Here we go again.

You don't need to know anything about something in order to know everything about it? Does that sum it up?

Making a conclusion, without any data is called "I'm just going to make shit up. ".

Sad isn't it?

I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.

From Airport: You can either take bus to San Diego or el Centro (behind Nutibara Hotel) for 16 mil and then taxi to your place OR you can take taxi / uber directly to your place (about 90 mil now).

I mostly did centro casa either solo or with another ISG member (BarrioSpinner) and then chill around centro for lunch / coffee then hit up the grills (Conejita or Nueva). Centro Casas route: New Life (3 mil viewing if you don't take a girl), Sexy Amigas, or Zandaly. They all within 3-5 blocks of each other. For addresses, use the posted map. I checked out New Life a few times but never took anyone there.

Zandaly- Beer 5 mil, girl 55 mil for half. Giselle- Thin spinner, she has some type of butt injection so you see marks on her butts, good service, kisses. Cristal- A little bigger than expected, big shaggy tits, recently had a baby, okay service. Estafania- Nice body, fake tits, but cute face. Charlotte- Dark mulata vennie, cute face but the overly done fake ass that doesn't match her thin body kind of a turn off when on d4 jaja, asked for propina. Mia- nice face and body, fake tits with scar marks.

Sexy Amigas. Beer 7 mil, girl 65 mil for half. Estrella- Thin spinner, curly hair, hottest looking girl in there, kisses but no tongue, 50 mil for BBBJ. Daniella- Thick chica, fake tits, but not overly done, standard service.

Went to Conjeta a few times but never sessioned. Checked it out and chill with a beer or two, then went to Nueva. BarrioSpinner sessioned here a few times. Girl wanted 100 mil to 150 mil for half. Beer is 8 or 9 mil.

Nueva Grill- beer / water 8 mil, cost is depend on each girl. Maria Jose- 21 yo, very thin and short vennie with braces, 75 mil half. She was actually quite friendly and engaging with the conversation afterward. These girls after I cannot make up the names because it was hard to hear with loud music. 2nd chica is from Bello- this girl looks a bit masculine from afar with the club light but when she is close, she's a good looking chica, thin spinner, with great smile, 80 mil half. She has a few small tattoos and one between the collar bones. 3rd chica- thin spinner, she has a crown tattoo on her right butt. This chica got into it, does DT and sucked pretty well, but talked too much, asked for propina. Genesis (I think) - thin spinner, she comes with her older sister who is slightly thicker. She has a heart tattoo on her left arm, and her older sister has a wraparound tattoo on the left thigh. Only negative is when doing d4, she kept pushing her ass to me and it was hard for me to get any thrust.

I might have missed a couple chicas. Can't remember them all.

Okay online and other casas.

Diamond- operated out of Belmonte building. 2 different Torre 1 and 2, make sure you know which one. Majority of the girls are on Photoprepagos or you can get Diamond's number and request a catalog. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/haremos-todas-las-picardias-morbosas-y-atrevidas-id-uupee[/URL] from Pereira. The pictures are more filtered, she looks similar in person but a bit darker and slightly thicker. I decided to only do half when I saw her. 140 mil half. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/alma-modelo-de-rostro-angelical-figura-esbelta-muy-dulce-y-id-qcc5n[/URL] Picture is mostly accurate, slightly darker in person, from Bucaramanga. Good service with no upcharge BBBJ said depends on hygiene. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/rica-escort-una-autentica-bomba-latina-del-porno-id-wfkbc[/URL] Picture is accurate in person except the face is a bit older than I would like. I think she's in her 30's. She got really into it, but kept making weird face kinda turn off jaja. She rode me a long time too. 130 mil half.

Angeles Spa- Cra. 81 #42-60, #202 Laureles. [URL]https://angeles-4.ola.click/products[/URL]. Viewing fee 30 mil if you don't take one. Sara- bigger than the picture, definitely not the same girl because the one I got has tattoos and the one in the pictures doesn't. 90 mil half. Celeste- just like the pic, service was great, BBBJ was top. 50 mil extra.

Santa Spa. Av. 80 #32 EE-21, Laureles (Approximate) I went here around 5 PM and only saw 1 chica which is the one below. There was two other Colombianos waiting and she said more chicas coming if you want to wait or take her. One of the col took her and I decided to wait with the other col but only 1 more girl showed up after 20 min, so I left. I met the owner who ran another casa below. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/guapisima-con-un-cuerpo-exquisito-y-candente-id-usk5z[/URL] Did not session, but true to pics, 200 mil hour.

Rejas Blancas (not sure of name bc the girl gave me) Cra 79 A #3962, Laureles. It looks like setup similar to Energy spa. You can come in for viewing. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hermosa-camila-nueva-tu-compania-ideal-adicta-al-sexo/22892440/[/URL] I found her online and she gave me address to the casa, which I found out later owned by the same owner of Santa Spa. Mechanical and clock watcher, otherwise decent session, 100 mil half even though ads says 40 min. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/juana-pervertida-dejate-seducir-por-el-placer-y-la-lujuria-agenda-tu-cita/23776139/[/URL] this online chica sent me to the same house, but was bait and switched with a different girl named Juana so I left. They said the girl in picture do work there but coming in later. Whatever.

Ellas Erotic [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/models/prepagos/[/URL] 2 locations. AV 80 #52-04, LOS Colores. Lorena- true to pics. 40 mil BBBJ. 80 mil half. Luisa- true to pics, bad breath. 80 mil half. Both times, I was about 10 min late to the scheduled appointment and these girls counted against me, meaning I was on the clock when I was scheduled. Both chicas, said you got 5 min left when we just started like 10-15 min ago.

2nd location Calle 44 #90 A-49, La America. I had better service at this location, maybe it's just the girl. Zoe- slightly thicker than picture but otherwise same girl. She got into it right away with kissing and such. I gave her 100 mil and when she came back we just go at it, and until I left. I forgot about the change jaja. Fernanda- true to pic, but the face is a bit older than I would like probably in 30's but she was really into it. Kissing, DT, etc. I should've paid for BBBJ. Great service. She almost got me ready for 2nd round but I was out of time and too tired to continue jaja.

I also did once at Energy Spa to check it out since I haven't been there before. Was lack luster, not worth the money or repeat. Also checked out La Isla for fun with another ISG.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787456]It's a free world in Colombia If someone is 60 and want's to date a 20 year old and she wants to be his girlfriend its all good. What I do not understand is why someone especially one of our Monger brothers would have a problem with it. We leave the good old USA for these exact socio norms that we do not agree with.[/QUOTE]This should be a pinned post. We all have our "predilections".

If I want to fuck a 20 yo and you have a problem with it, then GTFOH (in a Sopranos-NJ-kinda-way).

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787445]I have seen girls quote me $800,000 for all night which would be a no go for me. Then again I have had chicas over and they ask if it's ok to spend the night and I pay them $300,000 in the morning.

I have had many women spend the night over the years and I generally do not pay extra for it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, visiting a city for the first time is definitely the most difficult in terms of figuring out the going rate. I know people list prices here and it gives some indication of what to expect, but I don't know how these women look like. To be honest, some of the pictures posted here are not attractive and I wouldn't pay to fuck them even at cheap prices. I can only go with my experiences of what I like and how reasonable I think it is. Some will ask for more, others less, but I'm not going to make a big deal about $10-20 differences when we're spending hours together and I actually like her. Worst case scenario: I don't repeat with them and find someone better.

I was getting quoted high prices for some women on SA and getting worried Medellin was double the price of Bogota, but once you talk to enough of them, you'll find attractive women who ask for reasonable rates and it changes the dynamic going forward. I'm now comfortable enough to just ghost Medellin women when they open with too high of a price because I know I just need to keep looking. My biggest advice is never get too attached to one woman no matter how hot their pics are. Some of the best I hooked up with weren't on the top of my list when I first was browsing the site (they were still hot, don't get me wrong LOL).

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.[/QUOTE]Very helpful report. Coincidentally, two of the women you linked I had my eyes on. Good to know they actually looked like their pics even though one has her face blurred.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.

From Airport: You can either take bus to San Diego or el Centro (behind Nutibara Hotel) for 16 mil and then taxi to your place OR you can take taxi / uber directly to your place (about 90 mil now).

I mostly did centro casa either solo or with another ISG member (BarrioSpinner) and then chill around centro for lunch / coffee then hit up the grills (Conejita or Nueva). Centro Casas route: New Life (3 mil viewing if you don't take a girl), Sexy Amigas, or Zandaly. They all within 3-5 blocks of each other. For addresses, use the posted map. I checked out New Life a few times but never took anyone there...

...I also did once at Energy Spa to check it out since I haven't been there before. Was lack luster, not worth the money or repeat. Also checked out La Isla for fun with another ISG.[/QUOTE]Thanks for a very informative and useful post. I'm not really a Casa guy-but everything else was spot on important to the visit I hope to make in a few weeks.

I'll be in MDE in 10 days and have done some research based on my preferences for quality girls and friendly accommodations. Any confirmation or advise to avoid would be highly appreciated.

From what I've gathered, seems the top quality girls can be found in Loutron, Chicas Energy, New Life and Luna Lunera. Any of these I should prioritize? Any to avoid?

As for accommodations, seems it is difficult to find hotels that won't object or up-charge for bringing in girls. I was planning on staying at Intercontinental or Estelar since I've read some reports mention they did not have issues bringing in girls; anyone has had issues with either of these? I'm still no clear on which Estelar people are referring to, as I see there are a few (Blue, Milla de Oro, Apartamentos); any one of these in particular is GF?

As for Airbnb, I have found some that appear to be friendly, but seems they are located in noisy areas and might not be as clean as advertised; any good experiences with Airbnb?

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.

From Airport: You can either take bus to San Diego or el Centro (behind Nutibara Hotel) for 16 mil and then taxi to your place OR you can take taxi / uber directly to your place (about 90 mil now).

I mostly did centro casa either solo or with another ISG member (BarrioSpinner) and then chill around centro for lunch / coffee then hit up the grills (Conejita or Nueva). Centro Casas route: New Life (3 mil viewing if you don't take a girl), Sexy Amigas, or Zandaly. They all within 3-5 blocks of each other. For addresses, use the posted map. I checked out New Life a few times but never took anyone there..[/QUOTE]Vere interesting. Could you tell me if girls allow you to bareback?

Colombia is gearing up for protests against the government. There extensive mobilization around the city. Centro is completely changed yesterday with police barricades and only one ingress and egress points in to the plaza. One of the first marches is the upcoming Monday. Some of you may recall violence of 2021 marches and protests. Please stay safe and try not to get stuck in traffic during the roadblocks.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2787286]Bottom line is old women are not fuckable. When I go to the pool or Walmart, all I see are old unfuckable women......[/QUOTE]I'm thinking we should appreciate our nubile nymphs even more because that's probably how they look at us oldies.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2787451]I am just finishing up my visit to Medellin. I am flying out tomorrow morning and everything seems fine in Medellin. There's a lot of debate about pricing, older rounders with much younger girls, druggings and so on. I was a bit busy doing things in the bedroom to fully engage in the debates. I can tell you is I came, I had a great time and I leave very satisfied with Medellin. I saw Facebook girls exclusively and I was happy with the prices that I paid and the service that I received. Everyone has their own price point which they want to pay and I was happy with the prices that I paid and it really doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks about how much I paid.

This is my third trip to Medellin and I would come back. La Quinta por.[/QUOTE]LOL. Glad you had a great trip!!

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2787594]Colombia is gearing up for protests against the government. There extensive mobilization around the city. Centro is completely changed yesterday with police barricades and only one ingress and egress points in to the plaza. One of the first marches is the upcoming Monday. Some of you may recall violence of 2021 marches and protests. Please stay safe and try not to get stuck in traffic during the roadblocks.[/QUOTE]I read about that vaguely but thanks for the extra details, sounds like it will be serious and this is helping on my decision heading out there. It's not a vaca for me if I got to worry about that kinna of BS.

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[QUOTE=Gilolo;2787581]Vere interesting. Could you tell me if girls allow you to bareback?[/QUOTE]BBFS is not my thing with working girl so I never asked. You could try and chat with them and get them more comfortable with you especially at the strip clubs and go from there.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.......[/QUOTE]Let me add my thanks (to the others that you have already received) for your detailed and informative trip report. Even as a seasoned, Medellin veteran I gleaned several interesting leads to pursue. And your post proved a welcome relief from all the Tit-for-Tat, One-Upmanship that has dominated this thread of late. Well, perhaps not just "as of late".

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[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.

From Airport: You can either take bus to San Diego or el Centro (behind Nutibara Hotel) for 16 mil and then taxi to your place OR you can take taxi / uber directly to your place (about 90 mil now).

I mostly did centro casa either solo or with another ISG member (BarrioSpinner) and then chill around centro for lunch / coffee then hit up the grills (Conejita or Nueva). Centro Casas route: New Life (3 mil viewing if you don't take a girl), Sexy Amigas, or Zandaly. They all within 3-5 blocks of each other. For addresses, use the posted map. I checked out New Life a few times but never took anyone there.

Zandaly- Beer 5 mil, girl 55 mil for half. Giselle- Thin spinner, she has some type of butt injection so you see marks on her butts, good service, kisses. Cristal- A little bigger than expected, big shaggy tits, recently had a baby, okay service. Estafania- Nice body, fake tits, but cute face. Charlotte- Dark mulata vennie, cute face but the overly done fake ass that doesn't match her thin body kind of a turn off when on d4 jaja, asked for propina. Mia- nice face and body, fake tits with scar marks.

Sexy Amigas. Beer 7 mil, girl 65 mil for half. Estrella- Thin spinner, curly hair, hottest looking girl in there, kisses but no tongue, 50 mil for BBBJ. Daniella- Thick chica, fake tits, but not overly done, standard service.

Went to Conjeta a few times but never sessioned. Checked it out and chill with a beer or two, then went to Nueva. BarrioSpinner sessioned here a few times. Girl wanted 100 mil to 150 mil for half. Beer is 8 or 9 mil.

Nueva Grill- beer / water 8 mil, cost is depend on each girl. Maria Jose- 21 yo, very thin and short vennie with braces, 75 mil half. She was actually quite friendly and engaging with the conversation afterward. These girls after I cannot make up the names because it was hard to hear with loud music. 2nd chica is from Bello- this girl looks a bit masculine from afar with the club light but when she is close, she's a good looking chica, thin spinner, with great smile, 80 mil half. She has a few small tattoos and one between the collar bones. 3rd chica- thin spinner, she has a crown tattoo on her right butt. This chica got into it, does DT and sucked pretty well, but talked too much, asked for propina. Genesis (I think) - thin spinner, she comes with her older sister who is slightly thicker. She has a heart tattoo on her left arm, and her older sister has a wraparound tattoo on the left thigh. Only negative is when doing d4, she kept pushing her ass to me and it was hard for me to get any thrust.

I might have missed a couple chicas. Can't remember them all.

Okay online and other casas.

Diamond- operated out of Belmonte building. 2 different Torre 1 and 2, make sure you know which one. Majority of the girls are on Photoprepagos or you can get Diamond's number and request a catalog. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/haremos-todas-las-picardias-morbosas-y-atrevidas-id-uupee[/URL] from Pereira. The pictures are more filtered, she looks similar in person but a bit darker and slightly thicker. I decided to only do half when I saw her. 140 mil half. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/alma-modelo-de-rostro-angelical-figura-esbelta-muy-dulce-y-id-qcc5n[/URL] Picture is mostly accurate, slightly darker in person, from Bucaramanga. Good service with no upcharge BBBJ said depends on hygiene. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/rica-escort-una-autentica-bomba-latina-del-porno-id-wfkbc[/URL] Picture is accurate in person except the face is a bit older than I would like. I think she's in her 30's. She got really into it, but kept making weird face kinda turn off jaja. She rode me a long time too. 130 mil half.

Angeles Spa- Cra. 81 #42-60, #202 Laureles. [URL]https://angeles-4.ola.click/products[/URL]. Viewing fee 30 mil if you don't take one. Sara- bigger than the picture, definitely not the same girl because the one I got has tattoos and the one in the pictures doesn't. 90 mil half. Celeste- just like the pic, service was great, BBBJ was top. 50 mil extra.

Santa Spa. Av. 80 #32 EE-21, Laureles (Approximate) I went here around 5 PM and only saw 1 chica which is the one below. There was two other Colombianos waiting and she said more chicas coming if you want to wait or take her. One of the col took her and I decided to wait with the other col but only 1 more girl showed up after 20 min, so I left. I met the owner who ran another casa below. [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/el-poblado/guapisima-con-un-cuerpo-exquisito-y-candente-id-usk5z[/URL] Did not session, but true to pics, 200 mil hour.

Rejas Blancas (not sure of name bc the girl gave me) Cra 79 A #3962, Laureles. It looks like setup similar to Energy spa. You can come in for viewing. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/hermosa-camila-nueva-tu-compania-ideal-adicta-al-sexo/22892440/[/URL] I found her online and she gave me address to the casa, which I found out later owned by the same owner of Santa Spa. Mechanical and clock watcher, otherwise decent session, 100 mil half even though ads says 40 min. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/juana-pervertida-dejate-seducir-por-el-placer-y-la-lujuria-agenda-tu-cita/23776139/[/URL] this online chica sent me to the same house, but was bait and switched with a different girl named Juana so I left. They said the girl in picture do work there but coming in later. Whatever.

Ellas Erotic [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/models/prepagos/[/URL] 2 locations. AV 80 #52-04, LOS Colores. Lorena- true to pics. 40 mil BBBJ. 80 mil half. Luisa- true to pics, bad breath. 80 mil half. Both times, I was about 10 min late to the scheduled appointment and these girls counted against me, meaning I was on the clock when I was scheduled. Both chicas, said you got 5 min left when we just started like 10-15 min ago.

2nd location Calle 44 #90 A-49, La America. I had better service at this location, maybe it's just the girl. Zoe- slightly thicker than picture but otherwise same girl. She got into it right away with kissing and such. I gave her 100 mil and when she came back we just go at it, and until I left. I forgot about the change jaja. Fernanda- true to pic, but the face is a bit older than I would like probably in 30's but she was really into it. Kissing, DT, etc. I should've paid for BBBJ. Great service. She almost got me ready for 2nd round but I was out of time and too tired to continue jaja.

I also did once at Energy Spa to check it out since I haven't been there before. Was lack luster, not worth the money or repeat. Also checked out La Isla for fun with another ISG.[/QUOTE]Thank you Flowstate for the detailed info, I am nub, can you please tell me how is 55 Mil in USD. I am little confused.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]I was in MDE for about 2 weeks. Here are my report so people can get some benefits going either first timers or veterans.

From Airport: You can either take bus to San Diego or el Centro (behind Nutibara Hotel) for 16 mil and then taxi to your place OR you can take taxi / uber directly to your place (about 90 mil now).

I mostly did centro casa either solo or with another ISG member (BarrioSpinner) and then chill around centro for lunch / coffee then hit up the grills (Conejita or Nueva). Centro Casas route: New Life (3 mil viewing if you don't take a girl), Sexy Amigas, or Zandaly. They all within 3-5 blocks of each other. For addresses, use the posted map. I checked out New Life a few times but never took anyone there.

Zandaly- Beer 5 mil, girl 55 mil for half. Giselle- Thin spinner, she has some type of butt injection so you see marks on her butts, good service, kisses. Cristal- A little bigger than expected, big shaggy tits, recently had a baby, okay service. Estafania- Nice body, fake tits, but cute face. Charlotte- Dark mulata vennie, cute face but the overly done fake ass that doesn't match her thin body kind of a turn off when on d4 jaja, asked for propina. Mia- nice face and body, fake tits with scar marks.

Sexy Amigas. Beer 7 mil, girl 65 mil for half. Estrella- Thin spinner, curly hair, hottest looking girl in there, kisses but no tongue, 50 mil for BBBJ. Daniella- Thick chica, fake tits, but not overly done, standard service.

Went to Conjeta a few times but never sessioned. Checked it out and chill with a beer or two, then went to Nueva. BarrioSpinner sessioned here a few times. Girl wanted 100 mil to 150 mil for half. Beer is 8 or 9 mil.

Nueva Grill- beer / water 8 mil, cost is depend on each girl. Maria Jose- 21 yo, very thin and short vennie with braces, 75 mil half. She was actually quite friendly and engaging with the conversation afterward. These girls after I cannot make up the names because it was hard to hear with loud music. 2nd chica is from Bello- this girl looks a bit masculine from afar with the club light but when she is close, she's a good looking chica, thin spinner, with great smile, 80 mil half. She has a few small tattoos and one between the collar bones. 3rd chica- thin spinner, she has a crown tattoo on her right butt. This chica got into it, does DT and sucked pretty well, but talked too much, asked for propina. Genesis (I think) - thin spinner, she comes with her older sister who is slightly thicker. She has a heart tattoo on her left arm, and her older sister has a wraparound tattoo on the left thigh. Only negative is when doing d4, she kept pushing her ass to me and it was hard for me to get any thrust.[/QUOTE]Good report man glad you enjoyed. Let's bring this forum back to life w actual pussy discussion. I just bookd for this Fri and will stay for 10 days. One of my regulars convinced me and your report helped LOL.

I know a few independent girls that do bareback with me and I myself prefer it. I would not think that Casa's would be a good place for this, you would want the low volume independent girls that do this on occassion. Message me for details.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2787581]Vere interesting. Could you tell me if girls allow you to bareback?[/QUOTE]

I rent AirBnB's on all of my trips to Medellin. My first trip I stayed in El Poblado and the last 5 trips Laureles. There are tons of Bars in Laureles on the Setenta although getting a place too close to the Setenta would be really noisy until around 4:00 am. I usually try to be around 6 blocks away from the action. Make sure you vette your AirBnB and make sure they are guest friendly before reserving.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2787420]I am not seeing reports of guys renting AirBnBs in Medellin. Is AirBnB a good coice for a longer stay?

In what colonia are the bars? I wouldn't want to rent a long term place too far from the action.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LeoAiolia;2787529] As for Airbnb, I have found some that appear to be friendly, but seems they are located in noisy areas and might not be as clean as advertised; any good experiences with Airbnb?[/QUOTE]Miamiboy suggested airbnb for me 3/33 great location and walking distance to whatever you need. I had 3 girls per day visit me and no issue with front desk and no extra charge for the girl.

Enjoy.

Low volume.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2787767]I know a few independent girls that do bareback with me and I myself prefer it. I would not think that Casa's would be a good place for this, you would want the low volume independent girls that do this on occassion. Message me for details.[/QUOTE]

The American media personality Megyn Kelly does not approve of our lifestyle [URL]https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/megyn-kelly-blasts-leonardo-dicaprio-for-banging-teenagers/[/URL].

[QUOTE=OnePocketWill;2787044]Let's make sure everyone understands the park is being remodeled yes! But everything around is open and girls all around etc. It's not closed![/QUOTE]Parque LLeras is not accessible. It is barricaded. It is indeed closed.

Yes, it is being remodeled and yes the streets and bars around it are generally open. Much of the action is on Calle 10.

[QUOTE=Vinny78;2787735]Thank you Flowstate for the detailed info, I am nub, can you please tell me how is 55 Mil in USD. I am little confused.[/QUOTE]You can just use [URL]Xe.com[/URL] convert COP to USD. 55 mil is 55000 col pesos or 11.55 usd. Mil is a thousand in spanish.

I stayed at a airbnb on my recent trip. Located above the city in las palmas with a breathtaking view of medellin, many have said its the best view of the city on airbnb and I can't see any other property that's better located for this. It was a really nice high rise on the 16th floor out of 17 and security was located at the front gate. Visitors have to have cedula and they take a picture of each visitor thru a security camera. Also was only a 5-10 min ride to provenza. I believe la isla was only walking distance but I didn't have time to visit, I'm sure it would be very convenient to take isla girls back to this place. Roughly around 130 usd a night so not too bad. The only downside was only 1 guest is allowed at one time, so if you're looking to do trios I suggest someplace else other than airbnbs because most won't allow more than 1 guest at a time.

You can tell the hot manager that you don't want presentation then you don't have to pay. This is when you go with a friend and you don't plan to session. I remember that viewing fee is 4 mil.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2787581]Vere interesting. Could you tell me if girls allow you to bareback?[/QUOTE]Depends on the girl and it will cost extra but yes just have to ask them individually.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2787925]Depends on the girl and it will cost extra but yes just have to ask them individually.[/QUOTE]I'm going to Medellin next month, and I already asked many girls on facebook who are totally OK to fuck bareback! Even some colombian pornstars!

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2787493]

Ellas Erotic [URL]https://ellaserotic.com/models/prepagos/[/URL]

[/QUOTE]Solid report, thanks. I was a regular at Ellas Erotic when they first opened. Service was really good. Since I was having sessions there regularly, they treated me well. Maybe things have changed, but I plan on visiting them again to see if they would treat me like before.

One thing which I have noticed is that every single first hand (not something heard from someone, etc) account of scopolamine attacks which I have been able to find online.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2762340[/URL]#post2762340.

[URL]https://youtu.be/4D8CHyaJTfg[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Involves a non-pro. There is never any discussion about paying for the date. The girl is allegedly just interested in a normal date / hook up (even if he is 54 and she is 28!) and then everything goes black for the victim and when he regains consciousness all his money is gone.

Is it fair to assume that a WGs, whether met on the street, Tinder, Facebook, seeking or whatever, are very very unlikely to drug you? Could this be because she has a job, she doesn't want to get arrested or get a bad reputation online and therefore she doesn't want to get involved in the drugging and robbing business?

I had a good time when I went to Ellas back in January. I saw Zoe and she was a pro in the good sense of the word (I. E. Good at her job and good people skills). I don't know if their lineup is as extensive as they claim I actually asked who else was working when I showed up (I misbooked at Colores instead of there) and they showed me Zoe and another chica. That might be my one critique. But I would definitely go back, especially if I stay in Santa Monica again as the America location was only 5 minute walk from my apartment.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2787967]Solid report, thanks. I was a regular at Ellas Erotic when they first opened. Service was really good. Since I was having sessions there regularly, they treated me well. Maybe things have changed, but I plan on visiting them again to see if they would treat me like before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2787926]I'm going to Medellin next month, and I already asked many girls on facebook who are totally OK to fuck bareback! Even some colombian pornstars![/QUOTE]I will give you my experience and I think this is more accurate. Some girls will bare back, most girls will not. This is my experience with Facebook girls. If you ask 10, maybe 3 or perhaps 4 will say yes. It is not the case that all girls or even most girls will say yes. Unlike the Philippines, the girls here seem to more aware of the risks of barebacking and they are concerned about catching STDs. Your rate of success will depend upon which girls you are asking, of course.

But the lure of money is very strong, and so it is true that if you ask enough girls, you will be able to be bareback enough girls for your trip. But don't expect most girls to agree. Some girls were asked for a higher rate for barebacking.

[QUOTE=Vinny78;2787735]Thank you Flowstate for the detailed info, I am nub, can you please tell me how is 55 Mil in USD. I am little confused.[/QUOTE]Current exchange rate is 4750 COP per dollar. For estimates I use 4500 to 1. 55 mil is 55,000 (mil or k means thousand). At today's rate is under $12 USD. At my approximation rate, it's a bit over $12.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2787811]The American media personality Megyn Kelly does not approve of our lifestyle [URL]https://nypost.com/2023/02/08/megyn-kelly-blasts-leonardo-dicaprio-for-banging-teenagers/[/URL].[/QUOTE]That's fair. I've never approved of her.

You hear women saying how terrible it is all the time, but put a bunch of them together and put on a movie with some young stud barely dressed and you'll need a mop.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787824]I stayed at a airbnb on my recent trip. Located above the city in las palmas with a breathtaking view of medellin, many have said its the best view of the city on airbnb and I can't see any other property that's better located for this. It was a really nice high rise on the 16th floor out of 17 and security was located at the front gate. Visitors have to have cedula and they take a picture of each visitor thru a security camera. Also was only a 5-10 min ride to provenza. I believe la isla was only walking distance but I didn't have time to visit, I'm sure it would be very convenient to take isla girls back to this place. Roughly around 130 usd a night so not too bad. The only downside was only 1 guest is allowed at one time, so if you're looking to do trios I suggest someplace else other than airbnbs because most won't allow more than 1 guest at a time.[/QUOTE]It's walking distance to Provenza, but the walk back is a pain.

Multiple girls take to Motel Ibiza. Less risk, more room and a stripper pole.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2787868]You can tell the hot manager that you don't want presentation then you don't have to pay. This is when you go with a friend and you don't plan to session. I remember that viewing fee is 4 mil.[/QUOTE]Or just buy a beer. If I'm going with a friend and I'll be waiting, ill get a beer and enjoy the parade every time the lineup comes out.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2787926]I'm going to Medellin next month, and I already asked many girls on facebook who are totally OK to fuck bareback! Even some colombian pornstars![/QUOTE]What's offered in messages before you're in Colombia is often much different from what is offered when the girl is standing in front of you.

The girl's goal is to get into your room. She doesn't get paid if she doesn't get in your room (unless you're foolish enough to pay in advance). Many will say yes to anything to get in the door.

Also consider, saying "no", or directly contradicting someone goes against Colombian social norms. A better approach is to draw them out on subjects. Instead of direct yes / no questions. Ask what they like, work them around to talking about a subject.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788037]What's offered in messages before you're in Colombia is often much different from what is offered when the girl is standing in front of you.

The girl's goal is to get into your room. She doesn't get paid if she doesn't get in your room (unless you're foolish enough to pay in advance). Many will say yes to anything to get in the door.

Also consider, saying "no", or directly contradicting someone goes against Colombian social norms. A better approach is to draw them out on subjects. Instead of direct yes / no questions. Ask what they like, work them around to talking about a subject.[/QUOTE]Also keep in mind many of the accounts are fake and they never have any intention of ever coming to your place, they will agree to anything and will try to get you to send money beforehand.

I'm seeing so many fake profiles. I have a tiktok account where I follow a bunch of sexy girls, which I'm sure you many of you do as well. Well as I was browsing fb adding chicas, I saw one of the tiktok girls on fb. Messaged her, asked her how much for her to come over. She said 250. I confirmed it was indeed 250 mil pesos and not USD. Well I thought damn, I get to be with a semi famous tiktok girl. We continue to message on whatsapp. She wants 250 plus 50 each way for taxi. Well that's 350. Far off from 250. So I tell her I normally pay 200 + taxi. She says that since its the first time she will pay for her own taxi 1 way and only charge me 50 for the other way. How kind! Okay, I ask to video call. I call but she doesn't pick up. Instead she sends me more fotos and a video of "herself". She's hot enough, I say okay, just come over, Ill meet her at a public spot so if she's not who she says she is, I can ditch her. Then it comes. She sends me her nequis phone number and asks me to send her 50 k for her taxi before she comes over. BAM! Scam!

Anatomy of a scam:

- semi famous tiktoker / instagram girl.

- does not want to videocall.

- asks for money before hand.

GoodBYE!

Its actually really quite suprising how many girls I recognize from tiktok that I have randomly encountered on facebook.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2787991]I will give you my experience and I think this is more accurate. Some girls will bare back, most girls will not. This is my experience with Facebook girls. If you ask 10, maybe 3 or perhaps 4 will say yes. It is not the case that all girls or even most girls will say yes. Unlike the Philippines, the girls here seem to more aware of the risks of barebacking and they are concerned about catching STDs. Your rate of success will depend upon which girls you are asking, of course.

But the lure of money is very strong, and so it is true that if you ask enough girls, you will be able to be bareback enough girls for your trip. But don't expect most girls to agree. Some girls were asked for a higher rate for barebacking.[/QUOTE]I don't have any problem to pay more for barebacking. In fact I don't care of the price. All what I want is a young sexy lady 18/25 who will let me do BBFS. It can be 50 ? 100 ? Or Even 300 ? If the girl doesn bareback and is nice with me, no problem for me to pay.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2787967]Solid report, thanks. I was a regular at Ellas Erotic when they first opened. Service was really good. Since I was having sessions there regularly, they treated me well. Maybe things have changed, but I plan on visiting them again to see if they would treat me like before.[/QUOTE]How does it work this website Ellaserotic? Do we need to call them to book a girl before? I went on their website and I'm very interested in Angel, Samantha and Lorena. Did you meet them? How much do they ask to fuck? Do they accept BBFS if we pay more?

I don't find their adress on the website.

Can you tell me more? Are they exactly the girls of the pictures? Or they use photoshop a lot?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788034]It's walking distance to Provenza, but the walk back is a pain.

Multiple girls take to Motel Ibiza. Less risk, more room and a stripper pole.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't recommend walking.

I'm thinking energy living for my next trip, I heard they are fine with trios.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788035]Or just buy a beer. If I'm going with a friend and I'll be waiting, ill get a beer and enjoy the parade every time the lineup comes out.[/QUOTE]Then it will cost you about 8 mil, instead of 4 to get the same thing.

The person that your messaging may be a dude that works for organized crime or a casa.

One time I thought I was messaging a tall Vennie and she had all the goodies that I was looking for on Milerotico. I invite her to my AirBnB a block from Parque Lleras, she shows up and I asked her about some of the things on the ad and and messaged stuff she had a blank look and did not understand what I was asking about. (BTW I do speak Spanish). At that point I figured out that she must be working for an agency or something like that. We get down to business and I really did enjoy my session with her. So afterwards we were chatting at the table and I asked her for her WhatsApp phone number and she gave it to me. Later on in the evening I started getting strange messages on my WhatsApp from her. A picture of an elderly man (some family resemblance to the girl). Then a picture of a man walking up to the Pearly Gates. Well that really freaked me out and I deleted her number pretty quick.

I stick with the Independents now and one thing that I do to help me filter out the ads is run the phone number on the Milerotico search and if more than 1 girl shows up in the ads I move on. Another thing that I'll do is Google the phone number without the Country code and sometimes you can find local reviews on them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788037]What's offered in messages before you're in Colombia is often much different from what is offered when the girl is standing in front of you.

The girl's goal is to get into your room. She doesn't get paid if she doesn't get in your room (unless you're foolish enough to pay in advance). Many will say yes to anything to get in the door.

Also consider, saying "no", or directly contradicting someone goes against Colombian social norms. A better approach is to draw them out on subjects. Instead of direct yes / no questions. Ask what they like, work them around to talking about a subject.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2787980]One thing which I have noticed is that every single first hand (not something heard from someone, etc) account of scopolamine attacks which I have been able to find online.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2762340[/URL]#post2762340.

[URL]https://youtu.be/4D8CHyaJTfg[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Involves a non-pro. There is never any discussion about paying for the date. The girl is allegedly just interested in a normal date / hook up (even if he is 54 and she is 28!) and then everything goes black for the victim and when he regains consciousness all his money is gone.

Is it fair to assume that a WGs, whether met on the street, Tinder, Facebook, seeking or whatever, are very very unlikely to drug you? Could this be because she has a job, she doesn't want to get arrested or get a bad reputation online and therefore she doesn't want to get involved in the drugging and robbing business?[/QUOTE]It's not safe to assume anything.

However, I'll assume that many guys don't want to publicly declare they were trying to fuck a hooker and got drugged and robbed.

The first thing a good gun safety course should teach is the gun is always loaded until you have personally verified it's not loaded. If you hand the gun to someone and they hand it back, it's once again a loaded gun until you check it again. It should be automatic, every time you pick up a gun, you verify whether or not it's loaded.

That's the basic idea with your drink. It doesn't matter who you're drinking with. If the drink leaves your sight, or leaves your control treat it as if it's been loaded.

How many times do we have to go over this? Do not pay up front. Don't do it.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2788077]Also keep in mind many of the accounts are fake and they never have any intention of ever coming to your place, they will agree to anything and will try to get you to send money beforehand.

I'm seeing so many fake profiles. I have a tiktok account where I follow a bunch of sexy girls, which I'm sure you many of you do as well. Well as I was browsing fb adding chicas, I saw one of the tiktok girls on fb. Messaged her, asked her how much for her to come over. She said 250. I confirmed it was indeed 250 mil pesos and not USD. Well I thought damn, I get to be with a semi famous tiktok girl. We continue to message on whatsapp. She wants 250 plus 50 each way for taxi. Well that's 350. Far off from 250. So I tell her I normally pay 200 + taxi. She says that since its the first time she will pay for her own taxi 1 way and only charge me 50 for the other way. How kind! Okay, I ask to video call. I call but she doesn't pick up. Instead she sends me more fotos and a video of "herself". She's hot enough, I say okay, just come over, Ill meet her at a public spot so if she's not who she says she is, I can ditch her. Then it comes. She sends me her nequis phone number and asks me to send her 50 k for her taxi before she comes over. BAM! Scam!

Anatomy of a scam:

- semi famous tiktoker / instagram girl.

- does not want to videocall.

- asks for money before hand.

GoodBYE!

Its actually really quite suprising how many girls I recognize from tiktok that I have randomly encountered on facebook.[/QUOTE]

Nothing personal but I think what you suggested is a foolish assumption.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2787980]One thing which I have noticed is that every single first hand (not something heard from someone, etc) account of scopolamine attacks which I have been able to find online.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2762340[/URL]#post2762340.

[URL]https://youtu.be/4D8CHyaJTfg[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Involves a non-pro. There is never any discussion about paying for the date. The girl is allegedly just interested in a normal date / hook up (even if he is 54 and she is 28!) and then everything goes black for the victim and when he regains consciousness all his money is gone.

Is it fair to assume that a WGs, whether met on the street, Tinder, Facebook, seeking or whatever, are very very unlikely to drug you? Could this be because she has a job, she doesn't want to get arrested or get a bad reputation online and therefore she doesn't want to get involved in the drugging and robbing business?[/QUOTE]

It depends on the AirBnB, The last one I had the guest limit was 6, ready for that 5 some.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2787824]I stayed at a airbnb on my recent trip. Located above the city in las palmas with a breathtaking view of medellin, many have said its the best view of the city on airbnb and I can't see any other property that's better located for this. It was a really nice high rise on the 16th floor out of 17 and security was located at the front gate. Visitors have to have cedula and they take a picture of each visitor thru a security camera. Also was only a 5-10 min ride to provenza. I believe la isla was only walking distance but I didn't have time to visit, I'm sure it would be very convenient to take isla girls back to this place. Roughly around 130 usd a night so not too bad. The only downside was only 1 guest is allowed at one time, so if you're looking to do trios I suggest someplace else other than airbnbs because most won't allow more than 1 guest at a time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2788114]The person that your messaging may be a dude that works for organized crime or a casa.

One time I thought I was messaging a tall Vennie and she had all the goodies that I was looking for on Milerotico. I invite her to my AirBnB a block from Parque Lleras, she shows up and I asked her about some of the things on the ad and and messaged stuff she had a blank look and did not understand what I was asking about. (BTW I do speak Spanish). At that point I figured out that she must be working for an agency or something like that. We get down to business and I really did enjoy my session with her. So afterwards we were chatting at the table and I asked her for her WhatsApp phone number and she gave it to me. Later on in the evening I started getting strange messages on my WhatsApp from her. A picture of an elderly man (some family resemblance to the girl). Then a picture of a man walking up to the Pearly Gates. Well that really freaked me out and I deleted her number pretty quick.

I stick with the Independents now and one thing that I do to help me filter out the ads is run the phone number on the Milerotico search and if more than 1 girl shows up in the ads I move on. Another thing that I'll do is Google the phone number without the Country code and sometimes you can find local reviews on them.[/QUOTE]I found that out when I went to a casa in laurales late at night. Girl had no clue what we had agreed on prior to meeting, I messaged the number calling them out on their lie and walked out and my night turned out to be better because I picked up a really hot brick house vennie at a club in lleras. A easier way to find out if a girl is a independent or agency girl is by messaging several and if you get the same pretty much word for word generic message from several of them than you'll know which ones are agency, don't even bother asking them questions because its somebody who is replying back for all the agency girls.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2787980]One thing which I have noticed is that every single first hand (not something heard from someone, etc) account of scopolamine attacks which I have been able to find online.

Involves a non-pro. There is never any discussion about paying for the date. The girl is allegedly just interested in a normal date / hook up (even if he is 54 and she is 28!) and then everything goes black for the victim and when he regains consciousness all his money is gone.

Is it fair to assume that a WGs, whether met on the street, Tinder, Facebook, seeking or whatever, are very very unlikely to drug you? Could this be because she has a job, she doesn't want to get arrested or get a bad reputation online and therefore she doesn't want to get involved in the drugging and robbing business?[/QUOTE]The scenario you describe is indeed how it happened to me. But all of those girls you listed are pros. Including the girls that go on dates and drug and rob people; they are professional robbers.

What is a casa girl's typical work hours like? 6 days a week, 4 pm-12 pm sound right to anyone? Casas must have a standard, otherwise they can't rely on a girl to show up.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2787980]One thing which I have noticed is that every single first hand (not something heard from someone, etc) account of scopolamine attacks which I have been able to find online.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2762340[/URL]#post2762340.

[URL]https://youtu.be/4D8CHyaJTfg[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Involves a non-pro. There is never any discussion about paying for the date. The girl is allegedly just interested in a normal date / hook up (even if he is 54 and she is 28!) and then everything goes black for the victim and when he regains consciousness all his money is gone.

Is it fair to assume that a WGs, whether met on the street, Tinder, Facebook, seeking or whatever, are very very unlikely to drug you? Could this be because she has a job, she doesn't want to get arrested or get a bad reputation online and therefore she doesn't want to get involved in the drugging and robbing business?[/QUOTE]The organized gangs that do this pose as prostitutes or not. Whatever suits the situation. But when there are standing offers to working girls to scope their clients I would say that of the thousands of cases most involve working girls. That is where the opportunity is.

Working girls are contacted and told that if they can scope a customer and then call the number and let the gang in the door they will get a much larger payoff than just what they have been paid. Even if only a small percentage of working girls become part of this it is a huge risk factor for potential customers. And this is happening.

Some casa's have only staffed girls and some have staffed and independents that will rent space there. Some Casas are only space that independents rent with no management. If you have a certain girl that you would like to session with you it would be wise to make an appointment with the casa or girl beforehand. Hours would depend on the Casa and girls typical hours could be all over the place, part time, full time, independent.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2788229]What is a casa girl's typical work hours like? 6 days a week, 4 pm-12 pm sound right to anyone? Casas must have a standard, otherwise they can't rely on a girl to show up.[/QUOTE]

Gents. Anyone know of a good place to watch the Super Bowl? Preferably with eye candy and hopefully some volume up on the game too.

Please let me know!

[QUOTE=Tasss;2788229]What is a casa girl's typical work hours like? 6 days a week, 4 pm-12 pm sound right to anyone? Casas must have a standard, otherwise they can't rely on a girl to show up.[/QUOTE]Its usually around 9/10 am to 6/7 pm. Might be 5/6/7 days per week.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2788231]The organized gangs that do this pose as prostitutes or not. Whatever suits the situation. But when there are standing offers to working girls to scope their clients I would say that of the thousands of cases most involve working girls. That is where the opportunity is.[/QUOTE]Considering that Medellin is the world's number 1 sex tourism destination (based on the number of posts on this site) and so much of the sex between gringos and Paisas is pay for play, which is legal, I would have thought that the drugging and robbery victims would be 90% mongers.

I was surprised however that so far (and I've just started researching this) every single first hand account of drugging and robbing involves a non-pro. Someone meets a young woman usually on tinder but maybe at a bar, no payment is requested, they head to his place for some privacy and suddenly it's two days later and everything is gone.

Here's my theory however if someone can prove me wrong please do.

Unless you're Brad Pitt a Medellin nonpro is not going to have sex with you for free on the first date. If she's agreeing to go to bed with you she wants money. If she's a WG so you agree on a price and it's all good. If she's not a WG then she's still going to get paid. She's going to rob you.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788304]Considering that Medellin is the world's number 1 sex tourism destination (based on the number of posts on this site) and so much of the sex between gringos and Paisas is pay for play, which is legal, I would have thought that the drugging and robbery victims would be 90% mongers.

I was surprised however that so far (and I've just started researching this) every single first hand account of drugging and robbing involves a non-pro. Someone meets a young woman usually on tinder but maybe at a bar, no payment is requested, they head to his place for some privacy and suddenly it's two days later and everything is gone.

Here's my theory however if someone can prove me wrong please do.

Unless you're Brad Pitt a Medellin nonpro is not going to have sex with you for free on the first date. If she's agreeing to go to bed with you she wants money. If she's a WG so you agree on a price and it's all good. If she's not a WG then she's still going to get paid. She's going to rob you.[/QUOTE]It was several years ago when I read somewhere on a Colombian site about the 50 to 100,000 scopolamine poisonings per year in Colombia. So certainly many, or most, would be Colombian. Every person I know of that has been scoped it was by working girls. But, being that all of those people are mongers that also is not surprising. We were also told by a police captain in Medellin that this is very common with working girls in Parque Lleras, for example. Someone else on this site also mentioned that girls had told him that they were given a standing offer, that if they would do the scoping then the gang would give them a piece of the profit, so basically they could scope someone if the opportunity arose, or perhaps if they were pissed at that client. They carried the drug, and all they needed to do was slip it in a drink, call these guys, leave the door open, and leave.

Anyway, I read your initial post to suggest that working girls are less likely to be involved in scoping. I don't think that is a safe assumption, as they are more likely to be in a position to drug clients than anyone else.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788304]Considering that Medellin is the world's number 1 sex tourism destination (based on the number of posts on this site) and so much of the sex between gringos and Paisas is pay for play, which is legal, I would have thought that the drugging and robbery victims would be 90% mongers.

I was surprised however that so far (and I've just started researching this) every single first hand account of drugging and robbing involves a non-pro. Someone meets a young woman usually on tinder but maybe at a bar, no payment is requested, they head to his place for some privacy and suddenly it's two days later and everything is gone.

Here's my theory however if someone can prove me wrong please do.

Unless you're Brad Pitt a Medellin nonpro is not going to have sex with you for free on the first date. If she's agreeing to go to bed with you she wants money. If she's a WG so you agree on a price and it's all good. If she's not a WG then she's still going to get paid. She's going to rob you.[/QUOTE]Medellin is not the world's number 1 sex tourism destination. Thailand is much bigger a destination. I don't think it is even in the top 5. The number of posts on this site only indicates that guys are more likely to post about Medellin on this website and not that it is the world's biggest sex tourism destination.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2788351]Every person I know of that has been scoped it was by working girls. But, being that all of those people are mongers that also is not surprising. We were also told by a police captain in Medellin that this is very common with working girls in Parque Lleras, for example.
Anyway, I read your initial post to suggest that working girls are less likely to be involved in scoping. I don't think that is a safe assumption, as they are more likely to be in a position to drug clients than anyone else.[/QUOTE]That makes sense to me. After all if you're a WG why settle for $60 from sex when you can get $6,000 from robbery? It's just interesting that not one of those victims to my knowledge has put their story on the internet. I would expect to seek in capital letters all over this forum and the rest of the internet: AVOID COLOMBIAN WOMEN EXCEPT IN A BROTHEL. You can assume, hopefully, that the brothel (or strip club, massage clinic or whatever they choose to call it) manager won't want to destroy his business with a drugged and robbed incident. But anywhere else, who knows? Are you going to stop consuming liquids during your entire visit?

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788374]That makes sense to me. After all if you're a WG why settle for $60 from sex when you can get $6,000 from robbery? It's just interesting that not one of those victims to my knowledge has put their story on the internet. I would expect to seek in capital letters all over this forum and the rest of the internet: AVOID COLOMBIAN WOMEN EXCEPT IN A BROTHEL. You can assume, hopefully, that the brothel (or strip club, massage clinic or whatever they choose to call it) manager won't want to destroy his business with a drugged and robbed incident. But anywhere else, who knows? Are you going to stop consuming liquids during your entire visit?[/QUOTE]Mongers are not ready to tell the world that they are mongers. So you won't find these stories on the internet very often. Guys I know that got scoped barely will admit it to their best friends let alone wife, family, kids back home, etc.

The casas, and clubs, generally would be safer. I know the bars tend to watch out for their customers as well. They will open drinks in front of you so you know it wasn't tampered with, and try to protect their clients in general.

So with consuming liquids. Open the bottle yourself then you know if it was properly sealed. Don't let anyone bring you an open drink. It is very hard to get scoped if you don't ingest it in a drink. Take your drink with you if you go to the bathroom. Or get the bartender to put it in a safe place for you until you get back.

And if you want to risk a date on Tinder or something make sure you get a picture of the ID and the woman and send them to a friend. Adds a bit of disincentive if a chica may be thinking of something harmful to you. See the chica in a place that takes pictures and verifies the cedula of anyone with you. These don't guarantee safety, but go a long ways.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2788355]Medellin is not the world's number 1 sex tourism destination. Thailand is much bigger a destination. I don't think it is even in the top 5.[/QUOTE]You do not need to know where to go in Thailand. You simply show up and you are in the middle of everything.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2788401]Mongers are not ready to tell the world that they are mongers. So you won't find these stories on the internet very often. Guys I know that got scoped barely will admit it to their best friends let alone wife, family, kids back home, etc.[/QUOTE]On this forum I think no one would be embarrassed to say that they met a WG and got drugged and robbed. But no one has said it. The one person here who tells his story specifically says it was a non-pro. It's strange.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2762340[/URL]#post2762340.

About drinks, this fellow says that he went to a hotel room with a non-pro whom he had met on Tinder. He was given a sealed aluminum can of beer. He wiped the top of the can with his shirt then opened the beer and drank. He awoke three days later with $7,000 missing.

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w?t=468[/URL]

Anyway, here is my personal plan. Land in Medellin. Take a taxi which I have reserved in advance through [URL]booking.com[/URL] to my airbnb in El Poblado. Stay there for a week with a girl who I have already met through [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. Probably go out to some clubs with her if she wants to. Give her a million pesos at the beginning of each day. That sounds fair to me for the company of a beautiful college aged girl. Take the taxi back to the airport and go home.

As soon as I arrive in my room but before anyone else shows up, I'll take some duct tape. Put my passport and $200 into an envelope. Tape that to the back of a picture or the back of the TV screen. If anything horrible happens, I will have money for food and I will be able to board my return flight.

Not sure if anyone brought tickets for Super Bowl party, but I just received email saying only quests now can attend, something to do with with fire department estipulations, their now not allowed to have more then 100 people at a time on property! Hmmmmm,

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2788355]Medellin is not the world's number 1 sex tourism destination. Thailand is much bigger a destination. I don't think it is even in the top 5. The number of posts on this site only indicates that guys are more likely to post about Medellin on this website and not that it is the world's biggest sex tourism destination.[/QUOTE]Colombia is such a beautiful country. In the top 10 (or so?) in the world for stupid gringos to go on marriage tours. ([URL]https://loveme.com/tour/order/latin-tour-order.shtml[/URL]) yet answer me this. Why do girls (madams) refer their girlfriends to me when I am there? Is that not considered pimping?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2788470]Why do girls (madams) refer their girlfriends to me when I am there? Is that not considered pimping?[/QUOTE]Is it pimping for guys here to recommend chicks to each other?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2788470]Colombia is such a beautiful country. In the top 10 (or so?) in the world for stupid gringos to go on marriage tours. ([URL]https://loveme.com/tour/order/latin-tour-order.shtml[/URL]) yet answer me this. Why do girls (madams) refer their girlfriends to me when I am there? Is that not considered pimping?[/QUOTE]You are a client and they want their girlfriends to make some money with you. I also suspect that they are getting a commission from girlfriends if they see you. When I turn down a girl or we can't come to an agreement, sometimes they will recommend a girl who will agree to my terms. I rarely see the referrals because I prefer to do my own research on a girl.

I've been to Medellin 3 times. I can tell you for a fact the best way to not get scoped is avoid bringing girls from parque Llleras, gusto, and online. Especially if it's an apartment. If it's a hotel where they give I'the, it's lower risk. Street girls are your highest risk. Lowest risk is getting a girl from a casa or la isla for later. I have never had an issue if I had a good session with a girl. The best part about Medellin is the flake rate for hotel after work is much lower than Mexico or Brazil. Mexico flake rate from hk is 90%, Brazil is 50%, Medellin is a surprisingly 20% in my experiences. If you are renting an apartment be very careful bringing those types home.

I would think that one would have to me getting paid or benefit from the service provided by the girl to be considered a pimp. I have been known to recommend girls that I like but never considered myself a pimp. If I was it were true it would be a really bad business model.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2788480]Is it pimping for guys here to recommend chicks to each other?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2788355]Medellin is not the world's number 1 sex tourism destination. Thailand is much bigger a destination. I don't think it is even in the top 5. The number of posts on this site only indicates that guys are more likely to post about Medellin on this website and not that it is the world's biggest sex tourism destination.[/QUOTE]Total agreement here. The high number of posts in the Medellin thread indicates only that proximal to the United States, it is the closest and lowest hanging fruit. As for size-for all intents and purposes the entire city of Pattaya in Thailand is a red-light district. In the Western Hemisphere, Rio de Janeiro has far more P2 P options. Columbia is cheap and close- and some mongers prefer Latinas to Asians and don't mind covered sex. The lower Forum activity in the Bangkok and Pattaya thread indicate to me that the logistics are so easy relative to MDE and others such that intel / recon is less necessary. Also the place is flooded with mongers, so there's not as much need to search for camaraderie online.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788409] Anyway, here is my personal plan. Land in Medellin. Take a taxi which I have reserved in advance through [URL]booking.com[/URL] to my airbnb in El Poblado. Stay there for a week with a girl who I have already met through [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. Probably go out to some clubs with her if she wants to. Give her a million pesos at the beginning of each day. That sounds fair to me for the company of a beautiful college aged girl. Take the taxi back to the airport and go home.

As soon as I arrive in my room but before anyone else shows up, I'll take some duct tape. Put my passport and $200 into an envelope. Tape that to the back of a picture or the back of the TV screen. If anything horrible happens, I will have money for food and I will be able to board my return flight.[/QUOTE]You already fucked up when you mentioned taxi. Don't use taxi. Only Uber or DiDi.

If I was you only keep the girl 2 or 3 days at most. Offer her 500 k with the option for her to stay with you if she wants. Why giver her another 500 k just to sleep.

Give her the money at the end of each day.

The only regret I had was not visiting any pros. Sure the GFE is nice but medellin has some really good pro talent and cheap, on my next trip I hope to partake on that. Also would recommend you find girls in the clubs at lleras if your seeking girl is into trios.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2788567]The lower Forum activity in the Bangkok and Pattaya thread indicate to me that the logistics are so easy relative to MDE and others such that intel / recon is less necessary. Also the place is flooded with mongers, so there's not as much need to search for camaraderie online.[/QUOTE]I think that there is something about Latinas which other women just haven't got. That's my personal, although limited, experience so far.

I'm not saying that Medellin is necessarily the world's biggest center of working girls however in terms of having the most men per year visiting from other countries primarily for the purpose of having sex with local women, if Medellin is not #1 it's surely a top contender. The Guinness Book of World Records needs to investigate.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2788567]. The lower Forum activity in the Bangkok and Pattaya thread indicate to me that the logistics are so easy relative to MDE and others such that intel / recon is less necessary. Also the place is flooded with mongers, so there's not as much need to search for camaraderie online.[/QUOTE]There are also several dedicated forums that are extremely popular.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788509]I've been to Medellin 3 times. I can tell you for a fact the best way to not get scoped is avoid bringing girls from parque Llleras, gusto, and online. Especially if it's an apartment. If it's a hotel where they give I'the, it's lower risk. Street girls are your highest risk. Lowest risk is getting a girl from a casa or la isla for later. I have never had an issue if I had a good session with a girl. The best part about Medellin is the flake rate for hotel after work is much lower than Mexico or Brazil. Mexico flake rate from hk is 90%, Brazil is 50%, Medellin is a surprisingly 20% in my experiences. If you are renting an apartment be very careful bringing those types home.[/QUOTE]I hate "facts", especially when someone has to stress they are "facts" instead of conclusions based on their experience. Don't get worked up.

Many apartments have tighter entry security than some hotels. Some hotels you're able to bypass security with a girl. Each person should consider the level of security which they feel is necessary. There are advantages to both apartments and hotels, depending on each person's situation.

Any girl is a potential risk. The biggest risk appears to be Tinder, but it's a bad idea to assume a girl is safe because of where you found her. Your focus should be on not providing the opportunity to anyone. It also means not letting everyone know you're a good target. The same advice that's been offered for years still works.

1. Don't advertise your wealth.

2. Don't get wasted.

3. Watch your drink at all times.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2788567]Total agreement here. The high number of posts in the Medellin thread indicates only that proximal to the United States, it is the closest and lowest hanging fruit. As for size-for all intents and purposes the entire city of Pattaya in Thailand is a red-light district. In the Western Hemisphere, Rio de Janeiro has far more P2 P options. Columbia is cheap and close- and some mongers prefer Latinas to Asians and don't mind covered sex. The lower Forum activity in the Bangkok and Pattaya thread indicate to me that the logistics are so easy relative to MDE and others such that intel / recon is less necessary. Also the place is flooded with mongers, so there's not as much need to search for camaraderie online.[/QUOTE]The high number of posts for Medellin and Colombia in general are because this board has been the go to board for these places from a way back. Other boards cover Thailand for example. I don't think you can read anything more into it than that. It's just a history.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788509]I've been to Medellin 3 times. I can tell you for a fact the best way to not get scoped is avoid bringing girls from parque Llleras, gusto, and online. Especially if it's an apartment. If it's a hotel where they give I'the, it's lower risk. Street girls are your highest risk. Lowest risk is getting a girl from a casa or la isla for later. I have never had an issue if I had a good session with a girl. The best part about Medellin is the flake rate for hotel after work is much lower than Mexico or Brazil. Mexico flake rate from hk is 90%, Brazil is 50%, Medellin is a surprisingly 20% in my experiences. If you are renting an apartment be very careful bringing those types home.[/QUOTE]What do you mean "flake" rate by hk in mexico? Are you saying the odds of a girl meeting you outside of the club?

I'm a bit skeptical about the drugging and robbing issue in Medellin.

My question is this: Is it a greater risk than risk of traffic accidents in the US?

Unofficial estimates put the number of annual scopolamine incidents in Colombia at approximately 50,000. /.

[URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20130315175638/https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12118[/URL]

During the first half of 2022,*El Poblado experienced*2 homicides and 1587 thefts from persons.

[URL]https://www.medellinadvisors.com/homicide-theft-in-medellin-2022-mid-year-figures/[/URL]

These are the only statistics which seem at all relevant which I can find.

There were 42,915 motor vehicle deaths in the US in 2021. Approximately 4. 8 million people were seriously injured in automobile collisions in the US in 2020. The US has about six and a half times the population of Colombia.

Is anyone avoiding traveling in a motor vehicle in the United States because of traffic accidents? It's definitely possible to be killed or severely injured when driving in the United States. It happens many times each day. However the odds of it happening to you aren't really very high.

I would say, if you drive in the US wear a seatbelt, follow traffic regulations, don't drink and drive. In Medellin if a girl offers free sex on the first date politely but quickly walk away. I don't think that more anxiety than that is rational.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788577]You already fucked up when you mentioned taxi. Don't use taxi. Only Uber or DiDi.

If I was you only keep the girl 2 or 3 days at most. Offer her 500 k with the option for her to stay with you if she wants. Why giver her another 500 k just to sleep.

Give her the money at the end of each day.

The only regret I had was not visiting any pros. Sure the GFE is nice but medellin has some really good pro talent and cheap, on my next trip I hope to partake on that. Also would recommend you find girls in the clubs at lleras if your seeking girl is into trios.[/QUOTE]He should only plan on seeing the girl for 2 to 3 hours the first day. Planning an overnight with a girl you haven't met is a bad move. Planning to have her stay for the whole trip is crazy. It's a lot easier to get a girl to stay longer or come back than it is to convince her to leave without all the money she's expecting.

Payment should not be until you're ready for her to leave, whether she's there for 1 hour or 1 week. Going in with a set price that seems fair is not the best approach, especially if you're talking multiple days. Instead decide on a fair short-term rate. If you decide to keep her for the night, you may or may not need to pay more.

BTW, if you had to give the girls money, they were pros.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788582]I think that there is something about Latinas which other women just haven't got. That's my personal, although limited, experience so far.

I'm not saying that Medellin is necessarily the world's biggest center of working girls however in terms of having the most men per year visiting from other countries primarily for the purpose of having sex with local women, if Medellin is not #1 it's surely a top contender. The Guinness Book of World Records needs to investigate.[/QUOTE]Medellin isn't even the biggest center for working girls in Colombia.

There are a few girls I know that collect 50 k from the girls they referred. I don't consider that pimping as they do not work for these girls. More like a one time fee.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2788480]Is it pimping for guys here to recommend chicks to each other?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2788567]Total agreement here. The high number of posts in the Medellin thread indicates only that proximal to the United States, it is the closest and lowest hanging fruit. As for size-for all intents and purposes the entire city of Pattaya in Thailand is a red-light district. In the Western Hemisphere, Rio de Janeiro has far more P2 P options. Columbia is cheap and close- and some mongers prefer Latinas to Asians and don't mind covered sex. The lower Forum activity in the Bangkok and Pattaya thread indicate to me that the logistics are so easy relative to MDE and others such that intel / recon is less necessary. Also the place is flooded with mongers, so there's not as much need to search for camaraderie online.[/QUOTE]Stating that Medellin is the closest is absurd, get out an atlas or a globe, ever heard of Tijuana or San Jose, Costa Rica? Lowest hangin fruit, that is absurd also, nothin is easier than the zona in Tijuana or gringo gulch in San Jose. Medellin takes a little bit of work contacting chicas or headin all over a giant metropolis to find them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788640]I hate "facts", especially when someone has to stress they are "facts" instead of conclusions based on their experience. Don't get worked up.

Many apartments have tighter entry security than some hotels. Some hotels you're able to bypass security with a girl. Each person should consider the level of security which they feel is necessary. There are advantages to both apartments and hotels, depending on each person's situation.

Any girl is a potential risk. The biggest risk appears to be Tinder, but it's a bad idea to assume a girl is safe because of where you found her. Your focus should be on not providing the opportunity to anyone. It also means not letting everyone know you're a good target. The same advice that's been offered for years still works.

1. Don't advertise your wealth.

2. Don't get wasted.

3. Watch your drink at all times.[/QUOTE]Sometimes security is working with the criminals at apartments. They will wait for an American to leave his room and then call their buddies to break in. I met a guy that had everything stolen from his apartment in Rio. That ain't happening at a nice hotel. Front desk people have degrees and speak 2 or 3 languages. Security guards at apartments need a heartbeat. I stayed at Windsor Copacabana and I promise you nobody is getting through there without being stopped by front desk. They are very professional there. I'm not saying it's impossible at nice hotels but apartments in Rio or high risk.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2788706]Stating that Medellin is the closest is absurd, get out an atlas or a globe, ever heard of Tijuana or San Jose, Costa Rica? Lowest hangin fruit, that is absurd also, nothin is easier than the zona in Tijuana or gringo gulch in San Jose. Medellin takes a little bit of work contacting chicas or headin all over a giant metropolis to find them.[/QUOTE]Medellin is the lowest hanging fruit with value and quality- which I took a worldly sophisticated guy such as yourself would understand as a priori to the declarative statement. What is Absurd is the high price of eggs in the USA or a novel by Camus. Where we agree is that it does take a bit of work in MDE, which necessitates the high level of forum activity- which brings us back full circle to where this started, which is to say MDE high post volume does not imply it is a large scene.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788742]Sometimes security is working with the criminals at apartments. They will wait for an American to leave his room and then call their buddies to break in. I met a guy that had everything stolen from his apartment in Rio. That ain't happening at a nice hotel. Front desk people have degrees and speak 2 or 3 languages. Security guards at apartments need a heartbeat. I stayed at Windsor Copacabana and I promise you nobody is getting through there without being stopped by front desk. They are very professional there. I'm not saying it's impossible at nice hotels but apartments in Rio or high risk.[/QUOTE]I once came across an American in Poblado, Medellin who told me that his apartment was robbed and everything he owned in it was stolen. He then asked me for money to buy food.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2788667]What do you mean "flake" rate by hk in mexico? Are you saying the odds of a girl meeting you outside of the club?[/QUOTE]Yes, in my experience Medellin is the best place for outside the club or casa. I was with a 19 yo at a casa with an amazing natural bod. I got her what's app and she said 8 pm. She was right on time and she told me how bored she was at work with few customers. She said she couldn't wait to come to my hotel. Another one was a Deepthroat artist. She came at 9 pm like we agreed. There are many more. HK. Forget it. They say they will come at 6 am when work ends but are so tired and go home. Forget before work because they sleep all day. HK is very difficult. Brazil, like I said, is better, but nothing close to Medellin. The percentages I posted are my own personal experiences. YMMV, If you're hygienic, pleasant, and have a good time with her, they will almost always come after work or day off. Medellin girls need money. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788674]He should only plan on seeing the girl for 2 to 3 hours the first day. Planning an overnight with a girl you haven't met is a bad move. Planning to have her stay for the whole trip is crazy. It's a lot easier to get a girl to stay longer or come back than it is to convince her to leave without all the money she's expecting.
Payment should not be until you're ready for her to leave, whether she's there for 1 hour or 1 week. Going in with a set price that seems fair is not the best approach, especially if you're talking multiple days. Instead decide on a fair short-term rate. If you decide to keep her for the night, you may or may not need to pay more.[/QUOTE]I am not a very experience monger. I just started last July with a trip to Athens, followed by a trip to Barcelona. In both those locations I did the brothel thing and it was a OK. Last month I went to Lisbon and the experience was life changing, for the better. A little background: I'm 62, American, look OK for my age, I'm divorced 10 years and I'm really depressed.

At any rate I went on seeking two weeks before the Lisbon trip. I sent out a lot of messages. I was offering 600 euros per day paid at the beginning of each day for three days. I got some responses. I asked for a video chat. Four agreed. I chose one. She was Brazilian, stated age 25, real age maybe 28. She told me that she had recently arrived from Brazil and was just starting to try pay for play. I think that this was true. She was a very nice normal woman. We spent three days together in an Airbnb in Cascais. It was fantastic. Not just the sex, but the relationship. We watched some movies together. We showered together. We slept together. The experience of sleeping in the same bed with an attractive woman was something I had not experienced in over 20 years.

So this is what I personally am looking for in Colombia. Not just sex although definitely that also, but a mini-relationship, a sort of one week marriage with a gorgeous young woman, minus the screaming, dishes breaking and police running in which seems to be how a lot of real marriages eventually end up today.

I always give the girl the money up front the moment that we meet and I have had success with that, in brothels and seeking. I want the woman to be comfortable, relaxed and happy to be with me and personally this has worked for me.

Here's a link to my friend from Lisbon.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3672dab7-7f99-46ef-a407-f0108fc87498[/URL]

And photos. If you meet her please be kind and respectful.

I found an article in Spanish about drugging and robbing. These are some excerpts with the translation courtesy of Google Translate.

602 people affected by thefts in Medellin, between 2016 and 2018, at the hands of criminals who submitted their will by supplying them with drugs.

Most of the crimes are concentrated in the Center, El Poblado and Laureles, as well as in a commercial sector of Itagüí.

According to the investigation of the Prosecutor's Office, bars, taverns and discos are the places where the most contacts are established between the perpetrator and his victim, with 228 cases in the last two years; Taxis follow (45); social networks (17); and the house of the affected person (14), who is generally a single woman or an old man, where criminals enter asking for a borrowed bathroom or a glass of water.

An important part of those affected are homosexuals, especially in the circuit of the Center of Medellin. Alejandro Gamboa, an activist for human rights and the Lgbti community, believes that "for cultural reasons, the places where same-sex people socialize the most are still partying places, and that makes them more vulnerable to this crime."

The complaints received by the Medellin Prosecutor's Office indicate that in 168 cases the aggressors were men, while 97 were perpetrated by women. Regarding the victims, men bear the worst part, with 358 complaints filed, while women filed 88 (period January 2017-April 2018).

The Secretary of Security of Medellin, Andrés Tobón highlights the importance of self-care: "in places of partying and liquor consumption, it is preferable to be accompanied by trusted people, so that the state of alcoholism does not make us vulnerable. We must bear in mind that on the street not everyone who treats us well is a friend."

[URL]https://m.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/la-ruta-de-la-escopolamina-va-para-donde-haya-rumba-FA10322667[/URL]

Women in Medellin are seldom if ever interested in casual sex with a tourist unless he is paying her. *.

[URL]https://medellinvip.net/how-to-pick-up-women-in-medellin-for-bachelor-party-groups/[/URL]

The few first hand accounts of victims which I have found online have all been foreign men meeting non-pros who were consenting to have sex for free on the first meeting.

This guy got robbed of $7,000 although he was allegedly very careful with his drink.

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w[/URL]

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.

It looks like her plastic surgeon was inspired by the Jessica Rabbit cartoon character.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788840]I am not a very experience monger. I just started last July with a trip to Athens, followed by a trip to Barcelona. In both those locations I did the brothel thing and it was a OK. Last month I went to Lisbon and the experience was life changing, for the better. A little background: I'm 62, American, look OK for my age, I'm divorced 10 years and I'm really depressed.

At any rate I went on seeking two weeks before the Lisbon trip. I sent out a lot of messages. I was offering 600 euros per day paid at the beginning of each day for three days. I got some responses. I asked for a video chat. Four agreed. I chose one. She was Brazilian, stated age 25, real age maybe 28. She told me that she had recently arrived from Brazil and was just starting to try pay for play. I think that this was true. She was a very nice normal woman. We spent three days together in an Airbnb in Cascais. It was fantastic. Not just the sex, but the relationship. We watched some movies together. We showered together. We slept together. The experience of sleeping in the same bed with an attractive woman was something I had not experienced in over 20 years.

So this is what I personally am looking for in Colombia. Not just sex although definitely that also, but a mini-relationship, a sort of one week marriage with a gorgeous young woman, minus the screaming, dishes breaking and police running in which seems to be how a lot of real marriages eventually end up today.

I always give the girl the money up front the moment that we meet and I have had success with that, in brothels and seeking. I want the woman to be comfortable, relaxed and happy to be with me and personally this has worked for me.

Here's a link to my friend from Lisbon.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3672dab7-7f99-46ef-a407-f0108fc87498[/URL]

And photos. If you meet her please be kind and respectful.[/QUOTE]

I think Bogota is the biggest center for working girls and everything else in Colombia.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788675]Medellin isn't even the biggest center for working girls in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788674]He should only plan on seeing the girl for 2 to 3 hours the first day. Planning an overnight with a girl you haven't met is a bad move. Planning to have her stay for the whole trip is crazy. It's a lot easier to get a girl to stay longer or come back than it is to convince her to leave without all the money she's expecting.

Payment should not be until you're ready for her to leave, whether she's there for 1 hour or 1 week. Going in with a set price that seems fair is not the best approach, especially if you're talking multiple days. Instead decide on a fair short-term rate. If you decide to keep her for the night, you may or may not need to pay more.

BTW, if you had to give the girls money, they were pros.[/QUOTE]That is recommended but if you're comfortable enough, have done your homework on the girl and gotten to know each other a bit before actually meeting and you have good security at your place, overnights with someone you just met isn't a problem.

Getting her to leave, all I had to say was that I had plans to meet with a group of people today.

Which is why I recommended you give payment at the end of each day, because if you don't and you decide to pay her when you kick her out, she may not want to leave without receiving what she expected for the so many days she thought she was going to stay.

Pros as in the ones who actually advertise their services on websites or casa girls, not semi pros like Facebook, seeking or club girls.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2788742]Sometimes security is working with the criminals at apartments. They will wait for an American to leave his room and then call their buddies to break in. I met a guy that had everything stolen from his apartment in Rio. That ain't happening at a nice hotel. Front desk people have degrees and speak 2 or 3 languages. Security guards at apartments need a heartbeat. I stayed at Windsor Copacabana and I promise you nobody is getting through there without being stopped by front desk. They are very professional there. I'm not saying it's impossible at nice hotels but apartments in Rio or high risk.[/QUOTE]Wrong country. Although, if you're in a hotel in Rio, you're probably not at risk of being robbed in Medellin.

At most hotels there are maintenance people and a cleaning staff, all with keys to your room. It wasn't too long ago when a BM had his cash stolen by one of the maids. Several times in the past I've been given a key to a room already rented to someone else, or had someone else open the door to my room because the front desk made a mistake. I've also been placed in adjoining rooms with 1 or both doors unlocked, and ground floor rooms with the windows unlocked.

And in Colombia, even in several of the nice hotels I've stayed in, finding someone at the desk who speaks English is at best 50-50.

But the issue isn't whether your risks of being robbed in Medellin when staying in a hotel in Rio are less than when staying in an apartment in Medellin. The issue is taking responsibility for your own security.

If you start assuming you're safe because of where you stay or who you see, you'll get robbed whenever someone has the time. The criminals are pretty busy with all the people who aren't paying attention.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2788810]Medellin is the lowest hanging fruit with value and quality- which I took a worldly sophisticated guy such as yourself would understand as a priori to the declarative statement. What is Absurd is the high price of eggs in the USA or a novel by Camus. Where we agree is that it does take a bit of work in MDE, which necessitates the high level of forum activity- which brings us back full circle to where this started, which is to say MDE high post volume does not imply it is a large scene.[/QUOTE]The people who prefer Sosua or Tijuana think differently. Much of it depends on where you're at in the US.

However, MDE is a large mongering scene, and in 1 area it might be the largest. That would be Facebook. Is there anywhere else with a Facebook scene to rival Medellin? In other areas and overall it's not at the top.

None of that matters. What matters is what you're looking for. Your top mongering scene could be anywhere. It doesn't matter how much I like Medellin if you're looking for tall, blue eyed blondes, or chubby Indian girls.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788840]I am not a very experience monger. I just started last July with a trip to Athens, followed by a trip to Barcelona. In both those locations I did the brothel thing and it was a OK. Last month I went to Lisbon and the experience was life changing, for the better. A little background: I'm 62, American, look OK for my age, I'm divorced 10 years and I'm really depressed.

At any rate I went on seeking two weeks before the Lisbon trip. I sent out a lot of messages. I was offering 600 euros per day paid at the beginning of each day for three days. I got some responses. I asked for a video chat. Four agreed. I chose one. She was Brazilian, stated age 25, real age maybe 28. She told me that she had recently arrived from Brazil and was just starting to try pay for play. I think that this was true. She was a very nice normal woman. We spent three days together in an Airbnb in Cascais. It was fantastic. Not just the sex, but the relationship. We watched some movies together. We showered together. We slept together. The experience of sleeping in the same bed with an attractive woman was something I had not experienced in over 20 years.

So this is what I personally am looking for in Colombia. Not just sex although definitely that also, but a mini-relationship, a sort of one week marriage with a gorgeous young woman, minus the screaming, dishes breaking and police running in which seems to be how a lot of real marriages eventually end up today.

I always give the girl the money up front the moment that we meet and I have had success with that, in brothels and seeking. I want the woman to be comfortable, relaxed and happy to be with me and personally this has worked for me.

Here's a link to my friend from Lisbon.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3672dab7-7f99-46ef-a407-f0108fc87498[/URL]

And photos. If you meet her please be kind and respectful.[/QUOTE]You do what you think is best. Afterwards you can tell us how it went.

Here's a common way it goes in Medellin:

Your new temp wife shows up and you give her enough to cover all her expenses for 1 month and promise 6 months more, paid each day, for another month. She realizes she forgot some things she needs, or she needs to give the money to her mother. Whatever the reason, she needs to leave, but she'll be right back.

After a few hours you start sending messages. She might answer. Chances are, if she does, it's because she figures she can get more money from you. Sometimes it's a family emergency, sick grandmothers are popular. She might come back and you might get your fairytale. Or she might come back and a few days later you wake up and everything is gone.

7 million pesos in Medellin goes a long way towards buying a house. You're ready to give a girl 1 million just to show up and say Hello,. Even if she plays the role perfectly, she might not be right for you.

Set up 3 or 4. Meet 1 for dinner and decide if she's worth a trip to your room. Once you get 1 to the room decide if she's worth keeping overnight. If she's still worth keeping in the morning, make your proposal. Only pay for what she's earned and pay the rest at the end. If she needs to give someone money, have the person come to you. Repeat until you find the right one.

What's working against you is that your plan worked once. Your brain is telling you that you have a winning strategy. Reality is saying you got lucky.

I'm telling you this because I started out with almost exactly the same plan and everyone told me not to do it. They said to get my feet wet before jumping off the cliff. Fortunately, 1 hour into my perfect plan I realized I was making a big mistake. My trip was nothing like I planned, but it ended up being great, because I finally listened.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788848]I found an article in Spanish about drugging and robbing. These are some excerpts with the translation courtesy of Google Translate.

602 people affected by thefts in Medellin, between 2016 and 2018, at the hands of criminals who submitted their will by supplying them with drugs.

Most of the crimes are concentrated in the Center, El Poblado and Laureles, as well as in a commercial sector of Itag.

According to the investigation of the Prosecutor's Office, bars, taverns and discos are the places where the most contacts are established between the perpetrator and his victim, with 228 cases in the last two years; Taxis follow (45); social networks (17); and the house of the affected person (14), who is generally a single woman or an old man, where criminals enter asking for a borrowed bathroom or a glass of water.

An important part of those affected are homosexuals, especially in the circuit of the Center of Medellin. Alejandro Gamboa, an activist for human rights and the Lgbti community, believes that "for cultural reasons, the places where same-sex people socialize the most are still partying places, and that makes them more vulnerable to this crime."

The complaints received by the Medellin Prosecutor's Office indicate that in 168 cases the aggressors were men, while 97 were perpetrated by women. Regarding the victims, men bear the worst part, with 358 complaints filed, while women filed 88 (period January 2017-April 2018).

The Secretary of Security of Medellin, Andrs Tobn highlights the importance of self-care: "in places of partying and liquor consumption, it is preferable to be accompanied by trusted people, so that the state of alcoholism does not make us vulnerable. We must bear in mind that on the street not everyone who treats us well is a friend."

[URL]https://m.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/la-ruta-de-la-escopolamina-va-para-donde-haya-rumba-FA10322667[/URL]

Women in Medellin are seldom if ever interested in casual sex with a tourist unless he is paying her. *.

[URL]https://medellinvip.net/how-to-pick-up-women-in-medellin-for-bachelor-party-groups/[/URL]

The few first hand accounts of victims which I have found online have all been foreign men meeting non-pros who were consenting to have sex for free on the first meeting.

This guy got robbed of $7,000 although he was allegedly very careful with his drink.

[URL]https://youtu.be/6x7u6JSXv_w[/URL]

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.[/QUOTE]Statistics become a lot less important when you become one.

People lie, embellish and bend the facts to put themselves in the best light. Chances are you've done it plenty of times. The more embarrassing the situation, or the greater the consequences, the more likely they are to bend the truth.

What you should be taking from that stuff is:

1. People get drugged and robbed.

2. People get drugged and robbed by people who have access to their drink.

3. A person who can afford international travel to get laid makes a good target.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788848]

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.[/QUOTE]I've had sex with a few nonpros on the first date in Medellin. So I'd disagree that it's rare or that there aren't Paisas out there interested in that. I'd go as far as to say that I'd have missed out on some of my best experiences taking your advice.

Any situation meeting a stranger is not going to be 100% safe but you can mitigate the risk. I like to meet women with a robust social media presence and who seem super open and willing to talk about their lives and backgrounds extensively before we meet. I'm also going to be mindful of where we are meeting (I chose), order transportation myself and keep an eye on drinks etc. If the girl gives me a good vibe, seems to trust me and let me take the lead, and seems like she has nothing to hide during a date I'll consider inviting her to my apartment.

There is no reason why you should be robbed of 7000 dollars because you shouldn't bring that much cash to a third world country in the first place. It's an idiot rookie move. The biggest change I made is getting a Schwab debit card. There is no reason anymore to bring a bunch of cash and convert at a cambio. Just take out the minimum you need for that night from an ATM and Schwab will reimburse you the fees. Back in the day Schwab denied my checking account because my credit sucked. Once they changed their policy a few years ago, and stopped using credit scores for checking, I was able to get approved. Now I never bring a lot of cash.

Today, I have a Schwab and SoFi checking account. Neither charges international fees or cash withdrawal fees. You don't get reimbursed at sofi for ATM convenience fees but everything else is free. Always have 2 checking accounts. You need 2 for backup in case one gets declined because of their BS fraud alerts because you swiped at McDonald's twice in a row which actually happened to me. 2 k in each account and you're gold. If someone scopes you or breaks in they ain't getting much because you shouldn't have much. My last trip I brought a whole 300.00 in cash. That's it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788915]
Here's a common way it goes in Medellin:
Your new temp wife shows up and you give her enough to cover all her expenses for 1 month and promise 6 months more, paid each day, for another month. She realizes she forgot some things she needs, or she needs to give the money to her mother. Whatever the reason, she needs to leave, but she'll be right back.[/QUOTE]I have thought about that. It's certainly possible that I'll hand my seeking girl a million pesos and two minutes later she get's a phone call, her dog was just hit by a car, it's an emergency and she's gone. First of all, if she does that then she's just thrown away the remaining 6 million, so why would she do that, but who knows, it's possible. In that case I just lost a million (that's $210 US) which will not destroy my vacation and I will just open the old laptop, hunt around a little and head off to one of the better brothels, strip clubs etc. I'm in a location with thousands of other options.

So plan A is a mini-relationship. Plan be is the brothels.

The only thing which I am a little uncertain about are the exact prices in Medellin. I am attaching a photo. She is 19. Is a million pesos per day too much? Will it sound suspicious? I'll also spend a few dollars on her for her meals or if we go out to a club however that might be another $30 a day. In a lot of places you would need to pay several hundred dollars or more per hour for this girl. A million sounds low to me. So I am wondering if anyone has an opinion.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2788962]I've had sex with a few nonpros on the first date in Medellin. So I'd disagree that it's rare or that there aren't Paisas out there interested in that. I'd go as far as to say that I'd have missed out on some of my best experiences taking your advice.[/QUOTE]That's really interesting, however is your Spanish fluent? Are you recognizable as a gringo tourist? Were the women about your own age? Did you meet them at a club (which I have heard is really difficult; Colombians come with their own closed friend groups) or in some other situation?

My impression is that a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa because she thinks he's hot is almost unheard of. More frequent seems to be a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa and not remembering anything until two days later.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788902]
However, MDE is a large mongering scene, and in 1 area it might be the largest. That would be Facebook. Is there anywhere else with a Facebook scene to rival Medellin?[/QUOTE]How do you find MDE working girls on facebook?

[QUOTE=Recondite;2788962]I've had sex with a few nonpros on the first date in Medellin......[/QUOTE]It should probably read: "If you are looks challenged and offered sex on the first date, walk away".

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2788848]

My perception is that being drugged and robbed in Medellin is possible, it's statistically very unlikely and if something is too good to be true (free sex on the first date with a hot young Paisa) then it isn't true. Walk away.[/QUOTE]Police reports and stats are one thing, hospital stats are another. If you can find it there was a good article a couple or three years ago on drug poisonings with scopolamine, and the numbers were in the 10's of thousands. Up to 100,000 for the country. I will try to find that and dig it out.

The problem is that for guys seeing prostitutes, and then getting drugged, only a very small number would ever be reported to police. Guys I know that have been scoped in 100% of the cases did NOT report it. They survived, they lost some stuff, and they didn't want the world to know what happened.

So my perception is that if you are careless and see working chicas in Medellin or Bogota, you have a very high chance of it happening. Of course in most cases it would be in your own apartment, etc. So by following the great suggestions of folks like Jb and others on this board you can reduce that risk to negligible, but without taking some care you are a target.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789023]I have thought about that. It's certainly possible that I'll hand my seeking girl a million pesos and two minutes later she get's a phone call, her dog was just hit by a car, it's an emergency and she's gone. First of all, if she does that then she's just thrown away the remaining 6 million, so why would she do that, but who knows, it's possible. In that case I just lost a million (that's $210 US) which will not destroy my vacation and I will just open the old laptop, hunt around a little and head off to one of the better brothels, strip clubs etc. I'm in a location with thousands of other options.

So plan A is a mini-relationship. Plan be is the brothels.

The only thing which I am a little uncertain about are the exact prices in Medellin. I am attaching a photo. She is 19. Is a million pesos per day too much? Will it sound suspicious? I'll also spend a few dollars on her for her meals or if we go out to a club however that might be another $30 a day. In a lot of places you would need to pay several hundred dollars or more per hour for this girl. A million sounds low to me. So I am wondering if anyone has an opinion.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to chime in. I agree with the earlier poster that your plan is unlikely to succeed. Medellin (as has been noted here countless times) is not like Lisbon or most of Europe. These chicas are truly go with the flow and few plan out what they're doing more than a day in advance. If she's having a good time with you, she'll stay and you'll be golden. If not, the excuses (sick friend, sick mom) will come. My advice is to just play it by ear day to day.

I was just there mid-January and had the same chica over every night for a week (I was working during the day). Excellent service, total GFE. 300 mil for toda la noche (8 pm - 10 am) every night. Then she crashed at my place (with her friends) for the weekend and it was 300 mil for the weekend (food costs made up for it). So yes, I would say 1 million pesos per day is an overpay. But it's your $$$ so if that's what you want to do. Go for it and have fun.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789023]
I am attaching a photo. She is 19. Is a million pesos per day too much? [/QUOTE]Oh my giddy aunt. Harry, can I be your agent? I will manage your financial affairs while your in Colombia. How does that sound?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2789103]Police reports and stats are one thing, hospital stats are another. If you can find it there was a good article a couple or three years ago on drug poisonings with scopolamine, and the numbers were in the 10's of thousands. Up to 100,000 for the country.[/QUOTE]Right. But the stats he reported were not even instances of scop, they were robberies. Of ocurse, the vast, vast majority of crimes go unreported, espec in countries where the polcie are corrupt or incompetent, or both, like in Colombia and the USA.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2789103]Police reports and stats are one thing, hospital stats are another. If you can find it there was a good article a couple or three years ago on drug poisonings with scopolamine, and the numbers were in the 10's of thousands. Up to 100,000 for the country. I will try to find that and dig it out.[/QUOTE]Maybe you mean this?

Unofficial estimates put the number of annual scopolamine incidents in Colombia at approximately 50,000.

[URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20130315175638/https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12118[/URL]

Also, I just joined a private facebook group called Colombia Scopolamine Victims and Alerts. I am attaching a couple of screen shots. Apparently the perpetrators are non-pros, at least generally.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2789124]Oh my giddy aunt. Harry, can I be your agent? I will manage your financial affairs while your in Colombia. How does that sound?[/QUOTE]If you can deliver that sweet sweet Latina pussy, you've got a deal. I'm sending my credit card info.

No but seriously is a million pesos a day too much or too little for a girl like this? Obviously assuming that the photo is accurate. Two hundred bucks sounds dirt cheap to me however I understand that Medellin prices are relatively low.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789026]That's really interesting, however is your Spanish fluent? Are you recognizable as a gringo tourist? Were the women about your own age? Did you meet them at a club (which I have heard is really difficult; Colombians come with their own closed friend groups) or in some other situation?

My impression is that a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa because she thinks he's hot is almost unheard of. More frequent seems to be a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa and not remembering anything until two days later.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of chicas who want a gringo boyfriend, hope to find a mozo (be your mistress) to support them, or want an adventure / fun time (or multiple of these things). The same rules don't apply here as the US for dating especially in terms of age. This last time I was in Medellin I went on a date with a 21-year-old law student who lives in Luareles, is from a good family and who spoke fluent English. In addition to going out with me, she told me all about the 50-year-old gringo ex-boyfriend she'd recently broke up with after dating them for 8 months. The point is there are lots of local women who are interested in and open to dating foreigners for the reasons listed above including some fairly classy ones. Also remember, many enjoy going to nice spots and don't have the disposable income to make it happen every weekend on their own (so that's another reason she may say yes to going out with you). I've never found that being in country for a shorter time period (a week or two) has hurt my ability to get a date. I usually sleep with a few of the girls I go on dates with after the first date. I'm not saying all of these girls are classy or true "good girls", but they are girls that decided to sleep with me without receiving more than taxi money or possibly 50 k for a sitter, though sometimes neither of the two.

Now, I speak Spanish fluently, which helps a lot, but I look like a gringo. I'm in my 30's so not that old but I generally date girls in their early to late 20's. I don't pick up girls at clubs its mostly online for me 95% Facebook. I've hit it off with a few girls at stores, and on the street as well. I have chatted with a few girls over tinder but I take the same approach of screening their other social media, chatting extensively and dictating our plans for the date myself (I'd say this is the normal expectation with these women for a first date).

If you want to be as safe as possible I'd stick to casas during daytime hours. I'd avoid the Centro ones because you run a slight risk of getting robbed by a drug addict or you could step in a pothole and hurt yourself (I kid about the pothole especially though exactly that happened to me outside of New Life in 2020). Just sticking to pros on Facebook or the online pages doesn't guarantee your safety. I've heard stories of pros that scam, steal, and drug. Personal recommendations can help, though I can think of one girl I thought was chill and have been with that I heard had robbed another guy who let his guard down with her. Colombia is not the safest spot in the world and its not a beginner destination either. You need some street smarts and language skills will also help you a lot. My advice is to make plans to mitigate risks, don't be too trusting too quickly, trust your own instincts, and don't worry about bailing if something seems off.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2789219]I speak Spanish fluently, which helps a lot, but I look like a gringo. I'm in my 30's so not that old but I generally date girls in their early to late 20's.[/QUOTE]I think the fact that you are fluent Spanish speaking and are dating age appropriate women puts you in a different category than 90% of the Americans visiting Medellin.

I wouldn't pay that. Don't be surprised when you meet her and she is 10 years older and 30 lbs heavier. I would recommend that you meet her for dinner and if you feel like take her back to your place. There are way too many beautiful women in Medellin than to settle for just seeing one. Enjoy some variety and have 4 or 5 different girls on your trip. After I'm with a girl for 3-4 hours I'm ready for the next one.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789149]If you can deliver that sweet sweet teenage Latina pussy, you've got a deal. I'm sending my credit card info.

No but seriously is a million pesos a day too much or too little for a girl like this? Obviously assuming that the photo is accurate. Two hundred bucks sounds dirt cheap to me however I understand that Medellin prices are relatively low.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2789243]I wouldn't pay that. Don't be surprised when you meet her and she is 10 years older and 30 lbs heavier.[/QUOTE]I must video chat with her before I arrive in Colombia.

How much would you offer? 800 k? 700 k?

I don't want to be cheap and annoy her however I also don't want to drastically overpay. It may even sound suspicious "For so much money, what does he want to do with me?

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789026]That's really interesting, however is your Spanish fluent? Are you recognizable as a gringo tourist? Were the women about your own age? Did you meet them at a club (which I have heard is really difficult; Colombians come with their own closed friend groups) or in some other situation?

My impression is that a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa because she thinks he's hot is almost unheard of. More frequent seems to be a typical tourist hooking up and going home with a Paisa and not remembering anything until two days later.[/QUOTE]While less common than in the US, it happens. If you're a young good looking guy who has chicas hit on you in the US, you can definitely get laid in Colombia for nothing. If you really want to do this, get out of Poblado, especially near Parque Lleras. A lot of non pros don't want to be seen with an obvious Gringo in these areas.

Then again, if you're in town for just a week and want to leave nothing to chance, just pay for it.

[QUOTE=Eclectic;2787814]Parque LLeras is not accessible. It is barricaded. It is indeed closed.

Yes, it is being remodeled and yes the streets and bars around it are generally open. Much of the action is on Calle 10.[/QUOTE]A lot of the park is now open.

Just got back from Medellin.

Fun to hit Parque Lleras and chat with the girls I know from Centro.

Most girls go home empty handed, but they're all looking for the big gringo payout. LOL.

Had a great time in Medellin, and Bogota as well.

I'm always a street a guy at heart, and almost always have pretty good luck.

Befriended a few cops guarding Botero now.

Cool guys.

Kept me safe while on the hunt at night on the other side of the gated Plaza.

When they split, I did as well.

Too many bad hombres on the hunt to rob at night to go about unguarded at night.

Overall I like Medellin the most in Colombia, then Bogota, however, Brazil will always be my number uno.

Heading back there tomorrow.

Cheers.

It will be interesting to see how long the barricading of ground zero will be in effect for since initiated. Almost a ghost town albeit a few scattered walkers inside the barricaded areas with everyone on the other side of the barricades and the glass covered walkway area is very crowded.

Kind of surreal walking inside of the barricaded area and not seeing walkers all over the place and the business's inside are getting hammered with hardly any foot traffic passing thru. And although getting access into the area thru the manned police entrances may entail being searched, you can enter the area thru the complex adjacent to the Metro without being searched. And business at the short time hotels like Premium Plaza has to be way down along with all the eateries having way less customers.

Oh well.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789247]I must video chat with her before I arrive in Colombia.

How much would you offer? 800 k? 700 k?

I don't want to be cheap and annoy her however I also don't want to drastically overpay. It may even sound suspicious "For so much money, what does he want to do with me?[/QUOTE]It's really easy. But it does require you to actually use advice, instead of insisting you know better than the accumulated decades of experience that has already chimed in.

You tell her you want to meet her. Tell her your basic plan, not the "I want you to stay with me for a week" plan, the "we'll have dinner then go to my hotel" plan. Tell her you will be in town for a few days, maybe a week. If she agrees to the initial date, ask her how much she wants.

You don't know the market and you keep insisting on looking at it from a US standpoint. Which means you're practically guaranteed to pay a ridiculous price if you make an offer.

Here's the good part. Once she gives you a price, you can play it 3 ways.

1. Ask if the price includes taxi. If she says yes, offer 20% less. If she says no offer her 20 k more for taxi.

2. Tell her that you always pay 20% less. If she doesn't accept, offer her price but tell her it includes the taxi.

3. Ask her if the price is for toda la noche, all night. If not, you can either agree to her price, offer 20% less, or offer 20% more for all night.

Whichever way you go, after the first fuck decide if she's worth keeping all night. If you keep her all night, decide in the morning if you want to offer her the 1 week deal. A more than fair price for all night is around 400 k. If you want to give her more, offer it as a tip at the end.

Under no circumstances should you pay her until the agreed upon date (or night) is complete.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789233]I think the fact that you are fluent Spanish speaking and are dating age appropriate women puts you in a different category than 90% of the Americans visiting Medellin.[/QUOTE]I'm also fluent in spanish and mid 30's. Isn't most everybody on this forum?

90% of americans vistiting? I thought most of us who visit are mid 30's and speak spanish?

Are you saying most american visitors are old and don't speak spanish?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789357]I'm also fluent in spanish and mid 30's. Isn't most everybody on this forum?

90% of americans vistiting? I thought most of us who visit are mid 30's and speak spanish?

Are you saying most american visitors are old and don't speak spanish?[/QUOTE]Not sure about "most american visitors" being old but personally I didn't consider paying for sex until the girls I wanted to fuck were less than half my age and it was the only way possible to fuck the same type girls I was fucking as a young guy. It does suprise me how many younger guys I see in Medellin and most probably looking for P4 P. Hell I'm in Pattaya now and it shocks me that in the best gogo most young asian guys appear to be about the same age as the girls dancing on stage. Not being judgemental but I just couldn't have imagined doing that myself. So yeah I'm guilty of often being in Medellin as an older guy haha.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789357]I'm also fluent in spanish and mid 30's. Isn't most everybody on this forum?
I thought most of us who visit are mid 30's and speak spanish?
[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think most of us here are in our mid-30's and fluent in Spanish. That's what I tell all the girls.

I can't pretend to have any interest in the demographics of this web site's membership. Nonetheless, it is a very frequent discussion topic.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2789416]Yeah, I think most of us here are in our mid-30's and fluent in Spanish. That's what I tell all the girls.[/QUOTE]

Tostao disappeared not long before the latest barrier project. Since then, a new 5,000 peso store that sells Chinese made plastic goods took over one of the storefronts across from Premium Plaza. The official word from City Hall is the barrier is supposed to be in place 45 days or more. I think that leaves about three weeks until the end of the 45 day period. Personally I don't see why this one will be any more sustainable than the previous iterations. This week I noticed some of the regulars inside the barrier but dressed in civilian clothing. I assume that is a ploy to gain admission and ply their trade as before. A girl I know who used to work the sculptures complained to me that there are "a lot of women" concentrated along the glass walkway side of the church and behind it. The concentration of cart vendors beneath the metro viaduct and in areas outside the barrier is overwhelming. They and their bluetooth public address systems should never have been allowed in the plaza in my opinion. I agree the low end fast food joints and the short time hotels inside the barrier have to be hurting.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2789283]It will be interesting to see how long the barricading of ground zero will be in effect for since initiated. Almost a ghost town albeit a few scattered walkers inside the barricaded areas with everyone on the other side of the barricades and the glass covered walkway area is very crowded.

Kind of surreal walking inside of the barricaded area and not seeing walkers all over the place and the business's inside are getting hammered with hardly any foot traffic passing thru. And although getting access into the area thru the manned police entrances may entail being searched, you can enter the area thru the complex adjacent to the Metro without being searched. And business at the short time hotels like Premium Plaza has to be way down along with all the eateries having way less customers..[/QUOTE]

I included the story about the 21-year-old law student girl I met who was dating a 50-year-old gringo because those sorts of age gaps in dating aren't that uncommon either. Speaking the language will help a lot, though I've had a couple of nonpros who were ready to play the translator game with me before they knew I spoke Spanish. My point is you'd be surprised at what is possible in Medellin and you might be holding yourself back. I'm still modifying my approach as I come back and learn more.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789233]I think the fact that you are fluent Spanish speaking and are dating age appropriate women puts you in a different category than 90% of the Americans visiting Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2789219]This last time I was in Medellin I went on a date with a 21-year-old law student .... who spoke fluent English.[/QUOTE]Hmm it might be nice to meet a fluent English chica and have a proper conversation for a change. Where did you find her? SA?

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789357]I'm also fluent in spanish and mid 30's. Isn't most everybody on this forum?

90% of americans vistiting? I thought most of us who visit are mid 30's and speak spanish?

Are you saying most american visitors are old and don't speak spanish?[/QUOTE]I'd say that's about 1/3 of the forum.

I've found the following rough groups:

1) Retired 60+ gringos w / pension or steady retirement income (live in country, or take longer trips, basic Spanish, often stick to 1-3 'regulars'.

2) 30-45 year olds that are still working (do 5-10 day trips, often divorced, conversational Spanish fluency, split of guys who travel solo and those that travel in groups on guy trips, try to fit in as many girls as possible. Used to go to Brazil, Costa Rica, or DR).

3) < 30 year olds that are digital nomads (live in country due to low COL, building a business or side hustle, often fully fluent or have parents that were native, trying to get local girlfriend but enjoy the P4 P opportunities).

Outside of those buckets I meet the occasional one-offs that are married to a Colombian or are ex-military, retired early, and exploring.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2789487]Hmm it might be nice to meet a fluent English chica and have a proper conversation for a change. Where did you find her? SA?[/QUOTE]So why not learn Spanish? When I was interested to have proper conversations with people in various countries, I learned their languages.

How many board members are there and how many of us have you met?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789498]I'd say that's about 1/3 of the forum.

I've found the following rough groups:

1) Retired 60+ gringos w / pension or steady retirement income (live in country, or take longer trips, basic Spanish, often stick to 1-3 'regulars'.

2) 30-45 year olds that are still working (do 5-10 day trips, often divorced, conversational Spanish fluency, split of guys who travel solo and those that travel in groups on guy trips, try to fit in as many girls as possible. Used to go to Brazil, Costa Rica, or DR).

3) < 30 year olds that are digital nomads (live in country due to low COL, building a business or side hustle, often fully fluent or have parents that were native, trying to get local girlfriend but enjoy the P4 P opportunities).

Outside of those buckets I meet the occasional one-offs that are married to a Colombian or are ex-military, retired early, and exploring.[/QUOTE]

There are quite a few of them behind the check in counters in the airport and hotel reception desks.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2789487]Hmm it might be nice to meet a fluent English chica and have a proper conversation for a change. Where did you find her? SA?[/QUOTE]

I found her on Facebook. Just luck of the draw in terms of who I friended and who friended me and who I was chatting with. She peaked my interest when she told me she lived in Laureles and was studying law. I always like to ask what barrios they are from and their jobs / studies.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2789487]Hmm it might be nice to meet a fluent English chica and have a proper conversation for a change. Where did you find her? SA?[/QUOTE]

How do I go about finding MDE girls on facebook? Does anyone have links to profiles which have more female MDE friends listed?

If I was feeling generous and really liked the girl (one that I already knew) $500,000 for the night. To be honest though I have had lots of girls spend the night with me and I didn't have to pay any extra.

I would not feel comfortable offering a lot of money ($500,000) for an overnight with a girl that I didn't know. I would recommend a first date dinner, back to your place 2-3 hours $300,000. At this price most girls won't think your cheap unless she is a 9 in which case expect to pay a little more. If everything works out well you can see her as much or less as you please. Keep your options open and don't tie yourself down (unless the chica is doing it and your into that stuff). Although this could be an embarrasing way to get robbed LOL.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789247]I must video chat with her before I arrive in Colombia.

How much would you offer? 800 k? 700 k?

I don't want to be cheap and annoy her however I also don't want to drastically overpay. It may even sound suspicious "For so much money, what does he want to do with me?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2789547]If I was feeling generous and really liked the girl (one that I already knew) $500,000 for the night. To be honest though I have had lots of girls spend the night with me and I didn't have to pay any extra.

[/QUOTE]Yup. I don't seek out all nighters, but I've had that happen a fair amount over the years. Arrange short-time, get along well, and the chica decides to stay the night with no additional payment.

Absolutely no reason to make a deal for all night if you haven't already sampled the girl short time. If you have a good time you can usually extend, frequently for no more pesos. And if she’s not good, you want to be able to get her to leave and you’ll feel like an idiot if you agreed to take her all night.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2789521]How many board members are there and how many of us have you met?[/QUOTE]I have no idea how many board members there are, but I think there's a counter along the bottom (or top).

I've been on this board off and on for almost 20 years, and I'm only mid 40's. I was on Argentina Private back in the day with Jackson and even met him a couple times. But I digress. Over the years I've probably met 80-100 guys in person that I've connected with through here and another 150-250 mongers that I've met on location through friends, at casas, or out on the town (many are unaware of ISG). I stay close with 20-25 of them that I've found to be most honest, trustworthy, and laid back. I've met guys that were 25 year old virgins and guys that were 85 with 20 year old girlfriends. Everything from police and army rangers to doctors, start up founders, and former pro ball players as well. We're an interesting cross section of society, with the only common characteristic that I can discern being an uncommonly high sex drive.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2788640]I hate "facts", especially when someone has to stress they are "facts" instead of conclusions based on their experience. Don't get worked up.

Many apartments have tighter entry security than some hotels. Some hotels you're able to bypass security with a girl. Each person should consider the level of security which they feel is necessary. There are advantages to both apartments and hotels, depending on each person's situation.

Any girl is a potential risk. The biggest risk appears to be Tinder, but it's a bad idea to assume a girl is safe because of where you found her. Your focus should be on not providing the opportunity to anyone. It also means not letting everyone know you're a good target. The same advice that's been offered for years still works.

1. Don't advertise your wealth.

2. Don't get wasted.

3. Watch your drink at all times.[/QUOTE]Agree with this 100%. I was scoped back in mid November, many of you saw my report at that time.

Backstory.

I like to mix my Medellin trips up with a mix of pros, semi-pros, and non-pros. For the semi-pros I was using Bumble which in my prior experience had Paisas which were looking for more of a normal relationship as opposed to straight P4 P (as is the case with Tinder). It had worked for meeting girls with normal girls in the past, often with free sex and deeper relationships / friendships after 2-3 dates. Anyway, this particular time was scoped at the end of the second date with the girl in my apartment. We never once discussed payment and I didn't even sleep with her. I was making her dinner and she scoped my drink when I stepped out on the balcony to get steaks off of the grill. I was unconscious for 45+ hours and she cleaned me out of 5 k worth of stuff plus passport, credit cards, phone, etc... charged a ton of stuff over the 2 days I was out. Whether it was solopamine or horse tranquilizer I have no idea, but I was down in 10-15 seconds. It was the same week that the kid from California was scoped and killed by the girl he met on Tinder.

Anyway. Abide by all of JBee's rules, even for the regular ones until you get to know them better. There are several stories of guys knowing girls for weeks and even months before getting scoped. You may have the girls whatsapp and FB, but that's it. She can easily drug you, take your stuff, and disappear.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2789149]If you can deliver that sweet sweet teenage Latina pussy, you've got a deal. I'm sending my credit card info.

No but seriously is a million pesos a day too much or too little for a girl like this? Obviously assuming that the photo is accurate. Two hundred bucks sounds dirt cheap to me however I understand that Medellin prices are relatively low.[/QUOTE]Some thoughts:

1) I see no reason to 'wife up' with a girl in Medellin, particularly if it's one of your first trips. Plenty of girls this good looking or better that you can source from Facebook or the casas for less and you have the benefit of variety.

2) I personally see no reason to pay a girl for the entire day unless you have some fluency in Spanish, plan to have a lot of sex, and maybe doing a tour (ie Guatape) and having dinner. If this doesn't apply you're going to have an awkward time and will be paying her 10 x Colombian minimum wage to play on her phone all day.

3) For a day I'd say 500 k tops. This girl would be 250 k to 300 k for FS over 1-2 hours and she probably only gets 2-3 mongers a week. I think she'd be fine with 500 k. Of note, the last time I paid full day was back in Sept / Oct when a favorita from Barranquilla joined me at a Santa Marta resort. I paid 350k / day, but covered all other expenses. With sex 3x a day, including once bare back, it was well worth it. For context she has a college degree and makes $650/mth which is apparently quite good. For her, she just had the opportunity to take some nice photos for her 100k IG followers.

4) Whatever you pay, know that it will be more as she'll be with you the ENTIRE day and wanting food, additional clothing, things for her sick grandma, etc. So add 300 k.

Overall I understand how you can say $200 is cheap, but recognize this is not Europe or the US. With the cost of living $200 is closer to $800 in the US give or take and employment prospects much worse.

Thanks for the ideas Knowledge and Recondite.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789516]So why not learn Spanish? When I was interested to have proper conversations with people in various countries, I learned their languages.[/QUOTE]By proper I meant fluent -- understanding all that's said, effortlessly cracking jokes, flirting, using metaphors, irony, idioms. All done spontaneously without any pauses to find the right words.

I am learning (damn conjugations are killing me) and fluency is the end goal, but it won't happen next week (nor even next year) so in the so-called meantime it might be fun to get in with some English speaking Colombianas as well (and it could actually help with progress, even if she isn't fluent it might still be beneficial to have a live translator at hand).

When I 'dated', or rather hung out for extended periods of time with some chicas, pretty quickly I reached the limit of my Spanish and then the experience just wasn't too fun, ranging from fkn boring (there is only so much conversation at 6 yo level one can take), frustrating -- when girl is clearly sharing something and I don't understand most of it; or when I want to quickly comment or respond to something, can't find the words and the opportunity passes before I can even start to pull out the translator (too late to make that joke now, the chica with baboon ass already passed or the yellow bird flew away), to feeling like work instead of chill -- both parties sweating their brains and palms translating on the phone back and forth (which is the last thing I feel like doing after a good session).

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789595] I was unconscious for 45+ hours and she cleaned me out of 5 k worth of stuff plus passport, credit cards, phone, etc... charged a ton of stuff over the 2 days I was out. Whether it was solopamine or horse tranquilizer I have no idea, but I was down in 10-15 seconds. It was the same week that the kid from California was scoped and killed by the girl he met on Tinder.

Anyway. Abide by all of JBee's rules, even for the regular ones until you get to know them better. There are several stories of guys knowing girls for weeks and even months before getting scoped. You may have the girls whatsapp and FB, but that's it. She can easily drug you, take your stuff, and disappear.[/QUOTE]Did you lower your daily ATM withdrawal and transaction limit when you arrived to Colombia?

Was it difficult to get your passport back? Did they accept a photo copy?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2789168]I think this is the same guy that posted a gazillion "stupid" questions in the Rio thread, but once the date came that it was time to go, something came up. Now it is time to do the same in the Medellin thread.[/QUOTE]Yup. People called him out on his BS in that thread and they'll eventually do the same here. He never went to Rio and he'll never go to Medellin.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2789414]Not sure about "most american visitors" being old but personally I didn't consider paying for sex until the girls I wanted to fuck were less than half my age and it was the only way possible to fuck the same type girls I was fucking as a young guy. It does suprise me how many younger guys I see in Medellin and most probably looking for P4 P. Hell I'm in Pattaya now and it shocks me that in the best gogo most young asian guys appear to be about the same age as the girls dancing on stage. Not being judgemental but I just couldn't have imagined doing that myself. So yeah I'm guilty of often being in Medellin as an older guy haha.[/QUOTE]I think it's just a generational thing, more younger guys are waking up, making more money and realizing we don't have to settle for just 1 chick. Today's young women in america are not the same like they were back in your day either way.

It's hilarious when people and even working girls think us younger mongers do it because it's our only option. Actually we do it because it gives us plenty of options. Besides it's never free, you have to pay for it one way or another, I rather just pay to put in less time because to me time is more valuable.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789601]Some thoughts:

1) I see no reason to 'wife up' with a girl in Medellin, particularly if it's one of your first trips. Plenty of girls this good looking or better that you can source from Facebook or the casas for less and you have the benefit of variety.

2) I personally see no reason to pay a girl for the entire day unless you have some fluency in Spanish, plan to have a lot of sex, and maybe doing a tour (ie Guatape) and having dinner. If this doesn't apply you're going to have an awkward time and will be paying her 10 x Colombian minimum wage to play on her phone all day.

3) For a day I'd say 500 k tops. This girl would be 250 k to 300 k for FS over 1-2 hours and she probably only gets 2-3 mongers a week. I think she'd be fine with 500 k. Of note, the last time I paid full day was back in Sept / Oct when a favorita from Barranquilla joined me at a Santa Marta resort. I paid 350k / day, but covered all other expenses. With sex 3x a day, including once bare back, it was well worth it. For context she has a college degree and makes $650/mth which is apparently quite good. For her, she just had the opportunity to take some nice photos for her 100k IG followers.

4) Whatever you pay, know that it will be more as she'll be with you the ENTIRE day and wanting food, additional clothing, things for her sick grandma, etc. So add 300 k.

Overall I understand how you can say $200 is cheap, but recognize this is not Europe or the US. With the cost of living $200 is closer to $800 in the US give or take and employment prospects much worse.[/QUOTE]7 years ago I did cost of living comparisons between Indianapolis and cities in Medellin. Indianapolis has one of the lowest cost of living in the US. I believe it came out that Indianapolis is 151% more expensive than Medellin. That was with an exchange rate of 3000 to 1.

Add in the poverty rate and you're not making a fair comparison. In the US cheap prostitutes tend to be the dregs, drug problems, mental health problems. In Colombia a cheap prostitute is just a normal girl whose major flaw is she lacks initiative. Here $10 is a lot of money. It's roughly 1 days pay for manual labor. $50 is a day's pat for a low level white collar job. $100 is management level daily salary. The President of Colombia earns about 600 k pesos per day and half the people will say he's fucking the entire country.

On that scale, 1 million COP to just fuck 1 guy daily seems a bit high.

What happened to the website? Why did they make changes?

Without being able to see profile photos, or reviews / comments, also they took away the option to view recently updated profiles, it's pretty much useless now.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2789595]Agree with this 100%. I was scoped back in mid November, many of you saw my report at that time.

Backstory.

I like to mix my Medellin trips up with a mix of pros, semi-pros, and non-pros. For the semi-pros I was using Bumble which in my prior experience had Paisas which were looking for more of a normal relationship as opposed to straight P4 P (as is the case with Tinder). It had worked for meeting girls with normal girls in the past, often with free sex and deeper relationships / friendships after 2-3 dates. Anyway, this particular time was scoped at the end of the second date with the girl in my apartment. We never once discussed payment and I didn't even sleep with her. I was making her dinner and she scoped my drink when I stepped out on the balcony to get steaks off of the grill. I was unconscious for 45+ hours and she cleaned me out of 5 k worth of stuff plus passport, credit cards, phone, etc... charged a ton of stuff over the 2 days I was out. Whether it was solopamine or horse tranquilizer I have no idea, but I was down in 10-15 seconds. It was the same week that the kid from California was scoped and killed by the girl he met on Tinder.

Anyway. Abide by all of JBee's rules, even for the regular ones until you get to know them better. There are several stories of guys knowing girls for weeks and even months before getting scoped. You may have the girls whatsapp and FB, but that's it. She can easily drug you, take your stuff, and disappear.[/QUOTE]There should be a rogues' gallery of girls who have scoped guys in Colombia in a thread on ISG using girls' photos from facebook, whatsapp, etc.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2789603]I am learning (damn conjugations are killing me) and fluency is the end goal, but it won't happen next week (nor even next year)[/QUOTE]Write out flash cards. Start with the present / present indicative. On one side write the infinitive and on the other side write the conjugations. For example in English write "to be" on one side. On the other side write on different lines "I am, You are, he She It is, They are".

Start out with your main most frequently used verbs like to ser, estar, ir.