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[quote=exec talent]
if you want a legitimate massage what you are looking for is terapeutas, though like monica some will also list themselves as massagistas (which usually means more sex than massage).[/quote]
i thought the terapeutas meant they gave you a legit massage with a hj at the end.
[quote=bravo]i thought the terapeutas meant they gave you a legit massage with a hj at the end.[/quote]
the happy ending is optional.
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]the happy ending is optional.[/QUOTE]
It is? I didnt know that. Do you have to pay more for it?
[QUOTE=Bravo]It is? I didnt know that. Do you have to pay more for it?[/QUOTE]
Pricing was upfront, so I imagine whether you opt for the Cinderella story or not, the price is the same. My experiences in Rio are that it is easy to find sex. Hard to find a good legit massage.
Prices for P4P services have plummeted and that is a good thing. Let's try and keep the prices that way. Gentlemen, back in 2005 during Help's heydays, this used to be a very nice venue and it provided tremendous value for the travelers among us. I don't like being a broken record, but the reason for the outrageous prices and the virtual elimination of the local monger from Help was our "smart guy" who always overpay for garotas and wonder why prices kept right on blowing up. Yes, it was because of you, the "smart guy" who for a lack of better term kept prices inflated to ridiculously unrealistic levels.
You must understand that when people post information on the web, it is becausee they, those with information, are sharing a good thing with all of us so we can do like they do. Respect local traditions, customs and prices so things don't get out of hand. However, "smart guy" tends to be selfish and always uses the same line to defend his "smartness": It is my money. Yes it is and I respect that. But did you know that these girls talk a lot? Did you know they expect the same generosity from everybody? Did you know that this distorts reality for all the other GDP's in Copa?
The minimum salary in Brazil ia approximately BR 465 per month. That's in 2009. I will list for you the prices for services from Help with another institutionto make my point as to why prices go up outrageously due to the generosity of Mr. "smart guy" who completely distorts the pricing curve, making everybody else pay for their "Smartness":
Year Location Price(ST) (Price (TLN)
2005 Help 70 - 100 150 -200
2005 4 X 4 160 N/A
2006 Help 150 200
2006 4 X 4 170 N/A
2007 Help 200 300
2007 4 X 4 180 N/A
2008 Help 250 400
2008 4 X 4 200 N/A
2009 Help 300 500
2009 4 X 4 220 N/A
This is why I keep the best bargains in Brazil to myself. If you can distinguish the price differential, the prices at 4 X 4 have gone up BR60 in 5 years, the prices at Help as much as BR 350 due to "smart guy". "Smartguy" lurks out there trying to destroy institutions with his attitude and "intelligence". The locals who have shown me their spots always make me pledge not to tell "smart guys" about these places because they fear being priced right out of the venue, just like it happened in Help when it used to be open. Do the math and you see why really good places for the hobby in some cases need to be stumbled upon instead of disclosed because there are so many "smart guys" among us who don't respect local traditions and ground rules.
[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Prices for P4P services have plummeted and that is a good thing. Let's try and keep the prices that way. Gentlemen, back in 2005 during Help's heydays, this used to be a very nice venue and it provided tremendous value for the travelers among us.
2009 Help 300 500
2009 4 X 4 220 N/A
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Good post and analysis but in 2009 I payed 250 reais for Help girls mostly TLN as opposed to 220 reais at 4x4 for 40 minutes in a cabin. For me Help represented more value and bang for the buck.
But I get your point, for sure girls in Help were asking 500 reais but only fools paid that, it's like paying sticker price on a brand new car. I would like to see them ask for 500 reais standing on the street in front of Balcony bar.
Voyajer1,
yes good post, for me the biggest problem are not only the "smart guy" but the first timer too. When you arrive for the first time, if you are not used to negotiate all, not only pussy, and if you never read forum like this, you could end to overpay without neither know it.
Even yesterday at Balcony I was talking with a girl and when she asked why I do not take her, I said, you want 150 reais for surely not more than 1 hour +50 reais hotel lidi, tomorrow afternoon I call Karlamodels and for only 120 reais I have girl delivered to my apt for 2 hours....she immediately left and went to approach another gringo. It was not to save 30 reais, but I went to sleep alone, tomorrow morning I woke up at 6:30 for a running on avenida atlantica and I surely no regret.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Voyajer1,
yes good post, for me the biggest problem are not only the "smart guy" but the first timer too. When you arrive for the first time, if you are not used to negotiate all, not only pussy, and if you never read forum like this, you could end to overpay without neither know it.
Even yesterday at Balcony I was talking with a girl and when she asked why I do not take her, I said, you want 150 reais for surely not more than 1 hour +50 reais hotel lidi, tomorrow afternoon I call Karlamodels and for only 120 reais I have girl delivered to my apt for 2 hours....she immediately left and went to approach another gringo. It was not to save 30 reais, but I went to sleep alone, tomorrow morning I woke up at 6:30 for a running on avenida atlantica and I surely no regret.[/QUOTE]
Do not forget the coconut drink and... Churrasco....
Ah I should have been on Avenida Altantica in October but... :(
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[QUOTE=Voyajer1] Gentlemen, back in 2005 during Help's heydays,[/QUOTE]
Without being controversial, 2005 was by no means Help's "heydays". Decline began in the late 90's.
I stand corrected.
[QUOTE=Prosal]Without being controversial, 2005 was by no means Help's "heydays". Decline began in the late 90's.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Prices for P4P services have plummeted and that is a good thing. [/QUOTE]
V1,
Good post. Many good points.
It's interesting to see the price plummet now that HELP has closed. Obviously the price of pussy in Rio has it's own economics and HELP played a very important role in supporting the inflated price. There has been a lot of talk over the years about the "economics of P4P" and how it does (or does not) follow traditional commodity pricing tendencies.
Following supply and demand theory, one could argue that with the closing of HELP, you have effectively removed a large part of the supply (ie large numbers of GDP 'available' for sessions) and that the price should have gone up. But you report that just the opposite is true and that while the girls are trying to stage a replacement venue by moving to Balcony the price just cannot stay up. Not being there to witness the phenomenon first hand, I have to ask myself "why"?
Regardless of the local market, you would have to believe that if guys had migrated to Balcony in sufficient numbers, then the girls would be back in business with no lack of customers and therefore the price would stay the same. I can't believe that ALL the girls have migrated to Balcony 'en masse' have they? Is it REALLY a case of too many girls chasing too few customers? Has the closing of HELP really chased away the customers?
I have to believe that the closing of HELP has not reduced the gross number of mongers actually coming to Rio. And I sure don't believe that the closing of HELP has made us any less interested in chasing after pussy so SURELY we must have all disbursed to pursue the hobby elsewhere in Rio be it in Termas or other sources of GDP. But again, I don't read that the crowds at the usual Termas has swelled, so what is it?
Could it be that the prices were being supported by the "HELP factor" that provided a venue for newbies and 'smart guys' to come and inflate the price? Could it be THAT simple?
Curious minds want to know!!!!
Anyone? Anyone? Are there any budding economists out there who care to explain the phenomenon?
Too many "smart guys" were paying, AND bragging about their tremendous negotiating skills (BR500 for TLN). I was there just listening to these people argue that "That's how we roll, baby". They came in all shades and nationalities. If they only knew what the girls told me and their friends about them behinfd their backs (Suckers, guppies, stepping stools, doormats, etc.), they'd be shocked. But hey, like the "smart guys" always said, "It is my money". You've got to be kidding. Sometimes you just need to ask for directions to get to your destination.
[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Good post and analysis but in 2009 I payed 250 reais for Help girls mostly TLN as opposed to 220 reais at 4x4 for 40 minutes in a cabin. For me Help represented more value and bang for the buck.
But I get your point, for sure girls in Help were asking 500 reais but only fools paid that, it's like paying sticker price on a brand new car. I would like to see them ask for 500 reais standing on the street in front of Balcony bar.[/QUOTE]
So, may be I am confused! I dont see any posts actually reporting lower prices.
What are the rates now for TLN?
More importantly, where do you go to find TLN these days?
Hi all,
Can anyone experienced let me know what is the go with Easter in Rio? Public holidays? Termas shut downs? Cluns? etc
Any relevant info will be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
I tried a search, couldn't find, but I thought this was posted before....so if anyone could point me to the post or give directions, much appreciated.
By using the metro and then bus, how would I go from Copa to Corcovado? I use the metro to go to centro, so that part is familiar. Which stop, which bus, etc.
Thanks