Nairobi

[QUOTE=Expat Kenya]Pro girls have fancy hairstyle, ask for much alcohol for themselves and friends, blackberry mobile at least with facebook, aggressive all-over-your-body approach, and dress indecent.

Semi pro or occasional girls dress more descent, normal phone, careful approach.

Non-pro (don't go looking in a bar or restaurant) no approach, maybe a simple phone, descent dressing, not asking any money or presents.

Free sex with with no less than 8 ladies is however shameful I think. Non-pros do not ask any money, but maybe they expect a bit appreciation which would be fair my friend! If they were profs, no way you got 8 of them offering you free sex, keep on dreaming. Semi-profs than?

Well, they have your contacts so expect a begging letter, call or sms at any time from now.

I question your integrity like WB.[/QUOTE]Speak my brother, speak! What you have said is RIGHT ON!

Expat Kenya's reasoning is very wise & spoken from a true veteran of african girls. Having lived in africa myself this is exactly the way I see the different levels of african women. To my own experience in africa, nothing is free in Africa (or most other places on this earth for that matter).

[QUOTE=Bajoe2011]I don't want to be diggin in defenitions "truth, lies and deviating". It would make on feel better if a girl no matter her status (1hr/wk/yr) gets something

So that she can materialezed some of her basic necessity. What you posted that on multi occaisson you just pay for food, taxi and girl's even refuse to take money after you offered to them makes you one goddam special Guy on this

Forum. No you don't have to ask the answer is I'm not jealous of you.

I just operate with a norm called code of respect.[/QUOTE]For violating the unwritten rule that African women need to be reimbursed for sex, even if they request that it not be done.

For treating them as equals.

For enjoying myself.

A jaded bunch here on the Kenya board. In more ways than one.

[QUOTE=Azeb 411]I heard this place closed down?

Is it true, or is it still open?[/QUOTE]

I have been there three times in the past week. Still open every night.

Junior

[QUOTE=LustyHombre]Satyr,

I don't want to get involved in a hair splitting contest here, but I fail to recognize the logic behind your argument " Had I found a keeper. I would have paid (her) " versus suggesting that paying a non-keeper objectifies and dehumanizes her. If you are worried about how you come across toward a non-keeper, I would expect you to be much more concerned about the impression you make on a girl you'd like to see again.

My attitude has always been that I pay a non-keeper as little as I can get away with whereas I am more generous with whoever I want to repeat with. BUT they both get cash in order to get the message across that this is purely a business arrangement without any emotional involvement on my part.[/QUOTE]That’s the right way to do it Lusty. No matter if she accepts money or not, the deal is crystal clear for both! No emotional attachments and onto the next girl as free munger.

[QUOTE=Satyr9]For violating the unwritten rule that African women need to be reimbursed for sex, even if they request that it not be done.

For treating them as equals.

For enjoying myself.

A jaded bunch here on the Kenya board. In more ways than one.[/QUOTE]Satyr9, how do you define ‘equality’?

By making it a contest, the winner malaya may be rewarded as a keeper and gets paid after you’ve fucked 7 others for free who did not pass your test? If malayas knew you’d be coming to Kenya with intention to fuck 8 fellow ladies without any commitments or reward, you wouldn’t have fucked at all my friend. Try it again another time and you’ll meet the true nature of some of those ladies. You've played with fire!

At least you’ve enjoyed Kenyan cuisine.

[QUOTE=Satyr9]For violating the unwritten rule that African women need to be reimbursed for sex, even if they request that it not be done.

For treating them as equals.

For enjoying myself.

A jaded bunch here on the Kenya board. In more ways than one.[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it Satyr9. I think everyone is just debating this interesting topic you brought up & not attacking you. You don't owe anyone an apology IMHO. What you did (fucking poor african girls for free) is not a crime. Most mongers here have probably fucked all over the world and every guy everywhere has tried to get pussy for free no doubt.

I for one, thank you for sharing your experiences & that is what this board is all about & keeps us coming back. As long as you didn't lead on the girls emotionally I don't think its wrong to fuck for free. However, I know from experience if you are a good looking mzungu in kenya most of the girls will want you as a boyfriend if they are going to fuck you, or else they will like to have some help (money, gifts, etc). The girls become attached to a mzungu quickly as in texting you & bombarding you with emails or unannounced visits. If they are not looking to a mzungu as a boyfriend why would they fuck him for free & risk disease, pregnancy, social stigma, etc?

I think it is a fantasy for us to believe that africa is filled with hot black chicks who crave white dick because it is "different" or "a fantasy" this is just a fallacy.

But nevertheless, fucking 8 girls in kenya for free is an admirable accomplishment and I can't imagine they are just jumping into bed with a mzungu just because we are young & good looking, because for me, I'm in my 30's, an athlete, very good looking, etc and it actually seemed to work against me. The girls were more shy I think & they wanted to be my girlfriend or wife & I had to lie just to keep from seeing them everyday. But I always gave them something as another monger said "to insure they knew this was strictly business". Maybe we just could learn alot about "dating" women from Satyr9 on how to do this properly without paying.

Even in america, it is VERY difficult to find & fuck nice girls for FREE. I have lived in LA, San Diego & Houston & even as an athlete & girls all around me, it is not easy to just get them to fuck as "friends" knowing they get nothing out of it in return. So how is "treating them as an equal" have anything to do with it?

I'm not attacking you because I like & respect your info & please keep up your fucking in africa & please tell us how to do it on the cheap if you don't mind. And if you ever think a girl is maybe wanting or needing something but she is just too respectful to ask you directly, then just offer her something as a "present" and maybe she will take it without offense if you do it in a nice way.

This may help to keep the african girls coming back to all of us mzungus in the future instead of avoiding us which is really the heart of this discussion if we really think about it.

Good luck to all,

Smallworld

[QUOTE=Satyr9]My apologies to all for violating the unwritten rule that African women need to be reimbursed for sex, even if they request that it not be done. For treating them as equals. For enjoying myself. A jaded bunch here on the Kenya board. In more ways than one.[/QUOTE]


indeed a very smart post, brother! :) Keep the pen active!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Mid-40's. Fit and reasonably good looking.

Shy around women at the beginning, though quick to open up.

Nothing to learn from me about dating.

Met almost all the girls on Afrointroductions.

Money was neither requested, nor seemed expected and was on two occasions outright rejected when spontaneously offered, even though proffered subtly (I thought) and in the guise of future gift purchase/visa-fee deferral, etc.

Due to work I will have to stay some few nights at Coutnry Lodge in nairobi. Does anyone know if it is GF or....?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Satyr9]Mid-40's. Fit and reasonably good looking.

Shy around women at the beginning, though quick to open up.

Nothing to learn from me about dating.

Met almost all the girls on Afrointroductions.

Money was neither requested, nor seemed expected and was on two occasions outright rejected when spontaneously offered, even though proffered subtly (I thought) and in the guise of future gift purchase/visa-fee deferral, etc.[/QUOTE]Yes, afrointroductions can be a gold mine. I used it too and each african country I visited I already had like 5 or 6 numbers of girls waiting. Most of them I was never able to call because I kept running out of time & some of them I sent away due to bad looks/hygiene (with no money). However, the ones I fucked they also NEVER asked me for money. Usually as they were leaving I would just say here is some extra money for your taxi or tro-tro (ghana) or matutu (kenya, uganda) and I would insist they take it (usually equivalent of 20 or 30 USA dollars in local currency) and they always would.

I guess it is just IMHO that the girls on afrointroductions are looking for a boyfriend or sponsor or maybe a foreigner husband to change their lifestyle for the future (I think this is for many their dream) so I think maybe they (even the ones that don't ask for money) might be left disappointed once the mazungu leaves or stops calling them & they got nothing out of it except for a night out of fun with an interesting mzungu foreigner? And if they are left with a feeling of emptiness maybe they will not venture onto afrointroductions anymore or get into bed with the next mzungu (or obruni/west africa)?

Nevertheless, I can't wait for my next trip to africa, my top 3 cities are: kampala/uganda, accra/ghana & nairobi/kenya. All are FUN to be had! I will for sure be using afrointroductions beforehand & I also heard about the website 'tagged' and might try that too.

Good luck & keep up the posts!

SW

[QUOTE=Smallworld21]Yes, afrointroductions can be a gold mine. I used it too and each african country I visited I already had like 5 or 6 numbers of girls waiting. Most of them I was never able to call because I kept running out of time & some of them I sent away due to bad looks/hygiene (with no money). However, the ones I fucked they also NEVER asked me for money. Usually as they were leaving I would just say here is some extra money for your taxi or tro-tro (ghana) or matutu (kenya, uganda) and I would insist they take it (usually equivalent of 20 or 30 USA dollars in local currency) and they always would.

I guess it is just IMHO that the girls on afrointroductions are looking for a boyfriend or sponsor or maybe a foreigner husband to change their lifestyle for the future (I think this is for many their dream) so I think maybe they (even the ones that don't ask for money) might be left disappointed once the mazungu leaves or stops calling them & they got nothing out of it except for a night out of fun with an interesting mzungu foreigner? And if they are left with a feeling of emptiness maybe they will not venture onto afrointroductions anymore or get into bed with the next mzungu (or obruni/west africa)?

Nevertheless, I can't wait for my next trip to africa, my top 3 cities are: kampala/uganda, accra/ghana & nairobi/kenya. All are FUN to be had! I will for sure be using afrointroductions beforehand & I also heard about the website 'tagged' and might try that too.

Good luck & keep up the posts!

SW[/QUOTE]Plaese explain to my. You pay 20 or 30 dollar for taxi or I pay 20 or 30 dollar for sex direktly. Wath is the different? You end my. Paying for same think. Sex

I stayed the Country Lodge back in May and had no problems brining ladies in. Although I reserve a double occupacy room so there would be no troubles. Nice rooms but just too far away from everything. I liked the city center better.

[QUOTE=Willyboy]Plaese explain to my. You pay 20 or 30 dollar for taxi or I pay 20 or 30 dollar for sex direktly. Wath is the different? You end my. Paying for same think. Sex[/QUOTE]I am talking about the girls who do not ask for money or are too shy. If it is a non-pro who I know won't ask me for money because she wants me as a boyfriend I cannot say to her "take this money for having sex with me" or she will be offended & maybe could get angry. So, instead of fucking her & leaving her with nothing, I tell her to "take this money & use it for your taxi or tro-tro or matutu, or gift, etc" so that way she at least gets something. This is my point that if the girl does not ask for anything it does not mean we should not give her anything. It doesn't mean every time I fuck the non-pro I give her 20 or 30 dollars just it depends how many times I am seeing her and what we do or if we go out and also her situation, etc. There are many variables but I am not proud of myself if I just meet a bunch of chicks in africa and fuck them all for free. I am only talking about non-pros & not pros. With a pro I will negotiate up front and will never listen to their stories & I will negotiate hardline for the bottom price. I would rather give money more easy to a non-pro to keep her coming back.

[QUOTE=Willyboy]Plaese explain to my. You pay 20 or 30 dollar for taxi or I pay 20 or 30 dollar for sex direktly. Wath is the different? You end my. Paying for same think. Sex[/QUOTE]Of course you pay for the same.

The diff is purely for the girl's self-esteem: if you say " this is for your taxi " then we both pretend she's just a nice regular girl.

If you say " and here is your $20 " then it's abvious that she is just a regular ho'.

[QUOTE=Willyboy]Plaese explain to my. You pay 20 or 30 dollar for taxi or I pay 20 or 30 dollar for sex direktly. Wath is the different? You end my. Paying for same think. Sex[/QUOTE][Quote=LustyHombre]The diff is purely for the girl's self-esteem: if you say " this is for your taxi " then we both pretend she's just a nice regular girl. If you say " and here is your $20 " then it's abvious that she is just a regular ho'.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Smallworld21]I am talking about the girls who do not ask for money or are too shy. If it is a non-pro who I know won't ask me for money because she wants me as a boyfriend I cannot say to her "take this money for having sex with me" or she will be offended & maybe could get angry. So, instead of fucking her & leaving her with nothing, I tell her to "take this money & use it for your taxi or tro-tro or matutu, or gift, etc" so that way she at least gets something. This is my point that if the girl does not ask for anything it does not mean we should not give her anything.[/QUOTE]The better you treat your lady, not necessarily in cash only, the easier it is for the girl to accept her position and willing to come back for more. The worse you treat them, the more difficulties you'll face.

Semi-pro and non-pro don't like to be treated referred as a ho. The respectful way we treat them with the same goal, regardless she is a regular, semi-pro or non-pro is a big reason to be with mzungu. And man, it doesn't cost us anything to be polite and respectful, so why not?!

Hi

Does anyon know of a MP near the Kenyatta Airport, where one could relax for some few hours in between connecting flights? Or do I have to go the whole way into Nairobi and back again?