Some thoughts regarding age and appearance of a monger
When we discuss non pro Filipina girls and how to treat them in the right way, we never mention such important thing as age and appearance of a monger.
Well, first thing first. It's all about money, and there shouldn't be any speculations about that. No matter how young and good looking guy you are, anyway even best girl hopes you will provide her in the long run, marry her, get her to your home country or whatever it could be, related with financial interest she could gain from you in future.
Still pinays are not robots, they are human beings, and such things as a physical and emotional empathy are not alien to them. It does matter, whether to spend a time with a good looking 30-40 yo monger, or with 65 yo fat old grey haired man with double chin and flabby butt, who is older than her grandpa.
The basic rule is, if you don't consider, you can have a success with relatively young woman in your home country, then most probably you look same unattractive for a foreign girl, for Filipina in particular. It's obvious, still some guys forget about that.
That's when all differences start to reveal. Someone says, he was successful and some girls from dating sites didn't mention money, while other reports, he had a hard time even to make an appointment, and those girls, who agree, were reluctant and demanded gifts and money right away.
Didn't you think, such behavior could be related with you as a person in the first place? That is why it is not totally correct to compare your experience with experience of your fellow mongers. Just try to assess yourself evenly before to pose as a playboy. Maybe it's worth to stick to P4 P exclusively, before to enroll to dating site and play "relationship" game.
Despite it was said many times already, I still want to add a word of warning for everybody. Long term relationship with Filipina is a trap both for young and old guys. Young guy can lose his vigilance in time, mixing up empathy, which Filipina can truly feel to him with genuine love. A possibility of material benefit will always prevail over feelings for Filipinas, and that is a reality. It will lead to bad consequences eventually.
For older guys, sweetness and slyness can also be misinterpret as love, or al least as a devotion for his kindness and generosity. Remember, that pinays never feel devotion. No matter how experienced and old a guy is, he can fall in love anyway and lose his head and thus to enable pinay to suck all money out of him.
Also some guys mix up definition of "middle class" in Philippines. They naively think, that if a girl is a call center operator, office worker, or clerk at bank, then she earns enough and thus is not interesting in money. Average salary for call center operator in Manila should be 15 - 20 K peso something which is equal to 280 - 380 USD. Cashier at bank earns around 30 K, which is equal to 570 USD. Sure thing it is not enough and they are always interested in your money.
The bottom line: Relatively short term relationship for free are possible, if you are a good looking young guy, or a good storyteller. If you are not, then don't expect it to differ from classic P4P relationship. Long term relationship is a trap and should be avoid at all costs, no matter who you are if you don't want to become a cash cow eventually.
Use of Chat rooms in the Provinces
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[QUOTE=Goferring;2147823]So, after being the flag waver for online P2 P I hit a snag when I arrived in Davao. Looking back I think I made two fundamental errors.
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Today continues with lunch with an ISG contributor and an afternoon Tinder drop in. We'll see. . . .
To be continued. . . [/QUOTE]So Tinder Girl actually showed up. She probably had he most underweight photos to date but also had really nice tits. So after another "good girl" diatribe she got down to business. Really good BBBJ and tea-bagging. I'm a small guy so she was too big to throw around the room in multiple positions but an active mish finished the day. On the way out she insisted on true taxi money only so was happy with 300 p.
Day3 was a lunch date off FilCupid and you gassed it: a no show! No great loss as I'd given up waiting for promised meeting times and was at a contributor's place anyway. Later in the day I received a profound apology text saying she had fallen asleep after being kept up by her sick kid. I'm guessing that her time online all day with FC was speaking with a doctor? ? ? She promised and pleaded that she would drop around that night. I said "whatever, be here at 6 o'clock".
The contributor texted and asked of I would like to see a local KTV. I'm a KTV virgin so it seemed the ideal educational experience to me. I messaged the returning no show that I was going out for early drinks and I would text her again when we were back. She gave promises that she would be ok with returning after I had finished. ET KTV had big rooms, knock out girls (see the Photo Gallery), and 750 p ladies drinks. Apparently I also over paid for the girl at 3000 p ST but no great surprise as I had "Newbie" stamped all over my forehead. Regardless, I had a great time.
I texted the all nighter to say we had finished and I was on the way home. Her reply: "It's too late, can't get a taxi" at 9:00 pm! Aaaargh!!
I then messaged the 3 am girl. I was way to spent to do anything after mega-tits at the KTV but having someone already there to solve the following morning's wood seemed like a good idea. No answer.
Day4. 3 am girl was still sick in bed so I woke up alone. I had triple booked lunch so I was hopeful that something eventuates from that. 11 am for a nice call center chick just off work, 3 pm a little spinner fall back plan, 3 am girl for the afternoon and night if all turns to shit. Call center girl slept in after a big night on the phones. About 2 pm I got a hit from a cute spinner, "I'm just around the corner, should I come now? That was cutting it fine for the 3 pm but "a bird in the hand" and the pizz poor on time history of others made me say yes. I was starving so lunch was at an eatery nearbye and then up to the room. Suddenly she was not comfortable that I've seen other girls, did not want to get pregnant, yada yada yada. She left with no requests or offers of cash. Technically, I was down 400 p for her meal. While this was going on, I was not checking messages and sure enough the 3 pm spinner had actually arrived. She had left me a string of "where are you" then "fuck you" messages and then she blocked me from her account. Fuck!! She was the hot fish that got away. . .
I was so pissed, I flooded the chat rooms with "do you want to come over here now?" messages and I was bombarded with "Sure, what time?" replies. I parlayed that into one driving in that night for potentially an all nighter, a call center girl at 11 am, a new looker at 1 pm and a croupier at 7 pm.
So the supposed all all nighter turned up and was truly horrific. When it was clear that nothing was going to happen she introduced me to her friend from work, a Muslim Zamboangan girl who was clearly mortified at seeing a white guy. I cut both loose and returned to the room. A quick call to the 3 am girl found her still in bed with the flu.
Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.
3 am girl texted that her cold is better. I was thinking "who the fuck cares?" But I had calmed down enough to reply that maybe she could come around tonight. This was to leave enough room for the other two appointment should the miraculous happen and they actually turn up.
Ms. 1 pm was indeed outside the hotel dead on time and then called me up to announce her arrival. Somehow she had managed to dial the wrong number, got another pina and assumed it was my wife or GF. She sent me a stream of abuse that would make a sailor blush about inviting her out while I was with another girl before I assured her that I was the only one in the room and she had dialled a wrong number. When I was in the taxi I saw that she was another looker and we went off to lunch. By this time all the mental games had fried my head so I was just happy to have a good lunch with a pretty girl. She actually held a pretty good conversation as well so that made it all the better. At the end of the meal she went shopping and I went back and crashed.
When I arrived back I received a call from the croupier saying that her friends wanted to come out as well to our 7 pm date. I wasn't interested in feeding a bunch of free loaders so I said that one girlfriend is ok but if there are more it would be better if she enjoyed the night with them and we could see each other next time.
Needless to say, the call center girlie never showed though I still live in hope. Maybe she just lost her phone. . . LOL. A few texts to 3 am. Girl found that things were in deed looking better. She was feeling much better. She still desperately wanted to see me. She would be around at 9 pm to wish me safe travels. . . And she was a no show.
All up, I certainly enjoyed Davao. Chat rooms work in a different way in the Provinces.
Planning and hitting the rooms early was a complete failure and actually worked against me. Similarly, going for the lookers and expecting immediate results was ludicrous.
What I should have done was waited until I was in town before making contact, allow time for some introductory dates and stay an extra couple of days to allow finding the right girls. There is certainly an abundance of straight acting girls that will jump in bed but need a date or two to convince themselves, their friends and the punters that they are indeed "good girls". I don't think it was a coincidence that my (only. ?) smooth day was the last one before leaving. Now that I have done the ground work, I have a few numbers that I would happily contact again but it took a lot of effort to get those.
Having local knowledge was invaluable. So many thanks to contributors and their friends who assisted in my stay. I would definitely recommend doing a lot of research and getting as much on-the-ground Intel has possible before arrival.
They have been turning 18 for the last two decades.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2150493]Do Philippine college exams have costs to sit?
It's a big exam week in Cebu and the Chat rooms are flooded with 18 to 22 year olds. A coincidence or not?
Beware that a number are also "turning" 18 in a couple of months too.[/QUOTE]Not really, unless it is a national board exam. However, tuition must be paid otherwise the school will not allow them to sit mid-term and final exams. The girls in the chatroom during exam week are more likely to be scammers rather than real students. The internet scammers tailor their hard luck stories to coincide with actual happenings such as exam week, natural disasters, and rebel attacks. They know their marks will google their stories and find news reports covering the events, making their alleged personal crisis appear somewhat possible.
Besides, if a girl is busy using her last few pesos to work the chatroom instead of studying for the exams, she has already failed. Save your money for a sure shag, as you will get no return on wiring it to dubious internet students. Many of those students are 40 years old, and have less than three teeth left.
How to get laid for free, meeting girls via dating sites. Practical guide.
Actually it's quite simple to get laid for free meeting girls via dating sites. It is much more fascinating process, comparing with classic P4P, and it is twice as much rewarding, taking into account that sex is based on empathy, at least from her side.
Some basic conditions to get laid for free:
1. You should be relatively young and good looking guy. Unfortunately if you are an old fart, you can pose as a playboy only in exchange of money.
2. You should be quite good storyteller. Not that you must lie, but still you should make her feel, you are quite serious about her. It doesn't mean, that you should lie that you will marry her. Not that. Just make an impression, that you are genuinely interested in her as a woman, that you like her. Don't promise anything though. Never ever mention sex during your virtual conversations. Just like it doesn't matter for you at all. For all Filipinas sex is a part of their daily life, so it is took for granted, that if you are BF and GF you will get laid.
3. If you want to have short term relationship for free, you should convince your proposed GF, that you are on a tight budget. Details will follow below, but now I want to stress, that even if you can afford more luxurious mode of traveling, you should better stick to low end hotels, meals, public transport etc. Anyway you seem a rich dude for her, but when you flash your money here and there, it's impossible to explain your pinay, why don't you want to share your wealth with her. Imagine, you stay at $ 100 worth hotel, dine and wine her at high end restaurants etc. Money you spend daily might be monthly budget for her, so sure thing you seem a millionaire and her inborn itch for money will come out sooner, than expected.
4. To get laid for free with no pro girl always requires much more time and efforts, comparing with P4 P. You should invest a lot of time beforehand to choose right candidates, you should instill in their minds, that you are a serious guy, who likes them, not just a monger. Also it may require some more time on the ground to get laid. Ideally you should allow some 3-5 days for each girl. You should be realistic and within 2 weeks you barely can fuck more than 3-4 "good" girls, who pretend they are in a relationship with you. Ideally you should go to extended 2-3 months holiday to be more flexible and to be able to fuck at least 10-15 girls.
Now how to choose a right candidate on a dating site:
1. Unlike most guys on here, who suggest to enroll in dating site just few days before your intended arrival, or even right on the spot, I would suggest the opposite. Enroll in there 2-3 months before your trip. As better you get to know your girls, as less chances things will go wrong. Still I want to note, that despite how well prepared you are in advance, it is inevitable, that some of your candidates are a wrong choice. That's life, and virtual communication will never substitute live communication. Some fishy things about them could come out only after you meet in real life. That is why your goal is to date more candidates, than you intend to meet, to have a back ups if any.
The other reason to enroll so early in advance is to separate girls, who want to be paid immediately after sex. As a rule, they don't want to waste their time chatting someone, who will come in few months, since they need cash right now. And opposite, girls who claim, they want long term relationship, want to get to know their proposed cash cow in advance.
2. Don't choose super star models. According to my experience, all they are fakes, or they are not interested in short term relationship for free.
Don't choose 18-20 yo girls. They are unreliable and are more interesting to chat, but as soon as it comes to real meeting, they can be not ready for that.
Don't choose single moms. As soon as they have children, but don't have a husband, they become a second best for pinoys. They are fucked by locals of course, but few Filipinos are willing to take responsibility for her children and to provide them. That is why typical single mum desperately needs money. She can be a good candidate for non pro P4P, but definitely she doesn't fit for guys, who don't want to spend money for pinays.
Don't choose women over 28-30. If they don't have children by that age, then something is fishy there. They are sophisticated liars and cheaters, and that is where you are likely to discover in a year or more, that in fact she has Filipino husband plus several other fair skinned sponsors, or other unpleasant sh#t.
Your goal is 22-27 yo girls. Choose among them.
3. 100% of girls in Philippines, who have access to internet have skype / whatsup / viber or other apps, which enable video calls. 100 % of Pnays have FB. If a girl claims she doesn't have skype and FB move on immediately. Don't waste your time. Skype her to make sure she is a one she claims to be. It is always a rad flag, when a girl says, she can skype you just certain time, certain days. Try to make video call without notice. If she is outside her work / school, she always should be able to skype you. If not, then something is fishy there, and you should move on without regrets.
4. If you feel she is reluctant talking to you, move on. You are not on a dating site to court or entertain someone. Choose just those girls, who seem genuinely interested in talking to you.
5. If a girl mentions money or gifts, move on immediately. Some pinays are more sly and they never ask directly. Instead they can tell you about their hardships. Some good natured, naive men offer them help by themselves, and that is what they expect you to do. Other common scams include.
- to tell you, their phone is broken, and they can't communicate with you anymore;.
- to tell you, their mama / papa / sister / brother needs immediate emergency medication.
- to tell you, they urgently need to repay their debt. They may also tell, they will repay you soon.
- to tell you, they urgently need to pay bills.
Always move on. If she mentioned money on the initial stage of your acquaintance, she will do that again and again.
6. As soon as you got to know each other a little bit, tell her, that you want to come to Philippines on holiday / by work and you have 3-5 days to meet her. Never tell your real length of the trip. Be straightforward right away and tell, that you have very limited budget, let's say 2000-3000 p per day, including accommodation, meals and everything. You can't afford to give her presents, but still you want to see her and to spend your holiday (3-5 days) with her, since you like her. If she is ok with that, then she might be right candidate to get laid for free. But not necessary (details will follow below).
7. The widest choice of girls is in Manila and Cebu, so if you want to go to some remote parts of the country, it could be a good idea to take a girl from Manila or Cebu with you. Still it depends on your destination. Let's say If you want to go to Mindanao (CDO area for waterfalls, or Davao / Samal, which are relatively safe), then it's better to find a local candidate from Mindanao to travel with you, than to bring pinay from Manila. Tell them your travel plans, and agree with her your dates in advance, so that they take leave for these days. If you are in Manila, sometimes you should try 3-4 candidates on the spot, to make a final decision, whom with to go to a certain place, but anyway all of them should be ready in advance to follow you. Be quite straightforward regarding your budget. Tell them in advance how much are you going to spend while traveling, to reduce the chances they will demand for presents. Always say you are on a tight budget. Don't be afraid to travel as locals do, even if you can afford more. It's adventurous. Mostly Filipinas enjoy traveling itself, so they are not choosy and demanding at all, providing you made it clear from the beginning regarding your budget.
When you are on the ground, you can encounter some first-timer common scams:
1. A girl tells you, that she doesn't have money to come to your meeting place, and asks you to cover her transportation expenses. They can think out ridiculously expensive taxi / bus / jeepney fares, which don't exist, thinking you don't know the real prices for local transport. So it is wise to make it clear on the stage of your virtual communication, regarding this matter. Ask her, where does she live, and where it will be convenient for her to meet up. Let her know, that you are willing to pay for transport when you are together already, but she must come at her own expenses.
2. A girl takes along her aunts / sisters / friends on the first meeting. The reason is to eat for free at the expenses of a foreigner. Again, make it clear in advance, you are not going to feed anyone at your expenses and ask her to show up alone. Anyway for a first appointment it's better to stick to low end eatery to reduce possible damage. There might be other versions of this scam. Let's say you are going to club, and she invites her friends, which supposed to be wined and dined at your expense. If you chose to travel somewhere, a girl might say her cousin / sister wants to join you. Make it clear you want to be together without her relatives and you will never compensate any expenses to them.
3. A girl asks to buy her some presents. If she is not after money (all they are after that though), then the biggest present for her is you. You can take some trifles from your home country as a presents.
If a girl acts like that at the first step, move on immediately (maybe allow yourself to fuck her once. Twice on that day before to move on). She will demand for more in future and it will become annoying.
When you met your girl, and she seems a decent one at first glance, please don't go with her to your hotel right away. Ask her to show you interesting places in her city / area, walk with her, talk to her. You should create a seeming of relationship. As practice shows 80% are ready to get laid on the first date, still some girls require 1-2 days to court them before they are brave enough to suck your cock. You should consider this possible situation in advance.
Another common annoying situation is when they want to introduce you to her family. They mean nothing with that, and some probably just want you to feed her family for free this way.
Anyway, if you play relationship game, you have no valid reasons to avoid meeting her family. So you should go. Prepare to stay for a night at their house, which might be real experience for someone, who is get used to comfort. There might be no water at her place, and you will be put at a room, where 4-6 other family members sleep as well.
Before to go, never buy any food for them. If they invited you, then it's their responsibility to feed you. Actually the only thing they expect from you to buy is some booze. Always buy local cheap booze, which they are used to, such as Tanduay, or if you are not a hard drinker, then Red Horse will do as well.
Usually it is very boring to sit at her house among her relatives, as you don't have any common with them to talk about. Remember, that the meeting with you for her relatives means nothing more, than a possibility to establish a contact with "rich" guy, who can lend them money in future, which they never repay.
When you travel with pinay on a budget, surprisingly you could find out she will try to save your money. She will bargain for you, tell you what is considered expensive, advice which mode of transport to take to save etc. She can behave like a genuine lover and possibly she can feel true affection to you on that stage. Even though you can have a great GFE, please don't lose your head and stay vigilant all the time. For details read below.
It is also possible, that you would regret, you took her to the other part of Philippines, if you suddenly find out, she irritates you with her habits. That is somewhat hit or miss, so you should be prepared for such developments. I advice to bring a girl along, if you feel emotional affection to her, not just physical.
When the time comes to leave her and to switch to other GF, you should make sure, a girl thinks your holiday is finished and you are going back to your home country, or you have a work at other part of Philippines. Actually it is very common in Philippines, when locals go on holiday somewhere just for 3-5 days. The reason is, it's expensive, so they try to cut the expenses as much as possible cutting a number of days to spend on vacation.
It's better to block her phone number for a while after you move on, so that she won't spoil remains of your holiday with annoying messages about love etc. Plus future girl can become jealous, if she will notice someone texts you every now and then.
Someone could think, that if a girl doesn't ask for money, then maybe she is genuine good girl? It is not like that. There is a huge difference between short term and long term relationship. In the long run all they want you to provide them, while they can accept the rules of your game on a short term basis.
When you spend just relatively short time with each girl, it doesn't matter for you, whether she has pinoy BF or husband, or westerners whom she cheats, or meets for fucking in exchange for money. If she doesn't ask money from you, then all other circumstances don't matter. But definitely it does matter a lot, if you have long term relationship and when you fell in love with her.
Some possible developments when you are back home already and unblocked her number:
1. She says, she fell in love and she wants more serious relationship with you. Ignore this BS, as it will never finish with happy end.
2. She says, she enjoyed the time, she spent with you and she would want to repeat it again. If so, then you can maintain a "friendship" with her.
3. She says, she got pregnant and demands money for future baby or for abortion (which is illegal in Philippines). Usually it is a scam, so just ignore this BS. That is an example how a good girl could turn into bad one in time.
4. You become pals and in time you forget about her. But suddenly she appears out of nowhere and asks you USD 500 for her grandma funeral or something like that. Sometimes it happens like that as well. Ignore.
The rhetorical question is what is better: to meet P4P girls for sex, or to play relationship games. Actually both modes have its advantages and disadvantages and there is no clear answer on that. Someone could say, to play in love is more cynical, but I disagree. You give a girl your conditions in advance and it is her deliberate choice, whether to accept it or not. Also it is mistake to think they are good girls, just because they pretend to look so. Anyway everyone decides for himself.
