[quote=evan stoner; 1283304]massage places, usually chinese, in the shibuya area ie dogenzaka, are generally a ripoff. they tease you until the time is up, and if you are desparate and / or drunk enough you will pay extra to get the happy ending you were hoping was included in the original price. this happens in shibuya because, well, it's shibuya.kanda is the other side of the coin: the default is happy ending, and always with the potential for a "plus alpha" experience. it's rare to find a shop where the happy ending isn't included although they exist.problem is, shibuya is "high touch" and kanda is "shitamachi" so it tends to be more likely to find oneself drunk somewhere in shibuya than in kanda. that's life, at least there is better eye candy while you are stumbling around. but don't expect not to get disappointed if you go into a shibuya massage assuming or even hoping for relief, it is unfortunately quite rare, although not nonexistent. ymmv.es[/quote]the other day around 4pm i decided to toftt and try one of the dogenzaka massage places. the one i tried is quite a ways up dogenzaka on the right as you are walking away from the station, on the fifth floor of a non-descript bldg, with a sign in front showing a manga-style [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]-esque shibuyagyaru. inside, the shop is a typically shabby chinese-style set-up with an old sofa in the waiting area and a few curtain-partitioned massage cubicles. the mama-san was pleasant enough, but she was the only one there, and given her age (late 30's or so) and build (far too heavy for me) , i was definitely not interested in a massage from her. however, just as i was about to leave, one of her staff walked in. the gal was not exactly gorgeous, but a bit younger and slimmer than mama-san, so i stayed to negotiate.when i asked what kind of massage it was, mama-san said it was normal chinese-style massage. 60 minutes for ?10000. i asked her if hand-service is included, and she said no that is extra. so at that point, i said i was not interested and started to leave. that's when she grabbed my hand, pulled me back down onto the sofa, and practically begged me to stay. then she had a few words with the gal who had just come in, and finally turned to me and said, 'ok, no problem, extra service included'.i was a bit dubious, and probably could have knocked a couple of thousand off the price, but decided to just go with the flow and stay for the massage-more out of curiosity than anything else. so, i go into the cubicle with the gal, she draws the curtain, and tells me to take off everything and lay down on the table (with no shower!).long story short. a very respectable massage, firm pressure, plenty of hot towels, and quite thorough, including a fair bit of stroking to the nether regions. then she tells me to turn over and she oils up junior for the 'extra'. expecting a fairly rough, quick, functional cum and go procedure, i was pleasantly surprised that she took her time, made an attempt to keep it erotic, and, most amazingly, just as i was about to shoot my load, she thrust her finger up my rear for a good-ol prostate check. that quickly did the trick. to her giggles. she cleaned me up with more warm towels, gave me a cup of tea, and, fotrtunately, didn't make any request for a tip.all in all, not exactly the most salubrious of places, or the most attractive of masseuses, but not bad, and could be worth going back in the evening to see what the other staff gals are like.manta ray