Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2796190][URL]https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=688020572030668[/URL] It is post #37138. Incidentally, it was less than three years ago, June, 2020.[/QUOTE]This is it for sure. I knew it was since I had my 2019 visit. This video does not seem to have as good of quality as I remember. It seem to rember that after watching it there was no doubt that you could tell that poor girl bled out. But in this link the video stops and starts too much. Thanks a lot though this is exactly the video I remember.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2796460]It was a last minute flight. I had to fly to LAX to get a direct to Colombia. I have two vaccination cards. One is full and the latest has my most recent shot. They wanted both so I was lucky I still had it.[/QUOTE]On my last visit I only showed them my Covid card from Walgreens showing the 2 shots I got.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796354]They put it up to keep working girls and homeless people out and let tourists in, [/QUOTE]Barricades do many things. They help keep homeless people out (good). Control the thieves coming and going. Police recognize the "repeat offenders" and scares the thieves since there are less avenues to get away (good). Thieves used to hide behind the sales carts to get away. I assume those sales carts were also not allowed in. Hard to track a runner once they pass behind a few carts. Many carts had loud music which I hated. (good if they were gone). The problem with the working girls is that they stand next to the statues that the tourists are trying to take pictures of. Otherwise, most tourists would not know they are there since most are not wearing a ton of makeup, fishnet stocks, and 6 inch high heels. There are plenty of locations to stand that does not require standing next to the statues (good for tourists but bad for us). If the girls stopped standing next to statues I bet they would be allowed inside more readily. Two years ago I liked them but have not seen the restrictions this time around since I have not visited for awhile. Last time the girls got in no problem.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2796484]This is it for sure. I knew it was since I had my 2019 visit. This video does not seem to have as good of quality as I remember. It seem to rember that after watching it there was no doubt that you could tell that poor girl bled out. But in this link the video stops and starts too much. Thanks a lot though this is exactly the video I remember.[/QUOTE]What was it over? Why did he shoot her? I also can't find the one where teacher got stabbed in neck and bled out all over, he got involved with two drunks treating waitresses bad! Any one have that one?

[QUOTE=BarrioSpinners;2796425]They gave up LOL, it lasted one month. I didn't like them.

Street 1 Cops 0. I will enjoy again my double espresso from the bar overlooking the plaza.
.[/QUOTE]Def is now! - they put the barriers up again today bcos some naughty fkrs spray painted the statues. Haha.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2796484]This is it for sure. I knew it was since I had my 2019 visit. This video does not seem to have as good of quality as I remember. It seem to rember that after watching it there was no doubt that you could tell that poor girl bled out. But in this link the video stops and starts too much. Thanks a lot though this is exactly the video I remember.[/QUOTE]Facebook probably put the original on a server with low bandwidth, then backed it up over that slow link. I think the original had more footage at the end. If we really get lucky, the person who originally posted it still has a copy and will chime in. That's asking for something that probably won't happen.

I have done cheap flights from Miami Florida and normally get a hotel close to the Airport for over night and then the flight to Medellin or Phoenix the next morning. Hotel was around $80 total for the night with a free ride to the airport in the morning. I would not recommend Uber from Miami because they have a difficult time finding you and then charge you for a no show. Just take a taxi and save the head aches. I sure wish they would offer a faster affordable way to get to Medellin from the West Coast.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2796460]It was a last minute flight. I had to fly to LAX to get a direct to Colombia. I have two vaccination cards. One is full and the latest has my most recent shot. They wanted both so I was lucky I still had it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2796703]I have done cheap flights from Miami Florida and normally get a hotel close to the Airport for over night and then the flight to Medellin or Phoenix the next morning. Hotel was around $80 total for the night with a free ride to the airport in the morning. I would not recommend Uber from Miami because they have a difficult time finding you and then charge you for a no show. Just take a taxi and save the head aches. I sure wish they would offer a faster affordable way to get to Medellin from the West Coast.[/QUOTE]You must have never flown from Tijuana? I got here from the west coast for $230 one way!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2796494]The problem with the working girls is that they stand next to the statues that the tourists are trying to take pictures of. Otherwise, most tourists would not know they are there since most are not wearing a ton of makeup, fishnet stocks, and 6 inch high heels. There are plenty of locations to stand that does not require standing next to the statues (good for tourists but bad for us). If the girls stopped standing next to statues I bet they would be allowed inside more readily.[/QUOTE]I never saw this problem. The working girls don't like having their photos taken so they generally avoid the statues on the plaza proper. The only place you'd see them would be on the statue of the horse on Carrera 52 and the statue of the woman by Veracruz church. That's 21 of the 23 statues that don't really have this issue.

Tourists really weren't taking photos of those two statues as it feels most didn't cross Calle 52.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2796732]I never saw this problem. The working girls don't like having their photos taken so they generally avoid the statues on the plaza proper. The only place you'd see them would be on the statue of the horse on Carrera 52 and the statue of the woman by Veracruz church. That's 21 of the 23 statues that don't really have this issue.

Tourists really weren't taking photos of those two statues as it feels most didn't cross Calle 52.[/QUOTE]Exactly just those 2 statues is where they used to be and in front of premier Plaza and on the other side by the entrance to the CC veracruz and hotel bulevar. That barrier, fence, whatever you want to call it is a symbol of oppression and it must be taken down.

The legality of it may even be called into question because in Colombia parks and plazas are supposed to be legally open to all citizens and visitors, regardless of whether or not they are homeless or working girls, or street vendors.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796729]You must have never flown from Tijuana? I got here from the west coast for $230 one way![/QUOTE]How did you do that? What airline? I fly out of Tijuana often, but never saw one to MDE for less than $300. Please advise.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2796732]I never saw this problem. The working girls don't like having their photos taken so they generally avoid the statues on the plaza proper. The only place you'd see them would be on the statue of the horse on Carrera 52 and the statue of the woman by Veracruz church. That's 21 of the 23 statues that don't really have this issue.

Tourists really weren't taking photos of those two statues as it feels most didn't cross Calle 52.[/QUOTE]Did you happen to notice that those two statues are the most tree shaded of all the statues? The other statues are more busy if the sun is not out and during late afternoon. I would estimate the girls spend lots of time around 8 of the statues. Half the statues they are never in front of because too much sun and further away from the main congregation of people.

I've read some silly shit on here but this takes the cake! You actually met up with her and aive her money for next day sex? Who would do that Anywhere let alone Medellin! How bizaar. Dude you deserve to be ripped off! Sorry not sorry.

Next one I meet on fb also and actually talked with her quite awhile. We set up a later day to meet (Sunday) as I had other stuff lined up and she gave me the whole story blah blah. So gave her money up front again way of much. And of course the day comes and she never shows up. She gets a mouth full of text of my thoughts. I actually meet her in person when I gave the money to her the day before. Again my fault. Southing I would usually never do. The money I lost between the 2 girls I'm not crying over and oh well money lost. Lesson learned. She has changed her number but still text me. I told her I fell sorry for her situation (saying he Mom died, who knows) I told her hey I forgive her, she stills text me still but I've told her if she mentions money I will just block he.

[QUOTE=Muccells;2792652]OK made my first trip to Medellin at the end of January. Had help with a few members prior to arriving on trying to establish FB contacts. Set up a side account and started adding as much as I could. Thanks to Humpty and Jim for some contacts to get me started. I don't speak much Spanish at all but have taken up duolingo and try to spend 15 minutes everyday. I know I will slowly get better as time goes on. Looking at reviews and recommendations I wanted a good safe place to stay. Usually when traveling I need good wifi and Aircon. So I decided to stay at Energy for the security and location. When I travel I mainly traveling to experience the culture, activities, and tourist stuff (just want some company while abroad) I've learned to scuba in Thailand and that's been my last 3 trips. This trip I had a few motorcycle tours.

So arrived on Wednesday and took a taxi to Energy. Used the ATM when I got out of customs, seems everyone is hitting that ATM which is right there. Took out some money right away to make sure I had local currency. Seems 6 mil is the max the most I observed the atms will dish out. (About $125 usd) So made it to Energy living and doorman / security has the key to my Airbnb. I get in and settle in as it's late afternoon, I try to notify some of the women I'm arriving as I had no specific dates set up yet. I also checked up on the tours I set up..[/QUOTE]

The girls are back in the plaza. The barrier is back up after the demonstration but entry enforcement is now very light. Far fewer people are being searched. Pedestrians, including the girls, enter and exit at will. The diversity and quantity of people in the plaza is noticeably greater than it was before the women's day demonstration. Most of the graffiti was removed but traces of it are still visible on the pavement and the sculptures. Overall, as of today the situation is about the same as it was when the last barrier was up.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2796246]Did they put it up to keep the working girls out. ? You have to walk all the way to the other end through the other check point to find the working girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2796748]
The legality of it may even be called into question because in Colombia parks and plazas are supposed to be legally open to all citizens and visitors, regardless of whether or not they are homeless or working girls, or street vendors.[/QUOTE]In most countries the police behaviour would be rightly called racist too. I never see them stop white folks, nor tourists.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2796846]In most countries the police behaviour would be rightly called racist too. I never see them stop white folks, nor tourists.[/QUOTE]I have. I've been stopped and searched in Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Rio, and I'm a white guy.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2796884]I have. I've been stopped and searched in Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Rio, and I'm a white guy.[/QUOTE]I have not been stopped or searched any place on the planet and I am a Black guy with a shit ton of guns in my own city.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2796884]I have. I've been stopped and searched in Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Rio, and I'm a white guy.[/QUOTE]Last time I was there, cops had my Uber pull over and I was asked to empty my pockets.

For those of you who are unaware, the police like to conduct shakedowns after hours, people leaving bars and clubs. So if you don't want to pay a bribe, better not have nothing illegal on you or hide it as best as you can.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2796884]I have. I've been stopped and searched in Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, and Rio, and I'm a white guy.[/QUOTE]Am talking about Pqe Berrio.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIRp12ASuZs&ab_channel=NoticiasCaracol[/URL]

[QUOTE=PoonyD;2796328]Last time I was there in June I believe they still did have the aquarium. They are always priced higher than a regular casa but they usually have a few stunners. Plus it is very nice and clean establishment. The rooms and the vibe in that place is definitely top tier for a smash and dash joint. Most of the girls usually perform well too. Just don't expect much from the "massage".[/QUOTE]Anyone have the hours and address for this place?

In World War II, American cargo planes landed on a remote, pacific island. They found some native tribe on the island that have been out of contact with the rest of humanity for centuries. The American crews gave them some of their supplies, and then flew away. Decades later, other outsiders came. And found that the tribesmen had created an entire religion of their encounter either the airmen. They made costumes, mock ups of the planes and gifts, and returned to the landing site to reenact the encounter with the otherworldly beings, all in the hopes that their rituals would make the planes come back. Anthropologists call it a "cargo cult. ".

Like those villagers, I return to previously visited places, hoping for a repeat of wonderful experiences.

Returned to Phase Dos after a year. In 2009, my first experience was so overwhelming, I didn't even session. The cop 190 k fee seemed a little high. But in the years that followed, it seemed more reasonable, and the talent was excellent. The mid-2010's seemed to be the peak.

However, things changed. After the pandemic year, the price went to cop 300 k, which is fine, but what is galling is the 45 minute time limit, which means you start getting a knock on the door after about 30 minutes.

Last year, I had an absolutely forgettable experience. Returning this year, I found the cover charge upped to 30 k, the club completely remodeled, and the place very vacant. There might have been less than 30 customers, and about a dozen providers. Dances on the stage were infrequent. The talent was not impressive. The fee to go back to the cabins was 300 k (330 k if you use a credit card).

It was worse at Luna Lunera. 30 k to get in. Once inside, there was only one other customer! On a Saturday night! Only 8 providers. None of them were 'sponge worthy,' so I didn't even ask what the price was.

On the other hand, Zandalay is within walking distance of New Life, and is nice alternative. Prices are reasonable and, right now, it seems to specialize in slim spinners.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2797002][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIRp12ASuZs&ab_channel=NoticiasCaracol[/URL][/QUOTE]No prostitution allowed? So. Gustos? Lleras park bar? Do they think non working girls are going to show up there? LOL wtf so stupid.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2797002][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIRp12ASuZs&ab_channel=NoticiasCaracol[/URL][/QUOTE]This links the blockade in the Botero area and the coming blockade of Parque Lleras. And the link is prostitution specifically illegal prostitution, and foreigners. Leaves the impression that the problem is underage being trafficked to foreigners. The public has heard this on the news and now this is very very bad news for the 99 plus percent of us that have nothing to do with illegal activities.

I was planning on going to Med next week sometime but now wondering. Puts a target on our heads. Looks, assumptions that people are making, to say nothing of giving the green light to police to extort gringos.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2797033]Colombian sex workers may use a fake ID as a minor to extort money or they will call the police. Minors will use a fake ID (cedula) and then have sexual relations, later using this as proof to manipulate and extort money from the client.

[URL]https://www.medellinlawyer.com/prostitution-in-colombia/[/URL]

Has anyone experienced this or know someone who has?[/QUOTE]Why does it matter? [B]You're[/B] never going to go there. We've established that.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2797033]Colombian sex workers may use a fake ID as a minor to extort money or they will call the police. Minors will use a fake ID (cedula) and then have sexual relations, later using this as proof to manipulate and extort money from the client.[/QUOTE]Am curious, if your not from the USA, how could this method possibly work?

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2795925]

I did not like Avianca they only offer water and coffee. They had one meal chicken and rice and in the morning some sort of crackers and or coffee and water. For whatever reason they are not permitted to sell anything from Lax to Bogota or vice versa.

.[/QUOTE]It's not that AVIANCA isn't permitted to sell anything besides coffee and water, but they are trying to just save money by not offering anything more.

I recently flew them from Medellin to LAX one way and when I purchased the ticket I was given an option to choose my seats, and when the choices came up for the Bogota to LAX leg, they said they had full flat laydown seats available on the Boeing Dreamliner at $ 400 each which I paid for. Upon boarding the flight I had a great flat laydown seat on a window side all by myself and upon settling into my seat I noticed a menu of offerings for food and drink. I asked one of the flight attendants about this, but was told I would be served a hot meal. Well they eventually came thru the aisle with the food cart and everyone on the plane got the same thing and it was disgusting and and not really edible. There were probably at least 30 business class seats on this plane and another thing I noticed is that there were no pillows or blankets provided which is the norm in business class. So does business class really exist on AVIANCA on this route, well the seats are it and nothing more. And if AVIANCA could but I don't think they could they would rip out all the business class seats.

So lesson learned I have purchased a mid week return flight with AVIANCA on the same aircraft, with the base fare being only $ 270 one way with the flat lay down seat costing an additional $ 400 and another $ 10 USD for the blanket I'm bringing and my neck pillow. It's actually quite a bargain compared to COPA that was wanting close to $ 2,000 for the same destination with all the bells and whistles.

My opinion is you are getting way ahead of yourself. I don't see any of this making a difference for visitors unless they are the sort who make spectacles of themselves. In any case, in case of doubt, monitor the situation from home to reassess and make an informed decision.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2797149]This links the blockade in the Botero area and the coming blockade of Parque Lleras. And the link is prostitution specifically illegal prostitution, and foreigners. Leaves the impression that the problem is underage being trafficked to foreigners. The public has heard this on the news and now this is very very bad news for the 99 plus percent of us that have nothing to do with illegal activities.

I was planning on going to Med next week sometime but now wondering. Puts a target on our heads. Looks, assumptions that people are making, to say nothing of giving the green light to police to extort gringos.[/QUOTE]

Asking for a friend:

Which centro Casa has the best lineup these days?

Can you walk in at Ellas.

And how is Santas Spa?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2797149]This links the blockade in the Botero area and the coming blockade of Parque Lleras. And the link is prostitution specifically illegal prostitution, and foreigners. Leaves the impression that the problem is underage being trafficked to foreigners. The public has heard this on the news and now this is very very bad news for the 99 plus percent of us that have nothing to do with illegal activities.

I was planning on going to Med next week sometime but now wondering. Puts a target on our heads. Looks, assumptions that people are making, to say nothing of giving the green light to police to extort gringos.[/QUOTE]The video says the restrictions will start on the 30th of March.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797117]No prostitution allowed? So. Gustos? Lleras park bar? Do they think non working girls are going to show up there? LOL wtf so stupid.[/QUOTE]When I first started visiting Medellin over 20 years ago Parque Lleras was a place for the wealthy to hang out.

A family place really and on the weekends a party place for the rich kids.

Over the years it's become a party place for foreigners and working girls.

Even more so after the COVID period.

Though I enjoy hanging out there and watching the show on occasion, I've often wondered why the Medellin elite were allowing it to consume their Parque Lleras and surrounding area now.

Looks like they want to take it back.

In actuality, if the "blockade" persists, word will get out, and obviously a good number of weekend warriors will avoid Medellin.

Maybe head back to Cartagena and continue the demise of that once great place to hang out as well.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2797325]

Which centro Casa has the best lineup these days?
[/QUOTE]Casa X has the best line up, easy. No wait. Its casa Y.

Is there Telegram group for mongers in Medellin? If there isn't one, someone should make one. On Telegram you don't have to reveal you phone number. Should we make one happen?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2797366]When I first started visiting Medellin over 20 years ago Parque Lleras was a place for the wealthy to hang out.

A family place really and on the weekends a party place for the rich kids.

Over the years it's become a party place for foreigners and working girls.

Even more so after the COVID period.

Though I enjoy hanging out there and watching the show on occasion, I've often wondered why the Medellin elite were allowing it to consume their Parque Lleras and surrounding area now.

Looks like they want to take it back.

In actuality, if the "blockade" persists, word will get out, and obviously a good number of weekend warriors will avoid Medellin.

Maybe head back to Cartagena and continue the demise of that once great place to hang out as well.

Cheers. 🍻[/QUOTE]That sounds good and all but I hope they at least keep one club open full of working girls, that concept is pretty convenient, makes it easier so that you don't have to guess who's working and who isn't like you would at a regular club.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2796846]In most countries the police behavior would be rightly called racist too. I never see them stop white folks, nor tourists.[/QUOTE]I've been stopped in Medellin 2 x and in Cali. The worst experience I ever had though was in the DR. I am white and look very gringo. After I feigned ignorance of Spanish, aside from enough to convey that I loved their city and police officers, the Colombian cops let me move on without bribes. In the DR I had to go to the police station and sit for 2 hours. Ended up paying 500 pesos (10 I believe).

The Medellin forum is a strange one. I've used ISG in several cities and the Medellin forum is the only one that I can't find any reviews. It seems like a lot of you guys just enjoy talking and arguing with one another rather than sharing info LOL. Why??

I'm heading to Medellin for the first time. Looking to get in touch with independent escorts rather than going to one of the Casas or street walkers. Nothing compares to just calling a girl to your room. Is there any site that anyone recommends? Any contacts you can share?

Gracias.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2797110]Last year, I had an absolutely forgettable experience [at Fase II]. Returning this year, I found the cover charge upped to 30 k, the club completely remodeled, and the place very vacant. There might have been less than 30 customers, and about a dozen providers. Dances on the stage were infrequent. The talent was not impressive. The fee to go back to the cabins was 300 k (330 k if you use a credit card).

It was worse at Luna Lunera. 30 k to get in. Once inside, there was only one other customer! On a Saturday night! Only 8 providers. None of them were 'sponge worthy,' so I didn't even ask what the price was.

On the other hand, Zandalay is within walking distance of New Life, and is nice alternative. Prices are reasonable and, right now, it seems to specialize in slim spinners.[/QUOTE]Went to Luna Lunera a week ago and they wanted 30 K entrance and a 3 beer minimum at 25 K each. I asked to just look inside and the bouncer wanted the 30 K first. I stopped to think about it and then saw two quite ordinary women walking in, so I passed.

Drivers have said that San Diego Show may be worth checking out for a step up from Barre Ejecutiva. Have not gone yet, so any thoughts would be appreciated.

Rhetorical question. What would the "Medellin elite" do in a re-claimed Parque Lleras? Anyone who knew the place as recently as 5 years ago knows the upscale establishments are long gone. Personally it would not make a difference to me if the whole thing were sealed off inside a concrete barrier like a time capsule, I've been there maybe ten times in the past 15 years. Mayor Quintero is going to make a show of Lleras and Botero for the remaining 10 months of his administration in the hope of getting re-elected. The guy was recalled less than a year ago so it's likelhy to be an uphill battle. Some may remember he put a curfew in place for people under the age of 18. It was not effective. Maybe the barrier will make Lleras an exclusive nightlife venue people will be willing to wait on line to enter. Whether or not that happens it's safe to say the providers and punters will move the party somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2797366]When I first started visiting Medellin over 20 years ago Parque Lleras was a place for the wealthy to hang out.

A family place really and on the weekends a party place for the rich kids.

Over the years it's become a party place for foreigners and working girls.

Even more so after the COVID period.

Though I enjoy hanging out there and watching the show on occasion, I've often wondered why the Medellin elite were allowing it to consume their Parque Lleras and surrounding area now.

Looks like they want to take it back.

In actuality, if the "blockade" persists, word will get out, and obviously a good number of weekend warriors will avoid Medellin.

Maybe head back to Cartagena and continue the demise of that once great place to hang out as well.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;2797329]I am the number 1 Medellin party animal. I am a regular in all the clubs in El Poblado. Just ask about Harry.

However seriously I have met on FB girl who was under 18. After I explained to her that she's too young, she removed the date of birth from her profile. There are other profiles where the age is 22 or something however the girl in the photos doesn't look that old to me. Has anyone had problems, with the police or with blackmail or both? I don't think that I'm a 100% expert in knowing if a girl is 16 or 20. Even with ID, she could be borrowing her big sister's.[/QUOTE]You say you are from the Yew Ess but you are not a native speaker of English. Stop lying and wasting everyone's time.

[QUOTE=Viracon13;2797391]The Medellin forum is a strange one. I've used ISG in several cities and the Medellin forum is the only one that I can't find any reviews. It seems like a lot of you guys just enjoy talking and arguing with one another rather than sharing info LOL. Why??

I'm heading to Medellin for the first time. Looking to get in touch with independent escorts rather than going to one of the Casas or street walkers. Nothing compares to just calling a girl to your room. Is there any site that anyone recommends? Any contacts you can share?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]I think you are wrong because you have not done your homework but you have come to the right place. Look up Reports of Disitinction.

[QUOTE=Viracon13;2797391]The Medellin forum is a strange one. I've used ISG in several cities and the Medellin forum is the only one that I can't find any reviews. It seems like a lot of you guys just enjoy talking and arguing with one another rather than sharing info LOL.[/QUOTE]Haha. So true. Take a look at the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread if you want to see the toxicity in all it's neckbearded glory. The same 5 guys yelling at each other about nothing endlessly over and over and over.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797117]No prostitution allowed? So. Gustos? Lleras park bar? Do they think non working girls are going to show up there? LOL wtf so stupid.[/QUOTE]It is a fucked up situattion. I doubt it will effect Gustos one bit but if anyone reads this forum thoroughly then they know that those should be the last sources for pussy anyway. I have pulled chicas from Lleras but it was because I went there to party and just happened to see a cute flaca. I would not make that my primary source.

[QUOTE=Viracon13;2797391]The Medellin forum is a strange one. I've used ISG in several cities and the Medellin forum is the only one that I can't find any reviews. It seems like a lot of you guys just enjoy talking and arguing with one another rather than sharing info LOL. Why??

I'm heading to Medellin for the first time. Looking to get in touch with independent escorts rather than going to one of the Casas or street walkers. Nothing compares to just calling a girl to your room. Is there any site that anyone recommends? Any contacts you can share?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]It's kind of weird. There are guys who have used ISG in several cities and who ask where the reviews are, but they never have managed to ever post any reviews of their own. Very strange.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2797440]It is a fucked up situattion. I doubt it will effect Gustos one bit but if anyone reads this forum thoroughly then they know that those should be the last sources for pussy anyway. I have pulled chicas from Lleras but it was because I went there to party and just happened to see a cute flaca. I would not make that my primary source.[/QUOTE]I got a hot one from lleras park bar but want to go back to gustos next time I go because I did see a lot more hotter girls at gustos. Yeah they charge more but who cares when money isn't an issue. As long as you're happy. I actually like the concept of going to a club and not having to guess who's down to go home with you and who isn't. At gustos and lleras if you got the bread or decent looking you are guaranteed pussy. It's like Hong Kong Tijuana without actual strippers. So hopefully it doesn't go away. At least there you don't have to hope the girl looks like her pictures, not to mention it's better than picking up a street hooker or at least feel like you're not.

Where to get a good beef burger in Centro? (with meat that's not an overminced bland patty of suspicious contents which make you wonder what is it exactly that you're actually eating).

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2797387]I've been stopped in Medellin 2 x and in Cali. The worst experience I ever had though was in the DR.[/QUOTE]Not sure what that has to do w me saying the police behaviour in pqe berrio is racist.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2797422]You say you are from the Yew Ess but you are not a native speaker of English. Stop lying and wasting everyone's time.[/QUOTE]Must be half the population of usa don't speak EN as first language, and of those that do, most don't speak it very well that's why they have moronic leaders.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797484]At gustos and lleras if you got the bread or decent looking you are guaranteed pussy. [/QUOTE]Yes. That is the general idea of going to a place you know is full of hookers.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2797564]Where to get a good beef burger in Centro? (with meat that's not an overminced bland patty of suspicious contents which make you wonder what is it exactly that you're actually eating).[/QUOTE]I've never had a burger in Medellin like you describe. Where did you find that?

I've had a lot of burgers, many different places and most have been good, although unless you like them medium rare you need to tell the waiter "tres cuartos" when asked how you want it cooked. The fat content tends to be low. So overcooked patties are really dry.

There are a couple places near Aranjuez that are supposed to be good. I don't know of any in particular in El Centro, although Google Maps shows a few. In Poblado and Laureles there are some good places. Usually can't go wrong with Chef Burger or Barbacoa, Burger and Beer. Firehouse are decent as well. Classic Diner in Envigado is worth a visit. I don't know if it's still the case, but Jack and Roll in Envigado used to be the best burgers in Medellin.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2797564]Where to get a good beef burger in Centro? (with meat that's not an overminced bland patty of suspicious contents which make you wonder what is it exactly that you're actually eating).[/QUOTE]El Corral.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2797564]Where to get a good beef burger in Centro? (with meat that's not an overminced bland patty of suspicious contents which make you wonder what is it exactly that you're actually eating).[/QUOTE]El Corral is a chain restaurant that has been mentioned a several times. You should be able to find one iaround El Centro.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2797397]Rhetorical question. What would the "Medellin elite" do in a re-claimed Parque Lleras? Anyone who knew the place as recently as 5 years ago knows the upscale establishments are long gone. Personally it would not make a difference to me if the whole thing were sealed off inside a concrete barrier like a time capsule, I've been there maybe ten times in the past 15 years. Mayor Quintero is going to make a show of Lleras and Botero for the remaining 10 months of his administration in the hope of getting re-elected. The guy was recalled less than a year ago so it's likelhy to be an uphill battle. Some may remember he put a curfew in place for people under the age of 18. It was not effective. Maybe the barrier will make Lleras an exclusive nightlife venue people will be willing to wait on line to enter. Whether or not that happens it's safe to say the providers and punters will move the party somewhere else.[/QUOTE]I think the days of Lleras being the gringo spot are numbered. It's attracted the worst of the locals that the upper class Colombians can't stand it. I see Laureles as being the next hot spot for gringos.

For example the buildings next to Energy Living are all upper class Colombians living there and now it's being bombarded with hoodrat girls from Bello Manríquez Popular on a daily basis. It gets worse and and worse and it's been like this for a while. I think the breaking point will be when the other buildings finish construction to compete with energy.

The druggings and robberies are a daily occurrence now in that area.

But hey what do I know? I'm a gringo too but in the past 6 years I can clearly tell a big difference.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2797596]I've never had a burger in Medellin like you describe. Where did you find that?

I've had a lot of burgers, many different places and most have been good, although unless you like them medium rare you need to tell the waiter "tres cuartos" when asked how you want it cooked. The fat content tends to be low. So overcooked patties are really dry.

There are a couple places near Aranjuez that are supposed to be good. I don't know of any in particular in El Centro, although Google Maps shows a few. In Poblado and Laureles there are some good places. Usually can't go wrong with Chef Burger or Barbacoa, Burger and Beer. Firehouse are decent as well. Classic Diner in Envigado is worth a visit. I don't know if it's still the case, but Jack and Roll in Envigado used to be the best burgers in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Hamburgers are not really a Colombian staple but they are catching on with the locals. In the last couple of years in Laureles I've seen half a dozen new places open up, just in the areas I frequent.

Are any of them good? I'm a vegetarian so I can't opine. But I've heard from some of my cronies that Chef Burger is very good quality and at a moderate price.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797484]I got a hot one from lleras park bar...I actually like the concept of going to a club and not having to guess who's down to go home with you and who isn't. At gustos and lleras if you got the bread or decent looking you are guaranteed pussy....At least there you don't have to hope the girl looks like her pictures, not to mention it's better than picking up a street hooker or at least feel like you're not.[/QUOTE]I fucking LOVE Lleras Park bar. We all have varying opinions, but that's my favorite bar on planet Earth and I've been all over the world. The 2 girls I took back to the Mansion from there were Angels sent straight from Heaven for me.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2797395]Went to Luna Lunera a week ago and they wanted 30 K entrance and a 3 beer minimum at 25 K each. .[/QUOTE]When I went it was 30 k, no beer requirements. I had 1. There were only 8 chicas in there and my friends and I were the only dudes. 3 of us. But I will say the girl I took upstairs was absolutely incredible, hot asf and did everything I would have wanted to without even having to ask. I believe it was 275 k or 250 k and I tipped an extra 50 k. Cost more than I wanted it to, but I didn't regret one bit. Little sexy chick Valentina, highly recommend her.

[QUOTE=Viracon13;2797391]The Medellin forum is a strange one. I've used ISG in several cities and the Medellin forum is the only one that I can't find any reviews. It seems like a lot of you guys just enjoy talking and arguing with one another rather than sharing info LOL. Why??

I'm heading to Medellin for the first time. Looking to get in touch with independent escorts rather than going to one of the Casas or street walkers. Nothing compares to just calling a girl to your room. Is there any site that anyone recommends? Any contacts you can share?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]First of all there are reviews on here, but this is such an active board that you will have to go thru pages and pages to read some of them. I wrote a very lengthy review on about 5 places and about 8 chicks back in mid-late Jan.

In regards to your question about independents, there's a few websites but TBH just roll on down to Lleras Park bar in the evening and you will have more than you can shake a stick at and they aint street walkers. It's like going to bar and picking up a hot chick, except it's a slam dunk.

Hello all just an FYI, I have RTFF, and my questions are about the current situation and FB, SA thoughts / opinions.

Going to Medellin in May for 5 days and the question is, with all the recent developments, what area do you suggest for a first timer.

I was leaning toward Poblado and was wondering if I pick up a lady from the park lleras area, and have a hotel about 4 blocks away, is it still not safe to walk back to hotel with chica or is Uber the best way to proceed.

I have also created a FB account and have a few ladies who accepted my friend request and also been working SA with a age range of 21 to 45. I am 54. Already have 2 of the younger ones telling me they need help with school and rent. I had to laugh to keep from telling them to GTFOH. I been communicating with three 40+ yo woman and the tricky part is how to keep them from thinking they got a potential SD and not just a five day friend willing to compensate for their time.

Hello all just an FYI, I have RTFF, and my questions are about the current situation and FB, SA thoughts / opinions.

Going to Medellin in May for 5 days and the question is, with all the recent developments, what area do you suggest for a first timer.

I was leaning toward Poblado and was wondering if I pick up a lady from the park lleras area, and have a hotel about 4 blocks away, is it still not safe to walk back to hotel with chica or is Uber the best way to proceed.

I have also created a FB account and have a few ladies who accepted my friend request and also been working SA with a age range of 21 to 45. I am 54. Already have 2 of the younger ones telling me they need help with school and rent, I had to laugh to keep from telling them to GTFOH. I been communicating with three 40+ yo woman and the tricky part is how to keep them from thinking they got a potential SD and not just a five day friend willing to compensate for their time. LOL. I know I am not the first, all responses appreciated.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2797686] For example the buildings next to Energy Living are all upper class Colombians living there and now it's being bombarded with hoodrat girls from Bello Manrquez Popular on a daily basis. It gets worse and and worse and it's been like this for a while. I think the breaking point will be when the other buildings finish construction to compete with energy. [/QUOTE]I love it. I hope to see lots of hoodrats on my next stay there.

LOL! No, El Corral is too upscale for Centro. The nearest one would be Premium Plaza. That is closer to Poblado than it is to Centro. There isn't even a McDonalds on Junin any more. I can tell you where to find arepas and chicken gizzard chuzos in Centro. LOL!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797674]El Corral is a chain restaurant that has been mentioned a several times. You should be able to find one iaround El Centro.[/QUOTE]

First off the good. Someone said there isn't enough reviews of Medellin. It is an amazing place and most of the advice you will find is spot on. Here are some things I'm going to add I don't see a lot mentioned but likely go along with the same general theme. These are all just my opinions and I could be completely 100% wrong. But probably not 100%.

Spanish. I can't say enough how much better your experience will be if you are comfortable with basic conversational Spanish. If you don't know Spanish very well, wait 6 months to come and spend an hour or two each day working up your Spanish skills. Do a lot of listening because despite me having some Spanish skills, it is hard to understand when people speak it and you must be able to understand them to respond. Learn enough so you can be expecting what questions they may have when you purchase something. There is almost nothing you can ask for to purchase that there is not a follow up question. A simple one you will get a lot is they will ask you if you want a bag. They charge for plastic bags here. And there seems to be an infinite number of ways they can ask you if you want a bag. The last thing they will do is point to the bag or hold it up.

Most people are pretty polite when you can't speak well ordering food or trying to get into your accommodations. But even the nice people become clearly frustrated and it makes their jobs more stressful. The ones that want to please will keep trying to ask questions in spanish about every little thing. Then a few will outright show their displeasure, roll their eyes or their fellow workers will be laughing at their friend trying to accommodate the 'idiot' gringo who came to Colombia knowing no Spanish. It's just bad for our future as gringos showing up here with no knowledge of their language. You can get by. Don't get me wrong. You will still have a good time. But you are leaving so much more up to chance.

Now specifically with street women and freelance bar girls and Spanish. The ones that know English enough where you can actually communicate to them in english are the worst performers and worst value for your money. They speak half broken terrible english because they want more money from you. They use your lack of Spanish to re-arrange the table anytime they choose and prey on your ignorance of their language to shake more money out of you. It tells them in 3 seconds you don't know what you are really doing. They will charge you more than the colombian men for less services. Not all women of course. But on the street especially the one yelling out to you in english and trying to call and chase you down are the ones to ignore. The ones that are aggressive. Just ignore them. They will always be less value in my opinion and will try to charge extra for everything.

In fact I had already had several experiences with women coaxing me and targeting me and then trying to have a fun time with them. In all of the instances it wasn't 'terrible'. But they were all at the bottom of the list. Then after I already knew better and SWORE I would not go with a woman targeting me. Along came one who had the perfect ass, perfect tits, amazing face. That ass just took away my judgement. 50 k she said. Fair enough. This 'hot woman' was easily the worst of my mongering exploits. The combination of not being able to speak Spanish well and her being a straight up hoe bag made it just not so good. The sex actually wasn't that bad and she gave great eye contact giving head. But Every little thing. She wanted to charge me to not use the condom. Then when I told her to use it, she wanted money for the condom. The root of the problem is most easily cured by leveling up Spanish skills so you lead everything and are in control. You can't be in control if you don't know the language.

Aggressiveness goes into a general rule I now have. Ignore the aggressive ones. Many of the women are shy and reserved. Those are the ones you want. Because they are shy they will do what you want without asking for more money, asking for a tip, and endless stupid little things that for me was not about even the money. It just annoys the F out of me. It isn't always about paying more money. It's about not having to deal with the inscent begging and nagging for a dollar here and a dollar there. And trust me if you gave them $100 US dollars the women that chase you down and are aggressive on the streets will not let you go until they ask you if they can get another $10. Paying more or extra up front. The worst idea ever.

My advice is look for eye contact and a smile. If they don't come to you and can let you walk past a few times without losing their mind and trying to drag you into the building they would be a good one to approach.

Cleanliness. Get your teeth whitened. Get your nails manicured. Trim or shave you underarm hair. This applies mostly to women that are not street prostitutes. But even in those instances, since I have gotten my teeth whitened (they were pretty bad) it has made an absolute difference with every woman I've met here. I've avoided the women that just would not care I expect.

On paying more vs less and all that. I've got strong opinions as I've had many stripper girlfriends and lived with women that have pay to play dates. Even though women are charging money does not change the fact they have lust, fall in love, and have a lot of sex where they don't charge anybody anything. Most of the strippers and prostitutes I've dated, I would take them to swingers clubs and they would have sex for free with dozens of couples. That let me have sex with their hot wives and girlfriends. No money exchange at all. How do these strippers and prostitutes I know and lived with treat guys that pay them? Well it never would have anything to do with the amount the guy was paying and any guy paying was always at a huge disadvantage to having the best times with them.

Because when they are fucking for money it is a job. It completely changes their enthusiasm and more money I believe quickly moves them ALL into thinking "how much money can I get out of this guy? Every stripper and prostitute I've been friends with and lived with and had lots of sex with I never got them because of money. I was the guy that was cool with them doing their thing and judging them. There were with me because I was more fun, more interesting, and more exciting. All women want to be with the fun exciting guy when it comes to great sex. The guy that gives them money is a paycheck.

I pay to play in Medellin but very little. Most women I meet now are off of Colombian Cupid and then sometimes seeking. I've got women here buying me dinner, letting me stay with them, and several are literally in love with me and would have me move in. Not because I'm great looking or have money at all. They just want sincere attention. They have all been extremely sexual. More down with oral for extended periods than the street prostitutes. And super easy to talk to. Because they are not on the clock and actually like you they also are for more tolerant of your Spanish skills and will help you learn. I still monger for the variety but I know I'm not going to get the best of them by paying anything. Certainly not by paying more or extra.

Finally I would make sure to get a few dozen phrases down that tell people to leave you alone that are trying to beg or sell you stuff. Particularly in Pablado I've had a few physical encounters over overzealous street men (all have been men that get aggressive) trying to get me to buy weed, cocaine, or some stupid candy of some kind. Saying "No gracias" the first time is fine. But there are small minority that literally get their money from gringos through harassment. So saying no just once isn't enough. Their game is to keep hounding you until you give them money or get agitated enough to scream at them.

So I'll say along with this incident that knowing basic self defence and grappling is not a bad thing in an environment like what you will most come across in Medellin from my experience. Most of the problems are with single individual men that are poor and and rather desperate. They are more annoying than anything but they will put their hands on you sometimes and for me that crosses a line. Now I would be first to say always de-escalate and you need to judge the situation. I've had over 20 years of marital arts training so I don't scare easy particularly in a rather crowded area. In one incident I had a rather smallish street guy about 25 had asked me to buy weed or cocaine. I said 'no gracias' and kept walking. He then came up behind me and grabbed my arm and tried to stop me from walking forward. With that I grabbed the top of his hand and quickly just flipped it over and put him on his knees with a wrist lock. Very simple. I leaned down and yelled "tu comprendo No Gracias. I don't want your fucking cocaine" or something like that. Not my best moment. But when I have someone actually physically grab me in the street after they have already been told to leave me alone I typically am not going to let that go.

There were police not even 20 yards away that looked over as I still had him in the wrist lock and he was on his knees. I let him up and he apologised and went on his way. Cops didn't even move. But my next move was to leave the area. I think anytime you get into even a verbal confrontation with a local despite how it resolves best to not hang around and wait for them to get courage or find friends. I've actually not been back to El Pabaldo since that night. Not because I'm afraid it is just that you are constantly harassed for buying things or giving people money to the point I just don't enjoy being there anymore. Again knowing Spanish and not just saying "no gracias", but having something more meaningful to say to him in Spanish would have avoided the situation entirely. I would not handle it the same way again and should have stayed with a non-physical reaction to him putting his hands on me. But I think having some basic self defence skills in a place like Medellin goes a long way as it is very expensive to get quality training in martial arts in Colombia. I've read you can't carry a knife in Colombia as it is designated as a lethal weapon. Plus knives you have to pull out anyway. I'm sure there are better ideas, but I personally buy a bottle of coke in a glass bottle. Typically costs less than a US $1. I can drink the coke and I have that glass bottle which in a pinch would certainly make for a rather shocking melee weapon should the need arise.

That brings me to my final point. There are many fair skinned Colombians. One of the women I'm dating her son is as light skinned as I am. Many colombians are. So we get targeted as gringos mostly by how we act, how we dress, how we speak and where we are at. If you can speak Spanish well then with one sentence you will quickly be seen as someone to be respected and that has been in Medellin a while vs a gringo that just took the uber from the airport.

With all that said, you will have a great time in Medellin even if you just know Hola, con gusto, and Cuanta questa? But if you are coming to Medellin I implore you for our reputations as fellow gringos to learn as much spanish as you can before you come.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2797567]Not sure what that has to do w me saying the police behaviour in pqe berrio is racist.[/QUOTE]Apologies. I though you were implying that Colombian police were racist towards a certain group of individuals.

Thanks gents, I will try el Corral, I see there's one near San Antonio station. I just saw earlier another chain-looking place called Presto near Coltejer, will try it too.

I've tried a place that's in the same building as hotel Nutibara (behind it), that had a burger in its name. I got something that I thought they bought of the lowest shelf in supermarket, of "burger in microwave in 2 minutes!" variety (and, as if that wasn't enough, cold fries).

Tried another place on Carabobo and wasn't sure what kind of meat I got and, for a brief moment, I wondered; is it actually meat? Did they mince some arepas and painted it brown?

I can't complain about non-minced meat in Centro though so far, I just can't find place with a good burger near Botero Plaza.

As for non-centro places, many thanks for the list JjBee62. I've already tried Chef Burger before and it's one of my favorites, but didn't try the others you mentioned (yet).

The other day I tasted one from Home Burgers, pretty good too. I also got one in Buenos Aires Mercolanta store (which has the small restaurant & heladeria attached to it and they use their own meats) good as well. Oh and tried one from Qbano, not very good, although it did taste of meat, but the patty was very dry and had a strange consistency.

[QUOTE=Viracon13;2797391]The Medellin forum is a strange one. I've used ISG in several cities and the Medellin forum is the only one that I can't find any reviews. It seems like a lot of you guys just enjoy talking and arguing with one another rather than sharing info LOL. Why??

I'm heading to Medellin for the first time. Looking to get in touch with independent escorts rather than going to one of the Casas or street walkers. Nothing compares to just calling a girl to your room. Is there any site that anyone recommends? Any contacts you can share?

Gracias.[/QUOTE]To be candid, this is a bit rich coming from a guy that says he has used ISG on visits to several cities, yet only posted 5 times with most of those being questions. Perhaps if you actually 'give,' you will receive?

The above noted, the fact of the matter is:

1) You're so overwhelmed by women in Medellin, a metro with 4+ million people that trying to line up something with 1 particular girl is ridiculous so people more often speak in generalizations. If you do want a hot 'in call' independent girl I'd just use the photo prepagos or other Colombia prepago sites (there are 3-5, a list is in one of the other threads). Facebook is a second option, apps a third (not recommended), strip clubs a fourth, and Parque Lleras / Gustos a fifth. I could go on and on.

2) Despite recommendations, I think we all know YMMV based upon the girls day, your attractiveness, your fluency in Spanish, how 'weird' the stuff is that you request, and a hundred other female specific items.

3) Turnover can be really high here. Girls typically on do it for 3-4 years during their early 20's and will be working one month and totally off the next w / different whatsapp and FB profile shutdown.

4) Some guys are just hesitant as they've been burned after giving recommendations. I personally don't mind for the prepago site girls and must popular girls, but for others. Like the semi-pros I wait until I've at least met the guy in person. I've had a few completely weird the girls out in the past and learned my lesson.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2797761]To be candid, this is a bit rich coming from a guy that says he has used ISG on visits to several cities, yet only posted 5 times with most of those being questions. Perhaps if you actually 'give,' you will receive?

.[/QUOTE]40% of my posts are reviews. How about you? I provide contacts through DMs to several people as well.

Not sure why you're defensive. Go to a few other forums and you'll see the obvious difference between this forum and others.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2797758]Thanks gents, I will try el Corral, I see there's one near San Antonio station. I just saw earlier another chain-looking place called Presto near Coltejer, will try it too.

I've tried a place that's in the same building as hotel Nutibara (behind it), that had a burger in its name. I got something that I thought they bought of the lowest shelf in supermarket, of "burger in microwave in 2 minutes!" variety (and, as if that wasn't enough, cold fries).

Tried another place on Carabobo and wasn't sure what kind of meat I got and, for a brief moment, I wondered; is it actually meat? Did they mince some arepas and painted it brown?

I can't complain about non-minced meat in Centro though so far, I just can't find place with a good burger near Botero Plaza.

As for non-centro places, many thanks for the list JjBee62. I've already tried Chef Burger before and it's one of my favorites, but didn't try the others you mentioned (yet).

The other day I tasted one from Home Burgers, pretty good too. I also got one in Buenos Aires Mercolanta store (which has the small restaurant & heladeria attached to it and they use their own meats) good as well. Oh and tried one from Qbano, not very good, although it did taste of meat, but the patty was very dry and had a strange consistency.[/QUOTE]Presto is good too but in my opinion Presto is more like a Burger King or Carl's Jr type burger and El Corral is more like a restaurant burger more along the lines of a Red Robbin burger. There's a place called Clap Burger near poblado that was good also (similar to In-and-Out) but they only have outdoor seating.

[QUOTE=Dachi14;2797704]I have also created a FB account and have a few ladies who accepted my friend request and also been working SA with a age range of 21 to 45. I am 54. Already have 2 of the younger ones telling me they need help with school and rent. I had to laugh to keep from telling them to GTFOH. I been communicating with three 40+ yo woman and the tricky part is how to keep them from thinking they got a potential SD and not just a five day friend willing to compensate for their time.[/QUOTE]What are you communicating with them for? They are hookers, not potential girlfriends that need attention from you all the time. You simply add them to your list and let it be. Then you contact them when you are there or maybe a day or 2 before, but acting like you are actually there.

If you plan on going to a fancy restaurant in May for your birthday you don't call up the maitre the everyday starting in March. He has other customers to serve and is not trying to deal with you like that, especially if he does not know your money is guaranteed.

The hookers are not just sitting around waiting for you. They have other customers to deal with. All you can do for them with that much distance and time in between is to send them money. So if you do not plan on doing that then just add them to your list and chill.

P.S. Funny that you would go on a sugar daddy / sugar baby website, but not want the chicks to think you are a potential sugar daddy. That is like going on grindr but not wanting people to think you are gay.

So I submitted a long winded meandering rundown of some of my thoughts on upping your game in Medellin. What I'm hoping with this post is someone could help with perhaps starting to put together a Medellin spanish sex reference for requesting specific acts and sexual kinks. I judge nobody so whatever floats your boat I just want to know as much Spanish as I can with regards to sexual kinks and fantasies if for no other reason to practice and have conversations with women to ask them what they like or don't like.

My body count here is probably around 45 so I'm no 'expert'. But my take is most don't even know simple slang we take for granted. I've had many that 'blow job' is enough to put them into a confused blank stare. You are literally better served by just making a hand motion to your mouth like sucking dick. They get that.

So does there happen to be anyone on this forum that could throw out some spanish phrases to start it going on what we can use to communicate the sexual aspects of sex with the women of Medellin. I know there might be more general spanish resources and such but regions matter so much that I would expect Medellin has it's own spanish slang for sex.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2797699]I fucking LOVE Lleras Park bar. We all have varying opinions, but that's my favorite bar on planet Earth and I've been all over the world. The 2 girls I took back to the Mansion from there were Angels sent straight from Heaven for me.[/QUOTE]It's like you said, a slam dunk because every girl there is a prepago. How amazing it would be to have places like that back home but instead here bars are mostly filled with entitled females who don't put out and if they do they are certainly not even close to being as hot as the girls you'll find at lleras park or gustos.

They must protect these establishments at all costs.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2796504]What was it over? Why did he shoot her? I also can't find the one where teacher got stabbed in neck and bled out all over, he got involved with two drunks treating waitresses bad! Any one have that one?[/QUOTE]I recall posting it in 2020. But the site is gone / transferred.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2514374]It's awful and heartbreaking and should be considered as a reminder to be very careful and behave yourself, but the victim wasn't a gringo he was a local teacher (the video is very graphic, you can scroll to 1:10):
[URL]https://hoodsite.com/teacher-dead-stabbed-neck-colombia/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2796504] I also can't find the one where teacher got stabbed in neck and bled out all over, he got involved with two drunks treating waitresses bad! Any one have that one?[/QUOTE]Found it on FB:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/notisurcolombia/videos/196007495528658[/URL]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2797752]LOL! No, El Corral is too upscale for Centro. .... LOL![/QUOTE]He seems to have found one.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2797758]Thanks gents, I will try el Corral, I see there's one near San Antonio station. ....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2797752].... That is closer to Poblado than it is to Centro. There isn't even a McDonalds on Junin any more. I can tell you where to find arepas and chicken gizzard chuzos in Centro. LOL![/QUOTE]I think I mentioned in a post to you before that there is one in Unicentro which is walking distance for me from El Centro. I don't see anything upscale about it. It's just a small store like any other when it is located inside the mall. There are several places ithat offer better, similar type of food in El Centro at similar price point. I am not a burger person so it makes no difference to me and by default it is not upscale for me.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2797753]...Spanish. I can't say enough how much better your experience will be if you are comfortable with basic conversational Spanish. If you don't know Spanish very well, wait 6 months to come and spend an hour or two each day working up your Spanish skills. ....[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write the report. I think one should come, don't wait, you probably will never be ready if you wait.

The discussion goes in cycle. Spanish knowledge is one of them. For credit card purchase, I think [b]quotas/installments[/b] will be most confusing to new visitors because it is a concept that does not exist in US for most.

I rarely encounter rude behavior, none I can remember. On multiple occasions the waiter just brought out all the drink types they have on the table to explain to me. When I ordered picada, I just put my palm on my jaw or point to my ear and they know what I want. LOL.

One time I was standing some distance away from a street vendor that I know in El Centro. She saw me and made a WTF or what do you want gesture with her palms facing the sky. So I went and got my dinner.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2797753]With that I grabbed the top of his hand and quickly just flipped it over and put him on his knees with a wrist lock.[/QUOTE]Man I'd avoid the physical confrontation like this, martial arts won't help you much against knife in the back or gun in your face and you were wise not to come back there otherwise the guy might want to settle the score of this "disrespect". Though MA might help in back against the wall situation but guy putting a hand on you on busy street doesn't qualify for that in my mind. Just throw it away and move on. It doesn't mean much it's illegal to carry a knife, a lot of street guys are carrying them. Pepper gas might be handy I guess.

Sometimes 'no gracias' is too much of acknowledgment. I often just ignore them totally as if they don't exist or make a quick decisive hand gesture signifying "no / go away" while not even looking or changing my pace.

Anyway, great report.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797919]Thanks for taking the time to write the report. I think one should come, don't wait, you probably will never be ready if you wait.[/QUOTE]I agree don't wait. My trips are probably my favorite thing in life. My first trip was solo because my friend backed out. I decided I was going no matter what. Linked up with a few guys off of a different forum and had a blast. If you don't have a friend to travel with then check out travel announcements. Most guys who post their dates there are friendly enough to at the very least meet for a drink and point you in the right direction. Or just hit up a few well known gringo spots and see if you can find someone like minded. Some of the guys I have met on various trips to different destinations have become very close friends of mine over the years. Feel free to pm me for any help or advice.

Yes, exactly, I don't see anything upscale about it either. For Centro it is too upscale however. I don't think there are enough customers to support one in Centro. I haven't eaten a burger in decades so I can't evaluate their product. I think Premium Plaza is a little closer to San Antonio than Unicentro. He could grab a bus or uber for a quick run to get that burger.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797908]He seems to have found one..[/QUOTE]

Anthony, you wrote my favorite post of the week so far. LOL!

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2797724]I love it. I hope to see lots of hoodrats on my next stay there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2797694]Hamburgers are not really a Colombian staple but they are catching on with the locals. In the last couple of years in Laureles I've seen half a dozen new places open up, just in the areas I frequent.

Are any of them good? I'm a vegetarian so I can't opine. But I've heard from some of my cronies that Chef Burger is very good quality and at a moderate price.[/QUOTE]My old roommate loves burgers, so we spent a lot of time checking out burger joints. Chef Burger is good, but I like the menu at Barbacoa, Burgers and Beer better. If I remember correctly they have a vegetarian burger on the menu.

There are a few good places in Laureles I've visited too.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797908]He seems to have found one..[/QUOTE]There are 2 versions of El Corral. Most of them are fairly typical fast food burger places. The other type is a sit down restaurant with a more upscale and expensive menu. I believe there's one in Oviedo Mall.

There is a place in Santa Fe Mall, I think called Garage Burger, that was pretty good too.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2797817]What I'm hoping with this post is someone could help with perhaps starting to put together a Medellin spanish sex reference for requesting specific acts and sexual kinks. I judge nobody so whatever floats your boat I just want to know as much Spanish as I can with regards to sexual kinks and fantasies if for no other reason to practice and have conversations with women to ask them what they like or don't .[/QUOTE]The basics have been written about multiple times on here if you do a search with the search thread feature. Colombian slang is fun to learn with different sex terms like Leche, polvo, chimba, chimbo, etc.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2797935]Anthony, you wrote my favorite post of the week so far. LOL![/QUOTE]Well it's true haha I want to see plenty of hoodrats walking thru energy living when I arrive. I want to see hoodrats up on the rooftop pool too. The way people are describing energy living is kind of like a Vegas hotel casino atmosphere. I understand there is a nice restaurant on the first floor too.

I'm staying with one of my girls from Mexico so I'm sure she will feel more comfortable walking around in heels if she sees hood rats everywhere LOL.

When you find a girl you want at these bars and you chat with them, do they typically come right out and tell you what they want for $ or is there more of a game to it? In the end is there a typical amount that should get the job done at Gustos or Leiras Park? Hoping to find some "angels" to bring back to the Mansion myself LOL!

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2797699]I fucking LOVE Lleras Park bar. We all have varying opinions, but that's my favorite bar on planet Earth and I've been all over the world. The 2 girls I took back to the Mansion from there were Angels sent straight from Heaven for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2797920]Man I'd avoid the physical confrontation like this, martial arts won't help you much against knife in the back or gun in your face and you were wise not to come back there otherwise the guy might want to settle the score of this "disrespect". Though MA might help in back against the wall situation but guy putting a hand on you on busy street doesn't qualify for that in my mind. Just throw it away and move on. It doesn't mean much it's illegal to carry a knife, a lot of street guys are carrying them. Pepper gas might be handy I guess.

Sometimes 'no gracias' is too much of acknowledgment. I often just ignore them totally as if they don't exist or make a quick decisive hand gesture signifying "no / go away" while not even looking or changing my pace.

Anyway, great report.[/QUOTE]Yes I agree 100% with what you are saying. I do believe in this case I had real good element of surprise and I was certainly taking that into account when I did what I did. I immediately regretted it and in my report said it was not my best moment. De-escalation is always the better path. Like you said, you want to know some basic self defense for when you need it. Not just to get someone to take their hands off you.

I had to deal tonight with some guy shaking a bottle of piss in my face asking for money. He had just been harassing the woman at the cafe. He wanted to use the bathroom and she wasn't letting him. It's not so much they are aggressive but insistent and incapable of taking a simple no for an answer. Nobody was intervening on her behalf and it was all I could do to stay out of that. But once he approached me I was in no mood to put up with him. After throwing a few phrases at him in Spanish and another in English he was gone. Nothing physical but I was really done with him at that point. The locals at the tables around me I could tell were completely satisfied that I got him out of there and how I handled it. I think a lot of people here just don't want the confrontation at all and would prefer to ignore them. But they have no respect for these guys either from what I can tell.

So it is these kinds of guys I'm talking about. They are very poor. You never see the extremely poor women behaving in such an harassing manner. Their thing is to just sit on the sidewalk with their kid (s) and quietly just ask for money. I often drop them a little just because it is all they know to do. But when it comes to those that will cross a street to approach you, get in your face, and are insistent, it is always 100% of the time men. They are always very dirty and seem to intentionally be that way as to solicit sympathy. I'm trying hard to be empathetic as they are poor and they are desperate. But they literally harass people as a way to get money out of them and for me that is a hard no.

One trick I'm using is if I'm sitting outside I'll never sit at the edge seats on the sidewalk. I'll sit a few rows in. If someone ignores everyone else to ask me for money I say "por que yo? Crees que soy especial? Alegjate de mi. " Which means "why me? You think I'm special? Get away from me. " If they are asking everyone and come to me I have no problem with that and I will be very polite. I'll even give them a few coins if I they have treated others and myself well.

I simply don't like being targeted. Full stop. If I'm singled out because I'm a gringo they are always going to get a hard no. I know there will be many on here that will object to my approach. I know I'm a gringo and I can expect to be targeted. But it doesn't mean that I will encourage them or reward them for doing so. I'm still adjusting to the fact that there is just so many people selling useless crap I don't want to literally everyone. It isn't just because we are gringos. It is part of the culture here for people to come through the bars and restaurants pushing wears to get by. So I'm trying to be more giving and will take coins out with me to give to some and change my attitude. So I'm working on softening up and being more tolerant and empathetic.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2797919]Thanks for taking the time to write the report. I think one should come, don't wait, you probably will never be ready if you wait.

The discussion goes in cycle. Spanish knowledge is one of them. For credit card purchase, I think [b]quotas/installments[/b] will be most confusing to new visitors because it is a concept that does not exist in US for most.

I rarely encounter rude behavior, none I can remember. On multiple occasions the waiter just brought out all the drink types they have on the table to explain to me. When I ordered picada, I just put my palm on my jaw or point to my ear and they know what I want. LOL.

One time I was standing some distance away from a street vendor that I know in El Centro. She saw me and made a WTF or what do you want gesture with her palms facing the sky. So I went and got my dinner.[/QUOTE]I would agree that I've never had any straight up rude behaviour myself either. It's body language and typically their friends or other co-workers you can see out of the corner of your eye acknowledging the situation and giggling or laughing. I still think I would encourage people to at least learn a little bit of Spanish before they come. It's a matter of respect for their culture and the people working trying to service you. The respect I feel now is much different than when I barely knew anything. Maybe don't wait. But if you are sitting on the plane watching Shrek for the third time instead of learning Spanish? That is just sad to me.

I'll add that I'm not here just for the sex which that is what this forum is obviously dedicated to. Sex is definitely on the menu but it is just one of the things. I plan to live here and ever day I wish I could hear and understand better than I do. And dealing with the street women. I just can't imagine you would have the same experience if you literally knew no spanish as if you were reasonably well versed. I've had too many instances where it just really destroys the mood. Perhaps because I'm used to talking women before, during and after sex. The inability to communicate well with them for me is why I don't do a lot of the $10-20 street action that is so plentiful.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2798179]I would agree that I've never had any straight up rude behaviour myself either. It's body language and typically their friends or other co-workers you can see out of the corner of your eye acknowledging the situation and giggling or laughing. ...[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention that I went to a private Spanish language school the first time I visited Colombia but it wasn't in Medellin. One should be able to find a school here and get one on one lesson if the class schedule does not match.

I posted this before. I had problem ordering food from the street vendor because they have many options from that one small cart, basically salad, bean, lentil, soup of some kind, pork knuckle, fish steak, roasted meat, BBQ, chicken, juice, and I just nodded my head or si to everything. LOL. I paid a street girl to go with me for dinner and told her to remember the conversation to explain to me later. After we bought our food, she flipped thru every item on my plate with her fingers to tell me the name of each item.

To put things in context, I stayed around different areas to learn about Medellin and to find out where I want to stay in the future. As a result, I often stay in local areas that have no gringo, but not by choice. The mom and pop shops are almost always very welcoming. They always greet me with a smile or with some personal touch when it's older woman. Sometimes the whole place giggle at my presence simply because they have seen me many times and I don't know Spanish that well. I usually go at off peak time. BTW, I am just saying the reaction can go both ways. I think people are more humble in the average lower cost areas.

One visit I moved to Laureles after I stayed in El Centro for a month, the hot dog street vendor on La 70 took advantage of me on the first night I was there. I gave her a 20, but she was fumbling for changes and dealing with other customers. I found some smaller bills on me so I gave it to her to solve her problem not having enough changes to give me back. Not only she held on to all the money but she also proceeded to put all the money into her pocket even after I tried to tell her not to do that. The result was obvious. I told her I knew what she was doing, They just all smiled back at me. I don't think they would do this to a fluent Spanish speaker or a local.

I think it's not difficult to talk to SG if you want to. You can offer them food or drink at any time even with limited Spanish. You basically can interact with them like it is in a club but it's outdoor.

In Medellin hamburgers took off as a food trend about five years ago. I would rate it the #2 biggest fad after Peruvian food. There were not nearly as many burger centric restaurants. They really took off in Laureles.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2797694]Hamburgers are not really a Colombian staple but they are catching on with the locals. In the last couple of years in Laureles I've seen half a dozen new places open up, just in the areas I frequent.

Are any of them good? I'm a vegetarian so I can't opine. But I've heard from some of my cronies that Chef Burger is very good quality and at a moderate price.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to ask, but I can't find any direct link to the Mansion hotel website. Can you please provide?

[QUOTE=SmilyD69;2798165]When you find a girl you want at these bars and you chat with them, do they typically come right out and tell you what they want for $ or is there more of a game to it? In the end is there a typical amount that should get the job done at Gustos or Leiras Park? Hoping to find some "angels" to bring back to the Mansion myself LOL![/QUOTE]I can not speak to Gustos. I went there on my first visit, which was not a mongering trip and I had family with me. So I didn't even talk to any of the chics. From my understanding the prices are fairly high here. I didn't return on my second trip. There's a cover to go in and Lleras Park is much better IMO.

Lleras Park Bar during my first trip I was able to get about 30 minutes of alone time here away from family and I was in heaven. It was really the main reason I made the decision to figure out how to go back to Colombia solo. My second trip long story but I was kinda apprehensive about going in, but on my last night I said fuck it, I'm going in. Try to imagine what it's like for an NBA player at a nightclub here. The girls will be making an effort to get your attention, to talk to you, to get next to you. You will not have to make any effort at all. They will be the ones "trying". That said once they think you are interested they will be trying to get you to leave. This is when you will negotiate. The 3 sum I had with the 2 most beautiful chocolate bunnies I could imagine, we agreed to 250 k each. They will most likely start at 400-500, but it's like bargaining anywhere. Just say nah I'm good and the price goes lower. They do not want to lose a customer they spent time courting. There are wayyy more girls there than dudes. You can always tell them the price you are willing to pay but I'd guess if you said a ridiculously low # they would say no. But Idk, I think my 2 chicas said 400 each and I said the most I can do is 250 and they agreed.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;2798359]Sorry to ask, but I can't find any direct link to the Mansion hotel website. Can you please provide?[/QUOTE][URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2798172]Yes I agree 100% with what you are saying. I do believe in this case I had real good element of surprise and I was certainly taking that into account when I did what I did. I immediately regretted it and in my report said it was not my best moment. De-escalation is always the better path. Like you said, you want to know some basic self defense for when you need it. Not just to get someone to take their hands off you.

I had to deal tonight with some guy shaking a bottle of piss in my face asking for money. He had just been harassing the woman at the cafe. He wanted to use the bathroom and she wasn't letting him. It's not so much they are aggressive but insistent and incapable of taking a simple no for an answer. Nobody was intervening on her behalf and it was all I could do to stay out of that. But once he approached me I was in no mood to put up with him. After throwing a few phrases at him in Spanish and another in English he was gone. Nothing physical but I was really done with him at that point. The locals at the tables around me I could tell were completely satisfied that I got him out of there and how I handled it. I think a lot of people here just don't want the confrontation at all and would prefer to ignore them. But they have no respect for these guys either from what I can tell..[/QUOTE]Sorry, I have to be a bit of a dick here, but real knowledge must be spread to keep the forum legit. So I find it almost unbelievable that you applied a standing kimura and your assailant allowed you to apply it without resistance. I am assuming you meant Kimura when you typed "wrist lock". Anyone in any type of "grappling" training refers to it as a kimura. Or did you mean the bend the hand backward move that you hit your little brother with in third grade? Either way, both these moves cannot be applied in the street standing up in an open environment or any type of altercation where the person you are fighting is going to give any level of resistance really. The "wrist lock" is some Steven Segal bullshit taught at Mcdojos by pretenders and it is virtually useless. For a kimura to be applied successfully, the person you are fighting must be on the ground, or against a wall. The person has to also be engaging you, or the person can simply pull away. This is why you will never see a standing wrist lock or kimura in an mma match. See the video at the end for a rough reference.

I am glad you acknowledged what a mistake it was to even get into a physical altercation in Colombia. Deciding to fight in Colombia is like a cop deciding to use his gun. You only decide to fight when it is absolutely necessary as in your immediate physical safety is greatly threatened and at that point, there is no Mr. Nice Guy wrist lock, you better be throwing heavy fast hooks and overhands to lay out your assailant as fast as possible. Your goal is to inflict as much damage as quickly as possible and then look for an even quicker escape. Do not ever end up in a grappling match with anyone in Medellin as many of them carry knives. You'll get poked quick and bleed out. You also better hope you don't end up in a Colombian prison as well even if you do win the fight. Mace is also not uncommon, especially females. Trust me on that one.

My main point is, do not post be. S. Stories about fighting on the forum, it will only lead people into a false sense of security and get people into trouble. Just because someone harasses and grabs your arm is not even close to give you or anyone the green light to escalate the situation. It will lead to the hospital, prison, or the grave in worst case scenarios. The risk to reward makes no sense in this situation. When the dudes starting pestering you, you can sternly tell them back off and pull your arm away, but as long as they aren't threatening your physical safety, you have nothing to gain by starting an actual fight in public. And if you do actually have to fight, wrist lock is for the movies, not real life.

[URL]https://youtube.com/shorts/hBYyT7dQGo8?feature=share[/URL]

I went to Medellíand for the first time in late February early March. I've read almost every post on Medellíand here, and I was actually terrified of getting robbed, killed, or scoped. I was prepared for the worst but nothing bad happened at all. I stayed at the Mansion and I felt safe. I'm studying Spanish and just trying to learn to speak Spanish goes a long way. I had all kinds of problems with the Check MiG form. The bottom line is if you don't have that Check Mig form you aren't getting on the plane period. It's baffling to me how important that Check Mig form is. I'm going back to Colombia and I'm looking forward to the trip but I dread dealing with the that Check MiG form. I heard (don't know if it is true) that airlines get fined $15 k if someone lands in Colombia without that form.

I went to a Casa called New Life. I thought it was amazing. I had the best sex of my life for $40. I later learned that that's like the worst Casa out there. It is a real mystery to me where these hidden gem Casas in Medellíand are. I did take several girls to my room at the Mansion. They were all super hot and very sweet. There is no way in the world that I could have hooked up with girls like that in the USA. As fun as taking the girls to my room was it wasn't nearly as fun as the Casa I went to.

The area around the Mansion is super nice.

I walked around El Poblado but my spidey senses were kicking in. There are people braver than me that are willing to get stupid drunk there, but I don't think it's a good idea.

My unsolicited advice is to walk around with a sense of purpose. The bad guys don't actually want to fight. They want to rob you and go about their business. If you look organized and squared away chances are they will leave you alone. I can totally see how someone can get complacent in Medellin and that bad things could happen.

There is nothing further to report at this time.

I went to Medellíand lay Feb March 2023. I had a great time with zero issues. I stayed at the Mansion, and brought lots of girls to my room. The girls there are super sweet and hot. There is no way I could hook up with girls that hot in the USA. I went to a Casa called New Life. I had an amazing time. I was later told that is the worst of the Casas. So there is no where to go but up. I was prepared for the worst in Medellin but nothing bad happened. I've studied Spanish for years and I'm not fluent by any means. I'm stuck in the present tense. But even trying to speak Spanish really goes a long way. The people in Medellin are very warm. I'm planning my next trip and I miss Medellíand.

[URL]https://youtu.be/lrxX1A3QgHU[/URL]

2:41.

Any report on the chica with the tattoos in the blue dress?

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2796806]How did you do that? What airline? I fly out of Tijuana often, but never saw one to MDE for less than $300. Please advise.[/QUOTE]This is mainly going to be helpful to guys coming from the LOS Angeles and San Diego metro areas.

First you need to get your self to the Tijuana Airport (that is not included in the $230 usd price I quoted). You can actually get to the Tijuana Airport without ever stepping foot in Tijuana (except for being in the airport terminal obviously) by using the Cross-border Express CBX bridge from San Diego.

Your going to be using 2 different low cost airlines to get from Tijuana to Medellin. The first one is called Vivaaerobus and you want to book a domestic Mexican flight from Tijuana to Cancun. You can usually get this route for about $80 usd direct flight if purchased in advance. Next you will be using a different low cost airline called Wingo and book the route Cancun to Medellin which can usually be purchased in advance for about $150 usd. You may have a few hours in between flights just hang out in the cancun Airport terminal 2 and enjoy a burger from Johnny Rockets.

Also make sure to get an FMM from the Mexican government when you enter Tijuana and you need to surrender it to the wingo lady when you board the flight in Cancun, although they may be doing it differently now as the last time I did this route in reverse Mexico just stamped my passport and wrote 180 in the stamp and didn't give me an FMM but make sure. You ask about it anyways. Also make sure you buy an onward / return ticket to show the wingo lady as well. I usually buy a refundable ticket to Ecuador and then cancel it after I arrive and get my money back, this way I have an open ended return date. And also rember to fill out checkmig and carry your covid cards in your passport.

You just got from the US west coast to Medellin for $230 usd.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=SyphonFilter;2798526][URL]https://youtu.be/lrxX1A3QgHU[/URL]

2:41.

Any report on the chica with the tattoos in the blue dress?[/QUOTE]No there is none.

[QUOTE=SyphonFilter;2798526][URL]https://youtu.be/lrxX1A3QgHU[/URL]

2:41.

Any report on the chica with the tattoos in the blue dress?[/QUOTE]I didn't taste but saw both of them working in el Centro on multiple occasions (damn, when do these girls sleep).

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2798705]This is mainly going to be helpful to guys coming from the LOS Angeles and San Diego metro areas.

First you need to get your self to the Tijuana Airport (that is not included in the $230 usd price I quoted). You can actually get to the Tijuana Airport without ever stepping foot in Tijuana (except for being in the airport terminal obviously) by using the Cross-border Express CBX bridge from San Diego.

Your going to be using 2 different low cost airlines to get from Tijuana to Medellin. The first one is called Vivaaerobus and you want to book a domestic Mexican flight from Tijuana to Cancun. You can usually get this route for about $80 usd direct flight if purchased in advance. Next you will be using a different low cost airline called Wingo and book the route Cancun to Medellin which can usually be purchased in advance for about $150 usd. You may have a few hours in between flights just hang out in the cancun Airport terminal 2 and enjoy a burger from Johnny Rockets.

Also make sure to get an FMM from the Mexican government when you enter Tijuana and you need to surrender it to the wingo lady when you board the flight in Cancun, although they may be doing it differently now as the last time I did this route in reverse Mexico just stamped my passport and wrote 180 in the stamp and didn't give me an FMM but make sure. You ask about it anyways. Also make sure you buy an onward / return ticket to show the wingo lady as well. I usually buy a refundable ticket to Ecuador and then cancel it after I arrive and get my money back, this way I have an open ended return date. And also rember to fill out checkmig and carry your covid cards in your passport.

You just got from the US west coast to Medellin for $230 usd.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I flew from LAX to Medellin on a one way ticket on Avianca on Monday.

The base fare cost for an economy seat was $ 270 USD.

The flight departed at around 9 PM, there was a 1 3/4 hour layover in Bogota, and I was in Medellin by 9 AM on Tuesday morning.

Another option besides flying out of Tijuana if your in the LA area.

I posted earlier this week about my experience, and did pay an additional $ 400 for a business class seat.

Well worth the money if you can afford it, and made it to El Centro early afternoon on Tuesday.

And AVIANCA has a return flight from MDE to LAX that leaves around 9 AM and gets into LAX by 7 PM. There are no other airlines that offer a schedule like this as you don't have to get up early in the morning and you don't arrive late at night.

Arrived in Centro Thursday around 2 PM and noticed that the entire Museum had been barricaded off in front and on the backside. There was also several more police, and a huge contingent of military wearing red berets with semi-automatic rifles all over the place. A very heavy duty presence, something I had never seen before, and apparently the President is coming to town.

On a side note, I pulled an older model, kind of like a Laura Hutton look alike but with black hair and fucked up teeth. I asked her how much, and she said 30 K so I said let's go. A lot of girls are now asking 40 K by the way. I had no expectations or specific requests such as an uncovered BJ before taking her upstairs at Zona Rosa, still 13 K, and upon us taking our showers, I told her if she did a good job there would be a propina and she started kissing me, and then got on her hands and knees and started blowing me. We really hit it off and I will be repeating again with her.

Are there any centro SWs that give decent head? So far it's been pretty disappointing. Unlike in casas. Not sure why. Default being: "it's hard, let's fuck then".

Even negotiating long BJ beforehand doesn't seem to help much, it's just minimally longer, rushed and then "come one fuck me already'. Eh.

Is that a Centro SW thing or have I been unlucky?

Gents,

Thought it'd be interesting to compile my stats and success rate with Seeking and my top 4 lessons learned. Quick background: I'm a 5'6 brown Asian guy, I'm in my late 30's, I speak Spanish at the B2/ C1 level, I use high-quality photos on my profile, and I list 6-figures as my income level. I strongly believe these are the main factors that contribute to your rate of success on the app:

Girls I found attractive who I contacted on Seeking: 80.

Girls who gave me their Whatsapp after we aligned on what we were looking for on the app: 38 out of 80 (48% success rate).

Girls who offered all the services I wanted for a decent rate after negotiating on Whatsapp: 9 out of 38 (24% success rate).

Successful meetups: 4 out of 5 (1 no-show. 80% success rate).

Overall success rate: 5%-10% (4 out of 80 = 5%. Didn't have time for the other 4 girls since I was only there a week and was trying other venues, therefore there's a range if the other 4 girls I didn't try had shown up).

Top 4 Lessons Learned:

1) Buy Premium and start reaching out at least 2 weeks ahead of time and cast a wide net. Some of these girls don't check the app that often or don't receive notifications so there will be delayed responses.

2) Don't waste time on small talk. Introduce yourself, ask her how she's doing, and what she's looking for on the app. "Algo corto tiempo plazo" or "amigos con beneficios" are the responses you're looking for. Anything that is online-only is a no-go. They're probably just selling photos and videos. Then confirm what it is that you want and make sure the girl is ok with it BEFORE getting the girl's Whatsapp especially if it's something like BBBJ, BBFS, CIM etc etc. Would be a waste of time adding her to your contacts and Whatsapp and finding out she's not into doing any of this with you.

3) Once you confirm, get them off the app and onto Whatsapp as quickly as possible. Communication will be faster, you can nail down the date, time, services, and price more quickly than on the app plus can maintain constant communication with the girl the day and time of your date, which you will need to do with how often Colombian girls are known to flake.

4) Have high-quality photos, make sure you list yourself over 30-35, and have a decent understanding of Spanish. One of the girls I was with showed me her side of the app and she receives hundreds of messages from guys. She filters it out by communicating only with the guys who seem serious about negotiating a deal and automatically filters out guys younger than 30, guys with bad-quality photos who make her feel uncomfortable, and guys who don't have a decent level of Spanish.

FAQ.

Is the $120 Premium subscription worth it? 1,000%. Saves you the time and effort of having to search through casas, Parque Lleras, Gustos for the type of girl that you like and then negotiate for the services that you want and the price that you want it at. You can hammer this all down before your trip so once you're there, boom boom boom.

Do the unverified girls really look like their photos? Of the 4 unverified girls I met up with, pretty much yes. At most the photos were maybe 2 years old but the girl was either still hot or even hotter than the photos in person which was a pleasant surprise.

Did you have any issues with drugs or scopolamine or felt unsafe? NOPE. Zero issues at all.

Any other questions let me know. Any other Seeking experts feel free to chime in or add to this. Safe travels gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;2798825]Girls I found attractive who I contacted on Seeking: 80.

Girls who gave me their Whatsapp after we aligned on what we were looking for on the app: 38 out of 80 (48% success rate).

Girls who offered all the services I wanted for a decent rate after negotiating on Whatsapp: 9 out of 38 (24% success rate).

2) Don't waste time on small talk. Introduce yourself, ask her how she's doing, and what she's looking for on the app. "Algo corto tiempo plazo" or "amigos con beneficios" are the responses you're looking for. Anything that is online-only is a no-go. They're probably just selling photos and videos. Then confirm what it is that you want and make sure the girl is ok with it BEFORE getting the girl's Whatsapp especially if it's something like BBBJ, BBFS, CIM etc etc. Would be a waste of time adding her to your contacts and Whatsapp and finding out she's not into doing any of this with you.[/QUOTE]Excellent report. Of the 80 random chicks that you found attractive then went on to ask what they were looking for, how many replied they were looking for a long term stable relationship? And moreover how many would have not needed your money because they have stable decent jobs themselves?

Seems you were able to find the site full of hookers that would discuss "services" even before moving to whatsapp, where as other people that use the site will not acknowledge the site is full of hookers, even in the midst of forking over money to chicks they meet from the site.

Are there really that many normal chicks on the site, or are guys playing the "chick I give money to is not a hooker because I met her on this website and not another place known for hookers?

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2798772]You (maybe inadvertently?) left out perhaps the most relevant fact for us mongers in respect to the Colombian laws governing sex with minors (though perhaps it is mentioned in one of the many internet links you provided). Yes, the age of consent is 14. However (as frequently mentioned on this thread, but bears repeating for anyone reading your post and new to Colombia) the "Prostitution age of consent" for paid sex is 18.

Also, I doubt that European/Asian/African/Canadian mongers (as opposed to us yankee gringos) should be as comfortably cavalier about the risks of paid sex with minors as you imply they can be. Perhaps it's true that above-board prosecutions (and extraditions) occur mostly when the Colombian authorities act at the behest of the US government. But there have been many reports in this thread of foreigners getting shaken down by cops for big time bribes when caught en flagrante with the nubile, underage chica--sometimes in cahoots with the young lady herself. Best advice for one and all: tenga cuidado.[/QUOTE]There is an international treaty where sex with a minor in another country (a minor being under 18) is a crime. Anywhere. I know it is in Canada as in the USA. Not only is it a crime in the country where you commit the crime, it is a crime in your home country. So for sure it is not just the US State Department, it is also a Federal Crime within the US. As it is in Canada. Age of consent in whatever country you were in is irrelevant.

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[QUOTE=Belisaj;2798825]Gents,

Thought it'd be interesting to compile my stats and success rate with Seeking and my top 4 lessons learned. Quick background: I'm a 5'6 brown Asian guy, I'm in my late 30's, I speak Spanish at the B2/ C1 level, I use high-quality photos on my profile, and I list 6-figures as my income level. I strongly believe these are the main factors that contribute to your rate of success on the app:

Girls I found attractive who I contacted on Seeking: 80.

Girls who gave me their Whatsapp after we aligned on what we were looking for on the app: 38 out of 80 (48% success rate)..[/QUOTE]Discuss about the services you got and the costs or fees charged by the girls.

Shit fresh out of jail ready to go to Medellin.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2798763]Are there any centro SWs that give decent head? So far it's been pretty disappointing. Unlike in casas. Not sure why. Default being: "it's hard, let's fuck then".

Even negotiating long BJ beforehand doesn't seem to help much, it's just minimally longer, rushed and then "come one fuck me already'. Eh.

Is that a Centro SW thing or have I been unlucky?[/QUOTE]It can be like finding a needle in a haystack at times, and you didn't mention whether you wanted the BJ covered or uncovered.

I won't even bother going with a Centro SW that says she will only blow me with a Jimmy Hat, as typically they want to get the event over ASAP.

Over the past few days, two SW's turned me down to give me the BJ un-covered so I walked.

Another SW I went with after telling me how much she wanted, I told her I wanted the BJ un-covered and she immediately said, "no problema" and it was good. If she had balked or wanted more money I would of walked.

If they have no hesitation about blowing you uncovered that's a good sign, but also may indicate they are desperate for a client.

And another one which I didn't even ask about the BJ got down on her knees and blew me without me even asking after we got in the room, what an unexpected surprise that was!

I wouldn't bother negotiating " long BJ " beforehand, either, as this is very subjective.

Also if a SW want's additional money to blow you whether covered or not, I walk, but that's just how I roll based on my experience.

Also, you will find that the Venezuelan SW's generally speaking will be much more reluctant to blow you un-covered than the Colombians, albeit there are some nasty ones that will do anything under the sun if the price is right.

Hopefully you will have better luck!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2798831]Excellent report. Of the 80 random chicks that you found attractive then went on to ask what they were looking for, how many replied they were looking for a long term stable relationship? And moreover how many would have not needed your money because they have stable decent jobs themselves?

Seems you were able to find the site full of hookers that would discuss "services" even before moving to whatsapp, where as other people that use the site will not acknowledge the site is full of hookers, even in the midst of forking over money to chicks they meet from the site.

Are there really that many normal chicks on the site, or are guys playing the "chick I give money to is not a hooker because I met her on this website and not another place known for hookers?[/QUOTE]I appreciate the compliment and comment good sir thank you.

So off the top of my head, a majority if not all of my interactions started with them asking me what I was looking for on the app. I would mention that I'm looking for a short-term agreement or a friends-with-benefits type relationship and they would tell me they were looking for the same 90% of the time. I distinctly remember one girl start laughing and saying she wasn't looking for that and I just left it at that. A couple girls mentioned they wanted an online agreement and I just told them I wasn't interested. I think a majority of the girls though would be open to long-term arrangements after meeting up for a short-term arrangement based on my impressions.

Honestly, I think all of them needed the money to pay for schooling or some major expense like medications or a new phone or something and none of them had stable decent jobs. Of the 4 girls I met in person and sat and talked with them for a while, 3 of them happened to be in their early to mid-20's in school for something, and the other was in her mid-20's with 2 kids trying to support her family outside her work at a call center.

In regards to your last 2 comments, I will acknowledge that the site is full of part-time "hookers. " Girls who go to school or who work a basic job and are using Seeking to supplement their income. I think all the girls are looking for some type of monetary arrangement. No one is looking to just chat and have a friend. They're open to being friends sure, but only after some type of $$$ agreement is reached.

[QUOTE=Aksmn;2798906]Discuss about the services you got and the costs or fees charged by the girls.[/QUOTE]I'm going to get blasted by the Cheap Charlies on this site but at around US $120 - US $150, date was 2-4 hrs and it included all the services GFE, BBBJ, BBFS, CIM except for A-level / Greek which I'm not into anyways.

Two girls I rate a 10/10 on the attraction scale offered US $200 for everything all night 6 pm - 6 am including A-Level / Greek. That's a little too much time for me.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2798857]There is an international treaty where sex with a minor in another country (a minor being under 18) is a crime. Anywhere. I know it is in Canada as in the USA. Not only is it a crime in the country where you commit the crime, it is a crime in your home country. So for sure it is not just the US State Department, it is also a Federal Crime within the US. As it is in Canada. Age of consent in whatever country you were in is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Anyone out searching for the age of consent has no business here. Age of consent is completely meaningless for anyone traveling to another country for sex. In most cases, even in your own country it's meaningless, unless you are only a few years older than the girl.

Colombia probably won't prosecute you if they catch you. They'll arrest you and put you in prison, but it will be 2 or 3 years before they get around to prosecuting you. There's a good chance any foreigner tossed in a Colombian prison for "age of consent" misconceptions won't be alive by the time a court date is set.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2798831]Excellent report. Of the 80 random chicks that you found attractive then went on to ask what they were looking for, how many replied they were looking for a long term stable relationship? And moreover how many would have not needed your money because they have stable decent jobs themselves?

Seems you were able to find the site full of hookers that would discuss "services" even before moving to whatsapp, where as other people that use the site will not acknowledge the site is full of hookers, even in the midst of forking over money to chicks they meet from the site.

Are there really that many normal chicks on the site, or are guys playing the "chick I give money to is not a hooker because I met her on this website and not another place known for hookers?[/QUOTE]The reason you should never discuss services on the site is because it's against the rules and can get you banned. Seeking is a US based company, so they cover their asses by enforcing this rule even though the site is clearly meant for exactly that. I cease all communication as soon they start talking about prices on the site.

Of course you'll find pros on the site. One contacted me and I saw her at Parque Lleras the next night. It was a funny coincidence and I was drunk, so I thought I was mistaken, but I waved at her and the look on her face confirmed it was her.

But you'll also find women with normal jobs too and that's who I prefer.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2798763]Are there any centro SWs that give decent head? So far it's been pretty disappointing. Unlike in casas. Not sure why. Default being: "it's hard, let's fuck then".

Even negotiating long BJ beforehand doesn't seem to help much, it's just minimally longer, rushed and then "come one fuck me already'. Eh.

Is that a Centro SW thing or have I been unlucky?[/QUOTE]I hit up the older women if I just want a BJ.

What is this Check Mig form? Why haven't I seen anything else on it discussed here?

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2798516]I went to Medelland for the first time in late February early March. I've read almost every post on Medelland here, and I was actually terrified of getting robbed, killed, or scoped. I was prepared for the worst but nothing bad happened at all. I stayed at the Mansion and I felt safe. I'm studying Spanish and just trying to learn to speak Spanish goes a long way. I had all kinds of problems with the Check MiG form. The bottom line is if you don't have that Check Mig form you aren't getting on the plane period. It's baffling to me how important that Check Mig form is. I'm going back to Colombia and I'm looking forward to the trip but I dread dealing with the that Check MiG form. I heard (don't know if it is true) that airlines get fined $15 k if someone lands in Colombia without that form..[/QUOTE]

Firstly, I, like always, had a great time. I primarily use regulars and new additions. All of my regulars and newbies are mostly found through Tinder and I didn't have any issues at all. While I know there is a ton of discussion about Tinder, see my past post for how I keep myself safe as possible.

Day 1: I met up with a 26 why / o Venezuelan chica, who I found out later was also a cam model, and a 19 why / o paisa from Bello. The Vennie had a big ass and big (augmented) tits with a tiny waist, while the paisa was tiny and a had perfect body. Both were bisexual, both were down to play and have threesome. It was great. It wasn't the fake threesome. It was the two of them giving me head simultaneously while also kissing each other and on my balls while the other sucking my shaft. They ate each other out, scissor, and I didn't have switch condoms. Going back and forth doggy was incredible. Going missionary on the Vennie while the paisa sat on her face and made out wit me was also incredible. They both got tested before we met, however, condom penetration is a must for me. We went at it, showered (showering with two women was as good as you can imagine), went to go get pizza (on me), and came back for round 2. I promised them 250 mil but gave them 300 mil each. I had 2 threesomes for 600 + 40 mil for food. Late that night, after a short nap, I headed out to Parque Lleras and met a few gorgeous chicas in Moet. I check their vibe and energy by chatting and dancing. If they move too quickly to ask for a drink or to discuss the rate then they are all business, which I respect, but I have found I don't have great times with them, so I move on. I ask them how much they want, all of them said 400 mil, while one of the most beautiful woman I have seen said 300 usd. I smiled and said no thank you. She said ok, which lets me know that someone is paying that shit. I get their Whatsapp and later offer 250 mil. Most of the ones whose vibe I liked would not budge from 400 mil but one really pretty one who I danced a bit with said yes. We left and she gave me some of best head, sex was cool but it was going to be hard to beat that threesome.

Day 2: I went with a prepago because I was wanting for some back door action. 220 mil total. Sexy, clean, and great attitude. Good time. That night, I called over a newbie, an absolutely beautiful 19 why / o paisa with not fat, small bubble butt, perky be cups with puffy nipple. She came over with a massage table, oils, hot stones, and all. Gave a solid massage and the sex was really good. She went to school to give massages, facials, botox, etc. She just graduated late last year. I started to give it to her doggie and the smell creeped up. I was sooooooooo sad. Because we had such a good connection I gave her another shot on my final night, in which we showered together after the massage, and this time no smell. She is now a regular. I gave her 350 mil one time and 400 mil the second because the massage was good and the second time she really worked out some kinks in my back.

Day 3: Started with a regular with the most perfect body, a 27 why / o paisa with two kids but shows absolutely no baby damage. She is a freak who showed up with costumes and toys. She bends over in front of me dances with her ass in my face. Amazing. I always give her 300 mil, although she tells me the other men she deals with give her 500 mil + "pero me gustas. " Later that night, I went to La Isla to enjoy the atmosphere. Their prices have gone up a bit, so I decided not to partake. I went back to my apartment and called over one of my regulars, a 22 y / o paisa who give me the best head and loves it when I hammer from the back. She says, "Duro. Mas duro. " I always give her 300 mil.

Day 4. Called the Vennie over because I missed that ass. Gave her 250 mil for oral and amazing sex. Later that night, I went back to park, saw some street chicas that didn't do it for me but sometimes I just like being in the thick of it all. I should say, on both day 3 and 4 I spent time in El Centro but none of those street chicas do it for me either. They ask for way less but I have a certain standard I go for. I eventually went back to club Moet, bought an overpriced drink, and later had the worst experience I have probably ever had. I met a Vennie, who was fucking stupid beautiful. After going back to my place and having her shower, she gave head, she bent over, pulled out her vibrator and began toying herself. I just watched for about 5 minutes. I slipped on the cover and as soon as I put it in an unbelievable smell came out. I immediately pulled out and washed off because this was not normal vagina stench. After she asked me "que pasa?" I explained to her in as nice a way as I know how. While we agreed on 300 mil, she told me she would just give me head for 200 mil. I told her no and gave 100 mil and cut my losses.

Day 5. Called a regular 250 mil for a 20 why / o paisa. Shower, oral, sex, lunch. Then again, shower, oral, sex. Later that night I called my new massage regular (see day 2). All and all great trip. I get tested on the morning I leave. Again, I am overly cautious. Already got my results today and everything is negative.

Beyond the girls, I also got a manicure and pedicure (with foot massage, 2 deep tissue massages from legit spas, I eat at great restaurants, drunk good coffee (2-3 cups a day), see other parts of the city like El Centro, Communa 13, Guatape, a neighborhood of mostly Afrocolombias (great food), check out museums, the botanical gardens, and more.

Already getting messages from my regulars I couldn't see this time and some new ones I didn't get a chance to meet.

P.S. The are pics of regs, I asked them if I could post and they all said yes but to not show their faces. They also asked me not to share their info. None of my regs are 100% working girls. Some of which can still be found tinder.

Happy searching.

Unable to contact this bubbly personality and punctual driver.

Anyone have current contact info?

[B]Minimal setup[/B]:[INDENT]Mirror on either side of the bed
Music of the girls choosing[/INDENT].

[B]Position[/B]:[INDENT]
You: with your back flat on the bed and your knees bent at about 60 degree
Girl: her legs go under your legs, her both hands on the bed[/INDENT].

[B]Movement[/B]:[INDENT]
You: Nothing if you dont want to but you will. LOL
Girl: dance/twerk away with the music and enjoy the mirror[/INDENT].

[B]Master and Apprentice[/B][INDENT]
The girl brought a non-pro girlfriend over. The girl was teaching the no-pro how to perform RCP so the non-pro was on top of me and the girl lined up side by side with the non-pro. This is a movement that requires some finesse in order to be able to do it non-stop smoothly and keep the little guy inside at all time. They both danced with the girl instructing the non-pro the subtle movements. [/INDENT].

Sex is a party!

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2797817]Sex phrases and what the girls know.[/QUOTE]I asked the girl and she does not know the name of reverse cowgirl she was doing.

You are correct. Also, there the reasons to never even discuss it on this website far outweigh what benefits there may be. We really should move on.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798950]Yeah. Anyone out searching for the age of consent has no business here. Age of consent is completely meaningless for anyone traveling to another country for sex. In most cases, even in your own country it's meaningless, unless you are only a few years older than the girl.

Colombia probably won't prosecute you if they catch you. They'll arrest you and put you in prison, but it will be 2 or 3 years before they get around to prosecuting you. There's a good chance any foreigner tossed in a Colombian prison for "age of consent" misconceptions won't be alive by the time a court date is set.[/QUOTE]

I am always happy when we have positive experiences. One of the disadvantages of being a veteran pervert is the fluff and enhancements start to lose their impact. Luckily, a good solid fuck so far is as enjoyable as ever. What do I mean by fluff and enhancements? If you are a Centro rat, think about how often a girl says "I just got here. " The equivalent on Seeking Arrangement and similar sales channels is "I'm a university student / I'm just here to pay medical bills / This is my first time / I don't do this very often / etc. " It's all good. I am the kind of Centro rat who likes to go "high end" every so often to maintain perspective. For me, to do otherwise is like eating the same meal every day. Or, even worse, it can get to be like being married.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;2798925]I appreciate the compliment and comment good sir thank you.

So off the top of my head, a majority if not all of my interactions started with them asking me what I was looking for on the app. I would mention that I'm looking for a short-term agreement or a friends-with-benefits type relationship and they would tell me they were looking for the same 90% of the time. I distinctly remember one girl start laughing and saying she wasn't looking for that and I just left it at that. A couple girls mentioned they wanted an online agreement and I just told them I wasn't interested. I think a majority of the girls though would be open to long-term arrangements after meeting up for a short-term arrangement based on my impressions.

Honestly, I think all of them needed the money to pay for schooling or some major expense like medications or a new phone or something and none of them had stable decent jobs. Of the 4 girls I met in person and sat and talked with them for a while, 3 of them happened to be in their early to mid-20's in school for something, and the other was in her mid-20's with 2 kids trying to support her family outside her work at a call center..[/QUOTE]

The streets are saying Gustavo Petro was in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2798756]Arrived in Centro Thursday around 2 PM and noticed that the entire Museum had been barricaded off in front and on the backside. There was also several more police, and a huge contingent of military wearing red berets with semi-automatic rifles all over the place. A very heavy duty presence, something I had never seen before, and apparently the President is coming to town.

On a side note, I pulled an older model, kind of like a Laura Hutton look alike but with black hair and fucked up teeth. I asked her how much, and she said 30 K so I said let's go. A lot of girls are now asking 40 K by the way. I had no expectations or specific requests such as an uncovered BJ before taking her upstairs at Zona Rosa, still 13 K, and upon us taking our showers, I told her if she did a good job there would be a propina and she started kissing me, and then got on her hands and knees and started blowing me. We really hit it off and I will be repeating again with her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SmilyD69;2798986]What is this Check Mig form? Why haven't I seen anything else on it discussed here?[/QUOTE]It's the Colombian immigration form ([URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/check-mig[/URL]). You pretty much need to have it filled out to enter the country. Just put in your info the day before your flight and you're golden. I print out a copy and save a screenshot to my phone out of paranoia.

All sorry for my double posts earlier. I'm new to the forum and I'm doing this on my I phone. If anyone has anything to add in the Check Mig form please let me know. I saw another poster mention it and I don't know how to quote what was said.

Here is what I know about the Check Mig form and the problem I had.

The Check Mig form must be completed up to 3 days but no less than one hour prior to both entering and leaving Colombia. The questions are pretty standard like are you sick, have you been sick, how much money you are bringing, no big deal.

My problem is that I completed the Check MiG form on the Colombia website and the website stated they were going to email me the form. I never received an email back from the Colombian Check Mig website. I keep trying to go back in the site and retrieve the form but the site stated that the form was already submitted. I started freaking out because American Airlines has an app called I fly and if you are not verified you will need to show your documents at the airport and take then chance of not getting on the plane. I then used an app called I Visa, it was like $25 and arrived by email earlier than expected. The only problem is the I Visa Check Mig form I received was dated on the date I requested it (3 days prior) and I Fly wouldn't accept it because it wasn't dated on they date that the flight left. I told I Visa this and they said the form was good for 30 days and it will work. I Fly said that although that may be true they can't verify me and I will have to show the form at the airport. After much back and forth I convinced I Visa to get me a Check Mig form on the date I left. They charged me another $25 and I Fly ultimately accepted it. However it was a bit dicey for a minute and I was concerned that I wouldn't be able to get on the plane.

I complained about this during breakfast at the Mansion by stating my case that it doesn't make sense. Someone that had been coming to Colombia for 18'years said this is Colombia and there will be many things that don't make sense. He then said welcome to Colombia. Thank God the Mansion completed the exit Check Mig form for me. I'the really appreciate any advice on how to make this process less stress.

Thanks!!

I had lots of issues to with the MIG.

Watched how to videos, looked through this site and others. Even tried to find fixes to my issues without any luck. It told me I had already started the process and that I couldn't create a new one, which I never could find any trace of having started anything.

I eventually paid quite a way more than I wanted for a third party service to get my MIG forms.

I do have a question, were we supposed to create another MIG form to return? I paid for a return MIG but upon departure they didn't even look at the new MIG form.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2799049]It's the Colombian immigration form ([URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/check-mig[/URL]). You pretty much need to have it filled out to enter the country. Just put in your info the day before your flight and you're golden. I print out a copy and save a screenshot to my phone out of paranoia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marxh;2799092]I had lots of issues to with the MIG.

Watched how to videos, looked through this site and others. Even tried to find fixes to my issues without any luck. It told me I had already started the process and that I couldn't create a new one, which I never could find any trace of having started anything.

I eventually paid quite a way more than I wanted for a third party service to get my MIG forms.

I do have a question, were we supposed to create another MIG form to return? I paid for a return MIG but upon departure they didn't even look at the new MIG form.[/QUOTE]You don't pay anything for the checkmig form. You get a link in your email from the airline, you click on the link to go to the checkmig website (or you can just go to the migracion Colombia website). You answer a few easy questions and it generates a form that is instantly emailed to you. The whole thing literally takes like not even 5 mins to complete.

[QUOTE=Secksee1;2799000] P.S. The are pics of regs, I asked them if I could post and they all said yes but to not show their faces. They also asked me not to share their info. None of my regs are 100% working girls. Some of which can still be found tinder.

Happy searching.[/QUOTE]The last 2 are very popular. The one with the black lingerie is the only one that sparks my interest. Is she on tinder? Which one is why'all's favorite?

[QUOTE=Marxh;2799092]I had lots of issues to with the MIG.

Watched how to videos, looked through this site and others. Even tried to find fixes to my issues without any luck. It told me I had already started the process and that I couldn't create a new one, which I never could find any trace of having started anything.

I eventually paid quite a way more than I wanted for a third party service to get my MIG forms.

I do have a question, were we supposed to create another MIG form to return? I paid for a return MIG but upon departure they didn't even look at the new MIG form.[/QUOTE]There's no need to do the Check-Mig for your return flight.

The only time I had a problem with the form I had screwed up and selected the wrong airport. I have had issues with receiving the email.

1. Make sure you choose the right airport.

2. Your flight number is numbers only.

3. If you don't receive the email within a few minutes, go back and consult and download your Check-Mig. That usually works for me.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2799023]I am the kind of Centro rat who likes to go "high end" every so often to maintain perspective.[/QUOTE]So does that mean not going with a midget, there was one out working Friday afternoon, a beached whale, a glue sniffer, an amputee, or a very pregnant one.

I know you have "standards", and am assuming based on the above criteria that going "high end" was quite a departure for you. LOL.

I rarely go "high end", and to put things in perspective, if I go with a Chica only missing some teeth, and none of the other mentioned attributes, that is going "high end" for me!

[QUOTE=Marxh;2799092]I had lots of issues to with the MIG.

Watched how to videos, looked through this site and others. Even tried to find fixes to my issues without any luck. It told me I had already started the process and that I couldn't create a new one, which I never could find any trace of having started anything.

I eventually paid quite a way more than I wanted for a third party service to get my MIG forms.

I do have a question, were we supposed to create another MIG form to return? I paid for a return MIG but upon departure they didn't even look at the new MIG form.[/QUOTE]The biggest issue with CheckMig can be the flight numbers. A workaround for this can be to not check the box saying your on a commercial flight but on a private flight so you can proceed thru the form. And yes you need Checkmig to depart but way easier then for entering.

I have had issues where the email is never sent and the app won't allow you to reenter. There is no help available.

I highly recommend taking a screenshot of your confirmation and printing it. This way you don't have to worry about it.

Last time I left Medellin it was end of January and the airport did not ask for it. However, in November they asked and checked. I would not risk not having it unless there is official statement that you don't need it for departures.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2799164]There's no need to do the Check-Mig for your return flight.

The only time I had a problem with the form I had screwed up and selected the wrong airport. I have had issues with receiving the email.

1. Make sure you choose the right airport.

2. Your flight number is numbers only.

3. If you don't receive the email within a few minutes, go back and consult and download your Check-Mig. That usually works for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2798950]Age of consent is completely meaningless for anyone traveling to another country for sex. [/QUOTE]This is DANGEROUSLY FALSE INFORMATION.

You can and WILL go to jail if you don't check the age of consent and randomly have sex with 19 or 20 year olds. Two examples: South Korea, and Bahrain.

- Individuals aged 20 or younger in Bahrain are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2799167]The biggest issue with CheckMig can be the flight numbers. A workaround for this can be to not check the box saying your on a commercial flight but on a private flight so you can proceed thru the form. And yes you need Checkmig to depart but way easier then for entering.[/QUOTE]
One additional heads up on entering flight numbers in CheckMig IF you are changing planes in Bogota en route to (or home from) Medellin, then you need to enter the flight number for the flight into Colombia (arriving Bogota) or leaving Colombia (from the capital) --NOT the connecting flight to / from Medellin. I've never had a real problem with CheckMig, but this wrinkle slowed me down one time when I was leaving here in Medellin for a week of work in El Salvador and changing planes in Bogota. My flight number got rejected by CheckMig until I realized that I had to enter the international flight, NOT my departing flight from Medellin.

Pretty obvious, in retrospect. Makes sense.
Happy trails to voyagers one and all, be they returning or exiting Paraíso Paisa (be it by air or between two welcoming thighs).

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2799211]This is DANGEROUSLY FALSE INFORMATION.

You can and WILL go to jail if you don't check the age of consent and randomly have sex with 19 or 20 year olds. Two examples: South Korea, and Bahrain.

- Individuals aged 20 or younger in Bahrain are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.[/QUOTE]Didn't realize there was a big contingent of mongers on the Medellin board going to Bahrain for hookers. Don't they also send you to jail for soliciting sex?

Here's a correction:

The age of consent is completely meaningless for anyone on this site, unless they are traveling to a country where the age of consent is more than 18.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2799212]One additional heads up on entering flight numbers in CheckMig IF you are changing planes in Bogota en route to (or home from) Medellin, then you need to enter the flight number for the flight into Colombia (arriving Bogota) or leaving Colombia (from the capital) --NOT the connecting flight to / from Medellin. I've never had a real problem with CheckMig, but this wrinkle slowed me down one time when I was leaving here in Medellin for a week of work in El Salvador and changing planes in Bogota. My flight number got rejected by CheckMig until I realized that I had to enter the international flight, NOT my departing flight from Medellin..[/QUOTE]I'm not certain on this, but I think I know why some people never receive the email. Aurocorrect adds a space after words. In most cases, the leading and trailing spaces would be removed, but Check-Mig thinks the space is part of the email address, making it a bad address.

LOL! Thank you for not mentioning the SW with the wrecked nose or the trans workers. You made me laugh out loud.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2799165]So does that mean not going with a midget, there was one out working Friday afternoon, a beached whale, a glue sniffer, an amputee, or a very pregnant one.

I know you have "standards", and am assuming based on the above criteria that going "high end" was quite a departure for you. LOL.

I rarely go "high end", and to put things in perspective, if I go with a Chica only missing some teeth, and none of the other mentioned attributes, that is going "high end" for me![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2799211]This is DANGEROUSLY FALSE INFORMATION.

You can and WILL go to jail if you don't check the age of consent and randomly have sex with 19 or 20 year olds. Two examples: South Korea, and Bahrain.

- Individuals aged 20 or younger in Bahrain are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape or the equivalent local law.[/QUOTE]Seeing that you will win the mega-millions lottery 3 times over before having sex with a local chick in Bahrain, this point is unnecessary. And all the hookers there come from other places. I was with a Thai chick last night that just got back from hooking over there.

I don't think this is correct. I checked my entries several times before submitting. There were no spaces. Best to take a screenshot and print.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2799230]I'm not certain on this, but I think I know why some people never receive the email. Aurocorrect adds a space after words. In most cases, the leading and trailing spaces would be removed, but Check-Mig thinks the space is part of the email address, making it a bad address.[/QUOTE]

All this talk about the checkmig form.

Honesty, if it's that difficult for you to fill out correctly, you really should consider whether it's a good idea or not for you to visit Colombia at all LOL..

I travel to Medellin monthly and the last two times I have not received the e-mail. But it's not problem, as when you are going through the process, you can get a download of the document. I leave the download on my computer and also send it to my own e-mail so I can present it at the departing airport. No issues.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2799299]I don't think this is correct. I checked my entries several times before submitting. There were no spaces. Best to take a screenshot and print.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799306]All this talk about the checkmig form.

Honesty, if it's that difficult for you to fill out correctly, you really should consider whether it's a good idea or not for you to visit Colombia at all LOL..[/QUOTE]Thank you for your continued interest in helping the ISG community solve this Check Mig issue. We couldn't have made the strides toward solving this issue without your keen insight. I just can't thank you enough for the empathy that you have shown for others. Your thoughtfulness does not go unnoticed.

For those of you that completed the Check Mig form and got the email I say good for you! I thought I filled out the form correctly and entered my email address correctly but I could have possibly made a mistake. I don't recall seeing a download form option. I'm going back to Medelland and with God as my witness I'm going to be an expert on Check Mig. Maybe I won't be an expert in 6 months, a year, or even 2 years, but I'm going to get to the bottom of this hell or high water.

I went round and round with American Airlines and I Fly over this Check Mig issue. I'm polite and persistent but I failed miserably. No amount of talking or persuasion works on this Check Mig form. It really is no ticket no laundry!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2799165]...I rarely go "high end", and to put things in perspective, if I go with a Chica only missing some teeth, and none of the other mentioned attributes, that is going "high end" for me![/QUOTE]I was there Friday night looking for a kitchen tool, I found it but wrong size. I ended up having pig's ear for dinner. The vendor raised the price to 7 mil from 6 mil. The trannies seemed to have reclaimed the old corner they used to occupy during the time I passed there. Judging by what I saw, you would be in paradise. I think one effect of the barricade is that it flushes out gringos to Cr 53. I have never seen that many and a few looked out of place. Young and were dressed for Lleras, not el centro.

Saturday morning, I continued the hunt for my tool and looking for some ingredients that are not available at supermarket. I got off at Prado station. Last week the pig's jaw was sold out at this hour so I decided to skip the picada and just walked to Mirorista to get lechona. I passed by cracklandia. It was raining, so all the vendors had their little tent up but that place was like a sausage fest. It proved that tussi is high end because I didn't see any there LOL. Ironically, this is probably where many high end places get their iron gates or doors made.

Instead of lechona that costs maybe 6 mil adjusted for inflation. I had this great fish dish for 16 mil. That is high end for me. Haha. The cook is from the coast that is 3 days away from Medellin. I know a place in Laureles that serves coastal food but that is no match to this one. I found their hot sauce and started pouring it onto my dish before they were able to stop me. It was hot, and they all giggled seeing my reaction to it.

I still could not find my tool of the size I want but I came across this home-made hot sauce that was 10 mil in a big can. I wanted a smaller one so the owner automatically lowered it to 8 mil. On my way home, I got some beef. I like shopping at butcher shop because one can pick specific area of meat and they will cut it to whatever style you want. I have been trying to figure out the name of some items in Spanish so I bought some every time I figured out the names. That is my last stop at a supermarket. Tomorrow is my turn to cook. I don't drink personally. The liquor is for guests and cooking experiment.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2798763]Are there any centro SWs that give decent head? So far it's been pretty disappointing. Unlike in casas. Not sure why. Default being: "it's hard, let's fuck then".

Even negotiating long BJ beforehand doesn't seem to help much, it's just minimally longer, rushed and then "come one fuck me already'. Eh.

Is that a Centro SW thing or have I been unlucky?[/QUOTE]Yes it's a problem. LOL I've spent a lot of time in centro and while they have all given head, it's like you said. Once you are fully hard they are done with that and trying to get them to do anything but fuck is not easy. Or it takes more encouragement than I'm prepared to give them. My bet is that many of the regulars they get probably are not real clean and so they get very used to making it something they just get over with. There are a few I think that just get so worked up and fucking seems to really be their thing. They don't ever seem to rush the fucking so I'm not sure it is about just getting us out the door.

I think this goes along with the 'paying extra' to get better service. It works in the bar to get your drinks faster. But it doesn't really work with the street sluts. The girls do what they know and once the sex starts any pre-arrangements of things outside what they do every day starts to fade very quickly.

[QUOTE=Belisaj;2798825]Gents,

Thought it'd be interesting to compile my stats and success rate with Seeking and my top 4 lessons learned. Quick background: I'm a 5'6 brown Asian guy, I'm in my late 30's, I speak Spanish at the B2/ C1 level, I use high-quality photos on my profile, and I list 6-figures as my income level. I strongly believe these are the main factors that contribute to your rate of success on the app:

.....

Any other questions let me know. Any other Seeking experts feel free to chime in or add to this. Safe travels gentlemen.[/QUOTE]I've been using Seeking since 2017 inside the United States. The first few months I wasted a lot of money because I didn't really know just how many women on there are not really hookers in the traditional sense. Many (not all) are really looking for more of a longer term situation of a guy that helps them with the bills. They don't want to have to see multiple guys a day or even in a week. Some are just using seeking because they can find men that are a lot better off than tender or POF or most of the other sites. They want a relationship with a man that has means and not some broke ass *****.

What does this mean? Often I've been able to have women off seeking that cost me no more than just having a girlfriend. They are happy getting taken out to nice dinners, going on trips, and a nice apartment to stay in (with me). I had one where I paid half her rent and I stayed with her almost 9 months. So cheaper than my lazy ass no working ex-wife who never made a penny for us in 5 years.

With that said, I've pretty much abandoned seeking in Medelin as I can go on columbian cupid or tender and get literally an unlimited number of women for free with no expectations of financial arrangements of any kind. Then if I just want to be a monger I can do that if I choose.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2799347]Thank you for your continued interest in helping the ISG community solve this Check Mig issue. We couldn't have made the strides toward solving this issue without your keen insight. I just can't thank you enough for the empathy that you have shown for others. Your thoughtfulness does not go unnoticed.

For those of you that completed the Check Mig form and got the email I say good for you! I thought I filled out the form correctly and entered my email address correctly but I could have possibly made a mistake. I don't recall seeing a download form option. I'm going back to Medelland and with God as my witness I'm going to be an expert on Check Mig. Maybe I won't be an expert in 6 months, a year, or even 2 years, but I'm going to get to the bottom of this hell or high water.

I went round and round with American Airlines and I Fly over this Check Mig issue. I'm polite and persistent but I failed miserably. No amount of talking or persuasion works on this Check Mig form. It really is no ticket no laundry![/QUOTE]On the app there are 3 options:

1. Make your CheckMig.

2. Frequent traveler login.

3. Consult and download your CheckMig.

As everyone knows, the first option is what you use to fill out the form. It's pretty easy. But it doesn't always send the email confirmation. When filling it out on your phone, you can't always screenshot the completed form, just the message which says you completed the form.

If you go back to the app and use the third option. This should allow you to download the completed form and also get the email. Check your files for "Reporte Pre registro."

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799306]All this talk about the checkmig form.

Honesty, if it's that difficult for you to fill out correctly, you really should consider whether it's a good idea or not for you to visit Colombia at all LOL..[/QUOTE]I agree. All these large numbers gringos hanging out in Medellin people talk about, they all were able to fill out that form. I have filled out that form three times correctly on my computer at home and on my cellphone in Medellin going back. You just need to go slowly and there are some kinks. Sometimes United States is written in Spanish as Estados Unidos and if you are just looking for United States, you will not find it. They also ask you for the Department and the region where Medellin seems to be isn't listed so I never know what they are looking for and I just pick the one closest in spelling to Antioquia if I can't find it.

Now as to people saying that they do not ask for it at the airport in Medellin, it is in electronic form and associated with your passport so when you go to immigration control, they see it on your computer. The airlines always ask you for it too.

For those having problems, go slow, double check, and you will be fine. I have always gotten the email and been able to download it. If you are having problems, there may something on your computer or cellphone blocking it such as a firewall, virus protector or the like.

Good luck to all. You can do it.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2799347]... I don't recall seeing a download form option. ...[/QUOTE]I think you probably left this page immediately after you finished it. I would miss it too if I did not know the checkmig issue before.

My guess is Colombia already has the data entered, checking the form is just a way to ensure you have filled it out so a screenshot works too because the download option may not work either.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2799398]... it's like you said. Once you are fully hard they are done with that and trying to get them to do anything but fuck is not easy. Or it takes more encouragement than I'm prepared to give them.....[/QUOTE]I agree. And some will spit like every 10 seconds while giving BJ so you have to watch where you put your shoes. LOL. What looks like a clean floor is basically covered with spits and whatever that can come out. Plus the frequent rain, that's why I roll with flip-flops

[QUOTE=Belisaj;2798928]...

Two girls I rate a 10/10 on the attraction scale offered US $200 for everything all night 6 pm - 6 am including A-Level / Greek. That's a little too much time for me.[/QUOTE]I am curious, are all of the others 10? If not, why not have the 10's? I think you are letting it go waste if you don't share with me. LOL.

Thanks for the tips too.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2799347]Thank you for your continued interest in helping the ISG community solve this Check Mig issue. We couldn't have made the strides toward solving this issue without your keen insight. I just can't thank you enough for the empathy that you have shown for others. Your thoughtfulness does not go unnoticed.

For those of you that completed the Check Mig form and got the email I say good for you! I thought I filled out the form correctly and entered my email address correctly but I could have possibly made a mistake. I don't recall seeing a download form option. I'm going back to Medelland and with God as my witness I'm going to be an expert on Check Mig. Maybe I won't be an expert in 6 months, a year, or even 2 years, but I'm going to get to the bottom of this hell or high water.

I went round and round with American Airlines and I Fly over this Check Mig issue. I'm polite and persistent but I failed miserably. No amount of talking or persuasion works on this Check Mig form. It really is no ticket no laundry![/QUOTE]I just got to Medellin on Friday. It's my second trip on the first I took Avianca. They did not require the Check Mig form. But, they asked all of the questions and asked for my vaccination docs. Then, I had to wear a mask to get on the plane. That was 3 weeks ago.

I didn't like Avianca with they hard ass seats and poor cabin service. I decided to take jetBlue from Sfo -FLL to MDE. I thought that it would easier. I was wrong. I did not know that Check Mig had to be done before getting on the plane.

I got to SFO 4 hours early and could not get past the first 2 pages of the Check Mig. I had to go to [URL]www.ivisa.com[/URL] and pay $75 . The site guarantees documents in less than 30 minutes 24/7. They had mine done in 15 minutes.

It saved my ass I could not get Check-Mig to work for me.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2799398]Yes it's a problem. LOL I've spent a lot of time in centro and while they have all given head, it's like you said. Once you are fully hard they are done with that and trying to get them to do anything but fuck is not easy. Or it takes more encouragement than I'm prepared to give them. My bet is that many of the regulars they get probably are not real clean and so they get very used to making it something they just get over with. There are a few I think that just get so worked up and fucking seems to really be their thing. They don't ever seem to rush the fucking so I'm not sure it is about just getting us out the door.

I think this goes along with the 'paying extra' to get better service. It works in the bar to get your drinks faster. But it doesn't really work with the street sluts. The girls do what they know and once the sex starts any pre-arrangements of things outside what they do every day starts to fade very quickly.[/QUOTE]So you really don't think that a guy that is not a slob, has good hygiene, some Spanish skills, and money in their pocket can't get a CENTRO SW to give good head and anything else desired.

Your right about the girls wanting to get the deed done quickly, but Pesos is what CENTRO is all about, and the SW's client base, which I'm going to guess is easily over 90% Colombians, there's not many paying anymore than the going rate.

But for those "paying extra", anything goes.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2799378]II think one effect of the barricade is that it flushes out gringos to Cr 53. I have never seen that many and a few looked out of place. Young and were dressed for Lleras, not el centro..[/QUOTE]I like the barricades as it basically cuts down on the rift rap, guys on bikes / motos, the Venezuelan boyfriends milling around their girlfriends wanting the money as soon their client leaves the Love Motels, and all the vendors, sacaleros, drunks, and zombies not allowed to be inside.

Yeah it's congested along the glass covered walkway, and the backside. And with the passageway along the Museum being shutoff, the girls are more highly concentrated but there are plenty working inside the barricades, but the Church / Fountain area courtyard seems to be off limits. That area had a high concentration of skanks working around the phone booths and used to be the "bomb" years ago, along with the passageway along the Museum that you and many others are aware of.

Basically, Colombia is going thru a metamorphosis with tourism driving it as fifteen years ago it didn't exist, except for Colombians versus foreigners. And it's just not Medellin where it's taken off. With the creation of the Digital Nomad Visa there are estimates of 45,000 people obtaining them in the next couple of years so you can only imagine how things will further change.

I suspect the barricades are here to stay. The last thing I would think the City wants is any bad press for tourism given what is transpiring.

I am going To medellin next month, of course you get bombarded with Facebook requests.

All these chics are requesting 300 k not including taxis. Last trip in September it was easier to change the rate on them.

Don't know if I should wait untill I get here and do the take it or leave it approach.

Facebook chics are lot easier to deal with than going to the clubs.

You are right about the the metal door and gate production in that scary part of Prado. It is rumored that the metal barrier that preceded the one now in place was stolen and then sold piece by piece to the workshops in that area. That sort of clandestine recycling is how some of the night crawlers survive.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2799378]I was there Friday night looking for a kitchen tool, I found it but wrong size. I ended up having pig's ear for dinner. The vendor raised the price to 7 mil from 6 mil. The trannies seemed to have reclaimed the old corner they used to occupy during the time I passed there. Judging by what I saw, you would be in paradise. I think one effect of the barricade is that it flushes out gringos to Cr 53. I have never seen that many and a few looked out of place. Young and were dressed for Lleras, not el centro.

Saturday morning, I continued the hunt for my tool and looking for some ingredients that are not available at supermarket. I got off at Prado station. Last week the pig's jaw was sold out at this hour so I decided to skip the picada and just walked to Mirorista to get lechona. I passed by cracklandia. It was raining, so all the vendors had their little tent up but that place was like a sausage fest. It proved that tussi is high end because I didn't see any there LOL. Ironically, this is probably where many high end places get their iron gates or doors made.

Instead of lechona that costs maybe 6 mil adjusted for inflation. I had this great fish dish for 16 mil. That is high end for me. Haha. The cook is from the coast that is 3 days away from Medellin. I know a place in Laureles that serves coastal food but that is no match to this one. I found their hot sauce and started pouring it onto my dish before they were able to stop me. It was hot, and they all giggled seeing my reaction to it.

I still could not find my tool of the size I want but I came across this home-made hot sauce that was 10 mil in a big can. I wanted a smaller one so the owner automatically lowered it to 8 mil. On my way home, I got some beef. I like shopping at butcher shop because one can pick specific area of meat and they will cut it to whatever style you want. I have been trying to figure out the name of some items in Spanish so I bought some every time I figured out the names. That is my last stop at a supermarket. Tomorrow is my turn to cook. I don't drink personally. The liquor is for guests and cooking experiment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Havana927;2799485]I am going To medellin next month, of course you get bombarded with Facebook requests.

All these chics are requesting 300 k not including taxis. Last trip in September it was easier to change the rate on them.

Don't know if I should wait untill I get here and do the take it or leave it approach.

Facebook chics are lot easier to deal with than going to the clubs.[/QUOTE]Yes I think it is better to negotiate the price while you are in the city and setting up the date. In my opinion these girls are not exactly finanially literate. They only know what they want in the moment so if you catch one who is particularly broke in that moment then you are more likely to take the price you offer because it would be better than nothing.

Just a few years ago before Covid the average chica would take 150 k cop for a cita and stay around a couple of hours. The hotter ones 200 k and the really special ones 250 k. Then Covid came and that all changed but I think if everyone was united (a fantasy I know) we could ge those prices back down. So start negotiating low and don't be afraid to walk away from the table if she doesn't budge. See if she messages you back.

I couldn't agree more about the speeding bicycles, the motorcycles, chamo thugs, and most of all the vendor carts with blaring loudspeakers. I also don't miss the Hare Krishnas and their evangelical Christian counterparts. In my opinion, whether or not the barrier remains depends more on the mid term election results than on anything else. The minute it stops providing political benefit it will fade away in neglect like all the others before it. I also agree there are plenty of girls back working inside the barrier. Unless the police clear out the clog of vendors around the barrier entrances some bad things are going to happen because it's too easy to hide from the CCTV cameras and the police. Meanwhile down in Poblado, la 10 is hectic. It's remarkable how many aggressive streetwalkers are lately.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2799480]I like the barricades as it basically cuts down on the rift rap, guys on bikes / motos, the Venezuelan boyfriends milling around their girlfriends wanting the money as soon their client leaves the Love Motels, and all the vendors, sacaleros, drunks, and zombies not allowed to be inside.

Yeah it's congested along the glass covered walkway, and the backside. And with the passageway along the Museum being shutoff, the girls are more highly concentrated but there are plenty working inside the barricades, but the Church / Fountain area courtyard seems to be off limits. That area had a high concentration of skanks working around the phone booths and used to be the "bomb" years ago, along with the passageway along the Museum that you and many others are aware of.

Basically, Colombia is going thru a metamorphosis with tourism driving it as fifteen years ago it didn't exist, except for Colombians versus foreigners. And it's just not Medellin where it's taken off. With the creation of the Digital Nomad Visa there are estimates of 45,000 people obtaining them in the next couple of years so you can only imagine how things will further change.

I suspect the barricades are here to stay. The last thing I would think the City wants is any bad press for tourism given what is transpiring.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2799378]I was there Friday night looking for a kitchen tool, I found it but wrong size. I ended up having pig's ear for dinner. The vendor raised the price to 7 mil from 6 mil. The trannies seemed to have reclaimed the old corner they used to occupy during the time I passed there. Judging by what I saw, you would be in paradise. I think one effect of the barricade is that it flushes out gringos to Cr 53. I have never seen that many and a few looked out of place. Young and were dressed for Lleras, not el centro.

Saturday morning, I continued the hunt for my tool and looking for some ingredients that are not available at supermarket. I got off at Prado station. Last week the pig's jaw was sold out at this hour so I decided to skip the picada and just walked to Mirorista to get lechona. I passed by cracklandia. It was raining, so all the vendors had their little tent up but that place was like a sausage fest. It proved that tussi is high end because I didn't see any there LOL. Ironically, this is probably where many high end places get their iron gates or doors made.

Instead of lechona that costs maybe 6 mil adjusted for inflation. I had this great fish dish for 16 mil. That is high end for me. Haha. The cook is from the coast that is 3 days away from Medellin. I know a place in Laureles that serves coastal food but that is no match to this one. I found their hot sauce and started pouring it onto my dish before they were able to stop me. It was hot, and they all giggled seeing my reaction to it.

I still could not find my tool of the size I want but I came across this home-made hot sauce that was 10 mil in a big can. I wanted a smaller one so the owner automatically lowered it to 8 mil. On my way home, I got some beef. I like shopping at butcher shop because one can pick specific area of meat and they will cut it to whatever style you want. I have been trying to figure out the name of some items in Spanish so I bought some every time I figured out the names. That is my last stop at a supermarket. Tomorrow is my turn to cook. I don't drink personally. The liquor is for guests and cooking experiment.[/QUOTE]According to MiamiBoy us gringo mongers don't go to Centro to buy kitchen tools, shower heads, or a saw from the the ferreteria. Apparently he was wrong.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2799499]You are right about the the metal door and gate production in that scary part of Prado. It is rumored that the metal barrier that preceded the one now in place was stolen and then sold piece by piece to the workshops in that area. That sort of clandestine recycling is how some of the night crawlers survive.[/QUOTE]There's a pretty scary and interesting street around there, west of Prado, where all the different types of stuff are recycled.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2799464]So you really don't think that a guy that is not a slob, has good hygiene, some Spanish skills, and money in their pocket can't get a CENTRO SW to give good head and anything else desired.

Your right about the girls wanting to get the deed done quickly, but Pesos is what CENTRO is all about, and the SW's client base, which I'm going to guess is easily over 90% Colombians, there's not many paying anymore than the going rate.

But for those "paying extra", anything goes.[/QUOTE]Well as I said "more encouragement than I'm willing to give". If paying extra is not 'encouragement' I don't know what it is.

To me it is like if someone is a below average guitar player and I ask them to come play in my band for $200 a night. Paying them an extra $100 to "play better" isn't going to make the quality of their playing change all that much. They might try harder for those first few minutes, but when the gig starts it isn't going to change the fact they are below average. No matter how much I pay. This isn't hypothetical. I've paid individual women hundreds upon hundreds of dollar hoping for more attention, more service and better quality but is rarely does more than just slightly move the needle. People will change their behaviour for all but about 2 minutes and then when the action starts they go right back into the same motions and routines they are used to. Again it comes down to "more encouragement than I'm willing to give".

Hundreds of Medellin women on tender and CC willing to fuck for free so why throw money at someone who isn't really into what you want anyway? It's just too easy to go on to the next one than coaxing one who isn't performing into doing better. My patience for women who need incentives is paper thin at this point. But that really is just me. I would rather spend my time at the malls trying to pick up the girls working the normal jobs. Spanish fluency being the principal barrier across the board to better success in all that is Medellin.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2799398]Yes it's a problem. LOL I've spent a lot of time in centro and while they have all given head, it's like you said. Once you are fully hard they are done with that and trying to get them to do anything but fuck is not easy. Or it takes more encouragement than I'm prepared to give them.

I think this goes along with the 'paying extra' to get better service. It works in the bar to get your drinks faster. But it doesn't really work with the street sluts. The girls do what they know and once the sex starts any pre-arrangements of things outside what they do every day starts to fade very quickly.[/QUOTE]Ahh finally someone gets it. Yes that's exactly it, you get what you pay for LOL. These street girls recognize this so it only makes sense for them to give you the bare minimal. Why would you expect them to worship your cock when you are paying them crumbs LOL.

I have searched and read the descriptions here. Does anyone have a pic of the barricades they can post. Would be nice to see what I am getting into since I will be there this week. I do Centro during the day.

TIA.

Happy hunting.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Snook;2799753]I have searched and read the descriptions here. Does anyone have a pic of the barricades they can post...[/QUOTE]Something like this.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799711]A...These street girls recognize this so it only makes sense for them to give you the bare minimal. Why would you expect them to worship your cock when you are paying them crumbs LOL.[/QUOTE]I think others can learn a lot from you. You finally got it. LOL. Would you share more on where you get the girls, services and prices so others can learn more from you?

[QUOTE=Secksee1;2799000]Firstly, I, like always, had a great time. I primarily use regulars and new additions. All of my regulars and newbies are mostly found through Tinder and I didn't have any issues at all. While I know there is a ton of discussion about Tinder, see my past post for how I keep myself safe as possible.

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Happy searching.[/QUOTE]Nice. Thanks for the report. The one in the Pink lingerie and the blond haired one look real familiar to my regular. For sure GFE if its the same ones. I think I met them in a club though but maybe tinder or seeking is the way to go if you're finding these types there more often.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2799671]To me it is like if someone is a below average guitar player and I ask them to come play in my band for $200 a night. Paying them an extra $100 to "play better" isn't going to make the quality of their playing change all that much. They might try harder for those first few minutes, but when the gig starts it isn't going to change the fact they are below average. No matter how much I pay. This isn't hypothetical. I've paid individual women hundreds upon hundreds of dollar hoping for more attention, more service and better quality but is rarely does more than just slightly move the needle. People will change their behavior for all but about 2 minutes and then when the action starts they go right back into the same motions and routines they are used to. Again it comes down to "more encouragement than I'm willing to give".[/QUOTE]Exactly. The problem seems to be many genuinely seem to lack the skills (and / or willingness) so however much one pays won't make them better all of the sudden. If she repeats the same behavior thousand times (in that case giving short and half-hearted blowjobs) it's not so easy to break the pattern. Doable but change of ingrained habitual behaviors takes time and effort. For me it's only worth investing in training the repeats (and only the ones that are open to learn / please). But in general can get much better, enthusiastic blowjobs in casas for essentially the same price so training it's hardly worth the hassle. Centro SWs are still good for fucking though.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799711]Ahh finally someone gets it. Yes that's exactly it, you get what you pay for LOL. These street girls recognize this so it only makes sense for them to give you the bare minimal. Why would you expect them to worship your cock when you are paying them crumbs LOL.[/QUOTE]Why are you talking about things you know nothing about? You haven't even been in centro (not to mention missed the OP point). The general problem with cento SW blowjobs is these girls are used to fast fucking for half an hour (are are good at that), not blowing for extended period of time. Not paying them 'crumbs' won't magically solve that. Many are simply amateurs and lack skills, not a "professional hookers" and don't consider themselves as such (occasional problems with refusing doggy because 'soy no puta' or taking the bra off or sucking on tits), and some don't do it full time, have another job. Many also feel uncomfortable blowing since in their mind this is considered more intimate is mainly reserved for their BFs. That being said there are also "professional putas" in there who seem to work every day, though not my typical demographic.

[QUOTE=Snook;2799753]Does anyone have a pic of the barricades they can post. Would be nice to see what I am getting into since I will be there this week. I do Centro during the day.
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[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799711]Ahh finally someone gets it. Yes that's exactly it, you get what you pay for LOL. These street girls recognize this so it only makes sense for them to give you the bare minimal. Why would you expect them to worship your cock when you are paying them crumbs LOL.[/QUOTE]He literally just said you don't get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2799776]I think others can learn a lot from you. You finally got it. LOL. Would you share more on where you get the girls, services and prices so others can learn more from you?[/QUOTE]Instagram, Facebook & lleras park bar. Prices were as low was 250 k (Facebook) to 500 k (instagram) all included all day and overnight as an option. All included companionship for dinners too. Full GFE experience.

My next trip next month, one of my regulars from a very popular strip club in Mexico is going with me to enjoy the activities and adventures. And guess what? She's not charging me a dime for sex.

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Happy searching.[/QUOTE]Great report. Thank you sir!!

[QUOTE=Snook;2799753]I have searched and read the descriptions here. Does anyone have a pic of the barricades they can post. Would be nice to see what I am getting into since I will be there this week. I do Centro during the day.

TIA.

Happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]The barricades will not impede any of your activities while in Centro unless you drag a very skanky / and or young looking Chica from outside the barricades to go to one of the three Love Motels inside the barricaded area which include Zona Rosa, Botero, and Premium Plaza.

The police are stopping young looking Chicas and scantily dressed ones at the checkpoints checking ID's and in some cases asking questions, as this is what I have observed this past week.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2799572]According to MiamiBoy us gringo mongers don't go to Centro to buy kitchen tools, shower heads, or a saw from the the ferreteria. Apparently he was wrong.[/QUOTE]According to me, gringo mongers go there to get cheap pussy. Gringo mongers who don't live in Medellin do not care about shower heads and other shit you buy. You and Nounce represent like 0. 001% of mongers who live there full time, and this percentage is so small that it is negligible. And I bet those dudes dressed for parque lleras are not walking around El Centro looking for a place to buy a saw.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2799916]According to me, gringo mongers go there to get cheap pussy. Gringo mongers who don't live in Medellin do not care about shower heads and other shit you buy. You and Nounce represent like 0. 001% of mongers who live there full time, and this percentage is so small that it is negligible. And I bet those dudes dressed for parque lleras are not walking around El Centro looking for a place to buy a saw.[/QUOTE]Oh please, do you actually believe those guys live there? Are you that gullible? Do you actually believe that centro is actually a red light district? It's not. No, all that crap you have read and all those youtube videos about it are just bullshit like 90% of everything you rad on the internet. There are plenty of working girls in Medellin, I can assure you having been there twice since December. However, centro is not where you go to find lovely Colombianas.

And no, Parque Lleras is not a mongering scene, either. Its a small park in an upscale neighborhood, surrounded by trendy, overpriced businesses. Its not where you go to look for women. Really. But, apparently, some guys have actually done that in vain, probably because they have read that it is or they saw stupid videos on youtube. I saw a couple of black American guys there walking about alone, and boy did they seem confused.

So let me tell you and your pals here what Centro is, so you will actually know what it is about. Its a commercial district plain and simple. There are tons of shops selling all kinds of things at great prices. I go there to shop just because I like the vibe and the energy in the late afternoon, as people get off of work and the streets fill with people leaving work. Stuff like socks, liquor, and quite possibly shower heads are to found there at competitive prices. And its a fun place to be for about an hour. Then it gets dark, the shops start to shut down, and then it starts to get nasty. Real nasty.

Yes, there are people selling their bodies in parts of centro. These include skanky addicts, hideous trannies, gays, older broads as well as some girls who are way too young to be on the streets. And I do mean way too young to be doing what they are doing. And you don't want any part of that. In short, what you will see is mostly people (not necessarily female) who couldn't work in a casa the cita and didn't have the means, the brains or the body to work as a prepago. Yes, I have seen a few cute girls in some doorways, but I have always seen better in the options that any first world person can afford. Colombia is full of beautiful women and there is no reason to to screw around with cheap skanks. And then there is the filthy, street scum that spots you and hollers, "Gringo! Gringo!" as they come running after you like a flesh-eating zombie in one of those movies. Apparently they believe you are a walking ATM and will give them money.

Once again, there is no significant mongering scene in Centro nor are there a bunch of prostitutes hanging around Parque Lleras. Really. People who talk about mongering there are living in a fantasy, and a stupid one, at that. Anyone who has ever been to decent brothel in Colombia or hooked up with a decent prepago will know that.

BTW, how are you supposed to dress for Parque Lleras? I'm pretty sure I went to Parque Lleras dressed the same way as I went dressed in centro. I always try to look presentable.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799839]....You could actually learn a thing or two from me if you weren't a sarcastic prick.[/QUOTE]For once that your criticism has substance so that was a encouragement for others learn the [B]aim[/B] from you, and not just rant aimlessly like you did before. Originally I was going to say that is the most intelligent post you have ever done but I felt that was too hash. I tried to put it nicely but I see that you still don't take it too well.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799839]My next trip next month, one of my regulars from a very popular strip club in Mexico is going with me to enjoy the activities and adventures. And guess what? She's not charging me a dime for sex.[/QUOTE]Sounds like it will be on and poppin. How did you get a chick that you regularly pay for sex to pay for her own trip?

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2799811]Why are you talking about things you know nothing about? You haven't even been in centro (not to mention missed the OP point). The general problem with cento SW blowjobs is these girls are used to fast fucking for half an hour (are are good at that), not blowing for extended period of time. Not paying them 'crumbs' won't magically solve that. Many are simply amateurs and lack skills, not a "professional hookers" and don't consider themselves as such (occasional problems with refusing doggy because 'soy no puta' or taking the bra off or sucking on tits), and some don't do it full time, have another job. Many also feel uncomfortable blowing since in their mind this is considered more intimate is mainly reserved for their BFs. That being said there are also "professional putas" in there who seem to work every day, though not my typical demographic.[/QUOTE]That's pretty much what I was getting at, that's basic knowledge of how a cheap street girl works and I am aware of all that. Which is just one of the many reasons street girls don't interest me. But thanks for explaining in detail for those who may not be aware of this apparently like the OP.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2799916]According to me, gringo mongers go there to get cheap pussy. .[/QUOTE]Did it ever occur to you that some mongers don't frequent CENTRO because the pussy is cheap, yet because they like the atmosphere, albeit dangerous at times, sometimes like a circus, yet enjoy lurking around looking for new women to take upstairs, and at times finding hidden gems which requires a lot of time and patience.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2799839] Prices were as low was 250 k (Facebook).... all included all day and overnight as an option.[/QUOTE]250 for a whole day? That's 31.25 mil for an hour (assuming 8 h day) or 20.8 mil / h (assuming 12 h day). You're dating way cheaper hookers than centro SWs (60-80 mil / h). I hope the crumbs you're paying give you good service (although I hear one need to overpay to get that).

As much as I hate this form it does seem to help when you get to Colombia. I think it does speed things as they don't ask as many questions. This is important as my last three trips to MDE resulted in terrible long lines. All that said it still makes no sense to do the form to leave Colombia. The USA does not ever ask for the form. Only the people at the airport do ask for it sometimes. I am a hard copy guy. It is no problem when I am home as I can print out the form. I just did the form to leave and of course I got no email conformation. With no printer I copy and pasted the form to my e mail Not that long ago Spirit had flights to MDE only from FLL. Now they also go out of MCO. I imagine the other airlines have also added flights so that is the reason it takes about an hour and a half to clear Customs.

1. Get I Visa in the boat with me. Don't even use the Check Mig url.

2. Make request to I Visa 24 hours before departure.

3. Don't fly to Medellin on a short window. Arrive at the departure city one day early. Buy a refundable ticket. Have the Check Mig form from I Visa, and if something goes wrong ask the Carrier for advice. If it is still a no go. Let the Carrier know you did everything you possible could and ask for a refund. Worst car is I'm stuck in Miami, NYC, Orlando or LAX.

4. Be flexible. If I don't get on the plane to Colombia there is always the DR or Costa Rica. They aren't as great as Colombia but still very good.

5. Consider flying to Colombia from Cancun or Mexico City. If you don't make it to Colombia you are either at a beach or an Alpha world city.

P.S: thank you for all of the info everyone provided. Much appreciated. Vive Colombia!

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2800116]1. Get I Visa in the boat with me. Don't even use the Check Mig url.

2. Make request to I Visa 24 hours before departure.

3. Don't fly to Medellin on a short window. Arrive at the departure city one day early. Buy a refundable ticket. Have the Check Mig form from I Visa, and if something goes wrong ask the Carrier for advice. If it is still a no go. Let the Carrier know you did everything you possible could and ask for a refund. Worst car is I'm stuck in Miami, NYC, Orlando or LAX.

4. Be flexible. If I don't get on the plane to Colombia there is always the DR or Costa Rica. They aren't as great as Colombia but still very good.

5. Consider flying to Colombia from Cancun or Mexico City. If you don't make it to Colombia you are either at a beach or an Alpha world city.

P.S: thank you for all of the info everyone provided. Much appreciated. Vive Colombia![/QUOTE]That's a lot of planning for something which takes 3 minutes and which can be done 3 days in advance.

Here's how I do it and I've made it to Colombia on schedule every time.

1. Book my flight to either Medellin or Bogota, usually 2-3 months in advance. I book round-trip, usually, so no hurdles with return tickets.

2. 4 or 5 days before my trip I do a document check, upload my vaccination card, make sure my passport info is correct and start packing (I'm usually working the day before my flight, so I pack in advance).

3. 2 or 3 days before my flight I spend 2-3 minutes filling out the Check-Mig.

4. If I don't get the email confirmation, I check my other email folders. If still no email I return to the CheckMig app and choose the option to download my form.

5. I enter the information, download the form and take a screenshot.

6. Register my completed Check-Mig with my airline.

The form itself is simple and quick. There's no need to panic over it. No need to waste a day sitting in some city and no need to pay someone to do something that takes a few minutes. Relax.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2799926]Oh please, do you actually believe those guys live there? Are you that gullible? Do you actually believe that centro is actually a red light district? It's not. No, all that crap you have read and all those youtube videos about it are just bullshit like 90% of everything you rad on the internet. There are plenty of working girls in Medellin, I can assure you having been there twice since December. However, centro is not where you go to find lovely Colombianas.

And no, Parque Lleras is not a mongering scene, either. Its a small park in an upscale neighborhood, surrounded by trendy, overpriced businesses. Its not where you go to look for women. Really. But, apparently, some guys have actually done that in vain, probably because they have read that it is or they saw stupid videos on youtube. I saw a couple of black American guys there walking about alone, and boy did they seem confused.

So let me tell you and your pals here what Centro is, so you will actually know what it is about. Its a commercial district plain and simple. There are tons of shops selling all kinds of things at great prices. I go there to shop just because I like the vibe and the energy in the late afternoon, as people get off of work and the streets fill with people leaving work. Stuff like socks, liquor, and quite possibly shower heads are to found there at competitive prices. And its a fun place to be for about an hour. Then it gets dark, the shops start to shut down, and then it starts to get nasty. Real nasty.

Yes, there are people selling their bodies in parts of centro. These include skanky addicts, hideous trannies, gays, older broads as well as some girls who are way too young to be on the streets. And I do mean way too young to be doing what they are doing. And you don't want any part of that. In short, what you will see is mostly people (not necessarily female) who couldn't work in a casa the cita and didn't have the means, the brains or the body to work as a prepago. Yes, I have seen a few cute girls in some doorways, but I have always seen better in the options that any first world person can afford. Colombia is full of beautiful women and there is no reason to to screw around with cheap skanks. And then there is the filthy, street scum that spots you and hollers, "Gringo! Gringo!" as they come running after you like a flesh-eating zombie in one of those movies. Apparently they believe you are a walking ATM and will give them money.

Once again, there is no significant mongering scene in Centro nor are there a bunch of prostitutes hanging around Parque Lleras. Really. People who talk about mongering there are living in a fantasy, and a stupid one, at that. Anyone who has ever been to decent brothel in Colombia or hooked up with a decent prepago will know that.

BTW, how are you supposed to dress for Parque Lleras? I'm pretty sure I went to Parque Lleras dressed the same way as I went dressed in centro. I always try to look presentable.[/QUOTE]No mongering scene in El Centro? WTF are you talking about? The vast majority of brothels are located in El Centro. The vast majority of SW girls work in El Centro. No need to lecture me on what El Centro is, I don't watch youtube videos about it and I probably spend more time in Medellin than you do (2 months already in 2023 alone). This topic has already been discussed recently in the stupid shit in medellin forum, just scroll a few pages back. And if not El Centro, where do you think the mongering scene is? Sabaneta or Itagui? Or Laureles / Belen? Or maybe San Lucas? LOL. Parque Lleras is not a mongering scene? Maybe it was not years ago, but now it certainly is. Besides SW girls working the park, you have Gusto, Lleras park club, etc, calle 10 where working girls can be found.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2800081]Did it ever occur to you that some mongers don't frequent CENTRO because the pussy is cheap, yet because they like the atmosphere, albeit dangerous at times, sometimes like a circus, yet enjoy lurking around looking for new women to take upstairs, and at times finding hidden gems which requires a lot of time and patience.[/QUOTE]Shut down the brothels, take the working girls off the streets and see how long their frequent visits to El Centro will last.

Alright, so I just spent the last 2+ years living in Guadalajara. And although some of the "Esteticas" can be great, I was able to get better action after having found a few Telegram groups that the pros would post too. Solid freaks, decent prices.

Disclaimer: I speak and understand Spanish at just about 100% proficiency, both my parents are second generation Mexican. Also, currently have a girlfriend of 2+ years in Guadalajara I visit every 2 months for 1 month.

So, with that said. I will be flying into Medellin from California in Mid-April and so have taken to Tinder. And DAMN! Most ladies on that thing are Smokin! I get about 10 matches per day, with about one-third giving up the WhatsApp number after a bit of small talk.

Once they realize I am not currently in Medellin, and ask where I live. My line is typically: "De hecho, ahorita ando en California para hacer unas compras (shopping bag emoji) why el mantenimeinto de una propriedad que tengo con mi hermano. Pero regresaré a Medellin en unas semanas (plane emoji). Dios primero, quizas podemos salir para un cafecito o vaso de vino (wine glass emoji) cuando regrese. (two hands up salue emoji)".

This is immediately followed up by: "Bueno, Podemos hablar por WhatsApp? Pasame tu numero si quieres chula. ! (cellphone, smile w / heartface, and pray hands emojis).

And since last Sunday this has resulted in 38 phone numbers from the Medellin Chicas, and about 25 of those I am certain are pros, as when I try to ask questions to get to know them I am met with silence. Not even blue check marks, after which I will just come out and say "Cuanto sale la hora contigo baby?" they will then immediately respond with something like "jajajaj 110 usd baby". Another - "Daniela" (smoking hot) just came right out with it and said = "Aja baby soy escort si te interesa esta bien, si no, no soy lo que buscas" . Which I actually kinda appreciated.

Now. About 5 I talk to on a daily basis, they will text me out of the blue to wish me a good day, or on Sunday to with me happy "Dia De los Hombres". One is absolutely crazy and thinks we're getting married, works at a Cafe and sends me pics / videos all day long of her working, washing dishes, etc (she's black). Lately she has also started sending pics of dildos and butt plugs saying she wants them as presents. Another is an older mother (38) with special needs kids supposedly (also black), and another is about 32, posts her kids on her whatsapp statuses (latina fair skinned) and is alright. But just meh as far as looks are concerned. , BUT! The one I'm really digging is like this light-skinned black (yellowbone we call them), 5"7', supposedly works as an administrative assistant Wed-Fri and goes to school studying Finance. Her profile pic was a picture / meme that said (translated) : "The value of a man is not in his physique, but rather in his acts. ".

Of the other 25 who are pros. Now they run the gamit, from about 33 to 18; all natural bodies to obviously "operadas" with huge fake boobs and butts. And they quote their prices as (in no particular order): 250 mil per hour thick mama who claims to be a pig in the bed, to 300 mil per hour, 18 year old chick who probably couldn't handle a hard banging with three blue diamonds in the system; to $1,250 USD for a Cam Model who offers a video of "two parts" , supposedly shot professionally with multiple cameras, professional lighting, and the works that she uses for her only Fans page. To 110 USD "Daniela" (cute as a button) to 150 USD. A chick who has two Tinder profiles that I matched with twice, and goes by different names. And has different numbers. That one's definitely sketch.

Anyways! So my question is: Of the girls from Medellin on Tinder, what do you all assume is the percentage of them that are working girls? Are there truly some who are looking for a partner from the USA / Canada / Europe? Some claim to be Hair Stylists, Cosmetologists, Veterinarian Assistants, but nearly all have those profile pictures in Bikinis, with their booties all tooted up for the camera. Oh and I've noticed they are all so quick to reply with "hola amor" "baby" "cariño" or something along those lines, but as I am not one to allow my head to be gassed-up so easily, I am a bit conflicted-on one had I think it's a bit desperate and transparent on their part, and on the other hand its like - "OK. Let's play" . . .

Now. Of the one I'm enamored with. Her pics were very low-key, matter of fact she had no pics by the pool, in the club, or in a bikini / thong showing her body off; there were two shots looking very casual in jeans and a blouse, two face close ups (like portrait style), one with a "Stitch" lilo & stitch that is. Beanie, and one the last pic in a pair of mickey and Minnie mouse pijamas. No "amor" from her, but "querido". Which is interesting - "dear". Damn. I just hope she's authentic but I know I shouldn't get my hopes up.

With regards to the others, I make it clear what I will want and expect of them "Por una noche, vamos a ser puercos en la cama", and they all laugh and say things like (translated) "Wow, what is this going to be, like 50 shades of Grey or something? Jajaja" or some will simply reply with the purple devil emoji and say "me gusta."

Anyways, the goal is to go out on a few normal dates with hopefully 2-5 that I judge to be non-working girls, and then to pick maybe 5 or so working girls, to partake of. As body shapes / sizes / skin tones and asking prices are all disparate, unique, and tantalizing in their own ways.

Oh!, and they all seem to think I'm "Mexican" and say "te expresas como Mexicano" ; I guess the idioms and slang I use are very Mexico-centric. I know I have to be safe, but after two years in Guadalajara Centro, and many trips over the last 20 years to San Jose, Costa Rica centro and the old Blue Marlin area / scene, my survival instincts are pretty well honed, and having the language helps a lot too of course.

As my trip gets closer I'll update progress and revelations. Wish I could share some of these numbers / profiles, but don't yet have the ability to PM! Doh!

Rick.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2800200]Alright, so I just spent the last 2+ years living in Guadalajara. And although some of the "Esteticas" can be great, I was able to get better action after having found a few Telegram groups that the pros would post too. Solid freaks, decent prices.

Disclaimer: I speak and understand Spanish at just about 100% proficiency, both my parents are second generation Mexican. Also, currently have a girlfriend of 2+ years in Guadalajara I visit every 2 months for 1 month.

So, with that said. I will be flying into Medellin from California in Mid-April and so have taken to Tinder. And DAMN! Most ladies on that thing are Smokin! I get about 10 matches per day, with about one-third giving up the WhatsApp number after a bit of small talk..[/QUOTE]I just come back from Medellin after 2 weeks! And it was great! In fact I fucked only 2 girls! But I spent great time!

In fact I met the first girl on facebook, she's 23 and very sexy! She asked my 500 to spend all night with me in my hotel and to fuck without condom! This price was perfect for me. She came my hotel, we went first to a nice restaurant and the feeling was great! Then we come back my hotel, she started to dance, she loves to be sexy, and she touched my dick and started to make me a great blowjob! Then I fucked her in doggy on the bed and I was so horny, I came inside her pussy! She was very surprised! She decided to go take a shower quikly! And I relax on the bed, then she came back on the bed and smoke a cigaret. She was looking her whasapp and was answering to another customer that she couldn't meet him because she was already with me.

And just for fun, I took her phone and let a message on her customers by whasapp to say she was busy fucking with me right now LOL! And then we fucked again and she was smiling a lot!

And finally we had sex till 5 am in morning then we slept!

Finally I decided to stay with her again the next day. We went visit Medellin. And a again a great night of sex!

On the third day, I proposed her to stay with me for all my holidays and she was OK but she told me to come her home to tale some clothes to travel with me and I finally mt all the family. We went to a restaurant all together.

And she has a great sexy daughter of 19 . I asked her if she was OK if I fuck her sister too! She told me no problem for her but I've to ask her sister. She asked me to wait until we finish eat when parents would left! And finally when we finished eat, she called her sister and asked her to fuck with me too for 500.

We decided to take a yellow taxi and we went to a sex motel in Medellin for 4 hours. In the taxi, the mood was hot! I played with the tits and ass of her sister! And we finally got sex all together during the next 4 hours!

And finally I decided to stay with them during all my holidays. I paid 3 Millions to each girls for the 2 weeks of vacations. And we had sexy almost everyday!

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2800082]250 for a whole day? That's 31.25 mil for an hour (assuming 8 h day) or 20.8 mil / h (assuming 12 h day). You're dating way cheaper hookers than centro SWs (60-80 mil / h). I hope the crumbs you're paying give you good service (although I hear one need to overpay to get that).[/QUOTE]Obviously I wasn't fucking them all day. They just enjoyed spending time with me and going out. It just depends if you're likable or not or if they want to be seen in public with you. Obviously if you're fat or not presentable or just uncomfortable with you they're more than likely going to charge you more.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2799965]Sounds like it will be on and poppin. How did you get a chick that you regularly pay for sex to pay for her own trip?[/QUOTE]If you read carefully I said she's not charging me for sex. But let me explain it better for you so you can understand better. She's going to be with me on this trip for a little over a week. So during that week no money will be exchange for sex for her like I normally would if I would just see her at the club.

I invited her, so obviously I paid for her flight which was cheap from Mexico anyways. I'm also going to pay for her food obviously, which BTW will also be cheaper than most places like we all are aware of.

Now, if you meant how did I get her to agree to not charge me? Well I can't answer you that, you'the have to ask her, all I can say is that I just told her upfront that if she wants to come with me don't expect any payment from me for sex or her time because I don't do that with girls I invite to travel with me and she simply said of course not don't worry about that.

The only expense I'm sure I will have is paying the girls she brings back with us for threesomes which I'll be more than happy to do that LOL.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2800200]So, with that said. I will be flying into Medellin from California in Mid-April and so have taken to Tinder. And DAMN! Most ladies on that thing are Smokin! I get about 10 matches per day, with about one-third giving up the WhatsApp number after a bit of small talk.

Once they realize I am not currently in Medellin, and ask where I live. My line is typically: "De hecho, ahorita ando en California para hacer unas compras (shopping bag emoji) why el mantenimeinto de una propriedad que tengo con mi hermano. [/QUOTE]So you get on a site known for druggings and robberies sometimes leading to killings and you let everybody know that you are not even in the country, but have plenty of money at which they quote you ridiculous prices which really excite you.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2799909]The barricades will not impede any of your activities while in Centro unless you drag a very skanky / and or young looking Chica from outside the barricades to go to one of the three Love Motels inside the barricaded area which include Zona Rosa, Botero, and Premium Plaza.

The police are stopping young looking Chicas and scantily dressed ones at the checkpoints checking ID's and in some cases asking questions, as this is what I have observed this past week.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. All I wanted to know. Will report when I return.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2800216]In fact I met the first girl on facebook, she's 23 and very sexy! She asked my 500 to spend all night with me in my hotel and to fuck without condom! Then I fucked her in doggy on the bed and I was so horny, I came inside her pussy![/QUOTE]How did you manage to pull that off? Some say only low class centro streetwalkers act in this manner and have the diseases to show for it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2800193]Shut down the brothels, take the working girls off the streets and see how long their frequent visits to El Centro will last.[/QUOTE]Haven't been in a brothel for 3 or 4 years. Never pulled a working girl off the street. Was in El Centro in December, my most recent visit to Medellin. Feel bad that I didn't spend more time there, since I didn't get a chance to visit one of my favorite restaurants.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2800216]
And just for fun, I took her phone and let a message on her customers by whasapp to say she was busy fucking with me right now LOL! [/QUOTE]Dude that's not "just for fun" clandestinely using someone else's phone to potentially mess with their livelihood. Completely uncool.

[QUOTE=Snook;2800266]Thanks for the update. All I wanted to know. Will report when I return.

Snook.[/QUOTE]I was there on Sunday watching from seat near the exit. They were stopping the younger guys too. It looks like they were telling them to walk around the park rather than through it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2800190]No mongering scene in El Centro? WTF are you talking about? The vast majority of brothels are located in El Centro. The vast majority of SW girls work in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Obviously this guy is off his head. There is plenty of mongering in there, but overall, it makes up a small percentage of what's going on in el Centro.

And yes, I go there even when not mongering.

Saturday daytime is the best day to visit to experience el Centro vibe, Sunday the worst.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2800264]So you get on a site known for druggings and robberies sometimes leading to killings and you let everybody know that you are not even in the country, but have plenty of money at which they quote you ridiculous prices which really excite you.[/QUOTE]Nobody said anything about being "excited" by prices, ugh. And please, a "site", first of all its an "app" and hardly "known" for drugging's and robberies. Don't let the the unfortunate missteps of a few naive souls stigmatize all. Many here give recommendations on neighborhoods, bars, and clubs that are much more well "known" for "druggings and robberies" than a smartphone app.

If that's you're experience with the platform, then obviously you're just an easy mark, and probably speak Spanish with a heavy gringo accent. To each his own, Don't be such a hater. And to the average chica down there, if we earn in Dollars or Euros, then we all have, "plenty of money" . . .

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2800414]Obviously this guy is off his head. There is plenty of mongering in there, but overall, it makes up a small percentage of what's going on in el Centro.

And yes, I go there even when not mongering.

Saturday daytime is the best day to visit to experience el Centro vibe, Sunday the worst.[/QUOTE]I believe on Saturday or Sunday there's a bit of a flea market in Parque Bolivar, near the church.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2800249]If you read carefully I said she's not charging me for sex. But let me explain it better for you so you can understand better. S....[/QUOTE]I think that wasn't a real question.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2800421]...If that's you're experience with the platform, then obviously you're just an easy mark, and probably speak Spanish with a heavy gringo accent. . .[/QUOTE]It's not the same in Medellin. They target locals too. I take that you are not really aware of that Medellin is a little different in the danger level.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2800421]Nobody said anything about being "excited" by prices, ugh. And please, a "site", first of all its an "app" and hardly "known" for drugging's and robberies. Don't let the the unfortunate missteps of a few naive souls stigmatize all. Many here give recommendations on neighborhoods, bars, and clubs that are much more well "known" for "druggings and robberies" than a smartphone app.

If that's you're experience with the platform, then obviously you're just an easy mark, and probably speak Spanish with a heavy gringo accent. To each his own, Don't be such a hater. And to the average chica down there, if we earn in Dollars or Euros, then we all have, "plenty of money" . . .[/QUOTE]In Medellin, Tinder has been the goto platform, or app if you prefer, for gangs who specialize in drugging and robbing guys. It unfortunately happens quite often. Occasionally the victim dies, or is murdered. It's been a significant problem for awhile now and appears to be getting worse.

The prices you were given are high for Medellin.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2800216]... finally I decided to stay with them during all my holidays. I paid 3 Millions to each girls for the 2 weeks of vacations. And we had sexy almost everyday![/QUOTE]Congrats on your epic trip! It's a lot of fun to have two chicas that know each other well even not for sex!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2800431]I believe on Saturday or Sunday there's a bit of a flea market in Parque Bolivar, near the church.[/QUOTE]Yes, there's a 'general' flea market on Saturdays and an artisanal / crafts Mercado de Sanalejo every 1st and (since 2023) 3rd Saturday of the month. Not sure what's happening on Sundays there.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2800421]Nobody said anything about being "excited" by prices, ugh. And please, a "site", first of all its an "app"[/QUOTE]My bad. I thought you were talking about the site [URL]www.tinder.com[/URL] that is owned by Match Group. Must be something else though.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2789713]What happened to ChicaCheck? Why did they make changes?

Without being able to see profile photos, or reviews / comments, also they took away the option to view recently updated profiles, it's pretty much useless now.[/QUOTE]Looks like they created a new site called ChicaChat. Co which shows profile photos. Kinda feels like a dating app.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2800431]I believe on Saturday or Sunday there's a bit of a flea market in Parque Bolivar, near the church.[/QUOTE]It's Saturday. It's a craft market. That place has been cleaned up.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2800488]It's Saturday. It's a craft market. That place has been cleaned up.[/QUOTE]Parque Bolivar has always been one of my favorite parks in Medellin.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2800506]Parque Bolivar has always been one of my favorite parks in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Interesting choice as it's not really a mongering spot which I know your aware of for guys on this board, albeit there are other types of mongering there for locals. And not the safest place to be at late in the evening, no different than Plaza Botero.

Periodista Park, better known as "Stoner's Park" can be fun in the evenings, and many years ago Parque Lleras was a bit similar in that people would openly be smoking dope sitting inside the park.

So many people are using drugs in Medellin. As an example today while leaving the Parque Berrio Station I headed down the main drag to the backside of the Museum and I saw people smoking weed, snorting coke, sniffing glue, and people shooting up. All in walking no more than about 500 meters.

There's so many tourists now, and without the barricades at Botero Plaza, a lot of the drug use I mentioned used to occur there as well.

I think the barricades are going to be permanent.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2800081]Did it ever occur to you that some mongers don't frequent CENTRO because the pussy is cheap, yet because they like the atmosphere, albeit dangerous at times, sometimes like a circus, yet enjoy lurking around looking for new women to take upstairs, and at times finding hidden gems which requires a lot of time and patience.[/QUOTE]More or less sums up why I stay / monger in el centro. My friends don't get it because I will stay at Energy Living with them if they come around but solo I'll just stay at the Nutti.

What's everyone's favorite pueblo to visit?

There is lots of punter / provider activity in Parque Bolivar. It's somewhat of a niche market sometimes referred to as "alternative lifestyle. " You are spot on about the danger and it's not only after dark. It's astonishing how many violent crimes happen in such a small parcel that actually contains a police station.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2800578]Interesting choice as it's not really a mongering spot which I know your aware of for guys on this board, albeit there are other types of mongering there for locals. And not the safest place to be at late in the evening, no different than Plaza Botero.

Periodista Park, better known as "Stoner's Park" can be fun in the evenings, and many years ago Parque Lleras was a bit similar in that people would openly be smoking dope sitting inside the park.

So many people are using drugs in Medellin. As an example today while leaving the Parque Berrio Station I headed down the main drag to the backside of the Museum and I saw people smoking weed, snorting coke, sniffing glue, and people shooting up. All in walking no more than about 500 meters.

There's so many tourists now, and without the barricades at Botero Plaza, a lot of the drug use I mentioned used to occur there as well.

I think the barricades are going to be permanent.[/QUOTE]

Please message me if you are interested in this. I will of course pay.

Thanks!

Hi.

I am staying at hotel Dorado.

Got a great rate for 36 dollars.

Lots of hot water.

It's Chica friendly.

I live in Guyana.

But am Canadian citizen.

Scotiabank I pulled Cash last night.

Rate was 3300.

Included a 20900 pesos charge.

I have a TD card.

Migracion was quick yesterday about 15 minutes.

I am east Indian so if anyone ys a Hotel Dorado.

And see me say Hi.

My last trip was in November.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2800702]Hi.

I am staying at hotel Dorado.

Got a great rate for 36 dollars.

Lots of hot water.

It's Chica friendly.

I live in Guyana.

But am Canadian citizen.

Scotiabank I pulled Cash last night.

Rate was 3300.

Included a 20900 pesos charge.

I have a TD card.

Migracion was quick yesterday about 15 minutes.

I am east Indian so if anyone ys a Hotel Dorado.

And see me say Hi.

My last trip was in November.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]You got 3,300? You must be using a Canadian bank to withdraw your money. Even so, the Canadian $ should be slighly above $3,500 Colombian Pesos. You might want to review your methodology.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valentina.munozjimenez.5[/URL]

This girl's photos are real. We have video chatted twice. She is a gorgeous natural blonde, beautiful breasts, 23 years old. Very nice and friendly personality. Very little English. Use google translate however I would not waste too much time on small talk; there are a lot of other things I would do with her. .

[QUOTE=SureMan;2800702]I am east Indian so if anyone ys a Hotel Dorado.
[/QUOTE]Since you've been there before you are probably already familiar with it, but just in case -- Zaaika is an excellent Indian Restaurant in the Parque Lleras area. The back-balcony sitting area can be a nice place for a date, overlooking the park. We never skip it when we visit.

Search "ATM" and "Davivienda" before you make another withdrawal. You can get a much better rate.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2800702]Hi.

I am staying at hotel Dorado.

Got a great rate for 36 dollars.

Lots of hot water.

It's Chica friendly.

I live in Guyana.

But am Canadian citizen.

Scotiabank I pulled Cash last night.

Rate was 3300.

Included a 20900 pesos charge.

I have a TD card.

Migracion was quick yesterday about 15 minutes.

I am east Indian so if anyone ys a Hotel Dorado.

And see me say Hi.

My last trip was in November.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2800767]Search "ATM" and "Davivienda" before you make another withdrawal. You can get a much better rate.[/QUOTE]He's using Canadian dollars.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2800755]Since you've been there before you are probably already familiar with it, but just in case -- Zaaika is an excellent Indian Restaurant in the Parque Lleras area. The back-balcony sitting area can be a nice place for a date, overlooking the park. We never skip it when we visit.[/QUOTE]Hands down this is the best Indian place to eat in Poblado, and they don't fool around on the spiciness, on a scale of 1-5, I can barely handle 2 so it's the real deal when it comes to cooking up and serving spicy Indian food. And it's actually located very close to Parque Poblado about 1/2 block up from the "miracle mile", Avenida Poblado. And Parque LLeras is about three blocks further up the hill from the Indian Place. And a few doors up from the Indian place is Zorba's a vegetarian place with Pizza's and salads. A very young crowd there, "twenty somethings" and usually packed as it's very popular.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2800755]Since you've been there before you are probably already familiar with it, but just in case -- Zaaika is an excellent Indian Restaurant in the Parque Lleras area. The back-balcony sitting area can be a nice place for a date, overlooking the park. We never skip it when we visit.[/QUOTE]Hands down this is the best Indian place to eat in Poblado, and they don't fool around on the spiciness, on a scale of 1-5, I can barely handle 2 so it's the real deal when it comes to cooking up and serving spicy Indian food. And it's actually located very close to Parque Poblado about 1/2 block up from the "miracle mile", Avenida Poblado. And Parque LLeras is about three blocks further up the hill from the Indian Place. And a few doors up from the Indian place is Zorba's a vegetarian place with Pizza's and salads. A very young crowd there, "twenty somethings" and usually packed as it's very popular.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2800755]Since you've been there before you are probably already familiar with it, but just in case -- Zaaika is an excellent Indian Restaurant in the Parque Lleras area. The back-balcony sitting area can be a nice place for a date, overlooking the park. We never skip it when we visit.[/QUOTE]As Guyanese Indian I hardly eat traditional Indian food.

Our lifestyle is Caribbean style.

As another poster mentioned about the rate.

I checked visa it was 3500 pesos for one Canadian dollar.

I will check Davienda.

Sureman.

Thank goodness, otherwise that rate would qualify as a violent crime. It might be worth a try to avoid the 20 K fee unless it is the Canadian bank that is charging it.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2800782]He's using Canadian dollars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SureMan;2800799]

I checked visa it was 3500 pesos for one Canadian dollar.

I will check Davienda.[/QUOTE]Make sure you decline the bank's conversion rate at the Davivienda ATM. There is a Davivienda ATM very close to your hotel on LA 70, same side of the street.

It looks like that's just a front end that links to the chicacheck data. I submitted a support request asking if they were ever going to bring the ability to read comments associated with "Compliments" back, but they closed it out without giving an answer. The site is going to end up being a money grab I'm sure.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2800483]Looks like they created a new site called ChicaChat. Co which shows profile photos. Kinda feels like a dating app.[/QUOTE]

What's the deal with phone thefts? Yes they are expensive but for the motos that drive past to snatch up phones, I doubt they ask for passwords as they speed away. So my question is, are phones not difficult to unlock in Colombia like they are in the USA? Or do they just sell them for parts?

Do you know how many times I've found phones that nobody claimed and I've tried to unlock. It's such a pain in the ass and some you just can't without taking it to apple and showing a receipt. Some repair shops can't even unlock them if they been reported lost or stolen, game over. But some will buy them for parts. So what's the deal in Colombia? I'm guessing it must be easy for them to get past iCloud lock and unlock it with a new foreign carrier?

The phones get parted out in Centro if they can't be hacked and reset. Like late model cars, the parts are worth more than the assembled device.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2800866]What's the deal with phone thefts? Yes they are expensive but for the motos that drive past to snatch up phones, I doubt they ask for passwords as they speed away. So my question is, are phones not difficult to unlock in Colombia like they are in the USA? Or do they just sell them for parts?

Do you know how many times I've found phones that nobody claimed and I've tried to unlock. It's such a pain in the ass and some you just can't without taking it to apple and showing a receipt. Some repair shops can't even unlock them if they been reported lost or stolen, game over. But some will buy them for parts. So what's the deal in Colombia? I'm guessing it must be easy for them to get past iCloud lock and unlock it with a new foreign carrier?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2800866]What's the deal with phone thefts? Yes they are expensive but for the motos that drive past to snatch up phones, I doubt they ask for passwords as they speed away. So my question is, are phones not difficult to unlock in Colombia like they are in the USA? Or do they just sell them for parts?

Do you know how many times I've found phones that nobody claimed and I've tried to unlock. It's such a pain in the ass and some you just can't without taking it to apple and showing a receipt. Some repair shops can't even unlock them if they been reported lost or stolen, game over. But some will buy them for parts. So what's the deal in Colombia? I'm guessing it must be easy for them to get past iCloud lock and unlock it with a new foreign carrier?[/QUOTE]When I used to live in Tijuana there were shops where you could take a stolen phone (android or iPhone although I think they charged more for iPhone) and they would hook it up to a computer and within 45 minutes it was completely wiped clean, unlocked, like it was brand new out of the box. For Android the service costs $200 mxn about $10 usd. I'm sure Medellin must have similar shops.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2800866]What's the deal with phone thefts? Yes they are expensive but for the motos that drive past to snatch up phones, I doubt they ask for passwords as they speed away. So my question is, are phones not difficult to unlock in Colombia like they are in the USA? Or do they just sell them for parts?

Do you know how many times I've found phones that nobody claimed and I've tried to unlock. It's such a pain in the ass and some you just can't without taking it to apple and showing a receipt. Some repair shops can't even unlock them if they been reported lost or stolen, game over. But some will buy them for parts. So what's the deal in Colombia? I'm guessing it must be easy for them to get past iCloud lock and unlock it with a new foreign carrier?[/QUOTE]Seems like most of the phones here don't have the features your mentioning, hence nothing to unlock just insert a SIM card and your good to go. In fact used, but in reality stolen phones are sold by vendors underneath the overhead Metro tracks just up from Hotel Nutibarra. You can get a smart phone for as low as 80,000 COP and it's interesting because a lot of times the Whatsapp information of the previous owner is on them. For guys bringing say a USA Verizon phone down with them, if it gets stolen it will be a problem for you.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2800702]Hi.

I am staying at hotel Dorado.

Got a great rate for 36 dollars.

Lots of hot water.

It's Chica friendly.

I live in Guyana.

But am Canadian citizen.

Scotiabank I pulled Cash last night.

Rate was 3300.

Included a 20900 pesos charge.

I have a TD card.

Migracion was quick yesterday about 15 minutes.

I am east Indian so if anyone ys a Hotel Dorado.

And see me say Hi.

My last trip was in November.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]Let me call some fellas up that like to ride motos and let them know there is an Indian monger staying at dorado.

Yeah probably should have kept some of those details to yourself LOL. Don't get got.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2800866]What's the deal with phone thefts? Yes they are expensive but for the motos that drive past to snatch up phones, I doubt they ask for passwords as they speed away. So my question is, are phones not difficult to unlock in Colombia like they are in the USA? Or do they just sell them for parts?

Do you know how many times I've found phones that nobody claimed and I've tried to unlock. It's such a pain in the ass and some you just can't without taking it to apple and showing a receipt. Some repair shops can't even unlock them if they been reported lost or stolen, game over. But some will buy them for parts. So what's the deal in Colombia? I'm guessing it must be easy for them to get past iCloud lock and unlock it with a new foreign carrier?[/QUOTE]IPhones are easy to wipe out and start over. So I imagine others are even easier.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2801066]IPhones are easy to wipe out and start over. So I imagine others are even easier.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2800977]When I used to live in Tijuana there were shops where you could take a stolen phone (android or iPhone although I think they charged more for iPhone) and they would hook it up to a computer and within 45 minutes it was completely wiped clean, unlocked, like it was brand new out of the box. For Android the service costs $200 mxn about $10 usd. I'm sure Medellin must have similar shops.[/QUOTE]It's currently impossible to bypass the iCloud activation lock on iPhones newer than and including the iPhone XR although this won't deter a thief because they can easily sell it for parts in El Centro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2799242]Seeing that you will win the mega-millions lottery 3 times over before having sex with a local chick in Bahrain, this point is unnecessary. And all the hookers there come from other places. I was with a Thai chick last night that just got back from hooking over there.[/QUOTE]I have been to Bahrain several times. There are absolutely some local Bahraini women who seek American / foreign men on dating apps. Just because Bahrain is full of foreign Thai hookers, doesn't mean some locals don't want a foreign man. Do I want a Bahraini woman? No. Many are on the fat side with too much makeup and spoiled attitude. Have I matched and conversed with them on bumble with the chance to meet them? Yes.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2800200]Alright, so I just spent the last 2+ years living in Guadalajara. And although some of the "Esteticas" can be great, I was able to get better action after having found a few Telegram groups that the pros would post too. Solid freaks, decent prices.

Disclaimer: I speak and understand Spanish at just about 100% proficiency, both my parents are second generation Mexican. Also, currently have a girlfriend of 2+ years in Guadalajara I visit every 2 months for 1 month.

So, with that said. I will be flying into Medellin from California in Mid-April and so have taken to Tinder. And DAMN! Most ladies on that thing are Smokin! I get about 10 matches per day, with about one-third giving up the WhatsApp number after a bit of small talk.

Once they realize I am not currently in Medellin, and ask where I live. My line is typically: "De hecho, ahorita ando en California para hacer unas compras (shopping bag emoji) why el mantenimeinto de una propriedad que tengo con mi hermano. Pero regresar a Medellin en unas semanas (plane emoji). Dios primero, quizas podemos salir para un cafecito o vaso de vino (wine glass emoji) cuando regrese. (two hands up salue emoji)".

This is immediately followed up by: "Bueno, Podemos hablar por WhatsApp? Pasame tu numero si quieres chula. ! (cellphone, smile w / heartface, and pray hands emojis).

And since last Sunday this has resulted in 38 phone numbers from the Medellin Chicas, and about 25 of those I am certain are pros, as when I try to ask questions to get to know them I am met with silence. Not even blue check marks, after which I will just come out and say "Cuanto sale la hora contigo baby?" they will then immediately respond with something like "jajajaj 110 usd baby". Another - "Daniela" (smoking hot) just came right out with it and said = "Aja baby soy escort si te interesa esta bien, si no, no soy lo que buscas" . Which I actually kinda appreciated.[/QUOTE]You got to get on that. Get your PM function working and message me haha.

[QUOTE=Chelovec;2800701]Please message me if you are interested in this. I will of course pay.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You don't need to pay. Check DM.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2773666]I just spent a month in Colombia and spent a good bit of time in the more expensive strip clubs. Like anywhere strip clubs aren't the best value compared to others in town, but many of us want to get out at night. Yes the girls in La Isla and Fase Dos are from the same handful of lower strata barrios as the Facebook, casas girls, and girls in the Centro strip clubs. It's also true, and I'll concede, that there's a higher concentration of the hotter girls from these barrios than in other venues. You spend more but save time ferreting out the gems in the less espensive places. That said, get ready to wear the latex, as in my fairly extensive research the girls in the more expensive places are wholly inflexible when it comes to BBBJ, even for a nice tip. BBFS of course forget it. For those that want to wear a raincoat start to finish and aren't price conscious, these clubs may be good option for you.[/QUOTE]I'm conducting research on Medellin (already been to Thailand, Dubai, Germany, Amsterdam, DR, etc) and this is disappointing.

I've noticed that South American or Latin women are far more unwilling to do BBBJ but with an Asian (Thai, viet, Chinese) it's automatic.

I wonder if it's cultural, either way I need to visit Medellin at least once.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2801411]...but with an Asian (Thai, viet, Chinese) it's automatic.....[/QUOTE]Think about hotter girls in gogo in BKK, it is not, that is the similar situation. It wasn't this difficult before so you can throw out the culture thing. You can still get it, just need more effort. It's completely opposite with the hottest girls f you go to Brazil.

Another week went by, another trip to Minorista. The waitress saw me and immediately telling others "look who is here", haha. It's strange like that they don't see many gringos. My load wasn't heavy so I decided to walk to ground zero, the street was dirty, the air was toxic. I counted less than 40 girls after I entered the barricade. Then I saw a family of 3 or 4 having a picnic on the lawn in Botero Plaza. It's a weird sight.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2801524]Another week went by, another trip to Minorista. The waitress saw me and immediately telling others "look who is here", haha. It's strange like that they don't see many gringos. My load wasn't heavy so I decided to walk to ground zero, the street was dirty, the air was toxic. I counted less than 40 girls after I entered the barricade. Then I saw a family of 3 or 4 having a picnic on the lawn in Botero Plaza. It's a weird sight.[/QUOTE]Been down there a few times. And it seems that the point of the barricaded area is to keep most of the sex workers out. And to keep them in the area designated for that which is Carrera 53 and access through Calle 51. So if you counted less than 40 inside the barrier it's not working that well. But walk down the streets outside the barrier and in the zona along Carrera 53 and down De Greiff and that is where they are very plentiful. Having said that I saw a number that appear to be less than legal age, and I would not want to be seen even looking at them as there are a lot of extortion rackets and also sting operations possible.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2801560]...And it seems that the point of the barricaded area is to keep most of the sex workers out.....[/QUOTE]I have always seen them near the short time hotels but don't see them further than that. It was noon so it's not the best time yet.

[QUOTE=Rocko20;2801411]......I've noticed that South American or Latin women are far more unwilling to do BBBJ but with an Asian (Thai, viet, Chinese) it's automatic......[/QUOTE]There is also much less prevalence of STDs in Latin America than in Asia, is there a connection?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2801560]Been down there a few times. And it seems that the point of the barricaded area is to keep most of the sex workers out. And to keep them in the area designated for that which is Carrera 53 and access through Calle 51. So if you counted less than 40 inside the barrier it's not working that well. But walk down the streets outside the barrier and in the zona along Carrera 53 and down De Greiff and that is where they are very plentiful. Having said that I saw a number that appear to be less than legal age, and I would not want to be seen even looking at them as there are a lot of extortion rackets and also sting operations possible.[/QUOTE]I am of the opinion that the barricades are not preventing the sex workers from entering, at least not the "skanky ones" that used to hang out in front of the Church by the phone booths, and along the passageway besides the Museum. There are still plenty of workers inside the barricaded area, but the barricades in my opinion are more so for keeping all of the "riff raff" out which includes anyone very young, the druggies, the beggars, the Hare Krishna, the indigenous, the vendors, the guys on bikes / motos, the boyfriends of all the workers milling about waiting for a cash handout.

I've witnessed the police at the barricades questioning younger males as to where and why they want to enter and then denying them entry. I've seen the police checking ID's of women entering and also randomly walking around inside the barricades checking Cedulas. I've also seen people searched and patted down, but for the most part most people are allowed thru because the "riff raff" know they will or may not be allowed in.

However, if the "riff raff" want to get in all they have to do is enter thru the ground floor of the buildings immediately adjacent to the Metro station. However, once they get inside the police roaming inside will probably stop them and escort them out. And the "riff raff" knows this, so hence the place has pretty much been cleaned up for the tourists, yet tourists entering by the glass parkway may have to navigate thru a ton of workers, and if they enter on the Museum side they might see a bunch of druggies nearby while entering.

What's really evident with the barricades is how many tourists there are now than before. From a tourism perspective the best case scenario would be no sex workers allowed anyone near the Botero area along with all the associated "riff raff" but I don't see this happening.

I think the barricades are here to stay and I don't mind them, but some do.

The barriers will remain at least until the election. If Quintero doesn't make it back in I will be surprised if the barrier is still in place three months after his departure. Meanwhile, it's good fun watching City Hall's whack a mole game of raids on nightclubs, drug spots, and discos. It reminds me of the 1990's Giuliani era in New York when he mounted a full on war against nightlife.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2801657]I am of the opinion that the barricades are not preventing the sex workers from entering, at least not the "skanky ones" that used to hang out in front of the Church by the phone booths, and along the passageway besides the Museum. There are still plenty of workers inside the barricaded area, but the barricades in my opinion are more so for keeping all of the "riff raff" out which includes anyone very young, the druggies, the beggars, the Hare Krishna, the indigenous, the vendors, the guys on bikes / motos, the boyfriends of all the workers milling about waiting for a cash handout.

I've witnessed the police at the barricades questioning younger males as to where and why they want to enter and then denying them entry. I've seen the police checking ID's of women entering and also randomly walking around inside the barricades checking Cedulas. I've also seen people searched and patted down, but for the most part most people are allowed thru because the "riff raff" know they will or may not be allowed in.

However, if the "riff raff" want to get in all they have to do is enter thru the ground floor of the buildings immediately adjacent to the Metro station. However, once they get inside the police roaming inside will probably stop them and escort them out. And the "riff raff" knows this, so hence the place has pretty much been cleaned up for the tourists, yet tourists entering by the glass parkway may have to navigate thru a ton of workers, and if they enter on the Museum side they might see a bunch of druggies nearby while entering.[/QUOTE]

I was back in Medellin for six days last week and thought I'd share some general observations about a few different things both chica and city related.

To start with the negative, the oddest experience I had this last trip was finding out I'd been catfished. Long story short I'd been chatting on and off with a person on Facebook: Paula Ortiz. They had consistently been sending me both normal photos and some racier photos and videos, complimenting and chatting with me. Now I always do image searches when someone sends me pictures, especially racier ones and nothing came up on the google image searches. This person never asked me for anything either. So that lowered my guard a little. Long story short when I told them I was in town this time they became evasive before finally admitting they were not who they seemed but actually a guy that had access to a friend's photos (this is why they didn't come up on google image search). The situation in my case seemed to be a gay guy who liked me vs. An extortionist or someone trying to set me up to get robbed. So I feel like I dodged a bullet given some of the stories I've heard, but I know that some nasty things have happened to others. So, if anything ever seems off, I. E. Someone you're talking to online doesn't want to talk via a video chat or are evasive about any details I'd suggest ditching that person immediately. This experience was a good reminder for me and should serve as a cautionary tale to you all to be more careful in the future.

In terms of positives, I spent a bunch more time with a chica I knew from the last trip (who'd gone to the swinger's club with me) who is a true submissive and down for anything. We went to one of the malls in Centro that has a whole row of sex shops and got some goodies including a vibrator, glass anal dildo, lube, and a whip (which wasn't even my idea). I found prices to be quite similar to the US for most sex toys. I do wonder if prices are a bit more competitive in these kiosk setups than the big chains like Sexo Sentido? Anyway, back at my apartment hijinks ensued with the glass dildo, myself, the vibrator and whip simultaneously. This girl also seems to love being face fucked deepthroat and squirts. She hasn't yet mastered anal but was trying to get me in and eager to learn. So in terms of sexual interests and openness to trying new things, she's a gem. There hasn't been a single thing I've mentioned she's said no to or has even seemed uninterested in trying.

But you get the feeling that rough sex is a pretty popular thing among women in Medellin. So far during all my trips to Medellin I've met at least four women who asked to be choked and others that want their hair pulled, spanked etc. This included an ex-webcam (number 3 I've gone out with) this trip. I'm also surprised by how many girls can deepthroat without a gag reflex, and wonder if its a skill taught at school. I'm fairly well-endowed and thick and that hasn't stopped too many. While I do enjoy being dominant during sex I try to be polite with any new woman I meet and start things off gently (which I also enjoy). So these observations come from different paisa women asking me to choke them and telling me their likes and dislikes or going for things themselves (like deepthroat or rimming) rather than me just going for it as some guys do. The last thing I'd want to do personally is to hurt, scare, or humiliate another person during sex or at any other point.

I went on some more dates this trip and want to share some more observations. I never offer to pay girls taxis anymore unless they ask me for help, in which case I do. A girl gives me a really good impression that she is serious and a good person if she pays her own taxis to see me. I'd never expect women in Medellin to buy big things unless they are well off, but I've been impressed in the past by women that have paid my metro fare or bought me a coffee. I also think taking care of a man in different ways is another way many women here show affection. I ended up cooking dinner for a couple of women this trip and one offered to clean up the kitchen unasked while the other didn't. I've also had women help me with my grooming, tidy up my apartment, or even put their earbuds in my ear so I can listen along to music with them. I'm always impressed by these sorts of signs of affection and take them as signs of more genuine interest and attraction.

I saw one of the more popular pros mentioned on here Dahiana see in order to mix things up one afternoon. She's very thin and decent looking, though with some heavy makeup. She has some interesting personal ticks, though, as she'd slip her hand up my shirt and play with my sleeve regularly. At first I thought this was a her way of physically flirting, but she later told me she has a major fidgeting habit and then proceeded to fold and unfold one of my bags and rearrange some open bags of chips on my counter. I had some good conversations with her about her life, kid, and other business selling clothes. Sex was decent (I gave her 250 k), but reinforced the fact that I prefer the nonpros or semipros. Dahiana did some DFK with me, though not super heavy and it was missing some of the sparks. She tried to deepthroat BBBJ and did an ok job of it (on her own initiative) but came up coughing a couple of times. She also had some discomfort due to my size, which turns me off a bit as I don't like hurting people. She didn't complain about anything and did her best to please me, even asking me if she'd done a good job after the fact. But sex is so much better when there is good chemistry (at least for me). You can certainly find that chemistry with pros as well, don't get me wrong.

Having just said that I do seem to enjoy more standard-issue sex with pros in casas or apartments (maybe it's the price or maybe its the setting). I saw another girl at Zandaly this trip, Estefania I think, 20 years old nice fake breasts and a tight body. I've yet to be disappointed by the quality of service at Zandaly's as this girl was happy to deepthroat and do great about bouncing on me when she was on top and going through a variety of positions. She was kind of in her own world but for 60 k for a half hour plus tip for BBBJ I was more than happy with things. I also saw Cristal as well on my first day and she gave great service as always. She even told me she came from anal and had me touch her to confirm she was sopping wet. It's been fun talking to her the times I've seen her as well as she's opened up about her own fetishes, likes, dislikes, and fantasies as well as some of her wilder experiences working. We talked about a threesome between her and my submissive amiga, but we couldn't quite get the timing to work. But I hope we can make it work next time.

In terms of fun things to do, I had a lot of fun going to the Minorista market with my submissive amiga. There are a lot of different exotic fruits to try, I had a couple. Most notably we downed a half glass of borojo juice each, which made everyone laugh as its got the reputation of being an aphrodesiac. The minorista also has a wide variety of products including hot peppers and south American peppers as well as tomatillos. I ended up buying the ingredients for a salsa verde which I made for my amiga with chips and we enjoyed together back in my apartment. I also visited a friend of mine's house one night in San Javier and had drinks with them. I enjoy this kind of things as its fun to see how people live. Walking up to the steep road to her house from the 20 de julio plaza was good exercise to say the least.

Finally, I went to el Tesoro this trip to check out an opthomolagist and see if I was a good candidate for LASIK. The office I went to was in a large tower that had seven floors exclusively devoted to opthomology. The offices and space were very modern and the doctor I saw came off as quite knowledgeable. The price is probably one-fifth of what it is in the US between 2 million and 4 million pesos. So, I'm planning on getting eye surgery when I come back in the summer. I've also split my teeth cleanings between Medellin and Mexico over the last couple of years as that comes out to $25 a cleaning and the dentists compliment me on how good shape my teeth are in vs. Nagging as is often the case in the US. I went to a dentist a Colombian friend of mine recommended in Aranjuez and was again impressed by the modern equipment and nice office. They offered me a three-part tooth-whitening course, which I may do at some point in the future for 1 million pesos.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2801998]Finally, I went to el Tesoro this trip to check out an opthomolagist and see if I was a good candidate for LASIK. The price is probably one-fifth of what it is in the US between 2 million and 4 million pesos. So, I'm planning on getting eye surgery when I come back in the summer.[/QUOTE]Great report. I got LASIK in the USA 22 years ago when the price was way cheaper; $499 per eye. My vision went to 20/10. Best $1000 I have ever spent. Still working great. I do use reading glasses sometimes now, but they tell you that you will still probably need them when you are older at the time of the surgery.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2801998]I was back in Medellin for six days last week and thought I'd share some general observations about a few different things both chica and city related.


In terms of positives, I spent a bunch more time with a chica I knew from the last trip (who'd gone to the swinger's club with me) who is a true submissive and down for anything. [/QUOTE]Ahhh not this is what I'm talking about!! First off. Great report! Very much appreciate the detail. I spent several years hitting swingers clubs in the US. I particularly like Scarlet's Ranch in Denver. Amazing place. I would definitely like to do swingers clubs here. I'm curious what they are like and if there are mostly locals or are there a lot of gringos as well? I expect that there are women on Tinder and FB that would be down for swingers clubs as long as the money is right. Any recommendations on which club or things I should know before taking on the swingers scene in Medellin? Thanks again for the awesome report!

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2802143]Ahhh not this is what I'm talking about!! First off. Great report! Very much appreciate the detail. I spent several years hitting swingers clubs in the US. I particularly like Scarlet's Ranch in Denver. Amazing place. I would definitely like to do swingers clubs here. I'm curious what they are like and if there are mostly locals or are there a lot of gringos as well? I expect that there are women on Tinder and FB that would be down for swingers clubs as long as the money is right. Any recommendations on which club or things I should know before taking on the swingers scene in Medellin? Thanks again for the awesome report![/QUOTE]I've only been to La Piscina in LOS Colores, which is supposed to be the biggest one. I know there are two or three others and may well eventually get to them. La Piscina has couples nights and gang bang nights for single guys (I. E. They bring in prepagos which you get to fuck for the price of entry). You will pay a cover with a consumables amount attached and that varies depending on the night. Wednesday's is the cheapest night and because of that, I think it's also the most active night. I've only done the couples nights and don't know if the gangbang night would be my thing. I was the only gringo there the first time I went and it was just me and a buddy of mine the second time. As far as girls, I've never paid a pro to go but go with women who were friends of mine in the semipro to nonpro categories. My buddy paid a pro both times he went and had mixed results, he also had a bunch of pros that said they'd go but flaked. I'm sure with the right amount of money you could convince most to go. But you will only really have fun if you are with an open-minded girl that enjoys being an exhibitionist and is curious about the environment. I've found, on the whole, that there are a lot of open-minded Colombian women as I've had other women I've met tell me they'd tried the swinger clubs before or would be interested to go. But I'd never even consider taking a woman to a club if she showed me as much as a second's hesitation or any doubt about going at all.

It would be nice if you can share her facebook link.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2800216]I just come back from Medellin after 2 weeks! And it was great! In fact I fucked only 2 girls! But I spent great time!

In fact I met the first girl on facebook, she's 23 and very sexy! She asked my 500 to spend all night with me in my hotel and to fuck without condom! This price was perfect for me. She came my hotel, we went first to a nice restaurant and the feeling was great! Then we come back my hotel, she started to dance, she loves to be sexy, and she touched my dick and started to make me a great blowjob! Then I fucked her in doggy on the bed and I was so horny, I came inside her pussy! She was very surprised! She decided to go take a shower quikly! And I relax on the bed, then she came back on the bed and smoke a cigaret. She was looking her whasapp and was answering to another customer that she couldn't meet him because she was already with me.

And just for fun, I took her phone and let a message on her customers by whasapp to say she was busy fucking with me right now LOL! And then we fucked again and she was smiling a lot!

And finally we had sex till 5 am in morning then we slept!

Finally I decided to stay with her again the next day. We went visit Medellin. And a again a great night of sex![/QUOTE]

Hey y'all.

I still haven't been to the infamous Loutron. I'd like to check this place out sometime this week. I am heading back home on Saturday so if anyone also wants to try out Loutron this week please let me know.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2802211]I've only been to La Piscina in LOS Colores, which is supposed to be the biggest one. I know there are two or three others and may well eventually get to them. La Piscina has couples nights and gang bang nights for single guys (I. E. They bring in prepagos which you get to fuck for the price of entry). You will pay a cover with a consumables amount attached and that varies depending on the night. Wednesday's is the cheapest night and because of that, I think it's also the most active night. I've only done the couples nights and don't know if the gangbang night would be my thing. I was the only gringo there the first time I went and it was just me and a buddy of mine the second time. As far as girls, I've never paid a pro to go but go with women who were friends of mine in the semipro to nonpro categories. My buddy paid a pro both times he went and had mixed results, he also had a bunch of pros that said they'd go but flaked. I'm sure with the right amount of money you could convince most to go. But you will only really have fun if you are with an open-minded girl that enjoys being an exhibitionist and is curious about the environment. I've found, on the whole, that there are a lot of open-minded Colombian women as I've had other women I've met tell me they'd tried the swinger clubs before or would be interested to go. But I'd never even consider taking a woman to a club if she showed me as much as a second's hesitation or any doubt about going at all.[/QUOTE]Thanks! What is the quality of the couples on couples night. I agree 100% with you that if a woman isn't into it, money will only maybe get them there and the results will be an extreme gamble. Much better to take the time to find a girl excited and curious about going. This is one area though where I would want to have a woman that is pretty damn hot as that is what will get the other guys bringing their women over. I may also consider asking one of the girls I'm seeing regularly if she would be into trying something like that.

Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?

The quality varies widely and ages range from young to middle age. There are certainly some attractive couples there. Neither of the women I went with nor other women I've talked about the clubs with were interested in swapping. I had a woman try to get with my girl and I the last time I went but she shot it down (which is her right). You don't see a load of condoms at the club (I toted them around with one girl and it was a pain being in a towel or naked), so a bunch of women I've talked to have said they worry about diseases. I do think swingers clubs are slightly less taboo in Colombia than in the US. I've never encountered any issues or shock talking about them, but I generally have never had issues talking about sex with Colombian women.

[QUOTE=TheProcess;2802330]Thanks! What is the quality of the couples on couples night. I agree 100% with you that if a woman isn't into it, money will only maybe get them there and the results will be an extreme gamble. Much better to take the time to find a girl excited and curious about going. This is one area though where I would want to have a woman that is pretty damn hot as that is what will get the other guys bringing their women over. I may also consider asking one of the girls I'm seeing regularly if she would be into trying something like that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2801998]

Finally, I went to el Tesoro this trip to check out an opthomolagist and see if I was a good candidate for LASIK. The office I went to was in a large tower that had seven floors exclusively devoted to opthomology. The offices and space were very modern and the doctor I saw came off as quite knowledgeable. The price is probably one-fifth of what it is in the US between 2 million and 4 million pesos. So, I'm planning on getting eye surgery when I come back in the summer. I've also split my teeth cleanings between Medellin and Mexico over the last couple of years as that comes out to $25 a cleaning and the dentists compliment me on how good shape my teeth are in vs. Nagging as is often the case in the US. I went to a dentist a Colombian friend of mine recommended in Aranjuez and was again impressed by the modern equipment and nice office. They offered me a three-part tooth-whitening course, which I may do at some point in the future for 1 million pesos.[/QUOTE]Personally I would be very cautious about getting my eye's worked on in Colombia. I know Lasik has been around a long time, but if there are some type of complications which of course can occur in the States, you might be better pressed having it done in the States, albeit it's going to be expensive. I say this because wherever your considering having this done might not have the latest equipment for measuring and performing the surgery. I'm not saying you can't get the procedure done here properly, but would be concerned, and would confirm the opthamalogy group has the latest equipment and training the same as in the States.

Just my two pesos.

[QUOTE=DamianGrady;2802379]Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?[/QUOTE]It's unclear from your post whether you mean bilingual working girls or just normal bilingual babes. If you mean "normal", then you might try some of the "Intercambio" nights at various bars and cafes around the city, where Paisas and foreigners go to both socialize and practice their English / Spanish, respectively.

Best bet: "Gringo Night", every Tuesday night at Vintrash Bar in Provenza--a happy hour type mob scene. Also Friday night, rooftop intercambio at Noah Boutique Hotel in Manila. Other intercambios are less oriented to social mingling than to serious language practice.It's best if you speak at least some rudimentary Spanish, but the Paisa's are there to improve / freshen-up their English and most are quite happy to just speak with you in the language of Shakespeare and Justin Bieber. I imagine that you might run into some semi-pros at Vintrash; far less likely at the other venues.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2802484]Personally I would be very cautious about getting my eye's worked on in Colombia. I know Lasik has been around a long time, but if there are some type of complications which of course can occur in the States, you might be better pressed having it done in the States, albeit it's going to be expensive. I say this because wherever your considering having this done might not have the latest equipment for measuring and performing the surgery. I'm not saying you can't get the procedure done here properly, but would be concerned, and would confirm the opthamalogy group has the latest equipment and training the same as in the States..[/QUOTE]Interestingly, you raise concerns about having the latest equipment. When looking at dental, it seems Medellin dentists have all the latest equipment. Can scan and build your teeth in like an hour, while most US dentists still pour goo down their customers mouth to make molds and need two weeks to have a lab make the teeth. The technological differences are outstanding. Based on that, I would not be surprised if Medellin eye doctors have all the latest automated computerized measuring and surgical equipment. Vs your local LASIK place that uses 20 year old equipment and measures your eye prescription with little flip glass discs. Of course, buyer beware, but I would not automatically assume that because it is a south American country that they do not have the latest equipment, techniques, and procedures.

[QUOTE=DamianGrady;2802379]Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?[/QUOTE]If you are looking for places to hook up with girls, to put it simply, there are none where English would be common. There are individual girls with good English but you only know that when you talk to them.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2800848]It looks like that's just a front end that links to the chicacheck data. I submitted a support request asking if they were ever going to bring the ability to read comments associated with "Compliments" back, but they closed it out without giving an answer. The site is going to end up being a money grab I'm sure.[/QUOTE]Probably right. While I wouldn't pay if they started charging, I'm sure newbies may find value there.

[QUOTE=DamianGrady;2802379]Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?[/QUOTE]Pretty rare to find english speaking chicas in Medellin especially the chicas that do tricks. If that's what you're looking to find I'd recommend Jaco, CR or Panama City. In both places I've run into Colombian chicas that speak decent english. I guess they go to those places to earn a premium with their language ability.

[QUOTE=DamianGrady;2802379]Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?[/QUOTE]Why do they need "exceptional English" just to fuck or hang out with? Won't so-so English work for that?

[QUOTE=DamianGrady;2802379]Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?[/QUOTE]The best place would be on Seeking. Lot's of college girls on there who speak real good English. It's helpful I know what you mean.

[QUOTE=DamianGrady;2802379]Can anyone recommend someone with really good English or places to meet girls with exceptional English?[/QUOTE]Toronto, London, Melbourne, a few places in the US.

Anyone know of pharmacies in the laureles area where I can purchase needles? I also need insulin needles, I am on TRT and think it would be easier to purchase there opposed to bringing them / getting them on multiple planes through multiple carriers. I also supplement with hcg along with my test so would need insulin pins as well. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. Willing to travel to poblado, centro etc.

Long time mongering in Asian countries, first time to Colombia. I am from Chicagoland. I've been reading old threads to get myself prepared a bit.

1) Any recommendations on short time love motels? Or any websites I can find such?

2) What are famous "clubs" why "disco" in El Poblado / Laureles? Sort of Panda Club / Hollywood / Pier vibe in Pattaya, Thailand. Where you can find independent providers and some local chicas.

3) Using public transportation, is that a big NO-GO?

4) For fellow mongers who don't speak Spanish, is it very difficult to get in touch with chicas?

5) is "long time" somewhat rare in Colombian monger scenes?

Appreciate all in advance.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2802923]Long time mongering in Asian countries, first time to Colombia. I am from Chicagoland. I've been reading old threads to get myself prepared a bit.

1) Any recommendations on short time love motels? Or any websites I can find such?

2) What are famous "clubs" why "disco" in El Poblado / Laureles? Sort of Panda Club / Hollywood / Pier vibe in Pattaya, Thailand. Where you can find independent providers and some local chicas.

3) Using public transportation, is that a big NO-GO?

4) For fellow mongers who don't speak Spanish, is it very difficult to get in touch with chicas?

5) is "long time" somewhat rare in Colombian monger scenes?

Appreciate all in advance.[/QUOTE]I'm from the Chicago area too. Welcome to Medellinland. Here's my $. 02.

1. Depends on where you are. Ibiza Motor Lounge in Itagui or Laureles are very nice. Plenty of love motels in Centro.

2. You're not going to find a go-go like Panda. Discos near Parque Lleras (Guato's, Park Lleras) are similar to Insomnia or Republic in Pattaya. But expect to pay gringo prices there $200 US. These are well above market rates. I will say there are some stunners in each.

3. Public transport is fine. But Uber is really cheap. I've never found the need to take the Metro.

4. It's not difficult to get in touch with chicas. But you will have a much better time with some Spanish. 98% don't speak English.

5. Medellin is not Pattaya. Toda la noche (TLN) depends on the chica. A lot of them have kids and need to get home at some point. It's not like Pattaya where you go to a club or go-go and pick up a chick and long-time or short-time are understood. Depends on the chica and if she's having a good time.

Prior to covid, I mongered almost exclusively in Thailand and the Philippines. I started looking for a country that was closer and less restrictive as to covid. First, it was GDL in Mexico and now it has been Medellin. After three trips in seven months, I am getting ready for another trip to Medellin. It is that good. I have been impressed. Young attractive women, GFE sessions, reasonable prices, and mostly bareback. There is the danger factor that one must take into consideration but as long as you are cautious, you should be fine. I have focused solely on Facebook girls and I have been happy with the results. There seems to be a large number of young women in the 18-20 year old range that are eager to make some money with older gringos. If you put that time and effort into Facebook, you will get results. But it requires more than just sending private messages to guys asking them for their favorite FB girls.

I do not like to play games so I will bring up the topic of money prior to meeting with girls who chat with me and don't mention money which is most of them. On my first trip, I did meet up with a girl and after the sex, she asked me for money and we never talked about it prior to meeting. Well, we had a difference of opinion on how much money I should pay her and it ended up with both of us being unhappy. That is why I now want a firm agreement on how much the girl expects even if she is not bringing up the topic of money. Sometimes I am concerned that I might offend a girl but so far no one has been offended. Some have only been offended by the amount of my offer. Ja ja ja.

I will just ask her about her expectations when we meet and then usually she will say how much will you give me and then we try to strike a deal. I usually ask for bareback during this time and sometimes the girl will agree and sometimes she will not. Some girls will give me a lot of shit about the bareback request and that is understandable. If you don't ask, you will probably not get it. It is a factor for me but not a deal breaker.

I recognize that there is a segment of mongers who prefer the streetwalkers and casa girls in El Centro for a much lower price. All the power to them. To each their own. I would say that visiting a girl in a casa is probably very safe and you do not have to worry about being drugged in a casa. I may try to visit a casa just to see if I may like it but so far I really love the GFE sessions in my own room.

So far I have not been drugged or robbed but I will not be complacent. I will continue to be on guard for anything suspicious. That is the bad part of Colombia. I don't have be so paranoid when I am in Asia. But it is worth the risk to me.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2802923]Long time mongering in Asian countries, first time to Colombia. I am from Chicagoland. I've been reading old threads to get myself prepared a bit.

1) Any recommendations on short time love motels? Or any websites I can find such?

2) What are famous "clubs" why "disco" in El Poblado / Laureles? Sort of Panda Club / Hollywood / Pier vibe in Pattaya, Thailand. Where you can find independent providers and some local chicas.

3) Using public transportation, is that a big NO-GO?

4) For fellow mongers who don't speak Spanish, is it very difficult to get in touch with chicas?

5) is "long time" somewhat rare in Colombian monger scenes?

Appreciate all in advance.[/QUOTE]I have only been to Medellin 2 times. I always took an Uber so I didn't get lost. If you can't speak Spanish don't get into a Yellow Cab they don't speak English at all of course.

It didn't occur to me until I got there that there are several people who are not old enough to be working out and about in Parque Lleras.

Haven't been online for 3-4 weeks. Was thiinking the site was down. I tried different browsers, various resets. Eventually I activtaed VPN and am in again. I see various locals still writing here so I guess it must be the hotel where I am staying that has blocked this site. Maybe they found some damning fotos of their rooms posted abundantly over the past year or so.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2802910]Anyone know of pharmacies in the laureles area where I can purchase needles? I also need insulin needles, I am on TRT and think it would be easier to purchase there opposed to bringing them / getting them on multiple planes through multiple carriers. I also supplement with hcg along with my test so would need insulin pins as well. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. Willing to travel to poblado, centro etc.[/QUOTE]On La 70 across from hotel Mediterano (spelling?) they will even set up the syringe and inject you. Just give them your bottle and dosage. They do a good job with injections. Cost was minimal.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2803045]... Eventually I activtaed VPN and am in again. I see various locals still writing here ....[/QUOTE]Yea, we missed you! Hehe.

Something going on around El Poblado this afternoon and the metro seemed to have stopped running. The traffic basically came to a stop. I went to have my monthly haircut and I think it took the Uber more than one hour to leave El Pboblado.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2803147]Yea, we missed you! Hehe.

Something going on around El Poblado this afternoon and the metro seemed to have stopped running. The traffic basically came to a stop. I went to have my monthly haircut and I think it took the Uber more than one hour to leave El Pboblado.[/QUOTE]I was coming back from Armenia and I walked from EOH to poblado station and when I got there this is what it looked like.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2803147]Yea, we missed you! Hehe.

Something going on around El Poblado this afternoon and the metro seemed to have stopped running. The traffic basically came to a stop. I went to have my monthly haircut and I think it took the Uber more than one hour to leave El Pboblado.[/QUOTE]I walked from EOH to poblado station and when I got there this is what it looked like.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2803147]Yea, we missed you! Hehe.

Something going on around El Poblado this afternoon and the metro seemed to have stopped running. The traffic basically came to a stop. I went to have my monthly haircut and I think it took the Uber more than one hour to leave El Pboblado.[/QUOTE]There was some sort of demonstration / protest next to the metro line near the Poblado station, and the metro was shut down for a few hours. When I walked down to take the metro the pedestrian overpass was filled with people looking at the action just to the south, including tear gas being fired, etc. I had planned on going the other direction, but there was no indication when it might start up, and the video sign said it was closed because of an extreme public emergency.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2802923]Long time mongering in Asian countries, first time to Colombia. I am from Chicagoland. I've been reading old threads to get myself prepared a bit.

1) Any recommendations on short time love motels? Or any websites I can find such?

2) What are famous "clubs" why "disco" in El Poblado / Laureles? Sort of Panda Club / Hollywood / Pier vibe in Pattaya, Thailand. Where you can find independent providers and some local chicas.

3) Using public transportation, is that a big NO-GO?

4) For fellow mongers who don't speak Spanish, is it very difficult to get in touch with chicas?

5) is "long time" somewhat rare in Colombian monger scenes?

Appreciate all in advance.[/QUOTE]1. Never used a short term love motel or hotel, but I've seen lots of posts here about them in the past.

2. There are no similar clubs or discos really. Gusto is the exception, much discussed here, but a place that is not worth going to in my opinion. It would be impossible for me to meet someone there because it is simply too loud for any conversation in any language that I speak. And probably 5 times the price that the same chica would quote you if you met her on the way in a block away.

3. I always use public transportation, especially the metro. But if you were only here for a short time it would be optional.

4. You can get in touch with chicas on the street, in the casas (brothels), on social media, etc. With English because they and you can use translate. Face to face you need to run things through a translator or be able to speak Spanish.

5. The only phrase similar might be "toda la noche" meaning all night. It is not easily available as all of these girls (or 90%) have families or jobs or other things to go home to. With sufficient money they can arrange babysitters, etc. But not easily done.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2803147]Something going on around El Poblado this afternoon and the metro seemed to have stopped running. The traffic basically came to a stop. I went to have my monthly haircut and I think it took the Uber more than one hour to leave El Pboblado.[/QUOTE]It was a mess, but the Metro was not completely shutdown. I was in Bellen and took the bus to the Industriales station around 2 PM and the police were not allowing any passengers into the Station, but there where trains running southbound with passengers getting off at the Station. As I had a date in Centro at 3 PM I took a cab to Centro and after my date I walked over to the Parque Berrio Station and the Metro was running but only northbound. Since I was headed back to Poblado, instead of taking a cab I took a bus back.

In the past when the Metro is shutdown in both directions, especially at rush hour, and when it's raining, it's a total shit show everywhere. No cabs available, long lines to catch a public bus, and not a good time to be travelling around town.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2803175]I walked from EOH to poblado station and when I got there this is what it looked like.[/QUOTE]It can get even worse than your photographs show. Actually, your photographs depict how it is daily between 5 and 6 PM in the afternoon every day when the Metro is running "normally".

I've seen lines that go down the stairs to the flat area with all the food kiosks, and then onto Avenida Las Vegas and down 500 meters. There basically is a mass exodus of workers from Poblado and a lot of times when I have arrived at the Poblado station at rush hour, and it's raining, it's difficult to get across the bridge your photos depict because it's so narrow. And when everyone has their umbrellas out you have to be careful to not get your eye's poked out.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2803190]1. Never used a short term love motel or hotel, but I've seen lots of posts here about them in the past.

2. There are no similar clubs or discos really. Gusto is the exception, much discussed here, but a place that is not worth going to in my opinion. It would be impossible for me to meet someone there because it is simply too loud for any conversation in any language that I speak. And probably 5 times the price that the same chica would quote you if you met her on the way in a block away.

3. I always use public transportation, especially the metro. But if you were only here for a short time it would be optional.

4. You can get in touch with chicas on the street, in the casas (brothels), on social media, etc. With English because they and you can use translate. Face to face you need to run things through a translator or be able to speak Spanish.

5. The only phrase similar might be "toda la noche" meaning all night. It is not easily available as all of these girls (or 90%) have families or jobs or other things to go home to. With sufficient money they can arrange babysitters, etc. But not easily done.[/QUOTE]Shit I've had toda la semana LOL and taken chicks to guatapé, santa marta, melgar, all over Colombia. And I pay por polvo never by the time.

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Flight from mia to barranquilla.

I live in Santa Marta but when I fly and was thinking of flying from mia to Barranquilla instead of Mde to Smr anyone have experience with that flight.

I posted this in Barranquilla but no response.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2802923]Long time mongering in Asian countries, first time to Colombia. I am from Chicagoland. I've been reading old threads to get myself prepared a bit.

1) Any recommendations on short time love motels? Or any websites I can find such?

[/QUOTE]There is "Hotel D" in Laureles, about a mile from the Estadio metro station. First rate, clean, and modern. Don't have an address or a website, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2802923]Long time mongering in Asian countries, first time to Colombia. I am from Chicagoland. I've been reading old threads to get myself prepared a bit.

1) Any recommendations on short time love motels? Or any websites I can find such?

2) What are famous "clubs" why "disco" in El Poblado / Laureles? Sort of Panda Club / Hollywood / Pier vibe in Pattaya, Thailand. Where you can find independent providers and some local chicas.

3) Using public transportation, is that a big NO-GO?

4) For fellow mongers who don't speak Spanish, is it very difficult to get in touch with chicas?

5) is "long time" somewhat rare in Colombian monger scenes?

Appreciate all in advance.[/QUOTE]First off, be ready for a bit of disappointment. I love Colombia, but from a punting perspective its low on the list in terms of service and value. Really. Sure, you can pick up a girl for $8 in Santa Fe, Bogota. But, what you will get might be worth $8.

I had visited Berlin (awesome) and Thailand (awesome) before hitting Medellin, back in 2016. Boy, was I disappointed in the service. Covered BJ is standard and most girls in the "casas" (brothels) won't kiss. The women are very attractive to be sure. Colombianas are the best looking latinas overall, in my experience, next to the women of Argentina, who are really something else, but incredibly bitchy and my punting experiences in Buenos Aires was the worst. But, that's another story.

That said, the best way to go is with prepagos (freelance escorts) though you would have some trouble contacting them without a modicum of basic Spanish. When I first arrived in Medellin, I knew no Spanish and managed to get laid okay, but now that I got some basic Spanish I go to this site: [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin[/URL].

Most prepagos will actually come to your residence or hotel. I'm not sure why you need a love hotel at this point, but you can always ask the girls for a referral to a place they will service you at. Some might have preferences or restrictions on how far they will travel. Medellin sprawls along a valley and transport is subject to traffic when significant distances are involved.

As for public transport, I have used it and its safe as far as I am concerned. The only problem is that the metro trains get very crowded during rush hour. As mentioned before, Uber is very cheap. So are taxis. But, I have noticed many official taxis are in poor condition, whereas Uber vehicles tend to be up to a certain standard.

Can't advise you on clubs, as I am too old for that shit. But, for independents, got to photoprepagos at the link above. One thing that is common for prepagos is to work residences (yes they will come to your apartment / AirBnb), and your hotel. But, often they rent out a room in an apartment to work out of on certain days, at certain times. Every prepago I have hooked up with Medellin works like that. They mark off time to travel to their client, but also have a room reserved in an apartment at other times (sharing the space with other girls, which makes it an interesting experience).

Long time? That is where Thailand is a huge bargain, as far as I'm concerned. I've practiced this hobby in about a dozen countries and Thailand is special in that respect. Elsewhere, time is money with the girls and you will need to pay up big for an all nighter. I never tried it in Colombia, as I usually have the urge to get a cup of coffee, or a drink after I am finished with the girl and I contemplate who I want to do next.

Also, let me be clear here Medellin has been hyped up a bit and it is full of tourists now (not a good thing). Its quite different from what it was when I went there for the first time, 7 years ago next week. Medellin is just one of many cities in Colombia. I've done Bogota a few times (don't like it) and I've done Cali (I like it a lot). I visited Manizales too (awesome) but didn't have time to punt there. I found the level of service much better in Cali than the rest, and the people are very friendly there. My point being, Medellin is not your only good option in Colombia, nor is Colombia your only option in South America. But if you do head to Medellin, just PM and I will refer you to an awesome prepago in Laureles, who speaks a bit of English, and provides service on a Brazilian level (the highest, though at Brazilian prices). I like her so much, I might go back to Medellin just to see her. If you want to try a good, economical brothel, I recommend Zandalay at Cra 47 #57 a-34, La Candelaria. 85 k per hour. Not a big brothel, actually old and in need of renovation with maybe 6 girls, but the service is good and the old guy who runs the place is way cool. The famous "New Life" is way overrated in my experience, but it's a good place to experience the mediocrity of Colombian brothels. Finally, don't believe this hype about "centro" being a good scene. There is a section of Centro that is full of nasty "things" on the street, that can't work in a respectable establishment or as an independent. Apparently, someone posted some videos on youtube depicting it as monger heaven and some rubes actually believe it is! Otherwise, I do recommend Centro as a play to just hang out and go shopping before it gets dark and goes to hell.

[QUOTE=Bdd1124;2803347]Flight from mia to barranquilla.

I live in Santa Marta but when I fly and was thinking of flying from mia to Barranquilla instead of Mde to Smr anyone have experience with that flight.

I posted this in Barranquilla but no response.[/QUOTE]I take the Spirit flight from Fort Lauderdale to Barranquilla all the time. I used to take Avianca from Miami to Barranquilla when they had one as well. But I do not understand what you would like to know as for experience. Just like any other flight. Get in and sit down.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2803382] Boy, was I disappointed in the service. Covered BJ is standard and most girls in the "casas" (brothels) won't kiss. The women are very attractive to be sure. Colombianas are the best looking latinas overall, in my experience, next to the women of Argentina, who are really something else, but incredibly bitchy and my punting experiences in Buenos Aires was the worst. But, that's another story. [/QUOTE]This is not universal. YMMV is the name of the game. Over half the casa girls I've been with kissed (maybe not as passionately as a semipro or nonpro). I don't think I've ever been with one who didn't give me BBBJ for a little extra. I even got anal from the first casa girl I ever tried before the pandemic (of course for an extra).

The fact I speak Spanish probably at least partially explains why I fared better than you did. Learning or improving your Spanish elevates Colombia to another level. I come back because the quality of women I can get for free in Medellin exceeds a lot of working girls and normal chick's I've met in other parts of Latin America and a lot of my paid experiences have been pretty decent as well. I also love how open minded and positive most Paisas are about sex.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2802669]Pretty rare to find english speaking chicas in Medellin especially the chicas that do tricks. If that's what you're looking to find I'd recommend Jaco, CR or Panama City. In both places I've run into Colombian chicas that speak decent english. I guess they go to those places to earn a premium with their language ability.[/QUOTE]Lucky your Mailbox is full and I cannot send you a message.

I was in the Plaza today for the first time in nearly a week. I immediately noticed the area inside the barrier continues to get back to how it was pre-barrier. Most of the girls are back along with some of their deadbeat boyfriends. I even saw a couple of guys go flying through the crowd on bicycles. Just like old times. I snapped the photo from the metro as I was leaving. Two workmen who are out of the frame were reinforcing the barrier with metal strapping. A week or so ago I was near the church when one of the barriers went crashing to the ground because the bits connecting them to each other were starting to wear out. Policeman hurried over to stand it up again. Meanwhile, the entrances are pretty much wide open with a couple of police at each of them who are much less attentive than when the checkpoints were first established. I snapped the photo because I was surprised to see a vendor cart inside the barrier for the first time since it was put up.

I'm in Medellin for a bit after being away for 10 years, if anyone wants to hang out let me know.

Question: how are you finding girls on Facebook or Instagram?

Do you do a particular search? A particular hashtag or phrase?

Do you friend them or just DM? What are you writing to them in the initial messages?

2nd question.

I was in Parque Lleras and saw a few cuties I would be interested in. But I don't like picking up Street girls and going to love hotels.

I'd rather get their number and arrange to meet them later. Is anyone doing this, approaching girls that are working on the street, getting their numbers and arranging to meet later?

I'd even take them for food or a drink to vet them properly before bringing them back to my Airbnb. This way I get to see their attitude and personality first and can bail if I don't like what I'm seeing.

Let me know, thanks.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2803703]I'd rather get their number and arrange to meet them later. Is anyone doing this, approaching girls that are working on the street, getting their numbers and arranging to meet later?

I'd even take them for food or a drink to vet them properly before bringing them back to my Airbnb. This way I get to see their attitude and personality first and can bail if I don't like what I'm seeing.[/QUOTE]Seems like a big investment in money and time for a street hooker that you are going to fuck on for half an hour. Should be more like ordering a pizza than investing in real estate. Why not just go to a casa?

There must be a reason I never read on this forum about a guy so called vetting a chick beforehand then he calls it off. All the reports I see mention there were no signs of things going to go bad or that she was going to drug and rob me. I do not think this vetting process that some guys say they do does anything except waste time. The vetting tells you nothing about how good she will suck your dick for the next 30 minutes and most people are smart enough to avoid giving off bad vibes in the beginning.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2803703] ... Question: how are you finding girls on Facebook or Instagram?
....[/QUOTE]Look at posts here.

[QUOTE=Facebook;2610518]Facebook for newbies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2803703] ...
2nd question..., getting their numbers and arranging to meet later?

I'd even take them for food or a drink to vet them properly before bringing them back to my Airbnb...[/QUOTE]You can get the numbers but I will be careful drinking with them nowadays.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2803703]....2nd question.I was in Parque Lleras and saw a few cuties I would be interested in. But I don't like picking up Street girls and going to love hotels.
I'd rather get their number and arrange to meet them later. Is anyone doing this, approaching girls that are working on the street, getting their numbers and arranging to meet later?.....[/QUOTE]Over the last few years, I've had good luck in finding a rare gem among the street walkers who gravitate around Parque Lleras (and more recently, on Calle 10, where most of the action has shifted) --including a couple of chicas who proved to be long-term keepers. Usually I've been in Poblado for other business followed by a quick swing by the Parque area just for the window-shopping titillation. On occasion, on spotting a real looker with a good sexual vibe, I would collect a WhatsApp contact for possible follow-up come another day--like you, having no interest in a love motel quickie.

Most always the lady is happy either to just exchange contact info on the spot or to join you for a drink and the opportunity to vet her face-to-face. It's best to have identified a relatively quiet (Reggaeton free) nearby cafe in advance. Back when most of the SWs congregated on the corner of Parque Lleras near Gustos, I would sometimes have the chica of choice join me on a bench inside the park for a more leisurely and private chat/vetting.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2803703]I'm in Medellin for a bit after being away for 10 years, if anyone wants to hang out let me know.

Question: how are you finding girls on Facebook or Instagram?

Do you do a particular search? A particular hashtag or phrase?

Do you friend them or just DM? What are you writing to them in the initial messages?

2nd question.

I was in Parque Lleras and saw a few cuties I would be interested in. But I don't like picking up Street girls and going to love hotels.

I'd rather get their number and arrange to meet them later. Is anyone doing this, approaching girls that are working on the street, getting their numbers and arranging to meet later?.[/QUOTE]Finding girls on Facebook takes a little time and effort. First, you need to be a little familiar with Facebook and how it works. Then you need to find a few girls that are actually in Medellin. There are two easy ways to get started. You need to start with one or two known girls in Medellin. If you go through the threads, a few names are mentioned. If you read trip reports on other mongering websites for Southeast Asia, you can pick up a few more names. If you go to the FB profile of known nightclubs and bars in Medellin, you can see the names of a number of girls in Medellin. Make friend requests of those girls and then start looking through the names of their friends if visible or who is commenting on their posts. Once you have a single name of a young attractive girl in Medellin, you can build on that and your friends list starts to grow.

But to do it right, it takes some time. It is not something you can do in a few hours and there is no one place on Facebook where there is a list of girls open to pay for play.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2803678]I was in the Plaza today for the first time in nearly a week. I immediately noticed the area inside the barrier continues to get back to how it was pre-barrier. Most of the girls are back along with some of their deadbeat boyfriends. I even saw a couple of guys go flying through the crowd on bicycles. Just like old times. I snapped the photo from the metro as I was leaving. Two workmen who are out of the frame were reinforcing the barrier with metal strapping. A week or so ago I was near the church when one of the barriers went crashing to the ground because the bits connecting them to each other were starting to wear out. Policeman hurried over to stand it up again. Meanwhile, the entrances are pretty much wide open with a couple of police at each of them who are much less attentive than when the checkpoints were first established. I snapped the photo because I was surprised to see a vendor cart inside the barrier for the first time since it was put up.[/QUOTE]I am going to guess that because of all the past heavy duty police presence, there have been very few disturbances and that the Police have reduced their forces. I'm kind of divided whether I liked it more pre-barricades when it was more of a "circus / carnival scene" versus a " tourism restricted area". OR maybe something in the middle as you have described. Regardless it's kind of like a moving target how things change, no different than how Parque Lleras was pre-pandemic, versus the shifting of a lot of the workers on to Calle 10 since the Pandemic.

One thing for sure is that there is no consistency at these two SW areas, but it makes you wonder how things would be today in Centro if there had not been a Pandemic. In fact, if there had been no Pandemic there would be a lot less foreign mongers in Colombia. And with Thailand basically back to pre-Covid times, and other Asian countries, I see less mongers here starting later this year, especially from about December this year into March next year.

However, since a lot of mongers, specifically all the SEA guy's who have come and sampled what Colombia has to offer, many won't be going back to SEA.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2803714]Seems like a big investment in money and time for a street hooker that you are going to fuck on for half an hour. Should be more like ordering a pizza than investing in real estate. Why not just go to a casa?

There must be a reason I never read on this forum about a guy so called vetting a chick beforehand then he calls it off. All the reports I see mention there were no signs of things going to go bad or that she was going to drug and rob me. I do not think this vetting process that some guys say they do does anything except waste time. The vetting tells you nothing about how good she will suck your dick for the next 30 minutes and most people are smart enough to avoid giving off bad vibes in the beginning.[/QUOTE]Come on Mr. E, you know everybody rolls different.

For some guys it's kind of like a hunt.

The sex being good is on the top of the list, however some guys, if they've vetted the Chica beforehand, and it turns out well when they are together, do get gratification from this, or they wouldn't be wasting their time and money.

Remember, mongering is kind of a fantasy, or can be for some.

[QUOTE=CherchezFemme;2803703]I'm in Medellin for a bit after being away for 10 years, if anyone wants to hang out let me know.

Question: how are you finding girls on Facebook or Instagram?

Do you do a particular search? A particular hashtag or phrase?

Do you friend them or just DM? What are you writing to them in the initial messages?

2nd question.

I was in Parque Lleras and saw a few cuties I would be interested in. But I don't like picking up Street girls and going to love hotels.

I'd rather get their number and arrange to meet them later. Is anyone doing this, approaching girls that are working on the street, getting their numbers and arranging to meet later?

I'd even take them for food or a drink to vet them properly before bringing them back to my Airbnb. This way I get to see their attitude and personality first and can bail if I don't like what I'm seeing.

Let me know, thanks.[/QUOTE]There are two websites you can use:

1) ChicaChat. Co. Browse Facebook / IG women and get their social media profile details.

2) ChicaCheck. Co. Review member feedback about a particular woman.

Great options for getting back into the game.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2803678]...because I was surprised to see a vendor cart inside the barrier for the first time since it was put up.[/QUOTE]I have seen vendors inside for at least a week. Most I think are licensed and wear a vest to indicate so. This has been going on for a long time for street food vendors. Most of them wear an official vest. I did notice the few vendors between the Casino and Zona Rosa didn't wear vest so I don't know what is going on there.

As for bicycle, there are quite a few, most walk their bike into the plaza then starting riding once inside.

It seems the VIVE energy put a stop to the large vendors with cart that carry large amount of the product and sold it at more than 50% discount of what supermarket like Exito and small vendor sell. Haven't seen one around for quite a while.

Hello all,

It's been awhile since I've visited Medellin. Is the hotel in front of Licoexpress one that I can pay by the hour and allows for girls? Are there any other motels near Parque Lleras?

With the new barriers in place, how much has Parque LLeras slowed down? Are the working girls still in the area?

The cart vendors and their loudspeakers were the worst of the Plaza for me, good riddance. It's nice to have more of the girls inside the barrier. There was still more congestion than previously along the side and behind the church as of yesterday. Does anyone know if Lleras has a barrier? I think I remember it was supposed to be set up on March 31.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2803862]I have seen vendors inside for at least a week. Most I think are licensed and wear a vest to indicate so. This has been going on for a long time for street food vendors. Most of them wear an official vest. I did notice the few vendors between the Casino and Zona Rosa didn't wear vest so I don't know what is going on there.

As for bicycle, there are quite a few, most walk their bike into the plaza then starting riding once inside.

It seems the VIVE energy put a stop to the large vendors with cart that carry large amount of the product and sold it at more than 50% discount of what supermarket like Exito and small vendor sell. Haven't seen one around for quite a while.[/QUOTE]

Hey all, so we are going to Medellin end of the month. It's 8 of us for a Bach party. We will be staying 4 nights at Pablo Escobar condo penthouse which we booked via Airbnb and comes with security and chef.

I will get down to the point, we are looking to have fun and have girls over to party with. Where's the best place to get safe and the hottest girls. We have no issue paying but just want to ensure a good time.

After 4 nights, we go to Cartagena for 2 nights, so the same thing, where is the safe and hottest girls to get from? Thanks a bunch.

[QUOTE=Subwayfootlong;2803952]Hello all,

It's been awhile since I've visited Medellin. Is the hotel in front of Licoexpress one that I can pay by the hour and allows for girls? Are there any other motels near Parque Lleras?

With the new barriers in place, how much has Parque LLeras slowed down? Are the working girls still in the area?[/QUOTE]No barriers for Parque Lleras as of yet. Perhaps it relates to construction on a couple of the streets within the Parque Lleras area. The middle street is still torn up (portion of 37 a within the park area) and word is that the top street remains to be redone (carrera 37). Looks like they are redoing sewer mains on those. Not sure if the construction is related to the plan to make everything within that area pedestrian only, but if so then the construction will be continuing for some time. The little park itself is now completely done, they were pruning trees the other day and almost all the concrete work, walkways, etc. Are done. Say 95% plus.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804000]I will get down to the point, we are looking to have fun and have girls over to party with. Where's the best place to get safe and the hottest girls. We have no issue paying but just want to ensure a good time.

After 4 nights, we go to Cartagena for 2 nights, so the same thing, where is the safe and hottest girls to get from?[/QUOTE]Seek and ye shall find. Fun, girls, money, where to find, how to spend. Million answers on this forum. Choose your fave and enjoy urselves.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804000]Hey all, so we are going to Medellin end of the month. It's 8 of us for a Bach party. We will be staying 4 nights at Pablo Escobar condo penthouse which we booked via Airbnb and comes with security and chef.

I will get down to the point, we are looking to have fun and have girls over to party with. Where's the best place to get safe and the hottest girls. We have no issue paying but just want to ensure a good time.

After 4 nights, we go to Cartagena for 2 nights, so the same thing, where is the safe and hottest girls to get from? Thanks a bunch.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but I fell for that one before. A bunch of guys, bachelor party, money no object, looking for best girls for a party. I connected them with a girl I know. She can handle everything, bartender, DJ, girls, putting on shows, everything needed to make it perfect.

They worked out a deal, then every other day the guy wanted to change the deal. She jumped through every hoop, spent a bit of her own money, got girls to cancel plans to be at the party and 2 days before he canceled everything.

Too many guys with grand plans who have no regard for wasting other's time and money. If you get a paid account so you can send PMs, I'll give you her number, but she'll insist on a cash deposit to set up a party.

Thanks for all the feedbacks for previous post.

Much much appreciated.

I get some concept on how I would monger this week and next week.

I've seen some posts mentioning Calle 10 and Parque Llelas for SW.

Where actually do I need to go to find those places? I mean, via uber or something. Tell to driver Vamoes Calle 10 Paqrue / Parque Llejas? Any tips on crowded times /"safer" time, what to avoid and things like that will be much appreciated in advance.

I wish I can send some PM but by the time my paid account gets enabled I am afraid I may be heading back home already as I would stay for 10 days only.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2804101]Seek and ye shall find. Fun, girls, money, where to find, how to spend. Million answers on this forum. Choose your fave and enjoy urselves.[/QUOTE]What should I search for? This site isn't like a traditional forum with various posts. It seem each "city" is a post and the thread contains all the info?? Is that it?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2804124]Sorry, but I fell for that one before. A bunch of guys, bachelor party, money no object, looking for best girls for a party. I connected them with a girl I know. She can handle everything, bartender, DJ, girls, putting on shows, everything needed to make it perfect.

They worked out a deal, then every other day the guy wanted to change the deal. She jumped through every hoop, spent a bit of her own money, got girls to cancel plans to be at the party and 2 days before he canceled everything.

Too many guys with grand plans who have no regard for wasting other's time and money. If you get a paid account so you can send PMs, I'll give you her number, but she'll insist on a cash deposit to set up a party.[/QUOTE]Na, we don't have time for playing games. We are looking to have fun and won't be changing plans. Whatever we talk about is what's agreed on. I'm just wanting to make sure we have a safe trip and a fun trip without getting drugged and whatnot. Obviously it won't happen as we are cautious and a large group and we have security, but really just want to find the best girls possible.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2804160]Thanks for all the feedbacks for previous post.

Much much appreciated.

I get some concept on how I would monger this week and next week.

I've seen some posts mentioning Calle 10 and Parque Llelas for SW.

Where actually do I need to go to find those places? I mean, via uber or something. Tell to driver Vamoes Calle 10 Paqrue / Parque Llejas? Any tips on crowded times /"safer" time, what to avoid and things like that will be much appreciated in advance.

I wish I can send some PM but by the time my paid account gets enabled I am afraid I may be heading back home already as I would stay for 10 days only.[/QUOTE]Calle 10 is a very long street that runs the length (or width depending on how you look at it) of Poblado pretty much. And there is Calle 10 and Calle 10 a that run parallel for a while and are both bustling at night and especially on weekends. I would go straight to Parque Lleras if I was going there to monger. Calle 10 is just too long. Easier to spot the SWs in and around the park.

I am a middle aged man closer to 60 than 50 so I can always spot the SWs because they are the only chicas checking me out. Otherwise they do often travel in packs. But so do other groups of girls and they really do not dress much differently either. I think one of the ways I spot them is that a normal group of friends is all involved in conversation with each other where as SWs are ofte alert to what's going on around them and being more alert to find a customer.

The advice I would give is stay out of Gusto unless you want to pay like 5 times what you would pay a chica in the park.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2804297]Calle 10 is a very long street that runs the length (or width depending on how you look at it) of Poblado pretty much. And there is Calle 10 and Calle 10 a that run parallel for a while and are both bustling at night and especially on weekends. I would go straight to Parque Lleras if I was going there to monger. Calle 10 is just too long. Easier to spot the SWs in and around the park.

I am a middle aged man closer to 60 than 50 so I can always spot the SWs because they are the only chicas checking me out. Otherwise they do often travel in packs. But so do other groups of girls and they really do not dress much differently either. I think one of the ways I spot them is that a normal group of friends is all involved in conversation with each other where as SWs are ofte alert to what's going on around them and being more alert to find a customer.

The advice I would give is stay out of Gusto unless you want to pay like 5 times what you would pay a chica in the park.[/QUOTE]And be careful there. Was just walking up Calle 10 to grab an Uber or taxi to go back to my apartment and a chica got quite aggressive in pestering me. She looked too young and I was even pushing her away. And not interested under any circumstance. But her real motive was to steal the cellphone out of my pocket. I realized it but short of beating her up to try to get it back there was nothing I could do. And in hindsight, I think she pulled it out and probably threw it on the grass, and then after went back and picked it up. So even if I had cops involved it would not have been on her person. Anyway, a real pain in the neck. It was an old phone but I had stuff on there that was not on the cloud or anywhere. So I went on google to track it and do the factory reset to wipe it. Of course it is not online or on. I think the first thing they do is remove the battery and SIM. Hopefully it resets based on the IMEI if it ever gets turned on again.

Any recommendations to look for BBFSCIP?

Great advice, never ever let someone get close enough to touch you on the street. On crowded public transportation when you can't avoid being touched, ignore all distractions and focus on your belongings to prevent pickpocketing.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2804337]And be careful there. Was just walking up Calle 10 to grab an Uber or taxi to go back to my apartment and a chica got quite aggressive in pestering me. She looked too young and I was even pushing her away. And not interested under any circumstance. But her real motive was to steal the cellphone out of my pocket. I realized it but short of beating her up to try to get it back there was nothing I could do. And in hindsight, I think she pulled it out and probably threw it on the grass, and then after went back and picked it up. So even if I had cops involved it would not have been on her person. Anyway, a real pain in the neck. It was an old phone but I had stuff on there that was not on the cloud or anywhere. So I went on google to track it and do the factory reset to wipe it. Of course it is not online or on. I think the first thing they do is remove the battery and SIM. Hopefully it resets based on the IMEI if it ever gets turned on again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2804337]And be careful there. Was just walking up Calle 10 to grab an Uber or taxi to go back to my apartment and a chica got quite aggressive in pestering me. She looked too young and I was even pushing her away. And not interested under any circumstance. But her real motive was to steal the cellphone out of my pocket. I realized it but short of beating her up to try to get it back there was nothing I could do. And in hindsight, I think she pulled it out and probably threw it on the grass, and then after went back and picked it up. So even if I had cops involved it would not have been on her person. Anyway, a real pain in the neck. It was an old phone but I had stuff on there that was not on the cloud or anywhere. So I went on google to track it and do the factory reset to wipe it. Of course it is not online or on. I think the first thing they do is remove the battery and SIM. Hopefully it resets based on the IMEI if it ever gets turned on again.[/QUOTE]This is good your reporting this. One of my regular Colombian Chicas was walking up from the glass parkway by Veracruz Church to the Parque Berrio Metro Station and mid-way a man came up to her, brandished a knife and said hand over your back pack and a woman accomplice started to yank it off her back and my Chica fought back / struggled and in the end they got her bag and she got a bruised shoulder where the strap of the backpack was and a bruised foot from trying to fend them off for less than a minute. The incident happened this last Saturday at 2 PM but I didn't ask about the weather but my bet it was raining. And the pair of thieves where Venezuelans based on their accent from what I was told. Fortunately she only lost her bag, a used smart phone, 100,000 Pesos, a Bancolombia Debit Card, and photocopy of her ID.

You can never let your guard down here, and when you least expect it, shit can happen. Sometimes guys get very complacent here, and are totally naive and find themselves having a far worse experience here than what happened to you.

Again, it's good that your reporting this as at serves as a reminder to keep your guard up, kind of like having to wear a "jock cup", you need to be suited up properly when going out for a stroll. LOL.

[QUOTE=BMJ973;2804409]Any recommendations to look for BBFSCIP?[/QUOTE]For your first post you sure don't beat around the Bush.

You won't have to look far if this is what your looking for.

Dinero, plata, monedas, billetes, Uncle Sam's.

Money talks here, that's all you need to know, looking forward to your next post.

You can fill us all in on what you experience was like with all the details. LOL.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2804337]And be careful there. Was just walking up Calle 10 to grab an Uber or taxi to go back to my apartment and a chica got quite aggressive in pestering me. She looked too young and I was even pushing her away. And not interested under any circumstance. But her real motive was to steal the cellphone out of my pocket. I realized it but short of beating her up to try to get it back there was nothing I could do. And in hindsight, I think she pulled it out and probably threw it on the grass, and then after went back and picked it up. So even if I had cops involved it would not have been on her person. Anyway, a real pain in the neck. It was an old phone but I had stuff on there that was not on the cloud or anywhere. So I went on google to track it and do the factory reset to wipe it. Of course it is not online or on. I think the first thing they do is remove the battery and SIM. Hopefully it resets based on the IMEI if it ever gets turned on again.[/QUOTE]This is a common method used to pick pockets. The grabbing, touching, bumping is a distraction to keep you from noticing the hand that's working your phone or wallet out of your pocket. The same thing happened to me before Christmas outside of Gtill Nueva. As I left a guy with a candy tray started bumping me with the tray, blocking me. Meanwhile, his hand, hidden by the tray was pushing my cellphone up from the bottom of my pocket. Luckily, I'm paranoid about my phone and constantly check it's firmly in my pocket. He got it almost halfway out before I pushed it back and realized what was happening.

I say "fortunately" because I don't carry an old phone. These days I'm not out and about as much and carry my lifeline.

I guess I was complacent. If a girl approaches and tries to touch me I block her hands, grabbing her wrists if necessary and tell her not to touch me. I wasn't properly suspicious of the candy vendor.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804268]What should I search for? This site isn't like a traditional forum with various posts. It seem each "city" is a post and the thread contains all the info?? Is that it?[/QUOTE]You can get it from escort agency, but I am not sure about the hottest. Find a national one that you can get what you want in all major Colombia cities. They will want upfront payment. I remember recently a member spent thousands on an agency in Bogata thread, you should not have problem finding it.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2804160]...

I've seen some posts mentioning Calle 10 and Parque Llelas for SW.

Where actually do I need to go to find those places? I mean, via uber or something. ....[/QUOTE]Look for the nearest intersection to Parque Llelas. You would not miss who is doing what once you arrive. Or drop off at the intersection near a restaurant or bar named GATO and walk on Calle 10 toward the direction of Parque Llelas, this will give you some buffer zone.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804269]Na, we don't have time for playing games. We are looking to have fun and won't be changing plans. Whatever we talk about is what's agreed on. I'm just wanting to make sure we have a safe trip and a fun trip without getting drugged and whatnot. Obviously it won't happen as we are cautious and a large group and we have security, but really just want to find the best girls possible.[/QUOTE]Well, you can start out by figuring out what everyone thinks is a "best girl. " Get everyone together, start browsing ads on Mileroticos and Photoprepagos and figure out who likes which type of girl. Take notes. Short, tall, curvy, slender, fake boobs, all natural, whatever everyone prefers.

Once you figure out what type of girls you're looking for, you can search for escort agencies in Medellin. Look through their catalogs, find the girls you want and make reservations.

Now for the downside. They'll probably want advance payment to reserve the girls, the girls who show up might not be the same ones you reserved and the service provided may or may not live up to your expectations. Add on, they might show up late, or might want to leave early.

Or, pay your subscription, send me a PM and I'll give you a Whatsapp number. She'll require a deposit in advance, probably 10%. She'll work to meet your requirements. If she needs to change the lineup, she'll tell you and let you pick the replacement. She'll get the girls there on time and they'll stay for the duration. There's still no guarantee on whether each girl meets expectations, but I trust her to do her best.

BTW- "Obviously it won't happen" is a good way to improve the odds that something bad will happen.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2803056]On La 70 across from hotel Mediterano (spelling?) they will even set up the syringe and inject you. Just give them your bottle and dosage. They do a good job with injections. Cost was minimal.[/QUOTE]Just noticed this, thank you so much for this, extremely helpful!

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804000] We have no issue paying but just want to ensure a good time.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a bunch of high rollers. But you are too cheap to pay membership to this site? We are excited to line up to help guys like you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2804124]Sorry, but I fell for that one before. A bunch of guys, bachelor party, money no object, looking for best girls for a party. I connected them with a girl I know. She can handle everything, bartender, DJ, girls, putting on shows, everything needed to make it perfect.

They worked out a deal, then every other day the guy wanted to change the deal. She jumped through every hoop, spent a bit of her own money, got girls to cancel plans to be at the party and 2 days before he canceled everything.

Too many guys with grand plans who have no regard for wasting other's time and money. If you get a paid account so you can send PMs, I'll give you her number, but she'll insist on a cash deposit to set up a party.[/QUOTE]Yup sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. They're better off going to Tijuana. Medellin is a far better experience for solo travelers.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2803322]Shit I've had toda la semana LOL and taken chicks to guatap, santa marta, melgar, all over Colombia. And I pay por polvo never by the time.[/QUOTE]Don't mean to brag, and I know someone will say I am but I couldn't resist commenting to your reply LOL. But for my upcoming trip to Colombia, I'm having toda la semana with what is a 10 in my eyes from a girl from HK and she's agreed to not charge me anything. I'm only paying for her food and flight. Point is one can always do better.

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2804160]
I've seen some posts mentioning Calle 10 and Parque Llelas for SW.

Where actually do I need to go to find those places? I mean, via uber or something. Tell to driver Vamoes Calle 10 Paqrue / Parque Llejas? [/QUOTE]Um yes, if taking an Uber or a cab, a good way to get to Parque Llleras would be to say 'vamos a Parque Lleras. ' Or even, 'Parque Lleras por favor,' which would be more polite. Then Calle 10, the part near Parque Lleras vs. Just Calle 10 in general, is where a lot of hookers have moved, since there have been periodic crackdowns in the park itself.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804269]Na, we don't have time for playing games. We are looking to have fun and won't be changing plans. Whatever we talk about is what's agreed on. I'm just wanting to make sure we have a safe trip and a fun trip without getting drugged and whatnot. Obviously it won't happen as we are cautious and a large group and we have security, but really just want to find the best girls possible.[/QUOTE]You have security that you got how and from where? Because you might want to google 'Yorvit Torrealba. ' he's one of many pro athletes in Latin America who had a family member kidnapped for ransom, that was [B]arranged and caused by[/B] (wait for it) his security. But, of course, your "plans won't change" no matter how much advice you get from guys who are seasoned veterans here. Good luck with that. If you think six guys is a "large group," wait until you see how many 'sicarios' can arrive at one time.

[QUOTE=BMJ973;2804409]Any recommendations to look for BBFSCIP?[/QUOTE]El centro, looking forward to the field report and / or medical report.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804269]Na, we don't have time for playing games. We are looking to have fun and won't be changing plans. Whatever we talk about is what's agreed on. I'm just wanting to make sure we have a safe trip and a fun trip without getting drugged and whatnot. Obviously it won't happen as we are cautious and a large group and we have security, but really just want to find the best girls possible.[/QUOTE]I'm going to be honest, you sound like you are full of shit and I doubt you'll even come to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804269]Na, we don't have time for playing games. We are looking to have fun and won't be changing plans. Whatever we talk about is what's agreed on. I'm just wanting to make sure we have a safe trip and a fun trip without getting drugged and whatnot. Obviously it won't happen as we are cautious and a large group and we have security, but really just want to find the best girls possible.[/QUOTE]It doesn't seem like you have done much research of your own and why don't you know how to work this site to obtain valuable information? It seems that you are not trying and just complaining that this isn't a traditional site. What are the other guys in your group doing? Are they attempting to research information also? Believe it or not this site is not the only information source out there. Who are you going to trust for security? Revealing your plans to anyone will let them know that their will be a lot of money involved and people talk and word gets around, especially when they know you have no idea how Colombia works and you don't know the city and you have absolutely no connections there. So basically you are trusting and at the mercy of others to guide you to wherever they what to guide you and you will go to wherever they want you to go if they can set out the proper bait that sounds good and irresistible. How would you even know what you will be getting into? There are ways of going about achieving success but the approach seems generic.

[QUOTE=BMJ973;2804409]Any recommendations to look for BBFSCIP?[/QUOTE]Well I always do BBFS CIP. Just be nice and good with the girl! Just respect her. Inviter her in a restaurant, maybe buy her few little gifts. Depends if you like her or not! And then in the room, if you're gentleman she'll let you fuck her bareback! I always do all over the world! And I just come back from Medellin. And I bareback everyday during 2 weeks!

[URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvpn5/an-american-met-a-woman-on-tinder-in-colombia-now-shes-accused-of-his-murder[/URL]

The suspects have been arrested! It looks like they were using some very potent synthetic drugs in high doses as opposed to Scopolamine. Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2804808]I'm going to be honest, you sound like you are full of shit and I doubt you'll even come to Medellin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Snipe420;2804269]Na, we don't have time for playing games. We are looking to have fun and won't be changing plans. Whatever we talk about is what's agreed on. I'm just wanting to make sure we have a safe trip and a fun trip without getting drugged and whatnot. Obviously it won't happen as we are cautious and a large group and we have security, but really just want to find the best girls possible.[/QUOTE]Mtndew704, LoveItHere69, and others.

What's the point of piling on to Snipe420? The guy made a perfectly reasonable request for information: how, in Medellin, can he most easily assemble a number of quality chicas to party with him and a group of friends, cost not being a serious constraint? "Reasonable" because the answer can't be found on an RTFF basis (i.e. by scouring through past posts on the thread). From what he wrote, there was no reason to conclude that he and his buddies are super naive or unduly cavalier about the risks of mongering on the quick here; just (like most of us) that they aren't overly paranoid.

I think the "reply to post" ethic here should be to respond to a request if you have some useful advice / info to offer, and, unless the questioner has been egregiously rude / obnoxious, to keep the snide / negative reactions and comments to oneself.

For Snipe420, one additional suggestion--although I don't personally have any experience organizing the kind of bacchanal that you envision. JjBee62 gave you some useful suggestions (each of you perusing escort sites such as photoprepagos, mileroticos for your preferred types of chicas, or perhaps taking him up on the offer of his friend's middlewoman services)--this despite his overreacting somewhat to your "Obviously it won't happen" remark.

Another option, IF your schedule permits and you prefer to recruit chicas face-to-face without the risk of photoshopped pixs on the escort websites): Your first night here, visit one or more of the three highest-end clubs: GUSTO for independents; La Isla and Fase Dos for the best strip club chicas. As reported many times here, in GUSTO expect the hottest chicas to quote exorbitant (for Colombia) prices in US dollars but still relatively cheap ones by US standards. The two strip clubs, if I'm not mistaken, will have a fixed per hour fee for leaving with a chica. On site at these two clubs, the going rate is 300 mil (or a bit plus) for 45 minutes of bedtime, so be prepared to pay substantially more for "take out". Or you might be able to collect WhatsApp contacts and negotiate their coming to party at your place for the next several nights independently of their affiliation with the club.

All three of these clubs will have a quite large number of chicas available (the most at La Isla), especially Wednesday through Saturday nights: GUSTOs after 11 pm; La Isla and Fase Dos, starting about 9:30, but also best after 10:30 or later. If money not a constraint, GUSTO would lend itself best to quickly finding a number of girls ready on the spot to leave and party with you. Club addresses can be found in Google Maps or Waze.

Hope this helps. Happy hunting, and let us know how you and your gang make out.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2804846][URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvpn5/an-american-met-a-woman-on-tinder-in-colombia-now-shes-accused-of-his-murder[/URL]

The suspects have been arrested! It looks like they were using some very potent synthetic drugs in high doses as opposed to Scopolamine. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]"At least 41 people have been victims of drug-related robberies already in Medellin in 2023, according to Colombian news outlet Caracol Noticias, although it's unclear how many were related to dating apps."

It's scary how prevalent this scam is killing people. 41 people this year alone, (that they know reported the drugging / robbery), probably more than 41 now. Be safe fellas!

If you must use tinder, never ever drink or eat with a tinder date. Always be up front before meeting that you "do not drink at all". If there still willing to meet, make it a priority to go to a short time love motel. It's also a good idea to snap a pic of your tinder date.

Again, stay safe!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2804854]Mtndew704, LoveItHere69, and others.

The guy made a perfectly reasonable request for information: how, in Medellin, can he most easily assemble a number of quality chicas to party with him and a group of friends, cost not being a serious constraint? "Reasonable" because the answer can't be found on an RTFF basis (i.e. by scouring through past posts on the thread). From what he wrote, there was no reason to conclude that he and his buddies are super naive or unduly cavalier about the risks of mongering on the quick here; just (like most of us) that they aren't overly paranoid.
[/QUOTE]Can't be found on an RTFF basis? True, but the answer can not easily be openly posted either. Help with contacts and numbers would require a personal message which requires a paid membership.

They are not naive? They think they are safe because they have security and a large number of people. That does not matter much when you come here not knowing crap and already assume you are safe.

I have read many of these party groups wanting information but never a post afterwards about it. Plus, these groups of guys are the ones screwing up prices and attitudes of the girls and post too much stuff on Youtube. Since they do not post afterwards they might as well contribute membership money.

If he had done any research at all he would say something such as. "My research tells me that going to casas and getting the girls to visit after work seems safest because we know where they work and how to find them and ID them if problems arise. Plus, we can test drive them beforehand quickly and cheaply. But the girls on [URL]photopregagos.com[/URL] seem like an easier way to find and contact the girls but ."

Just general broad questions. No specific questions highly indicates no research attempted.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2804846][URL]https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjvpn5/an-american-met-a-woman-on-tinder-in-colombia-now-shes-accused-of-his-murder[/URL]

The suspects have been arrested! It looks like they were using some very potent synthetic drugs in high doses as opposed to Scopolamine. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]Yeah a guy I know in Medellin who was showing me videos on his phone of how they manufacture their own synthetic drugs. Very dangerous stuff.

The life of the Centro rat is more expensive since the Botero Plaza barrier went up. As reported by the Head Rat In Charge, Surfer, girls are routinely asking 40 K. Some of them asked for that much and more for some time now. The difference since the barrier went up is it's now more work than I am willing to do to get dates for 30 K. We've settled on 35 K with minimal push back. So no big deal, it's only another 5 K. The hotels that used to charge 8 K are now getting 10 K. I should not complain because yesterday a girl told me the short time hotel she uses with gringos in Poblado costs 150 K. I did not ask the name of the hotel because well, you know, I am a Centro rat.

So I've been in Bogota for a couple of months, and I was considering coming over to Medellin. Only thing that's made me aprehensive is that there's so many posts here and in the Cartagena section complaining about safety or pricing or something or the other. Meanwhile, there's very little of that in the Bogota section. I know a lot of you guys strictly prefer Medellin over Bogota for mongering, so can you describe which parts are better? Are the girls hotter? The clubs better? Things closer together? I'm considering coming over to check out Fase Dos and La Isla so anything describing the differences would be great.

Also, in another post Nil mentioned the going rate at those clubs is 300 k for 45 minutes. Is there another rate for a shorter time?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2804916]The life of the Centro rat is more expensive since the Botero Plaza barrier went up. As reported by the Head Rat In Charge, Surfer, girls are routinely asking 40 K. Some of them asked for that much and more for some time now. The difference since the barrier went up is it's now more work than I am willing to do to get dates for 30 K. We've settled on 35 K with minimal push back. So no big deal, it's only another 5 K. The hotels that used to charge 8 K are now getting 10 K. I should not complain because yesterday a girl told me the short time hotel she uses with gringos in Poblado costs 150 K. I did not ask the name of the hotel because well, you know, I am a Centro rat.[/QUOTE]Thanks for designating me as the "Head Rat In Charge", but I really haven't been frequenting Centro as much as I used to, but did spend several days a few weeks back sampling the wares, and yes pricing has gone up, but I don't see it as a function of the barriers as you note as the pricing has been climbing for awhile now before the barricades.

Some of my regulars' who live in Menrique, and other strata one barrios are telling me how much things have gone up here for everything, no different than all over the world.

As an example, one of my regulars told me that where she lives, people are seeing their electric / water bills doubling, in some instances going from like 45 K to 90 K, and they don't have water heaters or natural gas where they live in Menrique. And an additional $ 10 USD for a utility bill may seem like chump change to some here, but not for those living in a Strata 1 barrio, that's easily a days pay or more.

Yet, you can still find fresh faces showing up in Centro who are not beauty queens, and Colombians, who will still quote 30 K, but not many.

The Venezuelans are another matter though, and much more on top of asking for a lot, especially from gringos, and those with no experience in Centro and limited Spanish speaking skills.

It must be really pressing on you to have to fork out another 5 K to 10 K for a rato in Centro, and I hope you don't have to take on a second job, or take out a second mortgage to finance your extracurricular activities in Centro as it is getting so pricey. LOL.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2804916]The life of the Centro rat is more expensive since the Botero Plaza barrier went up. As reported by the Head Rat In Charge, Surfer, girls are routinely asking 40 K. Some of them asked for that much and more for some time now. The difference since the barrier went up is it's now more work than I am willing to do to get dates for 30 K. We've settled on 35 K with minimal push back. So no big deal, it's only another 5 K. The hotels that used to charge 8 K are now getting 10 K. I should not complain because yesterday a girl told me the short time hotel she uses with gringos in Poblado costs 150 K. I did not ask the name of the hotel because well, you know, I am a Centro rat.[/QUOTE]Now, that extra 10 k is about $2 US so when you negotiate down to 35 k rather than 40 k, you are haggling over $1 US. Now for Centro rats, that may be a big deal depending on your budget. But I would say that for most mongers coming for a short trip, after spending money for airfare and hotels, that extra $2 per day or perhaps $4 per day for 2 days will not break the bank. Still, I understand the concerns about prices rising but there is thing called inflation and at some point, what you paid in the past will go up and you can't expect the same price for years and years or even from one year to another.

This sort of mess spiked up in recent months in Medellin. Unfortunately, it's also a thing worldwide. Just this week in New York there was an arrest in the case of a guy who turned up dead after leaving a gay bar in Hell's Kitchen. The suspect is being investigated in connection with several other similar cases.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2804860]"At least 41 people have been victims of drug-related robberies already in Medellin in 2023, according to Colombian news outlet Caracol Noticias, although it's unclear how many were related to dating apps."

It's scary how prevalent this scam is killing people. 41 people this year alone, (that they know reported the drugging / robbery), probably more than 41 now. Be safe fellas!

If you must use tinder, never ever drink or eat with a tinder date. Always be up front before meeting that you "do not drink at all". If there still willing to meet, make it a priority to go to a short time love motel. It's also a good idea to snap a pic of your tinder date.

Again, stay safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2804672]Don't mean to brag, and I know someone will say I am but I couldn't resist commenting to your reply LOL. But for my upcoming trip to Colombia, I'm having toda la semana with what is a 10 in my eyes from a girl from HK and she's agreed to not charge me anything. I'm only paying for her food and flight. Point is one can always do better.[/QUOTE]Hey A2023. We friends from Tijuana board.

Are you bringing her from Tijuana down to Medallo?

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2805012]Hey A2023. We friends from Tijuana board.

Are you bringing her from Tijuana down to Medallo?[/QUOTE]She's flying from her home state to cdmx. Cdmx to MDE.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2804954]Now, that extra 10 k is about $2 US so when you negotiate down to 35 k rather than 40 k, you are haggling over $1 US. Now for Centro rats, that may be a big deal depending on your budget. But I would say that for most mongers coming for a short trip, after spending money for airfare and hotels, that extra $2 per day or perhaps $4 per day for 2 days will not break the bank. Still, I understand the concerns about prices rising but there is thing called inflation and at some point, what you paid in the past will go up and you can't expect the same price for years and years or even from one year to another.[/QUOTE]Up until recently, the going "rack rate" for local mongers, meaning the prices quoted were typically 30 K by the Colombian SW's in Centro, and even less than that for the beached whales and other un-desirable SW's.

There has been at times fluctuations in pricing since before the Pandemic starting about five years ago with the onslaught of Venezuelans arriving who where undercutting their Colombian counterparts pricing wise. Many of them so desperate they would easily go for 20 K and / or do anything a guy would want for a small upcharge. I remember one Venezuelan telling me it was like 5 K more to go uncovered but I passed.

And during the height of the Pandemic when Colombia was basically closed to the world, it was a total buyers market for those here. And then all the SEA guys and other foreign mongers from around the world started showing up when basically the majority of mongering destinations around the world were basically closed.

So not only is it inflation that has caused pricing increases, but also as a result of all the new foreign mongers arriving here, and as you have noted, it's so inexpensive here, that haggling over "chump change" just doesn't happen for the reasons you noted.

I suppose should mention the Centro casas that used to be 45 K to 55 K are now 60 K to 65 K. As you noted, the extra little bit doesn't even matter to the locals really. The exchange rate at 4500 vs. The low 4,000's where it was a couple of years ago more than makes up the difference for anyone with foreign holdings.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2804954]Now, that extra 10 k is about $2 US so when you negotiate down to 35 k rather than 40 k, you are haggling over $1 US. Now for Centro rats, that may be a big deal depending on your budget. But I would say that for most mongers coming for a short trip, after spending money for airfare and hotels, that extra $2 per day or perhaps $4 per day for 2 days will not break the bank. Still, I understand the concerns about prices rising but there is thing called inflation and at some point, what you paid in the past will go up and you can't expect the same price for years and years or even from one year to another.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Temporis;2804918]So I've been in Bogota for a couple of months, and I was considering coming over to Medellin. Only thing that's made me aprehensive is that there's so many posts here and in the Cartagena section complaining about safety or pricing or something or the other. Meanwhile, there's very little of that in the Bogota section. I know a lot of you guys strictly prefer Medellin over Bogota for mongering, so can you describe which parts are better? Are the girls hotter? The clubs better? Things closer together? I'm considering coming over to check out Fase Dos and La Isla so anything describing the differences would be great.

Also, in another post Nil mentioned the going rate at those clubs is 300 k for 45 minutes. Is there another rate for a shorter time?[/QUOTE]I think Bogota is as dangerous if not more so than Medellin. You just hear about guys being victims because a lot more guys visit Medellin. Also for mongering, Bogota is probably better. The reason guys, including myself, prefer Medellin, is because it's just a nicer city. Prettier, better weather, easier to get around. Just a much more pleasant place to spend a week or two.

I have to post quick.

Where are the high class casas in Medellin?

I'm out on Tinder. Bringing chicas to your room is grossly overrated.

The Casas are what's up.

Please assist and if they are truly in El Centro then I'm cool with it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2804916]The life of the Centro rat is more expensive since the Botero Plaza barrier went up. As reported by the Head Rat In Charge, Surfer, girls are routinely asking 40 K. Some of them asked for that much and more for some time now. The difference since the barrier went up is it's now more work than I am willing to do to get dates for 30 K. We've settled on 35 K with minimal push back. So no big deal, it's only another 5 K. The hotels that used to charge 8 K are now getting 10 K. I should not complain because yesterday a girl told me the short time hotel she uses with gringos in Poblado costs 150 K. I did not ask the name of the hotel because well, you know, I am a Centro rat.[/QUOTE]I'm no hater but I come to Medellíand with plenty of cash. I'm not looking to get the best deal. I'm looking to have the most fun.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2804979]This sort of mess spiked up in recent months in Medellin. Unfortunately, it's also a thing worldwide. Just this week in New York there was an arrest in the case of a guy who turned up dead after leaving a gay bar in Hell's Kitchen. The suspect is being investigated in connection with several other similar cases.[/QUOTE]The guys that get scoped are overreaching in my opinion. Stick to the Casa girls or ladies you meet in person.

I'm not so sure that I'm really interested in ladies coming to my room anyway.

It's a real mystery of the universe where the high end Casas are. I've asked experienced Mongers that I know like me, and even then there is reluctance.

I have my own theory on that. But still there has to be a legit place better than New Life?

[QUOTE=Combo;2805274]I think Bogota is as dangerous if not more so than Medellin. You just hear about guys being victims because a lot more guys visit Medellin. Also for mongering, Bogota is probably better. The reason guys, including myself, prefer Medellin, is because it's just a nicer city. Prettier, better weather, easier to get around. Just a much more pleasant place to spend a week or two.[/QUOTE]Interesting, that's a bit reassuring for crime. Bogota does rate worse on crime indices when I compare to Medellin, but unfortunately there's no way to filter down to tourist zones. Or how crime against tourists compares (one thing I'm not really that worried about in Bogota). Kind of disappointing to hear that mongering is worse. Aren't Fase Dos and La Island supposed to be really good? Here in Bogota I basically only like one club called Fiebre (the northern clubs are nice but it's like 40 girls and 5 guys which for me is just weird).

[QUOTE=Temporis;2805383]..... (the northern clubs are nice but it's like 40 girls and 5 guys which for me is just weird).[/QUOTE]Note to self: Don't forget to visit Bogota.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805317]I have to post quick.

Where are the high class casas in Medellin?

I'm out on Tinder. Bringing chicas to your room is grossly overrated.

The Casas are what's up.

Please assist and if they are truly in El Centro then I'm cool with it.[/QUOTE]The high class casa is Loutron. You can search the thread. It also pops up on Google maps.

The next level is Fantasias Energy, or just Energy. It's in Laureles just west of the stadium, El estadio. It will also show up on a Google map search. Go up the stairs to the brown door just to the right of the Bancolombia ATM.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805321]The guys that get scoped are overreaching in my opinion. Stick to the Casa girls or ladies you meet in person.

I'm not so sure that I'm really interested in ladies coming to my room anyway.

It's a real mystery of the universe where the high end Casas are. I've asked experienced Mongers that I know like me, and even then there is reluctance.

I have my own theory on that. But still there has to be a legit place better than New Life?[/QUOTE]There are 2 main types of victims. The first are the new guys. They see all the matches on Tinder and don't stop to wonder why they're suddenly so popular.

The second type generally know better, but get careless. They trust a girl because they've seen her before, or a friend recommended her. They start partying and forget about the risks.

Just because you meet a girl in person doesn't mean she's safe.

Different folks, different strokes. Casas are great for some. Safe, secure and you're in and out with no fuss. Having a girl in your room is more intimate, less rushed. There's always a trade off.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2805428]Note to self: Don't forget to visit Bogota.[/QUOTE]I've always held forever that Bogota is the superior mongering destination in Colombia. Why? Simply because it's bigger with more variety of options making it "more better" than Medellin in my estimation.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805321]......It's a real mystery of the universe where the high end Casas are. I've asked experienced Mongers that I know like me, and even then there is reluctance.
I have my own theory on that. But still there has to be a legit place better than New Life?[/QUOTE]Two high end casas have often received attention on this thread, albeit with warning asterisks attached.

1. Spa Fantasias Energy Medellin (Cra. 74 #101 49, Laureles. Estadio): Relatively up-scale ambiance; usually 10 to 15 chicas (with matching, individually numbered chemises for the benefit of mongers with short-term memory issues). It's been a while but I recall pricing last year in 175 mil range for 45 minutes or an hour. On the whole, I haven't found the quality to be much better than Zandalay or New Life--but on occasion you'll spot one or two in the line-up who are way much better looking than I've ever seen in those El Centro casas. I live nearby in Laureles and have dropped by often over the last several years, but have only taken a chica to a room twice--in part because the few super hot ladies I interviewed wouldn't do DFK or BBBJ even for a good propina.

2. Loutron (Calle 16 a Sur #9 E 500). By some reports a former Pablo Escobar manse. In a somewhat remote location. I've only visited twice. Way more upscale physical set-up than in El Centro. And definitely hotter looking chicas on the whole than to be bedded at the other casas, albeit a relatively small selection on my visits (only 4 or 5 available). Pricing closer to La Isla's. Again, I passed in part because the chicas of my choice would not provide the DFK / BBBJ extras in exchange for an offered tip. But worth one visit, if only as a louche tourist attraction.

Like you, I would like to believe that there are some other high end casas that, for some reason, haven't received mention on this board or made World Traveller's (service to humanity) mapped compilations. Also I haven't found web platforms for the kind of highly selective escort services (such as one can find in LA, NYC, Las Vegas) that boast a highly curated roster of playmate / victoria secret / porn star quality women on offer. Way to pricey for me back in the USofA ($1,000 plus per hour rates) but here, if such services exist, they should be relatively affordable for many (if not most) of us, at least on special occasion (a birthday gift to oneself).

If anyone reading this knows of such places, please do chime in.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805321]

It's a real mystery of the universe where the high end Casas are. I've asked experienced Mongers that I know like me, and even then there is reluctance.

I have my own theory on that. But still there has to be a legit place better than New Life?[/QUOTE]By "high end", I assume you mean high price? We have that question every week. Energy in Laureles, various 'spas' in Laureles, Loutron.

Not sure what you mean by 'legit' either. What would be legit and what would be illegit?

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805318]I'm no hater but I come to Medelland with plenty of cash. I'm not looking to get the best deal. I'm looking to have the most fun.[/QUOTE]Most guys are coming to Medellin on a short vacation less than a week. The big costs are the airfare and hotels. There is also the time and effort to get to Medellin. After all that, saving a few bucks doesn't seem as important as seeing the girls that you want and having a good time. That doesn't mean that we are willing to pay $200 US for an hour but it may mean that we are willing to pay the extra $10 or $20 US to see the girls that we want without much hesitation. At least that is way it is with me. Often it is that amount that may come between an agreement with the girl and I don't let it deter me if I want to see that girl.

If you are an expat living in the city, it is different circumstances and you may be on a tight budget.

No hate detected, I am pleased you are a man of means.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805318]I'm no hater but I come to Medelland with plenty of cash. I'm not looking to get the best deal. I'm looking to have the most fun.[/QUOTE]

There are plenty of agencies and girls on photoprepagos who will take as much money as you feel the need to give them. Some of them are pretty good in my opinion and others not so much. Ellas Erotics two location are among the more popular six figure 1/2 hour places around town.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2805455]By "high end", I assume you mean high price? We have that question every week. Energy in Laureles, various 'spas' in Laureles, Loutron.

Not sure what you mean by 'legit' either. What would be legit and what would be illegit?[/QUOTE]

Be careful, there is a lower end casa just next door. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2805442]The high class casa is Loutron. You can search the thread. It also pops up on Google maps.

The next level is Fantasias Energy, or just Energy. It's in Laureles just west of the stadium, El estadio. It will also show up on a Google map search. Go up the stairs to the brown door just to the right of the Bancolombia ATM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805318]I'm no hater but I come to Medelland with plenty of cash. I'm not looking to get the best deal. I'm looking to have the most fun.[/QUOTE]Seems like you are saying that spending the most money will get you the most fun. If so, then that is not true at all. You can make your own fun for free. You can also pay exorbitant amounts hoping someone else, that does not know you from a can of paint, can deliver your idea of fun. I would rather take the chance at making my own fun that to shell out a bunch of money and be disappointed.

I think you captured it well. I don't know how scientific a sample it is but me and the other foreigners I know who live here are not at all on tight budgets. In my experience it is not an either / or sitaution. There are extreme examples of foreigners who live on the streets and panhandle to survive. I hope they are outliers. So-called weekend millionaires catch a lot of flak on the Internet and I don't think it's fair to them. As long as they don't create unsafe situations for themselves or for others I think they should spend as much of their money however they like. I know I spend more when I leave town for short trips. It's all good.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2805462]Most guys are coming to Medellin on a short vacation less than a week. The big costs are the airfare and hotels. There is also the time and effort to get to Medellin. After all that, saving a few bucks doesn't seem as important as seeing the girls that you want and having a good time. That doesn't mean that we are willing to pay $200 US for an hour but it may mean that we are willing to pay the extra $10 or $20 US to see the girls that we want without much hesitation. At least that is way it is with me. Often it is that amount that may come between an agreement with the girl and I don't let it deter me if I want to see that girl.

If you are an expat living in the city, it is different circumstances and you may be on a tight budget.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2805455]By "high end", I assume you mean high price? We have that question every week. Energy in Laureles, various 'spas' in Laureles, Loutron.

Not sure what you mean by 'legit' either. What would be legit and what would be illegit?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response and all of the answers. Much appreciated.

By high end I mean 22-27, good looking, willing to do complete GFE.

By legit I mean the Casa is safe, the ladies are all of legal age, and the ladies don't have ulterior motives to rob me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2805446]There are 2 main types of victims. The first are the new guys. They see all the matches on Tinder and don't stop to wonder why they're suddenly so popular.

The second type generally know better, but get careless. They trust a girl because they've seen her before, or a friend recommended her. They start partying and forget about the risks.

Just because you meet a girl in person doesn't mean she's safe.

Different folks, different strokes. Casas are great for some. Safe, secure and you're in and out with no fuss. Having a girl in your room is more intimate, less rushed. There's always a trade off.[/QUOTE]The women are so beautiful and sweet there. I look back on it and it feels like a dream. When they speak Spanish it sounds like a song. I could easily end up in group 2. I talked to ladies about Scopalina and I didn't get any inclination that they were involved in that at all.

Last thing I wasn't rushed at New Life. I think I could have stayed there for 3 hours if I wanted to. I think they had beer. It was a blast and it was probably the best sex I've ever had. Plus the lady was very nice. I tipped her and then she gave me a discount or something because I got change back at the window. The ladies I brought back to my room were great but it was my room with all of my valuables in a safe. On balance I'the go with less intimacy and more safety.

Guys a lot of you are worried about these posts about robberies and spiked drinks etc, here's my thoughts and observations. This applies for longer stays like mine but.

1. most girls you'll see and meet and take home in or from the Parque Llearas are same girls you see every night and you see their friends every night = this is very unlikely she will rob or spike your drink at home.

2. same goes for the girls in Gusto and other clubs surrounding this area. There are cameras and the cops will find and catch them.

3. if your building has security and checks this is very unlikely she will rob you and run away. Some building staff will require you to escort her out on her way out.

4. if your apartment does not have the guards, there will likely be multiple gates and keys to get inside; if she does not leave your apartment she is not likely to get her friends to go in and rob you.

5. if you meet a girl online (tinder / etc) make sure to get her online social profiles. Save some of her photos, take photos of her or together with her.

6. having a company at home (2 or more guy friends) will make a huge difference in safety and even girls attitudes.

7. don't go to her apartment, don''t go to a bar/club that she offers

8. never leave sight of your beer/drink - goes wo saying

with all of the above, we hear about these events but they are quite rare considering there are thousands of foreigners out every single night. If you get robbed or spiked, you can find local friends and police will look for them if you have anything to present.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2805616]....7. don't go to her apartment...[/QUOTE]I would think it actually maybe safe knowing where she lives. I would not go into her car.

I would not feel safe following your rules. The girl can score once and lay low until you leave to reappear. Just by reading reports, we know that is not safe. Colombia is a poor country so life is cheap, they don't have the resource to capture criminals even when we may consider easy. That is why you see mongers try to capture the criminals themselves and that actually shows how easy it is to capture them. Basically these events go against some of your rules or assumptions.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805552]Thanks for the response and all of the answers. Much appreciated.

By high end I mean 22-27, good looking, willing to do complete GFE.

By legit I mean the Casa is safe, the ladies are all of legal age, and the ladies don't have ulterior motives to rob me.[/QUOTE]By your definition of "high end" you'll have a better chance of finding it at an El Centro casa than at a place like Loutron. Depending on your definition of "complete GFE", your chances of finding it at any casa are slim.

You've got 30-60 minutes to explain everything you expect, reach an agreement on how much more it will cost and get her interested in putting some effort into it. That's not going to be easy.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2805616]Guys a lot of you are worried about these posts about robberies and spiked drinks etc, here's my thoughts and observations. This applies for longer stays like mine but.

1. most girls you'll see and meet and take home in or from the Parque Llearas are same girls you see every night and you see their friends every night = this is very unlikely she will rob or spike your drink at home.

2. same goes for the girls in Gusto and other clubs surrounding this area. There are cameras and the cops will find and catch them.

.[/QUOTE]I have talked to people who have been drugged and robbed who called the police. The police in question feel it is the Mongers fault for being stupid.

One fellow who was cut by a would be robber and was at a store buying pads to stop the bleeding told a nearby policeman what happened and the Cop quickly walked away.

The only way for a New Guy to be safe is to go to the Casas. No underage girls, no Ladyboys, no getting drugged or robbed. If you hit it off with a casa girl then if you want to see her outside then I think that is the way to go.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2805643]I would think it actually maybe safe knowing where she lives. I would not go into her car.

I would not feel safe following your rules. The girl can score once and lay low until you leave to reappear. Just by reading reports, we know that is not safe. Colombia is a poor country so life is cheap, they don't have the resource to capture criminals even when we may consider easy. That is why you see mongers try to capture the criminals themselves and that actually shows how easy it is to capture them. Basically these events go against some of your rules or assumptions.[/QUOTE]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?

If the police don't have the resources to capture them, what resources besides money does a foreigner have here, and do you have some examples / success stories of monger's capturing "monger criminals" as I can't recall that being posted about here in the past, but do have a short memory! LOL.

I also think the police do have the resources to catch criminals, but don't waste their time on a "sex tourist", unless they are drugged and die. As an example the guy from Orange County, California who croaked. Very bad press for tourism in the Country, hence the perps where caught.

However for a guy here that only loses all his belongings, I don't see the Police having much interest.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2805616]Guys a lot of you are worried about these posts about robberies and spiked drinks etc, here's my thoughts and observations. This applies for longer stays like mine but.

1. most girls you'll see and meet and take home in or from the Parque Llearas are same girls you see every night and you see their friends every night = this is very unlikely she will rob or spike your drink at home.

2. same goes for the girls in Gusto and other clubs surrounding this area. There are cameras and the cops will find and catch them.

3. if your building has security and checks this is very unlikely she will rob you and run away. Some building staff will require you to escort her out on her way out.

4. if your apartment does not have the guards, there will likely be multiple gates and keys to get inside; if she does not leave your apartment she is not likely to get her friends to go in and rob you.

5. if you meet a girl online (tinder / etc) make sure to get her online social profiles. Save some of her photos, take photos of her or together with her.

6. having a company at home (2 or more guy friends) will make a huge difference in safety and even girls attitudes.

7. don't go to her apartment, don''t go to a bar/club that she offers

8. never leave sight of your beer/drink - goes wo saying

with all of the above, we hear about these events but they are quite rare considering there are thousands of foreigners out every single night. If you get robbed or spiked, you can find local friends and police will look for them if you have anything to present.[/QUOTE]I agree with nearly all of the above. I will say in my case, and this is coming from someone that has spent 12 years going to Medellin over 30 trips, but was still drugged / robbed in November, that having a doorman is one of the things that you should definitely do and also instruct them not to let people leave unless you walk them down. In regards to pics. If the girl is acting suspicious send some of the pics to friends. I had taken screen captures of the girl, but then she stole my phone and I was unable to retrieve the pics. She also stole my keys to let herself out and an accomplice broke the entryway security camera and stole the storage device.

I had made the mistake of branching out to data 'semi-pros' and it was a girl I met off of Bumble and after our second 'date. ' Money was never discussed as she just wanted to 'hang out' which should have been a red flag. I watch my drinks and make my own, but I stepped outside to get food off of the grill for 30 seconds and she drugged my drink.

The police are very apathetic, particularly the local ones, and will not help. I had to get a denuncia from the state police (took 5-6 hours) then hire a private investigator group (WYN) to get anything going.

Be careful out there!

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805318]I'm no hater but I come to Medelland with plenty of cash. I'm not looking to get the best deal. I'm looking to have the most fun.[/QUOTE]You and especially the girls will have lots of fun.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2805544]Seems like you are saying that spending the most money will get you the most fun. If so, then that is not true at all. You can make your own fun for free. You can also pay exorbitant amounts hoping someone else, that does not know you from a can of paint, can deliver your idea of fun. I would rather take the chance at making my own fun that to shell out a bunch of money and be disappointed.[/QUOTE]Where I live it costs $400 to $500 for an hour. Non pros are much more costly it starts in the range where I buy everything and progresses to them taking half of everything I own. So if I go to MDE and spend $60 to $80 that's no big deal. I'm not rich or a jerk. I do believe you are on to something though and next time I'm going to do tourist excursions.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2805738]
The police are very apathetic, particularly the local ones, and will not help. I had to get a denuncia from the state police (took 5-6 hours) then hire a private investigator group (WYN) to get anything going.

Be careful out there![/QUOTE]So did the private investigator find the perps and where they charged and did you get anything back of yours, or was it a waste of time.

I last year filed a denuncia against a guy who threatened me with Whatsapp messages because I was seeing his girlfriend. I had to go to the Fiscalia, wait several hours to file the paperwork, and believe now that it was a total waste of time.

I believe guys that get scoped / robbed, but aren't physically hurt are wasting their time going after the perps.

If you got any resolution in your situation that's awesome.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2805556]
Last thing I wasn't rushed at New Life. I think I could have stayed there for 3 hours if I wanted to. I think they had beer. It was a blast and it was probably the best sex I've ever had. Plus the lady was very nice. I tipped her and then she gave me a discount or something because I got change back at the window. The ladies I brought back to my room were great but it was my room with all of my valuables in a safe. On balance I'the go with less intimacy and more safety.[/QUOTE]You will never be rushed at New Life because you pay after you leave the room based on how much time you spent in the room. I prefer this system compared to the other casas.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2805764]You will never be rushed at New Life because you pay after you leave the room based on how much time you spent in the room. I prefer this system compared to the other casas.[/QUOTE]Yep. Clock in, cock in.

Cock out, clock out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2805729]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?....[/QUOTE]Surfer, some of the answers you are looking for is in Chicago's post. I am just trying to express my view gently, less confrontational, that is why I put things in certain ways while other posters are more direct but we are saying the same end result.

If you read my past posts, you will see I sometimes will do social experiment. Basically, you can't think the girls or the criminals will think the way you do. Many of them are not that sophisticated.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2805729]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?

If the police don't have the resources to capture them, what resources besides money does a foreigner have here, and do you have some examples / success stories of monger's capturing "monger criminals" as I can't recall that being posted about here in the past, but do have a short memory! LOL.
[/QUOTE]If you recall a few months back a cat was drugged and robbed by a Tinder chick and made a youtube video about it. Later, his friend matched with the same chick and they set her up and paid the police to be there when she arrived. She even showed up with some of the first guy's shit. His cellphone if I remember correctly.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2805729]So you know mongers who have captured criminals themselves and it can be easy?

If the police don't have the resources to capture them, what resources besides money does a foreigner have here, and do you have some examples / success stories of monger's capturing "monger criminals" as I can't recall that being posted about here in the past, but do have a short memory! LOL.

I also think the police do have the resources to catch criminals, but don't waste their time on a "sex tourist", unless they are drugged and die. As an example the guy from Orange County, California who croaked. Very bad press for tourism in the Country, hence the perps where caught.

However for a guy here that only loses all his belongings, I don't see the Police having much interest.[/QUOTE]My girl / criminal was captured, but then again it was the same girl that drugged Paul Nguyen. I helped with the investigation. I would rather not share more given that it's ongoing.

In regards to the police I was told that it's three things. 1) The criminals could be connected to powerful gangs and the police are loathe to arrest someone, anger the gangs, and then have a target on their head (and families), 2) They have about 4 x as many open cases as they have people to cover and if a foreigner they expect you to be flying out shortly, 3) They do believe much of this is our own fault (and it is based on the dar de papaya culture).

Beyond that I was told that for prosecutors it's similar. 1) They want to be careful if the criminal is connected, 2) They have many, many cases so they only want to open cases that they know they can win. The challenge is that it takes time to pull together the evidence, identify the suspect, etc. (this is where Paul's family and WYN come into play), 3) From a political standpoint they are careful in which cases they take on and how they are portrayed within Colombia given that their appointments and pay are often tied to politicians in charge. In other words, there is a balance of prosecuting crimes against foreigners to take a strong stance, but at the same time they don't want things to 'blow up' and scare the tourists.

The biggest things in the latest case were that the criminals were not connected and that Paul's family paid for the WYN group to do almost all of the leg work for the police and prosecutors.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2805831]My girl / criminal was captured, but then again it was the same girl that drugged Paul Nguyen. I helped with the investigation. I would rather not share more given that it's ongoing.

In regards to the police I was told that it's three things. 1) The criminals could be connected to powerful gangs and the police are loathe to arrest someone, anger the gangs, and then have a target on their head (and families), 2) They have about 4 x as many open cases as they have people to cover and if a foreigner they expect you to be flying out shortly, 3) They do believe much of this is our own fault (and it is based on the dar de papaya culture).

Beyond that I was told that for prosecutors it's similar. 1) They want to be careful if the criminal is connected, 2) They have many, many cases so they only want to open cases that they know they can win. The challenge is that it takes time to pull together the evidence, identify the suspect, etc. (this is where Paul's family and WYN come into play), 3) From a political standpoint they are careful in which cases they take on and how they are portrayed within Colombia given that their appointments and pay are often tied to politicians in charge. In other words, there is a balance of prosecuting crimes against foreigners to take a strong stance, but at the same time they don't want things to 'blow up' and scare the tourists.

The biggest things in the latest case were that the criminals were not connected and that Paul's family paid for the WYN group to do almost all of the leg work for the police and prosecutors.[/QUOTE]Let's clear one thing up for sure. Gangs of groups of thieves who are involved in this trade have 0 influence on their government.

Cartels and gangs worry about their drugs which is worth BILLIONS.

Those are the people who have political influence. Not some local group of thugs who go robbing iPhones and pocket change at atms.

Also when a murder happens that country's embassy will get involved. Why? For example when Nguyen got killed I was actually in Orange County. He literally lived down the block from a property I had there. It was all over the news.

Then it made CNN.

So now there is government pressure to catch these killers.

This is when the gangs are absolutely powerless.

I can assure you robbing and drugging foreigners is just for a bunch of local thugs. Not saying they're not dangerous as well. But to think they have political or police influence is absurd.

Cartels would have these losers wiped out real quick for getting the US govt to start snooping their noses in medellin or do anything that might bring attention to them that might be bad for biz.

I think this business of drugging tourists can only stop if they get harsh sentences. Which I doubt. I know a man who murdered someone in cold blood and only got house arrest for 5 years. So it's their system that's fucked.

The only way to completely stop this mess is to threaten with extradition if you drug or kill a foreigner. Obviously this wouldn't happen. But I assure you if it did lots of people would take less chances.

Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Someone's probably answered this by now. I guess I understand the confusion but usually after the period comes only two zeroes for american dollars. In these profiles cases the 3 zeroes after the period mean thousands. So 130.000 is 130,000 COP (colombian pesos) about 28 dollars usd recommend the verified accts. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Colombian pesos. All ads on all sites by the same Bulgarian business are in local currency.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The first price was 130,000 for an hour. If you checked out the COP to US $ conversion you would see that is just under $30 US.

So which do you think is more likely? People coming all the way to Colombia to pay $130,000 dollars to get laid for an hour OR 130,000 Colombian pesos (US equivalent = $30) to get laid for an hour.

I don't want to insult you, but if you aren't going to bring your common sense with you, (Spirit doesn't charge extra for that BTW) you might want to stay home.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Why would a website directed to a Colombian audience, with text all in Spanish quote prices in USD? This is Colombia, not Ecuador.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]US $130,000 - only if they have Stormy Daniels on their roster and are aware that Donald Trump is coming into town.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2805852]Has anybody used [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos.[/URL] I'm just curious about the prices, are they quoted in COP or usd? I Hope it's cop because if it's usd what's point coming here for escorts at least for most of us. I can get those prices with out flying to another country. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Until dawn (8 hours) is priced at $900,000. Nearly one million dollars and you have to ask what currency? Where exactly on this planet would that happen? You have no logically thinking ability what-so-ever. Maybe pay attention to the posts, what are said in them, and then connect the dots. Did you fail the connect the dots coloring book as a child because it was too challenging?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2805861]I don't want to insult you, but if you aren't going to bring your common sense with you, (Spirit doesn't charge extra for that BTW) you might want to stay home.[/QUOTE]I think he was using common sense by asking to get clarification on something he did not understand. I am traveling with a chick now. We get to our destination and I look at her and ask so what do you want to do. She looks at me like a deer in headlights. I told her from now on her name is No Research.

This same thing happens every time I travel with women. How do they spend so much time on their phone but have not looked any fucking thing up when they are going to travel. This chick shows up with flip flops when if she had done any research she would have known that hiking shoes were more appropriate. I think my days of traveling with chicks are over.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2805857]Someone's probably answered this by now. I guess I understand the confusion but usually after the period comes only two zeroes for american dollars. In these profiles cases the 3 zeroes after the period mean thousands. So 130.000 is 130,000 COP (colombian pesos) about 28 dollars usd recommend the verified accts. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Yep. The period is used instead of the comma in many places in the world, including in Spanish numbering. So 130.000 = 130,000 in English numbering. Or more often recently there is just a space, 130 000 And the comma is used as a decimal point. And to further complicate, often the last 3 0's in 100,000 will be omitted and the term mil or the letter k will be used. The letter k is universal for 1000, and the word mil is one thousand in spanish. So 130 k = 130 mil = 130 000 = 130.000 = 130,000 in English numbering.

And then to figure it out in dollars you can look up the conversion online, or approximate it by dividing by 5000 and adding back 10%. For US dollars.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2806032]I think he was using common sense by asking to get clarification on something he did not understand. I am traveling with a chick now. We get to our destination and I look at her and ask so what do you want to do. She looks at me like a deer in headlights. I told her from now on her name is No Research.

This same thing happens every time I travel with women. How do they spend so much time on their phone but have not looked any fucking thing up when they are going to travel. This chick shows up with flip flops when if she had done any research she would have known that hiking shoes were more appropriate. I think my days of traveling with chicks are over.[/QUOTE]Oh boy where do I start. First of all aren't you the man? Don't you know you should be the one to lead? Never ask a girl what she wants to do or what she wants to eat. It shows lack of confidence and leadership. Plan your trip out day by day, if she happens to mention she doesn't like what you are going to do or ea that day, then it's ok to ask her what she would prefer. Sure you can ask her what she wants to do or eat on a chill day, just so you won't seem selfish. This is pretty common advice. What I usually do is send them ig or TikTok videos of places we are going to visit or eat at days leading up to the trip so they can get an idea of what to wear for that day and they appreciate that. Don't expect them to know everything. Again common sense, if not you should probably stop inviting girls to travel with you.

About maybe a few members answered my questioned about escort prices. And thanks to those that showed simple courtesy that did. Instead of going out of the way to make it look like a ridiculous question and assuming that I thought it was in the thousands in usd currency. (Of course theirs many of you that fuck up and drive up the prices anyways, which is why I would assume and wouldn't surprise me if it was in the hundreds to begin with, (at least not yet). Maybe I should count on the escort to give me the proper prices. I should just hand her the amount I think it is and expect her graciously return any amount I over paid her and then have a drink she made afterwards. To those members that actually answer questions and give helpful info Thanks.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2806209]About maybe a few members answered my questioned about escort prices. And thanks to those that showed simple courtesy that did. Instead of going out of the way to make it look like a ridiculous question and assuming that I thought it was in the thousands in usd currency. (Of course theirs many of you that fuck up and drive up the prices anyways, which is why I would assume and wouldn't surprise me if it was in the hundreds to begin with, (at least not yet). Maybe I should count on the escort to give me the proper prices. I should just hand her the amount I think it is and expect her graciously return any amount I over paid her and then have a drink she made afterwards. To those members that actually answer questions and give helpful info Thanks.[/QUOTE]This board will surprise you because for every rude person there are 5 thoughtful people. Focus on what you can learn and not on how things make you feel. Mastering MDE is just like mastering anything else you need to experience failure and then overcome it. Buenos Suerte!

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2805837]Let's clear one thing up for sure. Gangs of groups of thieves who are involved in this trade have 0 influence on their government.

I can assure you robbing and drugging foreigners is just for a bunch of local thugs. Not saying they're not dangerous as well. But to think they have political or police influence is absurd....

Cartels would have these losers wiped out real quick for getting the US govt to start snooping their noses in medellin or do anything that might bring attention to them that might be bad for biz....
[/QUOTE]Agree with you, but my local fixers said you always need to check. As you know certain barrios are controlled by certain gangs and others are a bit of no man's land. As I understand it where Paul and I were drugged in Laureles was non man's land. After the government and police started to follow up the girl and her gang reached out to the bigger gangs for protection (or to get them safely out of the city), but they were rebuffed because of the reasons you noted and I understand almost got knocked off due to bringing more heat to certain barrios.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2806103]Oh boy where do I start. First of all aren't you the man? Don't you know you should be the one to lead? Never ask a girl what she wants to do or what she wants to eat. It shows lack of confidence and leadership. Sure you can ask her what she wants to do or eat on a chill day, just so you won't seem selfish. This is pretty common advice. What I usually do is send them ig or TikTok videos of places we are going to visit or eat at days leading up to the trip so they can get an idea of what to wear for that day and they appreciate that.[/QUOTE]Ah I got it now. Antihony 2023 - it's an anagram of Andrew Tate.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2806103]Oh boy where do I start. First of all aren't you the man? Don't you know you should be the one to lead? Never ask a girl what she wants to do or what she wants to eat. It shows lack of confidence and leadership.[/QUOTE]Being a leader does not mean you should expect those that you lead to show up clueless. Leading does not mean dragging someone along behind you. Even in the military the last person in line has been through boot camp and expected to have some general idea of concepts. They do not just go from home to the battlefield and told just follow that guy; he is your leader. And if something happens to the leader then those following should have some inkling of what to do. They should not just lay down and not do anything because there is no more leader.

Leaders have support. The President does not make his own briefings everyday. There are people that gather and assemble the information for him to go over in order to make decisions. That is what I look for in a woman. But obviously I am expecting too much and you do not expect anything at all. Do you know how many times I have asked a chick to find a place to stay and she goes to booking, plugs in the place, then sends me the search results. Really? I could have done that my damn self in half of a second.

It is funny in Latin America you always get chicks that say they want a man that is a detallista. But when it comes down to it they do not know how to be detallistas their damn selves. When it is their birthday they expect you to do this that and the other. When your birthday rolls around they are clueless of what to do. Reminds me of a buddy that lived in the Dominican Republic. He treated this chick like a queen. When his birthday rolled around she did not give him so much as a damn birthday card saying kiss my ass.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2806209]About maybe a few members answered my questioned about escort prices. And thanks to those that showed simple courtesy that did. Instead of going out of the way to make it look like a ridiculous question and assuming that I thought it was in the thousands in usd currency. (Of course theirs many of you that fuck up and drive up the prices anyways, which is why I would assume and wouldn't surprise me if it was in the hundreds to begin with, (at least not yet). Maybe I should count on the escort to give me the proper prices. I should just hand her the amount I think it is and expect her graciously return any amount I over paid her and then have a drink she made afterwards. To those members that actually answer questions and give helpful info Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hey, don't take guys too seriously on this forum, its all good banter. However, there're loads of useful info to be found, you just need to do a little sifting.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2806032]... I think my days of traveling with chicks are over.[/QUOTE]Was it your idea to go on a trip? I kind of have the opposite problem and they girls always bring up the topic during the middle of sex and everything come to full stop. LOL Just last week, they told to we should go to the beach on holy week during sex out of nowhere.

I know what you mean. It's annoying. I've thought about it probably more than I should have. I've come to the conclusion that the girls do it for two reasons. One reason is it relieves the monotony of their daily existence. I think the second reason is it literally softens the blows they have to take. They soon learn they can distract guys enough to lessen, shorten, or even prevent the strokes we enjoy so much. I have myself trained so that when they begin to play that game I immediately tune out their verbal cues so I can stay on task.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2806365]Was it your idea to go on a trip? I kind of have the opposite problem and they girls always bring up the topic during the middle of sex and everything come to full stop. LOL Just last week, they told to we should go to the beach on holy week during sex out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2806365]Was it your idea to go on a trip? I kind of have the opposite problem and they girls always bring up the topic during the middle of sex and everything come to full stop. LOL Just last week, they told to we should go to the beach on holy week during sex out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]It is always my idea. I came to Galapagos for scuba diving and told my chick in Ecuador to come with me. Most places that I go and bring a chick (besides a day trip), I am going there for diving. Next two places I am going that I plan to bring a chick are Leticia, Colombia to check out the Amazon and Iquitos, Peru to do ayahuasca.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2806103]Oh boy where do I start. First of all aren't you the man? Don't you know you should be the one to lead? Never ask a girl what she wants to do or what she wants to eat. It shows lack of confidence and leadership. Plan your trip out day by day, if she happens to mention she doesn't like what you are going to do or ea that day, then it's ok to ask her what she would prefer. Sure you can ask her what she wants to do or eat on a chill day, just so you won't seem selfish. This is pretty common advice. What I usually do is send them ig or TikTok videos of places we are going to visit or eat at days leading up to the trip so they can get an idea of what to wear for that day and they appreciate that. Don't expect them to know everything. Again common sense, if not you should probably stop inviting girls to travel with you.[/QUOTE]Haha you sound like a high schooler bro. Dudes just need to be themselves. If you are the type of guy to lead, then lead and chicks will dig that. If you are more sigma and you like concensus on decisions, as long as you are a good dude and it's who you are, the girls will like that too. Remember, these are girls you are paying for, you are down there to have fun, not find a wife. I would never pay to travel to another country, pay for a girl, and then put a 24/7 show on for her. That's called being a poser and its weak. Don't pretend to be a leader and an alpha if you are not, it will leave you not being able to enjoy "YOUR" vacation with the girl you are "PAYING" for in one way or another.

That being said, yea most decent girls don't like a dude who makes them feel unsafe and is a push over.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2806365]Was it your idea to go on a trip? I kind of have the opposite problem and they girls always bring up the topic during the middle of sex and everything come to full stop. LOL Just last week, they told to we should go to the beach on holy week during sex out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]It could be more simple than that. Maybe you are so white that you glow in the dark and she thinks you need to tan-up rather than man-up. Maybe you are fat and she thinks you belong on the beach like a beached whale. Maybe you are so good at sex that she wants to spend the whole Holy Week with you because she feels closer to God as you have sex and she says over and over again "OMG! OMG! OMG!" There could be many deep deep reasons for her request. Haha!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2806370]I know what you mean. It's annoying. I've thought about it probably more than I should have. I've come to the conclusion that the girls do it for two reasons. One reason is it relieves the monotony of their daily existence. I think the second reason is it literally softens the blows they have to take. They soon learn they can distract guys enough to lessen, shorten, or even prevent the strokes we enjoy so much. I have myself trained so that when they begin to play that game I immediately tune out their verbal cues so I can stay on task.[/QUOTE]Interesting that girls getting pounded during sex would bring up going on vacation.

I haven't ever experienced anything like that before, not a least while giving or getting a pounding.

As far as getting distracted, I can see some girls trying to get a guy off as quickly as possible to lessen the pounding, if that is what your referring to in regards to softening the blows.

And it is interesting how mundane some of the girls lives are, so maybe it's a dream for them to even fly on a plane and go anywhere, hence the requests while riding some guy in cowgirl. LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2806328]Agree with you, but my local fixers said you always need to check. As you know certain barrios are controlled by certain gangs and others are a bit of no man's land. As I understand it where Paul and I were drugged in Laureles was non man's land. After the government and police started to follow up the girl and her gang reached out to the bigger gangs for protection (or to get them safely out of the city), but they were rebuffed because of the reasons you noted and I understand almost got knocked off due to bringing more heat to certain barrios.[/QUOTE]Chicago: I'm sorry this happened to you. PM me please. Next time I'm in MDE I will buy you a beer, and I'm coming soon (I think).

When I stayed at the Mansion I felt as though that area might have been protected by gangs. I've made friends with a lady and I'm going to see her again. I met her in person. Your story scares me because even though I can mitigate the risk by avoiding Tinder, I can't eliminate the risk. I'the like to let my guard down with one of these ladies, but I can't get around the fact that MDE is 400 years old. I have no clue of back channel agreements and gang affiliations. A working lady should throw up red flags for me.

I was in Medellin during Easter week. I expected to do my usually barrio party rounds like I did during the Christmas / New Year holidays. But this time, the barrios were very quiet and mellow compared to before. One instance, I was invited to a family get together in the barrios, ready to eat and drink up endless guaro. Then the grandma (matriarch of the family) shut us down jajaja. Said it's going to be Good Friday, and we can't be drinking liquor. Funny thing, last year during Christmas celebration, the entire block was party central. Holy Week was definitely a party killer, all good though. I stayed to chat it up with the family, then quietly bounced so I can get a party started in my apartment.

I did my usual regulars where I invite 2-3 girls over and just party it up without any worries of being drugged or robbed. I don't have to look over my drinks or my shoulders at all. Just remember tussi makes the pussy juicy!! Wished I had a jacuzzi! I know, it's cringey jajaja. To meet new chicas, I'll ask a girl to invite a friend or two, and the cycle just repeats itself and the fun continues. We'll party till 6, sometimes 7 in the morning. I usually just bang one of the girls and get the info on the rest to party again later. I average about 3 to 4 hours of sleep each day last week. Once I got back to the States, I slept all day and night like I was just scoped with no memories from last week jajaja. I had to get up twice to double check I was in the US of A. I had a little PTSD MDE style. For the MDE newbies out there, don't do what I do jajaja. Be careful out there as always. For me, I party like there's no tomorrow or until its tomorrow morning, so come scope me shit jajaja. Maybe not, I meant the mouthwash scope, which I use every morning hehe

This trip I got to hang out with a couple fellow gringos I've known over the years. One I met over 10 years ago with both of us being Medellin newbies back then. Now, he's got Colombian permanent residency and even bought a nice apartment out in the northern suburbs. I told him I got there first jajajaja. I don't really get jealous of any gringo in Medellin, but he's probably the only one. And since we're both about same age (early 40's), I got to get to his level soon.

….Forgot to mention, I ventured out once to la Provenza and the party scene was popping. I partied with a fellow ISG member along with a few chicas of course. If you read this, hope you got or will get that 3some my friend!!

Hi all, I've been watching this thread for a couple of weeks. Thanks for the nice community and the helpful advice. I have lived in Costa Rica for the past two years and speak about A2-B1 Spanish and am working hard on improving it, and plan on moving to Medellin permanently in July. I already have some family friends and connections in Medellin.

A lot of the Medellin expat facebook groups I'm a part of all talk about how dangerous it is to meet a girl off of Tinder, Bumble, etc because of Scopolamine, and how cautious you need to be when meeting someone online. If you talk to most expats on these facebook groups, it would seem like meeting girls online is really dangerous, especially if you're talking to girls with slutty profile photos (I think that's an important detail because I often view these women in slutty outfits as a red flag). They do acknowledge, however, that you can have a safe time, if you take certain precautions. A lot of those precautions being get her social media, take a picture of her cedula, don't have sex on the first date, always have a doorman that watches out for you, never leave your drink alone, etc etc etc (and about 40 other things to do).

And yet, with everything I read on this forum, it seems like everyone is kind of doing the opposite, meeting a lot of these women with slutty profile pictures that would normally be red flags, having sex on the first date, and still being safe. Before I started reading this forum I thought [URL]seeking.com[/URL] would be just really dangerous to get involved with, to not meet women with profile pictures that are too slutty, basically avoid Tinder all together, etc. Now I'm just more confused. So, my question is, how do you keep safe? How do you avoid being the next Paul Nguyen? How do you avoid getting involved with one of these prepagos that would drug any other expat?

I should also add I'm in my mid 30's, tall, in pretty good shape, and pretty good looking. Not too big of a partier.

P.S. If you have any advice on how to find an apartment, feel free to send me a DM. I'm familiar with all of the websites to find an apartment, but trying to find a nice modern apartment that doesn't charge Casacol prices in a less touristy area like Laureles, which seems pretty impossible.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2806495]Interesting that girls getting pounded during sex would bring up going on vacation.

I haven't ever experienced anything like that before, not a least while giving or getting a pounding.

As far as getting distracted, I can see some girls trying to get a guy off as quickly as possible to lessen the pounding, if that is what your referring to in regards to softening the blows.

And it is interesting how mundane some of the girls lives are, so maybe it's a dream for them to even fly on a plane and go anywhere, hence the requests while riding some guy in cowgirl. LOL.[/QUOTE]You need to think a little differently. Sex can be a party with paisas and it can last for hours with teasing, dirty dancing. LOL. It's not that I like it that way because it is exhausting. I just enjoy new experiences. The topic was not brought up during pounding. It started with a trip destination, then with more details planned by the girls in subsequent meetings. That is why I asked Mr E who brought up the trip idea. In my case, it's the girl and they obviously planned after.

[QUOTE=Fiore32;2806629]... So, my question is, how do you keep safe? ...[/QUOTE]One thing I won't do is getting into stranger's car. You can even say don't get into a car not ordered by you. If it is too good to be true, it probably isn't. There are very few places with security that check guest when they leaving which is probably the key.

[QUOTE=Fiore32;2806629]Hi all, I've been watching this thread for a couple of weeks. Thanks for the nice community and the helpful advice. I have lived in Costa Rica for the past two years and speak about A2-B1 Spanish and am working hard on improving it, and plan on moving to Medellin permanently in July. I already have some family friends and connections in Medellin.

A lot of the Medellin expat facebook groups I'm a part of all talk about how dangerous it is to meet a girl off of Tinder, Bumble, etc because of Scopolamine, and how cautious you need to be when meeting someone online. If you talk to most expats on these facebook groups, it would seem like meeting girls online is really dangerous, especially if you're talking to girls with slutty profile photos (I think that's an important detail because I often view these women in slutty outfits as a red flag). They do acknowledge, however, that you can have a safe time, if you take certain precautions. A lot of those precautions being get her social media, take a picture of her cedula, don't have sex on the first date, always have a doorman that watches out for you, never leave your drink alone, etc etc etc (and about 40 other things to do).

And yet, with everything I read on this forum, it seems like everyone is kind of doing the opposite, meeting a lot of these women with slutty profile pictures that would normally be red flags, having sex on the first date, and still being safe. Before I started reading this forum I thought [URL]seeking.com[/URL] would be just really dangerous to get involved with, to not meet women with profile pictures that are too slutty, basically avoid Tinder all together, etc. Now I'm just more confused. So, my question is, how do you keep safe? How do you avoid being the next Paul Nguyen? How do you avoid getting involved with one of these prepagos that would drug any other expat?

I should also add I'm in my mid 30's, tall, in pretty good shape, and pretty good looking. Not too big of a partier.

P.S. If you have any advice on how to find an apartment, feel free to send me a DM. I'm familiar with all of the websites to find an apartment, but trying to find a nice modern apartment that doesn't charge Casacol prices in a less touristy area like Laureles, which seems pretty impossible.[/QUOTE]Just a caution on trying to figure out who is dangerous by the profile. The ones that are trying to lure "victims" often have the cleanest profile, and a great cover story. Was talking to a guy last night. Found a normal gal on social media, went on 2 or 3 dates, she had a regular job, etc. Then she drugged him and cleaned him out, over 10 grand worth of stuff. Police don't give a shit, unless it becomes an international incident, and then they may. But a tourist / gringo whatever getting drugged is an everyday thing, and the folks here assume you had it coming.

Has anyone of you gone done the rabbit hole on why the women in Colombia so hot? The chance that a woman is hot in Colombia is so high compared to other countries. I've seen cleaners working in malls that 8's or 9's which is something you would never seen in the US. I had a housekeeper in Medellin and she could easily be a MILF porn star in Miami if she wants to. Why?

Here are my 2 cents.

1. Maintenance. Colombian women are definitely spending more time and money in their looks than American women. They workout a lot, walk a lot. Eat less processed food. Plus Colombia in general has less obese people. They would never just put on some PJs and head to the mall. They always well dressed and have make up on.

2. Genetics. This is where I hope one of you has done some studies and is willing to share. Based on what I know, the earlier European settlers were entirely Spanish males, and they married with native women and had mixed children. Many Colombian cities are in valleys so they did not mix with other races until 19th or 20th century. I am not en expert in genealogy, so please share some thoughts.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2806664]Has anyone of you gone done the rabbit hole on why the women in Colombia so hot?
Here are my 2 cents.

1. Maintenance. Colombian women are definitely spending more time and money in their looks than American women. They workout a lot, walk a lot. [B]Eat less processed food.[/B] Plus Colombia in general has less obese people. They would never just put on some PJs and head to the mall. They always well dressed and have make up on.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree that in a machismo society, women are preoccupied with their looks. Yes, because of poverty, women take the metro and walk a mile or two to their job location rather than spend money on a taxi. So their weight stays healthy for a longer time. BUT as to the processed food comment. You couldn't be further from the truth. Street venders are selling fried everythings and they have no trouble selling their wares. You also see a proliferation of American style fast food restaurants all over the place which was far less common as few as 3 to 5 years ago.

I'm afraid the US is exporting the American diet to Colombia and in time the effects will be apparent. BTW China is a super good example. If you go back 40 to 50 years, you would rarely see a Chinese man or woman who was obese. Their diet of rice and vegetables was standard. But as the country opened up to more and more Western trade, the US exported its American diet and the cities in China have had a growing obesity problem.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2806664]2. Genetics. This is where I hope one of you has done some studies and is willing to share. Based on what I know, [B]the earlier European settlers were entirely Spanish males, and they married with native women[/B] and had mixed children. Many Colombian cities are in valleys so they did not mix with other races until 19th or 20th century. I am not en expert in genealogy, so please share some thoughts.[/QUOTE]Marry? Are you F'in kidding me? The Spaniards came over and raped anything they saw that got their little penes hard (women, girls, boys even alpacas). They also spread their European diseases which decimated the indigenous population. But the result was a very attractive blend of mostly European and various indigenous genes and so today you see these stunningly beautiful women.

I would offer something to support my theory. The women of Bolivia, Paraguay and Chile are not nearly as stunning [B]on average[/B]. Why is that? The huge influx of European soldier / explorers was far less abundant in those areas and so the indigenous were not wiped out to the same extent.

Much of this is discussed in detail in the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2806664]Based on what I know, the earlier European settlers were entirely Spanish males, and they married with native women and had mixed children.[/QUOTE]LOL. Really? They married with native women? A bunch of weird looking strangers show up out of nowhere and you think the local women were marrying them? Based on what I know the early European settlers killed the native men and forced themselves on the native women.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2806660]Just a caution on trying to figure out who is dangerous by the profile. The ones that are trying to lure "victims" often have the cleanest profile, and a great cover story. Was talking to a guy last night. Found a normal gal on social media, went on 2 or 3 dates, she had a regular job, etc. Then she drugged him and cleaned him out, over 10 grand worth of stuff. Police don't give a shit, unless it becomes an international incident, and then they may. But a tourist / gringo whatever getting drugged is an everyday thing, and the folks here assume you had it coming.[/QUOTE]Thanks Zeos for the reply. Any recommendations for avoiding getting yourself into these situations?

Carrera 47 #53-42.

Tel 3114848790.

Mamasan said:

50 mil, servicio relajante con oral media hora.

70 mil 1 h.

80 mil 2 chicas 40 minutes.

Viewing fee 5 mil.

Open from 10 am.

They sold me on mentioning oral specifically. 7 chicas presented, 1 to my taste. I was expecting more of a massage and suck but the girl went straight to the latter. I wasn't sure if fuck is included either and didn't care but after about 15 minutes of quite skillful oral / HJ chica asked which position I want. Didn't ask about bareback.

Room I was in, minimally worse than New Life I'd say, but definitely better than Grill Nueva. Clean. No hot shower nor shower head. Chicas sitting area just in the hallway by the door. They had some incense burning in the waiting room.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2806664]Has anyone of you gone done the rabbit hole on why the women in Colombia so hot? The chance that a woman is hot in Colombia is so high compared to other countries. I've seen cleaners working in malls that 8's or 9's which is something you would never seen in the US. I had a housekeeper in Medellin and she could easily be a MILF porn star in Miami if she wants to. Why?

Here are my 2 cents.

1. Maintenance. Colombian women are definitely spending more time and money in their looks than American women. They workout a lot, walk a lot. Eat less processed food. Plus Colombia in general has less obese people. They would never just put on some PJs and head to the mall. They always well dressed and have make up on.

2. Genetics. This is where I hope one of you has done some studies and is willing to share. Based on what I know, the earlier European settlers were entirely Spanish males, and they married with native women and had mixed children. Many Colombian cities are in valleys so they did not mix with other races until 19th or 20th century. I am not en expert in genealogy, so please share some thoughts.[/QUOTE]I've often asked myself this same question.

From an evolutionary standpoint it is because they had to be. I've met several Colombian men and they aren't worried about much when it comes to women.

This is baffling to me because where I live women have the decided advantage.

MDE is a gem.

The women are inherently sweet. It's weird. My theory is that they don't know how beautiful they are.

But the men are very kind as well. My Spanish tutor told me that people in MDE are world renowned for their politeness.

If that doesn't make sense for you then join the club of magical realism.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2806664]Has anyone of you gone done the rabbit hole on why the women in Colombia so hot? The chance that a woman is hot in Colombia is so high compared to other countries.[/QUOTE]Personally, I think it is 2 things:

1. Its you that thinks they are so hot. It is not an objective reality. Their type of appearance appeals to you and others, so they appear hot to you.

2. They are obsessed w appearance and vanity.

Hence a girl goes out to work in el centro and guys will say she is a 5. 2 years later the same guys will see the same girl in an expense club wearing make up and xharging 6 times more, and now rate her as a 9.

I don't think colombian women are any hotter than women frommany other countries.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2806735]Personally, I think it is 2 things:

1. Its you that thinks they are so hot. It is not an objective reality. Their type of appearance appeals to you and others, so they appear hot to you.

2. They are obsessed w appearance and vanity.

Hence a girl goes out to work in el centro and guys will say she is a 5. 2 years later the same guys will see the same girl in an expense club wearing make up and xharging 6 times more, and now rate her as a 9.

I don't think colombian women are any hotter than women frommany other countries.[/QUOTE]Bring a Colombian lady to the states and it's probably a different story. But in MDE those ladies are the perfect combination of hot, sweet, and fantastic in bed.

I've had my share of wonderful experiences with American girls. The best part is they speak my language and nothing is lost in translation. But compare throwing a Colombian girl on top to an American girl and you have a Ford Fiesta v a Ferrari. There is no comparison.

Don't take my word for it. Experience it yourself.

If you are a middle aged man there is no place in the world more advantageous to meet beautiful women than MDE, PERiOD.

Brazil would be a very close second and knocking on the door.

But what sets MDE apart is these ladies are polite decent people. If you are kind to them, and respect them, then the world is your oyster.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2806735]2. They are obsessed w appearance and vanity.

Hence a girl goes out to work in el centro and guys will say she is a 5. 2 years later the same guys will see the same girl in an expense club wearing make up and xharging 6 times more, and now rate her as a 9.[/QUOTE]Dude I used to mess with this chick in Cali. Normal non hooker girl worked as a receptionist in some type of office. We lost touch for whatever reason and a couple of years later some chick hits me up and I am like who are you? It was her but she had moved to Medellin and looked totally different. I thought she had some surgeries or something but she said she did not. She said it was just the clothes and new glasses. I guess she was going for the Medellin instagram model look after she moved there. She asked me when I would come visit. I made a plan to go but she disappeared again before I got there.

My post was misleading. I never had a girl ask about vacation while we were going at it either. What has happened to me isn't very different. I've had girls try to start a conversation about random things like whether I've heard from a mutual friend or whether I am willing to renegotiate our deal. There isn't one single thing I want to talk about unless it's about the action underway. It's a men are from Mars women are from Venus thing. Women want to fuck in the dark so they can fantasize about being with someone else or about not being with anyone at all in that moment. Men want to see what they are doing and what's being done to them. Women like soft focus candelit kissing scenes in movies, men like brightly lit porno.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2806495]Interesting that girls getting pounded during sex would bring up going on vacation.

I haven't ever experienced anything like that before, not a least while giving or getting a pounding.

As far as getting distracted, I can see some girls trying to get a guy off as quickly as possible to lessen the pounding, if that is what your referring to in regards to softening the blows.

And it is interesting how mundane some of the girls lives are, so maybe it's a dream for them to even fly on a plane and go anywhere, hence the requests while riding some guy in cowgirl. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2806545]I was in Medellin during Easter week. I expected to do my usually barrio party rounds like I did during the Christmas / New Year holidays. But this time, the barrios were very quiet and mellow compared to before. One instance, I was invited to a family get together in the barrios, ready to eat and drink up endless guaro. Then the grandma (matriarch of the family) shut us down jajaja. Said it's going to be Good Friday, and we can't be drinking liquor. Funny thing, last year during Christmas celebration, the entire block was party central. Holy Week was definitely a party killer, all good though. I stayed to chat it up with the family, then quietly bounced so I can get a party started in my apartment.

I did my usual regulars where I invite 2-3 girls over and just party it up without any worries of being drugged or robbed. I don't have to look over my drinks or my shoulders at all. Just remember tussi makes the pussy juicy!! Wished I had a jacuzzi! I know, it's cringey jajaja. To meet new chicas, I'll ask a girl to invite a friend or two, and the cycle just repeats itself and the fun continues. We'll party till 6, sometimes 7 in the morning. I usually just bang one of the girls and get the info on the rest to party again later. I average about 3 to 4 hours of sleep each day last week. Once I got back to the States, I slept all day and night like I was just scoped with no memories from last week jajaja. I had to get up twice to double check I was in the US of A. I had a little PTSD MDE style. For the MDE newbies out there, don't do what I do jajaja. Be careful out there as always. For me, I party like there's no tomorrow or until its tomorrow morning, so come scope me shit jajaja. Maybe not, I meant the mouthwash scope, which I use every morning hehe

This trip I got to hang out with a couple fellow gringos I've known over the years. One I met over 10 years ago with both of us being Medellin newbies back then. Now, he's got Colombian permanent residency and even bought a nice apartment out in the northern suburbs. I told him I got there first jajajaja. I don't really get jealous of any gringo in Medellin, but he's probably the only one. And since we're both about same age (early 40's), I got to get to his level soon.

.Forgot to mention, I ventured out once to la Provenza and the party scene was popping. I partied with a fellow ISG member along with a few chicas of course. If you read this, hope you got or will get that 3some my friend!![/QUOTE]As you spend more time in your adopted country, you will learn more about the holidays and which are for parties and others more solemn and family and church oriented. Easter is totally different than Christmas as you just found out and not only this visit but always. Christmas season, the month of December is a happy, joyous and good times everywhere. Other holidays it just depends but those two are the big ones. Keep enjoying your times in your second home and keep learning. There's a lot more to know. You're still an outsider and most likely always will be. Your roots are elsewhere that's why, nothing personal.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2806664]Has anyone of you gone done the rabbit hole on why the women in Colombia so hot? The chance that a woman is hot in Colombia is so high compared to other countries. I've seen cleaners working in malls that 8's or 9's which is something you would never seen in the US. I had a housekeeper in Medellin and she could easily be a MILF porn star in Miami if she wants to. Why?

Here are my 2 cents.

1. Maintenance. Colombian women are definitely spending more time and money in their looks than American women. They workout a lot, walk a lot. Eat less processed food. Plus Colombia in general has less obese people. They would never just put on some PJs and head to the mall. They always well dressed and have make up on.

2. Genetics. This is where I hope one of you has done some studies and is willing to share. Based on what I know, the earlier European settlers were entirely Spanish males, and they married with native women and had mixed children. Many Colombian cities are in valleys so they did not mix with other races until 19th or 20th century. I am not en expert in genealogy, so please share some thoughts.[/QUOTE]I agree with this and to add to this.

3. War-torn Country. After 30+ years of internal war, there was just more women and less men. War thin the herd out on men, men go to war and die meaning there is less competition and more beautiful women getting snatched up. Take a look at Ukraine and Russia.

4. Narco Beauty. Since the 80's there was a seep in culture and if a women wants to have a life, she needs to go and have many surgeries and work out so that she can attract a Narco who will support her and her family. Take a look at the TV series "sin senos si hay paraiso" for further proof. That series is less a drama and more like a documentary!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2806660]Just a caution on trying to figure out who is dangerous by the profile. The ones that are trying to lure "victims" often have the cleanest profile, and a great cover story. Was talking to a guy last night. Found a normal gal on social media, went on 2 or 3 dates, she had a regular job, etc. Then she drugged him and cleaned him out, over 10 grand worth of stuff. Police don't give a shit, unless it becomes an international incident, and then they may. But a tourist / gringo whatever getting drugged is an everyday thing, and the folks here assume you had it coming.[/QUOTE]Thanks Zeos for the reply! Any advice on how to avoid these situations?

Debating on visiting Colombia vs Peru. Where would you find the most 18 yo choices? Any ideas? Also any good websites to find escorts?

[QUOTE=Fiore32;2806796]Thanks Zeos for the reply! Any advice on how to avoid these situations?[/QUOTE]I am sorry to hear about this.

Why does he have over 10 grand of stuff lying around in the apartment.

Or they got his credit cards.

I usually stay at Hotel Dorado they have a bank type of safety deposit boxes.

You have a key and they have one so the 2 keys open it, then they give you your box.

I put my passport, credit cards and cash.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2806878]I am sorry to hear about this.

Why does he have over 10 grand of stuff lying around in the apartment.

Or they got his credit cards.

I usually stay at Hotel Dorado they have a bank type of safety deposit boxes.

You have a key and they have one so the 2 keys open it, then they give you your box.

I put my passport, credit cards and cash.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]The guy was a digital nomad type and had expensive computers for his work, as well as a couple of cellphones. He said he let his guard down as she was basically a girlfriend by that time, although in hindsight obviously not.

1 Mil todo la noche from Seeking.

Met this girl in person back in December. She was stunning but was very very cautious about the type of relationship she was looking for. We had dinner and didn't do anything back then. She kind of had very very high values for herself as she live abroad (not a Dubai hooker or anything) and her English is really good. She speaks multiple languages.

Anyway, she was very coy about what she wanted price-wise. Obviously, she had someone who had money before because she has an iPhone 14. The chemistry seemed ok from talking but her face, it reminded me of this Colombian girl that I wanted to fuck when I was a teenager that I never had a chance to. So obviously this was an opportunity for me to take it out and fulfill that lost fantasy with her.

Fast forward to now, she agreed to come over. However, she shows me a text of an offer from someone else that wanted to give her 1. 8 mil each time they met! I didn't want to spend that much, but ill get to that later. I did a soft non-commitment to that price.

She arrives in the day (the only time she had) wearing a day dress and these military boots (odd fashion combo considering she had on a smoking black dress the last time we met).

Her hair is dyed highlights now but her tits and ass are sort of hidden. I wanted to ask her during that time we met if she had any surgery as she is one of these girls that you can't fully tell if she had work done or not.

We kissed and she was ok. Not too much tongue but enjoyed the lip sucking and she responded very well to neck kisses. I open a bottle of bubbly to loosen us both up. She isn't much of a drinker But sips enough fast enough to make her lose some inhibitions. I tell her lets go to the bed. She goes to the bathroom for what feels like 15 min but doesn't have her phone with her. Odd. Anyway we are on the bed and she asks me "so what do you want?" Like wtf? She wants me to spell it out? I just tell her "everything" I start to kiss on her tits and can finally see these are implants. However later on when she stands up, I can tell she has sort of a botched job. They are the type of implants where they sit sort of like eggplants and the nipple isn't exactly in the right spot. The other nipple is inverted and even when I suck it, it doesn't fully come out. She also has a very big scar from them going in underneath (this is why I recommend girls go in the nipple instead) I get down to her vag and wow! Such a small tight Homer Simpson innie. Also, she has like no contrast in her pussy, it's all one color of light light light pink, almost peach white. She really enjoys the oral and I can feel her pulsing as I hit her g spot with my finger. I move over and have her suck me. She gives an ok BJ BUT that fact I can see her pretty face makes it alright. I instruct her to tongue my balls and she does a much better job at that. We get to missionaries and I put it in BB (she knew I was tested before) ahh it is like a vice grip of a pussy. It takes me a minute to get it all the way in. At first, I didn't want to cum too soon so I had to do a couple of the pull-out and wait. I switch to sideways doggy style but now I look at her ass and can CLEARLY see she has the incision on her as well. Fuck this girl had work done everywhere! Her ass feels ok though sort of jello and real so I'm guessing it was the fat injection thing. I pound some more but I start to realize that even though she is into it, there isn't that natural connection and chemistry I expected. Granted it was the first time but I just knew there wasn't a big spark Like I would expect, ESPECIALLY when paying such a high price tag. I tell her I'm going to finish on her tits and to jerk it as I cum. I shot a huge custard load on her as I haven't nutted in a couple of days. She goes to clean up. I order us food, she plays on her phone. I excuse her and cut her loose a couple of hours early. As we are going tot eh uber I just hand her 1 mil. She doesn't say anything or have time to count it. But I know, never again. I stick to my 200-400 range chicks and get much much better mileage then this franked fuck.

My advice, if you see her, just move on. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2806908]1 Mil todo la noche from Seeking.

Met this girl in person back in December. She was stunning but was very very cautious about the type of relationship she was looking for. We had dinner and didn't do anything back then. I pound some more but I start to realize that even though she is into it, there isn't that natural connection and chemistry I expected. Granted it was the first time but I just knew there wasn't a big spark Like I would expect, ESPECIALLY when paying such a high price tag. I excuse her and cut her loose a couple of hours early. As we are going tot eh uber I just hand her 1 mil. She doesn't say anything or have time to count it. But I know, never again. I stick to my 200-400 range chicks and get much much better mileage then this franked fuck.[/QUOTE]I take it you are trying to say 1 million and not 1 thousand. Two takeaways from your report that I always say; 1. So-called vetting does nothing except waste time and money. 2. The amount you pay has nothing to do with what you get or your satisfaction at the end. Good report.

I made the mistake for not bringing condoms to Colombia. Yesterday I just bought a pack 3 by the brand Today. Not good. Please recommend some a brand / model please. I also saw Durex and Duo. I prefer thin condom, but thicker ones are ok too at this point. Thanks in a million!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2806660]Just a caution on trying to figure out who is dangerous by the profile. The ones that are trying to lure "victims" often have the cleanest profile, and a great cover story. Was talking to a guy last night. Found a normal gal on social media, went on 2 or 3 dates, she had a regular job, etc. Then she drugged him and cleaned him out, over 10 grand worth of stuff. Police don't give a shit, unless it becomes an international incident, and then they may. But a tourist / gringo whatever getting drugged is an everyday thing, and the folks here assume you had it coming.[/QUOTE]About 6 years ago this American dude approached me in Poblado and asked me for money to buy food or food itself. He told me that his apartment was cleaned out, they took everything.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2806743]Don't take my word for it. Experience it yourself.

But what sets MDE apart is these ladies are polite decent people. If you are kind to them, and respect them, then the world is your oyster.[/QUOTE]Now that's an idea. Why don't I try having sex w a Colombian lady. You know, I never thought of that before. Maybe I will try it one day. Thanks for the tip.

Paisas are decent people? Wow, that is a sweeping generalisation. Here we have a forum full of folks that think its too dangerous to step a foot outside the airport, or bring a girl back to their room for fear of being poisoned, yes somehow they are all decent people. Hehe.

[QUOTE=IAmWhatIEat;2806821]Debating on visiting Colombia vs Peru. Where would you find the most 18 yo choices? Any ideas? Also any good websites to find escorts?[/QUOTE]Based on population stats, I would say thT Colombia has about 50% more 18 why / os than Peru. 50% more of every age in fact, but that's based on law of averages. And don't forget that half of those are likely to be male though, but still, a decent-sized number.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2806908] [B]1 Mil[/B] todo la noche from Seeking.

Met this girl in person back in December. She was stunning but was very very cautious about the type of relationship she was looking for. We had dinner and didn't do anything back then. She kind of had very very high values for herself as she live abroad (not a Dubai hooker or anything) and her English is really good. She speaks multiple languages.

Anyway, she was very coy about what she wanted price-wise. Obviously, she had someone who had money before because she has an iPhone 14. The chemistry seemed ok from talking but her face, it reminded me of this Colombian girl that I wanted to fuck when I was a teenager that I never had a chance to. So obviously this was an opportunity for me to take it out and fulfill that lost fantasy with her.

Fast forward to now, she agreed to come over. However, she shows me a text of an offer from someone else that wanted to give her 1. 8 mil each time they met! I didn't want to spend that much, but ill get to that later. I did a soft non-commitment to that price.[/QUOTE]The best breast enhancements go through the arm-pit. There is no obvious scar (unless you are looking in the arm-pits and who does that? There isn't any of those anchor scars or nipple cut scars. The reason few do that is they are more expensive.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2806908] ......Fuck this girl had work done everywhere! Her ass feels ok though sort of jello and real so I'm guessing it was the fat injection thing. I pound some more but I start to realize that even though she is into it, there isn't that natural connection and chemistry I expected. Granted it was the first time but I just knew there wasn't a big spark Like I would expect, ESPECIALLY when paying such a high price tag. I tell her I'm going to finish on her tits and to jerk it as I cum. I shot a huge custard load on her as I haven't nutted in a couple of days. She goes to clean up. I order us food, she plays on her phone. I excuse her and cut her loose a couple of hours early. As we are going tot eh uber I just hand her [B]1 mil[/B]. She doesn't say anything or have time to count it. But I know, never again. I stick to my 200-400 range chicks and get much much better mileage then this franked fuck.

My advice, if you see her, just move on. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your experience. In my opinion (not to criticize you at all, but perhaps to benefit other people) you made several mistakes. You had a dinner with her before, that was a good thing to do. You knew she looked like her pictures, you got to know her a little and you wanted her. All great stuff. But before you spend 1 million [B](not 1 mil which is 1,000 pesos or 0.23 cents US)[/B] you should have had a 1-2 hour session with her for 200 or 300 mil or whatever. That way you would have seen the surgeries and had an experience with her. You would have know if she was worth what she wanted for an overnight date. As it was, you cut her loose early because it just wasn't what you were hoping it would be.

One of "villainy's rules" is that you never do an over-night (toda la noche) or a trip or a trio with a girl you haven't been with before. It will be a lot more expensive and you don't even know if you will enjoy her company sexually. What if she is a total starfish in bed? What is she doesn't like giving oral? What if she has odors down South? What if she is a whiner (dame tu leche baby! What if she plays with her phone even while you are engaged (I. E. You are on top missionary and she is playing with her phone)? These are all things that might be just unacceptable to you and you'll find them out in a shorter session. Think of it as a try-out.

You opened a bottle of bubbly to loosen you both up? You do you, but I would never drink liquor with a girl I've never been with before. She can drink if she wants. I usually have some Baileys available or beer or Tequila or Ron. But it isn't for me. As you get older you will find that you can't perform nearly as well after a few drinks but far more importantly is that you have to be super alert. Read the reports. Every guy who got drugged didn't happen to notice the girl spiking his drink. It is easy, you get distracted for just a few seconds and the next thing you know it is mid-afternoon a day later and you're missing everything of value.

If you are a drinker, either drink alone later or go to the San Peter's bar and drink with a bunch of the gringos there. That's another one of "villainy's rules".

Thanks again for the detailed report. I hope your other adventures work out much better.

Hello,

I am planning a trip to Medellin soon. Not speaking Spanish very well, I thought I would just invite escorts to my hotel / apartment (I did it in Brazil, contact with WhatsApp, outcall, and it worked very well).

To read your previous posts, I have some fears in Colombia on the accommodations and the complications to invite someone (guest friendly issues.).

Regarding escort sites in Medellin I have in mind pasionprepagos, lacelestina or photoprepagos. According to my research with a price for 1 h outcall between 150 k-300 k I could be fine.

Any help or recommendations from experienced punters would be very helpful.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2806878]I am sorry to hear about this.

Why does he have over 10 grand of stuff lying around in the apartment.

Or they got his credit cards.

I usually stay at Hotel Dorado they have a bank type of safety deposit boxes.

You have a key and they have one so the 2 keys open it, then they give you your box.

I put my passport, credit cards and cash.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]What is their guest policy?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2806962]...Two takeaways from your report that I always say; 1. So-called vetting does nothing except waste time and money. ...[/QUOTE]Vetting works in general but it depends on one's criteria. For example, someone may decide not to date a girl with iPhone 14 at all, because where does she get the iPhone from? You get the idea. Also based on his first date, I think it did not go that well. Someone probably would find out that she kissed without tongue during the vetting process. BC maybe blindsided by his childhood desire which is understandable.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2806972]About 6 years ago this American dude approached me in Poblado and asked me for money to buy food or food itself. He told me that his apartment was cleaned out, they took everything.[/QUOTE]Giving money to those beggars just lets them stay in Colombia longer. Same happened to me at Centro. I told him it sad you have no friends or family to give you money and have to approach me. He was a piece of IT. I saw that piece of crap earlier trying to get girls to go with him for 20,000 COP. These guys make us all look bad. Never help them.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2806996]Vetting works in general but it depends on one's criteria. For example, someone may decide not to date a girl with iPhone 14 at all, because where does she get the iPhone from? You get the idea. Also based on his first date, I think it did not go that well. Someone probably would find out that she kissed without tongue during the vetting process. BC maybe blindsided by his childhood desire which is understandable.[/QUOTE]I just can't imagine paying a girl 1 million Pesos for a TLN, especially here in Colombia.

As far as vetting goes, my criteria is if the sex is not good there's no repeat. After that if I repeat, then I will Vet the girl for a TLN and more.

So vetting can pay off depending on your "criteria" as you say and for some is not a waste of time.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2806976]Now that's an idea. Why don't I try having sex w a Colombian lady. You know, I never thought of that before. Maybe I will try it one day. Thanks for the tip.

Paisas are decent people? Wow, that is a sweeping generalisation. Here we have a forum full of folks that think its too dangerous to step a foot outside the airport, or bring a girl back to their room for fear of being poisoned, yes somehow they are all decent people. Hehe.[/QUOTE]MDE is dangerous. Some of the people are poor and some are on drugs. But they aren't evil.

If you don't let your guard down you can pull the women of your dreams here. If that's not worth the possibility of dying then I don't know what is.

If you stay off Tinder, don't do drugs, and don't get stupid drunk then there won't be any problems.

Lastly and most importantly embrace the fact that no one is coming to save you, they can't and they won't. Only you save yourself.

Peace!

[QUOTE=Villainy;2806982]...One of "villainy's rules" is that you never do an over-night (toda la noche) ....[/QUOTE]Although I agree with the rule but the girl wants a lot of money and that can't be negotiated down so you negotiate time instead.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2806908]1 Mil todo la noche from Seeking.

.....

My advice, if you see her, just move on. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.[/QUOTE]You say 1 Mil, which is 1000. I'm guessing you meant a million? Which still would be high for toda la noche.

[QUOTE=Khondjii;2806986]Hello,

I am planning a trip to Medellin soon. Not speaking Spanish very well, I thought I would just invite escorts to my hotel / apartment (I did it in Brazil, contact with WhatsApp, outcall, and it worked very well).

To read your previous posts, I have some fears in Colombia on the accommodations and the complications to invite someone (guest friendly issues.).

Regarding escort sites in Medellin I have in mind pasionprepagos, lacelestina or photoprepagos. According to my research with a price for 1 h outcall between 150 k-300 k I could be fine.

Any help or recommendations from experienced punters would be very helpful.[/QUOTE]I'd stick to the Casas during the day. Read the strings here on a place called the Mansion. There is a bar beside there with lots of girls after 9 pm. Find a love motel in Laureles and bring the chica there. Watch your ass. Always Check 6. Have a throw away wallet with some cash in it and hide money or credit cards in your shoes and socks. If the shit goes down say tranquillo give them your throw away wallet and get the eff out of there. Do not fight. I say again do not fight. Don't bring chicas to the place you have your passport and bankroll. Lay low. Don't be flashy. Stop saying you don't speak Spanish and start saying I'm learning Spanish. Spanish will save your ass.

Equals out to be about $23. A white cabbie, trip took over 40 minutes through multiple tolls. 98 k too much for that trip? Mind you Capital one did not switch my bank accts like I asked and I had no way to get to my vacation money so had to wire some to the normal acct. Had a bad night so just wanted to get to my Airbnb. Of course 15 minutes after walking through the door a facebook paisa is knocking on my door I forgot about meeting her when all I wanted to do was go to sleep as I flew over 12 hours. I still did the deed but damn was I tired and struggle to fire away. So wondering if I got ripped off or not.

A report for my first day here in Medellin. I'm staying in Laureles which had rules and I quote "Absolutely no sex tourism". I read that ater I already booked and too late for money back. There's a door guard I just keep the girls away from. I tell them to park down the street as my apartment is on first floor and can walk by him quite easily without him noticing. However, I did pay for 2 guests in case anyone asks. The fee for the extra guest was $0.

Met a facebook girl, she lives with her dog alone if you know that you know her. Pretty, 26. We chatted a bit but I got frustrated with my broken Spanish so whipped out google translate. Started with her asking for music, than we started dancing, which led her grinding on me. I took her clothes off slowly while she was grinding (all while wishing I could just lay the fuck down and fall asleep) She than got on her knees and gave me head. I pulled her to the bed and told her (via translate) that must have been hurting her knees. Felt like forever for me to get hard, but finally I flip her around for doggy. Pussy wasn't the tightest (I don't have the biggest dick either) but wasn't lose and could "feel things in there". Got hot and bored with doggy so flipped her around and went missionary. She began kissing me and all the GFE really started to wake me up. As was were making out I cip, but as I was slowing down she looked down and saw it all leaking and pulled my ass into her to force me to keep going. (OMFG can I please just go to bed) is ALL I'm thinking now. Again I slow down and try to pull out and again she looks down, smiles, kisses me and pushes me into her. At this point I'm fucking pissed so I just start railing her like no tomorrow with a mean look on my face. She got the point after 45 seconds of that. I got to pull out (YEY! And started to get dressed. She asked for some aqua, yea sure no problem, run the sink and she wants fride water. Told her I literally just walked in the door before her no fucking FRIDGE water! Tap only. She took the tap. Spoke a bit, told me how much she liked me and how she wants to see me again soon blah blah blah what they tell every monger for more $$ She tells me she works at subway. Great bye. Her taxi finally arrived thank god. 250 mil plus taxi ended up coming to 300 k plus taxi for sin condom. She told me she needed to get the pill, yea whatever. Like your not already on it (is what I thought) with most mongers preferring BBFS and probably CIP lets be real here.

Woke up around my usual time in the states for work, 6 am, open my phone with 22 missed fb msgs and half a dozen what's app messages. This is why we come down here right. After getting loss earlier trying to walk to unicentro shopping mall, a bit scary as I went over that Medellin river bridge and noticed a change in the environments and peoples vibe, so turned around and found my way back after 2 hours of walking. (Too affraid to pull out phone for google maps) No thanks, I'll find my way eventually, too many people out and NO ONE on phones. So after memorizing google maps from my laptop, I finally made it, took about 15 mintes of walking. Witnessed a motor bike accident on my way. No one ran to help the guy, I came close before I realized A. No one else is helping and be. I am in a foreign country alone for the 1st time, so I elected to keep it moving. UniCentro Mall is fucking huge! Holy shit, and clean. I felt safe taking out my phone as there are guards everywhere. Hit the ATM up and got whacked with a 4166 Exchange rate but fuck it after what I been through last night. Forgot the ATM but if anyone is curious I will go back tomorrow to report. Bought some food with my broken Spanish, a Colombian sim for 14 days (the duration of this trip) and some corner store chicken. After, I met up with another facebook girl, who was mad chill and wicked cool, GFE right in the middle of the street before even getting her to my spot. WOW, she looked at me and said mi gusta Amor! I said lets goooooooo! We held hands and looked at each other smiling while walking to my Airbnb. I'm exhausted but will finish the report on her later. I need a nap.

I must say though, I feel bad for some of these girls. Almost every one of them can be in a sports illustrated magazine and will make a usa whale kill herself. Yet the usa fat whales are in better places than these sweet, beautiful woman. I told my wife if it doesn't work out between us I'm taking the kids to Colombia after they learn Spanish. My wife is also Spanish but Puerto Rican not Colombian. I should also note I do tend to "fit in" here in Colombia due to my skin complexion. A get a lot of que? Noooo? When they learn I have bad Spanish. Than I get the No eres colombiano? After I say no mulatto black and white they again don't believe me and tell me I'm Colombian. I'm pretty much done with the convo by now and trying to wrap things up. I bring it up because I notice the gringo tax applies to not just gringos but to all who cannot speak Spanish. This country has a lot of potential and is a great retirement place for us men if they didn't tax our retirement funds 15% on top of the us tax as well. My next two goals tomorrow is to walk to el centro and try to find a cute streetwalker (I 'm using World Travel69 map). Than onto the grocery store to buy some goodies for my guests. Any big grocery stores anyone know of around Laureles? Closest one I found is about 30 minutes south driving. A Price chopper. I'm done rambling, stay safe guys, watch those drinks, I see how easy it is to get caught up and walk away from your guest, I've done it way too many times and I only had 2. I left my phone, some money on the bed next to them they could have easily taken, lucky thy didn't. They both were sweethearts although.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807022]I'd stick to the Casas during the day. Read the strings here on a place called the Mansion. There is a bar beside there with lots of girls after 9 pm. Find a love motel in Laureles and bring the chica there. Watch your ass. Always Check 6. Have a throw away wallet with some cash in it and hide money or credit cards in your shoes and socks. If the shit goes down say tranquillo give them your throw away wallet and get the eff out of there. Do not fight. I say again do not fight. Don't bring chicas to the place you have your passport and bankroll. Lay low. Don't be flashy. Stop saying you don't speak Spanish and start saying I'm learning Spanish. Spanish will save your ass.[/QUOTE]I echo everything DondeSea says, and would personally recommend you use this along with a throw away wallet. Make sure you keep some cash in your throw away wallet to keep the thieves satisfied.

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Yeah, live and learn. I've been in Medellin during Semana Santa a few times before, but never really hit up the barrios to have paisa family get togethers like this trip. The good thing is one can still party in the apartment or go out to any bar / club in the Poblado / Laureles / Envigado areas. Even the barrio nightlife is still popping a bit, but nowhere near Christmas / New Years. I enjoyed reading your story about discovering Colombia back in the 1970's, you're a true OG! If I had a time machine, what a world it was back then, for better and worse.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2806776]As you spend more time in your adopted country, you will learn more about the holidays and which are for parties and others more solemn and family and church oriented. Easter is totally different than Christmas as you just found out and not only this visit but always. Christmas season, the month of December is a happy, joyous and good times everywhere. Other holidays it just depends but those two are the big ones. Keep enjoying your times in your second home and keep learning. There's a lot more to know. You're still an outsider and most likely always will be. Your roots are elsewhere that's why, nothing personal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2806778]I agree with this and to add to this.

3. War-torn Country. After 30+ years of internal war, there was just more women and less men. War thin the herd out on men, men go to war and die meaning there is less competition and more beautiful women getting snatched up. Take a look at Ukraine and Russia.

4. Narco Beauty. Since the 80's there was a seep in culture and if a women wants to have a life, she needs to go and have many surgeries and work out so that she can attract a Narco who will support her and her family. Take a look at the TV series "sin senos si hay paraiso" for further proof. That series is less a drama and more like a documentary![/QUOTE]I second this. There aren't enough men to go around, and for the men that are, a lot of them are too macho and physically abusive. It goes a long way just being a nice, normal guy in Latin America.

Narco beauty is a real thing. A lot of women don't think they have many job prospects, but if they get a lot of plastic surgery (which is cheaper in Colombia), hopefully they can pair up with a drug dealer, a rich Colombian, or a Gringo, and their lifestyle is set. My personal favorite is "Sin tetas no hay paraíso". It will really give you a good understanding of the culture in Colombia, especially for young women. The first 21 episodes are on youtube.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807102] Any big grocery stores anyone know of around Laureles? [/QUOTE]You should be able to find Exito nearby or for smaller shopping D1 tiendas.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807022]I'd stick to the Casas during the day. Read the strings here on a place called the Mansion. There is a bar beside there with lots of girls after 9 pm. Find a love motel in Laureles and bring the chica there. Watch your ass. Always Check 6. Have a throw away wallet with some cash in it and hide money or credit cards in your shoes and socks. If the shit goes down say tranquillo give them your throw away wallet and get the eff out of there. Do not fight. I say again do not fight. Don't bring chicas to the place you have your passport and bankroll. Lay low. Don't be flashy. Stop saying you don't speak Spanish and start saying I'm learning Spanish. Spanish will save your ass.[/QUOTE][URL]https://motelibiza.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2806982]
But before you spend 1 million [B](not 1 mil which is 1,000 pesos or 0.23 cents US)[/B] you should have had a 1-2 hour session with her for 200 or 300 mil or whatever. That way you would have seen the surgeries and had an experience with her. You would have know if she was worth what she wanted for an overnight date. As it was, you cut her loose early because it just wasn't what you were hoping it would be.

One of "villainy's rules" is that you never do an over-night (toda la noche) or a trip or a trio with a girl you haven't been with before. It will be a lot more expensive and you don't even know if you will enjoy her company sexually. What if she is a total starfish in bed? What is she doesn't like giving oral? What if she has odors down South? What if she is a whiner (dame tu leche baby! What if she plays with her phone even while you are engaged (I. E. You are on top missionary and she is playing with her phone)? These are all things that might be just unacceptable to you and you'll find them out in a shorter session. Think of it as a try-out.

[/QUOTE]Well-said. This is a one of the best "rules" of this hobby. Don't bargain for long time if you haven't first done a test drive.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807102]Equals out to be about $23. A white cabbie, trip took over 40 minutes through multiple tolls. 98 k too much for that trip? Mind you Capital one did not switch my bank accts like I asked and I had no way to get to my vacation money so had to wire some to the normal acct. Had a bad night so just wanted to get to my Airbnb. Of course 15 minutes after walking through the door a facebook paisa is knocking on my door I forgot about meeting her when all I wanted to do was go to sleep as I flew over 12 hours. I still did the deed but damn was I tired and struggle to fire away. So wondering if I got ripped off or not. [/QUOTE]I believe the standard taxi fee now is 90 mil. That includes the airport exit fee and the tunnel fee. So 98 mil probably included a $1.50 US tip. Not worth a thought.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807102]A report for my first day here in Medellin. I'm staying in Laureles.

After getting loss earlier trying to walk to unicentro shopping mall, a bit scary as [be]I went over that Medellin river bridge[/be] and noticed a change in the environments and peoples vibe, so turned around and found my way back after 2 hours of walking. (Too affraid to pull out phone for google maps) No thanks, I'll find my way eventually, too many people out and NO ONE on phones. So after memorizing google maps from my laptop, I finally made it, took about 15 mintes of walking. [/QUOTE]If you walked down San Juan and crossed the Medellin River bridge you weren't going anywhere near Unicentro. But I think you worked that out yourself based on your comments.

BTW you were smart not to pull out your phone in the middle of the street. That is just begging for trouble. I always remind people visiting for the first time "You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy".

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807102] UniCentro Mall is fucking huge! Holy shit, and clean. I felt safe taking out my phone as there are guards everywhere. Hit the ATM up and got whacked with a 4,166 Exchange rate but fuck it after what I been through last night. [/QUOTE]The exchange rate is 4500 (approximately) right now (or yesterday). If you only received 4,166 then you obviously didn't read the forum very well. You needed to decline the bank rate when it was offered to you. That is the only explanation for you receiving 4,166. Think about it this way. If you pulled 1,000 (US) you would receive 4,500,000 Colombian Pesos. If you accept the bank rate (never do this), you get 4,100,000 Colombian Pesos that is a difference of about 400,000 which is more than enough to have nice meals for most of a week or to have 2 sessions with FB girls or 4 hour long sessions at a decent casa.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807102] I bring it up because I notice the gringo tax applies to not just gringos but to all who cannot speak Spanish. This country has a lot of potential and is a great retirement place for us men [B]if they didn't tax our retirement funds 15% on top of the us tax as well[/B]. Any big grocery stores anyone know of around Laureles? [/QUOTE]First your idea about Colombian taxes is not even close and second even if you did pay some amount of Colombian taxes, it is a direct credit (NOT a deduction) on your US taxes. In other words you would pay the same amount in total. Just some of it would go to Colombia and the rest to the US.

Colombia is a great place to retire. Medellin in particular. Yes it is less expensive than the US but that wasn't my motivation for living here. The climate is fantastic all year round. The coffee is the best in the world. They have fruits and vegetables that aren't available in the US (NO not even in Whole Foods) and their produce is grown all year round so there are no preservatives or artificial colors added. The gun laws are super strict so you are not nearly so likely to get gunned down as in the US. Oh, yeah and the women are beautiful and if you can learn the language to a passable degree you can't believe the amount of women who will make themselves available.

OH and there is a very large Exito grocery store on the ground floor of Unicentro.

[QUOTE=Combo;2807126]Well-said. This is a one of the best "rules" of this hobby. Don't bargain for long time if you haven't first done a test drive.[/QUOTE]I tried that, she wouldn't budge and with her pretty face reminding me of that girl from the past I didn't fuck, this was the closest I was going to get so that is why I bit the bullet. Most girls that ask for this much never get it from me.

400 mil Laura Flaka from seeking.

Ahh this is an old reliable I've been banging during my quarantine time stuck in Bogota in 2020. It's nice to smash something you haven't seen in a while. She is super SUPER skinny and has one of those pussy that takes like a good 3. 23 minutes of drilling to finally open up and get inside.

She has stayed with me a bunch, BB, sleepovers, cream pies, all that.

We get to make out and it's familiar. She doesn't do that much tongue and her BJs are hit or misses. I'm mostly in it for the skinny tight pussy.

We get to business and sure enough, it is just the same way it was. She gets on top and almost cums but I can tell she is tired.

We get to doggy and this is a position I usually finish inside with her because even though she is skinny she has a nice round ass. HOWEVER I'm glad I ask if I can give her a cream pie and says "no tengo plastification!" Haha.

Thanks for the heads up!! Or else I would have plan be ya!

She is a carrer girl now and is giving me the hint she is out of the game. I kinda feel like I banged her soo many times that this will be the last time I see her. It's like going back to your hometown in a way, you might reminisce but it's time to move on forever.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807102]... Any big grocery stores anyone know of around Laureles? Closest one I found is about 30 minutes south driving....[/QUOTE]There is an app called Rappi that you can install and order groceries delivered. If you are near unicentro, the largest one should be Jumob near Suramericana. Or search for Exito, there are several around.

[QUOTE=Giz99;2806994]What is their guest policy?[/QUOTE]You will find the info you are looking for if you simply look at his past posts. It's the 3rd one.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807015]...

If you don't let your guard down you can pull the women of your dreams here....[/QUOTE]Not true in my case and I have been here long enough. LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2807004]I just can't imagine paying a girl 1 million Pesos for a TLN, especially here in Colombia.

As far as vetting goes, my criteria is if the sex is not good there's no repeat. After that if I repeat, then I will Vet the girl for a TLN and more.

So vetting can pay off depending on your "criteria" as you say and for some is not a waste of time.[/QUOTE]It probably is more common than you think. Higher price is here to stay. Partly thank to you. LOL.

[QUOTE=Khondjii;2806986]...
To read your previous posts, I have some fears in Colombia on the accommodations and the complications to invite someone (guest friendly issues.).

Regarding escort sites in Medellin I have in mind pasionprepagos, lacelestina or photoprepagos. According to my research with a price for 1 h outcall between 150 k-300 k I could be fine.

Any help or recommendations from experienced punters would be very helpful.[/QUOTE]I will give you enough hint so you can do your homework. Some are more reliable than others and you should be ale to figure out which is more reliable by reading the forum and contacting them. If the price point is still below 300 K, then it is not bad because the taxi is included for the high price ones and they don't flake, That almost makes it a better deal than some FB girls for newbies.

San Peter Apartments will be a reliable place that you can get outcall to come with more security.

[QUOTE=Fiore32;2806796]... Any advice on how to avoid these situations?[/QUOTE]Not an advice, but I think you can look up MiamiBoy's posts in the Stupid Shit thread. I think you two are similar based on your description, younger, handsome and he uses seeking. He left some nuggets there.

There is a Carulla and a Euromarket on Avenida Nutibara near the Starbucks on Avenida 74 b aka "Jardin".

[QUOTE=Nounce;2807146]There is an app called Rappi that you can install and order groceries delivered. If you are near unicentro, the largest one should be Jumob near Suramericana. Or search for Exito, there are several around.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Giz99;2806994]What is their guest policy?[/QUOTE]It's Chica friendly.

I book for 2 persons.

I let them have the Chica cedula.

There is a bar on the 12th floor.

The sight is amazing, the chicas takes a lot of pictures.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2807137]I believe the standard taxi fee now is 90 mil. That includes the airport exit fee and the tunnel fee. So 98 mil probably included a $1.50 US tip. Not worth a thought.

If you walked down San Juan and crossed the Medellin River bridge you weren't going anywhere near Unicentro. But I think you worked that out yourself based on your comments.

BTW you were smart not to pull out your phone in the middle of the street. That is just begging for trouble. I always remind people visiting for the first time "You're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy".

The exchange rate is 4500 (approximately) right now (or yesterday). If you only received 4,166 then you obviously didn't read the forum very well. You needed to decline the bank rate when it was offered to you. That is the only explanation for you receiving 4,166. Think about it this way. If you pulled 1,000 (US) you would receive 4,500,000 Colombian Pesos. If you accept the bank rate (never do this), you get 4,100,000 Colombian Pesos that is a difference of about 400,000 which is more than enough to have nice meals for most of a week or to have 2 sessions with FB girls or 4 hour long sessions at a decent casa.

First your idea about Colombian taxes is not even close and second even if you did pay some amount of Colombian taxes, it is a direct credit (NOT a deduction) on your US taxes. In other words you would pay the same amount in total. Just some of it would go to Colombia and the rest to the US.

Colombia is a great place to retire. Medellin in particular. Yes it is less expensive than the US but that wasn't my motivation for living here. The climate is fantastic all year round. The coffee is the best in the world. They have fruits and vegetables that aren't available in the US (NO not even in Whole Foods) and their produce is grown all year round so there are no preservatives or artificial colors added. The gun laws are super strict so you are not nearly so likely to get gunned down as in the US. Oh, yeah and the women are beautiful and if you can learn the language to a passable degree you can't believe the amount of women who will make themselves available.

OH and there is a very large Exito grocery store on the ground floor of Unicentro.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the reply concerning the grocery stores. Think I'm going to take a taxi / uber to exito 70 and load up. My 2nd girl was nice enough to have her uber driver drop me off at a small store near my airbnb and told me how to get back. So got some necessities I needed for my 10 am appt tomorrow with another fb girl.

Now I took a nap and better rested allow me to finish my report on FB girl # 2. Took her over 45 minutes to come. Told her to park around the corner from my airbnb to avoid guard. She did unike the last one. She saw me, got out I said her name, she said si, she said my name, si than I walked close to her, with the normal Hola, como estas. I say, Por favor, háblame español como si tuviera 3 años, ya que todavía estoy aprendiendo español. " She laughed, took my hand and we started to walk than she looked at me and pulled me close to her and began making out with me in the middle of the street. WTF, I'm not used to this being from the unidided states of BS america. She says, "mi gusta" I followed with "Mi gusta". I grabbed her hand and led her into the spot. We sat and chatted for a bit via google translate. More kissing, than she asks to take a shower. I said por supuesto. While she was in the shower I closed out on a trade (I'm a daytrader) made $80 yey which should have been $300+ but closed early for the date. She got out shower and I led her to the bedroom. We got on the bed, more DFK clothes come off and she did her best at deep throating but kept gagging. A for effort. Onto the main course, told her to ride me which she did enthusiastically but I noticed she was getting tired and hot after about 15 minutes. So I flipped her to doggy. 10 minutes and now I'm tired. Missionary it is and she seemed like she enjoyed that the most. Sucking on my neck told her to stop before she gives me a hickey. So she started sucking on my nipples, wierd but whatever. 5 minutes later I felt un-normal wetness. I pulled my dick out and we both looked down and OMFG BLOOD. She was so embarrassed she almost started crying. I consoled her and said shower now! She obliged. We showered to get it all off with antibacterial soup. I also smothered my dick with alcohol sanitizer. She said we can continue told her I was all set. She said free next time just pay my taxi. Sorry sorry sorry she said she would never on her period, that I hit something in there and I believe it. I felt something sort of pop, than a gush. So after we sat waiting for her uber, told her I will still pay her as I truly believe she didn't show up on her period. She said next time free. Who knows we will see. But she is a very sweet girl. We started chatting again and she just kept saying sorry you no cum papi. I said not a big deal (knowing in my head I had 7 other unanswered fb messages waiting. She said she would give me a tour of Guadalupe (if I spelled that right) and she wants to make it up to me, she likes me blah blah. After correcting my broken Spanish her driver finally showed. Her uber felt like an eternity to come. She had her uber driver double back and drop me off at the store so I can buy some shit for my next date tomorrow morning. Her pussy was tight, tighter than last date will keep ya'll updated if she lives up to her word. Will hit her up this weekend.

Those of you who knows her she's from up north and has a 6 year old son named Christofer.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2807137]
The exchange rate is 4500 (approximately) right now (or yesterday). If you only received 4,166 then you obviously didn't read the forum very well. You needed to decline the bank rate when it was offered to you. That is the only explanation for you receiving 4,166. Think about it this way. If you pulled 1,000 (US) you would receive 4,500,000 Colombian Pesos. If you accept the bank rate (never do this), you get 4,100,000 Colombian Pesos that is a difference of about 400,000 which is more than enough to have nice meals for most of a week or to have 2 sessions with FB girls or 4 hour long sessions at a decent casa.

First your idea about Colombian taxes is not even close and second even if you did pay some amount of Colombian taxes, it is a direct credit (NOT a deduction) on your US taxes. In other words you would pay the same amount in total. Just some of it would go to Colombia and the rest to the US.

Colombia is a great place to retire. Medellin in particular. Yes it is less expensive than the US but that wasn't my motivation for living here. The climate is fantastic all year round. The coffee is the best in the world. They have fruits and vegetables that aren't available in the US (NO not even in Whole Foods) and their produce is grown all year round so there are no preservatives or artificial colors added. The gun laws are super strict so you are not nearly so likely to get gunned down as in the US. Oh, yeah and the women are beautiful and if you can learn the language to a passable degree you can't believe the amount of women who will make themselves available.

OH and there is a very large Exito grocery store on the ground floor of Unicentro.[/QUOTE]I thought if I decline, it doesn't spit any money at me. It will still give me money if I decline?

Concerning the 15% tax I read that on this site somewhere someone was quoting there Colombian tax person. You know more than me concerning this.

Honestly, if I had to go to Medellin again, I would stay at the mansion. Much safer to bring girls back, no worrying about front desk, there is a security guard that checks ids before they come in. The odds of a girl spiking your drink and cleaning you out there are probably zero. There are girls on site now and a book to choose from. Does anyone know of anyone at the mansion that was drugged and cleaned out. As far as apartments go, I would NEVER rent one in Colombia. Too many risks of everything there.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807213]I thought if I decline, it doesn't spit any money at me. It will still give me money if I decline?

Concerning the 15% tax I read that on this site somewhere someone was quoting there Colombian tax person. You know more than me concerning this.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you decline the bank rate you will still get your money. You will receive the money at the Visa Exchange Rate which is set daily which is a FAR better rate than the bank's offered rate.

Will be heading to Medellin for the first time soon. Only staying a few days. I've read all the useful posts from 11/2022 until now. Plan is to play it safe. During the day, visit popular casas reviewed in this thread interspersed with tourist stuff. At night, go to Fase II and La Isla. Wary of getting scoped, especially after watching this VICE documentary ([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04[/URL]) where it seems that you can get quickly scoped through absorption via mucous membranes like the nose and eyes. Has anyone ever heard of a customer to the popular casas or those clubs getting scoped there? Could a bad chica scope you then lead you out of the casa / club to steal your wealth or is that scenario implausible given how the these businesses are operated?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2806998]Giving money to those beggars just lets them stay in Colombia longer. Same happened to me at Centro. I told him it sad you have no friends or family to give you money and have to approach me. He was a piece of IT. I saw that piece of crap earlier trying to get girls to go with him for 20,000 COP. These guys make us all look bad. Never help them.[/QUOTE]If an American asks you for food in Colombia, things are really bad with him, not so? I find it difficult to refuse a guy food.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2807358]If an American asks you for food in Colombia, things are really bad with him, not so? I find it difficult to refuse a guy food.[/QUOTE]If he is an American in Colombia and in need of food, he needs to visit the US Consulate for assistance in getting back home. I have run into first-world people in Medellin asking for money, or begging, rather. They've gotten in over their heads with the drugs and now they are broke, and probably begging for money so they can buy more drugs. I always give them the same advice. Go see their consulate for a ticket back home. That shuts them down real quick, because that isn't want to hear, but it is the right answer.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807213]I thought if I decline, it doesn't spit any money at me. It will still give me money if I decline?

Concerning the 15% tax I read that on this site somewhere someone was quoting there Colombian tax person. You know more than me concerning this.[/QUOTE]BTW, Unicentro is a fairly small mall.

Some others to check out are Centro Comercial (CC) Santa Fe, CC Tesoro, CC Mayorca and CC Viva.

If you decline the currency exchange, you get the money and your bank does the exchange at a better rate. Depending on your bank, some fees may be charged.

[QUOTE=Norp1054;2807334]Will be heading to Medellin for the first time soon. Only staying a few days. I've read all the useful posts from 11/2022 until now. Plan is to play it safe. During the day, visit popular casas reviewed in this thread interspersed with tourist stuff. At night, go to Fase II and La Isla. Wary of getting scoped, especially after watching this VICE documentary ([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04[/URL]) where it seems that you can get quickly scoped through absorption via mucous membranes like the nose and eyes. Has anyone ever heard of a customer to the popular casas or those clubs getting scoped there? Could a bad chica scope you then lead you out of the casa / club to steal your wealth or is that scenario implausible given how the these businesses are operated?[/QUOTE]I've been to MDE one time, and I've read every post here from 1 to present. I'm going back.

Yes you can get scoped, it's possible. But I think it is rare and you can mitigate the risks to a reasonable level.

I met several girls in MDE and I'm still friends with them on what's ap and I talk to them. I've asked straight up about scope and they say that I'm safe with them and not to worry.

I actually believe that these ladies are my friends. Sure it helps that I pay them handsomely but I mean what benefit do they have of getting my I phone, passport, and $1 k I cash? That doesn't seem worth risking retaliation of my family and an international incident. Stay off Tinder. That's my number 1 advice. Number 2 is be really sweet to these ladies and they will pay it back in spades. I've met incredible ladies and if they like you then it's no condom needed passionate sex. With hugs afterwards.

150 K + 40 K Oral Natural. (she does anal for extra 100 K but it's not my thing).

Wow, I have to say I am surprised that Kathy unretired herself yet again BUT this time rebranded herself PLUS is showing her FACE!

She has been claiming she is 24 since I first saw her in 2015! Wow have I really been fucking her for 8 years!

She still looks amazing. She has the same passion as when I first met her.

She is working out of that hooker hotel acropolis or whatever it is in laurlres.

She sees me is happy and presses me againt the wall and starts kissing me. Ahh She is a fantastic kisser. Soo much passion.

Make my way to her huge tits that still feel soft despite being HUGE bolt ONS. Get down to her kitty it is soo wet and tiny. I suck and lick her clit a little. If I went a litlte more I'm sure she would have orgams but I think she was too sensitive.

My turn and she gives me oral natural (something she only started doing like a year or two ago) and her mouth feels like silk. Zero teeth, lots of sucking sounds and deep throt.

After about 10 min I'm ready to pop so I go to put on the rubber. I get on top and fuck! I'm like already to pop! I HAD to stop. We switch to her FAVORITE positon, which is where she lays stomatch down with her legs together but has a pillow that rest against her pelvic bone and lays on top of that. Something with the motion of fucking and the friction of the pillow gets her off. Feels really amazing. Sofia (werid to call her that) is SUCH a nympo. She then gets on top and REALLY works it. Does the legs on top of my legs and really drills on my cock. But then we get to quatro. Fuck I last like 3 min in that and pull out the rubber and nut on her ass. She runs, gets a warm town and cleans me off. We lay down kissing and hgging and really relaxed.

I talk about her OF and her journy on and off that. She used to have an IG but just recently deleted it as she started seeing clients again in person.

Her OF name is lau. E9 Its not bad. Mostly her with a giant pink translucent dildo, shell cover her face though when she does it. But then will show her tits with face. Bascially she NEVER shows her face and pussy at the same time. Hell sometimes she will just cover her nipples. Its weird.

Anyway I shower, pay and move on. She is always fun and still the BEST working girl in Medellin. RUN don't walk to see this Pretty princess paisa.

P.S. She is now running some telegram group, hit her on whatsapp and ask for it OR if you want to just PM me I can send you the link (not sure if I am allowed to post it here).

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/sofia3007476935[/URL]

300-747-6935.

Be patient with her, if you hit her up too fast she might block you. She doesn't really fuck with people who are too aggressive in the text.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2807455]150 K + 40 K Oral Natural. (she does anal for extra 100 K but it's not my thing).

[/QUOTE]Your inbox is full, bro.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2807367]If he is an American in Colombia and in need of food, he needs to visit the US Consulate for assistance in getting back home. I have run into first-world people in Medellin asking for money, or begging, rather. They've gotten in over their heads with the drugs and now they are broke, and probably begging for money so they can buy more drugs. I always give them the same advice. Go see their consulate for a ticket back home. That shuts them down real quick, because that isn't want to hear, but it is the right answer.[/QUOTE]Anytime an American is in a third world country panhandling he is a mess. Stay away. He is Probably running from something in America. Has warrants who knows. Never give money to panhandlers anywhere in the world. Just taking your wallet out to give them money is risky. I was at Walmart yesterday and this guy was asking for money for gas. The guy was 21 at most. Lazy ass. I wish we ended all welfare in America like Singapore did. They have little poverty. Make people work or starve.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2807458]Your inbox is full, bro.[/QUOTE]Haha really? I just checked it didn't say so.

It's always reassuring to hear about good workers out there. Respect to her for not going overboard with out of proportion fake tits. If she takes her photos from a side angle the colored contact lenses would look more realistic. The lip filler give her face a juicy blow job ready look.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2807455]150 K + 40 K Oral Natural. (she does anal for extra 100 K but it's not my thing).

Wow, I have to say I am surprised that Kathy unretired herself yet again BUT this time rebranded herself PLUS is showing her FACE!

She has been claiming she is 24 since I first saw her in 2015! Wow have I really been fucking her for 8 years!

She still looks amazing. She has the same passion as when I first met her.

She is working out of that hooker hotel acropolis or whatever it is in laurlres.

She sees me is happy and presses me againt the wall and starts kissing me. Ahh She is a fantastic kisser. Soo much passion.

Make my way to her huge tits that still feel soft despite being HUGE bolt ONS. Get down to her kitty it is soo wet and tiny. I suck and lick her clit a little. If I went a litlte more I'm sure she would have orgams but I think she was too sensitive.

My turn and she gives me oral natural (something she only started doing like a year or two ago) and her mouth feels like silk. Zero teeth, lots of sucking sounds and deep throt.

After about 10 min I'm ready to pop so I go to put on the rubber. I get on top and fuck! I'm like already to pop! I HAD to stop. We switch to her FAVORITE positon, which is where she lays stomatch down with her legs together but has a pillow that rest against her pelvic bone and lays on top of that. Something with the motion of fucking and the friction of the pillow gets her off. Feels really amazing. Sofia (werid to call her that) is SUCH a nympo. She then gets on top and REALLY works it. Does the legs on top of my legs and really drills on my cock. But then we get to quatro. Fuck I last like 3 min in that and pull out the rubber and nut on her ass. She runs, gets a warm town and cleans me off. We lay down kissing and hgging and really relaxed.

I talk about her OF and her journy on and off that. She used to have an IG but just recently deleted it as she started seeing clients again in person.

Her OF name is lau. E9 Its not bad. Mostly her with a giant pink translucent dildo, shell cover her face though when she does it. But then will show her tits with face. Bascially she NEVER shows her face and pussy at the same time. Hell sometimes she will just cover her nipples. Its weird.

Anyway I shower, pay and move on. She is always fun and still the BEST working girl in Medellin. RUN don't walk to see this Pretty princess paisa.

P.S. She is now running some telegram group, hit her on whatsapp and ask for it OR if you want to just PM me I can send you the link (not sure if I am allowed to post it here).

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/sofia3007476935[/URL]

300-747-6935.

Be patient with her, if you hit her up too fast she might block you. She doesn't really fuck with people who are too aggressive in the text.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2807148]Not true in my case and I have been here long enough. LOL.[/QUOTE]Respect.

Everything is subjective as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That said there is no way in the world I'm having NSA sex with ladies this hot in the USA even if I was a multimillionaire (which I'm not.).

I'm convinced that the ladies In Medellin don't know how beautiful they are.

Even if all I did was go to NewLife the ladies there are more enthusiastic and hotter than what I can pull in the states.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2807455]150 K + 40 K Oral Natural. (she does anal for extra 100 K but it's not my thing).

Wow, I have to say I am surprised that Kathy unretired herself yet again BUT this time rebranded herself PLUS is showing her FACE!

She has been claiming she is 24 since I first saw her in 2015! Wow have I really been fucking her for 8 years!

She still looks amazing. She has the same passion as when I first met her.

She is working out of that hooker hotel acropolis or whatever it is in laurlres.

She sees me is happy and presses me againt the wall and starts kissing me. Ahh She is a fantastic kisser. Soo much passion.

Make my way to her huge tits that still feel soft despite being HUGE bolt ONS. Get down to her kitty it is soo wet and tiny. I suck and lick her clit a little. If I went a litlte more I'm sure she would have orgams but I think she was too sensitive.

My turn and she gives me oral natural (something she only started doing like a year or two ago) and her mouth feels like silk. Zero teeth, lots of sucking sounds and deep throt.

After about 10 min I'm ready to pop so I go to put on the rubber. I get on top and fuck! I'm like already to pop! I HAD to stop. We switch to her FAVORITE positon, which is where she lays stomatch down with her legs together but has a pillow that rest against her pelvic bone and lays on top of that. Something with the motion of fucking and the friction of the pillow gets her off. Feels really amazing. Sofia (werid to call her that) is SUCH a nympo. She then gets on top and REALLY works it. Does the legs on top of my legs and really drills on my cock. But then we get to quatro. Fuck I last like 3 min in that and pull out the rubber and nut on her ass. She runs, gets a warm town and cleans me off. We lay down kissing and hgging and really relaxed.

I talk about her OF and her journy on and off that. She used to have an IG but just recently deleted it as she started seeing clients again in person.

Her OF name is lau. E9 Its not bad. Mostly her with a giant pink translucent dildo, shell cover her face though when she does it. But then will show her tits with face. Bascially she NEVER shows her face and pussy at the same time. Hell sometimes she will just cover her nipples. Its weird.

Anyway I shower, pay and move on. She is always fun and still the BEST working girl in Medellin. RUN don't walk to see this Pretty princess paisa.

P.S. She is now running some telegram group, hit her on whatsapp and ask for it OR if you want to just PM me I can send you the link (not sure if I am allowed to post it here).

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/sofia3007476935[/URL]

300-747-6935.

Be patient with her, if you hit her up too fast she might block you. She doesn't really fuck with people who are too aggressive in the text.[/QUOTE]Sweet Jesus this lady is gorgeous.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I've been to MDE one time, and I've read every post here from 1 to present. I'm going back.

Number 2 is be really sweet to these ladies and they will pay it back in spades. I've met incredible ladies and if they like you then it's no condom needed passionate sex. With hugs afterwards.[/QUOTE]You hit it on the head with that They actually prefer sin condon if or when they like you. With a little game this can happen on the 1st date, but definitely 2nd, 3rd.

I would add sprinkle in a little game despite your paying. If I can manage to pull it off with my broken Spanish I'm confident anyone can on these ladies. One of my dates today (after the date) kept calling for me every-time I would walk away from her (freeze out) than with one of her high horse stories I (neg) her, game works wonders on these chicks. I'm seeing her tomorrow for half the price and she wants to see me everyday before she goes to school. We'll see about that.

Saw 2 more fb girls today that's been hounding me for $$ I wanted to see the street action in el centro today but didn't get the chance as girl # stayed a long time chit chatting and dancing with me. We'll call her girl #1. She's hands down my favorite and I'm seeing her tomorrow. Told me she was surprised how much fun she had blah blah blah and tomorrow half the price if she can come back over. Said hell yea. She than said she wants to see me everyday before she goes to university. Told her I don't know about that. Details: She was shy at first. Like it was her first time or something. Offered her some booze to lighten things up but says she doesn't drink. Wow. Ok. She's 26 no kids, live with her parents. I asked if I can give her info out to "friends" I. E. ISG members but she said no. She doesn't do this very often and would like to keep it with just one person. She is the most beautiful woman I have ever saw in person. I couldn't believe she was sitting next to me. Blondish, streaks with black hair, a little thing. I'm only 5-6 a buck 60 so she had to be 5-1 135 lbs approximately. I thought to myself I definitely want to see her again, (before the date even happened) so I began gaming her a bit to see how she responds. Didn't respond well at first due google translate kept fucking up on me and her so the push / pull and my strawberry patches routine didn't go to smoothly. (You can google strawberry patches and the rest of this shit if interested) Offered her some aqua and juice. She took the juice. This is where game began to flourish. I poured her a cup and myself, we sat there talking trying to dissipate her shyness and nervousness. When I drank my juice I put my cup in the sink, poured more into her cup and after she took a sip from her glass, I took a sip directly from the same spot she sipped from. She looked at me, smiled and put both hands on her face and took my phone and says "theirs something about you I like but I don't know what it is yet). It was sipping from her glass.

I put on some reggueton to try and lighten the mood, but she kept taking my phone and turning it off to use google translate. About 15 minutes in, I take her hand from the kitchen area and say vamos. She starts to get nervous I see. So I backstepped and sprinkled more game. Forgot exactly what I said but something along the lines of "I'm going to practice my spanish and if I'm right I get a kiss if I'm wrong I get a push on the shoulder (Kino) she smiled and seem to respond well so I went ahead and purposely said something wrong in spanish, push on the shoulder, a few more push on the shoulder until a kiss. I made sure I was the one to pull away from the kiss. She kept leaning in but I went ahead and did my stupid spanish routine until we were finally making out. Clothes come off, I'm acting like her BF at this point and its working, she's finally letting lose. Clothes comes off and BJ commences, about fucking time! WELL WORTH the wait. She took her time, was gentle (which I like) and sucked on the boys as well. After about 5 minutes of that I had enough and went missionry. She was tight. Wow. I don't think I have a big dick but took me a good 10 minutes to work the whole thing in. We made out while I pounded miss, sucking on her tongue turned her on, noticed her wetness. I tryed to flip her around but she grabbed me and wouldn't let me. Ok whatever. She must be a big fan of romance because she wouldn't stop with the romatic shit, and I'll leave it at that. Flipped her around eventually and finished in doggy. When I told her I was about to finish she speaks dirty, cool, but told her after be careful because speaking dirty during the pull out time is dangerous to us men. She laughed. This girl I shared a vibe unlike the others I've been with. Hard to explain in words but the Chemistry was just there for us. We spoke for a couple hours after the date. All through google translate for the most part. Told her she's going to run late for her university but she said she doesn't care and I didn't mind the company. I get lonely sometimes when I pay them and they leave. Being a Ho is lonely. Speaking of paying I almost forgot to pay her. I payed her literally as she's getting into her uber. She thanks me and off she went, late to her studies. So far girl #1 is my fav. Unfortunately she has plans to move to spain with a family member to finish her studies. She's thinking after this semester's over. Fuck! Told her I wish her the best regardless. Damage was $250 k +taxi. Tomorrow half the price she says.

Girl #2 today was absolutely Loca! Her vice was so tiny I had to ask her how old she was. Even asked for Cedula which she showed me. She's 19. Had a kid at 15, some belly dmg from the kid but hey, whatever. We had some issues with transportation. But she finally arrived. Catfished! She was way darker than the pics on fb and shorter, however she was beautiful so told her to come on in. Called her out on the fb thing, she changed the subject and spoke fast so I let it be. She arrived and I performed the regular routine Estas guapa, bebe, bocadillo, siéntese aquí, and pop open google translate. We have some trouble negotiating a price for sin condon but got the deed done for 300 k plus taxi. She was aggressive for a 19 year old and an experienced vet. Knew exactly what she was doing. She grabbed my hand and brought me to the bedroom, put on reggueton music and began to grind on me. So we danced for a bit, clothes slowly come off. When I say slow I'm talking 15-20 minutes of grinding on me (dry humping me) before I finally said fuck this, and took our clothes off. She put it in, grinded, we were still dancing while fucking. We finally made it on the bed and she still gave a decent BJ even tho I was already hard. About 5 mintues of that I pick her up and put her on the bed. Before I can lay her on her back she starts singing pretty loud and put me on my back and began grinding. She was more into the music than the actual sex. Turnoff for me. But thanshe stopped grinding and began fucking. She finally got into it, maybe partially but showed interest. She got wet and after about 15 minutes of her grinding me I flip her over for doggy. She has a nice sweet ass, didn't last more than 5 minutes in doggy. After, I went to the bathroom for wipes and when I got back she was laying on the bed contemplating her life. She had look on her face like "wtf am I doing right now". I asked if everything was ok and she says yes fine. Gave her a wipe, she wiped than sat in my chair naked, singing to reggueton music for the next 20 minutes. Hmmm. I was almost already dressed but she's still naked. Asked her if she ordered an uber, she totally ignores my question and asks if I smoke. Told her yea but a little late for all that now. She told me she wanted smirnoff. No smirnoff so she settled with water. At this point she finally begins to get dressed (I just wanted her to leave, got sick of all the singing and I had shit to do) After she got dressed, 45 minutes later. She sat back down in the chair and started signing to me now. Told her she listens to too much music as she knows ALL of the lyrics to ALL of the songs which were playing. Asked agian, if she ordered a uber, she told me si. Ok. Where is the uber, ho far away, she says she doesn't know. Now I'm getting pissed. I asked to see the uber app but she than ass if any taxis are around this area, told her yea and where and she said ok. Mind you it was dark out with barely any streetlights on, she's in a little school girl outfit in a mini-dress. She than says she's going to flag down a cab. Told her not without me your not. She tells me how she's not affraid of the streets and starts punching as if she's beating someone up if they mess with her. This girl can't be more than 125 lbs, no more than 5', she's not beating anyone up. So I walk her to my end of the street and immedeitley all the guys in the area began starring at her. I'm like shit I think I'm more affraid than she is as she starts singing. WTF, does she not see what's happening right no. We spot a cab THANK GOD I think and she flags it down, but the thing whizzed by us PUTA! She than says Ciao that she's going to walk down the street to find another cab. Gave her a kiss and said gooodluck and went back to my air bnb to write this report. Loca girl #2.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I've been to MDE one time, and I've read every post here from 1 to present. I'm going back.

Yes you can get scoped, it's possible. But I think it is rare and you can mitigate the risks to a reasonable level.

I met several girls in MDE and I'm still friends with them on what's ap and I talk to them. I've asked straight up about scope and they say that I'm safe with them and not to worry.

I actually believe that these ladies are my friends. Sure it helps that I pay them handsomely but I mean what benefit do they have of getting my I phone, passport, and $1 k I cash? That doesn't seem worth risking retaliation of my family and an international incident. Stay off Tinder. That's my number 1 advice. Number 2 is be really sweet to these ladies and they will pay it back in spades. I've met incredible ladies and if they like you then it's no condom needed passionate sex. With hugs afterwards.[/QUOTE]You can believe whatever you want. Getting scoped is not at all rare. More guys that I know have been scoped than have not. So do your math. Yes, you can minimize the risk by lots of the things mentioned in this forum, so yes, no need to tremble in fear.

As far as what they get. When the drug someone they don't know exactly what they are going to get. Sometimes it is less, sometimes more. But the things you mention make it well worth their while. And it becoming an international incident is extremely rare. Only when someone dies, and then only rarely. Only 1 has become an international incident in the last year, that I am aware of, and at least 30 others have died, and in Colombia there are tens of thousands of hospital visits by victims of scopolamine. So yes, most survive. Many never receive medical attention, they just wake up after a couple of days and try to piece together what happened.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I've been to MDE one time, and I've read every post here from 1 to present. I'm going back.

Yes you can get scoped, it's possible. But I think it is rare and you can mitigate the risks to a reasonable level.

I met several girls in MDE and I'm still friends with them on what's ap and I talk to them. I've asked straight up about scope and they say that I'm safe with them and not to worry.

I actually believe that these ladies are my friends. Sure it helps that I pay them handsomely but I mean what benefit do they have of getting my I phone, passport, and $1 k I cash? That doesn't seem worth risking retaliation of my family and an international incident. Stay off Tinder. That's my number 1 advice. Number 2 is be really sweet to these ladies and they will pay it back in spades. I've met incredible ladies and if they like you then it's no condom needed passionate sex. With hugs afterwards.[/QUOTE]Reading about how not to get scoped and actually doing the things not to get scoped are worlds apart amigo. I read nd was like yea I got this when I get down there. And I can't tell you how many times I walked away from my drink to take a piss, or do a favor for my girl or whatever. The reality is its too easy to get scoped in real life. As opposed reading the dos and don'ts on a forum. Also, 3 of the 4 girls I was with had my cell phone at some point. Hell, just an hour ago my date walked out my place with my cell phone. When she did she saw me jump and heard my footsteps and immediately came back in. I walked over and calmly grabbed my cell phone. Just a few examples of someone who thought he knew everything when I could have had my cell phone stolen a bunch of times, I could have been scoped twice (I walked away from my drink at least 6 different occasions but threw the drink out 4 out of the 6 times). Never ever let your guard down, or try your best at least. Thank god we have men like Chicago who shares his horrible story for us to learn from, that dude has balls of steel for sharing such a terrible story.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I've asked straight up about scope and they say that I'm safe with them and not to worry.[/QUOTE]What would one that was planning to scope you say?

[QUOTE=Norp1054;2807334]Could a bad chica scope you then lead you out of the casa / club to steal your wealth or is that scenario implausible given how the these businesses are operated?[/QUOTE]Casa is a brothel. Why would some chica lead you there? If the club you are referring to is a strip-club then again, the same question as before.

Casas are the safest option. Strip-clubs are safe here too though it's a late night partying / drinking situation often with strangers nearby so theoretically some risk. Love motels with good security are secure option too.

Read more of the forum, it's been written about.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I actually believe that these ladies are my friends. Sure it helps that I pay them handsomely but I mean what benefit do they have of getting my I phone, passport, and $1 k I cash? [/QUOTE]I cannot believe I just read this, especially the "friends" part. No commentary is necessary.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]That doesn't seem worth risking retaliation of my family and an international incident. [/QUOTE]What international incident? You'd be just other gringo that's been cleaned out, one of many (and "got what he deserved" according to many locals police included). Maybe if they mess up the dose and kill you, dump your body in a dumpster and your family would make a fuss about it, then it would make the international news. But what would it matter to you at that point, being dead and all. Sorry for being graphic but you seem to be too trusting.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]Sure it helps that I pay them handsomely [/QUOTE]It helps in making you a bigger target.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I actually believe that these ladies are my friends.... I pay them [/QUOTE]Something to think about.

Back to everybodys fave subject. I am flying in to mde from pty with a 11:44 am departure, a connection from the usa. When is the earliest time I can do the check mig? 48 hrs before? 24 hrs before? Does it matter when my 1st flight leaves the usa? Gracias amigos.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2807535]You can believe whatever you want. Getting scoped is not at all rare. More guys that I know have been scoped than have not. So do your math. Yes, you can minimize the risk by lots of the things mentioned in this forum, so yes, no need to tremble in fear.

As far as what they get. When the drug someone they don't know exactly what they are going to get. Sometimes it is less, sometimes more. But the things you mention make it well worth their while. And it becoming an international incident is extremely rare. Only when someone dies, and then only rarely. Only 1 has become an international incident in the last year, that I am aware of, and at least 30 others have died, and in Colombia there are tens of thousands of hospital visits by victims of scopolamine. So yes, most survive. Many never receive medical attention, they just wake up after a couple of days and try to piece together what happened.[/QUOTE]I don't know everything. I appreciate the fair warning. I'm pretty street smart and I'the like to say that I'the see it coming.

But it could happen to me, and I admit it. If it does I'm not crying to the Police because I'm the dumb Gringo that caused my own problems.

It's baffling that people are willing to kill somebody for a couple grand.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2807535]You can believe whatever you want. Getting scoped is not at all rare. More guys that I know have been scoped than have not. So do your math. Yes, you can minimize the risk by lots of the things mentioned in this forum, so yes, no need to tremble in fear.[/QUOTE]I'll quote Youtube's DC Born Rob, "Anyone can get got. " All one has to do is lower their guard for a moment. Risks can be greatly minimized by keeping your drink in front of you at all times, though you'll be having conversations and can't constantly stare at it. I met a guy in New Life who has a virtually risk free plan. He drinks only bottled water and screws the cap back on after every sip. Of course his plan involves never leaving the bottle unattended.

One can also do all their sex at the casas. You aren't going to get drugged there. Those places are primarily for locals and it's just not how they play the game. Also if you must see independents, use Love Motels. Take nothing with you but a cheap phone and the money for the room and the girl. Thieves want to come to your residence where they hope to find high end electronics, stashes of cash, and credit cards. Girls under no circumstances are invited to my hotel. I'm aware of the positives but for me the negatives outweigh them. For one thing they have you by the balls, and know they can shake down, extort, make unreasonable demands or whatever and you're very likely to appease them as you don't want trouble where you sleep.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2807535]You can believe whatever you want. Getting scoped is not at all rare. More guys that I know have been scoped than have not. So do your math. Yes, you can minimize the risk by lots of the things mentioned in this forum, so yes, no need to tremble in fear.

As far as what they get. When the drug someone they don't know exactly what they are going to get. Sometimes it is less, sometimes more. But the things you mention make it well worth their while. And it becoming an international incident is extremely rare. Only when someone dies, and then only rarely. Only 1 has become an international incident in the last year, that I am aware of, and at least 30 others have died, and in Colombia there are tens of thousands of hospital visits by victims of scopolamine. So yes, most survive. Many never receive medical attention, they just wake up after a couple of days and try to piece together what happened.[/QUOTE]A girl I knew and thought was my friend spent months messaging me thru whatsapp only to try to scope me in my own fucking house on the very first day of my arrival on my last trip.

You don't know who you are dealing with even if you think that you know them. And letting your guard down because they tell you that you are safe with them or because they fuxk you sin condon bro you are fucking delusional. My best advice to you is to keep a set of rules that make it so you can't be scoped and never break those rules regardless of who you are with even if it's a chick you have known for 20 years.

Thank God that in my case I noticed the attempted scoping and foiled it, but the ***** still managed to steal some of my electronics.

I seriously doubt that after months she can remember the pathways and staircases thru my barrio how to get to my house but it still, to this day, bothers me that someone I believed I could trust would attempt to do this to me.

Anyways since the incident I became more selective of whom I invite over and I implement various rules to prevent scoping even being a possibility and sometimes I even set traps to see if they will fall for them or not.

Anyways you can believe whatever you want to believe but I think scoping is very common especially in medellin more so than in Bogota or cucuta or other cities and you need to be on the defense especially if you bring them back to your place.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2807535]You can believe whatever you want. Getting scoped is not at all rare. More guys that I know have been scoped than have not. So do your math. Yes, you can minimize the risk by lots of the things mentioned in this forum, so yes, no need to tremble in fear.

As far as what they get. When the drug someone they don't know exactly what they are going to get. Sometimes it is less, sometimes more. But the things you mention make it well worth their while. And it becoming an international incident is extremely rare. Only when someone dies, and then only rarely. Only 1 has become an international incident in the last year, that I am aware of, and at least 30 others have died, and in Colombia there are tens of thousands of hospital visits by victims of scopolamine. So yes, most survive. Many never receive medical attention, they just wake up after a couple of days and try to piece together what happened.[/QUOTE]Don't bring working girls to your hotel / airbnb and you greatly reduce your chances of getting scop'd and robbed.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2807547]What international incident? You'd be just other gringo that's been cleaned out, one of many (and "got what he deserved" according to many locals police included). Maybe if they mess up the dose and kill you, dump your body in a dumpster and your family would make a fuss about it, then it would make the international news. But what would it matter to you at that point, being dead and all. Sorry for being graphic but you seem to be too trusting.

It helps in making you a bigger target.

Something to think about.[/QUOTE]Don't be too critical. He is aware of the risks. He has some girls he has known for a while, and considers them friends and trusts them.

I think the main take-away is that if you are visiting, you simply don't expose yourself by having drinks with the girl in your room. Maybe if you have an on-going friendship with a girl you can get to a place of trust but the idea is not to be naive about it.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2807545]I cannot believe I just read this, especially the "friends" part. No commentary is necessary.[/QUOTE]A lot. 1 k cash and iPhone is a lot in Colombia. BTW these girls are not your friends. Your paying them remember. Always remember that. I've had girls tell me they love me after a couple sessions with them. They are good at their job.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2807541]Casa is a brothel. Why would some chica lead you there? If the club you are referring to is a strip-club then again, the same question as before.

Casas are the safest option. Strip-clubs are safe here too though it's a late night partying / drinking situation often with strangers nearby so theoretically some risk. Love motels with good security are secure option too.

Read more of the forum, it's been written about.[/QUOTE]The scenario I have in mind is a chica who works at the casa or strip club scopes you then leads you out, e. G. One you session with.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2807575]Back to everybodys fave subject. I am flying in to mde from pty with a 11:44 am departure, a connection from the usa. When is the earliest time I can do the check mig? 48 hrs before? 24 hrs before? Does it matter when my 1st flight leaves the usa? Gracias amigos.[/QUOTE]Be sure to get your passport number correct, something I fucked up on and gave me issues in Bogota.

Take a screen shot of your completed mig form, print the screenshot out. Make at least 2 copies, along with copies of your passport. Don't expect check-mig to e-mail you even though it says it does. Take copies with you to Colombia and you will be good.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2807575]Back to everybodys fave subject. I am flying in to mde from pty with a 11:44 am departure, a connection from the usa. When is the earliest time I can do the check mig? 48 hrs before? 24 hrs before? Does it matter when my 1st flight leaves the usa? Gracias amigos.[/QUOTE]You can do it 3 days prior. Everything I've read is it's best to do it 24 hours prior. See all the threads on the Check Mig in the past 60 days. Some people have zero issues. I had major issues because I never received the email. Looking forward I'm just using I Visa. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2807594]A girl I knew and thought was my friend spent months messaging me thru whatsapp only to try to scope me in my own fucking house on the very first day of my arrival on my last trip.

You don't know who you are dealing with even if you think that you know them. And letting your guard down because they tell you that you are safe with them or because they fuxk you sin condon bro you are fucking delusional. My best advice to you is to keep a set of rules that make it so you can't be scoped and never break those rules regardless of who you are with even if it's a chick you have known for 20 years.

Thank God that in my case I noticed the attempted scoping and foiled it, but the ***** still managed to steal some of my electronics.

I seriously doubt that after months she can remember the pathways and staircases thru my barrio how to get to my house but it still, to this day, bothers me that someone I believed I could trust would attempt to do this to me..[/QUOTE]The truth hurts and as much as I hate to admit it I'm being delusional and you are right.

I'm reconsidering going to Colombia based on your post.

I have this stupid thought that me and a chica could hang out and trust each other.

I would never steal from anyone that's just not how I roll.

These chicas and gangs are going to scope the wrong gringo one day and it's going to be ugly.

I just don't understand why the need to scope me. Shit I will make it worth their while and come back with friends. It just seems bad for business.

Thanks for telling me the truth.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2807594]A girl I knew and thought was my friend spent months messaging me thru whatsapp only to try to scope me in my own fucking house on the very first day of my arrival on my last trip.

You don't know who you are dealing with even if you think that you know them. And letting your guard down because they tell you that you are safe with them or because they fuxk you sin condon bro you are fucking delusional. My best advice to you is to keep a set of rules that make it so you can't be scoped and never break those rules regardless of who you are with even if it's a chick you have known for 20 years.

Thank God that in my case I noticed the attempted scoping and foiled it, but the ***** still managed to steal some of my electronics.

I seriously doubt that after months she can remember the pathways and staircases thru my barrio how to get to my house but it still, to this day, bothers me that someone I believed I could trust would attempt to do this to me.

Anyways since the incident I became more selective of whom I invite over and I implement various rules to prevent scoping even being a possibility and sometimes I even set traps to see if they will fall for them or not..[/QUOTE]Could you share your rules for us?

It's crazy because I was texting a couple of girls via WhatsApp months before my arrival, and though I didn't meet up with all of them I did let my guard down and trust them. Thanks for this post to wake me back up to reality that it's only about the money with these bitches.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2807594]A girl I knew and thought was my friend spent months messaging me thru whatsapp only to try to scope me in my own fucking house on the very first day of my arrival on my last trip.

You don't know who you are dealing with even if you think that you know them. And letting your guard down because they tell you that you are safe with them or because they fuxk you sin condon bro you are fucking delusional. My best advice to you is to keep a set of rules that make it so you can't be scoped and never break those rules regardless of who you are with even if it's a chick you have known for 20 years.

Thank God that in my case I noticed the attempted scoping and foiled it, but the ***** still managed to steal some of my electronics.

I seriously doubt that after months she can remember the pathways and staircases thru my barrio how to get to my house but it still, to this day, bothers me that someone I believed I could trust would attempt to do this to me.

Anyways since the incident I became more selective of whom I invite over and I implement various rules to prevent scoping even being a possibility and sometimes I even set traps to see if they will fall for them or not.

Anyways you can believe whatever you want to believe but I think scoping is very common especially in medellin more so than in Bogota or cucuta or other cities and you need to be on the defense especially if you bring them back to your place.[/QUOTE]Did she also steal your brand new shower head and a saw? LOL. You brought her over to your place, which has no security / reception / cameras, but has a bunch of electronics, what did you expect? I have said this before, if you come to Medellin, pay a bit more for a decent place with security and strict visitor policy, and you will be just fine.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807436]I actually believe that these ladies are my friends. Sure it helps that I pay them handsomely.[/QUOTE]Some friends you must have. One thing I have never had to do is pay a friend; especially not handsomely.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2807575]Back to everybodys fave subject. I am flying in to mde from pty with a 11:44 am departure, a connection from the usa. When is the earliest time I can do the check mig? 48 hrs before? 24 hrs before? Does it matter when my 1st flight leaves the usa? Gracias amigos.[/QUOTE]72 hours prior to your flight.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807583]I don't know everything. I appreciate the fair warning. I'm pretty street smart and I'the like to say that I'the see it coming.

But it could happen to me, and I admit it. If it does I'm not crying to the Police because I'm the dumb Gringo that caused my own problems.

It's baffling that people are willing to kill somebody for a couple grand.[/QUOTE]A couple grand is enough to support a family for 4-6 months.

[QUOTE=Norp1054;2807698]The scenario I have in mind is a chica who works at the casa or strip club scopes you then leads you out, e. G. One you session with.[/QUOTE]Those places do not work like that. I guess you need to go to see. Everyone would wonder where she is going and especially where she is going with the customer. Usually in a casa you are in a front room and girls will come out one by one to introduce themselves. The manager of the place is right there. Then at the end of the presentation, you tell the manager which one you want then you go back to the room. When you finish you pay and leave and she takes a shower or whatever and goes back with her coworkers. So in a casa a chick is never going to be walking out the same time as the customer.

A strip club is pretty much the same. A chick is not going to change out of her bikini and be walking outside in regular clothes with a customer unless you had paid the place an exorbitant amount for her to leave with you.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807706]The truth hurts and as much as I hate to admit it I'm being delusional and you are right. I'm reconsidering going to Colombia based on your post. I have this stupid thought that me and a chica could hang out and trust each other. I would never steal from anyone that's just not how I roll. These chicas and gangs are going to scope the wrong gringo one day and it's going to be ugly. I just don't understand why the need to scope me. Shit I will make it worth their while and come back with friends. It just seems bad for business. Thanks for telling me the truth.[/QUOTE]You sound like the guy Dublin12 in the Cartagena thread some time ago that swore if he paid a chick good she would stay with him an entire week and he would have no problems. Because like you said, why would they do that? He had mongered other places and he had big dreams of Colombia being the same way (as you are imagining.) he refused to listen to us tell him to leave his westernized thinking back home. Well he got there and got ripped off damn near as soon as he landed and learned the hard way. I think he had to get his wife to wire him some money and he said he would never set foot in Colombia again. It was his own fault for thinking he knew how things work in a place he had never been.

[QUOTE=Norp1054;2807698]The scenario I have in mind is a chica who works at the casa or strip club scopes you then leads you out, e. G. One you session with.[/QUOTE]They can't just leave the casa, they have to stay until the end of their shift. You could potentially leave with the strip-club girl but then security is your responsibility, just session on site so you don't have to worry about it. Establishments know the girls real names and addresses, so it's risky for girls to play bad (unlike a rando from tinder, fb or a street).

[QUOTE=Villainy;2807677]Don't be too critical. He is aware of the risks. He has some girls he has known for a while, and considers them friends and trusts them.

I think the main take-away is that if you are visiting, you simply don't expose yourself by having drinks with the girl in your room. Maybe if you have an on-going friendship with a girl you can get to a place of trust but the idea is not to be naive about it.[/QUOTE]DondeSea72 states "I've been to MDE one time, and I've read every post here from 1 to present". And he has learned nothing but acting as if he knows something.

One visit and a bunch of texting makes people trusted friends? But he has to pay these friends "handsomely". I have never paid a friend to be my friend. FYI Trust and respect are earned and it takes time to earn these things unlike trophies now handed out for anything and everything.

The fool talks about family retaliation and international news. Delusional in who he thinks he is.

The reason guys are critical is his safety. That is the take away you missed. Your politically correct BS will not help him other than his feelings. Thank goodness you are here to save people's feelings.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2807575]Back to everybodys fave subject. I am flying in to mde from pty with a 11:44 am departure, a connection from the usa. When is the earliest time I can do the check mig? 48 hrs before? 24 hrs before? Does it matter when my 1st flight leaves the usa? Gracias amigos.[/QUOTE]You can register anytime during the two calendar days prior to your departure from Panama, and the day of your departure. The web site says 72 hours before departure, but that isn't correct. In your case, it's approximately 59 hours. The time your flight leaves the USA doesn't matter. When filling out the form, be sure to use the flight number from Panama (probably 502), not from the USA. Select Medellin, Jose Maria Cordova Airport as the city of entry. The country of origin is Estados Unidos. On the second page, it asks if you have a visa for Colombia. Answer "No". Select "Turism" as the reason for entry. I haven't had a problem filling out the form since it was implemented, but others have reported problems.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807499]Sweet Jesus this lady is gorgeous.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah when you see her in person you are like "why the fuck you doing this job and aren't like super famous and why is it soo fucking cheap?

I'm amazed she hasn't raised her prices even. In 2015 I think I paid 130 K to fuck her. Hell I remember when her stomach had some baby damage and she got the surgery to fix it. She always looks amazing and is the #1 prepay to see in this city hands down.

She always tried to leave but comes back. She even had an office job for like 8 months but he inner working girl in her won't let her go. I honeslty think she has fucked like 4,000 men easily. She would work like 5-6 a week seeing 4-5 a day someitmes!!

Yet she is still tight and into it. Just a good old working girl!!

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807706]The truth hurts and as much as I hate to admit it I'm being delusional and you are right.

I'm reconsidering going to Colombia based on your post.

I have this stupid thought that me and a chica could hang out and trust each other.

I would never steal from anyone that's just not how I roll.

These chicas and gangs are going to scope the wrong gringo one day and it's going to be ugly.

I just don't understand why the need to scope me. Shit I will make it worth their while and come back with friends. It just seems bad for business.

Thanks for telling me the truth.[/QUOTE]They don't know what you will do in the future. That is the other side of the coin. If they had money for every client / gringo / whatever you want to call them, that promised love forever they could retire. But we, and I speak from experience, get enamored and may even intend to love some of these girls forever, but it just doesn't work out.

Anyway, the future doesn't count with them. It is now and only now.

Hello.

Last summer I was in Dominican Rupublic and stayed at BlackBeards Adult Resort. A guest there told me that I will find in Medellin a place named "Modeling Hotel Mansion El poblado". Does anyone know this place and can tell me more about it? In Internet I found only "Hotel M (la mansion)" but I'm not sure if he meant this and I did not found what I receive there. Thank you for every help, I will stay some days in Medellin in July.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2807770]They don't know what you will do in the future. That is the other side of the coin. If they had money for every client / gringo / whatever you want to call them, that promised love forever they could retire. But we, and I speak from experience, get enamored and may even intend to love some of these girls forever, but it just doesn't work out.

Anyway, the future doesn't count with them. It is now and only now.[/QUOTE]I think also that these girls are tempted by offers by gangs of a big payday if they do it. Yes, they can make 200-300 mil if they have sex with you but perhaps they can make 1500 mil if the robbery is successful. If you are in need of money and you can make a lot of money if you just put a little of this drug into the gringo's drink, and you don't even have to have sex with the old overweight gringo, it is a tempting offer. There are always other gringo customers that you can get if you are young and attractive.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807583]I don't know everything. I appreciate the fair warning. I'm pretty street smart and I'the like to say that I'the see it coming.

But it could happen to me, and I admit it. If it does I'm not crying to the Police because I'm the dumb Gringo that caused my own problems.

It's baffling that people are willing to kill somebody for a couple grand.[/QUOTE]I don't post enough but had to log in to comment on this. If you're baffled that people are willing to kill somebody for a couple of grand then you are in trouble. A couple of grand in some countries is a small fortune, now think about the minimum wage in Colombia and then think about what the average barrio chica earns compared to that. Think about the economic climate and how desperate people are now think about the fact that when these robberies and scoplomina incidents happen they think they won't get caught and it's easy money.

I have gringo friends who live in Medellin full time with Colombian wives and visit every couple of years and this is the first year I'm hearing my gringo friends tell me to be careful. Three gringo members of the regular Monday night football game have been robbed in the last couple of months. Not sure what it's like on the ground but I'm going in extra cautious this year, hopefully it's just hype but doesn't hurt to keep your guard up, especially during the tought times Colombia is going through right now.

Hey guys,

A little bit about me, I'm in my mid 30's and Spanish is my mother tongue.

After mongering in Mexico city, Guadalajara, Amsterdam and Barcelona I heard about Medellin thanks to this forum. So thank you guys.

I arrived to Medellin more than a year ago. The plan was to stay for a few months but I loved it and I didn't want to leave. During the first 2 months all the girls I met were from SA. I did create a facebook and Colombian cupid without luck. I also went one night to Parque Lleras but I didn't dare to approach any of the girls. I had never done it and I was by myself.

From seeking I met about 10 girls. All of them are petite, slim and 4'8 to 5'5 . From those 10, only one was a "pro" Here is a little bit about them:

1. Juliana (22) 200 K: she was the only girl who I felt was a pro. We met at a bar and she arrived with a translucent blouse and no bra. Kind of embarrassing that my date was showing the tits to everyone. We had a drink and headed to the apartment. She asked me to take a shower, the only girl who asked that. She did not offer BBBJ let alone BBFS or CIY / CIM. She didn't let me kiss her and she didn't like to be touched. She just liked to be fucked hard. Really hard. In general she was cold and it was not a great first experience in Medellin. I did see her one more time because I was feeling lonely.

2. Sandy (20's) 200: I forgot her name. She was new to SA (that's what she said but I believe her) She was from the coast. Her skin was a little darker than in the pictures and in general she did not look as good as in the pictures, a common issue with SA in my experience. She was very passionate and provided a great girlfriend experience. Lots of kisses and lots of hugs. From the first date she did BBJB, BBFS and CIY. Sex was wild and great. After the first date, we met multiple times and she didn't ask me for more money. We even went on a short weekend trip with her friends. She paid her part. I stopped seeing her because she was not my type and she was friends with girl #6.

3. Andrea (18) 150 K: I also forgot her name. This girl was shy and did not have a great attitude. She didn't like to give BJ but she provided BBFS and CIY. She was a starfish so I did not repeat.

4. Marian (20) 200 K: We met for a coffee first. We talked for a bit but there weren't a lot of things in common so we headed to the apartment. She was tall. It was the first time with a taller girl for me and I did not like that. She was kinda cute, not as cute as in the pictures tho. In the first and last date she provided GFE, kisses, BBBJ, BBFS and CIM.

5. Ana (19) 200 K: This cute little thing has a great personality, great GFE with lots of kisses and hugs. The first night she asked for a condom but the next time we did BBBJ, CIY and CIP. One of my favorites, we went to the movies, had dinner and we spent a lot of time together. I only stopped seeing her because I met the next girl. I just saw this girl again yesterday and now she is doing porn and OF. The sex was even better now. She was liberated it seems.

6. Mariana (23) 500 K: When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message but she ignored me and then deleted her profile. I found her again and this time she responded. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met at Envy and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of 500 K. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short for 100 k. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. She even paid her taxis. We spent a whole week together and then another week, and again she did not mention any money. We eventually became so attached that I asked her to be my GF and she accepted. We deleted our SA profiles. We traveled to Cancun and Cartagena. We lived together, We dreamed of getting married and having kids. She met my parents and I met her whole family. 8 or so months later we broke up. It's ok if you mock me but I was so happy and it was so beautiful.

In conclusion, from my short experience I can tell that most of the SA girls offer and like bare bone sex if not on the first date, probably on the next few dates.

These days of loneliness now that I'm single, I've been experimenting with Casas and more SA girls. I even downloaded Tinder. Casas have been disappointing but I will share that later.

Message me if you want to hang out.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807706]The truth hurts and as much as I hate to admit it I'm being delusional and you are right.

I'm reconsidering going to Colombia based on your post.

I have this stupid thought that me and a chica could hang out and trust each other.

I would never steal from anyone that's just not how I roll.

These chicas and gangs are going to scope the wrong gringo one day and it's going to be ugly.

I just don't understand why the need to scope me. Shit I will make it worth their while and come back with friends. It just seems bad for business.

Thanks for telling me the truth.[/QUOTE]You seem a little naive. How long have you been at this game. I have 20 years. Some of the board members are 30 years. Listen to us. Bill Cosby drugged girls, and he had everything to lose and didn't care. You think some hooker you just met won't drug you.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790]


6. Mariana (23) 500 K: When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message but she ignored me and then deleted her profile. I found her again and this time she responded. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met at Envy and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of 500 K. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short for 100 k. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. She even paid her taxis. We spent a whole week together and then another week, and again she did not mention any money. We eventually became so attached that I asked her to be my GF and she accepted. We deleted our SA profiles. We traveled to Cancun and Cartagena. We lived together, We dreamed of getting married and having kids. She met my parents and I met her whole family. 8 or so months later we broke up. It's ok if you mock me but I was so happy and it was so beautiful.

Message me if you want to hang out.[/QUOTE]If you care to share, why did you two break up? I'm glad you enjoyed the relationship, there's nothing better than that deep love feeling, especially if both of you shared it.

[QUOTE=MAS69;2807775]Hello.

Last summer I was in Dominican Rupublic and stayed at BlackBeards Adult Resort. A guest there told me that I will find in Medellin a place named "Modeling Hotel Mansion El poblado". Does anyone know this place and can tell me more about it? In Internet I found only "Hotel M (la mansion)" but I'm not sure if he meant this and I did not found what I receive there. Thank you for every help, I will stay some days in Medellin in July.[/QUOTE]The Mansion is also known as Hotel M. Searching for Hotel M Medellin will turn up the website. It's located in the El Poblado sector of Medellin.

I'm flying into Medellin next week, and I was wondering how dangerous centro is at night? How would it compare to Santa Fe in Bogota? I personally didn't find Santa Fe that bad. I was thinking about hitting up some of the strip clubs there, and wanted some further insight if I can walk safely between each strip club. (planning on bringing a burner phone / wallet).

[QUOTE=MAS69;2807775]Hello.

Last summer I was in Dominican Rupublic and stayed at BlackBeards Adult Resort. A guest there told me that I will find in Medellin a place named "Modeling Hotel Mansion El poblado". Does anyone know this place and can tell me more about it? In Internet I found only "Hotel M (la mansion)" but I'm not sure if he meant this and I did not found what I receive there. Thank you for every help, I will stay some days in Medellin in July.[/QUOTE]I think he was talking about Hotel M in Poblado, aka The Mansion. Here is their website: [URL]www.hotelmedellinplaza.com[/URL].

Girls hang out there at the pool area, and at the bar next door. The rooms are not the best, but not bad either. It's a good and safe hotel to stay at.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2807794]there's nothing better than that deep love feeling, especially if both of you shared it.[/QUOTE]Beautiful words, bro. I would've never expected to read anything like this here but I truly appreciate it.

I met her at one of my darkest times and as she told me later, she was also going thru a very difficult time. Neither of us were in the position to start a relationship but we needed each other. The fact that each of us was dealing with our own demons and at the same time trying to support the other caused a lot of issues. Little things that kept repeating and accumulating until I couldn't accept it anymore. If you add the difference in age and culture, well, the odds were against us.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790]Hey guys,
5. Ana (19) 200 K: This cute little thing has a great personality, great GFE with lots of kisses and hugs. The first night she asked for a condom but the next time we did BBBJ, CIY and CIP. One of my favorites, we went to the movies, had dinner and we spent a lot of time together. I only stopped seeing her because I met the next girl. I just saw this girl again yesterday and now she is doing porn and OF. The sex was even better now. She was liberated it seems.
[/QUOTE]Is there a difference?

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2807811]Is there a difference?[/QUOTE]No difference. I meant to write CIM and CIY. Thanks for pointing it out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2807730]Those places do not work like that. I guess you need to go to see. Everyone would wonder where she is going and especially where she is going with the customer. Usually in a casa you are in a front room and girls will come out one by one to introduce themselves. The manager of the place is right there. Then at the end of the presentation, you tell the manager which one you want then you go back to the room. When you finish you pay and leave and she takes a shower or whatever and goes back with her coworkers. So in a casa a chick is never going to be walking out the same time as the customer.

A strip club is pretty much the same. A chick is not going to change out of her bikini and be walking outside in regular clothes with a customer unless you had paid the place an exorbitant amount for her to leave with you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2807732]They can't just leave the casa, they have to stay until the end of their shift. You could potentially leave with the strip-club girl but then security is your responsibility, just session on site so you don't have to worry about it. Establishments know the girls real names and addresses, so it's risky for girls to play bad (unlike a rando from tinder, fb or a street).[/QUOTE]These were the answers I was looking for. Definitely puts me more at ease. Thanks!

I've heard one way to keep the girl intrested is to buy her small gifts. I'm. Just looking for example. Jewelry? If so what kind? Dresses skirts? Personal price limits?

I'm trying to understand what to buy so I can get a reaction of gratitude. Nothing sucks more that buying a gift for someone and they clearly don't enjoy it.

I'll be in medellin next month for the first time. Anybody that could link me to a trustworthy Facebook girl would be highly appreciated as well. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790]Hey guys,

A little bit about me, I'm in my mid 30's and Spanish is my mother tongue.

After mongering in Mexico city, Guadalajara, Amsterdam and Barcelona I heard about Medellin thanks to this forum. So thank you guys.

I arrived to Medellin more than a year ago. The plan was to stay for a few months but I loved it and I didn't want to leave. During the first 2 months all the girls I met were from SA. I did create a facebook and Colombian cupid without luck. I also went one night to Parque Lleras but I didn't dare to approach any of the girls. I had never done it and I was by myself.

From seeking I met about 10 girls. All of them are petite, slim and 4'8 to 5'5 . From those 10, only one was a "pro" Here is a little bit about them:

1. Juliana (22) 200 K: she was the only girl who I felt was a pro. We met at a bar and she arrived with a translucent blouse and no bra. Kind of embarrassing that my date was showing the tits to everyone. We had a drink and headed to the apartment. She asked me to take a shower, the only girl who asked that. She did not offer BBBJ let alone BBFS or CIY / CIM. She didn't let me kiss her and she didn't like to be touched. She just liked to be fucked hard. Really hard. In general she was cold and it was not a great first experience in Medellin. I did see her one more time because I was feeling lonely.

2. Sandy (20's) 200: I forgot her name. She was new to SA (that's what she said but I believe her) She was from the coast. Her skin was a little darker than in the pictures and in general she did not look as good as in the pictures, a common issue with SA in my experience. She was very passionate and provided a great girlfriend experience. Lots of kisses and lots of hugs. From the first date she did BBJB, BBFS and CIY. Sex was wild and great. After the first date, we met multiple times and she didn't ask me for more money. We even went on a short weekend trip with her friends. She paid her part. I stopped seeing her because she was not my type and she was friends with girl #6.

3. Andrea (18) 150 K: I also forgot her name. This girl was shy and did not have a great attitude. She didn't like to give BJ but she provided BBFS and CIY. She was a starfish so I did not repeat.

4. Marian (20) 200 K: We met for a coffee first. We talked for a bit but there weren't a lot of things in common so we headed to the apartment. She was tall. It was the first time with a taller girl for me and I did not like that. She was kinda cute, not as cute as in the pictures tho. In the first and last date she provided GFE, kisses, BBBJ, BBFS and CIM.

5. Ana (19) 200 K: This cute little thing has a great personality, great GFE with lots of kisses and hugs. The first night she asked for a condom but the next time we did BBBJ, CIY and CIP. One of my favorites, we went to the movies, had dinner and we spent a lot of time together. I only stopped seeing her because I met the next girl. I just saw this girl again yesterday and now she is doing porn and OF. The sex was even better now. She was liberated it seems.

6. Mariana (23) 500 K: When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message but she ignored me and then deleted her profile. I found her again and this time she responded. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met at Envy and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of 500 K. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short for 100 k. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. She even paid her taxis. We spent a whole week together and then another week, and again she did not mention any money. We eventually became so attached that I asked her to be my GF and she accepted. We deleted our SA profiles. We traveled to Cancun and Cartagena. We lived together, We dreamed of getting married and having kids. She met my parents and I met her whole family. 8 or so months later we broke up. It's ok if you mock me but I was so happy and it was so beautiful.

In conclusion, from my short experience I can tell that most of the SA girls offer and like bare bone sex if not on the first date, probably on the next few dates.

These days of loneliness now that I'm single, I've been experimenting with Casas and more SA girls. I even downloaded Tinder. Casas have been disappointing but I will share that later.

Message me if you want to hang out.[/QUOTE]Great report bro! Mongering and this forum should not always be about boning a dozen women over a long weekend, although there is a time and place for that LOL. You seem like you know how to play the game for the long term, respect to your style. I think you have some great experiences that would really benefit the forum. All good if you don't feel like answering these questions but I feel they could really help a lot of bros out there in a similar situation.

Why did you guys eventually break up? Was there a trust issue because of how you both met? Are you American? How did the family take to meeting you?

Most importantly, could you compare Barcelona to Medellin. Spain is on my radar for a visit. Thanks in advance or your response.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807706]The truth hurts and as much as I hate to admit it I'm being delusional and you are right.

I'm reconsidering going to Colombia based on your post.

I have this stupid thought that me and a chica could hang out and trust each other.

I would never steal from anyone that's just not how I roll.

These chicas and gangs are going to scope the wrong gringo one day and it's going to be ugly.

I just don't understand why the need to scope me. Shit I will make it worth their while and come back with friends. It just seems bad for business.

Thanks for telling me the truth.[/QUOTE]Don't let my post deter you from going to Colombia. You and a chica can just hang out and can trust each other and can build a friendship even if it revolves around money for sex. All I'm saying is just be alert and aware and don't let your guard down just because you feel like you know her.

My observations from being in Medellin on and off for the past 3 months and comparing to other multiple trips over the years mainly before the pandemic. There seem to be a lot more available talent around the parque lleras and surrounding areas. This is a full square around the park perimiter which include Gusto club at the top, and a couple of clubs next to the liquor shop, the a new 'til 4 am' club on the corner, plus the main street outside the park perimeter which is 10th ave I think and has two pharmacies on the corner. This area is a full on meat market, like I have never seen it before. Most gringo's and other toursits sit and drink beers at the surrounding bars. There are very active street hustlers inviting you to one of the clubs. I used to but never see a point going into these clubs packed with dudes trying to get a table, the music is super loud. All these girls that walk in and out of clubs are approachable. Not once has a girl refused to give me her number. So why bother going to the club if you can see them all outside and better lit with the bright lights. I've taken 1, 2 girls alone or 1, 2 girls with a friend. Never any issues. I have doormen check their ID and take girl's photograms. I will demand to take a photo of the girl or together before we talk into the building. I sent the photo to my friends. It's not bulletproof, but there is enough presence that if anything happens to you and you are willing to pursue this, you will find the girl and any evidence of wrongdoing should there be any harm done to you. That goes without saying. Also ask their FB / Instagram profiles. If a girl refuses a photo or any info about her, this is a red flag, even if she is not going to rob / spike you, she may end up being not compliant, and basically not fun.

You got Tinder now that is just off the hook, I get dozens of daily likes and these girls are very persistent. I think as far as taking them home same rules apply. I usually offer them 50 M to meet for a coffee during the day. You can get a lot of good or bad vibes and other info about the girl from the first meeting when you are not giving into her trying to have sex with you and get paid.

I also get a lot of attention from 'regular' girls on the streets, which did not happen before. I guess it's the internet and open-mindless that comes with it. I did not even begin to talk about when you hit strip clubs and the cheaper casas and even Centro girls (don't go alone!

With this sad, some girls are flakey, some expect more $ that used to be, but in my opinion Medellin now is at its best. Though it is hard to make genuine non transnational connections, but if you are here for a few weeks, got a good group friends that help you with security, Medellin is a blast.

Forgot about the webcam, I met a really hot pretty one in parque lerras, she told me more of them are on the streets now. How do find one, is there a way to meet her online and then physically meet the girl?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2807840]

With this sad, some girls are flakey, some expect more $ that used to be, but in my opinion Medellin now is at its best. [/QUOTE]I think the best time, at least for me, to monger in Medellin, and Colombia in general, was about 1. 5-2 years ago, right after Covid restrictions were lifted. For someone who was lucky to be here during the pandemic, 2020 was the best year. Everything was so much cheaper back then, and the girls were much more desperate / interested in meeting, and there was much less competition from fellow mongers due to travel restrictions. Now the housing / hotel rates are through the roof, airfare rates are 100%+ up, the girls are more demanding and flakey. Girls who charged me 300-350 mil cop per date in 2021 now want 500-700 mil cop. I used to have overnight dates all the time, 8 out of 10 would stay the night without extra pay. Now virtually no girls are willing to do TLN, and more and more of them started to charge by the hour or set time restrictions (2-3 hrs max) - I'm not used to this BS, honestly. So, overall, it has become much more difficult to score a decent date. And speaking of Parque Lleras, I haven't pull a girl from there in a very long time, but just walking around a few times in the last couple of weeks, I can definitely say that the scene sucks. Not only girls are below average looking, but the sheer amount of them decreased drastically, I think it started to decline right after the park was shut down for renovation, and it hasn't improved since the park opened up.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2807847]I think the best time, at least for me, to monger in Medellin, and Colombia in general, was about 1. 5-2 years ago, right after Covid restrictions were lifted. For someone who was lucky to be here during the pandemic, 2020 was the best year. Everything was so much cheaper back then, and the girls were much more desperate / interested in meeting, and there was much less competition from fellow mongers due to travel restrictions. Now the housing / hotel rates are through the roof, airfare rates are 100%+ up, the girls are more demanding and flakey. Girls who charged me 300-350 mil cop per date in 2021 now want 500-700 mil cop. I used to have overnight dates all the time, 8 out of 10 would stay the night without extra pay. Now virtually no girls are willing to do TLN, and more and more of them started to charge by the hour or set time restrictions (2-3 hrs max) - I'm not used to this BS, honestly. So, overall, it has become much more difficult to score a decent date. And speaking of Parque Lleras, I haven't pull a girl from there in a very long time, but just walking around a few times in the last couple of weeks, I can definitely say that the scene sucks. Not only girls are below average looking, but the sheer amount of them decreased drastically, I think it started to decline right after the park was shut down for renovation, and it hasn't improved since the park opened up.[/QUOTE]Facts! I was JUST thinking this. I was acrually "stranded" here during pandemic and there was this amazing moment where the pesos went to 4. 2 mil = 1 dollar and none of the inflation caught up. I was getting BB TLN from dimes for like 300 mil. I had one stay a week and only got like 500. My aparment was a 1 br I paid like $400 a month for with everything. They same place is going for over $1200 now!

I'm trying to think what's improved now. I guess still an influx of fresh talent weekly.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2807792]You seem a little naive. How long have you been at this game. I have 20 years. Some of the board members are 30 years. Listen to us. Bill Cosby drugged girls, and he had everything to lose and didn't care. You think some hooker you just met won't drug you.[/QUOTE]I do listen and I appreciate the advice.

I've been to CR 3 times, MDE once. I did 4 years in the Military and carried a rifle everyday I worked. I was in the first Gulf War, and I can still mix it up if I have to.

If a young lady that I think is hot will let me make out with her, have sex with out a condom, and be nice to me for less money than I can take a fat American lady to Applebees than I consider her a friend and a damn good one at that.

If someone scopes me I'm going for a blood choke and we will be flying with the Angels together.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2807778]I think also that these girls are tempted by offers by gangs of a big payday if they do it. Yes, they can make 200-300 mil if they have sex with you but perhaps they can make 1500 mil if the robbery is successful. If you are in need of money and you can make a lot of money if you just put a little of this drug into the gringo's drink, and you don't even have to have sex with the old overweight gringo, it is a tempting offer. There are always other gringo customers that you can get if you are young and attractive.[/QUOTE]I would rather be dead than poison someone and rob them. It could be for all the money in the world and I still wouldn't do it. I wouldn't poison my worst enemy. It's despicable.

When I was in MDE I didn't run into many people that were in danger of splitting the atom. It wouldn't take much for someone to set a Chica up and find out the gangs behind this. My phone is tracked and backed up on the cloud. I have a sneaky suspicion that some alphabet US agencies are on this issue right now.

At the end of the day I'm talking about paying a hooker for sex. I get that's not a high priority for the Police in Colombia that don't make money to begin with.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790] 6. Mariana (23) 500 K: When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message but she ignored me and then deleted her profile. I found her again and this time she responded. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met at Envy and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of 500 K. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short for 100 k. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. She even paid her taxis. We spent a whole week together and then another week, and again she did not mention any money. We eventually became so attached that I asked her to be my GF and she accepted. We deleted our SA profiles. We traveled to Cancun and Cartagena. We lived together, We dreamed of getting married and having kids. She met my parents and I met her whole family. 8 or so months later we broke up. It's ok if you mock me but I was so happy and it was so beautiful.

[/QUOTE]Is this Mariana you speak of by any chance Mariana castano? As in marianacasta_ on instagram? Or is that a different mariana?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2807840]
You got Tinder now that is just off the hook, I get dozens of daily likes and these girls are very persistent. I think as far as taking them home same rules apply. I usually offer them 50 M to meet for a coffee during the day. You can get a lot of good or bad vibes and other info about the girl from the first meeting when you are not giving into her trying to have sex with you and get paid.

[/QUOTE]Are you paying girls to go on dates with you in addition to taxis? I've only once ever had a girl ask me to pay her to go out for a coffee, beer etc and that includes a couple semipros to pros. Now, some do ask me to get their taxis, which I pay if they ask. My point is, there doesn't seem to be an expectation among most pros even that you are paying them for their time. This extends to having a girl over. If she's enjoying herself she'll hang out for hours. Rather you are paying them for sex. In my mind, at least that's one of the standout features of Colombia.

Every time I fill it out, there are some quirks. It works but you need to be careful in making sure all your entries are correct. When selecting your nationality, United States is not listed. The Spanish term is listed, Estados Unidos. If you don't know Spanish and you're looking for United States, that may throw you off. Make sure you pick the right airport of arrival. I picked one in Medellin but it was the wrong one and then I could not enter my flight number. Then I realized my mistake and it was fine. Then they asked me a question about how much currency I was carrying and there was no "yes or no" option. That one puzzled me until I saw that I had to move the screen further to the right on my computer to see the options.

I use the English version but I did read that the original Spanish works better.

So the website does work but you need to carefully fill it out and make sure that all the info is correct. One wrong answer stops you from continuing.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790]Hey guys,


6. Mariana (23) 500 K: When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message but she ignored me and then deleted her profile. I found her again and this time she responded. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met at Envy and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of 500 K. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short for 100 k. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. [/QUOTE]I've also had a girl ask for money the first time and then transition to an amigo-type of relationship because they liked me. No girlfriends yet, but I'm married. That just reaffirms how much more flexible things are and the grayer area around sex and money in Colombia. It doesn't sound like your girl was being cynical and that wasn't my experience either.

I've always avoided Seeking personally because I figured it attracted a certain type (also why pay a membership when I can get similar results for free). My philosophy on apps has always been to think about what the women are looking for when they sign on. On Seeking women are looking for a sugar daddy or p4 p, on Colombian Cupid they are looking for a foreign husband or p4 p, on Tinder foreign husband, p4 p or scam / rob (Colombian guys don't use tinder that much BTW). I like looking for women and sliding into dms on Facebook and Instagram because, though there are pros on Facebook especially, you can find women using it to keep up with Colombian family and friends rather than only explicitly seeking out gringos / foreigners. It's fun to go out with a girl who's never been out with a gringo / foreigner or even expected to go out with one. But from what you are writing, you can have some solid experiences with Seeking.

Finally, if you want a girlfriend, start looking for normal girls vs. Pros both online and offline. I think Colombia is one of the easiest places in the world to strike up a conversation with and approach women both in person and online.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807903]Are you paying girls to go on dates with you in addition to taxis? Rather you are paying them for sex. In my mind, at least that's one of the standout features of Colombia.[/QUOTE]That is what I was saying. By the time you spend all this money and time so-called vetting them, you could have paid them to fuck and moved on to the next one. You don't need to ease into fucking a hooker. All the vetting in the world is not going to tell you how good they will do what you are supposed to be paying them to do.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807911]
Finally, if you want a girlfriend, start looking for normal girls vs. Pros both online and offline. I think Colombia is one of the easiest places in the world to strike up a conversation with and approach women both in person and online.[/QUOTE]This part right here. I like to run around el centro and sport fuck but nothing beats going out to dinner / bar with a normal chica than back to the hotel for all night fucking. I will never understand guys doing TLN with pros they barely know. I guess that's why in my 7-8 years of medellin I have never been sccop'd or robbed.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2807917]I will never understand guys doing TLN with pros they barely know. I guess that's why in my 7-8 years of medellin I have never been sccop'd or robbed.[/QUOTE]Because different places have different dynamics. If you were in Rio back in the Help days, Sosua 15 years ago, Thailand or Philippines then you will know how normal it was to meet a chick and it was not even a question that she would stay with you all night and sometimes days at a time. That is just how things worked in those places. That is what my understanding of GFE is, not whether she kisses you in the mouth or not.

People get into trouble when they try to transfer their experiences from those places to Colombia where there is a different mongering dynamic. You do not read in other threads about it being common sense to make sure you are watching your drink and shit like that because people are not being drugged and robbed in those places.

I understood what Dublin was trying to accomplish because he had been mongering in those other destinations, but he just would not take for an answer that Colombia is not that type of mongering. And it really does make one wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze in a place that you are risking being drugged and robbed versus some other location where you can relax and be carefree and do not have to worry about looking over your shoulder every minute.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2807914]That is what I was saying. By the time you spend all this money and time so-called vetting them, you could have paid them to fuck and moved on to the next one. ....[/QUOTE]I think that is not the purpose for coffee. It's going to cost at least 200 mil if he is going to fuck the girl. He basically spent 50 mil to save 150 mil. It's like in El Centro, I can spend 6 mil to treat the girl a dinner, then spend 30 mil to fuck her.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807911]...I've always avoided Seeking personally because I figured it attracted a certain type (also why pay a membership when I can get similar results for free)....[/QUOTE]What do you think is a better choice if a 70 yrs old wants to date a 20 yrs old?

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807861]I would rather be dead than poison someone and rob them. It could be for all the money in the world and I still wouldn't do it. I wouldn't poison my worst enemy. It's despicable....[/QUOTE]It depends on who you deal with. Most of them are not as educated as you, don't have a father, have a rough life by our standard. Some may even take kindness as weakness because they haven't been conditioned like you. One thing most prostitutes do well is acting. You can't assume others won't just because you would never act or lie. It is the same in life or in marriage, you have to think about other's motive when the power balance is so one sided.

Fernanda 400 K.

Went to La Isla. It was moderately to busy. The ratio it is always insane like 12-1 or something.

Lots of variety but I'm VERY picky when it comes to finding dancers to fuck. I just got a small bottle to myself and watched from the corner.

I saw this pretty face paisa like 5 3 102 lbs with small bolt-ONS. Her face was very pretty with a smile that looked innocent. However, once she changed and danced on stage I could see she had a freak's energy. If I saw her on the street I would peg her for an office-type chick if she had normal clothes on.

Anyway I wait for her to make her rounds and come to me and right before she does she goes in the opposite direction. This makes me want her even more however I'm not going to leave my table to approach them. *The crowd gets more route as 4 girls on stage do a live dildo fuck show, each taking turns to re-enact the scene from Requiem for a Dream.

Finally, after watching her for 45 min she makes eye contact.

I have her sit down*and get her one of those pink cheap champagne cans. She is impressed with my Spanish and she tells me most gringos suck at Spanish and have to google translate the entire process. I get to know more about her, she has a kid (like 90% of the entire dancers in all strip clubs) but has zero baby damage and fantastic tits.

Her hair has a small tint of natural red, a natural button nose, and light caramel nipples that contrast with her milky skin.

I get her # and tell her I prefer meetings outside the club without all the crazy fees and distractions.

I start with my manipulation tactics like "I'm paying you to NOT dance on me" This ususally hooks them and fucks with their natural signals to leave after getting tips. I encourage her if she still wants to go get dances but she prefers to stay with me. She knows I;m not a tourist and I hit her with like "tienes passport" all this shit. Just sell a dream right there. I explain that I am not cheap however I am an long-term*investment and something she can rely on consistently if we have good chemistry. She ask if I want to take her home now, I say wait till closing I have energy.

She wanted like 1. 000.000 mil to come over and I shut that down. I just talked game, eventually, I got her to come to my place at 4 am for 400.000 mil.

I didn't rush to fuck her but we chill on the couch and then we start kissing, just lots and lots of kissing. I kiss her neck and she is actually into it. I just take my time with foreplay she ask to go take a shower with me and we go. She grabs her drink and we start to kiss and make out in the shower. I pour champagne on her tits and lick it up. In the shower, my cock is getting close to her pussy BUT she shuts it down cause no rubber. I tell her I have a test recently and she is like "mustreme" We get out and I'm dripping wet at my computer showing her the results of my latest exam haha. I ask her if she still has the platifucation and she says "sii pero, sin funciton, no tengo problema con baby con ojos azueles" hahaha.

I grab her and just tease my cock on her little tiny paisa pussy. Her clit is soo small but soo perfect it looks like it's drawn. I just keep teasing her and teasing her and then we just go to the bed. She throws me on and dances standing up as her fav song comes on my Spotify playlist. I ask her "esta cansada bailar" she is like "noo mi gusta muchoo siempre" LOVE IT!

I have her sit on my face and it tastes sweet!! I suck her clit and finger the G and eventually, she lets out an O. It's a real O cause I see her face turn bright red!!

We take a break as she is sensitive. She goes to give me a mic check. Its a little rough but I give her instructions and she is more smooth. Finally, I put it deep inside and we are just really enjoying each other. I want to nut but I hold out till we do sideways doggy style. She can tell I'm going to nut soon and I pull and and finish on her bolt-ONS. She gets up and I notice a little bit of custard is dripping and hanging from her chin like Someting about mary haha.

We shower again, she sleeps and its now like 10 am. I told her she could stay but she has to get back to the kid. However, she is super chill and wants to come over again. She saw some creative things I did and wanted to know more cause she doesn't want to dance forever.

P.S., to the north american dudes hanging in strip clubs trying to come to my table to make friends and offer me a tour. Please fuck off and get another husstle. I'm here to meet women.

Xina is looking for a sort of long term friend, she can be a guide to find the best of Medellin.

She can be lover or just friend, if just friend, she has a lot of hot friends!

She is 24 and has 2 kids, are awesome type Pocahontas.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2807946]Fernanda 400 K.

Went to La Isla....[/QUOTE]This is by far the best La Isla report I can remember.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2807943]What do you think is a better choice if a 70 yrs old wants to date a 20 yrs old?[/QUOTE]My broader point would be to look at things from their perspective on sites and know where you are most likely to find what you are looking for as well as know what you are getting into. There is nothing wrong with having a sugar baby. What's funny / sad is a guy who thinks he's going to meet the love of his life talking to chicas who are looking for a sugar relationship or are out and out prepagos. Shifting categories is way more likely in the Colombian p4 p scene I. E. Sugar baby or even prepago to amiga or GF. But still you are more likely to succeed no matter what you are looking for if you know the best places to look.

As to age, I continue to be surprised by what is possible like the 21 year old, english speaking law student from Laureles I met this January who was telling me about the ups and downs of her relationship with her 50-year old gringo ex.

[QUOTE=MAS69;2807775]Hello.

Last summer I was in Dominican Rupublic and stayed at BlackBeards Adult Resort. A guest there told me that I will find in Medellin a place named "Modeling Hotel Mansion El poblado". Does anyone know this place and can tell me more about it? In Internet I found only "Hotel M (la mansion)" but I'm not sure if he meant this and I did not found what I receive there. Thank you for every help, I will stay some days in Medellin in July.[/QUOTE]I stayed 4 days in room 109. It took some effort to get the TV to work. But I can't say enough good things about the Mansion. Tip everyone and be friendly and you will have a great time. I don't know about the modeling part. But the Mansion is close to a very nice area with a Porche dealership and a Sushi restaurant and walking distance to an incredible mall. It's safe there. It's kinda hard to get reservations because they book up fast. Free breakfast and coffee!

I liked it. The parts about the girl being into kisses on the neck and having a real orgasm gives me hope, LOL. I haven't been in La Isla for quite a few years but the mention of gringo hustlers brought it all back. I used to go there with Colombian colleagues when I was working here and almost every time I would see guys making the rounds.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2807952]This is by far the best La Isla report I can remember.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807956]...
As to age, I continue to be surprised by what is possible ....[/QUOTE]Why do you think is she is with him? The girls may all be after the same thing because they are not close to equal.

I don't think a random law student means anything, especially here. But it is something else if she is a law student that already has a high paying job offer from a reputable law firm. The opposite can be said about the prostitute too.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2807950]Xina is looking for a sort of long term friend, she can be a guide to find the best of Medellin.

She can be lover or just friend, if just friend, she has a lot of hot friends!

She is 24 and has 2 kids, are awesome type Pocahontas.[/QUOTE]First post is to promote some other chick? Seem sus.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2807952]This is by far the best La Isla report I can remember.[/QUOTE]Thank you!! The key is to finding the ones that have been working less then 3 months and are new to the game. They hit you with anymore more then 6 months it ain't popin.

I wonder if we met the same girl (although I no longer am in contact with her). Name of the girl I met is Susana. She is in law school. Had a gringo boyfriend who was a big gambler and drinker.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807956]

As to age, I continue to be surprised by what is possible like the 21 year old, english speaking law student from Laureles I met this January who was telling me about the ups and downs of her relationship with her 50-year old gringo ex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2807847] the girls are more demanding and flakey. Girls who charged me 300-350 mil cop per date in 2021 now want 500-700 mil cop. .., it has become much more difficult to score a decent date. .[/QUOTE]Yeah this is super annoying though one thing that some girls ignore or do not reply etc, obviously they have more choices, women quickly turn bitches when given an opportunity. I think maybe it's time to go to other parts of Colombia to explore.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2808008]I wonder if we met the same girl (although I no longer am in contact with her). Name of the girl I met is Susana. She is in law school. Had a gringo boyfriend who was a big gambler and drinker.[/QUOTE]I think we did based on those details.

I get tired of people making excuses for criminals in America or outside the country for why they rob people. They are lazy and morally bankrupt. They are bad people. Period. When I was young, I lived off 10.00 an hour. I was paycheck to paycheck with no cash flow. I NEVER robbed anyone. I picked up extra shifts if I needed. This concept that if you're poor like Mike Tyson you automatically get a pass for criminal behavior is BS. He was still a worthless criminal when he made millions. His brother is a surgeon. Same childhood. Some people are just trash and to drug someone that makes you a serial killer in my book. AOC said it's okay to shoplift if you need money because it's karma that Walmart doesn't pay enough, LOL This is the mentality in the US that we are dealing with now.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2807988]Thank you!! The key is to finding the ones that have been working less then 3 months and are new to the game. They hit you with anymore more then 6 months it ain't popin.[/QUOTE]Not accurate. They all lie and say they are new. They know we ask that to avoid the hard core girls. The closer to 18 they are, the newer they are. That's the only way to know. I had a great girl from a casa who was 19, so I knew she didn't have more than a year. She came to my hotel a couple times after.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2808020]I think we did based on those details.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the club. I met her too, so did a friend of mine. LOL.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2808019]Yeah this is super annoying though one thing that some girls ignore or do not reply etc, obviously they have more choices, women quickly turn bitches when given an opportunity. I think maybe it's time to go to other parts of Colombia to explore.[/QUOTE]I can also add that girls have been traveling much more often recently. Pretty much every girl I have talked to in the last few months has been to Cancun, Panama, DR, or even Brazil and Europe. Few have been to Dubai. And of course, Cartagena and San Andres are the most popular local destinations. Every time I come back to Medellin or Bogota and hit my past contact, a good percentage of them are out of town. Bogota girls travel to Medellin. Medellin girls travel to Bogota or Cartagena. And virtually all of them have been or are going to Mexico. We all know who pays for them trips LOL. But some girls even travel on their dime hoping to get some business in other countries, where the money is.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2808032] Few have been to Dubai.[/QUOTE]Miamiboy, Mariana frequently travels to Dubai. She must be getting flown out by some rich mfs. This chick seems out of reach to play in medellin for the time being. She reads ig messages but rarely replies. My guess is she sticks to sugar daddy's or those who message her on seeking.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807956]What's funny / sad is a guy who thinks he's going to meet the love of his life talking to chicas who are looking for a sugar relationship or are out and out prepagos. Shifting categories is way more likely in the Colombian p4 p scene I. E. Sugar baby or even prepago to amiga or GF. But still you are more likely to succeed no matter what you are looking for if you know the best places to look. I've also had a girl ask for money the first time and then transition to an amigo-type of relationship because they liked me. No girlfriends yet, but I'm married. I've always avoided Seeking personally because I figured it attracted a certain type (also why pay a membership when I can get similar results for free). [/QUOTE]And this is the quoted post.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2807790]Mariana (23) 500 K: When I arrived to medellin and sent her a message but she ignored me and then deleted her profile. I found her again and this time she responded. I did not offer any money and she did not ask for anything. We met at Envy and had dinner. She was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. She asked me for a one time payment of 500 K. I was obviously unsure but I wanted her so much that I accepted. We headed to my place and I was short for 100 k. I offered to pay later and she accepted. She offered GFE, BBBJ but no BBFS, I would have to wait for that until the 3rd date. She honored her word and I did not pay her any more money. She even paid her taxis. We spent a whole week together and then another week, and again she did not mention any money. We eventually became so attached that I asked her to be my GF and she accepted. We deleted our SA profiles. We traveled to Cancun and Cartagena. We lived together, We dreamed of getting married and having kids. She met my parents and I met her whole family. 8 or so months later we broke up. It's ok if you mock me but I was so happy and it was so beautiful.
[/QUOTE]Recondite, you are going to be very popular on this forum. Heck, we should put your post up for links of distinction.

What do you call a guy who is having bareback sex with the most beautiful women he has ever seen for 8 months? In this forum, I agree the word sad does come to mind.

And why pay $100 for a selection of women possibly as hot as the one Davv had when you can just imagine what you have is just as good? That is pure genius. It is like you read the minds of most of the guys on the forum.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2807808]I think he was talking about Hotel M in Poblado, aka The Mansion. Here is their website: [URL]www.hotelmedellinplaza.com[/URL].

Girls hang out there at the pool area, and at the bar next door. The rooms are not the best, but not bad either. It's a good and safe hotel to stay at.[/QUOTE]Thank you for answering my question. Just for my first trip to Bogota and Medellin. What should I not miss if I want to have some fun with girls?

Sorany 500 K.

This webcam chick that I talked to like a month ago from SA, she replied to one of my WhatsApp stories and saw I was here. She really liked the video and was telling me she was excited to see me and thought I was bored of her cause I didn't text back.

In her photos, she looks like sort of a goth webcam paisa with cut bangs and a signature pencil-drawn black heart on the left of her face near her eye. She is full-time webcam so her hours are* 6 pm-6 am like clockwork. I saw everything from her photos but don't know her webcam name nor bother. But she was just texting me telling me how much I am her type etc etc etc. She is asking me what she should wear which I like. I pick out a cool cute outfit and send a taxi to scoop her up. Before she came over she was telling me how she wanted to suck my lips and then when I asked what else she wanted she said "Que me eches la leche en mi cara" hahah that is ALL I NEEDED! FUCK.

She arrives and 5 1 109. With canela skin (despite her looking more white in her photos) natural full see cups that SLIGHTLY droop but still hot, and a beauty peach of an ass. She is sort of one of those mixed afro Colombians as I can tell when I feel her hair. Her mom is white and her dad is black. She is originally from Cali but finds working in Med to be the best option for her.

She hid one thing from me and that was her braces. It's ok. I'm not super disappointed but something that she omitted. She is super happy to see me and we start kissing like BF and GF within the first 30 seconds. We have a drink to loosen up and 5 min later we are on the bed. She goes to the bathroom and changes and has on this BANGIN bra and pantie mixed with a stocking outfit. (advantage of webcam girl is they are prepared).

She is a good kisser despite her telling me she doesn't like to kiss with tongue HOWEVER she does suck lips and stuff so all good. Her pussy is so fucking smooth and no bumps that it feels like my hand was going to slip! Her pussy is super tiny and picture-perfect. It is*the*reason people pay to see her naked haha. I lick it and when I put my finger inside it feels like a goddamn vice grip! Holy fuckkk. She tells me she wants to suck me so I'm all for it. Wow! Even with the braces her BJ is a fucking 9. 6 out of 10. I think she had the inside of her mouth lined with Velvet. She sucks for like a good 10 min then climbs ontop. (BB of course) Her pussy took like 20 seconds to finally open up and she rides it, it actually feels good. I can feel the wetness going down her thighs and we are both in heavy eyecontact laugh at how fucking good the sex is!! Switch positons, and when in quatro I dunno what it is but her pussy gets to like 2 mm thin, I can barely contain myself. I know she wants it in her face so I get a pillow, throw it on the floor and make her suck me while she stares at me with those big coffee eyes. I love the sluty makeup she has on and she really knows what she is doing. She is BEGGING for it in the face. I stand back and jerk it like a real porn shot and bam! I hit all three sides of her face. She is LOVING IT! Like zero hesitation, I even aim for that little heart like it's my bullseye. There was a mirror right next to us and she looks and is AMAZED at the 8 ropes I just shot on her. I told her "tengo muchas leche siempre!" haha.

We washed off, and held each other then I knew she was hungry. I ordered sushi, we ate. Relax and BAM round two!! *almost the same intensity and this time I finished on her big tits. Gave her the cash, got her a taxi, and bam she was on the way happy. 10/10 would repeat. Stayed about 5 hours total so 100.000 mil and hour not bad. She is like a 6. 9/10 BUT once she gets rid of those braces she will climb to a 7. 5/10.

Hey guys, this question might not have been asked here before. I working remotely so I was planning to get the digital nomad visa for 2 years and plan to set up shop in Colombia. I speak Spanish fairly well. I am not looking to monger per se, but would love to anywhere in Colombia. But the recent news about drugging and murder makes me wary. If you don't plan to monger or only monger a little how safe is Colombia for living long term and for long term relationships. Thanks, muchas gracias!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2808063]Sorany 500 K.

This webcam chick that I talked to like a month ago from SA, she replied to one of my WhatsApp stories and saw I was here. She really liked the video and was telling me she was excited to see me and thought I was bored of her cause I didn't text back.

In her photos, she looks like sort of a goth webcam paisa with cut bangs and a signature pencil-drawn black heart on the left of her face near her eye. She is full-time webcam so her hours are* 6 pm-6 am like clockwork. I saw everything from her photos but don't know her webcam name nor bother. But she was just texting me telling me how much I am her type etc etc etc. She is asking me what she should wear which I like. I pick out a cool cute outfit and send a taxi to scoop her up. Before she came over she was telling me how she wanted to suck my lips and then when I asked what else she wanted she said "Que me eches la leche en mi cara" hahah that is ALL I NEEDED! FUCK.

She arrives and 5 1 109. With canela skin (despite her looking more white in her photos) natural full see cups that SLIGHTLY droop but still hot, and a beauty peach of an ass. She is sort of one of those mixed afro Colombians as I can tell when I feel her hair. Her mom is white and her dad is black. She is originally from Cali but finds working in Med to be the best option for her.

She hid one thing from me and that was her braces. It's ok. I'm not super disappointed but something that she omitted. She is super happy to see me and we start kissing like BF and GF within the first 30 seconds. We have a drink to loosen up and 5 min later we are on the bed. She goes to the bathroom and changes and has on this BANGIN bra and pantie mixed with a stocking outfit. (advantage of webcam girl is they are prepared).

She is a good kisser despite her telling me she doesn't like to kiss with tongue HOWEVER she does suck lips and stuff so all good. Her pussy is so fucking smooth and no bumps that it feels like my hand was going to slip! Her pussy is super tiny and picture-perfect. It is*the*reason people pay to see her naked haha. I lick it and when I put my finger inside it feels like a goddamn vice grip! Holy fuckkk. She tells me she wants to suck me so I'm all for it. Wow! Even with the braces her BJ is a fucking 9. 6 out of 10. I think she had the inside of her mouth lined with Velvet. She sucks for like a good 10 min then climbs ontop. (BB of course) Her pussy took like 20 seconds to finally open up and she rides it, it actually feels good. I can feel the wetness going down her thighs and we are both in heavy eyecontact laugh at how fucking good the sex is!! Switch positons, and when in quatro I dunno what it is but her pussy gets to like 2 mm thin, I can barely contain myself. I know she wants it in her face so I get a pillow, throw it on the floor and make her suck me while she stares at me with those big coffee eyes. I love the sluty makeup she has on and she really knows what she is doing. She is BEGGING for it in the face. I stand back and jerk it like a real porn shot and bam! I hit all three sides of her face. She is LOVING IT! Like zero hesitation, I even aim for that little heart like it's my bullseye. There was a mirror right next to us and she looks and is AMAZED at the 8 ropes I just shot on her. I told her "tengo muchas leche siempre!" haha.

We washed off, and held each other then I knew she was hungry. I ordered sushi, we ate. Relax and BAM round two!! *almost the same intensity and this time I finished on her big tits. Gave her the cash, got her a taxi, and bam she was on the way happy. 10/10 would repeat. Stayed about 5 hours total so 100.000 mil and hour not bad. She is like a 6. 9/10 BUT once she gets rid of those braces she will climb to a 7. 5/10.[/QUOTE]Nice pair of tits.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2808032]I can also add that girls have been traveling much more often recently. Pretty much every girl I have talked to in the last few months has been to Cancun, Panama, DR, or even Brazil and Europe. Few have been to Dubai. And of course, Cartagena and San Andres are the most popular local destinations. Every time I come back to Medellin or Bogota and hit my past contact, a good percentage of them are out of town. Bogota girls travel to Medellin. Medellin girls travel to Bogota or Cartagena. And virtually all of them have been or are going to Mexico. We all know who pays for them trips LOL. But some girls even travel on their dime hoping to get some business in other countries, where the money is.[/QUOTE]Ever since 2016 when Europe opened up the visa shengen for Colombian travlers, these girls got their passports fast cause they could go to spain and paris and live out there BS fantasy. Match that with the rise in Social Media and Instagram and BAM, lost is the "super hot girl from a small town that doens't know how hot she really is".

REALLY fucking miss that.

[URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/solidaridad-qhubo/mi-ciudad/turistas-estarian-haciendo-y-deshaciendo-en-urbanizaciones-de-medellin/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2808026]I get tired of people making excuses for criminals in America or outside the country for why they rob people. They are lazy and morally bankrupt. They are bad people. Period. When I was young, I lived off 10.00 an hour. I was paycheck to paycheck with no cash flow. I NEVER robbed anyone. I picked up extra shifts if I needed. This concept that if you're poor like Mike Tyson you automatically get a pass for criminal behavior is BS. He was still a worthless criminal when he made millions. His brother is a surgeon. Same childhood. Some people are just trash and to drug someone that makes you a serial killer in my book. AOC said it's okay to shoplift if you need money because it's karma that Walmart doesn't pay enough, LOL This is the mentality in the US that we are dealing with now.[/QUOTE]Who put the bees in your bonnet dude. Leave Mike Tyson alone! I worked for 3.00 an hour in a Queen's factory back in the 70's.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807956]My broader point would be to look at things from their perspective on sites and know where you are most likely to find what you are looking for as well as know what you are getting into. There is nothing wrong with having a sugar baby. What's funny / sad is a guy who thinks he's going to meet the love of his life talking to chicas who are looking for a sugar relationship or are out and out prepagos. Shifting categories is way more likely in the Colombian p4 p scene I. E. Sugar baby or even prepago to amiga or GF. But still you are more likely to succeed no matter what you are looking for if you know the best places to look.

As to age, I continue to be surprised by what is possible like the 21 year old, english speaking law student from Laureles I met this January who was telling me about the ups and downs of her relationship with her 50-year old gringo ex.[/QUOTE]There are 70 yr old men with 20 yr old girl friends and wives all over the world. Women want men with money and men want young women with pussies. This has been the case throughout history. Sometimes it works out, other times it don't, just manage your financial matters in such a way that she does not get most of it. Use seeking and your head and you'll be alright.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2808248]There are 70 yr old men with 20 yr old girl friends and wives all over the world. Women want men with money and men want young women with pussies. [/QUOTE]At age 67 I am finding the young pussies are not that interested even though I have money. They say 1. Age difference and 2. Their young children are the reasons they are not interested in a real relationship. I do have money, but am careful with it, do not let women's pussies let my little brain get taken advantage of.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2807835]Great report bro! Mongering and this forum should not always be about boning a dozen women over a long weekend, although there is a time and place for that LOL. You seem like you know how to play the game for the long term, respect to your style. I think you have some great experiences that would really benefit the forum. All good if you don't feel like answering these questions but I feel they could really help a lot of bros out there in a similar situation.

Why did you guys eventually break up? Was there a trust issue because of how you both met? Are you American? How did the family take to meeting you?

Most importantly, could you compare Barcelona to Medellin. Spain is on my radar for a visit. Thanks in advance or your response.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind words, bro. I actually started mongering about 2 years ago after I quit my job to travel the world. Two years is nothing compared to other guys here with 10 times the experience but I'm glad to hear that my contribution can be of help to some of you.

I talked about this briefly in a previous reply but to answer you, yes, there were some trust issues from my part. In part because her past kept chasing us (messages from guys she met before and other stuff) It was also her first serious relationship and she made a lot of mistakes. To be fair, I did too.

I was born in Mexico and I've lived in the US for more than 15 years now. I'm a US citizen.

When her family first heard about us they were a little concerned that she was dating a gringo. The age difference was not an issue for them. I spoke with them on the phone to introduce myself and to "ask for permission to date", something it was important for her. When I finally met the family, I felt very welcomed. I spent time with her father, her mom cooked for me. I met the siblings, the aunt, the friends etc. Little towns are a big family it seems.

About Barcelona, I've been there twice. It was winter both times. Both times I spent some time in London (horrible) and then traveled to Barcelona. I love Barcelona, The weather is nice even in winter, it gets cold at night but during not too cold. The architecture is just amazing.

When I was there I did not know about SA so I just met girls from Casas. There were a lot of beautiful young girls available. If I remember correctly I paid 200 or 300 euros for 2 hrs (I like to take my time). So it is obviously a lot more expensive than Medellin. Now, the girls were just my type. Beautiful, petite, fit, and young. They had great attitude. Very friendly, very sensual and it seemed to me like they enjoyed their work. I received the type of service I haven't found in the Casas here in Medellin. They did require to use condom all the time. I don't think I ever received BBBJ. I had a great time in Barcelona, BUT, If I could go back in time I would've skipped Amsterdam, London and Barcelona and I would've spend my whole year and money here in Colombia. Not only for financial reasons but for the types of girls you can find. These colombian girls are special, the have a lovely accent, they are horny and like to be dominated.

If you go decide to go to Barcelona you will not regret it. I can tell you that.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2807897]Is this Mariana you speak of by any chance Mariana castano? As in marianacasta_ on instagram? Or is that a different mariana?[/QUOTE]I wish, bro.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2808261].......They say 1. Age difference and 2. Their young children are the reasons they are not interested in a real relationship........[/QUOTE]If you drive a Porche, wear a Rolex and dress in Cesare Attolini, trust me they would have no such hangups. Nevertheless there are tons of young women willing to enter into a relationship with 67 year old of your net worth, you just need to meet them.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2807911]I've always avoided Seeking personally because I figured it attracted a certain type (also why pay a membership when I can get similar results for free). My philosophy on apps has always been to think about what the women are looking for when they sign on. On Seeking women are looking for a sugar daddy or p4 p, on Colombian Cupid they are looking for a foreign husband or p4 p, on Tinder foreign husband, p4 p or scam / rob (Colombian guys don't use tinder that much BTW). I like looking for women and sliding into dms on Facebook and Instagram because, though there are pros on Facebook especially, you can find women using it to keep up with Colombian family and friends rather than only explicitly seeking out gringos / foreigners. It's fun to go out with a girl who's never been out with a gringo / foreigner or even expected to go out with one. But from what you are writing, you can have some solid experiences with Seeking.

Finally, if you want a girlfriend, start looking for normal girls vs. Pros both online and offline. I think Colombia is one of the easiest places in the world to strike up a conversation with and approach women both in person and online.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. The last thing I was looking for was a GF. I wanted to fuck as many hot girls as possible during my 3 month vacation but, you know, it just happened.

About Seeking, well, I can only speak from experience, you will find all types of girls there, my GF told me that 3 of her friends found boyfriends in seeking. One of them was expecting a baby and the other got married. I think if you really take the time and allow yourself the opportunity to get to know these girls, you can find that they are just normal human beings, yes they need money, but they also want a better life and future, they long for someone to love them, to adore them, to take care of them in every aspect. They want sex, money and happiness. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2807847]I think the best time, at least for me, to monger in Medellin, and Colombia in general, was about 1. 5-2 years ago, right after Covid restrictions were lifted. For someone who was lucky to be here during the pandemic, 2020 was the best year. Everything was so much cheaper back then, and the girls were much more desperate / interested in meeting, and there was much less competition from fellow mongers due to travel restrictions. Now the housing / hotel rates are through the roof, airfare rates are 100%+ up, the girls are more demanding and flakey. Girls who charged me 300-350 mil cop per date in 2021 now want 500-700 mil cop.[/QUOTE]Inflation has a lot to do with the adjusted rates.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2807847]I think the best time, at least for me, to monger in Medellin, and Colombia in general, was about 1. 5-2 years ago, right after Covid restrictions were lifted. For someone who was lucky to be here during the pandemic, 2020 was the best year. Everything was so much cheaper back then, and the girls were much more desperate / interested in meeting, and there was much less competition from fellow mongers due to travel restrictions. Now the housing / hotel rates are through the roof, airfare rates are 100%+ up, the girls are more demanding and flakey. Girls who charged me 300-350 mil cop per date in 2021 now want 500-700 mil cop.[/QUOTE]Inflation has a lot to do with the adjusted rates.

[QUOTE=Artvand1;2808065]Hey guys, this question might not have been asked here before. I working remotely so I was planning to get the digital nomad visa for 2 years and plan to set up shop in Colombia. I speak Spanish fairly well. I am not looking to monger per se, but would love to anywhere in Colombia. But the recent news about drugging and murder makes me wary. If you don't plan to monger or only monger a little how safe is Colombia for living long term and for long term relationships. Thanks, muchas gracias![/QUOTE]I have a friend that lives in MDE. He loves it. I believe he is retired.

The thing I can't get around in MDE is that where there is smoke there is fire. I've been doing pretty serious research on Scopalina and the dangers of MDE. I'm not gay, but I don't have anything against gay people whatsoever. The intel I received is that the gay pay for play scene in MDE is thriving and there is a huge scopalina risk for gay, affluent Gringos. Similar risk for affluent out of shape Gringos constantly looking to low ball chicas over $6. The Police in Colombia aren't all that respected by Colombians. Whatever you do don't count on them for anything. Check out the you tube videos of Americans that got scoped, overweight, out of shape, and effeminate seem to be common themes.

My Spanish tutor is from Bogota. She has told me that there is no safe place in Colombia, even for Colombians.

The Colombian chicas are flat out gorgeous. The Colombian men I've met in the US have told me that if a Colombian lady really loves you then they are surprisingly faithful. I juxtapose that with the Colombian men I met in MDE, they sure do seem to call ladies Putas, and they do it often.

I believe a suburb of SJ, CR would be a far safer place to be a digital nomad. Great weather, big CIA ops center, lots of retired CIA live there. The Switzerland of Central America.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2808261]At age 67 I am finding the young pussies are not that interested even though I have money. They say 1. Age difference and 2. Their young children are the reasons they are not interested in a real relationship. I do have money, but am careful with it, do not let women's pussies let my little brain get taken advantage of.[/QUOTE]Relationships are fraught with BS and disaster.

You could be 100 at NewLife and as long as you can walk up the stairs you're in business.

Hang out at the Mansion in MDE. I met people older than 67 that were seeing multiple chicas everyday.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808042]And this is the quoted post.

when you can just imagine what you have is just as good? That is pure genius. It is like you read the minds of most of the guys on the forum.[/QUOTE]Um GFE? What? 3 years ago my first trip to Colombia lasted 6 weeks. I stayed in Bogota the first 3 weeks at Bacatá tower. I think it was an ISG secret back then. LOL.

The first Colombian / SA girl I met was a sweet & very fit blonde BABE. She could compete for Miss Universe. . She said I was an "animal" I liked that. She got me started on this crazy search.

The 2nd was a model / violinist / college girl – she had only cold water for showers at home, she was that "small town girl who didn't know how beautiful she was" Climbed Monserrate while I slept and came back to cook for me. That was then. Now it's trips to Dubai.

Both spoke perfect English. No Condoms, they were single then and WOW what a great way to start 6 (so far) trips to Colombia.

The rabbit hole is addicting.

(xyztravel quote).

THEN came Medellin. OMG. The times they are a Changing' too fast maybe. 3 years later. So much to tell / remember but not today.

Visits to this fantasy world are hard to describe. It's better to live there. I hope to keep some things sacred. LOL, already there are millions of youtube video views about Medellin, 10,000 digital nomads, 20 hostels.

I've met beautiful, interesting and amazing women in Colombia. Keeping them? I did that in the USA usually it ended with heartbreak I never understood that it was possible to meet so many 10's without commitment, without heartbreak, preserve those memories and even revisit. It's difficult to believe that GFE is normal there well, it's OK for a lot of them. I guess I still have some of that USA brainwashing. It's not as much fun having sex just for the pleasure. So be nice, take your time and you too will find more than one amazing girl. And save those memories. Stay in touch with them.

ISG is a amazing resource. Watch your 6 and enjoy it while you can. Before the whole world shows up.

I always have trouble getting photo's to upload.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2808167][URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/solidaridad-qhubo/mi-ciudad/turistas-estarian-haciendo-y-deshaciendo-en-urbanizaciones-de-medellin/[/URL][/QUOTE]Enjoy it fellas because in the next 5-15 years prostitution will be illegal in Colombia and this fantasy world will no longer exist.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808378]Enjoy it fellas because in the next 5-15 years prostitution will be illegal in Colombia and this fantasy world will no longer exist.[/QUOTE]Where does it say no hookers?

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807706]The truth hurts and as much as I hate to admit it I'm being delusional and you are right.

I'm reconsidering going to Colombia based on your post.

I have this stupid thought that me and a chica could hang out and trust each other.

I would never steal from anyone that's just not how I roll.

These chicas and gangs are going to scope the wrong gringo one day and it's going to be ugly.

I just don't understand why the need to scope me. Shit I will make it worth their while and come back with friends. It just seems bad for business.

Thanks for telling me the truth.[/QUOTE]Columbia in general and Medellin are really dangerous.

[URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/ultimas-noticias/judicial/capturados-los-investigan-por-extorsion-a-500-comerciantes/[/URL]

You can get the news of crime in this link to get an idea what type of place it is.

[URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/categoria/ultimas-noticias/judicial/[/URL]

I am really dropping my plan to visit medellin.

If I do also, I will stay in the Mansion and will do incalls (means I will call them to either Mansion or Love Motel like 3dSuites) from FB and SA girls. May be I will use love motel like [URL]https://3dsuite.co/tarifas.[/URL] for incalls.

Or if I wish to take more risk, I will use the casa and will use uber or other registered car service to move to the casa from my hotel.

It seems Mexico city is less dangerous in terms of petty thefts and robberies but it is another level if you somehow get caught in narco cartels which may be very unlikely in touristy areas like Roma, condesa.

It is from the reading of this forum. I donot have any ground experience till now but reading is enough to understand the situation.

It doesn't. The report is about imposing a 30 day minimum rental period for properties that are not licensed for shorter term tourist rentals. The references to "inappropriate behavior" is standard tabloid coverage of foreigners here.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2808385]Where does it say no hookers?[/QUOTE]

In Medellin now. Arrived yesterday. Parque lleras was pretty quiet last night bc of the rain. The only ones there were centro rats. Had some cover and drank a beer under a tree right across from Gusto. The women going in were not great. In fact, in the 1/2 hour I was there, there was not one I would do. Headed to La Isla and got a few numbers. Anyone ever fuck in the club? Or is it numbers only. Disappointing night.

Spent today recovering and got a cute 19 yo college student from seeking with a fat ass and great tight body. Ate her for a looong time. She was getting into it with the "me venga". Great sex. All usual positions. No BBFS, but BBBJ and blasted in her mouth. One of the things I love about 19 yo college students is the willingness to swallow. $400 mil COP.

If anyone else here, hit me up. Let's get some drinks.

Wish we could distribute this to everyone who is thinking of visiting Medellin or who has been in the past, but has not visited in a while. I sure would be happy with many less gringos visiting (especially the ballers and weekend warriors) and ruining everything! .

[QUOTE=Aksmn;2808398]Columbia in general and Medellin are really dangerous.

[URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/ultimas-noticias/judicial/capturados-los-investigan-por-extorsion-a-500-comerciantes/[/URL]

You can get the news of crime in this link to get an idea what type of place it is.

[URL]https://www.qhubomedellin.com/categoria/ultimas-noticias/judicial/[/URL]

I am really dropping my plan to visit medellin.

[/QUOTE]

ANd even if it did, economically Colombia cannot afford to get rid of prostitution. Tourism dollars, support for poor chicas with kids, etc. Despite how much some politicians and rich folks *****, the realit is that they really need us and prostitution to limit social unrest. Think of what would happen if girls could not longer pay for rent and food and to raise their kids. Think about hotels, restaurants, taxis. Not realistic.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2808385]Where does it say no hookers?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2808375]Um GFE? What? 3 years ago my first trip to Colombia lasted 6 weeks. I stayed in Bogota the first 3 weeks at Bacat tower. I think it was an ISG secret back then. LOL.

The first Colombian / SA girl I met was a sweet & very fit blonde BABE. She could compete for Miss Universe. . She said I was an "animal" I liked that. She got me started on this crazy search.

The 2nd was a model / violinist / college girl she had only cold water for showers at home, she was that "small town girl who didn't know how beautiful she was" Climbed Monserrate while I slept and came back to cook for me.

Both spoke perfect English. No Condoms, they were single then and WOW what a great way to start 6 (so far) trips to Colombia.[/QUOTE]It is easy to talk about the princesses and no doubt that is where we spent most of our time, but like this guy Davv posted, you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you get one. Still, the excuses guys make up for not spending $100 to have access to the women we do are nuts. You imagine what the women are like? You know what ALL their motives are? And the funny part is guys using IG and Facebook to engage in P4 P. Were IG and FB set up for that? But if a woman is on Seeking, she has to be X. Truth is you get diamonds and coal there and everything in between.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2808375]I've met beautiful, interesting and amazing women in Colombia. Keeping them? I did that in the USA usually it ended with heartbreak I never understood that it was possible to meet so many 10's without commitment, without heartbreak, preserve those memories and even revisit. It's difficult to believe that GFE is normal there well, it's OK for a lot of them. I guess I still have some of that USA brainwashing. It's not as much fun having sex just for the pleasure. So be nice, take your time and you too will find more than one amazing girl. And save those memories. Stay in touch with them.[/QUOTE]Don, I wish I could tell you being with one woman was part of some plan. Truth is we are at the airport and Cancun and the gal is balling her eyes out saying, "I am never going to see you again. " My definition of a 10 is someone who drives both sexes crazy and this girl did just that. But then I was like, "Holy shit, this girl is in love with me. " I really did not know her all that well. I had sworn off oneitis and had created this list of boxes that I was sure no one would ever check, and at the time, I was not sure even she could check them. There were just no red marks.

Yeah, there is less materialism, less entitlement, less complaining, less playing the victim, less emasculating behavior in Colombia than the USA, but it is still there. Then there are the druggings and petty theft we see, so anyone with stars in their eyes about finding "the one" in Colombia is likely going to be in for a swift reality check.

And there is no doubt that seeing multiple women is more of a rush; there are the oh so high highs and the lows no one wishes to mention. Meeting so many different women was fun. I miss my Cancun trips with multiple women. They were a fucking ball.

And you are making trade offs. Fun for security. Deeper more lasting family type relationships versus exciting more numerous superficial ones. A relationship you can share with the world versus the fun multiple ones you kind of have to hide. More intimate sex versus more fun sex. Forget the society bullshit. Those are the real tradeoffs you have to make if you are with just one woman, and it damned well better be the right woman. The cost of multiple women in the USA is sky high but it is doable for many in Colombia.

And how many women are really worth that tradeoff of forsaking all others? Giving up your monogamy? Very few in Colombia and even fewer in the USA. In fact, I think if you are looking for that one special woman you are way more likely to convince yourself said girl is "the one" than actually find her. And there are the objective traits all guys want and the subjective ones that vary woman to woman. "The one" woman has to have both the objective and subjective. I have listed the objective but not the subjective. For example, my gal is an idealist which might put off many guys who want a more real type woman not one that could be called nave.

I guess what I am saying is that if you force yourself into believing there is "the one" as society wants you to I am not so sure it works. With me, it just fell in my lap, and I took it slow so as to prevent getting hurt.

As with me, it might not even be your choice. Some old movie said the most attractive feature in a woman was a woman in love with her man. I am sure that has happened with you and will again. The question is if you grab onto it or let it go when that window is open.

I am hanging with my friends, and two gripe that their wives do not pick up when they call. Meanwhile, my gal calls me looking good and is all smiles and bubbly happy to speak with me. They want that. Who does not want that? But the thing is there is the tradeoff. I know a guy like you is banging a ton of beauties having a ball, and I do not get to do that anymore. It is that reality, that tradeoff those guys and hell some of the guys here do not get, but you do.

If you move from the many to the one, chances are that your happiness is more likely to go down than up. In my case, it is up but not that much, and it is more about the unhappiness being down if you know what I mean. I mean I do not have to deal with the no-shows, ripoffs, unrealistic crazy witches ETC. In general, threesomes were disappointing but there is no question that my having two or three women on a trip all at once was as fun as it gets. And there is nothing like that great rush with an amazing first or second encounter when you have that crazy great sexual find that you are getting and I am not.

So yeah, maybe the grass in my world is a little greener than yours, but Don, if so, it is not by much.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2808431]ANd even if it did, economically Colombia cannot afford to get rid of prostitution. Tourism dollars, support for poor chicas with kids, etc. Despite how much some politicians and rich folks *****, the realit is that they really need us and prostitution to limit social unrest. Think of what would happen if girls could not longer pay for rent and food and to raise their kids. Think about hotels, restaurants, taxis. Not realistic.[/QUOTE]If only that were true! Fact is, countries and cities that economically can ill afford to do so have been cracking down on prostitution everywhere. I remember the discussion we had in the German FKK forum about a club called Yin Yang in a small duch border town with Germany. The only two family hotels in town got their customers from the club. The club itself was probably the town's main business in terms of turnover and taxes. Yet the city council closed the club for good on spurious charges. Prostitution counts for nothing.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2808431]ANd even if it did, economically Colombia cannot afford to get rid of prostitution. Tourism dollars, support for poor chicas with kids, etc. Despite how much some politicians and rich folks *****, the realit is that they really need us and prostitution to limit social unrest. Think of what would happen if girls could not longer pay for rent and food and to raise their kids. Think about hotels, restaurants, taxis. Not realistic.[/QUOTE]I agree with the overall point here. Society cannot afford to get rid of prostitution. But not all that much to do with us foreign mongers. The real economy is the local economy, and in the prostitution business here my guess is that the local part is 95% of it, and we foreign mongers may be a focal point, but mostly irrelevant to the economy.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808463]The real economy is the local economy, and in the prostitution business here my guess is that the local part is 95% of it, and we foreign mongers may be a focal point, but mostly irrelevant to the economy.[/QUOTE]Didn't covid show that in various countries where foreigners think they are making a difference? No foreigners for 2 years in some cases, yet all these hookers managed to survive.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808448]It is easy to talk about the princesses and no doubt that is where we spent most of our time, but like this guy Davv posted, you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you get one. Still, the excuses guys make up for not spending $100 to have access to the women we do are nuts. You imagine what the women are like? You know what ALL their motives are? And the funny part is guys using IG and Facebook to engage in P4 P. Were IG and FB set up for that? But if a woman is on Seeking, she has to be X. Truth is you get diamonds and coal there and everything in between.[/QUOTE]Well of course it is possible to walk into a barbecue restaurant and pick out a couple of dishes to make up a vegetarian plate, but how many vegetarians are regularly walking into a meat house to get a vegetarian meal? If one wanted to find a needle it would make much more sense to go to the sewing aisle at Walmart than to look in a haystack.

Seeking is a haystack full of hookers. Who pays $100 to dig through hundreds of hookers in hopes of finding the 2 chicks that stumbled on the site by happenstance and are not there to sell pussy? There are not women signing up for the site that are not initially looking for what the site is advertising the same as no chick's first introduction to facebook was to sell pussy.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808463]I agree with the overall point here. Society cannot afford to get rid of prostitution. But not all that much to do with us foreign mongers. The real economy is the local economy, and in the prostitution business here my guess is that the local part is 95% of it, and we foreign mongers may be a focal point, but mostly irrelevant to the economy.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is tolerated across Latin America but not celebrated. There's a reason why there's no signs identifying the casas in Medellin, the same as to why rooms are typically hidden in the strip clubs and the locals use the many love motels with private garages. Discretion is the norm. Guys who party it up and parade hookers in and out of apartment buildings and hotels used by the locals are well outside the norms. All are free to do as they will but don't complain when there are consequences. And you are very right, Colombia doesn't need that kind of tourism.

[QUOTE=Aksmn;2808398]Columbia in general and Medellin are really dangerous.




Or if I wish to take more risk, I will use the casa and will use uber or other registered car service to move to the casa from my hotel.



It is from the reading of this forum. I donot have any ground experience till now but reading is enough to understand the situation.[/QUOTE]In all the world there is no safer place to Monger than a Casa in MDE.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2808565]In all the world there is no safer place to Monger than a Casa in MDE.[/QUOTE]Casas are managed and customers are monitored by big guys. Popular casas girls and mamasans have ties with them. You are inviting trouble if you ask them date and meet them outside. It happened to friend of mine. He was banned from casa later to avoid any trouble from him.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2807859]I do listen and I appreciate the advice.

I've been to CR 3 times, MDE once. I did 4 years in the Military and carried a rifle everyday I worked. I was in the first Gulf War, and I can still mix it up if I have to.

If a young lady that I think is hot will let me make out with her, have sex with out a condom, and be nice to me for less money than I can take a fat American lady to Applebees than I consider her a friend and a damn good one at that.

If someone scopes me I'm going for a blood choke and we will be flying with the Angels together.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you'll understand it this way.

I spent 8+ years in the Navy. The people I worked with weren't just friends, they were shipmates. You should understand the brotherhood. We worked, played and partied together. If there was a fight, they would jump right in with me.

But if I left my locker unlocked and walked away for 5 minutes someone would steal my shit.

Have all the fun you want with the girls. Just remember, given the opportunity, most of them will steal from you.

I highly doubt I am the only one who routinely gets contact details and meets casa girls outside the casas. So far so good but I will keep an eye out for big guys from now on.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2808575]Casas are managed and customers are monitored by big guys. Popular casas girls and mamasans have ties with them. You are inviting trouble if you ask them date and meet them outside. It happened to friend of mine. He was banned from casa later to avoid any trouble from him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2808346]
my GF told me that 3 of her friends found boyfriends in seeking. One of them was expecting a baby and the other got married. I think if you really take the time and allow yourself the opportunity to get to know these girls, you can find that they are just normal human beings, yes they need money, but they also want a better life and future, they long for someone to love them, to adore them, to take care of them in every aspect. They want sex, money and happiness. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Great comment. Someone that understands that working girls are human too. You can say they are all like this or all like that. They each have their own needs and desires. You just have to find your own good match. If that's what you seek.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2808575]Casas are managed and customers are monitored by big guys. Popular casas girls and mamasans have ties with them. You are inviting trouble if you ask them date and meet them outside. It happened to friend of mine. He was banned from casa later to avoid any trouble from him.[/QUOTE]I have done it countless times in many of the casas. Never had a problem. Just do it discretely.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808042]And this is the quoted post.

Recondite, you are going to be very popular on this forum. Heck, we should put your post up for links of distinction.

What do you call a guy who is having bareback sex with the most beautiful women he has ever seen for 8 months? In this forum, I agree the word sad does come to mind.

And why pay $100 for a selection of women possibly as hot as the one Davv had when you can just imagine what you have is just as good? That is pure genius. It is like you read the minds of most of the guys on the forum.[/QUOTE]I'll admit my phrasing came off a bit harsh. My point in the grander scheme and in terms of the law of averages is that if you want a girlfriend look for a normal girl that is not p4 p. Seeking is not the best way to find that. There is nothing wrong with having a sugar baby if you know what you are getting into and know what you want. Can that relationship transform? Sure. His and other people's posts are proof. But, a site like Seeking is explicitly designed to link sugar daddys to babies. Now does Seeking magically have all the most attractive girls ever on it who would never open a personal Facebook or Instagram account? I don't think so. I've been messaging back and forth about a girl I went out with who is on Facebook and Seeking. My thinking is the primary thing that Seeking can do for you is save you time and efficiently link you with a pool of attractive women that are open to being a sugar baby (again there is nothing wrong with that).

I invest a decent amount of time on Facebook and Instagram looking for women up to my standards. You need to build out your list and there is a game. That investment of time is not worth it for everyone. But, guess what my price for all night, mindblowing sex sin condon with the most beautiful woman I've ever slept with (anywhere in the world not just Medellin) was? Taxis back and forth and I threw in 50 k as a gift for her sister who was taking care of her kid for what she thought would be a few hours but ended up being all night. Am I a player or extraordinarily handsome? No. I was half expecting this girl to quote me a price or ask me to give her a regalito at the end of the night and I would have happily paid too. The fact that it was clear that money wasn't her primary motive and that there was some crazy chemistry between us was what really made that and subsequent experiences with her stand out.

Now I'll also happily pay for sex both upfront and on the back end. There is nothing wrong with that and I wouldn't be on this site if I believed otherwise. I've been giving the latest girl I've been spending significant time with either gifts or some cash when I see her. She made it clear to me she expects some help, though she stumbles over herself to justify in her mind that she is not a prepago (which has its benefits too). She's probably the kinkiest woman I've ever met and the tradeoff there is more than worth it for me. But am I planning to make her my girlfriend or madly in love with her? No. The saying at the end of the day is "you can't make a hooker into a housewife". Are there exceptions to that rule? Yes. But I can point you towards 100 horror stories for every happy ending.

The general point I was trying to make about the online platforms is to know the tools you are using and why the chicas are using those tools. Like with anything else in life, I suggest using the best tool to achieve your desired result, though there are other, probably less efficient, ways of skinning that same cat as well. In the case of the poster, he's a younger guy that speaks Spanish and was talking about finding another girlfriend. Hell, statistically he could find the love of his life in a casa if he searched enough. But I can guarantee a lot of heartbreak, pain, and manipulation if he's falling in love with casa girls left and right. Given the fact that he's younger, can speak Spanish and is living there, he should have no problem dating hot, nonp4 p girls if he tries. It's more likely he'll have problems getting the girls he doesn't like that much to leave him alone. If his goal was to fuck different attractive women every week or have a stable of regulars I think Seeking or other more p4 p routes might be the most efficient way to achieve that goal.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808378]Enjoy it fellas because in the next 5-15 years prostitution will be illegal in Colombia and this fantasy world will no longer exist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2808385]Where does it say no hookers?[/QUOTE]It doesn't but the fact there willing to send policia to catch gringo's in the act is something I haven't heard before. It's true, as of now Colombia cannot afford to get rid of prosititution, however that will not be the case in the next 5-15 years, especially when the USD collapses.

[QUOTE=XXL;2808449]If only that were true! Fact is, countries and cities that economically can ill afford to do so have been cracking down on prostitution everywhere. I remember the discussion we had in the German FKK forum about a club called Yin Yang in a small duch border town with Germany. The only two family hotels in town got their customers from the club. The club itself was probably the town's main business in terms of turnover and taxes. Yet the city council closed the club for good on spurious charges. Prostitution counts for nothing.[/QUOTE]Yes, and it's in part because the west is spreading it's influence to south America, and even SEA.

It's only ging to get worse for us, never better.

Didn't get to write a report yesterday skipped a day being so busy.

Saw girl#1 from fb for half price I wrote about in first post. Thursday. This date was even better than the first. More GFE, not just french kissing, talking on a deeper level, told me she wishes she doesn't have to charge me but needs the money for university and an old phone she needs fix. I told her en tiendo, if she was living in the states it probably be a friends with benefits situation. She said she came twice, I know she did once, we can feel the gush. Details are vague. Encounters are beginning to all run into each other mixing up all the girls experience but she is still fav as of now. This date lasted 4. 5 hours 2 pops BBFS $150 k mas taxi. May have been 100 forgot what the half price was. But were supposed to go shopping Monday for fake designer shit. I'm interested to see if she asks for money, if she doesn't I may shoot her something for her time.

I notice it's quite easy to get oneitious your first couple days here. Hell, it's my first trip and never experienced anything like this. But my heart is begining to darken and begining to see the girls who are generally into me and the ones that are 100% seeing me for the $$.

Saw a new fb girl # 3 at 10 pm Friday night. She is pretty. Tattoos everywhere, a little intimidating but saw her anyways. She's a real sweetheart. Didn't get annoyed at google translate like girl #2 did. Before she arrived I was stressing about all the cum stains on my comfortor. Can only flip it so many times. So she arrived and I did my normal routine, grab her hand from taxi, lead her to my airbnb, "quieres un snack o algo de beber?" She wanted Aqua. Ok. Sat, chatted through google translate, the goal is to get them interested in me and to ask a few questions. She does. She laughs at a couple of my dumbass jokes in spanish. About 15 minutes later I grab her hand and lead her to the bed room. Te gusta la msica regguetand? There answers always "si". So I put some reggueton on my boom box I brought from the states, comes in handy. She startes singing along and I go to the bathroom. I come out and she goes to the bathroom. She comes back with both our drinks from the kitchen area and brings them to the bedroom. Red lights and sirens are going off beginning to fuck up my date. I just tell myself don't drink that shit, it's scoped! So she tryed talking to me via google translate but she sees my vibe changed after those drinks came in unattended. She starts chatting and a lip kiss to help change my vibe back. She's hot so it starts working. Her voice is soft and when she speaks spanish it sounds like she's singing. We sit next to each other and start touching one another.

About 10 minutes went by the time the clothes came off. Felt like I was in a porn set with how slow we were taking each other shit off. She giggles a lot. Nerves maybe? Who knows. I get the "me gusta amor" I'm thinking "no ***** tu gusta 200 k pesos" she's gives me a pretty good blow job, great eye contact. 15 minutes later I flip her over on her back for missionary. Tight. My guess non-pro. She sees me began to sweat and says "vamos a cambiar papi" shit sounds like a good idea to me I thought. So she got on top and rode for a solid 15 minutes befre I saw her sweating and I tease her with "vamos a cambiar papi smirk" She giggles and I flip her doggy for the BBFS pull-out. After the deed is done I "un momento" her for the clean up rag. During this time the chick is normally getting dressed. When I got back she wasn't, she was still laying there naked. I gave her the cleanup rag (I really got to by some baby wipes tomorrow) and she used it, than went to the bathroom. I started getting dressed and she layed back down in the bed and pointed at me to join her. WTF? Ok. So I lay down with my boxers on and she takes them off. Now I'm thinking it's just too soon for round 2. But instead she grabs me into her and cuddles the fuck out of me like I'm her teddy bear and legit falls asleep on me. WTF? Ok. Guess she wants to spend the night.

I cuddled her like I was 20 yrs old and she was my 3 month GF and we both feel asleep. I woke up a few hours later due to the pain of my arm going numb. (You know how you cuddle a chick with one arm and don't know what to do with the other awkward arm, which eventually goes numb and hurt. Yea) So I barely slept last night. She really wanted intimacy, and I get it with these single working girls with no man at home. But as soon as I roll over to relieve some pain from my arm she intertwines my legs where I can't move at all. Than she faces me back towards her. She woke up everytime I stopped holding her, PIA and a real sleepless night. I don't even cuddle my wife this long *****, is what I was telling myself than I watch her sleep for a bit and think to myself, fuck this girl is gorgous! So I suck it up and eventually my arm goes numb and so does the pain and I fall asleep. Woke up with her on top of me a few house later thinking round 2. Nope just more fucking cuddling. WTF. We slept in until about 8 am before she finally stopped holding my hands and un-intertwined my legs with hers so I can escape. I let out the biggest sigh of relief with my first stretch. We showered together, she got dressed and I told her I wasn't expecting you to spend the night. She said in spanish neither was she but we slept rich together. I than told her No pago for overnight but she said I already paid her enough with the cuddling and shit. I did give her an extra 50 mil because honestly it was nice not sleeping alone for once. Being a monger / ho gets lonely after a while. She's been texting me all day, even recently saying something along the lines of "more rich sleep tonight papi, I need you" I wonder if I told her to swing by just to sleep if she would ask for money, OF COURSE! It's all a ploy to extract as much money out of us. I told her no maybe some other-time though. She's a really sweet girl and I will be seeing her again soon.

I met a fellow monger today which was a great part of the day. We both stay pretty close in the Lauerles area. Nice to know your not alone in this hobby. We met at unicentro, on Friday, went to El centro behind vericruz church searching for some hot vennies sw's. Saw maybe 1 or 2 but was more or less there checking out the seen. There pretty aggressive, touched us both a few times walking by. It was a good day today. Trying to meet up with another fellow monger in el poblado at some point. Wanted to give him a shout out for the gym recommendation. Will be joining tomorrow inside the unicentral mall.

FB girl # 4 to be continued. No time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808448]It is easy to talk about the princesses and no doubt that is where we spent most of our time, but like this guy Davv posted, you have to kiss a lot of frogs before you get one. Still, the excuses guys make up for not spending $100 to have access to the women we do are nuts. You imagine what the women are like? You know what ALL their motives are? And the funny part is guys using IG and Facebook to engage in P4 P. Were IG and FB set up for that? But if a woman is on Seeking, she has to be X. Truth is you get diamonds and coal there and everything in between.

Don, I wish I could tell you being with one woman was part of some plan. Truth is we are at the airport and Cancun and the gal is balling her eyes out saying, "I am never going to see you again. " My definition of a 10 is someone who drives both sexes crazy and this girl did just that. But then I was like, "Holy shit, this girl is in love with me. " I really did not know her all that well. I had sworn off oneitis and had created this list of boxes that I was sure no one would ever check, and at the time, I was not sure even she could check them. There were just no red marks.

Yeah, there is less materialism, less entitlement, less complaining, less playing the victim, less emasculating behavior in Colombia than the USA, but it is still there. Then there are the druggings and petty theft we see, so anyone with stars in their eyes about finding "the one" in Colombia is likely going to be in for a swift reality check.

And there is no doubt that seeing multiple women is more of a rush; there are the oh so high highs and the lows no one wishes to mention. Meeting so many different women was fun. I miss my Cancun trips with multiple women. They were a fucking ball.

And you are making trade offs. Fun for security. Deeper more lasting family type relationships versus exciting more numerous superficial ones. A relationship you can share with the world versus the fun multiple ones you kind of have to hide. More intimate sex versus more fun sex. Forget the society bullshit. Those are the real tradeoffs you have to make if you are with just one woman, and it damned well better be the right woman. The cost of multiple women in the USA is sky high but it is doable for many in Colombia.

And how many women are really worth that tradeoff of forsaking all others? Giving up your monogamy? Very few in Colombia and even fewer in the USA. In fact, I think if you are looking for that one special woman you are way more likely to convince yourself said girl is "the one" than actually find her. And there are the objective traits all guys want and the subjective ones that vary woman to woman. "The one" woman has to have both the objective and subjective. I have listed the objective but not the subjective. For example, my gal is an idealist which might put off many guys who want a more real type woman not one that could be called nave.

I guess what I am saying is that if you force yourself into believing there is "the one" as society wants you to I am not so sure it works. With me, it just fell in my lap, and I took it slow so as to prevent getting hurt.

As with me, it might not even be your choice. Some old movie said the most attractive feature in a woman was a woman in love with her man. I am sure that has happened with you and will again. The question is if you grab onto it or let it go when that window is open.

I am hanging with my friends, and two gripe that their wives do not pick up when they call. Meanwhile, my gal calls me looking good and is all smiles and bubbly happy to speak with me. They want that. Who does not want that? But the thing is there is the tradeoff. I know a guy like you is banging a ton of beauties having a ball, and I do not get to do that anymore. It is that reality, that tradeoff those guys and hell some of the guys here do not get, but you do.

If you move from the many to the one, chances are that your happiness is more likely to go down than up. In my case, it is up but not that much, and it is more about the unhappiness being down if you know what I mean. I mean I do not have to deal with the no-shows, ripoffs, unrealistic crazy witches ETC. In general, threesomes were disappointing but there is no question that my having two or three women on a trip all at once was as fun as it gets. And there is nothing like that great rush with an amazing first or second encounter when you have that crazy great sexual find that you are getting and I am not.

So yeah, maybe the grass in my world is a little greener than yours, but Don, if so, it is not by much.[/QUOTE]I purposely didn't edit it as the entire post is a gold nugget, thanks!

I'm getting into Medellin tomorrow and high on my priority list is finding a good sports bar for a big boxing fight this weekend. Do you guys have any recommendations? Preferably somewhere with some attractive girls. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2808576]Perhaps you'll understand it this way.

I spent 8+ years in the Navy. The people I worked with weren't just friends, they were shipmates. You should understand the brotherhood. We worked, played and partied together. If there was a fight, they would jump right in with me.

But if I left my locker unlocked and walked away for 5 minutes someone would steal my shit.

Have all the fun you want with the girls. Just remember, given the opportunity, most of them will steal from you.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

The saying we had is trust me with your life but not your money or your wife.

I've had sex with wives along the way. It haunts me to this day, and I'm sure I've had ladies cheat on me.

I draw a red line with stealing. Friend or Foe I won't steal.

Peace!!

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808598] She's a really sweet girl and I will be seeing her again soon..[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are having a great time. I've been trying to find girls on FB but I haven't had any luck. Do you mind sharing some tips?

I tried every ATM unicentro Laureles on Calle 66 has to offer. The Red Aval Cajero has the best transaction fee 18.500 cop at 1. 000.000 pesos. This ATM allows you to take up to 1. 500.000 milland pesos out at a time. Capital one does not charge transaction fees so all I pay is the trasaction fee of 18.500 cop = $4. 19 USD. I don't know the transaction fee for 1. 5000.000 cop as I haven't took that much out yet but gather its not more than $6 usd. The ATM is located on the right side of unicentro if entering from the first entrance coming from Calle 66 where Daviendaivada bank is located on your left.

ps: I have pics just trying to figure out how to get them posted, hang on..

I have to decrease the size of the pictures and I'm headed out with a fellow monger to the metro so will work on it when I get back.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808615]I tried every ATM ...[/QUOTE]Davivienda ATMs should have no fees.

Davivienda charges no transaction fee. Any fees you encounter when using their ATMs are charged by the bank that issued your card. Always decline any conversion offers. It is no more complicated than that. There is no need to post photos. They will only confuse guys further.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808615]I tried every ATM unicentro Laureles on Calle 66 has to offer. The Red Aval Cajero has the best transaction fee 18.500 cop at 1. 000.000 pesos. This ATM allows you to take up to 1. 500.000 milland pesos out at a time. Capital one does not charge transaction fees so all I pay is the trasaction fee of 18.500 cop = $4. 19 USD. I don't know the transaction fee for 1. 5000.000 cop as I haven't took that much out yet but gather its not more than $6 usd. The ATM is located on the right side of unicentro if entering from the first entrance coming from Calle 66 where Daviendaivada bank is located on your left.

ps: I have pics just trying to figure out how to get them posted, hang on..

I have to decrease the size of the pictures and I'm headed out with a fellow monger to the metro so will work on it when I get back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2808557] Guys who party it up and parade hookers in and out of apartment buildings and hotels used by the locals are well outside the norms. All are free to do as they will but don't complain when there are consequences. And you are very right, Colombia doesn't need that kind of tourism.[/QUOTE]Guys like Ostersnot and bachelor party guys will ruin it for everyone. Stroking Ostersnots ego from his posts in the past and helping the weekends partiers only shoots yourself in the foot. Getting attention from people around you (the locals) will ruin what we currently have. SO many complete idiots out there that think what happens in Parque Lleras, Laureles, and Centro do not effect the other locations. People just can not seem to be able to connect the dots on how they are all connected. If the mayor or future mayor cracks down on one location he / she will most likely crack down on ALL locations. If Medellin does it then maybe Cali or Bogota will follow suite. Dominoes.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2808575]Casas are managed and customers are monitored by big guys. Popular casas girls and mamasans have ties with them. You are inviting trouble if you ask them date and meet them outside. It happened to friend of mine. He was banned from casa later to avoid any trouble from him.[/QUOTE]I have seen security guys at a place with several girls working there that I found on one of the online sites but never at a real casa. Either your buddy openly asked for her number in front of others working there or he did it quietly but she really did not like him so she told the manager so he could not return. There are many guys that act like smooth operators in public but in private are complete jerks. He could have been one of those and paid the price for doing so. Maybe he had a habit of asking every single girl every time he went there for their numbers and they had had there fill of it.

Guys asking for the girls numbers happens all day every day is normal and expected. The girl simply says no or yes if she finds a connection. Casas would be out of business quick if they banned all the guys seeking numbers which leads me to believe your buddy messed up somehow.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808615]I tried every ATM unicentro Laureles on Calle 66 has to offer. The Red Aval Cajero has the best transaction fee 18.500 cop at 1. 000.000 pesos. This ATM allows you to take up to 1. 500.000 milland pesos out at a time. Capital one does not charge transaction fees so all I pay is the trasaction fee of 18.500 cop = $4. 19 USD. I don't know the transaction fee for 1. 5000.000 cop as I haven't took that much out yet but gather its not more than $6 usd. The ATM is located on the right side of unicentro if entering from the first entrance coming from Calle 66 where Daviendaivada bank is located on your left.

ps: I have pics just trying to figure out how to get them posted, hang on..

I have to decrease the size of the pictures and I'm headed out with a fellow monger to the metro so will work on it when I get back.[/QUOTE]And what exchange rate did you get?

[QUOTE=RupertP;2808609]I'm getting into Medellin tomorrow and high on my priority list is finding a good sports bar for a big boxing fight this weekend. Do you guys have any recommendations? Preferably somewhere with some attractive girls. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Patrick's used to have games on. Not sure if they still do. Heard Patrick was trying to sell the place.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808615]I tried every ATM unicentro Laureles on Calle 66 has to offer. The Red Aval Cajero has the best transaction fee 18.500 cop at 1. 000.000 pesos. This ATM allows you to take up to 1. 500.000 milland pesos out at a time. Capital one does not charge transaction fees so all I pay is the trasaction fee of 18.500 cop = $4. 19 USD. I don't know the transaction fee for 1. 5000.000 cop as I haven't took that much out yet but gather its not more than $6 usd. The ATM is located on the right side of unicentro if entering from the first entrance coming from Calle 66 where Daviendaivada bank is located on your left.[/QUOTE]If you had tried the Davivienda ATM and declined their conversion rate, you would not have paid any ATM fee. You could have taken out 2,000,000 pesos with one transaction. From the information you posted, you received 4415/1 exchange rate. That is close to the Visa exchange rate last Thursday, which is what you should receive today.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2808700]If you had tried the Davivienda ATM and declined their conversion rate, you would not have paid any ATM fee. You could have taken out 2,000,000 pesos with one transaction. From the information you posted, you received 4415/1 exchange rate. That is close to the Visa exchange rate last Thursday, which is what you should receive today.[/QUOTE]I didn't see him say anything about what exchange rate he got. Assuming it is the Visa exchange rate doesn't work for me because my bank doesn't use that.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808705]I didn't see him say anything about what exchange rate he got. Assuming it is the Visa exchange rate doesn't work for me because my bank doesn't use that.[/QUOTE]He said a transaction fee of 18,500 cop = $4.19 USD.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808705]I didn't see him say anything about what exchange rate he got. Assuming it is the Visa exchange rate doesn't work for me because my bank doesn't use that.[/QUOTE]Fun Luvr is right. Unless you have some Credit Union or something really strange, almost all banks use the Visa Exchange Rate to settle ATM transactions in different currencies.

The rest of his point was exactly true too. Davienda allows a 2 million withdrawal (per transaction) and there is no fee. As long as you decline the bank's offered rate you will get the Visa Exchange Rate which is always much higher.

[QUOTE=RupertP;2808609]I'm getting into Medellin tomorrow and high on my priority list is finding a good sports bar for a big boxing fight this weekend. Do you guys have any recommendations? Preferably somewhere with some attractive girls. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Patrick's Irish Pub and Proc & Ryno's Sports Bar at Parque Lleras. Both can stream any game you want.

Does anyone know of any sports bar in Bogota that can stream any game? The ones listed in Bogota (around Zona T) seems to only show games that are on normal cable TV (such as ESPN).

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2808623]Davivienda ATMs should have no fees.[/QUOTE]I decline and take Visa but best transation fee that I found.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2808623]Davivienda ATMs should have no fees.[/QUOTE]Fuck Davivienda! I spent almost an hour at the bank asking them to return my 1. 000.000 mil they stole form my bank but not spit money out. I checked "Decline banks exchange rate" and said the transaction was successful but did not spit any money at me. I have capital one so called them and the transaction went through on there end and the rep said the ATM should have gave you money. After using google translate with some manager at the Davivienda bank almost an hour did they tell me they will credit the account but my take 7-10 bussiness days. Still recieved no answer why ATM did that. I'm not the only one, other people have been scammed a couple years ago by same bank. Careful of Davivienda bank.

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Friday night saw a new fb girl. Young, told me she was 19. Was a crazy chica and we'll get into that later. Showed up in a little school dress with a pink thong and a white button up shirt. Sexy as fuck. Short little thing, no more than 5 ft. Stunning. Had a kid at 15, baby daddy's a jerk blah blah. We sit in the kitchen area, talk for 10 minutes before she asks me to put on some "musica". So I play my reggaeton playlist and it puts a smile on her face.

She comes to the room and begins dancing, pulls me into her and we start dancing and grinding on one another. "Ay amor, no sabía que sabías bailar" I respond: via a whisper in her ear "Si mamisita". She eats it all up. Clothes begin to come off and she pushed me on the bed. Starts grinding me on the bed putting my dick in and out of her chocha, teasing me. She starts signing and undressing. She gets on top and rides for about 10 minutes, really into it, she got crazy wet, which was nice. I flip her over and hit it doggy, what a fine little ass she has on her, again almost exploded, flip her missionary and she asks to milk outside, told her ok. She wants me to leche outside but holds my ass down when I tell her AH mami I'm lecheing.

Manage do get half out and half in. She lays there just looking at me with a sad look on her face. Knowing why she has that look I say I say "¿Por qué me abrazas?" her response: "porque te sentiste tan bien amor" I thought no wonder why this ***** had a kid at 15. I go and wipe up and when I get back a her drink is moved. OH HELL NO I THINK and I make sure I don't drink shit until she leaves. She ended up drinking from it in front of me but still.

She starts signing and dressing. After fully dressed she sits in my chair in the room and begins singing. She knows every single lyric to every single reggaeton song I shit you not. She even sings the lyrics before the song does. Never seen no shit like that. I tell her "escuchas mucha musica". She says she loves musica. We start talking about Tussi, told her I'm not interested. She does her signing and dancing while ordering an uber. 45 minutes pass and I'm just sitting there watching her while she sings to me. I ask, what time your uber come? She doesn't know. OK.

Now she's standing up in front of me holding a pretend mic in her hand singing to me. I had enough and got up and walked out. Came back in and showed her some in drivers in the area for 15000 pesos but than app goes down for maintenance REALLY!! NOW! So we talk a bit more and realize this girl is a st8 luntic, a beautiful lunatic. She says I'm going to flag down a cab told her none on my street told her only on diagonal. Se says ok and starts walking out told her Stop! Not without me your not, it was 12:00 am and this little 5 ft beautiful 19 yo in a mini dress is about to go out on the streets alone. She told me she's not afraid of the streets and began punching the air trying to show me how tough she is. I told her yea yea and walked with her to the end of my street. After 15 minutes of waiting (I was scared as fuck) not going to lie she flags down a taxi, but he keeps going. Another 10 minutes pass and apps is still down. Told me she's going to walk down the street, I told her not to but she gave me a kiss and said bye, so I said ok adios and went back to my airbnb, locked my doors and went to bed. I did tell her to text me letting me know she made it back safely which she somehow did. She was a complete nutcase.

Think I left off last report with Thursday night Girl #4. This girl looked young. Another FB paiesa. Asked her to bring her cedula. She said ok but when she arrived she "forgot it". Yea ok, let her in anyways and I began grilling her about her outfit and age. She looked like she still had on her school uniform, a school dress with a white school shirt. She brushed it off and just laughed. So I did my usual routine, bebe, comerir, etc etc.

Make our way to the bedroom and DAMN was she hairy. Not her pussy but her arms and legs. The fuck is this I thought. Turn off. But as soon as she started BBBJ me shit changed. The BBFS was even better. Best fuck of the trip so far. This girl can take a pounding and loved it. Choking her, etc. We finish cip about 20 minutes later. She asked if I smoke told her yea but don't have any, she gave me a pretty fat rouch and said she would stay to smoke with me but has to go to dinner because its her moms bday. Which I do believe because her mom called during date asking where she was. She said she don't mind me posting a photo of her so I will attach girl # 4. Saw her Friday night around 6 pm.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808741]I decline and take Visa but best transation fee that I found.

Fuck Davivienda! I spent almost an hour at the bank asking them to return my 1. 000.000 mil they stole form my bank but not spit money out. I checked "Decline banks exchange rate" and said the transaction was successful but did not spit any money at me. I have capital one so called them and the transaction went through on there end and the rep said the ATM should have gave you money. After using google translate with some manager at the Davivienda bank almost an hour did they tell me they will credit the account but my take 7-10 bussiness days. Still recieved no answer why ATM did that. I'm not the only one, other people have been scammed a couple years ago by same bank. Careful of Davivienda bank.

[URL]https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=833733[/URL][/QUOTE]Is your pin over 4 digits? 2 years back they changed it so if your pin is over 4 digits it won't read it but will deducte it. I had a 6 digit pin I had to change to 4 in order to use here.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2808709]He said a transaction fee of 18,500 cop = $4.19 USD.[/QUOTE]Transaction fee is nothing to do with the exchange rate.

There are 3 components to the cost of using and ATM in a foreign country..
1. The fee that the ATM charges
2. The foreign withdrawal fee that your bank may or may not charge.
3. The exchange rate that is used for the transaction

Most of the time the biggest cost by far is the exchange rate used for the transaction. That will be determined by what sort of foreign exchange clearing process your bank uses. Most USA banks seem to use the VISA facility for this, if you use your debit card to withdraw money. And assuming your debit card is operated on the VISA network with your bank. And the cost there might be around 1% for US banks, or based on the previous day's VISA exchange rate...not sure. But if you are lucky or unlucky enough to have a Canadian bank it is a whole different process, usually. Anyway. Then for sure the exchange cost will be your largest cost in the process.

In my case if I withdraw cash from Davivienda
1. There is no ATM charge
2. My bank charges $5 per foreign transaction
3. My bank charges 2.5% compared to the mid market rate at the time you withdraw the cash. So on my typical $500 approximate withdrawal my currency exchange cost is $15.50, my home bank fee is $5.00, total $20.50. If I deal with a bank here in Colombia that charges an ATM fee that is over and above the $20.50.

And the only way I will really know the cost of the currency exchange is to either just believe my bank, that it is 2.5%, or look at the rate I got and compare it to the published mid market rate on that day at that time of day. Which is hard to do. But I have done it and it does seem to correspond to what the bank says they charge, which is 2.5%

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808749]Transaction fee is nothing to do with the exchange rate.

There are 3 components to the cost of using and ATM in a foreign country..
1. The fee that the ATM charges
2. The foreign withdrawal fee that your bank may or may not charge.
3. The exchange rate that is used for the transaction

Most of the time the biggest cost by far is the exchange rate used for the transaction. That will be determined by what sort of foreign exchange clearing process your bank uses. Most USA banks seem to use the VISA facility for this, if you use your debit card to withdraw money. And assuming your debit card is operated on the VISA network with your bank. And the cost there might be around 1% for US banks, or based on the previous day's VISA exchange rate...not sure. But if you are lucky or unlucky enough to have a Canadian bank it is a whole different process, usually. Anyway. Then for sure the exchange cost will be your largest cost in the process.

In my case if I withdraw cash from Davivienda
1. There is no ATM charge
2. My bank charges $5 per foreign transaction
3. My bank charges 2.5% compared to the mid market rate at the time you withdraw the cash. So on my typical $500 approximate withdrawal my currency exchange cost is $15.50, my home bank fee is $5.00, total $20.50. If I deal with a bank here in Colombia that charges an ATM fee that is over and above the $20.50[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2808743]Is your pin over 4 digits? 2 years back they changed it so if your pin is over 4 digits it won't read it but will deducte it. I had a 6 digit pin I had to change to 4 in order to use here.[/QUOTE]Now that you mention it I believe it was. What a royal PIA that was. I'm contemplating re-trying Davivienda bank with the 4 digit pin.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808749]


In my case if I withdraw cash from Davivienda
1. There is no ATM charge
2. My bank charges $5 per foreign transaction
3. My bank charges 2.5% compared to the mid market rate at the time you withdraw the cash. So on my typical $500 approximate withdrawal my currency exchange cost is $15.50, my home bank fee is $5.00, total $20.50. If I deal with a bank here in Colombia that charges an ATM fee that is over and above the $20.50.

And the only way I will really know the cost of the currency exchange is to either just believe my bank, that it is 2.5%, or look at the rate I got and compare it to the published mid market rate on that day at that time of day. Which is hard to do. But I have done it and it does seem to correspond to what the bank says they charge, which is 2.5%[/QUOTE]Thanks for this heads-up. So Davivienda will give you 500 USD each time, not bad, I thought the limit was much lower. This would suggest if you live long-term in Colombia (and cannot often bring in loads of cash from abroad), the best strategy to spend your money is to use your foreign credit cards. Having a Colombian bank account to do SWIFT transfers is not a good idea as the bank will screw you on transfer fees + lousy exchange rate + ATM charges every time you use your colombian debit card.

By the way, can you use Master cards as well as Visa? I'm trying to devise a financial strategy for Colombia. Maybe simply flying in with 5 or 6 different credit cards is the simplest way, considering I may lose 1 credit card a month inside some ATM. Having replacement credit cards + PIN sent to Colombia being suicidal, they need to get sent back home where I can recover them three times a year.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2808749]Transaction fee is nothing to do with the exchange rate.[/QUOTE]No one said the transaction fee has anything to do with the exchange rate. You said you didn't see him say anything about the exchange rate he got. He stated the transaction fee was 18,500 which was equal to $4.19. How do you suppose he determined the USD amount of the transaction fee? He must have determined the exchange rate then divided it into 18,500 to get $4.19. Even if his bank showed the transaction fee as a separate entry, they would have had to know the COP amount and used the exchange rate to come up with $4.19. The Colombian banks who own the ATM's do not send USD amounts to the clearing houses, because they don't know what the USD amount is. That is determined by the clearing houses.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2808741]I checked "Decline banks exchange rate" and said the transaction was successful but did not spit any money at me. I'm not the only one, other people have been scammed a couple years ago by same bank. Careful of Davivienda bank.
[/QUOTE]I Around three years ago I declined the conversion rate and it said there was an error and kicked my card out. Happened at 3 different banks but only stole from me one of those times. Months later I tried a bank in another city and the same thing happened and it stole my money. I use Charles Schwab and my money was returned. I will never use that damn Davivienda ever again.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2808370]I have a friend that lives in MDE. He loves it. I believe he is retired.

The thing I can't get around in MDE is that where there is smoke there is fire. I've been doing pretty serious research on Scopalina and the dangers of MDE. I'm not gay, but I don't have anything against gay people whatsoever. The intel I received is that the gay pay for play scene in MDE is thriving and there is a huge scopalina risk for gay, affluent Gringos. Similar risk for affluent out of shape Gringos constantly looking to low ball chicas over $6. The Police in Colombia aren't all that respected by Colombians. Whatever you do don't count on them for anything. Check out the you tube videos of Americans that got scoped, overweight, out of shape, and effeminate seem to be common themes.

My Spanish tutor is from Bogota. She has told me that there is no safe place in Colombia, even for Colombians.

The Colombian chicas are flat out gorgeous. The Colombian men I've met in the US have told me that if a Colombian lady really loves you then they are surprisingly faithful. I juxtapose that with the Colombian men I met in MDE, they sure do seem to call ladies Putas, and they do it often.

I believe a suburb of SJ, CR would be a far safer place to be a digital nomad. Great weather, big CIA ops center, lots of retired CIA live there. The Switzerland of Central America.[/QUOTE]Nice to know Colombian women are considered faithful. And thanks so much for recommending SJ, Costa Rica. I will check it out for sure.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2808611].... I've been trying to find girls on FB but I haven't had any luck. ...[/QUOTE]You can find some tips in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[QUOTE=Davvv100;2808326]I wish, bro.[/QUOTE]That is a facebook girl.

[QUOTE=XXL;2808753]Thanks for this heads-up. So Davivienda will give you 500 USD each time, not bad, I thought the limit was much lower. This would suggest if you live long-term in Colombia (and cannot often bring in loads of cash from abroad), the best strategy to spend your money is to use your foreign credit cards. Having a Colombian bank account to do SWIFT transfers is not a good idea as the bank will screw you on transfer fees + lousy exchange rate + ATM charges every time you use your colombian debit card.

By the way, can you use Master cards as well as Visa? I'm trying to devise a financial strategy for Colombia. Maybe simply flying in with 5 or 6 different credit cards is the simplest way, considering I may lose 1 credit card a month inside some ATM. Having replacement credit cards + PIN sent to Colombia being suicidal, they need to get sent back home where I can recover them three times a year.[/QUOTE]Davivienda allows 2 million withdrawal, which for me in Canadian dollars is over $500, but in US dollars I'm not sure, may be a bit more or less. I just used that number as an example. And I was not talking about credit cards, I was talking about a debit card transaction. For me that is a separate card, but for Americans I'm not sure.

For sure it is best to decline the rate the ATM offers you. It usually offers a 6 or 7% cost which is higher than your own bank or your own bank's clearing house will end up passing on to you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2808549]Well of course it is possible to walk into a barbecue restaurant and pick out a couple of dishes to make up a vegetarian plate, but how many vegetarians are regularly walking into a meat house to get a vegetarian meal? If one wanted to find a needle it would make much more sense to go to the sewing aisle at Walmart than to look in a haystack.

Seeking is a haystack full of hookers. Who pays $100 to dig through hundreds of hookers in hopes of finding the 2 chicks that stumbled on the site by happenstance and are not there to sell pussy? There are not women signing up for the site that are not initially looking for what the site is advertising the same as no chick's first introduction to facebook was to sell pussy.[/QUOTE]SA has changed. I'm guessing maybe it's full of Ho's now (I know I left there with too many numbers, too many options, a year ago. And I questioned why I even posted about it here but then you & Elvis seem to be paying attention. And not all the girls I've found in Colombia were on SA. Just some of the best. They were difficult to let go.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2808595]I have done it countless times in many of the casas. Never had a problem. Just do it discretely.[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. Some girls have very strong ties with the management of the casa and they will tell if you ask to meet them outside. I once gave a tip to a girl at Zandaly and I saw her give it to the mamasan.

Tens of thousands of young men earning western wages staying in Medellin for the long term. I think that this is not bode well for mongers. Medellin already has increased numbers of men visiting. The promotion of the digital nomad Visa I think will eventually change Medellin for the worst and drive up prices. How can I not drive up prices when you have so many westerners coming earning Western wages needing to rent and looking for girls? That is my take on the digital nomad Visa.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2808596]My point in the grander scheme and in terms of the law of averages is that if you want a girlfriend look for a normal girl that is not p4 p. Seeking is not the best way to find that. There is nothing wrong with having a sugar baby if you know what you are getting into and know what you want. Can that relationship transform? Sure. His and other people's posts are proof. But, a site like Seeking is explicitly designed to link sugar daddys to babies. Now does Seeking magically have all the most attractive girls ever on it who would never open a personal Facebook or Instagram account? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]LOL. Like so many guys here, you are literally doing the sour grapes thing. Whatever preconceived notions you have of seeking, they go out the window when you meet the women. Most of the women I put in the hooker or never want to see them again category straight up. But there are a few that are in the possible sugar baby category, and a very few move up into the SB / GF category, and the women are judging me likewise.

But you have two things way wrong. Every guy I know who uses seeking has gotten tired of the hookers and is looking for better. They do not go on the site looking for love. With men, sex comes first and then love, and it is the opposite for women.

The second thing you have way wrong is that women do not go on the site because of its name. They go on it because their friends have, and their expectations are whatever their friends got: money, Iphone, husband ETC. Yes, there have been many women who have gotten their husbands from the site.

The less important thing is every guy I know who uses seeking knows there are the hooker types on the site. And sure why wouldn't the hooker types use seeking in addition to FB or IG? Yeah, I would not be shocked if there were an 80 or 90% overlap. However, what you do not see is the beautiful women who fucked me and expected no compensation. Heck, I had one girl I gave a few hundred bucks to try to give me the money back because she wanted to be my GF. I cannot tell you the top seeking girls do not use FB or IG, but I would be surprised if they did. They do not need to.

What you do not see that I do is a guy who has his big head trying not to be envious of what this guy Davv got and a little head that is envious, and you are trying to rationalize how your dick is feeling. I know when I was married, I had all the bullshit excuses about staying married that I am sure you have.

If you are really married, then you should be happy with what you got but obviously you are not and want better. The best you can get when you are married is a SB looking mostly for money, and it does not make much sense for you to have a SB or babies unless you are in Colombia. To get a quality GF, you would have to lie and lead her on. A woman is not going to open up to a married man as compared to when you are single. I have been in both spots. I know.

Obviously, your brain is winning the battle with your dick, and that is fine. It is only when your dick wins, and I am 99% sure it will eventually, that you should even look at seeking. So it is not for you and quit the nonsensical worrying about others. They have experience with the site, and you do not.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2808892]Tens of thousands of young men earning western wages staying in Medellin for the long term. I think that this is not bode well for mongers. Medellin already has increased numbers of men visiting. The promotion of the digital nomad Visa I think will eventually change Medellin for the worst and drive up prices. How can I not drive up prices when you have so many westerners coming earning Western wages needing to rent and looking for girls? That is my take on the digital nomad Visa.[/QUOTE]A different take for you on the digital nomads of which the government is estimating there will be about 45,000 of them issued in the next year and a half. I would estimate that maybe 1/2 of the Visas will go to women, and the other 1/2 say to men, some of which are gay. Of those men, a lot of them will be "non-mongers", being younger guys, so I see little impact on mongering prices, however as you mention, as Colombia develops tourism wise, especially Medellin, it will drive prices up for everything which is no surprise. And even with increased pricing that has been going on, the Country is still a bargain. Where can you get gasoline for around $ 2 USD, and get fucked for as low as $ 10 USD short of going to India or somewhere in Africa. I have noticed a logarithmic increase in tourism since the Pandemic in Medellin. Everything changes as your aware, but it's going on all over the World with prices going up everywhere, but Colombia is still at a fraction of pricing compared to other mongering venues. We can all complain about it, but there isn't much we can do about it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808906] Every guy I know who uses seeking has gotten tired of the hookers and is looking for better. They do not go on the site looking for love. With men, sex comes first and then love, and it is the opposite for women...[/QUOTE]I didn't want to quote the whole thing but great post.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808906]...But you have two things way wrong...[/QUOTE]By reading between the lines, I think what matters is the cost. If Seeking is free like Faecbook, would it make a difference? The distinction really is meaningless.

I think in your view there are two sides of Facebook, I think that is why you said top ones don't have facebook, but I think what you really are saying is that top one don't have a p4 p facebook account. That probably is something alone the line RC is looking at but he does not necessarily look for "top".

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2808892]Tens of thousands of young men earning western wages staying in Medellin for the long term. I think that this is not bode well for mongers. Medellin already has increased numbers of men visiting. The promotion of the digital nomad Visa I think will eventually change Medellin for the worst and drive up prices. How can I not drive up prices when you have so many westerners coming earning Western wages needing to rent and looking for girls? That is my take on the digital nomad Visa.[/QUOTE]So true, so many of my friends in America are planning to get it and move there. I was also considering but many folks warned me of the crime rate in Colombia. I am still considering though.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808906]
If you are really married, then you should be happy with what you got but obviously you are not and want better. The best you can get when you are married is a SB looking mostly for money, and it does not make much sense for you to have a SB or babies unless you are in Colombia. To get a quality GF, you would have to lie and lead her on. A woman is not going to open up to a married man as compared to when you are single. I have been in both spots. I know.
.[/QUOTE]If marriage sucks, is it worth it to give everything up for a woman in Colombia. Asking for a friend. Well my marriage sucks and would do anything to get out LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808906]Whatever preconceived notions you have of seeking, they go out the window when you meet the women. Most of the women I put in the hooker or never want to see them again category straight up. But there are a few that are in the possible sugar baby category, and a very few move up into the SB / GF category, and the women are judging me likewise.[/QUOTE]Are you really going to do this? So what you are saying is that instead of giving the HOOKER 200,000 pesos whenever you meet up with her, you MOVE HER UP to sugar baby and give her 2,500,000 per month regardless. He said if you want a girlfriend, not if you want someone to financially take care of. This is worse than the guys making videos in Cartagena of how easy it is to get Colombian chicks; nevermind the chicks they are going around making videos of them exchanging numbers with are hookers. Are people really this delusional?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2808640]Davivienda charges no transaction fee. Any fees you encounter when using their ATMs are charged by the bank that issued your card. Always decline any conversion offers. It is no more complicated than that. There is no need to post photos. They will only confuse guys further.[/QUOTE]This kind of begs the question as to if they are not charging a transaction fee they must be adjusting the exchange rate they give you so they can be compensated. What would be interesting to know is what rate your actually getting compared to other banks but I don't know how you would get that information. What's nice about Davienda is you can withdraw 2,000,000 COP per transaction versus other banks that are typically 1,000,000 COP or less per transaction.

A friend of mine made a newbie mistake by not bringing condoms to Colombia and now he is regretting for his life. He bought some local brand at an Exito but couldn't come in it. Do you guys know a good brand he can buy in Medellin?

I usually bring 32 x2 condoms to Colombia, but he missed me by a few weeks so I couldn't give him my surplus.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2808892]Tens of thousands of young men earning western wages staying in Medellin for the long term. I think that this is not bode well for mongers. Medellin already has increased numbers of men visiting. The promotion of the digital nomad Visa I think will eventually change Medellin for the worst and drive up prices. How can I not drive up prices when you have so many westerners coming earning Western wages needing to rent and looking for girls? That is my take on the digital nomad Visa.[/QUOTE]It will drive up prices in certain parts of the city but Medellin as a whole will be fine imo.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2808997]A friend of mine made a newbie mistake by not bringing condoms to Colombia and now he is regretting for his life. He bought some local brand at an Exito but couldn't come in it. Do you guys know a good brand he can buy in Medellin?

I usually bring 32 x2 condoms to Colombia, but he missed me by a few weeks so I couldn't give him my surplus.[/QUOTE]You can buy durex in most pharmacies or just order from rappi.

All this talk with atms and fees is such a headache. Last time I used Davidienda and banco Colombia and I got charged like a total of $30 in fees for taking out money like 3-4 times. It seems like these days it's better off to just change money at one of the malls. I think that's what I plan to do for my next trip coming up. Forget the ATM.

Sorry this forum needs to get back to reviews. But here is a warning!

50 K Shannon to leave!

So I was talking to another one from SA. (The unofficial sponsor of BB) and this cute tiny one appeared.

We have been trying to link all week. I have say this girl is the king of lighing and filters.

I call her an Uber, it's waiting 12 minutes. She stop responding so I'm like "fuck it I'll get someone else".

And cancel the ride. 15 minutes later this girl tells me she is on her way in the taxi and asking me why I canceled it! Bbeeootcchhhh the time you took to respond I could have watched an entire marathon of Seinfeld.

Anyway now I got to go meet.

Her downstairs and pay cash.

Etc. She shows up like 40 min later and as soon as I saw her I wish I put her back into that fucking uber.

She has GIANT crate face ACNE that she covers up with about 8 lbs of makeup. The closer she got the more I could see neil armstrongs footprints. We reluclantly went up the elevator as I was trying to figure out what to say.

She uses my bathroom, comes back out. Ok not only is the face a mess but she is beyond thin, she has that malnursiehed thin look to her. Like she hasn't eaten since last year.

I just muster up. Sorry this isn't going to work. I give her 50 K to leave and then call her a taxi. It's PEAK and the fucking taxi are NOT picking up. I'm like fuck! I hand her another 50 K and leave and tell her to use that and just hail one.

This see*nt has the nerve to text me while I'm upstairs "can you call me another, because the taxi is soo expensive" I'm like "stupid bEETCH that is what the other 50 K is for! Fuck off".

Here is the bitches face that tricked me. Don't be fooled by Sharron, fuck off!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2808892]Tens of thousands of young men earning western wages staying in Medellin for the long term. I think that this is not bode well for mongers. Medellin already has increased numbers of men visiting. The promotion of the digital nomad Visa I think will eventually change Medellin for the worst and drive up prices. How can I not drive up prices when you have so many westerners coming earning Western wages needing to rent and looking for girls? That is my take on the digital nomad Visa.[/QUOTE]Drop that number from tens of thousands to several hundred, maybe 1 thousand.

In a city of over 4 million.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2809007]She has GIANT crate face ACNE that she covers up with about 8 lbs of makeup. The closer she got the more I could see neil armstrongs footprints. [/QUOTE]So why don't you ask for pictures without makeup? I do not like chicks with makeup so it is normal for me to ask.

Poblado and Laureles for the weekend warriors, plus Sabaneta and Envigado for longer term residents get by far the most gringo demand. The rest of the city is not as of much interest to foreigners. The pace of construction in gringo areas is definitely not keeping up with the recent demand so prices will continue to rise in those areas until either the demand slows or the pace of construction picks up.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2809001]It will drive up prices in certain parts of the city but Medellin as a whole will be fine imo.[/QUOTE]

Going to medellin for the first time.

Not really looking to make my trip all about the girls but I will partake in a little pay for play.

Where do you guys recommend I stay?

Should I take Uber or Taxi?

How dangerous is it?

Do all hotels not allow guests? Any friendly air bnb's or hotels that allow guests?

Thanks for your help and pm me if you want.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2808892]Tens of thousands of young men earning western wages staying in Medellin for the long term. I think that this is not bode well for mongers. Medellin already has increased numbers of men visiting. The promotion of the digital nomad Visa I think will eventually change Medellin for the worst and drive up prices. How can I not drive up prices when you have so many westerners coming earning Western wages needing to rent and looking for girls? That is my take on the digital nomad Visa.[/QUOTE]Tens of thousands. Dream on. The digital nomad visa will change nothing. Most of the digital nomads that are here do just fine without it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2809011]Drop that number from tens of thousands to several hundred, maybe 1 thousand.

In a city of over 4 million.[/QUOTE]Facts, the GPD of tourism in Colombia in general is like less then 3%. There might be an uptick but it is NOT going to be like disneyland numbers or anything like that.

The big factor is the language for sure. If there is a big push for education and english here I can see something but that would also mean more economic jobs here which is not happening anytime soon.

There are maybe going to be an extra 500 dudes here a year and that's about it.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2809045]Tens of thousands. Dream on. The digital nomad visa will change nothing. Most of the digital nomads that are here do just fine without it.[/QUOTE]Overall new comers will change the real estate market. When the real estate market is booming, it will not be limited in one single area.

Just reading reports here one should know the price is changing. Remember an experienced poster was asked to pay way more money than usual in the more expensive centro club. I think there is a reason they asked for the high price. It is because by luck some other guys, likely new paid it. And in this case, the girl was also successful. This is not limited in just one club. Basically there are guys think it is so cheap and very happy to pay despite overpaying.

Many girls basically want to have a gringo boyfriend to take care of them. It does not matter if it is seeking or facebook. Just reading reports here you know people are paying for SB, and sometime more than one and he is not even in Medellin.

I have been in Medellin for a few days now and it feels about the same. I am staying in Laureles now so far the food has been great. There are definitely a lot of wonderful places to eat in Laureles. Later this week I'm going to move to Poblado for the last part of my trip. This is my fourth trip so I'm starting to get the hang of things. In my previous trips I used Facebook exclusively and this trip is no different. There are more than enough options on Facebook so far things have been going very well for the most part. There is still time for me to be drugged and robbed but so far everything is fine.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2809016]So why don't you ask for pictures without makeup? I do not like chicks with makeup so it is normal for me to ask.[/QUOTE]I also ask if they have any babies. I always ask a prostitute in Parque Lleras, or Tinder or SA if they have a baby. It's almost always a disqualifier. I am not paying hourly to look at saggy boobs.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2808934]A different take for you on the digital nomads of which the government is estimating there will be about 45,000 of them issued in the next year and a half. I would estimate that maybe 1/2 of the Visas will go to women, and the other 1/2 say to men, some of which are gay. Of those men, a lot of them will be "non-mongers", being younger guys, so I see little impact on mongering prices, however as you mention, .[/QUOTE]Some of them are Venezula IT guys, not just the "well paid" US or EU based gringo, this is a myth. The bar to entry is low. This is not an investment visa. Stop worrying about the competition.

Anyone on this forum who is here for a weekend, your market is the dumb Parque Llleras girls and some strip club broads. This is your main competition, the girls are demanding to be paid by the hour and some guys willing to throw the ask price cash at them. This is a city of four million, and every girl wants a sugar daddy to support them, just find a way to meet them.

This is the new era of Instagram, everyone wants a new iPhone, figure this out guys haha.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2809072]I have been in Medellin for a few days now and it feels about the same. I am staying in Laureles now so far the food has been great. There are definitely a lot of wonderful places to eat in Laureles. Later this week I'm going to move to Poblado for the last part of my trip. This is my fourth trip so I'm starting to get the hang of things. In my previous trips I used Facebook exclusively and this trip is no different. There are more than enough options on Facebook so far things have been going very well for the most part. There is still time for me to be drugged and robbed but so far everything is fine.[/QUOTE]LOL, that drugged and rob part, it's cheaper and safer for me to delta vacation Spain, enjoy stay safe LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2808934]A different take for you on the digital nomads of which the government is estimating there will be about 45,000 of them issued in the next year and a half. I would estimate that maybe 1/2 of the Visas will go to women, and the other 1/2 say to men, some of which are gay. Of those men, a lot of them will be "non-mongers", being younger guys, so I see little impact on mongering prices, however as you mention, as Colombia develops tourism wise, especially Medellin, it will drive prices up for everything which is no surprise. And even with increased pricing that has been going on, the Country is still a bargain. Where can you get gasoline for around $ 2 USD, and get fucked for as low as $ 10 USD short of going to India or somewhere in Africa. I have noticed a logarithmic increase in tourism since the Pandemic in Medellin. Everything changes as your aware, but it's going on all over the World with prices going up everywhere, but Colombia is still at a fraction of pricing compared to other mongering venues. We can all complain about it, but there isn't much we can do about it.[/QUOTE]Digital Nomads consist of people working remotely using Medellin's high speed infrastructure I. E. We Work sites, hostels and cyber cafes. Already they include travel bloggers / adventurers, eco tourism people, investment bloggers and well. I predict tourism will grow exponentially. Like a skyrocket! It's not their income that will increase prices but who they reach. They are MEGA influencers. I doubt many will want to visit El Centro so not too much to worry about here. They will hit the malls, take tours, eat out, fill up hotels. Might be hard to get an uber on the weekends. LOL Best to move to Bogota before it's also discovered.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2808906]LOL. Like so many guys here, you are literally doing the sour grapes thing. Whatever preconceived notions you have of seeking, they go out the window when you meet the women. Most of the women I put in the hooker or never want to see them again category straight up. But there are a few that are in the possible sugar baby category, and a very few move up into the SB / GF category, and the women are judging me likewise.

But you have two things way wrong. Every guy I know who uses seeking has gotten tired of the hookers and is looking for better. They do not go on the site looking for love. With men, sex comes first and then love, and it is the opposite for women.

The second thing you have way wrong is that women do not go on the site because of its name. They go on it because their friends have, and their expectations are whatever their friends got: money, Iphone, husband ETC. Yes, there have been many women who have gotten their husbands from the site.

The less important thing is every guy I know who uses seeking knows there are the hooker types on the site. And sure why wouldn't the hooker types use seeking in addition to FB or IG? Yeah, I would not be shocked if there were an 80 or 90% overlap. However, what you do not see is the beautiful women who fucked me and expected no compensation. Heck, I had one girl I gave a few hundred bucks to try to give me the money back because she wanted to be my GF. I cannot tell you the top seeking girls do not use FB or IG, but I would be surprised if they did. They do not need to.

What you do not see that I do is a guy who has his big head trying not to be envious of what this guy Davv got and a little head that is envious, and you are trying to rationalize how your dick is feeling. I know when I was married, I had all the bullshit excuses about staying married that I am sure you have.

If you are really married, then you should be happy with what you got but obviously you are not and want better. The best you can get when you are married is a SB looking mostly for money, and it does not make much sense for you to have a SB or babies unless you are in Colombia. To get a quality GF, you would have to lie and lead her on. A woman is not going to open up to a married man as compared to when you are single. I have been in both spots. I know.

Obviously, your brain is winning the battle with your dick, and that is fine. It is only when your dick wins, and I am 99% sure it will eventually, that you should even look at seeking. So it is not for you and quit the nonsensical worrying about others. They have experience with the site, and you do not.[/QUOTE]Thanks Elvis, with words of wisdom there is hope. . . Some of you might want to switch over to the SA part of ISG. Link is under dating agencies below. IMHO Colombia (maybe MX) is the promised land.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2809129]Digital Nomads consist of people working remotely using Medellin's high speed infrastructure I. E. We Work sites, hostels and cyber cafes. Already they include travel bloggers / adventurers, eco tourism people, investment bloggers and well. I predict tourism will grow exponentially. Like a skyrocket! It's not their income that will increase prices but who they reach. They are MEGA influencers. I doubt many will want to visit El Centro so not too much to worry about here. They will hit the malls, take tours, eat out, fill up hotels. Might be hard to get an uber on the weekends. LOL Best to move to Bogota before it's also discovered.[/QUOTE]Digital nomads, or more broadly the digital economy of Medellin, is growing most likely. But tourism overall is nowhere near what it was pre-Covid, it is recovering but not there yet. I'm in a hotel that would have been full pre-covid. And I can see two other larger hotels next door essentially. Occupancy is probably 10%. So the tourism numbers have a ways to go. And the digital nomad guys, yep, I talk to lots of them. None of them are even looking at the digital nomad visa. And they are not in the tens of thousands, and are not affecting much of anything other than the market for furnished rentals in possibly a couple of areas, although again, with tourism not back fully yet that is not much of an issue.

Cost inflation and inflation in general is an issue, but I don't think the mongers or digital nomads or even tourism has much or anything to do with that. It is more of the same that has happened and is happening in the rest of the world.

And as far as mega influencers and all of that. Who knows. If they influence tourism they may become a factor in bringing back tourism. There are a lot of backpackers and younger tourists in general, although again, not back to pre pandemic levels.

Hey guys,

Just wanted to ask what are some potential spots I can pick up a girl at that's relatively safe to go to. I had planned to meet a girl I talked to for a couple years (long story) but she flaked on me, luckily I have another girl I'm supposed to meet but she's on vacation at the beach and won't be back in Medellin till next week. I really need to get me nice few girls while I wait but the problem is I'm staying south of Laureles I believe the area is called Rosales. Do you guys happen to know of any spots nearby to pick up a girl or would I have to go to Poblado to get some action? I'm trying to take it slow since its my first time in Colombia and I'm solo so I want to be as safe as possible yet I'm still willing to risk it a bit just to get some Colombian action.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2809129]Digital Nomads consist of people working remotely using Medellin's high speed infrastructure I. E. We Work sites, hostels and cyber cafes. Already they include travel bloggers / adventurers, eco tourism people, investment bloggers and well. I predict tourism will grow exponentially. Like a skyrocket! It's not their income that will increase prices but who they reach. They are MEGA influencers. I doubt many will want to visit El Centro so not too much to worry about here. They will hit the malls, take tours, eat out, fill up hotels. Might be hard to get an uber on the weekends. LOL Best to move to Bogota before it's also discovered.[/QUOTE]I posted that about digital nomads because of a newspaper article I read about how digital nomads have priced out locals in certain big cities in Mexico. They talk about how digital nomads have caused rental prices to skyrocket and that the number of digital nomads has increase dramatically since COVID. It was a very negative article about how digital nomads have caused prices to go up particularly Mexico City.

It may not be the digital nomad Visa that causes changes in Colombia but it may just be the increase in digital nomads. It will be interesting to see what if any changes may occur in Medellin. For long time visitors to Medellin, they have already noticed the large increase in visitors and the negative impact on Medellin.

It does not affect me as much because I like to travel to different countries. I'm currently exploring Medellin but I have visited Thailand and the Philippines much more. Westerners are always complaining about how other types of visitors or ruining the city that they visit a lot. Like people complaining about the Koreans in the city or complaining about the Russians in Pattaya at least in the past. Or complaining about the Japanese or the Chinese or whatever. Things change due to circumstances and I think digital nomads for a recent phenomenon that will also change things in certain cities overseas.

Is it affecting me on this trip? Absolutely not but it is just an abstract concept for now. I have more than enough Facebook girls to entertain me on this trip. If anything, they are a bit too aggressive in trying to get me to see them. There are too many girls I want to see to see girls more than once but I try to be nice about it. I am a newcomer to Medellin so I can't compare it to the way it was a few years ago. All I know is the way it is right now is still very nice for older mongers who want to have a good time with young attractive girls for a reasonable price. That is enough for me and should be enough for most short time visitors. The reason I was thinking about digital nomads Is that in less than a year and a half I will do slow traveling as a retired person and Columbia is a country that I would consider visiting for a few months at a time.

But for now I'm just a short-term visitor for about a week or so and enjoying my visit so far.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2809079]I also ask if they have any babies. I always ask a prostitute in Parque Lleras, or Tinder or SA if they have a baby. It's almost always a disqualifier. I am not paying hourly to look at saggy boobs.[/QUOTE]There's nothing like un-wrapping a Chica and her boobs are like sunny side up eggs that kind of run.

Or a Chica whose pussy is so loose your dick doesn't even hit the sides of her vagina.

I'm guessing this is what your trying to stay clear of.

A total turn off for me and a boner killer.

However, some guys specifically look for Chicas with babies who are lactating.

I guess it turns them on when their milk is dripping out of their nipples while riding them.

And then there are guys looking for very pregnant Chicas.

At least in this situation you don't need to ask any questions. LOL.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2809179]... But tourism overall is nowhere near what it was pre-Covid, it is recovering but not there yet. I'm in a hotel that would have been full pre-covid. And I can see two other larger hotels next door essentially. Occupancy is probably 10%. So the tourism numbers have a ways to go. ...

And as far as mega influencers and all of that. Who knows. If they influence tourism they may become a factor in bringing back tourism. There are a lot of backpackers and younger tourists in general, although again, not back to pre pandemic levels.[/QUOTE]Google this term [B]Medellins Growth in Tourism Over the Years[/B]

It says.

[QUOTE]Between January and May of this year, 472,826 travelers passed through immigration controls, exhibiting a 38% growth when compared to 2019. [/QUOTE]It also says something about Medellin GDP.

I have lived in many neighborhoods. I can observe the changes simply based on Airbnb ownership or management.

[QUOTE=Artvand1;2808945]If marriage sucks, is it worth it to give everything up for a woman in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Very, very unlikely. In most cases, guys will be happier playing the field.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2809212]Very, very unlikely. In most cases, guys will be happier playing the field.[/QUOTE]The only thing I miss about being married or being in a serious relationship is having someone to talk to at dinner. That's priceless, and I miss it. I've had some ladies that can really cook and there aren't many things better than working your ass of all day and knowing at the end you get to come home and eat a delicious dinner.

I learned the hard way that just because you're married it doesn't mean you can have sex when ever you want.

It's from a movie but it's true, marriage is just like buying someone you hate a house and giving them half of your stuff. In other words they get half the money and all the pussy.

I'm planning my 2nd trip to Colombia now. I'm going full board Spanish immersion so my next report will be from MDE.

I don't use seeking, fb, tinder, or any of that. This trip I'm going to practice just talking to Chicas and being nice to them.

If I die then I get to go home to God. If I'm tortured I get to atone for my sins. If I end up in jail and suffer then I get to have God close to me. There is no downside. I either win or I learn. There is no such thing as losing.

Fui diestro, fui valiente y arrogante.

The days are really running into each other. I have to go back into my whatsapp / fb messages to see who I saw and recall the memory. Headed out to El Centro for 1st time with a fellow monger also staying in the Laureles area. What an eye opener when compared to the states. Not just the SW's and casas, but the poverty. There was this dude with no legs literally crawling around El Centro, that shit hurt seeing. Other's included black feet and almost black body, two little girls came up to me and asked for money, oldest one couldn't have been older than 9 and the other 6? Looked at my monger and he just looked down like man shit is rough. I told them lo siento pero no. My monger said they probably marked us as foreigners and their parents sent them. Good on the spot call by him. We did see 1-2 hot street walkers but didn't partake. Some are aggressive and will touch you as you walk by them. It was nice to experience El Centro finally and quit reading about it on the board. We spent about 4-5 hours in El Centro before it started pouring out which led us to grab an uber and head back.

I forgot who I saw this date, but nothing so spectacular to remember and write about.

One thing I notice is Colombians are hard working people. They get paid less than our USA counter parts yet they work 10 x harder. My observation.

Saw a pregnant SW just behind veracruz church if anyone is into pregnant woman. She was actually a bit cute.

I planning on going back to Calle 52 (behind the church) to seek out the big butt vennies Worldtravel 69 put on the map for us.

Do you bring SW's to a short stay motel? Where do you go to get the deed done? I noticed some of them were sitting on stairs in little alley ways, maybe something is up there to do the deed?

Met this girl Ann on seeking, took her out on a date at the mall, seems like a pro. She's 21 has a kid, she looks good in pics, but she has some serious baby damage on her stomach. She hides it well. It was a bit of a turn off for me. LFK upcharged on BBJ, it was 300 k for the hour also she wants you to pay for her Ubers. Her kitty is loose, boobs are a bit saggy probably from the breastfeeding. Her face is cute, but it doesn't negate all the negatives for me. I wouldn't repeat.

Curious if anyone else has seen her?

She mentioned she's super picky on seeking.

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[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809265]The days are really running into each other. I have to go back into my whatsapp / fb messages to see who I saw and recall the memory. Headed out to El Centro for 1st time with a fellow monger also staying in the Laureles area. What an eye opener when compared to the states. Not just the SW's and casas, but the poverty. There was this dude with no legs literally crawling around El Centro, that shit hurt seeing. Other's included black feet and almost black body, two little girls came up to me and asked for money, oldest one couldn't have been older than 9 and the other 6? Looked at my monger and he just looked down like man shit is rough. I told them lo siento pero no. My monger said they probably marked us as foreigners and their parents sent them. Good on the spot call by him. We did see 1-2 hot street walkers but didn't partake. Some are aggressive and will touch you as you walk by them. It was nice to experience El Centro finally and quit reading about it on the board. We spent about 4-5 hours in El Centro before it started pouring out which led us to grab an uber and head back.

I forgot who I saw this date, but nothing so spectacular to remember and write about.

One thing I notice is Colombians are hard working people. They get paid less than our USA counter parts yet they work 10 x harder. My observation.[/QUOTE]Most every thing you mentioned can be seen in the United States and Europe. Obviously you have never been to certain parts or even have the knowledge of San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Detroit, New York, Amsterdam, London, Athens, Greece, Frankfurt, Germany and many other Western Cities. Your shock constitutes living in a bubble or maybe closed minded.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809265] We did see 1-2 hot street walkers but didn't partake. Some are aggressive and will touch you as you walk by them. [/QUOTE]FYI. The ones touching you are the ones robbing you.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809265]The days are really running into each other. I have to go back into my whatsapp / fb messages to see who I saw and recall the memory. Headed out to El Centro for 1st time with a fellow monger also staying in the Laureles area. What an eye opener when compared to the states. Not just the SW's and casas, but the poverty. There was this dude with no legs literally crawling around El Centro, that shit hurt seeing. Other's included black feet and almost black body, two little girls came up to me and asked for money, oldest one couldn't have been older than 9 and the other 6? Looked at my monger and he just looked down like man shit is rough. I told them lo siento pero no. My monger said they probably marked us as foreigners and their parents sent them. Good on the spot call by him. We did see 1-2 hot street walkers but didn't partake. Some are aggressive and will touch you as you walk by them. It was nice to experience El Centro finally and quit reading about it on the board. We spent about 4-5 hours in El Centro before it started pouring out which led us to grab an uber and head back.[/QUOTE]Most every thing you mentioned can be seen in the United States and Europe. Obviously you have never been to certain parts or even have the knowledge of San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Detroit, New York, Amsterdam, London, Athens, Greece, Frankfurt, Germany and many other Western Cities. Your shock constitutes living in a bubble or maybe closed minded.

If you had mentioned the type of things you seen in Medellin but in relation to major European / American cities people would barely even bat an eye.

Sunday mornings are good days for taking pictures of medellin with your phone. Barely anyone out around 7-9 am. I walked around with my phone, felt safe the entire time. The traffic was also sparse as well. Walked to Unicentro (with phone out capturing the morning vibe) to go to the gym. They don't open until 11 am my phone said on Sundays. Fuck. So I headed back to my spot.

I came back in the mood for a date and just as I was reaching out to some prospects the first girl I saw on this trip (She literally arrived 20 minutes after I stepped into my Airbnb) hit me up on whatsapp. She looks like a light skinned Vivan Fox in her 20's. She wanted to grab lunch. Told her to come over first (Giggity) than we will get lunch. After arriving, we took some pics and she explained about the feel of the vibe from our first encounter. I explained it to her and she understood. The date started with some reggaeton music, her dancing around my Airbnb until she made it into the room. We started grinding on each other and off came the clothes. She began with a light blowjob on the corner of the bed and quickly turned into the best blowjob of my life. This chicka was sucking my dick while deep throating me. Hard to explain. Basically, she was massaging the tip using the very back of her throat somehow. And massaging the base with her tongue. Never in my life have I felt no shit like this. I could have sworn she was sucking cum straight out of my prostate with how hard she was sucking. I didn't last no longer than 5 minutes before I blew. I blew directly down her throat as my dick was still deep down her throat. She left it there for at least 15 secs after I came. Pulled it out for air, than deepthroated me again to get the last remaining drops out. Lord have mercy don't fall in love with this chick I told myself. After we were getting dressed, she whispers in google translate "Quiero que te corras dentro de mi coño profundo como lo hiciste en mi garganta" I fucking love Colombia I thought. Gave her 200 k.

We head to lunch. A nice Mexican place in Guadalupe? A bit expensive even in Colombia. We ordered a bunch of shit fair to say. Bill came to 130 k for the two of us. She paid for lunch. WTF I thought. I didn't even get a chance to pull out any money. So we take a taxi and head back to my Airbnb. I began feeling her out about round 2 to see if she was serious. I start teasing her. After a bit of chatting, I told her I need to head to Unicentro for some things. Ask her to walk with me. Stupid me because she's in high heels. But she obliges and off we go. What a cool personality she has. When you can crack jokes in a foreign language and it's funny to both parties, that shit is an awesome feeling. We were laughing almost the whole way there. I take out a small number of pesos from ATM, we go window shopping allowing food to digest and eventually head back to my spot. We get back to my place and round 2 almost immediately starts. She just jumps on the bed and begins undressing pointing to me to join her. SHIIIIT I said and joined her. She started with another amazing BJ before I couldn't take it anymore and flipped her over for doggy. Fine fucking ass she has. After about 10 minutes I get close so I tell her I'm hot and she gets on top to give me a break. She can ride dick like a champ. Think of a pendulum that rocks back and forth, that was my dick as she deep grinded me. Got close again so flipped her over for missionary. This didn't take long, 6-7 minutes before I told her leche and she grabbed my ass and pushed me into her before she started sucking on my tongue. I put it (what felt like) directly on her cervix and busted inside of her. She jumped a little so I know she felt it. She smiled and said gracias. She tried to play with some oozing out of her but barely any did as it was so deep inside of her. I really didn't want to nut inside but man these girls are good at their jobs! Thank God I gave her a fake name. I was with her most of the day, from 10 ish until 6-7 ish. This day only costed me 70 k!

We talked, she told me she wants to take me to Guadalupe (the place with the big rock and stairs) and that we should go this weekend. Told her maybe. I know I will be paying for that trip if I go. She was showing me some hotel rooms between 190 k – 480 k. A bit expensive.

We will see in a future report.

A couple hours after girl #3 hits me up. She sends me pics of her in this little tan dress with nothing under it. Told her I was tired maybe tomorrow but sent me another picture where I just couldn't say no. So she headed over, got to my spot a little before 9. Ordered some rappi for us that never came. We watched a show for about an hour on Netflix about zombies. She's the intimate one that wants you to hold her all the fking time. Which is a nice change of pace for me. So we acted like BF / GF and cuddled with her ass in a thong and a half mini shirt which only covered her tits. I was in my boxers. She kept jumping at the show LOL. It was a bit scary admittingly. Show ends, I turn off tv and lights and I try to get at her stroking her legs but she moves my hand and puts my arm and leg around her and she passes out LMAO. Does this girl ever sleep I thought. I also thought no way in hell am I paying her our full amount for this BS. She has an early class and sets the alarm on my phone for 5:45 am. I just stared at her while she was sleeping and thought MY GOD this girl is beautiful. Not an imperfection, looks like she's straight out of sports illustrated, cinnamon skin, long black hair down to her ass. Her body is also perfect. Told myself the next woman I get serious with is going to be a Colombian when I eventually move down here. I woke up to her sucking jr. Damn nice way to wake up. She than lays on her side, tells me to put my arm under her neck and holds my hand while holding my other arm of hers. She did this thing where she locks my legs so tight it applies extra penetrating pressure. Again, damn these girls are good at there job. I don't even make it to another position without busting. She asked for milk outside por fa vor so busted all over her ass. She than proceeded to put some inside her pussy. WHY I thought. She just hit me up as I'm writing this LOL. Anyways Sunday was a very busy day for me and I fell back to asleep and didn't wake up until 8-9 ish Monday morning. I love Colombia!

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809265]
I planning on going back to Calle 52 (behind the church) to seek out the big butt vennies Worldtravel 69 put on the map for us.

Do you bring SW's to a short stay motel? Where do you go to get the deed done? I noticed some of them were sitting on stairs in little alley ways, maybe something is up there to do the deed?[/QUOTE]FYI, you may or may not see any big butt vennies there on the map. The area is in flux with barricades and the normal flow of people.

The chica will always know a spot, often one where they get a kickback from. I'd say the one right by the church is a safe bet. In some ways, the closer the short time hotel, the better. Things are less likely to go wrong as they don't want to mess up their stomping grounds. I've reconsidered before after she said she had been banned from a given location for fighting. If you pick the place, you can control the situation a bit more. If you go to the place right there, it'll probably be fine. If she leads you down the block, around a corner, down another street, to somewhere, pay attention to your spidey senses and not what the little head's telling you.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2809296]Most every thing you mentioned can be seen in the United States and Europe. Obviously you have never been to certain parts or even have the knowledge of San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Detroit, New York, Amsterdam, London, Athens, Greece, Frankfurt, Germany and many other Western Cities. Your shock constitutes living in a bubble or maybe closed minded.

If you had mentioned the type of things you seen in Medellin but in relation to major European / American cities people would barely even bat an eye.[/QUOTE]I 100% agree with you as this is my first time outside of the USA, well other than being deployed with the USA Army.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2809285]FYI. The ones touching you are the ones robbing you.[/QUOTE]Facts! Thanks! I still remember Jbee's story when they tried to inch his phone out of his pocket while a vendor grabbed his attention, make sense.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2809315]FYI, you may or may not see any big butt vennies there on the map. The area is in flux with barricades and the normal flow of people.

The chica will always know a spot, often one where they get a kickback from. I'd say the one right by the church is a safe bet. In some ways, the closer the short time hotel, the better. Things are less likely to go wrong as they don't want to mess up their stomping grounds. I've reconsidered before after she said she had been banned from a given location for fighting. If you pick the place, you can control the situation a bit more. If you go to the place right there, it'll probably be fine. If she leads you down the block, around a corner, down another street, to somewhere, pay attention to your spidey senses and not what the little head's telling you.[/QUOTE]Good to know thanks, may partake Friday.

Day 7 in Laureles MDE Monday.

Went out with a fellow monger to check the metro out. Took the electric bus to the metro in Oriente. We took it all the way up and back (we didn't dare to get out off the metro). Will look back at all the pics and never forget those barrio's. Seeing them on TV compared to irl is no comparison.

We stopped for some food at a chicken place, in San Jose. The food was muy bien. I notice the meat is tastier than the states due to how Colombia raises the chicken, cattle etc naturally compared to an industry like the states.

We took the electric bus to Miraflores to ride the metro in that area. Doesn't go as high as Oriente but still captured many photos and enjoyed my time.

Could someone tell me how the Civica Eventual works? I bought one, loaded it with like 14 k than the last ride back me and amigo got stuck because no more money on card. We had to wait in a long line to recharge it at a lottery place. Though I didn't mind admiring all the 8-10's walking by but 5 hours in and my feet were killing me.

So finally got it reloaded and took electric bus to san antonio but we got off on the wrong side. So we said fuck it, we'll walk the rest of the way to suriamericana than down to laurels. Up on the bridge we got some nice videos of Colombian traffic. Maybe that video will shut my wife up about how bad usa traffic is once and for all.

We did visit Zandalya casa, as I said the days are all running into each other so don't know if we went on this day or the day prior. I didn't partake (I'm spoiled rotten sin no condon) think wearing one will give me performance issues. My Amigo took a cute little thing Daniella? With him. He enjoyed it which was a win for us.

Shout out to my fellow monger amigo with the kick-ass directions and the postday1 Levonorgestrel after the first girl scare.

The trip was about 5-6 hours, enjoyed it. No ladies to report, my feet was hurting and just wanted to get some work done, let my dick heal, than go to bed.

Tuesday's report is the scariest day of my life. To many details to start it now as I'm supposed to be meeting up with amigo to check parque lleras out in a few.

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She responded quickly and was actually just leaving the gym. I was about 9:45 and I knew I would be her first client. There is something about being first and getting that fresh puss before it's been ran thru in the morning that makes it exciting. I'm able to get the first taste and my stank on it.

She is really comfortable with me on the phone she gives me her personal number and then even facetime me to say Hello,. Her photos match the pics however I can tell she is a bit aged in her face. Never mind though she is still sexy. She later reviled she is 26 however that face was looking closer to 31. Never the less still sexy.

She lives in Medellin's most thinly veiled bordello in Poblado. Torre Del Rio. Only other building to rival that is Belmonte. She tells me I can come a little earler then expected and I make my way over around 10:30. I get to the building and by this time its a normal knee jerk to have my celdua ready for the guards to record. I make my way up and she opens the door and bam hits me with DFK.

Walking past the empty living room into the back bedroom we waste no time and start kissing even more. Her tits are soo high and perky and she turns around and digs her plug ass into my cock. My pants are bursting as she grabs even more with her ass cheeks. Her tits are super fake but her ass she tells me is from the gym. She is def athentilc but still is built for fucking.

We get to bed and remove her top and revealing her hard nipples. I keep kissing and biting and sucking and going back to kiss her neck. She removes her panties and I have to get a taste. Her pussy is soo fresh its like natural water. No musty smell or anything just pure natural snatch. Now its my turn, wow this fucking girl can suck. She is very very gentle and her mouth is like soft velvet. She sucks and licks the cock with just the right amount of suction does an excellent job with my balls as well. (Make sure you are shaved as it was a pre-requesite that she asked before she agreed to oral natrual) we been foreplay about 14 min now and its time to fuck. She puts on the rubber, gets on top and wow her pussy is actually tight!!

She knows exactly how to ride and LOVES to use the mirror to let us look at each other as we fuck. Serioslly I turned my head away, she switched position and she motions me to look back at the mirror and watch how she fucks. What a narcissist! I'm getting ready to cum and I ask her where, she says he likes it on her tits however I Dubbo why but I couldn't contain myself and just finish in the bag.

We lay down another 20 min or so, she isn't a clock watcher at all and is super relax. She tells me she is a mom and her kid has blue eyes and shows me photos. Ok a little bit tooo personal time for me to split!!

Anyway in conclusion if you want someone who is a good fuck and lots of kissing and passion with nice big surgery tits THIS is your girl!!

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2809260]The only thing I miss about being married or being in a serious relationship is having someone to talk to at dinner. That's priceless, and I miss it. I've had some ladies that can really cook and there aren't many things better than working your ass of all day and knowing at the end you get to come home and eat a delicious dinner.[/QUOTE]It is a lot cheaper to hire a cook, psychologist, and hooker.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2809260]I learned the hard way that just because you're married it doesn't mean you can have sex when ever you want.[/QUOTE]Studies show the sex goes down the longer you are involved. That is why I never thought I would get hitched. There are not many women who like sex more than men do.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2809260]Marriage is just like buying someone you hate a house and giving them half of your stuff. In other words they get half the money and all the pussy.[/QUOTE]That is if you have no prenup. It is dumb to get married without a prenup, and I did, but guys should NEVER do that. Thing is I have no idea what the laws are really like in Colombia and what the judges do there. Maybe they uphold the prenup contract and are objective, but I just do not seeing any judge in Colombia being all that sympathetic to a gringo.

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2809260]If I die then I get to go home to God. If I'm tortured I get to atone for my sins. If I end up in jail and suffer then I get to have God close to me. There is no downside. I either win or I learn. There is no such thing as losing.
[/QUOTE]It sounds like you have some religious guilt. Goal of every species is to survive and reproduce. Man does that by men fucking as many women as they can, and God made it so that fucking new pussy was more pleasurable than old. See the Coolidge effect.

I apologize for the late trip report. I hope someone will find it useful. I had a case of food poisoning that came from a pizza place in my hometown. I was sick for a week. I had made a mistake and shorted myself one day so it was only a 6 day trip instead of 7. That extra day lost made a difference.

I took a flight on JetBlue from SFO to FLL it was 10 pm flight arriving at 6:30 am (it was later due to weather affecting the route) I chose JetBlue because I was unhappy with the barebones service that I had experienced on Avianca on my first trip to Medellin. The only advantages of Avianca a national carrier for Colombia is that they help you with the registration. You don't have to Check-Mig they handle it for you when you reach the counter. Also, when I got to customs there wasn't a long line or confusion. On the other hand, with the USA carriers you have to do Check- Mig no earlier than 2 days and at least an hour before you arrive. It's worth repeating that the airlines will NOT let your check your bags or board until you can prove that you have registered. When I got to Medellin the line for customs took over an hour. However, I enjoyed the service on JetBlue far better, outstanding entertainment movies, music and Direct TV at no extra charge. There are snacks that are free they had a pantry you could get all you want. You might want to get a sandwich before you board they don't serve meals per se.

Day 1.

I stayed at an AirBNB in Laureles I spoke about it in an earlier thread. I saw 3 women on this trip and 2 were repeats from my first visit.

I saw Laura again she's 21 and a college student. She speaks and writes English fluently. She has been to Panama but not to the USA. I was thinking that she is a real working girl but that isn't the case.

When we talked the first time she asked for 250 cop. So, Laura is full figured China not fat but not a flacita either. Her tits are 36 DD I think they are enhanced. She's the best fuck I've ever had in terms of performance. There's no clock watching and it's full GFE. I have to say she gives me the longest BBBJ I have ever had, She has taken to swallowing my cum. I tried to warn her just made a noise like ok and swallowed my load anyway. It was a TLN and MSOG and she stayed with me until 4 am. I was so tired from my flight and had gas really bad. I wanted to fart so many times but she had her arms around me. She finally left I am not much of TLN guy. I've had it in Manila, Cebu, DR and Tijuana but It wasn't sex all night. There's chemistry but she doesn't sext me at all.

Day 2.

I went to breakfast at this place in Laureles called "Sweet Georgia Cafe" it's a really good gringo menu. The waitresses wear these short mini-skirts but the only I like is the shorter girls that works weekends. I get the French Toast bacon (thick slices) and eggs. They also give you sliced fruit and coffee and juice for 30 cop. On this day I went Plaza Botero to look around but I wasn't going to do anything. It was early Saturday and not much of a selection anyway. I was out there for an hour or two and got an Uber back to the apartment.

I had at least 6 contacts that I was talking to from Tinder, Colombian Cupid and Seeking. My Tinder was was just clocking on I'ts own. Listen, I'm not a good looking guy I am a fat black guy over 50 with better than average teeth. These girls were just biting so I was talking to people anywhere from 200 cop - 600 cop. These girls were fine as fuck (not necessarily hotter than the college sorority and athletes that I fuck from Seeking) these girls mostly are really nice. There are some who suffer from GPS asking for 600 cop or 300 US dollars for non GFE. So, I said "fuck it" I whittled my list down to the ones who offered full GFE. I found takers but I had stuff to do so no sexo from the list. I took a nap went out to eat and over to Parque Lleras. I was just sitting main area across the street from the clubs. I saw this little fllacita with Daisy Duke shorts on. She had sexy legs a no Tatts. She said her name was Karolina 20 Years old brunette light complexion. She spoke some English and said she is from Venezuela. She has a 2 year old and 300 cop. I got her Whats App and walked up the street away from the park. I was approached by 2 girls who said they were 19 and 20. I was kind of tired but noticed those girls had to be teenagers. Game Over I went back to apartment.

Day 3 - I had made date with Sophia from Seeking. I saw her on my last trip. She is the hottest girl in Colombia that I have met. She is 21 years old blond college student doesn't speak English. On her Whats App you can see her partying with friends at a pool in a bikini. It was a risk negotiating for BB but I did it. I offered 500 cop. She said that she's never done it before and not to cip. So, 9 pm comes along and the Uber I sent her arrives. She had some shorts on. Sophia has sexy tanned legs and no Tatts. A girly girl who reminds me of a young Olivia the'abo. We talk for a bit and she took her shorts off revealing a sexy thong. I took her to the bedroom and licked her meaty pink pussy. She was squirming and we switched positions and she gave me a mechanical BBBJ.

Wethen got into missionary and her pussy was tight it felt so good I felt skin friction soft but giving away when I got deeper. . When was all the way in she opened her mouth really wide and I could not help but to "jack hammer" and then pulled out let a load that could fill a gas tank. It felt so good. I was going to get and put my clothes on but I saw a look on her face and got right back on her and I worked over that pussy she was moaning and I pulled out and came again. I felt kind of guilty fucking a 21 year old I am 55. I gave her box of chocolates and sent her away.

Day 4- I made an appointment with Majestic Dental Group in El Poblado to get my teeth whitened. I had a faint yellow in my teeth. When I got to the place the hot manager offered me Champagne which I denied. This girl who did my procedure was 20 something morena flacita. She was wearing a mask but took it off to show me how to rinse the solution with my my mouth closed. She had the prettiest face with a mole on the right side. Didn't speak English but she was fine. I got the 90 minute treatment for 360 cop or $72 at that time.

I was talking to other girls on WhatsApp to see who was down to meet. The timeframe that people could meet due to school, work and other stuff wasn't working out. But, I get a text from Sophia from the previous night and she said that she was DTF. The chemistry with Sophia is clearly not there. This is really about money. That's okay but I told her that. She said that she would stay longer and for me to get some alcohol and we can talk. There's only one problem: she doesn't speak English. So, I had to pass.

The next girl who I met was Karen. She was actually from Colombian Cupid. I was taken aback at first because she was talking in terms of dollars rather than Colombian pesos. She wanted $100 bucks which was 472 cop. I countered with 400 and she came over. Karen had red dyed hair and was a flacita from Comuna 13 . She was ok had a small opening and the BBBJ was better than the night before but I won't repeat.

Day 5.

I was still hearing from Sophia and wanted to pull the trigger but it was too late. I just went out on this day to see Comuna 13 which was nice and a lot of cuties. I had incoming calls and messages from Seeking girls from back home. This one girl that I used to fuck bb for 200 but just ghosted me almost 2 years ago re-appeared. She said she had another kid and didn't have money blah blah blah. It was like Chris Rock said " don't let broke dicks come inside of you. " I just told her to call Sociall Services. I didn't meet anyone on this day.

Day 6.

I saw Laura again and we had sex from 8 pm to 3 am. I think she enjoys the sex and money. I like to eat fresh young pussy. The bed which was much harder than my Sleep Number and she liked it betta than the one she had at home. It was a good visit not as good as the other visit but enough for a future visit.

Return.

I didn't meet anyone on this day. I wanted to hit Sophia before returning but it didn't pan out. I was talking Karolina from Parque Lleras but she was a young Vennie and I didn't know how to verify her so I passed, Lots of women wanted to meet but not enough time or the right time. I have my 2 keepers Laura and Sophia but will add one or two more from my waiting lists.

I did have problems upon return to USA at FLL. The carousel broke down and it took 30 minutes to get my luggage that had to be re-checked. At this airport it doesn't go through. I didn't think about that. I only had 2 hours to make my flight home but 30 minutes had been wasted. The line for immigration was over an hour long. I did not have time to get food and barely made my flight. The next time I will use Global Entry it had no line at all.

When I arrived in Medellin, the line for customs was quite long like the last time. It took about 45 minutes or so. There is WiFi so you can entertain yourself on your phone as you wait.

Medellin has a number of large clean modern shopping malls. I like the food courts there and there are plenty of options for eating delicious food for a reasonable price.

Exito is an excellent supermarket chain. They have branches everywhere. They are not the same size. Some are smaller and some are huge. The big ones are quite impressive and offer everything you would need food wise.

When selecting a hotel you do have to be careful to research whether it is guest friendly. Not all hotels allow guests and some charge extra when you have visitors. You can always ask before booking. Now is also the case that some hotels have a written policy about guests but they do not strictly enforce it.

I have stayed in hotel where the policy is no guest after 9:00 pm And the girl came in at 9:30 with no problem. Another hotel said that there was a charge for each visitor but they did not charge me.

I'm still in Medellin now I would say so far the Facebook scene Is as good as ever. There are plenty of young attractive girls interested in meeting gringos to earn a little money. You just need to be patient because they may not respond to you immediately and many are not full-time professionals so you need to start with a little small talk so they can feel comfortable with you. They want to see what you look like so you should have some current pictures on your Facebook profile. It always helps to have some funny pictures so you give the impression that you have a sense of humor and not a boring serious guy.

One issue that I have is that some of the girls are very aggressive in trying to see you so they will send you a number of messages. Yes, you can ignore the messages but if you plan on seeing the girl one day, you better respond. Like many guys, I set up more options than I have time available and seems everybody wants to see you on the same day. The girls lie to you all the time so it is not a big deal to lie to the girls about why you can't see them right now.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2809456]I took a flight on JetBlue from SFO to FLL it was 10 pm flight arriving at 6:30 am (it was later due to weather affecting the route) I chose JetBlue because I was unhappy with the barebones service that I had experienced on Avianca on my first trip to Medellin. The only advantages of Avianca a national carrier for Colombia is that they help you with the registration. You don't have to Check-Mig they handle it for you when you reach the counter. Also, when I got to customs there wasn't a long line or confusion. On the other hand, with the USA carriers you have to do Check- Mig no earlier than 2 days and at least an hour before you arrive. It's worth repeating that the airlines will NOT let your check your bags or board until you can prove that you have registered. When I got to Medellin the line for customs took over an hour. However, I enjoyed the service on JetBlue far better, outstanding entertainment movies, music and Direct TV at no extra charge. There are snacks that are free they had a pantry you could get all you want. You might want to get a sandwich before you board they don't serve meals per se.l.[/QUOTE]Jetblue hands down in Economy has everyone else beat for sure. As far as AVIANCA, well they still at least from LAX to MDE fly the larger jets with Business Class sleeping seats, but when doing a search say on Google or Kayak for business class flights with 180% flat seats from the USA it will only be on COPA. I've seen one way prices on COPA business class at upwards of $ 1,200 yet on AVIANCA about $ 800 for the business class seat with no service literally except coffee or water and a tray of slop to eat for everyone on the plane. And AVIANCA has the best schedule from MDE to LAX with you being able to leave MDE at 9 AM and be at LAX at 7 PM. So no early morning departure and no late arrival.

So I set up an account for here in mde complete with pics and all that stuff. But then what now? It's a new account and I have zero friends. How do I connect with women here?

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809393] I bought one, loaded it with like 14 k than the last ride back me and amigo got stuck because no more money on card. ....[/QUOTE]I guess you ride metro (1) from Laurales to San Antonio, get on tramcar (2) to Buenos Aires to catch the cable car (3). You have two passengers so 14000 bought you about 6 tickets total, probably with some discount depending on the combination of the cars you took. The scanner will tell you how much you have left.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809516]I guess you ride metro (1) from Laurales to San Antonio, get on tramcar (2) to Buenos Aires to catch the cable car (3). You have two passengers so 14000 bought you about 6 tickets total, probably with some discount depending on the combination of the cars you took. The scanner will tell you how much you have left.[/QUOTE]San Antonio to Tranvia is integrated so it doesn't charge for the transfer. Same Miraflores / Oriente to metrocable (check metro map for all integrated stations). Not sure how does the system work for double swipes though. Best to reload the card on the less crowded stations as the queues can get long otherwise. Also, one can easily walk from Buenos Aires to San Antonio, as it's downhill (and an interesting walk anyway). Just be careful not to get hit by a tram or moto / bicycle (keep behind green painted lines).

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809516]I guess you ride metro (1) from Laurales to San Antonio, get on tramcar (2) to Buenos Aires to catch the cable car (3). You have two passengers so 14000 bought you about 6 tickets total, probably with some discount depending on the combination of the cars you took. The scanner will tell you how much you have left.[/QUOTE]5000 to buy the card initially. So subtract that too. And the cable metro costs extra compared to just using the regular metro. Anyway, 14 mil doesn't get you very far.

[QUOTE=MateoCast98;2809268]Met this girl Ann on seeking, took her out on a date at the mall, seems like a pro. She's 21 has a kid, she looks good in pics, but she has some serious baby damage on her stomach. She hides it well. It was a bit of a turn off for me. LFK upcharged on BBJ, it was 300 k for the hour also she wants you to pay for her Ubers. Her kitty is loose, boobs are a bit saggy probably from the breastfeeding. Her face is cute, but it doesn't negate all the negatives for me. I wouldn't repeat.


[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/92cb5477-e2f0-469c-930b-6e051afa9f40[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for the heads up. I'll block her.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2809281]Most every thing you mentioned can be seen in the United States and Europe. Obviously you have never been to certain parts or even have the knowledge of San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Detroit, New York, Amsterdam, London, Athens, Greece, Frankfurt, Germany and many other Western Cities. Your shock constitutes living in a bubble or maybe closed minded.[/QUOTE]Small towns, big cities, you can find it throughout the US. However, most people never see it. If it becomes too visible local government and law enforcement work to make it less visible.

The only real difference is that Colombia doesn't waste money trying to hide the existence of poverty, although I'm sure they find other ways to waste money.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2809413]She is very very gentle and her mouth is like soft velvet. She sucks and licks the cock with just the right amount of suction does an excellent job with my balls as well.
[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you had a good time. Thanks for the review.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809298]Sunday mornings are good days for taking pictures of medellin with your phone. Barely anyone out around 7-9 am. I walked around with my phone, felt safe the entire time. The traffic was also sparse as well. Walked to Unicentro (with phone out capturing the morning vibe) to go to the gym. They don't open until 11 am my phone said on Sundays. Fuck. So I headed back to my spot.[/QUOTE]Good report. Just a couple of notes.

1. It's Guatape, the lake with the big stone, not Guadalupe.

2. Sundays and holidays (I believe from 7 am to 2 pm) is Ciclovia. Certain streets are shut down ro traffic and are opened up for walking, jogging, bicycling, skating, etc. I generally refer to it as either Spandex Appreciation Day, or the Camel Toe Parade. In Laureles you'll find it around El Estadio. In Poblado they shut down 1 side of Avenida Poblado and you can follow the route all the way from Envigado to El Centro. If the weather is good, it's a great way to spend a few hours.

3. I'm assuming you haven't had a vasectomy. Don't be too surprised on a later trip to find out you're a daddy.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809393]Day 7 in Laureles MDE Monday.

Went out with a fellow monger to check the metro out. Took the electric bus to the metro in Oriente. We took it all the way up and back (we didn't dare to get out off the metro). Will look back at all the pics and never forget those barrio's. Seeing them on TV compared to irl is no comparison.

We stopped for some food at a chicken place, in San Jose. The food was muy bien. I notice the meat is tastier than the states due to how Colombia raises the chicken, cattle etc naturally compared to an industry like the states.

We took the electric bus to Miraflores to ride the metro in that area. Doesn't go as high as Oriente but still captured many photos and enjoyed my time.

Could someone tell me how the Civica Eventual works? I bought one, loaded it with like 14 k than the last ride back me and amigo got stuck because no more money on card. We had to wait in a long line to recharge it at a lottery place. Though I didn't mind admiring all the 8-10's walking by but 5 hours in and my feet were killing me.

So finally got it reloaded and took electric bus to san antonio but we got off on the wrong side. So we said fuck it, we'll walk the rest of the way to suriamericana than down to laurels. Up on the bridge we got some nice videos of Colombian traffic. Maybe that video will shut my wife up about how bad usa traffic is once and for all.

We did visit Zandalya casa, as I said the days are all running into each other so don't know if we went on this day or the day prior. I didn't partake (I'm spoiled rotten sin no condon) think wearing one will give me performance issues. My Amigo took a cute little thing Daniella? With him. He enjoyed it which was a win for us.

Shout out to my fellow monger amigo with the kick-ass directions and the postday1 Levonorgestrel after the first girl scare.

The trip was about 5-6 hours, enjoyed it. No ladies to report, my feet was hurting and just wanted to get some work done, let my dick heal, than go to bed.

Tuesday's report is the scariest day of my life. To many details to start it now as I'm supposed to be meeting up with amigo to check parque lleras out in a few.[/QUOTE]A few more notes.

1. The entire system is called the Metro. It's made up of 2 lines of Metro trains, 2 lines of Metro buses, several Metrocables (the gondolas) and the Tranvia (which is the one you took to Oriente). There is also a feeder bus system which brings people to the various metro stations. There's am app available which can help with finding your way around.

2. The Civica card can be recharged at any station. Look for the ticket booth as you enter. I usually put 20 k on the card and whenever there is no line I'll add more.

You can reload your card at Gana locations. They are all over the city, sometimes as many as three only a few doors from each other and outside of most metro stations.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2809526]San Antonio to Tranvia is integrated so it doesn't charge for the transfer. Same Miraflores / Oriente to metrocable (check metro map for all integrated stations). Not sure how does the system work for double swipes though. Best to reload the card on the less crowded stations as the queues can get long otherwise. Also, one can easily walk from Buenos Aires to San Antonio, as it's downhill (and an interesting walk anyway). Just be careful not to get hit by a tram or moto / bicycle (keep behind green painted lines).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809516]I guess you ride metro (1) from Laurales to San Antonio, get on tramcar (2) to Buenos Aires to catch the cable car (3). You have two passengers so 14000 bought you about 6 tickets total, probably with some discount depending on the combination of the cars you took. The scanner will tell you how much you have left.[/QUOTE]Yes I noticed this, I should load the card with at least 20 k next trip.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2809526]San Antonio to Tranvia is integrated so it doesn't charge for the transfer. Same Miraflores / Oriente to metrocable (check metro map for all integrated stations). Not sure how does the system work for double swipes though. Best to reload the card on the less crowded stations as the queues can get long otherwise. Also, one can easily walk from Buenos Aires to San Antonio, as it's downhill (and an interesting walk anyway). Just be careful not to get hit by a tram or moto / bicycle (keep behind green painted lines).[/QUOTE]Ok, makes sense, heh yea, we almost got hit by one funny you said that.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2809534]5000 to buy the card initially. So subtract that too. And the cable metro costs extra compared to just using the regular metro. Anyway, 14 mil doesn't get you very far.[/QUOTE]Si Correcto.

[QUOTE=Conqueeftadore;2809515]So I set up an account for here in mde complete with pics and all that stuff. But then what now? It's a new account and I have zero friends. How do I connect with women here?[/QUOTE]I would suggest joining this group.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/solterasysolterosmedellincolombia/[/URL]

From this base you may also be able to send friend requests to friends of girls in this group and Facebook will also start sending you suggestions based on what type of friends you already have. It takes a little time, a lot of girls will want to send you "content" (their own homemade porn) and without a video chat I would not assume that any photos are real. Also check for underage girls. do not message them. they may try to blackmail you. With some patience and carefulness you'll find some good deals.

Saw girl number one. Still my fav and my 3rd or 4th time seeing. She has black hair with blonde streaks, green emerald eyes (first Columbiana I saw with light eyes, normally it's brown eyes) about 5-2.

We met a few hours before her class started. She was telling me she starts an internship here pretty soon, good for her! She takes her studies serious, I like that about her. We sit chat about our little fight we had a few days ago, (why I haven't seen her for last 3 days) we hug and make up and realize it was just a big misunderstanding. After some small talk in the kitchenette area we move to the bedroom. No music this time just straight to business since she still has to shower and prepare for her classes coming up.

BBBJ, she's really gentle and played with the boys, ok nice. She worked for a solid 10 minutes even after I was clearly ready for the main entry, NICE! Start in missionary as she tells me this is her fav position. Pumping away for a good 10 minutes before she realizes I'm caliente. She flips me on my back and take over. 10 minutes and now she's sweating all over me. I look at her and we both laugh so I flip her doggy. 5 minutes and I just can't buss. Annoying. Flip her back to missionary and felt that warm flood of hers when she orgasmed, that was enough for me to get mine. She smiles and says, "gracias por esperarme". I responded with "it just worked out like that". As we got dressed she mentions, "do you want anymore kids". I look at her and said why do you ask? You think some got in? She said no, I just want to know. So I told her if the right partner comes around than maybe one more. She says something like "interesante" ok. I thought. We both gets dressed, she says she wishes she can stay but can't. She wisely sets up another date with me (she tried for the next day Wednesday) but told her we should wait for Thursday (we are supposed to go out shopping and have lunch that day) she made me promise and off she went in her indriver.

I agreed to meet Girl # 0 parents, the very first girl I saw, the one that surprised the shit out of me and paid for lunch. Why? Don't fuckin ask. Where do I start.

So her, father, and mother picked me up at my Airbnb and brought me to there crib. I was under the impression they lived somewhere in the vicinity of Laureles. Nope, in a broken-down poor barrio near bello.

Driving up the mountain everyone saw the look of horror on my face and askes twice are you ok? Tried to play it off as cool as possible, si, esta bien as I quivered under my seat belt.

I ask, how much longer until were there, I was told 20 minutes. Ok. 20 minutes rolls by, are we now almost there, 20 minutes I'm told once again. OMFG I came real close to just jumping out of the truck and fetching the nearest taxi. It gets dark and now I don't have a fucking clue where we are. Half the fucking houses or whatevre they are missing roofs, others doors etc. Girl # 0 proceeds to say, (hunny my family don't have much money) I said "I don't judge", w / e they want to hear to keep them on my good side so I don't die, I thought.

It took about an hour to get to there place, up and down these narrow hills, so narrow that the brakes didn't work going down and the truck just slid into the street.

Finally got there. The parents give me a tour of there home, (makes me feel a little better) There's a beautiful view of Medellin from there 3rd floor balcony. Wow, had to take a few pics which I will post if there not to big. Eventually made my way to there living room, I say down on there chair and they offered me a banana. I took it and said gracias. I thought (wow there offering food, maybe I will live through this after all). I was led downstairs to girl number 0 apartment. Apparently, the parents lives upstairs, and girl #0 lives downstairs and her brother somewhere else I never quite figured out. Her parents were actually pretty cool.

As I was in girl #0 apartment, she left me alone while she showered. I reached out to a fellow monger asking for help. He said send him my google maps location. Took a good 15 minutes before I finally got a signal and sent. I will also attach to this post. Again, if pic meets requirements. After girl #0 gets out of shower I'm asked if I like fish. Told her I prefer pollo, she says ok. After walking her dog through the barrio with her, we all drive to a restaurant called Waira, which I will also post.

I doubt anyone has been way up there as its literally in the middle of nowhere. But the views are spectacular and I want to say it's almost worth it for the drive, or in my case, to risk your life for. The food was good, but upsetted my stomach the next day pretty bad. So there's the six of us at the restaurant, myself girl 0 her parents, her brother, and brothers GF. I lean over and tell girl 0 I only have 200 mil. She said no problem split bill with her father. As I was still alive, I said no problem. Bill came to +300 k. I ended up paying 200 k, everything I had and told her I need 35 k to get back to casa. She told me no worries her dad was going to take me. I asked when, as I just paid the 200 k which was not half of the bill.

We leave restaurant, the look of horror that was on my face is now a look of how am I still alive.

We get back to there place after many hills and slips down hills into traffic.

Girl #0 asks me if I want to sleep over, I felt the No begin to regurgitate out of my guy into my throat and out my moth before I stopped and said "well I have work to do early in the morning so probably not tonight sweety. She responded with, please it would make me and my parents happy. I just looked around the truck and spit out a meek ok. So ended up spending the night in girl #0 apartment. She offered some weed and gladly took it. Thought to myself if I'm going to die at least I will be high. Took about 5-6 tokes and I was gone. Colombian weed is very strong. Comparable with the states dispensary.

Girl #0 gave me the best blow job I have ever had in my life. She topped her last BJ. I wish I wasn't so high at the time so I could have enjoyed it better but everything was so numb. I barely ever saw my dick as it was buried deep down in her trachea / esophagus for the next 30 minutes. Yes, a straight 30 min blowjob that was fucking incredible. I had a hard time busting because of the weed, but she did that double BJ thing I tried to describe in my last report where she sucks the head, and middle / base of dick at same time. Yup, that did it. She gagged as I creampied her esophagus. Kept it in until every drop was out, despite her having a hard time breathing. When she finally pulled my dick out of her lung area, I was going limp at this point. I aksed her if she tasted any, she said no, I just felt it go into my stomach. I don't remember much as I was high as a kite and just passed out with one of my last thoughts "ok well if you guys are going to kill me know, I'm ready after that".

I passed out around 1-2 am. Don't know about her. She kept hogging the blankets and my feet kept getting cold so I kept waking up fighting for the blanket.

Her alarm goes off for 5 am. WTF I thought. She says we have to go as my dad needs to bring you back early. I was dressed in about 0. 1 secs. She sat up from the bed and I was already dressed standing next to the door ready to go. She commented how I didn't enjoy the stay. I replied I did, its just that I'm cold way up in these mountains and want to go back to mi casa for a warm shower (my Airbnb has hot water). She says ok.

So, we leave around 5:30 ish, I arrive back at my casa a little before 6:30 am, tell them to hold on and gave girl #0 150 k for breakfast and lunch and 50 k to her dad for gas or for not killing me.

Wow! You can't make this shit up.

What an amazing experience that I lived through!

Moral of the story, don't go meeting no girls' parents.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2809526].... Not sure how does the system work for double swipes though. ...[/QUOTE]I think different combination has a discount. It is not free. San Javiar or Santa Domingo are free and does not need to swipe again.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809648]

Moral of the story, don't go meeting no girls' parents.[/QUOTE]Bro, you're lucky to be alive. 98 out 100 stories like this will end up with the guy being kidnapped. Glad you had a nice experience, but no one should take this kind of risk for a chick who you've only met once. If you don't mind I ask, how old are you? And can you pass as Colombian in a barrio?

[QUOTE=L00PY;2809315]FYI, you may or may not see any big butt vennies there on the map. The area is in flux with barricades and the normal flow of people.

The chica will always know a spot, often one where they get a kickback from. I'd say the one right by the church is a safe bet. In some ways, the closer the short time hotel, the better. Things are less likely to go wrong as they don't want to mess up their stomping grounds. I've reconsidered before after she said she had been banned from a given location for fighting. If you pick the place, you can control the situation a bit more. If you go to the place right there, it'll probably be fine. If she leads you down the block, around a corner, down another street, to somewhere, pay attention to your spidey senses and not what the little head's telling you.[/QUOTE]Where would you find these big booty Venezuelans?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2809665]I think different combination has a discount. It is not free. San Javiar or Santa Domingo are free and does not need to swipe again.[/QUOTE]What may be confusing in terms of "swiping and discounts" with the Metro system, which one other poster mentioned, is that if using the Metro, and than use a connecting Metro bus, you will swipe your Civica, and you won't be charged to use the bus.

Simply put, you can ride the Metro from anywhere in the City to one of the Metro bus lines, as an example at the Industralies Station, and there is no additional cost to ride the connecting bus, meaning the transfer is included.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2809674]Bro, you're lucky to be alive. 98 out 100 stories like this will end up with the guy being kidnapped. Glad you had a nice experience, but no one should take this kind of risk for a chick who you've only met once. If you don't mind I ask, how old are you? And can you pass as Colombian in a barrio?[/QUOTE]I'm in my early 40's.

Yes I can pass as Colombian in a barrio (which is why I'm still alive I think).

I've met the chick three times before I met her parents.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2809560]Good report. Just a couple of notes.

1. It's Guatape, the lake with the big stone, not Guadalupe.

2. Sundays and holidays (I believe from 7 am to 2 pm) is Ciclovia. Certain streets are shut down ro traffic and are opened up for walking, jogging, bicycling, skating, etc. I generally refer to it as either Spandex Appreciation Day, or the Camel Toe Parade. In Laureles you'll find it around El Estadio. In Poblado they shut down 1 side of Avenida Poblado and you can follow the route all the way from Envigado to El Centro. If the weather is good, it's a great way to spend a few hours.

3. I'm assuming you haven't had a vasectomy. Don't be too surprised on a later trip to find out you're a daddy.[/QUOTE]1. Two diffrent parts of Colombia, got it.

2. Ah that would explain why, thanks for the clarification. "Spandex Appreciation Day, or the Camel Toe Parade" LMAO.

3. How's the child support laws in Colombia? LOL All jokes aside I had one scare but she's in college and I'm sure she took the pill on her own as she does not want any kids. The others a fellow monger gave me some plan be pills. So think I'm ok in that regard. Unless, there actively trying to have monger baby's.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2809565]A few more notes.

1. The entire system is called the Metro. It's made up of 2 lines of Metro trains, 2 lines of Metro buses, several Metrocables (the gondolas) and the Tranvia (which is the one you took to Oriente). There is also a feeder bus system which brings people to the various metro stations. There's am app available which can help with finding your way around.

2. The Civica card can be recharged at any station. Look for the ticket booth as you enter. I usually put 20 k on the card and whenever there is no line I'll add more.[/QUOTE]Thanks for shedding some more light on that metro debacle. All the comments here helps me understand it a lot better.

Newbie on this forums but not a newbie when it comes to mongering.

Went through some shit over the last few years and decided to do something for my self and Medellin Colombia it is.

I will be staying a week in mid July. Picked up an Airbnb in the el Poblado area.

I will see some girls up there but will also do other things and not make it the main focus of my trip.

I will be going solo. A few questions I have.

What do you guys recommend I do or see when I am out there.

How dangerous is the Lleras park area at night?

How do you guys like the food?

Is the tap water safe to drink?

Taxi or Uber?

ChicaCheck now has all features working.

[QUOTE=JustinFields;2809794]Newbie on this forums but not a newbie when it comes to mongering.

Went through some shit over the last few years and decided to do something for my self and Medellin Colombia it is.

I will be staying a week in mid July. Picked up an Airbnb in the el Poblado area.

I will see some girls up there but will also do other things and not make it the main focus of my trip.

I will be going solo. A few questions I have.

What do you guys recommend I do or see when I am out there.

How dangerous is the Lleras park area at night?

How do you guys like the food?

Is the tap water safe to drink?

Taxi or Uber?[/QUOTE]What do you guys recommend I do or see when I am out there.

Parque Arvi and the metro cable. Gutape for a day trip, the museum near del rio. The old castle. Museo El Castillo. Communa 13 (watch yourself here).

How dangerous is the Lleras park area at night?

Super safe on the corners but always watch your back walking in between where you see police. Don't wave your phone around, be suspecious if you see 2 guys on a motorcyle near you.

How do you guys like the food?

Colombian food blows with the exception of cafe from juan valedez and a palito de queso from toasto. Most of the food you get is like things you find in america for take out but done poorly. There is like sushi, pizza, chinese etc. Download rappi so you can get delviery to your airbnb and also for groceries etc.

Is the tap water safe to drink?

It is very safe however I just prefer bottle water for portability. ONly place to worry about water is if you ever make a trip to Santa Marta. That beach town even the locals get sick from the paraiste in the water / food.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2809825]What do you guys recommend I do or see when I am out there.

Parque Arvi and the metro cable. Gutape for a day trip, the museum near del rio. The old castle. Museo El Castillo. Communa 13 (watch yourself here).

How do you guys like the food?


Is the tap water safe to drink? ONly place to worry about water is if you ever make a trip to Santa Marta..[/QUOTE]IMO Guatape is the only world class activity for tourists in the MDE area, although you can do any of the other stuff you mention if you want to fill up your day.

Food sucks in general. The cheap restauraants dotted around town are terrible IMO - 20 different ways to serve the same handful of ingredients. But you can find a few great restaurants if you have the time to search them out? Which ones? - well, obvio depends on your budget. I like Govindas for day to day food, and I like Zaaika and Tabun for higher cost meals. I haven't been to any high end places for several years, so no comment on that.

Water in Sta Marta is not claimed to be potable. Govt will tell you not to drink it. I drink it after boiling. Whereas water in MDE is declared as safe to drink. I drink it from the tap.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809648]
Wow! You can't make this shit up.

What an amazing experience that I lived through!

Moral of the story, don't go meeting no girls' parents.[/QUOTE]Is this your first Medellin trip? Barrio life is the way to go!! But obviously, it’s not for everyone. I visit girls' families all the time and I use it as an opportunity to see more of the barrios, especially if it's somewhere I have never been. Personally, I feel safer in the barrios with locals than in Poblado with gringos hehe. And it's much more fun! I'm a Chinese guy in early 40's, but look like I'm in my 30's so I def don't blend in. But I speak Spanish, respect the culture, and have been hanging out in the barrios for years. One time I went to Pachelly way up in the hills of Bello and it's suppose to be a dangerous barrio, but I felt safe because I was amongst amigas and their families. It's one of the few times you would still have a gringo factor because up there they def don't see any foreigners. But yeah, I understand you being out of your element and feeling like you can get got. Just take a deep breath and enjoy it!! Btw..I tell chicas in the barrios Im a chino paisa hasta la chimba hpta!!! :)

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809648] Moral of the story, don't go meeting no girls' parents.[/QUOTE]Here's my first thought, why did you even agree to meet this girls parents? I just never understood that, unless you both want something serious, I'm sure the parents feel the same way, otherwise they wouldn't go thru all that trouble.

I guess if you are a real gringo meaning non Latino, you're curious about the barrio life and want to experience it? But if you are Latino like myself, shit just visit your own family in Mexico or wherever like I do for the barrio experience. No need to take a risk like that in unfamiliar territory.

If an Airbnb doesn't specify that you can't bring female guests / sex workers, can I assume that it's OK? I've noticed that most of the places is laurels has this policy, but in San Diego / Buenos Aires it doesn't say that.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2809775]I'm in my early 40's.

Yes I can pass as Colombian in a barrio (which is why I'm still alive I think).

I've met the chick three times before I met her parents.[/QUOTE]LOL Colombia is less dangerous then Tijuana where I lived for 6 years. These people are not out to kill you. You learned that and had a peak experience by taking some risk. If it was your first trip / first meeting of course that would be much more dangerous. Enjoy life while we can.

Pueblito Paisa is a good option for guys who are here for only a few days at a time. Guatape is amazing but it takes a day out of your trip.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2809840]IMO Guatape is the only world class activity for tourists in the MDE area, although you can do any of the other stuff you mention if you want to fill up your day.

Food sucks in general. The cheap restauraants dotted around town are terrible IMO - 20 different ways to serve the same handful of ingredients. But you can find a few great restaurants if you have the time to search them out? Which ones? - well, obvio depends on your budget. I like Govindas for day to day food, and I like Zaaika and Tabun for higher cost meals. I haven't been to any high end places for several years, so no comment on that.

Water in Sta Marta is not claimed to be potable. Govt will tell you not to drink it. I drink it after boiling. Whereas water in MDE is declared as safe to drink. I drink it from the tap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2809763]...Simply put, you can ride the Metro from anywhere in the City to one of the Metro bus lines, as an example at the Industralies Station, and there is no additional cost to ride the connecting bus, meaning the transfer is included.[/QUOTE]I took this fare chart tonight. Maybe I am wrong, but I think it lists different price for different combination. That is where the discount coming from. Your Spanish is much better than mine, so maybe you can shed some light on what it is describing.

I went to a restaurant that I have been to before with a friend. The bill is under 400 mil total. What was weird was the waiter took out his translator to ask me how much tip I was going to give? 10%, 15% or 20%. My friend said it was no unusual in Medellin but it is for me and I have been to the same restaurant before and was even in the same seat as last time.

To put it into perspective, a regular girl told me she earns 45 mil for working a 10 hours night shift. My cleaner is 70 mil to clean and wash everything in the apartment.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2810003]I went to a restaurant that I have been to before with a friend. The bill is under 400 mil total. What was weird was the waiter took out his translator to ask me how much tip I was going to give? 10%, 15% or 20%. My friend said it was no unusual in Medellin but it is for me and I have been to the same restaurant before and was even in the same seat as last time.

To put it into perspective, a regular girl told me she earns 45 mil for working a 10 hours night shift. My cleaner is 70 mil to clean and wash everything in the apartment.[/QUOTE]I think in that situation I would have not even paid the 10% tip and I would have let him know I won't be back.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2810003]I went to a restaurant that I have been to before with a friend. The bill is under 400 mil total. What was weird was the waiter took out his translator to ask me how much tip I was going to give? 10%, 15% or 20%. My friend said it was no unusual in Medellin but it is for me and I have been to the same restaurant before and was even in the same seat as last time.

To put it into perspective, a regular girl told me she earns 45 mil for working a 10 hours night shift. My cleaner is 70 mil to clean and wash everything in the apartment.[/QUOTE]Tipping is still not compulsory in Medellin. Maybe the waiter was bluffing, knowing you're not a local. The common question they will ask when you ask for the bill will be: would you like to tip in cash or include that in the total amount. If you choose the latter, they will charge a 10% tipping, if you prefer to pay in cash, you can decide how much you will tip. When they don't ask, usually in the fancier places, the 10% shows as part of the total amount, though mentioned in a separate line. I have ignored that "tip included amount" several times, when I'm not happy with the service or quality of what was served.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2809877] Btw..I tell chicas in the barrios Im a chino paisa hasta la chimba hpta!!! :)[/QUOTE]I'm South East Asian and had lived in Medellin for about 10 years and still return there almost every year. That's how I earned that description LOL!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2810003]I went to a restaurant that I have been to before with a friend. The bill is under 400 mil total. What was weird was the waiter took out his translator to ask me how much tip I was going to give? 10%, 15% or 20%. My friend said it was no unusual in Medellin but it is for me and I have been to the same restaurant before and was even in the same seat as last time.

To put it into perspective, a regular girl told me she earns 45 mil for working a 10 hours night shift. My cleaner is 70 mil to clean and wash everything in the apartment.[/QUOTE]Absolutely bizzare to the point you should be enraged, it is scary because if these scumbags are allowed to prosper Medellin will turn into a hell on earth like Cancun. Please do not contribute to the corruption of this great city. I am happy to pay the service charge only for Colombians who are respectful enough to treat me like anyone else who eats there, not an opportunity to exploit.

Please consider giving 0, and since the tip was alceady on the bill for that, DEMAND they remove it. I have never removed it because I have never encountered scum like this. If they refuse to remove it, refuse to sign and email your credit card company to get a refund.

It is absolutely the extreme end of arrogance for a Colombian to do anything but the standard schpiel of "Do you wish to include the standard service charge?" (ALWAYS 10%, YOU DO NOT ALTER IT)

[QUOTE=JustinFields;2809794]Newbie on this forums but not a newbie when it comes to mongering.
Taxi or Uber?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/no-dar-papaya/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2810001]I took this fare chart tonight. Maybe I am wrong, but I think it lists different price for different combination. That is where the discount coming from. Your Spanish is much better than mine, so maybe you can shed some light on what it is describing.[/QUOTE]The different prices are for the different types of cards. Look at the top row for example that is the row that will apply to most people using the metro system. If you have a tarjeta eventual (the old grey one but is now white) you pay 3280 pesos, if you have a personalized cared then you pay 2880. The lower rows are for different combinations of busses, tranvia, metro, etc. And the metrocable to go to parque arvi has a different price as well and isn't included in the fare for the Santo Domingo metro cable.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2810001]I took this fare chart tonight. Maybe I am wrong, but I think it lists different price for different combination. That is where the discount coming from. Your Spanish is much better than mine, so maybe you can shed some light on what it is describing.[/QUOTE]I don't know if my Spanish is any better than yours, and the chart is confusing but I did notice that if your a senior citizen you get a discount of something like 150 or 200 Pesos off the base fare, but I'm not sure how you get the discount. I'm assuming to get the discount your CIVICA card would have to be registered with your ID which they used to do years ago, and it might only apply to Colombian Citizens.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2810026]Absolutely bizzare to the point you should be enraged, it is scary because if these scumbags are allowed to prosper Medellin will turn into a hell on earth like Cancun. Please do not contribute to the corruption of this great city. I am happy to pay the service charge only for Colombians who are respectful enough to treat me like anyone else who eats there, not an opportunity to exploit.

Please consider giving 0, and since the tip was alceady on the bill for that, DEMAND they remove it. I have never removed it because I have never encountered scum like this. If they refuse to remove it, refuse to sign and email your credit card company to get a refund.

It is absolutely the extreme end of arrogance for a Colombian to do anything but the standard schpiel of "Do you wish to include the standard service charge?" (Always 10%, you do not alter it)[/QUOTE]I've never eaten anywhere in Medellin at a high end place where more than 10% has been asked for or already included in the bill. Unfortunately more of this is going to occur as more and more foreigners show up and people figure out how to squeeze them.

A perfect example of this happened to me two weeks ago. I met one of my Chicas at the Poblado Metro Station and we got in a yellow cab to go to a Hotel near Tesoro. I showed the driver the route on my phone and asked him to turn on the meter and he refused. He said the fare would be 20,000 COP so I told him that was insane and that I wasn't that dumb and got out of the Taxi and slammed the fucking door.

We got in another cab and the fare ended up being only 10,000 COP.

Moral of the story like you point out is don't put up with this shit.

However because things are so cheap here, a lot of times it's just chump change for many, and as much as this stuff pisses people off like you and I, can you blame them for trying to squeeze foreigners no different than other parts of the World.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2809917]Pueblito Paisa is a good option for guys who are here for only a few days at a time. Guatape is amazing but it takes a day out of your trip.[/QUOTE]Perhaps a disclaimer on Guatape as far as climbing the rock. There are guys here that have a hard time walking from the Poblado Metro Station up Calle 10 to Lleras. So there may be some who won't be able to make it up the rock as there are lots and lots of steps to climb at an elevation higher than Medellin.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2810026]Absolutely bizzare to the point you should be enraged, it is scary because if these scumbags are allowed to prosper Medellin will turn into a hell on earth like Cancun. Please do not contribute to the corruption of this great city. I am happy to pay the service charge only for Colombians who are respectful enough to treat me like anyone else who eats there, not an opportunity to exploit.

Please consider giving 0, and since the tip was alceady on the bill for that, DEMAND they remove it. I have never removed it because I have never encountered scum like this. If they refuse to remove it, refuse to sign and email your credit card company to get a refund.

It is absolutely the extreme end of arrogance for a Colombian to do anything but the standard schpiel of "Do you wish to include the standard service charge?" (ALWAYS 10%, YOU DO NOT ALTER IT)[/QUOTE]If the restaurant uses an electronic POS system, the 10% is put on automatically with an explanation that it's voluntary. There will be 2 totals. No need to demand anything, although talking to the manager is a good idea.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2810026]Absolutely bizzare to the point you should be enraged, it is scary because if these scumbags are allowed to prosper Medellin will turn into a hell on earth like Cancun. Please do not contribute to the corruption of this great city. I am happy to pay the service charge only for Colombians who are respectful enough to treat me like anyone else who eats there, not an opportunity to exploit.

Please consider giving 0, and since the tip was alceady on the bill for that, DEMAND they remove it. I have never removed it because I have never encountered scum like this. If they refuse to remove it, refuse to sign and email your credit card company to get a refund.

It is absolutely the extreme end of arrogance for a Colombian to do anything but the standard schpiel of "Do you wish to include the standard service charge?" (ALWAYS 10%, YOU DO NOT ALTER IT)[/QUOTE]Nah you bugging, I always tip higher in Colombia, even in the states I tip more than the standard 20% for great service.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2809840]IMO Guatape is the only world class activity for tourists in the MDE area, although you can do any of the other stuff you mention if you want to fill up your day.
Food sucks in general.
The cheap restauraants dotted around town are terrible IMO - 20 different ways to serve the same handful of ingredients. But you can find a few great restaurants if you have the time to search them out? Which ones? - well, obvio depends on your budget. I like Govindas for day to day food, and I like Zaaika and Tabun for higher cost meals. I haven't been to any high end places for several years, so no comment on that..[/QUOTE]
To echo JustTK (second the motion), I'd agree that Guatape (both the town and the nearby rock formation, El Peon) is the only tourist destination within a one day, round-trip that qualifies as"not-to-be missed" even if one's on a brief vacation in Medellin. I also concur on the dining out options: I take a pass on the restaurants with typical Medellin fare (Bandeja Paisa, Mondongo, Arepas, etc]. At the high end, Colombian chef Juan Manuel Barriento's El Cielo in Miami, received the first ever Michelin star awarded to a restaurant in Florida. (Michelin doesn't rate Colombian eateries). I once splurged on his El Cielo in Poblado, and felt that it was overrated- (too heavy on the precious, presentation of small dishes). And I doubt one would find another Medellin restaurant that would merit Michelin awarding a star.

That said, as JustTK notes, one can find some great dining options--especially among those restaurants offering Nikkei (Peruvian / Japanese fusion), mariscos (sea food) or Italian cuisine. A few personal favorities (mostly In Laureles where I hang my hat when in town): for Nikkei try La Causa or Mitsura, for Italian--Carduff Pasta Fresca (owned by a Swiss Italian couple--black fetuccini with mariscos recommended), and Pan y Pomadoro; for seafood--Pescatori Pacfico, and in Manila,the upscale, somewhat pricey, Frutos del Mar.

To the newbies who wrote, do savor both the cuisine as well as the chicas.

CUON in Poblado (Below Parque Lleras) has good reviews but I only liked the seared tuna there, did not like anything else. I don't think Colombia is yet a fancy dining destination. I like the moms and pops pastel de pollo and pastel de carne with potatos. These can be delicious as well as a beef soup, should be $2-5 USD. Medellin has many good steak places however!

I had several girls from the Park over the last few weeks that agreed to stay all night and leave at 5 AM. This has become ridiculous. If you have to pay $200-300 US dollars to keep them all night this isn't worth it anymore even compared to other countries in Europe or even US. I think for those who live here or are on longer stays, it's the key to meet girls outside of the tourist monger areas. There are many many girls and the city is big, it's good to have a good company to go out and meet them. (I used to go out alone to music clubs etc but no longer feel safe).

Seeking username: Mia.

Name: Ivana.

Age: 24.

Height: 5'3.

Link: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8f8d99f5-76e9-4ce2-ae28-4dee38e8936f[/URL].

All right guys, I want to share this review with you guys just in case you are considering meeting this girl.

Intro:

I saw this girl's profile a year ago when I first arrived in the city, I sent her a message and she was asking for 500.000 at the moment. Following the advice of this forum, I declined to pay that much. I did not try to negotiate and she did not try to convince me. Now, I started seeing seeking girls again and this time I'm willing to pay a little bit more, every now and then, to meet really hot girls (let's not start a discussion about hotness). So I contacted her, this time she asked me 1. 1 M for all day. I say I just wanted to meet for a few hours and she quoted me $135 USD (around 600.000 COP) for a few hours. Looking at her pictures I was not 100% convinced it was worth it to pay that much. Her pictures were not very clear and she did not show her body like other girls. I asked for more pics of her face and she sent me a few videos. She looked al right but still. There was something bothering me. So I asked her to meet for a coffee and we would see from there but she did not even reply. My thought process was, this is the second time I reached her and she doesn't compromise. She is not willing to lower her price so she must be worth it. (Yeah, I know. Kind of stupid in hindsight.) A few days later I said fuck it, and made an appointment.

The date:

I requested her uber. She arrived and I went downstairs to welcome her. As soon as she got out of the car I knew I had made a terrible mistake. She was not only uglier than in the pictures but she was also wearing a cheap black dress. Even though the dress was black and loose around the waist I was able to see she had a belly. She looked like Betty la fea (a colombian soap opera) I did not know how to react. Is not the first time this has happened, it has happened with a few girls but girls but the difference between the pics and reality was not as big as this one, besides the other girls asked for 200.000. I greeted her and we went upstairs. We sat down and started to chat. She wanted to take a shower first and that's when I told her she looked very different from the pictures. She laughed and said this is the first time someone tells her that. She said it's ok, I just have to pay her and she will leave. I said I was going to pay her 200.000 for the 15 minutes she had been there but she wanted the $135 USD. I said no way, and she kept asking for the money, time after time. She was yelling and at some point she threatened to call her pimp or whatever. It's not that I didn't believe her, I just didn't give a fuck. So she called someone and I called the police. At this point she tried to grab my phone and I stood up quickly and pushed her. I was in fight or flight mode and I could feel my heart beating faster. I was so fucking angry but I calmed down, I told her to calm down and to sit down. She started crying and telling how hard this work is, blah, blah, blah. After 45 minutes I gave up. I had to find a way to get her out. I told her I would giver her 400.000 but we had to go to the ATM. She agreed. We walked to the ATM, I gave her the money and I headed back to my place.

I recorded the whole thing in a voice recording on my phone just in case.

Obviously, there are a lot of lessons to learn here:

First, listen to your gut, I knew something was weird with this girl and her pictures but I didn't listen.

Second, I'm going to start meeting girls for the first time at a public place. I stopped doing this after I met multiple girls at my place with zero issues but this is a good reminder that this stuff happens.