Manila

L.A.W.

Thanks for the insights. I appreciate the update as it's been too long since my last visit. Hopefully, that will change soon.

"Visions". Is that the bar that used to be "Vixens" then "Chaos" ? If so, I too have had many good times there.

FD

BTW guys, we all need to do a better job proof reading our posts before submitting.

Greetz all,

First time to post here after a long time of reading, anyway just wanted to mention that LA Cafe has mamasan's working the joint, quite obvious if you can read the play, and best to avoid them and their girls unless you like paying higher prices.

I was told Amazonia was not a place you could take girls from. Anyone taken one from there yet?

Nothing ever is as it seems.

Spent a few days in Manila.

To my delight quite a healthy scene is developing around the M.H. Del
Pilar, Padre Faura, Mabini St. area in Ermita/Malate. Several little
bars have opened in the past few months, possibly encouraged by L.A.
Cafe's success.


Have been waved into one while heading to LA. Tiny bar with about 5
friendly girls. All single mothers but reasonable looking, 18-22 years and eager to please. Rate P1500 Long Time. This is total cost, including BF plus girl's fee. No more to pay. Medically supervised, they say.

You pay upfront. Didn't buy them drinks but had a little chat. Moved on to
LA later on but it would be worth going back one day. Simply because
they are not freelancers and their particulars are kept on record at
the bar. Just in case. Bit wary to sleep with a freelancer in Manila.


At the LA. now there are Mamasans who look after many of the girls (not
sure if all). She introduced herself and sent around several reasonable lookers. All very friendly but not up to Angeles standards in looks. Rates seem to have stabilised at P1500 overnight in this area which is a good sign.

1200 goes to the girl and 300 to mamasan. You pay AFTER. I think that the
'nicer' girls don't do ST. The crappier ones might. As usual the nicer
Filippinas would rather be your 'friend' than just simply fuck. The
waitresses also seem quite approachable and keen to set up after-hours
dates. Some finish at midnight, some at 1am, etc.


Saw one very beautiful Filipina on two consecutive nights upstairs.
Perfect model looks, very tall. She wasn't too keen to make contact
like the others and left both nights alone. All the other girls were
average in looks or below, certainly not up to Angeles standards.


By the way the cigarette smoke upstairs is a killer at LA. Makes your
eyes and lungs burn after an hour or so. Hopefully they will soon
follow the example of Makati bars where designated smoking and NS
areas are set.


Although occupancy is up I think that the quality has taken a dive at
LA. compared to one year ago. The music also sucks. There must be
better bands in town that play something danceable.


About Robinson's Shopping Centre:
Although there were some girls keen to make eyecontact and one
(ladyboy looking) even waved but the scene sucks. There simply aren't
enough foreigners there to attract the girls. Went there a couple of
nights for shopping and saw a total of about 3-5 foreigners per night. Also, it's not a nice place to meet. The locals would resent it if that became a
pickup place. It's simply uncomfortable to initiate conversations there
in the midst of shoppers as compared to the relaxed atmosphere of a
bar.


All in all, keep looking as it seems that something nice is starting in
Ermita and prices are about to stabilise at P1500 L/T which is a reasonable
figure. But considering the number of shanti-towns in that city and how
many beautiful girls may live there, even P500/pop would be a
realistic figure in the future (couple of days wages of a factory worker).

Hotels:
About which hotel is 'girl friendly'? It would be easier to count those
which aren't. As most of them in this area (Ermita/Malate) are. Practically everywhere you pay for double occupancy and two breakfasts anyway. Some places may simply add 1 or 200 pesos to your bill for double but wouldn't make a fuss. The Philippinos themselves are indeed very promiscous so they don't normally make a big issue of this.

[s][b]Thu Nov 4, 2004[/b] [i]rank/score: *******/0[/i][/s]

My posts are intended to describe the learning experiences of someone with minimal mongering experience.

My adventure begins when I exit the international airport. I travel light, so I refuse the taxis and walk left. A guards asks where I'm going, and I reply "Casino Filipino" and he points me down the street. Most of the jeepneys there have signs saying Baclaran, and when I hop inside one, everyone politely ignores my existence. I quietly murmur "bayad ho", and hands are immediately extended and my 100P bill is passed from person to person to the driver. The change comes back the same way, 94.5P. Fares are posted in the jeepney (0-4km 5.5P and 1P for each additional km).

The people inside are helpful and a woman tells me which jeepney I need to take to get to Ermita. In Baclaran, take a jeepney marked Mabini. There’ll be others signs such as Dapitan, Quiapo, Harrison Plaza, or Divisoria which are also on the route. I get off at Salas St and walk to the Ermita Tourist Inn. The rooms are much better than I expected. The water is hot, water pressure is good, toilet and A/C works, and the room is very clean and tiled. The rooms gets cold quickly because it’s so small. The price is 660P, which includes a breakfast. I was expecting to pay 1200P for this type of room.

By the time I shower, it’s raining, but LA Cafe is a 2 minute walk away. It is 7pm and I am surprised by the quality of the girls. Quality seems slightly better than what I see in the malls, the jeepneys, or at the airport. When I first step in, someone wants to introduce me to her sexy friend. Very sexy and cute indeed, but I say I want to take my time, and I am left alone. I stand around 10 minutes before being asked to buy a drink. Several girls approach me, but I am not sure what to look for as I have no baseline or frame of reference to work with.

Thinking that any experience is good experience, I play along with the third girl who approaches me. This girl, 19, calls herself Cacai and proves to be what is probably the epitome of the hardened pro that I have so often read about in this forum. She is small, slim, and fun. She was fairly direct in suggesting that she wants to fuck, be paid, and be gone. She smokes, drinks, and has several injuries from a bar fight with a another girl.

We go to have dinner and she orders too much, but I make sure not to walk into a high-end place. There are no posted prices, but the bill comes to a surprisingly low 300P. She asks to bag the extra food and donates it to the homeless on the street.

In the bedroom, she’s in a hurry to get the deed over quickly. She is skilled and uses her tongue in all the right genital areas, but rushed and mechanical. We use my condoms, and I wouldn’t trust someone else’s. It’s all over in about 10 minutes. I give her more than I think it was worth, 500P, and predictably she wants at least 1000P. I tell her I know the prices, and I’ll be happy to argue with her all night. She argues for 15 minutes, trying to get at least 100-200P more. Suddenly, she says okay and leaves.

I fall asleep and wake up before 3am. I sneak past the security guard who’s asleep. I see Amazonia (open 24h) and Harry’s Bar (dead at this time of the day) down the street, but choose to go back into LA Cafe. The second level is open and alive. This time I fend off the hardened pros who approach me. Then Rose approaches me and we spend the next 5-6 hours together. She is average looking, but attractive. She leads and keeps going the conversation, so there’s no conversational skill required on my part. She says she’s a singer of a band that performs in LA Cafe each Friday. She’s the only girl in the band and she’s waiting for the guys who are out partying. They have the van and will bring her home. She says she doesn’t like the foreigners who approach her and assume she is like the other girls. The other girls will say “I love you” when they’ve just met you. (In the case of Cacai, she’s right, she did say that to me.) She doesn’t smoke, drink, and is a nursing student. She keeps asking me if I want her to leave me alone.

I ask her about the stamp on her wrist. She says girls must pay 100P to go upstairs until 3am. But the other band members have gone downstairs, so she’s here alone. The other band members never show up and at 8:20am I return to my room. I return to the bar at 8:40am, but she is not where she said she’d be waiting. I had asked her why she doesn’t just go home instead of waiting all night, and she says she can’t afford it. The only money I spend on her is 20P for a round of pool. She gives me her cell number, but doesn’t reply when I text her after buying a cell phone.

The continuation will be posted in the Angeles forum.

[s][b]Fri Nov 12 to Fri Nov 19, 2004[/b] [i]rank/score: fop/3[/i][/s]

This is the continuation of my posts in the Angeles section.

Over the next seven days, I gain experience visiting hospitals in the Manila area. In all hospitals I went to, it is possible to ask for a doctor referral at the information desk and see a doctor the same day. 500P seems to be a standard consultation fee. Most of the expense is from laboratory fees, ER fees, and medications. Near the LRT / metrorail station at UN ave on Taft, there are two major hospitals that are a bit run-down. The Manila Medical Center is just east and the Manila Doctors Hospital is just west. My lab tests at the latter place all turn out negative, so a week later, I go to the much more modern-looking Asian Hospital by the Metropolis mall in Alabang where I pay about 10000P for a more extensive suite of lab tests. To reach this hospital, it is possible to take the south-bound bus on Taft Ave, which goes along Quirino, Osmena Hwy, and finally the expressway. This bus takes over an hour. From Ayala Ave in Makati, the bus only takes 20 minutes because it’s near the expressway. Taxis are no faster because travel time is determined by traffic conditions. I’ve never had to wait more than 5 minutes for a bus anywhere in Manila.

I spend my free time dating girls I met online. Three of them in all, and the meetings are set up with relatively little effort. I basically went to meet the first three girls who agreed to do so. I had invested some time accumulating contacts before coming here, which was a bit tedious because I don’t have any patience for maintaining online or long-distance relationships.

The first girl is 25 and living alone in Makati. She’s a student and apparently doesn’t work. I’ve never gone on a date a girl this classy and beautiful. She’s not the tall, fair-skinned model type, but more attractive in my opinion. We meet near the Havana Cafe in Greenbelt at 8:30pm on Friday. We walk from place to place, including Temples, where the models, actresses, and MTV crews hang out. We part on cold terms. She says “nice to meet you”, but may have meant “I wish I hadn’t met you”. Later, when I text her, suggesting I may have been her worst date, she replies “UR NT WORST”.

Seven years ago, I wrote a letter to a girl in Cavite. She replied four years after receiving my letter and gave me two phone numbers. On Sunday, I text both numbers and immediately receive a reply. The same evening, we go out to dinner. She’s 25 now and still single.

Monday evening, I chat with a girl from the Batangas province. We agree that I’ll stop by her internet cafe the next day. On Tuesday, I take a two hour bus there from Manila. The day before, she had told me to text her from the church and she would come to pick me up. Instead, I don’t text her at all and decide to surprise her by showing up at her shop unannounced.

It’s a tiny store, but crowded, so I text her and wait for her to come out. She doesn’t. I’m told by her sister that she’s not there. This must be her 16 year old sister, I muse. She’s extremely good-looking, suggesting that her sister must be, too. But she tells me they are identical twins and both 24.

I call the girl on her cell, but it seems to be turned off. The twin sister cannot tell me where her sister went or when she will come back. A guy in the store keeps asking me how long I intend to wait for her. I say I want to see the identical twins next to each other because I find it so hard to believe. After nearly an hour of waiting around in the store, the twin sister decides to take a bath. She comes out seconds later with her hair wet. Did she just wash her hair that quickly? No, she’s followed by another one of her with dry hair. Turns out the girl never expected me to show up because we were just chatmates, and she was afraid to face me because she had a fake picture in her profile. The tall, fair-skinned model type depicted in the photo is not her, no surprise there. I spend most of the day observing their day-to-day life at the store.

I work on setting up second dates with all three girls with varying degrees of effort. I meet the first girl a second time, but I suggest we go home after a while because she just isn’t interested anymore. The girl with the twin sister seems much more interested in me, but eventually I conclude that she’s more interested in pursuing virtual online relationships than real ones. I suppose the fact that she has free access to the internet makes her an unwise pick.

I spend some time looking for domestic tickets. The agencies charge slightly more than the airline offices themselves. PAL seems to charge more than Cebu Pacific. I didn’t find any advance purchase discounts and pricing seems rigid, regardless on what day you travel. Either the promo rate is available or it is not. I found the best fares at the Cebu Pacific office at the Robinson’s mall in Ermita.

Almost by accident, I ran into a very nice full-service massage parlor.

They offer body-body massage, front and back, BBBJ with both hot tea and ice water (quite a thrill), sex in different positions, and an actual massage afterward. I only had one girl, and while she was a little chubby, she made up for it with big breasts and a decent (for a Korean) ass. Overall, it cost 120,000 won for an hour of pure pleasure.

It is a little out of the way, though. If you were to go by taxi from Gangnam, it would end up about 10,000 won. On the other hand, you can take the number 7 line and get off at Sangbong, then hop in a taxi and say "anma" ("massage" in Korean), as there is only one in the neighborhood. They just opened up under the same owner as a nice place I used to go to in Apkujeong, but that place is currently closed down because of the crackdown, so the new place isn't having any problems with the police, obviously, probably because they are so distant.

[QUOTE=Mahku]Almost by accident, I ran into a very nice full-service massage parlor.

They offer body-body massage, front and back, BBBJ with both hot tea and ice water (quite a thrill), sex in different positions, and an actual massage afterward. I only had one girl, and while she was a little chubby, she made up for it with big breasts and a decent (for a Korean) ass. Overall, it cost 120,000 won for an hour of pure pleasure.

It is a little out of the way, though. If you were to go by taxi from Gangnam, it would end up about 10,000 won. On the other hand, you can take the number 7 line and get off at Sangbong, then hop in a taxi and say "anma" ("massage" in Korean), as there is only one in the neighborhood. They just opened up under the same owner as a nice place I used to go to in Apkujeong, but that place is currently closed down because of the crackdown, so the new place isn't having any problems with the police, obviously, probably because they are so distant.[/QUOTE]


[color=blue][b]Mahku[/b][/color]

I am confused here are you talking about Manila, Philippines here?

[color=blue][b]Juniour[/b][/color]

Sorry about that post from 11:20 at 7 am. I have no idea how that got there because I haven't been anywhere near the Korea board. Must be the new software. I'll try again and I hope Jackson erases that other one because it has nothing to do with me.

I was surprised about the fee also because they tried to spring it on me at checkout time without any prior notification. We called the manager and he explained it was a joiner fee for the girl. My girl, who was there with me, realized that they were basically calling her a prostitute/bargirl. She isn't that at all. I met her through a friend's introduction. When this manager saw that his eyes were about to be scratched out by my lady friend he relented on the joiner fee. This wise move saved his skin to nickel and dime foreign tourists another day.

I'm not sure if this is a regular policy. The hotel seemed to have it in for me because I was staying on a Cebu Pacific discount rate. Every day they were trying to get me to check out or pay a higher rate. On the fourth day they actually told me I had to move out, even though this airline discount rate is supposed to be valid for a week. So I moved over to the City Garden in Makati, which I can recommend to anyone. It's guest friendly and has a rooftop pool and gym.

As for the Hyatt Pasay I'll never go near the place again. They also hassled me about the discount rate when I checked in, saying it was only for Philippine residents. There is no mention of this requirement in any brochures and none of the other hotels who have this Cebu Pacific discount have this rule. After lots of trouble they reluctantly gave me the discount, but then hassled me every day I was there. So they saved a little money this time but for my future trips to the Philippines (2 months or so a year) they won't get my business.

That's a great post about a KOREAN MP, but it is obviously in the wrong place. Of course, I have to admit, that there have been times when I was in the midst of a multi-week, multi-nation trek when I have gotten more than a little confused about exatly where I was. Let's write it off to the old, "If this is Saturday this must be Seoul" syndrome.

Randy

Couple weeks ago decided to explore Pasay bars and also stop by famous LA Cafe.

The first night I went to EDSA Complex. First stop was Samba. There were about 25 ladies there but initially none really caught my attention. Finally, I spotted one and invited her to the table for a drink. To my disappointment she had a red flag waiving. Although she was trying to persuade me to take her for "unforgettable BJ", I passed on the offer and went further to Pitstop, which had worse collection of girls. Ended up in Firehouse where mamasan suggested me a real cutie. She was not really my type (too short) but she had nice curves and good attitude. It was getting a bit late and I had to go to work the next day, so I quickly bar-fined her (1,000 pesos) and went to the nearby motel for a short time. She was a typical filipina - shower by herslef only, cover herself immediately with a towel and fucking with lights off only. After 2 hours of decent blowjobs followed by fucks in some unimaginable positions (I discovered an advantage of having sex with a small lady) I dropped her off by the EDSA complex. Her fee was 2,000 pesos. It was an average experience.

The next day went to LA Cafe. Lots of people but too many guys and very few good looking ladies. Exited very quickly and headed back to Pasay. This time decided to try Visions located on Roxas Boulevard (right before the corner with Buendia avenue). That's really a hidden gem. There are definitely more good looking ladies than in any bar in EDSA Complex. I still think that the place to find stunners is Burgos street, but Visions had much less aggressive environment and only 1,000 pesos bar fine. The drinks were 110 for guest and 300 for ladies. Ended up taking out one really sexy girl for short time. Was thinking to take her to the motel, as I usually do, but she was so sweet that I decided to take a chance and took here to my place for overnight. She gave me a real GF experience. Took her number and have spent the next week with her. The only problem is to keep my head sober - not to fall for her and not let her to get high expectations for future. Experiences like this make my intentions of quitting mongering very difficult to make.

I do not understand all the bad things I read about LA Cafe. Everytime I go there it is about 10 ladies for every guy. And there are many good looking ladies there. What is up with you guys?

[QUOTE=HRC]The next day went to LA Cafe. Lots of people but too many guys and very few good looking ladies. Exited very quickly and headed back to Pasay. [/QUOTE]

Ray,

Everyone has their own opinion what a beauty looks like, so you may find someone you thin is pretty, but to others, her features may not be for other guys. I just thank the others for posting their experiences, so I know where to look the next time I am there.

The Bear

After a few visits, you can really get the entire vibe of LA Cafe down. I like it to effortlessly drink to excess without any hassle about lady drinks while you still get to indulge in a sea of girls looking to hook up. Quality can vary as has been covered here at length, but with at least a hundred girls there, you can surely find a few that motivate you.

I will note that methamphetamine (shabu) use among the regular girls there is pretty common.

There is also a far amount of unprotected sex and the STDs that go with them.

Befriended a trio of usual suspects there and they tagged along to Puerto Galera. I ended up getting them all treated at the clinic near the market in PG. They all admitted occassional unprotected sex and all had crank problems (which I didn't realize until we were out of Manila). There were some exceptional fringe benefits to taking a roadtrip with three hotties. In hindsight, I should have cut them loose in Manila to ply the patrons of LA Cafe instead of driving me nuts in PG for a week.

Hope this is statng the obvious, but always wear a raincoat.

The last time I passed through Manila I visited Pitstop (the one with the cars sticking out the walls?) and paid BF for a girl called Jena? 25ish really nice arse. Am planning another visit one night only and would like to hook up with her again. But if she's not there I will get a hotel near P. Burgos and check out that scene. So if anyone goes to Pitstop please try and find out if she still works there, thanks in advance.

PS She's a nice girl, fantastic arse, very open minded, no holes barred type and enjoys a threesome(or so she promised next time)

[s][b]Thu Dec 9, 2004[/b] [i]rank/score: fop/6[/i][/s]

I entered Visions Nite Club at 7:50pm. It’s open from 7pm until 3am. Happy Hour is from 7-8pm and beer costs 55P during that time. Ladies drinks are 195P or 299P for a “special” ladies drink, whatever that means.

The girls looked maybe slightly better than in an Angeles bar. Black Hole in Cebu City had much better looking girls. However the lack of interest on the part of the girls was the same in both Black Hole and Visions. I could not establish eye contact with any of the girls, while in Angeles I have no problem doing so. This may be because there are so few customers that the girls have become accustomed to ignoring them. The mamasan was quite pushy in getting me to buy a ladies’ drink. She called a girl down before I had agreed to it. By then I had seen and observed enough so I left.

I went to Amazonia and it had a much nicer atmosphere. I was there from around 9:20-10:50pm. The waitresses seem to like chatting with customers. When I returned the following day it was the same. In LA cafe it seems there are many more freelancers who approach customers, but in Amazonia there are many more waitresses who approach customers. I also noticed that LA cafe wanted 100P from me for going upstairs, which I presume is a recent change in their policy.

[s]Coordinates:

G-Point Pub: N 14 deg 34.691’ E 120 deg 58.884’
Slouch Hat: N 14 deg 34.748’ E 120 deg 58.754’
LA Cafe: N 14 deg 34.527’ E 120 deg 58.877’
Visions: N 14 deg 33.100’ E 120 deg 59.401’
Amazonia: near LA Cafe, a little north
Harry’s Pub: near Amazonia, a little north
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