Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2484076]Thanks for all the info. It has helped out.

I'm stuck in the US unfortunately. But I would love to taste some central european juices these days LOL.

I'm looking to travel hopefully next year and I was thinking to try something new. I've been to Europe countless times and as I write this I think of some of the chicks that I want to see when I can get there again. Haven't had the FKK experience yet, or the asian experience. I've been to Japan, but wasn't mongering then. So I was considering where to go once Americans can easily cross borders again.

It sounds like there is a consensus to avoid Singapore, consider Indonesia, and try Thailand. . I'll have to consider whether to try Thailand or do FKK and a few SA girls in Baltics (that already sounds fun) . Hell, Brazil sounds like it has some potential as well.[/QUOTE]You should try Belgrade. Food is cheap & amazing. The night life is wild & unique. If you know somebody who is connected, you can get super favorable deals on accommodation 200-300 euro for 1 month for a very decent apartment with great privacy, you do not have to stay the whole month, but that is what you pay, but you will want to stay 1 month, trust me. There are amazing SPAs with pools for very cheep prices. If you know somebody connected, you can rent the pool for several hours for you & a girl for a great price. The good thing about Serbia & Belgrade is that you can enter without any restrictions. I know several guys from America who are currently there. You should definitely think about Belgrade. Did I forget to mention? The girls are super hot, amazingly beautiful.

A quick update on Layla who remains my regular thing during Covid. So last time we were together we had a solid time but during pillow talk she got very solicitous and asked what can she do to be a better sugar baby? WTF? That's amazing service. I like that!

Well I was honest and said our room time is a bit mechanical and forced — it doesn't flow well. She took this under advisement in good spirits. We had previously discussed the fact that she gets drunk super easy. So we kind of made a joint plan to liquor her up and see where things go.

Next night out we started with a brilliant dinner. This was super nice because every time so far we have gone direct to room. It was good just to chat. I learned so much about her. She is no shallow girl. More facets than a diamond. Oh and she used to be a stripper. I seem to attract this persona! This will pay off later in the night.

So we got a bottle of wine after dinner and headed to the room for a WILD time. Lady Tigress was in hiding! She is a COMPLETELY different girl when liquored up. Soooo much fun. And she just smiles and giggles nonstop. And OMG her smile. Its just amazing. She has two wattages -- standard OMG wattage and drop a load in your shoe wattage. Amazing!

We started over by the dresser just getting naked and drinking wine. She threw it back pretty quickly and was getting loopy. She gets super sexy and smily when drunk so this was totally working. At some point she puts me in the chair and says let me do my stripper thing. (totally naked). She's clearly done this before. She is doing the sexy cat and down between my legs and up for back grind, but mixed in with BJ. She knows WTF she is doing and gets me hard as a brick.

Well I am pretty drunk so perilously hard to finish, but we do:

CG in chair.

RCG in chair.

Mish on bed.

Doggie on bed.

Half spoon half doggie.

Doggie closed legs.

Doggie prone bone.

More mish.

Masturbation show.

Lots of ball licking and sucking.

Passionate DFK (short tho).

Eventually shoot a load on her chest via HJ and BLS. Very nice.

If I had any doubts if she is a keeper or not, those were blown away. I just need to get her liquored up to get the tigress Layla, not the robot Layla!

My favorite thing in the entire world is drunk sex. To me, the difference between sex and drunk sex is huge. If I can do the latter, I'll do it every day. If I can only do the former, then I can sometimes go a week without sex.

Great report, BTW.

Normally, I'd be jealous, but I had too had a great session recently with my arrangement.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486231]

Well I am pretty drunk so perilously hard to finish, but we do:

CG in chair.

RCG in chair.

Mish on bed.

Doggie on bed.

Half spoon half doggie.

Doggie closed legs.

Doggie prone bone.

More mish.

Masturbation show.

Lots of ball licking and sucking.

Passionate DFK (short tho).

Eventually shoot a load on her chest via HJ and BLS. Very nice.

If I had any doubts if she is a keeper or not, those were blown away. I just need to get her liquored up to get the tigress Layla, not the robot Layla![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2486266]My favorite thing in the entire world is drunk sex. To me, the difference between sex and drunk sex is huge. If I can do the latter, I'll do it every day. If I can only do the former, then I can sometimes go a week without sex.

Great report, BTW.

Normally, I'd be jealous, but I had too had a great session recently with my arrangement.[/QUOTE]There are times, especially in Denver or Amsterdam where an edible (just a bit) can really change the tides of the encounter. If you just dip your foot in the water with 2 MG or so (not much more unless you are a seasoned partaker), and one or two beers, you will definitely see the difference. Just like alcohol, don't ingest too much and it will guarantee you a great night.

I once gave my SB an edible in Prague and told her to take it easy (don't eat too much) and that it takes about an 1-2 hours to kick in. She was already buzzed from our outing, and after 30 minutes complained a bit that she didn't' feel it. After 90 minutes or so, I could tell she was feeling the edible and she became completely uninhibited. Great sex and my camera failed me, I was so mad. LOL.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2486266]My favorite thing in the entire world is drunk sex. To me, the difference between sex and drunk sex is huge. If I can do the latter, I'll do it every day. If I can only do the former, then I can sometimes go a week without sex.

Great report, BTW.

Normally, I'd be jealous, but I had too had a great session recently with my arrangement.[/QUOTE]I am wondering how the girl feels the day after. Did she enjoy the experience and want to do it again or was she afraid of being her uninhibited self? So girls are naturally dtf, but other require some help in lowering inhibitions.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2486579]I am wondering how the girl feels the day after. Did she enjoy the experience and want to do it again or was she afraid of being her uninhibited self? So girls are naturally dtf, but other require some help in lowering inhibitions.[/QUOTE]Layla says she gets too crazy when she gets drunk. So she is only going to drink with me. Do I believe this? Nope. But happy to perpetuate the fantasy! Let's get drunk together babe just you and me. 😋.

Btw I do believe u will for sure have more success with a girl who is drinking — I don’t mean this in a bad way — not to take advantage of her but we are all a bit more DTF when drinking. I have had 4 “coffee dates” and other than Layla who has played the game before and DTF, the other three were fails. They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasn’t for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Although one just sent me a naked pic out of the blue. She said she just wanted to brighten my day. Still not sure about SB but it feels like a crack in the wall for sure! I will see if I can get her out for drinks...

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486738]They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasnt for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.[/QUOTE]Nothing personal Steve, I don't know your age or your looks, but I think some of these girls fantasize about handsome guys in their thirties and early forties sweeping them off their feet.

This is just an anecdote. I was following a city I travel to occasionally on SA. Over several months, this pretty girl (who looks like my ex-GF who was crazy in the sack) lowered her age from 60 to 50 and now 40. Granted everyone fudges on their age so perhaps when she put down 50 she was getting propositioned by 60 year old guys. Forty years old though, really?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2486751]Nothing personal Steve, I don't know your age or your looks, but I think some of these girls fantasize about handsome guys in their thirties and early forties sweeping them off their feet.

This is just an anecdote. I was following a city I travel to occasionally on SA. Over several months, this pretty girl (who looks like my ex-GF who was crazy in the sack) lowered her age from 60 to 50 and now 40. Granted everyone fudges on their age so perhaps when she put down 50 she was getting propositioned by 60 year old guys. Forty years old though, really?[/QUOTE]You are definitely right there is some fantasy there. But the girls I've met have all seen my picture and know I am "middle aged" to put it kindly. The atmosphere and alcohol is clearly a deciding factor. Here are my stats over the last year as far as getting laid:

Dinner / alcohol - 22 for 23 (and would have been 23 for 23 had I known early what I know now. Still missing that one that got away (second SA date ever) and still hope to see her again! We had mad chemistry but I was amateurish.

Lunch / Coffee / No alcohol - 1 for 4. (Layla).

It's not only the alcohol tho it's time of day also. You have a nice dinner it's dark out you are escalating at the bar. Feels natural to get a room. In the cold light of day the flow is just not there. Going to try to stick to nighttime from now on.

And guys out there reading this - dont think I am 22 for 23 because I am some great looking stud. Far from it. Yes I am not objectionable but far from super handsome. 98% of it is being charming and fun to be with (and having money LOL) Just enjoy the moment and make sure they are having a blast and the rest will follow.

And if u are feeling rusty with ur game (or never had one - here’s looking at u Steve!) go check out Attraction Japan and the Playbook. This is all about street pickup in Japan but man just the basics of how to handle girls — total eye opener for me.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486738]Layla says she gets too crazy when she gets drunk. So she is only going to drink with me. Do I believe this? Nope. But happy to perpetuate the fantasy! Let's get drunk together babe just you and me. 😋.

Btw I do believe u will for sure have more success with a girl who is drinking I dont mean this in a bad way not to take advantage of her but we are all a bit more DTF when drinking. I have had 4 coffee dates and other than Layla who has played the game before and DTF, the other three were fails. They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasnt for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Although one just sent me a naked pic out of the blue. She said she just wanted to brighten my day. Still not sure about SB but it feels like a crack in the wall for sure! I will see if I can get her out for drinks...[/QUOTE]Very interesting sir. I haven't had a "coffee date" so far, though it has been proposed (and turned down). My goto is always drinks and / or dinner. If a girl tells me she doesn't drink, I usually shy away from her. I'm not saying that nondrinkers won't give you a great session, be spontaneous, and uninhibited. It just hasn't been my experience. Just like you mentioned, my intent isn't to get them sloppy drunk in order to bang them, it's more that drinks make the conversation flow more smoothly and lower inhibitions both sexually and conversationally. In my case, I am usually in town for a couple of days max, so I need the SB to warm up really fast in order to enjoy each other and establish a foundation for next time.

Quick question:

Imagine you have a great night out with an SB and you pay the agreed upon PPM (300 euro in my case). If she then text you a few days later and ask, "What you doing tonight" and wants you to go out with her, is this considered a "meet" (in general)?

Why do I ask?? This has happened a few times, but only with 2 SBs. With both girls I have made the assumption that I will pay for out outing and maybe if the mood suites us, we will return back to my place for end of night sex (and we did). With both girls, I did not pay the PPM whenever they asked me to go out. However, I have paid the PPM when I have needed their time. What do you guys think, PPM even when they ask you out or not?

02 requested LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486738]Layla says she gets too crazy when she gets drunk. So she is only going to drink with me. Do I believe this? Nope. But happy to perpetuate the fantasy! Let's get drunk together babe just you and me. 😋.

Btw I do believe u will for sure have more success with a girl who is drinking I dont mean this in a bad way not to take advantage of her but we are all a bit more DTF when drinking. I have had 4 coffee dates and other than Layla who has played the game before and DTF, the other three were fails. They were newbies and thought on it overnight and maybe it wasnt for them. 90% sure we would have ended up together in bed if it was drinks instead of coffee. So take this under advisement.

Although one just sent me a naked pic out of the blue. She said she just wanted to brighten my day. Still not sure about SB but it feels like a crack in the wall for sure! I will see if I can get her out for drinks...[/QUOTE]It seems like she is sending a message. Why not kid her about how sex she looks and what a tease. And then introduce a subtle statement about sex? If she is testing the waters, you'll get the message. But you are already a pro.

You are definitely right there is some fantasy there. But the girls I've met have all seen my picture and know I am "middle aged" to put it kindly. The atmosphere and alcohol is clearly a deciding factor. Here are my stats over the last year as far as getting laid:

What kind of prices are you paying per meet for a hot, a 9 or 10, young SB in a major US city?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486758]You are definitely right there is some fantasy there. But the girls I've met have all seen my picture and know I am "middle aged" to put it kindly. The atmosphere and alcohol is clearly a deciding factor. Here are my stats over the last year as far as getting laid:

Dinner / alcohol - 22 for 23 (and would have been 23 for 23 had I known early what I know now. Still missing that one that got away (second SA date ever) and still hope to see her again! We had mad chemistry but I was amateurish.

Lunch / Coffee / No alcohol - 1 for 4. (Layla).

It's not only the alcohol tho it's time of day also. You have a nice dinner it's dark out you are escalating at the bar. Feels natural to get a room. In the cold light of day the flow is just not there. Going to try to stick to nighttime from now on.

And guys out there reading this - dont think I am 22 for 23 because I am some great looking stud. Far from it. Yes I am not objectionable but far from super handsome. 98% of it is being charming and fun to be with (and having money LOL) Just enjoy the moment and make sure they are having a blast and the rest will follow.

And if u are feeling rusty with ur game (or never had one - heres looking at u Steve!) go check out Attraction Japan and the Playbook. This is all about street pickup in Japan but man just the basics of how to handle girls total eye opener for me.[/QUOTE]What are you paying per meet for a hot (9 or10) young SB in major US cities?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486231]A quick update on Layla who remains my regular thing during Covid. So last time we were together we had a solid time but during pillow talk she got very solicitous and asked what can she do to be a better sugar baby? WTF? That's amazing service. I like that!

Well I was honest and said our room time is a bit mechanical and forced it doesn't flow well. She took this under advisement in good spirits. We had previously discussed the fact that she gets drunk super easy. So we kind of made a joint plan to liquor her up and see where things go.

Next night out we started with a brilliant dinner. This was super nice because every time so far we have gone direct to room. It was good just to chat. I learned so much about her. She is no shallow girl. More facets than a diamond. Oh and she used to be a stripper. I seem to attract this persona! This will pay off later in the night.

So we got a bottle of wine after dinner and headed to the room for a WILD time. Lady Tigress was in hiding! She is a COMPLETELY different girl when liquored up. Soooo much fun. And she just smiles and giggles nonstop. And OMG her smile. Its just amazing. She has two wattages -- standard OMG wattage and drop a load in your shoe wattage. Amazing![/QUOTE]Last Saturday I met up with my slash part time model in MTY. We go have a great dinner and drinks at my favorite Steak House. We Get home all that plus anal. We wake up and have sex again. Finally we get up take showers off to the SPA, great experience. Get home I had bought some toys. We break them out. She sticks one in her ass and we go at it for 1 hour Sunday afternoon. All for $200 to her. Spa $150 and Dinner was $150, but trust me we got our money worth at the restaurant.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486758]You are definitely right there is some fantasy there. But the girls I've met have all seen my picture and know I am "middle aged" to put it kindly. The atmosphere and alcohol is clearly a deciding factor. Here are my stats over the last year as far as getting laid:

Dinner / alcohol - 22 for 23 (and would have been 23 for 23 had I known early what I know now. Still missing that one that got away (second SA date ever) and still hope to see her again! We had mad chemistry but I was amateurish.

Lunch / Coffee / No alcohol - 1 for 4. (Layla).

It's not only the alcohol tho it's time of day also. You have a nice dinner it's dark out you are escalating at the bar. Feels natural to get a room. In the cold light of day the flow is just not there. Going to try to stick to nighttime from now on.

And guys out there reading this - dont think I am 22 for 23 because I am some great looking stud. Far from it. Yes I am not objectionable but far from super handsome. 98% of it is being charming and fun to be with (and having money LOL) Just enjoy the moment and make sure they are having a blast and the rest will follow.

And if u are feeling rusty with ur game (or never had one - heres looking at u Steve!) go check out Attraction Japan and the Playbook. This is all about street pickup in Japan but man just the basics of how to handle girls total eye opener for me.[/QUOTE]In the states I real do not mess around with lunch dates, usually a waste of time, for many different reasons. Also if they do not drink thing tend to be more difficult. These rules do not apply to Mexico and Russia. Mexican Girls love sex during the day, way more normal there, because of the there insane and controlling parents. (If they only knew what their daughters are doing.).

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2486751]
This is just an anecdote. I was following a city I travel to occasionally on SA. Over several months, this pretty girl (who looks like my ex-GF who was crazy in the sack) lowered her age from 60 to 50 and now 40. Granted everyone fudges on their age so perhaps when she put down 50 she was getting propositioned by 60 year old guys. Forty years old though, really?[/QUOTE]LOL, older gals always lie about their age. I had a similar experience. She was a year younger than me (at the time, I was late 40's), but she initially posted her age as 37, then a year later, I noticed she changed it to 33. She's never been married, so she kept her figure and looks. So, if they think they can pull it off, then more power to them.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2486758]

It's not only the alcohol tho it's time of day also. You have a nice dinner it's dark out you are escalating at the bar. Feels natural to get a room. In the cold light of day the flow is just not there. Going to try to stick to nighttime from now on.

[/QUOTE]Agree on both counts. Daytime meets feel like a business meeting. Very awkward. And alcohol definitely makes the date feel more natural, as inhibitions are relaxed, both hers and mine.

To Akibono, I never encourage anyone to drink. I never make a girl do something that she doesn't want to do. So, I've never had a girl regret it the next morning if they drank.

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2486766]Very interesting sir. I haven't had a "coffee date" so far, though it has been proposed (and turned down). My goto is always drinks and / or dinner. If a girl tells me she doesn't drink, I usually shy away from her.

Quick question:

Imagine you have a great night out with an SB and you pay the agreed upon PPM (300 euro in my case). If she then text you a few days later and ask, "What you doing tonight" and wants you to go out with her, is this considered a "meet" (in general)?

Why do I ask?? This has happened a few times, but only with 2 SBs. With both girls I have made the assumption that I will pay for out outing and maybe if the mood suites us, we will return back to my place for end of night sex (and we did). With both girls, I did not pay the PPM whenever they asked me to go out. However, I have paid the PPM when I have needed their time. What do you guys think, PPM even when they ask you out or not?[/QUOTE]I actually screen on drinking, to make sure she drinks. As I mentioned before, I love drunk sex, so she's got to be a drinker. Heavier the better, but not pass out drunk, obviously.

As for your question, if a gal contacted me, I would still PPM. It's the arrangement, after all, and no mention of who initiates a meet. I always want to make sure there this isn't a real relationship. If I don't stick to the arrangement, then they might think we are in a real relationship, and I cannot have them thinking that. I had a couple of instances where the gal began to think we were in a real relationship, and both ended badly and both hate me now. Last thing that I need.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2486864]What are you paying per meet for a hot (9 or10) young SB in major US cities?[/QUOTE]Based on what's in this thread, 500 for big cities like SF and NYC, 400 in other large cities, 300 in small cities. If you live somewhere really rural, then lower than 300 is possible.