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[QUOTE=TheCane;2656734]There are some cruises that are just for swingers. Those cruises are typically for couples only, but I did identify at least one that accepted some singles (expensive). A P4P cruise would be great for us mongers though wouldn't it?[/QUOTE]They throw hobbyists overboard on cruises.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2656734]There are some cruises that are just for swingers. Those cruises are typically for couples only, but I did identify at least one that accepted some singles (expensive). A P4P cruise would be great for us mongers though wouldn't it?[/QUOTE]Sex on a cruise would be a great option except for a poor married guy like myself who constantly needs an umbrella to hide sex on a side from the spouse. It would be a torture for a wedlocked dude to be on a cruise and unable to utilize the services. Besides an official entrance to the brothel I would recommend a backdoor from inside a men's' restroom with an access to the facilities occupied by the working girls. That way one could do the deed in 15 minutes and be back imitating a happy married couple until the next urge.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2656744]They throw hobbyists overboard on cruises.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of an old joke.
Drunk wife leans over the guard rail on the upper deck of the cruise ship. A waiter runs by and says madam, please be careful, you may fall overboard! Irritated husband: please leave us alone, this is our vacation!
[QUOTE=Gino02;2656699]LOL some fool doesn't even understand why his response was hilarious to the adults in the room.[/QUOTE]Apparently I am that fool. But as the adult, feel free to educate.
Saturdays are good days to assess cases since agencies often stop reporting on the weekends.
Cases seem to have peaked in most developed nations. Of the G7 nations, Germany and Japan seem to be the last to establish clear peaks. Average time from surge to peak is between 3-4 weeks which is where Germany is at the moment. In the cases of UK and Canada, the time to get back down to a base level looks like 5-6 weeks. Worldwide numbers appear to have peaked also.
[B]G7 Nations cases peaked[/B]
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-11-08..latest&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=USA~DEU~GBR~FRA~ITA~JPN~CAN[/URL]
[B]World cases peaked.[/B]
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-11-05..latest&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~OWID_WRL[/URL]
As always, peak deaths follow 2-3 weeks after peak cases which is what above nations should be experiencing now, with Japan and Germany to follow in the next month.
[B]G7 nations Deaths currently at their peaks.[/B]
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-12-08..latest&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=USA~ITA~CAN~DEU~GBR~FRA~JPN[/URL]
After vax campaigns and recent Omicron exposure, over 90% of the world should have some combination of immunity either through vax or natural immunity decreasing future case severity. I dare to say spring should see some quiet times and extend though the summer. Other variants may arise but variants have consistently shown to become more and more transmissible but less and less lethal.
[B]World deaths peaks decreasing with each wave.[/B]
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~OWID_WRL[/URL]
[B]Over 80% of 2021 US deaths were amongst the unvaccinated.[/B]
Unvaxxed only make up about 25% of the US population but 80% of Delta-Omicron deaths, 70% of Delta-Omicron cases, and 65% of Omicron cases.
From April 2021 to December 2021 94 K unvax deaths compared to 22 K vax deaths in the USA, 6. 8 million cases unvaxxed compared to 2. 8 million vaxxed.
In December when Omicron took hold, unvaxxed cases (748 per 100 K) made up 4. 9 x more cases than boostered cases (148 per 100 K) and 2. 8 x more cases than vax unboostered (254 per 100 K). Death numbers for December still pending.
[URL] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm#T2_down[/URL]
Dare to say whatever variants arise, covid winters will go forth and mimic flu winters. I'm banking on an annual vaccine schedule and pray that governments and the people will not accept mandates and just leave it up to the people to decide for themselves how they want to approach their health. But the efficacy of vaccines and boosters although waning is clear after examining the data from the entirety of 2021. That's especially true for the 50 year old and up population, something quite pertinent for the average reader on this forum.
Point is, the numbers are clearly out there and the health impact of covid variants is leveling off. Add the fact that people have to tools and / recent exposure to protect themselves, people can now make their own decisions regarding vax or whatever without being a threat to others who have properly made the right decisions to protect themselves in the setting of their own health / immunity profiles.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2656623]You can do a ton of fucking on a cruise..... if you are into geriatrics or near geriatrics.[/QUOTE]Ever been on a cruise where there was a large contingent of single gay dudes? The things these eyes have seen!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2656603]And having had covid does not count any longer to get a positive health pass!
At least officially. Even if some of the same people one day claim that having had covid gives you equally or better resistance![/QUOTE]A moment of agreement because natural immunity is supported by decades old immunology concepts but only recently validated by actual data as it pertains to covid. Will policy makers take heed? I think they will be forced to eventually accept that reality as more data backs this up.
Covid exposure should be recognized to be as good as vax if not even better, especially Omicron exposure as immunity acquired to Omicron appears to be backwards compatible to previous variants.
It is less likely, although possible, that future variants will be able to simultaneously escape Omicron immunity while also causing significantly more severe disease. As each wave passes, benefits of vaccination versus natural immunity will further gravitate toward natural immunity, at least for the robustly healthy.
Due to social-political climates, herd immunity through vaccination is obviously not realistically possible and considering the dwindling disease severity, future policies should promote, not mandate, vaccination, especially for for the elderly. The realities of Omicron and the future protection exposure provides should help alleviate the pressure for governments to continue their desire to mandate.
By now we all know that these injections doesn't prevent sickness and they certainly NOT prevent transmitting the disease, so then what's the fucking point with these so called vaxxpassports?
So since you transmit the disease you don't take the injektions to save others from getting it, you take the shot to protect yourself. If you feel the need to take a injektion with an emergency approved 'vaccine' with all time high adverse reactions feel free to take it. But don't try and force others to do the same. I for one trust my own immune system and don't feel the need to take a test to know if I'm sick or not.
How many billions of euros is all these pcr testing cost?! It's crazy really, they are not even reliable what so ever. What we have at the moment is a 'test-pandemic' that forces people to stay home from work & school even if they don't have any symptoms.
Fuck big pharma & the MSM media.
[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2657059]A moment of agreement because natural immunity is supported by decades old immunology concepts but only recently validated by actual data as it pertains to covid. Will policy makers take heed? I think they will be forced to eventually accept that reality as more data backs this up.[/QUOTE]As usual you misread my posts. I always overestimate other people. That is my biggest fault in life.
My point was that natural immunity or not is irrelevant because the point of the quackzine has nothing to do with covid.
If that at this stage has not become apparent, then I guess perhaps the brain control might have started working sooner than I had expected. Or perhaps as I wrote above, I just keep overestimating people.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657092]By now we all know that these injections doesn't prevent sickness and they certainly NOT prevent transmitting the disease, so then what's the fucking point with these so called vaxxpassports?
So since you transmit the disease you don't take the injektions to save others from getting it, you take the shot to protect yourself. If you feel the need to take a injektion with an emergency approved 'vaccine' with all time high adverse reactions feel free to take it. But don't try and force others to do the same. I for one trust my own immune system and don't feel the need to take a test to know if I'm sick or not.
How many billions of euros is all these pcr testing cost?! It's crazy really, they are not even reliable what so ever. What we have at the moment is a 'test-pandemic' that forces people to stay home from work & school even if they don't have any symptoms.
Fuck big pharma & the MSM media.[/QUOTE]Blah blah blah. Here you go:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/25/us-fda-vaccine-advisory-group-covid-vaccines-flu[/URL]
Now the nurse and the idiots just need their 4th and 5th vaxx!
We never would have imagined how effective the vaccines would have become! LOL.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657092]By now we all know that these injections doesn't prevent sickness and they certainly NOT prevent transmitting the disease, so then what's the fucking point with these so called vaxxpassports?
So since you transmit the disease you don't take the injektions to save others from getting it, you take the shot to protect yourself. If you feel the need to take a injektion with an emergency approved 'vaccine' with all time high adverse reactions feel free to take it. But don't try and force others to do the same. I for one trust my own immune system and don't feel the need to take a test to know if I'm sick or not.
How many billions of euros is all these pcr testing cost?! It's crazy really, they are not even reliable what so ever. What we have at the moment is a 'test-pandemic' that forces people to stay home from work & school even if they don't have any symptoms.
Fuck big pharma & the MSM media.[/QUOTE]Preface by saying I agree on the declining usefulness on vaccine passports, but from a philosophical point of view. People have had the opportunity protect themselves if they choose. I'm ideologically oppose to the idea of having these freedom cards but only now 1, again people have had an opportunity to protect themselves and 2, the disease is less severe with Omicron.
That being said, death rates clearly show that vaccines have a very measurable amount on severe sickness. In US, 25% of unvaxxed make up 80% of deaths. Doesn't get more clear than that.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/URL]#T2_down.
Does not stop transmission but clearly reduced transmission, although less and less with each variant.
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597[/URL]
Antigen tests may not be so reliable but are good for detecting how contagious someone is. False negative on antigen still likely not doing harm as negative antigen correlates with low chance of transmitting. PCR generally have remain pretty reliable with the exception of the Omicron BA. 2 variant that seem to be escaping even the PCR due to an S-gene mutation. But that has no effect on ability to cause disease.
Most guys I know are overly confident in their health. Probably the reason why men are more likely to experience an unexpected diagnosis in an emergency setting. That reality usually start hitting them when they realize that they're in their 40's and 50's and are no longer 25.
It doesn't matter if the quackzinr was approved or authorized. It is the efficacy that matters. See?
[URL]https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/lack-fda-covid-vaccine-approval-doesnt-matter[/URL]
And although most nanoparticles caused a lot of detoxification through the lungs, a lot of people got chipped.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2657107]As usual you misread my posts. I always overestimate other people. That is my biggest fault in life.
My point was that natural immunity or not is irrelevant because the point of the quackzine has nothing to do with covid.
If that at this stage has not become apparent, then I guess perhaps the brain control might have started working sooner than I had expected. Or perhaps as I wrote above, I just keep overestimating people.[/QUOTE]No, I just chose to push conversation from unprovable fantasy-conspiracy in a direction that may actually be of interest to normal humans.
Don't know about the US but in Sweden, Denmark & many other countries you are statistically unvaccinated in the hospitals when you have taken 1 shot and until two or three weeks after the second shot. And when you take your booster shot you are again unvaccinated the first couple of weeks after the shot! Logical isn't it!? Many of those in the hospitals and deaths in Sweden has come in a few days after their injections, and then they are unvaccinated! So the statistics from the governments is not really what I would trust to be honest.
Why is thousands of scientists and doctors silenced all over the world?! The truth can be examined, the lie can not.
I choose to trust all these doctors and scientists that put their jobs and reputation on the line, rather than the governments own 'experts'.
You also need to take into consideration that the average age of those that have died with maybe not even of Covid in Sweden is 83 years old.
To even have the thought of vaccination of kids with a experimental vaccine is bizarre. You need to make a risk vs benefit analysis first. And as we hopefully all know young people have close to zero gain of a vaccine since they are not being hospitalised. We all agree that whatever injection status all people transmit the disease so vaxxpassports are utterly useless. They only serve one purpose, control. It's the agenda of global fascists, you own nothing and you will be happy as the World Economic Forum so nicely put it.
And a couple of weeks ago EMA (European Medicine Agency) mentioned in a study that your immune system could be damaged by the so called vaccine.
We are lucky that this Omicron variant is so contagious and with mild symptoms, the more people who gets it naturally the closer we get to natural immunity.
And again if you are 'vaccinated' why do you care if others are, you're safe right?!
If not, doesn't your medicine work if others don't take it?! Hahaha sorry but there is close to zero logic in this.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]Don't know about the US but in Sweden, Denmark & many other countries you are statistically unvaccinated in the hospitals when you have taken 1 shot and until two or three weeks after the second shot. And when you take your booster shot you are again unvaccinated the first couple of weeks after the shot! Logical isn't it!? Many of those in the hospitals and deaths in Sweden has come in a few days after their injections, and then they are unvaccinated! So the statistics from the governments is not really what I would trust to be honest.[/QUOTE]Can't speak for Sweden but in the USA, you are considered fully vaccinated on Day 1 after J&J and as soon as you get the 2nd mRNA dose. Even without a booster, you are considered fully vaccinated and these rounds of deaths in those without boosters will count towards the vaccinated deaths.
I trust the numbers here which show 25% unvaxxed making up 80% of deaths in 2021.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]Why is thousands of scientists and doctors silenced all over the world?! The truth can be examined, the lie can not. I choose to trust all these doctors and scientists that put their jobs and reputation on the line, rather than the governments own 'experts'.
[/QUOTE]I think the loud voices are being heard, there's just not a lot of them making the claims you seek. Thousands compared to hundreds of millions having the opposing view means that their peers are not buying what they are selling. There is something to be said about that. Likely something to do with sound supporting evidence.
Most people with science backgrounds will will not make resolute declarations unless they have a preponderance of evidence. You might get a most-likely prediction at best. That's just the nature of how science oriented people think. The people who speak with absolute confidence are the outliers or are just seizing their opportunity for fame. 1 million Youtube followers is much more lucrative than a research job, maybe even more lucrative than a physician's salary.
There are some who make good points, but those aren't the ones who go full-on, balls-to-the-wall, aluminum-foil-hats screaming that vaccines don't work when they clearly have a very real benefit. Rather, they are usually the ones who suggests certain nuance thoughts like considering alternative therapies, challenging child vaccinations, considering mental health effects of lock downs, opposing overly frequent vaccine boosters, etc etc etc.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]You also need to take into consideration that the average age of those that have died with maybe not even of Covid in Sweden is 83 years old.[/QUOTE]It's no secret that Scandinavian countries have a fairly healthy population. The advantages of Scandinavian cultural and social tendencies which naturally mitigate spread of infectious disease have also been discussed at length on this board.
With only 16.000 deaths in Sweden, I can see why you would be upset about all this hoopla for what seem to be an insignificant issue in your homeland, but that is not the case in all other western countries. If you are upset about your nation's policies, that seems fair. To be upset at other nations that have death rates which are double yours seems unreasonable.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]To even have the thought of vaccination of kids with a experimental vaccine is bizarre. You need to make a risk vs benefit analysis first. And as we hopefully all know young people have close to zero gain of a vaccine since they are not being hospitalised. We all agree that whatever injection status all people transmit the disease so vaxxpassports are utterly useless. They only serve one purpose, control. It's the agenda of global fascists, you own nothing and you will be happy as the World Economic Forum so nicely put it.[/QUOTE]Yeah yeah, I've heard those podcasts and youtube videos regarding the World Economic Forum and Great Resets too. Not my concern or interest. There are a few others on here who would love to discuss those things with you.
Regarding kids, I somewhat agree. But for young adults, there is quite a benefit to vaccination, let me discuss: I'm boosted and was out for less than 2 days with Omicron. Colleagues 10 years younger who were not yet boosted were out for over a week. Although we were not hospitalized, that's several thousand dollars of lost income I didn't have to endure because I got a recent shot. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of cases just like this and that's quite a lot of lost productivity for individuals and even society. Worker shortages and supply chain issues are already bad enough. Doubling and tripling that lost productivity would be disastrous. So yes, there is a benefit for the young to get vaccinated, to them and to society.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]And a couple of weeks ago EMA (European Medicine Agency) mentioned in a study that your immune system could be damaged by the so called vaccine.[/QUOTE]There is an element called Ts (suppressor) cells that can be overstimulated with repeated vaccinations. Overstimulation of Ts cells leads to suppression of an immune response for that specific antigen. That is why I am no supporter of frequent booster schedules such as Israel's. The fourth booster has already been shown to only be effective for roughly a month.
I however have no issues with an annual vaccination schedule if it's still needed.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]We are lucky that this Omicron variant is so contagious and with mild symptoms, the more people who gets it naturally the closer we get to natural immunity.[/QUOTE]10000% agree. And it won't be the last variant. The next one should be even more transmissible and hopefully even more mild.
[QUOTE=TeddyBears;2657160]And again if you are 'vaccinated' why do you care if others are, you're safe right?!
If not, doesn't your medicine work if others don't take it?! Hahaha sorry but there is close to zero logic in this.
[/QUOTE]I actually don't care about others being vaccinated anymore considering the current variant's mild severity and an already fairly well immunized population. As you said, I'm protected and also not exactly at risk for severe disease. As stated, I am no supporter of mandates. I will however speak up when I see obvious bad information being circulated.
Even if you feel that the vaccines are being used to "control" people, that does not mean they are not effective. The data clearly says they make quite a big difference. No need to make untrue claims to validate a belief you can have without doing so.