Bangkok Reports

Just wanted to add my two cents worth. I kived in BKK for 5 years and can relate to being non-white in Thailand.

What some of the others have said is quite true, but I need to tell you when they say "most of the Thai girls" they mean abiut 90% of them are racist. And as one said they have this hangup about being white.

But you can still find some girls that are really happy to be with you. Here are some tips:
In Nana or Soi Cowboy don't be too aggressive, wait until someone speaks with you are makes eye contact.

In Grace hotel you can be as forward as you like the only color that matters there is 'green'. And you can find some gems in Grace hotel.

Just don't be too alarmed that these Thai girls will be rushing after every non-white that walks by them. It's a built in reaction.

Be smart and be fair with the ladies and you will be successful.

There is a really awkward issue that is part of this from the Thai/Asian perspective. Everything we said earlier is true, but there is one other aspect, the one that's actually really difficult to talk about because its a sensitive topic. There's one complaint you would hear from them about certain non-whites, and actually about certain whites too, which is basically the degree of 'natural fragrance' the guy exudes. Basically, Thais shower a lot compared to us in other parts of the world. And they tend to be quite sensitive to body odors. Us guys from other countries generallly smell a bit worse to them than Thais, and we also might have strange non-Thai varieties of body odor for whatever reason (diet, chemistry, etc.).

But all the girls will prefer the non-smell of someone who showers often, hopefully not long before going out, and also the pleasant odor of someone wearing some kind of cologne or after shave or something.

As an American, our guy likely doesn't have serious issues in this direction, but I'd still say overall that non-Thais are generally worse in this regard than Thais. And the Africans have probaby the worst reputation for this. Being black, Thai girls may make the connection on this issue on sight -- so if it was me, I'd just make sure to make this one a non-issue. Like me, I always make apoint of having a shower before heading out for the evening to Nana Plaza or something, and also splash on some fragrance too. I do think it makes a difference.

[QUOTE=Wendella]the one that's actually really difficult to talk about because its a sensitive topic. [/QUOTE]

Agree with what you said about showering and smell. But I'll add another hugely sensitive topic. A mate of mine is from India. He's been to Thailand three times and hated it. Said girls were rude and obnoxious etc... One trip he was with a group of 10 or so Indian's and they all went out together. Said no one paid them any eye contact etc... This guy is a professional individual, fit, well mannered, not cheap, etc... And he was offended by the thai girls reactions. Understandable to me he was offended.

I got him to come back when I was in Thailand. We took him out and introduced him to folks we knew (ladies) during day time and took him out at night and after he spent one afternoon and night with us he was welcomed and girls wanting him. Best trip of his life so far.

Sometimes it's just the approach and who you are with that can make a difference also. Taken in reverse, an old man who is with me usually gets more play then I do as the girls will flock to the old man (less work) then me. Sad but maybe true for some folks. If a person is seen with a crowd (one indian, one fat old white guy, one asian looking guy, and one fat young white guy) and we were enjoying our time and such it seemed to be a better accepted by the ladies then just an Indian alone or a group of Indians. Same happened in another country to a friend of mine who is black.

Sensitive subject... but if you're having troubles or run into things try hanging in mixed company maybe.

[QUOTE=Wendella]
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But all the girls will prefer the non-smell of someone who showers often, hopefully not long before going out, and also the pleasant odor of someone wearing some kind of cologne or after shave or something.
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As we are on a colour subject :) I am caucasian, and had once a thai girl for a few nights. As you point out she was very accurate about showering. As I did shower just before going out, I was showering quickly when we came back to the room. Was more 'show' shower, honestly. When we were in bed she started to kind of check whether I was smelling or not, abit suspicious I did not shower enough!
Have to say that many years ago had a working mate sharing the same office room. He was from Central Africa. Well, his smell was kind of unbreabale. Was not my opinion only. But not that he did not shower, simply the chemistry of his skin was producing a smell that we are not used to. Could be the food, could be the skin itself. But was hard to stand. Just as we react to local foods in a way as we are not used to, also skin smell changes from people to people.

I saw an old movie newsreel from the 30s that showed some soap company (Camay? cant remember) going around in France demonstrating for school kids how to take a bath and wash their hair. For the soap company it was great marketing because they were basically creating new widespread habits that would result in their getting rich on sales of soap and shampoo. The point made by this was that it wasn't generally popular to take baths yet by that time, at least not as often as we normally do these days. The kind of showering standards we have these days are probably a fairly recent development, like from WW2 onward. (I wonder if any old timers here might be able to weigh in on this) And actually it probably spread geographically, getting passed on from one area to another over decades.

If I was going to bet, I'd say the degree of odor comes down more to culture (hygiene habits of the US / Europe vs those of Africa) than chemistry (which would come down to DNA). I mean, if you just think about it, odor is really small particles in the air that you sense as smell. Those particles must come from something. If you sweat, that sweat gets all over your skin and stays there, or else in your clothes. It's particles of that dried sweat that we smell. If you shower and put on a fresh shirt, you remove that dried sweat, thus far fewer stinky particles in the air around you. Regardless of the particular chemistry those particles are made of, in general the overall effect will be less stinky if youre cleaner and more stinky if you don't shower -- fewer particiles = less stink. Even if you did have some especially potent chemical/stink, you'd still surely reduce its effect as much as possible by showering often.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]As we are on a colour subject :) I am caucasian, and had once a thai girl for a few nights. As you point out she was very accurate about showering. As I did shower just before going out, I was showering quickly when we came back to the room. Was more 'show' shower, honestly. When we were in bed she started to kind of check whether I was smelling or not, abit suspicious I did not shower enough!
Have to say that many years ago had a working mate sharing the same office room. He was from Central Africa. Well, his smell was kind of unbreabale. Was not my opinion only. But not that he did not shower, simply the chemistry of his skin was producing a smell that we are not used to. Could be the food, could be the skin itself. But was hard to stand. Just as we react to local foods in a way as we are not used to, also skin smell changes from people to people.[/QUOTE]Thank you to everyone who has responsed to my earlier post and I greatly admire how the senior members steered the conversation back to mongering after it unfortunately went in a racial discussion. That was not my intent but unfortunately I have had girls cancel appointments on me and directly mention race. I even know of other monger who were told over thThat said the focus is mongers phone they could not book an appointment because they sounded too foreign/arab (but thats here in states)that said the focus of the forum is for info and everyone has provided me a lot of clarity.
One that sticks out is to travel with other mongers. It usually makes for a better time than travelling solo.

Again thank you for the response and I apologise for the distraction.

[QUOTE=Wendella]I saw an old movie newsreel from the 30s that showed some soap company (Camay? cant remember) going around in France demonstrating for school kids how to take a bath and wash their hair. For the soap company it was great marketing because they were basically creating new widespread habits that would result in their getting rich on sales of soap and shampoo. The point made by this was that it wasn't generally popular to take baths yet by that time, at least not as often as we normally do these days. The kind of showering standards we have these days are probably a fairly recent development, like from WW2 onward. (I wonder if any old timers here might be able to weigh in on this) And actually it probably spread geographically, getting passed on from one area to another over decades.

If I was going to bet, I'd say the degree of odor comes down more to culture (hygiene habits of the US / Europe vs those of Africa) than chemistry (which would come down to DNA). I mean, if you just think about it, odor is really small particles in the air that you sense as smell. Those particles must come from something. If you sweat, that sweat gets all over your skin and stays there, or else in your clothes. It's particles of that dried sweat that we smell. If you shower and put on a fresh shirt, you remove that dried sweat, thus far fewer stinky particles in the air around you. Regardless of the particular chemistry those particles are made of, in general the overall effect will be less stinky if youre cleaner and more stinky if you don't shower -- fewer particiles = less stink. Even if you did have some especially potent chemical/stink, you'd still surely reduce its effect as much as possible by showering often.[/QUOTE]
Don't take this a mere 'racist' comment, but it is a fact that different races have different 'body' structures. Not for nothing there are white, dark, black, some have round eyes, some not. Curly hair are more typical (not100%) afro and so on and so on. Not a wonder the odour of one is different from the odour of another one. It has also something to do with the food (ingredients) regularly consumed by the 'race' or ethnical and geographical population.
Just a mere fact, nothing to do with being different with a bad meaning.
Do not think a shower will remove the stinky effect if you suffer of that 'emotional' (and strongly odourly) sweating that sometime hits (regularly or non regularly) a lot of people. Happens to me sometime to feel myself I stink, just 2 minutes after the shower I took to ... remove the odour. And I am not (at least I do not think!) one of those people suffering of stinking sweat.
Bodies are not the same...

[QUOTE=Bionicman]Happens to me sometime to feel myself I stink, just 2 minutes after the shower I took to ... remove the odour.[/QUOTE]

Also, many folks are not used to a hot humid environment, their bodies will naturally react differently in Thailand due to the different environmental conditions.

I am white and the first time I was with a black girl I noticed this strange musky odor, strongest in the crotch, which I assumed was just her. Honestly it made me a bit nauseous. Then I was with a couple more black girls and there was the same odor. One girl in particular I slept with after playing tennis in the summer heat for 2 hours and not showering. When I took off her pants I really almost vomited.

Now I'm sort of scared off from black girls simply because of the odor. I did some googling and apparently it has something to do with their hair follicles and sweat glands and that sort of thing, which is a different issue than some Indian people who might smell due to their diet.

So if it was tough for me to deal with as a white person, I think for Thai girls it would be twice as bad. It's probably best for black guys (and also for white guys) to be extra hygienic when dealing with thai girls.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]And I am not (at least I do not think!) one of those people suffering of stinking sweat.
Bodies are not the same...[/QUOTE]
Maybe it has something to do with you being bionic.
Seriously, I realize some people got the stank naturally more than others, but if you stink that bad after a few minutes after showering, think how bad it'd be if you didn't shower.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I am white and the first time I was with a black girl I noticed this strange musky odor, strongest in the crotch, which I assumed was just her. Honestly it made me a bit nauseous. Then I was with a couple more black girls and there was the same odor. One girl in particular I slept with after playing tennis in the summer heat for 2 hours and not showering. When I took off her pants I really almost vomited.

Now I'm sort of scared off from black girls simply because of the odor. I did some googling and apparently it has something to do with their hair follicles and sweat glands and that sort of thing, which is a different issue than some Indian people who might smell due to their diet.

So if it was tough for me to deal with as a white person, I think for Thai girls it would be twice as bad. It's probably best for black guys (and also for white guys) to be extra hygienic when dealing with thai girls.[/QUOTE]
Its known scientifically that the acrid stench (or fragrant smell - to some people ;)) in human armpits and genital areas, arseholes, and a few other minor locations is due Aprocrine sweat glands.

The level of smell is likely to be influenced by the person's frequency and skill in cleaning, diet, health, stress level, medication and especially genetics (which is unfortunately racially influenced).

In technical terms, it depends on just how densely populated are these apocrine glands and how big they are including the size of the opening, and how much stuff they secrete, and bacteria levels. The smell is actually caused by bacteria that can enter the apocrine glands. Washing on the outside cannot get rid of bacteria that have entered the gland.

Yellow armpit stains are caused by aprocrine sweat glands.

For many people having a good shower with lots of soap or cleansing lotion can do the trick (if the secreting has largely stopped), but for others this is not enough, as the glands keep secreting smelling stuff at a great rate. Medical assistence may be possible to reduce the bacteria levels.

East Asians like Chinese and Thais are known to have very few aprocrine sweat glands (perhaps none in some persons) and have heaps of another variety (that everyone has), which don't smell. That's why they don't smell and are not used to body odours. Some cultures are used to the body odours, as its very prevalent, and don't really notice it. The Asians are very sensitive to it.

One day I got into a Hotel lift with several very sweaty Thai workman. No B.O. whatsoever. Then a guest of the Hotel got into the lift and we all almost feinted. :eek:
Sorry, I was trying to keep this technical.

That's the way it is. Us Farangs have a problem that Thais don't have until we go near them.

I wonder if the Soapy MP surcharges for Farangs are because some of us stink? Might be one factor.

Watch out guys. Maybe no BBBJ if your dick has overly active apocrine sweat glands (or if you just don't clean it enough).

[QUOTE=M P Lurker]Its known scientifically that the acrid stench (or fragrant smell - to some people ;)) in human armpits and genital areas, arseholes, and a few other minor locations is due Aprocrine sweat glands.

The level of smell is likely to be influenced by the person's frequency and skill in cleaning, diet, health, stress level, medication and especially genetics (which is unfortunately racially influenced).

In technical terms, it depends on just how densely populated are these apocrine glands and how big they are including the size of the opening, and how much stuff they secrete, and bacteria levels. The smell is actually caused by bacteria that can enter the apocrine glands. Washing on the outside cannot get rid of bacteria that have entered the gland.

Yellow armpit stains are caused by aprocrine sweat glands.

For many people having a good shower with lots of soap or cleansing lotion can do the trick (if the secreting has largely stopped), but for others this is not enough, as the glands keep secreting smelling stuff at a great rate. Medical assistence may be possible to reduce the bacteria levels.

East Asians like Chinese and Thais are known to have very few aprocrine sweat glands (perhaps none in some persons) and have heaps of another variety (that everyone has), which don't smell. That's why they don't smell and are not used to body odours. Some cultures are used to the body odours, as its very prevalent, and don't really notice it. The Asians are very sensitive to it.

One day I got into a Hotel lift with several very sweaty Thai workman. No B.O. whatsoever. Then a guest of the Hotel got into the lift and we all almost feinted. :eek:
Sorry, I was trying to keep this technical.

That's the way it is. Us Farangs have a problem that Thais don't have until we go near them.

I wonder if the Soapy MP surcharges for Farangs are because some of us stink? Might be one factor.

Watch out guys. Maybe no BBBJ if your dick has overly active apocrine sweat glands (or if you just don't clean it enough).[/QUOTE]
Mick Licker/MP Lurker/Whatever You're Calling Yourself These Days, the major factor is diet. Take the time to ask your Asian contacts in Oz about how foodstuffs such as dairy, etc and other lifestyle changes have affected their levels of body odour/static charge/so-on and so-forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Westerners buttering up to Thai prejudices are pathetic and nauseating. And not only that, they are usually more disliked by the bigoted locals they are trying to impress than the people they are trying to ridicule :D.

Thanks for the detail MP Lurker. I didn't know all that.


One trick to prevent odor is to keep your public hair trimmed as short as possible. This is true for women also.

In the shower, scrubbing the crotch firmly with a washcloth works much better than simply running a bar of soap over it.

I've had issues with over sweating/smelling and even tho I will take long showers and scrub and scrub in the sensitive areas. 5 minutes after a shower I know I stink. Ha.

In my home country its not too bad but SEA can be embarassing for me.

Thankfully I've come across a product called Maxim which has helped me immensely.

It may or may not help you but for me it seems to block the sweat glands where I apply it and stops me smelling.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Mick Licker/MP Lurker/Whatever You're Calling Yourself These Days, the major factor is diet. Take the time to ask your Asian contacts in Oz about how foodstuffs such as dairy, etc and other lifestyle changes have affected their levels of body odour/static charge/so-on and so-forth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Westerners buttering up to Thai prejudices are pathetic and nauseating. And not only that, they are usually more disliked by the bigoted locals they are trying to impress than the people they are trying to ridicule :D.[/QUOTE]

Um, which 'buttering up' behavior exactly is it that nauseates you?

I'm not sure MPL's Asian contacts in Oz are what we should consider to be the highest authority on this. Yeah ok, the diet is different. But if some people who have no idea about human physiology have decided that diet alone is the main connection to body odor doesnt' make it so.