Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2535320]You are saying this as if the local GUYS do not monger. Prices only go up for the dumb foreigners that do not know any better and do not know how to source chicks the same way the locals do. For instance, I live in Thailand. You see guys saying how expensive it is to take a chick out of the gogo bar these days. Well I never took a girl out of the gogo bar and I am able to meet the same chicks and give them the same $30 for all night as I have been doing the last 14 years. Whereas others are shelling out well over $100. I know Kazeu and it will affect neither he nor I. We just try to look out for the other man. But people don't realize what they had until they have fucked it off.[/QUOTE]I don't think he's suggesting the locals don't monger, he's saying it's OK when the locals start to do better. It's a market like any other and it's highly prized. Fantastic that you're plugged in and paying low rates, well done. You're calling people "dumb foreigners" because they're willing to pay more? Give me a break. Why should the average tourist care if pensions don't stretch that far? Or more to the point, why would the girls? What other of life's greatest pleasures can you afford for 20-30 a day? It's underpriced and the market will begin to adjust accordingly. You live in SEA, look at what's happened so far, and will continue to happen. They're levelling up, slowly but surely. Good luck to them.

I'm a monger and I'm not incredibly rich, this will also impact me, but let's be realistic and fair lads.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2535320]You are saying this as if the local GUYS do not monger. Prices only go up for the dumb foreigners that do not know any better and do not know how to source chicks the same way the locals do. For instance, I live in Thailand. You see guys saying how expensive it is to take a chick out of the gogo bar these days. Well I never took a girl out of the gogo bar and I am able to meet the same chicks and give them the same $30 for all night as I have been doing the last 14 years. Whereas others are shelling out well over $100. I know Kazeu and it will affect neither he nor I. We just try to look out for the other man. But people don't realize what they had until they have fucked it off.[/QUOTE]Yeah I mean you're always going to pay a premium if you go to a bar and have to have what you see right then and there. If you wait until the girls get off work and meet at the club, you'll get a better deal. If you get their number and schedule a session at a time that's convenient for them like in the day, then again you're saving money. If you've built a rapport with a girl, you might save money or you might just get better service for the same money, which is close enough. But it doesn't matter how strategic you are after a certain point. If enough people are in town willing to pay, the rates go up across the board, even for the locals. Theoretically at least.

[QUOTE=ReignSupreme01;2535218]You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I was merely pointing out, in order to want the girls to keep their prices low so mongers (you and I) can have cheap sex, you must also acknowledge that you're literally hoping they stay in some level of poverty (in some cases wishing to be regulator of the industry and its prices; see colluding posts). It's one thing taking advantage of the situation in parts of the world, quite another to suggest the worlds men collude to keep the girls just poor enough.[/QUOTE]Sigh. You know nothing. Again, you think the market is this incredible efficient machine where supply and demand magically work. Truth is that when someone comes in and pays 10 X the going rate, it hurts not helps the women because it disrupts the market. So if someone comes in and spends $50 for a gallon of gasoline, is that a good thing? No, it creates disruption and when a guy like you does that and looks for information for others on the local scene, you are going to be shut out. Kazeu has the information you seek but you were too busy lecturing him on the market reality and he has turned his back on you.

[QUOTE=ReignSupreme01;2535218]I get it, it sucks when the pussy doesn't think $20 is enough to sleep with a man 40 years her senior. When guys are doubling the rate and killing the game. When internet platforms are providing girls potential income. It sucks, but it literally only sucks for hardcore mongers, and they've had a hell of a ride over the years. The change (albeit slow IMO) is inevitable because for everyone else it's better.[/QUOTE]Wrong answer. You think prices will go up but Kazeu is there every day supporting the locals. Some guy goes in and fucks up the scene, and he leaves and finds another scene and the local market crumbles. You think guys will pay anything for pussy and they will not. They will take their money and play elsewhere. There is always going to be a new scene somewhere in the world.

You do not know this because of how young you are, but the price of a lap dance is the same today as it was in the 1980's, $20. I have seen women and clubs try so hard to get that price higher, and the reason it does not work is simple, $20 is for a woman dancing for 4 minutes. IOW, it is too damned high to begin with. But because the price point is known, I do not put up with shit from anyone trying to get more. So when a club tries jacking up the price or cutting the amount of songs in half, I walk. I have never had a hard time finding a girl willing to do a lap dance for $20. If some guy comes in and pays $100 a song and raises the rate to that level, I and guys like me take off and a club may go out of business because of it and then the woman is going to have NO income. So price discovery is good for all involved. I am not happy overpaying for a service, and I have not met a guy happy doing so either.

As for a woman sleeping with a guy 40 years her senior, all I can say is you are stereotyping women and have no clue how they really are. I have never seen a woman whoring herself out and saying it is okay because she is fucking 30 year old dick and not 70 year old dick. All that comment shows me is you do not understand women at all.

I've been hearing this discussion for years now. The same constant bullshit was on the other board years ago. The fact is, there is not one monger fits all. One mans floor is another mans ceiling. Some travel once a year or less, other many times a year and others live in Colombia for instance. Hello! There is no Monger Union jaja. You can't control what other guys do. Some girls will accept less others think they have gold and if one inexperienced guys pays stupid money they will try to hold out for that. I have seen it more than once where a girl working Vila Mimosa for 50 Reals and later that night she would work help and demand 300 reals.

The best you can do is to build up a private stable of girls that are open minded and fun. I have some that I have been seeing for 5 or 6 years some longer and others a few months. Just use your game, make the girl like you and don't be afraid to walk if she won't negotiate. "Women are like buses, another one comes along every 5 minutes!

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2535209]Obviously the poorest countries don't have the infrastructure to set up a good scene. If we were talking about overall quality of establishments and girls regardless of how much you're willing to spend, then yeah, German FKK clubs would be a top contender. But Everyone knows Europe is an expensive place to monger and if you try to save money you will have extremely mechanical experiences most places. I've had a couple good experiences in Spain for under 100 euros and Germany I had some good value yet still mechanical services, and I've had some great experiences for 100-150 euros. Some girls at FKK clubs will ask for like 400 euros and that's basically GF experience price for an hour or 2. Way too much IMO especially now that I've been to South America. But if I ever become a multi millionaire I'll move to Germany.[/QUOTE]I've read it before of mechanical service in Europe. This confuses me because some of my best sex has been in German FKKs. Yes I have gotten poor service but that is in the small minority similar to Latin American destinations with the exception of the DR where I've gotten a greater percentage of poor service. My favorite mongering destinations are German FKKs. Generally Brazilian garotas give better service but I still prefer to monger in Germany.

[QUOTE=ReignSupreme01;2535350]You're calling people "dumb foreigners" because they're willing to pay more?[/QUOTE]It is not what I am calling people. It is what the chicks that you want to make rich are calling people. What should a person be called when they walk in to McDonald's and volunteer to pay $5 for the same Big Mac everybody else is paying $2 for?

[QUOTE=ReignSupreme01;2535350]Give me a break. Why should the average tourist care if pensions don't stretch that far?

I'm a monger and I'm not incredibly rich, this will also impact me, but let's be realistic and fair lads.[/QUOTE]Were you around Colombia when the exchange rate was 1600 pesos to 1 USD? Were you around Brazil when the exchange rate was 1.59 reais to 1 USD? Were you around Dominican republic when a chick would stay with you all night for $30? I was.

Compare the keeping the girls poor rates you are paying today to the exchange rates of those days and you will see who will be coming out the poor ones. Those exchange rates could very well show up again. That is why you want to think about what things are costing from a local perspective and not from the perspective of back home or what you are able to get with your exhange rate. What is costing you $50 today could cost you $170 tomorrow on exchange rate alone. I think those "pensioners" that you mentioned that have lived this have a better grasp of the issue, treading lightly and not playing the weekend millionaire.

At the end of the day, I speak French, Portuguese, Spanish, and Thai and know my way around all these countries. I mostly only deal with normal chicks that are not hookers anyway, so it is not going to affect me. I am just trying to look out for the next monger.

[QUOTE=ReignSupreme01;2535218]You wouldn't. I wouldn't. I was merely pointing out, in order to want the girls to keep their prices low so mongers (you and I) can have cheap sex, you must also acknowledge that you're literally hoping they stay in some level of poverty (in some cases wishing to be regulator of the industry and its prices; see colluding posts). It's one thing taking advantage of the situation in parts of the world, quite another to suggest the worlds men collude to keep the girls just poor enough.[/QUOTE]I think you missed a point, he did not say don't give them more money, just don't associate the money with selling sex.

[QUOTE=ReignSupreme01;2535255]Is anyone on the ground in Colombia? How are things looking in terms of ongoing lockdowns / quarantine? There's not a huge amount in the media. I've heard they've had a significant drop in cases for no apparent reason (like India and a few others). And of course the vaccine (albeit slow). What is the mood? And when do you guys guess we'll be back in the sky not facing a lockdown or quarantine at the other end?[/QUOTE]You know that you just pissed off probably the only person on the ground who is posting regularly for no other reason than to give back, right?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2535570]Were you around Colombia when the exchange rate was 1600 pesos to 1 USD? Were you around Brazil when the exchange rate was 1.59 reais to 1 USD? Were you around Dominican republic when a chick would stay with you all night for $30? I was.

Compare the keeping the girls poor rates you are paying today to the exchange rates of those days and you will see who will be coming out the poor ones. Those exchange rates could very well show up again. That is why you want to think about what things are costing from a local perspective and not from the perspective of back home or what you are able to get with your exhange rate. What is costing you $50 today could cost you $170 tomorrow on exchange rate alone. I think those "pensioners" that you mentioned that have lived this have a better grasp of the issue, treading lightly and not playing the weekend millionaire.[/QUOTE]Ain't that the truth? And mongers will go wherever their money goes the most.

A funny thing about Brazil. I was really interested in getting an account there in 2004 because they were paying 20% interest on a damned checking account and the dollar IMO was overvalued. The bureaucracy in opening an account was unreal and I could not do it. Three years later, and I figured out how but it was too late. That is around when the Real had gone from 2.5 per dollar to the 1.6 rate you spoke of.

I kept track of how crazy the Real got by tracking my hotel room. I stayed at the Intercontinental Hotel in the Paulista financial area. I paid $125 in 2004 per night. Then the hotel went to $300 and even $400. It was more expensive than the same IC hotel in NYC. That was when I knew the bubble was going to hit. Hell, a decent house in Asuncion Paraguay were going for $250,000 back then and the people in Paraguay were making $4000 a year on average.

Of course, the bubble burst then and the Great Recession followed. But I looked up how much the IC hotel was today and it is $100 a night.

Covid has done a number in Brazil, and I have gotten my vaccine, and my plan is to head there in April. I have already been on SA and am loading up on phone numbers. It is not as good as Bogota so far but I still have time.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2535566]I've read it before of mechanical service in Europe. This confuses me because some of my best sex has been in German FKKs...[/QUOTE]It has been my experience as well. I have rarely established a connection with an FKK girl, but the sex has always been outstanding. After 15+ years of visiting the FKK, I still find the girls very sexy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2535570]It is not what I am calling people. It is what the chicks that you want to make rich are calling people. What should a person be called when they walk in to McDonald's and volunteer to pay $5 for the same Big Mac everybody else is paying $2 for?

Were you around Colombia when the exchange rate was 1600 pesos to 1 USD? Were you around Brazil when the exchange rate was 1.59 reais to 1 USD? Were you around Dominican republic when a chick would stay with you all night for $30? I was.

Compare the keeping the girls poor rates you are paying today to the exchange rates of those days and you will see who will be coming out the poor ones. Those exchange rates could very well show up again. That is why you want to think about what things are costing from a local perspective and not from the perspective of back home or what you are able to get with your exhange rate. What is costing you $50 today could cost you $170 tomorrow on exchange rate alone. I think those "pensioners" that you mentioned that have lived this have a better grasp of the issue, treading lightly and not playing the weekend millionaire.

At the end of the day, I speak French, Portuguese, Spanish, and Thai and know my way around all these countries. I mostly only deal with normal chicks that are not hookers anyway, so it is not going to affect me. I am just trying to look out for the next monger.[/QUOTE]It is what you called people but I didn't realize you talking on behalf of some girls, my mistake. Sex with beautiful women is probably one of the most desirable things on the planet and you're comparing it to the price of a Big Mac? A better analogy would be cocaine in the west; addictive, desirable.

I don't think I was around for those rates, roughly when was this? As I put in a previous post, I'm very jealous of the guys (like yourself) who lived some of those earlier experiences. That's the history I like to learn about, haha. The point you're making is, based on the historic exchange rate they are getting a much better deal now? In terms of what they can afford at a local level? I want to clarify that before I reply.

Great you can speak so many languages. I have a little Spanish but really need to knuckle down. I aspire to be multi lingual one day, maybe not quite to your level.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2535661]I think you missed a point, he did not say don't give them more money, just don't associate the money with selling sex.

You know that you just pissed off probably the only person on the ground who is posting regularly for no other reason than to give back, right?[/QUOTE]I think he might have missed my point initially? I don't overpay, like him. As I said I was referring to the inevitable rise and my dislike for the collusion conversation. Which is what I reiterated in my reply.

Sounds like a good bloke. I've probably read many of his posts, maybe benefited from some. I thank him for sharing. This notion I've pissed off a grown man debating price / collusion? I imagine the guy in question has thicker skin than to let anything I've said ruin his day to that extent. I can't see one thing I've said that isn't reasonable or wouldn't be shared by a good proportion of civilized society?

I commented on a post which essentially said (I paraphrase); it would be great if we could collude to fix pricing but there are too many men outside the monger club who wouldn't play ball, therefore it wouldn't work, sigh.

I just said even if you could get every man in the world to collude, governments should shut that down in a heartbeat because it's abhorrent. It's only purpose would be to keep people at the right level of poverty to suit your pocket. I'm not pro paying more, I'm anti large scale online collusion and such behavior. Sure, find out the market and be a bit frugal if you want.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2535685]It has been my experience as well. I have rarely established a connection with an FKK girl, but the sex has always been outstanding. After 15+ years of visiting the FKK, I still find the girls very sexy.[/QUOTE]It's hit and miss in Europe regarding mechanical service. It generally feels more transactional to me. I get the impression it weighs on the girls souls a bit more in the west. Maybe because of social differences and stigmas. I think a lot more guys are going down the sugar daddy route more often. Girls get the benefit of perceiving they're not a hooker but instead in an arrangement with an older guy. Either way it's expensive in EU and the latter is a lot more effort than your standard p4P.

Yeah I can't figure it out. I live by AAWP. (avoid abbreviations whenever possible).

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2535685]It has been my experience as well. I have rarely established a connection with an FKK girl, but the sex has always been outstanding. After 15+ years of visiting the FKK, I still find the girls very sexy.[/QUOTE]It seems as though we have been going to FKKs for approximately the same period. I take it you are not interested in establishing a connection since that will take time which you would rather spend banging other FKK girls. When I first started going to FKKs I got invitation by girls to go on 'dates'. Once a Hungarian girl took me on a tour of the state of Hesse in her car.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2535909]It seems as though we have been going to FKKs for approximately the same period. I take it you are not interested in establishing a connection since that will take time which you would rather spend banging other FKK girls. When I first started going to FKKs I got invitation by girls to go on 'dates'. Once a Hungarian girl took me on a tour of the state of Hesse in her car.[/QUOTE]It's rare for the average guy to take the time but it does happen as you point out. I once met an Irish hooker (at a party my obscenely rich boss threw, girls on tap). We got on like a house on fire and are still in touch. Since she's worked in Europe, US, the Middle East. I visited her at her swanky apartment in Dubai (as well as Europe a few times) , she showed me around, we fucked, I left when my 4 days were up. No charge, just catching up as friends. I should probably note she was 21 ish, I was 30 when we met, the Dubai thing was a few years later so we had a fair amount in common. Sure it could and would have developed but who wants an ex hooker as a wife!