Manila

[QUOTE=Questor55;1320751]I just don't get it MH. Why ask the price if you already done your research and know the going rate? If you are hoping to get a bargain price then better to simply state YOUR price. Ie,"I can pay x pesos for.". Jerk the girls around and that's why sometimes we come across as jerks![/QUOTE]It wasn't MrHombre who wrote that, it was me.

I wasn't jerking the girls around. All mongers have their own modus operandi when they deal with the girls. Personally I do not like to make it too much like a business deal. In the past I've tried the blunt '1500 pesos, take it or leave it' approach and although they often 'take it', sometimes I get a starfish for the night. My approach is to make it as natural and friendly as possible and let the girl believe they are calling the shots. I believe this way I am more likely to get the 'girlfriend experience' I crave.

atJP Slicky: Just as well I didn't get a taxi to Cafe Havana! Thank you for your compliment. If you wish to continue reading I'll now be posting for four days on the Cebu forum.

[quote=MrHombre]"Her name was Eloisa, she was 25 and she had an Indian look with brown skin and long, silky hair. Despite her bright pink lipstick, she had a shy manner and covered her mouth whenever she laughed, hiding her lovely smile. She was pretty and the time was only 8pm, so I figured that I could take her for short-time (2 hours) and then fuck another girl later. My target for this trip was 20 girls and I needed to get off to a good start.

I asked her how much she would charge for short-time. I had done my research so when she said 2500 pesos, I knew it was too much. I don't blame her for trying, she's just trying to make as much money as possible. 'I know the price' I said with a smile and she immediately lowered her price to 1500. We have a deal."

But even the sweet ones catch on to pricing, LOL. Nice find, nice start.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Questor55;1320751]I just don't get it MH. Why ask the price if you already done your research and know the going rate? If you are hoping to get a bargain price then better to simply state YOUR price. Ie,"I can pay x pesos for.". Jerk the girls around and that's why sometimes we come across as jerks![/QUOTE]I don't know MH but would not conclude he was jerking her if he did business with her (I was more puzzled by the quotation marks).

It's quite reasonbable IMHO to begin haggling by getting the girl to state a price first. If you open by stating a price she will often try to bargain up. It can all be done with a smile as a bit of fun.

Following extract is an excellent old report by Devils 1. I tried to put a link in Makatia thread but for some reason (probably my lack of knowhow) it is pointing to somewhere else. So I cam copying the report as such. This was posted in June 2008. Could any one confirm if this is still valid after 04 years.

Another question: Are all hotes here guest friendly? I am planning to book a hotel close to Green Belt to cut down commuting time.

Thanks.

Report from Devils 1.

Here is my take on the Makati scene. I have been to the Fils 4 times in the last 9 months. Mainly because I can't believe how much hot pussy is available at a reasonable price.

There are many places to go within a 20 minute drive of Makati:

EDSA entertainment complex, this is a large building with 8-12 different clubs in it. The women all wear bikinis / bra & panties and dance on a stage for your review. There is every size, shape and range of woman a man could want here. Typical barfine is 12-1400 pesos. The woman will ask for a tip at the end of the evening. It is common to tip based on performance. In my opinion this is the best value in the Manila area. 15-20 minute drive from Makati.

Roxas Blvd, this is a street with 10-12 different clubs. The concensus seems to be the best (and most expensive) is East Asia entertainment. Most of these clubs tend to cater to Asian clients. For further info when speaking of Asian mongers, think people who overpay, overindulge and don't expect much of a performance from the girl. Barfines here start at 3500 pesos and go up depending on how gullible the mamasan thinks you are. Of course the girl will expect a tip after the deed. In my opinion this is the worst place to go in Manila. Beware cab drivers will try very hard to bring you here rather than EDSA as they are very close to each other. 15-20 minute drive from Makati.

Burgos Street, this is a street in Makati with 15-20 different clubs on it. Each club has its own theme and quality of girl. The clubs generally are very good and friendly. There are two different groups that own all of the clubs on Burgos St. One group owns 80% of the clubs and there barfines are 3500 pesos. The other group owns only 4 clubs and there barfines are 22-2400 pesos. The best of these clubs is Flamingo. Once again you can find every variety of woman on this street that your heart desires. Of course you will be asked for a tip in addition to the barfine. In my opinion Burgos is a street that everyone should visit once. Go early around 8-9 pm and hit several of the clubs and make an evening of it. My personal favorite is to go to the Billboard club and watch the women do their dance routine. It is truly fabulous almost on par with a Vegas show, with the added element that alot of the women are there for the taking. In my opinion some of the most beautiful women work in this club. Of course they will expect to be tipped very well. The bad news is these women get paid pretty well just to dance and aren't that motivated to get barfined, translation they are probably lousy in bed. 3 minute drive within Makati.

Havana Café is a bar located in the Greenbelt mall of Makati. This is strictly a free lancer bar. There are no barfines and no mamasans to do the leg work for you. On any given night it is a paradise or a desert. The bar is very good with a live band that plays good salsa music. The bar serves good food and reasonably priced drinks. Many of the women will come on to you and give you the 'nod' that they are interested in you. If you see someone you are attracted to you will have to walk up and 'open' with them. If they are interested they will usually invite you to join them within 3 minutes. It is understood that once you join them you are buying until you either leave with them or move to a different location in the bar without them. On rare occasions non-working girls do stop into this club because they like the music. So if you have been with a girl for 15-30 mins and she has not rubbed your hand or your leg and told you how handsome you are than you definitely have to find a tactful way to bring up the subject of her spending the night with you. Typical tips range from 15-3000 pesos. 3 min cab ride from anywhere in Makati.

L. A. Café is another freelancer club. It is located in Malate / Ermita area which is a 20 min drive from Makati depending on the time of day. This is one of the most popular and crowded pick up places in Manila. It is open 24 hours a day and is always happening. I went there a couple of weeks ago at 9 am and there was easily 100 women in there. The best time for the most quality women is in the evening between 8 pm and midnight. During peak time there is easily 300 women there. In the evening they have a very good live band upstairs which draws a huge crowd. There are a lot of mongers there playing pool and it is easy to find a wing man to 'run your game with. ' In my opinion I hate this place because that part of town is dirty and full of beggars and thieves. On several occasions I have run across scammer chicks who think they are too hot to have sex and still expect to be paid! But most people who go there rave about the place and for good reason there are tons of beautiful young women there 24 hours a day. These women can be had for as cheap as 1000 pesos. Please ask the advice of others as I am not the best source of info on this club.

Take away drive up joints. These are generally non-noticeable houses that you could never tell exist. The only way to find them is ask a taxi driver to take you there. Makati is littered with them. When you find a taxi driver with info on one of these he will bring you to a nondescript entrance, you go into a large room with several women sitting around in their underwear. Sometimes there are as many as 40-50 women in these places. They will simply stand there and smile at you. You make your pick and off you go to your hotel. I have seen truly beautiful young women here as well as fat, ugly old ladies. It is a crap shoot. The prices will vary anywhere from 1000-3500 pesos.

Some rules to keep in mind with all of these places. Always chose a girl you have a real deep connection with. Lets face it you can only bang for so long. So in between pops it is nice to have some good company and be pampered a little bit. If you feel the girl is only going with you for the money, dump her and find the girl who convinces you she is truly in love with you. The whole point of going to the 'PI' is to get a girl you could never get back home and be treated the way you could never be treated by a white woman. A good rule of thumb when you start out is to find a girl you think you could never get and watch how soon she is hanging all over you. That's when you know you found the right girl. Always discuss everything up front. If you want her to stay all night, specify a time in the morning you want her to leave. Ask what her expectations ($$) are for this amount of time. If you want something more than a BJ and lay you had better discuss this upfront. If you are going to take 2 girls make sure they know if you want them to eat each other or both have sex with you rather than just one. Etc.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1321152]It wasn't MrHombre who wrote that, it was me.

I wasn't jerking the girls around. All mongers have their own modus operandi when they deal with the girls. Personally I do not like to make it too much like a business deal. In the past I've tried the blunt '1500 pesos, take it or leave it' approach and although they often 'take it', sometimes I get a starfish for the night. My approach is to make it as natural and friendly as possible and let the girl believe they are calling the shots. I believe this way I am more likely to get the 'girlfriend experience' I crave.

AtJP Slicky: Just as well I didn't get a taxi to Cafe Havana! Thank you for your compliment. If you wish to continue reading I'll now be posting for four days on the Cebu forum.[/QUOTE]All I did was compliment you on your taste in sweet young things.

[QUOTE=MrHombre;1320791]In Manila last month, walking north from Executive Suites on A. Mabini, a well dressed middle aged guy caught up with me and said he was also staying at my hotel. His English was good, he was appropriately chatty. He asked where I was going (looking for an internet cafe, mine didn't open until 8 am). He said sure, just a way down the block here. When we got close, he mentioned that it was his daughter's birthday and he didn't have money for a cake. I gave him sympathy and got the fuck away from him. Street hustle, well played.[/QUOTE]Well, you got off nicely.

I once made the mistake of wearing A Singapore T Shirt, and in Robinsons, a guy starts off "hey mate, we met in Singapore Remember?" and I went "where in Singapore?"

He went "down orchard Road, Lucky Plaza." and that was pretty convincing.

And my safety mode kicked in and I went "no, sorry, I never been to Singapore, in fact, this T Shirt is a gift from my wife's cousin." And he was persisting. Till I went,"you know what, I am just here with my boss, and he is going to get pretty mad if I spend any of his money."

Well, some of the scammers are well informed, I suspect some of them were former sailors, who have given up there job, or been revoked their sailing license.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1320480]2 of the ladies I fucked in Manila must have obtained my phone number. This is what have showed up in my inbox so far from the Philippino side of the world:

"Skogis how are you? This is Jenny, I don't have work I resign becos family problem, please help me!"

I answered through sms:

"Good luck. Help I need money my mother is sick. Can you help me I have accident, buffalo sick and so on. Shame on you I know all this shit"

Her reply:

"Ok don't believe me? U said U help me, but it is true I don't have work anymore they terminate me bcos of you. They know what happened between us you know, now you not help me to have money to find work, if I have job then I don't need your money. U lier!"[/QUOTE]You See Skogis: you miss the point, Pinays are not going to admit they got caught lying, or. They going are NOT going to understand Sarcasm. Give up.

[QUOTE=Amanut;1320785]I had the same thing happen to me on my first trip to Manila. In my case he had obviously been following me for awhile. I was staying at the Dusit and he approached me between shopping centers near the hotel. He told me he worked in security at the Dusit and wanted to show me some places in the mall. I foolishly followed him around the mall for a bit until we got to the grocery floor where he wanted me to buy him some Ensure for his sick father. A small can wasn't enough. He wanted the biggest one they had. At that point I ditched him, but when he left I just thought he was a greedy security guard. It wasn't until later that I was being set up for something potentially more sinister. You have to hand it to some of these guys, they have the patter down.[/QUOTE]Well, a lot of sympathy stories.

I had case like "my daughter's first birthday" or "my wife has never celebrated her birthday."

Somewhere. No offence. The church is brain washing the natives to use the heart-wrenching story lines I guess.

It is normal, for Rich pinoys to 'give away' money to poor. The understanding is, it is ok to ask foreigners, even strangers. Even if there is no transaction between the two.

And any notion of 'go away' either turns to fight or flight. For former, it can degrade to down right death threats.

Play safe, leave the natives to sort out their own shit

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1320714]Day 3, Monday: Manila.

Philippines isn't noted for massage parlours but Air Force 1 and Starfleet, near the airport, get good reviews online (although for 4000+ pesos they should be good!)

When I was tight with one woman in the Phils, I had little opportunity to hobby, but was taken to Starfleet by a friendly cabby. I've been there three or four times, but the first was best. The place is on the third floor with an entry there. Best to ask your cabby to drop you off up there, so you don't have to wait for a screener to allow you in at the elevator entrance on the first floor. There are several levels of service available at various prices. I was well dressed for first class plane travel so it was assumed I wanted their top drawer treatment. Uh, yup, expensive but great. 2K pesos for the room. 2k pesos to the lady as tip. For that I got a good personal scrubbing followed by a nuru session on the air mattress in the same area as the shower. Convenient to clean off before the next part of the menu. The nuru was excellent. Body slide up one side, down the other, upside down, backwards, flip flop with two somersaults and a half gainer. After cleanup, on to the front area with bed and a whole lot of mirrors. Good service, blew a very fine appreciative wad. Expensive, yes, but was perfect for someone that had no time for MBC, nor the knowledge. I flew home very happy. Oh, you have a fishbowl to choose from at the start. I chose the one that looked the most inexperienced, not wanting a commercial event. It worked out well.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1321333]It is normal, for Rich pinoys to 'give away' money to poor.[/QUOTE]Rubbish, completely the opposite.

OK, I'm American. I don't understand sarcasm, even though cunnting stunt is giving me lessons.

[QUOTE=MrHombre;1321042]I was being sarcastic. It was a well done hustle, he had me sucked in until he asked for money. That's when the ridiculous truth dawned on me and I just cut him off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1321333]Well, a lot of sympathy stories.

I had case like "my daughter's first birthday" or "my wife has never celebrated her birthday."

Somewhere. No offence. The church is brain washing the natives to use the heart-wrenching story lines I guess.

It is normal, for Rich pinoys to 'give away' money to poor. The understanding is, it is ok to ask foreigners, even strangers. Even if there is no transaction between the two.

And any notion of 'go away' either turns to fight or flight. For former, it can degrade to down right death threats.[/QUOTE]In one of forums, which transcands the story (Manila? Makati? Living in Philippines) I posted a fuller version of the fact I was once accosted by a very friendly chatty guy in Glorietta who smiled and told me he was the limo driver who picked me up in the airport took me to my hotel.

Well I knew it was an attempted scam as I had taken a taxi but more importantly, I had gone to my own condo.

I carried on talking to him till we got to the Glorietta exit where the security staff were and shouted for help. They stopped the guy.

I told them the story and they took him away. Either they gave him a good beating or they got some good scamming tips from him. Who knows. I'm not a Glorietta regular.

But yeah, when a guy you don't know talks to you in a friendly way, walk the other way.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1321362]Rubbish, completely the opposite.[/QUOTE]You haven't met enough filipinos I guess.

The rich give, but not a lot. But the fact they give makes a lot of low earners think it is normal.

Now, take most of the senators in the congress: most of them have some or other criminal case. And then why do they get voted in?

It is about the senators giving some money, when a grandpa passes away, a few hundred peso 'donation' and the fact the church has been preaching that it is ok to ask from rich people (heck, even Manny Pacquio is not left alone.even though he made his money, the church has been imploring him to share more of his wealth.)

Or the rich people of the town throwing in a couple of thousand peso for somebody's 80th birthday. When the rich person could actually have thrown in a couple of million peso and not fret about.

And that conditions a lot to make it normal to ask money. In Philippines.

Now tell me, how does GMA, Bongbong, Estrada, Imelda and the whole gang are in senate? Despite the majority being disgusted with their stealing, they do vote them in, since, they are "Generous".

[quote=econo tech;1321851]now tell me, how does gma, bongbong, estrada, imelda and the whole gang are in senate? despite the majority being disgusted with their stealing, they do vote them in, since, they are "generous".[/quote]add to that senator gen hosnan who was convicted (i think) of an attempted coup against corazon aquino and is now in the press stating he is disgusted (as a senator) that the bureau of immigration allowed 2 wanted murder felons (the brothers from palawan) to leave for vietnam at the end of march (on cebu pacific) despite their being a country wide search for them and a 2 million pesos bounty. and everyone knows who they!

hosna apparently also disappeared during his time and the media sugested he would know how to stay hidden lol.

so money corrupts everyone. et is correct, those that have raped the country are still in charge and still [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] it but slightly less overtly than before.

the press in cebu recently reported about a commision of audit (coa) report on the cebu local government regarding 'unliquidated' cash advances (ie not repaid). totals 118 million pesos! dates back to 2000 and some of this taken as cash advance by those at the very top, the ex mayor, current reps in the senate and the senior local government cronies etc. the ordinary pinoy has no chance but still votes for them as those in power are able to abuse the system to give a few hundered pesos to the ordinary poor folk at election time (example being gov gwen garcia and her 15000 pesos bonus to all staff in local government. first time since 2009. as elections soon, but deemed illegal by the coa i think)

power corrupts, absolute power corruprs absolutely (as i said to red kilt recently)

[quote=wicked roger; 1321901]add to that senator gen hosnan who was convicted (i think) of an attempted coup against corazon aquino and is now in the press stating he is disgusted (as a senator) that the bureau of immigration allowed 2 wanted murder felons (the brothers from palawan) to leave for vietnam at the end of march (on cebu pacific) despite their being a country wide search for them and a 2 million pesos bounty. and everyone knows who they!

hosna apparently also disappeared during his time and the media sugested he would know how to stay hidden lol.

so money corrupts everyone. et is correct, those that have raped the country are still in charge and still [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] it but slightly less overtly than before.

the press in cebu recently reported about a commision of audit (coa) report on the cebu local government regarding 'unliquidated' cash advances (ie not repaid). totals 118 million pesos! dates back to 2000 and some of this taken as cash advance by those at the very top, the ex mayor, current reps in the senate and the senior local government cronies etc. the ordinary pinoy has no chance but still votes for them as those in power are able to abuse the system to give a few hundered pesos to the ordinary poor folk at election time (example being gov gwen garcia and her 15000 pesos bonus to all staff in local government. first time since 2009. as elections soon, but deemed illegal by the coa i think)

power corrupts, absolute power corruprs absolutely (as i said to red kilt recently) [/quote]i would antonio trillanes and danilo lim. both lead mutinies against the govt, and even though gma wasn't so loved like cory, just like the anti-cory mutineers, were voted in, thanks to their 'generosity'. and ping lacson. who too disappeared when he had a arrest warrant and when the warrant was squashed on technicality (never mind, the dacer case is still on. though nobody knows if ping will ever face the law.) and wait, ping was assisted by the most trusted man. who died recently. dilg sec. robredo.

and of course, vp binay, who has plunder cases against him, during his time as mayor, but, well, that doesn't stop the people of makati. the so-called educated clan, voting him in as vp, and possibly the next prez.

and to keep the yarn spinning, the vizconde murder. none of the culprits, despite being proof posiitively identified, never had to face the music, not even for their evoporating into thin air and appearing in us of a when the case was hot.

oh, what about palparan, who is most wanted (for his murder of a dozen or so activists) and most loved. for his anti-npa success. and was too voted in as senator due to his 'generosity'

and well, the ramon revilla case, which is another soap opera or telenovela.

and. vicente sotto, who is the most loved senator, despite his past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case. unresolved till date.

yah, i know filipinos are very forgiving, but then again, most of the above were voted into power due to their 'generorsity'. damn their criminal records.

oh, btw, on the other hand, there are a lot of militant groups, in phil, and i wonder who sponsors them to be full time activists. like the activists who managed to trace the departure of the palawan governer, and also the group that fabricated evidence against the aussie mining company and left pnoy with a red face after getting caught believing the fabricated stuff, and also the groups that sent fake evidence during the cj's case.

now, if only the super intelligent activists did spend their time doing other things productive, like evicting criminal law-makers.

ps: sxxxx if you know or heard of none of the name me and wr quoted, well, truly, you haven't seen enough of philippines!

[quote=wicked roger; 1321901]add to that senator gen hosnan who was convicted (i think) of an attempted coup against corazon aquino and is now in the press stating he is disgusted (as a senator) that the bureau of immigration allowed 2 wanted murder felons (the brothers from palawan) to leave for vietnam at the end of march (on cebu pacific) despite their being a country wide search for them and a 2 million pesos bounty. and everyone knows who they!

hosna apparently also disappeared during his time and the media sugested he would know how to stay hidden lol.

so money corrupts everyone. et is correct, those that have raped the country are still in charge and still [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] it but slightly less overtly than before.

the press in cebu recently reported about a commision of audit (coa) report on the cebu local government regarding 'unliquidated' cash advances (ie not repaid). totals 118 million pesos! dates back to 2000 and some of this taken as cash advance by those at the very top, the ex mayor, current reps in the senate and the senior local government cronies etc. the ordinary pinoy has no chance but still votes for them as those in power are able to abuse the system to give a few hundered pesos to the ordinary poor folk at election time (example being gov gwen garcia and her 15000 pesos bonus to all staff in local government. first time since 2009. as elections soon, but deemed illegal by the coa i think)

power corrupts, absolute power corruprs absolutely (as i said to red kilt recently) [/quote]i've done some business in the phils. if a cash advance is not 'liquidated, ' that means that there is no paper work filed to explain what the advance was for, what it paid for, no invoice, no nothing. it's an accounting term in the phils.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1321851]You haven't met enough filipinos I guess.

The rich give, but not a lot. But the fact they give makes a lot of low earners think it is normal.

Now, take most of the senators in the congress: most of them have some or other criminal case. And then why do they get voted in?

It is about the senators giving some money, when a grandpa passes away, a few hundred peso 'donation' and the fact the church has been preaching that it is ok to ask from rich people (heck, even Manny Pacquio is not left alone. Even though he made his money, the church has been imploring him to share more of his wealth.)

Or the rich people of the town throwing in a couple of thousand peso for somebody's 80th birthday. When the rich person could actually have thrown in a couple of million peso and not fret about.

And that conditions a lot to make it normal to ask money. In Philippines.

Now tell me, how does GMA, Bongbong, Estrada, Imelda and the whole gang are in senate? Despite the majority being disgusted with their stealing, they do vote them in, since, they are "Generous".[/QUOTE]Your mixing, giving with bribing. Two distinct different acts. Rich exploit the poor, full stop.

[quote=econo tech; 1321937]and well, the ramon revilla case, which is another soap opera or telenovela.

and. vicente sotto, who is the most loved senator, despite his past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case. unresolved till date.

like the activists who managed to trace the departure of the palawan governer, and also the group that fabricated evidence against the aussie mining company and left pnoy with a red face after getting caught believing the fabricated stuff, and also the groups that sent fake evidence during the cj's case.[/quote]et.

there are so many and each time i read the papers here there is yet another case of corruption being exposed (at all levels). revilla is an interesting one in that again one of the suspects (sister) left the country one way ticket to go to her husband and when asked the bi guys said "there was no order for her to be detained" even though everyone knew she was wanted (as was in the press and the news lol)

the reyes brothers (palawan) is intersting as the toothless tiger (pnoy) had recently announced an increase in the bounty / reward for the brothers who apparently left on 31 march lol. the pnp am sure new as did bi but the 'investigation' will just target the underlings.

sotto. well he has been lambasted from overseas nd the local for his plaigarism with regard his rh diatribe in the senate. he refuses to apologise or acknowledge he did wrong, and his arrogance is outstanding on the issue. and he appears on the tv as if a saint but then he will give cash away when the time comes

given past history the reyes brothers wil be back and running for president soon lol.

sxxx. so many reasons why fdi in the philippines will never be taken seriosuly imho (along with many other reasons) and why the government has to rely on us cash and allows the us ngos to close bars etc while those in thailand, malaysia etc are never targeted. pnoy desperately needs huge chunks of money to try and kick start a failing economy (depite press report it grew 5. 9%. tell that the locals who remain poor and uneducated!)