Kyiv

If you speak Russian and you live in Kiev or spend alot of time there you have time to meet / chase girls and develop a relationship.

Strip clubs like Rio are great for older guys, who don't speak Russian, who travel to Kiev for a short time and don't have time and don't really care about having a relationship so for those guys like me Joeys posts help alot

this forum is called international sex guide, so if you want to meet girls the normal way then its not for you, stop fighting with posters

This is a fairly new hotel that opened last week in Kiev.

[url]http://www.fairmont.com/kyiv/?cmpid=.OVKEY=fairmont[/url]

Has anyone managed to stay here for mongering purposes?

I know it's expensive, just wanted to have a change from the usual apartment experience

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1259112]LJ & UB, I don't think your personal attacks on one another are helping me find girls.[/QUOTE].

Its back 2 the times, when it was HunterDave V UB& Bez Bezarra, remember.

It might not find you girls, but makes you read between the lines, some of it makes you really wonder?

In fact, I can see here both sides of the Input, Rant, whatever.

I said I usually go to Rio every night when in town&enjoy the dances, atmosphere, but I never took out any girl from there, not at US$300, when I only go for short sessions anyway.

And paying US$3oo in one go, defeats the whole object of me going to Kiev (Mongering) in the first place.

Off topic here, Hydro park in the Summer is a great place, if you have a Russian speaking wingman, or better still go with a nice looking BI girl & let her do the hunting 4 both of you.

Stay home.

You can buy top quality girls for $300 any where in the world.

Even when I used to hang out at Rio to the point where the managers and doormen used to greet me by name, it was part of a well balanced diet of pro's, night club semi pro's and dating. Hadn't started using mamba at that point (RP was still afloat).

[QUOTE=Muddy7;1259137]If you speak Russian and you live in Kiev[/QUOTE]

All the western hotels don't mind you taking WG's back to test out their beds.

However I don't know of one that (knowingly) allows them to troll on the premise.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1259140]This is a fairly new hotel that opened last week in Kiev.

[url]http://www.fairmont.com/kyiv/?cmpid=.OVKEY=fairmont[/url]

Has anyone managed to stay here for mongering purposes?

I know it's expensive, just wanted to have a change from the usual apartment experience[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1259112]LJ & UB, I don't think your personal attacks on one another are helping me find girls.[/QUOTE].

Its back 2 the times, when it was HunterDave V UB& Bez Bezarra, remember.

It might not find you girls, but makes you read between the lines, some of it makes you really wonder?

In fact, I can see here both sides of the Input, Rant, whatever.

I said I usually go to Rio every night when in town&enjoy the dances, atmosphere, but I never took out any girl from there, not at US$300, when I only go for short sessions anyway.

And paying US$3oo in one go, defeats the whole object of me going to Kiev (Mongering) in the first place.

Off topic here, Hydro park in the Summer is a great place, if you have a Russian speaking wingman, or better still go with a nice looking BI girl & let her do the hunting 4 both of you.

Looking 4 girls in shopping malls, etc, I usually head to Perfumery&Cosmetics sections, there you find the best looking girls with more chance of girls speaking English, if they sell International brands. Again taking a girls with benefits 4 you, helps in this case as well.

Assuming here, one is staying in Kiev for at least a week.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1259144]Stay home.

You can buy top quality girls for $300 any where in the world.

Even when I used to hang out at Rio to the point where the managers and doormen used to greet me by name, it was part of a well balanced diet of pro's, night club semi pro's and dating. Hadn't started using mamba at that point (RP was still afloat).[/QUOTE]US$300 gets me 3 girls on Half hour sessions or one hour with one girl&1/2hour with another, and still get back some US$$ in change.

Here is Tilly & Sally.

[url]http://www.annabellasescorts.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=257[/url]

So much better here, than time spent in Watertown, MASS.

Wow, so many letters and word in this thread every day. Since I am one of those adventurers who could easily see myself avoiding Rio simply because it gets so much attention here, I have a question that maybe some old timer can answer? Once I was in Kiev and took a taxi out in an area of high rises to go to some sort of techno party. Floor one was packed with teens with their heads in a speaker. Floor two was covered with pool tables and there was also a bar. Up a rather narrow staircase to a small third floor there was a strip club with several females pointing their nipples at me. A couple where hot and would have looked great on Barba's t-rex. I did not have any ambition or possibility to barfine (or whatever it is called in this part of the world) any of the girls, but would not mind going back when I visit in April if I have a wing man and know the name. I like adventures more than the hard core scene, at least if I have more than a couple of evenings, so any advice is much appreciated.

Barba

[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1259116]Joey, you are nothing but a completely thin-skinned dolt who when his self-proclaimed "authority" is questioned goes into an incomprehensible and personal rant.

Of course, you did not read what I wrote. Maybe it is because you cannot bear to read what others write but want to have everyone praise and faun and kiss your ass over what you write.

I wrote that I could not stomach your ridiculous ratings system, not about anything else. I even said that most of the girls in clubs are attractive. You really don't like people to disagree with you at all. You seem to want to be the arbiter of all things Kiev and especially that of Rio.

Now it becomes more and more of a likelihood that you use your posts to receive payments in kind from the management of Rio. Maybe that is why you seem to succeed more than others. Your steer the innocents to Rio so that they can pay the entrance fee, pay for lots of drinks and private dances, all hopefully without any subsequent take-out. Clubs can make a lot more money that way than losing a top girl for 4 or 5 hours.

When these guys then write that they cannot take anyone home, you tell them that they did not follow Liljoey's Rio Commandments exactly as set down to the peasants by his highness. In your world, everyone else is wrong and only you are right.

Let the monger beware.[/QUOTE]Now you're being just plain silly. Do you really hold by the ridiculous conspiracy theory you just wrote in your last post? Your shrill tone does not bespeak any objectivity.

My reason for trying to expose the baselessness of your opinion about my reports is because I regard the info I have written to be a valuable resource to the members of the forum and I have taken pains to make it the most accurate information I could obtain by personal observation and experience. I have also always incorporated into my ongoing reports the opinions and insights of others who made good points, and served as a basis to correct something I had written previously. This is because I wanted there to be a reliable resource with accurate information available here. I am ready and have always been ready to defer to a fact or correct insight.

But you had no facts, just your arbitrary feeling that Cruiser Dave knows better than me what a pretty girl looks like. And that's ridiculous. You don't know me and you have not been to the club to be in a position to judge my opinions.

Therefore I felt you must be rebutted when you cast doubt on facts that I know to be true, not because I am thin skinned, which I am not, or a dolt, which I don't think I am, but because I want to preserve the truth for the benefit of the newbies and those readers trying to learn the ins and outs of mongering in Kiev. There are no commandments, just stuff I have discovered that worked for me, so I passed it on to others. There are mistakes one can make that I have learned the hard way can decrease one's success at a place like Rio, so I pass it on.

You want to invent another approach to snag hotties at Rio, be my guest, test it out and if you report it in good faith, I will try your recommendations too. It's the pussy that we can get that should be the goal of these reports, not tearing each other down. I'm sure you agree with at least that.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1259144]Stay home.

You can buy top quality girls for $300 any where in the world.[/QUOTE]LOL.

Okay.

I get the feeling you are in love with one of the dancers at Rio buddy and don't want us to go there.

Has anyone been to Paradise club on Schevchenko lately?

Can you still take dancers home?

Given the fact that from my POV your posts about Rio lead me to wonder just why the extremely heavy emphasis on the club. If, as you claim, you are not shilling for Rio, then I throw down to you this challenge.

Since you are not in Kiev right now and you have no supposed firsthand knowledge of the club, its managers, its policies and its girls and line-ups, then it makes as much sense for you to write about it today as it does for me to criticize it since I have not been there in ages. Things change, and in such clubs, they can change overnight and in several nights in sucession.

Given your distance from actual real-time experience, boots on the ground experience, there really is no reason for you to write about Rio in any specific terms.

The challenge is this. For me and for many who read the forum, for you to show that you are not a shill for Rio, that you now abstain in the whole to write about Rio. Write as much as you want about everything else, no problem with that to show you know more about Kiev than exclusively Rio. Show us that you know mongering outside of the most expensive strip club in Kiev.

Once you return to Kiev and head for Rio, go ahead and write as much as you want. And if it so happens to be when I am back, I will come by and check it out and also write about it.

Are you man enough to accept the challenge or shall we always doubt your posts about Rio?

[QUOTE=Muddy7; 1259162]LOL.

Okay.

I get the feeling you are in love with one of the dancers at Rio buddy and don't want us to go there.[/QUOTE]I know Cruiser and he has about as much need of the strippers at Rio or any other club as I do. Going there and trying to score by paying an entrance fee, drinks, private dances and whatever else such as rip-off taxis is a total waste of money.

Honestly, I would be thrilled if all of you kowtowed and then prayed at the altar of the great all-knowing and all-seeing sex god Liljoey and his Rio fixation.

Just that much more for the rest of us in a very very big city. Go and play in your little pond, I will revel in the ocean.

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1259158]You want to invent another approach to snag hotties at Rio, be my guest, test it out and if you report it in good faith, I will try your recommendations too. It's the pussy that we can get that should be the goal of these reports, not tearing each other down. I'm sure you agree with at least that.[/QUOTE]I had posted before I read your response but I still think the challenge is worthwhile. OK, no problem with this finish to your post. I agree it is what we can all do to succeed in the very many OTHER opportunities Kiev presents than just one specific venue.

When I get back I will post on everything but strip clubs. They are all, including one now unnamed club mentioned too many times like issues surrounding Gia earlier, they are nothing just rip-off joints where all you will earn is the sound of one hand action when you get back to your apartment or hotel.

we interrupt this cat fight for a post on the mongering situation in kiev. .

after a four-hour nap i was wide-awake. my body still believes it is ten time zones away from kiev.

since yesterday's massage went so well i figured i ought to try the much-lauded rakuena. finding this was made even more confusing since the english version of their website lists their old address. it also lists a much more involved menu than dolly. walked through the door of a much nicer facility and was offered a lineup of a half dozen stunning women. the 5'8' blond inna outshone all the rest. she was so fine that i opted for the 700gr 90 minute erotic encounter. glad i did. after the shower i got back to the room to see the finest pair of c+ natural fun bags i've ever had the pleasure to feel up. the rest of her has to be in the teens on body fat ratio. obviously works to keep that fine body in top shape. still no idea what the erotic encounter is, but we are in a jacuzzi room so i had high hopes. she had me lay down face up, and stripped. oiled us up and went right into a most erotic body slide. again no touching the pussy, but close was ok, and oh those beautiful breasts. after about 15 minutes of this she sat on top showing a gaping pussy, and amazing sexy eye contact, reached behind and worked me to a finish that i could not help but fantasize has in her fine ass. while my heart rate came down, she toweled me off she explained that the rest of the session would include regular massage, erotic massage and a shower together. yippee! we talked a bit while she did the regular massage, when she got to the erotic massage i was to busy enjoying the touch and view to say anything. this time she turned around in 69 position. worked those lips open and closed inches in front of my face. the vitamin c had me looking ready to go but after letting her work pretty hard at it for about five minutes i gave in and said it wasn't going to happen. damn this getting old is crap. shower was nice. i had been scheming, since about the third second after i laid eyes on her, and did my best to get a dinner date, but it just wasn't happening despite her expressing that she really liked me. it was some of the best-spent money in many years of this hobby. i'the give a couple hundred bucks for a nice video of that session. note these massages were on saturday and sunday, which is when knowledge from previous posts said there would be the best selection. inna works another kind of job m-f.

ok skip the next if you're just after the x-rated part.

today was nearly shirtsleeves warm. did a couple laps up and down khreshchatyk admiring a lot of leg. made some eye contact, but nothing serious enough to get me to risk using my lousy russian. around 5:00 i dropped back in to oliva for an early dinner. the mixed grill was tasty, can't imagine why i'm craving protein. just after i sat down, two girls that could have easily passed for vegas hookers sat at a large table next to me and went to work on their phones like it was all business. had i just discovered some secret spot where they had a decent meal before heading off to work? in a couple minutes another sort of trashy looking gal joined them. slowly the table filled up with couples, including mom & dad. i add this to make note that this would be an easy place to get a sound slap on the face if one were too forward with some fashionista after first glance. one more lap at dusk, but still nothing worth the risk of looking like a fool.

napped for an hour, the plan (always written in sand) was to find something supper hot in one of the clubs tonight. found my fantasy babe twice but couldn't get more than a hand job, damn fine hand jobs mind you, but i came here to see one of those perfect asses in front of me driving me mad. woke up groggy, showered, snacked, still not up to more than a couple cylinders firing. the time zone thing has kept me from a decent sleep schedule since i got here. decided to be lazy and see what i could summon up to the door. tried the mamba 'who is online and offering sex for money' strategy, since it was now 9pm, as many posts will tell you, it was too late in the day for that to work. stupidly wasted an hour and a half on it. going back to all my website research, i had a number of sites where tineye had not detected stolen images. called one, made it clear i would only be satisfied with the girl in the picture, they must have realized that i wasn't a good scam candidate and honestly said that girl was not available. got that same crappy pimp line through a handful of calls. finally one was up front honest, and said they would send out four girls to choose from. with that kind of offer at $700gr for regular girls, or $900gr for model level: i had to give it a try, asked for model level. forty fucking five minutes later, the three candidates arrived. must have lost one of the herd along the way, because if any of these girls were modeling it was for bovine quarterly. by the way these heffers came from top modals. some of the other sites i tried and was absolutely sure i was dealing with slime balls included minuet, intimgirls and vipescort. i put those on the avoid list. many times there are great disappointments chasing that perfect instant of pleasure, this was one of them. decided to have a glass of wine and get some sleep.