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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727539]So when you say if you get vaccinated, you won't get Covid, and you do get vaccinated x 4 and get Covid, that is science? Hey, Gramps, what is your definition of is? And the reason Biden gave out false information was because of Trump? Biden had to lie because of Trump. LOL.

"If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit, and you're not going to die. ".

Is that true Gramps? Is that science? Was there anyone who thought they should not have to go to the hospital if they were sick with Covid and stayed home and died because Biden said they would NEVER have to go?

There are millions who got vaccinated. How many injected bleach?

Yeah, that is a shocker. Biden is caught completely bullshitting about the vaccine and the media calls it is a half truth.

Trump jokes about bleach, and there are hundreds of articles about the dozens of calls to poison control but not this. Nah, it was half true given the context. "What Biden meant to say", yeah, how many times have we heard that line?

I should have anticipated the context angle. Biden didn't say he was sending troops to Ukraine. That was just a context error.

Gramps, you know you are totally full of shit right?

The science is the vaccine worked okay for a few months and then it did nothing and at the time it was doing the most nothing is when Dems were bitching the loudest for people to get vaccinated. That is the truth and the science, and Biden was miles away from both.

Thing is you didn't even know Biden said what he did Gramps. Why is that?[/QUOTE]Look, Mental Midget, the reason almost nobody gave a shit about that one sentence is because he and his life-saving teams of experts who distributed and administered the vaccines Trump spent almost the entire critical year of 2020 insisting no one should bother inventing or taking because "we've got this under control, it's disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine" were constantly explaining how vaccines work to Mental Midgets like you; they prevent you from getting seriously ill WHEN you are exposed enough to the virus to test positive.

Biden even says it 2-3 different times at that same appearance.

But if you are prone to only choose one utterly irrelevant and harmless misstatement to go on and ignore everything else, let's examine the potential downside of doing that.

Zero downside.

Please explain the horrible outcome for some seriously hearing-impaired soul who only heard Biden say that one sentence and none of the others, got 2-3 vaccinations and then actually did get Covid but the symptoms were so mild thanks to his being vaccinated that he didn't even know he had it. Or the symptoms were no worse than getting a 3-day cold.

I suppose you think he ought to be hopping mad about that, right? Please explain why.

Now let's compare that to the dozens of times Trump said what I quoted above and millions of people were dumb enough to believe him. The downside to that is the actual death of almost everyone who died from it after they refused to get vaccinated despite Biden making them readily and freely available to every American.

That is a huge and meaningful difference.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2727513]Read: [B]Did Biden Say You Wont Get COVID if Youre Vaccinated?[/B] ([URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/[/URL]).

Watch: [URL]https://youtu.be/t7WwDLzG--Y[/URL].

I feel sorry that some of us here are either lacking in memory, or lacking skills to Google. Please feel free to reach out to me by PM if you need help in improving your skills on how to use search engines eg Google. Thank you![/QUOTE]Yeah, I understand some of the people who weirdly only heard that one sentence about not getting Covid if you take Biden's free, safe and easily available vaccines, still got Covid months later but, thanks to being vaccinated, had symptoms so mild, if any at all, most of them never even knew they had it are organizing a class-action law suit for having been so egregiously misled.

Dammit all, they never would have taken those free, safe and easily available vaccines and could have died from Covid fair and square if only Biden had kept his mouth shut and not misstated that one iddy biddy detail about it!

How dare Biden save their lives that way!

Before that they were happily sailing along under the Trump-assured delusion that "it is disappearing and will go away without a vaccine", well on their way to enjoying some serious debilitating symptoms, hospitalization, perhaps even death when they eventually became infected.

Then Biden had to come along and make that one sentence misstatement, the only sentence they heard, and ruin everything.

They might never forgive Biden for that.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2727703]If you knew what vaccines were supposed to do, you wouldn't write this drivel.[/QUOTE]What does MY supposed lack of knowledge of vaccines have to do with anything?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2727703]I saw an ad on TV last night for "Shingrix", the shingles vaccine. Evidently "Shignrix" doesn't work at all because the ad (admittedly in Canadian TV, because they still can't lie) said that the vaccine is 90% effective. If you knew how vaccines work, you'd know that most vaccines are not 100% effective 100% of the time.[/QUOTE]So this is a straw man and deflection. I never said the vaccine was 100% effective. It was wrongly advertised as being 95% effective and was not. Right now, it is 0% effective, not 90, not 100 but 0.

So now you are calling a 0% vaccine a vaccine. That is a laugh.

Hell, it is now standard Democratic douchery to change the meaning of words. The Covid vaccine was not a vaccine. It was more of an immune stimulator and so the meaning of the word vaccine was changed. Now you douches are changing the meaning of the word recession. Global warming is now climate change, the word is is up for debate, and science is not science.

PVM, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you care about anything besides the Democratic party? This whole thing should tell you that they do not give a fuck about you. You put an experimental drug into your body and no one has any fucking clue what it does long term FOR NOTHING.

Yeah, Trump should not have said the bleach comment. You guys exaggerated the shit out of but it was wrong of him to do. Is it that fucking hard to admit when your leaders fuck up? Are you douches capable of admitting that?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2727707]Anyway, I exchanged bodily fluids with many girls like on my 2 previous trips, but this time I contracted a very mild case of Covid. My symptoms were a severe sore throat like I never experienced before, but nothing else. No coughing, no headaches, and I was not bedridden although my sexual appetite went to zero for a week or so. The sore throat lasted 3 days. I was never tested, but my girls all said, "you have Omicron" matter of fact like it was nothing when I told them of my symptoms. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2727707]Real nice guy, knows he has Covid but keeps himself in the mix spreading it to hookers and who knows else. But of course it's all about you, your discomforts and lack of sexual appetite. No other thought entered your mind.

Sadly the "experts" credibility is shot.[/QUOTE]You, talking about credibility?? Wink The vaccines offer protection against servere illness. This was proven in the highly disproportionate amount of the unvaccinated admitted to hospitals. The "experts" were right and your essay was pointless.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2727106]I am not a Republican as much as I vote Republican. When Bush trashed the economy and was mongering for war all over the world and trashing the economy, I voted for Obama. ...

You think there is this huge gulf between Republicans and Democrats. ... [/QUOTE]Yeah! Definitely HUGE! This radical, far-right, QAnon "baby eating", "conspiracy at every turn", version of Republicans I don't recognize. IMHO, it started with the Reagan administration and has steadily gotten worse, culminating with the Agent Orange, as the least iteration of moral degradation and corruption.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2727106] Outside of his bone headed energy policy (and Bush's was boneheaded as well but in a different way), I see little difference between Biden and GW Bush.

They both love war.The best presidents in my life time (Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump) all kept the peace...[/QUOTE]

What a motley crew of presidents. You certainly can pick 'em.

• Reagan (The 2nd worst of the bunch you chose) - The Godfather of "neo-liberal" capitalism, the "war-on-drugs" and the [b]most puppeted[/b] President of all-time and ushered in age of corporate greed designed to disenfranchise middle and working class Americans.

• Clinton (The 3rd worst) - Dude, probably did more for the Republicans than any other Democrat President.

• Obama (The 4th worst) - Dude was a bit disappointing. More hard-line measures could have been taken to the banksters and fraudsters of the 2008 crash.

• Trump (No.1 and by far the worst) - Enough said w/r to the Orange Buffoon

Well, you have your reasons why you chose, who you chose. There is no wrong or right answer to voting and will also be a personal matter.

But the bear minimum I expect from a president/administration is to uphold some semblance of equality for ALL Americans w/r to peace, democracy and a just rule of law.

Hey, I struggle with the Dems, at times over the years, even coming close to "doing the right thing" and not succumb to "corporate greed machinery", but at least they strive more in the direction of equality and justice. [b](ie. MLK - [/b][i] "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice"[/i][b])[/b]. Republicans not so much! If at all?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2727842]Yeah! Definitely HUGE! This radical, far-right, QAnon "baby eating", "conspiracy at every turn", version of Republicans I don't recognize. IMHO, it started with the Reagan administration and has steadily gotten worse, culminating with the Agent Orange, as the least iteration of moral degradation and corruption.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with your rankings but the RethugliKKKans certainly have scammed the voters with the "trickle-down" bullshit. Trickle-down sounds good but nothing major has ever trickled-down. The better term is "voodoo economics" as shown here. [URL]https://zfacts.com/national-debt/[/URL].

But yes, "Some semblance of equality for all Americans w / are to peace, democracy and a just rule of law. " is a good yardstick. The Dems might not "come close" to attaining it but at least they try. The RethliKKKants don't try at all. They cry a lot, though, about how they're victims. But instead of trying to come up with policies that might make things better, what they do is come up with policies that take away things.

Ohhhh, boo-hoo, Donnie the Dumbass lost. Let's make it harder to vote.

Ohhhh, boo-hoo, Donnie the Dumbass said the election was stolen but he can't prove it. Let's lie about "election security" and make it harder to vote.

Ohhhh, boo-hoo, we don't want women to have a choice if they can't afford a child or if they were the victim of rape or incest or, god forbid, if carrying the baby to term will kill the mother. Let's just say that we are pro-life and take away not only a woman's right to choose but also let's make sure that program limits are in place to make sure the child suffers until it is 18.

Ohhhh, boo-hoo, we hate anybody who looks different from us or acts differently from us or who believes in a non-Christian religion. Let's make sure that we turn the US into a Christian-like Taliban.

The great RethugliKKKant battle cry "Ohhhh, boo-hoo, we are victims, I tell you, victims."

America is attracting garbage from across the world. All of them want your resources and women. Many from my country and neighbouring Islamic countries are in America Canada Europe are out there selling drugs and abusing western women while most western western guys are kuks getting off to interracial porn. There is no saving America or the west at this point.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2727842]Yeah! Definitely HUGE! This radical, far-right, QAnon "baby eating", "conspiracy at every turn", version of Republicans I don't recognize. IMHO, it started with the Reagan administration and has steadily gotten worse, culminating with the Agent Orange, as the least iteration of moral degradation and corruption.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/fbi-wray-hunter-biden/2022/08/04/id/1081788/[/URL]

The uncharacteristic Repub advantage on the Generic Ballot question regarding control of Congress has totally evaporated in the highly regarded FiveThirtyEight Polling Service version of it.

Tied / Dead Even today:

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/[/URL]

Even on the demonstrably Repub / winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site version of it, the Repub advantage today has sunk to a mere 0.3 percentage point:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html[/URL]

And this is as the primaries are only now determining which QAnon Repub loon specifically will be running against a Dem who, unlike the Repub loon, prefers and will defend and protect democracy over authoritarian dictatorship along with being able to tout all of the remarkable, historic, positive achievements and accomplishments of the current presidential administration and Dem-controlled Congress in recovering us and the world from the disastrous across-the-board economic, domestic, national security and foreign policy results handed to them from the previous Repub administration and his fellow Repubs in Congress.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2727786]Yeah, I understand some of the people who weirdly only heard that one sentence about not getting Covid if you take Biden's free, safe and easily available vaccines, still got Covid months later but, thanks to being vaccinated, had symptoms so mild, if any at all, most of them never even knew they had it are organizing a class-action law suit for having been so egregiously misled.

Dammit all, they never would have taken those free, safe and easily available vaccines and could have died from Covid fair and square if only Biden had kept his mouth shut and not misstated that one iddy biddy detail about it!

How dare Biden save their lives that way!

Before that they were happily sailing along under the Trump-assured delusion that "it is disappearing and will go away without a vaccine", well on their way to enjoying some serious debilitating symptoms, hospitalization, perhaps even death when they eventually became infected.

Then Biden had to come along and make that one sentence misstatement, the only sentence they heard, and ruin everything.

They might never forgive Biden for that.[/QUOTE]As usual and as expected, you sidetracked what question my post was in response to. Very typical [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] keep changing the goal posts, same like changing definition of recession now. LOL.

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[B]China fires missiles over Taiwan for first time as Beijing retaliates against Pelosi visit[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/04/asia/china-taiwan-pelosi-japan-tensions-intl-hnk/index.html[/URL]

Libs provoked Russia to invade Ukraine, causing global issues. Now the same are provoking China to invade Taiwan! WTF?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2727924]As usual and as expected, you sidetracked what question my post was in response to. Very typical **** keep changing the goal posts, same like changing definition of recession now. LOL.[/QUOTE]The definition of a Recession has virtually always been when the National Bureau of Economic Research declares it so based on a host of factors.

And on that count, it is doubtful the NBER will declare as a "Recession" a period of time where the unemployment rate has remained well below 4%, jobs are being created at record levels, wages are increasing at decades long record highs, consumer spending has barely declined despite Trump's Pandemic Supply-Chain Destruction Inflation, mere 1.6% and 0.9% pull backs in GDP Growth were seen for a couple of quarters after posting positive GDP Growth numbers under Biden and the Dems that Trump and his Repubs could only wish for but never achieved and even with the stock market as measured by the Wall Street go-to S&P 500 Index closing barely into Bear Market territory for only a few days before (so far) climbing right back into a health-restoring Correction territory within a mere 14% or so of it's all time record high achieved under Biden several months ago.

Oh, and with some other folk's favorite go-to measure for the USA stock market, the DOW, not yet closing in Bear Market territory for even a single day.

Although I suppose it is possible if Trump and Moscow Mitch somehow managed to pack the NBER with their favorite QAnon Repub loons.

Now, for the concept of a "mini Recession", the kind that came and went during a brief and mild downturn or set back that didn't even raise the unemployment rate into double digits for a single month or produce so much as a few thousand job losses, if any at all, check out the 2-3 that occurred under Truman post WWII and especially that tiny one under Carter. Any two of Eisenhower's three Recessions combined was bigger than those.

By stark contrast, of course, for the concept of a "Great Recession / Depression" over the past 100 years or so, simply check out the disastrous policy and stewardship-driven downturns under Hoover, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump.

Honorable Mention must go to those THREE Happy Days Recessions Eisenhower produced and presided over and a nod in passing to the significant ones Nixon / Ford and Bush1 gave us as well.

None at all to report for that timeframe under JFK, LBJ, Clinton, Obama and, yep, Biden to date. Not even a "mini" one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727817]What does MY supposed lack of knowledge of vaccines have to do with anything?

So this is a straw man and deflection. I never said the vaccine was 100% effective. It was wrongly advertised as being 95% effective and was not. Right now, it is 0% effective, not 90, not 100 but 0.

So now you are calling a 0% vaccine a vaccine. That is a laugh.

Hell, it is now standard Democratic douchery to change the meaning of words. The Covid vaccine was not a vaccine. It was more of an immune stimulator and so the meaning of the word vaccine was changed. Now you douches are changing the meaning of the word recession. Global warming is now climate change, the word is is up for debate, and science is not science..[/QUOTE]Who was President when this "0% effective" vaccine was developed? The Mango Mussolini.

Who got duped by the companies that developed this "0% effective" vaccine? The Mango Mussolini?

Who didn't bother to insert any type of "effectiveness" clause in any of the vaccine contracts? The Mango Mussolini.

Who is the sole person to blame for the "0% effective" vaccine? The Mango Mussolini.

So, in terms of the only word you seem to understand, "douchery", who is the biggest "douche" on the planet? The Mango Mussolini. Who are the second biggest "douches"? His supporters and apologists.

An "immune stimulator"? Really? Because that is [B]exactly what a vaccine does[/B]. Vaccines are supposed to stimulate the body's immune system so that it can recognize an invasion by a specific bacteria or virus. Anybody who has been educated past the third grade knows this. [URL]https://vaccination-info.eu/en/vaccine-facts/how-vaccines-work[/URL] and [URL]https://immunizebc.ca/how-do-vaccines-work[/URL] and [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/how-do-vaccines-work_en[/URL] and [URL]https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/immunisation/about-immunisation[/URL] There many more examples. But to suggest that every single one of these agencies changed the definition of what a vaccine is and how it works is almost as ludicrous as "but the election was stolen". It is easy, however, to see why RethugliKKKants believe it, though. The more outlandish the conspiracy theory, the more you ID ten t's believe it.

And please stop lying about the "experimental" COVID vaccines. Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have received full FDA approval. Stop believing everything FUX Snooze tells you. Nobody with a brain believes anything that FUX Snooze says. [URL]https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/covid-19/fda-covid-19-vaccine-approval-updates[/URL].

Few Nobel Memorial Prize-winning economists (in Economic Sciences) or any others have been as right as often about the economy, the consistent Repub economic failures and lies and Mainstream Media's tireless efforts to "Bothside" every important issue into a false but perceived advantage and win for the Repubs as Paul Krugman.

His assessment of Biden and the Dems' next historic positive accomplishment in less than two years of Biden's astonishingly successful presidency is no exception to that pattern.

Well worth a read for some of the pro America elements cited in the Inflation Reduction Act that patriotic Americans will love for decades to come, Repubs will hate forever and MSM will happily struggle to turn into a very close horse race and, it hopes, potential election win for Repubs who have never, could never and would never come up with anything providing even 1% of the value this Biden / Dem legislation provides for America and Americans:

[B]Republicans Flail and Fail on Taxes
August 4, 2022[/B]

[URL]https://dnyuz.com/2022/08/04/republicans-flail-and-fail-on-taxes/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Kyrsten Sinema willing, Democrats appear to be on the verge of passing the Inflation Reduction Act a bill that probably would, indeed, reduce inflation but is mainly a desperately needed effort to limit climate change. Republicans are, of course, attacking the legislation.

But when I look at the substance of those attacks, such as it is, I cant help feeling more cheerful than I have in months.

For one thing, the debate over the proposal feels like a return to a more innocent time, when Republicans tried to make their case with dishonest claims about economic policy not insane conspiracy theories and attempts to overthrow democracy.[/QUOTE]