Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Jyd77;2815823]Hello, So I'm planning a trip to Medellin in a few month and I would love to set some dates up with some girls. I want to try the facebook way I just made a new account and added some pics of myself but I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips or advice on how to search / find girls on FB any help would be great.

Thank you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090192082524&mibextid=ZbWKwL[/URL]

Most people would tell you to do some research or point to You to another thread. I on the other had haven't brought enough value to the board so I will do that now.

Add the girl in the link. Yes I know she probably not your type but it doesn't matter. Whay you want is two things. The first is access to her friends list. From there you can add more meddlin girls at the beginning of this multi week process of building your Facebook friends list I would suggest not caring as much about the looks and more about age and location. You want to be sure to add girls around your target age and make sure they are in medellin. The second goal here is to influence the algorithm that suggests friends to suggest more girl from medellin. You do this by following my previous advice and only invite girls from Medellíand of the target age range.

Eventually after a few weeks you have a few hundred girls on your friends list and more being suggested all the time. Congrats you've turn your fb into a safer tinder.

Eventually they start to request you and at some point you only add the girls you find attractive. One thing to consider is don't go to fast at the beginning. Fb isn't meant to be used this way and they will prevent you and possibly flag your account of you try to add too many girls too soon.

See a girl you look send her a message and chat her up. Give her a compliment or two. I'm not a pro at the messaging part but eventually I take a chance and see if this is p4 p interaction I'm building. I sometimes do this by asking are they looking for something serious or casual. Sometimes I work into the conversation that I'm looking for a mutually beneficial friendship. Most girls are willing to negotiate after that. For girls 7/10 and lower I stsrt at 150 mil pesos. I haven't had one go for thay price but it sets up the negotiations to end at around 250 mil pesos. For girls that are more attractive and have more friends and are lighter skin I usually start at 200 mil and expect to end closer to 300 mil up to 500 mil. The prices can definitely be higher than this but I'm consciously try not to inflate the prices. Almsot all the girls I have lined up are ok with 200 to 250 mil.

This is what I have learned take the messaging part with a grain of salt as my first time in medellin will be Monday. I have yet to see the results of my messaging. The first half of this, what you actually asked for advice on, is pretty solid. I have hundreds of girls I have yet to message the majority of them I find attractive and a good portion look like women I'd easily fall in love with back when I was simping in the matrix.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2815810]Yes the girls look clean and smell good there.[/QUOTE]There's countless places like that in Medellin and it won't cost 200 USD.

[QUOTE=Jyd77;2815823]Hello, So I'm planning a trip to Medellin in a few month and I would love to set some dates up with some girls. I want to try the facebook way I just made a new account and added some pics of myself but I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips or advice on how to search / find girls on FB any help would be great.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Every few weeks, we get the same question on this board. This has been answered a number of times. You just need to go back and read the posts about Facebook.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816013]There's countless places like that in Medellin and it won't cost 200 USD.[/QUOTE]Guys like miamiboy1 and this guy appreciate the fact that they are getting cleaner, better, top notch women by paying $200 usd. The extra high price ensures that they are std free and smell like peaches and cream.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2815854]Dream on. Maybe a girl that is butt ugly would go for 250 mil pesos.[/QUOTE]Not true Mr Humble.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2815502]I think you mean short time hotel when you casa. Isn't that so? At any rate, knives are ot at all uncommon in Centro. My read is the girl was just trying to intimidate you because she realized you had no knowledge of market prices. You recovered quickly and with HRIC (head rat in charge) Surfer's approval I nominate you to be a new Centro rat.[/QUOTE]It's been a while since we've had a report from somebody that got a knife pulled on them in Centro.

In fact, this is the first reporting of an incident as far as I can remember (which isn't long) where a knife was pulled out in a Love Motel versus on the street.

I'm going to second your nomination based on the fact that this newly minted "street rat" as you mentioned didn't scurry off from Centro with his tail between his legs whimpering and crying, yet ventured right back out to get a nut.

So as a junior rat, with one whisker to begin with, he can gain more whiskers, and maybe even grow a full on beard after he's done a few dozen Sacaleros and some beached whales and can finally become a senior rat, with your approval. LOL.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2816022]Every few weeks, we get the same question on this board. This has been answered a number of times. You just need to go back and read the posts about Facebook.[/QUOTE]What's really needed is a "Fayboo" section of it's own, along with other sections because the Medellin thread has grown so much over the years with so many new members posting and so many posts to go thru to get relevant information quickly.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2815985][URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090192082524&mibextid=ZbWKwL[/URL]

Most people would tell you to do some research or point to You to another thread. I on the other had haven't brought enough value to the board so I will do that now.

Add the girl in the link. Yes I know she probably not your type but it doesn't matter. Whay you want is two things. The first is access to her friends list. From there you can add more meddlin girls at the beginning of this multi week process of building your Facebook friends list I would suggest not caring as much about the looks and more about age and location. You want to be sure to add girls around your target age and make sure they are in medellin. The second goal here is to influence the algorithm that suggests friends to suggest more girl from medellin. You do this by following my previous advice and only invite girls from Medelland of the target age range.[/QUOTE]Thank you that's a great help already had some add me back thanks again man.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2815985][URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090192082524&mibextid=ZbWKwL[/URL]

Most people would tell you to do some research or point to You to another thread. I on the other had haven't brought enough value to the board so I will do that now.

Add the girl in the link. Yes I know she probably not your type but it doesn't matter. Whay you want is two things. The first is access to her friends list. From there you can add more meddlin girls at the beginning of this multi week process of building your Facebook friends list I would suggest not caring as much about the looks and more about age and location. You want to be sure to add girls around your target age and make sure they are in medellin. The second goal here is to influence the algorithm that suggests friends to suggest more girl from medellin. You do this by following my previous advice and only invite girls from Medelland of the target age range.

Eventually after a few weeks you have a few hundred girls on your friends list and more being suggested all the time. Congrats you've turn your fb into a safer tinder.[/QUOTE]Very good advice, in line with previous posts. I would add that what the girls say sometimes does not match the way they will act in the room. Colombian girls are very good at stroking your ego and saying how handsome you are and how excited they are to meet you and then when they actually meet you, sometimes there is much less excitement and you feel like you are just another customer. Jajaja. At least that has been my experience. You will also get girls that message you a lot and then when you actually in Medellin, they do not respond to you. Just part of the game.

[QUOTE=PinkMonger1;2815433]A big Hello, to everyone. For the last 10-15 years a big thank you to all who have contributed to this forum I consider you my role models. I say that because my marriage of 23 years has just ended and throughout the years, I would secretly come to this site to read all the reports and live out my fantasies through you guys. I'm a free man now and I hope to contribute to this forum as time goes on. I love Latin pussy and I want to make Medellin, Colombia my first stop in the world of mongering. I want to start to getting my feet wet I just want to ask you a question I've been reading the last couple posts of you guys meeting girls through Facebook. I've never really been on Facebook. I don't know how it works. Quite honestly. I would love to learn how you guys meet these girls. What am I searching for? How do I search? I would love to get to know a couple girls so that way I have options when I get boots on the ground other than the typical strip clubs, websites, and street hookers. Please help this Rookie. I want to know the way of the force and I would love for you Jedi masters, to show me how.[/QUOTE]Save yourself all the hassle and work, and for your first visit go stay at the "Mansion" (aka Casa Blanca or Hotel M) where the girls cost $200 k-300 k, they are ID verified, and there is no drama and you will be in the company of other mongers, English speaking staff, and get a free breakfast every morning. Whole separate thread in this Colombia section for that property. [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2816028]Guys like miamiboy1 and this guy appreciate the fact that they are getting cleaner, better, top notch women by paying $200 usd. The extra high price ensures that they are std free and smell like peaches and cream.[/QUOTE]I get such a kick out of guys that believe their way to play the game is the only way. Or that their experience is typical or the expectation for every experience. Bottom line is we all have our own methods, our own risk tolerance, our own budget, etc. We also have our own strengths and weaknesses. It's arrogant to think I speak for all.

That said, these posts do make me feel like Superman. Because, according to this forum, I'm capable of the impossible. Someone recently said 'I talk to them, I don't just walk up and quote a price. " I have no game. I'm not attractive, and I'm not young. But I will swear by my methods. Treat the girl like a human being. News flash. None of these girls enjoy their job. You may think your special. You may believe her when she says you are the only one that gets her off. But these girls don't love their jobs. They may enjoy the money, sure. But she's after the green, not the gringo. But if you can connect with her, and it really is as simple as treating her with genuine kindness, you may find the impossible is possible.

By no means am I dissing on anyone's methods. Some guys get off on the ease of picking these girls up. Some get off on finding the most economical chicas. Whatever floats your boat, enjoy it. But it's tiresome to hear what can't be done. I'm not even a good negotiator but I can promise you that I've never paid $200 for a Gustos girl.

AV runs several flights out of MIA daily to 5 cities in Colombia. How are these flights? Are they Spirit like or Delta like?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2816099]
Treat the girl like a human being. News flash. these girls ... But if you can connect with her, and it really is as simple as treating her with genuine kindness, you may find the impossible is possible.
[/QUOTE]The truth is here. Often the difference between a great ime and shlt one. But not always.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2816099]I get such a kick out of guys that believe their way to play the game is the only way. Or that their experience is typical or the expectation for every experience. Bottom line is we all have our own methods, our own risk tolerance, our own budget, etc. We also have our own strengths and weaknesses. It's arrogant to think I speak for all.

That said, these posts do make me feel like Superman. Because, according to this forum, I'm capable of the impossible. Someone recently said 'I talk to them, I don't just walk up and quote a price. " I have no game. I'm not attractive, and I'm not young. But I will swear by my methods. Treat the girl like a human being. News flash. None of these girls enjoy their job. You may think your special. You may believe her when she says you are the only one that gets her off. But these girls don't love their jobs. They may enjoy the money, sure. But she's after the green, not the gringo. But if you can connect with her, and it really is as simple as treating her with genuine kindness, you may find the impossible is possible.

By no means am I dissing on anyone's methods. Some guys get off on the ease of picking these girls up. Some get off on finding the most economical chicas. Whatever floats your boat, enjoy it. But it's tiresome to hear what can't be done. I'm not even a good negotiator but I can promise you that I've never paid $200 for a Gustos girl.[/QUOTE]Hey Superman, why don't you help out others and talk about your proprietary methods of scoring top 10-20% Gusto girls for less than $200 on the same night during "prime time"? Don't tell me you wait out until like 3-4 am to pick them up, this is obvious.

Btw, I never paid $200 for Gusto girl either, simply because that’s out of my comfortable budget. Always passed lol

Flew in late last night and arrived at the Airbnb around 11. Had it in my mind to go out but I had been up for a long time and passed out very quickly.

Woke up this morning and got some essentials from the tienda down the road. Met up with another BM and headed to Centro around 11 am. Did a lap around Botero but there were very few good options at that time. We decided to check out some casa's so we walked to Zandalay first. Met and sessioned with a sweet 23 year old paisa named Carolina. She had such a good attitude and smile during presentation that I couldn't resist. She had great energy and and a delicious little all-natural flaca body. 55 k for 30 minutes. Would definitely repeat with her.

We walked to the next casa which I want to say was Dulce but I could be wrong. I know that is not helpful but the lineup was so underwhelming it made me forget.

Kept going to Aiffe where the hottest girl there was walking out for lunch as we were walking in. The lineup was not great but there was a strong finish and my fellow BM found the one and reported a good session. I believe it was 60 k for 30 minutes.

Back to Plaza Botero for one more lap and the selection was much stronger this time. Had we both not just sessioned and had FB citas lined up for the afternoon we probably would have each made a selection. One note from this trip. The girls now are looking much younger than I remember. I would venture to say that there are many that are not 18 regularly making themselves available. Case in point. We saw a beautiful young chica right outside the yellow restaurant behind the church. She said hola but after a very brief conference we decided it was not a good idea and kept walking. Walked down about 50 feet and turned around and were back at that spot a minute later and there were 2 policia standing there and she was nowhere to be seen. It would seem she left in a hurry. Careful out there guys.

Back to the apartment around 3:30. FB chica #1 was set to arrive at 5:30 and I'll be damned if she didn't arrive at 5:31 despite the heavy rains at the time. She was in her early 30's which is normally outside of my range but she looks much younger and she was recommended to me. She was delightful. We ordered some food, had some drinks, and had a great session. She left at 8:30.200 k mas taxi so 250 k total. (Note: I do not list the names of my FB dates on my reports. Personal preference).

So now I was full (and empty) and just going to call it a night. And then a FB chica who I had sessioned with on a previous trip started messaging me about how she missed me and really needed the money. And I told her I was going to bed and I would see her another time. Then she said she would do ANYTHING if I let her come over. 30 minutes later she was in my apartment and she went a solid 30 minutes with BBBJ before I was even close. (my recovery time is not what it used to be) A couple of positions later she accomplished her goal and was on her way. 230 k total.

There have been some FB posts recently on here so I will add to that conversation. I'm too lazy to copy and paste.

The FB game is as good as ever. It takes time to build, but if you build it, they will come. I think I'm at like 450 "friends" or something like that. I almost never send out a request these days and I only accept a small percentage of the requests that come my way. I'm much pickier now. In the beginning you send out a few a day to not alert FB as was mentioned by another poster. And you accept every request that you receive. But once you hit a certain point, the work does itself.

I have heard more than a few say that there is no need to know any Spanish. My translator app does all that for me. Well just to illustrate how far out translations can get, here is a direct copy from a Spanish to English translation posted on FB.

My heart doesn't understand but my reason doesn't and it's hard to empathize with what you don't fit in with. Only the moon knows my sorrow, she so full and I so empty. Maybe because I got lost in parts with the disappointments, I can't find the pieces of me. I lost yesterday, I lost today and maybe also tomorrow, and nothing will ever be the same or similar no matter how much they want to sell it to us. So much fighting for freedom, for being me and now what, normality is no longer normal and what was half normal is now madness. Hundreds of people die every day and you only care what's happening on social networks. Sometimes I think that few people can feel that empathy that makes respect both the good and the not.

It's so much. Today I thought it was going to be a day like any other, but only God can fill me with the love of God, only he can hear those unanswered questions and comfort me, even if it only serves to vent me and come back tomorrow to start again.

Many, the vast majority only read what's wrong and continue to have habits, behaviors and destructive people, they want to return to their lives ignoring the effects of so much evil, I really don't know how I'll get back to it.

I hope that gives some here a better understanding of how confusing our translated conversations can be to those getting them from us. Remember if you have to use a translator. Keep the sentences short and simple. Don't use idomatic phrases (like: I can't wait to see you). Better yet take an hour or two a week and learn some basic Spanish. Your accent and grammar won't be impressive but you will recieve major respect points for trying.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2816064]It's been a while since we've had a report from somebody that got a knife pulled on them in Centro.

In fact, this is the first reporting of an incident as far as I can remember (which isn't long) where a knife was pulled out in a Love Motel versus on the street.

I'm going to second your nomination based on the fact that this newly minted "street rat" as you mentioned didn't scurry off from Centro with his tail between his legs whimpering and crying, yet ventured right back out to get a nut.

So as a junior rat, with one whisker to begin with, he can gain more whiskers, and maybe even grow a full on beard after he's done a few dozen Sacaleros and some beached whales and can finally become a senior rat, with your approval. LOL.[/QUOTE]A knife pulled on you by a woman is a lot different from a knife pulled on you by a man.

Spirit like, AV is basically now the Spirit of Colombia.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2816139]AV runs several flights out of MIA daily to 5 cities in Colombia. How are these flights? Are they Spirit like or Delta like?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816013]There's countless places like that in Medellin and it won't cost 200 USD.[/QUOTE]Yes but maybe gustos is a safer place and can dance also.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2816195]Hey Superman, why don't you help out others and talk about your proprietary methods of scoring top 10-20% Gusto girls for less than $200 on the same night during "prime time"? Don't tell me you wait out until like 3-4 am to pick them up, this is obvious.

Btw, I never paid $200 for Gusto girl either, simply because thats out of my comfortable budget. Always passed lol[/QUOTE]LMAO If I could, I would. I don't have a method, nor do I have game. Tpp 10 or 20% is subjective, but yes I would say it's usually top 20% in my eyes. I don't have a special sauce to share other than what I've already said. On days I do Gustos, I don't arrive earlier than 10:30. And I don't know I've stayed later than 1:30. I do drink a bit. (Insert 10 at 2, 2 at 10 joke here) But I am extremely passive. I will almost always wait for the girl to approach me. Don't get me wrong, I don't settle. But simple eye contact and a smile will bring them over soon. I'm patient. And yes, I've lost out on "the one" more than once. That's the price I pay with my method. But I feel like them coming to me gives me at least a little leverage. I usually buy them 1 drink. 2 if I enjoy the banter. My spanish is sufficient to get by with basic conversation. I'm very chill. If there is a secret, that might be it. These girls are comfortable with me. I don't haggle with them. To me, it's counterproductive. I'm not going to ruin the mood over $20. If I don't like the price, I just say no thank you, that's more than I want to spend. I don't have a set price in mind. I go with the flow. I think everyone can understand that if I really enjoy the company of a girl, I'll spend more on her than one that needs to convince me. But I will say 600 k is my cap.

And for what it's worth, I've found they are more likely to negotiate time vs dollars. If I enjoy her company, I don't want an hour. I don't need an all nighter. But I'd rather let things develop vs walking in the door and dropping my pants.

As I said in my original post, I'm sure there are guys that don't want what I want. But I have no secret sauce. I'm sure luck plays apart as well. But I've never paid over 600 k and never ran into a 60 minute clock watcher.

What's the deal with Colombian chicks and lollipops? For every girl in American with an iPhone, there is a chica sucking on a lollipop.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2816469]What's the deal with Colombian chicks and lollipops? For every girl in American with an iPhone, there is a chica sucking on a lollipop.[/QUOTE]For me, its like cigarettes from the 60's or 70's. Its just a crutch to hang on to. Smthg to look cool.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CxHjJlnumOM[/URL]

Okay, she is paisa, has any of you been with her? Dm me her number please.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2816520][URL]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CxHjJlnumOM[/URL]

Okay, she is paisa, has any of you been with her? Dm me her number please.[/QUOTE]Not to be a jerk, but you're honestly trying to track down one skanky 7. 5 (maybe) on this forum and think someone will have been with this girl? I wish you luck!

If you don't find her there are thousands of better looking prepagos in Medellin so don't be worried.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2815810]Yes the girls look clean and smell good there.[/QUOTE]I would argue about 90% of the girls there are fat / unattractive. The other 10% is pretty good.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2816469]What's the deal with Colombian chicks and lollipops? For every girl in American with an iPhone, there is a chica sucking on a lollipop.[/QUOTE]Well if it's a hooker sucking on a lollipop and she's looking at you, she want's you to imagine her sucking on your dick.

The best question to ask a hooker sucking on a pop is whether she swallows.

Some women love guys coming in their mouth and than swallowing as strange as this may seem.

I've only had a few into this, and it's an experience not to be missed, especially if they suck out every last drop. LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816532]Not to be a jerk, but you're honestly trying to track down one skanky 7. 5 (maybe) on this forum and think someone will have been with this girl? I wish you luck!

If you don't find her there are thousands of better looking prepagos in Medellin so don't be worried.[/QUOTE]I feel the same way. There is nothing special about that girl. She is attractive but similar to so many other girls in Medellin that you can easily meet. Also the way she acted, she seems very experienced and I think it is 50/50 that it would be a business like transaction.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816532]Not to be a jerk, but you're honestly trying to track down one skanky 7. 5 (maybe) on this forum and think someone will have been with this girl? I wish you luck!

If you don't find her there are thousands of better looking prepagos in Medellin so don't be worried.[/QUOTE]For real, Medellin isn't Sosua 1 can not simply fathom how many women there are available in the city.

I have never been to Gustos, however, I have used similar "methods" as you have in Moet. While I have been told as high as 300 USD (she was easily one of the most attractive women I have ever laid eyes on but I obviously passed), I have gotten very attractive women out of Moet for 250-300 k COP. My question: In your opinion, are the women in Gustos more attractive than those in Moet. I know attractive is a somewhat relative term, which is why I asked "in your opinion. " While I have regulars and get my women from a variety of places, I do enjoy flirting, a drink, and dancing from time to time.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2816412]LMAO If I could, I would. I don't have a method, nor do I have game. Tpp 10 or 20% is subjective, but yes I would say it's usually top 20% in my eyes. I don't have a special sauce to share other than what I've already said. On days I do Gustos, I don't arrive earlier than 10:30. And I don't know I've stayed later than 1:30. I do drink a bit. (Insert 10 at 2, 2 at 10 joke here) But I am extremely passive. I will almost always wait for the girl to approach me. Don't get me wrong, I don't settle. But simple eye contact and a smile will bring them over soon. I'm patient. And yes, I've lost out on "the one" more than once. That's the price I pay with my method. But I feel like them coming to me gives me at least a little leverage. I usually buy them 1 drink. 2 if I enjoy the banter. My spanish is sufficient to get by with basic conversation. I'm very chill. If there is a secret, that might be it. These girls are comfortable with me. I don't haggle with them. To me, it's counterproductive. I'm not going to ruin the mood over $20. If I don't like the price, I just say no thank you, that's more than I want to spend. I don't have a set price in mind. I go with the flow. I think everyone can understand that if I really enjoy the company of a girl, I'll spend more on her than one that needs to convince me. But I will say 600 k is my cap..[/QUOTE]

I met a Colombian girl online last year in September. I don't live in Colombia. We talked a lot and decided to meet up in Europe in December. We had a good time together and since then we've vacationed together 3 times and now I plan to visit her in Colombia. She comes from a poor background and worked for a year as an escort to make ends meet (she has a 5 year old daughter to take care of). She led a pretty crazy life the year before I met her (sex and drugs). However, when I met her she stopped and I've asked her several times if she misses it and she says it was very stressful and she doesn't miss it. I have been on the cautious side and looked for red flags all along because of all the scary stories you hear, but she seems genuine. However, lately she has suggested a few things that made my Spidey-Sense tingle. It could be that I am overreacting because she IS a freak (mildly perverted, openminded and wanting to explore and experiment). So that's why I am writing this post.

Here are some of the things she has said / done that I find weird:

1. She said she wanted to see me drunk to see how I behaved.

2. She said she wanted to take Tusi with me (which I point blank said no to).

3. On 2 of the vacations we went on abroad she suggested that we find an escort because she likes to have a woman eat her out while I fuck that woman. She wants to see me have sex with another woman and she wants to participate in the thing (trio).

4. She recently told me she was pregnant (we have had unprotected sex), but I know she has an implant in her arm that acts as a contraception. She then sends me a picture of the positive test, and as the natural skeptic that I am I do a reverse image search and see that the image was taken from a website and cropped. Why the hell would she do that? Lately she has said she might not be pregnant after all and she wasn't sure. Maybe she just wanted to see my reaction to see if I would leave her (she has insecurity issues for sure).

Long story short:

She wants to have a trio when I come to Colombia. She says I can find the woman we're going to have sex with or she can find one. She also says she has friends who might want to do it. I don't know how to go about this in the most safest and low-risk way if I choose to have a trio with her. Regardless of who finds the woman to participate in our trio, I am thinking that I'll tell her that the trio has to take place at a swinger club where we can book a room. There is no way in hell I am going to have some woman I don't know at all visit us in the airbnb I have rented.

I am hoping for some constructive feedback.

MDE has changed since the 3 years I have visited, but I am here to only say this:

NO you don't have to pay 200-350 USD for pussy in Colombia.

At todays rate.

100 USD =455 K pesos.

200 USD = 911,000 pesos.

250 USA =1,139,226 MILLION pesos.

300 USD-=1. 367 MILION pesos.

350 USD= 1. 6 MiLLION Pesos.

Ask them to quote you in PESOS not dollars, can we at least agree on that? Hopefully some will realize how ridiculous these prices are when they hear 1.3-2 Million pesos coming out of a Chicas mouth.

Gusto's -any of you tried to get their numbers and negotiate away from the club? Tried holding a convo with the Chica, even if you must use a translator app, get her to laugh, treat her with some respect, be firm -but not an ass. The hardcore ones may still reject you but I bet you some 9's that will agree to see you during the day for much less.

If you can fuck a 9/10 at Loutrons, la ISL for 300-480 K pesos, why would you consider paying more at Gustos? Go find a 10 at a top establishment, get her number and go from there. I am sure quite a few Chicas who got paid 300-350 USD were either bad fucks and / or left after one pop.

We are the ones paying -be willing to go home alone if you must, take back control of this market or in few years the most basic looking Chica will be asking for 500 USD.



PS theres no need to disparage a fellow monger, laughing at him or calling him a sucker if he wants to go to gustos, rather lets help and offer advice to each other. The Chicas have banded together to raise the price of pussy but we dont have to accept it, especially members of this board who should KNOW better.

Teach the newer members who come here to seek advice, even when they are too lazy to RTFF lol, have some patience and lets stop bickering.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816632]If you are stepping into gustos for any reason, you are a sucker.[/QUOTE]And Mr Know It All, do you know why I go there at all and what I do pay?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2816028]Guys like miamiboy1 and this guy appreciate the fact that they are getting cleaner, better, top notch women by paying $200 usd. The extra high price ensures that they are std free and smell like peaches and cream.[/QUOTE]Yes and its a safe place too so I can be relaxed and dance with the girls and then get them a few drinks and get their number for the next day meeting.

[QUOTE=MateoCast98;2816539]I would argue about 90% of the girls there are fat / unattractive. The other 10% is pretty good.[/QUOTE]Yes I am only talking about the top 10-15 percent of the gusto girls on any given night. They are attractive, smell good and have good breath and dance well.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2816687]MDE has changed since the 3 years I have visited, but I am here to only say this:

NO you don't have to pay 200-350 USD for pussy in Colombia.

At todays rate.

100 USD =455 K pesos.

200 USD = 911,000 pesos.

250 USA =1,139,226 MILLION pesos.

300 USD-=1. 367 MILION pesos.

350 USD= 1. 6 MiLLION Pesos.

Ask them to quote you in PESOS not dollars, can we at least agree on that? Hopefully some will realize how ridiculous these prices are when they hear 1.3-2 Million pesos coming out of a Chicas mouth.

Gusto's -any of you tried to get their numbers and negotiate away from the club? Tried holding a convo with the Chica, even if you must use a translator app, get her to laugh, treat her with some respect, be firm -but not an ass. The hardcore ones may still reject you but I bet you some 9's that will agree to see you during the day for much less.

If you can fuck a 9/10 at Loutrons, la ISL for 300-480 K pesos, why would you consider paying more at Gustos? Go find a 10 at a top establishment, get her number and go from there. I am sure quite a few Chicas who got paid 300-350 USD were either bad fucks and / or left after one pop.

We are the ones paying -be willing to go home alone if you must, take back control of this market or in few years the most basic looking Chica will be asking for 500 USD.



PS theres no need to disparage a fellow monger, laughing at him or calling him a sucker if he wants to go to gustos, rather lets help and offer advice to each other. The Chicas have banded together to raise the price of pussy but we dont have to accept it, especially members of this board who should KNOW better.

Teach the newer members who come here to seek advice, even when they are too lazy to RTFF lol, have some patience and lets stop bickering.[/QUOTE]PREACH!! This should be pinned or Sticked to the top. WE have the leverage not them. I'll tell you, if she starts off in dollars it usually a bad sign however what I like to do is always ask in Pesos FIRST!!

Don't give them anywhere to go be like "cuanto cuesta en colombiana pesos?

Let us band together as well! We should come up with a snazzy pricing chart. I can build one that we put how much you should be paying if anyone would like. Sort of like how we hav the map.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2816722]PREACH!! This should be pinned or Sticked to the top. WE have the leverage not them. I'll tell you, if she starts off in dollars it usually a bad sign however what I like to do is always ask in Pesos FIRST!!

Don't give them anywhere to go be like "cuanto cuesta en colombiana pesos?

Let us band together as well! We should come up with a snazzy pricing chart. I can build one that we put how much you should be paying if anyone would like. Sort of like how we hav the map.[/QUOTE]Do you really think that if you ask to get quoted in pesos you are going to get like 50% off or something? These girls might be dumb but they do track the exchange rates (due to the fact that Gusto caters to foreigners) and will charge you accordingly. Also, how many of ISG members do frequent Gusto? Very very few. The majority of gustos clientele are weekend warriors who are not ISG members. They are not price sensitive and will gladly pay 200-300 usd simply because it is cheaper than back home, that's their logic. And gusto girls know that. This is why they barely negotiate, because there is always a gringo willing to pay premium. Most of us on ISG know gusto is a tourist trap and avoid it. Your suggestion to stick together is naive and won’t work. If nobody was willing to pay outrageous (by local standards) rates, these rates would go down because the girls would not have any business. Supply and demand.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2816722]PREACH!! This should be pinned or Sticked to the top. WE have the leverage not them. I'll tell you, if she starts off in dollars it usually a bad sign however what I like to do is always ask in Pesos FIRST!!

Don't give them anywhere to go be like "cuanto cuesta en colombiana pesos?

Let us band together as well! We should come up with a snazzy pricing chart. I can build one that we put how much you should be paying if anyone would like. Sort of like how we hav the map.[/QUOTE]There is another angle of this, some believe if they overpay they will get better treatment but probably they will get much worse. Overpaying by vast margin makes you look like a weak stupid gringo and lowers respect for all other gringos. I believe if girl tries to charge you way over market place is a sign of disrespect and such offer should be declined or countered to fair market price. In Thailand when girl doesn't want to go with you she will give you ridiculous overinflated price. Its their polite way of saying no but westerns don't get this and take everything at face value. Imagine you sell 50 $ watches and some guy asks you how much. You decided to have fun and throw him 500 $ and dude takes it face value and pays you. Would you respect him because he overpaid or maybe he would be a forever joke among your friends. The fact you pay for sex doesn't change sexual dynamic and rules of economy. Just stick to fair market prices and if you want to reward girl give her a reasonable tip but afterwards.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2816736]Do you really think that if you ask to get quoted in pesos you are going to get like 50% off or something? These girls might be dumb but they do track the exchange rates (due to the fact that Gusto caters to foreigners) and will charge you accordingly. Also, how many of ISG members do frequent Gusto? Very, very few..[/QUOTE]Agree. I find it hilarious that in some FB groups and ISG pages guys preach that you should never pay more than 150 k or 200 k because that's what they paid 10 years ago when they first came and the girls are too stupid to follow the exchange rate. Straight up naive idiots (guys, not girls). The same guys will tell you that 'a girl is a girl,' none are worth more than 200 k ($42) and all will eventually accept that if you stick to your guns. To this I ask, if 'a car is a car,' why do people regularly pay more for a BMW than a Hyundai? Both will get you to the destination. I myself prefer the BMW.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816748]Agree. I find it hilarious that in some FB groups and ISG pages guys preach that you should never pay more than 150 k or 200 k because that's what they paid 10 years ago when they first came and the girls are too stupid to follow the exchange rate. Straight up naive idiots (guys, not girls). The same guys will tell you that 'a girl is a girl,' none are worth more than 200 k ($42) and all will eventually accept that if you stick to your guns. To this I ask, if 'a car is a car,' why do people regularly pay more for a BMW than a Hyundai? Both will get you to the destination. I myself prefer the BMW.[/QUOTE]It all comes down to this. Do I think she is worth her asking rate? Do I see any value in the transaction? If I go to Gusto, and see a true stunner, 10/10, hanging out by the bar, and then she approaches me with a sexy smile, we talk, drink, make out passionately, she rubs on my dick, and then she convinces me to take her home until the morning and says I can do everything I want to her, then yes, most likely, I will pay her rate, whatever that rate is. This is a hypothetical scenario, that never happened. But in reality, I don't see any 10's, nor 9's. Maybe a few 8's on a good day, and a bunch of 7's. I do not see any value in paying 200-300 USD to fuck a 7. If I wanted to fuck a 7, I could easily to it elsewhere for much cheaper. Also, I don't care about paying premium for "convenience" because I am not a weekend warrior and I can afford to pass on any girl and go home with blue balls, because I have plenty of time to fuck on a different day, I'm not desperate to get laid. This is why I rarely visit Gusto, and when I do, I'm not alone but with my buddies who want to check it out or have a drink.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816748]To this I ask, if 'a car is a car,' why do people regularly pay more for a BMW than a Hyundai? Both will get you to the destination. I myself prefer the BMW.[/QUOTE]But pretty soon that German car is going to look good sitting in the driveway due to exorbitant maintenance and pitfall costs, while that Korean joint is still getting you to your destination. I remember my brother could not even open the trunk of his BMW without buying a $400 battery from the stealership. You can run down to Walmart in the middle of the night to get a $90 battery for the Hyundai and put it in yourself in the parking lot. I check Consumer Reports for reliability and other things before I buy a car; same as I check ISG before running around haphazardly to a new mongering place. My sister also bought a Mercedes a few years back and I just shook my head. Right now it is sitting in the driveway rusting away while she is getting to where she needs to go in a VW Beetle.

I've been in Medellin a week and tried Bumble every day but so far I've only gotten one match, with a girl that lives 80 km away and who won't be visiting for another two weeks. I'm pretty sure most chicas just use it to advertise their instagram and never actually use the app. Too bad as there were some 9's and 10's on it.

Meanwhile I still regularly get friend requests on FB, over 700 at this point. Just yesterday an 18-year-old messaged me out of the blue, "Do you like chicas?" Why yes, yes I do. She quickly asked two followup questions: Would I pay for sex and would I like to meet her? It's unusual to have a chica be this forward. She wanted 300 mil + 20 for taxi which I thought was on the high end but her photos were decent and I didn't feel like haggling. I agreed and we met in the afternoon. I was pleased that she was good as her pictures, a thin young morena who still had a nice set of perky tits. She quickly shed her top, I sucked on them for a bit, then she sucked me off for a few minutes. I stripped off her clothes (no baby damage and only a single small tattoo, nice), threw her on the bed and spent 10 minutes eating her out. She must have not had that happen often as she was a little hesitant at first, but as I worked my tongue she mellowed out and began grinding into my face. Her legs squeezed my head as she had her first orgasm. Triumphant, I sat up and stuck my cock in her raw. She made no objection. I then spent the next hour pounding her in various positions: missionary, doggie, cowgirl, pronebone. She really liked the last one and I would periodically feel her pussy squeeze each time she had an orgasm. I really wanted to nut in her but alas my body wouldn't cooperate so I had her finish me off with a BJ and HJ. Definitely one of my more memorable encounters and after she left I spent the rest of the day feeling like an absolute boss. Will definitely try her again--after I've had a few days to recover!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816748]Agree. I find it hilarious that in some FB groups and ISG pages guys preach that you should never pay more than 150 k or 200 k because that's what they paid 10 years ago when they first came and the girls are too stupid to follow the exchange rate. Straight up naive idiots (guys, not girls). The same guys will tell you that 'a girl is a girl,' none are worth more than 200 k ($42) and all will eventually accept that if you stick to your guns. To this I ask, if 'a car is a car,' why do people regularly pay more for a BMW than a Hyundai? Both will get you to the destination. I myself prefer the BMW.[/QUOTE]I agree, and it is not just the car / woman but the circumstances. Do you want to fuck someone on a cardboard bed with the smell of latex and chlorine in the air?

And then there is the pulling the knife, drugging you, and / or stealing from you. Yeah, that is worth saving a few bucks.

Okay, yeah, we have the money but they have the knives, drugs, and police on their side.

There was this guy on here who had a chick pull a knife on him over two fucking dollars. Then there is the guy who was pissed a cabbie tried to rip him off of $2. That same guy tried to bail on a hooker in Bogota and the hooker stole his phone.

Two of the guys pushing for low prices have admitted fucking fat women, pregnant women, and midgets. They think they are getting a bargain but I would not fuck women like that for free.

You are a guest in their country and you think you are going to use your money to overpower them and get them to take less? LOL. Like that is going to work.

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That is up to 6 trips to Colombia for free.

And guys are worried about $2 or an extra $20 for a hooker? How dumb is that?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2816412]LMAO If I could, I would. I don't have a method, nor do I have game. Tpp 10 or 20% is subjective, but yes I would say it's usually top 20% in my eyes. I don't have a special sauce to share other than what I've already said. On days I do Gustos, I don't arrive earlier than 10:30. And I don't know I've stayed later than 1:30. I do drink a bit. (Insert 10 at 2, 2 at 10 joke here) But I am extremely passive. I will almost always wait for the girl to approach me. Don't get me wrong, I don't settle. But simple eye contact and a smile will bring them over soon. I'm patient. And yes, I've lost out on "the one" more than once. That's the price I pay with my method. But I feel like them coming to me gives me at least a little leverage. I usually buy them 1 drink. 2 if I enjoy the banter. My spanish is sufficient to get by with basic conversation. I'm very chill. If there is a secret, that might be it. These girls are comfortable with me. I don't haggle with them. To me, it's counterproductive. I'm not going to ruin the mood over $20. If I don't like the price, I just say no thank you, that's more than I want to spend. I don't have a set price in mind. I go with the flow. I think everyone can understand that if I really enjoy the company of a girl, I'll spend more on her than one that needs to convince me. But I will say 600 k is my cap.

And for what it's worth, I've found they are more likely to negotiate time vs dollars. If I enjoy her company, I don't want an hour. I don't need an all nighter. But I'd rather let things develop vs walking in the door and dropping my pants.

As I said in my original post, I'm sure there are guys that don't want what I want. But I have no secret sauce. I'm sure luck plays apart as well. But I've never paid over 600 k and never ran into a 60 minute clock watcher.[/QUOTE]You don't have a secret sauce because there is none. Your ability to negotiate depends more on external factors rather than on your game or looks:

What time is it? Is the night still young and there are still good chances of finding a paying client or the venue is about to close soon?

Has she already sessioned with someone else? Or has someone else scheduled after?

Guys to girls ratio on that particular night? Maybe too many girls and very few gringos, or vice versa?

Her personal circumstances. How desperate is she? Maybe she has been sick for a couple of weeks and just got back to work to earn some money to pay her past due rent? Or maybe she was visiting a family out of town and just got back in town and needs money for whatever reason? Etc.

How hot is she? Is she in demand and being hit by almost every gringo walking in or just standing in the corner and nobody even paying attention to her?

Only after all of the above, your game (smile, drinks, small talk, etc) comes into play.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816632]If you are stepping into gustos for any reason, you are a sucker.[/QUOTE]Why are you so opposed to gustos? Did you have a bad experience there?

I think it's an awesome establishment, even if you're there just for the eye candy. Like I mentioned in another post, tell me me where else in the world will you find clubs like gustos or Moët / lleras bar that feel like "regular" clubs but are full of hookers? Not strip clubs. Try walking up to any girl at a club in vegas or even in Mexico and ask her how much? And see what happens. Lmao.

Gustos is a great concept and I hope it remains for a very long time.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816748]To this I ask, if 'a car is a car,' why do people regularly pay more for a BMW than a Hyundai? Both will get you to the destination. I myself prefer the BMW.[/QUOTE]BUt in Gustos, you just have Hyundais with a BMW sticker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816759]But pretty soon that German car is going to look good sitting in the driveway due to exorbitant maintenance and pitfall costs, while that Korean joint is still getting you to your destination. I remember my brother could not even open the trunk of his BMW without buying a $400 battery from the stealership. You can run down to Walmart in the middle of the night to get a $90 battery for the Hyundai and put it in yourself in the parking lot. I check Consumer Reports for reliability and other things before I buy a car; same as I check ISG before running around haphazardly to a new mongering place. My sister also bought a Mercedes a few years back and I just shook my head. Right now it is sitting in the driveway rusting away while she is getting to where she needs to go in a VW Beetle.[/QUOTE]Mr. E,

I appreciate all of your contributions and think you get my point. Despite your brother's long-term issues I have had some great luck with BMWs. Granted I now have a Toyota (4 Runner ltd), but if I didn't need something for my kayaking, camping, and surfing gear I'the have a 5-Series.

But I digress For a short term lease or weekend (ie girl for an hour or night) I'm taking the BMW, Porsche, Ferrari or maybe a a classic Corvette (ie Blonde MILF with fake tits LOL) if I'm feeling adventurous. Not a fucking 15 year old rusted Hyundai or Kia with smelly interior and stains. Beyond this I acknowledge that spending more does not assure a good sessions, but I do my due diligence beforehand and speak decent Spanish so I usually have good rapport with the girl, and therefore a nice experience.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816776]Like I mentioned in another post, tell me me where else in the world will you find clubs like gustos or Mot / lleras bar that feel like "regular" clubs but are full of hookers?[/QUOTE]LOL. Dude are you serious right now? There are tons of hooker pickup bars and discos all over the world. In Pattaya there are AT LEAST 10 on Walking Street alone. I will name a few off the top of my head. 808, Candy Shop, Myst, Lucifer, iBar, Insomnia, Republic, Rave, Jannarat, Nasha, Flexx, Tunnel, Mixx. That is 13 on one street off the top of my head and there are more than that on that same street. This is in no way a Medellin Parque Lleras thing. 2 fucking small ass clubs? Really?!

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816776]Why are you so opposed to gustos? Did you have a bad experience there?

I think it's an awesome establishment, even if you're there just for the eye candy. Like I mentioned in another post, tell me me where else in the world will you find clubs like gustos or Mot / lleras bar that feel like "regular" clubs but are full of hookers?
Gustos is a great concept and I hope it remains for a very long time.[/QUOTE]Let me correct you there a bit bro, HELP in Rio (now closed) was the largest of these type of clubs.

Here are few.

Spassos Bangkok (basement of Grand Hyatt) girls there are dressed like they are going to a formal (mostly 8-10's), they have a strict dress code, live music and very upscale.

Brixx Singapore (grand Hyatt basement again) '. Girls from all over the globe including Colombianas.

Hong Kong -forgot name.

You will find fine ass Colombianas at these clubs and 3-4 years ago, they were asking for 100-300 USD. (They were usually the only fine ass latinas in a mostly Asian club)

Blue Marlin San Jose Costa Rica -much like gustos but not as upscale as the ones listed above. Blue marlin was the club that inspired me to travel to Colombia, the finest girls in there were Colombians asking back then 100 USD, Problem?? There were some 5-6's at best also asking for Cien!

[QUOTE=Carrib;2816808]Let me correct you there a bit bro, HELP in Rio (now closed) was the largest of these type of clubs.

Here are few.

Spassos Bangkok (basement of Grand Hyatt) girls there are dressed like they are going to a formal (mostly 8-10's), they have a strict dress code, live music and very upscale.

Brixx Singapore (grand Hyatt basement again) '. Girls from all over the globe including Colombianas.

Hong Kong -forgot name.

You will find fine ass Colombianas at these clubs and 3-4 years ago, they were asking for 100-300 USD. (They were usually the only fine ass latinas in a mostly Asian club)

Blue Marlin San Jose Costa Rica -much like gustos but not as upscale as the ones listed above. Blue marlin was the club that inspired me to travel to Colombia, the finest girls in there were all Colombians asking back then 100 USD, Problem?? There were some 5-6's at best also asking for Cien![/QUOTE]Awesome bit of information, thanks I'm going to have to save this for my travels. I asked this question before but nobody posted anything. I've heard of similar places in Thailand and Costa Rica, sounds awesome.

But my point is, I don't get why gustos get such hate, at least guys like me have that option in gustos who want something more than just the typical escort / stripper experience. I enjoy being able to sit down and have a drink, listen to some music and have the option to physically pick out who I want to talk to, maybe have a drink with and possibly take home, instead of going online & taking my chances on hoping a girl looks like her pictures and will be good company.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816805]Mr. E,

I appreciate all of your contributions and think you get my point. Despite your brother's long-term issues I have had some great luck with BMWs. ...[/QUOTE]German cars need more work in general. If I am going to spend 70 K for a daily driver, I will buy a 70 K Japanese car. German cars have more issues on average. It costs more money and time to maintain. If you compare the number of replacement parts in the first few years, German cars will have higher number.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816776]...

I think it's an awesome establishment, even if you're there just for the eye candy. Like I mentioned in another post, tell me me where else in the world will you find clubs like gustos or Mot / lleras bar that feel like "regular" clubs but are full of hookers? ...[/QUOTE]It's a good American style bar in Medellin and that's about it. It's small. Clubs in Sao Paulo can easily have several bars in one club and each one can be bigger than Gusto. The girls on average are better. LOL. And most girl would go all out to get your business, nothing like Gusto.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816776]Why are you so opposed to gustos? Did you have a bad experience there?

I think it's an awesome establishment, even if you're there just for the eye candy. Like I mentioned in another post, tell me me where else in the world will you find clubs like gustos or Mot / lleras bar that feel like "regular" clubs but are full of hookers? Not strip clubs. Try walking up to any girl at a club in vegas or even in Mexico and ask her how much? And see what happens. Lmao.

Gustos is a great concept and I hope it remains for a very long time.[/QUOTE]I swear people like you and others come to Medellin to pay top dollar for no other reason but to stroke your own ego and impress other guys (kind of gay man). Once again I'll repeat, gustos is not the only place in the city. Its set up its not unique nor exclusive.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2816805]I'm taking the BMW, Porsche, Ferrari or maybe a a classic Corvette (ie Blonde MILF with fake tits LOL) if I'm feeling adventurous. Not a fucking 15 year old rusted Hyundai or Kia with smelly interior and stains. [/QUOTE]Where your car analogy collapses is this. MDE only has 1 car factory and it manufactures both BMW and Hyundai on the same production line using the same materials and production standards. Once assembled, the workers either stick a Hyundai sticker or more flashy BMW sticker on it... Then add a couple of zeros on the price.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816776]Why are you so opposed to gustos? Did you have a bad experience there?

I think it's an awesome establishment, even if you're there just for the eye candy. Like I mentioned in another post, tell me me where else in the world will you find clubs like gustos or Mot / lleras bar that feel like "regular" clubs but are full of hookers? Not strip clubs. Try walking up to any girl at a club in vegas or even in Mexico and ask her how much? And see what happens. Lmao.

Gustos is a great concept and I hope it remains for a very long time.[/QUOTE]Yes I can see why it appeals to you. The term most of us use is "tourist trap". I think of the Parque Lleras area and Gustos as the Times Square of Medellin. (The Times Square of the 70's).

Mr. E, for some the world is a small place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816807]LOL. Dude are you serious right now? There are tons of hooker pickup bars and discos all over the world. In Pattaya there are AT LEAST 10 on Walking Street alone. I will name a few off the top of my head. 808, Candy Shop, Myst, Lucifer, iBar, Insomnia, Republic, Rave, Jannarat, Nasha, Flexx, Tunnel, Mixx. That is 13 on one street off the top of my head and there are more than that on that same street. This is in no way a Medellin Parque Lleras thing. 2 fucking small ass clubs? Really?![/QUOTE]

I have to admit I've never been to Moet, so I cannot compare. As you said, very subjective. But I'll say this. In my opinion, Gustos is filled with 7's and 8's. There are rare 6's. But they also have a few 9's on most nights. And Gustos had the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. She is my "the one that got away". That story is for another time, I suppose. But you raised another good point, which was actually why I responded in this thread. A few posters think we are foolish for setting foot in there. And If my goal was to land the hottest chick I can with the least money spent and the simple transaction approach, I would agree. But like I mentioned in my first reply, we're not all after the same thing. I will stand by my belief that if you sit and talk to her, most importantly let her feel comfortable with you, your experience will be heightened. As Secksee said, sometimes you want to drink and flirt. On the other hand, I have never gone to Centro. Why? Because I don't find a 30 second negotiation and a business transaction fun. Do I think others are stupid for patronizing Centro? Hell no. That's what they like. One size doesn't fit all. And those that criticize methods other than their own are probably missing out.

[QUOTE=Secksee1;2816664]I have never been to Gustos, however, I have used similar "methods" as you have in Moet. While I have been told as high as 300 USD (she was easily one of the most attractive women I have ever laid eyes on but I obviously passed), I have gotten very attractive women out of Moet for 250-300 k COP. My question: In your opinion, are the women in Gustos more attractive than those in Moet. I know attractive is a somewhat relative term, which is why I asked "in your opinion. " While I have regulars and get my women from a variety of places, I do enjoy flirting, a drink, and dancing from time to time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2816861]It's a good American style bar in Medellin and that's about it..[/QUOTE]I guess in a small club you can see the girls more closely.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2816773]You don't have a secret sauce because there is none. Your ability to negotiate depends more on external factors rather than on your game or looks:

What time is it? Is the night still young and there are still good chances of finding a paying client or the venue is about to close soon?

Has she already sessioned with someone else? Or has someone else scheduled after?

Guys to girls ratio on that particular night? Maybe too many girls and very few gringos, or vice versa?

Her personal circumstances. How desperate is she? Maybe she has been sick for a couple of weeks and just got back to work to earn some money to pay her past due rent? Or maybe she was visiting a family out of town and just got back in town and needs money for whatever reason? Etc.

How hot is she? Is she in demand and being hit by almost every gringo walking in or just standing in the corner and nobody even paying attention to her?

Only after all of the above, your game (smile, drinks, small talk, etc) comes into play.[/QUOTE]I would agree with all of that. But again, I can only talk from my experiences. I'd estimate I've landed 15 Gustos girls in the last 12 months. And I'd say it is close to a 50/50 split on that night vs meeting up the next day. The most I've paid is 600 k. (I might have also paid another 50 k for a taxi but I'm not certain.) Those girls ranged from a 7 to a 9 on my scale. The least expensive cost me a dinner plus taxi.

You are right on all of that except one point. To me, the most important factor is her comfort level with you. That opens up more doors than anything.

And I'll add this, not specific to you Miami, but you made a good point. Why are Gustos girls talked about like they are a unicorn? They are just like the others. Yes, generally more attractive as a group. And yes they charge a premium because of where they are. But as you pointed out, they all have problems. They all have needs. I've met girls from many different locations. They're all the same. They're doing their job because they need to make ends meet. We can make it more complex than it is. And if you don't see value in Gustos, don't go. Again, just my experience but the time I've invested and the extra $50 USD I spent, is well worth it.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816944]I swear people like you and others come to Medellin to pay top dollar for no other reason but to stroke your own ego and impress other guys (kind of gay man). Once again I'll repeat, gustos is not the only place in the city. Its set up its not unique nor exclusive.[/QUOTE]For some guys who have never mongered in Asia, Europe, or other South American / Latin countries, there reference base is going to be very limited, hence they may think Gustos is the next best thing besides sliced bread.

And as was mentioned by another poster, the "weekend warriors" are the one's patronizing the place not knowing any better, nor really caring what their spending, and at the end of the day who cares.

It may seem odd to some, but lots of guys who come to Medellin can easily afford Gustos, however they are into the casa's, the SW's in Centro, and Fayboo Chicas, and won't go inside Gustos.

So for guys who don't patronize Gustos, some may chuckle about how guys are getting hosed there, but does it matter, as everybody rolls different.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2816955]Where your car analogy collapses is this. MDE only has 1 car factory and it manufactures both BMW and Hyundai on the same production line using the same materials and production standards. Once assembled, the workers either stick a Hyundai sticker or more flashy BMW sticker on it... Then add a couple of zeros on the price.[/QUOTE]That is why I say nobody would be giving these chicks a bunch of money if they saw them where they are from and live. Who would walk into the ghetto or trailer park of their hometown and offer any chick $200? Take the chick where she is from and slap some clothes and makeup on her and parade her in front of a bunch of horny foreigners and all of a sudden she is Lady Godiva.

Same exact thing happens in Thailand. All those chicks come from rice or rubber farms same as the chick in the picture. The whole farm does not take in but $1200 per year. Throw her on a bus to Bangkok or Pattaya and put a skimpy dress and makeup on her and put her under some flashing colored lights and to all the foreigners she is now worth $100 or more for short time. Guys talking about she is worth this amount or she knows her worth. Like Eddie Murphy said, she was butt naked on a zebra 2 weeks ago. You told her she was worth that. She damn sure was not worth that where she came from.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816812]......But my point is, I don't get why gustos get such hate.......[/QUOTE]I find it quite weird. I have been to Medellin numerous times and have never been to Gustos but I have absolutely no issue with guys going there. Whatever rocks your boat, have fun. There are men who prefer that environment rather than a casa which I like. To each his own. In Colombia I like casas. In Germany I like FKKs. In Thailand I like MPs. Thankfully, we all have different tastes which spreads mongers around rather than all mongers crowding particular venues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816807]LOL. Dude are you serious right now? There are tons of hooker pickup bars and discos all over the world. ![/QUOTE]What I have come to realize is that most dudes just ain't never been nowhere. You hear stuff like this from guys in Sosua all the time I'm like you guys just don't know.

This is not a argumentative post. LOL. Just thoughts.

Is it not unfair to paint all Gustos patrons with the same stroke? In other words, I could see people going their for a variety of reasons: it's fairly safe and easy, it paints itself as high end and can therefore be a part of someone's "high end" experience, some patron are foolish suckers, some patrons go there as a kind of tourist attraction not too different from seeing Fisherman's Wharf in SF or Times Square in NY, some patrons like to club and drink and flirt, and I imagine there are more reasons. Seeing everyone who go to a place like a Gustos as fools and weekend warriors is not entirely different than the way the larger public tries it's best to paint all of us predators who take advantage of powerless women. While there are those who are predatorial, I have met enough of us in person to know that is not the case for most.

I have not been to Gustos but I have been to other clubs in that area (Moet when I wanted to drink and flirt and another 2 when I just wanted to see their vibe). I have taken a girl out of Moet twice because both times, we had great vibes. I have also been up and down Lleras Park, which has been hit or miss for me. I have gone to El Centro, which I did not like one bit. It was not about safety for me. I travel a lot and El Centro is no where near on my top 5 most dangerous areas I have been. I didn't like it for other reasons. I have been to casas (mostly good for me). I have met prepagos. I have met them on facebook, Seeking, and tinder. I know there are lot of tinder fears here but that has been my favorite tool. I have even been to overly expensive La Isla because I wanted to just look at a bunch of naked women. I have paid as low as 80,000 COP and as high 400,000 COP. I say all of that to say, I chose different things for different reasons and different experiences and I assume others do as well.

While there are groups of people offering a lot, weekend warriors, and fools, no one thing alters the market. I've talked with a bunch chicas, real conversation because my spanish is decent, and quite a few of them have mentioned that they have friends and family who travel doing this work and they make more. The Colombianas who work in casas in the US, those in Mexico, those in countries in Europe, Canada, Panama even. Now, we can argue over why a chica in the US might deserve more, they often do not. And there are other market forces besides that.

Lastly, why yall argue so much over getting pussy? I use this as a tool for information and I am befuddled with all of the arguments. I truly thank yall for opening the door through providing information and allowing me to find my way.

Out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816984]That is why I say nobody would be giving these chicks a bunch of money if they saw them where they are from and live. Who would walk into the ghetto or trailer park of their hometown and offer any chick $200? Take the chick where she is from and slap some clothes and makeup on her and parade her in front of a bunch of horny foreigners and all of a sudden she is Lady Godiva.

Same exact thing happens in Thailand. All those chicks come from rice or rubber farms same as the chick in the picture. The whole farm does not take in but $1200 per year. Throw her on a bus to Bangkok or Pattaya and put a skimpy dress and makeup on her and put her under some flashing colored lights and to all the foreigners she is now worth $100 or more for short time. Guys talking about she is worth this amount or she knows her worth. Like Eddie Murphy said, she was butt naked on a zebra 2 weeks ago. You told her she was worth that. She damn sure was not worth that where she came from.[/QUOTE]What's the point you are trying to make? She is not worth that where she came from because there are no paying clients there, zero demand. By your logic, just because she came from a poor barrio or from a farm, she is worthless or close to worthless simply because nobody would pay her there and any monger should also pay her peanuts, because she is poor. You never heard of supply and demand? Girls get those rates because they can. Because, we, paying customers, are willing to pay those rates. Basic economics.

Apparently you can't get out of pussy is pussy mentality. You don't see any difference between a cheap ugly SW from El Centro and a classy high end dama de compania from El Poblado.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]What's the point you are trying to make? She is not worth that where she came from because there are no paying clients there, zero demand. ...[/QUOTE]Mr E is basically right. To me, it has to do with most of them derived their value from their customers. They don't have any skills or even future potential for any good paying jobs. They would rather sit on their ass all day waiting for higher paying customer while wasting their time at home. To me, the way to make more money is to work more and harder in their situation. This logic escape them but it is more common in Asia.

If the girl has a good paying job, has other options but she choose to sell sex for a living because she can make more, that is a different story altogether. I simply don't see this case for most girls we interact in Medellin, Seeking maybe. If a girl has skill, and choose to sell sex to support her education, that is also different. I met a few in Brazil but never in Medellin. The photo is an 18 yr old. She makes most of her own clothes, including the this full leather outfit. I did not even buy her drink, and I tested drive her enough before taking her. The drawback with girls like this is they are often busy for their goal. It's harder to arrange appointment. I never encounter similar problem in Medellin. LOL.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816812]A... I asked this question before but nobody posted anything. ....[/QUOTE]I answer many questions. Your questions often are rudimentary but you don't seen even make an effort to look at the context to find your answer given that you are not a new member.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2816982]For some guys who have never mongered in Asia, Europe, or other South American / Latin countries, there reference base is going to be very limited, hence they may think Gustos is the next best thing besides sliced bread.

And as was mentioned by another poster, the "weekend warriors" are the one's patronizing the place not knowing any better, nor really caring what their spending, and at the end of the day who cares.

It may seem odd to some, but lots of guys who come to Medellin can easily afford Gustos, however they are into the casa's, the SW's in Centro, and Fayboo Chicas, and won't go inside Gustos.

So for guys who don't patronize Gustos, some may chuckle about how guys are getting hosed there, but does it matter, as everybody rolls different.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Surfer. This was my point. Who cares why some people go to Gustos? As I said earlier, I know Centro isn't for me based on reports. I actually do like specific casas and have had success with Fayboo. It's an odd phenomenon on this board. My first trip to Medellin years ago, I stayed at the mansion. People jumped all over that for one reason or another. Someone said it's about bragging. Well, why would I or anyone care about scoring brownie points with some board nickname I'll never meet? Variety is the spice of life. I don't spend 2 seconds worrying about where other mongers shop. I've always said, the value of this board is immense. But that value is because of the variety. We are better off knowing what places are like and what others' experiences are. Because then, we can all choose our own methods.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]By your logic, just because she came from a poor barrio or from a farm, she is worthless or close to worthless simply because nobody would pay her there and any monger should also pay her peanuts, because she is poor. You never heard of supply and demand? Girls get those rates because they can. Because, we, paying customers, are willing to pay those rates. Basic economics.[/QUOTE]There was no demand when she was sitting in the hood. To guys there, she was just a normal chick like all the others. The demand only came when foreigners entered the picture.

The same thing happened in South Africa. Those rocks sat in the ground for thousands of years and nobody paid attention to them. They were just like every other rock until De Beers came along and convinced people they should pay a lot of money for this "special" rock. Go try to sell one of those rocks back to the person you bought it from and they will laugh in your face. Go tell some of those barrio people that this chick is worth $200 to fuck and they will do the same.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]You don't see any difference between a cheap ugly SW from El Centro and a classy high end dama de compania from El Poblado.[/QUOTE]Which one of those chicks at Gustos is actually FROM Poblado? That is the exact point JT was making. They are not classy and are only high end due to the exorbitant amount that foreigners have paid. Either here or facebook someone was mentioning coca. It is cheap among the locals in Colombia, same as those Gustos girls. I remember a girl at a club in Santa Fe telling me the small bag she was using cost 10,000 pesos. But enter the rich foreigner and they are going to charge at least 5 times more.

We know it is an illusion, and we are clever to forget it, but we all know the story.

We want a pretty young girl because we are somehow genetically programmed for that.

We want to feel she desires us, and this is not only for our self estime, but again, genetically programmed.

We want to feel that with 10 minutes of our salary we can have a girl (el Centro girl), so we feel we are powerful and can have as many girls as we want.

We want to feel we can get the most beautiful of the school, because if we can get the most beautiful and desirable girl, it means we can have all of them.

I recognize I'm in all these "we", sometime more in a group, sometime in another.

Now, "desire" is what we want, "logic" is how to get it in the simplest way.

The problem in our hobby, is that if we only think about the rational logic, then we forget the fun and the desire.

I never expect that a monger is fully rational about his hobby, otherwise there is no more fun.

I love the read all the different opinions from this community, they teach me new ways to dream and have fun.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2816812]But my point is, I don't get why gustos get such hate, at least guys like me have that option in gustos who want something more than just the typical escort / stripper experience. I enjoy being able to sit down and have a drink, listen to some music and have the option to physically pick out who I want to talk to, maybe have a drink with and possibly take home, instead of going online & taking my chances on hoping a girl looks like her pictures and will be good company.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. I like to talk to a chica, and maybe even hang out and party together, as part of the overall package. An alternative to Gustos for me has been to pick a SW from Calle 10 and invite her for a drink at Lleras Town. I get to practice my Spanish, the music's not too loud and we share a drink or two before I have to decide. If I like her, we can talk about a deal for the night in a low key environment after she already trusts me. If not, rinse and repeat.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]Apparently you can't get out of pussy is pussy mentality. You don't see any difference between a cheap ugly SW from El Centro and a classy high end dama de compania from El Poblado.[/QUOTE]And apparently you can't get simple analogies. No one made the strawman claim that you criticise.

Last minute trip and trying Facebook for the first time this time, I've only got 2 weeks so my set up will be limited.

So far I have a few positive conversations going on over the last week. The girls have not jumped at the suggestion of "mutually beneficial date" or the various ways I've tried to softly suggest p4 p. But they have remained curious and are asking for specifics. Which I am taking as a good sign as my preference is to have the old tinder experience before it became full of scams. So mainly semi-pros vs the pros. For that I'd just use a escort listing site or visit an establishment. One girl even thought I was her friend playing a trick on her LOL. I'm not sure if she's acting or not but it was funny.

Is this similar to what most people experience when talking with the girls on FB? I was wondering if I've hit the correct network of girls others seem to mention here and it being unique to Medellin. The reason I ask is so far this just feels like it would be in any other city. Messaging girls trying to convince them of a "sugar date" or whatever. In my experience many young hot girls anywhere in the world are open for that.

I'll also share here that you can search by anything on facebook like their job and then filter on city. So it doesn't have to just be by common girls names or via friends lists. I've seen girls with prepagos in their bio and it is searchable. It's interesting if that's what you're looking for but to me that's just a pro and why not use one of the listing sites than fiddle with facebook. But searching for jobs like dancer (in spanish) or modelo or whatever you are attracted to might help find what you're looking for. Again early days for me, just sharing what I've discovered.

In my previous post I mentioned I am doing some last minute facebooking for a last minute trip. I also have a fake instagram which was already following a bunch of Colombian girls in Medellin, mainly in the webcam / OF / IG Influencer type girls. I decided to mass message them since my FB is going to be limited.

The results are 35 messages in a week, 1 response. She politely declined a meeting of any kind. I didn't expect much from this but thought I'd run the experiment and share here. My theory is that these girls accounts are essentially a funnel to their online paid channels, and they're either not checking DMs / DMs are swamped with worldwide simps or very likely not even interested in p4 p since they make enough money online. I have another experiment I want to try which is trying to find these girls on escort sites via AI image searches, but it's going to be hard to know if they're a real ad or just stolen photos (I will share later the tools I plan to use as it can be good for doing background checks / scam checks, kind of like reverse image search).

While it would be awesome to get one of the hot girls I see on my social feed that I've fantasied over, my guess is that for these webcam / stripper looking types I'm sooner better off at Fase dos or lutron anyway and just accept that it's basically the same thing.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2817071]And apparently you can't get simple analogies. No one made the strawman claim that you criticise.[/QUOTE]MB thinks strata 6 women with money and passports are in need of his money / companionship.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817021]Apparently you can't get out of pussy is pussy mentality. You don't see any difference between a cheap ugly SW from El Centro and a classy high end dama de compania from El Poblado.[/QUOTE]But your comparison is invalid. An attractive hooker in Centro though, and there are plenty, especially in the clubs and casas when dressed up and made up and transported to a club in El Poblado suddenly becomes "high end" and "classy," while virtually all these girls including the ones you chase are from Manrique, Aranjuez and the like. But guys like you always miss the point while you dig in and fight to the death here because you want to feel superior as well as good about the $ you are spending. That said do as you like. You don't have to justify it to anyone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816984]That is why I say nobody would be giving these chicks a bunch of money if they saw them where they are from and live. Who would walk into the ghetto or trailer park of their hometown and offer any chick $200? Take the chick where she is from and slap some clothes and makeup on her and parade her in front of a bunch of horny foreigners and all of a sudden she is Lady Godiva.

Same exact thing happens in Thailand. All those chicks come from rice or rubber farms same as the chick in the picture. The whole farm does not take in but $1200 per year. Throw her on a bus to Bangkok or Pattaya and put a skimpy dress and makeup on her and put her under some flashing colored lights and to all the foreigners she is now worth $100 or more for short time. Guys talking about she is worth this amount or she knows her worth. Like Eddie Murphy said, she was butt naked on a zebra 2 weeks ago. You told her she was worth that. She damn sure was not worth that where she came from.[/QUOTE]I agree man. These "Johns" have no real business sense. It's almost ridicules. In short stop over paying for something that is abundant! It is not that hard to comprehend, we got the dollars they need let every man please start acting like it. Por favor.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2816955]Where your car analogy collapses is this. MDE only has 1 car factory and it manufactures both BMW and Hyundai on the same production line using the same materials and production standards. Once assembled, the workers either stick a Hyundai sticker or more flashy BMW sticker on it... Then add a couple of zeros on the price.[/QUOTE]Not only you fail to understand the difference between girls, you also fail to realize the difference between BMW and Hyundai, or between any premium German car maker and mass market Korean car maker. Reliability issues aside, premium German cars give you much more comfort, better design, style, faster acceleration, and speed. You have to be blind to not notice the difference. Simply put, you are buying not only a car, but a luxury toy that gives you a shit ton of joy. Are German cars more expensive to buy and maintain? Sure they are. Just the way stunning girls are more expensive to maintain. But you get what you pay for. Both brands produce cars that will take you to your destination, virtually any woman that is up to your standards can make you climax. The difference is how you get there. And if you dont understand that, go ahead and use public transportation, and fuck you SW crack heads, more power to you.

PS. Why even discuss reliability issues? When you pay a girl for sex, you are essentially renting her body or buying her time. So to compare apples to apples, we should’t discuss renting vs purchasing. When you RENT a bmw, reliability issues are non of your concern, as well as maintenance and all other shit. You rent a premium car and you fucking enjoy it.

So this is my second trip, my first was just to Medellin. This time I landed first in Cartagena to do some Scuba diving off the island. (I travel to do and see things). So made my plans for my scuba trip as I was only in Cartagena from Friday to Sunday. Would have like to do a bike tour but I arrived too late on Friday and left too early on Sunday to do that. Landed and took about little over an hour to get thru immigration as that was a long line going back and forth. Was able to get an UBER from the airport to my airbab (unlike Medellin you have to do a taxi). Uber came quick as everyone was trying to taxi me up asking for $20 telling me it was so far away. I think my uber fare was like $5 or $6 usd. There was quite a bit of traffic in the city getting to my place. My airbnb was modern but 3 flights of stairs. Its was pretty cheap but lacking in some areas. I bring my firestick with me as I use a programmer with a build and I get everything on it so I travel with it. Well for some reason on their tv the firestick would recognize for a minute and then be gone. So no tv for me, no big deal I was out most of the time. My place was guest friendly (separate entrance from the main house to 2 different apartments) Air con fan wasn't strong enough (I like to sleep cold) bathrooms were super tiny but 2 of them as it was a 2 bedroom. No can / bottle opener, no paper towers but hey at only $55 a night I can't complain too much. I also used an ESIM thru Airalo which is only data unless you get on wifi then you can make calls thru what'sapp and maybe FaceTime. It's easy to use no physical card you different packages to choose from. I usually don't make phone calls just need data for google maps, translate, WhatsApp, facebook and so forth.

So first night I walked to clock tower which isn't far from where I stayed. Went to one of the roof top bars overlooking clock tower area. Was able to catch some of the NBA playoffs and watched from above. Walked around a bit and you can always tell where the clubs are as in front of them really packed. The police keep riding up on their motorcycle to keep moving ladies if they were just standing around the clock tower area. Had a few drinks enjoyed the sites and headed back to sleep as I had an early scuba diving day.

Scuba diving was good and a small fast boat with about 8 to 10. The diving was good but didn't see a lot of sea life compared to Thailand when I dive. Had fun and made it back to and headed to my airbnb. Rested a bit, relaxed and then headed out to a nice dinner. I went back to roof top bar to catch the Laker game. Had a few drinks as it was packed there, the waiter remembered me from the night before and all the seats were taken. He asked a guy sitting by himself at a table is I could sit with him. He was cool with it. Another american, I offered to buy him a drink for his gesture but he said it was ok. Chatted with him for a bit an he was off. I then headed down to walk around. Walked around quite a few girls smiling as I walked. I sat at a little small bar that had a small couch out front. It gave me a chance to watch the women come by. A short cute girl in regular clothes was with her friends and sat down and started grinding on me. She seemed cool, bought her a drink and her friends left. We went inside the bar for awhile and off to my airbnb. Unforgetable experience. She got a crappy attitude saying charging for multiple positions and yada yada. Then asking for a tip. I give her a small amount a uber'd her away, just to get her gone.

Woke up the next day and off the the airport I went. Started posting on FB on my flight to Medellin. Had a few girls on my list from before but seemed some weren't going to pan out. Got to Medellin and taxi'd to my airbnb Energy living (I stayed last time and really nice place with security, pool, gyn, good views and upper scale residence.) Started trying to hit some girls up. Got to see a girl from before.

Estefania Carmona, she came over but this time it was like she was bored and just not that great. I would pass on her. She is petite fun last time, kinda shy but just laid there this time. Funny these girls hit you up the day after wanting a date again. (I'm like to myself nahh).

Monday I'm lazing around get some coffee early my own I make and hit the gym upstairs. Start talking to a few ladies, a few from before went pro, one who is a civie I was really trying to meet up with but it never happened. I had some dinner but the ones I talked with either never got back to me as they probably got scheduled and I took too long to decide. Oh well, watched the new guardians of Galaxy and had rappi deliver.

I ended up hitting up a Casa my first time. It was ellas erotic?? Something like that. All the girls there looked good. I had a good experience but forgot the girls name stacey, alex, I forgot but she was really good and spoke a bit of english one of the better experiences.

Next day I had been messaging Laura cristina and planning to meet as she was going to take me around like a tour guide to Comuna. Well I get a message at home my upstairs bedroom flooded, ugh so I spent the first half of the day dealing with that texting and on the phone. The girl started giving me the business when they text you, become a bit needy and pushy at times. I understand they need money but I tell ladies if you keep irritating me while I"m busy I will just block you and there will be no date for sure. So she chilled a bit. (told her I was having issues and wasn't sure If we could meet up) Finally settled on a time and guess what I almost left the hotel as it was like 2 hours later with no response. As I was telling her I left hotel she literally texted me she was at my airbnb. The bad part is she didn't have a physical ID. They won't left people in with copies of just the I. The. So we took an uber to Comuna 13, it was like almost 7 pm and I told her I had dinner plans at 9. I really only planned just to use her for the tour and catch up with another girl. Her english was ok my spanish even less. We had a good time walking around Comuna 13 as no crowds as it was late. I got her some food and she said she uses a place called the LOV suites. So decided to take her up on it. It was 300 mil for the whole time with the tour and being with her. We got to the suites nice clean place, you could smell the bleach. LOL pron was on the tv. She is a petite girl and as were going at it she said 100 more for anal. I was like ok. LOL Did the deed and I uber'd her back to her place. I wanted dinner so was going to uber to Tony Romas but didn't realize her trip needed to be finished before I could use uber and her place was like 25 minutes away. So finally got a taxi to Tony romas rotating restaurant. I was starving at that point. Had dinner then back to my place to crash. I think she was also a see again girl. I would recommend.

I had a massage already scheduled the next morning before I left at 10-1130 as check out is at 12. Her name is Lexi and she does an erotinuru massage. I saw her last time and she remembered me. Had a good time and sent me off with a smile.

Inboxed a few guys about Cartagena and they mentioned FB isn't the way to go its seeking or tinder which I didn't use. Clock tower has a good amount of women but just way out in the open. I didn't go to the park in Medellin as some have said the women might not be there not sure about that. I also got a really good massage at Sports massage Medellin if you are looking for different types deep tissue, sports, cupping and so forth (used them last time also) RAppi works well and uber. Maybe head back at the end of the year. Next stop Philippines for diving.

Good day,

An excited first timer heading to Medellin this Tuesday at a local AirBnB in El Poblado. I've been searching for more details on casas around El Poblado, as I intend to make the pilgrimage to Gutsos to see what all the fuss is about, and take a long week to safely explore this option. With "casas" a common term, I get everything or nothing as I navigate the site. I'd thought to earn a whisker or two in El Centro, but I don't think I'm there out of the box just yet. Thanks and a tip of the hat to you all for providing the forum and info to make the trip a reality.

[QUOTE=Southerngent85;2817111]Good day,

An excited first timer heading to Medellin this Tuesday at a local AirBnB in El Poblado. I've been searching for more details on casas around El Poblado, as I intend to make the pilgrimage to Gutsos to see what all the fuss is about, and take a long week to safely explore this option. With "casas" a common term, I get everything or nothing as I navigate the site. I'd thought to earn a whisker or two in El Centro, but I don't think I'm there out of the box just yet. Thanks and a tip of the hat to you all for providing the forum and info to make the trip a reality.[/QUOTE]El Centro is worth a visit during the day. Lleras Parque is more of a late night destination.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2817082]But your comparison is invalid. An attractive hooker in Centro though, and there are plenty, especially in the clubs and casas when dressed up and made up and transported to a club in El Poblado suddenly becomes "high end" and "classy," while virtually all these girls including the ones you chase are from Manrique, Aranjuez and the like. But guys like you always miss the point while you dig in and fight to the death here because you want to feel superior as well as good about the $ you are spending. That said do as you like. You don't have to justify it to anyone.[/QUOTE]While I agree that El Poblado specifically might be a bit of a stretch, but over the years I have meet plenty of girls from other decent neighborhoods. Envigado, Laureles, Itaqui, Sabaneta. In Bogota, I have met girls from Chapinero and Usaquen. Most of the girls from nicer neighborhoods that I have met don't sell pussy for living, but don't mind p4 p or companionship or tavel. On average, they are more intelligent, well travelled, well mannered and fun. Some do speak English. And overall, are much better company than your average dumb chick from Manrique or Aranjuez, who prefers, as other poster pointed out, to sit on a couch all day messaging her FB contacts, trying to find a sucker who pays the most. You guys fail to understand that "high end" and "classy" doesn't only mean looks, fancy clothes and makeup, but also the ability to hold a interesting or meaningful conversation (and for this, she needs to have some brains), the correct use of manners, confidence, sexual charisma, the ability to travel and maintain healthy lifestyle. This is what you pay premium for.

You can get the girl out of the ghetto, but the ghetto can't get out of the girl.

Heck, most of the barrio girls can't even dress properly for a date. They have absolutely no taste, no sense of style. Countless times I was embarrassed to be with them out in public, or embarrassed to bring them over to my place. Damn, If you know we are going out to dinner, put a fucking dress and heels on, doesn't have to be designer's dress or something, just a plain, basic cheap dress or a skirt. Instead, she shows up in a see through top, and thigh high over knee boots that literally screams "Hoe!" or some oversized baggy ripped jeans covered with crystals and shit, big ass sneakers and backpack. Seriously? Not to mention tattoos, which I don't mind here and there, but tatts on her face? Fists? Neck? That's so ghetto. Are you a fucking mafia or something? LOL. How about purple or green hair? 2 inch nails or 1 inch eyelashes? Or the makeup is so excessive that she looks like a female clown? Most do use drugs, smoke cigarettes and smell like ashtray, just disgusting. Even if a chick is naturally attractive, all of the above ruins my desire to fuck her.

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2817094]I agree man. These "Johns" have no real business sense. It's almost ridicules.[/QUOTE]If you do not like the price, then do not play the game.

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2817094]IIn short stop over paying for something that is abundant! It is not that hard to comprehend, we got the dollars they need let every man please start acting like it. Por favor.[/QUOTE]If guys are paying $200 for women who are midgets, pregnant, average looking, or cannot apply makeup, then yeah, guys need to stop paying that.

On the other hand, I met a seeking woman for a drink. She was smoking hot and wanted $140 for two hours, and we went at it bare three times. In fact, she was so fucking good I called her back and did her again.

Maybe I could have gotten her down some but I got the impression that she was low volume and that was the minimum she would take, and I did not want to risk negotiating.

And you are saying I paid too much and shouldn't have fucked her? I tell you what. Guys spend their money how they see fit and if you do not like the prices, use your hand.

Are you seriously telling guys what to do when some hottie is in front of them? LOL. Yeah, I am sure that is gong to work. / sarc.

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Finally met Sofia last week from* photoprepagos after communicating on WA. It was a pain in the ass because she takes to long to answer you back on WA or never gives you all the info one would think you would need to make an expedient* transaction instead of all the nonsense of going back and fourth of* her not giving necessary info. When I first text her she sends the generic post (like most of the girls on prepagos do) what she charges and a brief synopsis of what and why you should use her services. But she leaves out her hours and address. I was first interested in her because when you view the map section for her ad her address comes close to Botero plaza. Right at the corner of calle 52 and Avenida Oriental only a few blocks from Hotel Nutibara. So I message her last night and ask her for the hours she worked and she finally says she finishes at 8 pm. Then I thought ok maybe I'll visit her tomorrow so then of course I have to ask her when she starts and she says 11 am. I ask what the address was and she messaged "I am located in front of the quarto brigade cielo stadium medellin. I thought what Kind of address is that and its definitely not where it is according to her ad. So I put the address she provided me in google maps and sure enough it came up with a building. So I figured she would give me the apt number when I showed up. So I finally make it to the building. I then text her that I was outside her building. She text back "I'm glad your here" but you need an appointment my love. So I asked when is the soonest I could see her she said in 40 minutes. I text her "ok that's fine,* see you in 40 minutes" so I then walked around the area and realized spa Energy was right around the corner on calle 74. I figured great I'll kill some time seeing the line up at Energy. The girls were a mix of 5, 6's and 7's add or subtract depending on your taste. 30 mins later I looked at my phone and noticed she texted me another address. I thought what the hell is going on here. What is she playing at. Anyways at least it was close by in Laureles I guess. It was further up Calle 50 near Carrera 80. I finally get to the address. I went to the door and knocked and it was slightly opened. I heard a girls voice and went inside and there was like maybe 7 girls inside. They were raising their voice in Spanish and I believe they were saying "what are you doing in here you can't be here" Then I mentioned Sofia's name and they said ok (I guess she was getting ready). So they led me up to a room that had a red light on (you could barely see anything). So I looked for a light switch to see if there was a regular light where I could actually see what she look like once she came in the room. While I was standing in the doorway one of the girls was standing a few feet away so I pointed to the light and told I her that's not going to cut it I need a real light. Then the girls were raising their voices (I mean how dare I make such a request to see what I'm fucking, let alone say anything at all) and then Sofia comes out I guess to see what the ruckus was about and she was standing at the foot of the stair case naked. She did have big tits like in the pictures in her ad and it was quite errotic seeing her in the staircase naked with her tits shaking as she was bickering away with the other girls about our disagreement with the lighting. Anyways She said forget it and So I said fuck it and walk down the stairs and out the door. I wasn't going to screw her in a barely lit, dark red room. I didn't get an up close look at her but what I seen from around 25 ft away she had nice tits and a mole on the side of her face. She was definitely fuckable from what I seen but she didn't look as good as her photos. She had an attitude like most of the girls that were in there. She charged 150 k for an hour and then 350 k for out call service. 200 k extra for her to meet you at your place. What is she going to do about the lighting situation when she shows up to your place, bring the red bulb with her. Anyhow I decided to walked down to carrera 74 near the stadium to Energy, but then I started to think that I was all ready there and if I asked for another presentation they might tell me get lost since I didn't chose anyone a moment ago. So I decided I would return to Energy the following day and just visit the place right next door to it. I ended up choosing the same girl I had last trip there for 150 k. Good session I was finished in 15 min. Just when I though the session was done she asks me if I wanted a back massage. I agreed since I had almost 40 mins left. She went out the room and returned with a massage gun and I thought wow never had this treatment at a casa before. Anyways the massage lasted 20 min with her hands, massage gun and all. What a way to end a really good session. I wish all casa girls or sessions ended this way. I thought let me friend her on FB, because Im tired of all this other BS nonsense from the girls. I generally never did repeat performances through casa girls, but for quite a while I changed my mind on it because a lot of this is way more miss than hit and I rather get what I want from the same girl then going through tedious odds of all these different girls to get the service and treatment I want.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817172]Heck, most of the barrio girls can't even dress properly for a date. They have absolutely no taste, no sense of style. Countless times I was embarrassed to be with them out in public, or embarrassed to bring them over to my place. Damn, If you know we are going out to dinner, put a fucking dress and heels on, doesn't have to be designer's dress or something, just a plain, basic cheap dress or a skirt. Instead, she shows up in a see through top, and thigh high over knee boots that literally screams "Hoe!" or some oversized baggy ripped jeans covered with crystals and shit, big ass sneakers and backpack. Seriously? Not to mention tattoos, which I don't mind here and there, but tatts on her face? Fists? Neck? That's so ghetto. Are you a fucking mafia or something? LOL. How about purple or green hair? 2 inch nails or 1 inch eyelashes? Or the makeup is so excessive that she looks like a female clown? Most do use drugs, smoke cigarettes and smell like ashtray, just disgusting. Even if a chick is naturally attractive, all of the above ruins my desire to fuck her.[/QUOTE]Oh no miamiboy, I didn't take you for the kind of guy to hang out with those type of chicks, that's a big no no for me, fortunately for me the girls I've taken out to dinner so far in medellin dressed really nice, and appropriate. No crazy tattoos either.

My girls all look cara, bitchy, classy, en cuatro fantastic lmao like the Feid song that's popular right now, bitches love that song.

[QUOTE=AfternoonSnack;2817063]I'm with you. I like to talk to a chica, and maybe even hang out and party together, as part of the overall package. An alternative to Gustos for me has been to pick a SW from Calle 10 and invite her for a drink at Lleras Town. I get to practice my Spanish, the music's not too loud and we share a drink or two before I have to decide. If I like her, we can talk about a deal for the night in a low key environment after she already trusts me. If not, rinse and repeat.[/QUOTE]Where is lleras town? Is that the same place as lleras park bar? I haven't explored the sw's mainly because I'm not trying to get drugged. I've heard you should avoid them. But I've also heard they pretty much try to charge you the same as the club girls so I haven't bothered, maybe if one really caught my eye that might be a possibility but so far none haven't. I imagine that's more likely to happen in Cartagena, since I've seen some attractive sw's in videos of Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2816944]I swear people like you and others come to Medellin to pay top dollar for no other reason but to stroke your own ego and impress other guys (kind of gay man). Once again I'll repeat, gustos is not the only place in the city. Its set up its not unique nor exclusive.[/QUOTE]Why would I care what others think? Lmao.

If you really want to know what sounds gay. Is criticizing other men on the choices they make, dude who cares, let them be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816807]LOL. Dude are you serious right now? There are tons of hooker pickup bars and discos all over the world. In Pattaya there are AT LEAST 10 on Walking Street alone. I will name a few off the top of my head. 808, Candy Shop, Myst, Lucifer, iBar, Insomnia, Republic, Rave, Jannarat, Nasha, Flexx, Tunnel, Mixx. That is 13 on one street off the top of my head and there are more than that on that same street. This is in no way a Medellin Parque Lleras thing. 2 fucking small ass clubs? Really?![/QUOTE]Yes most of us know about pattaya, I was referring more to Latin women, other than maybe Costa Rica & Brazil I haven't heard of many clubs like gustos that are full of hookers. Definitely at least not as popular, otherwise I would have seen videos on YouTube by now. Any clubs full of hookers in North America, what about in DR? Europe? All I hear about is fkks.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2817076]Last minute trip and trying Facebook for the first time this time, I've only got 2 weeks so my set up will be limited.

[/QUOTE]I spent a year wishing them happy birthday, saying they are pretty on their posts etc before meeting them and that felt like meeting a girlfriend as she knew who I was through my posts.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2817132]El Centro is worth a visit during the day. Lleras Parque is more of a late night destination.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the note, plan on making the rounds to both.

[QUOTE=Southerngent85;2817111]Good day,

An excited first timer heading to Medellin this Tuesday at a local AirBnB in El Poblado. I've been searching for more details on casas around El Poblado, as I intend to make the pilgrimage to Gutsos to see what all the fuss is about, and take a long week to safely explore this option. With "casas" a common term, I get everything or nothing as I navigate the site. I'd thought to earn a whisker or two in El Centro, but I don't think I'm there out of the box just yet. Thanks and a tip of the hat to you all for providing the forum and info to make the trip a reality.[/QUOTE]Poblado is a big place, the biggest of the 16 or so comunas of Medellin. I don't know of any casas in Poblado. The term is used for places similar to MPs in other countries, or brothel sorts of places. But the term "casa" will not bring up anything in a search as it just means "house". So there are many of these in centro, but also a number in other parts of the city such as Estadio / Laureles. There are lots of posts in this forum about the various casas, and maps, etc. Can be searched and found.

Casas, in my opinion, are a great starting point in Medellin. They are safe, and once you read up on the various ones you may want to visit the way they operate is pretty clear. And much safer than trying to pick up a girl on the street in the parque Lleras area, or in centro area.

Gustos is like a shark tank, plus when you get to your room with the girl you have the same safety issue as any street girl, at multiple times the price. But still an interesting experience as it shows you that end of the "market". There will be some beautiful chicas, well dressed, and in a little world where many of the clients have no idea of the real marketplace. My first exposure to Gustos was when a chica I had been with a couple of days earlier for 200 k was asking over $200 US at Gustos. (I met her at the mansion and typical rates there were 150 k, so she had a bit of a premium price there at 200 K). Anyway, she fit in at Gustos, but also fit in at the Mansion at 20% of the price. And she was happy with either. That is the marketplace.

Great advice, and guys should not hesitate to ask girls they like for their phone numbers so they can hook up during off hours. Think of it as a more efficient, lest costly version of the facebook scene.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2817264]Poblado is a big place, the biggest of the 16 or so comunas of Medellin. I don't know of any casas in Poblado. The term is used for places similar to MPs in other countries, or brothel sorts of places. But the term "casa" will not bring up anything in a search as it just means "house". So there are many of these in centro, but also a number in other parts of the city such as Estadio / Laureles. There are lots of posts in this forum about the various casas, and maps, etc. Can be searched and found.

Casas, in my opinion, are a great starting point in Medellin. They are safe, and once you read up on the various ones you may want to visit the way they operate is pretty clear. And much safer than trying to pick up a girl on the street in the parque Lleras area, or in centro area..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817172]Heck, most of the barrio girls can't even dress properly for a date. They have absolutely no taste, no sense of style. Countless times I was embarrassed to be with them out in public, or embarrassed to bring them over to my place. Damn, If you know we are going out to dinner, put a fucking dress and heels on, doesn't have to be designer's dress or something, just a plain, basic cheap dress or a skirt. Instead, she shows up in a see through top, and thigh high over knee boots that literally screams "Hoe!" or some oversized baggy ripped jeans covered with crystals and shit, big ass sneakers and backpack. Seriously? Not to mention tattoos, which I don't mind here and there, but tatts on her face? Fists? Neck? That's so ghetto. Are you a fucking mafia or something? LOL. How about purple or green hair? 2 inch nails or 1 inch eyelashes? Or the makeup is so excessive that she looks like a female clown? Most do use drugs, smoke cigarettes and smell like ashtray, just disgusting. Even if a chick is naturally attractive, all of the above ruins my desire to fuck her.[/QUOTE]You have to keep in mind that taking a barrio girl out of the barrio can be like taking a fish out of water which I have experienced on several occasions.

If your into barrio girls, and are going to dine with them outside of the barrio, then you need to tell them how to dress as many will be clueless.

I've on occasions had to tell girls coming over to my place not to dress like a hoe, meaning come over dressed like a maid.

I don't go with girls that smoke, so perhaps screen your dates if you can't deal with a girl that smokes.

As far as tats, well there huge here, and I don't like them, but it goes with the territory.

And the dyed hair, that can be very problematic as they use cheap dyes, and as soon as you start banging them and their heads hit the sheets, pillows, and towels they can become stained, and can be a nightmare to be cleaned.

So if you can get beyond how ghettoish, tatted, weirdly dressed, and the dyed hair, some of these barrio girls can give you the ride of your life sexually.

If your looking for coifed beauty queens, well the barrio girls don't sound like a good match for you.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2817234]Yes most of us know about pattaya, I was referring more to Latin women, other than maybe Costa Rica & Brazil I haven't heard of many clubs like gustos that are full of hookers. Definitely at least not as popular, otherwise I would have seen videos on YouTube by now. Any clubs full of hookers in North America, what about in DR? Europe? All I hear about is fkks.[/QUOTE]So you did not mean where else in the world are there hookers in a disco as you asked, but you meant where in other very specific places are there discos or bars with a particular subset of hookers. It seems you are like Kanye West and like to brainstorm out loud, writing it down for everyone to read, instead of organizing your thoughts beforehand in order to present them to the public how you really intend.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2817264]. And she was happy with either. That is the marketplace.[/QUOTE]I usually meet them at Gustos a few times before appointment with them.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2817076]Last minute trip and trying Facebook for the first time this time, I've only got 2 weeks so my set up will be limited.

So far I have a few positive conversations going on over the last week. The girls have not jumped at the suggestion of "mutually beneficial date" or the various ways I've tried to softly suggest p4 p. But they have remained curious and are asking for specifics. Which I am taking as a good sign as my preference is to have the old tinder experience before it became full of scams. So mainly semi-pros vs the pros. For that I'd just use a escort listing site or visit an establishment. One girl even thought I was her friend playing a trick on her LOL. I'm not sure if she's acting or not but it was funny.

Is this similar to what most people experience when talking with the girls on FB? I was wondering if I've hit the correct network of girls others seem to mention here and it being unique to Medellin. The reason I ask is so far this just feels like it would be in any other city. Messaging girls trying to convince them of a "sugar date" or whatever. In my experience many young hot girls anywhere in the world are open for that.

I'll also share here that you can search by anything on facebook like their job and then filter on city. So it doesn't have to just be by common girls names or via friends lists. I've seen girls with prepagos in their bio and it is searchable. It's interesting if that's what you're looking for but to me that's just a pro and why not use one of the listing sites than fiddle with facebook. But searching for jobs like dancer (in spanish) or modelo or whatever you are attracted to might help find what you're looking for. Again early days for me, just sharing what I've discovered.[/QUOTE]Honestly if you want to build a FB friend network this is something you should have started months before your trip. Two weeks is so little time that you're either going to have to get very lucky or you'll need a fellow monger to share his friend's list with you. But conversely any such monger has a strong incentive NOT to share their list because why would they risk you ruining their fun by overpaying their regulars or possibly infecting them with who knows what STDs?

Rather than asking for a sugar date and then trying to explain what that is just say you're visiting Medellin and that you'd like to meet or you think together you and they can have some fun together. Any pro or semi-pro will immediately agree and ask what date you arrive. She'll also probably start calling you "amor". If a girl plays dumb and asks why or what do you mean you're just talking to a regular girl and your chances of fucking her for money are considerably lower. If you talk a good game and are good-looking and charming (which let's be blunt--you're probably not if you're on this forum) you might be able to wine and dine her straight to your bed but for most of you it's not worth the effort. Move on to the next girl.

Your hunch about Instagram camgirls / influencers / onlyfans girls is spot on--most of these girls are deluged by horny messages from simps around the world and have probably just stopped looked at their DMs altogether. In all my years I've only successfully hooked up with one girl that I first saw on IG. Nowadays the only girls on IG who respond to my messages are girls that I've already fucked IRL.

With the time you have your best course of action is to either use photoprepagos (they don't use fake photos although they can be airbrushed) or to go to clubs and casas. Once you find a girl who rocks your boat ask for her whatsapp number and social media info. Many of them will recommend a friend or two. Then just build from there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2816807]LOL. Dude are you serious right now? There are tons of hooker pickup bars and discos all over the world. In Pattaya there are AT LEAST 10 on Walking Street alone. I will name a few off the top of my head. 808, Candy Shop, Myst, Lucifer, iBar, Insomnia, Republic, Rave, Jannarat, Nasha, Flexx, Tunnel, Mixx. That is 13 on one street off the top of my head and there are more than that on that same street. This is in no way a Medellin Parque Lleras thing. 2 fucking small ass clubs? Really?![/QUOTE]I'll add that in Medellin there are scorea of other clubs where the girls look and smell just as good, and most are willing to dance and talk with you. The only real difference is that they won't expect $200-$300.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2817076]Last minute trip and trying Facebook for the first time this time, I've only got 2 weeks so my set up will be limited..[/QUOTE]If you have a facebook send me and I can ask my contacts to contact you but they would be about 400 k at least for 2 hours GFE.

[QUOTE=SouthernGent85;2817111]Good day,

An excited first timer heading to Medellin this Tuesday at a local AirBnB in El Poblado. I've been searching for more details on casas around El Poblado, as I intend to make the pilgrimage to Gutsos to see what all the fuss is about, and take a long week to safely explore this option. With "casas" a common term, I get everything or nothing as I navigate the site. I'd thought to earn a whisker or two in El Centro, but I don't think I'm there out of the box just yet. Thanks and a tip of the hat to you all for providing the forum and info to make the trip a reality.[/QUOTE]No casas that I know of but there are a few massage places around parque Lleras that offer "extras" for the right price. I remember getting a BBBJ at one of them several years ago when I was new to Medellin but for the life of me I can't remember the name.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2817230]Why would I care what others think? Lmao.

If you really want to know what sounds gay. Is criticizing other men on the choices they make, dude who cares, let them be.[/QUOTE]Hey if you want to miss out on an actual Medellin experience by hanging out at Gustos. That is your loss my man.

[QUOTE=SouthernGent85;2817259]Thanks for the note, plan on making the rounds to both.[/QUOTE]El centro at night is not for the faint of heart. Day time is safe though.

[QUOTE=Talon;2817315]Honestly if you want to build a FB friend network this is something you should have started months before your trip. Two weeks is so little time that you're either going to have to get very lucky or you'll need a fellow monger to share his friend's list with you. But conversely any such monger has a strong incentive NOT to share their list because why would they risk you ruining their fun by overpaying their regulars or possibly infecting them with who knows what STDs?

Rather than asking for a sugar date and then trying to explain what that is just say you're visiting Medellin and that you'd like to meet or you think together you and they can have some fun together. Any pro or semi-pro will immediately agree and ask what date you arrive. She'll also probably start calling you "amor". If a girl plays dumb and asks why or what do you mean you're just talking to a regular girl and your chances of fucking her for money are considerably lower. If you talk a good game and are good-looking and charming (which let's be blunt--you're probably not if you're on this forum) you might be able to wine and dine her straight to your bed but for most of you it's not worth the effort. Move on to the next girl.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Yes months ago would have been better. Last time I was there (2019) I just used tinder and was able to wine and dine them just fine and have sex for free. I always thought if I go back to Medellin I won't need to see girls for money. However this time I am alone, and far more concerned about safety which seems to have dropped significantly since 2019 and with tinder. This is what has brought me here, as I am able to control a situation a lot more with p4 p. Not having to really do the dating / partying / flashy bit and tell them when and where to be (love motel or my secure hotel) will hopefully avoid me getting scoped.

I've not mentioned visiting on FB, and actually had my location set to Medellin too, and only chatted in Spanish. Mainly for safety (less of a target) but I might throw some caution to the wind given you say they're more likely to meet a tourist.

I may also try seeking given my short notice too. But has the downside of maybe "rich" guys being a target.

I might meet up with her but wanted to see if anyone here know her?

Which Airbnb would you recommend that has tight security (but allows sex encounters)?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2817369]Hey if you want to miss out on an actual Medellin experience by hanging out at Gustos. That is your loss my man.[/QUOTE]I spent most of my last recent trip in Guatape and other areas outside of Medellin. I'm pretty sure I've explored more of Colombia than most people on this forum have in the short time I've been there buddy.

I'm pretty tech savvy so wanted to share some tips. I'm not speaking from results here as I have not been on my trip yet, these are mostly things I have noticed or that came to mind while preparing that I have previous technical experience with. If something is already common knowledge I guess I just have not seen it mentioned here yet.

Facebook:

- Profiles location: I've set my location to Medellin, it's less likely to trigger facebook banning you for adding many girls from Medellin rather than some other location.

- Friend's List: If you've set your profile's location to Medellin, when looking through someone's friend's list you can filter the friend's list by "My Current City" to avoid clicking through everyone. You must be logged in on a desktop browser.

- VPN: I've noticed some mention to also VPN and set your location to Medellin. Don't for the most part unless you have a dedicated IP VPN. Paid services like NordVPN still use shared IPs that so many bots also use, your account will be way more likely to be banned as Facebook know those VPN IPs. If you insist on using a VPN, choose a newer server (higher # usually) and use the same one each time. The better option is to use a dedicated proxy or your cell off of wifi. All overkill in my opinion, your own IP should be fine.

- Aged Accounts: If you are making a new account and don't want to start slow (e. G. 5 requests a day) buy an aged account for a few dollars ([URL]https://accsmarket.com/en/catalog/facebook/fbboosted[/URL]). These are registered years ago and have some random friends populated. Aged accounts are way less likely to be banned. The better ones are usually the USA IP registered ones. You can also request it be male / female etc. Again nothing really wrong with just registering your own new facebook account fresh but I've been adding 20-30 girls / day with an aged account and no issues yet.

- Saving Posts: I have seen it suggested to save url links to girls profiles to be added later if you're limiting your friend requests. Instead if the girl's profile has at least one post on it, you can save that post from their profile within facebook to your saved posts section where you can also create categories ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/saved[/URL]). It's more streamline than having it in a document. Plus when I go to send some friend requests on the app and revisit the saved list, it even suggests removing them from the list, almost like it knows you've now added them. It's a nice way to make a queue.

- Friend Custom Lists: Once girls are friends you can create different custom friend's lists within facebook ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/friends[/URL]) primarily this might be helpful to organize girls however you want. You can also use these custom lists in your privacy settings to hide and show various parts of your profile / posts to different girls if you need for whatever reason.

Other Generic Safety Tools. I mention these here because Medellin isn't the safest, nothing beats just not putting yourself in situations to begin with but these might help if you need them:

- AI Background Check: This is not regular Tineye or Reverse Image search. With AI Facial search ([URL]https://pimeyes.com[/URL]) you can upload some photos of a person and it will go and find that exact person online, in many other places they appear in photos. It's particularly good at finding adult content, so if the girl you're searching has escort ads or webcam content up, it may find those. You can also probably find their real name / social account if they're public enough. Up to you how you use this, it is paid to visit the links but you can see the results for free. Personally if I was talking to a girl and she's acted all innocent and I find she's all over camming sites and ads, I'd prefer to know what I am going in to. It's also great to see some content as a sneak preview.

- Wifi Security Camera: Instant view into my hotel room / airbnb from my phone and records too, alerts me to movement in my room too. Many on the market, mine fits in palm of my hand and was <$50. (Wyze cam on amazon). If I travel I can just plug it in and connect it to the wifi. Can record to an SD card or to the cloud if you're wanting content off site. I read a story here that an accomplice to a scoping broke and stole a security cameras memory, so it being in the cloud already means it's already stored online and away from you physically if it get's broken or stolen. The downside here is you might not want your security camera footage going online even if it is a secured passworded location. Your call. You could even just point it right at your door to get a girls face on her way in.

- Location tracking: You might want to use Airtags to track your stuff, or share your phone's location with a friend.

- Put your money in your shoe: Yeah this one is low tech! But saved me maybe over a total of $1000 in Mexico, cops stopped me a few times and stole my money from my wallet, but they forgot my shoes! Also a throw away wallet with old cards can help.

- Door stop alarm: I don't have one of these but did consider one when I was travelling a while back. Basically a door wedge to put by your door, if someone tries to open your front door you'll know.

My first visit in Medellin did not go as expected, due to circumstances I will explain later, but I have learned lesson for future visits.

Facebook: I was banned shortly after I created account. If you are going this route start early, add friends slowly.

Tinder: Tinder's algorithm is designed to make you pay and get trash matches. I only got matches with 9's and 10's at the end of my subscription. I had some really hot regular girls asking for hookups. I have not met anyone from Tinder but it seems very easy to score if you are relatively young and fit.

Bumble: Poor results. I did not swipe at all so that's probably one of the reasons I got nearly no likes.

SA: If you are willing to pay it's the easiest and most efficient way.

Day 1: I was planning to meet with this chick from SA I've been talking with about three weeks. She texted me on the day on my flight. She was not responding so I moved onto the next one. 18 years from SA. Agreed to TLN for 400. Sent her Uber and gave her instructions to my room. She was nothing like her pictures. Pictures were her but with loads of makeup and taken at the right angle. Fairly unattractive face and deep voice probably from smoking. I was horny so I let her in anyway. Chit chat, she took shower and then to the bedroom. Make out session, she goes on top of me and starts riding. The most tight pussy I've ever been with. And she would not lube at all. She was completely dry. Friction was surreal. I flipped her over and went down on her to try to lube her up. No success. Moved onto missionary and then back to her on top of me. I blew my load inside of her. She took a translator and let me know she is not on birth control. Having a child is a no no, let alone with unattractive chick. I started googling for pharmacies that were open during the night. Anyway, I told her we are going to pharma later. She agreed. Went for a second round. To my surprise she gave a very good BJ. We ended session in doggy. Went to pharma, she ate day after pill, I sent her home with Uber. She wanted to meet a few times during my visit but I wasn't interested.

Another chick from SA texted me she is able to meet after 2 days.

Day 2: Found a chick on one of those websites. 22. Incall. Arrived to her apartment, her mother and siblings went into other room before I was allowed to pass though the living room into girls bedroom. One of the most weird meetings. Her mom and siblings hanging around in the kitchen while daughter is getting railed in a room. Chick was actually very sweet. She did not have condoms and would let me hit raw but I wasn't going to risk it with STD's so we used mine. Action was decent, went for two rounds.

Went to parque Lleras at the evening. To one of those bars where you pay chick drinks and she spends time with you. Went back to app to take a rest, alone. Although some of these chicks would be down to fuck after shift, it's a waste of time and money. For the amount of $ you are going to spend on those drinks you can get 10 from SA.

Day 3: Talked with two chicks from SA. Both were asking what I was doing tonight, letting me know they are free. Neither of them proposed to meet and neither did I. They knew I was there and if they want $ they better make some effort.

After these conversations went nowhere I went to parque Lleras. Picked up attractive chick and went to app. She asked for 200 for 1 h, I proposed 400 TLN and she accepted. Chit chat, we go to the bedroom she asks for $. That should raise some red flags but I though maybe she had some bad experience with payments so she now asks upfront. Body wise she was my ideal match. Good tits, great ass, fit and cute. And this is where the good stuff ends. Her attitude was trash. We make out, BJ, she goes on top, we switch miss and I nut in condom. Due to effect of Cialis I had 0 recovery time so I just kept going. ***** felt warmth of my nut and pulled out. Went to take a shower, came back and started dressing up. Asked her where tf is she going? That wasn't a deal. Told her to give me 200 back. She refused to. I repeated again, this time in aggressive manner. She handed over 200, then I told her to gtfo. Lesson learned. I am never picking up those working girls from the streets ever again.

Day 4: Woke up with some digestion problems. Food poisoning. It kept going on all day along so I did not leave app at all. Seemed to get better at the evening so I arranged meeting with this chick from SA who said she would be available in two days. We agreed in TLN and she told me she will have to get up at 6 AM because she has some stuff to do in the morning. I was ok with that. We set time and place. I sent her Uber. She texts me and says she won't be able to stay whole night because she of the stuff she has to do, and she will leave at 2 AM. She said she could stay whole night the day after. I canceled Uber and told her we are done.

I went to some night club. Was asked by cute chick if I want to dance with her. She also had hot friend. After a while I can feel my stomach is upset again so I return back to app.

Day 5: Didn't leave app due to food poisoning.

Day 6: I met with chick from SA. I knew she wasn't fit but. She was slightly more overweight than I though. Anyway, we talked a bit and I did not feel attraction at all so I told her I don't feel well and she should leave.

Chick from day 4 texts me if I had changed my mind and if I would want to meet with her for TLN. No, bye.

Day 7: Checked out in the morning. I had flight in the evening. And I am not leaving until I fuck at least one chick. Arranged meeting with chick from SA at 2 PM. She forgot and responded half an our later. Too late, I sealed the deal with another chick. We met in a love hotel. 19 yrs old, attractive, good tits, even better ass. Exactly the way I like them chicks. The only worthy meet on this trip. We had a great session, GFE, made her cum twice and then she went crazy and fucked my brains out. Nutted in her, she said she was on birth control. Anyway, that was a good end to my trip.

Does anyone know where I can get a legit massage and a BJ or possibly FS at the end?

[QUOTE=MikeGirobari;2817397]I might meet up with her but wanted to see if anyone here know her?

Which Airbnb would you recommend that has tight security (but allows sex encounters)?[/QUOTE]No, I really wish I could say that I know her. To stay safe I always send an Uber. I don't trust "drivers" dropping off and and hanging around.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2817209]If you do not like the price, then do not play the game.

If guys are paying $200 for women who are midgets, pregnant, average looking, or cannot apply makeup, then yeah, guys need to stop paying that.

On the other hand, I met a seeking woman for a drink. She was smoking hot and wanted $140 for two hours, and we went at it bare three times. In fact, she was so fucking good I called her back and did her again.

Maybe I could have gotten her down some but I got the impression that she was low volume and that was the minimum she would take, and I did not want to risk negotiating.

And you are saying I paid too much and shouldn't have fucked her? I tell you what. Guys spend their money how they see fit and if you do not like the prices, use your hand.

Are you seriously telling guys what to do when some hottie is in front of them? LOL. Yeah, I am sure that is gong to work. / sarc.[/QUOTE]"Hot" women are not a rarity sir they are abundant. Let's not artificially push up prices. That's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817098]Not only you fail to understand the difference between girls, you also fail to realize the difference between BMW and Hyundai, or between any premium German car maker and mass market Korean car maker. [/QUOTE]Whoosh! What was that? That was the sound of a rebuttal concept going straight over your head.

I'm writing this report several days late. There are just too many chicas taking up my time.

I invited a new FB chica over in the early afternoon and it went very well. She has a kid but is still young so her body doesn't show many signs. She stayed for a couple hours, BBBJ, all the normal stuff. 250 k total.

Friday night I met up with a couple other BM's and we went first to Fase II. 30 k for entry. We arrived a little after 11. It was just starting to get busy. We ordered a half bottle of vodka for 220 k and sat down. There were plenty of good looking chicas walking around of all types. I have been here a couple times before but this was the best showing talent wise. Maybe because it was a Friday.

A bunch of girls came over and talked with us. Got a few dances and a couple of numbers. It was a fun couple of hours. There were definitely girls worth taking. I was quoted 330 k to go to the rooms next door. But I had an 18 year old from FB coming over early the next day and I wanted to be ready.

We decided to go to La Isla just before 2. I don't remember why and I wish that we had just stayed at Fase II. La Isla had 80 k cover charge. The party was definitely still going. There were tons of ladies there. There were a couple of groups of guys throwing money around. And the chicas kind of all sitting around them waiting for it to start raining again. There was a show going on stage with some fireworks or something going off. It was producing a lot of smoke and the smoke was burning our eyes all the way in the back by the bar.

Some of the girls were going into the room in the back rubbing their eyes. We stopped to buy a beer and you couldn't buy just one. You had to buy two for 80 k.

I think 2 girls total made eye contact with us the entire time. Apart from the girls dancing near the stage, most were sitting in chairs looking at their phones. Maybe at that time of night their phones provide more options for them. Obviously we could have gotten up to go talk to some but there were almost none that even made me want to. Overall just a disappointing time at La Isla, so we left.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2817432]Does anyone know where I can get a legit massage and a BJ or possibly FS at the end?[/QUOTE]Go to Rio Del Sur Mall in El Poblado. Look up Dan Spa or Zen Spa.

[QUOTE=Anthony2023;2817402]I spent most of my last recent trip in Guatape and other areas outside of Medellin. I'm pretty sure I've explored more of Colombia than most people on this forum have in the short time I've been there buddy.[/QUOTE]And yet a set up like Gustos blows your mind and appears like a solar eclipse to you.

[QUOTE=MikeGirobari;2817397]I might meet up with her but wanted to see if anyone here know her?

Which Airbnb would you recommend that has tight security (but allows sex encounters)?[/QUOTE]Use a love motel.

[QUOTE=IAmThatGuy;2817409]Tinder's algorithm is designed to make you pay and get trash matches. I only got matches with 9's and 10's at the end of my subscription. [/QUOTE]Except those are not 9's and 10's. That is just Tinder trying to make you sign up again like you said. You can look on youtube to see how dating sites do this.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2817486]I'm writing this report several days late. There are just too many chicas taking up my time.



Some of the girls were going into the room in the back rubbing their eyes. We stopped to buy a beer and you couldn't buy just one. You had to buy two for 80 k.

I think 2 girls total made eye contact with us the entire time. Apart from the girls dancing near the stage, most were sitting in chairs looking at their phones. Maybe at that time of night their phones provide more options for them. Obviously we could have gotten up to go talk to some but there were almost none that even made me want to. Overall just a disappointing time at La Isla, so we left.[/QUOTE]Please note entrance fee at la ISLA is 50 K not 80, says so at the door. A corona beer is about 32 K not 40 and yes you can buy one.

Trying to do my part, sharing info.


PS>>>

went to La ISLA at least twice but didnt partake, went during a slow night and on a weekend where it was packed. I was quoted in dollars and 300-600K for one hour in one of the rooms. There were some stunners in there as well as weekend bros throwing money at Chicas.

One skinny (slim) blonde or fake blonde Chica came to sit next to me and we engaged in a convo, still not very fluent in spanish (I speak mostly Porto) but can manage. I guess she thought she was the shit as she quoted me 600K without batting an eye. I calmly asked her why am I getting different prices from Chicas (300K pesos now her at 600K) after a few mins she mumbled something that she need to do and got up and left. As I was leaving the club, she was sitting by herself, our eyes locked and we both smiled at each other.

There was another cute chica, kinda tall with a great body, at least an 8 on anyones scale, she spoke a bit of English, asked how much she wanted, quoted me 100 USD to go back in the room, I asked her to quote in pesos, she wanted 400K (current exchange rate ranged from 4484 to 4619 during the week) I countered with 300K but she stood firm at 400k, being quoted in pesos was a 60k difference, 60 K isnt the issue, it is taking control of the transaction not allowing the Chica to dictate the price and conversion rate.

Spent rest of my time in Laureles after that, theres an abundance of regular real cute Chicas out there and some casas.

I decided to quit doing separate reports for each day. It is time consuming and I'm sure nobody cares. Plus the days were mostly rinse and repeat. I had 2 or 3 FB chicas over every day. Only two were repeats from previous trips. There were a bunch of new ones that I wanted to meet. So I did. Age ranges were 18-24. Each one of them I paid 250 k including taxi. Mostly that is because when talking about payment I say "Siempre pago 200 k pesos mas taxi o 250 k en total" Could I get some of them cheaper? Probably. But I think 250 k is a fair price and I have found they think it is fair also.

Every one of them did BBBJ, again mostly because I have screened them and they know I am expecting it. The average amount of time spent is 2 hours. The shortest was an hour and the longest was 5 hours because we fell asleep after. I guess she fell asleep and I enjoyed spooning the naked 18 year old on my bed for a couple hours.

Last night after my second FB date left I went out and met another BM in Parque Lleras. We sat at a bar in the park for a while, Diablo I think. It's a little off the main path for people watching but not bad. After that we walked around a bit. We walked past Gustos. (I told my friend there were plenty of Hyundai's and BMW's parked on Calle 10).

There were a bunch of Vennie's out. They were huddled in groups. I don't like walking up to them like that because I don't like dealing with the pack mentality. We sat down at another bar just off the parque. Met a couple of 35 year old non-pro Paisa's who were celebrating Mother's Day. Got a number. It was a good day.

Now I'm chilling at the Airbnb waiting for my last stand since I have to leave tomorrow. One of the 18's who was particularly pleasing is coming back for Act II.

This place is wonderful.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2817513]Please note entrance fee at la ISLA is 50 K not 80, says so at the door. A corona beer is about 32 K not 40 and yes you can buy one.

Trying to do my part, sharing info.[/QUOTE]I'll rephrase.

On previous occasions when I have been there, it was 50 k to enter and I was allowed to buy one beer only.

That particular night, it was 80 k to enter and you had to buy 2 of whatever you were drinking. The 32 k is likely accurate. That particular number I don't remember for certain.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2816808]Let me correct you there a bit bro, HELP in Rio (now closed) was the largest of these type of clubs.

Here are few...
[/QUOTE]I would ad one more: Scandallo in Sau Paulo, a nicer HELP like. You can also ad FKKs in Europe (mostly Germany and Switzerland

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2817264]Poblado is a big place, the biggest of the 16 or so comunas of Medellin. I don't know of any casas in Poblado. The term is used for places similar to MPs in other countries, or brothel sorts of places. But the term "casa" will not bring up anything in a search as it just means "house". So there are many of these in centro, but also a number in other parts of the city such as Estadio / Laureles. There are lots of posts in this forum about the various casas, and maps, etc. Can be searched and found.

Casas, in my opinion, are a great starting point in Medellin. They are safe, and once you read up on the various ones you may want to visit the way they operate is pretty clear. And much safer than trying to pick up a girl on the street in the parque Lleras area, or in centro area.

Gustos is like a shark tank, plus when you get to your room with the girl you have the same safety issue as any street girl, at multiple times the price. But still an interesting experience as it shows you that end of the "market". There will be some beautiful chicas, well dressed, and in a little world where many of the clients have no idea of the real marketplace. My first exposure to Gustos was when a chica I had been with a couple of days earlier for 200 k was asking over $200 US at Gustos. (I met her at the mansion and typical rates there were 150 k, so she had a bit of a premium price there at 200 K). Anyway, she fit in at Gustos, but also fit in at the Mansion at 20% of the price. And she was happy with either. That is the marketplace.[/QUOTE]Excellent feedback, a tip of the hat to you! In agreeance that finding the Casas is the key to a first timer's fun run.

After several months of reading these reports, saving up and finding the right time to make the leap to explore this mystical place, the time is almost here. Tonight has a kid-like Christmas energy, where you can't sleep because you know tomorrow morning is going to be nothing but fun. I know someone is reading this post the same way I used to read others here, wishing, fantasizing and dreaming that it should be you on the next plane away from all these problems. If anything I just want to say and show it can be done. Just keep at it. I can't wait to unwrap this week of adventure. I'll do my best to share the stories, and again appreciate this space. A tip of the hat until then.

For real? Which neighborhood was this at? Colombia never cease to surprise me.

[QUOTE=IAmThatGuy;2817409]

Incall. Arrived to her apartment, her mother and siblings went into other room before I was allowed to pass though the living room into girls bedroom. One of the most weird meetings. Her mom and siblings hanging around in the kitchen while daughter is getting railed in a room. Chick was actually very sweet. She did not have condoms and would let me hit raw but I wasn't going to risk it with STD's so we used mine. Action was decent, went for two rounds.

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[QUOTE=Carrib;2816808]Let me correct you there a bit bro, HELP in Rio (now closed) was the largest of these type of clubs.

\[/QUOTE]Wow! HELP. That was my first introduction to mongering back in like 2004 or so. My goodness. I swear if that place was open today I don't think I would have even ventured into Colombia.

The atompshere, the vibe, the energy the shear SIZE of it. I loved how it felt like a real club and it was like even though all the girls were working you still felt like there wasn't this hard sell from the girls.

I think I banged to this day the most beauitful girl there ever, but my goodness she was on a next level in terms of understanding men and how to manipulate them. I was way too young to even understand but damn.

Soo so sooo many good fucks there, There will never be anything like it again at the size that was. I think it was even taughted as "the largest club in south america" it just so happend to have working girls there.

If you look in my profile you can see reports of it in the rio fourm somehwere. Props for the reminder.

[QUOTE=SouthernGent85;2817544]After several months of reading these reports, saving up and finding the right time to make the leap to explore this mystical place, the time is almost here. Tonight has a kid-like Christmas energy, where you can't sleep because you know tomorrow morning is going to be nothing but fun. I know someone is reading this post the same way I used to read others here, wishing, fantasizing and dreaming that it should be you on the next plane away from all these problems. If anything I just want to say and show it can be done. Just keep at it. I can't wait to unwrap this week of adventure. I'll do my best to share the stories, and again appreciate this space. A tip of the hat until then.[/QUOTE]I think we've all experienced it. Haha I live near a mid-size town in the Southeast. More often than not, I'll fly out of a larger airport, often the first flight out in the morning. I usually plan to wake up at 2 AM, try to get to sleep early the night before, and drive up early that morning. It never works. LOL That anticipation won't let me doze off.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2817517]I'll rephrase.

On previous occasions when I have been there, it was 50 k to enter and I was allowed to buy one beer only.

That particular night, it was 80 k to enter and you had to buy 2 of whatever you were drinking. The 32 k is likely accurate. That particular number I don't remember for certain.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. I've never seen it at 80 k but maybe it was a special event, like you say.

I'll say this. La Isla has never been my favorite place. It's a bit too transactional. And the rain boys just piss me off and put me in a bad mood. But, I'll stop there once or twice every trip. On my last trip, there seemed to be a decidedly different vibe. Much more aggressive meseros. I'm totally speculating but it felt like new management with a much different approach than I saw in the past. I saw some meseros directed by managers (to approach some patrons and advise that they needed to order a drink. I don't have the backstory. For all I know, these patrons were troublemakers. But the whole vibe was different. I'm going to try it once more next week and it might be off my list after that.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2817489]Go to Rio Del Sur Mall in El Poblado. Look up Dan Spa or Zen Spa.[/QUOTE]Also interested in this.

I've visited OM Spa in Rio Sur a few times. My experience there is that HJ is available and readily offered for too high of a price. But that's about it. Though I can confirm takeout is available with all that you'd expect. Never saw Dan or Zen there. But, I had a hard enough time finding OM. LOL.

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2817408]I'm pretty tech savvy so wanted to share some tips. I'm not speaking from results here as I have not been on my trip yet, these are mostly things I have noticed or that came to mind while preparing that I have previous technical experience with. If something is already common knowledge I guess I just have not seen it mentioned here yet.

Facebook:

- Profiles location: I've set my location to Medellin, it's less likely to trigger facebook banning you for adding many girls from Medellin rather than some other location.

- Friend's List: If you've set your profile's location to Medellin, when looking through someone's friend's list you can filter the friend's list by "My Current City" to avoid clicking through everyone. You must be logged in on a desktop browser.

- VPN: I've noticed some mention to also VPN and set your location to Medellin. Don't for the most part unless you have a dedicated IP VPN. Paid services like NordVPN still use shared IPs that so many bots also use, your account will be way more likely to be banned as Facebook know those VPN IPs. If you insist on using a VPN, choose a newer server (higher # usually) and use the same one each time. The better option is to use a dedicated proxy or your cell off of wifi. All overkill in my opinion, your own IP should be fine.

- Aged Accounts: If you are making a new account and don't want to start slow (e. G. 5 requests a day) buy an aged account for a few dollars ([URL]https://accsmarket.com/en/catalog/facebook/fbboosted[/URL]). These are registered years ago and have some random friends populated. Aged accounts are way less likely to be banned. The better ones are usually the USA IP registered ones. You can also request it be male / female etc. Again nothing really wrong with just registering your own new facebook account fresh but I've been adding 20-30 girls / day with an aged account and no issues yet.

- Saving Posts: I have seen it suggested to save url links to girls profiles to be added later if you're limiting your friend requests. Instead if the girl's profile has at least one post on it, you can save that post from their profile within facebook to your saved posts section where you can also create categories ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/saved[/URL]). It's more streamline than having it in a document. Plus when I go to send some friend requests on the app and revisit the saved list, it even suggests removing them from the list, almost like it knows you've now added them. It's a nice way to make a queue.

- Friend Custom Lists: Once girls are friends you can create different custom friend's lists within facebook ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/friends[/URL]) primarily this might be helpful to organize girls however you want. You can also use these custom lists in your privacy settings to hide and show various parts of your profile / posts to different girls if you need for whatever reason.

Other Generic Safety Tools. I mention these here because Medellin isn't the safest, nothing beats just not putting yourself in situations to begin with but these might help if you need them:

- AI Background Check: This is not regular Tineye or Reverse Image search. With AI Facial search ([URL]https://pimeyes.com[/URL]) you can upload some photos of a person and it will go and find that exact person online, in many other places they appear in photos. It's particularly good at finding adult content, so if the girl you're searching has escort ads or webcam content up, it may find those. You can also probably find their real name / social account if they're public enough. Up to you how you use this, it is paid to visit the links but you can see the results for free. Personally if I was talking to a girl and she's acted all innocent and I find she's all over camming sites and ads, I'd prefer to know what I am going in to. It's also great to see some content as a sneak preview.

- Wifi Security Camera: Instant view into my hotel room / airbnb from my phone and records too, alerts me to movement in my room too. Many on the market, mine fits in palm of my hand and was <$50. (Wyze cam on amazon). If I travel I can just plug it in and connect it to the wifi. Can record to an SD card or to the cloud if you're wanting content off site. I read a story here that an accomplice to a scoping broke and stole a security cameras memory, so it being in the cloud already means it's already stored online and away from you physically if it get's broken or stolen. The downside here is you might not want your security camera footage going online even if it is a secured passworded location. Your call. You could even just point it right at your door to get a girls face on her way in.

- Location tracking: You might want to use Airtags to track your stuff, or share your phone's location with a friend.

- Put your money in your shoe: Yeah this one is low tech! But saved me maybe over a total of $1000 in Mexico, cops stopped me a few times and stole my money from my wallet, but they forgot my shoes! Also a throw away wallet with old cards can help.

- Door stop alarm: I don't have one of these but did consider one when I was travelling a while back. Basically a door wedge to put by your door, if someone tries to open your front door you'll know.[/QUOTE]Thanks Pistol. There's some potentially useful stuff in there. The only one I've historically used is the old money in the shoe trick. I'll probably use pimeyes. While I'm not on facebook, I have had some problems with SA while outside the USA, so your facebook and VPN suggestions may come in handy for that.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2817513]Please note entrance fee at la ISLA is 50 K not 80, says so at the door. A corona beer is about 32 K not 40 and yes you can buy one.

Trying to do my part, sharing info.


PS>>>

went to La ISLA at least twice but didnt partake, went during a slow night and on a weekend where it was packed. I was quoted in dollars and 300-600K for one hour in one of the rooms. There were some stunners in there as well as weekend bros throwing money at Chicas.

One skinny (slim) blonde or fake blonde Chica came to sit next to me and we engaged in a convo, still not very fluent in spanish (I speak mostly Porto) but can manage. I guess she thought she was the shit as she quoted me 600K without batting an eye. I calmly asked her why am I getting different prices from Chicas (300K pesos now her at 600K) after a few mins she mumbled something that she need to do and got up and left. As I was leaving the club, she was sitting by herself, our eyes locked and we both smiled at each other..[/QUOTE]La Isla is not a club with freelancers, like Gusto. Rates are supposed to be fixed (they do have basic and more expensive rooms though), but you are not supposed to negotiate. The last time I fucked a girl there, I paid 350 k, basic room included. BTW, you pay to the cashier at the bar. I heard now the minimum fixed rate is 400 mil (basic room, 30-40 minute service). If you don't want a more expensive room, or a longer session, there is no need to negotiate. You can always ask the cashier about the current rates, rather than asking girls and being quoted different prices. I think they used to have a sign with the fixed rate by the bar. Don't be a sucker, and only pay the fixed rate!

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2817551]For real? Which neighborhood was this at? Colombia never cease to surprise me.[/QUOTE]El Poblado. Residential complex with many buildings and it's own security.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2817764]La Isla is not a club with freelancers, like Gusto. Rates are supposed to be fixed (they do have basic and more expensive rooms though), but you are not supposed to negotiate. The last time I fucked a girl there, I paid 350 k, basic room included. BTW, you pay to the cashier at the bar. I heard now the minimum fixed rate is 400 mil (basic room, 30-40 minute service). If you don't want a more expensive room, or a longer session, there is no need to negotiate. You can always ask the cashier about the current rates, rather than asking girls and being quoted different prices. I think they used to have a sign with the fixed rate by the bar. Don't be a sucker, and only pay the fixed rate![/QUOTE]What I am saying is this:

They are allowing the girls to quote prices and I did get quoted 300-600 k pesos, the 50 k entrance fee and the occasional 80 K "special event" fee keeps all if not all regular Colombians out of the club, this is why I guess most gringos now feel safe to make it rain. I didn't take any of the Chicas, had other options. Chicas there, some of them are legit 10's and seeing them naked is an added plus as you can see any flaws (stretch marks, bad surgery scars). Prices are no longer listed behind or near the bar as you say.

I suppose the regular room price is 400 K so the Chica who quoted 300 K may have been lying, it was a slow night.

Once again here’s my question

If the at the top establishments (Lutron’s, fase II, Lã ISLA) are all charging 90-100 USD for one hour with a Chica why would u pay a Gustos girl 300-400 USD?

Someone also posted that a mansion girl charges 200K pesos at the mansion but wants 200 USD at Gusto;s how is this acceptable?

Take back control of the market gents, fine ass pussy is in abundance in Colombia.


One of my favorite pastimes while on mongering trips is to go to some spots and observe, use to do it at HELP in rio and many other bars in pattaya, Bangkok, Singapore and Hong Kong etc . I do the same in Colombia. I watch the girls, the customers and the interactions- observe and learn.

Some come talk to me but otherwise I am low key, grab a cheap drink, be cool with the staff and security. Sometimes I get lucky oftentimes I hop in Uber go my on way.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2817830]What I am saying is this:

They are allowing the girls to quote prices and I did get quoted 300-600 k pesos, the 50 k entrance fee and the occasional 80 K "special event" fee keeps all if not all regular Colombians out of the club, this is why I guess most gringos now feel safe to make it rain. I didn't take any of the Chicas, had other options. Chicas there, some of them are legit 10's and seeing them naked is an added plus as you can see any flaws (stretch marks, bad surgery scars). Prices are no longer listed behind or near the bar as you say.

I suppose the regular room price is 400 K so the Chica who quoted 300 K may have been lying, it was a slow night.

Once again heres my question

If the at the top establishments (Lutrons, fase II, L ISLA) are all charging 90-100 USD for one hour with a Chica why would u pay a Gustos girl 300-400 USD?

Someone also posted that a mansion girl charges 200K pesos at the mansion but wants 200 USD at Gusto;s how is this acceptable?

Take back control of the market gents, fine ass pussy is in abundance in Colombia.


One of my favorite pastimes while on mongering trips is to go to some spots and observe, use to do it at HELP in rio and many other bars in pattaya, Bangkok, Singapore and Hong Kong etc . I do the same in Colombia. I watch the girls, the customers and the interactions- observe and learn.

Some come talk to me but otherwise I am low key, grab a cheap drink, be cool with the staff and security. Sometimes I get lucky oftentimes I hop in Uber go my on way.[/QUOTE]Medellin has been going downhill for a while now.

It's not the pricing that bothers me.

But it's the fact that girls who simply aren't worth the price they're charging.

Prime example is fb girls and centro street walkers are now in lleras and gustos charging 200-300 usd.

There was a time when Gustos was a great place and I swore by this place.

But now it's absolute trash.

I met may utr non pro types and still follow them til this day on sm.

These girls are not the prepago or street hooker types.

La Isla is also getting real bad. Once again it's not the price that bothers me. But I never had problems with girls giving me BBBJCIM or anal at la Isla.

Now these girls who are worse looking than before won't even budge.

Why? Cause now it's the norm for idiots to throw money and make it rain.

I'm all for guys having a good time. But my issue is they're all posers.

The quality of girls have drastically taken a dive.

This was my scene. The upper echelon and more expensive outlets.

But now I wouldn't go back to Gustos. And I'll prob never pull from la Isla.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2817845]Medellin has been going downhill for a while now.

It's not the pricing that bothers me.

But it's the fact that girls who simply aren't worth the price they're charging.

Prime example is fb girls and centro street walkers are now in lleras and gustos charging 200-300 usd.

There was a time when Gustos was a great place and I swore by this place.

But now it's absolute trash.

I met may utr non pro types and still follow them til this day on sm.

These girls are not the prepago or street hooker types.

La Isla is also getting real bad. Once again it's not the price that bothers me. But I never had problems with girls giving me BBBJCIM or anal at la Isla..[/QUOTE]I'm over this Gustos discussion. But seriously, I see 300 and now 400 USD being talked about as fact. Has anyone admitted to paying those prices? And I mostly read those quotes from people who swore Gustos off long ago.

As for the guys that make it rain, they disgust me. They are small peckered idiots who do it to laugh at the girls. But I don't think they are driving up costs significantly. They toss a bunch of 2 K pesos. 50 cents each. LOL. Yes, the girls scramble and hover. But the lucky ones get what, 20 K? 40 K? They get that after 1 dance from tips.

I'm curious how these girls are getting more than the standard price. Are mongers paying the girl and she pays the cashier? Or does she tell the cashier her price? Not being argumentative here. Just curious. Maybe the standard price is no more.

[URL]https://photoprepagos.com/go/gNxz-MZFp[/URL]

I visited her last week. The first Photoprepagos girl I visited. Her price is 80 k an hour and 30 k for BBBJ. The address of her building is in her add it's off Calle 44 on carrera 79 A. Well let me start off with saying she's ugly and looks nothing like her pictures. This is the one I probably should have walked away from, but with time constraints and since I traveled there I got oral from her anyways. When I got to the room the bed took up the entire place. It's basically a shitty casa room. She wanted 60 k for CIM and I declined. I ended up doing CIM because She didn't pull it out of her mouth. Of course when I was leaving she says 60 k for the CIM. I said no. Why should I pay for that when I said no to begin with and she didn't have to keep it in her mouth. She a gave a lousy BJ and even though I paid for an hour I stayed 25 min. Not mentioned the photoshopped pictures. I would say she should work in a casa, but what for. Most would pass on her in a casa line up anyways. So she's probably better off duping customers with her pictures and leaving them with little options.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2817830]If the at the top establishments (Lutrons, fase II, L ISLA) are all charging 90-100 USD for one hour with a Chica why would u pay a Gustos girl 300-400 USD?

Someone also posted that a mansion girl charges 200K pesos at the mansion but wants 200 USD at Gusto;s how is this acceptable?

Take back control of the market gents, fine ass pussy is in abundance in Colombia. [/QUOTE]First of all, 90-100 USD at la isla is not a full hour session, but 30-40 minutes. Second of all, most Gusto girls would agree to 200-250 USD, or even lower, as one of the recent posters confirmed. Still pricey, but definitely not as high as 400 USD. Thirdly, Gusto girls usually stay with you for a few hours, sometimes overnight, depending on what you agreed on or how comfortable she is with you. Rarely they do more than 1 client per night, while La Isla girls can fuck multiple guys back to back, since sessions are short, and they fuck on site, no time is wasted on ubers, etc. Try to get La Isla girl for a takeout and see what she is going to quote you, because of the lost income opportunity. I bet it would be in the 1 to 1. 5 million pesos, which is basically Gusto rates.

She So Hot!! [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016840396258[/URL].

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2815341]Several rookie mistakes here. You are the one with the money not them. Regardless of whatever she quotes to you, you need to respond with "siempre pago 40 mil why yo pago la pieza" that will put you into the proper going rate range. If she says no you say no too. There are many more that will say yes do fuck her, and plus you can tell from her vibe she's a ***** if she says no, so fuck her. Second rookie mistake, you pay after the deed. "siempre pago despus. "you pay for the pieza with a 50 mil bill as long as the pie a is 10 mil or less you get back 40 mil to pay the girl. I recommend using Botero Real, the red hotel directly in front of the church (they charge 9 mil for 30 mins often longer before knock comes but officially it's 30 mins just ask for un ratico when paying and it's 9 mil).

As far as the knife thing it would have been avoided if you had exact change. As for her shitty attitude try to chat them up a bit before you take her to the room you can usually get a vibe for how they will be in the room based on how they interact with you during the pregame chat. Bitches that don't pay me much attention or answer with an attitude get the "mejor otro DIA, Chao" and girls that smile and show attention and interest get the "vamos a la pieza. ".

Also if your Spanish isn't atleast good enough to handle that without using your fucking google translate app on your phone, then you have no business in El centro.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Definitely some assumptions here in your response. I did talk to the girl beforehand, and it was totally fine. It was also completely in Spanish (including all of the convo inside of the room). I paid at the hotel desk, which OK I guess you guys in centro pay after the fact. But normally it doesn't make any difference at all. The only thing I didn't realize is that the rates mentioned on the forum of 35 k-50 k are for 30 minute sessions, not 15.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2817492]Use a love motel.[/QUOTE]Which one would you recommend that has airtight and trustworthy security?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2817845]Medellin has been going downhill for a while now.

It's not the pricing that bothers me.

[/QUOTE]I don't know what Medellin was like before, but for Colombia I'll have to agree that it's actually bad. Like every part from the low-end scene to the higher-end scene is just worse. The clubs are worse. The street action is worse. The massage places are worse. The city is nice though, and the non-P2 P scene is better. I stopped doing my daily reports earlier, but I think for like my day 7 I finally went to Parque lleras. I talked to a few girls, and they were charging 300 k / h + 90 k for the room. Majority of the girls were super mid, and then there were just a few attractive girls. I was talking to the girls outside the barricades, so maybe it's different inside and at Gustos and whatever. But it's funny there were actually 2 girls I recognized from Bogota who charge 130 k / h in Bogota but wanted 390 k / h here.

I never understood the thing about people complaining about others paying higher prices, but in mass quanties I guess it does actually make a difference. Like I'm fine with paying 400 k to see some of the girls at La Isla. Hong Kong Tijuanna is $100 to see a girl, and I've seen like 60-80 girls there. The hottest girls at La Isla are definitely hotter than the hottest girls at HK Tijuana. But seeing $200 to see a girl in Colombia is definitely the effect of this place being a way more common tourist destination.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2817859]I'm over this Gustos discussion. But seriously, I see 300 and now 400 USD being talked about as fact. Has anyone admitted to paying those prices? And I mostly read those quotes from people who swore Gustos off long ago...[/QUOTE]I didn't session at Gusto. I went after reading your reports. I saw nothing I like and it was too packed to stick around so I asked a few girls their rate. The starting price was at USD200/ HR, USD300/ HR. I know I probably can get different result if I took your approach, but it wasn't a pleasant environment so I didn't stick around long. I don't even feel the price is that bad as they are honest about it's quoted in USD. To me there is no reason to spend that kind of money with average girls for my taste. I could easily get someone much better with the same price elsewhere.

As has been reported by one newbie here before, he did not pay at casher at La Isla, he paid girl in the room with a higher price and they even had an argument. Basically, you see scammy behaviors on all venues from La Isla to El Centro SWs in Medellln now. The worst thing is the service go completely downhill. La Isla was a much nicer place before Pandemic but now it felt like a clip joint if you have visit it before the change.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2817859]I'm curious how these girls are getting more than the standard price. Are mongers paying the girl and she pays the cashier? Or does she tell the cashier her price? Not being argumentative here. Just curious. Maybe the standard price is no more.[/QUOTE]I do not think there was ever a standard price in these type places. You could always negotiate with the girl. You give the girl the money and she gives it to the cashier, who then writes the amount down under the girl's name. There is a fee for the room, then before the girl leaves for the night, they give her the money she made. Casas have standard prices, but in strip / fuck clubs, you pay what you negotiate.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2817889][URL]https://photoprepagos.com/go/gNxz-MZFp[/URL]

I visited her last week. The first Photoprepagos girl I visited. Her price is 80 k an hour and 30 k for BBBJ. The address of her building is in her add it's off Calle 44 on carrera 79 A. Well let me start off with saying she's ugly and looks nothing like her pictures.[/QUOTE]It is pretty obvious the pictures are photoshopped. There is like an unnatural haze on the person.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2817983]I didn't session at Gusto. I went after reading your reports. I saw nothing I like and it was too packed to stick around so I asked a few girls their rate. The starting price was at USD200/ HR, USD300/ HR. I know I probably can get different result if I took your approach, but it wasn't a pleasant environment so I didn't stick around long. I don't even feel the price is that bad as they are honest about it's quoted in USD. To me there is no reason to spend that kind of money with average girls for my taste. I could easily get someone much better with the same price elsewhere.

As has been reported by one newbie here before, he did not pay at casher at La Isla, he paid girl in the room with a higher price and they even had an argument. Basically, you see scammy behaviors on all venues from La Isla to El Centro SWs in Medellln now. The worst thing is the service go completely downhill. La Isla was a much nicer place before Pandemic but now it felt like a clip joint if you have visit it before the change.[/QUOTE]Sorry if my reports sent you and you didn't enjoy it. Like you said, I'm sure you could have worked down below $200 USD, but if you don't like the environment, why bother. It is loud, for sure. Honestly, I don't even know why I like the environment. I'm almost 50 and don't dance. It's just the allure of something different, I suppose.

I'm not one that gets a girl at La Isla every time. But each time I did, I paid the cashier directly. I really never bothered to negotiate because I thought it was a fixed price. Good to know, thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817994]I do not think there was ever a standard price in these type places. You could always negotiate with the girl. You give the girl the money and she gives it to the cashier, who then writes the amount down under the girl's name. There is a fee for the room, then before the girl leaves for the night, they give her the money she made. Casas have standard prices, but in strip / fuck clubs, you pay what you negotiate.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I've never paid the girl directly. Honestly, I've only picked up a girl half of the times I've gone there. It's just got a weird vibe to me. I've never even negotiated with a girl in La Isla. I went to the cashier, paid 350 k or whatever it was and off we went. Maybe I missed out and overpaid by not negotiating. LOL But I will say I haven't had a bad session there.

Yes Angie is hot! However good luck tracking her down. I tried once. Like most of the chicas its all about timing with them. Most live in the moment. Many aren't reliable.

I may try to get up w / her next week while I'm there. As always too many to choose from! Choose several because they have no problem leaving Men hanging.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2817908]She So Hot!! [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016840396258[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2817994]I do not think there was ever a standard price in these type places. You could always negotiate with the girl. You give the girl the money and she gives it to the cashier, who then writes the amount down under the girl's name. There is a fee for the room, then before the girl leaves for the night, they give her the money she made. Casas have standard prices, but in strip / fuck clubs, you pay what you negotiate.[/QUOTE]In past years, at the top and mid-tier strip clubs (La Isla, Fase Dos, Luna Lunera, San Diego Grill), I could always obtain a quoted, set house rate (from a waiter / cashier / bartender) for a 40 or 1 HR session with one of the resident chicas. Ditto, for at least Fase Dos and Luna Lunera during my January thru March visit earlier this year. From more recent reports, it does seems that the policy has changed, at least at La Isla, and the girls may be setting / negotiating their own fee for service.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2817908]She So Hot!! [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016840396258[/URL].[/QUOTE]I've seen her in my gym. Didn't know she's a working girl.

I'm a Brazil regular but Medellin was really easy to quickly build a roaster of top talent. I'm picky, yet in about 3 months, less if we consider travelling, I have 10-15 (what I consider) top tier girls I'm seeing and a growing list of 150 to 200 girls I have yet to even meet. Doubt I will be able to meet most of them, there are just too many. I cannot understand how so many hot girls are available. Of all the cities I've seen, it is probably the best so far for GFE P4P. One reason it works is that logistically, the city is the perfect size. Not too big, not too small. Without traffic, I had girls travel the entire city in less than 30 min. But it's also the last place I would suggest anyone looking for something even remotely serious.

I met quite a few board members here over the last few weeks and always fun to kick it.

Other points:

-Still haven't made my way to Centro or checked any casas.

-Parque Lleras is mostly a gringo trap. Funny enough, I saw at least 20 familiar faces there from Santa Fe Bogota.

-I've been to La Isla a few times with friends during prime time and have yet to see any girl I thought was really hot. Maybe it was a few bad nights? Walking around in any mall I see prettier girls.

-Despite the criticism, I actually like Gusto haha and never had issues there, quite some hot girls, the club is great and the music top notch as they have DJs flown in from the US all the time.

Favorite restos are Carmen, Relato, Oci. Mde, Colosal, Cuon. Cielo is way overrated IMO.

Chill spots include Envy, Montre, Coracao, Deriva. For partying, Icono, Zenith and Dubai.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2818090]I've seen her in my gym. Didn't know she's a working girl.[/QUOTE]If me and her have 4 friends (who are mongers) in common, then the verdict is in!

Going to Medellin in mid July. I know this is a mongering forum, but what else do you guys recommend to do as far as restaurants and places to go.

I will be going in mid July and if anyone is down to meet and maybe smoke a cigar I am down. I will be going solo so it would be nice to spend it with a fellow American. Message me if interested.

I will probably do a little pay for play but not making it the focus of my trip.

Do you guys prefer Poblado or Laureles? My spanish is probably at 15%.

Have any of you guys been successful in banging girls out there without paying for it?

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2818036]Yes Angie is hot! However good luck tracking her down. I tried once. Like most of the chicas its all about timing with them. Most live in the moment. Many aren't reliable.

I may try to get up w / her next week while I'm there. As always too many to choose from! Choose several because they have no problem leaving Men hanging.[/QUOTE]I've seen Angie in 2018. I give her credit she's kept her body in shape.

She is married with kids and the husband knows.

She gives a mean BBBJCIM.

When I saw her it was 250 mil. I asked for anal she said she was a virgin back there. I made her an offer she accepted and we did it.

If you're going to see her have some 420 available since she's a straight stoner.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2818036]Yes Angie is hot! However good luck tracking her down. I tried once. Like most of the chicas its all about timing with them. Most live in the moment. Many aren't reliable.

I may try to get up w / her next week while I'm there. As always too many to choose from! Choose several because they have no problem leaving Men hanging.[/QUOTE]Last I heard she only sees a select few whom she has seen years before and likes.

The time I was with her many years ago she was very hot but she had a movie star attitude.

Others have said she was very nice and fun but that may have been before her head got a little gassed up.

She's had some recent grille work done I can tell. Not sure why because she already had a pretty face. But we all know how these Colombianas are LOL. I actually did see her 1 night about 4 years ago at Pargue Lleras of all places, crossing the street. She looked to be heading somewhere so I didn't bother her. She's agreed to meet w / me before but couldn't track her down and I do not chase!

[QUOTE=Lou32;2818177]Last I heard she only sees a select few whom she has seen years before and likes.

The time I was with her many years ago she was very hot but she had a movie star attitude.

Others have said she was very nice and fun but that may have been before her head got a little gassed up.[/QUOTE]

I was fortunate to have been with her very early in her "career" - Boyd from the Castillo set me up. Back then she was 170, which was a premium over the 150 or less you had to pay. She was good. But once she became more commercial, I stopped seeing her (which is normally what I do). Did not know she was married. She had a kid from way back. Maybe she has more now? She has to keep working out of that ass and those thighs will get out of control! Good luck with hooking up with her. If the OP does, be sure to let us know what you think about her now.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2818154]I've seen Angie in 2018. I give her credit she's kept her body in shape.

She is married with kids and the husband knows.

She gives a mean BBBJCIM.

When I saw her it was 250 mil. I asked for anal she said she was a virgin back there. I made her an offer she accepted and we did it.

If you're going to see her have some 420 available since she's a straight stoner.[/QUOTE]

Ibiza in Itagui. Just off the highway.

[QUOTE=MikeGirobari;2817943]Which one would you recommend that has airtight and trustworthy security?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2818022]Sorry if my reports sent you and you didn't enjoy it. Like you said, I'm sure you could have worked down below $200 USD, but if you don't like the environment, why bother. It is loud, for sure. Honestly, I don't even know why I like the environment. I'm almost 50 and don't dance. It's just the allure of something different, I suppose.

I'm not one that gets a girl at La Isla every time. But each time I did, I paid the cashier directly. I really never bothered to negotiate because I thought it was a fixed price. Good to know, thanks.[/QUOTE]I value your report and I have been to Gusto several times before. It's a nice bar. This time, it was just too packed. I like what La Isla used to be that I can relax in the club with a table and have a few drinks. La Isla was fixed price before. I was commenting on the change for the worse.

I've seen this girl on FB, and Seeking. I think she's a cam model in MDE. I don't think this profile is real. Any one any info and if she does pre-paid?

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083122604662[/URL]

To follow up my last post, I found the real one:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100079913050428&sk=about[/URL]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2817908]She So Hot!! [URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016840396258[/URL].[/QUOTE]Jaja, I'm mostly joking although if she really was born in 95 she's a little on the old side for my taste. Obviously, she is hot and if given a chance I would definitely meet her. I don't have her as a friend. We have a handful of mutual friends so I sent her a request for kicks. For those of you that already have her as a friend I'm curious about something. Her most recent picture available for me to see as a non-friend is from May of 2021. Does she still look this good 2 years later?

I had a situation with Uber on my trip that I just returned from. I used Uber a bunch of times while I was there, both for rides for me and rides for chicas to and from. I generally prefer to use Uber when it's available. It seems like a safer option to me than Indriver although I have no data points to back that up. Indriver generally seems to have more drivers available and for about the same cost. I don't ever take taxis except for the guys that I have met personally, usually through recommendations. But I digress.

Back to the Uber story. I went to Lleras just one time on this past trip and to get home ordered an Uber with two stops, first to drop my friend off and then on to drop me off. The total was around 21 k pesos. There was an upcharge because of demand even though he was actually sitting across the street on Calle 10 when I ordered it. No problem. He took my friend home and then he took me home. I closed the app and went to bed. I found the problem when I woke up around 11 the next morning. The Uber receipt in my email said the trip cost was over 150 k and that the trip had ended 3. 5 hours after he had actually dropped me off. I looked up the route and it showed this crazy trip all over Medellin. You could actually see that he drove by my apartment twice.

I sent a message to Uber explaining the situation thinking obviously this is a mistake and they will just issue the credit. I received a reply in Spanish which basically said that if I did not like the route the driver was taking I should have told him to take a different route. Furthermore it said the amount of credit I was requesting was above some limit that they have. I replied once again that this was either a big error on Uber's part or intentional fraud on the part of the driver. I received a reply back almost immediately with the exact same verbiage as the first response, only this time in English.

So I called my credit card company and they said once it posts I need to call back and they will dispute it for me. I'm hopeful it will be credited then. But I guess I need to do more than just watch my receipts and make sure every trip shows as ended when I arrive at my destination. Has anybody else ever had an experience like this?

I'm just wondering that after you dispute this will Uber block you from using again. Could happen. Keep us posted. I would think contact an English speaking Uber associate in the states to get it resolved properly.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2818350]I had a situation with Uber on my trip that I just returned from. I used Uber a bunch of times while I was there, both for rides for me and rides for chicas to and from. I generally prefer to use Uber when it's available. It seems like a safer option to me than Indriver although I have no data points to back that up. Indriver generally seems to have more drivers available and for about the same cost. I don't ever take taxis except for the guys that I have met personally, usually through recommendations. But I digress.

Back to the Uber story. I went to Lleras just one time on this past trip and to get home ordered an Uber with two stops, first to drop my friend off and then on to drop me off. The total was around 21 k pesos. There was an upcharge because of demand even though he was actually sitting across the street on Calle 10 when I ordered it. No problem. He took my friend home and then he took me home. I closed the app and went to bed. I found the problem when I woke up around 11 the next morning. The Uber receipt in my email said the trip cost was over 150 k and that the trip had ended 3. 5 hours after he had actually dropped me off. I looked up the route and it showed this crazy trip all over Medellin. You could actually see that he drove by my apartment twice.

I sent a message to Uber explaining the situation thinking obviously this is a mistake and they will just issue the credit. I received a reply in Spanish which basically said that if I did not like the route the driver was taking I should have told him to take a different route. Furthermore it said the amount of credit I was requesting was above some limit that they have. I replied once again that this was either a big error on Uber's part or intentional fraud on the part of the driver. I received a reply back almost immediately with the exact same verbiage as the first response, only this time in English.[/QUOTE]

How do you figure? Because of how many friends? This Cam Model has more fakes using her pics more then any I've ever seen in Colombia. I've seen at least 10 profiles myself.

Most are men LOL!

[QUOTE=DrPistol;2818285]To follow up my last post, I found the real one:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100079913050428&sk=about[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2818350] trip cost was over 150 k and that the trip had ended 3. 5 hours after he had actually dropped me off. I looked up the route and it showed this crazy trip all over Medellin. You could actually see that he drove by my apartment twice.[/QUOTE]If your credit card charges back from Uber, they may permanently ban you. Consider that.

That said, this is a VERY common and VERY intentional scam in Medellin. It is extremely offensive Uber is being so stupid to pretend they don't know you're reporting the typical Medellin scam. The idiots did it to me in the middle of the day there. I would go to the same mall 5-6 days a week. And he drove around for like 2 hours after and went to parts of the city I never go to. I contacted Uber and said. Just look at the freaking map! I got out of the car at the mall that I have gone to every day almost for the past month. It is obvious fraud.

I think I got a refund and it was all fixed, but sadly I can't say 100% because I don't remember carefully checking.

I've had this Uber scam tried on me a few times in Medellin. Like a lot of scams it only seems to be popular in Medellin. Monitor your trips closely. If you don't get a Uber receipt email within a couple of minutes after the end of your ride, use the app to check your status. If the ride shows still open, cancel the ride. The cancellation will have the effect of stopping the drag on ride. You'll end up paying for the original part of the ride but not the tag on.

Hi,

Can someone please help me finding a guest friendly hotel near Plaza Botero, I know about hotel nutibara looking for more suggestions, thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2818350]I had a situation with Uber on my trip that I just returned from. I used Uber a bunch of times while I was there, both for rides for me and rides for chicas to and from. I generally prefer to use Uber when it's available. It seems like a safer option to me than Indriver although I have no data points to back that up. Indriver generally seems to have more drivers available and for about the same cost. I don't ever take taxis except for the guys that I have met personally, usually through recommendations. But I digress.

Back to the Uber story. I went to Lleras just one time on this past trip and to get home ordered an Uber with two stops, first to drop my friend off and then on to drop me off. The total was around 21 k pesos. There was an upcharge because of demand even though he was actually sitting across the street on Calle 10 when I ordered it. No problem. He took my friend home and then he took me home. I closed the app and went to bed. I found the problem when I woke up around 11 the next morning. The Uber receipt in my email said the trip cost was over 150 k and that the trip had ended 3. 5 hours after he had actually dropped me off. I looked up the route and it showed this crazy trip all over Medellin. You could actually see that he drove by my apartment twice.

I sent a message to Uber explaining the situation thinking obviously this is a mistake and they will just issue the credit. I received a reply in Spanish which basically said that if I did not like the route the driver was taking I should have told him to take a different route. Furthermore it said the amount of credit I was requesting was above some limit that they have. I replied once again that this was either a big error on Uber's part or intentional fraud on the part of the driver. I received a reply back almost immediately with the exact same verbiage as the first response, only this time in English.

So I called my credit card company and they said once it posts I need to call back and they will dispute it for me. I'm hopeful it will be credited then. But I guess I need to do more than just watch my receipts and make sure every trip shows as ended when I arrive at my destination. Has anybody else ever had an experience like this?[/QUOTE]You tell the driver the max your willing to pay for the ride, they can either accept it or ignore it. Download app, problem solved. UBER is illegal in Colombia for a reason.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2818422]If you don't get a Uber receipt email within a couple of minutes after the end of your ride, use the app to check your status. If the ride shows still open, cancel the ride. The cancellation will have the effect of stopping the drag on ride. You'll end up paying for the original part of the ride but not the tag on.[/QUOTE]You can always switch your Uber to pay cash.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2818422]I've had this Uber scam tried on me a few times in Medellin. Like a lot of scams it only seems to be popular in Medellin. Monitor your trips closely. If you don't get a Uber receipt email within a couple of minutes after the end of your ride, use the app to check your status. If the ride shows still open, cancel the ride. The cancellation will have the effect of stopping the drag on ride. You'll end up paying for the original part of the ride but not the tag on.[/QUOTE]I have been to Medellin 3 times. I take Uber everywhere and I have them pick up chicas. I would never trust chicas bringing a "driver" to my Airbnb. The rides I take on Uber are like. 41 cents tu 5 dollars.

I don't trust cabs or any other apps out there at all.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2818441]Hi,

Can someone please help me finding a guest friendly hotel near Plaza Botero, I know about hotel nutibara looking for more suggestions, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately there are no guest friendly hotels in and around the area you described.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2817558]Wow! HELP. That was my first introduction to mongering back in like 2004 or so. My goodness. I swear if that place was open today I don't think I would have even ventured into Colombia.

The atompshere, the vibe, the energy the shear SIZE of it. I loved how it felt like a real club and it was like even though all the girls were working you still felt like there wasn't this hard sell from the girls.

I think I banged to this day the most beauitful girl there ever, but my goodness she was on a next level in terms of understanding men and how to manipulate them. I was way too young to even understand but damn.

Soo so sooo many good fucks there, There will never be anything like it again at the size that was. I think it was even taughted as "the largest club in south america" it just so happend to have working girls there.

If you look in my profile you can see reports of it in the rio fourm somehwere. Props for the reminder.[/QUOTE]The Tall Man is in your court with regards to HELP disco in Rio, been there a few times in the early 2000's and what memories of the chicas, the dancing, the energy and hey it's Rio after all.

Enough said!

TTM.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2818517]I have been to Medellin 3 times. I take Uber everywhere and I have them pick up chicas. I would never trust chicas bringing a "driver" to my Airbnb. The rides I take on Uber are like. 41 cents tu 5 dollars.

I don't trust cabs or any other apps out there at all.[/QUOTE]I've lived here for almost 4 years now. I take taxis everywhere and I don't have any bad experiences to report. Of course if you are getting your taxis at Parque Lleras or close by. Then there might be someone trying to take advantage. Afterall that is the tourist zone where the rich foreigners stay.

Locals use taxis for short trips or the Metro or buses of course. Longer trips (like for example Laureles to Bello) they all seem to use InDriver. As someone pointed out, enter your pick-up and destination and your suggested price. You may get counter-offers. If nothing happens raise your price 1 mil. Easey Peasy.

I think people should know that outside of the Parque Lleras area, taxis are just fine. Of course it would help if you can articulate in Spanish where you want to go. Failing that give him the destination written on a card or piece of paper. I'm pretty friendly with a group of ex-pats that are living here and I haven't heard of any incidents or problems with a taxi.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2818350]I had a situation with Uber on my trip that I just returned from. I used Uber a bunch of times while I was there, both for rides for me and rides for chicas to and from. I generally prefer to use Uber when it's available. It seems like a safer option to me than Indriver although I have no data points to back that up. Indriver generally seems to have more drivers available and for about the same cost. I don't ever take taxis except for the guys that I have met personally, usually through recommendations. But I digress.

Back to the Uber story. I went to Lleras just one time on this past trip and to get home ordered an Uber with two stops, first to drop my friend off and then on to drop me off. The total was around 21 k pesos. There was an upcharge because of demand even though he was actually sitting across the street on Calle 10 when I ordered it. No problem. He took my friend home and then he took me home. I closed the app and went to bed. I found the problem when I woke up around 11 the next morning. The Uber receipt in my email said the trip cost was over 150 k and that the trip had ended 3. 5 hours after he had actually dropped me off. I looked up the route and it showed this crazy trip all over Medellin. You could actually see that he drove by my apartment twice.

I sent a message to Uber explaining the situation thinking obviously this is a mistake and they will just issue the credit. I received a reply in Spanish which basically said that if I did not like the route the driver was taking I should have told him to take a different route. Furthermore it said the amount of credit I was requesting was above some limit that they have. I replied once again that this was either a big error on Uber's part or intentional fraud on the part of the driver. I received a reply back almost immediately with the exact same verbiage as the first response, only this time in English.

So I called my credit card company and they said once it posts I need to call back and they will dispute it for me. I'm hopeful it will be credited then. But I guess I need to do more than just watch my receipts and make sure every trip shows as ended when I arrive at my destination. Has anybody else ever had an experience like this?[/QUOTE]I always use inDriver and it's always in cash. You put in the amount your willing to pay and drivers will accept it or offer a counter offer. I have never had a problem with InDriver. Avoid using regular taxis if possible tho, they have counterfeit bills they use to give you your change. Taxistas are scam artists.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2818350]I had a situation with Uber on my trip that I just returned from. I used Uber a bunch of times while I was there, both for rides for me and rides for chicas to and from. I generally prefer to use Uber when it's available. It seems like a safer option to me than Indriver although I have no data points to back that up. Indriver generally seems to have more drivers available and for about the same cost. I don't ever take taxis except for the guys that I have met personally, usually through recommendations. But I digress.

Back to the Uber story. I went to Lleras just one time on this past trip and to get home ordered an Uber with two stops, first to drop my friend off and then on to drop me off. The total was around 21 k pesos. There was an upcharge because of demand even though he was actually sitting across the street on Calle 10 when I ordered it. No problem. He took my friend home and then he took me home. I closed the app and went to bed. I found the problem when I woke up around 11 the next morning. The Uber receipt in my email said the trip cost was over 150 k and that the trip had ended 3. 5 hours after he had actually dropped me off. I looked up the route and it showed this crazy trip all over Medellin. You could actually see that he drove by my apartment twice.

I sent a message to Uber explaining the situation thinking obviously this is a mistake and they will just issue the credit. I received a reply in Spanish which basically said that if I did not like the route the driver was taking I should have told him to take a different route. Furthermore it said the amount of credit I was requesting was above some limit that they have. I replied once again that this was either a big error on Uber's part or intentional fraud on the part of the driver. I received a reply back almost immediately with the exact same verbiage as the first response, only this time in English.

So I called my credit card company and they said once it posts I need to call back and they will dispute it for me. I'm hopeful it will be credited then. But I guess I need to do more than just watch my receipts and make sure every trip shows as ended when I arrive at my destination. Has anybody else ever had an experience like this?[/QUOTE]Oh and I forgot to mention actually better yet than InDriver is to just use the good old public transit. One of the main reasons I chose medellin over Bogota to rent and apartment and live her when I'm not working was the metro system. The metro, tranvia, metro cable and integrated busses can get you just about anywhere you need to go and for a fraction of the cost. Current price is only 2880 pesos for using both lines of the metro and the attached metro cables and then you can pay a discounted prices of 1800 if you need to transfer to a bus after using the metro. And I have never not one time had a bus driver or metro station give me back counterfeit money or any other kind of scams. Also there are lots of police and cameras throughout the metro system and it is safe and for the most part reliable (although linea K metro cable was down for a cpl hours this evening but that is not the norm).

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2818441]Hi,

Can someone please help me finding a guest friendly hotel near Plaza Botero, I know about hotel nutibara looking for more suggestions, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Calle Real and Premier Plaza and various others up in prado area a cpl blocks up the street from hotel nutibara (if you have the cajones to stay in that area LOL).

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2818688]Calle Real and Premier Plaza and various others up in prado area a cpl blocks up the street from hotel nutibara (if you have the cajones to stay in that area LOL).[/QUOTE]Almost like Halloween late at night around the Veracruz Church area, not a good place to be for anyone who is afraid of their shadow. LOL.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2818688]Calle Real and Premier Plaza and various others up in prado area a cpl blocks up the street from hotel nutibara (if you have the cajones to stay in that area LOL).[/QUOTE]Thanks for quick reply, I have seen Calle Real but was not sure it was guest friendly, between Calle Real and Premier Plaza which one you think us better (in terms of amenities).

Poblado, especially Parque Lleras, the Poblado metro station and the Domino's Pizza on la 10 are ground zero for ride share and taxi ripoffs. In fact, they are ground zero for gringo ripoffs of every kind. Uber cleverly words its support questions so you have to pay attention to how you report situations like this. What works is to select the driver did not end the trip after he dropped me off selection. From the description of uber's response it sounds like they assumed the original poster was still in the vehicle the entire time.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2818543]I've lived here for almost 4 years now. I take taxis everywhere and I don't have any bad experiences to report. Of course if you are getting your taxis at Parque Lleras or close by. Then there might be someone trying to take advantage. Afterall that is the tourist zone where the rich foreigners stay.

Locals use taxis for short trips or the Metro or buses of course. Longer trips (like for example Laureles to Bello) they all seem to use InDriver. As someone pointed out, enter your pick-up and destination and your suggested price. You may get counter-offers. If nothing happens raise your price 1 mil. Easey Peasy.

I think people should know that outside of the Parque Lleras area, taxis are just fine. Of course it would help if you can articulate in Spanish where you want to go. Failing that give him the destination written on a card or piece of paper. I'm pretty friendly with a group of ex-pats that are living here and I haven't heard of any incidents or problems with a taxi.[/QUOTE]

I had a problem in another country. I had to open a new uber account. Uber blocked me from using the app unless I paid the credit card chargeback. I used a different card and e-mail address to open a new account and it's like it never happened. It wasn't even enough money to justify the inconvenience but I feel it's important to give Uber some incentive to keep tricky drivers in line.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2818378]If your credit card charges back from Uber, they may permanently ban you. Consider that.

That said, this is a VERY common and VERY intentional scam in Medellin. It is extremely offensive Uber is being so stupid to pretend they don't know you're reporting the typical Medellin scam. The idiots did it to me in the middle of the day there. I would go to the same mall 5-6 days a week. And he drove around for like 2 hours after and went to parts of the city I never go to. I contacted Uber and said. Just look at the freaking map! I got out of the car at the mall that I have gone to every day almost for the past month. It is obvious fraud.

I think I got a refund and it was all fixed, but sadly I can't say 100% because I don't remember carefully checking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2818584]I always use inDriver and it's always in cash. You put in the amount your willing to pay and drivers will accept it or offer a counter offer. I have never had a problem with InDriver. Avoid using regular taxis if possible tho, they have counterfeit bills they use to give you your change. Taxistas are scam artists.[/QUOTE]You have the option to pay the ride in cash.

Hey fellas, theres been a few posts lately about looking for "good" girls in Medellin for a GF,/ relationship. First this is not what this forum is about. Second a tell tale sign she's not. If she has photos at these nice restaurants in Poblado. I like to eat there too but don't go foolin yourselves fellas cause someones paying for those dinners and theyre not usually paying cause theyre interested in her personality. Haha just keep a sane head on your shoulders and don't take it all too seriously. Have fun here.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2818477]You can always switch your Uber to pay cash.[/QUOTE]My trip last year in Cali, I had to switch to "pay in cash" because it was a lot easier to get an uber that way. Someone explained to me the drivers preferred cash payment and most wouldn't come pick you up if you had it set for pay by credit card.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2818750]Thanks for quick reply, I have seen Calle Real but was not sure it was guest friendly, between Calle Real and Premier Plaza which one you think us better (in terms of amenities).[/QUOTE]I've stayed at both establishments, totally guest friendly. Calle Real is old and funky. If you stay there ask for a room at the back of the building as it will be quiet versus a room in the front. Premier Plaza is more modern, some rooms with jacuzzi tubs and fuck chairs, however you need to stay away from a room in the front, they can be very bright and hot and noisy, and immediately behind the Hotel you can at times hear noise from the bars along the street. If you stay there, ask for a room in the middle, it will be the quietest. Not sure whether they have a joiner fee meaning if your staying overnight whether they will charge a fee for bringing in multiple Chicas. Years ago it was unlimited but I think they charge a joiner fee, maybe 10,000 COP. There's no air conditioning at either place, and both will have hot water (hopefully). Just be advised thought that if you've never been here before, are an obvious gringo with no Spanish speaking skills it can be dicey after around 9 PM walking around alone, especially along the passage way from Calle Real down to Premier Plaza by the Veracruz Church. As far as amenities, well you will be lucky if you get a room that has a toilet seat, let alone a showerhead. There's no AC at these places, so if I had to choose, and I wanted something more modern then Premier Plaza might work for you. And of course Nutibarra is kind of old and funky as well, but for going out at night it would be a safer bet then the other too because there is direct access by taxi to the front door where as you will have to walk a ways to the ohters.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2818750]Thanks for quick reply, I have seen Calle Real but was not sure it was guest friendly, between Calle Real and Premier Plaza which one you think us better (in terms of amenities).[/QUOTE]Last time I stayed at Calle Real it was 40 mil per day for a basic room and they were chica friendly but charged a fee of 10 mil per visit for chicas. Also they need to have a cedula in order to come up to your room, Venezuelan cedulas were ok. This was in 2021 however so they may have raised the prices since then.

Premier Plaza I believe is currently 70 mil per day and they are chica friendly (obvio as it also functions as a short time hotel). Not sure what the visitor fee is there but I believe it's around 18 k per hour when used as a short term hotel so probably something like that for the visitor fee for people staying there per diem.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2818750]Thanks for quick reply, I have seen Calle Real but was not sure it was guest friendly, between Calle Real and Premier Plaza which one you think us better (in terms of amenities).[/QUOTE]In terms of amenities I have heard premier Plaza is better, I've only used it as a short time hotel, whereas with Calle Real I lived there for about a month back in 2021. I know Calle Real had a mini fridge in the room, a decent bed and flat screen TV with HDMI hook up for connecting a laptop and also had hot water.

I believe they said the room I used to stay in with the windows was going to be turned into a jacuzzi room, so they may offer a jacuzzi sweet at Calle Real now.

-Gabacho.

I just saw a video that said Lleras has changed after the construction. They mentioned the girls have moved. Is this true or have they just dispersed throughout the park?

[QUOTE=Marxh;2818914]I just saw a video that said Lleras has changed after the construction. They mentioned the girls have moved. Is this true or have they just dispersed throughout the park?[/QUOTE]I was there a few days ago. The park itself looks good. There are still some girls walking around in the park area but not like before. The night I was there, many more girls were up on Calle 10 spread out over several blocks near the park. Of course the Lleras Park club still had plenty of chicas and I'm sure Gusto's did as well. I was only there one night on this trip.

Q.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2818584]I always use inDriver and it's always in cash. You put in the amount your willing to pay and drivers will accept it or offer a counter offer. I have never had a problem with InDriver. Avoid using regular taxis if possible tho, they have counterfeit bills they use to give you your change. Taxistas are scam artists.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2818827]My trip last year in Cali, I had to switch to "pay in cash" because it was a lot easier to get an uber that way. Someone explained to me the drivers preferred cash payment and most wouldn't come pick you up if you had it set for pay by credit card.[/QUOTE]I always pay in exact cash when using taxis. I never give them big bills, which is one of the reasons why I use my 50 k bills when making transactions in the stores no matter how small. I break it down to small bills so mainly any taxi transactions are one way such as me handing them the exact amount. Years back when I was leaving out of the MDE airport I was exchanging my cop back to usd and the money exchange handed me back a 2 k bill because it was counterfeit. So I just gave it to a taxi driver on my next trip. Of course it's not much money. I would've given it to a stripper or taxi cab driver there either way. Although I haven't been to a strip club Medellin quite some time now. As far as taking regular taxis, it can be tricky. Like if I'm in Plaza Botero and I want to take a cab to Poblado I'll walk over to carrera 46 Avenida oriental on the side that goes directly to Poblado. If I take a cab from Plaza Botero and say I want go to Poblado you could end up taking a full tour of Medellin. And if I'm in Poblado it's the direct opposite I'll take the cab from carrera 43 a on the side that goes in the direction towards el centro, but in this case I take it directly to Plaza Botero. I can go on about transportation what method is best such as cab, metro or even walking and that would depend on the time of day it is considering peaks hours and traffic. This is all based based on my experience of course. Last trip I tried to get a cab from Plaza Botero to Energy around 8 am in the morning, but they all were taken none were available, so I ended up walking. I never tried Uber or inDriver here, but if they take cash and I don't have to use or provide a credit car for the app I'm definitely going to give it a try.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2818914]I just saw a video that said Lleras has changed after the construction. They mentioned the girls have moved. Is this true or have they just dispersed throughout the park?[/QUOTE]Friday night I walked up to Parque Lleras from the Metro up Calle 10, and a few blocks below the Park on Calle 10, and past the Park, there were a lot of girls standing on the sidewalks.

Upon entering the Park they had it barricaded with entrances and cops. Upon walking thru the Park around 7 PM there were very few girls, at least obvious girls working, and things have changed around the Park with no cars, and tables in the streets and on the sidewalks in front of many of the places to eat and drink.

After having dinner in Provenza, I went back thru the Park after 9 PM, and there were girls in the Park scattered around, but they were not heavily concentrated in front of Gustos outside but it was early. What I did notice was at the entrance with the barricades off of Calle 10 around 9 PM, there was one cop, but he wasn't even checking people out who were entering or leaving.

So your question whether the girls have moved, well the answer is yes and no.

Prior to the Pandemic there were very few girls working Calle 10, but with the Park re-opened they are now inside but it appears as though they are not allowed to be loitering in large groups like before inside the Park, that is at least my theory. I saw no more than two girls together inside the Park, versus sometimes a heard of girls inside the Park. But later in the evening who knows, perhaps it's exactly as before.

However I did see groups of upwards of eight girls together along Calle 10, and believe the Police would break that up inside the Park, but my observations are at one point in time, and I wasn't there later in the evening as I mentioned.

I think how they have barricaded the Park, and the surrounding areas with the outdoor seating like in Provenza is a good thing. The remodeling of the Park turned out well after a long time but still isn't completely done and a lot of the side streets are still tore up.

Perhaps someone else has been out later in the evening in front of Gustos and can share what they observed within the Park.

There also is a lot of new building construction projects and remodeling going on around the Park. I think the area is poised to really take off and become kind of like the Provenza area with all the tourists.

I have no knowledge of the politics in Medellin, but my theory is that since the Medellin is becoming so touristy now, they are trying to better control the tourist spots like the Botero area, and now Parque LLeras.

Just my observations and theories after a stroll thru the Park. Someone else may have a different take based on their observations.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2818929]I never tried Uber or inDriver here, but if they take cash and I don't have to use or provide a credit car for the app I'm definitely going to give it a try.[/QUOTE]No credit card needed for either app. A third app, DiDi, is usually a little cheaper than Uber, but recently there seems to be less DiDi drivers.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2818543]I've lived here for almost 4 years now. I take taxis everywhere and I don't have any bad experiences to report. Of course if you are getting your taxis at Parque Lleras or close by. Then there might be someone trying to take advantage. Afterall that is the tourist zone where the rich foreigners stay......[/QUOTE]

We've probably flogged the Uber / Taxi horse to near death (to be sure, an uber-prosaic topic for a mongering board), but I thought that I'd get in one more whack at the horse's near corpse in order to share a couple of lessons learned from navigating the streets of Medellin over the past four years or so.

As Villainy has noted, taxis are generally safe (with the exception of some of the drivers hanging out near Parque Lleras), but I'd add that that's with one important exception that newbies should keep in mind. On 3 or 4 occasions (out of 100's of rides) I've had drivers conveniently "forget" to turn the meter on at the beginning of the trip and then try to charge double or triple the reasonable rate. As soon as you enter the cab, try to remember to check that the meter has started running.

After having used taxis exclusively for several years, I now tend to divide my trips between cabs and Uber based on the following considerations:

If I'm familiar with my destination, I know roughly what the trip should cost, and I'm in a location with plenty of taxis passing by, I'll just jump in a cab. This often saves the sometimes prolonged wait for a ride-share driver to accept the ride and show up.

However, if I've never been to the destination (and it's not near some landmark familiar to everyone e.g. Plaza Botero, a Centro Commercial) then I take an Uber since all of their drivers have the Uber Map app or use WAZE. By contrast, many taxi drivers are Luddites, who don't use smart phones with WAZE or Google maps. On several occasions I've had to sit out their driving around cluelessly for 15 minutes or more trying to find my destination address, and sometimes having to call someone at the destination to get help. In a couple of cases (e.g. coming from Laureles to an obscure Envigado address) the driver has given up altogether and returned me home. This would never happen with Uber, In-Driver, or the other rider apps.

I have had a couple of chicas tell me that they have had problems with taxi drivers at night (theft; sexual assault), but I don't have a sense that (statistically) that's a risk that us aging lechers have to much worry about. I do sometimes, especially late at night, take a good look at the driver before getting in his car, and, if I get a bad vibe, wave him away. Always happiest to find an older driver with religious medallions on the dashboard who crosses himself every time he passes by a church.

P.S.: Hola, Villainy.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2819003]taxis are generally safe ...As soon as you enter the cab, try to remember to check that the meter has started running.
[/QUOTE]Even better, just live in El Centro, then you don't need a taxi. **shrugmoji**.

This is the problem here. When you try to post or give out right info. Some one would love to argue because he thinks he knows better. HaHa.

I was at La Isla Thursday or Friday night. Cover was 80 mil peso, it was posted at enterance. It was packed with tourist. They had some disney world parade style show going on with dudes making it rain on stage.

Pyrotechniques released so much smog that it was unbareable to be there.

Beer / water / gatorade you had to buy two minimum upto 80 mil peso. Chicks were too busy on the phone.

Playing american and techno music instead of local.

It was waste of night.
over all Medellin is becoming more expensive. i think chicas are dominating scene better then mongers this year as compare to pre covid era. there is that limited supply of FB chicas 80% of them are on every one's friend list. so they are not Semi pro any more. HaHa.


[QUOTE=Carrib;2817513]Please note entrance fee at la ISLA is 50 K not 80, says so at the door. A corona beer is about 32 K not 40 and yes you can buy one.

Trying to do my part, sharing info.


PS>>>

went to La ISLA at least twice but didnt partake, went during a slow night and on a weekend where it was packed. I was quoted in dollars and 300-600K for one hour in one of the rooms. There were some stunners in there as well as weekend bros throwing money at Chicas.

One skinny (slim) blonde or fake blonde Chica came to sit next to me and we engaged in a convo, still not very fluent in spanish (I speak mostly Porto) but can manage. I guess she thought she was the shit as she quoted me 600K without batting an eye. I calmly asked her why am I getting different prices from Chicas (300K pesos now her at 600K) after a few mins she mumbled something that she need to do and got up and left. As I was leaving the club, she was sitting by herself, our eyes locked and we both smiled at each other.

There was another cute chica, kinda tall with a great body, at least an 8 on anyones scale, she spoke a bit of English, asked how much she wanted, quoted me 100 USD to go back in the room, I asked her to quote in pesos, she wanted 400K (current exchange rate ranged from 4484 to 4619 during the week) I countered with 300K but she stood firm at 400k, being quoted in pesos was a 60k difference, 60 K isnt the issue, it is taking control of the transaction not allowing the Chica to dictate the price and conversion rate.

Spent rest of my time in Laureles after that, theres an abundance of regular real cute Chicas out there and some casas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2819152]This is the problem here. When you try to post or give out right info. Some ding dong would love to argue because he thinks he knows better. HaHa.

I was at La Isla Thursday or Friday night. Cover was 80 mil peso, it was posted at enterance. It was packed with tourist. They had some disney world parade style show going on with dudes making it rain on stage.

Pyrotechniques released so much smog that it was unbareable to be there.

Beer / water / gatorade you had to buy two minimum upto 80 mil peso. Chicks were too busy on the phone.

Playing american and techno music instead of local.

It was waste of night.[/QUOTE]La isla use to be 20 k entrance and a mixture of people between locals and tourists. Taking the girl upstairs was 300 mil. The girls were truly hot and they use to be open to whatever desire you had and if one girl wouldn't another would.

Now its 80 k to enter the girls are not as hot and they won't do basic things like BBBJ etc. And their prices to take them out is a million min just for them.

This has happened because gringos are going and half the time they're not even banging these girls and paying them a million cop to dance and cuddle. This is the pathetic trend. Then these idiots come home and talk about how they're bagging such hot girls and how ez it is when I'm reality they're just paying prostitutes.

I have personally seen guys pay 1000 usd to a girl there. She was a friend. She told me the guy barely had sex cause he was too wrecked to get hard.

This is the pathetic trend that is ruining medellin and giving these girls ridiculous egos.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2819152]This is the problem here. When you try to post or give out right info. Some one would love to argue because he thinks he knows better. HaHa.

I was at La Isla Thursday or Friday night. Cover was 80 mil peso, it was posted at enterance.[/QUOTE]Is it possible they are doing different things on different nights? One night where it is slower could be 50 and a night where they had all going on that you say, the price could be jacked up to 80. You both could be right.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2819154]La isla use to be 20 k entrance and a mixture of people between locals and tourists. Taking the girl upstairs was 300 mil. The girls were truly hot and they use to be open to whatever desire you had and if one girl wouldn't another would.

Now its 80 k to enter the girls are not as hot and they won't do basic things like BBBJ etc. And their prices to take them out is a million min just for them.

This has happened because gringos are going and half the time they're not even banging these girls and paying them a million cop to dance and cuddle. This is the pathetic trend. Then these idiots come home and talk about how they're bagging such hot girls and how ez it is when I'm reality they're just paying prostitutes.

I have personally seen guys pay 1000 usd to a girl there. She was a friend. She told me the guy barely had sex cause he was too wrecked to get hard.

This is the pathetic trend that is ruining medellin and giving these girls ridiculous egos.[/QUOTE]It was ruined by youtubers. Every day, I mean daily, multiple youtubers post videos from Colombia advertising it as sex paradise full of hot girls and for cheap. What used to be secret intel you could find only on this forum is now everybody secret. It will never get better it will get just worse and worse like Thailand. There is really nothing you can do so just enjoy while it last, once something is in decline it never comes back to its former glory unless global economy collapses and simps run out of money.

Is there a gym somewhere within walking distance in El Centro. ?. I'll be staying at the Nutibara and need a place to flex my manly muscles.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2819154]La isla use to be 20 k entrance and a mixture of people between locals and tourists. Taking the girl upstairs was 300 mil. The girls were truly hot and they use to be open to whatever desire you had and if one girl wouldn't another would.

Now its 80 k to enter the girls are not as hot and they won't do basic things like BBBJ etc. And their prices to take them out is a million min just for them.

This has happened because gringos are going and half the time they're not even banging these girls and paying them a million cop to dance and cuddle. This is the pathetic trend. Then these idiots come home and talk about how they're bagging such hot girls and how ez it is when I'm reality they're just paying prostitutes.

I have personally seen guys pay 1000 usd to a girl there. She was a friend. She told me the guy barely had sex cause he was too wrecked to get hard.

This is the pathetic trend that is ruining medellin and giving these girls ridiculous egos.[/QUOTE]Yes and the buzz that we hear, the videos of people walking around spewing their BS bring more of the same. Then idiots making it rain. Kinda like the USA hip hop world mentality, big asses and stupid people. HEY, look at me I have $. The hot girls are still there. They are more selective now. Cost maybe 20-40% more. Still incredible. You won't find them in the US under what $300 for an ugly SW? . Patience and persistence is now your best game. I found 2 extremely good looking girls, got their numbers and had them meet at my hotel 2 days later. Never left my seat, was polite to everyone (even the fatties) and succeeded. I'll be back in 3 weeks. It takes 9-10 hours on a plane from Vegas (or me) . Florida is 3-4, NYC is 5. No wonder it's full of shit for brains people. (just kidding).

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2818929]Q.



I always pay in exact cash when using taxis. I never give them big bills, which is one of the reasons why I use my 50 k bills when making transactions in the stores no matter how small. .[/QUOTE]Just a nota bona for you guys out there, there are various ways to break the 50 k bills.

1) use them at a big store when getting a 10-20 k recarga for your sim card.

2) go to a big casino at la playa and get smaller notes at the cashier box.

3) use it to buy a 5 k metro card.

4) use an ATM at an open colpatria or davivienda branch (lots in the malls) and walk to the teller and they give you as many 10-20 k notes as you want.

Happy mongering.

Jw.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2819179]Is there a gym somewhere within walking distance in El Centro. ?. I'll be staying at the Nutibara and need a place to flex my manly muscles.[/QUOTE]There are a couple up on Ave Oriental, close to the La Playa intersection. BodyTech is one of them. Can't recommend bcos I don't go to those places. Those are not the type of muscles I look to flex.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2818854]In terms of amenities I have heard premier Plaza is better, I've only used it as a short time hotel, whereas with Calle Real I lived there for about a month back in 2021. I know Calle Real had a mini fridge in the room, a decent bed and flat screen TV with HDMI hook up for connecting a laptop and also had hot water.

I believe they said the room I used to stay in with the windows was going to be turned into a jacuzzi room, so they may offer a jacuzzi sweet at Calle Real now.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Wow great to hear from someone who has personal experience with both hotels, I am planning to book one of them for one day and then decide where to spend rest to the time after looking on both when I reach there, I have to visit Medellin from August 3 to August 23 , I know that this area is a little dangerous (I have been there only 2 times but only in daylight) , do to think its too dangerous to stay there as you have personal experience staying that area?

I also visited La Isla Monday night with fellow new bee from here. just to chk out the talent. They charged 40 mil cover weekdays. And 220 mil for 6 corona small size bottles. if you want to seat upfront then you must buy big liquor bottle.They are nuts. And fase dos is no different. Went there with seasoned ISG member on Friday night. cover was 30 mil and For Absolute vodka 200 or 250 ML bottle, it was 220 mil peso. Yikes. Parque lleras Vennies will quote 300 mil for 1 session. They have union over there. Haha.

And pick up bars were even higher 300 to 350 mil peso for chicas and bar fine of 100 mil peso. Its like you need HELOC to go to Colombia now. HaHa.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2819156]Is it possible they are doing different things on different nights? One night where it is slower could be 50 and a night where they had all going on that you say, the price could be jacked up to 80. You both could be right.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2819377]....They are nuts. And fase dos is no different. .... HaHa.[/QUOTE]A whisky and coke used to be about 25 mil at La Isla. You get a table and pretty good service from a waiter whether you are alone or with a group. A session was about 270 the first time I went to the club. I remember there was no cover at Fase2 before and on site session was about 160 mil. I could be wrong with these numbers as it was before Covid

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2818990].... Upon walking thru the Park around 7 PM there were very few girls, at least obvious girls working....[/QUOTE]I had an appointment at 10 AM in El Poblodo. I had a online meeting from 9 AM t0 10 AM on a short notice. I figured the park would be quiet so I had my meeting in the park. There were a couple of street artists selling painting or portraits. THere were also a row of tents selling souvenirs, same as Plaza Botero. Most of the surface on the surrounding streets were painted. There were two girls working. I noticed many features of the park that I did not notice at night. There were many groups of gringos around the area. I couldn't help and took this picture.

Just got quoted 450 mil for an hour + taxi fee from a Prepagos girl. Am I tripping or is that way too high. I'the rather get 2 pops at a casa for 140 k.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2819389]I had an appointment at 10 AM in El Poblodo. I had a online meeting from 9 AM t0 10 AM on a short notice. I figured the park would be quiet so I had my meeting in the park. There were a couple of street artists selling painting or portraits. THere were also a row of tents selling souvenirs, same as Plaza Botero. Most of the surface on the surrounding streets were painted. There were two girls working. I noticed many features of the park that I did not notice at night. There were many groups of gringos around the area. I couldn't help and took this picture.[/QUOTE]Ha ha yea flipflops. That's gringo alright!

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2819259]Just a nota bona for you guys out there, there are various ways to break the 50 k bills.
1) use them at a big store when getting a 10-20 k recarga for your sim card.
2) go to a big casino at la playa and get smaller notes at the cashier box.
3) use it to buy a 5 k metro card.
4) use an ATM at an open colpatria or davivienda branch (lots in the malls) and walk to the teller and they give you as many 10-20 k notes as you want.
Happy mongering.
Jw.[/QUOTE]Good tips, JW!

Just want to add another method that I've been using for years, and you don't need to step away from ATM LOL.

If you're using Schwab or Capital One or other card that refunds ATM fees then after your main withdrawal of 1 or 2 millions just make 1/2/3 withdrawals 80 K each. You'll receive 4/8/12 20 K bills.

If you're still using the card with ATM fees then just select other amount and enter 1,980,000 instead of 2,000,000 or 980,000 instead of 1,000,000 and you will get 4 20 K bills right away.
One more time reminder for new members - ALWAYS decline conversion at ATM!

Hello, with some much talk about Gustos on this forum, I am wondering if anyone can tell us how Lleras Park Nightclub has been recently? I found it to be better on Friday and Saturday night than Gusto's last trip and the women can be had for no more than $80-120 USA Dollars. They are all freelancers in the club.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2819334]There are a couple up on Ave Oriental, close to the La Playa intersection. BodyTech is one of them. Can't recommend bcos I don't go to those places. Those are not the type of muscles I look to flex.[/QUOTE]See you in Mid June if you are still around then. Lunch at Govindas sounds good.

Do flight attendants all live in Rio Negro? Couldn't help but notice 8/10 of them are hot. Has any of you dated them?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2819464]Do flight attendants all live in Rio Negro? Couldn't help but notice 8/10 of them are hot. Has any of you dated them?[/QUOTE]Yes, they all live in Rio Negro. Lol

I always go to ATM before the weekend hits because the ATMs run out of money and the lines are long. But I ran out of money on a few weekends and actually got lucky late Saturday (maybe it was Sunday). The ATMs pay out the big bills first. When I got there all the 50's and 20's were gone so it was spitting out 10's so I stocked up both times. Do not rely on this method. But as you pass by an ATM on the weekend pay attention to the people counting their money as they walk away and see what denominations they have and maybe get in line.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2818526]Unfortunately there are no guest friendly hotels in and around the area you described.[/QUOTE]But I read previously in this thread that hotel nutibara is guest friendly?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2819156]Is it possible they are doing different things on different nights? One night where it is slower could be 50 and a night where they had all going on that you say, the price could be jacked up to 80. You both could be right.[/QUOTE]E, I went there 2 nights -Monday, very slow and on Friday and it was packed, I was charged 50 K. At first, I thought I was being scammed but on the second visit I noticed the sign on the door which in fact said 50 K. They must be changing the price on a whim. Now another member posted he paid 40 K pesos. If we don't take control of these prices, before long La ISL will be charging 100-150 K entrance fee.

Here's an idea -gather up a few mongers (at least 5) go there and if they try to charge 50-80 K pesos, ask to be let in for 30 or 40 K if not go to Fase 2.
No need to make a scene or raise your voice in fact be real cool and if they refuse, simply let them know that you will be going elsewhere with your dollars.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2819179]Is there a gym somewhere within walking distance in El Centro. ?. I'll be staying at the Nutibara and need a place to flex my manly muscles.[/QUOTE]You will save yourself time to walk to the nearest smartfit (which is laureles unicemtro mall) someone correct me if I'm wrong. Smartfit line seems to be the best gym in south america, and for the serious gym rat, like myself. If I were you I'd hop in a taxi or take an indriver to the gym and back. It'll be about $4 usd for the trip. I personally used unicentro smartfit and had squat macjines, a place for heavy deadlifts, they charge 80 k cop for a month membership which is on the expensive side, but worth it. Save yourself the headache.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2819361]Wow great to hear from someone who has personal experience with both hotels, I am planning to book one of them for one day and then decide where to spend rest to the time after looking on both when I reach there, I have to visit Medellin from August 3 to August 23 , I know that this area is a little dangerous (I have been there only 2 times but only in daylight) , do to think its too dangerous to stay there as you have personal experience staying that area?[/QUOTE]Don't go around flexing your gold chains or flashing your money or iPhone around and you will be just fine in this area. It is no more dangerous than santa fe in Bogota.

I will search the forum for answers but looking for best guest friendly Airbnb's and hotels in Laureles. Any info appreciated.

[QUOTE=FedorE;2819390]Just got quoted 450 mil for an hour + taxi fee from a Prepagos girl. Am I tripping or is that way too high. I'the rather get 2 pops at a casa for 140 k.[/QUOTE]Assuming they don't speak spanish and can't go for non-pros, new MDE mongers are left with three options:

1) get the wham bam non GFE service from the seasoned casa girls in centro (zandalay, dulce, amigas sexy, etc).

2) stick out like a sore thumb at ground zero and risk robbery / violence for cheap vennies.

3) pay out the ass for an online girl that doesn't look like her pictures.

Or, la isla or fase 2 or gustos if you want to be a mark.

Any "7+ " paisa worth their salt has figured out the instagram / onlyfans game, and don't need to sell themselves for 50 k cop anymore. May have some luck on seeking arrangements.

There is no more gringo allure or charm, it's expected.

Best bet, learn spanish and blend to get a non pro.

A little off topic from your post, yes.

Medellin is the new cartagena, the locals see a foreigner and know they're here for degenerate sex. Anti-gringo sentiment is very high and will only increase. Not going to sugar coat it.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2819211]Yes and the buzz that we hear, the videos of people walking around spewing their BS bring more of the same. Then idiots making it rain. Kinda like the USA hip hop world mentality, big asses and stupid people. HEY, look at me I have $. The hot girls are still there. They are more selective now. Cost maybe 20-40% more. Still incredible.[/QUOTE]DC, I swear I am in this parallel universe in that the Colombia I see is so much different than what other guys see. On the one hand, I read Colombians and their $500 a month salaries and the like, but I see the Iphones and the fancy cars and I know things do not add up. I have been to poorer countries where the women wanted more money. I think pussy got cheap in Colombia because of the Venezuelan invasion and things in Venezuela are not as bad as they were so pussy was going to get more expensive because of that.

Meanwhile, my gal has a death in the family and she gets an inheritance. The family member owned a farm. I actually went there. It did not look like much on the outside, but the land was incredibly valuable and she got a share of the animals. I couldn't calculate an exact figure but those cows were worth a lot more than I thought. And where the farm was, the grasslands North of Bogota, have great fields for cattle grazing. I wondered how much of the farming business outside of the drugs is being kept off the books. It was kind of staggering how much the businesses this family member had added up to. I wonder how many Americans would have assumed this Colombian family member was poor.

My gal stayed with her cousins and their house was stunning. The gal I was dating before this one had a house in the city of Apartado that was like 3,000 square feet and it too was nice. When I was on a tour of Cartagena, the guide was pointing to the million dollar homes in Bocagrande and Castillogrande, and yet the average American thinks of Colombia as poor right?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2819211]You won't find them in the US under what $300 for an ugly SW? . Patience and persistence is now your best game. I found 2 extremely good looking girls, got their numbers and had them meet at my hotel 2 days later. Never left my seat, was polite to everyone (even the fatties) and succeeded. I'll be back in 3 weeks. It takes 9-10 hours on a plane from Vegas (or me) . Florida is 3-4, NYC is 5. No wonder it's full of shit for brains people. (just kidding).[/QUOTE]Don, I was in Miami when Avianca started back direct flights from Miami to Cartagena. Avianca and the Miami airport made a bit of a party out of it. They had speakers and a podium and like some free drinks and food. Anyway, the airport guy said Colombia was Miami's #1 international destination. So you have our government do this crazy fucking $10 trillion Covid stimulus package, and it is crazy to think that some of that money would not find its way to Colombia.

Thing is one of my best friends is in Florida and he is bothered by the easy money so many people there have come into. Apparently, the best land to build on in Florida is the ones where they grow citrus, and he built on land previously used to grow citrus. His city has grown like a weed, and the traffic is unreal. Still, he pays little in property taxes because he gets an agricultural exemption because he lets cattle feed on his property. At some point, a famer needs to ask himself if this insane tax policy is going to be kept up. Why is there a tax break for some farmer raising cattle or growing citrus in what is now suburban Florida? Wouldn't it make more sense to sell the farm for millions to some condo developer and move your operation to Colombia where the land and help is so much cheaper? We have a free trade deal with Colombia right?

For some reason, the airlines overestimate the times from Florida to Colombia. In reality, it is two hours from Miami to Cartagena and like two and a half to Medellin and Bogota. What is so disgusting for those of us in Texas is nonstops from here are four figures because of monopoly pricing. But because you have like five or six airlines competing on routes, flights from Florida are dirt cheap. So a three day weekend is cheap with regards to time spent and air fares cost, and it is crazy to think that the huge money flowing into Florida is not going to go to Colombia too. Why bother with the $500 an hour hooker in Miami versus a better one for a fraction of that cost in Colombia?

You lived in Tijuana in Mexico and saw it change as American money flowed in. Now companies are moving their factories from Mexico to China because labor is cheaper in Mexico. The peso has gone from 20 to the dollar to 17 now, and I think the peso will continue to get stronger. The Mexican women I know may not be rich, but they are not desperate. Maybe it is just me but I do not see that desperation in Colombia either. Thing is I think people have totally forgotten about Covid and how hard Colombia shut down. Those were desperate times because so few people could work or earn a living. It is crazy to compare those days to now.

[QUOTE=Ruddock1;2819179]Is there a gym somewhere within walking distance in El Centro. ?. I'll be staying at the Nutibara and need a place to flex my manly muscles.[/QUOTE]I agree with DownLow123. Your best bet for price and value is likely SmartFit although it will be a cab ride, albeit short and cheap. If you're hear for a week I'd do that. I've found BodyTech to be a bit pretentious and to be more difficult for sign up as a foreigner. The one issue with SmartFit is that some locations allow day passes and others do not. I for one typically find the month pass at 50 k to 100 k (ie $12 to $18) depending on location to still be good value for 5 to 7 trips over a week. Remember to bring a copy of your passport as they oddly need that (as opposed to other ID).

[QUOTE=JustinFields;2818125]Going to Medellin in mid July....

I will probably do a little pay for play but not making it the focus of my trip.

Do you guys prefer Poblado or Laureles? My spanish is probably at 15%.

Have any of you guys been successful in banging girls out there without paying for it?[/QUOTE]Yes, but it's largely dependent upon your age, fluency in Spanish, and spending time with the girl. I used to have my trips spread out as 1/3 prepagos (ie casas, clubs), 1/3 semi-pros (ie the less hardcore FB girls), and 1/3 non-pros (ie girls I'd meet through friends or on street). With the latter you have a lot of challenges, but it can be done after a couple nice dates, convincing them that you're not a monger, and having some connection to Colombia or Medellin. Non-pros go out with tight nit groups and families in Colombia, not looking to 'hook up' like in the US so it's hard to break that circle. But again, can be done. For each 10-12 day trip I'd usually have dates with 2-3 non-pros and maybe 1-2 would be able to hook up with. If nothing else you get to work on your Spanish, although the initial interactions can be frustrating and awkward.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2817558]Wow! HELP. That was my first introduction to mongering back in like 2004 or so. My goodness. I swear if that place was open today I don't think I would have even ventured into Colombia.

The atompshere, the vibe, the energy the shear SIZE of it. I loved how it felt like a real club and it was like even though all the girls were working you still felt like there wasn't this hard sell from the girls.

I think I banged to this day the most beauitful girl there ever, but my goodness she was on a next level in terms of understanding men and how to manipulate them. I was way too young to even understand but damn.

Soo so sooo many good fucks there, There will never be anything like it again at the size that was. I think it was even taughted as "the largest club in south america" it just so happend to have working girls there.

If you look in my profile you can see reports of it in the rio fourm somehwere. Props for the reminder.[/QUOTE]I first stumbled onto that club during Carnival at the age of 24 and think that club was a good part of the reason I got into the hobby and never go married LOL. Surely saved me some money over the long run ha ha.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2819568]I will search the forum for answers but looking for best guest friendly Airbnb's and hotels in Laureles. Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]You won't find much on guest friendly airbnbs. An individual airbnb may allow a guest one day and then change their house rules and not allow it. You can look at Airbnb listings, see what the listing says under the "rules" section, and sometimes under the safety and security section, and guest comments. And you can usually know which ones do NOT allow guests. But to be sure you will need to check with the host before booking. However sometimes you will see listings on Airbnb for some of the more common spots such as San Peter in Laureles, Energy Living, or places that P o be l a the o Rentals have, and these are or have been guest friendly. They show up under hotel searches, [URL]booking.com[/URL] searches, Airbnb, etc.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2819518]E, I went there 2 nights -Monday, very slow and on Friday and it was packed, I was charged 50 K. At first, I thought I was being scammed but on the second visit I noticed the sign on the door which in fact said 50 K. They must be changing the price on a whim. Now another member posted he paid 40 K pesos. If we don't take control of these prices, before long La ISL will be charging 100-150 K entrance fee.

Here's an idea -gather up a few mongers (at least 5) go there and if they try to charge 50-80 K pesos, ask to be let in for 30 or 40 K if not go to Fase 2.
No need to make a scene or raise your voice in fact be real cool and if they refuse, simply let them know that you will be going elsewhere with your dollars.[/QUOTE]Join the mongers union now. We'll teach them what to charge. Nice idea, but I don't think that will change very much.

But as a group they might give you a break if you asked nicely as you suggest. That is very possible.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2819662]You won't find much on guest friendly airbnbs. An individual airbnb may allow a guest one day and then change their house rules and not allow it. You can look at Airbnb listings, see what the listing says under the "rules" section, and sometimes under the safety and security section, and guest comments. And you can usually know which ones do NOT allow guests. But to be sure you will need to check with the host before booking. However sometimes you will see listings on Airbnb for some of the more common spots such as San Peter in Laureles, Energy Living, or places that P o be l a the o Rentals have, and these are or have been guest friendly. They show up under hotel searches, [URL]booking.com[/URL] searches, Airbnb, etc.[/QUOTE]Most Abnb's that do not allow guests are explicit about it on their listing under the Rules section. If it is a bit vague, I always sent a message to the host asking about their guest policy and they will tell you. I always recommend that you confirm the guest policy on an Airbnb before booking. The hosts usually get back to you quickly. There are many great Abnb's that I would love to stay in except for their guest policy. If you want to bring girls back to your place, it does eliminate a good number of wonderful places to stay.

San Peter is the old standby and you can't go wrong there. The only complaint I have is noise issues with that nightclub next door.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2819568]I will search the forum for answers but looking for best guest friendly Airbnb's and hotels in Laureles. Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]You can look for Airbnb's with private entrance, keylock / code entrance (you never meet anyone). Those basically don't care, since they are not monitoring. Some more affordable places in Manila (down the hill from Laureles); yet still in the middle of everything.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2818688]Calle Real and Premier Plaza and various others up in prado area a cpl blocks up the street from hotel nutibara (if you have the cajones to stay in that area LOL).[/QUOTE]I briefly met a young guy with mental problem and a loud redneck guy who stayed at Premier Plaza last year. I heard that the hotel is noisy and sometimes guests' money are stolen. I saw some gringos in the area. All were unattractive guys and some look creepy. They all sounded like highs chool graduates or dropout, and no college graduate. They stood out and the locals hated them. The area looks safe but I know tons of gringos and Colombians who were robbed there.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2819512]But I read previously in this thread that hotel nutibara is guest friendly?[/QUOTE]That was an example of sarcasm. It's harder to find a hotel in El Centro that isn't guest friendly than it is to find one that is.

[QUOTE=Carrib;2819518]E, I went there 2 nights -Monday, very slow and on Friday and it was packed, I was charged 50 K. At first, I thought I was being scammed but on the second visit I noticed the sign on the door which in fact said 50 K. They must be changing the price on a whim. Now another member posted he paid 40 K pesos. If we don't take control of these prices, before long La ISL will be charging 100-150 K entrance fee.

Here's an idea -gather up a few mongers (at least 5) go there and if they try to charge 50-80 K pesos, ask to be let in for 30 or 40 K if not go to Fase 2.
No need to make a scene or raise your voice in fact be real cool and if they refuse, simply let them know that you will be going elsewhere with your dollars.[/QUOTE]Because the doormen at strip clubs determine pricing and policy.

If you don't want to spend money at a strip club, instead of wasting time and money going to strip clubs where you'll need to spend money, go somewhere else.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2819689]I saw some gringos in the area. All were unattractive guys and some look creepy. They all sounded like highs chool graduates or dropout, and no college graduate. They stood out and the locals hated them.[/QUOTE]That was probably me. Why didn't you say Hello,?

Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.

BTW met a girl on tinder who is 30 years old who quoted me in fucking USD, and $120 at that. No thanks. I've been coming here since 2018 and I think the end is near.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2819689]I briefly met a young guy with mental problem and a loud redneck guy who stayed at Premier Plaza last year. I heard that the hotel is noisy and sometimes guests' money are stolen. I saw some gringos in the area. All were unattractive guys and some look creepy. They all sounded like highs chool graduates or dropout, and no college graduate. They stood out and the locals hated them. The area looks safe but I know tons of gringos and Colombians who were robbed there.[/QUOTE]Unattractive creepy gringos match perfectly with unattractive creepy SW girls. It is actually a good thing that they stay there and do their thing, away from nicer neighborhoods and decent gringos.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2819687]You can look for Airbnb's with private entrance, keylock / code entrance (you never meet anyone). Those basically don't care, since they are not monitoring. Some more affordable places in Manila (down the hill from Laureles); yet still in the middle of everything.[/QUOTE]Down the hill from Lleras, not Laureles.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2819687]You can look for Airbnb's with private entrance, keylock / code entrance (you never meet anyone). Those basically don't care, since they are not monitoring. Some more affordable places in Manila (down the hill from Laureles); yet still in the middle of everything.[/QUOTE]One of the drawbacks to Abnb's without any security, of course, is that you are open to being drugged and robbed. There will be no one checking the girls and watching them when they leave. I stayed at such a place and I felt there is also the possibility that someone can watch you enter your lock code and rob you when you are not home. The girl you are bringing to the place will be right next to you when you enter the code, and you have to be careful that she does not see the code.

I'm back in Medellin.

Anyone interested in meeting up? Lunch, dinner, or drinks. I don't drink but can hang out.

JohnG: Fucking gringos ruining the market for me!

[I] Later that day...[/I]

JohnG: Hola bebe let's meet, what the price?

Chica: It's Gringo Price, mor.

JohnG: Alright fine with me, Cheaper than home.

[I] Later that night...[/I]

JohnG: Will you suck it natural?

Chica: Bebe! That is an Extra Gringo Price, mi cielo.

JohnG: OK, cheaper than home.

[I] 3 minutes later...[/I]

Chica: Estoy cansada.

[I]El fin.[/I]

On a side note, I don't visit New Life often, but last time I've been, a chica was quoting me extras in US dollars all of the sudden, saying how cheap it is for me and playing all indignant.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2819771]Down the hill from Lleras, not Laureles.[/QUOTE]Sorry, mental fart, good catch.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2819769]Unattractive creepy gringos match perfectly with unattractive creepy SW girls It is actually a good thing that they stay there and do their thing, away from nicer neighborhoods and decent gringos.[/QUOTE]So are you saying that any gringo that stays in Centro is unattractive and creepy?

Ignoring what might be considered is an "unattractive gringo and "creepy", there are lots of gringos that live in nicer neighborhoods, such as in Poblado and Laureles who do their "thing" in Centro.

So perhaps this is a paradox.

[QUOTE=FedorE;2819750]Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.

BTW met a girl on tinder who is 30 years old who quoted me in fucking USD, and $120 at that. No thanks. I've been coming here since 2018 and I think the end is near.[/QUOTE]That sounds really off. I saw Melissa too, and it was $180 k / h. We went twice too in the hour.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2819807]On a side note, I don't visit New Life often, but last time I've been, a chica was quoting me extras in US dollars all of the sudden, saying how cheap it is for me and playing all indignant.[/QUOTE]LOL. They always think that. Try showing them on the internet how much it costs for a small apartment in New York in pesos. You will not seem so rich after that.

I have a couple of chicks that have recently emigrated to the States. Shit is not as easy as they imagined. One from Honduras was living in Nashville and thing ls were not working out so she told me she would move to California. I said well that is going from the frying pan to the fire. Even I would not try moving to California. They do not realize that in most cases the first generation is going to struggle a lot while making things better for the their kids. It is not the first generation that will be tasting the milk and honey. They will be feasting on shit sandwiches.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2819700]Because the doormen at strip clubs determine pricing and policy.

If you don't want to spend money at a strip club, instead of wasting time and money going to strip clubs where you'll need to spend money, go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]If you enter a place and you only the workers are locals then you are getting ripped off. They can charge Colombian monthly salary believe me people will come.

Back during my 2019 trip I stayed with a big group at a high end airbnb. The host there had an agency who'the send maybe 30 photos of girls on WhatsApp all stunning and faces visible for us to choose from. They weren't cheap but great quality. I'the like something similar this trip but the agencies I've looked at all blur photos and don't seem to have the volume. I'm unsure whether the host this time will be as accommodating. Anyone know an agencies that do this or would be willing to do this once I build a relationship.

I've asked a few girls so far if they know of an agency and they have no idea what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2819828]So are you saying that any gringo that stays in Centro is unattractive and creepy?

Ignoring what might be considered is an "unattractive gringo and "creepy", there are lots of gringos that live in nicer neighborhoods, such as in Poblado and Laureles who do their "thing" in Centro.

So perhaps this is a paradox.[/QUOTE]Since the covid years the El Centro, specially Veracruz area, has become a nestle of white trash hombres. Loud, overweight, uneducated gringos hung around there.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2819784]I'm back in Medellin.

Anyone interested in meeting up? Lunch, dinner, or drinks. I don't drink but can hang out.[/QUOTE]My first time in Medellin and would love to link up with some other like minded people.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2819828]So are you saying that any gringo that stays in Centro is unattractive and creepy?

Ignoring what might be considered is an "unattractive gringo and "creepy", there are lots of gringos that live in nicer neighborhoods, such as in Poblado and Laureles who do their "thing" in Centro.

So perhaps this is a paradox.[/QUOTE]I can't vouch for ANY gringo, but there is definitely a strong positive correlation. Same with SF in Bogota. The vast majority of decent, successful, intelligent people that I have met in Medellin or Bogota live in nicer neighborhoods (I have to say, there are some clowns / weekend warriors there too), and most of them have no business to do in El Centro / SF and never been there, because they don't need to. I can understand going there once in while to hit a casa or something, but living or staying there is questionable, and guys who do so, are mostly low lifes. If one has the coin, comes from a developed country, and prefers safety and comfort, staying in poor barrios makes no sense, it just won't fit their lifestyle. Very very few guys, like RiceRocket, can actually make it work.

Hey I've got a no doorman hotel 3 blocks from the center of Parque lleras. It's not my main place, I keep nothing in the room, it's only for fun. I'm trying to meet a few guys like myself who want to pick up a few different ladies and have a YOLO night. I'm talking sharing, swapping and all three doors open. No trans, no judgment, just not my thing.

You don't need to chip in for the room it's already paid for.

If anyone's interested we can set a time and meet outside Hookah. I only have it booked for tonight but if this go well this can be a regular thing. I'm in town for 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2820062]I can understand going there once in while to hit a casa or something, but living or staying there is questionable, and guys who do so, are mostly low lifes. If one has the coin, comes from a developed country, and prefers safety and comfort, staying in poor barrios makes no sense, it just won't fit their lifestyle.[/QUOTE]In that case, one has to question that if one has the coin and comes from a developed country, then why even go to a developing country / shithole to begin with?

Did an early weekday walk through Lleras around 9. I see the girls on Called 10 but I side the park I'm not sure what is going on. Are the working girls now inside the bars? Can I just walk in?

I haven't gone into the bars as I don't drink. I don't know the etiquette but walked into what I thought was a bar and it was a night club that required bottle service.

Girls entering Lleras were ID'ed. It's a nice park with the upgrades but vastly different from November when I was there. I think I walked in at 8:30 and there were a crowd of girls by the entrance. When I left at 9, most were gone. Not sure if they were picked up or moved into the bars.

Tips here or DM appreciated.

What is everyone's favourite massage parkour right now? I've been going to Abybos, Zen Spa, El Garage.

Any recommendations of parlours and specific girls? Look for HS mainly.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2820113]Did an early weekday walk through Lleras around 9. I see the girls on Called 10 but I side the park I'm not sure what is going on. Are the working girls now inside the bars? Can I just walk in?

I haven't gone into the bars as I don't drink. I don't know the etiquette but walked into what I thought was a bar and it was a night club that required bottle service.

Girls entering Lleras were ID'ed. It's a nice park with the upgrades but vastly different from November when I was there. I think I walked in at 8:30 and there were a crowd of girls by the entrance. When I left at 9, most were gone. Not sure if they were picked up or moved into the bars.

Tips here or DM appreciated.[/QUOTE]If you were walking early in the morning you would not be seeing many working girls. If you meant early in the evening at around 8 PM, yes there would be some on Calle 10 and probably in the park area, although I don't know how the checkpoints are affecting that. I was there in April before they had the checkpoints functioning at the entrances. But picking up chicas in parque Lleras, or on 10th is not that safe in my opinion. Lots of safer options in my opinion. As discussed in this forum. The casas, some of the strip clubs, etc.

You said you were there in November. I doubt that anything is different as far as the chicas on Calle 10 or in parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2820062]I can't vouch for ANY gringo, but there is definitely a strong positive correlation. Same with SF in Bogota. The vast majority of decent, successful, intelligent people that I have met in Medellin or Bogota live in nicer neighborhoods (I have to say, there are some clowns / weekend warriors there too), and most of them have no business to do in El Centro / SF and never been there, because they don't need to. I can understand going there once in while to hit a casa or something, but living or staying there is questionable, and guys who do so, are mostly low lifes. If one has the coin, comes from a developed country, and prefers safety and comfort, staying in poor barrios makes no sense, it just won't fit their lifestyle. Very very few guys, like RiceRocket, can actually make it work.[/QUOTE]This is not true. I prefer the high end and universally hotter girls.

But there are many gringos with successful lives that prefer the adventure and griminess of it all.

Imagine living in the ghetto your whole life and going into Beverly Hills. You'll be intrigued and mesmerized.

It goes the other way also. Imagine living in Beverly Hills all your life. Now you go into the hood and see girls for sale, drugs, etc. It's a fascination.

I've seen it many times.

But yes many times it's guys who are cheap and frugal.

But I don't think looks has anything to do with it. I have an obese millionaire friend. He'll get whatever he wants whenever he wants in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2820128] Imagine living in Beverly Hills all your life. Now you go into the hood and see girls for sale, drugs, etc. It's a fascination.

I've seen it many times.

But yes many times it's guys who are cheap and frugal.

But I don't think looks has anything to do with it. I have an obese millionaire friend. He'll get whatever he wants whenever he wants in Colombia.[/QUOTE]What you are describing is an exception. Let's be real, how many Beverly Hills folks would like to go to a developing country to stay in the hood and interact with local prostitutes, druggies, etc? Eat street food? See trash and feces everywhere? And we are talking about living or staying there, not just taking a few hours tour with a guide to check it out.

What the other poster meant by "unattractive" is not necessarily a physical condition or body type, rather how one dresses, how one is groomed, how one presents himself. DJ Khaled is a millionaire, he is fat dude, but you can't say he looks like homeless / broke / druggie, and some folks I'm talking about forgot when was the last time they shaved or took a shower.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2820147]

What the other poster meant by "unattractive" is not necessarily a physical condition or body type, rather how one dresses, how one is groomed, how one presents himself..[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that to be in Centro on a regular basis it is safest to dress down and act rough around the edges so people assume you have less money and education so are more likely to be more street smart and more likely to possibly fight back in a situation. Thus, scaring off thieves and deterring beggars from asking for money.

Not me though. I scream in the face of danger as I run in the opposite direction. I have an all natural lack of hygiene and behavioral issues. Since I left the basement with no mom to dress me correctly I have had more misses than hits in the dressing attire department but watching fashion ads on FB is helping tremendously. Also, on a higher note I went back to school 3 years ago and now I am a 7th grade graduate. My guess is that you and I probably have a lot in common and should meet for drinks sometime if I can ever get my ass back to Colombia again.

Coming up in July. Been reading the forum for a while. A few CR trips under my belt, ready to level up! Staying in Laureles July 18-24, got decent FB options already. Looking to find some out in the wild as well.

As realistically as possible, how long could a mongering make it in Medellin if they had 1 million in cash? Could you go forever and budget your shit right. Make some money off the interest. Work some digital nomad gigs and make that shit last 20 years and live comfortably? Anyone thoughts from some people who have long term experience would be appreciated.

I should had clarified it was night. Parque Lleras in November and now is completely different. There are tables setup outside the restaurant on the road and people are eating and drink in those tables. No cars in or out.

I saw girls in bars but haven't jumped on it yet. I was only there for one night.

Walking back to my hotel, I had to walk past Parque de El Poblado and saw a cute working girl standing next to the stoplights. I first thought it was just a normal girl until I realized she never crossed the street. We made eye contact and she watched me as I walked past. I even glanced back if she was still looking, and yes she was. It was raining or j may have at least talked with her.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2820126]If you were walking early in the morning you would not be seeing many working girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2820036]Since the covid years the El Centro, specially Veracruz area, has become a nestle of white trash hombres. Loud, overweight, uneducated gringos hung around there.[/QUOTE]So it's starting to resemble Poblado?

[QUOTE=Marxh;2820113]D
Girls entering Lleras were ID'ed. It's a nice park with the upgrades but vastly different from November when I was there.

Tips here or DM appreciated.[/QUOTE]That is amazing!

Too many videos promoting sex tourism pissed off the government & a lot of the locals. Buy a coffee. Chill and watch the show. Spend some $ at Marquee and make them happy.

My last trip to S. America was to Medellin 5 months ago. I found 4 stunners (near 9 -10's) and one repeat model (a 10) with widely varying prices. Only one girl of the dozen or so I met was under an 8. I was stupid horney from being in sex prison so a quick hand job seemed ok.

La Isla girls wanted 500 COP Isabella & the other Daniella was 800 COP I only had time for one, so I picked Daniela who stayed for over 3 hours. Yum. Repeat that one.

2 Sisters from Fase Dos Romaniq & Maria (met them separately) 23 year old wanted $300 USD for all night. I should have said yes but too many options. I countered 600 COP and got no reply. Yeah that was way too low for this girl. I was already spoiled. LOL I believe I was not her only option that night. Her 21 year old sister may have found out I was double timing them. It's OK, I already did them both multiple times for 300 COP in the club. They were both wild. Was a great time, multiple positions, some I had never dreamed of. O lord I have sinned. (The Cane).

Model friend from 2 previous visits Geraldine 3rd time and she's getting too expensive. I brought her gifts, she seemed to want more. 1,000 COP 2 hours. I need to slow down. She's a 10. I have someone who works with her and many, many more Colombian models. She sends me photos and asks if I am free. LOL.

Loutron. Jennifer –– WOW, met her 2 times for only 45 minutes but those memories I will keep, $350 COP Also brought some friends there on a tour. They will never be the same!

There were more, all came to my hotel (Dann Carlton) I tried to get 2 girls to fly down from Bogota. It was the beginning of the Christmas shopping season. So we could not make it happen then. I miss Medellin.

I would like to see Sao Paulo, Rio or even Buenos Aries and the beaches. But I think it's unlikely I can find anything better than what I already have had. Seems Scandallo costs even more than my 10's cost in Colombia. Geez one girl would marry me or live together in sin. LOL (22 years old blonde in flight attendant school. Another blonde speaks 6 languages, (FRENCH) plays violin and is a ballet dancer (both in Bogota) So getting on a long 16 hour+ flight seems I would find more 10's, 9's and lots of fun. But it will take time, cost more and MIGHT disappoint.

I get the feeling that real GFE is better in Colombia also. It takes a lot of time, $ and some luck. Why go anywhere else?

I like taking risks so if I can combine this with my art business in Brazil. I will do it anyway.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2820257]......I get the feeling that real GFE is better in Colombia also. It takes a lot of time, $ and some luck. Why go anywhere else?

I like taking risks so if I can combine this with my art business in Brazil. I will do it anyway.[/QUOTE]I suppose each man's experience can be different but I think getting with non-pros in Colombia is easier. However, GFE from pros in Brazil can't be beat.

I was in Medellin a cpl of years ago as part of S America tour with 4 lads. I wasn't really in the know as to what to expect but few years later and more worldwide travel has left me convinced that it pounds for pound heavyweight mongering destination of the world. I haven't been to SE Asia so am aware I could have my mind changed.

I only had a few days in Medellin. We stayed near Lleras and visited all the nearby places as well as a daytime tour to centro. Minimal Spanish was an issue but regardless the talent available was unreal. Fase Dos was a classy setup and had an unreal session with a slim blonde and then picked up 2 lovely venues from outside Gustos for a night I only have flashbacks of.

The chilled Latin vibe of the place and the ease with which you can get green, white and pink combined with cost just make it a no brainer.

I'm due to travel again to the region next month and am preparing fastidiously. What I am yet to really establish is the best way to arrange overnights. I like to party and am happy to have 1-2 girls back at mine. What's the best approach to arrange this and how much should a high end lady cost. Any advice or techniques appreciated. I'm 40, wealthy but am not insecure enough to feel I need to make it rain before I put my hat on.

Currently am going down the seeking route but I have a feeling that the contact bars like gustos will probably be better. Opinions welcomed but only if you've got some actual pitch side experience.

Thanks in advance.

All this recent recognition is going to my head. I'm starting to feel more like a celebrity than a Centro rat.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2820036]Since the covid years the El Centro, specially Veracruz area, has become a nestle of white trash hombres. Loud, overweight, uneducated gringos hung around there.[/QUOTE]

It appears it makes some feel more decent, intelligent, and accomplished than they may feel in their developed country.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2820085]In that case, one has to question that if one has the coin and comes from a developed country, then why even go to a developing country / shithole to begin with?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2820085]In that case, one has to question that if one has the coin and comes from a developed country, then why even go to a developing country / shithole to begin with?[/QUOTE]Because prostitution is illegal in Beverly Hills.

And if you have the coin you can always maintain more or less the same lifestyle you had back home. Nice apartment or a villa, best restaurants, best girls, whatever you want you can have it. What puzzles me is why come to a developing country to downgrade your lifestyle or even to risk your life.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2820305]Because prostitution is illegal in Beverly Hills.

And if you have the coin you can always maintain more or less the same lifestyle you had back home. Nice apartment or a villa, best restaurants, best girls, whatever you want you can have it. What puzzles me is why come to a developing country to downgrade your lifestyle or even to risk your life.[/QUOTE]As upper middle class I can choose to fly under the radar in a third world country. Not bring much attention on myself and have my budget extend way further. From cheap hotels to Hostels I've been able to stay in countries much longer not pay a premium for lodging and women and search for those diamonds in the rough in the slummier mongering locations. I speak Spanish fluently and have had great experiences without breaking the bank. For me a pretty comfy bed and a roof over my head is all I need. Plus meeting likeminded backpackers and world travelers from all walk of life is fun when staying in hostels. If I meet a higher maintenance type of girl I always have the option of a nicer love motel or booking a 5 star hotel for one or 2 nights if necessary. I'm not flashy nor am I dirty and unhygienic. Upper thirties, fit, decent looking white Latino dude and you will find me having fun in Santa Fe, Centro Medellin or Gringo Gulch CR. If I want to treat a great girl I find to luxury we can always take a trip somewhere like Guatape or the beach.

Analogy: I try not to assume well off people from any City when going out into the woods always go glamping. Maybe a tent and a sleeping bag and connecting with the raw somewhat dangerous nature of it all is exciting to some. To others maybe not.

I saw the name Lexi pop up a few times recently on this board and references to Mileroticos. I'm not sure if I saw the same Lexi but a search did provide some assurance that it was likely the same Lexi. Set up a massage, 90 minutes. (I hate being rushed) Get to the place in Laureles without issue. Easy to find. Lexi answers the door and asks who I have an appointment with. Um, you. LOL. Obviously a few girls working out of this place. No worries. First impression she seems very kind. Really skinny girl, not skin and bones but a little skinnier than I prefer. Her face was average. Overall, appearance is probably a 6. 5 in my book. Not unattractive at all, just not my type. Go to a room that just smells like cat piss. If there's one real complaint, it's that smell. Massage was good. Above average. I chose Lexi based on the positive comments on the body slide and nuru. She did not disappoint. It was fantastic. It all ended with a 10 out of 10 hand job. During the slide we played just the tip for a bit. She's a really good girl and definitely wants to please. I imagine there's probably more to the menu. I didn't even ask. She was just not my type but I would recommend. I am even thinking about repeating, but really, why? So many options. Cost for everything was 220 k. 90 minute massage, body slide, etc. Probably cheaper options out there but I was pleased.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2820305]Because prostitution is illegal in Beverly Hills.

And if you have the coin you can always maintain more or less the same lifestyle you had back home. Nice apartment or a villa, best restaurants, best girls, whatever you want you can have it. What puzzles me is why come to a developing country to downgrade your lifestyle or even to risk your life.[/QUOTE]I can think of a couple reasons. Being in the concrete jungle is a rush to some of these guys.

Many also are coming from a place where the high end shit is expensive and they are trying to save coin. Maybe they would save coin anyway by just being there but in the end. That's the way they choose to do it.

I have done it both ways going low end and high end. Even in between. I love street girls so sometimes that's the way I do it. I also love higher end girls too.

In the end I am most concerned with did you have a good time.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2820188]As realistically as possible, how long could a mongering make it in Medellin if they had 1 million in cash? Could you go forever and budget your shit right. Make some money off the interest. Work some digital nomad gigs and make that shit last 20 years and live comfortably? Anyone thoughts from some people who have long term experience would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Look at muni bond funds, NHMAX is one of those funds and now is at a 5. 3% yield so that would be like $53,000 per year tax free. You would have a great life at that amount.

I follow a series of bond funds and some are paying around 10% now. CIF (LOL), DHY, BLW, PHT, PHK are bond funds yielding about 10% so that would be $100 k a year although I have not dived deep into these funds for a long time, and you have to pay taxes on that amount. I also think bonds are due to go up so it is a higher risk than munis but potentially a higher reward.

You can earn $112,000 a year tax free if you earn that money abroad, but that cannot be interest.

I am not sure if you can do it but it would be intriguing to see if you could have a company that invests in bonds, and the company gets that interest and you pay yourself a salary out of that. That is a job for lawyers and accountants, but I wonder if it could be done. Colombian taxes might ruin that scenario, but I am not sure.

The last thing is investing in Colombian real estate. A gal I was dating was going to build apartments in her home town, and I was stunned at the yields she was talking about getting. Also, my gal's mother and several of her aunts make a majority of their incomes as landlords. Given the much less risky 10 year bonds in Colombia yield around 12%. [URL]http://www.worldgovernmentbonds.com/country/colombia/[/URL], I could see someone doing really, really well being a landlord in Colombia. Can you imagine 25% or 30% yields as a landlord?

It makes me wonder what I am doing in the USA.

[QUOTE=WillTravles2;2820066]Hey I've got a no doorman hotel 3 blocks from the center of Parque lleras. It's not my main place, I keep nothing in the room, it's only for fun. I'm trying to meet a few guys like myself who want to pick up a few different ladies and have a YOLO night. I'm talking sharing, swapping and all three doors open. No trans, no judgment, just not my thing.

You don't need to chip in for the room it's already paid for.

If anyone's interested we can set a time and meet outside Hookah. I only have it booked for tonight but if this go well this can be a regular thing. I'm in town for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]What is the name of the hotel? I have been looking for a no doorman apartment / hotel with guest friendly policy around parque with no luck.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2820257]I would like to see Sao Paulo, Rio or even Buenos Aries and the beaches. But I think it's unlikely I can find anything better than what I already have had. Seems Scandallo costs even more than my 10's cost in Colombia. Geez one girl would marry me or live together in sin. LOL (22 years old blonde in flight attendant school. Another blonde speaks 6 languages, (FRENCH) plays violin and is a ballet dancer (both in Bogota) So getting on a long 16 hour+ flight seems I would find more 10's, 9's and lots of fun. But it will take time, cost more and MIGHT disappoint.

I get the feeling that real GFE is better in Colombia also. It takes a lot of time, $ and some luck. Why go anywhere else?

I like taking risks so if I can combine this with my art business in Brazil. I will do it anyway.[/QUOTE]Don,

I cannot imagine doing a business in Brazil. Granted, Venezuela is worse, but I would even do Argentina over Brazil, and Argentina like Venezuela has a culture that says swindling people is okay. Both countries have defaulted on their debt like ten times. Still, unlike Venezuela, Argentina works as a country much better because of a crazy barter system and personal trust. There does seem to be a small subset of people in Argentina you can trust.

Brazil's slogan is that it is going to be the next great country in the world and always will be, and I did not get why until I went there. OMG, the system is corrupt. The rich people have tied up so much that it is very hard for the poor to get ahead, and I was not impressed with the work ethic in general of the Brazilians.

But like Turgid say, the WGs in Brazil are amazing. I don't know if they take a class in it but the women give great oral. I cannot recall moaning from BJs more in my life. So yeah, it is intriguing. The women are fun, friendly, horny, and great in the sack. Thing is they have a reputation of not being loyal. The woman who just DFK you often will do the same with five other guys that night. That is the stereotype anyway.

I am much more impressed with the Colombian work ethic and while the Colombian women may not be as skilled as Brazilians I think the Colombian women are much friendlier and sweeter. I have been serious with one Colombian woman and semi-serious with two, and I cannot recall any of them ever telling me no. They have often busted their asses to make me happy.

And maybe I am stereotyping about countries and women but there is some truth to most stereotypes. Funny thing is a guy wrote a book stereotyping the different Latinas: [URL]https://www.amazon.com/Chicaspotting-Field-Latinas-United-States-ebook/dp/B018FLYEMA[/URL].

And it is funny and IMO pretty accurate. Of course, the woke mob wants the book banned.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2820188]As realistically as possible, how long could a mongering make it in Medellin if they had 1 million in cash? Could you go forever and budget your shit right. Make some money off the interest. Work some digital nomad gigs and make that shit last 20 years and live comfortably? Anyone thoughts from some people who have long term experience would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you live in California. One million dollars will definitely allow a normal person to live comfortably for 20 years in Medellin. Without any supplemental income, that would provide you $50,000 per year. If you invested $500,000 in CD's at 5%, that would provide an additional $25,000 per year. You should be able to invest more than $500,000 because I would not make any large purchases until I lived in the area for a while to observe the surroundings. I'd invest $900,000, leaving $100,000 for initial expenses and pocket money for one year.

I've been frequenting this site for years but this is my first post. A lot of my friends are too chicken shit to go to Colombia to monger they are stuck on the. Are, I spent time in guat city mongering so I'm not afraid to go solo I am not a gringo just American LOL. My question is where are the fast houses in Medellin that fuck for 10 us? Guatemala city fast houses were 7.50-11 usd. I had a 3 some for 120 q = 15 usd in Guatemala. I always bring my own protection and I blend in. Looking for the barrios in Medellin.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2820252]That is amazing!

Too many videos promoting sex tourism pissed off the government & a lot of the locals. Buy a coffee. Chill and watch the show. Spend some $ at Marquee and make them happy.[/QUOTE]Possibly that. But also I was told by a local it is an attempt to stop underage prostitution. There are terrible stories about that circulating in local press and the gossip mill. And so the politicos are forced to act.

[QUOTE=NycNative1;2820421]I've been frequenting this site for years but this is my first post. A lot of my friends are too chicken shit to go to Colombia to monger they are stuck on the. Are, I spent time in guat city mongering so I'm not afraid to go solo I am not a gringo just American LOL. My question is where are the fast houses in Medellin that fuck for 10 us? Guatemala city fast houses were 7.50-11 usd. I had a 3 some for 120 q = 15 usd in Guatemala. I always bring my own protection and I blend in. Looking for the barrios in Medellin.[/QUOTE]The casas or the street girls in El centro is what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2820309]As upper middle class I can choose to fly under the radar in a third world country.............[/QUOTE]Excuse the pedantics and this digression from posting on the noble pursuit of Paisa pussy, but here goes a needed corrective to the post quoted above.

Applying the label "third world" to any country is 40 years out of date, and in the case of Colombia is quite inaccurate and could reasonably be perceived as patronizing and insulting. The terms "First", "Second" and "Third World" date to the Cold War era, when the allied, industrialized "Western Bloc" countries (also including the Eastern likes of Australia and Japan) were designated as "First World", the Communist bloc countries allied with the Soviet Union were "Second World", and most all the other non-allied countries were "Third World". However, in popular usage Third World came to imply impoverished" and "undeveloped" although it included countries such as Saudi Arabia and Uruguay with high per capita incomes. Since the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1992 these categorizations have lost their relevance.

Today some commentators refer to "developed" versus "developing countries". However, the World Bank and IMF use a more neutral (non-judgmental) categorization based on four income groups: low, lower-middle, upper-middle, and high income. It might surprise some to learn that Colombia (and most all of South America) is classified as "Upper-Middle Income"--far removed from the "third world" implied stigma. See this link for a map and listing of these income categories by country:

[URL]https://datatopics.worldbank.org/world-development-indicators/the-world-by-income-and-region.html[/URL]#text=The%20 World%20 Bank%20 classifies%20 economies,%2 Dmiddle%2 C%20 and%20 high%20 income.

And look here for definitions and map of "First, Second, and Third World countries as used way back when:

[URL]https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2820188]As realistically as possible, how long could a mongering make it in Medellin if they had 1 million in cash? Could you go forever and budget your shit right. Make some money off the interest. Work some digital nomad gigs and make that shit last 20 years and live comfortably? Anyone thoughts from some people who have long term experience would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Interesting question and of course would depend on how you would live in Colombia. Will you be living in Poblado in a strata 5 or 6 neighborhood or a lower strata neighborhood. Are you going to be eating in fancy places or at home. Are you going to be patronizing with SW's, have some girlfriends, or whatever. Where are you going to park this money, was your intent to bring it in to Colombia? Maybe rephrase your question with some parameters as to what your expectations are, and perhaps others can help answer your question better.

Regardless, a guy could easily live in Medellin for twenty years on $ 500,000 if he invested his money wisely.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2820188]As realistically as possible, how long could a mongering make it in Medellin if they had 1 million in cash? Could you go forever and budget your shit right. Make some money off the interest. Work some digital nomad gigs and make that shit last 20 years and live comfortably? Anyone thoughts from some people who have long term experience would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I had a nest egg that would be about that if adjusted for inflation from the time I retired 11 years ago. I have been living all over and I budget my shit right and I have about the same amount of inflation adjusted money as I did when I retired. Didn't work much, some, and have lived very comfortably. I think you are younger like maybe 40 but if you have a million after tax and ANY brains and skills at all, and have experience working on line, you should go for it. But don't think about interest. Think about capital gains. If you want money to last forever, you have to have substantial exposure to equities vs. Income-oriented investments.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2820381]But like Turgid say, the WGs in Brazil are amazing. I don't know if they take a class in it but the women give great oral. I cannot recall moaning from BJs more in my life. So yeah, it is intriguing. The women are fun, friendly, horny, and great in the sack. Thing is they have a reputation of not being loyal. The woman who just DFK you often will do the same with five other guys that night. That is the stereotype anyway.[/QUOTE]Stereotype? The reality of a working girl is that they are fucking for money. Why would they have a need to be loyal or to not kiss anyone else that night? If you have an actual girlfriend then no she is not going around kissing any tom dick or harry. How is that even a thought? This is my actual girlfriend, but since she is Brazilian she has a tendency to go around the room kissing random strangers? That sounds ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2820381]I am much more impressed with the Colombian work ethic and while the Colombian women may not be as skilled as Brazilians I think the Colombian women are much friendlier and sweeter. I have been serious with one Colombian woman and semi-serious with two, and I cannot recall any of them ever telling me no. They have often busted their asses to make me happy.[/QUOTE]What do you mean you are more impressed by the Colombian work ethic? If a Colombian or Brazilian have a job, then they both go to them and work. If you judge on hookers alone, isn't it said here that Colombian hookers should be expected to be late? You do not see that in Brazil. I have had normal relationships with many Colombians and many Brazilians. They are both the same. If a woman anywhere loves you and wants to be with you then the relationship reflects that. It has nothing to do with having a yes woman who never tells you no about anything.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2820309]As upper middle class I can choose to fly under the radar in a third world country. Not bring much attention on myself and have my budget extend way further. From cheap hotels to Hostels I've been able to stay in countries much longer not pay a premium for lodging and women and search for those diamonds in the rough in the slummier mongering locations. I speak Spanish fluently and have had great experiences without breaking the bank. For me a pretty comfy bed and a roof over my head is all I need. Plus meeting likeminded backpackers and world travelers from all walk of life is fun when staying in hostels. If I meet a higher maintenance type of girl I always have the option of a nicer love motel or booking a 5 star hotel for one or 2 nights if necessary. I'm not flashy nor am I dirty and unhygienic. Upper thirties, fit, decent looking white Latino dude and you will find me having fun in Santa Fe, Centro Medellin or Gringo Gulch CR. If I want to treat a great girl I find to luxury we can always take a trip somewhere like Guatape or the beach.

Analogy: I try not to assume well off people from any City when going out into the woods always go glamping. Maybe a tent and a sleeping bag and connecting with the raw somewhat dangerous nature of it all is exciting to some. To others maybe not.[/QUOTE]MiamiBoy is just being a ******* as usual. The fact of the matter is that- El Centro is the heart of Medellin and you can find people from all walks of life there. Wasting money just because you have it is stupid. Obviously, as he has proven time and time again with his arrogant posts, MB1 doesn't know the real Colombia, he stays in his plastic barrios fucking his plastic women that he overpays.

El Centro is much more than just Botero or Veracruz, it is the heart of the city where you can find anything your looking for whether that be bandeja paisa, paintings being sold by local artists, even shower heads and excellent quality knock off shoes. I myself like to sip on a 2 mil lemonade while sitting down and people watching.

As far as the prostitution goes sure there are a lot of undesirable hags in the Veracruz area but there are also beautiful, sweet diamonds in the rough to be found there, it just takes a little effort to find what you are looking for. To blow the whole place off is just asinine. But hey I guess if you've got "the coin" you can live in your own little arrogant world.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2819361]Wow great to hear from someone who has personal experience with both hotels, I am planning to book one of them for one day and then decide where to spend rest to the time after looking on both when I reach there, I have to visit Medellin from August 3 to August 23 , I know that this area is a little dangerous (I have been there only 2 times but only in daylight) , do to think its too dangerous to stay there as you have personal experience staying that area?[/QUOTE]Sorry it took me a few days to get back to you, I've been pretty busy lately. The area is fine during the day, just don't go flashing around your "coin" or your IPhone 16 XL or whatever and you will be fine. I'd say be back in your hotel by no later than 9 pm but usually most the action moves to Poblado and Parque Lleras by the time, where the same girls charge guys like MB1 5 times more because they are gringos and have "the coin" LOL. But yea you will be fine in the Botero / Veracruz are during the day time hours.

Also if you want to save urself a little "coin" and put it to other uses such as a second polvo, and you don't mind walking a few blocks thru the scary congrete jungle, I would recommend the hotels on the other side of avenida oriental one block past Exito San Antonio. The area is called El Palo con El Huevo and there are several hotels there that will be even cheaper than Calle Real or Premier Plaza.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2820381]Don,

I cannot imagine doing a business in Brazil. Granted, Venezuela is worse, but I would even do Argentina over Brazil, and Argentina like Venezuela has a culture that says swindling people is okay. Both countries have defaulted on their debt like ten times. Still, unlike Venezuela, Argentina works as a country much better because of a crazy barter system and personal trust. There does seem to be a small subset of people in Argentina you can trust.

Brazil's slogan is that it is going to be the next great country in the world and always will be, and I did not get why until I went there. OMG, the system is corrupt. The rich people have tied up so much that it is very hard for the poor to get ahead, and I was not impressed with the work ethic in general of the Brazilians.

But like Turgid say, the WGs in Brazil are amazing. I don't know if they take a class in it but the women give great oral. I cannot recall moaning from BJs more in my life. So yeah, it is intriguing. The women are fun, friendly, horny, and great in the sack. Thing is they have a reputation of not being loyal. The woman who just DFK you often will do the same with five other guys that night. That is the stereotype anyway.

I am much more impressed with the Colombian work ethic and while the Colombian women may not be as skilled as Brazilians I think the Colombian women are much friendlier and sweeter. I have been serious with one Colombian woman and semi-serious with two, and I cannot recall any of them ever telling me no. They have often busted their asses to make me happy.

And maybe I am stereotyping about countries and women but there is some truth to most stereotypes. Funny thing is a guy wrote a book stereotyping the different Latinas: [URL]https://www.amazon.com/Chicaspotting-Field-Latinas-United-States-ebook/dp/B018FLYEMA[/URL].

And it is funny and IMO pretty accurate. Of course, the woke mob wants the book banned.[/QUOTE]Guess I should read his book. Lives in Medellin. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/josephbovino[/URL] you remeer my target market for sculptures are plastic surgeons? De. Robert Rey etc.

[QUOTE=UnknownGnome;2820117]What is everyone's favourite massage parkour right now? I've been going to Abybos, Zen Spa, El Garage.

Any recommendations of parlours and specific girls? Look for HS mainly.[/QUOTE]Om Spa for Men is the only one I've tried in the last couple years and the most I've gotten a girl to do is a HJ. How are those others? Do they offer more?

I like great sex just like everyone else but from time to time I like a good tantra message with a good lingam massage finish. I haven't explored that in Medellin yet but I do see some offers. Tantra Medellin appears to be a place that offers that but quality is unknown. Carrera 80 #44 b-139 is the address. 120 mil for 45 minutes including oral, unclear if that is BBBJCIM. Anyone try that place? Any recommendations for an attractive woman that offers a good tantra massage?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2820188]As realistically as possible, how long could a mongering make it in Medellin if they had 1 million in cash? Could you go forever and budget your shit right. Make some money off the interest. Work some digital nomad gigs and make that shit last 20 years and live comfortably? Anyone thoughts from some people who have long term experience would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]If your money was properly invested and with little risk tolerance yes, you could live in perpetuity with that much and live like a king in Medellin.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2820451]Stereotype? The reality of a working girl is that they are fucking for money. Why would they have a need to be loyal or to not kiss anyone else that night? If you have an actual girlfriend then no she is not going around kissing any tom dick or harry. How is that even a thought? This is my actual girlfriend, but since she is Brazilian she has a tendency to go around the room kissing random strangers? That sounds ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Sigh. [URL]https://www.charliehoehn.com/2010/11/23/6-weeks-in-buenos-aires-or-how-i-learned-to-love-brazilians/[/URL].

The first thing you should know about Brazilian women is that, if you are in a bar or club, they are very quick to jump down your throat. I've seen guys walk up to them and passionately make out within 20 seconds of meeting, to the extent that it looks like they're going to rip each other's clothes off right in front of you. This is not an exaggeration.

[URL]https://www.quora.com/What-does-a-Brazilian-kiss-mean-Why-do-Brazilian-girls-like-to-engage-in-a-kiss-with-a-stranger-at-a-pub[/URL]

What does a Brazilian kiss mean? Why do Brazilian girls like to engage in a kiss with a stranger at a pub?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2820451]What do you mean you are more impressed by the Colombian work ethic? If a Colombian or Brazilian have a job, then they both go to them and work.[/QUOTE]That says a lot about who have you been hanging around with. Go to an upscale home in Brazil and one in Colombia. What is the biggest difference between the two?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2820451]If you judge on hookers alone, isn't it said here that Colombian hookers should be expected to be late? You do not see that in Brazil.[/QUOTE]You don't see that in Brazil? LOL. Hell, even if a woman wanted to be on time, you never know with the traffic in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2820451]I have had normal relationships with many Colombians and many Brazilians. They are both the same. If a woman anywhere loves you and wants to be with you then the relationship reflects that. It has nothing to do with having a yes woman who never tells you no about anything.[/QUOTE]When I was in Colombia, the woman I was with spent two hours preparing a meal. In Colombia, the government has declared that Venezuelans be paid the same minimum wage as Colombians. Maybe there are some, but I have never heard of anyone having servants in Colombia.

When I went to upscale homes in Argentina and Brazil, the servants prepared the meal, did the cleaning, and hell even raised the children. I met an Argentine who lived in Canada that was skiing two days after giving birth, and the reason she was able to do was that she had so much help. She said in Canada she would have had only one child but she was able to have four because she had so much help. And every upscale home I looked at in Brazil and Argentina had servants quarters.

The helpers typically come from rural Brazil or Paraguay, and they are paid next to nothing. A Brazilian lawyer wanted to pay her servant more but she was told by neighbors not to do so as to not raise the price on everyone else. It is kind of like the guys here bitching at others for paying the hookers more.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2820489]Guess I should read his book. Lives in Medellin. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/josephbovino[/URL] you remeer my target market for sculptures are plastic surgeons? De. Robert Rey etc.[/QUOTE]It is a good read. It is funny that the author ended up in Medellin.

This:

[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2820338]I can think of a couple reasons. Being in the concrete jungle is a rush to some of these guys.

Many also are coming from a place where the high end shit is expensive and they are trying to save coin. Maybe they would save coin anyway by just being there but in the end. That's the way they choose to do it.

I have done it both ways going low end and high end. Even in between. I love street girls so sometimes that's the way I do it. I also love higher end girls too.

In the end I am most concerned with did you have a good time.[/QUOTE]And this:

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2820309]As upper middle class I can choose to fly under the radar in a third world country. Not bring much attention on myself and have my budget extend way further. From cheap hotels to Hostels I've been able to stay in countries much longer not pay a premium for lodging and women and search for those diamonds in the rough in the slummier mongering locations. I speak Spanish fluently and have had great experiences without breaking the bank. For me a pretty comfy bed and a roof over my head is all I need. Plus meeting likeminded backpackers and world travelers from all walk of life is fun when staying in hostels. If I meet a higher maintenance type of girl I always have the option of a nicer love motel or booking a 5 star hotel for one or 2 nights if necessary. I'm not flashy nor am I dirty and unhygienic. Upper thirties, fit, decent looking white Latino dude and you will find me having fun in Santa Fe, Centro Medellin or Gringo Gulch CR. If I want to treat a great girl I find to luxury we can always take a trip somewhere like Guatape or the beach.

Analogy: I try not to assume well off people from any City when going out into the woods always go glamping. Maybe a tent and a sleeping bag and connecting with the raw somewhat dangerous nature of it all is exciting to some. To others maybe not.[/QUOTE]You can find loud, obnoxious, poorly educated gringos, with no class and poor hygiene, anywhere. If you're anywhere in Medellin, and you hear people conversing in English, there's a fair chance you'll hear something which fits into 1 of the categories above. Talk to 20 random gringos, probably 1 will have bad breath, body odor, or enough cologne to pose a health hazard. You can find them in Provenza and Parque Lleras, or in El Centro.

Poorly educated has no connection to the level of education completed. Read the forum and tell me I'm wrong. The post which started all this, which mentioned high school dropouts, appears to have been written by a low achieving 12 year old. Run it by your favorite 6th grade English teacher and watch the red pen go to work. The follow-up posts claiming a definite correlation between low class and preference for El Centro are nothing more than poorly disguised bigotry and bigotry can only exist by embracing ignorance.

Instead of posting your beliefs on the inferiority of people who have different preferences, why not post something useful? Where do you eat? What shopping do you do? What have you learned that helps you connect with the girls? What problems have you experienced and how did you overcome them? If you've spent more than a few weeks in Medellin, you should have some knowledge, which others can use to improve their visit.

And isn't helping others better than insulting people you know nothing about?

I'll start.

If I'm staying in an apartment, I'll usually cook breakfast. Fry some eggs, slice an avocado, and wash it down with some juice. Lunch I take at any Colombian restaurant, with a menu of the day. You should have no trouble finding something for under 25 k (when I started, 12-15 k was high end). That's your choice of pork chicken or beef, usually with rice, some type of potato, possibly yuca (edible drywall), a small salad, maybe a choice of soup or beans, and either juice or guandolo. It's just a simple meal, cheap and easy.

Talking to the girls, throw out a few compliments. Most will eat it up. Don't waste a lot of time getting to know them. If you're talking to a girl 6 months before your trip, you'll probably be disappointed. Make contact, let them know when you're coming and move on until you're on the way.

If you've got some special girls and want to make their stay more memorable, get a Disney+ subscription and bring a jar of bread and butter pickles (I wrap the jar in bubble wrap and put it in a zip lock bag in my checked bag). The pickles are like candy and Disney can be streamed in Spanish with English subtitles (or vice versa).

What useful tips do you have?

For awhile I've been sporadically chatting with this attractive Facebook girl. I told her I'll be visiting Medellin and that maybe we can have some fun together, my usual opening line. She readily agreed. Fast forward to today, I message her saying I'm in Medellin for a few weeks if you still want to meet. She says sure, but you should know that I only go out on "citas". Now I've seen this term translated as "date" and "appointment", and pros use it to mean the latter, so I ask if she means a regular date or a paid date. Immediately blocked. Guess she meant a romantic date, whoops.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820562]I like great sex just like everyone else but from time to time I like a good tantra message with a good lingam massage finish. I haven't explored that in Medellin yet but I do see some offers. Tantra Medellin appears to be a place that offers that but quality is unknown. Carrera 80 #44 b-139 is the address. 120 mil for 45 minutes including oral, unclear if that is BBBJCIM. Anyone try that place? Any recommendations for an attractive woman that offers a good tantra massage?[/QUOTE]I went there a couple years back. It wasn't anyting speical like a second rate energy and not that organized. I actually got caught by my noiva at the time because I had "tantra medellin" in my most recent uber rides and I had a uber driver waiting of for me. He cancled the ride and I had to put an address in when my GF showed up and she grab my phone, typed and then giggle nervously. Later that night she revelaed and ya. Tantra Medellin pretty hard to hide haha.

I didn't get any Tantra either, its just a name. Normal sex place with pretty average girls.

[QUOTE=Talon;2820547]Om Spa for Men is the only one I've tried in the last couple years and the most I've gotten a girl to do is a HJ. How are those others? Do they offer more?[/QUOTE]I literally just left Zen. Got a really hot masseuse. Believe her name is Joanna. Very nice look to her. But best I could do was a HJ. Same experience as OM. But the massage was very good.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820562]I like great sex just like everyone else but from time to time I like a good tantra message with a good lingam massage finish. I haven't explored that in Medellin yet but I do see some offers. Tantra Medellin appears to be a place that offers that but quality is unknown. Carrera 80 #44 b-139 is the address. 120 mil for 45 minutes including oral, unclear if that is BBBJCIM. Anyone try that place? Any recommendations for an attractive woman that offers a good tantra massage?[/QUOTE]Tried it several years ago, so not sure this is helpful. But I left pretty disappointed.

I would recommend Happy Massage for what you're looking for. It is pricey, by Colombian standards, but has exactly what you are looking for. I've visited with all of the current girls and I don't think you can make a bad choice.

[QUOTE=Talon;2820621]For awhile I've been sporadically chatting with this attractive Facebook girl. I told her I'll be visiting Medellin and that maybe we can have some fun together, my usual opening line. She readily agreed. Fast forward to today, I message her saying I'm in Medellin for a few weeks if you still want to meet. She says sure, but you should know that I only go out on "citas". Now I've seen this term translated as "date" and "appointment", and pros use it to mean the latter, so I ask if she means a regular date or a paid date. Immediately blocked. Guess she meant a romantic date, whoops.[/QUOTE]Cita means what you want it to, generally it means that you meet up for sex, any other activities will be up to you but it generally means at your place. Few Colombian girls will be talking to foreign men they've never met over the internet, those that do know what the score is.

Honestly, I wouldn't bother talking to them too much until you're in country or at least very close to it (I. E. You're sitting in the departure lounge and bored).

Colombianas live in the moment, at best they might make plans for the next few days, even then those plans are pretty far from solid. If she's asking if you want a cita, she means now-ish, as in she's bored and needs money today.

As a side note, if you've never been to Medellin, you should really read up on Colombian slang (Google is your friend here). This will really help with the language barrier,.

Yoo.

Last time I was in MDE I stayed at no doorman airbnb near Lleras and it was great I would just walk the girls back to my spot for fun.

This time I think I will stay away from the noise in a large building that checks all IDs and I will try to get most of my girls not from Lleras. But if I did want a Lleras girl and they don't have an ID where are the short time motels to go to that are close?

[QUOTE=Talon;2820621]Now I've seen this term translated as "date" and "appointment", and pros use it to mean the latter, so I ask if she means a regular date or a paid date. Immediately blocked. Guess she meant a romantic date, whoops.[/QUOTE]That is why my favorite thing to say is "como asi?" so that I can get clarification.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2820462]MiamiBoy is just being a ******* as usual. The fact of the matter is that- El Centro is the heart of Medellin and you can find people from all walks of life there. Wasting money just because you have it is stupid. Obviously, as he has proven time and time again with his arrogant posts, MB1 doesn't know the real Colombia, he stays in his plastic barrios fucking his plastic women that he overpays.

El Centro is much more than just Botero or Veracruz, it is the heart of the city where you can find anything your looking for whether that be bandeja paisa, paintings being sold by local artists, even shower heads and excellent quality knock off shoes. I myself like to sip on a 2 mil lemonade while sitting down and people watching.

As far as the prostitution goes sure there are a lot of undesirable hags in the Veracruz area but there are also beautiful, sweet diamonds in the rough to be found there, it just takes a little effort to find what you are looking for. To blow the whole place off is just asinine. But hey I guess if you've got "the coin" you can live in your own little arrogant world.[/QUOTE]Your right on the money here.

Most guys who go to Centro and see all the undesirables as you described have a tendency to jump to the conclusion that anyone who partakes there is also an undesirable as well.

However I think it takes a lot of effort, versus a little effort to find what your looking for, the language barrier is huge, and probably the hardest part is that you need to spend lots of time on the ground there and be very patient to find the diamonds in the rough.

I have been exploring the listings of Abnb places in Medellin. There are quite a few that expressly say no sex tourism or "no hookers". It is a shame that a number of those places are very nice. A lot more places say that visitors are not allowed or the registered guests are allowed, meaning if you have a special girl. Medellin probably has more Abnb places with guest restrictions than other cities. There is definitely a lot of hosts who do not want the business of gringos engaged in mongering so be careful about reading the house rules when trying to book an Abnb place.

If you are a casa guy or El Centro streetwalker fan, it will not be a problem and there are a lot of great places that you can stay for a reasonable price. There are still a number of good places on Abnb that are guest friendly but I would say it is a minority of listings on Abnb.

It is the same with the hotels. There are guest friendly hotels but there are also a lot of hotels that do not allow guests or charge a high price for visitors.

You don't run into this issue as much in Thailand or the Philippines or even Mexico. But apparently it is an issue in Medellin.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2820698]Yoo.

Last time I was in MDE I stayed at no doorman airbnb near Lleras and it was great I would just walk the girls back to my spot for fun.

This time I think I will stay away from the noise in a large building that checks all IDs and I will try to get most of my girls not from Lleras. But if I did want a Lleras girl and they don't have an ID where are the short time motels to go to that are close?[/QUOTE]A girl without an ID from Lleras is a death wish.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820730]I have been exploring the listings of Abnb places in Medellin. There are quite a few that expressly say no sex tourism or "no hookers". It is a shame that a number of those places are very nice. A lot more places say that visitors are not allowed or the registered guests are allowed, meaning if you have a special girl. Medellin probably has more Abnb places with guest restrictions than other cities. There is definitely a lot of hosts who do not want the business of gringos engaged in mongering so be careful about reading the house rules when trying to book an Abnb place.

If you are a casa guy or El Centro streetwalker fan, it will not be a problem and there are a lot of great places that you can stay for a reasonable price. There are still a number of good places on Abnb that are guest friendly but I would say it is a minority of listings on Abnb.

It is the same with the hotels. There are guest friendly hotels but there are also a lot of hotels that do not allow guests or charge a high price for visitors.

You don't run into this issue as much in Thailand or the Philippines or even Mexico. But apparently it is an issue in Medellin.[/QUOTE]It is even more of an issue in San Jose Costa Rica.

Even if the Airbnb says nothing about guests I would read the description of the unit and the other info in the listing. You may be in an apartment attached to the family home, for example. In that case one would reasonably refrain from having guests in. The safest bet is to ask the host before you book.

Centro is definitely not a point and click game. Even the casas require a time commitment to get the best experience.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2820728]Your right on the money here.

Most guys who go to Centro and see all the undesirables as you described have a tendency to jump to the conclusion that anyone who partakes there is also an undesirable as well.

However I think it takes a lot of effort, versus a little effort to find what your looking for, the language barrier is huge, and probably the hardest part is that you need to spend lots of time on the ground there and be very patient to find the diamonds in the rough.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820730]... There are still a number of good places on Abnb that are guest friendly but I would say it is a minority of listings on Abnb.

It is the same with the hotels. There are guest friendly hotels but there are also a lot of hotels that do not allow guests or charge a high price for visitors.

You don't run into this issue as much in Thailand or the Philippines or even Mexico. But apparently it is an issue in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Also much less an issue in Brazil it seems, at least as far as hotels (not AirBnBs) are concerned. Thirty years ago Brazil was awful in that respect, you could hardly find a single hotel that allowed guests in without a hefty joiner fee.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2820606]It is a good read. It is funny that the author ended up in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Also lives in Miami, Immigration attorney.. maybe part time Medellin. 6 X bestseller on Amazon. Looking forward to the read & perhaps meet him in person. Seems to hang out places near my usual hotel. Thanks again.

Over the last few nights, the actual park has been empty between 10 pm and 3 am. The checkpoints are really grilling the girls. I'm not sure what they are asking, but they are checking IDs, which is not a bad thing for us. The girls that are allowed through go right to the bars. They do have police posted in the park. So the girls are definitely either in the bars or on Calle 10.

Spent a few nights in Gustos this week. And please, I do not want to spark that debate again. You don't like Gustos? Fine, but for those that do, I found the talent to be better than ever. The majority of the girls are 8's and up. Just last night, I counted at least five 10's. And plenty of 9's. Of course, that's all subjective. But what I really enjoyed was the variety. My 10 may be your 8 or 9. What I noticed were a lot of 9's that had different looks. Dark skinned or light, blondes or dark hair, flacas or curvy. I pity the man that couldn't find "the one" there. Prices have increased to be certain. Looked like there were a lot of girls that wouldn't budge from their asking price. But there was a constant stream of couples exiting too. Each night, I was able to find the right one but they did make me go to my personal cap of 600 k.

Lleras Park was packed last night. I didn't find the environment appealing. Don't get me wrong, there are a few diamonds in there. But that feels like a place that you see the girl, you negotiate and you go. At least that seems like the girls attitude. Just not my style. Even if I wanted to chat with the girl, it's shoulder to shoulder, no seating available, etc.

Went into Glow for the first time. Got to say it has potential. I went in and they definitely pull off a high-end feel. I went in there really late. It was probably around 2:30. Decent crowd but I wasn't shopping at that point. Might stop by there tonight, only earlier.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2820653]I literally just left Zen. Got a really hot masseuse. Believe her name is Joanna. Very nice look to her. But best I could do was a HJ. Same experience as OM. But the massage was very good.[/QUOTE]I've gotten BBBJ and was offered CFS at Dan Spa. Same location, Rio Sur mall.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2820759]Centro is definitely not a point and click game. Even the casas require a time commitment to get the best experience.[/QUOTE]Time isn't the issue at hand money is LOL.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2820698]Yoo.

Last time I was in MDE I stayed at no doorman airbnb near Lleras and it was great I would just walk the girls back to my spot for fun.

This time I think I will stay away from the noise in a large building that checks all IDs and I will try to get most of my girls not from Lleras. But if I did want a Lleras girl and they don't have an ID where are the short time motels to go to that are close?[/QUOTE]Why would you take ANY girl to your place that does not have proper identification, that is not only foolish but reckless in Medellin.

My airbnb specifically said "no sex tourism". My airbnb had a doorman but I specifically got an airbnb on 1st floor away from doorman. I averaged about 2-3 girls per day for 2 weeks, never was questioned by doorman nor host. I know my doorman saw at least a couple of my girls come and go, especially when one of my longer term girls took out the trash walking right by the doorman and giving him a hola, como esta? I should also note I added a 2nd guest to my airbnb (at no additional cost) prior to paying for it. Did this in the event if I was ever questioned I would say the girl is my guest. But never had too.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820730]I have been exploring the listings of Abnb places in Medellin. There are quite a few that expressly say no sex tourism or "no hookers". It is a shame that a number of those places are very nice. A lot more places say that visitors are not allowed or the registered guests are allowed, meaning if you have a special girl. Medellin probably has more Abnb places with guest restrictions than other cities. There is definitely a lot of hosts who do not want the business of gringos engaged in mongering so be careful about reading the house rules when trying to book an Abnb place.

If you are a casa guy or El Centro streetwalker fan, it will not be a problem and there are a lot of great places that you can stay for a reasonable price. There are still a number of good places on Abnb that are guest friendly but I would say it is a minority of listings on Abnb.

It is the same with the hotels. There are guest friendly hotels but there are also a lot of hotels that do not allow guests or charge a high price for visitors.

You don't run into this issue as much in Thailand or the Philippines or even Mexico. But apparently it is an issue in Medellin.[/QUOTE]

Don't be naive, they know what were there for and they care more about renting there shit out than the no sex tourism bs.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2820970]My airbnb specifically said "no sex tourism". My airbnb had a doorman but I specifically got an airbnb on 1st floor away from doorman. I averaged about 2-3 girls per day for 2 weeks, never was questioned by doorman nor host. I know my doorman saw at least a couple of my girls come and go, especially when one of my longer term girls took out the trash walking right by the doorman and giving him a hola, como esta? I should also note I added a 2nd guest to my airbnb (at no additional cost) prior to paying for it. Did this in the event if I was ever questioned I would say the girl is my guest. But never had too.



Don't be naive, they know what were there for and they care more about renting there shit out than the no sex tourism bs.[/QUOTE]I would be careful if the house rules say no sex tourism and you are engaged in mongering. They definitely would have the right to kick you out and then it becomes a headache that you have to deal with, during the trip and after the trip with Abnb to get your money back. I agree that it is possible that they won't enforce it but it is also possible that they do. They say it explicitly so there is not much you can do when you blatantly violate one of the conditions of renting the Abnb apartment.

I would ask the host directly about guests visiting the place and if they say, it is fine, then I would rent the place. If the house rules say no sex tourism and the host tells me that no guest are allowed, I would be hesitate to rent the place and just ignore the house rule. I am on vacation. I don't need hassles. There are other places to rent.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2820970]My airbnb specifically said "no sex tourism". My airbnb had a doorman but I specifically got an airbnb on 1st floor away from doorman. I averaged about 2-3 girls per day for 2 weeks, never was questioned by doorman nor host. I know my doorman saw at least a couple of my girls come and go, especially when one of my longer term girls took out the trash walking right by the doorman and giving him a hola, como esta? I should also note I added a 2nd guest to my airbnb (at no additional cost) prior to paying for it. Did this in the event if I was ever questioned I would say the girl is my guest. But never had too.



Don't be naive, they know what were there for and they care more about renting there shit out than the no sex tourism bs.[/QUOTE]Typically the problems that arise is when guys rent places and make a lot of noise and / or have some very slutty women coming and going and someone in the building complains.

If guys are discreet about their business, meaning telling their visitors to come dressed like a house maid (not in a uniform) but plane Jane clothing and no make-up versus full on hooker attire that will go a long way.

The other thing to do is be-friend the doorman called Porteros.

Grease the skids with them, buy them some food / drinks and that will go a long ways in case anything arises and you need someone on your side.

I am here to call bullshit on Miamiboy1 and his stupid inaccurate posts about El Centro in Medellin.

Here is a beautiful diamond in the rough I just found near the Veracruz Church area. 22 year old paisa named Monica. She said she used to work in a restaurant but started doing this 2 months ago as she needed to earn more plata to help support her family. She is far from what ever the hell a street urchin is, in fact she was friendly, affectionate, and had an excellent body and cute smile also gave an impeccable unrushed service as well.

Afterwards I walked a couple of blocks to Restaurante Mi llanerito and am currently enjoying a delicious lunch of carne ternera a la llanera.

So please do tell us, MiamiB*tch, what is so bad about El Centro that makes you constantly have to spew your inaccurate hateful misinformation?

Or are you willing to admit that you've just been talking out of your ass this entire time, bro??

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2820970]...Don't be naive, they know what were there for and they care more about renting there shit out than the no sex tourism bs.[/QUOTE]I think some care about the reaction from the neighbors. What they don't want the guest to do is taking the girls to the common area like swimming pool where the kids might be. If all guests are low key like you, and keep it in the room, then it probably will be ok.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2820605]...
You don't see that in Brazil? LOL. Hell, even if a woman wanted to be on time, you never know with the traffic in Sao Paulo.....[/QUOTE]I had hookers and regular girls came to my place in Sao Paulo and elsewhere regularly and they were all on time that I don't wonder about where they were like in Colombia, but that does not mean all will be on time. Most Colombian hookers are less educated, and don't want to work regular job so that maybe one reason. You need to provide a context before making comparison.

I have been to many bars in Sao Paulo, and have never seen what you described. Why do men still go to clubs if it's that easy. This is the hottest encounter I have seen. Most larger apartments in El Poblado have maid quarter with bathroom so it's no big deal. I have been to several of them. It is cheap to hire a maid too. The apartments aren't expensive by US standard. I have stayed in gated community that is filled with custom homes in Brazil. This one has a soccer field in it.

Internet are filled with people don't know what they are talking about so your links are useless. Like a guy can claim Agentina is better than Colombia when the guy has never been to Colombia. Just because a guy said that will make it true?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2820728]... anyone who partakes there is also an undesirable as well.....[/QUOTE]I think the basic logic is if you have money, you will show it by spending it. The reverse is if you spend less, it means you don't have money.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2820970]My airbnb specifically said "no sex tourism". My airbnb had a doorman but I specifically got an airbnb on 1st floor away from doorman. I averaged about 2-3 girls per day for 2 weeks, never was questioned by doorman nor host. I know my doorman saw at least a couple of my girls come and go, especially when one of my longer term girls took out the trash walking right by the doorman and giving him a hola, como esta? I should also note I added a 2nd guest to my airbnb (at no additional cost) prior to paying for it. Did this in the event if I was ever questioned I would say the girl is my guest. But never had too.



Don't be naive, they know what were there for and they care more about renting there shit out than the no sex tourism bs.[/QUOTE]Some do, some don't. They can toss you out on your ear with no refund if they want if they want. Airbnb will not support the guest in that case. Anyway it worked out for you and that's great. It's different from some I stayed in where the owner and family were right next door.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821021]I am here to call bullshit on Miamiboy1 and his stupid inaccurate posts about El Centro in Medellin.

Here is a beautiful diamond in the rough I just found near the Veracruz Church area. 22 year old paisa named Monica. She said she used to work in a restaurant but started doing this 2 months ago as she needed to earn more plata to help support her family. She is far from what ever the hell a street urchin is, in fact she was friendly, affectionate, and had an excellent body and cute smile also gave an impeccable unrushed service as well.

Afterwards I walked a couple of blocks to Restaurante Mi llanerito and am currently enjoying a delicious lunch of carne ternera a la llanera.

So please do tell us, MiamiB*tch, what is so bad about El Centro that makes you constantly have to spew your inaccurate hateful misinformation?

Or are you willing to admit that you've just been talking out of your ass this entire time, bro??[/QUOTE]Not sure why my pictures didn't upload earlier but anyways here is the diamond in the rough and the pictures of my lunch. Both the chica and the lunch were in el centro. And I didn't get robbed, stabbed or killed by the way.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/laureles-estadio/un-grupo-de-chicas-hermosas-y-adictivas-id-nn2et[/URL]

Visited there few weeks ago. Communicated with them on the usual (Photoprepagos) route on WA. When I texted back and fourth I was told I needed an appointment an hour in in advance with one of the girls. I asked if I could just show up now at the present time. She said yes and sends me a gallery of about 9 photos and tells me to let her know which one I want. I figured since there was a group of girls that work out of there I'd just show up and choose which ever one's were available. But she was adamant on me choosing one of the girls based on the pictures. So I chose the girl named Emma and she texted back she's busy. So why is she sending me pictures of girls that are busy. Well anyways I choose the girl named Sofia and she texted back "okay she's available". So I make my way over there. I rung the bell and made my way up the stairs and there was a room right next to the stair case and then a bathroom next to that and my first thought was here we go again, Shitty rooms. Even some of the worst casa's I been to have personal bathrooms inside the rooms. The lady that ran the place was asking whom I had an appointment with. I then noticed a room with a curtain door that was slightly opened and I can hear the girls talking. I thought fuck that so I told her "I want a presentation", (instead of her pressing me on choosing a girl based on pictures). So, she tells me to wait in the room. Then during the the presentation I noticed the girl Sofia that I chose based on the pictures, but instead I chose a different girl named Tokyo. So when I was in the room with Tokyo I ask for BBBJ and she started going on about idk I didn't make out her Spanish but I think it was about how long I was going to be there. I really wasn't in the mood for nonsense like her asking for 100 k or more for uncovered BJ. Above all else, her breath wasn't smelling to great and it seemed she had a bit of an attitude. So I changed my mind and told her "Naomi" send Naomi in" she looked a little puzzled but I didn't give a shit. But she got the message I wanted a different girl. When I first looked at the pictures I thought I definitely don't want Naomi, but in person she was sweet and gave really good BBBJ. Overall I'the rather just go to a regular casa like New Life or which ever ones are left for an unscheduled visit and presentation that may cost 3 k or 5 k (like za za does now) or no fee like energy. Rather than a 30 k viewing fee like Angels does. The girls are not that much better then say New Life. In fact they look nothing like their pictures. The girls on Photoprepagos in general do not look like their photos. They airbrush everything. So you really don't know who or what your making plans with like a 3,4,5 photoshopped into a 8, 9 or 10. The rooms are the worst. There's no hot-tub, clean floors or luxury beds like in their photos. The room in Angels that I was in didn't even have a bathroom. They used a community one. I guess this escort sites are a better way to go for them, By the time you go through the trouble and planning of getting there. You either give in or sacrifice and start over again. The photos of the girls at Angels Spa are below.

Just to add a note that the previous Sunday at New Life I probably sat through one of worst presentations I've seen there. I even think there was a transvestite in the mix. But Go figure it ended up saving my trip. I had a session with a Vennie on my last day of trip. She wasn't a photoshopped 10. But better than any other girl I found on photoprepagos.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2820759]Centro is definitely not a point and click game. Even the casas require a time commitment to get the best experience.[/QUOTE]I don't have a language barrier and if I did I would not be in Centro without a reliable wing man.

Wow lots of fear here about no ID girls, I get it but I think they target easy prey and I don't think I fit that criteria.

I have successfully taken back dozens of Lleras girls with no ID to my no doorman Airbnb on many trips and never felt any danger.

The disadvantage is all Lleras accommodations with no door man are loud and I am light sleeper LOL.

So do most Lleras girls carry ID or if they don't where to do y'all take them?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2821203]I don't have a language barrier and if I did I would not be in Centro without a reliable wing man.[/QUOTE]What your pointing out pretty much in a nutshell sums up what typically differentiates the experiences guys have in Centro. It can be a minefield at times, and if you don't have Spanish speaking skills the chances of having problems and bad experiences versus good ones is greatly increased. Medellin is not like a border town such as Tijuana where the language barrier is not an issue. What guys have to realize is that the vast majority of the clients are locals, versus foreigners in Centro. Additionally the place is not for the timid or those afraid of their shadow.

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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2821070]Some do, some don't. They can toss you out on your ear with no refund if they want if they want. Airbnb will not support the guest in that case. Anyway it worked out for you and that's great. It's different from some I stayed in where the owner and family were right next door.[/QUOTE]Here's an example of someone who obviously doesn't want any visitors in her apartments:

"The conditions of the reservation must be maintained with the number of guests previously registered. In case of requiring a modification, inform the host to generate the charge (Maybe she meant "change", but it's written in Spanish and states "el cargo") Entering the property by a guest without notice generates a fine of $100 USD.

- Visitors are not allowed. In exceptional cases you must notify the host.

Failure to comply with the rules generates a charge of 300 USD".

The host (a woman) has 17 properties listed on Airbnb. Why anyone would agree to those conditions is beyond me. Suppose a couple (non mongers) rents her apartment and meets another couple and wants to invite them to the apartment for dinner. That could potentially result in a $400 charge.

Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2821266]Diamond in the rough? Jajaja. She is below average looking, not higher than 6/10 on my scale. Your post only proves two things. El Centro is a shithole and your standards are low. You are bragging about the girl I would not even notice, let alone pay her for sex. The truth is revealed. You are delusional.

Btw, you lunch doesnt even look appealing.[/QUOTE]Yea I wouldn't fuck the girl or eat the lunch.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821097]Not sure why my pictures didn't upload earlier but anyways here is the diamond in the rough and the pictures of my lunch. Both the chica and the lunch were in el centro. And I didn't get robbed, stabbed or killed by the way.[/QUOTE]Thank god we all have different tastes, to me her face looks like a foot!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821097]Not sure why my pictures didn't upload earlier but anyways here is the diamond in the rough and the pictures of my lunch. Both the chica and the lunch were in el centro. And I didn't get robbed, stabbed or killed by the way.[/QUOTE]She isn't my type either but no one liked the Brazilian girl on the subway that I posted. Would I walk around el centro for her and all that entails? No.

[QUOTE=LivingFossil;2821241]Wow lots of fear here about no ID girls, I get it but I think they target easy prey and I don't think I fit that criteria.

I have successfully taken back dozens of Lleras girls with no ID to my no doorman Airbnb on many trips and never felt any danger.

The disadvantage is all Lleras accommodations with no door man are loud and I am light sleeper LOL.

So do most Lleras girls carry ID or if they don't where to do y'all take them?[/QUOTE]You're thinking of the wrong danger. The danger, if they have no ID, is that they are also lacking the 18 years required to make them safe, from the legal perspective.

Of course, as has been reported before, if they don't have an ID, and they're working with the police, it doesn't matter if they're 25. You end up paying a big bribe, probably 1 that will require a visit to the ATM.

That of course is the best case scenario. Worst case you end up doing a Jake.

Is this place near la 80, a silver metal door? There were some nice milfs working there back in like 2021. Now I am not sure. Isabel looks nice in photo, was she there when you arrived?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2821169][URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/medellin/laureles-estadio/un-grupo-de-chicas-hermosas-y-adictivas-id-nn2et[/URL]

Visited there few weeks ago. Communicated with them on the usual (Photoprepagos) route on WA. When I texted back and fourth I was told I needed an appointment an hour in in advance with one of the girls. I asked if I could just show up now at the present time. She said yes and sends me a gallery of about 9 photos and tells me to let her know which one I want. I figured since there was a group of girls that work out of there I'd just show up and choose which ever one's were available. But she was adamant on me choosing one of the girls based on the pictures. So I chose the girl named Emma and she texted back she's busy. So why is she sending me pictures of girls that are busy. Well anyways I choose the girl named Sofia and she texted back "okay she's available". So I make my way over there. I rung the bell and made my way up the stairs and there was a room right next to the stair case and then a bathroom next to that and my first thought was here we go again, Shitty rooms. Even some of the worst casa's I been to have personal bathrooms inside the rooms. The lady that ran the place was asking whom I had an appointment with. I then noticed a room with a curtain door that was slightly opened and I can hear the girls talking. I thought fuck that so I told her "I want a presentation", (instead of her pressing me on choosing a girl based on pictures). So, she tells me to wait in the room. Then during the the presentation I noticed the girl Sofia that I chose based on the pictures, but instead I chose a different girl named Tokyo. So when I was in the room with Tokyo I ask for BBBJ and she started going on about idk I didn't make out her Spanish but I think it was about how long I was going to be there. I really wasn't in the mood for nonsense like her asking for 100 k or more for uncovered BJ. Above all else, her breath wasn't smelling to great and it seemed she had a bit of an attitude. So I changed my mind and told her "Naomi" send Naomi in" she looked a little puzzled but I didn't give a shit. But she got the message I wanted a different girl. When I first looked at the pictures I thought I definitely don't want Naomi, but in person she was sweet and gave really good BBBJ. Overall I'the rather just go to a regular casa like New Life or which ever ones are left for an unscheduled visit and presentation that may cost 3 k or 5 k (like za za does now) or no fee like energy. Rather than a 30 k viewing fee like Angels does. The girls are not that much better then say New Life. In fact they look nothing like their pictures. The girls on Photoprepagos in general do not look like their photos. They airbrush everything. So you really don't know who or what your making plans with like a 3,4,5 photoshopped into a 8, 9 or 10. The rooms are the worst. There's no hot-tub, clean floors or luxury beds like in their photos. The room in Angels that I was in didn't even have a bathroom. They used a community one. I guess this escort sites are a better way to go for them, By the time you go through the trouble and planning of getting there. You either give in or sacrifice and start over again. The photos of the girls at Angels Spa are below.

Just to add a note that the previous Sunday at New Life I probably sat through one of worst presentations I've seen there. I even think there was a transvestite in the mix. But Go figure it ended up saving my trip. I had a session with a Vennie on my last day of trip. She wasn't a photoshopped 10. But better than any other girl I found on photoprepagos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.[/QUOTE]One of my favorite places in town! The view is unbeatable and a good date spot. Try to ask for the 1st row tables at the balcony which have unobstructed views when making reservations.

Oddly enough, I don't advise getting steak here, they can't seem to get the doneness right (actually I have yet to be impressed with steak in Colombia anywhere).

Not aware of another entrance than the street courtyard.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2820970]My airbnb specifically said "no sex tourism". My airbnb had a doorman but I specifically got an airbnb on 1st floor away from doorman. I averaged about 2-3 girls per day for 2 weeks, never was questioned by doorman nor host. I know my doorman saw at least a couple of my girls come and go, especially when one of my longer term girls took out the trash walking right by the doorman and giving him a hola, como esta? I should also note I added a 2nd guest to my airbnb (at no additional cost) prior to paying for it. Did this in the event if I was ever questioned I would say the girl is my guest. But never had too.

Don't be naive, they know what were there for and they care more about renting there shit out than the no sex tourism bs.[/QUOTE]I agree with you DL that those renting out their places only care about money, however I think you are missing a few things.

I rented a place in Mexico City for four nights for like $400. The owner claimed I did $900 worth of damage. She had a picture of a dirty dish and scuff marks on a couch. We were running late to the airport and did not have time to clean like I like to. I gave her $50 and showed Airbnb the costs of a maid and to clean a couch in Mexico City and stated that $50 should cover it. I also told AirBnb that I doubted that we caused the scuff marks and said I felt like the owner was trying to stick it to a gringo. I also said if they sided with her that I would cancel my account and would not willingly pay them that $900 and would see them in court.

AirBnb did something I thought at first was weird but later realized was smart. They kept telling me they were investigating the case for weeks. I suspect that AirBnb was saying to the lady if you are apartment is not up to par, we are not going to put your apartment up on the site for people to rent it. In other words, you are going to have to spend $900 in repairs and THEN we will ask for you to be compensated or you can say the $50 is enough for cleaning and getting the place up to snuff. Now she is losing potentially $100 a night in rent. Worse, her reputation is being dinged. Finally, I think she backed off and told AirBnb the $50 for cleaning was adequate. Point is Airbnb was smart and was not going to let the woman profit off her potentially false claim.

So DL what are you going to do if the items in the apartment are vandalized, and the owner says I want $5000? You got a doorman saying you have women coming and going. You could have Airbnb saying you are engaged in sex trafficking and potentially in a USA court in violation with your agreement with the owner. You are cooked and have no defense. The smartest thing for you to do at that point would be to pay that owner whatever he wants.

If your Airbnb host says no trafficking, take your women to a love motel. Airbnb has different rules than hotels.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2821341]You're thinking of the wrong danger. The danger, if they have no ID, is that they are also lacking the 18 years required to make them safe, from the legal perspective.

Of course, as has been reported before, if they don't have an ID, and they're working with the police, it doesn't matter if they're 25. You end up paying a big bribe, probably 1 that will require a visit to the ATM.

That of course is the best case scenario. Worst case you end up doing a Jake.[/QUOTE]That is a big scam that happens in the Philippines. Girl with no ID, police knock on the door, police say girl is underaged, girl says she is 17. With no ID, and the police and the girl saying she is 17, what is your defense? It puts you in a difficult situation where it will be money for the bribe or being taken to the police station until you decide to get the money for the bribe.

Now I don't know if this is a thing in Medellin. I just know that it is a thing in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.[/QUOTE]I have eaten there and it is as advertised, the view is spectacular and food is great. I went there without a reservation and the hostess seated us upstairs and there was a fine ass chica Djing up there.

The view is spectacular day or night. The food is better than what you normally get in a place that has a waterfront or mountaintop view because these places can get away with low quality product that would not be tolerated at a place without the killer view. I rate the food on par with the other upscale places in Poblado. The prices are very fair.

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2821341]Worst case you end up doing a Jake.[/QUOTE]What is a jake?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2821349]Is this place near la 80, a silver metal door? There were some nice milfs working there back in like 2021. Now I am not sure. Isabel looks nice in photo, was she there when you arrived?[/QUOTE]It's on Carrera 81#42-60 apartamento 202 in Laurels and when they press the button to open the door it flings open all the way flat against the wall due to the springs. All the ones presented in the pictures with the exception of Emma were present. So if that's the Isabella you're talking about then she was there.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2821419]What is a jake?[/QUOTE]Offing yourself. Remember Board Member ColombiaJake? When he got busted he killed himself in jail. Just google ColombiaJake and you will see tons of articles about the situation.

"What Took Medellin's Top American Pimp So Long to Get Caught?"

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.[/QUOTE]I ate there with a date recently and the appetizer was very good. So was desert and the wine. My entree was just OK but hers was very good. The view is amazing but we were not seated at a table with a view. The place was packed on a weeknight. The band was too loud but still a good evening. Service was excellent. Had photo shoot with the hottie SA chica on the deck after meal.

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. [/QUOTE]As with women, someone's 5-star may be another person's 1-star. I ate there one time with three other people. We had steak, pork, fish, and something they said was seafood. It looked like ravioli without the sauce. Very bland taste. The fish was good. The steak and pork were average at best. I tried to order chicken, but the waiter said the only chicken on the menu would take more than hour to prepare. I asked for a glass of water and the waiter said they didn't have a license to serve water in a glass, only bottled water. The only bottled water was imported from France and was served at room temperature, without a glass of ice. We were seated near the band that was playing that night. They were so loud that we could not have a conversation. The view from the balcony is good. The prices were ridiculously high for Medellin.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2821419]What is a jake?[/QUOTE]He is referring to Colombia Jake. Another know it all who was too smart to listen to anyone. I think if you search the forum you will find the story of his demise some 4 or 5 years ago.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2821385]That is a big scam that happens in the Philippines. Girl with no ID, police knock on the door, police say girl is underaged, girl says she is 17. With no ID, and the police and the girl saying she is 17, what is your defense? It puts you in a difficult situation where it will be money for the bribe or being taken to the police station until you decide to get the money for the bribe.

Now I don't know if this is a thing in Medellin. I just know that it is a thing in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Of course it happens in Medellin. It's a concern in virtually every mongering destination. It's too obvious of a scam to not happen.

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.[/QUOTE]So have I found an easy way to get to Loutron? Ask the driver to take me to that restaurant. The last time I went we had lots of difficulty finding Loutron.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821097]Not sure why my pictures didn't upload earlier but anyways here is the diamond in the rough and the pictures of my lunch. Both the chica and the lunch were in el centro. And I didn't get robbed, stabbed or killed by the way.[/QUOTE]You are giving posters the opportunity to bash the girl and the meal in order to show other posters how refined their tastes are.

Ole MB, I'm going to be in Medellin this summer hopefully sooner than later. I'm going to pull up on you and I better see Ms Colombia on your hip or your a fraud.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2821537]You are giving posters the opportunity to bash the girl and the meal in order to show other posters how refined their tastes are.[/QUOTE]I actually just think they are making themselves look like arrogant Sobs. Ternera a la llanera is a delicacy in Colombian Cuisine from the llanos orientales region of the country. I've actually traveled there myself to Villavicencio, Meta and Melgar, Tolima annd had this meal first hand where it originates from and it is delicious. I doubt these guys talking shit on here have ever been to villao or any of the other beautiful pueblos that Colombia has to offer.

As far as the girl goes, I don't see anything wrong with her. Sure she isn't the best looking woman in Medellin but she isn't ugly either. She had a cute smile and a decent body and gave great service. At the end of the day I was happy and I'm sure I spent way less money than what they spend.

If MB1 and APF or whoever else want to think they are better than the rest of us because they throw around cash and make it rain then they can do that, pero quien conoce mas a Colombia? I'm pretty sure that question answers itself!

About what the differences are.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2821055]I have been to many bars in Sao Paulo, and have never seen what you described. Why do men still go to clubs if it's that easy. Internet are filled with people don't know what they are talking about so your links are useless.[/QUOTE]So the only person's POV that matters is yours? So now you know better than the BBC? [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-31510184[/URL].

I have not seen this either Nounce, but I have heard from many it happens.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2821055]I had hookers and regular girls came to my place in Sao Paulo and elsewhere regularly and they were all on time[/QUOTE]I am glad the women were on time for you and Mr. E but that is not what I saw and not the stereotype.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2821055]Most larger apartments in El Poblado have maid quarter with bathroom so it's no big deal. I have been to several of them. It is cheap to hire a maid too. The apartments aren't expensive by US standard. Like a guy can claim Argentina is better than Colombia when the guy has never been to Colombia. Just because a guy said that will make it true?[/QUOTE]The Argentina comment was by a woman with children who lived in Argentina and had lived in Canada before. Still, this was a stereotype based on my observations. House servants were so common in Brazil and Argentina and talked about so much there and I heard nothing about them in Colombia. So I actually asked my gal about it.

She told me we have servant's quarters in our place. I LOLed at that one because I literally thought those quarters were a big closet. She had a live in nanny for years growing up. As of now, she said that she saw there was more of the American model where maids come in and clean versus live with people in Colombia.

When I was in Brazil, I met with an attractive lawyer who had kids and was divorced. This was business not pleasure but she mentioned she had an American guy she was dating, and he wanted to bring her to the USA. Things fizzled between them because her family and job were in Brazil, but the other big thing was the help she had with her kids. She knew she would have much more work to do around the house in the USA without the servants she had in Brazil.

That does not matter to guys seeing hookers or the blue collar type women in Brazil, but Don is like me, and he aims high. I have never heard of a Colombian woman reluctant to leave Colombia because of servants. What I have seen are Colombian women be wizards in the kitchens whereas the Brazilian women let their servants do the cooking and cleaning.

I have not been to Argentina or Brazil in a while so maybe that has changed, but I doubt it.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2821334]She isn't my type either but no one liked the Brazilian girl on the subway that I posted. Would I walk around el centro for her and all that entails? No.[/QUOTE]I think that is not quite true. I like her. Haha. It is just no one agree with your rating. I think you rate her as 10. He probably is too plain for some others. I don't have problem with that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2821537]You are giving posters the opportunity to bash the girl and the meal in order to show other posters how refined their tastes are.[/QUOTE]There is another way to look at it.

I am planning to visit Medelland. And would like to book through some reputable agencies. Can you please suggest name of them and I can check them online. I am thinking to get in my hotel room for long stay. I can manage spanish through Google translator. Also please suggest some brothel kind of places. I have researched on Google but it would better to get information from here.

Let me know if you would like to know about places in states (I know it's expensive &#128517.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821553]As far as the girl goes, I don't see anything wrong with her. Sure she isn't the best looking woman in Medellin but she isn't ugly either. She had a cute smile and a decent body and gave great service. At the end of the day I was happy and I'm sure I spent way less money than what they spend.![/QUOTE]It's interesting how some guys choose a girl on how pretty their face is, which is their primary selection criteria.

You where happy with her, she gave you great service, and my guess is with few rules, where as the beauty queens will typically have more rules.

I know guys who always look for the most stunning and beautiful girl they can find, and going with them is what they like and works for them.

Everybody rolls different, and making fun of a guy's choices and berating them here on this board is stupid.

There was nothing wrong with your choice.

[QUOTE=Thanks890;2821639]I am planning to visit Medelland. And would like to book through some reputable agencies. Can you please suggest name of them and I can check them online. I am thinking to get in my hotel room for long stay. I can manage spanish through Google translator. Also please suggest some brothel kind of places. I have researched on Google but it would better to get information from here.

Let me know if you would like to know about places in states (I know it's expensive &#128517.[/QUOTE]Search this thread for casa, that's what brothels are referred to in Medellin. I don't use agencies, so can't help with that.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2821548]Ole MB, I'm going to be in Medellin this summer hopefully sooner than later. I'm going to pull up on you and I better see Ms Colombia on your hip or your a fraud.[/QUOTE]I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else, and I have zero interest in meeting you or your friend Gabacho.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2821793]Search this thread for casa, that's what brothels are referred to in Medellin. I don't use agencies, so can't help with that.[/QUOTE]Thank you for letting me know. I will do the search according to it. Hope people with knowledge about agencies could also share more.

[QUOTE=Thanks890;2821799]Thank you for letting me know. I will do the search according to it. Hope people with knowledge about agencies could also share more.[/QUOTE]I will give you the most well known casas, all in El Centro.

New Life, Calle 56,43-39, between Carrera 45 and 43,55 k /30,70 k /45,90 k / HR; Zandaly, Carrera 47 #57 A34; Sexy Club Amigas, Carerra 45 D near Calle 58 and Ave Oriental.

There are many prepagos advertising on online escort websites. I am not aware of escort agency that advertise on the Internet. It may be that the laws do not allow others to profit from escorts and thus, no agencies advertising to gringos. But there are informal agencies or people who can offer you a selection of girls. I just go directly to the girls on Facebook.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821554]About what the differences are.

So the only person's POV that matters is yours? So now you know better than the BBC? [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-31510184[/URL].....[/QUOTE]I spent many months in Brazil so I speak from recent experience. Mr E was in Brazil recently as well. I was there during the Carnival and I dated a Samba dancer in the Carnival who I resisted the urge to give her money after sex so I do not turn her into a GDP according to Mr E. LOL. BBC reporting is a party, not the norm that you see in a bar or randomly on the street.

Brasileras are generous with kissing that does not require debate. You can get probably all the 10s you can find to DFK you before agreeing to take her to the room in the high end boates.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821554]

I am glad the women were on time for you and Mr. E but that is not what I saw and not the stereotype.
[/QUOTE]I've been going monthly now for over 20 years to both Brazil and Colombia. Besides the COVID interruption, lol.

I'm in Rio at the moment.

In my experience the Colombiana has a more cavalier attitude towards time.

Colombia is no doubt a special place to find women, however, Brazil will always be my #1.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2821510]He is referring to Colombia Jake. Another know it all who was too smart to listen to anyone. I think if you search the forum you will find the story of his demise some 4 or 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]He was pimping under age girls.

Got warned, and then caught in a sting operation when he persisted.

[QUOTE=Thanks890;2821639]I am planning to visit Medelland. And would like to book through some reputable agencies. Can you please suggest name of them and I can check them online. I am thinking to get in my hotel room for long stay. I can manage spanish through Google translator. Also please suggest some brothel kind of places. I have researched on Google but it would better to get information from here.

Let me know if you would like to know about places in states (I know it's expensive &#128517.[/QUOTE]If you are searching stuff I suggest you use "Medellin" not Medelland. I don't know where your version of the name comes from but the city is Medellin.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2821854]If you are searching stuff I suggest you use "Medellin" not Medelland. I don't know where your version of the name comes from but the city is Medellin.[/QUOTE]The software on this website has a built in autocorrect that can't handle Spanish accent marks, so when you spell medellin the proper way with the accent mark over the letter I it changes it to medellíand automatically.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2821725]It's interesting how some guys choose a girl on how pretty their face is, which is their primary selection criteria.

Everybody rolls different, and making fun of a guy's choices and berating them here on this board is stupid.[/QUOTE]Here in Thailand during covid I was hanging out with a couple of other board members. One of them posed the question if we would rather fuck a pretty trans or an ugly chick. Well since I like fucking chicks and not dudes, I chose the person with the pussy. The guy that posed the question chose the dude with the dick. I can not remember what the other person chose, but he also posts in this thread and can respond if he wants. Beauty is subjective, being a male or female is not. I like fucking women. I am not out to fuck a PERSON just because they are beautiful. But if that is your thing then have at it and I will not be any less of a friend.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2821854]If you are searching stuff I suggest you use "Medellin" not Medelland. I don't know where your version of the name comes from but the city is Medellin.[/QUOTE]LOL. It is the software that this site uses. If you write the word with the accent then the website automatically turns it into "his" version.

Any combination of two bisexual girls you guys have had fun with? I did one at a casa but the two girls just sat in the corner while I fucked the other and switched. Hoping for a more interactive experience.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2821854]If you are searching stuff I suggest you use "Medellin" not Medelland. I don't know where your version of the name comes from but the city is Medellin.[/QUOTE]If you type in Medellin with the accent mark the editor changes it to Medelliand.

Had dinner here on my last night in Medellin. Food was above average IMO and the view was incredible. Would return. Loutron sucks tho. Would not return. Too much plastic.

[QUOTE=MongerLonger;2821297]Has anybody ever eaten here? It's right next to Loutron and it gets really high marks for food and atmosphere. Do you know if there is a way to get there without walking all the way around via the street? They're right on top of one another and I find it hard to believe there isn't a path or a staircase between the two. I get peckish after the deed and a good meal with a view fits the bill.[/QUOTE]

The lunch looks bad to me, but I'm a foodie. The girl looks good to me. Fuck all these dudes judging you. We all have our own individual preferences. Both with food and chicks and well everything. So who give AF if they think she's ugly, I'd definitely fuck her.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821097]Not sure why my pictures didn't upload earlier but anyways here is the diamond in the rough and the pictures of my lunch. Both the chica and the lunch were in el centro. And I didn't get robbed, stabbed or killed by the way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnknownGnome;2821951]Any combination of two bisexual girls you guys have had fun with? I did one at a casa but the two girls just sat in the corner while I fucked the other and switched. Hoping for a more interactive experience.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You experienced the famous Colombian Trio. Whenever you try to set up a threesome, you'll usually get the same thing.

Getting what you want is a process.

1. Find a girl who you click with and who gives enthusiastic service.

2. Find out if she's bisexual. While you're at it, Find out her experience with women and what she enjoys.

3. Find out if she has someone she plays with who would like to join you.

4. (Optional) Session with the friend solo.

5. Explain exactly what you expect from the threesome.

6. Set a date. Depending on your lodging you might want to take them to a love motel. I recommend Motel Ibiza.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2821863]The software on this website has a built in autocorrect that can't handle Spanish accent marks, so when you spell medellin the proper way with the accent mark over the letter I it changes it to medelland automatically.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying that.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2821824]I will give you the most well known casas, all in El Centro.

New Life, Calle 56,43-39, between Carrera 45 and 43,55 k /30,70 k /45,90 k / HR; Zandaly, Carrera 47 #57 A34; Sexy Club Amigas, Carerra 45 D near Calle 58 and Ave Oriental.

There are many prepagos advertising on online escort websites. I am not aware of escort agency that advertise on the Internet. It may be that the laws do not allow others to profit from escorts and thus, no agencies advertising to gringos. But there are informal agencies or people who can offer you a selection of girls. I just go directly to the girls on Facebook.[/QUOTE]Thank you!!

I was wondering about this also. Which FB group I should join for this?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2820976]I would be careful if the house rules say no sex tourism and you are engaged in mongering. They definitely would have the right to kick you out and then it becomes a headache that you have to deal with, during the trip and after the trip with Abnb to get your money back. I agree that it is possible that they won't enforce it but it is also possible that they do. They say it explicitly so there is not much you can do when you blatantly violate one of the conditions of renting the Abnb apartment.

I would ask the host directly about guests visiting the place and if they say, it is fine, then I would rent the place. If the house rules say no sex tourism and the host tells me that no guest are allowed, I would be hesitate to rent the place and just ignore the house rule. I am on vacation. I don't need hassles. There are other places to rent.[/QUOTE]Please read Surfer's & Nounce comments below.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2820999]Typically the problems that arise is when guys rent places and make a lot of noise and / or have some very slutty women coming and going and someone in the building complains.

If guys are discreet about their business, meaning telling their visitors to come dressed like a house maid (not in a uniform) but plane Jane clothing and no make-up versus full on hooker attire that will go a long way.

The other thing to do is be-friend the doorman called Porteros.

Grease the skids with them, buy them some food / drinks and that will go a long ways in case anything arises and you need someone on your side.[/QUOTE]100% Facts! My point for my post is for people not to be swayed by the "house rules" if exercising some common since and have a plan be and / or see if you are thrown out of Airbnb (which I obviously had) Guest friendly Airbnb's are becoming harder and harder to find. Hence my post.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2821046]I think some care about the reaction from the neighbors. What they don't want the guest to do is taking the girls to the common area like swimming pool where the kids might be. If all guests are low key like you, and keep it in the room, then it probably will be ok.[/QUOTE]Exactly!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2821070]Some do, some don't. They can toss you out on your ear with no refund if they want if they want. Airbnb will not support the guest in that case. Anyway it worked out for you and that's great. It's different from some I stayed in where the owner and family were right next door.[/QUOTE]So use common since, don't rent those.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2821379]I agree with you DL that those renting out their places only care about money, however I think you are missing a few things.

I rented a place in Mexico City for four nights for like $400. The owner claimed I did $900 worth of damage. She had a picture of a dirty dish and scuff marks on a couch. We were running late to the airport and did not have time to clean like I like to. I gave her $50 and showed Airbnb the costs of a maid and to clean a couch in Mexico City and stated that $50 should cover it. I also told AirBnb that I doubted that we caused the scuff marks and said I felt like the owner was trying to stick it to a gringo. I also said if they sided with her that I would cancel my account and would not willingly pay them that $900 and would see them in court.

AirBnb did something I thought at first was weird but later realized was smart. They kept telling me they were investigating the case for weeks. I suspect that AirBnb was saying to the lady if you are apartment is not up to par, we are not going to put your apartment up on the site for people to rent it. In other words, you are going to have to spend $900 in repairs and THEN we will ask for you to be compensated or you can say the $50 is enough for cleaning and getting the place up to snuff. Now she is losing potentially $100 a night in rent. Worse, her reputation is being dinged. Finally, I think she backed off and told AirBnb the $50 for cleaning was adequate. Point is Airbnb was smart and was not going to let the woman profit off her potentially false claim.

So DL what are you going to do if the items in the apartment are vandalized, and the owner says I want $5000? You got a doorman saying you have women coming and going. You could have Airbnb saying you are engaged in sex trafficking and potentially in a USA court in violation with your agreement with the owner. You are cooked and have no defense. The smartest thing for you to do at that point would be to pay that owner whatever he wants.

If your Airbnb host says no trafficking, take your women to a love motel. Airbnb has different rules than hotels.[/QUOTE]You went off topic, the topic is bringing girls back to airbnb when house reals says no sex tourism.

But to answer your question about if host is a shithead and tries to swindle me for broken property? Well I took pics of every room before I left, date stamped.

I also researched my airbnb host previous comments in and outside of airbnb all of which were positive, which is another reason I took the chance to break the house rules.

At the end of the day it's up to each person to risk being thrown out of airbnb for doing what I did. It is a risk worth taking personally now that its hard to find airbnbs who are guest friendly at a reasonable price. I notice if your able to add guests for no additional costs, "no sex tourism" may be added due to admin meeting, but host doesn't enforce so he can continue renting out airbnb for $$.

[QUOTE=UnknownGnome;2821951]Any combination of two bisexual girls you guys have had fun with? I did one at a casa but the two girls just sat in the corner while I fucked the other and switched. Hoping for a more interactive experience.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Your odds are much better if you do a threesome with girls you've been with before. Do each one individually, then bring up the subject and see what they say. If you want them kiss/eat each other, etc., explicitly state that.

FWIW Ive had much better luck with threesomes in Brasil than in Colombia. Duplas they call them.

[QUOTE=UnknownGnome;2821951]Any combination of two bisexual girls you guys have had fun with? I did one at a casa but the two girls just sat in the corner while I fucked the other and switched. Hoping for a more interactive experience.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Find yourself one regular girl in MDE who might be bi is my first recommendation. I have my minisugar in MDE who is bi, and I let her pick the girls she like and then bring them to our place when I'm in MDE.

She has not let me down a single one, legs, tongues all over the place!

I never go to casas, I base all my action on Facebook where I have all my freelancers contacts.

I'm kind of new to facebook. I created a profile and am building my list. So far I have 38 friends. Got temporarily blocked for the first time today for too much activity. I have a question about looking at these profiles and deciding whether or not to friend the girl. Is there a way to click straight to her first post? In some cases her birthday including year of birth will be posted. It would be helpful because some of these girls have a million posts and there's no way to get to that original post. Thanks!

Has anyone ever met: [URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/dulce-lolita-nueva3233008889[/URL].

Thanks in advance!

I'm a frequent visitor of Tijuana as I've been living in Rosarito for a couple of years. But due to recent circumstances I needed a change in scenery as I had just broken up with a GF with an addicting magical pussy / ass and Tijuana just wasn't going to cut it. Hence my spur of the moment trip to the magical land that is Medellin.

7 day trip LAX-MDE via MIA using points on AA. Arrived MDE airport standard delay with customs only 2 workers at 2 pm. Mansion contracted driver waiting for me with sign 115 K COP. Odd he had a female name on sign as well as mine, but after 10 min no show asked how long, and we left to the world renowned mansion in Poblado.

Been about 4 years since my last stay at the mansion and it seems older, quieter, and calmer. But since my traveling buddy couldn't make it, this place makes me feel secure and safe from any potential scope or female issues that could arise. Also, I knew there would be some cool dudes I could hang with in the city that would have each others back. I speak Spanish well but still it's nice to have this base location. The rooms need to be upgraded as the price appears a bit excessive but considering the other benefits still seems worth it for peace of mind.

Day 1.

Upon arriving I didn't see any familiar faces working at M1 except for the sweet older cleaning ladies and a nice surprise of the beautiful Angy the blondie of years past working there helping out.

The pool area had one half dozen chicas milling around that were of below average looks, but maybe I'm spoiled since Tijuana is in my backyard. Well my plan was to fuck to the 12 step program of chicas to completely cure me of my ex GF and these chicas were not helping my goal. So I settled into the room near the pool and walked the 3 blocks to the 24 hour pharmacy for needed supplies of viagra, water, soda, chips and cups. Then headed across the street to the Olveido mall to get a good bottle of Rum (Abuelo) and have my first of many delicious meals of bandeja paisa at the lower level food court. Same area has atms to pull out 600 K COP, although later learned Starbucks building location just north of the pharmacy has a better limit ATM on 2nd floor of 1. 5 M? COP.

I head back and settle in but the chicas have disappeared due to the 6 pm curfew at the pool area. While I wait for the bar to get busier downstairs after 8 pm, I open up my handy Seeking app and WhatsApp and start letting my beautiful contacts know I've arrived.

The caliber of gorgeous Seeking girls in Medellin just don't compare to any other place. And so I go to work and try setup a date ASAP for my chica #1 of my 12 step program.

However, what I initially thought would be an easier setup than Tijuana due to the abundance of beautiful women here, turned out to be just as difficult to get the chica to come visit for the right price. My error was thinking the average ask would be 200 K maybe 300 K COP max but in hindsight should have discussed the prices sooner. All the Seeking girls started at 500 K COP and more and some even asked in USD WTF!

Maybe I was being too picky in choosing what looked like Victoria Secret models but damn if I couldn't get one to come over for less than 300 K.

So time has passed and I hit the bar downstairs that can only be accessed from the outside street side now. The cool guy at the door is foaming at the mouth with wide eyes thinking I'm an outsider and waiting for me to fork over 50 K. I have to repeatedly tell him my room number then finally he asks for the actual key and looks disappointed there will be no soup for him.

The place is dead for a Saturday night maybe the action starts later. There are a couple of lone guys milling around and a handful of chicas that are looking at their phones and don't stand out for me damn.

I get a drink from the cute bartender and flirt ask if she's available but no. Well I'm thinking this feels like Chicago bar on a slow night wtf am I doing here. Could have just went to HK and saved me the dreaded flight time.

I get couple drinks under my belt along with the viagra I took on the way in and finally I spot my #1 chica. She's just returned from the restroom or smoking a joint from the corner door with the stairs across from the bar. She fits my target 5'2" 100 lbs fully wet, not skinny but not chubby, dark skin with long shiny straight black hair and sexy eyes and smile. She was wearing all white tight fitted almost see through lycra pants and matching white fitted blouse and black boots? And carrying a helmet, she rides a motorcycle nice. But what got my attention was her amazing fuckable juicy ass. I had to have it!

We talk and flirt and she says the right things like how she likes to kiss and is passionate and moves sexily. I quickly skip my normal pre checks like confirming with an actual DFK, hand to the pussy and her hand to my cock, and tittie suck but I figure I'm not in Tijuana anymore so fuck it.

Offer 200 K she's firm on 300 K ($67 compared to HK $120 not bad) so we head up to the room and she turns off all the lights WTF. Danger Will Robinson Danger! My spidy senses come alert I'm thinking this is not good wtf is she trying to hide. Can't be shyness, she rode in a fucking motorcycle and wears eye catching clothing.

So I'm firm lights on and she start convincing me she's here for fun and continue from where we left off in the bar. I'm expecting she come over and DFK me and start taking her clothes off. No. She goes to the bathroom and stays there for longer time than usual. I'm thinking is she taking a dump on my watch wtf. This is not going well and I call her out on it. She finally comes out and tries turn off lights again. They stay on and finally ask her what are you trying to hide and ask her if she can remove her clothes. Well she moves like molasses and finally peels off the tight pants and I see her juicy ass. But then I notice she has these pimple like bumps all over her body with some bigger than others. I call her out and she says it's an allergic reaction and she's on meds. She removes all her clothes and I see she has it everywhere and I'm thinking no fucking way this is going to happen and I'm about to kick her out and let the front office aware of the situation.

She then pleads with me that she no money and she has been with others without complaint and I'm thinking hope not the guests here probably other drunk guys with the lights off. I've had a boner for couple hours now and slightly buzzed and take an extra second to think out it and say hell no. But she pleads again and I settle for a 45 min BBBJ after making sure her hands lips and mouth were good. Ended up with blue balls and fell asleep after. Didn't want to be that guy to complain about her to the office but would warn the others there about her skin issues.

Days 2-7 to follow. (It does get better for me).

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2822216]Is there a way to click straight to her first post? In some cases her birthday including year of birth will be posted. It would be helpful because some of these girls have a million posts and there's no way to get to that original post. Thanks![/QUOTE]I don't know how to get to the first post. But if your goal is just to determine her age, this is the process I follow.

I check the info section first. Many will list their birthday and year. For those that don't I scroll for 30 seconds and look for any birthday pictures. They love to post these. If I still can't find any info and she is at the top of my to do list, I'll just ask for her age. I find they are generally more honest than I'd expect. I have had 3 tell me they were 17 so I stayed away. Until they turned 18 at least.

Also, I always stay at places where the cedula of the girl will be checked by security. So when I am chatting with them and ask for their age, I mention it is because they will have to show ID to enter my apartment.

[QUOTE=DosLunas;2822293]I'm a frequent visitor of Tijuana as I've been living in Rosarito for a couple of years. But due to recent circumstances I needed a change in scenery as I had just broken up with a GF with an addicting magical pussy / ass and Tijuana just wasn't going to cut it. Hence my spur of the moment trip to the magical land that is Medellin.

7 day trip LAX-MDE via MIA using points on AA. Arrived MDE airport standard delay with customs only 2 workers at 2 pm. Mansion contracted driver waiting for me with sign 115 K COP. Odd he had a female name on sign as well as mine, but after 10 min no show asked how long, and we left to the world renowned mansion in Poblado.

Been about 4 years since my last stay at the mansion and it seems older, quieter, and calmer. But since my traveling buddy couldn't make it, this place makes me feel secure and safe from any potential scope or female issues that could arise. Also, I knew there would be some cool dudes I could hang with in the city that would have each others back. I speak Spanish well but still it's nice to have this base location. The rooms need to be upgraded as the price appears a bit excessive but considering the other benefits still seems worth it for peace of mind.

Day 1.

Upon arriving I didn't see any familiar faces working at M1 except for the sweet older cleaning ladies and a nice surprise of the beautiful Angy the blondie of years past working there helping out.

The pool area had one half dozen chicas milling around that were of below average looks, but maybe I'm spoiled since Tijuana is in my backyard. Well my plan was to fuck to the 12 step program of chicas to completely cure me of my ex GF and these chicas were not helping my goal. So I settled into the room near the pool and walked the 3 blocks to the 24 hour pharmacy for needed supplies of viagra, water, soda, chips and cups. Then headed across the street to the Olveido mall to get a good bottle of Rum (Abuelo) and have my first of many delicious meals of bandeja paisa at the lower level food court. Same area has atms to pull out 600 K COP, although later learned Starbucks building location just north of the pharmacy has a better limit ATM on 2nd floor of 1. 5 M? COP.

I head back and settle in but the chicas have disappeared due to the 6 pm curfew at the pool area. While I wait for the bar to get busier downstairs after 8 pm, I open up my handy Seeking app and WhatsApp and start letting my beautiful contacts know I've arrived.

The caliber of gorgeous Seeking girls in Medellin just don't compare to any other place. And so I go to work and try setup a date ASAP for my chica #1 of my 12 step program.

However, what I initially thought would be an easier setup than Tijuana due to the abundance of beautiful women here, turned out to be just as difficult to get the chica to come visit for the right price. My error was thinking the average ask would be 200 K maybe 300 K COP max but in hindsight should have discussed the prices sooner. All the Seeking girls started at 500 K COP and more and some even asked in USD WTF!

Maybe I was being too picky in choosing what looked like Victoria Secret models but damn if I couldn't get one to come over for less than 300 K.

So time has passed and I hit the bar downstairs that can only be accessed from the outside street side now. The cool guy at the door is foaming at the mouth with wide eyes thinking I'm an outsider and waiting for me to fork over 50 K. I have to repeatedly tell him my room number then finally he asks for the actual key and looks disappointed there will be no soup for him.

The place is dead for a Saturday night maybe the action starts later. There are a couple of lone guys milling around and a handful of chicas that are looking at their phones and don't stand out for me damn.

I get a drink from the cute bartender and flirt ask if she's available but no. Well I'm thinking this feels like Chicago bar on a slow night wtf am I doing here. Could have just went to HK and saved me the dreaded flight time.

I get couple drinks under my belt along with the viagra I took on the way in and finally I spot my #1 chica. She's just returned from the restroom or smoking a joint from the corner door with the stairs across from the bar. She fits my target 5'2" 100 lbs fully wet, not skinny but not chubby, dark skin with long shiny straight black hair and sexy eyes and smile. She was wearing all white tight fitted almost see through lycra pants and matching white fitted blouse and black boots? And carrying a helmet, she rides a motorcycle nice. But what got my attention was her amazing fuckable juicy ass. I had to have it!

We talk and flirt and she says the right things like how she likes to kiss and is passionate and moves sexily. I quickly skip my normal pre checks like confirming with an actual DFK, hand to the pussy and her hand to my cock, and tittie suck but I figure I'm not in Tijuana anymore so fuck it.

Offer 200 K she's firm on 300 K ($67 compared to HK $120 not bad) so we head up to the room and she turns off all the lights WTF. Danger Will Robinson Danger! My spidy senses come alert I'm thinking this is not good wtf is she trying to hide. Can't be shyness, she rode in a fucking motorcycle and wears eye catching clothing.

So I'm firm lights on and she start convincing me she's here for fun and continue from where we left off in the bar. I'm expecting she come over and DFK me and start taking her clothes off. No. She goes to the bathroom and stays there for longer time than usual. I'm thinking is she taking a dump on my watch wtf. This is not going well and I call her out on it. She finally comes out and tries turn off lights again. They stay on and finally ask her what are you trying to hide and ask her if she can remove her clothes. Well she moves like molasses and finally peels off the tight pants and I see her juicy ass. But then I notice she has these pimple like bumps all over her body with some bigger than others. I call her out and she says it's an allergic reaction and she's on meds. She removes all her clothes and I see she has it everywhere and I'm thinking no fucking way this is going to happen and I'm about to kick her out and let the front office aware of the situation.

She then pleads with me that she no money and she has been with others without complaint and I'm thinking hope not the guests here probably other drunk guys with the lights off. I've had a boner for couple hours now and slightly buzzed and take an extra second to think out it and say hell no. But she pleads again and I settle for a 45 min BBBJ after making sure her hands lips and mouth were good. Ended up with blue balls and fell asleep after. Didn't want to be that guy to complain about her to the office but would warn the others there about her skin issues.

Days 2-7 to follow. (It does get better for me).[/QUOTE]Sounds like syphilis second stage body rash. She needs to take Azythromycin or Doxycycline to clear that up. You might want to take those same meds as well regardless of whether or not her hands and mouth looked clean.

[QUOTE=DosLunas;2822293]The place is dead for a Saturday night maybe the action starts later. There are a couple of lone guys milling around and a handful of chicas that are looking at their phones and don't stand out for me damn. [/QUOTE]Saturday night there is not the intense night there it is in the US, as many girls head back to family Sunday and don't stay out too late Saturday night. Thursday and Friday nights are busier typically. That said, the girls come in waves. 6-9 pm, the daytime girls who wandered downstairs and eventually head out (many tell family they work a regular job, so they hang out until 'quitting time' Then I notice there is a dinner wave 9-11 pm, who then leave for elsewhere when they don't see what they want; and finally, a late wave 12-1 am who were elsewhere and come to the club because nothing else pawned out. Personally, the late-night crowd is hotter and wilder / drunker I find, but that doesn't equate to great sex of course. Just great bar time.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2822309]I don't know how to get to the first post. But if your goal is just to determine her age, this is the process I follow.

I check the info section first. Many will list their birthday and year. For those that don't I scroll for 30 seconds and look for any birthday pictures. They love to post these. If I still can't find any info and she is at the top of my to do list, I'll just ask for her age. I find they are generally more honest than I'd expect. I have had 3 tell me they were 17 so I stayed away. Until they turned 18 at least.

Also, I always stay at places where the cedula of the girl will be checked by security. So when I am chatting with them and ask for their age, I mention it is because they will have to show ID to enter my apartment.[/QUOTE]The birthdate listed on Facebook isn't always real. There is no verification so you can put down any year you want. I am the same way and my birthdate is years later. Girls are no different. I have experienced many girls who tell me that they are a different age than the listed birthdate. Sometimes younger, sometimes older.

[QUOTE=Thanks890;2822117]Thank you!!

I was wondering about this also. Which FB group I should join for this?[/QUOTE]This has been discussed many times in the past. There is no FB group where there are girls listed as available as escorts. Girls have FB profiles and you need to search for girls in Medellin and build your contacts from there.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2822324]Sounds like syphilis second stage body rash. She needs to take Azythromycin or Doxycycline to clear that up. You might want to take those same meds as well regardless of whether or not her hands and mouth looked clean.[/QUOTE]More like body acne called postules as it only centered around her legs, ass, and back but nonetheless thanks for the heads up will get my usual panel of STI check ASAP.

[QUOTE=DosLunas;2822293]I'm a frequent visitor of Tijuana as I've been living in Rosarito for a couple of years. But due to recent circumstances I needed a change in scenery as I had just broken up with a GF with an addicting magical pussy / ass and Tijuana just wasn't going to cut it. Hence my spur of the moment trip to the magical land that is Medellin.

7 day trip LAX-MDE via MIA using points on AA. Arrived MDE airport standard delay with customs only 2 workers at 2 pm. Mansion contracted driver waiting for me with sign 115 K COP. Odd he had a female name on sign as well as mine, but after 10 min no show asked how long, and we left to the world renowned mansion in Poblado.

Been about 4 years since my last stay at the mansion and it seems older, quieter, and calmer. But since my traveling buddy couldn't make it, this place makes me feel secure and safe from any potential scope or female issues that could arise. Also, I knew there would be some cool dudes I could hang with in the city that would have each others back. I speak Spanish well but still it's nice to have this base location. The rooms need to be upgraded as the price appears a bit excessive but considering the other benefits still seems worth it for peace of mind.

Day 1.

Upon arriving I didn't see any familiar faces working at M1 except for the sweet older cleaning ladies and a nice surprise of the beautiful Angy the blondie of years past working there helping out.[/QUOTE]Interesting experience and thanks for posting. Inspirational Spidey senses.

[QUOTE=DosLunas;2822293]......The caliber of gorgeous Seeking girls in Medellin just don't compare to any other place.......[/QUOTE]But I've been reading that Seeking girls in Mexico are the best.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2822324]Sounds like syphilis second stage body rash. She needs to take Azythromycin or Doxycycline to clear that up. You might want to take those same meds as well regardless of whether or not her hands and mouth looked clean.[/QUOTE]Treatment at this stage from what another monger told me requires one or more injections in the buttocks.

I believe decades ago they used to use Penicillin, but I'm not a medical doctor.

Too bad there are Chicas out there working with obvious skin maladies.

What a nightmare for the poster who tried to un-wrap the Chica with all the rashes and / or pimples, or whatever, but nobody will ever know, and hopefully the poster didn't pick up any type of infection from his encounter.

Unfortunately the "hobby" we partake in does come with a level of risk of catching things which can be mitigated to a certain degree.

Headed to Medellin solo, first time to Columbia I'm American but not gringo looking for a wingman if your visiting at the same time respond to this post.

[QUOTE=JoeF479;2822071]Had dinner here on my last night in Medellin. Food was above average IMO and the view was incredible. Would return. Loutron sucks tho. Would not return. Too much plastic.[/QUOTE]My last and final trip to Medellin was like that. Loutron sucked and la isla was bad. Girls just on their phone. No energy in the place. San Diego was a clip joint. Said I had to spend 50 dollars on drinks to sit. Some BS. Parque lleras was horrible. A bunch of weathered hard core looking zombie hos all over the place. Gustos sucked. More older weathered girls. The casas were ok. Found a throat champ in one of them and was with her 3 times. IMHO, just do the extra few hours and go to rio. There is no comparison.

Facebook Guide.

I honestly don't know why I'm typing this, but I'm tired of seeing how to build Facebook list. I know this will get buried. But with my title, I hope somebody is smart enough to use the search.

Let me say this first. If your trip to Medellin is within two months. Don't bother building it. You don't have enough time.

So this is how I build my list and I'm not sitting at 700 friends, and I get request every day. I also started my Facebook account in Nov 2022. For my.

MDE trip in Jan 2023.

I also want to say! Don't not go crazy on the Facebook request, maybe limit your self to 10-15 request per day or Facebook will block you! Also, don't married it with your real Facebook, don't even use the real number. Keep your real fiends from finding your activity. Create a new account under a different number with a different name.

First thing I did, I went to one of those Facebook group like club Isla. I look at the post and see who comment and like. Sometimes it's a girl, or it could be a monger. So, I'll look at the girl and I might add her, or if her friend list is visible. I'll skim through them. Same thing for the mongers (us). I'll see who likes their post and most likely it be a working girl. Add her. Look at her friends. If visible. Add them. While I'm doing this I'm skimming through their likes, comments and adding them. If you happen to find a monger with a visible fiends list, to hit a gold mine! Mines is hidden! So good luck! This won't be instant! And keep in mind on the 10-15 fiends per day.

By time you get to like 50 friends, Facebook will do the rest when it comes to suggestion. And you can just relied on that. And once you get to 100-150, they will start adding you. And at this point, your just at a revolving door.

So yes, Facebook requires a lot of work. Medellin requiere work when finding good girls from the internet.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2822796]My last and final trip to Medellin was like that. Loutron sucked and la isla was bad. Girls just on their phone. No energy in the place. San Diego was a clip joint. Said I had to spend 50 dollars on drinks to sit. Some BS. Parque lleras was horrible. A bunch of weathered hard core looking zombie hos all over the place. Gustos sucked. More older weathered girls. The casas were ok. Found a throat champ in one of them and was with her 3 times. IMHO, just do the extra few hours and go to rio. There is no comparison.[/QUOTE]Rio is definitely a nicer city and has more attractions to offer, but in terms of mongering, both cities went downhill. I agree with everything you said about Medellin, but Rio is not any better these days. Mabs sucks, Dolce Vita sucks, Marrakech sucks too. Prives are low quality, same as MDE casas. The only venues that stand out are termas (mid to higher end), simply because there is no such concept in MDE. However, online game in MDE is much better, folks have great success with FB, Seeking, even Tinder, despite scopolamine cases. I have tried online game in Rio, and honestly, it just sucks. Seeking is not popular, very few options there. There is no FB game, because it is kinda unique to MDE. And barely any fish on Tinder, at least for me, almost no matches. So, in resume: online game is better in MDE, especially if you are looking for semi-pros. Everything else sucks, or is hit or miss. In Rio, termas is the best option, in terms of price / value / fun.

Non pros: Rio has much better talent, but you have to speak Porto and stand out, as they are used to foreigners, plus local dudes are better looking than an average Colombiano. In MDE, it is probably a bit easier to hook up with a non pro (not easy, but easier than in Rio), Spanish is less of a barrier, and girls are less demanding.

But in the grand scheme of things, despite all the negatives, both cities are worth visiting and are much better mongering destinations south of USA, along with big brothers SP and Bogota, than any other places in Latin America

Well that is a buzzkill. I wonder if the poor girl defaulted to the Mansion after too many rejections in Centro.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2822324]Sounds like syphilis second stage body rash. She needs to take Azythromycin or Doxycycline to clear that up. You might want to take those same meds as well regardless of whether or not her hands and mouth looked clean.[/QUOTE]

Well done for the spidey sensing. I consider the lights out routine a huge red flag. I have an iron clad policy against it. I like to see what I'm doing and with whom I am doing it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2822756]Treatment at this stage from what another monger told me requires one or more injections in the buttocks.

I believe decades ago they used to use Penicillin, but I'm not a medical doctor.

Too bad there are Chicas out there working with obvious skin maladies.

What a nightmare for the poster who tried to un-wrap the Chica with all the rashes and / or pimples, or whatever, but nobody will ever know, and hopefully the poster didn't pick up any type of infection from his encounter.

Unfortunately the "hobby" we partake in does come with a level of risk of catching things which can be mitigated to a certain degree.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2822836]Rio is definitely a nicer city and has more attractions to offer, but in terms of mongering, both cities went downhill. I agree with everything you said about Medellin, but Rio is not any better these days. Mabs sucks, Dolce Vita sucks, Marrakech sucks too. Prives are low quality, same as MDE casas. The only venues that stand out are termas (mid to higher end), simply because there is no such concept in MDE. However, online game in MDE is much better, folks have great success with FB, Seeking, even Tinder, despite scopolamine cases. I have tried online game in Rio, and honestly, it just sucks. Seeking is not popular, very few options there. There is no FB game, because it is kinda unique to MDE. And barely any fish on Tinder, at least for me, almost no matches. So, in resume: online game is better in MDE, especially if you are looking for semi-pros. Everything else sucks, or is hit or miss. In Rio, termas is the best option, in terms of price / value / fun.

Non pros: Rio has much better talent, but you have to speak Porto and stand out, as they are used to foreigners, plus local dudes are better looking than an average Colombiano. In MDE, it is probably a bit easier to hook up with a non pro (not easy, but easier than in Rio), Spanish is less of a barrier, and girls are less demanding.

But in the grand scheme of things, despite all the negatives, both cities are worth visiting and are much better mongering destinations south of USA, along with big brothers SP and Bogota, than any other places in Latin America[/QUOTE]Downhill is relative because every destination has gone downhill so that puts Brazil still at the top. Costa Rica from what I'm reading sucks now, Tijuana is a shell of what it was 15 years ago. What we need is a new destination like a Peru or Panama to step up the infrastructure for our hobby and become what those places used to be.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2822836]Rio is definitely a nicer city and has more attractions to offer, but in terms of mongering, both cities went downhill. I agree with everything you said about Medellin, but Rio is not any better these days. Mabs sucks, Dolce Vita sucks, Marrakech sucks too. Prives are low quality, same as MDE casas. The only venues that stand out are termas (mid to higher end), simply because there is no such concept in MDE. However, online game in MDE is much better, folks have great success with FB, Seeking, even Tinder, despite scopolamine cases. I have tried online game in Rio, and honestly, it just sucks. Seeking is not popular, very few options there. There is no FB game, because it is kinda unique to MDE. And barely any fish on Tinder, at least for me, almost no matches. So, in resume: online game is better in MDE, especially if you are looking for semi-pros. Everything else sucks, or is hit or miss. In Rio, termas is the best option, in terms of price / value / fun.

Non pros: Rio has much better talent, but you have to speak Porto and stand out, as they are used to foreigners, plus local dudes are better looking than an average Colombiano. In MDE, it is probably a bit easier to hook up with a non pro (not easy, but easier than in Rio), Spanish is less of a barrier, and girls are less demanding.

But in the grand scheme of things, despite all the negatives, both cities are worth visiting and are much better mongering destinations south of USA, along with big brothers SP and Bogota, than any other places in Latin America[/QUOTE]Another negative Charlie post.

I disagree with most of it, Lol.

Just back from 10 days in Rio.

Loved it!

The Termas to me are overpriced and boring, I find my fun elsewhere and there's so much, it's overwhelming at times, LOL.

I head to Medellin in a few days, and I'm sure it'll be great!

Besides my stable of amigas already there, I know there are more in the wait.

It's all about ones's attitude really.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2823050]Another negative Charlie post.

I disagree with most of it, Lol.

Just back from 10 days in Rio.

Loved it!

The Termas to me are overpriced and boring, I find my fun elsewhere and there's so much, it's overwhelming at times, LOL.

I head to Medellin in a few days, and I'm sure it'll be great!

Besides my stable of amigas already there, I know there are more in the wait.

It's all about ones's attitude really.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Where is elseware for you. Please elaborate since you don't like termas. Are you more a privates guy. Seeking? Where ru going to have all this fun that we are missing.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2823050]

It's all about ones's attitude really.

Enjoy![/QUOTE]It has very little to do with an attitude. I was comparing current scene vs what the scene used to be not long time ago (even 2-3 yrs). What exactly you are disagreeing with? Care to elaborate? I'm all ears when it comes to constructive criticism, but your response has nothing constructive.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2822961]Downhill is relative because every destination has gone downhill so that puts Brazil still at the top. Costa Rica from what I'm reading sucks now, Tijuana is a shell of what it was 15 years ago. What we need is a new destination like a Peru or Panama to step up the infrastructure for our hobby and become what those places used to be.[/QUOTE]Peru is a great tourist destination, but not a mongering one. It has very little talent.

Panama is overpriced and the talent is all imported. USD is an official currency, and the local one is tied to USD 1:1 anyway.

I was in CR last time in 2016, and it already sucked. Too many gringos, and the talent is limited.

Maybe Venezuela could be our next klondike, if the regime changes.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2822836]Rio is definitely a nicer city and has more attractions to offer, but in terms of mongering, both cities went downhill. I agree with everything you said about Medellin, but Rio is not any better these days. Mabs sucks, Dolce Vita sucks, Marrakech sucks too. Prives are low quality, same as MDE casas. The only venues that stand out are termas (mid to higher end), simply because there is no such concept in MDE. However, online game in MDE is much better, folks have great success with FB, Seeking, even Tinder, despite scopolamine cases. I have tried online game in Rio, and honestly, it just sucks. Seeking is not popular, very few options there. There is no FB game, because it is kinda unique to MDE. And barely any fish on Tinder, at least for me, almost no matches. So, in resume: online game is better in MDE, especially if you are looking for semi-pros. Everything else sucks, or is hit or miss. In Rio, termas is the best option, in terms of price / value / fun.

Non pros: Rio has much better talent, but you have to speak Porto and stand out, as they are used to foreigners, plus local dudes are better looking than an average Colombiano. In MDE, it is probably a bit easier to hook up with a non pro (not easy, but easier than in Rio), Spanish is less of a barrier, and girls are less demanding.

But in the grand scheme of things, despite all the negatives, both cities are worth visiting and are much better mongering destinations south of USA, along with big brothers SP and Bogota, than any other places in Latin America[/QUOTE]Yes, Rio isn't what it was since the days of Help. But the world was much different back then already. The way we communiucate and connect. We globalization what we trade in being able to find a chica online nad talk and meet we loose the attentiveness of the girls in the moment cause they rather zone out on tiktok.

I imagine a dream world would be a club like help and then like phone locker pouches like they have at stand up comedy shows that don't allow you to be on the phone in the venue. Of course it is a dream no one is going to invest that much just for some working girls. Just enjoy what you have now, no matter the city it still beats what we got in the US!

What the scene used to be 2-3 years ago, or 2-3 months ago doesn't matter. It changes. It has changed and it's not changing back. It's up to you to adapt to the change. If you read the board, most guys fall into 2 groups. Either they're complaining about the changes, or they're still having a great time.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823074]It has very little to do with an attitude. I was comparing current scene vs what the scene used to be not long time ago (even 2-3 yrs). What exactly you are disagreeing with? Care to elaborate? I'm all ears when it comes to constructive criticism, but your response has nothing constructive.[/QUOTE]It has everything to do with attitude. Practically everything has everything to do with attitude. Here are some examples:

1. There's a long line at the grocery store. You could get upset because you don't want to wait, then take it out on the cashier. You walk away pissed and had a bad experience. Or you could start talking with the people in line, crack a few jokes, and greet the cashier cheerfully. You walk away smiling.

2. The girl, in whatever city, you had hoped to get, wants too much, ghosts you or gets a shitty attitude. You could complain that the scene is ruined and have no fun. Your day or night and possibly trip is ruined. Or you could look at it as an opportunity to try something new. Go to a new club, play tourist, strike up a conversation on the metro. There are endless possibilities. Next thing you know you've spent several hours hanging with 4 college girls who really enjoy your company. Turns into best trip ever.

If gringos are ruining whatever you think is being ruined, go where the gringos don't go. 90% of Medellin is almost never visited by gringos, many are nice, upscale areas with great food and nightlife.

Or leave Medellin. Go to Armenia, Ibague, Monteria. There are things to see and do and beautiful women just waiting for some guy to smile and say Hello,.

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2822819]Facebook Guide.

I honestly don't know why I'm typing this, but I'm tired of seeing how to build Facebook list. I know this will get buried. But with my title, I hope somebody is smart enough to use the search.

Let me say this first. If your trip to Medellin is within two months. Don't bother building it. You don't have enough time.

So this is how I build my list and I'm not sitting at 700 friends, and I get request every day. I also started my Facebook account in Nov 2022. For my.

MDE trip in Jan 2023.

I also want to say! Don't not go crazy on the Facebook request, maybe limit your self to 10-15 request per day or Facebook will block you! Also, don't married it with your real Facebook, don't even use the real number. Keep your real fiends from finding your activity. Create a new account under a different number with a different name.

First thing I did, I went to one of those Facebook group like club Isla. I look at the post and see who comment and like. Sometimes it's a girl, or it could be a monger. So, I'll look at the girl and I might add her, or if her friend list is visible. I'll skim through them. Same thing for the mongers (us). I'll see who likes their post and most likely it be a working girl. Add her. Look at her friends. If visible. Add them. While I'm doing this I'm skimming through their likes, comments and adding them. If you happen to find a monger with a visible fiends list, to hit a gold mine! Mines is hidden! So good luck! This won't be instant! And keep in mind on the 10-15 fiends per day.

By time you get to like 50 friends, Facebook will do the rest when it comes to suggestion. And you can just relied on that. And once you get to 100-150, they will start adding you. And at this point, your just at a revolving door.

So yes, Facebook requires a lot of work. Medellin requiere work when finding good girls from the internet.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me the full name of the club Isla group?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823081]Peru is a great tourist destination, but not a mongering one. It has very little talent.

Panama is overpriced and the talent is all imported. USD is an official currency, and the local one is tied to USD 1:1 anyway.

I was in CR last time in 2016, and it already sucked. Too many gringos, and the talent is limited.

Maybe Venezuela could be our next klondike, if the regime changes.[/QUOTE]Agree on Panama. I been and have no plans going back. From a monger point of view. Nothing but a overprice Medellin. Better off going to Miami. Majority of the working girls in Panama are from Colombia.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2822840] I consider the lights out routine a huge red flag. I have an iron clad policy against it. I like to see what I'm doing and with whom I am doing it.[/QUOTE]Well probably the worst thing isn't the the lights out routine as you know something is amiss and can abort.

But when you pick someone, and the clothes come off, and they take off their bra and their boobs drop, kind of like runny sunny side up eggs, this is a definite boner killer for me.

You never now what your going to get at times when you un-wrap a Chica, kind of like a box of chocolates.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823074]It has very little to do with an attitude.[/QUOTE]OK Dr Fun, LOL.
Wrong again.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2823057]Where is elseware for you. Please elaborate since you don't like termas. Are you more a privates guy. Seeking? Where ru going to have all this fun that we are missing.[/QUOTE]I go everywhere. Clubs, prives, Copa, Centro, VM, termas occasionally if friends want to go, etc.

It's just fun.

Not that difficult, LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2823126]What the scene used to be 2-3 years ago, or 2-3 months ago doesn't matter. It changes. It has changed and it's not changing back. It's up to you to adapt to the change. If you read the board, most guys fall into 2 groups. Either they're complaining about the changes, or they're still having a great time.

It has everything to do with attitude. Practically everything has everything to do with attitude. Here are some examples:

1. There's a long line at the grocery store. You could get upset because you don't want to wait, then take it out on the cashier. You walk away pissed and had a bad experience. Or you could start talking with the people in line, crack a few jokes, and greet the cashier cheerfully. You walk away smiling.

2. The girl, in whatever city, you had hoped to get, wants too much, ghosts you or gets a shitty attitude. You could complain that the scene is ruined and have no fun. Your day or night and possibly trip is ruined. Or you could look at it as an opportunity to try something new. Go to a new club, play tourist, strike up a conversation on the metro. There are endless possibilities. Next thing you know you've spent several hours hanging with 4 college girls who really enjoy your company. Turns into best trip ever.

If gringos are ruining whatever you think is being ruined, go where the gringos don't go. 90% of Medellin is almost never visited by gringos, many are nice, upscale areas with great food and nightlife.

Or leave Medellin. Go to Armenia, Ibague, Monteria. There are things to see and do and beautiful women just waiting for some guy to smile and say Hello,.[/QUOTE]With all due respect I do think medellin has changed too much.

I'm one of the few that don't mind paying whatever it takes to have a good time.

But even I had to draw the line at 300 usd for one hour and a covered blow job.

I've spoken to a few vets that have lost regs because now they want more $$ for shittier service.

I have left medellin and found a new home in Colombia and just had a blast.

While I understand your point that it's what you make of it.

Medellin is simply not worth it anymore. And I'm one of the few willing to pay 300 usd as long as I get my way.

But the western attitude has hit the paisas hard.

So I do eventually think it'll go back cause right now the paisas egos, it's at an all time high.

And if they continue down this road many gringos will realize it's simply not worth it when they factor in lodging travel and food to pay for 300 mil or 300 usd covered blowjobs and the risk of getting drugged is even higher than ever.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2823126]What the scene used to be 2-3 years ago, or 2-3 months ago doesn't matter. It changes. It has changed and it's not changing back. It's up to you to adapt to the change. If you read the board, most guys fall into 2 groups. Either they're complaining about the changes, or they're still having a great time.

It has everything to do with attitude. Practically everything has everything to do with attitude. Here are some examples:

1. There's a long line at the grocery store. You could get upset because you don't want to wait, then take it out on the cashier. You walk away pissed and had a bad experience. Or you could start talking with the people in line, crack a few jokes, and greet the cashier cheerfully. You walk away smiling.

2. The girl, in whatever city, you had hoped to get, wants too much, ghosts you or gets a shitty attitude. You could complain that the scene is ruined and have no fun. Your day or night and possibly trip is ruined. Or you could look at it as an opportunity to try something new. Go to a new club, play tourist, strike up a conversation on the metro. There are endless possibilities. Next thing you know you've spent several hours hanging with 4 college girls who really enjoy your company. Turns into best trip ever.

If gringos are ruining whatever you think is being ruined, go where the gringos don't go. 90% of Medellin is almost never visited by gringos, many are nice, upscale areas with great food and nightlife.

Or leave Medellin. Go to Armenia, Ibague, Monteria. There are things to see and do and beautiful women just waiting for some guy to smile and say Hello,.[/QUOTE]I only started going to Medellin less than a year ago so I don't know how it was. I can imagine that it was great before the large increase of gringos and passport bros to Medellin. I only know how it is now and right now, it is still pretty good. There are many girls to choose from so you don't have to go with girls who are charging too much or have too many restrictions. It is up to you to do the work to find the girls that you like for the price that you want.

Medellin has many options and you just have to find the options that you like. Casas and street walkers in El Centro if you are on a tight budget. Nightclubs in Park Llerras if you want to meet the girl first. Facebook if you are willing to put in the time and effort before your trip. I am a Facebook guy and so far it has been working out very well. No complaints so far.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2823232]With all due respect I do think medellin has changed too much.

I'm one of the few that don't mind paying whatever it takes to have a good time.

But even I had to draw the line at 300 usd for one hour and a covered blow job.

I've spoken to a few vets that have lost regs because now they want more $$ for shittier service.

I have left medellin and found a new home in Colombia and just had a blast.

While I understand your point that it's what you make of it.

Medellin is simply not worth it anymore. And I'm one of the few willing to pay 300 usd as long as I get my way.

But the western attitude has hit the paisas hard.

So I do eventually think it'll go back cause right now the paisas egos, it's at an all time high.

And if they continue down this road many gringos will realize it's simply not worth it when they factor in lodging travel and food to pay for 300 mil or 300 usd covered blowjobs and the risk of getting drugged is even higher than ever.[/QUOTE]Where in the heck are you goin lookin for action in mde?? I have been there 20 or so times in the last 12 years & have NEVER paid 300 usd for a CBJ. 300 cop for a BBBJ / GFE / at times BBFS over & over again. Look at yourself in the mirror pal, I STILL have a great time, eveyrtime I vist. You must be the problem.

[QUOTE=Artvand1;2808065]Hey guys, this question might not have been asked here before. I working remotely so I was planning to get the digital nomad visa for 2 years and plan to set up shop in Colombia. I speak Spanish fairly well. I am not looking to monger per se, but would love to anywhere in Colombia. But the recent news about drugging and murder makes me wary. If you don't plan to monger or only monger a little how safe is Colombia for living long term and for long term relationships. Thanks, muchas gracias![/QUOTE]You got to look at the optics of everything. I've frequented Colombia 5 times. I stopped only because I relocated to UAE for a bit. I'm planning on doing the digital nomad visa next year after I finish my online PhD. The people who are murdered as usually involved in some shady business. The people getting drugged are not vetting girls or making themselves to be a mark in my opinion. For example, there are several videos on social media of Americans flashing clash (making it rain in clubs), getting ridiculously drunk, fucking women on balconies, etc. Everyone there knows you have money by your mere presence of being there (flights aren't cheap), so showing opulence in front of people who are not making a lot will definitely increase the odds of something unfavorable happening to you.

My advice to you is if you invite a woman to your room, don't have anything work a lot of money in plain view (Keep the good guys honest). If you want to part-time monger, stick to Facebook girls. They are all pretty vetted and at least one American on their friends list has been with them and can tell you about it. If they provide drugs, don't take it. Keep your drink with you at all times.

Long-term relationships can be had quite easily in Colombia. Just make sure they aren't party girls. I suggest walking around a mall and approaching women. Hell, even approach them at a restaurant or coffee shop. They are fairly easy to talk to and you can be assured they aren't party girls. Every woman in Colombia is beautiful, you just want a humble one. I don't recommend looking for them online because 90% of them are pros pretending to be regular girls until it's time to meet and they want a payment after you've already met them and took them to bed.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2823239]I only started going to Medellin less than a year ago so I don't know how it was. I can imagine that it was great before the large increase of gringos and passport bros to Medellin. I only know how it is now and right now, it is still pretty good. There are many girls to choose from so you don't have to go with girls who are charging too much or have too many restrictions. It is up to you to do the work to find the girls that you like for the price that you want.

Medellin has many options and you just have to find the options that you like. Casas and street walkers in El Centro if you are on a tight budget. Nightclubs in Park Llerras if you want to meet the girl first. Facebook if you are willing to put in the time and effort before your trip. I am a Facebook guy and so far it has been working out very well. No complaints so far.[/QUOTE]Your post illustrates at least for the new comers who have only been coming here since the Pandemic how good it still can be here, albeit the landscape was very different here prior to the Pandemic as one milestone, and the other milestone being the arrival of the Venezuelans starting many years ago.

I can remember when there were no Venezuelans, or at least I didn't run into any 10 years ago in Centro.

I guess this whole discussion by various posters begs the question is there really any better mongering options in Latin America besides Rio that has been mentioned.

And as mentioned by other posters, the good old glory days of Tijuana and Sosua are long gone, yet I don't see Medellin going this way.

So we just have to make the best of things here as you mention, and savor the memories of bygone times at the different locales.

I believe JB2 said people were either complaining or having a good time here.

For me it's been both.

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2822819]Facebook Guide.

I honestly don't know why I'm typing this, but I'm tired of seeing how to build Facebook list. I know this will get buried. But with my title, I hope somebody is smart enough to use the search.

Let me say this first. If your trip to Medellin is within two months. Don't bother building it. You don't have enough time.

So this is how I build my list and I'm not sitting at 700 friends, and I get request every day. I also started my Facebook account in Nov 2022. For my.

MDE trip in Jan 2023.

I also want to say! Don't not go crazy on the Facebook request, maybe limit your self to 10-15 request per day or Facebook will block you! Also, don't married it with your real Facebook, don't even use the real number. Keep your real fiends from finding your activity. Create a new account under a different number with a different name.[/QUOTE]This is very good advice to all those who ask how to find Facebook girls in Medellin. Plant the seed and your FB friends list will grow very time. Don't be so selective in the beginning and as noted, look at the posts on FB profiles and comments and likes and you can mine those for more friend requests. As your list grows, then you can go back and start pruning the girls who you would not actually see. As noted, once you have a certain amount of girls in Medellin, FB starts recommending young attractive girls in Medellin to you and girls will start making friend requests to you too.

Good luck to all.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2823239]I only started going to Medellin less than a year ago so I don't know how it was. I can imagine that it was great before the large increase of gringos and passport bros to Medellin. I only know how it is now and right now, it is still pretty good. There are many girls to choose from so you don't have to go with girls who are charging too much or have too many restrictions. It is up to you to do the work to find the girls that you like for the price that you want.

Medellin has many options and you just have to find the options that you like. Casas and street walkers in El Centro if you are on a tight budget. Nightclubs in Park Llerras if you want to meet the girl first. Facebook if you are willing to put in the time and effort before your trip. I am a Facebook guy and so far it has been working out very well. No complaints so far.[/QUOTE]Yep.

How was it before? Going back 6 years, there were guys saying that Medellin was crumbling and gringos were ruining everything by overpaying girls. In 6 years there will be the same complaints. For some the sky is always falling.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2823253]Where in the heck are you goin lookin for action in mde?? I have been there 20 or so times in the last 12 years & have NEVER paid 300 usd for a CBJ. 300 cop for a BBBJ / GFE / at times BBFS over & over again. Look at yourself in the mirror pal, I STILL have a great time, eveyrtime I vist. You must be the problem.[/QUOTE]I don't deal with bottom of the barrel girls nor do I want to put the work in to find these girls.

I just got out of a 2 year relationship with a paisa model. A real model not a BS Instagram want to be model.

One of the very few good ones in medellin. Paid her own way bought me expensive gifts like Versace 1000 $ sneakers. Clothes etc.

So I don't think I have any problems. I'm actually referring to other people's experiences. I have never paid 300 usd for covered BJ. But I know someone who just did. And these are the prices girls are quoting in Lleras.

Just came back from Bogota had a blast and banged 7 girls all CIM finishes.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2823386]Yep.

How was it before? Going back 6 years, there were guys saying that Medellin was crumbling and gringos were ruining everything by overpaying girls. In 6 years there will be the same complaints. For some the sky is always falling.[/QUOTE]6 years ago there weren't as many druggings.

6 years ago lleras wasn't bombarded by centro sws.

6 years ago these paisas didn't have inflated egos like they do now.

6 years ago there wasn't as much exposure (passport bros) to this hobby in mde as now.

If you're set in your ways that's fine. But there is a big difference from 6 years ago.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2823415]6 years ago there weren't as many druggings.

6 years ago lleras wasn't bombarded by centro sws.

6 years ago these paisas didn't have inflated egos like they do now.

6 years ago there wasn't as much exposure (passport bros) to this hobby in mde as now.

If you're set in your ways that's fine. But there is a big difference from 6 years ago.[/QUOTE]I've often disagreed with Sang but he's right on this one. That said one can pollyanna their way through about anything. There's even some Costa Rica pollyannas left, though anyone who was there one to three decades ago knows the venue is now a mere shadow of it's former self. Nonetheless if one is from rural Alabama and has no skills with women, a Florida strip club where they get some feels for $200 is a wonderful time. So who are we to spoil their "great time?" We don't but can talk about the quest for a better time. Medellin is still a good time but it may be time to explore some of the less familar spots around the city, or other cities in Colombia altogether. Medellin has really exploded on Youtube, not only with sex tourism promotion but hawkers selling it as "the digital nomad Mecca. " Seems there's a new one of these grabbing a meaphone everyday. Running a semi-successful Youtube channel probably brings in enough to live pretty good down there.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823081]Peru is a great tourist destination, but not a mongering one. It has very little talent.

Panama is overpriced and the talent is all imported. USD is an official currency, and the local one is tied to USD 1:1 anyway.

I was in CR last time in 2016, and it already sucked. Too many gringos, and the talent is limited.

Maybe Venezuela could be our next klondike, if the regime changes.[/QUOTE]You can go to Venezuela right now if you really about it.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2823415]6 years ago there weren't as many druggings.

6 years ago lleras wasn't bombarded by centro sws.

6 years ago these paisas didn't have inflated egos like they do now.

6 years ago there wasn't as much exposure (passport bros) to this hobby in mde as now.

If you're set in your ways that's fine. But there is a big difference from 6 years ago.[/QUOTE]Nobody is disputing, or saying that there has not been a big difference from six years ago.

In fact, it's like night and day compared to six years ago.

The issue is whether guys are going to accept the differences, or not, meaning going elsewhere, or accept them.

So depending on how a guy rolls, he will decide whether he will continue coming here or not.

And for all the new mongers here who have only been coming here since the Pandemic versus since before the Pandemic, it has changed dramatically which nobody as I mentioned will dispute here.

And for the newcomers, if you think it's good now, well at least for me it was way better years ago.

Sometimes there is a lack of distinction in these posts between the older mongers in their late 50's and above, and young mongers in their 20's and 30's or so. There is a big difference. For the older guys, you do have to understand that if you are meeting girls young enough to be your granddaughter, she is meeting you to make some money. Of course, she would rather hang out with young fit handsome guys her age who can speak Spanish. She is not interested in hanging out with you for free, and she would like to well compensated for spending time with you. Otherwise, she would prefer to hang out with younger good looking guys. As for the younger mongers, if you think the girls prefer to hang out with you guys rather than us old guys, more power to you. I was young once so I understand the attitude. One day, if you are lucky, you will be an older monger like me still banging girls 18-22, just like when you were younger.

Now, for me, an older guy, that is one of the attractions of Medellin. I don't mind paying a reasonable amount to have sex with a young attractive woman 18-22, and in Medelllin, there are plenty of women in that category eager to spend time with me and other older gringos to make some money. It is not difficult to find them. They usually put in the effort to get me to want to see them again, and they are happy with the money they make. Win Win Situation for both parties.

[QUOTE=Westside310;2823128]Can you tell me the full name of the club Isla group?[/QUOTE]The exact name on Facebook you should look for is [B]La Isla Medellin[/B].

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2823433]You can go to Venezuela right now if you really about it.[/QUOTE]But the country is semi dollarized so it won't be cheap either.

I spent 3 days and nights with a hot Vennie in Bocagrande right before Covid hit and fucked everything up. She showed me a lot of pics of her beautiful country. Gorgeous women, great beaches, advanced infrastructure. It could be such a great place to visit but I won't be going there anytime soon. Hopefully they can get a new government. It used to be the richest country in SA.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2823452]The exact name on Facebook you should look for is [B]La Isla Medellin[/B].[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.facebook.com/laislaclubmed/[/URL]

Could be great if it were safe for travel and not in the current political mess. Half of my faves in Medellin are Vennies.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2823469]I spent 3 days and nights with a hot Vennie in Bocagrande right before Covid hit and fucked everything up. She showed me a lot of pics of her beautiful country. Gorgeous women, great beaches, advanced infrastructure. It could be such a great place to visit but I won't be going there anytime soon. Hopefully they can get a new government. It used to be the richest country in SA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shemp;2823253]Where in the heck are you goin lookin for action in mde?? I have been there 20 or so times in the last 12 years & have NEVER paid 300 usd for a CBJ. 300 cop for a BBBJ / GFE / at times BBFS over & over again. Look at yourself in the mirror pal, I STILL have a great time, eveyrtime I vist. You must be the problem.[/QUOTE]Hi could you please post the best places to visit in Madeline, nightclubs, casas, etc. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2823433]You can go to Venezuela right now if you really about it.[/QUOTE]Your giving out dangerous false information. If he were to go to Venezuela on a US passport he would be arrested at the border and thrown into a venezuelan prison for who knows how long, probably to use as a prisoner swap with Joe Biden. There's an American stuck there right now named Hernandez he's been there for like 2 years.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2823433]You can go to Venezuela right now if you really about it.[/QUOTE]Oh I didn't see who the original poster was. Yea MB1 you should go into Venezuela bro. I heard the SA girls there are all looking for Sugars. Be sure to report back here how Venezuela treats you bro.

[QUOTE=Nick5252;2823161]Agree on Panama. I been and have no plans going back. From a monger point of view. Nothing but a overprice Medellin. Better off going to Miami. Majority of the working girls in Panama are from Colombia.[/QUOTE]Theres a club / bar down by the entrance to the old town, USD 10-15 per time. Girls from all over central America and Colombia / Vnzla. Its only expensive is you frequent the tourist places.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2823459]But the country is semi dollarized so it won't be cheap either.[/QUOTE]Thats not a relevant decider. Ecuador uses USD as local currency and its incredibly cheap for chicas.

[QUOTE=Gristle1;2823366]Long-term relationships can be had quite easily in Colombia. Just make sure they aren't party girls. I suggest walking around a mall and approaching women. Hell, even approach them at a restaurant or coffee shop. They are fairly easy to talk to and you can be assured they aren't party girls. Every woman in Colombia is beautiful, you just want a humble one.[/QUOTE]I'm organising a soup kitchen party this weekend. I know there will be plenty of humble, honest girls coming. And no doubt happy to meet me. And I know none would even dream of charging 300.000.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2823452]The exact name on Facebook you should look for is [B]La Isla Medellin[/B].[/QUOTE]Thanks for replying. I appreciate you.

I searched for it but nothing came up under that name. Maybe the group is private or closed. Would you mind sending me a pm and maybe you could invite me to the group?

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[QUOTE=MoonShot;2823440]Sometimes there is a lack of distinction in these posts between the older mongers in their late 50's and above, and young mongers in their 20's and 30's or so. There is a big difference. For the older guys, you do have to understand that if you are meeting girls young enough to be your granddaughter, she is meeting you to make some money. Of course, she would rather hang out with young fit handsome guys her age who can speak Spanish. She is not interested in hanging out with you for free, and she would like to well compensated for spending time with you. Otherwise, she would prefer to hang out with younger good looking guys. As for the younger mongers, if you think the girls prefer to hang out with you guys rather than us old guys, more power to you. I was young once so I understand the attitude. One day, if you are lucky, you will be an older monger like me still banging girls 18-22, just like when you were younger.

Now, for me, an older guy, that is one of the attractions of Medellin. I don't mind paying a reasonable amount to have sex with a young attractive woman 18-22, and in Medelllin, there are plenty of women in that category eager to spend time with me and other older gringos to make some money. It is not difficult to find them. They usually put in the effort to get me to want to see them again, and they are happy with the money they make. Win Win Situation for both parties.[/QUOTE]I don't think this entirely true. Yes, women who are younger date guys closer to their age. However, when it comes down to mongering they prefer older men. When you are in your 20's you are immature. I have dated many college age women in my 40's and 50's who said younger guys are one dimensional. It's just a cockfest and that gets boring. I have two girls who I see regularly in Medellin who say they like me the way that I am and I treat them well.

If you are young and so good looking why do you have to pay? I don't want a relationship so sugar dating works for me.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2823497]Thats not a relevant decider. Ecuador uses USD as local currency and its incredibly cheap for chicas.[/QUOTE]That is good to know. I am going to check out that place you mentioned earlier soon. Hehe.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2823493]Theres a club / bar down by the entrance to the old town, USD 10-15 per time. Girls from all over central America and Colombia / Vnzla. Its only expensive is you frequent the tourist places.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have been to that place, forget the name, not too far from the fish market. If you want to pay 10-15 usd to a dirty working girl for a 15 minute session in a room that looks worse than a jail cell, be my guest & have a great time.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2823517]I don't think this entirely true. Yes, women who are younger date guys closer to their age. However, when it comes down to mongering they prefer older men. When you are in your 20's you are immature. I have dated many college age women in my 40's and 50's who said younger guys are one dimensional. It's just a cockfest and that gets boring. I have two girls who I see regularly in Medellin who say they like me the way that I am and I treat them well.

If you are young and so good looking why do you have to pay? I don't want a relationship so sugar dating works for me.[/QUOTE]Paying makes it easier to kick them out for those that like to just have sex for sport.

Also if you take care of yourself girls (working or not) will take you out in public and act accordingly.

Sometimes I enjoy the buildup sometimes I want to get right to it. All depends.

Hello all.

This is my first time to Medellin. I have traveled throughout Asia and the Caribbean. I had the opportunity to do some business consulting in Medellin, so I took it. Nothing like free travel and accommodations to fuel my mongering.

The immigration process was a breeze. When my flight landed there was no other flights in the waiting line. I was through immigration in less than 10 minutes. Passport and MIG check and I was on my way. I cruised the exchange booths and headed to the 2nd floor where it had previously been reported I may find a better rate. Just about everywhere was exchanging at 3900 COP to 1 USD. Exchanged $100 and headed to the Taxis. Took board member recommendations and took the 90.000 COP white taxi. Driver was cool, while he was looking over my destination address I told him it was Energy living, he just handed the address back to me and we were on our way.

The Energy staff seem very easy going and patient. I arrived right before check-in and they stated the room was being cleaned. No problem though, I went down the street to gather provisions. When I got back, the room way ready. The suite has it's flaws, but I also know I'm not staying in some 5 start hotel. And after growing up impoverished I am still amazed by the blessings and good fortune I have encountered. It's a nice apartment. I've seen a few mongers around the building but haven't engaged in conversations yet. I'm not sure if Energy has that kind of vibe like I've read La Mansion has. The openness of mongering I guess?

I was pretty beat, and my job is highly social, and I just didn't feel like talking to anyone or following up on leads. So I cruised Mileroticos and Photoprepagos for a massage. Having an extensive history of mongering in Asia, I am fond of Nuru and Oily massages, did some googling and found Mandalay, it is next to the Hotel De Palmas Del Estadito and appears to be by appointment only. Whatsapp'd them and was on my way. I arrived and was offered a line up, only then to be told they do not have Nuru gel at this time. Which, whatever, I didn't give a shit. Picked a massage / shower combo. Massage was lackluster but was 180.000, the masseuse, Vanessa, attempted to offer me extras, but I was feeling lazy and tired, and was a bit offended by her 300.000 COP up charge on additional services so I politely declined.

I had been laying ground work for a few weeks on SA. I've got a handful of decent prospects, and a few I can tell are going to be flakey. I did not explore Facebook options; I am just too lazy for that, and, I don't really care to support Zuckerberg. Lined up tentative meetings with SA girls knowing at least one will flake, and I can cancel the others when one is conformed. I took it easy on my arrival evening, got a bite in the restaurant downstairs at energy. It was good, nothing mind blowing; the staff were kind and patient with my broken Spanish. Crashed and woke to a beautiful view of the city.

Day 2 - Spent the day doing some sight seeing, and then met up with an SA girl I had been chatting with for a few weeks. She is very pleasant, polite, and not working to be an instagram model / influencer or anything; however, she is a webcam model. I am amazed by the Wedcam mills they have out here, she says there are 15-20 girls working at her location, and the company has multiple locations throughout the city. The girls have regular work shifts, and have token quotas for each shift they have to hit before going home. I am not experienced in the webcam world, so I have no idea what that equates to in USD.

I don't know how to describe it, but I guess I go for work the working girls and non-prose who are a little more humble. I had not sent any money or assistance to any of the women I had been speaking with on SA. She was very impressed by the energy living accommodations, and ecstatic at me slipping her 100.000 COP upon arrival. We had a relaxing time chatting on the balcony with a few drinks. I am not a smut writer, but overall she gave me a strip-tease, some lap dances, phenomenal head, and rode like a champ. She is currently sleeping in the bed while I write this. I think I'll got wake her up for another round. So far, 100.000 COP into this SA girl, will probably offer her meals and give her 150.000 more when I have her leave. I may repeat with this one, who knows, I've got a few more lined up.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2823386]Yep.

How was it before? Going back 6 years, there were guys saying that Medellin was crumbling and gringos were ruining everything by overpaying girls. In 6 years there will be the same complaints. For some the sky is always falling.[/QUOTE]I would say that the price for monthly apartments in Medellin almost trippled in that time in gringo areas especially. Like not even in Bogota other cities in Colombia has the monthly rental got hit as bad as it did in Medellin. It is as if the owner of short term rental make it specifically for gringos only in Medellin and don't even care to cater to local colombians. The rest of cost, food, girls etc hasn't jumped as much relative to inflation but damn the apartments cost, forget about it.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/es-co/noticias/nacional/impresionante-ciudadano-brit%C3%A1nico-fue-acorralado-golpeado-y-robado-por-tres-mujeres-en-el-centro-de-medell%C3%ADn/ar-AA1c5TVP?cvid=bb3d7bef302348bfd838ebe7eb1ae088&ocid=winp2fptaskbarho[/URL]

A leisurely stroll in the park can be seen on the video at the bottom of the article linked above.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2823538]Yeah, I have been to that place, forget the name, not too far from the fish market. If you want to pay 10-15 usd to a dirty working girl for a 15 minute session in a room that looks worse than a jail cell, be my guest & have a great time.[/QUOTE]You don't need to leave Colombia and fly to Panama for this, nor pay such an exorbitant amount of money for a dirty working girl, it's all here as you know.

I guess the place you mention in Panama City is no different than a place in Centro, for locals of course, and I guess also some gringo street rats who live in the City.

Sounds like my kinda place. LOL.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2823661][URL]https://www.msn.com/es-co/noticias/nacional/impresionante-ciudadano-brit%C3%A1nico-fue-acorralado-golpeado-y-robado-por-tres-mujeres-en-el-centro-de-medell%C3%ADn/ar-AA1c5TVP?cvid=bb3d7bef302348bfd838ebe7eb1ae088&ocid=winp2fptaskbarho[/URL]

A leisurely stroll in the park can be seen on the video at the bottom of the article linked above.[/QUOTE]Not surprising he got jumped, walking around with a high end phone, probably a late model I phone.

I have to surmise this was the reason he got jumped.

There's quite a market for used, meaning stolen phones in Centro, and if a thief sells the phone to a vendor, instead of getting maybe 30 K to 50 K for a cheap smart phone, they will get more, hence my reasoning as to why the thieves were so brazen.

I wonder if this guy was a punter, and if so, I don't have much sympathy for him as he should of known better to not be walking around Centro with a high end phone along with being an obvious foreigner with a big bullseye on his back.

It's good the police caught the thieves.

Thanks for the report, useful information.

Got the impression that you didn't negotiate prior to meeting the SB?

No city I have played in has come close to what is available in Medellin. When I visited a cpl of years ago tinder was very fruitful but seeking is generally a level higher from what I'm seeing.

It's proving a bit tricky to differentiate between the pros and non pros. The pros seem to be starting negotiating at upper end levels.

Any insight on how negotiations are on the ground? Would help me set my budget massively.

Look forward to the next installment.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2823638]Hello all.

This is my first time to Medellin. I have traveled throughout Asia and the Caribbean. I had the opportunity to do some business consulting in Medellin, so I took it. Nothing like free travel and accommodations to fuel my mongering.

The immigration process was a breeze. When my flight landed there was no other flights in the waiting line. I was through immigration in less than 10 minutes. Passport and MIG check and I was on my way. I cruised the exchange booths and headed to the 2nd floor where it had previously been reported I may find a better rate. Just about everywhere was exchanging at 3900 COP to 1 USD. Exchanged $100 and headed to the Taxis. Took board member recommendations and took the 90.000 COP white taxi. Driver was cool, while he was looking over my destination address I told him it was Energy living, he just handed the address back to me and we were on our way.

The Energy staff seem very easy going and patient. I arrived right before check-in and they stated the room was being cleaned. No problem though, I went down the street to gather provisions. When I got back, the room way ready. The suite has it's flaws, but I also know I'm not staying in some 5 start hotel. And after growing up impoverished I am still amazed by the blessings and good fortune I have encountered. It's a nice apartment. I've seen a few mongers around the building but haven't engaged in conversations yet. I'm not sure if Energy has that kind of vibe like I've read La Mansion has. The openness of mongering I guess?..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2823661][URL]https://www.msn.com/es-co/noticias/nacional/impresionante-ciudadano-brit%C3%A1nico-fue-acorralado-golpeado-y-robado-por-tres-mujeres-en-el-centro-de-medell%C3%ADn/ar-AA1c5TVP?cvid=bb3d7bef302348bfd838ebe7eb1ae088&ocid=winp2fptaskbarho[/URL]

A leisurely stroll in the park can be seen on the video at the bottom of the article linked above.[/QUOTE]Surprised the police got them. Usually that stuff happens in a flash and they're gone.

It's a good reminder that we must not confuse a visit to Centro with a day at Disneyland. By the look of it the guy was not aware of the risk. I think it is fair to blame part of this on mayor's barrier campaign. The police control access to Parque Lleras and Plaza Botero but the surrounding areas (la 10 and Parque Berrio) have since become concentrated hotbeds for the most desperate mischief makers. Watch your backs.

[QUOTE=Combo;2823693]Surprised the police got them. Usually that stuff happens in a flash and they're gone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2823661][URL]https://www.msn.com/es-co/noticias/nacional/impresionante-ciudadano-brit%C3%A1nico-fue-acorralado-golpeado-y-robado-por-tres-mujeres-en-el-centro-de-medell%C3%ADn/ar-AA1c5TVP?cvid=bb3d7bef302348bfd838ebe7eb1ae088&ocid=winp2fptaskbarho[/URL]

A leisurely stroll in the park can be seen on the video at the bottom of the article linked above.[/QUOTE]Any idea where that was exactly? That building on the right looks somewhat familiar. Looks like bunch of SWs in the area too.

The guy seems to be walking around recording from the hip, which was what got the girls attention in the first place (or just made them angry). Usually it's a quick snatch and run, not starting the conversation and then beating.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbdfbjcJ5Ls&t=14s[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shemp;2823538]Yeah, I have been to that place, forget the name, not too far from the fish market. If you want to pay 10-15 usd to a dirty working girl for a 15 minute session in a room that looks worse than a jail cell, be my guest & have a great time.[/QUOTE]I've never been in a prison cell apart from Nelson Mandela's, but I know I would rather spend 15 minutes there than an hour. All girls I saw there were clean and smelled very nice - no sign of fish. And the bar was fun to hang out in, to meet girls of several nations.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2823691]I wonder if this guy was a punter, and if so, I don't have much sympathy for him [/QUOTE]Punter or even worse -- a youtuber.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2823704]Any idea where that was exactly? ...[/QUOTE]That looks like the walkway by the church. The exact location is the casino corner. The video cut away to the yellow restaurant at the backside of the church at the end.

The club / Bar you are referring to is Bocatorena. I wrote a report on it in March, 2022. It is definitely low down and dirty, and you certainly want to take a shower after you are finished. But the variety and quality of the girls for $15 was just great, if that is you type of thing. And due to the location, it is very safe, always cops visible when you step out. I still have fond memories of some of my sessions.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2823493]Theres a club / bar down by the entrance to the old town, USD 10-15 per time. Girls from all over central America and Colombia / Vnzla. Its only expensive is you frequent the tourist places.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YankeeFan;2823749]The club / Bar you are referring to is Bocatorena. I wrote a report on it in March, 2022.[/QUOTE]Thats the one. I think I also wrote a review on it a few years ago in the panama section.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2823695]It's a good reminder that we must not confuse a visit to Centro with a day at Disneyland. [/QUOTE]Well, for the few of us who have been around awhile dating back around seven years ago, I felt as though Centro at that time was a private playground and almost like a visit to either a candy or ice cream shop at times, trying to decide who I was going to ride, no different than Disneyland in the sense where people come for the rides.

Very different nowadays though.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2823492]Oh I didn't see who the original poster was. Yea MB1 you should go into Venezuela bro. I heard the SA girls there are all looking for Sugars. Be sure to report back here how Venezuela treats you bro.[/QUOTE]The Venezuelans would roll out the red carpet for ole MB!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2823499]I'm organising a soup kitchen party this weekend. I know there will be plenty of humble, honest girls coming. And no doubt happy to meet me. And I know none would even dream of charging 300.000.[/QUOTE]This was actually one of the most pleasurable days I have had in Colombia.

Step 1 - find a bar.
Step 2 - brefiend the owner.
Step 3 - choose a date to do it.
Step 4 - find a recipe (avoid lobster)
Step 5 - go shopping in Minorista or someplace similar. Buy veggies, comdimentos, plastic spoons, card bowls, coal.
Step 6 - find a girl or two to help you.

I spent about COP 140.000 and served 70 portions. Its a great way to meet and befriend lots of locals. Male and female. The positive feeling will llast much longer than nearly every orgasm. Plus I got laid anyway. And there were lots of grateful folks in the neighbourhood that needed the help. I recommend to anyone that wants to discover Colombia.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2823805]This was actually one of the most pleasurable days I have had in Colombia.

Step 1 - find a bar.
Step 2 - brefiend the owner.
Step 3 - choose a date to do it.
Step 4 - find a recipe (avoid lobster)
Step 5 - go shopping in Minorista or someplace similar. Buy veggies, comdimentos, plastic spoons, card bowls, coal.
Step 6 - find a girl or two to help you.

I spent about COP 140.000 and served 70 portions. Its a great way to meet and befriend lots of locals. Male and female. The positive feeling will llast much longer than nearly every orgasm. Plus I got laid anyway. And there were lots of grateful folks in the neighbourhood that needed the help. I recommend to anyone that wants to discover Colombia.[/QUOTE]What a great thing that you did. I'm sure you are feeling great and the people you fed are very grateful and content, panza llena corazón contento. Best 140 K that you ever spent! Amazing that you were able to get 70 portions. Good planning.

The streets are talking about this incident. According to very reliable sources, the three Venezuelans received sentences of 8 months each. The images are a little blurry but I thought I recognized two of them and it turns out I was right. This took place three nights ago on the corner behind the Veracruz church outside the yellow bakery (visible in the video) where the group of girls Colombian rats call "Lolitas" hang out. My source wasn't sure about the time of night it took place but she remembers it was well after dark.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2823661][URL]https://www.msn.com/es-co/noticias/nacional/impresionante-ciudadano-brit%C3%A1nico-fue-acorralado-golpeado-y-robado-por-tres-mujeres-en-el-centro-de-medell%C3%ADn/ar-AA1c5TVP?cvid=bb3d7bef302348bfd838ebe7eb1ae088&ocid=winp2fptaskbarho[/URL]

A leisurely stroll in the park can be seen on the video at the bottom of the article linked above.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shemp;2823538]Yeah, I have been to that place, forget the name, not too far from the fish market. If you want to pay 10-15 usd to a dirty working girl for a 15 minute session in a room that looks worse than a jail cell, be my guest & have a great time.[/QUOTE]It is called La Mayor. I have not been there in about 18 years. That was before the remodeled the surrounding area. Good to see the prices are the same though. So much for the working girl inflation that everybody talks about.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2823744]That looks like the walkway by the church. The exact location is the casino corner. The video cut away to the yellow restaurant at the backside of the church at the end.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's it!

I just watched the video of the guy being robbed in el centro. I was always under the impression that the area was dead at night and there were no sw at night. From the looks of the video, it looks as if the robbery occurred at night. Can someone confirm that it does look that lively on a daily basis at night or was that a weekend?

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2823661][URL]https://www.msn.com/es-co/noticias/nacional/impresionante-ciudadano-brit%C3%A1nico-fue-acorralado-golpeado-y-robado-por-tres-mujeres-en-el-centro-de-medell%C3%ADn/ar-AA1c5TVP?cvid=bb3d7bef302348bfd838ebe7eb1ae088&ocid=winp2fptaskbarho[/URL]

A leisurely stroll in the park can be seen on the video at the bottom of the article linked above.[/QUOTE]He probably could have negotiated with them. He could have started the covo with "how would you like to earn that phone" Of course that would depend on how high end the phone was and how much BBFS the girls would provide. I doubt the girls were gusto quality though, but I'm sure it beats serving 8 months in a Colombia prison.

[QUOTE=DeanDone85;2823692] Got the impression that you didn't negotiate prior to meeting the SB? [/QUOTE]Not as of now. I was direct in what I was willing to offer for time spent based on advice given on this forum, generally I start with 200.000. The SA girl that I spent time with for the whole day and until dawn left with 200.000 COP and a sweater I bought her at the mall because she was cold. So, food, sweater, beverages, I was about 350.000.

Some SA women are very direct and will toss out anywhere from 300.000-600.000, others were very excited at my proposition of 200.000. SA is a mixed bag. There are women from every estrato system on it. Medellin Guru has a good article for understanding the history of the estrato system if you haven't looked into it.

[QUOTE=RainCity206;2823871]I just watched the video of the guy being robbed in el centro. I was always under the impression that the area was dead at night and there were no sw at night. From the looks of the video, it looks as if the robbery occurred at night. Can someone confirm that it does look that lively on a daily basis at night or was that a weekend?[/QUOTE]It is lively until around 8 pm then it dies down.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2823907]He probably could have negotiated with them. He could have started the covo with "how would you like to earn that phone" Of course that would depend on how high end the phone was and how much BBFS the girls would provide. I doubt the girls were gusto quality though, but I'm sure it beats serving 8 months in a Colombia prison.[/QUOTE]I would bet this guy was a YouTuber or he recorded them and after they let it be known they didn't want to be recorded. They were probably telling him to delete it and it escalated to them taking the phone. I'm not saying the girls are right but this is not a robbery robbery.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2823948]Not as of now. I was direct in what I was willing to offer for time spent based on advice given on this forum, generally I start with 200.000. The SA girl that I spent time with for the whole day and until dawn left with 200.000 COP and a sweater I bought her at the mall because she was cold. So, food, sweater, beverages, I was about 350.000.

Some SA women are very direct and will toss out anywhere from 300.000-600.000, others were very excited at my proposition of 200.000. SA is a mixed bag. There are women from every estrato system on it. Medellin Guru has a good article for understanding the history of the estrato system if you haven't looked into it.[/QUOTE]200 k cop is very little. I wish all SA girls were excited about 200 k, but in reality any decent looking girl, 7/10 and above would charge you much more simply because she knows she can. You would simply get outbid by other mongers. The hottest girls get plenty of offers and get to choose the ones that work best for them on that particular day or night. BTW, food / drinks / ubers are all extra expenses, you don't agree on 300 k and then deduct whatever you spent on food, etc, this is not how it normally works. Gifts could be deducted, but not always, a girl still expects you to pay whatever amount you agreed on, and gifts are considered extra, unless you agree prior that you would not give her cash, but rather buy her a gift. When I read reports about SA girls accepting very little amounts (relative to a going rate), I get skeptical. Either she is below average looking, which is ALMOST ALWAYS the case, or brand new to this (and I'm talking days, not weeks / months!) or you are prince charming in her eyes, which is unrealistic, considering the age gap.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2823948]Not as of now. I was direct in what I was willing to offer for time spent based on advice given on this forum, generally I start with 200.000. The SA girl that I spent time with for the whole day and until dawn left with 200.000 COP and a sweater I bought her at the mall because she was cold. So, food, sweater, beverages, I was about 350.000.

Some SA women are very direct and will toss out anywhere from 300.000-600.000, others were very excited at my proposition of 200.000. SA is a mixed bag. There are women from every estrato system on it. Medellin Guru has a good article for understanding the history of the estrato system if you haven't looked into it.[/QUOTE]Has she continued to engage you afterwards? I bet she expected much more than 200 k, ESPECIALLY for all night. Good on you though LOL.

In my experience most are now looking for 400 k+, at least the more attractive ones that I reach out to. Some start even higher. The upside is that the experience is more often GFE, less mechanical and time watching.

[QUOTE=NycNative1;2823985]I would bet this guy was a YouTuber or he recorded them and after they let it be known they didn't want to be recorded. They were probably telling him to delete it and it escalated to them taking the phone. I'm not saying the girls are right but this is not a robbery robbery.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Could have been resolved with a simple, "perdon, dejame borrarlo". Or not recording so obviously while walking around.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823992]200 k cop is very little. I wish all SA girls were excited about 200 k, but in reality any decent looking girl, 7/10 and above would charge you much more simply because she knows she can. You would simply get outbid by other mongers. The hottest girls get plenty of offers and get to choose the ones that work best for them on that particular day or night. BTW, food / drinks / ubers are all extra expenses, you don't agree on 300 k and then deduct whatever you spent on food, etc, this is not how it normally works. Gifts could be deducted, but not always, a girl still expects you to pay whatever amount you agreed on, and gifts are considered extra, unless you agree prior that you would not give her cash, but rather buy her a gift. When I read reports about SA girls accepting very little amounts (relative to a going rate), I get skeptical. Either she is below average looking, which is ALMOST ALWAYS the case, or brand new to this (and I'm talking days, not weeks / months!) or you are prince charming in her eyes, which is unrealistic, considering the age gap.[/QUOTE]I agree that I don't know any young attractive girls that would be excited over 200 mil for long time. That may have been the case years ago but I think it is the reverse now and most young attractive girls would laugh at that offer or treat it as an opening bid. It may be difference for girls that are late 20's and older. 200 mil is an acceptable opening offer for short time if you also pay for transport. At least that is my experience. I also agree that if you offer a certain amount of money, you don't deduct expenses for food or gifts. That would be like spending her money for her.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823992]200 k cop is very little. I wish all SA girls were excited about 200 k, but in reality any decent looking girl, 7/10 and above would charge you much more simply because she knows she can.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's a starting point. There is always room for negotiations.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2823992] Either she is below average looking, which is ALMOST ALWAYS the case, or brand new to this (and I'm talking days, not weeks / months!) or you are prince charming in her eyes, which is unrealistic, considering the age gap.[/QUOTE]You are certainly making a lof of presumptions about me, so, think what you will. I think she is very pretty, very kind, pleasant to be around, very good conversations. I'm also more interested in someone with a good personality than an instagram model who just uses mass filters in their photos; but, to each their own.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2823993]Has she continued to engage you afterwards? I bet she expected much more than 200 k, ESPECIALLY for all night. Good on you though LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, we have plans for more time together.

[QUOTE=Almond812;2824012]I think she is very pretty, very kind, pleasant to be around, very good conversations. I'm also more interested in someone with a good personality than an instagram model who just uses mass filters in their photos; but, to each their own.[/QUOTE]That explains everything, LOL.

Who doesn't like girls with great personalities? I do! But if she doesn't meet my minimum requirements in the looks department, I'm out, no matter what she charges or how sweet she is. I like girls who are both fun and hot. I agree with Chicago, those that I pick start at 400-500 k minimum. I would be happy to pay less, but there is nothing I can do, it's a simple supply and demand.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2823811]The streets are talking about this incident. According to very reliable sources, the three Venezuelans received sentences of 8 months each. The images are a little blurry but I thought I recognized two of them and it turns out I was right. This took place three nights ago on the corner behind the Veracruz church outside the yellow bakery (visible in the video) where the group of girls Colombian rats call "Lolitas" hang out. My source wasn't sure about the time of night it took place but she remembers it was well after dark.[/QUOTE]So the Venezuelans were basically just hauled off to prison with eight month sentences within three days of being caught? Was a judge involved with this, as it seems awfully quick, but maybe that's how it works here and perhaps the Venezuelans being foreigners don't have the same rights as Colombians here.

As in life you get what you pay for. And unless you're grandfathered in 2-300 mil ain't getting it done unless she is very new to the biz or don't know better.

Most girls know their worth and know what other girls are making.

Even girls I don't consider hot are being flown out to Ctg or Cancun.

But everyone has their own way of doing things.

The great thing about medellin and all of Colombia is.

A. You'll find girls at all price points.

B. You'll get whatever experience you want with that girl.

C. It'll still be cheaper than the US or Europe.

But I think this board should def be used for useful info.

Can't stand guys who come on here saying 200 mil will get you BBFS from a 10. And insult others for paying more.

Here's what I can tell you for sure.

Girls don't respect cheapies. They call them "tácanos ".

They'll list you in that group if you haggle too much.

But there is a big difference in overpaying and being cheap.

Example. Going to centro and paying 200 mil for a quickie is overpaying but refusing a date based on 20 mil taxi ride is being cheap.

Colombia is what you make of it. To me tho lately it seems like medellin simply isn't worth it anymore.

Girls are asking for far more than their worth.

I don't mind the price hike if they're all dimes and give me pse. But it's the same damn girls I banged for much less trying to act like hot shit cause of one boob job or lipo.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824061]As in life you get what you pay for. And unless you're grandfathered in 2-300 mil ain't getting it done unless she is very new to the biz or don't know better.

Most girls know their worth and know what other girls are making.

Even girls I don't consider hot are being flown out to Ctg or Cancun.

But everyone has their own way of doing things.

The great thing about medellin and all of Colombia is.

A. You'll find girls at all price points.

B. You'll get whatever experience you want with that girl.

C. It'll still be cheaper than the US or Europe.

But I think this board should def be used for useful info.

Can't stand guys who come on here saying 200 mil will get you BBFS from a 10. And insult others for paying more.

Here's what I can tell you for sure.

Girls don't respect cheapies. They call them "tcanos ".

They'll list you in that group if you haggle too much.

But there is a big difference in overpaying and being cheap.

Example. Going to centro and paying 200 mil for a quickie is overpaying but refusing a date based on 20 mil taxi ride is being cheap.

Colombia is what you make of it. To me tho lately it seems like medellin simply isn't worth it anymore.

Girls are asking for far more than their worth.

I don't mind the price hike if they're all dimes and give me pse. But it's the same damn girls I banged for much less trying to act like hot shit cause of one boob job or lipo.[/QUOTE]I think most of the insulting is directed at the guys who pay less. Either they're cheapskates or they are boning ugly women. I'm way pickier than the average monger and I've never paid close to what some here report. I have absolutely no interest in BBFS. As far as bargaining, when I find one I like, I generally tell them what I'll pay and that's that. If they don't agree I walk away and look for someone else.

Two things. I speak Spanish and I try to meet girls in person and chat with them a bit before deciding. If you're just cold-calling a girl on social media, the number is almost all that matters. Also the girl that shows up at your door might not be as hot as the photos.

[QUOTE=Combo;2824066]I think most of the insulting is directed at the guys who pay less. Either they're cheapskates or they are boning ugly women. I'm way pickier than the average monger and I've never paid close to what some here report. I have absolutely no interest in BBFS. As far as bargaining, when I find one I like, I generally tell them what I'll pay and that's that. If they don't agree I walk away and look for someone else.

Two things. I speak Spanish and I try to meet girls in person and chat with them a bit before deciding. If you're just cold-calling a girl on social media, the number is almost all that matters. Also the girl that shows up at your door might not be as hot as the photos.[/QUOTE]Speaking the language and I mean speaking it to the point where you don't need google translate makes a huge difference.

I just spent 7 days in Bogota this past trip and all 7 sessions were incredible.

I didn't bang any 9's but all within the 6-8 range. Got everything I wanted and more.

7 CIM finishes very willingly some even begging. Had one girl need to pee but didn't want to let go of my sick from her mouth so she took me with her to pee while she was stuck sucking me. LOL.

Connection is key. Especially if you're a gringo.

[QUOTE=NycNative1;2823985]I would bet this guy was a YouTuber or he recorded them and after they let it be known they didn't want to be recorded. They were probably telling him to delete it and it escalated to them taking the phone. I'm not saying the girls are right but this is not a robbery robbery.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% he already has the phone out and holding it like he's recording. The girls most likely just wanted him to delete it and he said no or didn't understand them and that led to them grabbing his phone.

If it had been a normal robbery there would have been no talking they would have snatched it and ran. So with that being said he himself is responsible for what happened to him.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824070]Speaking the language and I mean speaking it to the point where you don't need google translate makes a huge difference.

I just spent 7 days in Bogota this past trip and all 7 sessions were incredible.

I didn't bang any 9's but all within the 6-8 range. Got everything I wanted and more.

7 CIM finishes very willingly some even begging. Had one girl need to pee but didn't want to let go of my sick from her mouth so she took me with her to pee while she was stuck sucking me. LOL.

Connection is key. Especially if you're a gringo.[/QUOTE]Too wild. She had to keep it in her mouth while peeing. You lucky dude to have found such a CSkr! I've had many in my day but nothing like that! What a fckng experience and memory! I speak on an intermediate level. The closest I got to that was a gal in CR followed me into the bathroom when I went to piss and wanted to drink from my fountain. I actually had to push her off twice! And she looked like the girl next door. Nice gal too.

Truth is stranger than fiction is one of my favorite sayings. You just can't make this stuff up.

[QUOTE=NycNative1;2823985]I would bet this guy was a YouTuber or he recorded them and after they let it be known they didn't want to be recorded. They were probably telling him to delete it and it escalated to them taking the phone. I'm not saying the girls are right but this is not a robbery robbery.[/QUOTE]Agree. Hope it happens to all Youtubers taping the girls and us.

Also, reality check. The 8 months is more of a public relations gimmick showing they are tough on crime and will save all the foreigners. High probability the girls will be released in less than one months time.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2823982]It is lively until around 8 pm then it dies down.[/QUOTE]Having been to Colombia many many times in over 10 years the biggest mistake you can make is believing there is safety in numbers. Historically, Colombians never get involved in a mugging or robbery.

Of course remote areas and night time will provide more opportunity for the criminals but if you think your safe because there are people around, you're kidding yourself.

They had their court appearance. In one of the videos you can see the victim return to the scene of the crime with the police to identify the three girls. His denuncia, the phone being found on one of the girls and the video surveillance was enough to seal the deal. They will be back in the plaza just after next Christmas.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2824057]So the Venezuelans were basically just hauled off to prison with eight month sentences within three days of being caught? Was a judge involved with this, as it seems awfully quick, but maybe that's how it works here and perhaps the Venezuelans being foreigners don't have the same rights as Colombians here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824038]That explains everything, LOL.[/QUOTE]Your attempts to elicit a negative response is noted. Stay safe, be well.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824061]As in life you get what you pay for. And unless you're grandfathered in 2-300 mil ain't getting it done unless she is very new to the biz or don't know better. Most girls know their worth and know what other girls are making.[/QUOTE]Why is this still being said even after the brother posted the report of paying 1 million pesos for a lemon? It ain't so much her worth as it is the horniness of the rich gringo. Because once again, she ain't worth that much to Colombian men.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2824108]Having been to Colombia many many times in over 10 years the biggest mistake you can make is believing there is safety in numbers. Historically, Colombians never get involved in a mugging or robbery.

Of course remote areas and night time will provide more opportunity for the criminals but if you think your safe because there are people around, you're kidding yourself.[/QUOTE]I never said anything about safety in numbers or being safer because other people are around. The original poster asked if the botero / veracruz area was lively at night time and said he was under the impression that it was dead at night. I simply replied that it is lively until around 8 pm.

I've been coming to Colombia since 2018 bogotá (santa fe) first and medellin since 2020 and I am well aware of how things operate here, hell I live here in a barrio and have many friends who are locals.

Whether or not any place is safe during the day or night is relative to many different factors depending on how you dress, how you carry yourself, your ability to communicate, whether you are recording people in a red light district with a late model Iphone or flashing your "coin" around, these are all factors that will determine your level of safety.

Agn to answer the OP's question the area there along cra 53 and calle 51 remains lively until around 8 pm or so, the sun sets around 6 pm. Sunday is the slowest day of the week.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824038]That explains everything, LOL.

Who doesn't like girls with great personalities? I do! But if she doesn't meet my minimum requirements in the looks department, I'm out, no matter what she charges or how sweet she is. I like girls who are both fun and hot. I agree with Chicago, those that I pick start at 400-500 k minimum. I would be happy to pay less, but there is nothing I can do, it's a simple supply and demand.[/QUOTE]It's more like they know you're a gringo who can't speak Spanish and they charge your 3 times the local going rate. I assure you there are no colombianos paying them a half of their monthly salary per session. But hey keep paying what you pay I'm sure they love you (or your wallet atleast).

So when are you heading to Venezuela Ole MB?

The exchange rate for the Colombian Peso to USD has dropped to below 4300 COP.

Down more than 700 COP from it's highest exchange rate within the last six months.

Almost seems like it's in a free fall as I haven't seen it drop so much in several years without recovering and going to new highs.

Hopefully things will turn around.

Just got back from my 5th and probably final trip to Medellin. I am mostly a Facebook hunter, have had this account since 2017 with a 1 k+ girls but not sure how many of those are still active. My biggest requirement is BBFS and Facebook girls tend to be the most agreeable to that requirement as compared to other venues like strip clubs and Casas. I know it is available at Centro. I like Facebook due to its easy delivery system. Going to break this down into three sections: Availability, Price, and Service.

Availability: The amount of girls that are available to fuck at my requirements has gone down drastically. My first trip essentially every girl atleast responded to my Facebook messages and from that 90% agreed to my offer. This was the case during my last trip in early 2021 as well. I had the pick of the litter. This trip I was lucky to get a response from even girls I had seen before. Lots of read messages and ignores or just ghosting after making plans. Some girls straight up laughed at my offer that they would have jumped on a couple years ago and ignored me. I had difficulty fulfilling my 2 girl a day qouta at first.

Price: It has gone up drastically. My offer used to be "150 mil mas taxi por dos leches, sin condóand" and I had a pretty decent acceptance rating for it even up to 2021. The average rate was 3,300 cop per usd during that time and with an atmost cost of 200 mil total per session I was paying $60 for a couple hours of fun which was doable for me. This trip I had trouble getting girls to come for 250 mil mas taxi and one leche. And these were the average girls. The girls I usually went with were 300-400+. So I was paying $75 for 1 leche (around 30 minutes if I push it) with an average girl compared to $60 for two leche (1-2 hours) with a very attractive girl 2 years ago. The BBFS acceptance was also way down. The cost for my past sessions would probably cost $100 today.

Service: This is what has soured my desire to go back the most. Of the 18 ish girls I saw 50% were starfishes. That never used to be the case. They were usually pretty into it. Less kissing, less affection, more businesslike. It ruined it a bit for me. More flakiness. The girls became more brazen opening the fridge, eating my food without asking me. Bigger egos and more arrogance.

The general vibe of the city has changed, there are so many tourist now, both mongers and normal ones. The immigration line to enter the country was literally 2 hours long. Airbnbs have more rules, are more expensive. Food is more expensive. People are less friendly from my personal experience.

In general I don't think it's worth coming here for me anymore. But I'm not sure where else to go. I have a job and 15 days pto per year so it's not like I can go visit less established scenes to discover them for myself. But on the other hand if a place becomes known it usually starts to suck.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2824245]......Price: It has gone up drastically.......Service: This is what has soured my desire to go back the most. Of the 18 ish girls I saw 50% were starfishes. That never used to be the case. They were usually pretty into it. Less kissing, less affection, more businesslike. It ruined it a bit for me. More flakiness. The girls became more brazen opening the fridge, eating my food without asking me. Bigger egos and more arrogance.

The general vibe of the city has changed, there are so many tourist now, both mongers and normal ones. The immigration line to enter the country was literally 2 hours long. Airbnbs have more rules, are more expensive. Food is more expensive. People are less friendly from my personal experience........[/QUOTE]The Dominican Republic.

Panama.

Costa Rica.

Colombia?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2824260]The Dominican Republic.

Panama.

Costa Rica.

Colombia?[/QUOTE]Guatemala.

Haiti.

Mozambique.

Kenya.

Ethiopia.

Uganda.

Pitcairn.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2824296]Guatemala.

Haiti.

Mozambique.

Kenya.

Ethiopia.

Uganda.

Pitcairn.[/QUOTE]Mexico City.

Tijuana.

Puebla.

The girls will miss you.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2824245]Just got back from my 5th and probably final trip to Medellin. I am mostly a Facebook hunter, have had this account since 2017 with a 1 k+ girls but not sure how many of those are still active. My biggest requirement is BBFS and Facebook girls tend to be the most agreeable to that requirement as compared to other venues like strip clubs and Casas. I know it is available at Centro. I like Facebook due to its easy delivery system. Going to break this down into three sections: Availability, Price, and Service.

Availability: The amount of girls that are available to fuck at my requirements has gone down drastically. My first trip essentially every girl atleast responded to my Facebook messages and from that 90% agreed to my offer. This was the case during my last trip in early 2021 as well. I had the pick of the litter. This trip I was lucky to get a response from even girls I had seen before. Lots of read messages and ignores or just ghosting after making plans. Some girls straight up laughed at my offer that they would have jumped on a couple years ago and ignored me. I had difficulty fulfilling my 2 girl a day qouta at first..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2824194]It's more like they know you're a gringo who can't speak Spanish and they charge your 3 times the local going rate. I assure you there are no colombianos paying them a half of their monthly salary per session. But hey keep paying what you pay I'm sure they love you (or your wallet atleast).

So when are you heading to Venezuela Ole MB?[/QUOTE]What I pay should be none of your business. What you pay and who you fuck is not my business either. Stay in your lane, and I will stay in mine. We fuck different women and thank god our paths will never cross. What puzzles me is that centro rats like yourself tend to believe they are fucking beauty queens for cheap, accusing other members of overpaying, when in reality, they get what they pay for. Your recent post about the "beautiful" diamond in the rough proves that.

Or try something other than facebook.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2824296]Guatemala.

Haiti.

Mozambique.

Kenya.

Ethiopia.

Uganda.

Pitcairn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2824245]Just got back from my 5th and probably final trip to Medellin. I am mostly a Facebook hunter, have had this account since 2017 with a 1 k+ girls but not sure how many of those are still active. My biggest requirement is BBFS and Facebook girls tend to be the most agreeable to that requirement as compared to other venues like strip clubs and Casas. I know it is available at Centro. I like Facebook due to its easy delivery system. Going to break this down into three sections: Availability, Price, and Service.

Availability: The amount of girls that are available to fuck at my requirements has gone down drastically. My first trip essentially every girl atleast responded to my Facebook messages and from that 90% agreed to my offer. This was the case during my last trip in early 2021 as well. I had the pick of the litter. This trip I was lucky to get a response from even girls I had seen before. Lots of read messages and ignores or just ghosting after making plans. Some girls straight up laughed at my offer that they would have jumped on a couple years ago and ignored me. I had difficulty fulfilling my 2 girl a day qouta at first.

Price: It has gone up drastically. My offer used to be "150 mil mas taxi por dos leches, sin condand" and I had a pretty decent acceptance rating for it even up to 2021. The average rate was 3,300 cop per usd during that time and with an atmost cost of 200 mil total per session I was paying $60 for a couple hours of fun which was doable for me. This trip I had trouble getting girls to come for 250 mil mas taxi and one leche. And these were the average girls. The girls I usually went with were 300-400+. So I was paying $75 for 1 leche (around 30 minutes if I push it) with an average girl compared to $60 for two leche (1-2 hours) with a very attractive girl 2 years ago. The BBFS acceptance was also way down. The cost for my past sessions would probably cost $100 today.

Service: This is what has soured my desire to go back the most. Of the 18 ish girls I saw 50% were starfishes. That never used to be the case. They were usually pretty into it. Less kissing, less affection, more businesslike. It ruined it a bit for me. More flakiness. The girls became more brazen opening the fridge, eating my food without asking me. Bigger egos and more arrogance.

The general vibe of the city has changed, there are so many tourist now, both mongers and normal ones. The immigration line to enter the country was literally 2 hours long. Airbnbs have more rules, are more expensive. Food is more expensive. People are less friendly from my personal experience.

In general I don't think it's worth coming here for me anymore. But I'm not sure where else to go. I have a job and 15 days pto per year so it's not like I can go visit less established scenes to discover them for myself. But on the other hand if a place becomes known it usually starts to suck.[/QUOTE]I had a post a while back about all the exact problems I'm being told in medellin.

More $$ less service. Airbnb 3 x the price. Simply not worth it anymore.

Hi all,

I want to make a trip to Medellin. I will be on a solo travel, I only speak English.

I am looking at places like the following:

1. I can definitely hunt beautiful girls here, no doubt.

2. The places are open also during day time. So I do not have to wait until the night.

3. Due to safety concerns, I do not want to play with an escort in my hotel room.

Currently, I only have two candidates, Isla La, and Face 2. However, they open late (in night), also I am on solo travel and do like sitting in a noisy disco.

In short, could you suggest some places meeting my needs or at least close to my needs? In general, I am looking for "safe and daytime-operated" FKK-like places in Medellin.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2824245]Just got back from my 5th and probably final trip to Medellin. I am mostly a Facebook hunter, have had this account since 2017 with a 1 k+ girls but not sure how many of those are still active. My biggest requirement is BBFS and Facebook girls tend to be the most agreeable to that requirement as compared to other venues like strip clubs and Casas. I know it is available at Centro. I like Facebook due to its easy delivery system. Going to break this down into three sections: Availability, Price, and Service.

Availability: The amount of girls that are available to fuck at my requirements has gone down drastically. My first trip essentially every girl atleast responded to my Facebook messages and from that 90% agreed to my offer. This was the case during my last trip in early 2021 as well. I had the pick of the litter. This trip I was lucky to get a response from even girls I had seen before. Lots of read messages and ignores or just ghosting after making plans. Some girls straight up laughed at my offer that they would have jumped on a couple years ago and ignored me. I had difficulty fulfilling my 2 girl a day qouta at first..[/QUOTE]Colombia and especially Medellin has become mainstream like it or not. The FB scene has definitely changed from my first trip in 2019. Back then you could get a 8-10 150-200 mill bbj and CIM. I've never been interested in BBFS unless it's a long term GF situation. Now the avg price is 300 mil with no extras but I've built up a cache of girls and good references over the years so I have a grandfathered price with a lot of girls. Medellin has simply become more expensive and with the exchange rate tanking it will just get more expensive. I've transitioned from sportfucking to having a solid roster of 4 girls who know what I like and are always up for a good time. These girls have serious options with well moneyed mongers or younger gringos looking for serious relationships. One of my fav girls let me browse her tinder and she has hundreds of matches of guys wanting to meet. It's at the point where she is selective she will only see gringos under a certain age and whom she views as attractive. Another girl was flown to Cancun then Paris by a gringo. She's a pretty popular FB girl and has a firm starting price of 120 $ (200 mil in 2020 lmao). Long story short the game has changed but new girls are always coming in the scene and some of the older ones can no longer demand high prices.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2823805]This was actually one of the most pleasurable days I have had in Colombia.

Step 1 - find a bar.
Step 2 - brefiend the owner.
Step 3 - choose a date to do it.
Step 4 - find a recipe (avoid lobster)
Step 5 - go shopping in Minorista or someplace similar. Buy veggies, comdimentos, plastic spoons, card bowls, coal.
Step 6 - find a girl or two to help you.

I spent about COP 140.000 and served 70 portions. Its a great way to meet and befriend lots of locals. Male and female. The positive feeling will llast much longer than nearly every orgasm. Plus I got laid anyway. And there were lots of grateful folks in the neighbourhood that needed the help. I recommend to anyone that wants to discover Colombia.[/QUOTE]Ditto what Chucholoco said, it's really good of you to do that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824140]Why is this still being said even after the brother posted the report of paying 1 million pesos for a lemon? It ain't so much her worth as it is the horniness of the rich gringo. Because once again, she ain't worth that much to Colombian men.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind, that 1 million pesos (200-250 USD) to a wealthy gringo is nothing. 500 k pesos, 1 million pesos, 2 million pesos. Doesn't matter, it won't even put a tiny dent in his budget. What she is worth to Colombian men, doesn't matter either, because a rich gringo is not Colombian and doesn't really compete with Colombian guys in the market that is gringo oriented. He competes with other gringos / foreigners, and maybe a few rich locals. Another side of the coin is that the best talent, the best looking girls out there, crème de la crème, so to speak, go where they money is. This is why El Centro, for example, is not where you find them.

Rich arabs in Dubai pay thousands of dollars to hookers, do you think they are stupid? Do you think they overpay?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824347]Keep in mind, that 1 million pesos (200-250 USD) to a wealthy gringo is nothing. 500 k pesos, 1 million pesos, 2 million pesos. Doesn't matter, it won't even put a tiny dent in his budget. What she is worth to Colombian men, doesn't matter either, because a rich gringo is not Colombian and doesn't really compete with Colombian guys in the market that is gringo oriented. He competes with other gringos / foreigners, and maybe a few rich locals. Another side of the coin is that the best talent, the best looking girls out there, crme de la crme, so to speak, go where they money is. This is why El Centro, for example, is not where you find them.

Rich arabs in Dubai pay thousands of dollars to hookers, do you think they are stupid? Do you think they overpay? Do you think they care about what you or Gabacho think? LOL.[/QUOTE]The people involved in the drug trade in Colombia are also doing very well and they probably have the best girls in Colombia. I doubt that they care whether it is 1 million pesos or 2 million pesos if they want a party with the hottest girls to entertain their friends. The drug cartels in Mexico are also said to import hot girls from Colombia for entertainment purposes. Gringos are not the only ones with money in Colombia.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2824318]Colombia and especially Medellin has become mainstream like it or not. The FB scene has definitely changed from my first trip in 2019. Back then you could get a 8-10 150-200 mill bbj and CIM. I've never been interested in BBFS unless it's a long term GF situation. Now the avg price is 300 mil with no extras but I've built up a cache of girls and good references over the years so I have a grandfathered price with a lot of girls. Medellin has simply become more expensive and with the exchange rate tanking it will just get more expensive. I've transitioned from sportfucking to having a solid roster of 4 girls who know what I like and are always up for a good time. These girls have serious options with well moneyed mongers or younger gringos looking for serious relationships. One of my fav girls let me browse her tinder and she has hundreds of matches of guys wanting to meet. It's at the point where she is selective she will only see gringos under a certain age and whom she views as attractive. Another girl was flown to Cancun then Paris by a gringo. She's a pretty popular FB girl and has a firm starting price of 120 $ (200 mil in 2020 lmao). Long story short the game has changed but new girls are always coming in the scene and some of the older ones can no longer demand high prices.[/QUOTE]Another thing that's not talked about is the top notch girls rarely work in medellin anymore. They choose to fly overseas whether a client flies them out or go with their gfs to work.

Realistically speaking if you put the work in, you can get what you want.

But the reality of it is these girls are not service oriented anymore.

Also what's actually available in medellin is not what it once was quality wise.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824306]I had a post a while back about all the exact problems I'm being told in medellin.

More $$ less service. Airbnb 3 x the price. Simply not worth it anymore.[/QUOTE]Nice theme. Everything goes to h. Anyway, Airbnbs were very similar prices to the past in the units I stayed in recently. Much less if you consider exchange rate. I don't know where you get that they are 3 times the cost now.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2824140]Why is this still being said even after the brother posted the report of paying 1 million pesos for a lemon? It ain't so much her worth as it is the horniness of the rich gringo. Because once again, she ain't worth that much to Colombian men.[/QUOTE]One thing you never mention is this. Girls who sell their bodies to Colombian men are not the girls that I usually target. If you know the Colombian culture at all, then you'll know the models and universally "hot" girls will still try to keep an upstanding rep in their community. They want to keep what they do discreet.

They target one market only because they know they won't have problems finding men that will pay their prices or what they think they're worth.

It's not that they're not worth that to Colombian men but it's that they not available to Colombian men.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2824367]Nice theme. Everything goes to h. Anyway, Airbnbs were very similar prices to the past in the units I stayed in recently. Much less if you consider exchange rate. I don't know where you get that they are 3 times the cost now.[/QUOTE]The same unit I stayed in Energy is now 3 x the price of what I paid. As all the other Energy units. The gringo targeted airbnbs are owned mostly by other gringos.

My first stay in Energy was 2017.89 $. The same unit now 249-269.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2824230]The exchange rate for the Colombian Peso to USD has dropped to below 4300 COP.

Down more than 700 COP from it's highest exchange rate within the last six months.

Almost seems like it's in a free fall as I haven't seen it drop so much in several years without recovering and going to new highs.

Hopefully things will turn around.[/QUOTE]What you are saying is that the COP is rising, not tanking. At least relative to the US dollar. Better to say the US dollar is tanking.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824369]It's not that they're not worth that to Colombian men but it's that they not available to Colombian men.[/QUOTE]This is an excellent point. I don't think we will ever reach some sort of agreement on this with the majority of posters here, because we roll differently and target different girls.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824369]It's not that they're not worth that to Colombian men but it's that they not available to Colombian men.[/QUOTE]Maybe in your ethnocentric gringo fantasy world they are not. These are the same chicks those dudes grew up fucking. They did not just start when gringos arrived with a pocket full of money.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2824302]The girls will miss you.[/QUOTE]Apparently not considering 95% of them never responded or gave me a "jajajajajaja muy poco tacaño" response.

[QUOTE=Gristle1;2823366]You got to look at the optics of everything. I've frequented Colombia 5 times. I stopped only because I relocated to UAE for a bit. I'm planning on doing the digital nomad visa next year after I finish my online PhD. The people who are murdered as usually involved in some shady business. The people getting drugged are not vetting girls or making themselves to be a mark in my opinion. For example, there are several videos on social media of Americans flashing clash (making it rain in clubs), getting ridiculously drunk, fucking women on balconies, etc. Everyone there knows you have money by your mere presence of being there (flights aren't cheap), so showing opulence in front of people who are not making a lot will definitely increase the odds of something unfavorable happening to you.

My advice to you is if you invite a woman to your room, don't have anything work a lot of money in plain view (Keep the good guys honest). If you want to part-time monger, stick to Facebook girls. They are all pretty vetted and at least one American on their friends list has been with them and can tell you about it. If they provide drugs, don't take it. Keep your drink with you at all times.

Long-term relationships can be had quite easily in Colombia. Just make sure they aren't party girls. I suggest walking around a mall and approaching women. Hell, even approach them at a restaurant or coffee shop. They are fairly easy to talk to and you can be assured they aren't party girls. Every woman in Colombia is beautiful, you just want a humble one. I don't recommend looking for them online because 90% of them are pros pretending to be regular girls until it's time to meet and they want a payment after you've already met them and took them to bed.[/QUOTE]Can't thank you enough bro for the valuable input.

I feel very sorry for those who live in the past. I live in the expanded presence because the past is closed and the future has not happened. I am not buying that in a city of over 4,000,000 people that those visiting from outside of the country can have an effect overall on this vibrant city. Those running up in here with complaints need to check out some self help books and bring their language and social skills up a bit. To blame others is a cop out and I am basically tired of reading about that shit. Post up some real intelligence or find another place to visit.

I just got back from Medellin. And there is no perfect place. But there is a lot more to like than to dislike.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824372]The same unit I stayed in Energy is now 3 x the price of what I paid. As all the other Energy units. The gringo targeted airbnbs are owned mostly by other gringos.

My first stay in Energy was 2017.89 $. The same unit now 249-269.[/QUOTE]Ok. Not my experience in locally owned Airbnb's but I know Energy is a bit unique in that it is mostly or all owned by foreigners, and caters to mongers. Generally. All Airbnb's have the option of various methods of pricing, and when I had units on Airbnb one of the options was an automatic sort of pricing offered by Airbnb where the algorithm would price according to information it had. And in some cases it could change from day to day, or certainly from one week to the next and suggest prices 2 or 3 times as high as normal when there was a shortage of units at that particular time. Not saying that is what happened to you, but demand certainly does affect the suggested price that Airbnb provides to the host, if they choose to use that service.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2823538]Yeah, I have been to that place, forget the name, not too far from the fish market. If you want to pay 10-15 usd to a dirty working girl for a 15 minute session in a room that looks worse than a jail cell, be my guest & have a great time.[/QUOTE]Just catching up on a few days of posts here. In case this question wasn't answered yet the name of the place is La Bocatorena. It's the only day game in town and the beer is cheap as are the sessions. I've enjoyed the cheap beer but didn't part in the cheap sessions. The place is life at it's most raw and makes you feel alive just like el centro Medellin.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2824313]Hi all,

I want to make a trip to Medellin. I will be on a solo travel, I only speak English.

I am looking at places like the following:

1. I can definitely hunt beautiful girls here, no doubt.

2. The places are open also during day time. So I do not have to wait until the night.

3. Due to safety concerns, I do not want to play with an escort in my hotel room.

Currently, I only have two candidates, Isla La, and Face 2. However, they open late (in night), also I am on solo travel and do like sitting in a noisy disco.

In short, could you suggest some places meeting my needs or at least close to my needs? In general, I am looking for "safe and daytime-operated" FKK-like places in Medellin.

Thanks![/QUOTE]There are no FKK-like places in Medellin.

During the day there are casas, a basic brothel. You go inside, a line-up of girls is presented to you, you pick one and go to a room to do the deed. Depending on the casa you either pay before, or after, and then you leave.

It's "La Isla" and "Fase 2. " They are both night places.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2824431]Ok. Not my experience in locally owned Airbnb's but I know Energy is a bit unique in that it is mostly or all owned by foreigners, and caters to mongers. Generally. All Airbnb's have the option of various methods of pricing, and when I had units on Airbnb one of the options was an automatic sort of pricing offered by Airbnb where the algorithm would price according to information it had. And in some cases it could change from day to day, or certainly from one week to the next and suggest prices 2 or 3 times as high as normal when there was a shortage of units at that particular time. Not saying that is what happened to you, but demand certainly does affect the suggested price that Airbnb provides to the host, if they choose to use that service.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you aware but pricing Airbnb and housing in general in Medellin has seen major increases since 2020. So much so that it is creating a housing problem for the locals. It's well documented and not due to an "algorithm". Units that were $40 a night are now $100. Apartments that were 2. 5 mill are now 5 mil. A lot of this is due to greedy landlords and investors but it all continues to exacerbate the housing issue. The apartment issue is a very contentious one right and sore spot for Colombians because they attribute it to gringos / digital nomads moving in.

Even some of the expats I know are being pushed out of the more desirable neighborhoods and going to Sabaneta, Beléand, Bello, etc.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2824431]Ok. Not my experience in locally owned Airbnb's but I know Energy is a bit unique in that it is mostly or all owned by foreigners, and caters to mongers. Generally. All Airbnb's have the option of various methods of pricing, and when I had units on Airbnb one of the options was an automatic sort of pricing offered by Airbnb where the algorithm would price according to information it had. And in some cases it could change from day to day, or certainly from one week to the next and suggest prices 2 or 3 times as high as normal when there was a shortage of units at that particular time. Not saying that is what happened to you, but demand certainly does affect the suggested price that Airbnb provides to the host, if they choose to use that service.[/QUOTE]As I re-read my own comment I think I exaggerated the changes in pricing that Airbnb suggests to owners / hosts. In my example my normal price (not in Colombia) was around $120 per day, and at times the Airbnb suggested price would go as high as $170 or so per night, other times it would suggest $90, or less. I never totally trusted these pricing suggestions, especially the low numbers, as Airbnb itself always tries to get it's hosts and owners to lower overall prices to drive its business higher for higher market share.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824377]This is an excellent point. I don't think we will ever reach some sort of agreement on this with the majority of posters here, because we roll differently and target different girls.[/QUOTE]It's not an "excellent point" as most of the "model" and "high end" designations are all in Sangnyc21's head. As is the claims that "models" are buying him $1000 sneakers. Virtually all of these girls working around El Poblado and the more expensive strip clubs are from the same lower tier barrios (Bello, Manrique, Aranjuez, etc.) and didn't get into hooking in a vacuum. Just ask them what neighborhood they are from. Few will lie. They started with Colombian men and will see the same today when they can match the gringo's bid. Also many of these started working in Centro clubs and casas then after some better makeup, clothes, and silicone graduated to the more expensive venues. I've seen it time and again. Thus these distinctions guys like you and Sang constantly make to reinforce your fantasies are invalid. It's just how it is.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2824313]Hi all,

I want to make a trip to Medellin. I will be on a solo travel, I only speak English.

I am looking at places like the following:

1. I can definitely hunt beautiful girls here, no doubt.
2. The places are open also during day time. So I do not have to wait until the night.
3. Due to safety concerns, I do not want to play with an escort in my hotel room.

Currently, I only have two candidates, Isla La, and Face 2. However, they open late (in night), also I am on solo travel and do like sitting in a noisy disco.

In short, could you suggest some places meeting my needs or at least close to my needs? In general, I am looking for "safe and daytime-operated" FKK-like places in Medellin.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Why not just stay at the Mansion? Totally safe, every girl who enters is registered and ID checked, girls hanging out daytime, on premise club with girls, most guests don't speak english so girls are google translate familiar, etc. Seems so much easier for your situation.

I am not sure if you are aware of the many macro and micro economic issues that are affecting the pricing of housing in general. Inflation, weakness in the COP and demand. This is not due to greedy landlords or investors. It is being generated by government policies and the printing to fiat currency in excess that means nothing. Landlords and investors are only reacting to the market conditions that they find themselves in. The only thing the might be attributed to gringos / digital nomads is demand (and that is still a big if). If you can't afford to live where you want to live work harder. If you can't afford to travel, work harder and save money longer. Don't blame it on others!

After my first trip to [B]Medellin[/B] I have nothing but good things to say about the place. Of course I don't live in the past. I operate under the market conditions that exist in the present. As a professional investor in real estate and businesses, I know of what I speak.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2824515]I'm not sure if you aware but pricing Airbnb and housing in general in Medellin has seen major increases since 2020. So much so that it is creating a housing problem for the locals. It's well documented and not due to an "algorithm". Units that were $40 a night are now $100. Apartments that were 2. 5 mill are now 5 mil. A lot of this is due to greedy landlords and investors but it all continues to exacerbate the housing issue. The apartment issue is a very contentious one right and sore spot for Colombians because they attribute it to gringos / digital nomads moving in.

Even some of the expats I know are being pushed out of the more desirable neighborhoods and going to Sabaneta, Beland, Bello, etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2824556]Why not just stay at the Mansion? Totally safe, every girl who enters is registered and ID checked, girls hanging out daytime, on premise club with girls, most guests don't speak english so girls are google translate familiar, etc. Seems so much easier for your situation.[/QUOTE]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (even tough I explained him all safety tips) Lots of gangs are fishing American tourists and spiking your drinks or blowing something to your face or even putting on something to their tits and after you lick or smell you wake up with an empty bank account after 48 hours. If you are married, your wife can go crazy. You end up into police station. They are doing a big nothing for you. There is no way to escape from this danger. They are using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours. Then they are professional about hacking phones and emptying your all accounts, cash apps etc.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2824529]It's not an "excellent point" as most of the "model" and "high end" designations are all in Sangnyc21's head. As is the claims that "models" are buying him $1000 sneakers. Virtually all of these girls working around El Poblado and the more expensive strip clubs are from the same lower tier barrios (Bello, Manrique, Aranjuez, etc.) and didn't get into hooking in a vacuum. Just ask them what neighborhood they are from. Few will lie. They started with Colombian men and will see the same today when they can match the gringo's bid. Also many of these started working in Centro clubs and casas then after some better makeup, clothes, and silicone graduated to the more expensive venues. I've seen it time and again. Thus these distinctions guys like you and Sang constantly make to reinforce your fantasies are invalid. It's just how it is.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter which barrio a girl comes from. Girls are not paid based on where they live or grew up, this is totally irrelevant. What matters is where they work (=sell pussy), what audience they target, and if they are smart enough to go where the money is. And obviously, she has to stand out in terms of the looks and personality, which is self-explanatory and has nothing to do with her barrio. A great example would be a stunner from a poor village in Ukraine. She comes to Dubai and all of a sudden starts earning thousands. Or finds a rich Sugar Daddy and is set for years. Instead of selling her pussy for cheap in Ukraine, she realized she would have much better opportunities in Dubai, or London, etc.

Another thing you fail to understand that a girl doesn't necessarily need to go through all the stages of a "career path", so to speak, starting out at lower end casas or streets of El Centro. All she needs to do is to set up a profile online, and wait. If she is a stunner, she will get snatched quickly. Again, if she truly stands out, she will have no problem finding a sugar daddy or wealthy clients who would pay top dollar / peso. You can't even imagine how easy and fast this can happen nowadays.

I have said this before, you and some other posters will never agree with me or Sang, because of the pussy is pussy mentality.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2824556]Why not just stay at the Mansion? Totally safe, [/QUOTE]Except, of course, the two times it was robbed by dudes with guns.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2824529]It's not an "excellent point" as most of the "model" and "high end" designations are all in Sangnyc21's head. As is the claims that "models" are buying him $1000 sneakers. Virtually all of these girls working around El Poblado and the more expensive strip clubs are from the same lower tier barrios (Bello, Manrique, Aranjuez, etc.) and didn't get into hooking in a vacuum. Just ask them what neighborhood they are from. Few will lie. They started with Colombian men and will see the same today when they can match the gringo's bid. Also many of these started working in Centro clubs and casas then after some better makeup, clothes, and silicone graduated to the more expensive venues. I've seen it time and again. Thus these distinctions guys like you and Sang constantly make to reinforce your fantasies are invalid. It's just how it is.[/QUOTE]Lmao. There's a difference between a hooker and a GF. I said my GF bought me 1000 $ sneakers. She was a model in Ecuador. Her family lives in Itagui and I stayed with her all the time. Yes if a girl is from bello Manrique popular etc for me I would never date a girl from those areas again. The more one comes to Colombia the more they learn about the country and how things work.

As for models buying me 1000 $ sneakers well let's see. On my birthday she called my best friend and sent him money to so he could order the sneakers on his CC since the Versace website doesn't accept Colombian CC's.

I love going to the club and watching my girl pop up on the screen cause she's in one of Ryan Castros music videos.

But hey that's just me.

Paulie stop being so bitter. You definitely don't know it all. I'm sure I don't either. But in the game of mongering there are plenty of girls who don't see Colombians.

The rate from USD to COP today sits at about $1 = 4,200 Colombian pesos which is a 12% drop in the past handful on months.

Is this lower exchange rate have any influence on what your paying for your dates?

TTM.

Rental housing cost increases in Medellin (this excludes short term rentals such as Airbnb etc.) are legally limited to the annual rate of inflation. For 2022 to 2023 that rate is unusually high (about 13%, a little more than double last year's rate), but not as high as the rates of increase I've been reading about for short term rentals. The legal rent increase rate does not apply to new rentals nor, of course, does it apply to real estate sales. Colombian or foreigner, you would have to have been renting or looking to buy at the extreme upper edge of your budget to get priced out of any long term (I. E. One year or more) rental or property purchase. I think I am agreeing with guys who have been on here in recent days saying Colombia is not worth what it costs them to stay in Airbnb's in Laureles, Poblado, or Envigado, and source dates on from the facebook profiles aimed at gringo punters.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2824515]I'm not sure if you aware but pricing Airbnb and housing in general in Medellin has seen major increases since 2020. So much so that it is creating a housing problem for the locals. It's well documented and not due to an "algorithm". Units that were $40 a night are now $100. Apartments that were 2. 5 mill are now 5 mil. A lot of this is due to greedy landlords and investors but it all continues to exacerbate the housing issue. The apartment issue is a very contentious one right and sore spot for Colombians because they attribute it to gringos / digital nomads moving in.

Even some of the expats I know are being pushed out of the more desirable neighborhoods and going to Sabaneta, Beland, Bello, etc.[/QUOTE]

The best advice I can give is if you don't enjoy the time you've spent here it's better to stay away and find that happy place.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2824425]I feel very sorry for those who live in the past. I live in the expanded presence because the past is closed and the future has not happened. I am not buying that in a city of over 4,000,000 people that those visiting from outside of the country can have an effect overall on this vibrant city. Those running up in here with complaints need to check out some self help books and bring their language and social skills up a bit. To blame others is a cop out and I am basically tired of reading about that shit. Post up some real intelligence or find another place to visit.

I just got back from Medellin. And there is no perfect place. But there is a lot more to like than to dislike.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824369]One thing you never mention is this. Girls who sell their bodies to Colombian men are not the girls that I usually target. If you know the Colombian culture at all, then you'll know the models and universally "hot" girls will still try to keep an upstanding rep in their community. They want to keep what they do discreet.

They target one market only because they know they won't have problems finding men that will pay their prices or what they think they're worth.

It's not that they're not worth that to Colombian men but it's that they not available to Colombian men.[/QUOTE]You actually believe there are Colombian women in Colombia who aren't fucking Colombian men? Are you snorting too much tussi bro? They grew up here their first boyfriends were Colombians, I'm sure they have maridos they don't tell you about, and guess what-- he's a Colombian!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824573]It doesn't matter which barrio a girl comes from. Girls are not paid based on where they live or grew up, this is totally irrelevant. What matters is where they work (=sell pussy), what audience they target, and if they are smart enough to go where the money is. And obviously, she has to stand out in terms of the looks and personality, which is self-explanatory and has nothing to do with her barrio. A great example would be a stunner from a poor village in Ukraine. She comes to Dubai and all of a sudden starts earning thousands. Or finds a rich Sugar Daddy and is set for years. Instead of selling her pussy for cheap in Ukraine, she realized she would have much better opportunities in Dubai, or London, etc.[/QUOTE]That is a stand at the plate and watch walk off home run brother!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824573]Another thing you fail to understand that a girl doesn't necessarily need to go through all the stages of a "career path", so to speak, starting out at lower end casas or streets of El Centro. All she needs to do is to set up a profile online, and wait. If she is a stunner, she will get snatched quickly. Again, if she truly stands out, she will have no problem finding a sugar daddy or wealthy clients who would pay top dollar / peso. You can't even imagine how easy and fast this can happen nowadays.[/QUOTE]Body blow followed by a right uppercut. He is on the mat. Knockout in the first round.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2824573]I have said this before, you and some other posters will never agree with me or Sang, because of the pussy is pussy mentality.[/QUOTE]I have the opinion that pussy is indeed pussy. [B]Especially[/B] when you are paying for it. The more you pay for pussy the less you are paying for sexual services and the more you are paying for the life support system for the pussy and all the benefits that come with the package. I have never had a girl actually perform better in the bed depending on how much they are getting paid. Girls are emotional creatures. Mongers under estimate how much the presentation of self factors into the equation. If you are ugly, fat, smell bad and don't speak the language those are all factors that can even influence your experience with paid sex. Many forget they are dealing with another human being the is being paid to perform a service for you and therefore they deserve to be treated as such. Without attitude or being demeaned.

Now you don't have to agree with me. I do not need anyone to agree with me. My dick. My money. And no grown man should be telling another how to spend their money or who they should be fucking. And it should be noted that my experiences or opinions do not invalidate yours. In all endeavours cooperation is better and confrontation. You are ok. I am ok.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824581]Lmao. There's a difference between a hooker and a GF. I said my GF bought me 1000 $ sneakers. She was a model in Ecuador. Her family lives in Itagui and I stayed with her all the time. Yes if a girl is from bello Manrique popular etc for me I would never date a girl from those areas again. The more one comes to Colombia the more they learn about the country and how things work.

As for models buying me 1000 $ sneakers well let's see. On my birthday she called my best friend and sent him money to so he could order the sneakers on his CC since the Versace website doesn't accept Colombian CC's. [/QUOTE]OK, reality check. I've dated models in the USA, I used to work as a photographer. How much do you think models make? 99% of them don't make enough to work full-time as models. The ones who do live in NYC, LA (with winter in Miami) - very agency-controlled lives. Now switch over to South America. I'm pretty almost no models make enough to make a living; and if any do they are full-time employed and not running around, most likely living agency-controlled lives in Bogota.

BTW, Visa / MC are international networks. A Colombian Visa works 'just fine' on the Versace international website, and Versace doesn't sell $1,000 sneakers. Their average sneaker is $500 - but since they distribute in Colombia. Anyone wanting to buy them can just get them at a local store or distributor.

But this is about all I am about to say about this, it's just unrealistic. I have a date tonight with Dany. A 6'1" model type who you could drop in Paris on Fashion Week and she would fit right in. And she thinks she's super demanding because she wants 400 mil a date / night. This is Medellin, after all.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2824672]OK, reality check. I've dated models in the USA, I used to work as a photographer. How much do you think models make? 99% of them don't make enough to work full-time as models. The ones who do live in NYC, LA (with winter in Miami) - very agency-controlled lives. Now switch over to South America. I'm pretty almost no models make enough to make a living; and if any do they are full-time employed and not running around, most likely living agency-controlled lives in Bogota.

BTW, Visa / MC are international networks. A Colombian Visa works 'just fine' on the Versace international website, and Versace doesn't sell $1,000 sneakers. Their average sneaker is $500 - but since they distribute in Colombia. Anyone wanting to buy them can just get them at a local store or distributor.

But this is about all I am about to say about this, it's just unrealistic. I have a date tonight with Dany. A 6'1" model type who you could drop in Paris on Fashion Week and she would fit right in. And she thinks she's super demanding because she wants 400 mil a date / night. This is Medellin, after all.[/QUOTE]They don't make a lot.

She worked in Ecuador for 5 years and saved up a lot of $$.

Gets paid in usd in Ecuador promoting brands etc.

Also no Versace will not accept Colombian visa when shipping to a USA address.

I know I found a true gem of gems.

Is is possible she worked in the past? I wouldn't doubt it.

But I do know since we've been together she hasn't worked or cheated.

Why the hell would I make up such a random story. I have plenty of my own high end stuff.

I'm not the most handsome guy in the world but I got a pretty good hit list from my past.

But it's hilarious how you guys want to call me out it makes my day LOL.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2824672]OK, reality check. I've dated models in the USA, I used to work as a photographer. How much do you think models make? 99% of them don't make enough to work full-time as models. The ones who do live in NYC, LA (with winter in Miami) - very agency-controlled lives. Now switch over to South America. I'm pretty almost no models make enough to make a living; and if any do they are full-time employed and not running around, most likely living agency-controlled lives in Bogota.

BTW, Visa / MC are international networks. A Colombian Visa works 'just fine' on the Versace international website, and Versace doesn't sell $1,000 sneakers. Their average sneaker is $500 - but since they distribute in Colombia. Anyone wanting to buy them can just get them at a local store or distributor.

But this is about all I am about to say about this, it's just unrealistic. I have a date tonight with Dany. A 6'1" model type who you could drop in Paris on Fashion Week and she would fit right in. And she thinks she's super demanding because she wants 400 mil a date / night. This is Medellin, after all.[/QUOTE]Did you say 400 mil a date?? Lmao maybe she can be a model on height but I can only imagine how ugly she is.

Fb girls are asking 4-500 mil and getting it and being sent out to Cancun. And you're talking about a 400 mil girl?? Lmao.

When I say model I actually still mean pretty face million dollar smile slender and curvy.

Why do I even read this forum anymore? Even if I post something, there's going to be 10 or more back / forth posts about the same shit. Alas, I'm outtie. End this on a nice note. Had this little hottie spinner from Copacabana a while back. 300 mil plus taxi BBFFS and CIM.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2824732]I'll be the escrow, I'm trusted.[/QUOTE]Hey they have a chance to win 5 k each and I can lose 15 k if I'm a liar right? LOL.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2824636]
Have you ever even been to Colombia Mr. SandyNYC?
[/QUOTE]I can verify Mr. Sandy NYC has been to Medellin as I've met Sang. Wish I met his girlfriend jaja.

I'm also "boots on the ground" here. Regarding pricing my experience is that the vast majority of FB chicas will still accept 250 mil incluyendo de taxis for a standard session (no extras except BBBJ). But yeah if you want the top ten percent (flacas y lindas) you might need to bump that up 50 mil. Or if you want more than the standard session most are open minded for a few more pesos.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2824749]I can verify Mr. Sandy NYC has been to Medellin as I've met Sang. Wish I met his girlfriend jaja.

I'm also "boots on the ground" here. Regarding pricing my experience is that the vast majority of FB chicas will still accept 250 mil incluyendo de taxis for a standard session (no extras except BBBJ). But yeah if you want the top ten percent (flacas y lindas) you might need to bump that up 50 mil. Or if you want more than the standard session most are open minded for a few more pesos.[/QUOTE]Hilarious how some of the same girls we saw are now asking 4-500 mil.

Enjoy your trip bro. Mde is no longer a mongering playground for me.

If you book room for 2 person, is this generally acceptable with hotels if you bring girls to your room?

[QUOTE=MiamiPilot;2824570]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (even tough I explained him all safety tips) Lots of gangs are fishing American tourists and spiking your drinks or blowing something to your face or even putting on something to their tits and after you lick or smell you wake up with an empty bank account after 48 hours. If you are married, your wife can go crazy. You end up into police station. They are doing a big nothing for you. There is no way to escape from this danger. They are using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours. Then they are professional about hacking phones and emptying your all accounts, cash apps etc.[/QUOTE]Why did you have that much cash accessible to rob.

The best advice I can give you is that if you don't understand my posts, then should should not comment on them.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2824639]The best advice I can give is if you don't enjoy the time you've spent here it's better to stay away and find that happy place.[/QUOTE]I did not ask for your advice. Who said I did not enjoy my visit?

Now, I have a lot of respect for the information you have given me in the past brother about the Dominican Republic. But don't step to me with your negativity because you did not understand my post. I am not the one up in here wishing for the [B]glory days[/B] once again.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824364]Another thing that's not talked about is the top notch girls rarely work in medellin anymore. They choose to fly overseas whether a client flies them out or go with their gfs to work.

Realistically speaking if you put the work in, you can get what you want.

But the reality of it is these girls are not service oriented anymore.

Also what's actually available in medellin is not what it once was quality wise.[/QUOTE]I don't try to negociate the rates of the girls in Medellin. I pay usually 500 mil pesos per night with girls, but I do only BBFS. And for the colombian pornstars, I pay between 1 to 2 millions pesos, it depends how famous she is. They all accept bareback easily.

And I love to go casa Ella Erotic, they have few sexy girls! I already met 3 girls there.

I think all girls in Medellin accept BBFS if you pay more.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2824751]Hilarious how some of the same girls we saw are now asking 4-500 mil.[/QUOTE]It is because they know their worth. Obvious that nobody saw this worth when they were young and fresh charging 150,000, but now that they are older and used up, they and other punters see the light. Do I hear 600,000?

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2824702]Why do I even read this forum anymore? Even if I post something, there's going to be 10 or more back / forth posts about the same shit. Alas, I'm outtie. End this on a nice note. Had this little hottie spinner from Copacabana a while back. 300 mil plus taxi BBFFS and CIM.[/QUOTE]I found this website informative for my first two trips but after that, less so. I still read it for entertainment purposes. A lot of guys bragging but that's the nature of guys. I try not to engage in those debates but sometimes I can't help myself. I'm no expert and I've only been to Medellin a few times but I am learning a lot on each trip. Learning by trial and error is the best way to improve, at least for me.

I am an older monger and there is a difference between the young mongers and the older mongers. Younger guys tend to brag a bit more. For the older average looking mongers, like myself, Medellin still is a wonderful place to visit. If you open up your wallet and don't worry about what others are paying, there are plenty of young attractive girls who are eager to meet you. I go on short trips so I pay what I need to pay to get the girl I want. I don't try to negotiate down to the lowest price that a girl is willing to take. I just offer a price that I think is reasonable and if she wants 50 mil more, it is not a big deal to me.

I don't go on trips to try to impress guys that I have never meet. I just go to have a good time with young attractive women and that happens on every trip.

So if you are a newbie going on your first trip, expect to make a few mistakes and learn from them. Take notes and your second trip will be better and so on.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2824702]Why do I even read this forum anymore? Even if I post something, there's going to be 10 or more back / forth posts about the same shit. Alas, I'm outtie. End this on a nice note. Had this little hottie spinner from Copacabana a while back. 300 mil plus taxi BBFFS and CIM.[/QUOTE]Are you the guy who bought an apartment in Medellin and was living there or am I mistaken? If you are that guy you used to post reports on what a great time you were having. What happened?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2824768]Why did you have that much cash accessible to rob.[/QUOTE]Probably stolen from bank accounts.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2824824]I don't try to negociate the rates of the girls in Medellin. I pay usually 500 mil pesos per night with girls, but I do only BBFS. And for the colombian pornstars, I pay between 1 to 2 millions pesos, it depends how famous she is. They all accept bareback easily.

And I love to go casa Ella Erotic, they have few sexy girls! I already met 3 girls there.

I think all girls in Medellin accept BBFS if you pay more.[/QUOTE]That is not true. Some girls are smart enough to know not to take risks from guys who bareback girls. A number of girls refuse for good reason. I respect that decision and it is wise. Even if they can make more money, catching a disease is not worth it to the girls particularly HIV or herpes. That being said, I also like barebacking but I recognize the risks that I am taking.

[QUOTE=Ullo200;2824753]If you book room for 2 person, is this generally acceptable with hotels if you bring girls to your room?[/QUOTE]Yes of course, but they will need ID.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2824824]I don't try to negociate the rates of the girls in Medellin. I pay usually 500 mil pesos per night with girls, but I do only BBFS. And for the colombian pornstars, I pay between 1 to 2 millions pesos, it depends how famous she is. They all accept bareback easily.

And I love to go casa Ella Erotic, they have few sexy girls! I already met 3 girls there.

I think all girls in Medellin accept BBFS if you pay more.[/QUOTE]How do you get in contact with the pornstars out there? Just asking for a friend LOL.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2824702]Why do I even read this forum anymore? Even if I post something, there's going to be 10 or more back / forth posts about the same shit. Alas, I'm outtie. End this on a nice note. Had this little hottie spinner from Copacabana a while back. 300 mil plus taxi BBFFS and CIM.[/QUOTE]She is smoking brother. And understand your sentiments about the forum completely. I looked in here initially to see what could learn and all I came up with is that this thread is filled with a lot of trash talkers.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2824844]I found this website informative for my first two trips but after that, less so. I still read it for entertainment purposes. A lot of guys bragging but that's the nature of guys. I try not to engage in those debates but sometimes I can't help myself. I'm no expert and I've only been to Medellin a few times but I am learning a lot on each trip. Learning by trial and error is the best way to improve, at least for me.

I am an older monger and there is a difference between the young mongers and the older mongers. Younger guys tend to brag a bit more. For the older average looking mongers, like myself, Medellin still is a wonderful place to visit. If you open up your wallet and don't worry about what others are paying, there are plenty of young attractive girls who are eager to meet you. I go on short trips so I pay what I need to pay to get the girl I want. I don't try to negotiate down to the lowest price that a girl is willing to take. I just offer a price that I think is reasonable and if she wants 50 mil more, it is not a big deal to me.

I don't go on trips to try to impress guys that I have never meet. I just go to have a good time with young attractive women and that happens on every trip.

So if you are a newbie going on your first trip, expect to make a few mistakes and learn from them. Take notes and your second trip will be better and so on.[/QUOTE]Dead on point my brother. Every word. Except that I yet to find anything this forum to be informative. Just got back from Medellin. First trip. Had a great time! But I guess because my girl did not buy me a $1000 USD gift, I am such a loser. LOL!

"Put your house on the line and I can cover the bet" - [B]Luda[/B].

I will repeat. There is no perfect place. But there is a lot more to like than to dislike!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2824860]Are you the guy who bought an apartment in Medellin and was living there or am I mistaken? If you are that guy you used to post reports on what a great time you were having. What happened?[/QUOTE]Yes, that's me. I'm still having a great and crazy time here. Buying my own place is still the best decision ever. Glad I don't have to worry about airbnb BS and I can come and go as I please. Anyways. Remember tussi makes the pussy juicy while fucking in a jacuzzi! Cringe 101 jajaja.

[QUOTE=NycNative1;2824889]How do you get in contact with the pornstars out there? Just asking for a friend LOL.[/QUOTE]Instagram.

[QUOTE=MiamiPilot;2824570]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (even tough I explained him all safety tips) Lots of gangs are fishing American tourists and spiking your drinks or blowing something to your face or even putting on something to their tits and after you lick or smell you wake up with an empty bank account after 48 hours. If you are married, your wife can go crazy. You end up into police station. They are doing a big nothing for you. There is no way to escape from this danger. They are using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours. Then they are professional about hacking phones and emptying your all accounts, cash apps etc.[/QUOTE]If you were robbed of $7 k, you clearly didn't explain all the safety tips, or follow them.

Did they rob you 3 times? If not, why are you claiming they put something in your drink, put something on their tits and blew something in your face?

Here's one safety tip you forgot. When a girl arrives, insist she take a shower with you. That's one problem solved.

Once the shower is finished, take her to bed. She has nothing to "blow in your face" and you have something to put in her face for her to blow. Second problem avoided.

All that's left is keeping her from putting anything in your drink. Not impossible. You put her in the shower and took her straight to bed. Any drug she has is in her purse or clothes. Keep her away from those things until you're finished. Pay her, let her get dressed and send her away.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2824871]That is not true. Some girls are smart enough to know not to take risks from guys who bareback girls. A number of girls refuse for good reason. I respect that decision and it is wise. Even if they can make more money, catching a disease is not worth it to the girls particularly HIV or herpes. That being said, I also like barebacking but I recognize the risks that I am taking.[/QUOTE]Especially in those group chats that some of these fb girls have. They will out guys who want BBFS.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2824892]She is smoking brother. And understand your sentiments about the forum completely. I looked in here initially to see what could learn and all I came up with is that this thread is filled with a lot of trash talkers.

Dead on point my brother. Every word. Except that I yet to find anything this forum to be informative. Just got back from Medellin. First trip. Had a great time! But I guess because my girl did not buy me a $1000 USD gift, I am such a loser. LOL!

"Put your house on the line and I can cover the bet" - [B]Luda[/B].

I will repeat. There is no perfect place. But there is a lot more to like than to dislike![/QUOTE]This is exactly how I feel about this forum. I'm wondering why someone who top Colombian models are paying to have sex with are even on a monger board let alone posting? I'll be in MDE next week for the fourth time in the last 7 months. Got a stable of hotties I've been with before lined up and some new ones. I'll be busy. FYI I just do FB and SA girls and only the hottest ones, mostly from SA. Model types. I pay between 350 and 600 all in for long dates in my airbnb with as much sex as I can muster and if we both want, go to a nice dinner after. I'd rather go out to dinner with a hottie than by myself. A few are BBFS and all are BBBJ and GFE. I do some light negotiating but that's about it. I want to girl to be satisfied with what she is getting and I turn down a lot of dates if the price is too high. Some of the better looking SA girls are asking 700-800 and won't come down. The FB girls tend to charge less than the SA girls but not all of them. I speak intermediate spanish and I think that helps a lot.

I'm sorry about what happened to you but I won't be relocating because of it.

[QUOTE=MiamiPilot;2824570]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (even tough I explained him all safety tips) Lots of gangs are fishing American tourists and spiking your drinks or blowing something to your face or even putting on something to their tits and after you lick or smell you wake up with an empty bank account after 48 hours. If you are married, your wife can go crazy. You end up into police station. They are doing a big nothing for you. There is no way to escape from this danger. They are using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours. Then they are professional about hacking phones and emptying your all accounts, cash apps etc.[/QUOTE]

I understood your post. I was agreeing with you. No one has anything to prove here.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2824790]The best advice I can give you is that if you don't understand my posts, then should should not comment on them.

I did not ask for your advice. Who said I did not enjoy my visit?

Now, I have a lot of respect for the information you have given me in the past brother about the Dominican Republic. But don't step to me with your negativity because you did not understand my post. I am not the one up in here wishing for the [B]glory days[/B] once again.[/QUOTE]

It has no impact on the peso cost of dates but the amount of foreign currency used to buy the pesos is about more than it was a few weeks ago.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2824632]The rate from USD to COP today sits at about $1 = 4,200 Colombian pesos which is a 12% drop in the past handful on months.

Is this lower exchange rate have any influence on what your paying for your dates?

TTM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2824892]She is smoking brother. And understand your sentiments about the forum completely. I looked in here initially to see what could learn and all I came up with is that this thread is filled with a lot of trash talkers.

Dead on point my brother. Every word. Except that I yet to find anything this forum to be informative. Just got back from Medellin. First trip. Had a great time! But I guess because my girl did not buy me a $1000 USD gift, I am such a loser. LOL!

"Put your house on the line and I can cover the bet" - [B]Luda[/B].

I will repeat. There is no perfect place. But there is a lot more to like than to dislike![/QUOTE]Lmao obviously this is a jab at me so let me respond.

I never think I am better than anyone. Regardless if they spend 40 k or 400 usd on a girl.

But if you look at the pattern of behavior of some people they like to poke at guys who spend more think that the guys who spend more are fools or idiots.

Then they spread misinformation like they know everything. Like all hookers make fun of a guy that pays more and brings it back to their bfs in the ghetto as if this applies to all.

And my favorite. The in demand 8's-10's can be had for 200 mil. And insult others when they post an honest review.

Then they talk about how all girls are poor and can't afford nothing meanwhile half these hookers have the most up to date iPhones and spend 1000's a month on make up, nail, etc.

Everyone has different standards in mongering and dating. For me personally I have paid to bang 5's at times just cause I felt like she would be great in bed.

I respect everyone for how they roll. Whether it be centro sws or gustos. I have my own style. I only retaliate when idiots want to poke at me as if their way is the only way.

So let's move on from this nonsense since those fools are nowhere to be found.

Went to Oriental Spa yesterday. A fellow forum member had been there on Tuesday and recommended Valentina and I was done sightseeing, so I took a trip to Laureles. I had the Uber drop me off and pick me up at Hotel Palmas del Estadio which is right next door. Buzzed the door a few times because there was no indication which button it was on the keypad, but Yuli answered the door after about a minute. I sit on the couch, she gets me a water, and I get the lineup. Six girls. All very attractive. Valentina is not there, and I choose Vanessa. Short, thick, curvy, long black hair, and all smiles. She takes me upstairs to a big room with a bed and a bathroom. We discuss terms. 200 mil for the massage. Which was actually quite good, she knew a thing or two. And 200 mil for BBBJ + FS, no besos or DATY which is always a bit of a bummer for me. 400 mil out the door. She had some relatively new tits. A little belly, but not in bad way IMHO, and a nice thick ass. Afterward she was washing me and we were talking. She wants to get her tummy tucked and make her ass bigger. I don't think she needs either, but whatever makes ya happy. Ya know. She was a 7 or 8/10 on my scale. She did a good job of putting on a show. Sensual heavy breathing, que rico, etc etc.

Onward to The Mansion.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2824824]I don't try to negociate the rates of the girls in Medellin. I pay usually 500 mil pesos per night with girls, but I do only BBFS. And for the colombian pornstars, I pay between 1 to 2 millions pesos, it depends how famous she is. They all accept bareback easily.

And I love to go casa Ella Erotic, they have few sexy girls! I already met 3 girls there.

I think all girls in Medellin accept BBFS if you pay more.[/QUOTE]Your comments regarding BBFS have not been my experience. I don't necessarily look for it as I don't want to get a girl pregnant, but I've had Seeking girls, IG 'model' girls, and hot regulars that ask me 'How can I make more than your standard? . I'll say you need to do something more (ie BBFS). Maybe 1 in 8 agrees. And usually the BBFS just happens when we've had a fight or they think I'm going to leave them. On the other end of the spectrum I've had girls stop seeing me as the simple questing made them think that I was raw dogging a bunch of girls and putting their health at risk. Of note, I'm early 40's (pass for younger) and in very good and healthy shape. Regular check ups, etc. It's not like I'm a degenerate looking guy, but regardless the girls won't take the risk.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2824824]I don't try to negociate the rates of the girls in Medellin. I pay usually 500 mil pesos per night with girls, but I do only BBFS. And for the colombian pornstars, I pay between 1 to 2 millions pesos, it depends how famous she is. They all accept bareback easily.

And I love to go casa Ella Erotic, they have few sexy girls! I already met 3 girls there.

I think all girls in Medellin accept BBFS if you pay more.[/QUOTE]Where is casa Ella Erotic? I've been going to Medellin for over 12 years, explored nearly everywhere, and never heard of the place. Perhaps you can share so that we can add to the ISG Medellin map?

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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2825317]A girl next door type can't be a 9 or 10. Unless you live in Bel Air and your neighbor is young Adriana Lima. A girl next door is an average looking chica, maybe in the 6 to 7 range.

Many don't realize that it is extremely difficult to find and score a true stunner, a 9 or a 10. Even those who are p4 p. They are scarce, they are in a very high demand, they are picky who they sleep with because they have plenty of options. Just think about it, a 9/10 or 10/10 are literally in the category of the most beautiful girls you have seen in your life. And some of us are in our 40's, 50's, 60' and 70's. What is the probability of a monger fucking one of the most beautiful girls he has ever met? How many of said girl would an average monger score in his life?

Me personally, I never had a 10. I had only one 9. Maybe 4-5 in the 8/8. 5 range. All others, hundreds of them, were in the 6 to 8 range. So when someone says he scored a 9 or 10, I get skeptical, because most likely he is delusional. Especially when I hear "I paid her 200 mil", "I'm old, ugly, and have no game", etc. Wake the fuck up and adjust your 1-10 scale.[/QUOTE]Can you stop running your mouth and post actual chicas you are sleeping with.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2825317]A girl next door type can't be a 9 or 10. Unless you live in Bel Air and your neighbor is young Adriana Lima. A girl next door is an average looking chica, maybe in the 6 to 7 range.

Many don't realize that it is extremely difficult to find and score a true stunner, a 9 or a 10. Even those who are p4 p. They are scarce, they are in a very high demand, they are picky who they sleep with because they have plenty of options. Just think about it, a 9/10 or 10/10 are literally in the category of the most beautiful girls you have seen in your life. And some of us are in our 40's, 50's, 60' and 70's. What is the probability of a monger fucking one of the most beautiful girls he has ever met? How many of said girl would an average monger score in his life?

Me personally, I never had a 10. I had only one 9. Maybe 4-5 in the 8/8. 5 range. All others, hundreds of them, were in the 6 to 8 range. So when someone says he scored a 9 or 10, I get skeptical, because most likely he is delusional. Especially when I hear "I paid her 200 mil", "I'm old, ugly, and have no game", etc. Wake the fuck up and adjust your 1-10 scale.[/QUOTE]Here's my view. Everyone has different styles of bodies they like from crack skinny to cellulite fat. I think it comes down to face and smile. Beyoncé is thick and pretty Shakira in her 20's was flaca and pretty. Both 9's in their primes. It really comes down to the facial features and smile because the body has to be of the persons liking.

For mongering purposes only the 6-7 range is the highest it gets with the occasional 8-9.

Yes these girls might have bodies that can be 9's and 10's but it always comes down to the face.

Allow me to reintroduce myself: My name is [B]SubCmdr[/B] and I don't tolerate foolishness when it comes to responses to my posts. I give credit where credit is due. And I don't worry about anyone else's dick, just my own.

How another grown man spends his hard earned money is none of my business. Neither is who he chooses to spend it on or who he fucks. I consider that Man Law 101. And I see many violations of those basic principles. I am a "man in the arena". I ignore critics.

But I am always open to suggestions on how to do things differently or how to purchase things a lower cost. Right now in my life, experiences are more important that material things. That means a good time with a 6 is worth way more than boring fuck with a 10. And lets us deal with the numeric scale. My experiences do not invalidate the experiences of any other person posting in this forum. If you don't agree with my numeric scale, rest assured I don't give a fuck what you think. My money, my thoughts, my dick.

I don't travel to fuck. I got more pussy than I can handle where I live. I hope that allows insight into the way I will roll up in here.

Background: I left the (Dis) United States of America (you know the ones that are on the North American continent with Canada to the North and Mexico to the south). I hope my description helps the pendant among you out there and gives you an idea where I received my birth lottery ticket. I now live in the Dominican Republic. I like it there a lot. And I can say that Medellin is head and shoulders above Santo Domingo in terms of sophistication and value. And I will be returning. I had a great trip.

Arrived from SDQ in MDE via Wing. A great airline (at least at this point). Brand new fleet. Attentive staff. Good price Arrived late in the night. Only question was how long was I going to be visiting? My answer was 7 to 10 days. Visa stamped in my passport. Welcome to Colombia. 5 minutes including the line and the stop at immigration.

Checked DUFRY because they are the only place I can get my Jack Dan Bonded-in-Bond 100 proof 1 LT bottle. They did not have any in MDE. Lucky for me I had picked up a bottle on my way out of SDQ. So I was already good. But never hurts to have as man of those bottles on hand as it is the best Jack Daniels I have ever tasted. In fact just writing about it I need to stop for a minute and pour some up. It was so good!

Went to baggage claim. Took longer there than to clear customs. Got my bag. Went through customs screening and I'm good. On my way. Stopped at the casa de cambia that had a smoking blonde. She asks me if I can speak Spanish. I said yes. And she then went into her spiel. I was rather impressed with myself I understood perfectly. Colombians have always spoken a clearer version of Spanish for my ear. Exchange rate was 3800 COP to 1 USD. Only later was I to learn that I took a haircut on that one. I exchanged 100 USD and that was an error. Should have only bought 50 USD worth.

My girl was waiting for me and she warmly greeted me and we were going to be together all week. So stop reading this trip report right now if you want tales of me paying for pussy. Not this trip. I have too many things I need to get done. And I need a guide to walk me through it. Taxi ride to the Airbnb that she found for us was 130,000 COP. These numbers are throwing me but I had enough cash.

Nothing was open on our trip so the 20-Hour Cafe at the base of our apartment complex was it. The finger foods did not look very appealing so, it was bread and water. But a cake with icing caught my eye so I order that water and I think my girl wanted a coke and that was 7500 COP.

Into the apartment building. 24-hour security. Elevator. But we took the stairs up to the 2nd Floor. To a cozy 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment set up to sleep 6 people and we had it all to ourselves for a week. Kitchen, no stove just two gas eyes and two electric eyes. New washing machine. New full size ice box and living room. We chill while I eat and talk with each other. Then it is off to bed.

She lets me choose the bedroom. And choose the one with that only has one in it. She sets up the bed we jump into our night clothes and lights out. But I'm restless, wound up and cannot sleep. She notices this and comes over kisses me and tells me she can help me get to sleep. She goes down like a submarine captain. Then I'm off to sleep.

End of day 1.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2825217]No matter how PSE she could get it will get boring after a while. Speaking from experience. One can only have the same meal over and over again for so long. You eventually won't even notice that once great view from your window. Variety is the spice of life.

No to mention men are wired to spread the seed not to dump it all in one woman. If she can keep herself fresh and new for her man, then she can delay it for a while. Some relationship-jailed men are getting their variety fix from porn, but eventually that's doesn't do either. Women know this of course which is why all the different outfits, makeups and all the pressure to get that most important contract signed ASAP while she's still fuckable and 'new' . Then she can finally relax and start getting fat and lazy. Places with a lot of reasonably priced hookers often keep all the wives honest though. No girls to have fun with -- I just ate a whole cake honey and don't feel like blowing you, order yourself something and go to sleep.[/QUOTE]I would probably hazard a guess that this is the case. I am disinclined to believe the narrative that someone looks outside only because the 8 or 9 Chica at home is lousy in bed. I think the guy just views this as fun activity like some do rock climbing or play poker. This guy occasionally needs a new pussy.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2825282]Where is casa Ella Erotic? I've been going to Medellin for over 12 years, explored nearly everywhere, and never heard of the place. Perhaps you can share so that we can add to the ISG Medellin map?[/QUOTE]Not a walk-in casa. They advertise regularly on photoprepagos and / or mileroticos, and maintain a website ([URL]ellaserotic.com[/URL] if memory serves). Usually 4 to 6 chicas featured, on occasion a genuinely hot one. As typical for such websites, the online photos are heavily doctored. They're located in an apartment on Calle 44 just west of Laureles. Their mode of operation: make appointment in advance by WhatsApp and get the address, though perhaps one could just show up and get a presentation. I vaguely recall going there once and, on finding my appointed date to be a lot chunkier than her photos, was able to check-out the rest of the line-up. (Ended up taking a pass.).

As always, happy hunting.

You said Ellas is not a walk in casa then later said you can walk in and get a presentation. The second statement is correct. You can in fact walk in. Also, they have two locations.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2825445]Not a walk-in casa. They advertise regularly on photoprepagos and / or mileroticos, and maintain a website ([URL]ellaserotic.com[/URL] if memory serves). Usually 4 to 6 chicas featured, on occasion a genuinely hot one. As typical for such websites, the online photos are heavily doctored. They're located in an apartment on Calle 44 just west of Laureles. Their mode of operation: make appointment in advance by WhatsApp and get the address, though perhaps one could just show up and get a presentation. I vaguely recall going there once and, on finding my appointed date to be a lot chunkier than her photos, was able to check-out the rest of the line-up. (Ended up taking a pass.)..[/QUOTE]

The numerical scoring is highly subjective and useless to anyone other than the scorer. I think most of us who live here or are here for extended periods tend to consider factors in addition to physical appearance. It's because we are generally looking for experiences we would enjoy repeating rather than looking to maximize the time on the scene with a pick of the litter approach. I think I understand the difference because when I am on a short foreign trip I find myself in produce market mode looking to pick companions with the fewest appearance defects. Even then I don't think about it in terms of 5 vs 8 vs 3.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2825318]Can you stop running your mouth and post actual chicas you are sleeping with.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2825318]Can you stop running your mouth and post actual chicas you are sleeping with.[/QUOTE]I don't post chicas I'm sleeping with on a public forum.

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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2825493]Yes my GF is all natural. What's the issue?? Ok this is the most I will prove. Both from ig page of my girl.

Obviously a few here can verify me since I've met them in person.

And the first pic is my girl with Ryan Castro during their shoot. A famous artist in Colombia.[/QUOTE]You don't have to prove anything to us. We are just a bunch of anonymous strangers. Just do your thing and don't worry about it. I am happy that you are with a wonderful attractive girl. More power to you, guy.

We all want the same basic thing. To go to Medellin and to have a good time. We don't have to do it better than others. Just do what you want to do, pay what you want to pay, and you don't need to justify anything to anybody. It's your money and you can do what you want with it. Well, that's my belief.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2825406]Allow me to reintroduce myself: My name is [B]SubCmdr[/B] and I don't tolerate foolishness when it comes to responses to my posts. I give credit where credit is due. And I don't worry about anyone else's dick, just my own.

How another grown man spends his hard earned money is none of my business. Neither is who he chooses to spend it on or who he fucks. I consider that Man Law 101. And I see many violations of those basic principles. I am a "man in the arena". I ignore critics.

But I am always open to suggestions on how to do things differently or how to purchase things a lower cost. Right now in my life, experiences are more important that material things. That means a good time with a 6 is worth way more than boring fuck with a 10. And lets us deal with the numeric scale. My experiences do not invalidate the experiences of any other person posting in this forum. If you don't agree with my numeric scale, rest assured I don't give a fuck what you think. My money, my thoughts, my dick.

I don't travel to fuck. I got more pussy than I can handle where I live. I hope that allows insight into the way I will roll up in here...[/QUOTE]It's common knowledge that airports in general give shitty exchange rates, especially Medellin Airport. Taxis from the airport to points in the city are less than 100 k. Also the white buses that leave the airport frequently to the city will only set you back only 13 K. Colectivo Taxis are 30 K to the city. Uber, Beat and DiDi are also available. Try using Rappi to have food delivered to you during late hours. All of this information is easily accessible and quite known.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2825493].. my GF is...[/QUOTE]Nothing like posting ones GF on a public hooker forum with a bunch of personal information disclosed, that has never backfired on anyone, no sir.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2825493]Yes my GF is all natural. What's the issue?? Ok this is the most I will prove. Both from ig page of my girl.

Obviously a few here can verify me since I've met them in person.

And the first pic is my girl with Ryan Castro during their shoot. A famous artist in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Those pics are taken a year apart. And he is the most popular male artist in Colombia. And the only cock in those 2 pics getting any love is mine since I’m holding her up.

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Thank you for your insights [B]MongerHunger[/B]! By sharing factual information it helps me learn. Unfortunately I don't know everything like you seem to imply that you do. So I am glad you took time to share some of your extensive knowledge.

Of course it common knowledge that airports in general give inferior exchange rates. But a man needs currency of the country you arrive in when you first arrive. I am curious to know your solution to this problem since I did not know ahead of time the cost of the taxi ride? This man chooses not to ride the bus his first trip (no need to on any trip actually). Way beyond riding to with a shared taxi in a new city to a place I am unfamiliar with. My girl does not recommend it at anytime (concerns for my personal safety is the reason given).

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2825514]It's common knowledge that airports in general give shitty exchange rates, especially Medellin Airport. Taxis from the airport to points in the city are less than 100 k. Also the white buses that leave the airport frequently to the city will only set you back only 13 K. Colectivo Taxis are 30 K to the city [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2825514]Uber, Beat and DiDi are also available.[/QUOTE]We used uber and yellow taxis exclusively as well as our two feet in the form of walking as you will see I bother to write about the rest of my trip.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2825514]Try using Rappi to have food delivered to you during late hours.[/QUOTE]Something I learned about later. But still have yet to use.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2825514]All of this information is easily accessible and quite known.[/QUOTE][B]In this thread?[/B] No, I looked in at the first two pages of this thread and saw a lot of trash talkers about numerical scale, personal preferences and disagreements over how much one should pay to fuck your pussy. Nah, brother. This forum is pretty much useless as far as I am concerned as a provider of factual information and useable intelligence. Until those two areas return as the focus of the thread my opinion will remain intact. It may be accessible but far from easy. I have reached a point in my life where wading through ten posts of shit to get one nugget of knowledge is not a useful application of my limited time. Fortunately I do not require perfection of myself nor my sexual partners.

Your post and mine are a great start. Glad I have money in my pocket and do not have to worry about being a cheap charley.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2825406]Allow me to reintroduce myself: My name is [B]SubCmdr[/B] and I don't tolerate foolishness when it comes to responses to my posts. I give credit where credit is due. And I don't worry about anyone else's dick, just my own.

How another grown man spends his hard earned money is none of my business. Neither is who he chooses to spend it on or who he fucks. I consider that Man Law 101. And I see many violations of those basic principles. I am a "man in the arena". I ignore critics.

But I am always open to suggestions on how to do things differently or how to purchase things a lower cost. Right now in my life, experiences are more important that material things. That means a good time with a 6 is worth way more than boring fuck with a 10. And lets us deal with the numeric scale. My experiences do not invalidate the experiences of any other person posting in this forum. If you don't agree with my numeric scale, rest assured I don't give a fuck what you think. My money, my thoughts, my dick.

I don't travel to fuck. I got more pussy than I can handle where I live. I hope that allows insight into the way I will roll up in here.

Background: I left the (Dis) United States of America (you know the ones that are on the North American continent with Canada to the North and Mexico to the south). I hope my description helps the pendant among you out there and gives you an idea where I received my birth lottery ticket. I now live in the Dominican Republic. I like it there a lot. And I can say that Medellin is head and shoulders above Santo Domingo in terms of sophistication and value. And I will be returning. I had a great trip.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this report, can't wait to read the rest!

Repyling to an earlier poster about paid sex vs unpaid sex.

I feel much more accomplished when I actually game a girl as opposed to paying for it.

The sex when you pay is actually good or better because generally the girls are hotter if you are 40 and up and they are there to please you. That being said when you pay no matter how good you fuck a girl or how many times you make her cum. your are still paying and she will treat you as such.

My hard rules for girls when I pay is.

1. never ever ever in a million years catch feelings for a girl this is x 10 when you pay.

2. never prepay.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2825488]I don't post chicas I'm sleeping with on a public forum.[/QUOTE]Smart man, your learning.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2824958]I understood your post. I was agreeing with you. No one has anything to prove here.[/QUOTE]So what is the "here" you are referring to in the previous post? ISG or Medellin? I read that it can go both ways but ISG makes more sense to me as the OP said he was happy with his visit already.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2825544]Ok I'm done losers...[/QUOTE]In here, one needs to be selective with response. Would you just have sex with any girl that wants to have sex with you? It's the same thing.

I also think you stereo type certain things and your responses are based on those. Usually it does not help when you also implied that you know Medellin better. For example, BBFS and SW, if you have experience then you will likely know their services are very limited to begin with, many more restrictions than FB, and Seeking. Even Gabacho has explained it before. So it is questionable if you think it is less safe when their services are all covered. That is just one example.

So I am back in Medellin. To my surprise half of my friends are gone to Europe or Mexico. My friend told me there is a group of guys offering girls work in Mexico but it will cost them 20,000,000 cop. In exchange they get a passport, flights and the right to stay in an apartment building. Girls will pay this off by giving half of their earning to the owner. There is another group Spanish guys doing the same thing for Europe. By the end of this month I'll lose another 5 friends.

I don't think Medellin will be a monger destination in a few years. I am sure price will significantly increase because of supply and demand.

If you are Medellin, I am always happy to share my contacts. I rather share my friends than seeing them go to Europe or Mexico.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2825508]You don't have to prove anything to us. We are just a bunch of anonymous strangers. Just do your thing and don't worry about it. I am happy that you are with a wonderful attractive girl. More power to you, guy.

We all want the same basic thing. To go to Medellin and to have a good time. We don't have to do it better than others. Just do what you want to do, pay what you want to pay, and you don't need to justify anything to anybody. It's your money and you can do what you want with it. Well, that's my belief.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Enough about the shoes and the GF! Congrats!

99 percent of us don't care. Move on.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2825595]I don't think Medellin will be a monger destination in a few years. I am sure price will significantly increase because of supply and demand.[/QUOTE]Besides that, the locals want your asses out of there!

[URL]https://youtu.be/lg-sJEbcQ-k[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Jimbox;2825595]So I am back in Medellin. To my surprise half of my friends are gone to Europe or Mexico. My friend told me there is a group of guys offering girls work in Mexico but it will cost them 20,000,000 cop. In exchange they get a passport, flights and the right to stay in an apartment building. Girls will pay this off by giving half of their earning to the owner. There is another group Spanish guys doing the same thing for Europe. By the end of this month I'll lose another 5 friends.

I don't think Medellin will be a monger destination in a few years. I am sure price will significantly increase because of supply and demand.

If you are Medellin, I am always happy to share my contacts. I rather share my friends than seeing them go to Europe or Mexico.[/QUOTE]Yes, I also see a lot of Colombian girls in Costa Rica along with Mexico. Of course, the big jackpot is to be able to go to Europe or America where they can earn big money even.

Here, in the city where I live, there are plenty of Colombians doing business as escorts. There are the high end GFE girls from Colombia charging the standard $250 to $300 per hour and the low end casa girls doing business with mostly the local Latino men at $50 to $60 for 15 minutes, non-GFE all covered. The lower end girls here in the United States are probably the best bang for your buck here. They would be considered your average casa girl in Medellin but are in high demand here in the United States for guys on a budget. They are doing 16-20 guys a day. It is funny that $60 for 15 minutes here in the United States is considered a bargain and the same price in Medellin for an hour is considered expensive. Just the way it is.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2825539]Thank you for your insights [B]MongerHunger[/B]! By sharing factual information it helps me learn. Unfortunately I don't know everything like you seem to imply that you do. So I am glad you took time to share some of your extensive knowledge.

Of course it common knowledge that airports in general give inferior exchange rates. But a man needs currency of the country you arrive in when you first arrive. I am curious to know your solution to this problem since I did not know ahead of time the cost of the taxi ride? This man chooses not to ride the bus his first trip (no need to on any trip actually). Way beyond riding to with a shared taxi in a new city to a place I am unfamiliar with. My girl does not recommend it at anytime (concerns for my personal safety is the reason given)..[/QUOTE]Hope you enjoy your trip SubCmdr. Lots of great info from your posts in the Dominican thread. Official taxi from MDE are 90 k and that includes tolls as the airport is something like a 45 min away from the actual city. Have you considered using a schwabb checking account or capital one checking account and using the debit card (no no fees from these banks) to withdraw money instead of exchanging actual currency? Also, you should try guarapo (cane juice with lime in it. Similar to our united states lemonade, but much better) and bandeja paisa (a meal with a little bit of everything on the plate. It originated in this area). Have fun.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2825604]Besides that, the locals want your asses out of there!

[URL]https://youtu.be/lg-sJEbcQ-k[/URL][/QUOTE]Go back 10 years in this forum they been saying the same thing. It will always be this way. The one thing that has changed is the rent prices even with inflation though. But its always going to be like this, look at Rio. When they closed down Help almost 2 decades ago everyone was saying "oh this is the end of hookers in Rio" its still going strong and still reasonable prices.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2825595] I don't think Medellin will be a monger destination in a few years. I am sure price will significantly increase because of supply and demand.[/QUOTE]Medellin will always be a mongering destination because it's not limited to being a mongering destination for just foreigners.

It's not like in many other mongering destinations around the World that primarily cater to Foreigners.

And mongering in Medellin is unique with so many different ways to roll from the SW's, Facebook, clubs, casa's, bars, independents on the Web, etc. I can't thing of any other mongering venue that has so much to offer mongering wise besides Thailand.

If there wasn't a locals mongering scene here, perhaps Medellin will wane, but I just don't see it happening.

In economic terms, it's still relatively cheap here compared to other mongering destinations, but since Colombia has come out of the "dark ages" from twenty years ago, and with people from abroad working here on US or European salaries, prices of things including pussy seem to be skyrocketing, with no end in sight.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2825595]So I am back in Medellin. To my surprise half of my friends are gone to Europe or Mexico. My friend told me there is a group of guys offering girls work in Mexico but it will cost them 20,000,000 cop. In exchange they get a passport, flights and the right to stay in an apartment building. Girls will pay this off by giving half of their earning to the owner. There is another group Spanish guys doing the same thing for Europe. By the end of this month I'll lose another 5 friends.

I don't think Medellin will be a monger destination in a few years. I am sure price will significantly increase because of supply and demand.

If you are Medellin, I am always happy to share my contacts. I rather share my friends than seeing them go to Europe or Mexico.[/QUOTE]LOL there's new workers turning 18 everyday in Medellin. The price will go up only in the tourist trap areas and for scrubs like MB1.

I'll be in Medellin 17-28 or at least in the pueblos. pm me if anyone wants me to show you any spots around the city.

I am grateful your friends are not representative of the overall availability. The scenario you describe is known as human trafficking. There are also domestic networks that send Medellin based girls to Cucuta and elsewhere in Norte de Santander. As another poster correctly pointed out, none of this is new. The reason I doubt it will have significant impact on the local scene is because new providers come into the game on a constant basis. If it turns out I'm wrong I would be open to relocating. I don't see that happening but time will tell.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2825595]So I am back in Medellin. To my surprise half of my friends are gone to Europe or Mexico. My friend told me there is a group of guys offering girls work in Mexico but it will cost them 20,000,000 cop. In exchange they get a passport, flights and the right to stay in an apartment building. Girls will pay this off by giving half of their earning to the owner. There is another group Spanish guys doing the same thing for Europe. By the end of this month I'll lose another 5 friends.

I don't think Medellin will be a monger destination in a few years. I am sure price will significantly increase because of supply and demand.

If you are Medellin, I am always happy to share my contacts. I rather share my friends than seeing them go to Europe or Mexico.[/QUOTE]

This is the key point and it's obviously more meaningful than what happens to any small sample of acquaintances.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2825791]LOL there's new workers turning 18 everyday in Medellin. The price will go up only in the tourist trap areas and for scrubs like MB1.

I'll be in Medellin 17-28 or at least in the pueblos. pm me if anyone wants me to show you any spots around the city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2825539]Thank you for your insights [B]MongerHunger[/B]! By sharing factual information it helps me learn. Unfortunately I don't know everything like you seem to imply that you do. So I am glad you took time to share some of your extensive knowledge.

Of course it common knowledge that airports in general give inferior exchange rates. But a man needs currency of the country you arrive in when you first arrive. I am curious to know your solution to this problem since I did not know ahead of time the cost of the taxi ride? This man chooses not to ride the bus his first trip (no need to on any trip actually). Way beyond riding to with a shared taxi in a new city to a place I am unfamiliar with. My girl does not recommend it at anytime (concerns for my personal safety is the reason given)..[/QUOTE]Most people use an ATM in the airport to get taxi money.

Add these other locations where you can find large numbers of Colombian providers: Aruba, Panama, St. Maarten / St. Martin, Dominican Republic, Spain, France, UK, and even Medellin.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2825723]Yes, I also see a lot of Colombian girls in Costa Rica along with Mexico. Of course, the big jackpot is to be able to go to Europe or America where they can earn big money even.

Here, in the city where I live, there are plenty of Colombians doing business as escorts. There are the high end GFE girls from Colombia charging the standard $250 to $300 per hour and the low end casa girls doing business with mostly the local Latino men at $50 to $60 for 15 minutes, non-GFE all covered. The lower end girls here in the United States are probably the best bang for your buck here. They would be considered your average casa girl in Medellin but are in high demand here in the United States for guys on a budget. They are doing 16-20 guys a day. It is funny that $60 for 15 minutes here in the United States is considered a bargain and the same price in Medellin for an hour is considered expensive. Just the way it is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2825753] look at Rio. When they closed down Help almost 2 decades ago everyone was saying "oh this is the end of hookers in Rio" itsstill going strong and still reasonable prices.[/QUOTE]It was the end of the freelance market as far as most foreigners were concerned. Most guys would only get chicks from Meia Pataca, Help or Terraco Atlantico (restaurant in front of and connected to Help), and with Help closed down and Meia Pataca being a family restaurant now, you do not see a saturation of gringo mongers as you did before. The most you see these days is a few guys at Mabs late at night. And there is nary a looker at that place as there used to be at Terraco Atlantico when Help was open. That place is more the Star Wars bar these days.

So for the guys that are Poblado or Lleras mongers then they would be affected, but for centro and casa mongers it would be business as usual; same as it is business as usual for Rio guys that go to privees and did not have the Copacabana freelance spots as their bread and butter.

P.S. Help was closed down in 2009, almost 14 years ago.

ATMs are our friends.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2825539]Thank you for your insights [B]MongerHunger[/B]! By sharing factual information it helps me learn. Unfortunately I don't know everything like you seem to imply that you do. So I am glad you took time to share some of your extensive knowledge.

Of course it common knowledge that airports in general give inferior exchange rates. But a man needs currency of the country you arrive in when you first arrive. I am curious to know your solution to this problem since I did not know ahead of time the cost of the taxi ride? This man chooses not to ride the bus his first trip (no need to on any trip actually). Way beyond riding to with a shared taxi in a new city to a place I am unfamiliar with. My girl does not recommend it at anytime (concerns for my personal safety is the reason given)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2825803]Add these other locations where you can find large numbers of Colombian providers: Aruba, Panama, St. Maarten / St. Martin, Dominican Republic, Spain, France, UK, and even Medellin.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mtndew704;2825791]LOL there's new workers turning 18 everyday in Medellin. The price will go up only in the tourist trap areas and for scrubs like MB1.

I'll be in Medellin 17-28 or at least in the pueblos. pm me if anyone wants me to show you any spots around the city.[/QUOTE]I don't know how to pm but I will be in town during the same dates and would love to see the pueblos and chicas LOL.

Adapt or perish.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2825805]It was the end of the freelance market as far as most foreigners were concerned. Most guys would only get chicks from Meia Pataca, Help or Terraco Atlantico (restaurant in front of and connected to Help), and with Help closed down and Meia Pataca being a family restaurant now, you do not see a saturation of gringo mongers as you did before. The most you see these days is a few guys at Mabs late at night. And there is nary a looker at that place as there used to be at Terraco Atlantico when Help was open. That place is more the Star Wars bar these days.

So for the guys that are Poblado or Lleras mongers then they would be affected, but for centro and casa mongers it would be business as usual; same as it is business as usual for Rio guys that go to privees and did not have the Copacabana freelance spots as their bread and butter.

P.S. Help was closed down in 2009, almost 14 years ago.[/QUOTE]

Any recommendations for a dentist? I just need a routine cleaning and if they can do x-rays n shit that would be great too. Been a few years since I been to the dentist.

[QUOTE=MilleMiglia;2825547]Thank you for this report, can't wait to read the rest![/QUOTE]Thank you brother [B]MilleMiglia[/B]! I wasn't going to write the rest up until I saw your message. Many individuals positing either know it all or have issues. They are like the two old muppets on the balcony, grumpy, angry and complaining about everything.

[U]Here you go brother:[/U]

As I sit down to write this next installment of my trip report, I am having a cup of coffee brewed from Colombia 100% Arabica Cafe Britt Pitalito Laboyano Huila. It was harsh initially. But as it cooled off taste mellowed. A strong full bodied brew that I relished and made me wish I was back in Colombia. Now onto the good stuff.

As I said before, I'm wifed up this week so good sex and conversation or was it good conversation then sex. I'm hungry. We shower up and I got to have my North American Style Breakfast (you know the style from the United States of America not Canada or Mexico). Hope that gives some clarity on type of breakfast I am looking for.

Uber to Poblado. First trip in Medellin it's daylight and I'm all eyes. Shooting photos like a damn tourist (cause I am) and really enjoying the trip. We arrived at Dandre. 8800 COP. And I'm loving it. They are serving breakfast like a boss. And I know of what I speak. As I made money while going to university being a brunch chief on the weekends. My standards are high. A place needs to equal or be better than what I can produce in my own kitchen. And this place was. Water and coffee. Pancakes, bacon (crisp the way I like it) and scrambled eggs hard. My girl does not like breakfast, so she found something on the lunch menu (a sandwich) they were serving and it was chow down time. Breakfast was rocking and I was happy. Already my vacation is starting out well because I can't get anything close to this in a restaurant where I live. Bill comes: 85,441 COP.

We out and we are walking. I have no idea where I am but along the walk is a money exchange place. Much better rate than at the airport (I'm making [B]MongerHunter[/B] look like a mother fucking genius): 4100 COP to USD. Grab my stack. But I am still tripping on the numbers. 4000 COP = 1 USD, 20,000 COP = 5 USD. Ok, making a little mental progress. We keep walking to a park to investigate a day trip. That is done and I want to see a mall. We hop in a yellow taxi to Santafe: 8950.

We hit the mall and I am complete amazed by what I see. Modern mall that rivals anything I have seen during all of my world travels. I had no idea. As we are walking I catch a glimpse of one of my favorite type of stores. Sunglasses. And I'm checking them out. Found a bad ass pair in burgundy, mirrored, no frame, (oakley style) and buying them. With my decision made my girl is like "what about me". I'm like, find a pair you like. She looks, and looks and looks and finally declares she does not like any of them and that they are too expensive. Suit yourself. Take me to where your buy your sunglasses and I'll get you a pair. Plastic in hand and I'm adding 299,800 to the local economy. Yes!

We keep walking and happen upon a Dollar City. Are you kidding me? My date explains how the store works. Says it is one of her favorite. We are in and we are shopping. I need office supplies a few things for the apartment that were important to me. Some water and other various things. We got the cart together so I told my girl to throw in what she wanted. She stopped to try on sunglasses. Found a pair she liked. And told me that is how she shops. Hit the caja: 115100 COP. We rolling. Uber from Sanafe to outside of El Centro: 10,500 COP. And we are walking in, to meet the sister my girl. I am just taking in sights, We get to their destination and they do their business inside the store. I'm on the street just observing. I see a fruit cart. 2000 COP for 6 Bananas. Give me the bag! I'm off. They are back from their task and surprised I didn't get myself into trouble and was able to make a purchase on my own. We say good bye to her sister and her sisters child and we break in other direction. We are headed to the salon and we have and appointment. She is getting hair washed and styled, Mani / pedi, Gel nails on her fingers and toes and I'm getting the mani / pedi. Everything on me. I am telling you the Colombians are about their business. The best mani / pedi I have ever gotten in my life. My nails a gleaming. Don't look cause they will blind you. We both looking like million bucks and I get the bill. 135,000 COP for us both. WTF? While waiting for here to finish I took some picture and placed up a bottle of lotion for 15,000 COP.

We are walking and it is night at this time. And we are en route to San Diego for food. It was a serious walk. But walking is good for me. All I got is my health and enjoyment of my life. Finally we arrive at San Diego food court and it is time to eat. I'm hungry after that walk. She tells me Bananza Parrilla is good. So I'm looking at the food in the pictures, the food on the grill and the food going out to the clients and yes, indeed is it looks good. I put in my order. 53,400 COP. Yikes what did I order? This numbers are still messing with my head. She goes to her favorite chicken place: 21900 COP. Ok, so hers is less than half of mine so it can't be all that bad. They give me an electronic thing to call me back. I'm tripping. Real service at a food court. My food is ready and what and eye feast. And it tastes just as good. I take a before and after picture. I tore it up. We walk back to our apartment and I stop at the 24 -hour cafe for some cake 2500 COP. Starting to get a feel for the money here. Up to the apartment. Oh, my girl. Well sex is a given and she lets me flood the zone. Nothing to really report there. I don't know what her demand is. Or what market she is in. But I'm sure one of these experts on prostituion will try to tell me something about how a real relationship should work based on the extensive knowledge of pay for play they have developed while playing baseball in Medellin.

What a day! Amazing! Someone told me that if I was not happy visiting Medellin, I should not return. I won't be listing to that guy. It is a good thing I learned a long time ago to take a look at things with my own eyes and make my own evaluations.

I lost 7. 31 USD on my first change of money. Ooops. I could have looked for an ATM. They are not my friends. And I guess if you have never had a transaction denied or a card snatched from you by the ATM machine then I understand individuals who have absolute blind faith in how computer systems work. Rely on the plastic and never carry cash, never has happened for the 34 countries of the world I have visited. And not going to happen in the future. Considering that I bought AAPL using my Charles Schwab brokerage account when it was 10 maybe I have a reason for doing what I do when I do it. I forgot that I no longer travel as a diplomat and no one is waiting for me at the airport with my envelope of local currency and security briefing.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2825860]Adapt or perish.[/QUOTE]Or just complain relentlessly about the need to adapt. That seems to be the preferred response.

[QUOTE=MiamiPilot;2824570]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (even tough I explained him all safety tips) Lots of gangs are fishing American tourists and spiking your drinks or blowing something to your face or even putting on something to their tits and after you lick or smell you wake up with an empty bank account after 48 hours. If you are married, your wife can go crazy. You end up into police station. They are doing a big nothing for you. There is no way to escape from this danger. They are using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours. Then they are professional about hacking phones and emptying your all accounts, cash apps etc.[/QUOTE]Clearly, you don't know ALL the safety tips. Why the hell are you going out to clubs or venues (foreign) with your credit cards. Most credit cards you can lock. Lock all CC before going out or simply don't bring them. Majority of cards you can do a limit on daily withdrawal. Only take cash. Photo copy passport and leave somewhere else safe. Like a safe or under TV. IPhones are not easily hackable. You can always have a shit debit / credit card with 50 $ on it. Any girl that approaches I am on HIGH alert. If you go on an APP. Almost every girl wants $$ this is where you set the rules and you clearly tell her you know about the rampant spiking and there is nothing valuable on me and you want a photocopy of her ID.

I always have an extra cheap ass phone. You can always pay for a local dude to cover your back or a friend. Are you a Miami pilot? First thing these guys do is show off they are a pilot and have money. In some form or fashion. I always try to appear broke or poor to some extent because the girl spiking your shit doesn't want to take risk on no poor dude.

Fucking A have we've not learn from escorts. They want photos of your driver license, social media, screening. Unfortunately men have to do the same thing in places like Medelin at this current time. Unless your an OG and really know your shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2825604]Besides that, the locals want your asses out of there!

[URL]https://youtu.be/lg-sJEbcQ-k[/URL][/QUOTE]Exactly. I posted a while back about medellin not being so welcoming.

[QUOTE=MiamiPilot;2824570]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (even tough I explained him all safety tips) Lots of gangs are fishing American tourists and spiking your drinks or blowing something to your face or even putting on something to their tits and after you lick or smell you wake up with an empty bank account after 48 hours. If you are married, your wife can go crazy. You end up into police station. They are doing a big nothing for you. There is no way to escape from this danger. They are using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours. Then they are professional about hacking phones and emptying your all accounts, cash apps etc.[/QUOTE]Stop with the outlandish exaggerations. 7 k. 20 k.

You guys man. If your going to tell us a story make it believable. I know guys you have gotten robbed but not much liquid cash. Maybe a couple thousand in the safe.

Now. Equipment such as computers, ect. Yes I know many especially credit cards, debit cards, passports, etc that I been taken due to being drugged and not locking their valuables up. I call them carless horny dogs LOL.

The criminals usually cannot purchase things online with your credit cards unless they have your zip code as well. The zip code your cards are attached too.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2825912]Or just complain relentlessly about the need to adapt. That seems to be the preferred response.[/QUOTE]Well many of the newcomers here don't know how it was here prior to the Pandemic and don't need to adapt meaning adjusting to the new conditions.

Hence when they see all the posts by guys who have been here awhile, who are complaining, myself included, I understand where their coming from.

All the bitching and moaning about the past does no good.

Albeit at least I have some very fond memories of perhaps what one might call a bygone era here with the turning point being the Pandemic.

[QUOTE=NycNative1;2825843]I don't know how to pm but I will be in town during the same dates and would love to see the pueblos and chicas LOL.[/QUOTE]You have to pay for a membership to PM.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2825879]Any recommendations for a dentist? I just need a routine cleaning and if they can do x-rays n shit that would be great too. Been a few years since I been to the dentist.[/QUOTE]Across from the San Antonio Exito is the La Oriental Mall next to the main police station. Upstairs has 3-4 different dentist offices with a place that can do all the X-rays in the same building. Even that International Smiles place does not have X-ray equipment.

FYI International Smiles tried to more than double my implant cost when it was time to put them in!

[QUOTE=MiamiPilot;2824570]I suggest to everybody to stay away from Medellin. I was robbed $7 k and my friend $20 k (using the well-known apps and beautiful girls. If you don't drink anything they will blow to your face or put something on their tits and you will sleep like a baby min 36 hours.[/QUOTE]Every case I've heard about first hand with drugging, the girl was offering free sex. I'm not going to avoid Medellin. But I'm 60+ and I am going to avoid beautiful girls who offer me free sex because there is a VERY good chance it's not free and not sex. And if you're married: Bring the wife with you and I'm sure you'll be fine.

The pandemic era itself was not so bad really. My major regret was having spent more time than is ideal reading the Blakman / Slapshot back and forth. Just kidding, that was good fun too. I can remember laughing about guys having a go at them and the rest of us who were here for everything from spending too little or too much, spreading coronavirus, and even being asked to prove we were really here. These days, I have more than enough fun that I don't spend much time reminiscing about past glory. I've had plenty of great times here going back to the days of the 1800 pesos to the USD and I look forward to lots more good times in the years to come.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2826208]Well many of the newcomers here don't know how it was here prior to the Pandemic and don't need to adapt meaning adjusting to the new conditions.

Hence when they see all the posts by guys who have been here awhile, who are complaining, myself included, I understand where their coming from.

All the bitching and moaning about the past does no good.

Albeit at least I have some very fond memories of perhaps what one might call a bygone era here with the turning point being the Pandemic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2826261]Every case I've heard about first hand with drugging, the girl was offering free sex. I'm not going to avoid Medellin. But I'm 60+ and I am going to avoid beautiful girls who offer me free sex because there is a VERY good chance it's not free and not sex. And if you're married: Bring the wife with you and I'm sure you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]None of the people that I know that have been drugged were offered free sex. They were paying, but got more than they bargained for.

[QUOTE=TheMan31;2826204]Stop with the outlandish exaggerations. 7 k. 20 k.

You guys man. If your going to tell us a story make it believable. I know guys you have gotten robbed but not much liquid cash. Maybe a couple thousand in the safe.

Now. Equipment such as computers, ect. Yes I know many especially credit cards, debit cards, passports, etc that I been taken due to being drugged and not locking their valuables up. I call them carless horny dogs LOL.

The criminals usually cannot purchase things online with your credit cards unless they have your zip code as well. The zip code your cards are attached too.[/QUOTE]Zip code? I don't have one so not likely that is going to help.

But I do want to check this out. How to have my credit and debit cards, accounts, etc. Safe before my next trip.

Hey fellas!

Its been about 5 years since my last trip to Medellin. I was planning a post-Covid return. Been reading the forum a bit.

I don't see any mention of the Medellin Mansion anymore. Is it still operating? IF so, has it changed in some way? Back in the day, at least a third of the discussion on the Medellin forum was about the Mansion.

I realize that this question may come off as clueless if its old news. But I love that place. I hope it didn't close.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Manny51;2826569]...

I don't see any mention of the Medellin Mansion anymore. Is it still operating? IF so, has it changed in some way? Back in the day, at least a third of the discussion on the Medellin forum was about the Mansion....[/QUOTE]It's been mentioned recently.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2824556]Why not just stay at the Mansion? Totally safe, every girl who enters is registered and ID checked, girls hanging out daytime, on premise club with girls, most guests don't speak english so girls are google translate familiar, etc. Seems so much easier for your situation.[/QUOTE]

So, a Tinder hit. Age listed as 21. Asked me for 400,000 COP. I asked if she was special. She sent me a "question mark". I told her that was a lot. She said: "Ok, Fue un gusto". End of conversation.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2826208]Well many of the newcomers here don't know how it was here prior to the Pandemic and don't need to adapt meaning adjusting to the new conditions.

Hence when they see all the posts by guys who have been here awhile, who are complaining, myself included, I understand where their coming from.

All the bitching and moaning about the past does no good.

Albeit at least I have some very fond memories of perhaps what one might call a bygone era here with the turning point being the Pandemic.[/QUOTE]Surfer, I was there pre-pandemic and right afterwards. You were too right? Those two or three months after the lockdowns ended were the greatest months of pussy I had ever had. There was no way it was going to stay like that. You had the lockdowns for 9 months right? When that ended, the women were ready to fuck anyone or anything.

Are there any groups (discord, here, FB, etc) for planning on meeting up for drinks?

I'll be engaging in my 3rd tour. Always been solo, but would like to meet people this time. I'm 25 and work remotely.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2826619]Surfer, I was there pre-pandemic and right afterwards. You were too right? Those two or three months after the lockdowns ended were the greatest months of pussy I had ever had. There was no way it was going to stay like that. You had the lockdowns for 9 months right? When that ended, the women were ready to fuck anyone or anything.[/QUOTE]Yes I left four days before the lockdown and returned when Colombia opened back up 8 months later. My friends here told me how horrific things where here and having to stay holed up.

I'm glad I left because I would of went stir crazy. I returned before the vaccines came out in November and it was totally crazy pussy wise as you describe.

Conceptually speaking for all the new comers here, meaning post pandemic guys, imagine all the pussy available with few foreign and local clients.

The locals at this time were very cash poor with no disposable income being shut out of work, so Centro was like being at a Dollar store.

A buyers market for sure, but that changed rapidly when Colombia was wide open, and SEA and the rest of the World was shut down and mongers from all over the World started showing up here in droves.

This is the worst change in my opinion as to what has happened here.

Albeit Medellin was getting increased monger attention before the Pandemic, if there had been no Pandemic, there would be a lot less mongers here today.

And for all the new mongers showing up here, and seeing how inexpensive it is, and how good it can be, a lot of them aren't going back to SEA, and I don't blame them, albeit I always enjoyed going there.

Just had my 1st trip to COL in BOG which was awesome and of course have my eyes set on MDE, CAR. Is it generally true that club girls in MDE cost more than BOG? While I can't find consistent rates factoring in time, I'm reading that more often MDE will have girls quoting $150, $200+ for sessions. My 2 Santa Fe / BOG visits I was reliably getting quotes for 90 K-110 K ($26 max) for 20 min sessions, so $80 an hour. And I'm pretty stingy on only conventionally attractive girls (fit or enhanced), so it wasn't the street urchins. They didn't have the immaculate super model looks, but these were from legit 8's 9's Even the Eroticas Bogotas site, which does MDE girls too, was around 330 K per hour so near $100/ HR adding in some extras.

Is there truly inflation in MDE vs BOG? Would make sense from posts I see about the gringos in MDE, while in BOG I saw zero foreigners. Plus Santa Fe / BOG can be very sketchy and from YouTube videos it seems the club areas of Poblado like Gusto Isla are a little safer and more "luxury". Planning my next trip, so while MDE seems worth at least 1 gamble, BOG is far easier to get to for a short 3 day trip as I'm able to get a direct flight, vs always losing 1 day and stress for connections in SAm for MDE.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2826758]Just had my 1st trip to COL in BOG which was awesome and of course have my eyes set on MDE, CAR. Is it generally true that club girls in MDE cost more than BOG? While I can't find consistent rates factoring in time, I'm reading that more often MDE will have girls quoting $150, $200+ for sessions. My 2 Santa Fe / BOG visits I was reliably getting quotes for 90 K-110 K ($26 max) for 20 min sessions, so $80 an hour. And I'm pretty stingy on only conventionally attractive girls (fit or enhanced), so it wasn't the street urchins. They didn't have the immaculate super model looks, but these were from legit 8's 9's Even the Eroticas Bogotas site, which does MDE girls too, was around 330 K per hour so near $100/ HR adding in some extras.

Is there truly inflation in MDE vs BOG? Would make sense from posts I see about the gringos in MDE, while in BOG I saw zero foreigners. Plus Santa Fe / BOG can be very sketchy and from YouTube videos it seems the club areas of Poblado like Gusto Isla are a little safer and more "luxury". Planning my next trip, so while MDE seems worth at least 1 gamble, BOG is far easier to get to for a short 3 day trip as I'm able to get a direct flight, vs always losing 1 day and stress for connections in SAm for MDE.[/QUOTE]Once in a blue I reply only to help fellow readers from being confused or getting bad intel. You can't compare Santa Fe Bogota with Parque Lleras in El Poblado Medellin. Are you high? Those two areas shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

Santa Fe in Bogota is a dirty street, it is quite safe although it looks like it may not be. The place in Medellin it compares to is El Centro, Medellin. Now pricings will be similar and Medellin is even cheaper in the streeets. Clubs in el centro Medellin like barra ejecutiva competes with Santa's Fe's Troya / fiebre (def more in Santa Fe) with similar costs for drinks and girls.

So it's El Centro Medellin Vs Santa Fe Bogota = They will compete hard in terms of cost and street girls availability and clubs.

Gusto and other semi upscale clubs in Medellin cannot be compared to anything in Bogota, since there's no Gringo central area like El Poblado Medellin. But if you need to visit upscale clubs in Bogota, there are many and they're just spread out especially north (Chapinero, Zona G etc), where you will pay easily $150-$500 usd hourly plus club fee to take out. Way more upscale and ridiculously expensive than Medellin.

But honestly many gringos and old skool mongers prefer Bog since it's low key, rarely any gringo or weekend warriors in sight since those fools don't know how to navigate Bogota, it's a huge city, which I also like. In Bogota you have to worry less about seeing yourself in a youtube video like you will in El Poblado LOL.

Once you take away the gringo avail effect from any city, prices are similar, so no real inflation. The price diff you see is just Stupid gringos being taken advantage of by smart hawkers everywhere. That is all.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2826784]Once in a blue I reply only to help fellow readers from being confused or getting bad intel. You can't compare Santa Fe Bogota with Parque Lleras in El Poblado Medellin. Are you high? Those two areas shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

Santa Fe in Bogota is a dirty street, it is quite safe although it looks like it may not be. The place in Medellin it compares to is El Centro, Medellin. Now pricings will be similar and Medellin is even cheaper in the streeets. Clubs in el centro Medellin like barra ejecutiva competes with Santa's Fe's Troya / fiebre (def more in Santa Fe) with similar costs for drinks and girls.

So it's El Centro Medellin Vs Santa Fe Bogota = They will compete hard in terms of cost and street girls availability and clubs.

Gusto and other semi upscale clubs in Medellin cannot be compared to anything in Bogota, since there's no Gringo central area like El Poblado Medellin. But if you need to visit upscale clubs in Bogota, there are many and they're just spread out especially north (Chapinero, Zona G etc), where you will pay easily $150-$500 usd hourly plus club fee to take out. Way more upscale and ridiculously expensive than Medellin.

But honestly many gringos and old skool mongers prefer Bog since it's low key, rarely any gringo or weekend warriors in sight since those fools don't know how to navigate Bogota, it's a huge city, which I also like. In Bogota you have to worry less about seeing yourself in a youtube video like you will in El Poblado LOL.

Once you take away the gringo avail effect from any city, prices are similar, so no real inflation. The price diff you see is just Stupid gringos being taken advantage of by smart hawkers everywhere. That is all.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the elaboration for the well thought out answer. As I wrote I've never been to MDE and only went to BOG 1 x so being eager for another trip I wanted to get my bearings. I've had mixed DMs and posts I read so I am appreciative, I didn't think my question was propagating anything. I avoided in BOG the upscale north spots like Lido due to some reports quoting 500-800 K rates. Plus I know I'm going to get fleeced with gringo tax. I'm MIA & ATL based where it's not hard to get $600/ HR, so I'm trying to be well under $200 factoring in travel costs / time. With the varied reports I was unsure. I'm definitely a "safe" club guy, and expected avg talent in SF but there was a good numbers of stunners that stopped me in tracks. So if the Poblados / Gustos are a clear tier higher in talent that makes me even more excited for MDE. Only thing I can do is nut up like every one else & see for myself. Again I appreciate the lay out because before my impression of Centro was that it was low quality, but if it's on equal footing as SF which exceeded my expectations.

In the mood for a hot MILF. If anyone knows one (30's to low 40's), good shape, not too much tattoos, please dm me. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2826548]None of the people that I know that have been drugged were offered free sex. They were paying, but got more than they bargained for.[/QUOTE]Any links to any first hand accounts here, on youtube, in the media in Spanish or English? I belong to a facebook group for Medellin drugging victims. They've never heard of a problem with a working girl. It's always "I'm 56 from Dallas and I met this hot 20 year old Colombian girl on tinder. We went to her apartment etc" You know the rest.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2826948]In the mood for a hot MILF. If anyone knows one (30's to low 40's), good shape, not too much tattoos, please dm me. Thanks![/QUOTE]New to ISG but not to USASG, any intel would be appreciated.

I haven't been in Medellin since 2019, so I'm wondering how things are currently. For the El Centro and Lleras girls, is kissing standard, like DFK, or do I have to ask for it? Is BBBJ still standard or do I have to ask for it? Generally, how are the girls about taking pics or videos? (of course, I ask in the room, not on the street). Tijuana girls won't let me kiss the nipples. That's not a problem in MDE right?

My Spanish tutor lives in Bogota and told me the story of the 4 children aged 13 to 1 that survived for 40 days in the Jungle. The baby was only 11 months old and they all had no food or water and just survived. The 11 month old is a little girl. I'm a million percent sure that she is the toughest baby in the world. I wonder what she thinks this world is? Those kids are so brave they should be offered US citizenship by default. We need people like them. The more I read about this story the more amazed I become. Supposedly a dog found the children but got lost and they are searching for the dog now / still. I have basic survival skills ie find water, make shelter but I don't think I'the last more than 7 days. It's an amazing true story.

[QUOTE=Manny51;2826569]Hey fellas!

Its been about 5 years since my last trip to Medellin. I was planning a post-Covid return. Been reading the forum a bit.

I don't see any mention of the Medellin Mansion anymore. Is it still operating? IF so, has it changed in some way? Back in the day, at least a third of the discussion on the Medellin forum was about the Mansion.

I realize that this question may come off as clueless if its old news. But I love that place. I hope it didn't close.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I hear the Castillo is a private residence now.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2825879]Any recommendations for a dentist? I just need a routine cleaning and if they can do x-rays n shit that would be great too. Been a few years since I been to the dentist.[/QUOTE]I have had very good experience with: Natural Odontologia, Laureles, Circular 2 #71 39.

You can make an appointment via Whatsapp.

They put in 2 new crowns for me, it was fast, cheap and good work in my opinion.

As I remember, the cleaning was about 120.000 COP.

A lot of girls I've met are from Bello. Has any of you actually been to Bello? Jardin botanico is as far north as I've been in Medellin. Would like to check out Bello, would I run into issues walking around there as a gringo? If you want to join me, send a dm.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2827153]A lot of girls I've met are from Bello. Has any of you actually been to Bello? Jardin botanico is as far north as I've been in Medellin. Would like to check out Bello, would I run into issues walking around there as a gringo? If you want to join me, send a dm.[/QUOTE]I have been to just about every part of Bello at sometime in the past dozen years so "Been there and Done that" time and again, matter of fact I will be there this afternoon. Last night was in Manrique with some local party barrio novias, got to love the barrio chicas. Get out of Medellin and certainly the hell hole Poblado.

TTM.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2827153]A lot of girls I've met are from Bello. Has any of you actually been to Bello? Would like to check out Bello, would I run into issues walking around there as a gringo?[/QUOTE]Have been out there many times. Parque Obrero is where I usually go. Its a Zona Rosa with many clubs and bars. Lots of local talent around. I felt as safe there as I do in any other location in MDE. Manrique, El Centro, Barrio Antioquia, Itague, Boston, Campo Valdes, Castilla. That is to say I felt pretty safe.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2827163]Have been out there many times. Parque Obrero is where I usually go. Its a Zona Rosa with many clubs and bars. Lots of local talent around. I felt as safe there as I do in any other location in MDE. Manrique, El Centro, Barrio Antioquia, Itague, Boston, Campo Valdes, Castilla. That is to say I felt pretty safe.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/el-coctel-que-se-ha-llevado-la-vida-de-los-extranjeros-en-medellin-BD19380742[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2827157]I have been to just about every part of Bello at sometime in the past dozen years so "Been there and Done that" time and again, matter of fact I will be there this afternoon. Last night was in Manrique with some local party barrio novias, got to love the barrio chicas. Get out of Medellin and certainly the hell hole Poblado.

TTM.[/QUOTE]How does one join you for these barrio parties? I love getting out of the tourist areas and will be back in Medellin next week.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2826948]In the mood for a hot MILF. If anyone knows one (30's to low 40's), good shape, not too much tattoos, please dm me. Thanks![/QUOTE]Sounds like my Manrique MILF jajaja.

[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2827181][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/el-coctel-que-se-ha-llevado-la-vida-de-los-extranjeros-en-medellin-BD19380742[/URL][/QUOTE]Not sure why you posted this in relation to a question about safety in Bello. Does Bello have a higher murder rate or criime rate?

I will travel solo to Medellin and want to join a sex tourist group. Basically, arrange me for to visit nightclubs, and hunt girls?

Could anybody suggest some webpage or links so that I can find one, or a sex tourist guide?

In addition, could you point me the website for Mansion and how is the quality of girls there? I will only stay for two days, so I want to find a place with deterministic good-quality girls.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=DondeSea72;2827071]My Spanish tutor lives in Bogota and told me the story of the 4 children aged 13 to 1 that survived for 40 days in the Jungle. The baby was only 11 months old and they all had no food or water and just survived. The 11 month old is a little girl. I'm a million percent sure that she is the toughest baby in the world. I wonder what she thinks this world is? Those kids are so brave they should be offered US citizenship by default. We need people like them. The more I read about this story the more amazed I become. Supposedly a dog found the children but got lost and they are searching for the dog now / still. I have basic survival skills ie find water, make shelter but I don't think I'the last more than 7 days. It's an amazing true story.[/QUOTE]If you have water, that is the main thing. People go on complete water fasts for over a month. Myself I have fasted for 7 days with no problem. Your right those kids were awesome. I bet the leader of the group was the key.

Looking for recent reports or feedback on swinger clubs. Old threads are outdated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2827461]I will travel solo to Medellin and want to join a sex tourist group. Basically, arrange me for to visit nightclubs, and hunt girls?

Could anybody suggest some webpage or links so that I can find one, or a sex tourist guide?

In addition, could you point me the website for Mansion and how is the quality of girls there? I will only stay for two days, so I want to find a place with deterministic good-quality girls.

Thank you![/QUOTE]What you are asking for is not something you will probably find. These sorts of groups cross the line of what is legal, and I think it is safe to say that authorities wish they would cease to exist, so whether legal or not they will bring trouble on themselves. Sex tourism is considered an "evil" by general society there. So the closest to a webpage or guide you will find is this forum, where people merely share their experiences but are not doing it for profit or for personal gain of any kind.

As for the mansion I don't have the website off the top of my head, but it is easy to find if you search under the Casa Blanca thread or probably in several other threads. I don't know what you mean by "deterministic good quality girls". Quality is very individual, and no two people will have the same experience. No one tells them what they need to do or provide, they are totally independent and so there is no way to assure you of anything on that.

I look for erotic models for casting, from a curious girl doing a one-timer to a model / s for long-term contract term contract.

Typically Pocahontas girls 9-10, even super-voluptous girls are welcome or blonded girls with brown / dark eyes.

Success means leaving poverty fo life, while one time meetings for 100-250 not really solve anything for a girl here.

The stigma doing prno is nothing to compared before the Pandemic.

Are the the moment collecting the principal and planning all legal, technical, administraitve, promotion that ash to be done.

If you know any such girl that would be interested, please PM me.

Pierre.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2827461]I will travel solo to Medellin and want to join a sex tourist group. Basically, arrange me for to visit nightclubs, and hunt girls?

Could anybody suggest some webpage or links so that I can find one, or a sex tourist guide?

In addition, could you point me the website for Mansion and how is the quality of girls there? I will only stay for two days, so I want to find a place with deterministic good-quality girls.

Thank you![/QUOTE]The Mansion - [URL]hotelmedellinplaza.com[/URL] , email them for room availability.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2827845]What you are asking for is not something you will probably find. These sorts of groups cross the line of what is legal, and I think it is safe to say that authorities wish they would cease to exist, so whether legal or not they will bring trouble on themselves. Sex tourism is considered an "evil" by general society there. So the closest to a webpage or guide you will find is this forum, where people merely share their experiences but are not doing it for profit or for personal gain of any kind.

As for the mansion I don't have the website off the top of my head, but it is easy to find if you search under the Casa Blanca thread or probably in several other threads. I don't know what you mean by "deterministic good quality girls". Quality is very individual, and no two people will have the same experience. No one tells them what they need to do or provide, they are totally independent and so there is no way to assure you of anything on that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2827845]What you are asking for is not something you will probably find. These sorts of groups cross the line of what is legal, and I think it is safe to say that authorities wish they would cease to exist, so whether legal or not they will bring trouble on themselves. Sex tourism is considered an "evil" by general society there. So the closest to a webpage or guide you will find is this forum, where people merely share their experiences but are not doing it for profit or for personal gain of any kind.

As for the mansion I don't have the website off the top of my head, but it is easy to find if you search under the Casa Blanca thread or probably in several other threads. I don't know what you mean by "deterministic good quality girls". Quality is very individual, and no two people will have the same experience. No one tells them what they need to do or provide, they are totally independent and so there is no way to assure you of anything on that.[/QUOTE]On Colombian-Cupid there are girl active all the time looking for short term meetings. This site is officially a romance site but many many of the girls are both easy available, not to expensive and often very beautiful.

You need Spanish at medium level otherwise it will be very frustrating to communicate.

No group or mansion are necessary, girls today are their own bosses and you can ask a girl in the street, on social media, romance site, whatever; there are +4 million people in Greater Medellin, 2 million females, the group 18-35 is a huge part of he population, but they are also many multiples more since they come to Medellin from villages or small towns or other cities so maybe girls 18-35 looking good and looking for any opportunities are 5 times more than in a normal for a city in Colombia. Its like a magnet!

Authorities and society, employers in general pay so low wages that beauty, sensuality, elegance, fitness becomes much more important than in a normal Western society. The pretty girls get they money.

Around 75% are poor at least, 25% don't need your money and live middle-class lives. But even among middle-class girls, many want more money, vacations, expensive gifts, especially from tourists and high level positioned guys. Prepagismo is not the exact th same as prostitution, itäs often a kind a side project, even if they have a BF or husband, it's built in the culture since decades if not centuries. There are maybe 50,000-100,000 9-s, 10-s in Medellin 18-35 offering their services. Hard to calculate, but too many to handle. My estimate is probably to low!

Many semi-prepagos can be converted to GF and future wife. There are also an enourmous amount of webcam models. They you can offer some of them a meeting IRL and get it!. There are no real boundaries, limits between novia, webcam-model, prepago, girls here just act short there since life here is so insecure and it has been so since. Ever. But of course, there a cadre of 25-35% that are really serious!

Girls you can get in any poor country, but the difference is that in Medellin the majority is BEAUTIFUL, not ugly! And often very nice to be with. Costenas are even more nicer, though not nearly so beautiful, , but the Caribbean heat is simply too much.

Medellin also has a lot of other things to offer; the 80-90% of the time, when you are not thinking or being with girls there are both interesting and fun things to do. And the climate is simply perfect, 365 days a year.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2827845]What you are asking for is not something you will probably find. These sorts of groups cross the line of what is legal, and I think it is safe to say that authorities wish they would cease to exist, so whether legal or not they will bring trouble on themselves. Sex tourism is considered an "evil" by general society there. So the closest to a webpage or guide you will find is this forum, where people merely share their experiences but are not doing it for profit or for personal gain of any kind.

As for the mansion I don't have the website off the top of my head, but it is easy to find if you search under the Casa Blanca thread or probably in several other threads. I don't know what you mean by "deterministic good quality girls". Quality is very individual, and no two people will have the same experience. No one tells them what they need to do or provide, they are totally independent and so there is no way to assure you of anything on that.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for the information. ""deterministic good quality girls", I mean a place where there are plenty of girls, and I can anyway have a very large chance to find 1-2 girls that are my type or at least at medium quality, just like FKK sharks. I do not want to go a place where I stay for a whole night, but can only find undesired girls (e. G. Fat, or not good-looking, etc.)

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828054]On Colombian-Cupid there are girl active all the time looking for short term meetings. This site is officially a romance site but many many of the girls are both easy available, not to expensive and often very beautiful..[/QUOTE]Make sure to lookout for your safety slightly more.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828054]

Girls you can get in any poor country, but the difference is that in Medellin the majority is BEAUTIFUL, not ugly!
[/QUOTE]Haha, I get the impression that you are looking at a website of beautiful young women and thinking to yourself that all women in Medellin look like that. If you go out on the streets of a regular barrio and look dispassionately at the people that are there, I think you would have a different opinion.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2828061]Thank you so much for the information. ""deterministic good quality girls", I mean a place where there are plenty of girls, and I can anyway have a very large chance to find 1-2 girls that are my type or at least at medium quality, just like FKK sharks. I do not want to go a place where I stay for a whole night, but can only find undesired girls (e. G. Fat, or not good-looking, etc.)

[/QUOTE]Who could possibly know what are "girls that are my type" and "undesired girls"? I suggest you try out the places that have the largest number of options.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828054]On Colombian-Cupid there are girl active all the time looking for short term meetings. This site is officially a romance site but many many of the girls are both easy available, not to expensive and often very beautiful.

You need Spanish at medium level otherwise it will be very frustrating to communicate.

No group or mansion are necessary, girls today are their own bosses and you can ask a girl in the street, on social media, romance site, whatever; there are +4 million people in Greater Medellin, 2 million females, the group 18-35 is a huge part of he population, but they are also many multiples more since they come to Medellin from villages or small towns or other cities so maybe girls 18-35 looking good and looking for any opportunities are 5 times more than in a normal for a city in Colombia. Its like a magnet!

Authorities and society, employers in general pay so low wages that beauty, sensuality, elegance, fitness becomes much more important than in a normal Western society. The pretty girls get they money.[/QUOTE]Agreed, well said and accurate description of CC websites.

TTM.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2828081]Who could possibly know what are "girls that are my type" and "undesired girls"? I suggest you try out the places that have the largest number of options.[/QUOTE]Or else do a crawl / hop to widen your options.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2828079]Haha, I get the impression that you are looking at a website of beautiful young women and thinking to yourself that all women in Medellin look like that. If you go out on the streets of a regular barrio and look dispassionately at the people that are there, I think you would have a different opinion.[/QUOTE]A normal paisa is often just a normal girl, yes.

But the amount, percentage of the good looking one's, they are many times prepagos, often part-time, paying their bills, for their kids, for vacation.

In that respect Medellin has the best supply in the world. ; the percentage of young people of the population, the influx from minor cities.

And the attitude; they not think it mean so much. I have have novias that I understood had other guys, I have had prepagos that wanted to be with just one guy and choose me (for a while), one time almost marriage. Being webcam girl among sexy paisas is kind kind of normal.

2019 I went to a de luxe casa near Girardot stadium; one lived at circular 3, I lived at Circular 2, like 100 meters between "we are neighbours, she said", another close to the condominium of my friend in sala-canz. In Buenos Aires the corresporent girl would be a 5-6 girl from a distant province!

But yes, at La UPB, "The Boulevard", where I study Spanish or Exito, the girls looks normal. But visit a expensive gym like Bodytech, it was filled with fit girls in small tight outfits, at 6-7 am before university / work!

The difference is that in Medellin a 9 or 10 in her 20's or early 30's can say YES and mean it, both ST or long term relationship, that is like another world, here in Scandinavia we have beautiful girls, but the chance of getting a decent GF is so much smaller, the process especially is much more complicated.

Colombian and Brazilian girls are very hygienical, but they have not anxiety for having sex, as long as you have equally good hygiene. I would say; being a gentleman and having impeccable hygiene are two underrated factors. The real luxury girl often / always demands prices that are un-realistic, but they are a small part of the supply. Bartenders in Parque Lleras or La 70, waitresses, neighbours. Just overcome the western typical anxiety to ask and you can have many many girls, more than you can handle.

I lived at Apartahotel Montes 2013-2018 6 times and the businessmen had a lot of girl short term. The female that cleaned my "aparta-estudio" hinted of having sex and a few times we made it since I loved to stay in that big jaccuzzi and well they came in at 9 am or 10 am for cleaning, and I was, "just come in". They where good looking, as I understood some got fired for being to much with the hotels clients!

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2827461]I will travel solo to Medellin and want to join a sex tourist group. Basically, arrange me for to visit nightclubs, and hunt girls?

Could anybody suggest some webpage or links so that I can find one, or a sex tourist guide?

In addition, could you point me the website for Mansion and how is the quality of girls there? I will only stay for two days, so I want to find a place with deterministic good-quality girls.

Thank you![/QUOTE]Better to look for others on this site to go with or meet up with some guys at the mansion who know the game. The map (look at other links for 'Medellin Map') probably has 75% of the casas and clubs. More 'official' Sex tourist guides and websites were popping up 8-10 years ago, but drew the wrath of the government and some gangs. Most stopped doing it, were thrown in jail, or shot (I'm serious). Not something you want to be a part of.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2828139]Better to look for others on this site to go with or meet up with some guys at the mansion who know the game. The map (look at other links for 'Medellin Map') probably has 75% of the casas and clubs. More 'official' Sex tourist guides and websites were popping up 8-10 years ago, but drew the wrath of the government and some gangs. Most stopped doing it, were thrown in jail, or shot (I'm serious). Not something you want to be a part of.[/QUOTE]Foreigners being killed in Medellin some years ago was al related to their interference in the local business-hierchy of prepagos and drugs, otherwise you risk no more here than in any other place.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2827461]I will travel solo to Medellin and want to join a sex tourist group. Basically, arrange me for to visit nightclubs, and hunt girls?

Could anybody suggest some webpage or links so that I can find one, or a sex tourist guide?

In addition, could you point me the website for Mansion and how is the quality of girls there? I will only stay for two days, so I want to find a place with deterministic good-quality girls.

Thank you![/QUOTE]You probably don't want to label yourself as a "sex tourist. " It's a pejorative that that can lead people to think underage or anything else forbidden. It's out there no need to have "sex tourist" on your forehead.

Hello everyone,

I will be travelling to Medellin for a week later next month and was hoping for some advice on the best place to bring girls near El Poblado. I've decided to stay in a hotel. I don't feel comfortable paying the hotel fees or getting a reputation for being a monger at the hotel I stay at long term and I've read too many horror stories here to bring a girl into the same room with my passport / money / valuables. I exclusively plan to hire higher end girls off websites and am ethnically Latino if that makes any difference. My Spanish isn't perfect but I should be able to communicate what I need to effectively.

Are there any love hotels nearby the El Poblado area that people here can recommend? Would it be better to travel further out? I've tried searching the thread for recommendations already, by the way.

[QUOTE=Pascal1111;2828199]Hello everyone,

I will be travelling to Medellin for a week later next month and was hoping for some advice on the best place to bring girls near El Poblado. I've decided to stay in a hotel. I don't feel comfortable paying the hotel fees or getting a reputation for being a monger at the hotel I stay at long term and I've read too many horror stories here to bring a girl into the same room with my passport / money / valuables. I exclusively plan to hire higher end girls off websites and am ethnically Latino if that makes any difference. My Spanish isn't perfect but I should be able to communicate what I need to effectively.

Are there any love hotels nearby the El Poblado area that people here can recommend? Would it be better to travel further out? I've tried searching the thread for recommendations already, by the way.[/QUOTE]I strongly suggest Ibiza Motel. It's a short cab ride away and the girls will be excited. It's their version of five star luxury. And it's a really fun place to party without worrying about the neighbors.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828054]On Colombian-Cupid there are girl active all the time looking for short term meetings. This site is officially a romance site but many many of the girls are both easy available, not to expensive and often very beautiful.

You need Spanish at medium level otherwise it will be very frustrating to communicate.

No group or mansion are necessary, girls today are their own bosses and you can ask a girl in the street, on social media, romance site, whatever; there are +4 million people in Greater Medellin, 2 million females, the group 18-35 is a huge part of he population, but they are also many multiples more since they come to Medellin from villages or small towns or other cities so maybe girls 18-35 looking good and looking for any opportunities are 5 times more than in a normal for a city in Colombia. Its like a magnet!

Authorities and society, employers in general pay so low wages that beauty, sensuality, elegance, fitness becomes much more important than in a normal Western society. The pretty girls get they money.
[/QUOTE]The girls on CC may / will fuck you but will always whine and tell you they need money before they leave. Their English is usually poor if at all.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2828079]Haha, I get the impression that you are looking at a website of beautiful young women and thinking to yourself that all women in Medellin look like that. [u]If you go out on the streets of a regular barrio and look dispassionately at the people that are there, I think you would have a different opinion.[/u][/QUOTE]Brother TK you are so right. During my first trip to Medellin I was actually disappointed by the way the girls looked. Yes, there were a few stunners out there. But all the hype I had read about Medellin and the girls of Colombia simply was not true according to a "boots on the ground" observation with my own eyes.

That being said, there is going to be someone who jumps up (beats their chest and calls me names because I am new to the Medellin forum and have strong opinions they disagree with)' and tells me to go someplace else if I don't like it. And to them I just put two middle fingers up! I'll go where I want, when I want and write what want about it.) [B]I had a great trip![/B] And I got all the sex I wanted. And I learned that I simply prefer the skin shade of my girls to be butterscotch to dark chocolate. And to have some ass. Because the most beautiful Colombianas that I saw looked like that.

So it is off to Cali at some point to explore a place I have been told has more of girls of my preferred type. The girls of Medellin that I saw on the street fell on the numeric attractiveness scale that would fit a Standard Deviation curve. A beauty standard that I have found to be consistent the world over. In my opinion, the girls of Medellin are no more attractive or less attractive than I have found during my travels throughout the world.

[QUOTE=Pascal1111;2828199]Hello everyone,

I will be travelling to Medellin for a week later next month and was hoping for some advice on the best place to bring girls near El Poblado. I've decided to stay in a hotel. I don't feel comfortable paying the hotel fees or getting a reputation for being a monger at the hotel I stay at long term and I've read too many horror stories here to bring a girl into the same room with my passport / money / valuables. I exclusively plan to hire higher end girls off websites and am ethnically Latino if that makes any difference. My Spanish isn't perfect but I should be able to communicate what I need to effectively.

Are there any love hotels nearby the El Poblado area that people here can recommend? Would it be better to travel further out? I've tried searching the thread for recommendations already, by the way.[/QUOTE]Best love hotel is Ibiza, high end, no interaction with staff (its all with intercoms) every room has a jazuzzi, I found Ora (Gold) room to be plenty.

[URL]https://motelibiza.com/ibiza/tarifas[/URL]

It's in ItagüI like 13 minutes from Poblado depending on traffic.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2828139]Better to look for others on this site to go with or meet up with some guys at the mansion who know the game. The map (look at other links for 'Medellin Map') probably has 75% of the casas and clubs. More 'official' Sex tourist guides and websites were popping up 8-10 years ago, but drew the wrath of the government and some gangs. Most stopped doing it, were thrown in jail, or shot (I'm serious). Not something you want to be a part of.[/QUOTE]Preach, see "colombian jake" as a cautious tale, you don't want to get invovled with any of that.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828142]Foreigners being killed in Medellin some years ago was al related to their interference in the local business-hierchy of prepagos and drugs, otherwise you risk no more here than in any other place.[/QUOTE]Really. More recently they die of accidental or deliberate overdoses of knock-out drugs like scopolamine. And based on the number of people I have personally met that have been drugged that way it is endemic. Of course you can do things to lower that risk, but it is endemic in Medellin and Bogota.

[QUOTE=Lylx1981;2828061]Thank you so much for the information. ""deterministic good quality girls", I mean a place where there are plenty of girls, and I can anyway have a very large chance to find 1-2 girls that are my type or at least at medium quality, just like FKK sharks. I do not want to go a place where I stay for a whole night, but can only find undesired girls (e. G. Fat, or not good-looking, etc.)

Thanks again![/QUOTE]The mansion would probably not meet your requirements, it is nothing like a brothel where there are a variety of girls wandering around that you choose from. These are working girls from their own places that come in to the hotel, not in any way employed or controlled by the hotel, and may be available. During the day there may only be a very few or none sometimes. You say "plenty of girls". That will never be the case. Anything between none and maybe 6? I have not stayed there recently but during the day it was only a few around. At night they come into the bar next door, same as they might in any bar, and try to get business that way. It is a small bar so anything over 6 girls would be a lot. If you have very specific requirements I can almost guarantee there will never be one or two. Of course I have no idea what you consider medium quality or your type.

[QUOTE=Pascal1111;2828199]Hello everyone,

I will be travelling to Medellin for a week later next month and was hoping for some advice on the best place to bring girls near El Poblado. I've decided to stay in a hotel. I don't feel comfortable paying the hotel fees or getting a reputation for being a monger at the hotel I stay at long term and I've read too many horror stories here to bring a girl into the same room with my passport / money / valuables. I exclusively plan to hire higher end girls off websites and am ethnically Latino if that makes any difference. My Spanish isn't perfect but I should be able to communicate what I need to effectively.

Are there any love hotels nearby the El Poblado area that people here can recommend? Would it be better to travel further out? I've tried searching the thread for recommendations already, by the way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2828287]Best love hotel is Ibiza, high end, no interaction with staff (its all with intercoms) every room has a jazuzzi, I found Ora (Gold) room to be pleanty.

[URL]https://motelibiza.com/ibiza/tarifas[/URL]

It's in ItagI like 13 minutes from poblado depending on traffic.[/QUOTE]I have been traveling everywhere in Colombia for decades and now living full time in Medellin for almost 10 years, so "been there and done that", heck I have experienced more than what many visitors and even most expats will never or could never comprehend.

The Ibiza is a good suggestion and just know that if your a single gringo in Medellin there is no escaping the stereotype that your a sex tourist, 1000% end of story. The hotel your at and as your walking in the street or in a store or a mall every Colombian that you come across sees you as a visiting sex tourist, but don't worry because they could care less.

Have fun!

TTM.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2826758]Just had my 1st trip to COL in BOG which was awesome and of course have my eyes set on MDE, CAR. Is it generally true that club girls in MDE cost more than BOG? While I can't find consistent rates factoring in time, I'm reading that more often MDE will have girls quoting $150, $200+ for sessions. My 2 Santa Fe / BOG visits I was reliably getting quotes for 90 K-110 K ($26 max) for 20 min sessions, so $80 an hour. And I'm pretty stingy on only conventionally attractive girls (fit or enhanced), so it wasn't the street urchins. They didn't have the immaculate super model looks, but these were from legit 8's 9's Even the Eroticas Bogotas site, which does MDE girls too, was around 330 K per hour so near $100/ HR adding in some extras.

Is there truly inflation in MDE vs BOG? Would make sense from posts I see about the gringos in MDE, while in BOG I saw zero foreigners. Plus Santa Fe / BOG can be very sketchy and from YouTube videos it seems the club areas of Poblado like Gusto Isla are a little safer and more "luxury". Planning my next trip, so while MDE seems worth at least 1 gamble, BOG is far easier to get to for a short 3 day trip as I'm able to get a direct flight, vs always losing 1 day and stress for connections in SAm for MDE.[/QUOTE]I have to say hands down it is the apartments. The apartments in Medellin are sooo overpriced for Airbnb. Not only for daily but monthly as well. You get way way more bang for your buck in Bogota for housing. It isn't even keeping up with inflation. Places that were 500-600 a month are now 1400 a month in less then 2 years time. I could see if it went up to like 900 or something but to have it more then double and ONLY in Medellin is insanity. It sucks and I don't think it will change unless Colombia puts in a law of some sort.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2828346]I have to say hands down it is the apartments. The apartments in Medellin are sooo overpriced for Airbnb. Not only for daily but monthly as well. You get way way more bang for your buck in Bogota for housing. It isn't even keeping up with inflation. Places that were 500-600 a month are now 1400 a month in less then 2 years time. I could see if it went up to like 900 or someting but to have it more then double and ONLY in medellin is insanity. It sucks and I don't think it will change unless Colombia puts in a law of some sort.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I rented a nice Airbnb in Bogota in Chapinero, for 45 bucks a night. The place had a private elevator that opened into the apartment. The same apartment in MDE would be 80-100 bucks per night.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2828079]Haha, I get the impression that you are looking at a website of beautiful young women and thinking to yourself that all women in Medellin look like that. If you go out on the streets of a regular barrio and look dispassionately at the people that are there, I think you would have a different opinion.[/QUOTE]Yup. The average-looking woman in Medellin is nothing special (and I like Medellin). There's simply no place in the World where a high percentage of the women are really good-looking. Now if you're going to La Isla, of course there's lots of attractive women (with lots of silicone!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2828328]The mansion would probably not meet your requirements, it is nothing like a brothel where there are a variety of girls wandering around that you choose from. These are working girls from their own places that come in to the hotel, not in any way employed or controlled by the hotel, and may be available. During the day there may only be a very few or none sometimes. You say "plenty of girls". That will never be the case. Anything between none and maybe 6? I have not stayed there recently but during the day it was only a few around. At night they come into the bar next door, same as they might in any bar, and try to get business that way. It is a small bar so anything over 6 girls would be a lot. If you have very specific requirements I can almost guarantee there will never be one or two. Of course I have no idea what you consider medium quality or your type.[/QUOTE]To be fair, on a reasonably good night at the bar downstairs, you can have easily have 20+ women. The problem is (again generally) that most of them I wouldn't pay to fuck.

During the day, it is indeed generally very slim pickings.

With all that said, the Mansion IMO is a fun place to stay.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2828328]The mansion would probably not meet your requirements, it is nothing like a brothel where there are a variety of girls wandering around that you choose from. These are working girls from their own places that come in to the hotel, not in any way employed or controlled by the hotel, and may be available. During the day there may only be a very few or none sometimes. You say "plenty of girls". That will never be the case. Anything between none and maybe 6? I have not stayed there recently but during the day it was only a few around. At night they come into the bar next door, same as they might in any bar, and try to get business that way. It is a small bar so anything over 6 girls would be a lot. If you have very specific requirements I can almost guarantee there will never be one or two. Of course I have no idea what you consider medium quality or your type.[/QUOTE]I'd generally agree with all you say except at night, where ID say 20+ girls cycle through the bar / club at night. Sometimes less, but more recently more as the cops have made the park harder at nigh|t.

Hello chaps. I live in London and typically monger in Spain. I love Latina women and Spain is full of them. One of my favorite cities (both for mongering and for visiting) is Madrid. The puticlubs in Madrid are full of beautiful Colombian and Venezuelan women which can be had for between EUR 100 and 200/ hour depending on the club. I've been debating whether or not it makes sense to visit Colombia (Cartagena and Medellin) vs. Just staying in Madrid. From watching Youtube videos, I really like the look of the girls in Club Gusto and El Poblado but quoted prices seem to be no better than Spain. I've seen a similar case in Cartagena where I see girls quoting in USD and at prices that would rival top clubs like Vive Madrid in Spain. Given flight costs and general lack of culture compared to a major city like Madrid (museums, restaurants, etc), I'm wondering if a trip to the source" is worth the cost / time? Many thanks!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2828331]I have been traveling everywhere in Colombia for decades and now living full time in Medellin for almost 10 years, so "been there and done that", heck I have experienced more than what many visitors and even most expats will never or could never comprehend.

The Ibiza is a good suggestion and just know that if your a single gringo in Medellin there is no escaping the stereotype that your a sex tourist, 1000% end of story. The hotel your at and as your walking in the street or in a store or a mall every Colombian that you come across sees you as a visiting sex tourist, but don't worry because they could care less.

Have fun!

TTM.[/QUOTE]Last time I was in Medellin towards end of Covid, this construction worker yells at me " thanks for coming back to Colombia, we need the sex tourists back. " he said the girls were broke or something like that. LOL.

I am searching for affordable airbnb / hotel near el poblado meets following criteria:

- Guest (Chica) Friendly (no hidden cost).

- Have 24 hours security guards / front desk who will check for ID going in / going out.

Where would that be? There is no such filters in airbnb.

[QUOTE=Ovechkin08;2828430]Given flight costs and general lack of culture compared to a major city like Madrid (museums, restaurants, etc), I'm wondering if a trip to the source" is worth the cost / time? Many thanks![/QUOTE]On one hand you have probably already seen all the museums and eaten all the food that Madrid has to offer. So not sure how that would factor into your decision. If you are just looking for a hole to stick your dick in then stick with Madrid. If you are looking for new experiences in life then try other places.

[QUOTE=Ovechkin08;2828430]Hello chaps. I live in London and typically monger in Spain. I love Latina women and Spain is full of them. One of my favorite cities (both for mongering and for visiting) is Madrid. The puticlubs in Madrid are full of beautiful Colombian and Venezuelan women which can be had for between EUR 100 and 200/ hour depending on the club. I've been debating whether or not it makes sense to visit Colombia (Cartagena and Medellin) vs. Just staying in Madrid. From watching Youtube videos, I really like the look of the girls in Club Gusto and El Poblado but quoted prices seem to be no better than Spain. I've seen a similar case in Cartagena where I see girls quoting in USD and at prices that would rival top clubs like Vive Madrid in Spain. Given flight costs and general lack of culture compared to a major city like Madrid (museums, restaurants, etc), I'm wondering if a trip to the source" is worth the cost / time? Many thanks![/QUOTE]If you are getting prices in Colombia that equat to 100 and 200 euro, you are looking in the wrong place. Colombia is much, much cheaper than Spain (if you stay out of Gusto's) but it's also much, much more dangerous. But, you have the time and cost of the flight, so you'd need probably at least a week or ten days to break even on the sex. Spain has women from all over the world and Colombia has women from Colombia and Venezuela. Would I go to Colombia if I lived in the UK? No. If I was sick of Spain I would go to Bratislava. Lots of really great looking women there, although a totally different look from the latinas.

[QUOTE=Ovechkin08;2828430]Madrid v Medellin. I'm wondering if a trip to the source" is worth the cost / time?[/QUOTE]I would say don't underestimate the value of visiting a new place. Trying new experiences is nearly always a good thing. Colombia is not Spain. Its very different in culture, and that in itself is worth experiencing. Its not great for fine arts and historic buildings but it does have its own attractions. Amazon rainforest, Guatape, Santa Marta old town, and the Colombian lifestyle. Its also extremely cheap and one does not need to spend EUR 100-200 for one hour. For example, I pay EUR 10-15. You could also set up a great tour. Mix in Galapagos, (try a couple of night in Guayaquil on the way), you could also fly direct to DR these days. Maybe you could get to Cuba from there (not sure). That would be a great trip for a first timer.

So yeah, my advice is try smething new and try not to comapre the 2 bcos they have different positives.

Had a very relaxing weekend in Medellin getting trying out some erotic massage parlors.

1 - Luxuri Tentaciones (can be found on mileroticos by searching 'Luxuri') - I pre-arranged a 1 HR session with Sofia (180 k) the good news is she is even more stunning than the photos on the website. The bad news is the location is a dump. It is on the first floor of a confusing apartment complex and smells like trash. The massage was nothing to write home about but got OWO and FS for 180 k. I'd recommend an outcall next time.

2 - Atenea (Spa Atenea on google) - I chose Heidy and she was exactly my type, slender and clean shaven. 1 HR massage for 200 k the massage itself was just okay, she was a little rough for my liking but the handjob was the best I've ever had, she clearly knew what she was doing. No option for FS but the happy ending was amazing.

3 - Spa in San Diego Neighborhood (no name yet) - found a massage parlor in an apartment building near Centro Comercial San Diego and booked with Paula. They appear to be new and can only be found on mileroticos, search "San Diego" under masajes and you will find a few postings with similar descriptions, just different photos and phone numbers. Each masseuse appears to be independent, but shares the common studio. Paula was stunning, 150 k for 1 HR massage. Definitely the best massage of the trip, body-to-body and touching was allowed (including FIV) but no FS. HJ was great but did not come close to Heidy at Atenea.

I have done the bigger "name-brand" parlors in Medellin before (Om Spa, Tantra, Fantasia, etc.) and am starting to like the smaller ones better. I would not recommend Luxuri for a straight-up massage, but the others listed above were both more than adequate.

Sorry to interrupt the incessant chit chat, or is it shit shat, with an actual report. As part of a five week work stint in Colombia, I had the first of a few MDE visits a week ago and managed three sessions.

First was Marcela from photoprepagos. Her ad says "the most beautiful smile in the world" and I can't disagree after meeting her. She's a full but nicely figured MILF with big natural tits and long black hair. Super sweet, friendly, and fun, and she provided excellent GFE service for the ridiculous, at least for my budget, price of 180 k for the hour including a superb BBBJ. I can't wait to repeat with her tomorrow when I return to the city. Next was Luisa who had positive reviews on catadorcolombia. She was at one of the Ellas Erotic houses in the LOS Colores neighborhood. To me she was one of those gorgeous young costenas who doesn't really know how beautiful she is. Drop dead perfect body with flawless skin, and, amazingly, no tattoos. Pretty face with no makeup which I really like and long black hair. Killer BBBJ and very good service for 180 k for the hour including the BBBJ. Finally, I was in the mood for some chocolate and met Maria Jose from photoprepagos. She advertises as a barbie negrita and that's pretty accurate. Great, firm, slim body, pretty face, super BBBJ, and overall very good service. A little pricey at 290 k for the hour including the BBBJ but well worth it for me. I was way more than satisfied with all three of these very different girls, all of whom provided no BS service with all sorts of positions and no complaints. Of course, plain old good luck helps, but MDE remains one of my favorite mongering destinations.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2828491]...Its also extremely cheap and one does not need to spend EUR 100-200 for one hour.
...So yeah, my advice is try smething new and try not to comapre the 2 bcos they have different positives.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that Colombia is relatively cheaper than Europe. Plus, some of the working girls in a Europe have an attitude.

Are the guys that are getting scolpamined are they actually banging these girls. My guess is that the majority probably don't even get laid and they are in the talking negotiation stage when they get scoped.

Man I'm looking for the same thing. Have to book the Airbnb soon. Can anyone help us?

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2828465]I am searching for affordable airbnb / hotel near el poblado meets following criteria:

- Guest (Chica) Friendly (no hidden cost).

- Have 24 hours security guards / front desk who will check for ID going in / going out.

Where would that be? There is no such filters in airbnb.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2828490]If you are getting prices in Colombia that equat to 100 and 200 euro, you are looking in the wrong place. Colombia is much, much cheaper than Spain (if you stay out of Gusto's) but it's also much, much more dangerous. But, you have the time and cost of the flight, so you'd need probably at least a week or ten days to break even on the sex. Spain has women from all over the world and Colombia has women from Colombia and Venezuela. Would I go to Colombia if I lived in the UK? No. If I was sick of Spain I would go to Bratislava. Lots of really great looking women there, although a totally different look from the latinas.[/QUOTE]Colombia is a lot cheaper, but to break even and also do the other things museeums, resturants, Toro at Macarena (or is it banned), a lot of places. Bogota is cold, but around the capital there are valleys that a at low altitude and hence warm, 25-35 Celcius, go there w a girl or 2, it's like what santiago de Antioquia is for Medellin. 2 weeks is to short for me, one month at least. Avoid overpriced areas as Poblado. In Laureles, the hugh middle-class area, prices for any service is much lower, the same quality of girls, resturants and AUTENTIC. Poblado feels ARTIFICAL.

Poblado; paisa friends said it's new rich, criminals and overpriced prepagos who excell there, so the "old" money moved to other areas. All prepagos think Poblado is top, for me it's a red flag, why pay Western Europe prices in Colombia?, I never go there, I speak Spanish so I prefer laureles, Estadio or even centro.

Madrid is a fantastic city; medellin can¡t compete with that, but has a ace; it's always, 365 days a year, 25 celcius. No winter, spring, autumn, always summer, , even if it is called City of the eternal spring (25 is like July in Europe, not March / April).

I find colombian people, especially girls can be so life-loving, easy-going, even so that Quebec wants electronic-engineers from Colombia since they adapt culturally so easily!

Spanish people also good in Madrid.

Colombia; many places are not used to tourist, they have not learnt how to charge more, "the gringo-premium", easy to get friends. But in established places they ONLY think gringo=$.

Colombia tourist agency slogan; "the risk is that you don't want to leave!" it's very true.

Prepago-friend. If a prepago likes you, you can get a good discount, go out as a couple.

I have have met both Barracudas and Angels. You notice easily if she is a Barracuda, but the problem it's excting with dangerous females, donne pericolose.

My friends GF was dangerous and did crazy things, but he always came back to here since she was always unpredictable.

All in all, Colombia (and VNZ used to be even better but are now gone as a destination but can come back if we need their oil on a huge scale, which is a probable scenario w sanctions against Russia and the Russian oil production not can be exported since all experts has left, there production will fall and must be replaced, so VNZ might be welcomed anew into the global society and by doing so getting rid of all debt's they own Russia and China, hehehe, partly according to peter Z)).

Just for the experience.

I know nomads that are nerds and live in Colombia on tourist / student visa and get paid from their Western company, as working from home, just that living costs, prepago costs are like 22% of that in UK and then it's money well spend, which €200-300 is a really crazy price which US / Europe guys pay. I earn €300 net a day x 22 a month. €300 for 1 hour vs 8 hours at the office. It's a bad deal.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2828346]I have to say hands down it is the apartments. The apartments in Medellin are sooo overpriced for Airbnb. Not only for daily but monthly as well. You get way way more bang for your buck in Bogota for housing. It isn't even keeping up with inflation. Places that were 500-600 a month are now 1400 a month in less then 2 years time. I could see if it went up to like 900 or someting but to have it more then double and ONLY in medellin is insanity. It sucks and I don't think it will change unless Colombia puts in a law of some sort.[/QUOTE]Medellin is like barcelona or milan, turin, they have a entrepreneurial gene.

When voilence now is not pressing down economic activity, growth pops-up by itself, also like Beirut!

Liberal culture, easy to do business, easy to get females.

Bogotá is stagnating, it have had a long period of growth but now macro factors are pointing in the wrong direction.

A paia friend have been buying 3 apartments the last decade and he runs a small resturant and they are now worth 300 k COP each, at least 100% growth since 2015.

The resturant pays the bills, the pension, richness comes from his apartments. And not having time to spend them on casinos or prepagos, his novia is a beauty but very hard discling him!

The whole motoway / freewy access to Rio Grande Airport, and other areas are filled with new de luxe.

They say 50% of emplyed people in Medellin are informal, 85% in he rural areas around, so GNP / capita etc is hard to estimate.

Moving money to tax paradises.

65-75% are truly hard working and poor, 10-20% are just rake home the profits.

The optimism, this gives growth, 2000-2019 people in absolute poverty fell by 1% by year from 30% to 10% in medellin.

Still many have a life =all waking hours are working hours! . Monday to Sunday.

But it's also a human phenomonen, migration. Latin people March from Brazil to USA. It's a thing humans do.

Living ouside medellin, in marinilla, which is close or guarne, very chill, good air everything.

2013; in sabaneta; a paisa friend measured the airquality, it was bad, today it's cancer. Provoking, an un espected side effect of frequent mongering.

Take your IT newwork and work from home, get paid from your company in US / Europe, bu live or spend much time outside the major cities and use sun-protection, maybe even more important than condoms!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2828331]I have been traveling everywhere in Colombia for decades and now living full time in Medellin for almost 10 years, so "been there and done that", heck I have experienced more than what many visitors and even most expats will never or could never comprehend.

The Ibiza is a good suggestion and just know that if your a single gringo in Medellin there is no escaping the stereotype that your a sex tourist, 1000% end of story. The hotel your at and as your walking in the street or in a store or a mall every Colombian that you come across sees you as a visiting sex tourist, but don't worry because they could care less.

Have fun!

TTM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2828331]I have been traveling everywhere in Colombia for decades and now living full time in Medellin for almost 10 years, so "been there and done that", heck I have experienced more than what many visitors and even most expats will never or could never comprehend.

The Ibiza is a good suggestion and just know that if your a single gringo in Medellin there is no escaping the stereotype that your a sex tourist, 1000% end of story. The hotel your at and as your walking in the street or in a store or a mall every Colombian that you come across sees you as a visiting sex tourist, but don't worry because they could care less.

Have fun!

TTM.[/QUOTE]I agree, but when you have learned the lingo and can communicate fluently; this "sex-turist" factor becomes a minor factor.

But 95% don't speak Spanish or rudimentary.

I learn this by avoiding anglosaxon and other light skinned people and where they hang and got my own oscial phere, with foreigners, but they are a majority and they also speak Spanish.

Then again; people doesn't care so much in medellin, all men go to prepagos. All married men I know in Colombia gos to prepagos. You can even discuss which clubs or girls which are the best with your professors in Spanish at La UPB!

I would say; if you don't hunt females, for relationship or sex or both, then you are considered gay or strange!

The females except you to attack you when opportunity given, colombian or gringo!

Sometimes I feel paisa females are even more into getting sex than men. They think like, a good fxxx + some money, married or not!

Those of us who come from countries where poor hygiene has been the norm, where we haven't had access to hot baths, have developed a fear of touch.

Colombian women are meticulous about their and your hygiene, but we from cold countries have a kind of anxiety about physical touch.

Probably because thousands of years of touching has been contagious.

My teacher in Medellin who often lives in the US said "if I had hugged and kissed my American girlfriends like I do my Colombian ones, I would have gone to jail!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2828328]The mansion would probably not meet your requirements, it is nothing like a brothel where there are a variety of girls wandering around that you choose from. These are working girls from their own places that come in to the hotel, not in any way employed or controlled by the hotel, and may be available. During the day there may only be a very few or none sometimes. You say "plenty of girls". That will never be the case. Anything between none and maybe 6? I have not stayed there recently but during the day it was only a few around. At night they come into the bar next door, same as they might in any bar, and try to get business that way. It is a small bar so anything over 6 girls would be a lot. If you have very specific requirements I can almost guarantee there will never be one or two. Of course I have no idea what you consider medium quality or your type.[/QUOTE]A girl said she wanted no relationship with me, she wanted to be single. But alng the conversation, "I'm like that, I don't want a BF". I asked about th mansion. "No, Greg / Mansion charges too much", besides the fee they take for the room the Mansion demands extra money from the girls, but officially they deny it.

Just her comment was so spontanous, like it was like there where no point going there for here and she was a HOT girl, mayby not a 10 but looking like a very sexy blond american pornstar with brown eyes.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2828327]Really. More recently they die of accidental or deliberate overdoses of knock-out drugs like scopolamine. And based on the number of people I have personally met that have been drugged that way it is endemic. Of course you can do things to lower that risk, but it is endemic in Medellin and Bogota.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2828327]Really. More recently they die of accidental or deliberate overdoses of knock-out drugs like scopolamine. And based on the number of people I have personally met that have been drugged that way it is endemic. Of course you can do things to lower that risk, but it is endemic in Medellin and Bogota.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2828327]Really. More recently they die of accidental or deliberate overdoses of knock-out drugs like scopolamine. And based on the number of people I have personally met that have been drugged that way it is endemic. Of course you can do things to lower that risk, but it is endemic in Medellin and Bogota.[/QUOTE][URL]https://colombiareports.com/amp/medellins-scopolamine-threat/[/URL]

You loose your own will and give away your pin code to your credit card.

Have a lower weekly withdrawal and higher it, lets say just during daytime one day or the few days you pay for apartments, go shopping etc, buy airfare-tickets, and then lower it again.

They you limit the damage.

I did so after being robbed, she saw my pin-code, and when I was in the shower she was superfast down to the ATM and empty daily maximum. But I must add, I was a in the bathroom for a long time taking care of a small wound. So special circumstances. It happend in Manizales so I dicovered the withdrawls after coming home to Medelin after the weekend. I was also on strong antibiotics and took tramadol for the pain, which made me blurry and forgot / skipped my own secutrity precautions which I'm normally very strict about.

After that I enhanced my security routines even more. I put a thick chain on my closet and hid the chain with having cloth hangning on the door of it. Crazy!

Twice I have been robbed during 12 longer visits South America 2003-2019.

And in Medellin or Buenos Aires, where I lived one year (x2) , I must have taken taxis like 3 x 365 x2 = around 2000 times.

But these two events still scares me! I will always be a little afraid and hence loose some of the pleasure!

But also; different cards. Two-factor verification.

Anything that complicates for the robber and anything that minimize losses.

Then put US3. 000 on a "mental account" for robbery-losses. I have put such robbery-reserve money on my parents accounts, of which codes, numbers I know nothing!

You can also have a weekly budget and get money send to you and pick them up at WU, being robbed on the last day you maybe jusy have 100 dollars.

But all in all; the dangerous things for tourists are still; traffic accidents!

But here at home, the risk is the same, but the security program is turned -off, you don't except nothing to happen! While in Latin America, the security issue take away some of the pleasure, you are a little afraid in the back of your head, always! Which can destroy relations where no harm was never intended!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828233]Brother TK you are so right. During my first trip to Medellin I was actually disappointed by the way the girls looked. Yes, there were a few stunners out there. But all the hype I had read about Medellin and the girls of Colombia simply was not true according to a "boots on the ground" observation with my own eyes.

That being said, there is going to be someone who jumps up (beats their chest and calls me names because I am new to the Medellin forum and have strong opinions they disagree with)' and tells me to go someplace else if I don't like it. And to them I just put two middle fingers up! I'll go where I want, when I want and write what want about it.) [B]I had a great trip![/B] And I got all the sex I wanted. And I learned that I simply prefer the skin shade of my girls to be butterscotch to dark chocolate. And to have some ass. Because the most beautiful Colombianas that I saw looked like that.

So it is off to Cali at some point to explore a place I have been told has more of girls of my preferred type. The girls of Medellin that I saw on the street fell on the numeric attractiveness scale that would fit a Standard Deviation curve. A beauty standard that I have found to be consistent the world over. In my opinion, the girls of Medellin are no more attractive or less attractive than I have found during my travels throughout the world.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828233]Brother TK you are so right. During my first trip to Medellin I was actually disappointed by the way the girls looked. Yes, there were a few stunners out there. But all the hype I had read about Medellin and the girls of Colombia simply was not true according to a "boots on the ground" observation with my own eyes.

That being said, there is going to be someone who jumps up (beats their chest and calls me names because I am new to the Medellin forum and have strong opinions they disagree with)' and tells me to go someplace else if I don't like it. And to them I just put two middle fingers up! I'll go where I want, when I want and write what want about it.) [B]I had a great trip![/B] And I got all the sex I wanted. And I learned that I simply prefer the skin shade of my girls to be butterscotch to dark chocolate. And to have some ass. Because the most beautiful Colombianas that I saw looked like that.

So it is off to Cali at some point to explore a place I have been told has more of girls of my preferred type. The girls of Medellin that I saw on the street fell on the numeric attractiveness scale that would fit a Standard Deviation curve. A beauty standard that I have found to be consistent the world over. In my opinion, the girls of Medellin are no more attractive or less attractive than I have found during my travels throughout the world.[/QUOTE]No.

I lived in Arequipa for a semester and studied. The best looking prepagos where Colombianas, which came there since they simply look so much better on avergae.

A friend moved from medellin to Lima, "all men are so ugly here".

A good paisa friend " the girls in Buenos Aires", where his son studied art, "have faces like horses", long-faced.

But yes, 50-60% are normal or ugly in Medellin.

Before we all get nuked, the russian and ukrainian girls!

In Africa, girls, and men also, from somalia / etiopia / Eritrea, tall, slim, tall necks, long thin arms and legs, they are simply very beautiful, good looking faces too, like black-barbies.

But I have had 4 10-GF in Peru. In my local gym hee at home, there are very few girls, one are a latina; she is awesome, and she is from Peru.

But I remember, if you been in the old center in Arequipa, with resturants all around on 3-5-7 floor. I thought, I will good looking girl; there where zero! During eating a lunch or dinner daytime! Maybe one, she was awesome, the waitress, but 99% she was from Colombia.

I went to big casa in Arequipa, but it was closed, but the guys let me in for a beer. Especially then I understood, in Peru "Colombiana" means good looking girl!

Yesterday I boarded the Metro at the Poblado Station around noon headed towards Centro.

Upon departing the station there was an announcement in Spanish to guard your valuables including phones, etc.

And then to my surprise the announcement was made in English by the same speaker and it wasn't a recording.

This is the first time I have ever heard an announcement of any type in English on the Metro, maybe it's been going on awhile, or maybe just around the tourist areas, but definitely a shock to hear an announcement in English on the Metro.

This is just another example of how popular and touristy Medellin has become and the changes taking place.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2828184]You probably don't want to label yourself as a "sex tourist. " It's a pejorative that that can lead people to think underage or anything else forbidden. It's out there no need to have "sex tourist" on your forehead.[/QUOTE]The reality is that if your an older male, and an obvious gringo, you will automatically be considered a "sex tourist" by most Colombians.

There's no way around this.

It goes with the territory here, and what might be considered embarrassing here may occur when a monger is with a young tart, at least 30 years younger than you, and they get the look of shame depending on where you are.

I have been in a few hotel elevators with a young tart in tow, a family enters the elevator, and the wife typically gives me a very dirty look, and the husbands at times are are having a wet dream, especially when their wife is like a sack of potatoes. LOL.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828661][URL]https://colombiareports.com/amp/medellins-scopolamine-threat/[/URL]

You loose your own will and give away your pin code to your credit card.[/QUOTE]You do not lose your own will, you wre just more open to suggestion. Like someone could say you need to hurry up and pay this bill. What is your pin so I can get the money for you? Look at videos of people under nitrous oxide at the dentist for example. They say all kind of crazy shit with no inhibitions.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828233]And I learned that I simply prefer the skin shade of my girls to be butterscotch to dark chocolate. And to have some ass. Because the most beautiful Colombianas that I saw looked like that.

In my opinion, the girls of Medellin are no more attractive or less attractive than I have found during my travels throughout the world.[/QUOTE]I totally agree w both these comments. I also prefer the coloured girls. Always look healthier. Better toned, more athlletic. Thats just my preference.

Yeah, I think there are plenty of good looking Colombian women, but no more so than in most other countries. But they do like to splash the make-up here. And I often wonder if MDE gets star comments mostly from guys come from a country where most of the women are ghastly or unattainable.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828651]A girl said she wanted no relationship with me, she wanted to be single. But alng the conversation, "I'm like that, I don't want a BF". I asked about th mansion. "No, Greg / Mansion charges too much", besides the fee they take for the room the Mansion demands extra money from the girls, but officially they deny it.[/QUOTE]The statements regarding the mansion are 100% not true. First of all, the mansion is run by Robert and Alexa. Second, they charge the girls nothing to visit (daytime or night). They do require daytime ones call in advance to get a slot, assigned sparingly. Third, there are no 'room fees' (to who?) but instead the rooms are rented as regular guest house rooms to visitors.

[QUOTE=ILoveColombia;2828661][URL]https://colombiareports.com/amp/medellins-scopolamine-threat/[/URL]

You loose your own will and give away your pin code to your credit card.

Have a lower weekly withdrawal and higher it, lets say just during daytime one day or the few days you pay for apartments, go shopping etc, buy airfare-tickets, and then lower it again.

They you limit the damage.

I did so after being robbed, she saw my pin-code, and when I was in the shower she was superfast down to the ATM and empty daily maximum. But I must add, I was a in the bathroom for a long time taking care of a small wound. So special circumstances. It happend in Manizales so I dicovered the withdrawls after coming home to Medelin after the weekend. I was also on strong antibiotics and took tramadol for the pain, which made me blurry and forgot / skipped my own secutrity precautions which I'm normally very strict about.

After that I enhanced my security routines even more. I put a thick chain on my closet and hid the chain with having cloth hangning on the door of it. Crazy!

Twice I have been robbed during 12 longer visits South America 2003-2019.

And in Medellin or Buenos Aires, where I lived one year (x2) , I must have taken taxis like 3 x 365 x2 = around 2000 times.

But these two events still scares me! I will always be a little afraid and hence loose some of the pleasure!

But also; different cards. Two-factor verification.

Anything that complicates for the robber and anything that minimize losses.

Then put US3. 000 on a "mental account" for robbery-losses. I have put such robbery-reserve money on my parents accounts, of which codes, numbers I know nothing!

You can also have a weekly budget and get money send to you and pick them up at WU, being robbed on the last day you maybe jusy have 100 dollars.

But all in all; the dangerous things for tourists are still; traffic accidents!

But here at home, the risk is the same, but the security program is turned -off, you don't except nothing to happen! While in Latin America, the security issue take away some of the pleasure, you are a little afraid in the back of your head, always! Which can destroy relations where no harm was never intended![/QUOTE]The one thing I did last year is open a savings account that doesn't have ATM cards attached to them. Money can only be ach withdrawn to a checking account. There is no way a criminal will know the account exists unless you have the app on your phone which you should never leave after ACH. Delete download delete download. The most they can steal is what you ACH. Only ACH what you need and then withdraw in pesos every couple days from a checking account that charges no international fees.

What are the odds a 9 in Medellin gives it away for free. It seems like the culture there says don't be dumb girl and give it away for free at 18. Prostitution is so accepted there and part of the culture. Also, it's not like the Colombian guys treat them well, so why not F a white guy who will treat you like a queen for a months salary at KFC. Hell I've been to Taco Bell in America where the cashier was 18 and was a solid 9 with a brick house body. I thought to myself I would pay her 200 for a hour. She would have to work over 2 days there to make that.

I haven't heard that yet. I will listen out for it. I think I've seen English language signage in some of the stations. It's good advice. The only public transportation I know that doesn't have a pickpocket problem is in Japan. They have a problem with perverts who feel up girls or record upskirt videos. In Tokyo I actually saw a guy with some kind of camera with a gooseneck extension slip it under the school uniform skirt of a girl on the metro. I wasn't the only one who saw it and no one did anything.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2828666]Yesterday I boarded the Metro at the Poblado Station around noon headed towards Centro.

Upon departing the station there was an announcement in Spanish to guard your valuables including phones, etc.

And then to my surprise the announcement was made in English by the same speaker and it wasn't a recording.

This is the first time I have ever heard an announcement of any type in English on the Metro, maybe it's been going on awhile, or maybe just around the tourist areas, but definitely a shock to hear an announcement in English on the Metro.

This is just another example of how popular and touristy Medellin has become and the changes taking place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tarask99;2828465]I am searching for affordable airbnb / hotel near el poblado meets following criteria:

- Guest (Chica) Friendly (no hidden cost).

- Have 24 hours security guards / front desk who will check for ID going in / going out.

Where would that be? There is no such filters in airbnb.[/QUOTE]Hotel Du Parc is in between Parque Lleras and Parque Poblado. Usually you can get it for $100/ nt (breakfast included) and it is pretty nice. They check ID's at the front desk for guests but do not charge for them.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828765]What are the odds a 9 in Medellin gives it away for free. It seems like the culture there says don't be dumb girl and give it away for free at 18. Prostitution is so accepted there and part of the culture. ...why not F a white guy who will treat you like a queen for a months salary at KFC. [/QUOTE]NOt sure what a 9 is. I assume its what you consider a very good looking girl. If the girl is not having regular sex by 18 in Colombia, then she is in the minority. A huge proportoin of them already have (broken) families by that age. And that is often the reason they work in sex. And am not sure what white skin has to do with tourists.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828765]Hell I've been to Taco Bell in America where the cashier was 18 and was a solid 9 with a brick house body. I thought to myself I would pay her 200 for a hour. She would have to work over 2 days there to make that.[/QUOTE]Why is that your mentality? Whenever I see a normal chick that I like I just talk to them normally and ask to get to know them or whatever. It does not pop into my head that I would pay her. Some of you guys are really too deep into this P4P shit.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828765]Also, it's not like the Colombian guys treat them well, so why not F a white guy who will treat you like a queen for a months salary at KFC.[/QUOTE]Why do tourists always have the idea that local guys treat chicks bad but foreigners treat them well? This is a common bullshit idea in damn near every thread. There are locals that treat chicks good and there are foreigners that treat chicks like shit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828975]Why do tourists always have the idea that local guys treat chicks bad but foreigners treat them well? This is a common bullshit idea in damn near every thread. There are locals that treat chicks good and there are foreigners that treat chicks like shit.[/QUOTE]I think its because the type of girl that gravitates towards foreigners usually talks shit about the locals. I agree its across the board of good and bad treatment. But that is where the stereotype originates from.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828974]Why is that your mentality? Whenever I see a normal chick that I like I just talk to them normally and ask to get to know them or whatever. It does not pop into my head that I would pay her. Some of you guys are really too deep into this P4P shit.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and the majority of people who post stuff don't really understand Latino culture (at least how it applies to Colombia). If you are here for 2 weeks, not many girls will want to start a relationship that isn't compensation based. I mean after-all, Even if you can speak some Spanish you won't be around to give her gifts on her birthday. You won't be around to buy her that new pair of shoes. Men are the providers (in this culture) and if you aren't going to be here to help out, she isn't likely to be interested.

OTOH if you do live here, speak Spanish and can be available to take her to dinner at a nice restaurant or maybe a weekend trip to Guatape or San Jeronimo or someplace else. Now you are very interesting to her. If she sees you as a friend who can help out in times of need you become very handsome even if you are her grandfather's age. Girls are groomed to find a stable man who can be a productive member of the family. Mothers tell their daughters. "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man". Obviously there aren't enough "rich men" to go around. But show a girl that you live here, and can be a friend and sex will follow since it isn't a big deal. It is almost as plentiful as avocados.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2828759]The statements regarding the mansion are 100% not true. First of all, the mansion is run by Robert and Alexa. Second, they charge the girls nothing to visit (daytime or night). They do require daytime ones call in advance to get a slot, assigned sparingly. Third, there are no 'room fees' (to who?) but instead the rooms are rented as regular guest house rooms to visitors.[/QUOTE]Spot on information from DiscoverFL. Only thing I will add: those slots have almost dried up. For various reasons, they are severely limiting the volume of girls during the day. That's sad because despite what's been reported here, the daytime action was sufficient. In the past couple years, you might have 5-10 girls hanging out. It was a low-pressure, relaxed environment, which is my style. Now? They are severely restricting girls during the day and they are scheduling them out weeks in advance. The result: fewer choices and girls far more anxious to cash in on "their" day.

Hi,

I will be in Medellin next week and just want to get your suggestion:

1. Could you recommend me some girl guest-friendly hotels close to Parque Lleras for around 70-100 USD per night? I booked a hotel called Dann Carlton Medellin Hotel, how about this one?

2. I planned to date with girls in my hotel room using [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL], how about this website, is it good and safe or anything I need to know?

3. Any other places I can look for girls during the daytime, please send me links / addresses. I remember a folk mentioned "casa" as a brothel, what is exactly the name or weblink?

Highly appreciate it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828975]Why do tourists always have the idea that local guys treat chicks bad but foreigners treat them well? This is a common bullshit idea in damn near every thread. There are locals that treat chicks good and there are foreigners that treat chicks like shit.[/QUOTE]For me it's because damn near every girl tells me that Colombian men are dogs, with the exception of their father or brother (s) of course. Perhaps they say it because it's what I want to hear, but many of them have the stories to back it up. Also, if the local guys treat the girls so well, why the heck are so many of them single mothers? You're not much of a man if you abandon a girl (and your child) where I come from, but it's very common in their culture.
On the other hand the worst 'treatment' I hear about foreigners is usually them not tipping or having bad hygeine LOL.

I'm headed back to Medellin next week and my semi-pro novia invited me to a family finca party to meet her grandmother and the rest of her extended family. Any idea what I'm in for?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2829009]If she sees you as a friend who can help out in times of need you become very handsome even if you are her grandfather's age. [/QUOTE]As you are in fact their grandfather's age, that's what you want to think but it's self-delusion. To them it's like eating a bad meal for money, and if married to grandpa they are very likely to cheat with men they are attracted to.

Also one doesn't need to live in Colombia to provide birthday gifts and the like or even fill the role of "novio. " Many have a number of foreign men with this designation while the real novio is close to their age and Colombian. In fact good spending novios from afar are surely often preferred as they have to fuck them less.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2829090]For me it's because damn near every girl tells me that Colombian men are dogs, with the exception of their father or brother (s) of course. Perhaps they say it because it's what I want to hear, but many of them have the stories to back it up. Also, if the local guys treat the girls so well, why the heck are so many of them single mothers? You're not much of a man if you abandon a girl (and your child) where I come from, but it's very common in their culture.
On the other hand the worst 'treatment' I hear about foreigners is usually them not tipping or having bad hygeine LOL.[/QUOTE]A lot of women gravitate toward men that treat them poorly, and this is cross cultural. Some claim to want "nice guys," and may experiment with that but ultimately return to the familar and what they find exciting.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2829090]Also, if the local guys treat the girls so well, why the heck are so many of them single mothers? You're not much of a man if you abandon a girl (and your child) where I come from, but it's very common in their culture.[/QUOTE]If that is their reasoning it is obvious they have not seen all the single mothers that foreigners left behind in other countries as well as their own. Just finished reading an article about it in Philippines. When a chick tells me about how bad local men are I say all men and all women are the same. It does not matter where they come from. You are just not used to a foreign man's bullshit yet. Besides that, it should be pretty easy getting along with a mf that is on vacation. The problems start when you have to see each other everyday or live together. Back in the day I used to mess with a Filipina chick and she would call her American husband Noriega because he was so tough on her.

From the Time article:

"Eventually, she found an email address, and when she sent a message, to her delight, she got a reply. Levante says her biological father, a sailor from Belfair, Washington, who left Subic for good in 1981, was sympathetic at first to her life story. But when she decided to ask him for help, noting that she was midway through a nursing attendant degree but would soon have to drop out because she couldn't afford tuition, he replied: ​8203;"Please do not think that I am a knight in shining armor who is going to ride in and rescue you. " A few months later, Levante was told by her father's wife in the USA That he had died. ".

This is a roundabout way of saying girls are keen to use guys as ATMs. It's all good as long as the sex is to your liking.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2829009]I agree with you and the majority of people who post stuff don't really understand Latino culture (at least how it applies to Colombia). If you are here for 2 weeks, not many girls will want to start a relationship that isn't compensation based. I mean after-all, Even if you can speak some Spanish you won't be around to give her gifts on her birthday. You won't be around to buy her that new pair of shoes. Men are the providers (in this culture) and if you aren't going to be here to help out, she isn't likely to be interested.

OTOH if you do live here, speak Spanish and can be available to take her to dinner at a nice restaurant or maybe a weekend trip to Guatape or San Jeronimo or someplace else. Now you are very interesting to her. If she sees you as a friend who can help out in times of need you become very handsome even if you are her grandfather's age. Girls are groomed to find a stable man who can be a productive member of the family. Mothers tell their daughters. "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man". Obviously there aren't enough "rich men" to go around. But show a girl that you live here, and can be a friend and sex will follow since it isn't a big deal. It is almost as plentiful as avocados.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828974]Why is that your mentality? Whenever I see a normal chick that I like I just talk to them normally and ask to get to know them or whatever. It does not pop into my head that I would pay her. Some of you guys are really too deep into this P4P shit.[/QUOTE]Why would a girl give it up for free to any John who approaches and talks to her? They know why John is in Colombia. Also, you assume that every John has game, speaks Spanish and is at least half decent looking, and this is not always the case. You have been talking a lot lately about "messing" with girls for free, if you can still pull that off, good for you, but then what are you doing on a mongering forum? My understanding is that you mess with average or below average looking girls, fucking them for free is not a big deal. Go ahead and try to score a hot chick without paying, and let us know how that goes.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828765]You have been talking a lot lately about "messing" with girls for free, if you can still pull that off, good for you, but then what are you doing on a mongering forum?[/QUOTE]They are women. They are not some sacred untouchable alien orb. So because I ate pizza today, I can not eat a ribeye tomorrow? Because I drove my car today, I can not ride my motorcycle tomorrow or my bicycle the next day? There is no either or or mutual exclusivity with paying chicks or fucking chicks for free. You know that both can be done right?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828765]My understanding is that you mess with average or below average looking girls,[/QUOTE]Where did you get that understanding from?

Look under FAQ. General Questions, What is the purpose of the forum? And it says in red bold print:

[B]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.[/B]

Now for those who have difficulty with reading comprehension in the English language, this is not a mongering board. This is a big tent forum about having sex with girls. Now please tell me that at least some of you out there know how to have sex with a girl without paying her. That discussion is very active other threads.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828975]Why do tourists always have the idea that local guys treat chicks bad but foreigners treat them well? This is a common bullshit idea in damn near every thread. There are locals that treat chicks good and there are foreigners that treat chicks like shit.[/QUOTE]I talk to all of my dates at length before I fuck them & I am talkin hundreds of paisas & I am hard pressed to remember just one who spoke highly of the local men. Of course, hookers are at the lower end of the strata but still, almost 100% speak ill of local men & that is why they are not livin the dream of a husband, children, a house etc. Etc. If a guy was treating my prospective dates good, they would not be selling their snatch for a pittance, Mr. Know=it=all Enternational.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829135]Why would a girl give it up for free to any John who approaches and talks to her? They know why John is in Colombia. Also, you assume that every John has game, speaks Spanish and is at least half decent looking, and this is not always the case. You have been talking a lot lately about "messing" with girls for free, if you can still pull that off, good for you, but then what are you doing on a mongering forum? My understanding is that you mess with average or below average looking girls, fucking them for free is not a big deal. Go ahead and try to score a hot chick without paying, and let us know how that goes.[/QUOTE]I've lived long enough now to know that hot chicks and ugly chicks are 2 different skill sets. Ugly girls are starved for male attention and sex. Guys don't hit on them or pay them no mind. I had a 65 yo women at a sports bar tell me she wanted to F me after talking to me for 10 minutes. Hot chicks don't do that. If ugly chick is a co worker she will immediately hit on you if you are friends. Hot chicks are so much work no matter your age. The 19 yo cashier at Taco Bell was smoking, she must get hit on 20 times a day. The song brickhouse was written for this girl. My late 40's ass at that time would have looked creepy trying to get a date, but I sure as hell would have paid her. That's why I love Brazil. There are a few of those types at one of the termas every time. They aren't in huge abundance anymore since help closed, but they are still there.

To sum up, I go to Brazil to bang hot chicks because I'm too lazy to hit on them in the states. I don't go for ugly chicks.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2829157]I talk to all of my dates at length before I fuck them & I am talkin hundreds of paisas & I am hard pressed to remember just one who spoke highly of the local men. Of course, hookers are at the lower end of the strata but still, almost 100% speak ill of local men & that is why they are not livin the dream of a husband, children, a house etc. Etc. If a guy was treating my prospective dates good, they would not be selling their snatch for a pittance, Mr. Know=it=all Enternational.[/QUOTE]Since you seem to only talk to hookers I guess you would not know that women that are not hookers talk about local men the same way. It has nothing to do with whether they are selling pussy or not. It works the same way as guys that come on this board and talk about the women where they are from. Really. Is every chick where you come from fat and bitchy?

You made two valid points. (1) Prepagos often have daddy issues that permeate their other interactions with men. (2) Prepagos are not the sum total of Colombian womanhood. The second point appears to be a distinction without a difference to some of us.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2829157]I talk to all of my dates at length before I fuck them & I am talkin hundreds of paisas & I am hard pressed to remember just one who spoke highly of the local men. Of course, hookers are at the lower end of the strata but still, almost 100% speak ill of local men & that is why they are not livin the dream of a husband, children, a house etc. Etc. If a guy was treating my prospective dates good, they would not be selling their snatch for a pittance, Mr. Know=it=all Enternational.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AfternoonSnack;2829094]I'm headed back to Medellin next week and my semi-pro novia invited me to a family finca party to meet her grandmother and the rest of her extended family. Any idea what I'm in for?[/QUOTE]You'll be required to give grandma a rim job. Don't forget that the correct term is "Beso Negro. " Afterwards, all the men in the family will spank you with bamboo while singing the Colombian National Anthem. At midnight everyone finds a goat to molest. Kind of like Friday night in rural Alabama, but in Spanish.

There will be food, drink and music. Some people will probably be dancing and will urge you to join them. The older generation will be interested in talking to you. The party will probably last until 2 or 3 am. Bring some special snack from home to share. My current favorite is a jar or 2 of bread and butter pickles. Treat it like a family reunion.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2829118]This is a roundabout way of saying girls are keen to use guys as ATMs. It's all good as long as the sex is to your liking.[/QUOTE]Well gee. I wasn't addressing direct pay-4-play but let's not be naive here. We all pay in one way or another. Unless you are a gigolo and the woman pays you.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2829097]As you are in fact their grandfather's age, that's what you want to think but it's self-delusion. To them it's like eating a bad meal for money, and if married to grandpa they are very likely to cheat with men they are attracted to.

Also one doesn't need to live in Colombia to provide birthday gifts and the like or even fill the role of "novio. " Many have a number of foreign men with this designation while the real novio is close to their age and Colombian. In fact good spending novios from afar are surely often preferred as they have to fuck them less.[/QUOTE]How would you know? Have you ever been out on a date that wasn't transactional in nature? I didn't think so.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2829157]I talk to all of my dates at length before I fuck them & I am talkin hundreds of paisas & I am hard pressed to remember just one who spoke highly of the local men. Of course, hookers are at the lower end of the strata but still, almost 100% speak ill of local men & that is why they are not livin the dream of a husband, children, a house etc. Etc. If a guy was treating my prospective dates good, they would not be selling their snatch for a pittance, Mr. Know=it=all Enternational.[/QUOTE]If you are a young heaux and a more seasoned heaux is giving you advice wouldn't the vet say, "Tell 'them that men from his country are amazing and our young men are all douchebags".

Just seems like good sales technique to build rapport.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829135]Why would a girl give it up for free to any John who approaches and talks to her? They know why John is in Colombia. Also, you assume that every John has game, speaks Spanish and is at least half decent looking, and this is not always the case. You have been talking a lot lately about "messing" with girls for free, if you can still pull that off, good for you, but then what are you doing on a mongering forum? My understanding is that you mess with average or below average looking girls, fucking them for free is not a big deal. Go ahead and try to score a hot chick without paying, and let us know how that goes.[/QUOTE]She wouldn't, not to "any John."

Why would any man assume the "any John" role?

I used to spend my time in strip clubs. I behaved just like anyone else, "any John", and only got attention from the ones wanting money. Then I learned to not be "any John. " I stopped approaching strippers and started just talking with girls.

Instead of spending $200 or more trying to get a girl interested in me, I would end up spending $50 and half the girls, the bouncers, cook and manager would drop by to say Hello,. A few of the girls took me to lunch or dinner, their treat. 4 ended up renting my spare bedroom at different times, several of them hired me to move them. For 1 week I was driving a stripper's Corvette, while she arranged an indoor parking spot for it. Another always asked me to take her to and from the airport, leaving her Infiniti with me as long as I fed her cats while she was away.

And some of them would fuck me for free.

If you approach any woman with the goal of getting her to fuck for money, the only good outcome is you might find one to fuck you for money.

If you approach any woman, just to talk, be friendly, get to know them, if you're the least bit interesting, some will be interested. It doesn't matter if you're the right age, weight or height. All that matters is that you're a nice guy who can carry a conversation. If so, there's a decent chance you'll walk out with a Whatsapp number.

Of course, in Colombia, if you're not willing to invest the time and effort into learning the language, it's going to be difficult.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2829053]Spot on information from DiscoverFL. Only thing I will add: those slots have almost dried up. For various reasons, they are severely limiting the volume of girls during the day. That's sad because despite what's been reported here, the daytime action was sufficient. In the past couple years, you might have 5-10 girls hanging out. It was a low-pressure, relaxed environment, which is my style. Now? They are severely restricting girls during the day and they are scheduling them out weeks in advance. The result: fewer choices and girls far more anxious to cash in on "their" day.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking about setting up a welcome cita with an old fave when I get back to Casa Blanca soon. Any recent reports of the coverage of young ladies by la piscina in the 4:00 to 6:00 range (late afternoon, early evening).

If fresh reports say the pool area is crowded during that time I may wait to book an advanced meeting and just socialize with the ladies who are around.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2829118]This is a roundabout way of saying girls are keen to use guys as ATMs. It's all good as long as the sex is to your liking.[/QUOTE]Is anyone going to man up and say that even if the girl is not charing them for sex that they spend COP on a girl that has "real" interest in them?

I will.

I have a girl in Colombia. And she is into me for me. And when I am there I spend money on her. And when I am not there I send her money.

Now I will stand back and let people call me dumb, stupid, Western Union Novio (don't use it), Simp or any number of derogatory terms they wish to use to make them feel better after reading about how a situation works for me and the sex is to my liking. A poster said that you cannot have it both ways. That you can pay girls to fuck you. And I would argue that just because you give money to a girl and you are fucking them that does not make you her client or her your prostitute.

I am complete agreement that there is some wack thinking up in here (my opinion) and maybe a step back is in order. However you choose to get your pussy is fine with me. Just don't try to tell me that the way you get your pussy is better than my way of getting pussy. Tell me HOW you get your pussy. That is what I am interested in.

Lastly, we are all just throwing around our opinions up in here. No one has proof that his way or what he is thinking is the right thing or the only way.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2829157]I talk to all of my dates at length before I fuck them & I am talkin hundreds of paisas & I am hard pressed to remember just one who spoke highly of the local men. Of course, hookers are at the lower end of the strata but still, almost 100% speak ill of local men & that is why they are not livin the dream of a husband, children, a house etc. Etc. If a guy was treating my prospective dates good, they would not be selling their snatch for a pittance, Mr. Know=it=all Enternational.[/QUOTE]Depending on how I lead a conversation, I can get the same girl to say Colombian men treat her badly, and that Colombian men treat her great.

Almost any Colombian will agree with what you say, no matter what you say. It's deeply ingrained in their culture.

I also spend time talking to girls. Not one has ever mentioned how Colombian men treat her, what she thinks about gringos who overpay, or what she thinks about US politics. I never talk to a working girl about those things, so they never come up.

In the past I spent quite a bit of time with a working girl and her boyfriend. I think now they've been together for about 12 years and have 2 kids together. My impression is that he mostly treats her right.

However, they're poor and he has minimal work skills. He works when he can and she works when she can. Treating her well doesn't feed the family.

There must be a list of casas on here but I cannot find it. Can any one point me in the right direction? I am in Medellin for the next week or so so if anyone wants to get together, please send me a PM. Thanks so much.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2829231]I've lived long enough now to know that hot chicks and ugly chicks are 2 different skill sets. Ugly girls are starved for male attention and sex. Guys don't hit on them or pay them no mind. I had a 65 yo women at a sports bar tell me she wanted to F me after talking to me for 10 minutes. Hot chicks don't do that. If ugly chick is a co worker she will immediately hit on you if you are friends. Hot chicks are so much work no matter your age. The 19 yo cashier at Taco Bell was smoking, she must get hit on 20 times a day. The song brickhouse was written for this girl. My late 40's ass at that time would have looked creepy trying to get a date, but I sure as hell would have paid her. That's why I love Brazil. There are a few of those types at one of the termas every time. They aren't in huge abundance anymore since help closed, but they are still there.

To sum up, I go to Brazil to bang hot chicks because I'm too lazy to hit on them in the states. I don't go for ugly chicks.[/QUOTE]Exactly. This is why I don't pay to fuck ugly or average chicks. Why would I, if I can get them for free with relatively low effort? Doesn't make any sense. I only pay to fuck women I can't score for free, or women that would take a lot of my time and effort if I tried to fuck them for free. Ugly chicks don't make my dick happy, so I don't care about them, p4 p or not.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2829274]How would you know? Have you ever been out on a date that wasn't transactional in nature? I didn't think so.[/QUOTE]You can sugarcoat it as you please, but what Paulie said is damn right. It is a human nature. Take the money or possibility of inheriting shit out of the equation, and your average gringo grandpa becomes a regular pensioner playing dominoes at your local park.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2829272]Well gee. I wasn't addressing direct pay-4-play but let's not be naive here. We all pay in one way or another. Unless you are a gigolo and the woman pays you.[/QUOTE]We may all spend money, but spending money when you are with a chick is not the same as paying to sleep with a chick. There is a difference. You are going to spend money in life whether a chick is with you or not. Hell, I could even go to an expensive steak house and spend $100 when I am alone but go to a buffet and spend $25 for 2 people when I am with a chick.

You are not wrong in my opinion.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2829288]Is anyone going to man up and say that even if the girl is not charing them for sex that they spend COP on a girl that has "real" interest in them?

I will.

I have a girl in Colombia. And she is into me for me. And when I am there I spend money on her. And when I am not there I send her money.

Now I will stand back and let people call me dumb, stupid, Western Union Novio (don't use it), Simp or any number of derogatory terms they wish to use to make them feel better after reading about how a situation works for me and the sex is to my liking. A poster said that you cannot have it both ways. That you can pay girls to fuck you. And I would argue that just because you give money to a girl and you are fucking them that does not make you her client or her your prostitute.

I am complete agreement that there is some wack thinking up in here (my opinion) and maybe a step back is in order. However you choose to get your pussy is fine with me. Just don't try to tell me that the way you get your pussy is better than my way of getting pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829148]They are women. They are not some sacred untouchable alien orb. So because I ate pizza today, I can not eat a ribeye tomorrow? Because I drove my car today, I can not ride my motorcycle tomorrow or my bicycle the next day? There is no either or or mutual exclusivity with paying chicks or fucking chicks for free. You know that both can be done right?

Where did you get that understanding from?[/QUOTE]I never said those quotes.

I am an ugly chick, old woman magnet. I don't know if that means I'm ugly, and don't realize it, or my being friendly to all coworkers including ugly ones make them think I'm interested. Weird thing is, I never flirt with unattractive girls. If I'm on lunch break with them, I will talk to them, but I never show sexual interest. One girl said I must be gay because I turned her down. She was a solid 4.

Hot girls on the other hand are like a riddle. You won't solve it unless you say and do and act in a way that triggers her attraction. That takes time.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2829344]I never said those quotes.[/QUOTE]I know man. It was MB, but the website software mistakenly quoted it to you and since the site owner will not take me off moderation I could not go back and change it.

I've had both normal girls I've dated and working girls tell me horror stories about Colombian guys, which has always made me assume they act worse than guys in the US and Europe. However, there are some hard stats that help illustrate the differences between Colombia and Western developed countries:

1) according to a recent study by Tinder / Bumble of over 600,000 Colombians 8 in 10 guys were unfaithful to their partners and 6 in 10 women were unfaithful to their partner. I'm attaching the link. It's in Spanish but it's amusing. Colombia is number 2 for unfaithfulness behind Brazil in Latin America.

[URL]https://noticias.caracoltv.com/actualidad/colombia-es-el-segundo-pais-con-mas-infieles-en-latinoamerica-segun-estudios-internacionales-rg10[/URL]

2) Colombia has a way higher level of femicides than the US or Europe (femicides women who are murdered due to their gender). In 2019 there were 570 reported in Colombia a country of over 50 million million. There were 470 reported in the US, a country of over 330 million, and the US is known as the country with the most per capita in the developed world. I had an interesting chat about this with a girl that is studying law in Medellin a while back. I used 2019 because I could easily find stats for that year for both countries.

I think infidelity for men in particular has to do with the culture and the legal system. Men are taught throughout Latin America that having a lot of women is a sign of being a successful man. My father-in-law, who is from Central America, for example, has three or four kids outside of wedlock. Secondly, there are no legal consequences practically for committing violence against women or abandoning kids. I know a couple of women in Medellin who have tried to get child support for their kids from a deadbeat dad but its taken years and both are still waiting for that money (both have six-year-olds). Most don't even bother. As we've seen with scopings, roberries, etc. , the fiscalia (I. E. Prosecutor) does a pretty poor job of investigating and prosecuting most crimes.

I lost count of how many hookers I've been with in Mexico Brazil or Colombia that were texting their boyfriends or husbands after we were done. They had no clue she was a hooker or cheating. Most people can't do monogamy unless they have no options.