Manila

ventured out to another area this past trip to manila. took in an evening at dynasty and athena on roxas boulevard in pasay city. there were mainly locals and koreans at both places. dynasty had some great girls and two passed on their specifics so we can hook up later. athena, well, it was same same but very different. not as fun with very pushy managers. at both places, you will get slammed for ladies drinks and mamasan drinks and cab driver drinks and christmas tips. the list is endless. unless you just want to be fawned over by hotties in evening wear for a few hours and a few benjamins, just go to edsa and cut to the chase.

rumor on the streets is that the quezon city establishments were recently raided and they have been laying low. if true, that is a shame as stardust is top quality. i will explore more on my next trip to manila soon.

been at at least a dozen 4 and 5 star hotels in manila in the last year and none has even peeped about bringing a guest (or two or three or four!) back to the room. in cebu, my friend had to "register" at the casino waterfront, but that was to protect me. it is also fairly common practice for the front desk to ring you up if your guest leaves unattended in the middle of the night (er, morning). they just want to make sure the guest is ok, not the girl. the girls expect this and none i have met seem the least bit put out by this.

i took taxis to and from makati central and the airport four times over the past week. get a metered taxi and it should be around 70 to 80 pesos. i advise not taking a hotel taxi as it is not necessary. just make sure the driver turns on the meter. tip what you will. getting a taxi when you first land is a bit more difficult with the set price (pay at the airport) of 250 pesos to makati on a metered taxi. beware of taking your hotel taxi because you may end up with a 500 pesos (or more) add on to your bill.

with a couple of hours to kill before my flight, i decided to try out air force one. i had a little trouble getting the directions after i got the number thru information, but the cabbie got on the line and off we went. it is located a mile or so just past the entrance to naia i at 888 ninoy aquino avenue (820.7249/820.7250). the place is a large, new building. very swank and lots of folks willing to assist. the name of the spa is actually flight 168 health spa and it is adjacent to the ktv. there are two floors to the spa. one is designated economy class and the other is business class. the only difference in the two is the quality of the rooms. the price goes up with the class, of course.

it is as luxurious as any establishment i have attended in manila. yet, the prices were reasonable and stated up front. in economy, it was 1200 pesos for the room (75 minutes) and the same for the masseuse. they gave me the special (before 7 pm) price. to choose the lady, they have the one-way mirror/window and you can choose between 30-40 girls.

the girls in first class or business were essentially no better looking, so i decided one economy.

the room was very clean. it had a shower and she assisted. pleasant personality. very cute. subpar massage, but we ended up enjoying each other fully. it was really a fun way to leave manila before my flight.

Fellow Mongers: I am a verteran of China, Vietnam, Thailand, and lots of other places but only going to Maniila for the first time.

Need advice-- will be staying at Edsa Shangrila-Mandaluyong (girl-friendly?) and would like upscale escort service delivered to my room, given tricky situation of business meetings there.

Any contacts? Like all types, full service.

Greatly appreciated!

Decan,

EDSA Shnagri-La hotel is girl friiendly. The staff is nice and the location is great for dining and shopping.

I have used several escort agencies in the past and I finally found one that I actually like. It is well managed and has a good selection of girls. The prices are not cheap (ranges from USD100 to USD500) but you could get some really nice girls. I do not think I can post the contact info here because of spam issues. So send me PM for information.

Cheers,

HRC

[QUOTE=HRC]Decan,

EDSA Shnagri-La hotel is girl friiendly. The staff is nice and the location is great for dining and shopping.

I have used several escort agencies in the past and I finally found one that I actually like. It is well managed and has a good selection of girls. The prices are not cheap (ranges from USD100 to USD500) but you could get some really nice girls. I do not think I can post the contact info here because of spam issues. So send me PM for information.

Cheers,

HRC[/QUOTE]Unless the PI has changed significantly, this is a huge rip-off. No, let me rephase that: Regardless, whether or not the PI has changes significantly, this is a huge rip-off. Unfortunately, someone may just bite.

I suppose "rip-off" would be subjective - if HRC has the means, and if he finds the women to his liking, then he should have the luxury of being "ripped off".

From what I've gathered, and from my one experience with Benz, there seems to be a huge quality gap, from a Pinoy's perspective, in what they offer.

We lust for the mestizas on the high end in the 40 to 140k range, for 3hrs.
Resident pinoys may have the extra incentive in that they have seen thse celebs, starlets on the big screen.

As a non-resident, their being celebs has no value - and neither am I going to pay $2,500/3hrs for talent that I can get in the german FKKs or Prague.
They must be doing good business, and only wish them well.

On the other end, Benz' stable (5 to 10k) seem to be students, and not exactly the type that Pinoys go for, for they don't seem to be a notch above the bar girls' level, beauty-wise.

I do wish some agency would offer the middle ground - educated, non-bargirl looking types in the 5 to 10k range.

Which probably leaves places like Stardust for folks like me - 10 to 15k for longer than 3hrs and with mestiza types. Which is exactly where I'll be next month, prowling the QC area, and away from LA cafe and the agencies..

Most of my visits to Manila have involved trips to either EDSA or P.Bugos area with the occassional stop off at Skyline.

Having heard a lot about Miss Universal I want to make a call in there on my next trip this week - can any one provide any information for me.

Cheers

[QUOTE=HarryDHo]Unless the PI has changed significantly, this is a huge rip-off. No, let me rephase that: Regardless, whether or not the PI has changes significantly, this is a huge rip-off. Unfortunately, someone may just bite.[/QUOTE]Good call Harry. I would have never noticed it until you pointed it out. It looks like these 2 messages were from 1 person.

The obvious thing is that there is no meaning in having an escort agency in Manila. The bottom line is, if you can't get laid in the Philippines, then there is no hope for you in any country.

All readers beware of bullshit posts.

[QUOTE=HarryDHo]Unless the PI has changed significantly, this is a huge rip-off. No, let me rephase that: Regardless, whether or not the PI has changes significantly, this is a huge rip-off. Unfortunately, someone may just bite.[/QUOTE]

I agree that this is most likely a rip off. However, I have seen and once experienced a more expensive girl in the PI. Went to a club with a taxi about four years ago. The place was very nice and I had a good time. The mama set me up with one of the pretties girl I had ever seen. Great body as well. Beautiful Pinay with all the breast and ass any man could desire.

I agreed to the price of $3,000 peso, even though I was accustomed to paying $1,000 peso at EDSA during that time. Little did I know that this was for one pop and she was ready to leave. I complained to her that it was for all night, but she insisted she has to go. She did give me her phone number, but I was leaving the next morning so I never called her. I had the impression that more could be had with her if I called her directly.

To the point. I thought was that this girl was definitely a better level of beauty than I usually select from P. Burgos or EDSA or other places. I hope my past pictures speak for themselves in that I do know what beauty truly is.

So, it may be worth it and it may not depending on the monger. Some may just like to idea of never leaving the room and knowing 100% they will get sex. We could all do the Internet date route, but again the monger may not be able to do this and just want the convenience and guarantee just like being in the USA.

FF

Had stayed previously at Inter Continental makati but this time due to business arrangement will be staying at Edsa Shangrila, is this near to the famous Edsa redlight area? Further there was info stating there is a big shopping complex nearby..would this be Shoe Mart (SM).

The online site map provided by the Hotel website was not very helpful. I had look at previous threads but info for Shangrila Edsa is very sketchy compared to info on Shangrila Makati.

And one very important question is the hote girl-friendly?

Thank you.

To HarryDHo and asobihodai:

I try to avoid getting in meaningless arguments with other members of the forum - everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, in this case, you question my credibility and I feel that I should respond to that.

I guess I see the point that for those people who come to the Philippines as sex tourists, escort agencies do not make sense. You can get cheap pussy anywhere you look. It seems to me that some members of the forum believe that this forum should be limited to the information on how to get cheap sex.

That's where I disagree. I spent a considerable amount of time in this country and I tried almost everything - internet dating, malling, go-go bars, street hookers, massage parlors, casas, you name it. I can also say that I did try escort services.

Regarding the choice of using escort services - first time I just wanted to try to see what is so special about the escorts. I agree that, in many cases, you end up getting the same girl as you could meet anywhere else but for higher price. However, if you can actually find a good provider, you could get a quality provider - the one that you could not only bang but also take to some event and have a nice dinner and a conversation with.

This forum is full of people that question the meaning of escort services. Even back in the US or Europe they usually limit themselves to SWs or AMPs. I would like to point out again for HarryDHo and asobihodai that this forum does cover the exchange of information on escort services. So if it is not your cup of tea, just keep it to yourself without offending others.

When one member of the forum inquired about the info on escort services, I offered to share my experience to him and others who are interested. There are numerous escort services in Manila and some of them I consider rip-offs (the quality of service was below expectations). I guess my definition of rip-off is different from HarryDHo's. This info was offered not to advertise any particular escort service but to save money and effort to those who actually made their mind about using them.

Finally, to asobihodai, I'm still puzzled with your statement that "It looks like these 2 messages were from 1 person."

Cheers,

HRC

[QUOTE=asobihodai]Good call Harry. I would have never noticed it until you pointed it out. It looks like these 2 messages were from 1 person.

The obvious thing is that there is no meaning in having an escort agency in Manila. The bottom line is, if you can't get laid in the Philippines, then there is no hope for you in any country.

All readers beware of bullshit posts.[/QUOTE]To asobihodai":

1 - As HRC and I have PM-ed once, I can confirm that he and I are not one. ok, dude?

If you had read my post, I said I had NO intention of going to these agencies,
so all this talk of bullshit posts and insinuating that HRC and I are plugging
really gets my goat.

On the lowend, 5000pesos (100USD) the talent doesn't move me.

On the higher end, I'm not going to pay 140,000pesos (USD 2500) for 3 hours for women, who while they're certainly more attractive, are not Prague bunnies by any stretch.

While I was born there, I didn't grow up with these women of the silver screen.

If you were from the PI, you would know that the PI doesn't have its share of the elite and the upper middle class who would pay for the privilege. Yes, Filipinos. Paying $2500US, for 3 hours. They exist you know.

What makes you think you foreigners are the only game in town?

2 - As for not being able to get laid anywhere, I'm cool with myself. I have sex on my own terms, the ambience, her face when you're not looking, the moon's position in the sky, whatever. and sometimes I walk away.

I have had good paid, and non-paid experiences in NYC, LA, Geneva, Amsterdam and the German FKKs, for anywhere from 50USD to 1500 USD.

So you'll forgive me if I pass on your definition of manhood. For some of us, the payoff isn't in how many I scored for the cheapest possible.

3 - Frequent Flier - I'm sure you know that, whether its an agency girl, or from a club, that the girl has to give up part of the money, right. So, with your 3000pesos (53US), if the girl kept even half, did you actually expect a beauty to sleep with you and fuck you for 8-9 hours, for 25 fucking dollars? Third World this may be, but we aint THAT pathetic. Jeez people.

What really gets me are foreigners coming to my country and getting all righteous about having scammed 10, 15, 20 bucks off the price - when they'll be paying three times that for a gum-infected BJ from a sore-infested junkie with sagging pus-filled tits in a sleazebag motel off the Jersey interstate. In dead winter.

I have paid 4000pesos for just a BJ (we got stoned and laughed our heads off) from a LA cafe girl, and oh once I paid 8,000 pesos to a Skyline massage girl, for a round, and a meal after her shift. Once or twice, I was too drunk, and I actually paid normal price (1000 pesos) but come to think, more often I pay no less than 3000pesos for sex in Manila. Or double what they think they'll get.and I never do overnights, so say 3 hrs max.

Why?

- Nickel-and-diming another human being doesn't get me off.

- Good karma begets good karma. its' not the country's GDP, but what yours is, when you feel it.

- While I do it out of charity sometimes, what do you think my chances are now of getting almost-free heavenly loving sex 5 times a day for a week in Boracay, when I call the Skyline (chinita, bubble butt, globes for tits) beauty next month?

- Some girls are greedy and just plain lowlifes, but for the most part, the stories of need and despair are true, and we can never know that kind of pain. which doesn't make me a charity ATM, but context is everything.

To those who'll howl and scream about how dude you're screwing it for the rest of us, and what a newbie, - well, tough.

Make more money then.

This next trip, I'll be even more generous. hell, i've had a great year.

Its' my money, it's my country, and my countrywomen - and i'll do as I damn please.

Let us altogether now get real. nuff said.

Frequent Flyer,

You can ask a taxi to take you to a Casa where there are neighborhood hotties. They negotiate with foreigners starting at about $75 or so, the cabbie will get a cut. You walk in and there are some 30 smiling babes all waiting for you to choose her. You can sit there for awhile and pick he best one.

HRC,

Its not my intent on "offending" you however, your post is absurd! Think about it. $100 - $500 is a huge difference. Also, in-call is the worst way to go. Somethin's up here. There, info for ya!

You want to do something different? There will be a man sitting outside each 3 star and above hotel. Give him a description of what you want or ask him to take you around. There's a real night out that most here haven't experienced.

To HRC & Mr. Pandesal,

Thanks for the great common sense and honest replies. You guys are truly legends.

JT

[QUOTE=Mr Pandesal]To asobihodai":
If you were from the PI, you would know that the PI doesn't have its share of the elite and the upper middle class who would pay for the privilege. Yes, Filipinos. Paying $2500US, for 3 hours. They exist you know.
What makes you think you foreigners are the only game in town?

I meant to say, the PI DOES have its share of folks who can afford it, so let's all live and let live.

To the "foreigners", I apologize for any hostility implicit in my tone.

If anything, after over two decades of absence, I am practically one myself.

And certainly, when I'm in Europe or North America, I am one, depite my US passport. I just stay cool that's all.

To HRC - well said, and certainly in more articulate, mature and more generous terms than mine.

Mr Pandesal,

Excellent points. There's not a damn thing wrong with being yourself, being human and paying a fair price. Being generous does not, as you know, make one a boob, but can make one feel quite good. When I buy a round for the house or buy too many ladies drinks, I am not being ripped off. I'm getting something for my money. True, the return is intangible outwardly, but what feelings are not ?

Regarding barfine, I tend not to discuss money up front and pay what I think is fair. Usually more than the mean rate here, but not quite as generously as you do. Yeah, you will no doubt generate a few mumbles out there "He's driving the price up". Who cares ? Anyone who really believes that doesn't understand basic supply and demand.

Now, just because neither you nor I take pride in "nickel and diming" doesn't mean I can not identify with the guy out there on a fixed income who needs to watch his money but still wants to have a good time. I think there is room here for both types of monger and there's certainly a market out there for them. Let's just all treat the ladies with respect, as long as we are receiving it in return.

As far as a trick by the Jersey turnpike, no thanks. American working girls scare the crap out of me ! :)

FD