Paris

Yes, as posters now all seem to realise, the sex scene is dead in Paris.

It has turned into a city for wankers........

Let me explain, you have all the so called sex shops on Rue St denis, Pigalle etc, but they really mean....self-sex shops, they will say they will do this act and that act then fail to deliver, so...you take yourself in hand!

Sales of porno/rental of porno dvds/satellite TV, have all now taken the place of face to face human sex.....again, take yourself in hand.

Exchangiste clubs ( ie partner swopping clubs), only if you are handsome or gone in with an attractive woman will you be allowed to have sex with another mans woman in the club.....so your left again, taking yourself in hand.

Sex in France is only between the French ( and the beautiful French at that), foreigners need not apply, the exacting standards required to get off with a French woman is the same as trying to get off with a top model.

Once again Paris...au revoir...........for sex....and for ever!

PS Guys, I welcome being proved wrong....and I am not talking about the current crop of asians, over 50s on the Rue or 200-300 euro an hour models, come on show us the alternative.........

[QUOTE=Road Lover]Thanks for all your wonderful reports. I am a first timer in France and would spend a short week in Fontainbleau and may be a couple of days in paris. I am discouraged by the reports on the difficulty of getting action in smaller towns in France. I am told Paris is a just an hour away. Do I need to go to Paris to satisfy my urges! For someone not staying in Paris proper, are there places one can visit where service could be had? I have read the excellent description about swing clubs, but they look chancy dont they? Any other contacts for a willing member please?

Could you give me any help and tips?[/QUOTE]Besides multiple 'cut and paste' requests, doing a search, I found this one interesting:
[post]502375[/post]

and in his own words:
[post]503374[/post]
[QUOTE=Road Lover]But I seem to have been shunned so viciously by in the forum. I have tried explaning and I have apologised but to no avail. Now I am really afraid to share anything in this forum, as I seem to have no credibility left, which indeed is quite sad.[/QUOTE]

Personally, I'm always skeptical of someone who doesn't want the girl to size HIM up first in a neutral place.

Is it me or these links points to Tokyo Forum?

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Besides multiple 'cut and paste' requests, doing a search, I found this one interesting:
[post]502375[/post]

and in his own words:
[post]503374[/post]

Personally, I'm always skeptical of someone who doesn't want the girl to size HIM up first in a neutral place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bbois77]Yes, as posters now all seem to realise, the sex scene is dead in Paris.

It has turned into a city for wankers.

Let me explain, you have all the so called sex shops on Rue St denis, Pigalle etc, but they really mean. Self-sex shops, they will say they will do this act and that act then fail to deliver, so. You take yourself in hand!

Sales of porno/rental of porno dvds/satellite TV, have all now taken the place of face to face human sex. Again, take yourself in hand.

Exchangiste clubs (ie partner swopping clubs), only if you are handsome or gone in with an attractive woman will you be allowed to have sex with another mans woman in the club. So your left again, taking yourself in hand.

Sex in France is only between the French (and the beautiful French at that), foreigners need not apply, the exacting standards required to get off with a French woman is the same as trying to get off with a top model.

Once again Paris. Au revoir. For sex. And for ever!

PS Guys, I welcome being proved wrong. And I am not talking about the current crop of asians, over 50s on the Rue or 200-300 euro an hour models, come on show us the alternative. [/QUOTE]I have to agree 100% with you on this. I was in Paris two weeks ago for the first time and could not find any p4p action at all. I walked down Pigalle district and was solicited at every shop I passed. Thankfully I read through the forum before I left to know to avoid these places.

[QUOTE=Denis]May I had these

6. You can find some cheap SW rue Myrha (next to Barbes) most of the girls are black African , usual deal is 20€ in their place near by (dodgy hotel)
It looks unsafe but it is not, at least during the day.

7. Few old timers with a lot of miles can also still be found rue St Denis , price range from 40 to 50€.

8. Action can be found also in vans near the cimetary at the Porte d'Asnieres
Most of the girls are from North Africa , price range from 20 for a CBJ to 30/40 for FS. Most of them are mid 40 overweight but if you are a big tits lover this is the place to go.

9. Action can be found also in Vans in the Bois de Vincennes, prices same as porte d'asnieres, girls are uselly from Africa or French rather old, 45/60, service with the blacks is normally rushed, but you can find some young pretty good looking ones.

10. Web site to find non pro kijiji or vivastreet , I had very good success there but you must speak French. Price is normally 50 to 100€ maximum

11. Escort Agency, best is to find girls on tours, most of them are from Eastern Europe and Russian , price is normally between 200 to 300 per hour, but everything is negociable if you need longer , incall or outcall are usely availble, incall is a better deal as normally the girl will ask you to come to her hotel (most of the time IBIS) if you look at it , you pay 200 but you do not have to pay for the hotel.

Happy Hunting

Denis[/QUOTE]Another potential source for free-bee action in Paris (and actually France) is a dating site called Meetic. There a quite a few ladies in the age between 44 and 53 looking to find back some action in their life. You need to master the French language, and be patient, but very high potential to score.

Dear fellowmongers,

You are right to stress the Paris scene is nothing compared with Germany, England, well, the rest of the world, nearly...

As I have previously mentioned on this forum, apart from the girls working for the East European agencies (and they get numerous, but at what prices?...), the best hint is to try the swingers'clubs, or better still get in touch with some woman ready to accompany you there in the afternoon or in the evening. I have had some awesome experiences, and will again soon, for €200. Yes, that's several times what you pay in Warsaw or Bucharest, but when I am in Paris and don't feel like going with a SW for a mere half hour, this is the works!

I am ready to give you some contacts in PM. I am even willing to help you with the initial contact (in writing or by phone) if your French is basic. No string attached: I like it when some foreign guy helps me likewise (sounds like the brotherhood of mongers, doesn't it?...). Most of these ladies do not speak good English but are always willing to extend their network of "friends".

[QUOTE=Frenchie]Dear fellowmongers,

You are right to stress the Paris scene is nothing compared with Germany, England, well, the rest of the world, nearly..

As I have previously mentioned on this forum, apart from the girls working for the East European agencies (and they get numerous, but at what prices?...), the best hint is to try the swingers'clubs, or better still get in touch with some woman ready to accompany you there in the afternoon or in the evening. I have had some awesome experiences, and will again soon, for €200. Yes, that's several times what you pay in Warsaw or Bucharest, but when I am in Paris and don't feel like going with a SW for a mere half hour, this is the works!

I am ready to give you some contacts in PM. I am even willing to help you with the initial contact (in writing or by phone) if your French is basic. No string attached: I like it when some foreign guy helps me likewise (sounds like the brotherhood of mongers, doesn't it?...). Most of these ladies do not speak good English but are always willing to extend their network of "friends".[/QUOTE]Frenchie,

does this mean you pay €200 to a pro or semi-pro to join you to a swinger's club? Would they commit to stay with you or is it just a kind of entry-fee? Looks an interesting idea, but you could as well stay the whole afternoon with the semi-pro alone?

I want to a night club across from the Louve last night. Downstairs at the bar there always seems to be some working girls looking to make some extra money. The are mostly african, but some could be models, very nice looking. I took 2 out last night. they wanted 200 eur each but all i had was 180 total so the came to my room togehter and you know the rest.

I have only been to this club 2 times and both times there where from 5 to 10 working girls at the bar downstairs.

The culb is La Scala and they charge 15 euro to get in. I was there on Sat and friday night. I know they are closed on sunday night.

If anyone knows of some other clubs with working girls please tell me

Any good massage establishments you could recommend? I'll be staying not too far from the Pompidou Center. What a reasonable price to pay for an hour? Full service is not necessary but at least a HJ from is nice lady is...

Thanks in advance.

Jon,

You'll find a list of 15 massage++ places on [url]www.parisrelaxation.com[/url]
There are for most them some details about the services so you'll know what you'll get. Even if you don' t read english, the site is simple and goes direct to the point.

I've started exploring some establisments. So far "Thai Beauté" in the south of the 15th district is a good spot but you might have to wait for a while as it seems some people start to know about the place. Call before not to be disappointed.

If you go, please share your experience.

DeepDeepDiver

Thanks for the link - very helpful. Is 120 euros for an hour massage with a HJ close to the going rate?

Jon

Guys...I am sorry....but 120 euro/£85/$160 for wank.......is outrageous, IMHO, its not on, its a rip off,......... its un-constitutional....at the very least......come on!!

Buy your cheapo ticket to Warsaw, have a long weekend, cheap food, an hour for the grand total of £18..........:)

Jon,

Indeed, 120 euros is what you can expect in these places including HJ. The prices usually start at 80 or 90 for a "standard" massage of 1 hour. You may ask for longer time and extra services. The one I mentioned is also offering sauna & jaccuzi. I haven't tried so I can't say what you may get in there but looking at the quite good choice of girls working there, it might be worth a try.

By the way, I didn't mention but the name "Thai beaute" doesn't mean you'll find only asian. I tried yesterday to go there and I was nicely asked by a european girl, probably from east europe, to come back 1,5 hour later as all of them were busy at that time. I changed to another place, called "Siam Nouat Thai" in the 14 district (15 rue Jean Zay). It's the second time I go there but I didn't get any extra such as HJ even if the massage is really erotic. The price there is 90 euros. 3 girls working there.

Because I had a good experience in one club several months ago I spent a long weekend in Paris to explore swinger clubs. I made six visits and all of them were complete busts. Combined with my last trip that makes one single success in 10 visits. I am giving up on Paris unless I absolutely have no other options. Paying for sex in Paris is a disaster. The swinger clubs are the best bet, but even they are not worth the time, trouble, and expense. The real tragedy of this visit is that instead of wasting several days in Paris I could have rented a car and gone to Germany, but I had been to Germany many times before and decided I should broaden my experiences.

On Saturday I visited Escapade. There were several couples there including one with a very nice athletic looking Asian girl. After I arrived another couple with a hot thin girl who had a body like a model and a nice face showed up. She looked to be about 25. Unfortunately neither of the nice girls decided to participate. The model girl came into the back room while an ugly girl was getting gangbanged and got everyone’s hopes up, but then left without doing anything. There was a third doable girl, but she was just barely acceptable, and the moment she indicated some interest she was swarmed and overwhelmed. Guys were pushing, fighting for position, and arguing among themselves. She quickly lost interest and told everyone to stop before any penetration happened. I wasn’t sure, but I think I overheard the model girl saying that there were too many guys. The cute girls stayed for an hour or two (just late enough to spoil the possibility of trying another club) and when they left so did I.

I stopped at Pluriel on the way home and wasn’t admitted. They told me that there were too many men inside.

The next day I tried Quai 17. This was a more elaborate club and it was priced accordingly at 100 euros to enter plus a cheesy 2 euro charge to check your coat (so you end up walking around with a pocket full of change that will spill on the floor as soon as you take your pants down). Again there were two couples with cute girls and again neither of these couples did a damned thing. I left after they did.

After that I wised up. I went to Au 10 bis when it opened at one o’clock because I knew that they had a policy of limiting the number of single men. But as I tried to walk in at 5 minutes past the hour I was told that they were already not admitting any more single men. Then I noticed several other men waiting outside. I spoke with them. They told me the club allowed 3 men in for every couple, but it was ok to wait outside. They told me that 3 men had gone in the moment the club had opened, so no more could enter until a couple showed up. So three men were inside looking at each other and at the walls and waiting for a woman to show up. We waited and watched who went in. It was embarrassing standing there in public, especially since the guy I was talking to spoke loudly about wanting more couples to show up, etc … regardless of what young girls or older ladies were passing right by us on the street. We waited 50 minutes, only three couples showed up in that time, and none of the women were attractive. All of the guys but one went in anyway, but the guy I was with remained outside with me. He wasn’t any more interested in these women than I was and he told me that if there were no good couples in the first 45 minutes you could probably forget it. He left and so did I, but at least this time I saved my money.

I went to Pluriel, which opened at 4 and had a 30 euro afternoon entry fee. I got there at 2:15, walked in after ringing and waiting a long time, and was about to give my coat and pay when I saw that the place was dark and the coatroom was empty. I asked if I was the first and the woman who greeted me said harshly “we open at 4 PM, monsieur!”. I said that maybe I could come back later when there were more people. She said “no!”, led me to the door, and said good bye. I waited outside for an hour to see who went in. Several poor guys did, but not a single girl.

The guy outside Au 10 bis had told me about sauna clubs and I decided to try one. I went to Provence something on rue de Provence behind the Galeries Lafayette near the opera. It cost only 30 euros to get in and it had the potential to be nice. Everyone wears a towel like in a German FKK or a Brazilian therma. Unfortunately there were 4 women and they were all zeros. (Yes zeros – 60 years old and round like beach balls.) There was a couple in a room making noises and several men waited outside like hyenas for about a half hour only to find when the door finally opened that the woman inside was just another zero.

I went to Nuits de Venus on 9 rue Pelican. Again I got there right as it opened and waited for a cute girl to go in. And the first couple who showed up included a young pretty blonde, so I waited 5 minutes and followed them in. I paid 85 euros plus another cheesy 3 euro coatroom fee. Shortly afterwards another couple with a girl who wasn’t bad showed up. And damn it! Again neither couple did a damned thing! The nice blonde left without even taking a look downstairs. The other girl came down and watched while a not very cute girl was getting banged. She started to participate, licking the girl’s tit and her boyfriend got behind her, but then she changed her mind. Later she got in a conversation with some guys and explained that she didn’t want to do anything because there weren’t enough people. She wanted more men and wanted to see people having sex all around her. This discussion, or rather begging, lasted for 20 or 30 minutes before she left with her boyfriend. She wasn’t really that hot anyway. I wouldn’t have been interested in one on one sex with her, but a gangbang might have been ok.

I tried one last time at Pluriel, which was nearby. They again told me I couldn’t come in because there were too many men inside. I assume they were doing me a favor. As I left another guy came towards me and asked me how it was. I said I didn’t get in because there were too many men. He said yes, it is always like that late at night. He said he knew of another club that was better and did I want him to show me. He walked towards a taxi. He was a taxi driver. He said there was a good club near the Madeleine, and did I know about it. I said no. It sounded interesting. He told me to get in and said he wouldn’t charge me. I said ok. I was on my guard since I was getting into a car with a stranger, but he wasn’t bigger than me. It seemed ok.

As soon as we were on our way he said that he needed to explain something. This other club didn’t work quite the same as Pluriel where people go there just to have sex. It was more of a bar and the sex was not guaranteed, but a young guy like me should have a good chance. Suddenly it all became clear that this was a scam and I felt foolish for not recognizing it sooner. I told him that I knew about these bars on the Madeleine (I had no idea what he was talking about) and it was late anyway, so I wasn’t interested. He tried to pressure me, but then gave up. Then he stopped and said that anyway the place was right on the corner (though suddenly he wasn’t interested in going anymore). He pointed it out to me. I got out and looked. We weren’t close to the Madeleine - though we had been going in the right direction - and the bar he pointed out was an empty ordinary bar. At least we were close to my hotel, so I had scammed him for a free ride home.

[QUOTE=Catalyst]Because I had a good experience in one club several months ago I spent a long weekend in Paris to explore swinger clubs. I made six visits and all of them were complete busts. Combined with my last trip that makes one single success in 10 visits. I am giving up on Paris unless I absolutely have no other options. Paying for sex in Paris is a disaster. The swinger clubs are the best bet, but even they are not worth the time, trouble, and expense. The real tragedy of this visit is that instead of wasting several days in Paris I could have rented a car and gone to Germany, but I had been to Germany many times before and decided I should broaden my experiences.

On Saturday I visited Escapade. There were several couples there including one with a very nice athletic looking Asian girl. After I arrived another couple with a hot thin girl who had a body like a model and a nice face showed up. She looked to be about 25. Unfortunately neither of the nice girls decided to participate. The model girl came into the back room while an ugly girl was getting gangbanged and got everyone’s hopes up, but then left without doing anything. There was a third doable girl, but she was just barely acceptable, and the moment she indicated some interest she was swarmed and overwhelmed. Guys were pushing, fighting for position, and arguing among themselves. She quickly lost interest and told everyone to stop before any penetration happened. I wasn’t sure, but I think I overheard the model girl saying that there were too many guys. The cute girls stayed for an hour or two (just late enough to spoil the possibility of trying another club) and when they left so did I.

I stopped at Pluriel on the way home and wasn’t admitted. They told me that there were too many men inside.

The next day I tried Quai 17. This was a more elaborate club and it was priced accordingly at 100 euros to enter plus a cheesy 2 euro charge to check your coat (so you end up walking around with a pocket full of change that will spill on the floor as soon as you take your pants down). Again there were two couples with cute girls and again neither of these couples did a damned thing. I left after they did.

After that I wised up. I went to Au 10 bis when it opened at one o’clock because I knew that they had a policy of limiting the number of single men. But as I tried to walk in at 5 minutes past the hour I was told that they were already not admitting any more single men. Then I noticed several other men waiting outside. I spoke with them. They told me the club allowed 3 men in for every couple, but it was ok to wait outside. They told me that 3 men had gone in the moment the club had opened, so no more could enter until a couple showed up. So three men were inside looking at each other and at the walls and waiting for a woman to show up. We waited and watched who went in. It was embarrassing standing there in public, especially since the guy I was talking to spoke loudly about wanting more couples to show up, etc … regardless of what young girls or older ladies were passing right by us on the street. We waited 50 minutes, only three couples showed up in that time, and none of the women were attractive. All of the guys but one went in anyway, but the guy I was with remained outside with me. He wasn’t any more interested in these women than I was and he told me that if there were no good couples in the first 45 minutes you could probably forget it. He left and so did I, but at least this time I saved my money.

I went to Pluriel, which opened at 4 and had a 30 euro afternoon entry fee. I got there at 2:15, walked in after ringing and waiting a long time, and was about to give my coat and pay when I saw that the place was dark and the coatroom was empty. I asked if I was the first and the woman who greeted me said harshly “we open at 4 PM, monsieur!”. I said that maybe I could come back later when there were more people. She said “no!”, led me to the door, and said good bye. I waited outside for an hour to see who went in. Several poor guys did, but not a single girl.

The guy outside Au 10 bis had told me about sauna clubs and I decided to try one. I went to Provence something on rue de Provence behind the Galeries Lafayette near the opera. It cost only 30 euros to get in and it had the potential to be nice. Everyone wears a towel like in a German FKK or a Brazilian therma. Unfortunately there were 4 women and they were all zeros. (Yes zeros – 60 years old and round like beach balls.) There was a couple in a room making noises and several men waited outside like hyenas for about a half hour only to find when the door finally opened that the woman inside was just another zero.

I went to Nuits de Venus on 9 rue Pelican. Again I got there right as it opened and waited for a cute girl to go in. And the first couple who showed up included a young pretty blonde, so I waited 5 minutes and followed them in. I paid 85 euros plus another cheesy 3 euro coatroom fee. Shortly afterwards another couple with a girl who wasn’t bad showed up. And damn it! Again neither couple did a damned thing! The nice blonde left without even taking a look downstairs. The other girl came down and watched while a not very cute girl was getting banged. She started to participate, licking the girl’s tit and her boyfriend got behind her, but then she changed her mind. Later she got in a conversation with some guys and explained that she didn’t want to do anything because there weren’t enough people. She wanted more men and wanted to see people having sex all around her. This discussion, or rather begging, lasted for 20 or 30 minutes before she left with her boyfriend. She wasn’t really that hot anyway. I wouldn’t have been interested in one on one sex with her, but a gangbang might have been ok.

I tried one last time at Pluriel, which was nearby. They again told me I couldn’t come in because there were too many men inside. I assume they were doing me a favor. As I left another guy came towards me and asked me how it was. I said I didn’t get in because there were too many men. He said yes, it is always like that late at night. He said he knew of another club that was better and did I want him to show me. He walked towards a taxi. He was a taxi driver. He said there was a good club near the Madeleine, and did I know about it. I said no. It sounded interesting. He told me to get in and said he wouldn’t charge me. I said ok. I was on my guard since I was getting into a car with a stranger, but he wasn’t bigger than me. It seemed ok.

As soon as we were on our way he said that he needed to explain something. This other club didn’t work quite the same as Pluriel where people go there just to have sex. It was more of a bar and the sex was not guaranteed, but a young guy like me should have a good chance. Suddenly it all became clear that this was a scam and I felt foolish for not recognizing it sooner. I told him that I knew about these bars on the Madeleine (I had no idea what he was talking about) and it was late anyway, so I wasn’t interested. He tried to pressure me, but then gave up. Then he stopped and said that anyway the place was right on the corner (though suddenly he wasn’t interested in going anymore). He pointed it out to me. I got out and looked. We weren’t close to the Madeleine - though we had been going in the right direction - and the bar he pointed out was an empty ordinary bar. At least we were close to my hotel, so I had scammed him for a free ride home.[/QUOTE]


Good report! I hope everyone will understand that they need not waste their time and money trying to have a good time in a swinger club without being accompanied. By definition if you are alone, you have to go to club which accept single men, and this is not where swinger couples like to go, except old bitches who want to be gang banged...
There are quite a lot of girls, students or other, who will accept to accompany you for around 200 Euros. That's your entry ticket. In such case, you go to couple's only clubs, and you can really have fun.,Make clear with the girl that she cannot leave the club once you are in.. If so, you will have to leave as well.. But the girls does not need to partticipate if she does n ot want.