Kyiv

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1259542]Ten hours of glorious sleep later it was time to make the most of my last day in Kiev. While laying there I felt a strong urge for someone fun, and NOW. Call it lazy, call it wasting money, call me a shill if you want. I called Gia again. It worked so well last time that with just 24 hours left in Kiev I wanted one more absolutely guaranteed hotty.

Polina showed up within 45 minutes. Dressed in very classic business attire, this tall, sort of innocent looking girl with a gorgeous smile looked WAY to good to be true. The coolest part is she was giving me an amazing passionate kiss seconds after walking through the door. She proved to be a total Energizer Bunny. Site says she is 29, I didn't believe it, but she insists. On the pencil thin side, but I finally got to cum watching that amazing ass slap up against me. We got along like a couple long lost friends. Love it when you run across a pro that enjoys what she's doing, and makes you crazy in the process. Those that say Gia is overpriced, may be right, but based on a worldwide market I say they offer damn good value for the money. Prices are well below top quality US agencies, and exactly the same as in Montreal. When an agency goes two for two at the quality of who they sent me I call it top notch.

If you old timers say Gia is over, then who is a currently stepping up to offer real pics, and services that happen as defined today in Kiev? If there is another source that provides this quality in Kiev I sure wish I had known about it, and I'm sure those that follow in my tracks will too.

I'm interested in quality p4p rather than freebies. Already have a couple of emails from the Mamba girl that spent the night. The expectations that come along with messing with someone's head like that amount to karmic debt I'd the rather not mess with. Remember this was intended, and probably is my only visit to Kiev.

I had another potential freebie scheduled for tonight, but decided to flake on her. I had already purchased tickets for a dance performance I wanted to see, and being without a date decided to call my guide girl and see if she would join me, on the clock of course. She was free, so I booked the day. Turned out we spent the afternoon doing the tourist tour of all the normal sites in Kiev. Beautiful city and seemingly pretty nice people. If I were looking at working for another ten years I would have to consider moving here. Fact is I see the other side of the SSI too soon to consider any new opportunities.

Decided to take the gorgeous guide girl to a nice dinner. It was a treat sharing a bottle of Pouilly-Montrachet with this articulate, stunning woman. Nice to know that there will be a woman remembering me fondly in Kiev, for our conversation and nothing more. She won't be hoping for a passport, or an outfit, this lady and her kind will be running things one day. She left in her taxi and I went back to the room for some, well earned shuteye.

On the plane to Amsterdam in the morning.[/QUOTE]Romany. Really enjoyed reading your reports, very well written, down to earth & honest reporting on the ground.

This is the Real Kiev to Mongers of a certain age, who want to have a good time in Kiev on a short trip. .

Wish you a Safe Journey & a Happy Landing.

BTW, I liked the part about the Pouilly Montrachett, which shows a lot of class attached to your mongering. How much did you pay for it.

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1259566]You could glean this from reports in the thread, but here are some pointers in case you make a return visit when you are not tired and are thinking you want to try a take out. The girls are not permitted to approach you. They can only entice you with smiles, eye contact and their dance. You're right. It's very opposite the kind of thing that exists in many strip clubs or brothels all over the world where the moment you enter, girls are throwing themselves at you and trying to latch on to you. I guess it's this strip club's idea of class. There are not usually table dances on the floor, so to speak, also for the same reason, and private dances are in a private room. (although I have seen a girl sitting on a guy's lap facing him at one of the tables and essentially dancing on him as would be possible in a strip club in the US, so I guess it's just not the norm at Rio). Your fears of being clipped were in your head. There aren't any reports I am aware of on this forum of the kind of things that go on in moscow clubs where they rip off customers with phony bills and bouncers enforce the rip off. So your fears were misplaced. Your fear of the managers was also misplaced. The managers at Rio are there to service your needs, especially with regard to girl interaction. They were trying to do their jobs to help you. You just didn't let them because of stuff you had going on in your head causing you to be overly suspicious. However, on the other hand, you did the right thing in asking to be moved to a different bar when you didn't see what you liked in the upstairs bar, so you could see a different one of the three line ups. There was also the VIP room in addition to the downstairs room. It's unfortunate that your red flags got in your way and prevented you from having a nice time. Perhaps had you read more of the available descriptions of what goes on at the club on this thread you would have known better what to expect and would not have been distracted by red flags.[/QUOTE]Well thank you LJ for the supportive response. I am now as sharp as a razor and will be back to Rio in a few days for myself and the team.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1259581]Well thank you LJ for the supportive response. I am now as sharp as a razor and will be back to Rio in a few days for myself and the team.[/QUOTE]Please do ASAP & take one 4 the team.

My experiences at Rio when I visited, differs from yours.

I had 2 call the manager & more than once to get me the girl of my choice 4 a private dance.

BTW I had to pay the entrance fee at the door, before I went upstairs& as soon as I walked in.

But times could be changing?

I have been chatting with an*Ukrainian*girl for some time. Not super pretty but good looking and smart. She is studying psychology. Her yearly*tuition*fee is*6000 Ukrainian grivnas, so about 750 USD. Her yearly rent for her dorm room is 2000 grivnas so 250 USD. This is less than what many of my girlfriends in the Philippines pay for their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] smelling shoe boxes. Seems Acolonizer was right all the time. People are overpaying enormously.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1259340]Been there a few times myself. Maxim?

The strip club is one of the Rhino clubs.[/QUOTE]That sounds familiar. Thank you. No idea about what Rhino clubs are though. Is it worth a repeat visit in your opinion?

[QUOTE=Drgn; 1259502]Hey, Pro.

It keeps being discussed because some guys, based on their posts, prefer the "certainty" of a known venue.[/QUOTE]Even though I can not pronounce your name I salute your wisdom and experience. A refreshing and initiated post among all the repetitive turf pissing. Keep posting. You have at least one reader.

Cheers / Barba

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1259412]For the benefit of the ongoing thing about the Looks of the girls & the scale in relation to price.

I have copied& pasted parts of LJ's first post here. OF relevance here are the looks of the Polish Girls in London that he posted on.

Amelia& Gloria.

US$300 gets you one hour with them according to the Agency's site, compared to say something similar in Kiev for 3 hours.

Using Amelia&Gloria as the benchmark or if you like yard stick for comarison purposes with Rio girls, can anyone here point out the Rio Girls who are on the same scale as Amelia& Gloria in LONDON.

Then, we are talking about a Known quality.[/QUOTE]Amelia&Gloria is a good-looking girl with a hot body, but there's no need to spend $300 an hour with a girl like Amelia&Gloria.

I did a girl last autumn, Paulina, whose face and body looked in real person so much like Amelia&Gloria in the photos. Even their eye colors are the same.

She offered unlimited number of cums, deep throat BBBJ, CIM with swallow and long time DFK, etc except anal for miserly $70 an hour.

She has one of the two pairs of perfect breasts I've ever seen.

She's always busy.

I wasn't surprised because at this price with that kind of beauty and GFE quality, lots of guys'd be waiting.

She's great GFE, but I also turned her into hard-core, doing hard-core fuck and face-fuck.

[QUOTE=Drgn; 1259502]It keeps being discussed because some guys, based on their posts, prefer the "certainty" of a known venue. There is a lot of energy put into "quantifying" the experience in terms of cost per hour, cost per orgasm, cost per unit of beauty, etc. Which is a bit excessive. And at some point, a decision was made (and then repeatedly rationalized) that Rio represented the lowest risk, highest value option for a newbie. Exploring other alternatives would involve a different set of skills, attitudes, and beliefs.

As it relates to non-pros (and that's my PRIMARY focus since it represents the largest pool of available women in ANY city) , many on this board believe that wining and dining a woman for several dates or offering her money are required for her to have sex with you. You and I both know that's simply untrue. Completely, absolutely untrue, provided a guy knows what he's doing. We both know it's possible to walk into a bar or night club, chat up some women, and leave with companionship for the evening (or meetings scheduled later) no money required. Now, when you START with that understanding, there is an entire city at your disposal. Humans are creatures of habit and the same women tend to go to the same places on a regular basis. By constantly exploring new venues you gain access to a fresh crop because each bar / night club / restaurant is a new pool of applicants.[/QUOTE]Right. Some of LJ's posts do fit with your well-said description, quote: 'There is a lot of energy put into "quantifying" the experience in terms of cost per hour, cost per orgasm, cost per unit of beauty, etc. Which is a bit excessive. And at some point, a decision was made (and then repeatedly rationalized) that Rio represented the lowest risk, highest value option for a newbie. '

Perhaps LJ is not interested in going after older chicks or MILFs; it seems he's going after the hot 18 to 22 year old group. With limited time but wanting a sure thing from hot chicks much younger than himself, LJ has found his place.

Unless a man is or looks under 40, it'the be quite a feat to chat up a hot 18 to 22 year old young girl and to frequently have his wicked ways with her for 'free'.

How often is it really free when a man 35 to over 40 is dating a 18 to 20 year old hot chick?

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1259384]The only difference between RIO and the clubs you describe above including great ones in London as well, is that in RIO there are girls you can take out for US$300 for 3 hours.

This is a fact, not some kind of Fantasy in Candy Land, where its 4 your eyes only.

What is disputed by some members here, are the looks of the girls, and the Scale used in tthe evalution of such looks.

US$300 over 3 hours, is US$100 per hour, and if you can pop more than 3 times during this time, then it can work out at less than US$70 per pop.

Unfortunately for me, even with Levitra, I wouldn't be able to manage that, being in the wrong half of my 40s.

This thread is becoming addictive.[/QUOTE]Eye candy is not real fun.

I want to play.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1258691]I avoid Buddha Bar like the plague.

The bar and the girls (even the freebies (?) are waaaaaay too pretentious for my tastes. The decor is somewhat amusing (in that trying too hard way but not quite getting it) and I find the food average and very overpriced. I find it amusing that girls and some guys view this as some kind of ultra swanky place. It's just a flash place for people who think they have something to flash.

OK Bar is where the local juice used to like to go, haven't been there is a year so I don't know if it's still trendy.

Anyone been to Beef? Or is it called Meat? That place across from Decedance? It looks interesting but I don't know if it's all flash.[/QUOTE]The most sensible post I've seen in a long time.

Horrible place, way overpriced, and way past-it old pros. Never heard anyone I trust say they got a good service even for the minimum $200 I know some old-timers managed to get (3 hours).

Agree with every word about the clientele and decor C. D.

And there are 8 pages of reports to wade through!

Arrived back in Kyiv yesterday evening. For those interested and asking about what the weather will be like when I visit etc. It's impossible to tell, check the 3-day forecast, anything more than 3 days is usually wrong and drastically revised during your stay! Just remember I was here last month and subject to. 28c. Yesterday and today were +20c. Tomorrow will be around +10c. In April could be anywhere between +3c and +27c, most likely about +17 I guess.

Mainly meeting friends this trip, cultivating potential freebies. Did have a free evening tonight though and instead of visiting a club, went on the websites and invited two girls over from Mamba, one masseur at $50 for 90 minutes. Sex would cost $100. She was 18yo but not too hot (maybe a 6) but she gave very firm professional massage and I couldn't resist fucking her. The landing strip on the pussy just drew me in (nice to see not everyone is totally shaven).

Then just made myself a coffee having shoved the 18yo out the door when I got a ping from Mamba, and this time struck lucky with a great GFE, studentka, occasional pro.

Very girl next door, cute, fit body.

Tomorrow likely I'll be out of action. Damn annoyed I missed the Fashion party. Reminds me of the old days of Moda Bar and other great pre-Eurovision times.

Once again agree with Cruiser D and another of the veterans I respected from day I found this board: Uke Boy, while Dr Skank is a great loss.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1258696]It is kind of funny reading about RIO and GIA. It's like reading a review of the McD on Khreshatic. Rio was awesome before 2006, it's way overplayed now. GIA was over in what. 2002?[/QUOTE]I do remember thinking how much I missed on first trips to Kyiv, trying to discover everything on my own. Mind you even Kyiv Post had $50 girls advertising to help newbies, and with vintage R. P. (and Mandarin, Moda. 112) it was hard to go wrong!

However I've always been partial to strip joints, as an hors the'ouerves before the main event, although I usually try to pull the strippers too (having a business card is too hard for girls to hide. I write my number on a few small pieces of paper, then fold them up, before I head out. Much easier to push one of those into girls' palm even with the omnipresent cameras.

And it does annoy the hell out of me how poor the Rio stage shows are now compared to when I first visited (pre-fire, with casino upstairs). In those days though it was so expensive to take a girl out she had to be a 9 or above to even contemplate, but the atmosphere was good.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1259140]This is a fairly new hotel that opened last week in Kiev.

[url]http://www.fairmont.com/kyiv/?cmpid=.OVKEY=fairmont[/url]

Has anyone managed to stay here for mongering purposes?

I know it's expensive, just wanted to have a change from the usual apartment experience[/QUOTE]Hey Immy. It would have been very handy for R. P. Bit far out for me.

I imagine there's a fair chance security will sense a chance to line their pockets.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1259141].

Its back 2 the times, when it was HunterDave V UB& Bez Bezarra, remember.

It might not find you girls, but makes you read between the lines, some of it makes you really wonder?

In fact, I can see here both sides of the Input, Rant, whatever.

I said I usually go to Rio every night when in town&enjoy the dances, atmosphere, but I never took out any girl from there, not at US$300, when I only go for short sessions anyway.

And paying US$3oo in one go, defeats the whole object of me going to Kiev (Mongering) in the first place.

Off topic here, Hydro park in the Summer is a great place, if you have a Russian speaking wingman, or better still go with a nice looking BI girl & let her do the hunting 4 both of you.[/QUOTE]Getting the Bi-girl in the first place is not easy though! I just ended with a bi GF. Maybe I'll regret in a few months!

Idropark is a good place to go look / mingle. Lots of great, scantily clad bodies in various states of inebriation as the day turns into evening!

And with its own metro stop. Even newbies can't get lost.

[QUOTE=Muddy7; 1259181]Has anyone been to Paradise club on Schevchenko lately?

Can you still take dancers home?[/QUOTE]Still? Considering they were trying to charge about 3 times what a very good RP girl would go for, and not until you'd bought extortionate champagne, and had the attitude of a Militsiya General who just found out you made his hitherto virgin 17yo daughter pregnant. I decided to steer clear for many, many years. Oh, actually I did accompany someone who was insistent on going once. He was convinced the stage show would be quality. He soon bowed to my knowledge and pledged never to doubt me again!

YMMV

Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

I know plenty of guys who love Rio and plenty who don't.

What is important is LJ posts the truth AS HE SEES IT, including his own ratings.

I've met Joey, he's a straight up guy and I'd stake a lot on him never having so much as a free cup of chai in Rio.

I go to Rio when I need to, or sometimes just to meet other mongers.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work. All I can say is I would be surprised if any club had more good-looking girls working. ADmittedly some won't sleep with you "dancers only", but LJ makes some valid points (albeit in a verbose way!) and tips such as simply asking Pasha or Dima if either X or Y leaves the club. Or sometime I have just said "Pasha" you know I want to take home a very slim, blonde, under 22, with decent attitude. And he will send someone over! We talk without onbligation, and if I like her I buy a drink and negotiate time / services.

I also used to go to R. P. Quite a bit, again because of convenience. You knew you could go there and pick up a girl of reasonable quality.

In those days there were many "old timers" as I used to think of them then, who used to flame guys for just going to RP and missing out on so much.

It's undoubtedly true the best sex is very very seldom with girls in the club. Rio overworks its girls and their service has gone down.

If you are fortunate enough to be able to hook a date and get her into bed you'll be very happy. But it's much the same as anywhere in the world. If you can't score at home you may struggle in Kyiv. Confidence is a massive factor, and age is only a minor handicap. So if you're around 50 and confident (ask Hunter Dave) you'll be fine. If you're 42 and lacking in confidence and "gift of the gab" you will struggle. Language problems are a bigger handicap than age.

I'm sure you could work out a mathematical formula, but maybe knock 10 years off your age and think the kind of success and types of girls you pulled back home then. That's what you should get in Kyiv now.

Right I risk being panned for boring the shit out of everyone. Enough said. LJ speaks sense and truth, though not to everyone's taste. Wise old hands Uke Boy, C. D. Et al know the whole scene from experience.

Must go sleep, got another Mamba girl due in 3. 5 hours, let's see if she wakes me up with her call!

Thanks to all here. I'd call my Kiev trip an overall success. Damns the luck being here while the college girls are all busy cramming. Being sleep deprived from the ten time zone trip probably hasn't helped a bunch either. Wish I'd had the originally planned ten days instead of trying to power through my priorities in five.

Before I get on the plane I want to suggest that this board needs a FAQ in the worst way. There are some great examples around on ISG, and some pretty articulate writers here. Be awesome if those currently posting made a cooperative effort to generate and maintain a single document where us first timers could go. You would be doing a great service to Jackson's poor server full of repeated entreaties from the board to newbies to read through many pages of what can often be useless. Not saying there isn't a ton of good info here, but getting past the style and personality clashes is a time wasting chore.

Not sure if anyone is interested, but the map I prepared for my trip has over 300 hits from distinct IP's. Someone out there is wading back to the links and following them. Since I doubt I'll be back I won't be putting any more work into it, but am willing to help pass it off to anyone interested in maintaining it. If not I'll leave it up as long as I see it is getting used. A link in a FAQ document would sure make it easier for those that need it to find it too.

I'll bring it to the top one last time:

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=202083364326811814553.0004b69c9d40f14d29d51[/url]

[QUOTE=TheKnight; 1259647]Still? Considering they were trying to charge about 3 times what a very good RP girl would go for, and not until you'd bought extortionate champagne, and had the attitude of a Militsiya General who just found out you made his hitherto virgin 17yo daughter pregnant. I decided to steer clear for many, many years. Oh, actually I did accompany someone who was insistent on going once. He was convinced the stage show would be quality. He soon bowed to my knowledge and pledged never to doubt me again!

YMMV[/QUOTE]Thanks thats all I needed to know.

I thought I read its a sister club of Rio and thought its all the same