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Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera; 1259891][url]http://escort-models.com/en/models/sort:price:asc/[/url]

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave[/QUOTE]Full of fakes.

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera; 1259891][url]http://escort-models.com/en/models/sort:price:asc/[/url]

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave[/QUOTE]Hi Dave,

I recall our PM correspondence where you were seeking advice regarding having a batchelor party in Kiev, and I reference my post on this thread of February 23, 2012, concerning my ideas for your batchelor party, see: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1251303&viewfull=1#post1251303[/url]

So, how have your plans progressed for the batchelor party?

I have reported previously on the website you asked about [url]www.escort-models.com[/url]. I have also seen reports by other members about this agency.

Unfortunately, Goobye Lenin is correct. The photos look and are too good to be true. So don't rely on the photos of this agency to order girls to staff your batchelor party.

However, this does not mean you can't get good looking girls from this agency. It merely means the pictures are fake, and you will have to do some work to reveal what this agency is capable of delivering. I reported my own experience with such websites, where a really extremely skinny spindley blond girl with an ok face showed up in response to my invitation to send one of the website hotties, and I complained to the girl who came and told her that I wanted a girl like the one on the website that I showed her on my laptop. She said she will arrange things with her agency and a pretty girl will come. I did wait a longer time than they said, and the agency was not that reassuring on the phone when I called, so instead I made other arrangements and a girl I had been with before was soon on her way. But then lo and behold a very pretty girl did show up from the agency. So I got it cleared with both girls and had an impromptu 3some. What it means is that you must do the investigative work I wrote to you about and go throught the websites and make dates and send away the girls who don't make the cut, and try out the girls who look good and come up with some girls who make the grade to be invited to the batchelor party, so it will be a good one.

At the time Gentleman Travel wrote some good advice which I will cite to you again.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel;1251426]I would just like to add that you don't necessarily have to find dozens of quality girls for your bachelor party. First you have to find 2 or 3 really good girls (in terms of price and quality) whether they be pros or semi-pros. Then they can find other girls for you. Like any business, referrals are invaluable. All girls are plugged into vast networks of friends and colleagues, and if you find one that suits your needs then chances are she has friends who will meet your friends' needs. A hot 8. 0 blonde who is doing everything you want for $300 is not going to set you up with frigid faker who wants $500. So work the dyev network to expand your network.[/QUOTE]This is the way to get enough good looking girls for your batchelor party at a reasonably low cost.

I wrote to you about the higher cost option at the strip club which would not involve a lot of preliminary investigative work to find good looking girls, since it reliably has a lot of good looking girls present at the club on any given night, but there the risk is in performance of the girls once you get them home, and therefore even at the strip club it would be best to try out a few of the girls in advance, until you know you have winners to invite to the batchelors party.

Lastly, I wrote to you that an FKK trip would be a blast for a batchelor's party, especially if you haven't been to FKK's before. It will literally knock your socks off, and you may become addicted, as so many on this forum have.

I will be hitting the FKK's later in April. I will be in Berlin's Artemis on the night of April 19, and I will be in Frankfurt for weekend of April 20 to 22 and plan to hit FKK Oase and FKK Palace, two of the best FKK's. If you want to do a preliminary expedition then, I would be glad to show you the ropes.

So where are you along the process of planning your party? Never heard back from you.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1259816]And when you met Liljoey at Rio club, you showed him the Translation Application on Your I Phone, Remember.

How do I know that, when I haven; t met either one of you.

Now I am waiting for someone to say, that I had a look on the CCTV for that night, because I am member of the Male Non Dancing Non Stripping staff of Rio Club.[/QUOTE]Before you freak out TheKnight with your last one, Jojosun, I should remind that I believe I posted this information somewhere previously and told about the application TheKnight showed me, in trying to explain to mongers that not speaking Russian doesn't mean they have to entirely give up on getting girls who don't speak English. I have been using Google Translate on my laptop, and on my Blackberry to do enough translation so that I can get by enough to get into the pussy in question. And a touch and talk application like the one TheKnight showed me would work even better.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo; 1259807]

[QUOTE=TheKnight; 1259654]Guys should get flamed for posting BS and lies.

The problem with the line-up at the moment is probably "cramming". Students are having to fit in their year's work into a month shorter in 2012 because of Euro, so they don't want to commit to the 5 days a week minimum they want you to work.[/QUOTE]Theknight, do you meen that this is the reason why there are not a lo of good looking girls there now? The egzams untill the end of may? You think the quality will improve during and after euro or stay the same?[/QUOTE]Ronaldinjo, don't get into a tizzy over this. When is your trip to Kiev? I was just in Kiev for weekend of February 17 to 19 and everything at Rio was as usual, plenty of pretty girls. I will be in Kiev for March 30 to April 4 again, and will likely go to Rio during that period, although this time I have a number of evenings set up with dates with girls I met on prior trips. I will definitely report if I see anything remarkable amiss at the club in terms of line up. There was a bit of a wane in the line up at the end of last summer in August / September 2011, for whatever reason. So it sometimes happens. But generally speaking the line up has a fair number of hotties.

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1259928]Hi Dave,

I recall our PM correspondence where you were seeking advice regarding having a batchelor party in Kiev, and I reference my post on this thread of February 23, 2012, concerning my ideas for your batchelor party, see:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1251303&viewfull=1#post1251303[/url]

So, how have your plans progressed for the batchelor party?

I have reported previously on the website you asked about.

[url]www.escort-models.com[/url]

I have also seen reports by other members about this agency.

Unfortunately, Goobye Lenin is correct. The photos look and are too good to be true. So don't rely on the photos of this agency to order girls to staff your batchelor party.

However, this does not mean you can't get good looking girls from this agency. It merely means the pictures are fake, and you will have to do some work to reveal what this agency is capable of delivering. I reported my own experience with such websites, where a really extremely skinny spindley blond girl with an ok face showed up in response to my invitation to send one of the website hotties, and I complained to the girl who came and told her that I wanted a girl like the one on the website that I showed her on my laptop. She said she will arrange things with her agency and a pretty girl will come. I did wait a longer time than they said, and the agency was not that reassuring on the phone when I called, so instead I made other arrangements and a girl I had been with before was soon on her way. But then lo and behold a very pretty girl did show up from the agency. So I got it cleared with both girls and had an impromptu 3some. What it means is that you must do the investigative work I wrote to you about and go throught the websites and make dates and send away the girls who don't make the cut, and try out the girls who look good and come up with some girls who make the grade to be invited to the batchelor party, so it will be a good one.

At the time Gentleman Travel wrote some good advice which I will cite to you again.

This is the way to get enough good looking girls for your batchelor party at a reasonably low cost.

I wrote to you about the higher cost option at the strip club which would not involve a lot of preliminary investigative work to find good looking girls, since it reliably has a lot of good looking girls present at the club on any given night, but there the risk is in performance of the girls once you get them home, and therefore even at the strip club it would be best to try out a few of the girls in advance, until you know you have winners to invite to the batchelors party.

Lastly, I wrote to you that an FKK trip would be a blast for a batchelor's party, especially if you haven't been to FKK's before. It will literally knock your socks off, and you may become addicted, as so many on this forum have.

I will be hitting the FKK's later in April. I will be in Berlin's Artemis on the night of April 19, and I will be in Frankfurt for weekend of April 20 to 22 and plan to hit FKK Oase and FKK Palace, two of the best FKK's. If you want to do a preliminary expedition then, I would be glad to show you the ropes.

So where are you along the process of planning your party? Never heard back from you.

Before you freak out TheKnight with your last one, Jojosun, I should remind that I believe I posted this information somewhere previously and told about the application TheKnight showed me, in trying to explain to mongers that not speaking Russian doesn't mean they have to entirely give up on getting girls who don't speak English. I have been using Google Translate on my laptop, and on my Blackberry to do enough translation so that I can get by enough to get into the pussy in question. And a touch and talk application like the one TheKnight showed me would work even better.

Ronaldinjo, don't get into a tizzy over this. When is your trip to Kiev? I was just in Kiev for weekend of February 17 to 19 and everything at Rio was as usual, plenty of pretty girls. I will be in Kiev for March 30 to April 4 again, and will likely go to Rio during that period, although this time I have a number of evenings set up with dates with girls I met on prior trips. I will definitely report if I see anything remarkable amiss at the club in terms of line up. There was a bit of a wane in the line up at the end of last summer in August / September 2011, for whatever reason. So it sometimes happens. But generally speaking the line up has a fair number of hotties.[/QUOTE]Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?

Good discussion here during the last 20 pages or so and contributions from many good members. Much welcome and it benefits us all. There is a huge need for a reality check regarding Kiev. Much needed IMHO.

What do you get compared to what you can get for that hard earned dough in other places? I feel some people just think that lets go to Kiev because it seems like a hot place for girls. Is it? For the first timer without experience I would say no way! Better chose another destination, like Germanys FKK, which pays of better for what you get. Nice to have some of the old guard posting here, and I think they contribute a lot, though I feel some are off as well. We all like to live in what it used to be like. However for the insider it might still be heaven, but that does not reflect the general situation now IMHO. Anyway, I go to other places than Kiev and thats for a reason. Easily!

I want to comment about Bez as well. IMHO he was a strange guy and a huge pain in the ass to many members including myself. In the end we got along better, but still I feel it is not fair to give him divine status just because he posted some pics and posted amusing replies. He even gave me a PM in the end but that does not excuse his ways. He herassed my arse in the early years, and many others, without a reason at all. All I tried to do here is to post what I like to think as usefull information and contribute and pay back as I have learned a lot here. I think I do so, at least I hope so in general, though Kiev is not my place in this particular reply, but I wish to start a reality check and a wake up for some members. If you think my posts are bad I challence you, to come up with any bad posts or faulty information posts I have made and compare with Bez replies. Please do it. Bez totally lacked social skills and a way to behave in a decent way. No loss for his leaving of this forum as I did not think he contributed in a good general way and he liked to pick on certain members. Thats not the way to do it on our forum and I understand if he was kicked. I have not actually read any good informative posts by him. I have only been a member here for 7 to 8 years, but please forgive me if my memory serves me wrong, but yet again no real value information by him in the open forum. With that said he also often posted quite nice pics I have o say, Kudos to him, but I wish he could have bought a better camara and been more socially skilled. The drop of Bez is good to this forum IMHO. I do not give a rats arse if other respected old guard members feel differently. Feel free to do so, and please correct me if my posts are bad. I welcome that, but please put Bez comments to mine in to the context. I will be glad to reply to that. Please be ready with good arguments.

Dr Skank is another matter and he was a huge asset to the forum. He was also a humble man with a lot of experience and a super hunter. I do miss him as well. I heard he has got tired of posting here as few qualified posts were given back. I do undertand him. Dr Skank, all the best wishes to you!)

Well, well. I have not seen a single photo of a girl posted in this Ukraine thread that was close to rival a girl I shagged in Frankfurts FKK Palace around 5 years ago. (As a side note that goes for some other girls I have shagged as well) Not even close, and I regard this girl named Danielle from Romania as a pure 9. When she entered the FKK club it was just perfect and what I needed as I had already done 3 nice girls. However I got her attention instantly as she entered and told her to go to a room. It was dinner time at 18. 00 and most were headed to the buffe that was served. It has been reported that she was snobbish and gave poor service to some guys but good service to others (her service including real tongue kissing and BBBJ as standard) and to me it was a real strike, to use bowling terms. No wonder why she was a bit snobbish, as she was aware of her market value. A bit of a shark but as I know a bit of Romanian I think I charmed her, or at least I like to think so, at least I made personal contact. My burst of semen hit her in her face and eyes and she became upset, but I calmed her with a few words in Romanian and excuses and sweet talking that I could not help it because she was so beautiful. I could be wrong, or just plain lucky, but I know what I got. However I can compare with other services I have gotten with P4P and she was great, very good. And a top beauty. I have never been with a true 10 as a side note. In my meter personality and performance weighs in as well. Age does not matter but rather beauty and performance matters even if she is that hot 18 or that hot 30. Beauty and performance counts. On my meter a rather popular porn actress should be a good comparison, not that it means I do worship her, or all men, but as a general standard meter. Those managing the porn industry knows which girls are hot because they are into it in a professional way. Thats why they use "male worship icons". Some of these girls you can get at $ 600, or above but be selective and smart, for 3 hours compared to a no name "no recognised beauty, or a no beauty" in a Kiev strip club at $ 300 for 3 hours. Lets compare. Does it make sense? Not to me. It really should be cheaper in in Kiev unless desperate rich guys plays it, loss or no loss, or really does not care. Instant gratification to feel like a real man is far more important to most. Would you buy a bottle of Veuve Clicquot for E 35 or a E 100? Your choice and your call, but be prepared to be named as crazy.

Prices are climbing and for those who try to manage their economy, and with a brain, for hunting good quality it is all changing. On todays market it is different. The sucker takes the bait, and the smart fish will get the good deal. It becomes more and more important to be smart and selective.

I post a photo of a girl that I consider to be a 9, not as sharp as Danielle girl in FKK palace, or other top girls IMHO that I have shagged, but on the other hand this girl in the photos did not cost me anything money wise. Ok, I did buy her roses and fancy lingerie and cooked her nice tasty food, but that does not count IMHO. I rate her as close to a model body and a nice model face. A real 9, but small tits though, but thats what you usually get with a really slim girl.

Cheers and happy hunting.

Felix

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera; 1259891][url]http://escort-models.com/en/models/sort:price:asc/[/url]

Seems too good to be. Anybody ever use this?

Dave[/QUOTE]Photos are usually fake, however sometime you may get a good deal. Remeber, for foreigners, this is one of the cheapest option. Please note if you send the girl back with just the taxi fare, they would not serve you again even though it is their fault to post a fake photo in the first place.

Personally I would prefer Mamba. Most photos even on mamba are fake or heavily photoshopped and it does require hard work but worth a try.

I generally prefer to meet them in afternoon. If all goes well then enjoy your evenning otherwise switch to Plan B I. E. Bars.

I think there is very interesting debate going on in favour of and against Rio and Budha bar and etc.

I have used these places and no doubt you can get quality but the point is if you add up all the cost of travel and hotel and the girl, probably west is much cheaper than that

Thank you RomanyStar. Always good to hear about the negatives as well as the positives. I always thought Top Modals looked a bit too good to be true.

[QUOTE=RomanyStar; 1259298]We interrupt this cat fight for a post on the mongering situation in Kiev.

Going back to all my website research, I had a number of sites where TinEye had not detected stolen images. Called one, made it clear I would only be satisfied with the girl in the picture, they must have realized that I wasn't a good scam candidate and honestly said that girl was not available. Got that same crappy pimp line through a handful of calls. Finally one was up front honest, and said they would send out four girls to choose from. With that kind of offer at $700Gr for regular girls, or $900Gr for model level: I had to give it a try, asked for model level. Forty fucking five minutes later, the three candidates arrived. Must have lost one of the herd along the way, because if any of these girls were modeling it was for bovine quarterly. By the way these heffers came from Top Modals. Some of the other sites I tried and was absolutely sure I was dealing with slime balls included Minuet, Intimgirls and VipEscort. I put those on the avoid list. Many times there are great disappointments chasing that perfect instant of pleasure, this was one of them. Decided to have a glass of wine and get some sleep.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1259782]Yes, unless the girl is a Pro, it would be difficult 4 a civvy girl to out herself to you that she is Bi.

In Kiev, I don't know if its a culture or languages issues, but I found it difficult to get a non pro girl to admit that she is BI.[/QUOTE]Well my now ex-GF just volunteered the information herself about her bi-sexual fantasies. I did not suspect at all until we talked about fantasies. She knew I wanted 3-some, and explained she'd be more than willing as she was what we'd describe as "bi-curious", but not prepared to do anything on her own. Bingo! And without trying!

Oh, and I met Hunter Dave a couple of times too. Come to think of it HD met that ex too!

Maybe everyone I meet from this board is in line to be flamed!. IMMY007 watch out!

I can offer very little new information from this trip I am afraid. Reasons to follow.

But one nugget for you. A branch of "Dolls" is opening to increase nightclub competition.

I saw a banner across a street near where I was walking with GF#2, I caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye, verified it was Dolls nightclub, and I think opening day was last night or night before. When free of female company I retraced my steps trying to confirm what I saw, but it's now been removed.

I have found out online that the club is based somewhere near the new stadium, according to some online adverts for "hostess" paying 3500UAH a month incidentally (I did not apply!)

But the club itself has no online presence yet, which is strange.

I imagine management were desperate to get open and have a presence before Euro2012, get more dancers in, get rid of the poor ones so by 1st June they have a decent line-up. The club is billed as striptease, but from other Dolls around the world I imagine it's identical to Rio & Solid Gold, with Takeout available.

The bad news though is they may have a prime spot ahead of Euro, and therefore prices are likely to be very high. Ridiculously, competition may increase prices in this crazy country.

So, apologies for not being able to check it out, but I will try to firm up location tomorrow when I have a wander. Hope some other guys on the ground here will make the inaugural ISG visit and report back. Really a club like Dolls should invite us senior guys along for a free evening in the name of marketing, don't you think?

Personally I have no chance of a visit to the club this visit unless I get blown out by the girl I'm meeting from her work. This evening was spent with the mamba girl from last night, who's swiftly turned into a freebie, with a lot of work and convincing.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1260024]Photos are usually fake, however sometime you may get a good deal. Remeber, for foreigners, this is one of the cheapest option. Please note if you send the girl back with just the taxi fare, they would not serve you again even though it is their fault to post a fake photo in the first place.

Personally I would prefer Mamba. Most photos even on mamba are fake or heavily photoshopped and it does require hard work but worth a try.

I generally prefer to meet them in afternoon. If all goes well then enjoy your evenning otherwise switch to Plan B I. E. Bars.

Thecost of travel and hotel and the girl, probably west is much cheaper than that[/QUOTE].

I used escorts-models& top modals, and I agree a lot of the photos are fakes, but I met quite few gems as well.

Yes, best time is to meet them in the afternoon or early evening. The ones that I didn't like, I sent them back with only 50UAH Taxi Fare. Phoned the agency or their minder, or whoever on the phone, and told them that I am staying in Kiev for a while, and if they wanted my continous custom / they bettter send me good looking girls, or girls close in looks to photos posted on their site.

Their subsequent supply improved a lot in the looks& service dept of the girls.

But to send them back with more than 50UAH taxi fare, is only a reward for their fake photos.

Bamba is more reliable & a lot of semi pros as well, as financially Embarrassed Students.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1260024]Photos are usually fake, however sometime you may get a good deal. Remeber, for foreigners, this is one of the cheapest option. Please note if you send the girl back with just the taxi fare, they would not serve you again even though it is their fault to post a fake photo in the first place.

Personally I would prefer Mamba. Most photos even on mamba are fake or heavily photoshopped and it does require hard work but worth a try.

I generally prefer to meet them in afternoon. If all goes well then enjoy your evenning otherwise switch to Plan B I. E. Bars.

Thecost of travel and hotel and the girl, probably west is much cheaper than that[/QUOTE].

I used escorts-models& top modals, and I agree a lot of the photos are fakes, but I met quite few gems as well.

Yes, best time is to meet them in the afternoon or early evening. The ones that I didn't like, I sent them back with only 50UAH Taxi Fare. Phoned the agency or their minder, or whoever on the phone, and told them that I am staying in Kiev for a while, and if they wanted my continous custom / they bettter send me good looking girls, or girls close in looks to photos posted on their site.

Their subsequent supply improved a lot in the looks& service dept of the girls.

But to send them back with more than 50UAH taxi fare, is only a reward for their fake photos.

Bamba is more reliable & a lot of semi pros as well, as financially Embarrassed Students.

And if you compare prices with what's on offfer say in London on [url]www.adultwork.com[/url], you will find that even in London you can find a lot of gems at prices comparable to the above. In Kiev.

I don't know who posted this. The quoting is a little messed up.

Girls like that are a dime a dozen in most major cities. You guys need to get out more.

If you are paying more than $300 for a girl like that in NYC you are either too lazy to look or there are other issues. Which of course explains the Rio-GIA-Buddha Bar triangle.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1259457]QUOTE (Although the rates of these two girls in London approximate the base rate for a hot girl in New York, it is not similar. Because these two girls, Amelia or Gloria, are truly exceptional. They are, in my opinion, clearly 10's, and so beautiful in terms of their facial appearance, the perfect shape and tone of their bodies, that girls such as these 'supermodels' would command a far higher rate in New York than the basic $400 / hr rate)[/QUOTE]Now we are not talking Pies in the Sky or a Mermaid called Wanda, but the above girls looks in LJ's first post.[/QUOTE]

Pro, just because there are more fat chicks in the US and Western Europe doesn't change the scale. .

[QUOTE=Prosal;1259575]Her face is typically Slavic, with eyes to get lost in. Anyway I'd rate her 7. 5. I guess she'd be a solid 9 for most of the guys in Western Europe or in the US, but by FSU standarts she his IMO just "not that skanky".[/QUOTE]

The strip club? No? The rest of the complex, yes. It's a good place to meet unspoiled Ukrainian girls.

[QUOTE=Barba; 1259600]That sounds familiar. Thank you. No idea about what Rhino clubs are though. Is it worth a repeat visit in your opinion?

Cheers / Barba[/QUOTE]

Actually 21-25 is the worst age. The girls have just enough experience and vain enough to be extremely annoying.

[QUOTE=Horny Monger; 1259609]Unless a man is or looks under 40, it'the be quite a feat to chat up a hot 18 to 22 year old young girl and to frequently have his wicked ways with her for 'free'.

How often is it really free when a man 35 to over 40 is dating a 18 to 20 year old hot chick?[/QUOTE]