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[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1215728]Reading through the recent reports, I see FurryFriend referring to the Koreans a lot. And, to answer his earlier question "Do you think Korean guys are in Angeles City to pinch pennies?" YES. The fact is that even though they spend large amounts of money in Philippines, it is much cheaper than the amounts they would spend in their home country for the same type of service. The Koreans are going to the Philippines for the same reason most of the rest of us are. It's much cheaper there![/QUOTE]Agreed. The Koreans that to go to the PI are the cheap Koreans. Witness cheap hotels like tiger. 950 condotel, natalia. When I stayed there, I noticed lots of koreans. But they still spend more on Girls than your average expat. For the simple reason that a cheap (but usually employed) Korean still has more spending power than an expat on a pension and OAS. And yes, I have seen my Korean-American buddies spend money like its going out of style in ktvs in China.

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1215728]Enjoy the good, cheap pussy in the Philippines while you can. I predict that it will turn out much like Korea in the future. But there are plenty of other 3rd world nations around the world. 10 to 20 years from now, those of us that can still get it up might be having this discussion about the next great sex destination. The P4P scene will not completely disappear from Philippines. But it may well get to be way too expensive to be worth traveling around the world for.[/QUOTE]Here is where I must disagree. As you mentioned p4p prices have skyrocketed in Korea since 1987. The underlying reason for this is the Korean economy, it took off like a rocket too. I don't see the Philippine economy going anywhere, so the cheap pussy will remain.

AC is a different case since there are more newbie tourists coming in every year. A lot of them are big spenders and think everything in ac is dirt cheap (compared to back home). It's a case of the bars charging what the market will bear.

It is the same scenario playing out in China. 7 years ago, say, China was not nearly as rich as it is right now. The first tier cities (shanghai and Shenzhen in particular) were on their way to a boom but not as developed as right now. P4p was cheap and everywhere. Once these cities grew rich the government really clamped down on the p4p. By now, it's not much fun to monger in these cities anymore. P4p still exists, but most of it is the high end stuff. The cheap stuff is quite well-hidden, the newbie monger is unlikely to find these spots.

There is still lots of p4p in China, in the smaller cities. Still relatively affordable as of now. Although prices are rising in line with general wage increases and inflation in China.

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1215728]I predict that it will turn out much like Korea in the future.[/QUOTE]Yeah. 150 years from now.

GDP per capita (2010)

Philippines $2, 200.

South Korea $21, 000.

It'd be a miracle if the Philippines reaches Thailand's standard of living in our lifetime. There is actually more poverty in the Philippines today than there was 20 years ago. The country's economy is actually regressing.

I agree. If you look.

At the Philippines GDP per capita 10 years ago, I would bet that it wasn't much lower than it is now.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1215768]Yeah. 150 years from now.

GDP per capita (2010)

Philippines $2, 200.

South Korea $21, 000.

It'd be a miracle if the Philippines reaches Thailand's standard of living in our lifetime. There is actually more poverty in the Philippines today than there was 20 years ago. The country's economy is actually regressing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Apeman 28;1215759]Fellas, found this gem in my papers, thought members would like to have some "flashbacks" of the good old days. I still have nightmares of the shows in some of the drinking holes.[/QUOTE]Nightmares or more likely wet dreams?

Unfortunately the days of cheap pussy and cheap booze are long gone and the prices in AC are ridiculously high compared to the rest of the country. Except Manila of course.

And that inflation is due to ignorant foreigners whereever they come from. But Koreans are not the last I agree.

[QUOTE=Wadman;1215761]There is still lots of p4p in China, in the smaller cities. Still relatively affordable as of now. Although prices are rising in line with general wage increases and inflation in China.[/QUOTE]I concur about China. I lived there a long time when 100RMB was thought of as really lot of money. Soup was 3 RMB, bread was like 5 RMB. Fresh shrimp fried was like 20 RMB.

Girls were quite happy to get a crisp 100RMB bill. No tipping in China at that time including massage girls. Nowadays all girls ask for a tip including waitresses, massage girls and P4P girls.

Soon China will not be a cheap destination for girls.

Philippines will not loose its place as the cheap mongering place for a long time. The main thing is a explosion of population and people keep on putting out babies whether they can afford or not. This results in older girls to earn money whichever way they can to support themselves and the family. Some do not mind being prostitutes while others want to work as OFW or find a foreign bf for support.

AC is a whole different matter. The prices will keep going up and up because the owners and managers are all foreigners and want to push the prices higher. At the moment there is not appreciable drop in demand. Right now only good deal is AC even with the higher prices compared to Manila and even Cebu. The charm is the all inclusive barfine which everybody likes.

I guess if you are not the one sitting in the jail cell such a conversation could get tiring.

It seems to me one of the fundamental purposes of this board is to broadcast such information, so we may act in a concerted fashion. Conversely, we could go back to talking about what race spend the most money.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1214989]Yes, but how often does this happen that it needs to be discussed ad nauseam? Generally if a girl is not going to fuck you then she will say in advance that she will only go for barhopping.[/QUOTE]

Ok, here is my summary on the past week:

Dinner at ABC hotel (500P all you can eat Asian-fusion) , I had to include this because I found it unique in AC. They had about 10 dinner items + 4 desserts, you just choose which ones you want, and the girls brings it. Each plate was small (had the "french" fancy presentation too). The food was pretty damn good. I really like the look of the hotel (swim up bar, etc.) too bad its kind of pricey (standard room was 4900P / night). They even had a small bar next to the pool with its own (I assume) girls that you could EWR. Pretty convenient for the guests I suppose.

Lancelot. I still think this place is pretty good. The girls were friendly, not pushy, and weren't bad looking. The waitresses seemed better looking over all than the dancers. Not too loud, not smoky at all. Those were big pluses for me.

Lollipop. Wow, I was disappointed. The place is fairly run down and the girls were more interested in talking to each other than to customers. But to be fair, I went late and didn't stay long.

Champagne. Nice place, again, waitresses seemed better looking than the dancers. Set-up is strange. The booths are setup in a row facing the stage so doesn't make for a good area for "groups" of people to hang out. There are tables at either end of the stage, but then you can't see very much from those areas.

Treasure Island. Wow this place is small. Didn't stay since there wasn't enough room. Go early if you want to sit here.

Crystal Palace. I found this place so-so. There were many girls, but I didn't think they were that great looking. However, I got there late so maybe the good ones were already snatched up.

Golden Nile. Smoky place, crowded, loud. Some lookers, but it was a little too loud for conversations.

Dollhouse. Not too bad. Some nice dancers as well as decent looking waitresses.

Forbidden City. I still think this is one of the best places. The shows (choreographed dances) are entertaining. Lots of cute dancers and I ended up with a very hot girl from Quezon (why she was still there at midnight is beyond me). But, before she showed up, I spent most of the time talking to the waitresses. Ended up hanging out here almost the whole night. The dancer was awesome, made me very very happy, and never asked for anything. She seemed genuinely surprised when I gave her trike money the next day. She was a sweetheart!

Stayed at the Grand Central (or Central Grand. I never got this straight). I guess it used to be called the orange lion or something. So few seemed to know where it was. Its right on the strip, across the Amsterdam hotel. Hotel was great, no problems. Even the food was good. Went across to Amsterdam for breakfast (good food).

My overall thoughts / impressions:

1) Grand Central. Great hotel. I would stay again. The Amsterdam, from what I saw looked good too. The ABC hotel is awesome, but only if you want to pay out US $100+ a night.

2) Best clubs for me was the Lancelot and Forbidden city. During the afternoons, the International club and Tropix were two good handouts.

3) Cherry girls. I've seen the "concept" before in different forms in other places (Phnom Penh mostly). Funny, the non-cherry girls were very anxious to point out who the "cherry girls" are. Makes sense. Most guys would be looking for the whole deal so it helps trim down the competition for the non-cherries for drinks. Saw some Cherries giving the stink looks at the non-cherries! I have found that if you talk to the girl. They quickly tell you who the cherries are. I never sat with a cherry (not sure why. Guess I got lucky? Bad taste in women?)

4) Tropix had a system which seemed unique (maybe not) the girls that were not "bar fined" in a while had a different color (red) tag. And their EWR price was 150P less than the regulars (1650 vice 1800). Surprisingly, the ones that I saw with the "red" tag weren't necessarily the fuglies. I can only surmise that if the system works how they claim, some of you out there have some strange tastes (I am joking. Each to his own).

5) Seemed that the prices are fairly stable at 1600-1850 for regulars and 3K for "spotlight" girls.

6) A bit too many dudes selling drugs, Kubotan (batons) , belts, wallets, stun guns, and laser pointers (although in retrospect, playing with the pointer could have been fun in the clubs). I couldn't believe I saw guys buying the drugs from the street vendors. Scary. Who knows if its fake and if so, with what? I read a report recently that said something like 40% of the various pills circulating in southeast Asia were fake. But again, each to his own. Lots of beggars too. Especially kids. But they weren't as persistent / annoying as in Manila (Ermita).

7) Never went to Geckos. Really, there are so many other places, it wasn't hard to avoid. Just trying to support the group!

8) Didn't see / hear any Japanese, but saw many Koreans (I speak Japanese so if they talk, I'll know which is which).

9) Some places don't call it "bar fine" or "EWR". But instead bring a tray with 12 or 14 or whatever shots of whatever (rum&coke, juice, etc.) My friend freaked the first time since he didn't know why the lady brought it. Guess it makes the bar feel more "legit" since you are paying for the drinks and not the girl. Most times the drinks are left behind anyway.

10) I know some people argue country / city X is better than country / city Y and I will probably get flamed, but I have found beauties everywhere in Asia, and each country has its own charms. Hey, each to his own. In terms of price, AC is cheaper than Bangkok, Manila / Makati, KL, Jakarta and many other places, but not as cheap as Phnom Penh or smaller cities in Indonesia. I really like AC (and Philippines in general) simply because of the English level. Unless you get lucky in the other countries, its hard to get a girl with the same level of English ability as in the Philippines (in general).

Sorry this is so long, I just wanted to give back a report that others could use. Hopefully, this will help others out there!

[QUOTE=Sammon;1215876]AC is a whole different matter. The prices will keep going up and up because the owners and managers are all foreigners and want to push the prices higher. At the moment there is not appreciable drop in demand. Right now only good deal is AC even with the higher prices compared to Manila and even Cebu. The charm is the all inclusive barfine which everybody likes.[/QUOTE]Another major factor for price rise is "Tea Money" has increased ten fold after the report on western media and tough stance by US government on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. Without which there would be no grant to many PH social projects. PH government wants to show some action to the west to justify keep getting free money.

The pressure on Mayor, Police, Senator, etc etc is huge now a days in the PH. We have witnessed a string of raids and closure and arrest of bar owners, customers, bar girls etc in the last couple of years. Which was not happening in so frequently during the last 10 years or so. Unless, PH does not care like Thai King does on what the west thinks. Come what may. The price will keep going up

I wonder if the Kobe Steak House ever served any real kobe steaks. Anyone know?

[QUOTE=Apeman 28;1215759]Fellas, found this gem in my papers, thought members would like to have some "flashbacks" of the good old days. I still have nightmares of the shows in some of the drinking holes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1215716]You mean the place is about something other than expats and budget tourists?

Damn, going to miss that when its gone.[/QUOTE]No, expats and budget travellers will only be driven from the big bars (if they haven't already).

I believe there will always be bars and girls for every budget. Even on the busiest day, only about a third of all girls get barfined in Angeles City. As such, not every girl can command a P2000 barfine.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1216111]No, expats and budget travellers will only be driven from the big bars (if they haven't already).

I believe there will always be bars and girls for every budget. Even on the busiest day, only about a third of all girls get barfined in Angeles City. As such, not every girl can command a P2000 barfine.[/QUOTE]I suspect that figure of 1/3 getting bar fined is high. The top lookers will command high prices but from my 2 trips there, I suspect around 20 % get bar fined in any one day.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1216119]I suspect that figure of 1/3 getting bar fined is high. The top lookers will command high prices but from my 2 trips there, I suspect around 20 % get bar fined in any one day.[/QUOTE]

This is why I find it silly for people to complain about AC being unaffordable or how Koreans are overpaying. There's unimaginably far more girls than demanded. 80-90% of girls can't get away with charging P2000+. You have an endless supply of girls for under P1500.

People are really just complaining on why they can't get highest quality girls on a shoestring budget. It's like me complaining why I can't buy a Ferrari for the price of a Hyundai when there are plenty of Hyundais to choose from.

If you want the best top notch girls, PAY UP! No patron has immunity from the laws of supply and demand.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1216125]People are really just complaining on why they can't get highest quality girls on a shoestring budget. It's like me complaining why I can't buy a Ferrari for the price of a Hyundai when there are plenty of Hyundais to choose from.

If you want the best top notch girls, PAY UP! No patron has immunity from the laws of supply and demand.[/QUOTE]I think most of the complaints are about how much less value there is for money nowadays in AC. Before there used to be much more well behaved well performing hotties available at lesser prices than today.

You're analogy above is weak. It's more like a nice watering hole being overrun by fools in a drought!

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;1216119]I suspect that figure of 1/3 getting bar fined is high. The top lookers will command high prices but from my 2 trips there, I suspect around 20 % get bar fined in any one day.[/QUOTE]Some confirmation, the 20% to 1/3 thing. Two years ago in Body Shop I was chatting a waitress there that I date. Out of curiosity while having a drink there with her I asked how many girls will barfine tonight. There were two rows of dancing girls, one row of about 8 girls facing me, and another row of about 8 girls just behind that, facing away from me. She waved her hand at the entire group and said,"This many. About." I thought that a bit high, and asked if she was referring to all 16 girls."No. Just maybe them. Looking at us." So, just the ones facing us, not the ones facing away from us. I said,"About half then." She said no, there was another group waiting to perform when this group left the dancing stage: "This many girl [the 8 facing us, again with a wave of her hand] of all them." So, about 1 in 4 then?"Yes. About."

I asked if it was higher % on a Saturday night."No. More barfine. But more dancer. More waitress."

I think what most people are complaining about is returning to find their Hyundai parked in the Ferrari lot with a ridiculous price on it. Even more disappointing is finding out that the 'Ferrari' now performs worse and is less dependable than when it was a Hyundai. Rebranding the Hyundai as a Ferrari, while lowering performance and dependability, is a good move for the crooked car dealership in the short term. True, the customers looking for value in their purchases will shun the dealership but there will always be less savvy shoppers to take their place up to a point. Some of the larger dealerships are not in business to make a profit. The cars are simply there to provide a front for their real revenue generator. Therefore, they don't care about how many cars actually move off the lot.