Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273340]That is any dating site in general. I would not say it is a waste of time. That is just how picking up chicks work period. It is all statistical. You go up to 10 chicks and ask for their number and only 3 will say yes. Out of those 3 you may go on a date with 2 and only end up fucking 1 or 0. Shit that is how mating works for all animals. [/QUOTE]When I was in Asia, my funnel looked like this: message 100 chicks, get response from 15, meet 3, sleep with 1 if lucky.

So after building a decent profile (well, as decent as my looks allowed) I had a goal of messaging at least 50 per day, better 100, until I had some action going. Took about 2 weeks to get comfortable.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2272940]Sounds FR like you value in-room time only so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:

Scandalo 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.

Fazendinha 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.

And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly. I am actually quite shy and I have a slight form of Asperger's. So I only go to those places for one thing. Physical intimacy with a woman. I don't mean the genital contact, holding hands and hugging, massaging, having a girl sit in my lap is all nice too and helps me feel human and desired, which is something I don't get in the daily life. (even getting naked in front of a girl, my mind kinda disassociates from the experience so I don't "feel" shyness but it's always there) So the social aspect is a distraction at best, and can be very annoying at worst. Depending on how starved for human contact I am.

This trip has been thoroughly therapeutic though, I must say. Tons of "the right kind" of interactions.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2271731]Moema Prime. Despite your "bad" rating I would encourage others to visit Moema Prime and judge for themselves. Normally, the reception is the most friendly. You have to understand 30 minutes is a very short time and including 2 showers it will pass fast. Prime generally has a large lineup 8-15 girls with a very "high average". It just opened in 2018 and has great facilities. It is my #1 recommendation in Moema.[/QUOTE]Oh the reception was most friendly. They didn't speak any English so they asked other customers to help explain the system to me.

However, I've been getting 30-minute sessions everywhere else, with two showers (before and after) for me and the girl, as a standard procedure, and this was the only place that insisted on charging me for an hour. That without any advance notice. And obviously they knew that the source of the confusion was not having the common understanding. Because they asked another customer to explain why they want to charge for a full hour.

It would have been a very simple customer service courtesy move to just charge me for 30 minutes. After all, it's not like I was trying to turn 59 minutes into 30 - it was maybe 40 minutes tops. But they used short-term thinking and they lost significant business because this shows that they don't really have the customer service in mind. Maybe they thought that I was just another tourist. A one-time interaction. And I don't want to support that kind of attitude. What sucks is that I had high hopes for this establishment because of the good reviews, and it is less than 10 minutes walk from where I stayed, so it could have been my first choice on a trip where I fucked my way through about 5500 reals.

Yes, the facility is nice, recently renovated, etc etc. I'm sure they'll do splendidly without me.

One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).

Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?

Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL for the tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2274887]Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?.[/QUOTE]These are reasonable questions but at the same time don't get too hung up on time and such. My advice is to go early and at worst hang out, I mean what else do you have to do and what better place to do it?

Casarao. It opens at 10 pm, all girls must enter by 12 midnight. If you enter at 11 it is good because it is not crowded and you can navigate the entire club easily and see the chicks as they arrive. Hang out by the stage and you will see all the girls entering with their bags, going up to change and then coming down. By 12:30 all of them should be on the floor. So by 1:00 am you should have seen all there is to see that night. One misconception in your post re Scandalo girls and such. We have said that some girls work various clubs, scandalo, bomboa, casarao, photo, clinicas etc. But I have never said that girls work first at Scandalo and then at Casarao on the same day. I would find that unlikely. Remember Scandalo is open until 5 am too. What I have said is that on any given night you may find chicks at Casarao that on other nights work at other places. Its unlikely that any girls will arrive after 12:00 am because then they have to pay admission and they are all very careful to avoid paying whenever possible.

Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want. I don't know about you, but I don't like banging a clincia chick at the end of her shift after she has been "working' all day. I would much prefer to be her first client.

Scandalo. It opens at noon, and there are 3 shifts of women. When I have been a wingman for visitors we have entered before 7 pm to get the discount entrance and we have stayed till past midnight. That straddles 2 shifts. If you prefer to enter at the peak, then enter at 11.

I would not be so concerned about number of pops, but that is your business.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2274887]One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).

Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?

Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL forthe tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.[/QUOTE]Rovnak as usual has all the best info. Some great insider tips there, so I can't improve on that. On the two pops, yes best to wait 20 or even thirty minutes if I can. A key is to not start again too quickly. Don't sweat the Viagra redose. If 50 makes you hard you will get hard again without redosing. It lasts several hours.

Two other things:

Make sure to agree two pops beforehand. Booking a girl usually only means one unless you agree before. In Portuguese "Duas vezes" (pronounced like vases). The room at Scandalo charges fines past the one hour mark but would be worth it if you are close.

Very unlikely to get a second pop with a condom. If you have to fuck to feel right then do it but you better get back to BBBJ and HJ if you want to pull a second pop at your age. Also don't be afraid to finish by your hand. Only way to go some times. No shame in that.

Located at one block of the metro station, is an oriental customers style clinic, most customers are orientals and some time some nipo-braziilian girls show up.

Mon through Sat 10 AM to 10 PM; Sun 12 PM till 8 PM.

Newly renewed, eight rooms, some 10 girls, Sundays most are freelancers, some English speaking girls.

160 reais in cash for one hour.

PM me for details.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2274887]One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).

Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.

Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.

4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?

Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL for the tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.[/QUOTE]Referring to your third question, I would go there around 1 PM, see the girls coming in and, choose a girl right away before the place gets crowded.

Some guys may argue that around 4 PM is the best time, true, there will be almost 40 girls on the parade on this time, but also lots of customers are going to show up and some waiting for empty rooms is very likely to happen. I also prefer to be the first customer of her, because girls are still relaxed.

Yesterday I was there and saw one of the best lineups with some gorgeous girls from Goiania, GO.

If you did your first TD and want to spend the rest of the evening in a more relaxed atmosphere than go to ESPACO VERGEUEIRO, Rua Vergueiro 170, near SAO JOAQUIM station.

It's a bar, some 10 girls at the house around 4 PM. , has five rooms and a large salon for cocktails. Drinks at honest prices, well-selected bar.

GAROTA + ROOM 230 reais, one hour, discounts available for the happy hour and if paid in cash.

Mon. To Sati from noon to 3 AM, Sun closed.

ABG.

In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.

Another great night at Casarao.

Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.

I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.

Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?

1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time.

2) Before: how many days Before the carnival does the mongering scene start to slow down? Is it the same in Rio and SP?

3) After: And how many days After the carnival does it get back to normal?

4) If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?

5) off topic: If I want to fit in Colombia for this trip, should I go before or after Brazil?

Thanks guys.

HM2.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2275424]In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.

Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.

You have to order beer from across the street. I hung out for an hour or 2 at Tangara and it is true that it was more chill and has more loungy space than the other 2 clinicas I visited (Brooklin and Miruna) BUT 1) I had already has a session and 2) I was hanging with ABG. Don't know if those impacted my experience. I was there on a weekday when the lineup is deeper too.

Hb.

[QUOTE=Thunder5;2275424]In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.

I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.

ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2275544]Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.

Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.[/QUOTE]Haha, the operative word is "CAN hang out". I was not suggesting its a festive hang out but you CAN hang out even if you are the only one. Its not like Rio where for some odd reason they try to hide the clients from each other. There is always a salon to sit in and watch TV at least. I bring a kindle and read if I am waiting to see the rest of the lineup. Did that today, hung out at Prime just to see 2 new girls that were occupied when I arrived. Sat back and read like I was at the library.

Now, there are some locals who really do use the clinicas like 'hangouts', quase-social clubs. If you are ever at Tangara on a weekend the crowd overflows the salon and people hang out in the patio area. I've even hung out in the girls 'hanger' on the other side, but it was a downer because it smelled like a locker room over there LOL. There are some regulars who sit and chat for hours at TG and Brooklin. But that is as you were pointing out. Subject to time and day.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2275544]When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her..[/QUOTE]There are 3 things in your statement that I would like to respond to as they might give a reader the wrong impression.

"Sunday at noon and there were only 3 girls" - Sunday is usually a super busy day "by 2 pm". I get TG lineup messages all day every day on whatsapp and they routinely have 20-30 ladies on a Sunday. Actually every day. The ladies don't all arrive at the same time, and either you got there when they had just opened or it might have been a holiday weekend?

" I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. " -I can understand that you might have been uncomfortable but I assure you that no one else would have cared, not the other guy nor the managers nor the ladies. You could have sat there and read your smartphone and no one would have noticed.

"The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her" - Actually, you could have said "I am not interested in anyone at the moment", the easiest way to do this for a visitor is to say "I'm thinking" "estou pensando" . And then the management will just ignore you and you can sit there forever and leave when you want or eventually choose someone, 5 minutes or 5 hours later.

I am not trying to pick apart your post to quibble but to straighten out what appear to be some cultural misunderstanding on your part. I think you were inferring some pressure and some "social self consciousness" that really is there only one your side. I think you were "feeling" the way you would be in an American establishment or wherever you are from, but this environment is different. So you may have thought it was awkward, but it was only awkward "for you". Cheers.