FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Craiova;1953244]Wow yep I can see this at Palace, many nationalities in few numbers and most of them at a 50 euro session lowest level.[/QUOTE]Palace is not Artemis.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952728]Yes it is best not to think too much what the WG has been doing before your session. If the girls would be more initiative with kissing then I would propably go with the flow but since they are mostly reluctant I just don't bother. For me the intercourse in the main event. But each to his own, I am not here to judge what punters should do. Many guys prefer BBBJ, I take CBJ because of the constant NGU that I get from these girls. Their mouths are just a nest of germs. Just personal preference like many other moves we make inside FKK's.

I think punters should understand that every girl does not do all the stuff in a basic 50 Euro session. And if someone tells you rudely that they do not kiss, move on and find another one who does. Once in Oase I asked busty Carla in the room to put some more eroticism in the game since her every move was like a robot's. She stopped cleaning my cock with a wet wipe, looked at me and said:"Eroticism belongs to my boyfriend, this is just work!" I laughed and still managed to have a good ride from her. That sentence made me realize what to expect from a FKK working girl in the future.[/QUOTE]I think our views are different. There are providers that are more capable over others. Believe me, I've run into plenty of them. They can be a lot fun. And then you got more jaded pros. Chances are great to run into them at places like Art. Art is one of those clubs you meet those that of the higher end of the spectrum when it comes to pro-ness. Well, at least this is how I describe some girls as especiallly the ones that has been in the industry long enough, and lost that youthful spark. Others may have a different way of seeing thing, but this depends on girl character / personality types, and how we define services can have some variance.

Since kissing, etc. Is part of what excites some punters in sessions. I have met plenty of what I describe as "capable" girls that do provide some passion into it, but not all girls are capable. It all depends on the girl (and also to some degree clientel). Also, club culture influence on it. If there are more clientel with higher expectations and more in what is saught after in a session, and with provider competition in clubs to make the money, it will raise the standards in service with more offering by more and more girls.

Usually, a lot of the demanding customers are moving to smaller clubs as greater tourists show up. This does drive service levels down. I suggest many of yall that has not explored much in De, look into some clubs that has good reputation of service, and see what makes them particularly of draw some punters.

In the end all depends on preference of the punter. If your expectations are fullfilled by the 99% of pros in Artemis, nothing complain about.

Here is a pure example of what I consider a real pro:
[QUOTE=Danny227;1951699]Probably not, that Kiara is filtering men based on who is an easy prey. Hence, if she thinks you are hard work and not easy money, she will not go with you. She is a true tourist trap. A beautiful plastic tourist trap, but still a waste of money. Taking her means you part with art least 120 euro and get very little in return, including an argument for covered BJ.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953300]Palace is not Artemis.[/QUOTE]Ups I didn't know that your theory about national group pressure at FKK clubs works (only) at Artemis and doesn't work at Palace or is it the other way around. LOL.

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1952728]
I think punters should understand that every girl does not do all the stuff in a basic 50 Euro session. [/QUOTE]Let me refrase. My purpose was to write "Not every girl will do all the basic stuff in 50 euro session".

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1953303]I think our views are different. There are providers that are more capable over others. [/QUOTE]Our views does not differ that much. Surely there are big differences in the girls behaviour and capability. I know this very well since I have experienced many good and bad sessions over the years.

I am not very demanding in the room regarding service. I don't need to kiss, I am happy with CBJ. I enjoy best girls who have good fucking techniques, especially CG and RCG, combined with nice body and tits of course. And some fuck durability from the hookers since I don't come in a minute.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953241]Nationalities with fewer girls give much better service. [/QUOTE]Aha. So in a club with 60 Romanians, 10 Bulgarians, 5 Polish and 2 Germans the German girls would give the best service, followed by the Polish, Bulgarian and Romanians. Interesting theory. But only a theory.

HB.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1953309]Ups I didn't know that your theory about national group pressure at FKK clubs works (only) at Artemis and doesn't work at Palace or is it the other way around. LOL.[/QUOTE]It was not a theory. It was an observation of Artemis in the Artemis thread.

HB: please make all the metaphysical theories you want. I have upgraded my bandwidth.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1953322]Aha. So in a club with 60 Romanians, 10 Bulgarians, 5 Polish and 2 Germans the German girls would give the best service, followed by the Polish, Bulgarian and Romanians. Interesting theory. But only a theory.

HB.[/QUOTE]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1953359]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.[/QUOTE]Indeed. But it is more due to the climate at Artemis than Romanians in general.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953392]Indeed. But it is more due to the climate at Artemis than romanians in general.[/QUOTE]Indeed not. All this nationalistic theory stuff is IMHO complete bullshit. And just from good statistics sample. If there are more girls from somewhere, like maybe 60%, then of course odds are there may be more problems reported from that group as there are more of them vs. others. But has nothing to do with national origin. Correlation not causation. That was HB point and he is right. There are many great Romanians if you choose wisely. There are great women from everywhere. If anything, maybe one generalization that has some truth is how fine Italian [i]men[/i] behave on the weekend - something almost all girls at Artemis confirm. But there are also even Italian gentlemen Ninja knows.

Every 6 months this comes up like flu season. Pseudo scientists make silly statements that go on for days to show how worldly and experienced they are when actually it shows opposite. Then it dies out (yey).

Only thing that matters ever is chemistry. If you have bad time, mostly blame yourself, not because some girl came from Upper Fuckistan. Signs were probably there if you were observant enough, and most bad experiences avoided by saying no to zimmer if vibe bad. And many men, some obviously nuts, think just paying 60 Eur will guarantee them good time, when they have many "issues" themselves. Silly and show ignorance and inexperience.

How man and woman click together is individual thing, difficult to predict. Even in real world you can have fun date, then go to bed together and can be not so great. It just happens. Please now we leave metaphysics (or go to Lounge, or Bathroom) and just get back to reports that help others.

Your post is ridiculous. Chemistry is important. Allways is. The larger the nationality, the larger chance of conflicts. Also true. But also the larger chance of rules being made within these large groups. Italians? LOL. Girls told you this? You later tipped her 100 euro? :p

She also told you you are an Italian stallion with a big anaconda?

Your comment about 60 euro tells me that you are fine with girls upselling. I never extend with girls that hold back during a 30min session. But with good girls I go 1h sometimes too, if you take the reverse approach to this, then you either don't have a good handle of your money, or you open yourself to getting screwed over by the girl(s)

Romanians are top girls in general I agree. FKK's would be dull without them. But at Artemis there is a bad group that has formed. Some of them seems to be gone after the raid though. So they are not as many as they were. But still influential.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1953359]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.[/QUOTE]If you believe in this it is better you stay out of the FKK in Germany because most probably 90% of the girls are from Romanian even they will tell you that they are coming from a other country. Obviously I can t agree with your statement and over the years I had great experiences with the Romanian girls.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1953865]Your post is rediculous. Chemistry is important. Allways is. The larger the nationality, the larger chance of conflicts. Also true. But also the larger chance of rules being made within these large groups. Italians? LOL. Girls told you this?[/QUOTE]P-this was not meant as an attack on you, and apologies if you took it so. But you missed points or misunderstood much; Italian men comment meant to be ironic (everyone knows they are a disaster on the weekend). And 60 Eur bit nothing to do with up-selling or time. Only that just because you pay a girl something, this not overcome bad chemistry. This is essential point of good FKK experience; not where girl (or monger) comes from.

Your worry about cliques- so what, they are everywhere, who cares? There are many cliques in Artemis, just like in any office. Some related to nationality, some just friends network. But what goes on in zimmer is between one individual girl and you. If somehow you feel clique behavior influences this, [i]you[/i] (the monger not you personally) have allowed this to happen and affect price and experience. If you cannot take charge of this situation, discuss and agree on what is expected before zimmer, or just say no if vibe is bad, no point in going to FKK club. Anyway, at least you agree with other "rediculous" points.

Whatever. Please now we just move back to real reports and enough of all this United Nations stuff.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1953359]In general, Romanians tend to give bad service.

Not all Romanians, but they mostly give bad service. Like 99% LOL.[/QUOTE]If you really meant that Mr Ho I think you really need to consider your own performance!

I monger in Spain a lot (more than in Germany) where there is a far better balance of latinas and other nationalities. In Vive Madrid there are probably no higher than 15% Romanian girls, and maybe 20% in Scanadalo in Malaga. Yet if I had to rank my top 5 girls of all time in Spain (and trust me that spans about 25 years!) I'd put 3 Romanian girls in that top 5. In fact, my top girl in each of those two clubs, and Factory Air in Madrid, and in Artemis, Oase, Temptation in Vilamoura Portugal, New York Bar in Dubai and even in Cosmopolitan Manchester UK are ALL Romanian and trust me I am picky about good service!

So you've either had extremely bad luck. Or your estimation of 99% Romanian girls giving bad service was just a joke. You did say LOL after it so I'll assume it was the latter.

Payforit: it probably comes from the fact the Mr. Ho has mainly gone to Artemis. And hit the same group I discussed.

Met lots of WG's from Romania who has worked in Spain also. Generally quite good service, but the groups that can form at german FKK's can turn it into a bad cocktail. Maybe it has to do with the rates they get in Germany which is not appreciating much year on year. Then again, whole Europe is stagnating and unemployment rate is high. So it is hard to point fingers.

All depends on MrHo's taste, and how many Romies he has tried at several clubs, and what clubs he has tried the Romies at. Probably has to open up his sampling at various places, and the truth will come out. Also, consider that people have differing ideas in what they think of good service.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1953322]Aha. So in a club with 60 Romanians, 10 Bulgarians, 5 Polish and 2 Germans the German girls would give the best service, followed by the Polish, Bulgarian and Romanians. Interesting theory. But only a theory.

HB.[/QUOTE]Here is an example. Within the 60, you have higher odds that you sample enough that you'd find a good service provider. But also, there maybe more bad providers in the pack than say 5 Polish and 2 Germans. Or with such a few number of Polish or Germans, too few to say either or. Just luck has it the 2 Germans are good providers, or bad luck that both are not.