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[QUOTE=Jojosun;1260260]And what about posters walking into a Strip Club or a Bar I. And nailing a stunner in record time & For Free.[/QUOTE]Nothing extraordinary with that. There's many opportunities with strippers in FSU, as long as you treat them nicely and have some "game". Jake993 and Passepartout said it better in the Russia forum, these girls are treated like piece of meat night after nignt and are often not looking for money as much as they are looking for a little personal attention, empathy and respect. As a side note, many of them are completely normal people outside of work.

By the way having a stripper as a regular "fuck-buddy" is a very good position in that even if you go to a non-pro disco or have a date with a non-pro and say don't get any that night, you always have your stripper to fall back on at 5am. My first freebie stripper experience was in Chisinau, with a nice and rather hot girl 21 yo working in Bacardi Club. She would get off of work at 5am, SMSed to see if I was available or still awake, and if I was, would go to my apartment, down one beer or two, talk a bit, have sex, sleep till noon, sex again, and then leave. No questions asked and no materialistic expectations, save a few cocktails sometimes at 7 pm before her work. Talk about a nice situation. I then had the same kind of experience in Tashkent and other places in FSU.

Talking about Tashkent, in case of someone here is interested by comparisons (it seems that many guys here SHOULD expand their horizons), there is strip bar there named FM bar, a drinking hole and a strip club under the same roof. Usually, there are 25 - 30 girls and not very many guys. Most of the girls are rather hot (by my standarts), and all ethnicities are represented - it's Uzbekistan, the most ethnically various country in FSU. It's as close to a striptease club that you can get in Tashkent, which means: the girls don't get totally naked, but stay in lingerie (with a few dancing exceptions). Usually, they'll come to your table and ask you whether you want a lapdance or a massage. The lapdance is a normal lapdance, and after it's done you're expected to hand a tip to the girl. Usually 3000 Soum (1€) will do, but if you really enjoyed the dance 4000 soums is better. The massage is a neck and shoulder massage. Some of the girls are also really good at that. The price is the same as for the lapdance and usually, lapdance and massage last for the duration of one song.

The drinks are humanly priced with the ladies drinks going for the rate same as the customer’s: a long neck beer is 1€ and a vodka shot even cheaper. Girls don't drink expensive silly champagne cocktails but are perfectly happy with beer, and occasionally by a hookah or some chocolate bonbons if they want to stay longer at your table (no fee), which often happen if you're nice with them. At those prices, I am rather generous and usually ordered anything they asked for so I had permanently two or three girls at my table. And as every other strip club of the region, if you hit it off with one of the girls, you can quite easily date her for a lunch or a drink the next day and strike up a freebie relationship.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1260212]Why even bother replying when you haven't been there? You are neither experienced in Chisinau or apparently Kiev. What is the sound of one hand clapping? Little Joey as he types a post on ISG.

You talking about Rio endlessly is about as interesting as you doing a cost comparison about the value menu at the McDonalds on Khreshatic, which I'm sure is probably next.

Just so there is no confusion about why the experienced members of the board react the way we do to you posts. Everything about your posts screams, I don't have a clue and apparently you are willing to write very long disjointed essays to that effect.

Please stop, it's extremely tedious. You can take girls out of Rio for sex, some are okay looking. We get it. Stop.

The board didn't jump back to life because you posted your 100th dissertation on Rio. It came roaring back to life because I started posting and some other senior members joined me. People that actually have something to say other than I went to Rio (Buddha Bar, GIA) , my apartment, Arena to eat and then back to the airport.[/QUOTE]Cruiser Dave, I have read the small snippets of comments you have posted since you recently began posting and detect nothing of value to anyone contributed by you. You have posted no action reports or current intel. The Kiev thread has not "come roaring back to life" because you started posting except in your own mind, but such a line does clearly expose how self important you feel. And this in turn explains why you persist in trying to mischaracterize my posts as being only about Rio, which is false. I have written about all of Kiev's p4p options. Anyone who has read my prior posts knows that I have reported on all aspects of Kiev's p4p, and I have experimented with all of it, and that I know what I am writing about. Further I supply valid factual reasons for any recommendation I make which are sufficient explanation for my conclusions, without going into delusional conspiracy theories. If you wish to dispute a recommendation or conclusion I have made, do so on a factual basis. Otherwise, your ad hominem attacks on me are useless rubbish.

You have posted no action reports and have not recently contributed anything of value. Why don't you stop trying to fight with others and be more constructive. Sorry if I'm not bowing before your highnesses, but the emperor hath no clothes.

LJ

[quote=gentleman travel; 1260315]hey romany, thanks for the detailed reports, not everyone does this after mining the forum for advice.

glad you had a great time, although i think you made things difficult for yourself with your "no repeats" policy. the roi goes up dramatically when you don't incur the work and risks of finding a new pussy every time. but to each his own!

how much was the gia girl? if you say "same as montreal" i assume that is $200-$250 per hour? but it sounds like you got a real gfe from her and probably more than one hours time?[/quote]glad you enjoyed the travelogue. i've used isg for years, but for the first time felt like i had a number of questions i could not dig out of the forum (in a reasonable amount of time). my small payback may be appreciated by a few, and i hope that one of you is willing to do the faq.

actually, since the gia girls were each $300/2hrs it makes them a little cheaper than montreal. i usually pay $180-200 / hr in montreal with no discount until three hours. i always do at least two hours to build a rapport, for the experience i'm looking for it works better to have a half hour of talk, then to slowly move into the touch, kiss phase rather than meeting them at the door nude and peeling them down on the spot. this is the closest two people ever get, treating them like a friend, an equal, and a lover makes it a lot more pleasurable for me in the long run.

no repeat policy stems from a bad mistake 30 years ago. i did a rescue on a high end la call girl that led to a ten year relationship. the divorce and subsequent therapy makes that the most expensive pussy i've ever dreamed about. even though sorely tempted in kiev i will never see a p4p again within the year, and also why i shy away from "freebies". i'm not buying anybody another house, or splitting what remains of my retirement. hourly works best for me.

one more flight to get home. kiev is fortunately too far from home for me to even consider returning. beautiful women all over the place. a couple out of my small sample were absolutely awesome in bed. beautiful city, great food. totally understand why those that stay or return are there, but not again for me.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1260267]Hi Joey. Planning to fly to Kiev in the beggining of may for 2-3 days. I know the summer is not the best time for Kiev as a lot of hotties travel to the seas, but what about April-may? If there are a lot of students there as you mentioned so they are going to be in study vaccations. Does somebody know when the studies end in Kiev this year? Suppose earlier then last year because of euro 2012. Joey, you have been there last April, did you mention some abcence of hotties in that period of time?[/QUOTE]Last year I don't think I detected any noticeable lack of p4p girls after the Easter holiday, so the "holiday" effect should not persist after the holiday ends this year too. However, you have alluded to the effect changes in the university schedules this year because of Euro 2012. This is an unknown, although there was some posting on it earlier in the thread. I suppose you could try to ask or find out about the university schedule more in detail and make inferences based on what you find out. We will just have to wait and see. If you already have booked the trip, I'm sure you will still be able to have a nice time even if some girls have left town.

[QUOTE=Dave Carrera;1260242]Our flights and hotel are now set. We are coming to Kiev for 4 nights mid April, and staying in a suite and 2 regular rooms at the Hyatt. We will do as you have suggested; wish there were a site with verifiable photos as so much to choose from and we are trying to maximize fun and ease.[/QUOTE]I responded to you via PM regarding using a website to choose girls. I assume you mean to try out the girls in advance of your batchelor party, when you wrote you'll do as I suggested. Now you've given the time for your trip as mid-April. I hope you were mindful of the prior posts to avoid the Easter holiday period. What are your exact dates of travel?

Diplomats are the way they are because they generally want something from someone.

[QUOTE=Jojosun; 1260277]I mean can't you & Ukeboy adopt the Style of a very good diplomat, when he tells you to Go to Hell, and actually makes you look Forward to It.

Keep them coming, your Posts.[/QUOTE]

I've posted more information in less than 5% of the words you used than you have in a year in the last week.

Like I said. Rio is a stripclub, some of the girls are good looking. You can hire some of them for sex. That basically sums up your contribution.

I'm not fighting with anyone. I'm just calling most of your postings a waste of pixels, which they are.

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1260324]You have posted no action reports and have not recently contributed anything of value. Why don't you stop trying to fight with others and be more constructive. Sorry if I'm not bowing before your highnesses, but the emperor hath no clothes.

LJ[/QUOTE]

You have to take strippers, escorts, porn stars for who they are but still of course treat them like human beings who just made some really bad life decisions. Things are going to end badly 99% of the time you attempt a serious relationship with them.

Semi pros deserve a little more lee way but never let them treat you like a chump. One of my favorite Russian sayings is 'that is not normal'. When the girls step out of line I call them on it every time and they step right back. They appreciate the daddy discpline, it shows someone actually cares about them. Win-Win.

[QUOTE=RomanyStar;1260325]No repeat policy stems from a BAD mistake 30 years ago. I did a rescue on a high end LA call girl that led to a ten year relationship. The divorce and subsequent therapy makes that the MOST expensive pussy I've ever dreamed about. Even though sorely tempted in Kiev I will NEVER see a p4p again within the year, and also why I shy away from "freebies". I'm not buying anybody another house, or splitting what remains of my retirement. Hourly works best for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Insomniaque; 1160785]Sent SMS and made phone calls for the traditional afternoon shag, until I was called back by a Mamba girl: pretty do-able, judging from the photos, although not really my type (initially I had called for her girlfriend whom I found much more attractive, but that one was currently abroad). Well, I thought, we shall see.

Of course, she was late, and of course, it was not the girl on the pictures. As I came down to meet her I first saw her back, as she had missed my entrance and kept walking in the street, so I ran after her, thinking, this is not the girl on the picture, clearly the body does not match, but this one seems smoking hot! Delicious tan (from some Moroccan blood, I would learn later) perfect waist to hip ratio (I mean PERFECT) , limber curves. Miam, miam! Let us just hope that the face will be nice as well! And then she turned, and the world just froze. I raised my eyebrows and stared at her stupidly. It was not a downgrade. It was not an upgrade. It was a miracle. Soft face, nice lips, perfect eyebrows, and most of all, the most beautiful, tenebrious dark eyes I have seen in Ukraine. So fucking dark, so fucking soft, like the endless sleep of death. Oh my god. My look then came down from her face to her breast, which I could easily admire in this outrageous dress of hers. I nearly choked. It was just too fucking good to be true! To complete the picture, I should also mention the fact she wears no make up. She doesn't need to. A pure natural beauty, and a girl you will necessarily wish to have in your bed. Unless you are gay. And even so.

As for the intercourse, well, it was a bit strange, due to the fact that I was mesmerised, so I would just forget what I was here for. =) Having said that, it was not the shag of the century, covered BJ, DATY strictly prohibited and hardly any FK at all; still it was a good shag, as she was involved and I could feel her vagina contracting, and it was rather passionate. Maybe she just don't like to be licked, after all. (My, is that conceivable.) I intend to see her again if I can, experience shows that repeated meetings will get you better service from one time to the next, provided there is a good connection in the first place. And I look forward to finding out how far I can go with that one, because she is just too damn beautiful![/QUOTE]Hello, Insomniate, can you help me in finding of this morrocan girl in Kiev? What is her name in mamba? Could you bring a link?

[QUOTE=Cruiser D; 1260203]The report of distinction area is the FAQ.

The map is a definitive newbies guide to Kiev. Too Funny. .[/QUOTE]The ROD area on ISG is historical, A FAQ is maintained current information. It requires a commitment on the FAQ owner / moderators part. The best FAQ's are a community effort. A good one is worth it's weight in gold for someone new to the subject matter.

As for the map being a newbie guide, what else would you expect it to be? I prepared it from the info I gleaned from the forum. I also asked for help a couple times. I thank those that chose to contribute, and wonder why others are guarding their information so jealously.

I hope someone takes it on who will make it on the same level as the FKK maps that are out there. I can't do that with five nights experience, but some of you sure could turn this into a useful tool that in itself would answer a huge number of the newbie questions.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D;1260359]human beings who just made some really bad life decisions[/QUOTE]There are two sides to the group making that life decision. I love my life, this hobby included, but I don't kid myself and pretend that it is at all the smartest, safest, or healthiest way to be spending my days.

It really fucks me off when you go to the trouble of writing about something and within a page someone asks exactly the same question.

Easter. Mid April. Some students may go home, but only for a few days (weekend will be quiet). Academic year ends in May, even stripping students care a lot about their education (one girl left my apartment last night. Err. This morning, and went straight to uni bless 'er!). Therefore, some students with same amount of work in less time may choose to miss a week or two, or maybe 4 after Easter until after the exams.

But the mother of all parties kicks off on graduation day. Great if you can infiltrate one of those (oooooh, happy memories)

So back to the point. There are two reasons why there MAY BE fewer working girls around from mid April to end of May.

We have enough trouble reading the minds of one girl we've met / shagged let along predicting the behaviour patterns of hundreds of girls we've not met!

Unbiased report coming up!

I do believe the quality has gone down a notch or two from what I saw. I am not one of those who barges in when the doors open to get the best seat / hooker.

And the place was busier than I have ever seen. Even Dima genuinely couldn't get me a table in any of the 3 areas, shocking!

Slava saved the day in VIP by asking some very wealthy Russians to squeeze up to allow a distinguished client a seat. Hahaha!

So maybe with it being ludicrously busy a lot of talent was already out, when I got there about midnight (after saying goodnight to a sexy friend who was going behind her Ukr boyfriend's back).

Sadly I did not find "Club Dolls". A guy told me he thinks it's near Respublikansky metro not Sports Palats, but only found that out after snooping around new stadium for a while.

So headed to Rio quite indifferent about taking anyone out as I had a reserve option anyway, but in the end did join the tourists overpaying with a girl whose English vocabulary was about 25% of my Russian. It was first time EVER in Rio that I had discussed services with potential takeout BEFORE paying."Minet bez p" was agreed, though she was a little hesitant about it, and off we headed. The night was looking up when I came out of club, crossed the road and taxi driver inexplicably offered sorok hryvnya for our trip back near Maidan (it was raining and I couldn't make the poor girl walk!)

Anyway, girl came in, we did the deed numerous times, and she left. I thought she was good, not exceptional. Her blow job technique needed correcting / improving, but she is a quick learner! And one more interesting point, I floated the idea to her of next time she should come visit me before the club opens and she seemed open to the proposal. I won't post her stage name on here in case she gets fired.

So tonight in Rio I saw only one genuine "stunner", three other very hot, two of whom were only dancers, though one told me "yes you can take me out, but you can't have sex with me". Go figure!

And quite a few very ropey trolls, the like of which I have never seen in Rio before. And at a guess I would imagine only about 45 girls working the 4 stages.

[QUOTE=TheKnight;1260420]And one more interesting point, I floated the idea to her of next time she should come visit me before the club opens and she seemed open to the proposal. I won't post her stage name on here in case she gets fired.[/QUOTE]That is an interesting point. I will share with you that for over a year I also tried to get some of their girls to come over for a date in the afternoon, and always, always was refused, causing us to wonder what could be the reason for this uniform reluctance to date customers during daytime before club opening, when it would seem that for the girls this would be a perk? And now suddenly for my upcoming visit to Kiev, I have managed to get two girls to consider daytime dates, who previously refused outright. Coupled with TheKnight's comment, it is possible there has been a policy change. It bears monitoring. The ability to date these girls during the daytime would be an improvement. I'm much better in the sack when I'm fresher and more rested in the afternoon, than after I'm exhausted at 4:00AM in the morning.

I'm getting different reports from this site. Some of you guys are saying best time to go to Kiev to check out Rio club is in mid-May, now TheKnight is agaist going from mid-April to end of May. So guys when is the best time to go to Kiev to pick up hot fresh young college girls from club Rio.