Angeles City

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1220952]If you are the bar owner, each LD purchased not only profits the bar directly from the drink price, it also makes the girl less likely to barfine, keeping her in the bar all night and closer to the more profitable LD purchases.[/QUOTE]A way bars can maximize revenue is for a girl to sell LDs until about 3:00am and then have her get barfined.

I wouldn't be surprised if bars would start offering "reservation barfines". In this barfine arrangement, the patron pays to barfine a girl but has to come back at 3:00am to get her. She can still talk to other patrons, sell LDs, and even go short-time with them. But she's yours from 3:00am onwards.

If I were a bar owner, I'd even experiment with a barfine auction system. Patrons can submit their bids (and must pay immediately). The highest bidder at 3:00am gets her. The losing bidders get their money back plus a free drink. Of course, this only applies to the girls in highest demand.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1221023]A way bars can maximize revenue is for a girl to sell LDs until about 3:00am and then have her get barfined.[/QUOTE]Many girls keep a minimum peso number in mind (I get this from a mamsan) , if she hits that number during the evening, she's no longer interested in barfining (she knows she will not be getting the ewr money). For instance, if she can make 400 from LD's, she will not want to barfine that night (which is another 800 in her pocket). Many bargirls would rather earn money staying in the bar, rather than risk disease, pregnancy, or an abusive guy. If she earns nothing, or 150, from LD's from chatting gents (or not being called off the dance line at all) , she might be quick to barfine. On the other hand, if she barfined last night, and got a big tip, she might not at all be interested in EWR. Pinay are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they often don't look an entire week ahead to see what bills need to be paid. They wait until the last possible moment, then have a small heart attack over owing money to someone, then do the desperate thing to get the money.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1221023]I wouldn't be surprised if bars would start offering "reservation barfines". In this barfine arrangement, the patron pays to barfine a girl but has to come back at 3:00am to get her. She can still talk to other patrons, sell LDs, and even go short-time with them. But she's yours from 3:00am onwards.[/QUOTE]This is done all the time. Watch and you will see a group of japanese or korean guys walk in (say. 8pm) , chat up the mamasan and she will call a few girls over. The guys pay the barfine (4 guys. 4 girls) , then leave without the girls, and come back and pick up the girls at a pre-determined time (say. 1am) [I][If you walk into the bar after the koreans leave and buy one of those 'taken' girls a drink, she will let you buy her drinks all night long. If you then suggest EWR, only then will she tell you that she's already barfined]. [/I] This gives the korean guys time to go drinking in other bars (and spreading LD's along the way) , then coming back to pick up the girls, go out drinking with them even more, and then maybe (maybe) taking the girls back to their rooms or cutting them loose. A mama in Body Shop and another in Geckos both described this: Group of guys walks in and starts buying different girls LD's. Sit for 2-3 hours rotating girls. One of the girls, or the mama, asks if they would like to EWR some of the girls."No. Already we have barfine girls from Xxxxx bar tonight. We get them later." That group leaves and another similar group walks in. The mamas tell me the oriental gents have no problem dropping p10k or more as a group in a few hours without barfining anyone (sometimes every drink is a double) , and they will come in several nights in a row. They also tell me the korean guys barfine the girls early, come pick them up later, take the girls out drinking and eating, then most of the guys turn the girl loose, after only 2 hours, no hotel time. Seems silly to me to barfine one girl, go to other bars and buy 6 other girls double LD's, go back and pick up the first girl, take her out drinking in other bars, then cut her loose and go back to my room alone. But, this is their thing.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1221023]If I were a bar owner, I'd even experiment with a barfine auction system. Patrons can submit their bids (and must pay immediately). The highest bidder at 3:00am gets her. The losing bidders get their money back plus a free drink. Of course, this only applies to the girls in highest demand.[/QUOTE]Neat idea. Is there a minimum bid?

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1221116]They also tell me the korean guys barfine the girls early, come pick them up later, take the girls out drinking and eating, then most of the guys turn the girl loose, after only 2 hours, no hotel time. Seems silly to me to barfine one girl, go to other bars and buy 6 other girls double LD's, go back and pick up the first girl, take her out drinking in other bars, then cut her loose and go back to my room alone. But, this is their thing.[/QUOTE]It sounds like typical rich asian guy shit. It was better when these guys couldn't afford to monger. They simply have way too much money to burn and don't know how to use money as a weapon against pussy.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1221282]It sounds like typical rich asian guy shit. It was better when these guys couldn't afford to monger. They simply have way too much money to burn and don't know how to use money as a weapon against pussy.[/QUOTE]Yes. As we've discussed before, each purchased LD tends to drive prices up in various ways. Rich groups of guys (of any persuasion) headed out drinking all night (good for them!) , unfortunately, are often buying many LD's, causing the girls to tend to not want to EWR. This is roughly akin to the movie industry. You might think they make a lot of money from the movie tickets (they do) , but they make more from food sales. The theater-joke in the motion-pic industry is: "Gosh, where can we put up a building where we can sell our own brand of over-priced popcorn (the highest-profit item) and junk-food, get the lawmakers to pass a law that prevents patrons from bringing their own snacks in, so we can make gobs of money? And oh my, almost forgot! We'll build some seats and screens to show movies (that we don't produce) that make us oodles of money? Wouldn't that be the bomb? I know! We'll call it a THEATER!"

Over-priced alcohol is the monger's bane, and the bar-owner and bargirl's dream-come-true.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1221116]Neat idea. Is there a minimum bid?[/QUOTE]I would start the bid at P1500.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1221337]Rich groups of guys (of any persuasion) headed out drinking all night (good for them!) , unfortunately, are often buying many LD's, causing the girls to tend to not want to EWR.[/QUOTE]I consider myself a budget traveler. But if rich guys want to splurge, then more power to them. The super hottest girls do deserve higher compensation.

I think this discussion pretty much resolves the argument over whether girls are on Fields for "nice guys" or "money".

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1221282]It sounds like typical rich asian guy shit. It was better when these guys couldn't afford to monger. They simply have way too much money to burn and don't know how to use money as a weapon against pussy.[/QUOTE]I hope you see the irony in your post.

Historically, White guys can outspend the Pinoys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with white guys.

Now, Korean guys can overspend the white guys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with Korean guys.

It's all about where you are in the pecking order.

Thank you for exposing the elephant in the room FF. I couldn't help chuckling at you succient summarization of the situation. (were there too many s-words in that sentence. Seriously?)

Of course there is the English language which give us native speakers some advantages. But in the end, we have a very dynamic situation which we can't change. Well, that's not entirely true. We can share information and make the best of things. X.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1221349]I would start the bid at P1500.

I consider myself a budget traveler. But if rich guys want to splurge, then more power to them. The super hottest girls do deserve higher compensation.

I think this discussion pretty much resolves the argument over whether girls are on Fields for "nice guys" or "money".

I hope you see the irony in your post.

Historically, White guys can outspend the Pinoys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with white guys.

Now, Korean guys can overspend the white guys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with Korean guys.

It's all about where you are in the pecking order.[/QUOTE]

And it does not take much savvy to look ahead for a short while. There are more and kmore millionaires in China, Korea, and India. Also a desperate shortage of women in China.

So within a few years Asians will be outspending white guys in all of the usual venues. We will be the poor white trash.

Start thinking new opportunities, like Cambodia etc. But I guess they are there too.

Surrounded.

G.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1221349]I would start the bid at P1500.

I consider myself a budget traveler. But if rich guys want to splurge, then more power to them. The super hottest girls do deserve higher compensation.

I think this discussion pretty much resolves the argument over whether girls are on Fields for "nice guys" or "money".

I hope you see the irony in your post.

Historically, White guys can outspend the Pinoys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with white guys.

Now, Korean guys can overspend the white guys. That's why Filipinas are having sex with Korean guys.

It's all about where you are in the pecking order.[/QUOTE]

I think most of the stuff written about them outspending us is actually wrong. What we have here is mostly white guys budget travellers observing Korean 'big spenders'. Most of those guys especially in AC actually work there and you would have seen them on their once or twice a month night out. The few tourists that are there are only for few days rather than weeks like most of the white folks. They are budget too but due to short time in phils they spend more then us on average. Their REAL big spenders don't shop around perimeter or fields, you will find them in Dunk Shot Music Lounge where they try hard to get the attention of the philipina porcelain dolls. What you also don't see and is happening behind scenes are the real high roller white spenders. Look around ABC and LGH next time and have a look at who stays there. I have bar hooped with few VIP ABC guests that drop 100K on drinks, throwing money (but not small bills like the Koreans or the japs) , balls and what else not in less than an hour. I know one guy that is there EVERY WEEKEND that barfines cheery girls ONLY and pays them between 150K and 250K. Just about every girl in AC knows him. He has been doing it for years. You should see his Christmas AC party, I am sure those lucky few that have attended know what I am talking about. People here talk about 3K bar fine for few spotlight dancers in some of the 'big' bars. 3K barfine has been standard bf in Love and Music for years now. The pool bar inside the ABC has had it for years too. Again almost all ABC VIP 95% white folk barfine there. There is lot more that happens but you need to know where to look guys. There is a very high class scene in AC that happens outside the bars. I am talking room service.

As for the Koreans and the Asians and their barfining please note that many of them are NEW to the game and are learning. Last year I had a chat to couple of Chinese guys in MBC that were way overpaying because thats what they were paying in HK and Macao. They just didn't know.

I don't mind them barfining early infect I use to get kicks out of picking up already barfined girls in the past LOL. If you know the mamasan in the bar and the girl is already barfined you can get a good discount if you want real short time (just specify you will bring the girl back in 1 hour rather than the usual 3 or so). Most of the time I would still keep the girl for 3-4 hrs and buy a drink to mamasan next time I see her.

Bottom line is they are here to stay so learn to live with them. Live and let live I say.

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1221477]. Room service.

As for the Koreans and the Asians and their barfining please note that many of them are NEW to the game and are learning. Last year I had a chat to couple of Chinese guys in MBC that were way overpaying because thats what they were paying in HK and Macao. They just didn't know.

Bottom line is they are here to stay so learn to live with them. Live and let live I say.[/QUOTE]What a sensible post. A similar experience in southern China to bar fine a high end Angeles (I. E. Around 100-200 USD) costs 200-300 USD. In Shanghai and Beijing. 3-10 times more. The al cheapo bf, say 1300 peso plus tip 100 will get you a 50 min f* in less than salubrious surroundings.

Enjoy.

All of this discussion about Koreans and other Asians taking over the Angeles City monger scene ignores external factors that will transform the bar scene and the demographics of those seeking flesh there. When taken into consideration these factors indicate that the Asians will replace Westerners not by outspending them but rather as a natural consequence of these external pressures.

It costs more in time and money for Westerners to travel to AC than it does for Asians who are much closer geographically. According to the Wall Street Journal's Market Watch, the average price of air fare for international flights went up 23 percent between 2009 and 2010. Prices are expected to increase as jet fuel continues to get more expensive. Reduced capacity and fewer flights will continue to inflate ticket prices along with added fees.

The increasing cost of travel combined with a troubled Western economy and job market means fewer Westerners will be willing or able to travel for sex. Asians will move in to fill the void. The current meat market model of Angeles bars will also change to suit the habits and appetites of the new patrons as less and less sex starved white clientele show up. The Philippine authorities will continue to serve as a catalyst for this change with increasing raids on the bars.

The Philippines seeks closer military ties with the US as China continues to flex its muscles in the South China Sea. This military aid is tied to the recipient's demonstration of aggressive action against sex trafficking. Angeles City bars make a highly visible and convenient target for the authorities to show their resolve in this respect. Therefore the bars will eventually move away from the current way of doing business and the mongering scene will undergo a transformation to something where sex is no longer the main commodity on sale. The internet will replace the bar as the venue where sexual bargains are made.

All this talk about barfine. I never barfine. I get her phone number and have her come over before or after work. Why make the bar owner rich? Bar fine is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1220941]If she even gets bar fined at all[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1221527]All this talk about barfine. I never barfine. I get her phone number and have her come over before or after work. Why make the bar owner rich? Bar fine is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]To D cup,

I agree with D cup there are many way to get girl without barfine you can meet girl at the Mall, shop, disco and DIA you can also meet girl at internet cafe, you can deal with the girl direct no money upfront and no cut to the bar, it is so easy to just walk up to a girl in PI and ask them to joint you for lunch.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy; 1221482]What a sensible post. A similar experience in southern China to bar fine a high end Angeles (I. E. Around 100-200 USD) costs 200-300 USD. In Shanghai and Beijing. 3-10 times more. The al cheapo bf, say 1300 peso plus tip 100 will get you a 50 min f* in less than salubrious surroundings.

Enjoy.[/QUOTE]To Manonsanboy,

You don't see too many Chinese from Mainland China monger in AC there are not many even in Manila, the Chinese that you see in AC are from oversea and Singapore, there are enough cheap p4p in China for them and the rich Chinese will go to Macau and Thailand to bang the model and the Hongerkonger are boycott PI.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1221477]Bottom line is they are here to stay so learn to live with them. Live and let live I say.[/QUOTE]Excellent, McDon. Fully agreed!

Greetings from Cebu!