FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=TokonawaXoXo;1900779]does she actually does this to most of her clients because she has been in this business for four years and knows how to manipulate guys?[/QUOTE]Just my reports of Evita:

I envy you so much. You have more romantic and GFE experience with her than I have.

(1) May, 2016:1700-800 (100 E): the first time in the past 6 months, less slim now. We chose a cabin in the garden as a battle field. The garden is expected to be open on a full scale in a week or so. Kiss, kiss, kiss from Evita, BBBJ by Evita, her cow-girl on me, my 20-mitute's DATY leading her to big O, unsuccessful missionary, my 15-minute's massage on her, then finally her massage on me were observed in the pre-summer cabin. Must repeat.

(2) Nov. ,2015: the first session in half a year. She had her hair color changed from black to dark blonde and now dark brown in the last six months. In a room, DFK, caressing, 69 (I was surprised to see her put a rubber on for me with her mouth, Japanese style), hasty and dynamic cow-girl, slow missionary, 2 min DATY with her first orgasm, fast missionary without success were in order. I sweated a lot, she opened a window, outside it rained a lot. She reawaken my dick by BBBJ, then rode on me, went up and down so vigorously, nothing happened, she just sweated a lot. We needed a break and were engaged in a spoon for a while. My second DATY continued for more than 15 min, giving her the second intense ecstasy, and our missionary followed gave her the third orgasm. She evaluated our session saying that she was killed five times, three times in fucking and twice in massage (lower back and ass). E100/65 min. Must must repeat.

(3) May, 2015: Rom, 21 yo, long black hair, tanned, pretty, well-shaped be-cup, slim model, 168 cm, 4 months at Sharks. Procedure in a room: light kiss, massaging on her, caressing, DATY, intense cum on her side. She can receive DATY even after she cums, which is an uncommon experience to me. After she cummed, mediocre BBBJ, cow-girl, missionary, BBBJ and massage on her. E100/60 min. Repeat.

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[QUOTE=HessenBub;1901605]I thought I tip is something I give voluntarily AFTER the session. How does she decide whether to kiss you or not? You're negotiating the "tip" beforehand? That's called upsell.

HB.[/QUOTE]

Ah, upsell is an ugly word, "encouraged to" tip is better semantics, lol.

You should check out some American restaurants. They charge me with 18% tip (service charge, they call it) included with the bill along with the food and taxes. Sometimes, I have failed to notice and included another 15% or more on the credit card as my tip, only to regret later for being suckered.

I guess Janine practices this American restaurant school of tipping? LOL.

Still a tip is voluntary. A service charge is not. If she wants extra money for kissing, is it like "I'll kiss you if you give me a tip?" or "I'll kiss you if you give me minimum 50€ tip?" you get what I want to say, I'm sure.

HB.

[QUOTE=Blover34;1901484]Why would? Ask them yourself, you can't argue with the facts. And trust me I have no interest.[/QUOTE]For someone with no interest you seem to write a fair amount about it. Look to yourself before you judge others. You may learn something.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1901480]Bitumen, why do you care about what others do with Janine or Evita or other girls? When I go with a girl, I don t care what she gives to others, except if I hear about AO provided, but I try to find what she is not used to, and I m very surprised most of girls met, are really not used to normal foreplay.[/QUOTE]UMMmm, I care, since this forum is about sharing information about finding girls including their service levels. So there is import in what others do with Evita or Janine. Look at the objectives of this forum.

If you do not care then why don't you go with Granny Turtle Donatalla Versace Silvana which you discuss at length.

I know you do not care since you use the forum like your personal diary writing your unintelligible poesy (sic) poetry.

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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1901723]Ah, upsell is an ugly word, "encouraged to" tip is better semantics, lol.

You should check out some American restaurants. They charge me with 18% tip (service charge, they call it) included with the bill along with the food and taxes. Sometimes, I have failed to notice and included another 15% or more on the credit card as my tip, only to regret later for being suckered.

I guess Janine practices this American restaurant school of tipping? LOL.[/QUOTE]For non Americans, American compulsory tipping is hardly relevant for us.

Upsell is indeed the correct word any time a girl offers additional services for extra money.

Upsell feels ugly for most of us, so we don't like girls that make a habit of it. Very polite offers on first session for me are tolerable but nagging upsell is not.

Of course I am fortunate to avoid much upsell behavior by using regular girls and by girls understanding I will take an hour if I happy with the session.

This means I don't have to pay extra for kissing and the subject rarely comes up.

Makes FKK a lot more blissful to rarely meet upsell and yet upsell is known to be around for many years.

If a girl insists on having detailed discussion about what will occur in the room before my first session with her, I usually decide to pass. I like "go with the flow girls". The girl asks what I want to do, before entering the room, I just say I want to have fun. This usually works out for me, if the girl is capable of it. I don't generally grill her about what services she can provide either.

If girls want to charge 50 extra for kissing or DATY, will it really be worth an extra 50? Doubtful. I would rather spend the 50 another way, another girl, or time extension. Anal is not worth 100 to me. I never take it. It never gets offered either, almost never, very rarely. Cim is the only upsell I meet at all regularly. I disregard attempts to sell 2 girls as that is normally pre session in the lounge, so its an initial sell rather than upsell.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1901480]Go there, not far from Sharks.

Bitumen, why do you care about what others do with Janine or Evita or other girls? When I go with a girl, I don t care what she gives to others, except if I hear about AO provided, but I try to find what she is not used to, and I m very surprised most of girls met, are really not used to normal foreplay.
.[/QUOTE]If a girl has fabulous appeal for me, I will try. If she is not my spec at all, I will not.

However if girl is somewhere in between we can be undecided or girl has not yet reached top priority. In this case, recomendations matter.

If girl is not rated good by anyone at all, we can consider a great session is not that likely. No need to try her. If highly recommended by all it might sway us.

I have not yet been swayed to try Evita. Just she is not my spec. However others will be swayed to try her.

Janine looks good to me. If a good fun session was considered possible it would sway me to consider trying her.

I have been swayed by recommendations to try girls like Pamela of the past and Moira. No regrets there. Both excellent girls and sufficiently appealing to me. Cute noses on both of them. LOL Great performance in the room.

So what others think can matter a lot. Not an individual so much but general opinion has some merit. Sometimes even an individual opinion can be enough, from the right person with known taste preferences.

HB and Syzygies +1.

A tip is totally unnegotiated and given post facto for exceptional service.

I never never go with a girl who tries to get extra for what should be standard service. It shows lack of respect to the customer and herself and is degrading. Don't get me wrong, I have given substantial tips, but only when the girl is a special person for me.

Agreeing to pay extra never leads to better longterm service. It is helpful to know which girls ask for extra so members are aware who to avoid.

I returned to Sharks and appreciated the space and easy seating this time compared to other clubs which seemed cramped in comparision. The line up was much better than my first visits in early June, but I recognised some girls from last time.

I must have got a record number of approaches tonight, maybe 15 or 20, it was a little hectic as I prefer to look around first and approach the girl I'm interesting in.

The imfamous Egyptian Angelina pest pestered me as usual. I told her I met her last time and wasnt interested sorry, to which she replied "well go away, I'm too good for you anyway". If Sharks management have any sense they should get rid of this pest, she is cunning and manipulative and takes business from other sweeter girls by aggressively approaching guys repeatedly. She is no good for the club or its reputation.

I sessioned with Adella petite blonde with glasses on a whim, and it was not bad at all.

Later I sessioned with Luna blonde who seemed to remember me from last time I visited a month ago. She is a friendly girl with good skills and english.

I was going to stay late but my card got cancelled for some reason so no more cash. Guess it was lucky I found out about this before another session. Not sure what happens in such a situation, but probably not good.

You guys are taking this a bit too seriously. I thought I was making a light joke with my "tip" expression, but I guess you did not see the humor in that (I still have not figured out how to use emojis on this chat board, and it is tiresome throwing around a million LOL, when you want to make it clear you are being less than serious)

Yes, obviously I know it is not really a tip, and even she does not probably think it is a "tip" but really an extra, very much like anal or COF etc.

Anyway, that's her prerogative, and it is not for me to say if that's right or wrong. I merely wanted to say she does allow kissing (and DATY).

BTW, girls who only kiss regulars because they have the expectation that it leads to future sales in addition to the current session, or those who kiss only in an hour session, are also upselling to some extent. If you strictly want to be academic, there is no upsell if the girl provides kissing in half HR session. If she limits kissing to one HR, regulars, etc, she is already extracting something more than the standard rate for a service you think should be standard. Just my view.

For me, this is slightly moot because I can DFK only those who feel a bit special to me (a total of 4 girls so far in my travels) so thankfully I can distribute my dollars based more on optics than the promise of kissing (or daty which does not appeal to me in the clubs in general)

I can't read the German. Is it 20 euro off or, 20 euro to get in?

Also, if girls don't show up until later. Are there girls?

[QUOTE=Bitumen;1901751]UMMmm, I care, since this forum is about sharing information about finding girls including their service levels. So there is import in what others do with Evita or Janine. Look at the objectives of this forum.

If you do not care then why don't you go with Granny Turtle Donatalla Versace Silvana which you discuss at length.

I know you do not care since you use the forum like your personal diary writing your unintelligible poesy (sic) poetry.[/QUOTE]I wanted to mean, I go with Megan because I like to go with Megan, but I don t care about what she does in room with others, I don t ask her about. I just want to get with her, what I like. I agree about sharing information, but about what we experience and are sure to know, so many prefer to write about others without knowing. The only time I went to a girl following an advice, was on 3 May 2015 , with Agnes. Pol, thanks to Syzy and it was a very good advice. Most often, my poor lonely devil eyes choose and I don t need advice.

About Sylvana, I joke a lot with many nicknames, but I respect a lot her strength, stamina and courage, she may be the only human to be able to come with me in the Hell of Zoncolan, not very far on North to Venezia, where whole body and head burn from pain. See You Zoncolan in August and if I win, my present will be Wellcum and Andiamo.

[QUOTE=Bubbster;1901875]I can't read the German. Is it 20 euro off or, 20 euro to get in?

Also, if girls don't show up until later. Are there girls?[/QUOTE]On Sunday, 45 before 2 pm. Girls arrive when they wake up, Sharks close at 5 am on Saturday night. Waiting for them, you can run in the garden, some girls start early.