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[QUOTE=NOZ2215;1582715]I really dislike going back and forth over price, our conversation regarding price lasted less than 1 min.

who cares, I pay HK $3000 for a nice dinner and a good bottle of wine so what's the big deal

she 22 and is very very new, people grow up quickly in this line of business and I'm sure if she continues and I meet her in a year so, I'd find a very different attitude.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I have tipped more than that.

I have actually been in your position, several times.

It is a very personal and personalized service business.

Also, sometimes, out of the blue, a lady will come up and ask if I remember so and so. And if I would like to know how she is doing. That why it is sometimes advantageous / disadvantageous to know members of a hunting pack.

The funny thing is that Asia/the world is quite small. I have had only 1 degree of separation from people I met while the ladies show off their photo collection and brag about how nice a guy is.

[QUOTE=Boarer;1582778]FWIW, I have tipped more than that.

I have actually been in your position, several times.

It is a very personal and personalized service business.

Also, sometimes, out of the blue, a lady will come up and ask if I remember so and so. And if I would like to know how she is doing. That why it is sometimes advantageous / disadvantageous to know members of a hunting pack.

The funny thing is that Asia/the world is quite small. I have had only 1 degree of separation from people I met while the ladies show off their photo collection and brag about how nice a guy is.[/QUOTE]Boarer,

Thanks for the replies, I think you can sort of understand where I coming from, while I saw her passport, it was to show me when she'd been to HK etc, I didn't take a note of the number or such detail. I know where she stayed as she pointed it out to me, a couple of hundred metres from NEPIII there is an Indian Restaurant on the corner, many girls stay there, 4 to a room for HK $100 each a night.

Not trying to Stalk her, if I was able contacted her and she wasn't interested, end of story, I use WhatsApp, Viber and WeChat because I'm in China several times a year.

Maybe my next trip to HK I'll PM you and we can exchange war stories over a few cold one's.

Cheers

[QUOTE=NOZ2215;1582810]Boarer,

Thanks for the replies, I think you can sort of understand where I coming from, while I saw her passport, it was to show me when she'd been to HK etc, I didn't take a note of the number or such detail. I know where she stayed as she pointed it out to me, a couple of hundred metres from NEPIII there is an Indian Restaurant on the corner, many girls stay there, 4 to a room for HK $100 each a night.

Not trying to Stalk her, if I was able contacted her and she wasn't interested, end of story, I use WhatsApp, Viber and WeChat because I'm in China several times a year.

Maybe my next trip to HK I'll PM you and we can exchange war stories over a few cold one's.

Cheers[/QUOTE]I am not sure if this was established, but if she was carrying her passport and living in that boarding house, she is probably a tourist. Filipinos usually come for 14 days. Sometimes they can extend by exiting to China or Macao. While they used to be able to do extensions over and over, now they usually can only do it once or twice. So depending on when you met her she may have gone by now. And if a Filipina tourist is in the Wanchai bars there is a 90% probability she has come to HK to make money, though occasionally you meet one there for dancing and fun.

There is quite a good network of sharing information in their community. The prices they charge is what the market will bear. They have only 14 days, or 28 days to make their money, then go home. Only the most amazing hostess can make enough money on drinks alone. Unless you are truly ugly almost all will go with you for a reasonable offer. The going prices for Filipina tourists are HKD500-1500 short time, HKD1,000-3,000 long time. Locals get the lower rates. HKD500-1,500 short or long. Tourists, business men pay higher. And it is true capitalism, what the market will bear. Girls will almost always high ball in the hope that the shy guy will just accept, and many do accept. But they only have 14 days and don't want to lose a paying customer; most will accept HKD1,500 regardless. Some will decline HKD1,000.

The highest I have heard a punter pay is HKD7,000. They were a group of bankers visiting HK. "She was stunning, you would not belive, and amazing fuck, totally worth it". Right. Great for the girl. But even she I am sure had little respect for John. And I am quite confident the next guy got her for HKD2,000, and just as great a fuck.

Morals of the story:

- You don't get what you pay for. Price and quality are hardly correlated. Feel free to pay what you are comfortable paying. Just pick the girl with the look you like and the personality that pleases, then negotiate the deal you like. But remember, personality always wins in the end. Even in short time if she is not pleasing, no matter how beautiful she will be disappointing.

- Your paying over the odds does not really impact what she is going to charge the next guy. One silly banker is not going to move the market. Moreover, their prices for locals is going to stay much less. And personally, I doubt silly punters paying too much impacts the price for the next guy at all. It will always be supply and demand, big picture, and thanks to corruption there is lots of supply.

- if you like a girl, get her contact details. Ideally Whatapp, Viber, WeChat, Skype, not just a local number, which will change. Trying to find them a second time, especially after a few weeks, is difficult. And most love repeat customers, friends, possible BFs, maybe future husbands. It does happen, a lot. In fact, repeat customers often get a much lower price, even free if she thinks you have potential.

[QUOTE=BrownRail;1583283]I am not sure if this was established, but if she was carrying her passport and living in that boarding house, she is probably a tourist. Filipinos usually come for 14 days. Sometimes they can extend by exiting to China or Macao. While they used to be able to do extensions over and over, now they usually can only do it once or twice. So depending on when you met her she may have gone by now. And if a Filipina tourist is in the Wanchai bars there is a 90% probability she has come to HK to make money, though occasionally you meet one there for dancing and fun.

There is quite a good network of sharing information in their community. The prices they charge is what the market will bear. They have only 14 days, or 28 days to make their money, then go home. Only the most amazing hostess can make enough money on drinks alone. Unless you are truly ugly almost all will go with you for a reasonable offer. The going prices for Filipina tourists are HKD500-1500 short time, HKD1,000-3,000 long time. Locals get the lower rates. HKD500-1,500 short or long. Tourists, business men pay higher. And it is true capitalism, what the market will bear. Girls will almost always high ball in the hope that the shy guy will just accept, and many do accept...[/QUOTE]BrownRail,

You're 100% correct, her first visit to HK (late Mar) she had a 14 day visa, day 12 she went to Macau for 2 nights and then returned for another 14 days, then back home, she returned to HK in (late April) with another 14 day visa and again on day 12 went to Shenzhen for 1 night and returned with a new 14 day visa, I can only guess that she returned home when it expired.

She told me all this all in general conversation, also many things about her private life which is not important to write here but as previously stated I have no reason to doubt anything she said. She can make between HK $1000 HK $2000 per night from drinks (kick backs from NEPIII) and she will only go with customers for high price (whether that is true who cares) I know situations change very quickly and if she choose to stay in this game, who knows what her thinking will be in a few months. She did tell me of one regular customer who calls her and she goes to his hotel, she said he pays her big money (how much is big money I didn't ask. If someone asked how much I earned I'd tell them to mind their own business) she told me he starts trying control her so she stopped going to his hotel.

Up-Date on getting in contact with her, my friend has called into NEPIII a few times and several Girls and staff there say they all know of her, they all believe she has returned home but nothing firm, however one girl say's she can get in contact with her through a Facebook connection, similar friends, they are going to meet on Sunday as my friend said I think he will get more information in a relaxed place than been a detective in NEPIII, if its a dead end I might leave it there, wait until I'm in HK again and call into NEPIII on the chance she's back, or another punter reads my posts and PM's me her information.

Drink commissions 1000-2000 hr a night. Of course if you do your sums. The ladies get around 50 to 60 on a Margerita type drink and 80 to 90 on a Tango sype drink. So to make 1000 you need to have 15 -20 Marguerita's a night or around 10 Tango type drinks. I know the smart ladies tip the drinks out when the guys aren't looking. This is why you often see staff mopping the floor. But even taking into account the previous that's some serious drinking and even more if you make 2000 in drinks. And at bars like Nep 3 with a strong mamasan lots of the commission go back to the mamasan, especially Filipina's who are first or second time in Hong Kong. I've had acquantainces tell me they made 20,000 a day when the Navy was in town. That's right 20,000 - Take that as you will.

[QUOTE=Chantik;1583881]Drink commissions 1000-2000 hr a night. Of course if you do your sums. The ladies get around 50 to 60 on a Margerita type drink and 80 to 90 on a Tango sype drink. So to make 1000 you need to have 15 -20 Marguerita's a night or around 10 Tango type drinks. I know the smart ladies tip the drinks out when the guys aren't looking. This is why you often see staff mopping the floor. But even taking into account the previous that's some serious drinking and even more if you make 2000 in drinks. And at bars like Nep 3 with a strong mamasan lots of the commission go back to the mamasan, especially Filipina's who are first or second time in Hong Kong. I've had acquantainces tell me they made 20,000 a day when the Navy was in town. That's right 20,000 - Take that as you will.[/QUOTE]Chantik,

As I have said in an earlier post that my knowledge of they way things work in HK is far below yours, the information I was told (Yes, Pillow talk) was the girls at NEPIII mainly drink Tequila shots, price $HK150 and the girl gets a kick back of HK $100, these drinks are pre-poured and sit on the shelf behind the bar, they are heavy diluted, so its not uncommon for a good looking and sweet talking girl to have more than 10 shots / night.

[QUOTE=NOZ2215;1584296]Chantik,

As I have said in an earlier post that my knowledge of they way things work in HK is far below yours, the information I was told (Yes, Pillow talk) was the girls at NEPIII mainly drink Tequila shots, price $HK150 and the girl gets a kick back of HK $100, these drinks are pre-poured and sit on the shelf behind the bar, they are heavy diluted, so its not uncommon for a good looking and sweet talking girl to have more than 10 shots / night.[/QUOTE]I hope the ladies have booked themselves in for our liver transplant. Having 10+ drinks per night means you are on your way.

OMG! Went to NIII on Friday and every other girl was named Ivy or Honey!

Just kidding. LOL.

[QUOTE=NOZ2215;1583571]my friend has called into NEPIII[/QUOTE]Looks like you have all your bases covered and can only hope for the best.

[QUOTE=Chantik;1583881]That's right 20,000 - Take that as you will.[/QUOTE]Wow! I love that type of math where 1+1=11!

FWIW, my 2 fens. Based on my observations at several bars, very very very few girls can hit 10 drinks even on a busy night with a stranger. Those I saw who hit a lot of drinks were in a relationship with a punter (and his wallet) and need to start very early. Some of the ladies who know me well actually discourage me from buying them ladies drink and would rather take a small cash donation.

I heard of some punters pressuring ladies to refund drink monies if a lady refuses to go with them. Go figure.

Firstly thank you to Boarer / Chantik / Brownrail & Jackthelad2 for contributing to my first posts, while my sole intention was only to get in contact with Miss I, I also started the debate about haw much girls can earn through drinks, I think we are all correct from what we've been told or know first hand.

Anyway I would like to report I've been successful in contacting Miss I, My friend actually did all the work by visiting NEPIII several times, got a sympatric who was helpful in contacting her network and bingo, This girl is also a very sweet girl who I've also spoken too, once it was established that I wasn't chasing Ivy for the wrong reasons it seems the jungle drums started beating and all the inform I required was available.

Now for Miss I, I've been able to speak with her for several hours over the last 2 days, her intention was not to return to HK, (yes we've all heard that from girls before) she has enough money to start a little business venture and that is what she is concentrating on, I believe her when she said she doesn't like what she did and feels shame.

I'll keep on talking with her over the next few weeks and see if the chemistry is there. I know in several ways I'm breaking every rule in the book by trying to form some type of genuine relationship with this girl, but life works in funny ways.

Thanks again to everyone for coming on this ride with me, cheers and my life be good to all.

Is someone knows websites where to find compensated dates, from young and naughty girls, like university students or office ladies? Usually, compensated dates are fof Chinese people, but there maybe a couple of chicks targeting Western guys?

Go to [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] - And there are variations of this site. Though this can be more high maintenance.

In regards to hotel walk-in gals, as far as I know, most will not agree to go to your hotel room during the day but if they do, it would be at triple the price listed on their DB plus round trip taxi fare. Similar terms for overnight which usually starts only after midnight. (Note, meaning that she'd been hard at work all day already, and you can figure out how tired she must already be by then!

I would discourage guys here from arranging for such arrangement as logic tells us that the girls who would agree to such would usually be the less desirable ones. Because otherwise why wud she want to do something which is so time and energy consuming.

I would also suggest strongly that you should at least first try her at her hotel at the regular price and if there is the right chemistry, to only then arrange for her to come over to your place. Also, please note that most of the girls' pictures on the DB are heavily photoshopped, plus bait and switch is a common tactic. Using good looking girls as bait (because they're usually not available / already has a booking) and substituting another less attractive girl to take up assignments.

Most girls listed on xxxwebsite. Both hotel walk-in as well as 141 walk-ups, caters to the local populace, and thus things are set up to accommodate local guys who do not prefer to have the girls come over / would rather do it in her premises.

This being so, requests for the girl to come over are not preferred by the operators / girls. And thus the high premium levied for such.

Just IMHO.

SEAJ

[QUOTE=NOZ2215;1585117]I'll keep on talking with her over the next few weeks and see if the chemistry is there. I know in several ways I'm breaking every rule in the book by trying to form some type of genuine relationship with this girl, but life works in funny ways.

Thanks again to everyone for coming on this ride with me, cheers and my life be good to all.[/QUOTE]Mate, good to hear that you were successful and that you posted an update. Thumbs up.

FWIW, airfare between HK and Philippines are cheap. Depending of the nearest airport to her, it is possible to do a day trip. (Think you mentioned Makati) In either case, simplest way is for you to make the trip and have her come to you at a nearby hotel. Easier for her to make a story about staying with a girlfriend. More complicated and more financially risky if you try to have her meet you in HK (assuming you are going to pay for the trip) Quite possible to talk the ladies into making those trips.

FWIW, happened to actually pass a wedding party between a western dude and a filipina woman a couple months back. (Not sure about your ethnicity and country of origin) So it does happen. Question is if it ends happily.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=HkMarquis;1585135]Is someone knows websites where to find compensated dates, from young and naughty girls, like university students or office ladies? Usually, compensated dates are fof Chinese people, but there maybe a couple of chicks targeting Western guys?[/QUOTE]Have you tried this:

[URL]https://www.whatsyourprice.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Stykler;1585615]Have you tried this:

[URL]https://www.whatsyourprice.com[/URL][/QUOTE]I haven't tried, but I will have a look. I will tell you what I got from there!