Tokyo

[QUOTE=Really Now;1319980]Dear ToBeDetermined, In my years of patronizing both NYNY and CHAMPS (a few steps around the corner) I would strongly advise you to not expect to negotiate FS. Once you go there, you'll quickly see that the atmosphere screams "No FS"; from the small windows in the doors to the demeanor of all older gals who work there, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Really Now, thanks a bunch for your nice advice. I guess the price had already told the whole story while also considering the age of the gals, like you and taratata mentioned.

I have been to Yoshiwara before where FS is just part of the routine, or most of the time one could easily end up with FS without explicitly asking. Guess NYNY / CHAMPS are very different in purpose. I think I will give try recently, just because of curiosity.

One thing though, I read some japanese BBS reviewing these two places. What they complained the most about was, AGE. All the JAP dudes were saying that the gals were advertised as early 40s while when they asked in the shop it ended up like late 40s / early 50s; and after all, they turned nuts while they recognized that they had just hooked up with an early 60er, haha, that made me LMAO.

Anyway, I will post back after I did my try. Thank a lot for your and taratata's great info.

[QUOTE=Tengu;1319068]Just finished getting a rather decent massage and FS (covered) for 1 mon yen for 40 minutes of service. No signage that I could see but it's pretty easy to find. Leave Gotanda station from the east exit, cross over to the giant Big Echo bldg. Go left around said building and take a right at the Jonathan's. Like I said there's no sign but there's usually? (actually the second one I visited this plac) a female tout hanging out on the street. Right across from a few male touts for, I'm guessing Japanese only places since they made no effort to get me. She takes you downstairs right between these guys and you come out 40 minutes later a much happier fellow. Wonder if it burns those guys to see her ferrying customers in and out right between them. I had "Yuki" from Thailand, big fake rack, but nice face and good technique, both massage and otherwise. Not a place to go if you want Japanese girls but for my money quite a good deal.[/QUOTE]Tengu, Just wonder how much you paid for a session and do you have the name of the shop, please?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Really Now;1319980]Dear ToBeDetermined, In my years of patronizing both NYNY and CHAMPS (a few steps around the corner) I would strongly advise you to not expect to negotiate FS. Once you go there, you'll quickly see that the atmosphere screams "No FS"; from the small windows in the doors to the demeanor of all older gals who work there, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Anyone tried Ebisu New York? Rarely mentioned on here, don't know if it is related or just a coincidental name. Right next to the station in the opposite direction to Daikanyama.

[QUOTE=Really Now;1319980]Dear ToBeDetermined, In my years of patronizing both NYNY and CHAMPS (a few steps around the corner) I would strongly advise you to not expect to negotiate FS. Once you go there, you'll quickly see that the atmosphere screams "No FS"; from the small windows in the doors to the demeanor of all older gals who work there, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Agreed with the above. I have never tried to talk about FS with ths ladies there. I have heard that it could compromise the fun for us so no go there. I like to play by the rules to avoid trouble.

[QUOTE=ToBeDetermined;1319697]Taratata, thanks for the nice info and guide. Just one question, have you ever talked through a FS in any of your sessions? Do you recommend trying that or not?[/QUOTE]Or you will 1) be thrown out, and 2) spoil it for any other gaijins.

Rules in Japan are not supposed to be broken. This is not an hypocritical society where one says one things and does another. If you are, as in NYNY, shown an english worded statement saying no FS, it means what it says.

Another word of caution: in these places, you are most likely to get a 40-50 housewife, with no particlualr physical attractive features. You should get a good service though, but, again, be happy with whatever you get, and if you are disappointed, don't show it, cut your losses, and enjoy whatever you are given.

This is more of an opinion rather than a report. I just saw the price for the Momo cafe girl. Holy moly! I know its Tokyo but paying that much you could get on a Jetstar flight and head to Manila. 4 hours later after getting into town you could be screwing a girl and have paid the hotel bill for the weekend fur that money!

Similarly, you could probably have two goes with a Chinese or Korean bird in Japan for that price. It is just amazing to have to pay that much! I never will again here. Not that much! Would rather go abroad.

[QUOTE=Taratata;1320030]Agreed with the above. I have never tried to talk about FS with ths ladies there. I have heard that it could compromise the fun for us so no go there. I like to play by the rules to avoid trouble.[/QUOTE]Sure I will take your words and obey the rules. Thanks for reply.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1320041]Or you will 1) be thrown out, and 2) spoil it for any other gaijins.

Rules in Japan are not supposed to be broken. This is not an hypocritical society where one says one things and does another. If you are, as in NYNY, shown an english worded statement saying no FS, it means what it says.

Another word of caution: in these places, you are most likely to get a 40-50 housewife, with no particlualr physical attractive features. You should get a good service though, but, again, be happy with whatever you get, and if you are disappointed, don't show it, cut your losses, and enjoy whatever you are given.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advices, screwing things up is for sure not my desire so I will behave if I want a try later.

[QUOTE=Hatguy; 1320066]This is more of an opinion rather than a report. I just saw the price for the Momo cafe girl. Holy moly! I know its Tokyo but paying that much you could get on a Jetstar flight and head to Manila. 4 hours later after getting into town you could be screwing a girl and have paid the hotel bill for the weekend fur that money!

Similarly, you could probably have two goes with a Chinese or Korean bird in Japan for that price. It is just amazing to have to pay that much! I never will again here. Not that much! Would rather go abroad.[/QUOTE]You can start a good debate on this subject. But I agree with you, from performance per cost perspective, you are right.

[QUOTE=ToBeDetermined;1320086]Thanks for the advices, screwing things up is for sure not my desire so I will behave if I want a try later.[/QUOTE]Fellas, don't get me wrong. I MEAN to try the service, not to try to ask for an FS. Sorry if I made confusion.

[QUOTE=LoveShibuyaGirls; 1319566]Dear Xslikx.

Would you please post a link to one of these Japanese boards?

The only Japanese boards I can seem to find are the bbs pink boards, but those boards seem like just a bunch of random disconnected comments.[/QUOTE]Yes, those are the boards I'm referring to. There are also the boards that just deal with the Kandeli scene. In both cases, you need to be able to read Japanese fairly well. In the first case, you need to scan through a lot of BS to find any useful info, and in the second you need to be able to tell what post are just shilling for the shop or girl in question.

[QUOTE=Takadondon;1319646]I have no idea how non Japanese people well do. But its probably worth a shot.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detailed review of Momo Cafe, but if you're Japanese, or can pass for Japanese, it would help if you make that really clear in your report.

As I've mentioned before, there are basically four categories of gaijin, in terms of getting service in the pink industry.

1. Non-asians who cannot speak Japanese, or speak speak only broken Japanese and can't understand much.

2. East asians who cannot speak Japanese, or speak speak only broken Japanese and can't understand much.

3. Non-asians who speak Japanese well and understand the culture.

4. East asians who speak Japanese fluently and can almost pass for Japanese.

Service options and treatment generally increase from 1-4, with 2 and 3 sometimes interchanged based on the situation.

[QUOTE=Xslikx; 1320160]Thanks for the detailed review of Momo Cafe, but if you're Japanese, or can pass for Japanese, it would help if you make that really clear in your report.

As I've mentioned before, there are basically four categories of gaijin, in terms of getting service in the pink industry.

1. Non-asians who cannot speak Japanese, or speak speak only broken Japanese and can't understand much.

2. East asians who cannot speak Japanese, or speak speak only broken Japanese and can't understand much.

3. Non-asians who speak Japanese well and understand the culture.

4. East asians who speak Japanese fluently and can almost pass for Japanese.

Service options and treatment generally increase from 1-4, with 2 and 3 sometimes interchanged based on the situation.[/QUOTE]Xslikx, you are so cool. This is a very good summary! Haha.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1320041]Rules in Japan are not supposed to be broken. This is not an hypocritical society where one says one things and does another. If you are, as in NYNY, shown an english worded statement saying no FS, it means what it says.

Another word of caution: in these places, you are most likely to get a 40-50 housewife.[/QUOTE]I wasn't sure if the English rules they show you at NYNY saying no FS that they get you to agree to were just for appearances' sake or to disclaim their liability, since many things in other parts of Asia are just for appearances' sake and everything is negotiable. Clearly, the little round windows in the doors would make it hard to do FS without getting caught.

Too bad, though. There is one of these 40 to 50-year-old housewife types at NYNY that really turns me on, and I wanted to beg her to let me stick it in. Has anyone ever gotten a phone number from these ladies?

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man; 1320206]I wasn't sure if the English rules they show you at NYNY saying no FS that they get you to agree to were just for appearances' sake or to disclaim their liability, since many things in other parts of Asia are just for appearances' sake and everything is negotiable. Clearly, the little round windows in the doors would make it hard to do FS without getting caught.

Too bad, though. There is one of these 40 to 50-year-old housewife types at NYNY that really turns me on, and I wanted to beg her to let me stick it in. Has anyone ever gotten a phone number from these ladies?[/QUOTE]Some maturer lady can easily turn me on; that is why I asked in my post. However, the window thing makes things quite clear already, sigh. With an obvious risk of being caught, no Japanese will break the rules.

As for your question, I think getting a number is nearly impossible. Or at least your Japanese must be very efficient to make this happen.