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I've been doing a bit of reading on the forums and just booked my ticket for August 14th - 18th. Was seeing if anyone was interested in meeting up?
I'm 30, have been working on building a FB friends list, speak a tiny bit of Spanish, like to smoke and drink, but enjoy meeting people from all ages and backgrounds. Send me a direct message if interested!
And I will report back after my trip with some useful information hopefully.
[QUOTE=EagleRoamer;2837636]What do you mean by "walk around and pick one" do you mean the girls that are just standing around, maybe against a wall or by a tree or statue? And if I do pick one of those girls will they go to my hotel or must I go to their chosen hourly hotels?[/QUOTE]If you go to a known red light district, you will see many scantily clad women. 99.9% of them will have sex with you for money. How much, what you get, and your overall experience will vary greatly and is all up for negotiation. If you approach one, she may have a preferred hotel, you can choose your own short time hotel, or if you're willing to take on the risk, you can take them back to your hotel. Doing that with someone you met from El Centro is stupid, don't take them back to your hotel. If they don't want to go to the hotel of your choice or the one they're directly in front of, know that the chances that you're going to have problems goes up a lot. Doing this is risky. People have gotten robbed, beaten up, and killed doing this. It probably won't happen, but know that it's not a low risk activity like a casa.
[QUOTE=EagleRoamer;2837636]Also, after viewing some of the you tube videos, I see a lot of girls standing in or around doorways. Are these safe to visit, are these referred to as "casas" OR are casas referred to as apartments / condos, where you must make appointments?[/QUOTE]Casas refer to the locations scattered across the city where there is a lineup of women working. You go in, pay a small viewing fee, and all the women dressed in lingerie will quickly say Hi with their name (and number). If you see someone that interests you, you pay the house the posted rate and have at it in a room on site. The viewing fee used to be only necessary if you didn't choose someone or if you didn't buy a drink -- I think more recently it's become mandatory. It's in the neighborhood of 5 k pesos. This is generally a lot safer than picking up a street walker. You can still have your belongings stolen, but that's rare and this is a pretty low risk activity.
Read through [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4002-Medellin-Map-and-List]maps and lists[/URL] to find a very nice map of casas, locations of street walkers, and other points of interest.
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Casas refer to the locations scattered across the city where there is a lineup of women working. You go in, pay a small viewing fee, and all the women dressed in lingerie will quickly say Hi with their name (and number). If you see someone that interests you, you pay the house the posted rate and have at it in a room on site. The viewing fee used to be only necessary if you didn't choose someone or if you didn't buy a drink -- I think more recently it's become mandatory. It's in the neighborhood of 5 k pesos. This is generally a lot safer than picking up a street walker. You can still have your belongings stolen, but that's rare and this is a pretty low risk activity.
Read through [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4002-Medellin-Map-and-List]maps and lists[/URL] to find a very nice map of casas, locations of street walkers, and other points of interest.[/QUOTE]Wow! The last time I went to New Life they only charged you a viewing fee if you didn't pick a girl from a line up. Can anyone confirm that all casas in Medellíand are doing this or which ones? More upcharging.
[QUOTE=L00PY;2837672]If you go to a known red light district, you will see many scantily clad women. 99.9% of them will have sex with you for money. How much, what you get, and your overall experience will vary greatly and is all up for negotiation. If you approach one, she may have a preferred hotel, you can choose your own short time hotel, or if you're willing to take on the risk, you can take them back to your hotel. Doing that with someone you met from El Centro is stupid, don't take them back to your hotel. If they don't want to go to the hotel of your choice or the one they're directly in front of, know that the chances that you're going to have problems goes up a lot. Doing this is risky. People have gotten robbed, beaten up, and killed doing this. It probably won't happen, but know that it's not a low risk activity like a casa.
Casas refer to the locations scattered across the city where there is a lineup of women working. You go in, pay a small viewing fee, and all the women dressed in lingerie will quickly say Hi with their name (and number). If you see someone that interests you, you pay the house the posted rate and have at it in a room on site. The viewing fee used to be only necessary if you didn't choose someone or if you didn't buy a drink -- I think more recently it's become mandatory. It's in the neighborhood of 5 k pesos. This is generally a lot safer than picking up a street walker..[/QUOTE]Thank you, very helpful!
I can't confirm or deny what New Life does. As for the others (Aiffe, Amigas Sexxy, Aventura, Zandaly), no they do not charge locals or regular known customers a viewing fee. They do use the viewing fee to control and discourage large groups of Lookie Lou tourists from clogging the reception areas and tiring the girls with lineups that don't make them or the casa any money. So, to avoid a viewing fee you can buy a drink or fuck a girl.
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2837718]Wow! The last time I went to New Life they only charged you a viewing fee if you didn't pick a girl from a line up. Can anyone confirm that all casas in Medelland are doing this or which ones? More upcharging.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kryzewrs;2837644]I've been doing a bit of reading on the forums and just booked my ticket for August 14th - 18th. Was seeing if anyone was interested in meeting up?
I'm 30, have been working on building a FB friends list, speak a tiny bit of Spanish, like to smoke and drink, but enjoy meeting people from all ages and backgrounds. Send me a direct message if interested!
And I will report back after my trip with some useful information hopefully.[/QUOTE]I'll be in El centro if you want to meet up.
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2837718]Wow! The last time I went to New Life they only charged you a viewing fee if you didn't pick a girl from a line up. Can anyone confirm that all casas in Medelland are doing this or which ones? More upcharging.[/QUOTE]If I'm there, I'll confirm. 99% chance I'll be in town this week. I think I remembered reading about the change in passing a while back. I could be very wrong (god knows I've been wrong before).
[QUOTE=L00PY;2837914]If I'm there, I'll confirm. 99% chance I'll be in town this week. I think I remembered reading about the change in passing a while back. I could be very wrong (god knows I've been wrong before).[/QUOTE]No viewing fee when I was there, although I always took a chica. The half hour rate is up a bit from what it was pre-covid, seems like it is around 60 mil now.
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2837396]I don't know about Miami, but in Fort Lauderdale and Orlando the MPC and Global Entry lines are one and the same, so you just walk following the MPC / GE signs.[/QUOTE]I've never seen any sign or anything mentioning mobile pass control in fll or miami, definitely not in fll! What am I missing, hmm I've been looking, last week I filled out MPC and still stuck in line,.
Looking for an apartment on a higher floor with nice views of Medellin mountains. Must have a reception in front. And very guest friendly. In Laureles but can consider Poblado as well as cost is below hundred bucks a night.
Basically oomething along the lines of San Peter minus the terrible noise. Found few but they are not in high rise buildings. I am not comfortable staying in someone's house or in one corner of it.
Do you know any airbnb in Laureles or Poblado that fits the bill? (Away from LA 70 of course).
Hey guys I need some guidance.
We went to cartagena couple years ago and fell in love with that place. Unfortunately can't go back as an option but have the opportunity to go to medellin. I've been slowly following all the threads but is medellin better than cartagena?
One of the reasons I loved cartagena so much was the club. Being able to go to dolce then just chill and pick out any girls was amazing. It seems as reading these reviews that medellin is not really like that. I'm not really a fan of the street pick up aspect of everything I rather be in the club (maybe its just cultural) but does medellin have any of that. Everything seems to be outside lleras park.
I also read that medellins environmennt makes it difficult to bring girls back to the airbnb compared to cartagena because houses are usally further away from the park?
Anyways were deciding between medellin, panam city / Costa Rica / mexico city but were heavily leaning on medellin. The outdoor thing just doesn't jive well with us.
Woould love your 2 cents.
[QUOTE=L00PY;2837213]It's been a while but I'd say Parque LLeras averages a 6 and Centro averages a 4. Your chances of find a 9 in Lleras is about as good as finding a 7 in Centro. One upside to Centro is that there are a fair number of bars and casas in the vicinity. If you want to get a look without going just peek at the numerous Youtube videos out there for Centro Medellin. They're of course showing the best of what they've shot but it'll give a sampling.[/QUOTE]Damn were deciding a trip otu to medellin after being in cartagena. In your opinion the lleras park girls are 6-7/10 at best? Wthhh this would be a huge change of plans for us then.
[QUOTE=DonMoscow;2835873]I am glad that you find my report helpful. I am enjoying this trip so far, thanks to the intel from this forum. I won't share the link to my current Airbnb publicly but I am open to send privately to those who ask. I also would like to rant on something. Don't get me wrong, this forum is great, but limiting features for free users is so 2000's. I see a bunch of ads so I am generating income for the forum owner already. Plus we share so much info which drives more traffic. Furthermore, this forum is unencrypted http, so it's really stuck in the 2000's. The Spanish forum uses a much newer forum template and does not restrict sending PMs, viewing photos and is encrypted. Not to mention the telegram group which is free for all.
Either way, I am in beautiful Jardin right now with my beautiful paisa chica. The trip to Jardin was scary, I will share that in my next report. Last night was wonderful, I popped her anal cherry. It is going super well right now with Melissa. We might go exclusive for the reminder of my trip. We shall see.[/QUOTE]It says I can't private message you. Can you send me that air bnb reccomendation?
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837917]No viewing fee when I was there, although I always took a chica. The half hour rate is up a bit from what it was pre-covid, seems like it is around 60 mil now.[/QUOTE]Up from 55 K, not a drastic increase but still a good rate IMO.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2837919]Looking for an apartment on a higher floor with nice views of Medellin mountains. Must have a reception in front. And very guest friendly. In Laureles but can consider Poblado as well as cost is below hundred bucks a night.
Basically oomething along the lines of San Peter minus the terrible noise. Found few but they are not in high rise buildings. I am not comfortable staying in someone's house or in one corner of it.
Do you know any airbnb in Laureles or Poblado that fits the bill? (Away from LA 70 of course).[/QUOTE]Energy Living apartment complex, has a rooftop pool too.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2837919]Looking for an apartment on a higher floor with nice views of Medellin mountains. Must have a reception in front. And very guest friendly. In Laureles but can consider Poblado as well as cost is below hundred bucks a night.
Basically oomething along the lines of San Peter minus the terrible noise. Found few but they are not in high rise buildings. I am not comfortable staying in someone's house or in one corner of it.
Do you know any airbnb in Laureles or Poblado that fits the bill? (Away from LA 70 of course).[/QUOTE]Then get a room in San Peter that faces away from LA 70. Each floor in that building has the same design. 3 units on each floor. 2 face LA 70. 1 unit faces the other side. I was told it isn't as noisy as the other 2 rooms. But it is slightly more expensive.
[QUOTE=OldSchool318;2837195]It just doesn't seem that any women ever would like her brown eye serviced for sexual pleasure. [/QUOTE]Had a Chinese girlfriend when I lived in Singapore who preferred anal. She was seriously submissive, got off on being tied up, spanked, and buttfucked into next week. I further introduced her to ass-to-mouth. I just made her go brush her teeth after she sucked all the ass off my Johnson before I would kiss her again.
[QUOTE=Ebauche;2838093]Had a Chinese girlfriend when I lived in Singapore who preferred anal. She was seriously submissive, got off on being tied up, spanked, and buttfucked into next week. I further introduced her to ass-to-mouth. I just made her go brush her teeth after she sucked all the ass off my Johnson before I would kiss her again.[/QUOTE]I know one chica that is a pro that cums from anal more than she does from vaginal.
Generally anal is a thing that submissive girls seem to especially enjoy. Just did anal for the first time with the nonpro I'm shacked up with and she was up for ass-to-mouth and the whole nine yards. But she's very submissive and she told me she likes it when I think of perverse and creative things for her to do. The funny thing is that you'd never know if I sent you her profile or the profile of another seriously freaky semipro I met here. Both look super normal and very much good girls. One of them doesn't have any tattoos and dresses conservatively in her profile. The girl I'm currently shacked up with is a 21-year-old that has glasses and a super innocent look. Girls that like anal are definitely out there.
[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2838046]Energy Living apartment complex, has a rooftop pool too.[/QUOTE]The rooms are over $100 a night though, so I think he's looking for something cheaper.
[QUOTE=Ebauche;2838093]Had a Chinese girlfriend when I lived in Singapore who preferred anal. She was seriously submissive, got off on being tied up, spanked, and buttfucked into next week. I further introduced her to ass-to-mouth. I just made her go brush her teeth after she sucked all the ass off my Johnson before I would kiss her again.[/QUOTE]That is funny af writing.
For record I was just kidding. Anal is universal and magic and ya just need to ask and make 'them comfy and before long you are making her brush her teeth jajajajaj.
Trust your gut.
[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2837957]Damn were deciding a trip otu to medellin after being in cartagena. In your opinion the lleras park girls are 6-7/10 at best? Wthhh this would be a huge change of plans for us then.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oterri;2837919]Looking for an apartment on a higher floor with nice views of Medellin mountains. Must have a reception in front. And very guest friendly. In Laureles but can consider Poblado as well as cost is below hundred bucks a night.
Basically oomething along the lines of San Peter minus the terrible noise. Found few but they are not in high rise buildings. I am not comfortable staying in someone's house or in one corner of it.
Do you know any airbnb in Laureles or Poblado that fits the bill? (Away from LA 70 of course).[/QUOTE]Check Haven Hotel. About $100/ nt for a month out. Girl-friendly, bar & reception upon entry, rooftop bar & pool. Short walk to Parque Lleras, Provenza, etc.
[QUOTE=Recondite;2838129]I know one chica that is a pro that cums from anal more than she does from vaginal.
Generally anal is a thing that submissive girls seem to especially enjoy. Just did anal for the first time with the nonpro I'm shacked up with and she was up for ass-to-mouth and the whole nine yards. But she's very submissive and she told me she likes it when I think of perverse and creative things for her to do. The funny thing is that you'd never know if I sent you her profile or the profile of another seriously freaky semipro I met here. Both look super normal and very much good girls. One of them doesn't have any tattoos and dresses conservatively in her profile. The girl I'm currently shacked up with is a 21-year-old that has glasses and a super innocent look. Girls that like anal are definitely out there.[/QUOTE]Last Christmas at the Mansion I had a regular spinner from the bar who was into everything except I never tried anal with her. One night she got friendly with another regular (although new to me) girl at the bar and asked if they could both go with me. They played together and when I was fucking the new one from behind she said "get the lube". LOL. She then told me to fuck her in the ass while the other girl was underneath licking my cock. Later in the bathroom my regular told her to get down on her knees and they both opened their mouths for a nice load that they shared before swallowing. Best Columbian time ever!
Arriving on Wingo from SDQ (I don't live in a sex prison country), immigration line was 40 minutes at 2:30 AM.
Exited immigration and customs and still did not the mother fucking sign everyone is talking about up in here. Side note: For anyone who likes to drink, Dufry prices do not compare to what you can get in the city. I checked out some Bombay Gin and declined. You can get 2 1 liter bottles for 42 USD. You can get it in the city for 44000 COP for 750 ML.
First taxi offer was 98000 COP, I declined. Second taxi offer was 90,000 COP, I declined. I had my driver meet me at my arrival point. My normal driver was not available as it it was his day off. So, he arranged for an associate of his to take his place. His associate got out of his car, opened the trunk and and opened my door and closed it behind me like I was a VIP. Inside of the taxi he confirmed my destination as his associated had provided the information to me. I arrived at my destination without incident. I gave the driver 120000 COP. And I noted the surprised look on his face. And he thanked me profusely. I don't give a fuck about the posted rate. I got good service and whatever the rate actually is then the amount above that is a personal gift. I have never complained about the overcharge and in fact I have made fun of people who have a problem with the fact I paid 5-7 USD more. Other Cheep Charlies can take the mother fucking bus or Uber. I am a VIP. I know it and got the mother fucking stack to back it up.
Medellin is a breath of fresh air to me. Colombia is about it's business. And I don't even need to pay 800000 for the finest pussy in Medellin. I got a girlfriend. So, if you are reading my posts for information on where the hos at, I got nothing for ya right now. And in fact you don't need that information. I know where they are and everyone reading this thread does also.
Today was a holiday and I decided to walk around and orient myself without the crowds and I saw plenty of girls to I would be willing to pay to fuck on El Centro. I took time to enjoy a good Colombian meal. Stopped to look at a belt. The vendor modified the belt to fit me exactly. It was 100 percent leather and he charged me 25,000 for the belt and modification. I was like what the fuck?
The highlight of my trip was that I hooked up with a very sexy Colombian girl. I am new to Medellin. And I see potential. But I will never give up on the Dominican Republic. It is great to have access to both. And it is even better that I don't have to choose. Sorry for all those with their hard core preferences. I get the best of both worlds.
MDE: It took me 73 minutes to clear the immigration line to leave the country. I saw three people using the BioMag. There went through in 20 seconds. I am going to look into how to get that shit!
Interesting factoid: When I returned from MDE to SDQ I did not have to wait in a line in immigration. I was the only person on the plane that was not from the Dominican Republic.
My Bro and I will be in Medellin, Bogota and Cartagena for a month Aug 14th. Sep 14th. We will be starting out at the Mansion (4 nights) where we will be meeting girls that we will be hooking up with later in our trip. Most of our time will be in my Favorite City Medellin, can't beet the climate, women and groove. I wouldn't say that the Mansion is anything like the Del Rey other than there are women and your room is there. I did hear that the Del Rey was open again after being shut down for 3 years or so.
[QUOTE=JackRamher420;2832516]Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Hope everyone is doing well and getting ready to have a fun safe 4th. Long time monger first time poster. I am on the CRT boards but have not posted here on ISG got the site from someone over on CRT.
Have been to Mexico and San Jose CR a few times and loved it. Now I am venturing off to Medellin the land of Eternal Spring. I am so excited to finally head there after many months of contemplating.
I am looking for some advice on places to stay that are chica friendly and not wanting to charge and a leg for chica fee. I understand that's the game but lets be reasonable.
I have been looking at airbnb I have heard of energy living and saw one that allows you to smoke weed. Dope (no point intended) as well as La Mansion which I heard is a must if I travel there. I guess its like the Del rey in San Jose CR that its a must stay if traveling to either country.
I am so overwhelmed with what I am seeing on youtube. La 70, paruqe lleras, LA 33 etc etc etc.
Any advise apt, hotel, air bnb etc would prefer a balcony with either mountain or city views that you guys can share would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone is out there those dates hope we can link grab some drinks and scope out the talent.
Thank you everyone for your time.
Newbie poster to ISG.
Take care.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2837956]Hey guys I need some guidance.
We went to cartagena couple years ago and fell in love with that place. Unfortunately can't go back as an option but have the opportunity to go to medellin. I've been slowly following all the threads but is medellin better than cartagena?
One of the reasons I loved cartagena so much was the club. Being able to go to dolce then just chill and pick out any girls was amazing. It seems as reading these reviews that medellin is not really like that. I'm not really a fan of the street pick up aspect of everything I rather be in the club (maybe its just cultural) but does medellin have any of that. Everything seems to be outside lleras park.
I also read that medellins environmennt makes it difficult to bring girls back to the airbnb compared to cartagena because houses are usally further away from the park?
Anyways were deciding between medellin, panam city / Costa Rica / mexico city but were heavily leaning on medellin. The outdoor thing just doesn't jive well with us.
Woould love your 2 cents.[/QUOTE]You're lucky. Normally a newbie won't get a substantive reply to a post like this, but since a couple of people here recently questioned my bona fides, I'll reply.
The regular contributors in this thread can advise you better on Medellin. I've spent a total of three weeks there over the years and have dated and / or banged five women I can remember. I've actually banged a lot more paisas outside of Medellin than in the city. Also, I've only spent a week in Mexico City. But I know Panama City, Costa Rica, and Cartagena reasonably well. Also, be aware I'm not that price sensitive. I'm more likely to pursue higher cost options than some here.
They're all worth visiting. If I were looking to wife up with a hooker for a week, Cartagena would be my choice hands down.
But anyway here's my two cents. I throw in Cartagena to some of the categories for your comparison.
Beauty of Women -- For the more attractive women, Cartagena, Medellin and Mexico City tied for first, with Panama a c*nt hair behind. The cities are all drawing from the same pool, Colombian and Venezuelan hotties, with a considerable number from Medellin and the surrounding area. Mexico City, and to a lesser extent Panama have hotties from other countries as well. For all women, not just the most attractive, Medellin is #1, Cartagena #2, Mexico City #3, and Panama City last. When people see an attractive looking woman in Panama, they'll often assume she's a hooker from Colombia or Venezuela. Costa Rica doesn't rate highly because immigration there is trying to shut out the Colombians and Venezuelans. Just considering the natives, I'd rate Costa Rica ahead of Panama and Mexico City.
Club or bar scene with hookers - Cartagena is #1. Costa Rica is in a tie for 2nd. You can stay at the Taormina hotel in San Jose and or the Cocal in Jaco, and just bang the women in the clubs and casinos in the same hotel complex. Panama ties with CR. There's one hooker bar called Habanos where a lot hang out, as well as the Ocean Sun Casino, in the old Trump hotel. There's a place in #4 Medellin called Gustos that reputedly is overpriced. The experts here can advise. Mexico City is last. If you prefer higher end options the best are escorts in Mexico City.
Massage Parlors, Brothels and Strip Clubs -- I can only rate Panama and Costa Rica, and give the edge to Panama. If you go there, don't miss Golden Time (brothel). LE Palace strip club is worth a look, although I've never pulled from there. Costa Rica does have some decent cheaper massage options, and Panama's got a couple of dirt cheap brothels if you're happy doing the deed in 15 minutes.
Girl friendly accommodations -- Mexico City is #1. Hotels are typically girl friendly. Panama #2. You should find good AirBnb options, and if you pick and choose you'll find a good girl friendly hotel. I've stayed at a lot of hotels in Panama and nobody ever prevented me from entering with a date, but I'm crafty. I'm going to take a wild guess here and say Medellin is #3. And Costa Rica is #4, at least in San Jose.
Food -- Mexico City is first. Panama City is #2. Cartagena next. Medellin and Costa Rica come in last.
English Friendly -- Costa Rica #1, Panama #2, Mexico City #3, Medellin and Cartagena tied for last.
Other things to do -- This depends on whether you want to stay in the city, do long day trips, or actually are willing to spend a few days in an area where you have to BYOP (bring your own poontang) . For having a lot to see close to the city, I'd rate Mexico City #1. Chapultepec Park, the Anthropology Museum, and especially the ruins at Teotihuacan are all worth seeing. Costa Rica would be best for day trips, to volcanos and the rain forest. Manuel Antonio National Park would make a good, long day trip from Jaco, Costa Rica. The Arenal volcano / hot springs area is a great place in Costa Rica to visit if you're willing to spend a couple of days. Panama City has the canal close by. If you're willing to spend 6 hours or so driving, the trip to Chiriqui province from Panama City along the coast and then into the mountains. Is great. Bocas del Toro is worth a visit too. Medellin comes in last in this category.
Climate -- I prefer a cooler climate. As such I'd rate Mexico City first, Medellin second, San Jose Costa Rica third, and Jaco, Panama and Cartagena last.
[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2837956]Hey guys I need some guidance.
We went to cartagena couple years ago and fell in love with that place. Unfortunately can't go back as an option but have the opportunity to go to medellin. I've been slowly following all the threads but is medellin better than cartagena?
One of the reasons I loved cartagena so much was the club. Being able to go to dolce then just chill and pick out any girls was amazing. It seems as reading these reviews that medellin is not really like that. I'm not really a fan of the street pick up aspect of everything I rather be in the club (maybe its just cultural) but does medellin have any of that. Everything seems to be outside lleras park.
I also read that medellins environmennt makes it difficult to bring girls back to the airbnb compared to cartagena because houses are usally further away from the park?
Anyways were deciding between medellin, panam city / Costa Rica / mexico city but were heavily leaning on medellin. The outdoor thing just doesn't jive well with us.
Woould love your 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I never been to Panama and Costa Rica so I can't give you input for both, but I've been to Cartagena and Medellin for the past 3 years. As much as I love Cartagena, I would always pick Medellin as the better city.
Here are my perspective of why:
Medellin is a bigger city and you have more options when it comes to finding women and daytime or tourist attractions. Weather is also cooler.
Parque lleras: This is the number one spot for night time activities. You can find huge amount of working girls here that ranges from 6-7. Some 8's as well, but you have to look. There's also a lot of nightclubs here where you can take the girls, if you want to dance and drink. You'll have more options as the night goes by especially after midnight.
Gusto: It is located inside Parque lleras. It compares to Dolce Vita or Space in Cartagena. Nightclub with working girls hanging around inside. I don't really recommend this spot cause the girls here will charge you gringo prices. I had one girl tried to charged me $300 USD for an hour LOL. Quality of girls here ranges from 7-9.
Strip clubs and brothel:
La isla: I'd recommend this spot and I'm pretty sure you'll find what you're looking for here. Very huge and has more seating than Fase dos or you can just chill at the bar. Plenty of beautiful girls to choose from. I recommend to come after midnight. I had a good time on my last visit. You can take the girls out for a fee or you can get a room and do the deed directly at the club. There's 50,000 pesos entry fee. Quality of girls ranges from 7-10.
Fase dos: I was never disappointed whenever I come here. A smaller club but you will get a variety of girls to choose from if you come after midnight. Quality of girls ranges from 6-8.
Loutron: it's one of Pablo Escobar's house turned into brothel. It's a huge house that has bar, pools and entertainment. You will be given a lined up of girls. The girls will come to you one by one to Introduce themselves and tell their names. I went on a Thursday night and was given a lined up of 8 girls. I had a hard time picking one LOL. Depending on which day you go, you get more variety on the weekend. The quality ranges from 7-10. After you picked the girl, she will escort you to the room and have your fun.
There's a lot of Guest friendly Airbnb's in Medellin. Last Airbnb I stayed at was guest friendly and a 5 minutes walk to Parque lleras. You just have to look and ask the host first before booking. There's also a lot of cheap motels you can find near Parque lleras if you don't want to bring the girl back with you in your hotel or Airbnb.
[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2838130]The rooms are over $100 a night though, so I think he's looking for something cheaper.[/QUOTE]I figured, when I stayed I got the cheapest room and it was like 80 ish a night few years ago.
BioMig is available to citizens only.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838211]Arriving on Wingo from SDQ (I don't live in a sex prison country), immigration line was 40 minutes at 2:30 AM.
Exited immigration and customs and still did not the mother fucking sign everyone is talking about up in here. Side note: For anyone who likes to drink, Dufry prices do not compare to what you can get in the city. I checked out some Bombay Gin and declined. You can get 2 1 liter bottles for 42 USD. You can get it in the city for 44000 COP for 750 ML.
First taxi offer was 98000 COP, I declined. Second taxi offer was 90,000 COP, I declined. I had my driver meet me at my arrival point. My normal driver was not available as it it was his day off. So, he arranged for an associate of his to take his place. His associate got out of his car, opened the trunk and and opened my door and closed it behind me like I was a VIP. Inside of the taxi he confirmed my destination as his associated had provided the information to me. I arrived at my destination without incident. I gave the driver 120000 COP. And I noted the surprised look on his face. And he thanked me profusely. I don't give a fuck about the posted rate. I got good service and whatever the rate actually is then the amount above that is a personal gift. I have never complained about the overcharge and in fact I have made fun of people who have a problem with the fact I paid 5-7 USD more. Other Cheep Charlies can take the mother fucking bus or Uber. I am a VIP. I know it and got the mother fucking stack to back it up..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2838273]Gusto: It is located inside Parque lleras. It compares to Dolce Vita or Space in Cartagena. Nightclub with working girls hanging around inside. I don't really recommend this spot cause the girls here will charge you gringo prices. I had one girl tried to charged me $300 USD for an hour LOL. Quality of girls here ranges from 7-9.[/QUOTE]$300 is the standard rate. I was there in December with a group that was a mix of ISG members and a local expat friend of one of the members. Complete rip-off. I would have gotten a few numbers at the least if the price wasn't so insulting.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2838398]BioMig is available to citizens only.[/QUOTE]Biomig to enter is only available to citizens. Biomig to exit is available to everyone.
Thanks for sparing your time to educate us all.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2838227]You're lucky. Normally a newbie won't get a substantive reply to a post like this, but since a couple of people here recently questioned my bona fides, I'll reply.
The regular contributors in this thread can advise you better on Medellin. I've spent a total of three weeks there over the years and have dated and / or banged five women I can remember. I've actually banged a lot more paisas outside of Medellin than in the city. Also, I've only spent a week in Mexico City. But I know Panama City, Costa Rica, and Cartagena reasonably well. Also, be aware I'm not that price sensitive. I'm more likely to pursue higher cost options than some here.
They're all worth visiting. If I were looking to wife up with a hooker for a week, Cartagena would be my choice hands down.
But anyway here's my two cents. I throw in Cartagena to some of the categories for your comparison.
Beauty of Women -- For the more attractive women, Cartagena, Medellin and Mexico City tied for first, with Panama a c*nt hair behind. The cities are all drawing from the same pool, Colombian and Venezuelan hotties, with a considerable number from Medellin and the surrounding area. Mexico City, and to a lesser extent Panama have hotties from other countries as well. For all women, not just the most attractive, Medellin is #1, Cartagena #2, Mexico City #3, and Panama City last. When people see an attractive looking woman in Panama, they'll often assume she's a hooker from Colombia or Venezuela. Costa Rica doesn't rate highly because immigration there is trying to shut out the Colombians and Venezuelans. Just considering the natives, I'd rate Costa Rica ahead of Panama and Mexico City.
Club or bar scene with hookers - Cartagena is #1. Costa Rica is in a tie for 2nd. You can stay at the Taormina hotel in San Jose and or the Cocal in Jaco, and just bang the women in the clubs and casinos in the same hotel complex. Panama ties with CR. There's one hooker bar called Habanos where a lot hang out, as well as the Ocean Sun Casino, in the old Trump hotel. There's a place in #4 Medellin called Gustos that reputedly is overpriced. The experts here can advise. Mexico City is last. If you prefer higher end options the best are escorts in Mexico City.
Massage Parlors, Brothels and Strip Clubs -- I can only rate Panama and Costa Rica, and give the edge to Panama. If you go there, don't miss Golden Time (brothel). LE Palace strip club is worth a look, although I've never pulled from there. Costa Rica does have some decent cheaper massage options, and Panama's got a couple of dirt cheap brothels if you're happy doing the deed in 15 minutes.
Girl friendly accommodations -- Mexico City is #1. Hotels are typically girl friendly. Panama #2. You should find good AirBnb options, and if you pick and choose you'll find a good girl friendly hotel. I've stayed at a lot of hotels in Panama and nobody ever prevented me from entering with a date, but I'm crafty. I'm going to take a wild guess here and say Medellin is #3. And Costa Rica is #4, at least in San Jose.
Food -- Mexico City is first. Panama City is #2. Cartagena next. Medellin and Costa Rica come in last.
English Friendly -- Costa Rica #1, Panama #2, Mexico City #3, Medellin and Cartagena tied for last.
Other things to do -- This depends on whether you want to stay in the city, do long day trips, or actually are willing to spend a few days in an area where you have to BYOP (bring your own poontang) . For having a lot to see close to the city, I'd rate Mexico City #1. Chapultepec Park, the Anthropology Museum, and especially the ruins at Teotihuacan are all worth seeing. Costa Rica would be best for day trips, to volcanos and the rain forest. Manuel Antonio National Park would make a good, long day trip from Jaco, Costa Rica. The Arenal volcano / hot springs area is a great place in Costa Rica to visit if you're willing to spend a couple of days. Panama City has the canal close by. If you're willing to spend 6 hours or so driving, the trip to Chiriqui province from Panama City along the coast and then into the mountains. Is great. Bocas del Toro is worth a visit too. Medellin comes in last in this category.
Climate -- I prefer a cooler climate. As such I'd rate Mexico City first, Medellin second, San Jose Costa Rica third, and Jaco, Panama and Cartagena last.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2838078]Then get a room in San Peter that faces away from LA 70. Each floor in that building has the same design. 3 units on each floor. 2 face LA 70. 1 unit faces the other side. I was told it isn't as noisy as the other 2 rooms. But it is slightly more expensive.[/QUOTE]Its always nice to have Plan be and see.
Energy and San Peter are good but I thought there must be lots of other airbnbs in Medellin that are located on higher floors with fantastic views.
So far I have found just one more in laureles but it does not have AC and is noisy as well.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838441]Biomig to enter is only available to citizens.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838441]Biomig to exit is available to everyone.[/QUOTE]MDE: It took me 73 minutes to clear the immigration line to leave the country. I saw three people using the BioMag. There went through in 20 seconds. [B]I am going to look into how to get that shit![/B].
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838441]Biomig to enter is only available to citizens. Biomig to exit is available to everyone.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/subdireccion-de-control-migratorio/biomig[/URL]
According to this government link, it is only citizens. Do you have a source for that (that exit is available to everyone)?
I am responding to help myself learn to be more patient and to promote a spirit of helping each other in this community. This is an explanation of what I wrote. It applies to Colombia territory entries and exits ("ingresos why salidas" The source is the website of the Colombia government agency known as "Migracion Colombia" ([URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/subdireccion-de-control-migratorio/biomig[/URL]). I hope this helps. Incomplete knowledge is useless only for those who don't feel they have anything to learn:
¿Qué es Biomig?
Es un servicio que permite el ingreso why salida del territorio Colombiano en menor tiempo gracias al enrolamiento (registro) del iris del ojo why de su información personal en las bases de datos de Migración Colombia.
¿Quiénes pueden hacer uso de este servicio?
El servicio Biomig está habilitado únicamente para colombianos mayores de 12 años que se hayan registrado previamente, por una única vez, en LOS puntos habilitados para este fin.
¿Qué documentos se deben presentar?
Cédula de ciudadanía.
Tarjeta de identidad (adolescentes de 12 a 18 años).
Pasaporte válido y vigente.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838504]MDE: It took me 73 minutes to clear the immigration line to leave the country. I saw three people using the BioMag. There went through in 20 seconds. [B]I am going to look into how to get that shit![/B].[/QUOTE]
You are correct. I can understand how it can be confusing for Americans because the Global Entry program is open to or being opened to citizens of several countries, including Colombia and Dominican Republic. I was very interested in BioMig when it was introduced a year or two ago. I did not pursue it because a sign near the BioMig turnstiles in Medellin lists the requirements, of which one is "ser Colombiano."
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2838602][URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/subdireccion-de-control-migratorio/biomig[/URL]
According to this government link, it is only citizens. Do you have a source for that (that exit is available to everyone)?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2838602][URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/subdireccion-de-control-migratorio/biomig[/URL]
According to this government link, it is only citizens. Do you have a source for that (that exit is available to everyone)?[/QUOTE]I would like to know as well, that would come in clutch.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838504]MDE: It took me 73 minutes to clear the immigration line to leave the country. I saw three people using the BioMag. There went through in 20 seconds. [B]I am going to look into how to get that shit![/B].[/QUOTE]You do not do anything to get it. You just walk over and use it.
El ciudadano colombiano [B]o extranjero[/B] podrá registrar LOS puestos de control migratorio de LOS siguientes aeropuertos internacionales why puesto de control terrestre: The Colombian citizen [B]or foreigner[/B] can register. The immigration posts at the following international airports and ground border crossings:
Aeropuerto El Dorado (Bogotá).
Aeropuerto José María Córdova (Rionegro-Antioquia).
Aeropuerto Rafael andúñez (Cartagena-Bolívar).
Aeropuerto Ernesto Cortissoz (Barranquilla-Atlántico).
Aeropuerto Alfonso Bonilla Aragóand (Cali-Valle del Cauca).
Aeropuerto Matecaña (Pereira-Matecaña).
Puesto de control Migratorio Terrestre Rumichaca (Ipiales-Nariño).
[URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/subdireccion-de-control-migratorio/biomig[/URL]
P.S. Admin please do not give me infractions for copying something in Spanish as you did before. I have written what it says in English right next to it.
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2838602][URL]https://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/subdireccion-de-control-migratorio/biomig[/URL]
According to this government link, it is only citizens. Do you have a source for that (that exit is available to everyone)?[/QUOTE]Did you read farther down in the article you posted? It says foreigners. But as with most things the government posts, it is as clear as mud. That is why I said to use it entering is only available to Colombians, but to use it exiting is available to everyone.
Junio 2 DE 2023 12:14 pm.
Este viernes 2 de junio, Migracióand Colombia why Opain lanzaron Biomig para extranjeros. Se trata de una tecnología de reconocimiento facial que ya era usada para la salida de pasajeros nacionales, pero que desde ahora podrá ser usada por usuarios de otros países.
Jun 2, 2023. This Friday June 2 Colombian Immigration will launch Biomig for foreigners. It uses facial recognition technology that was already used for the exit of Colombian passengers, but from now on may be used by people from other countries.
[URL]https://www.portafolio.co/amp/innovacion/migracion-colombia-muestra-las-nuevas-maquinas-que-agilizaran-el-proceso-de-la-salida-de-extranjeros-del-pais-583786[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2838611]I would like to know as well, that would come in clutch.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what any of this is about. When I leave I go through normal security to get on the plane, and yes, someone looks at my passport at some point, but it's not like coming into the country through "migracion". Perhaps what you are all talking about is something to do with flights to the USA? I certainly did not need any bio mig or check mig or anything.
I am writing this to help others to learn and to promote a spirit of helping each other in the community. When information that is being provided is incomplete or flat out wrong, especially information I am interested in, I appreciate it when someone provides more complete information.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838640]Junio 2 DE 2023 12:14 pm.
Este viernes 2 de junio, Migraciand Colombia why Opain lanzaron Biomig para extranjeros. Se trata de una tecnologa de reconocimiento facial que ya era usada para la salida de pasajeros nacionales, pero que desde ahora podr ser usada por usuarios de otros pases.
Jun 2, 2023. This Friday June 2 Colombian Immigration will launch Biomig for foreigners. It uses facial recognition technology that was already used for the exit of Colombian passengers,[b] but from now on may be used by people from other countries.[/b]
[URL]https://www.portafolio.co/amp/innovacion/migracion-colombia-muestra-las-nuevas-maquinas-que-agilizaran-el-proceso-de-la-salida-de-extranjeros-del-pais-583786[/URL][/QUOTE][B]Mr E.[/B] has provided complete information. I am making this post to thank him for providing complete, [B]accurate[/B] and useful information. I plan to follow up on my next trip and post about it. I hope others will learn to show their appreciation as I have done. And just a reminder to for people check their facts before providing incomplete information in the future.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2838605]I am responding to help myself learn to be more patient and to promote a spirit of helping each other in this community. Incomplete knowledge is useless only for those who don't feel they have anything to learn.[/QUOTE]
Thank you both Mr. E and Mr Sub. With all due respect to whatever second hand reports say, I'm going to carry on with going through passport control until I receive information from Colombia Migration that there is a better way. I will say the failure rate of the facial recognition I've observed is very low so I am keen to use it if and when it's available to me. I look forward to someone with first hand experience coming forward.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838700]I am writing this to help others to learn and to promote a spirit of helping each other in the community. When information that is being provided is incomplete or flat out wrong, especially information I am interested in, I appreciate it when someone provides more complete information.
[B]Mr E.[/B] has provided complete information. I am making this post to thank him for providing complete, [B]accurate[/B] and useful information. I plan to follow up on my next trip and post about it. I hope others will learn to show their appreciation as I have done. And just a reminder to for people check their facts before providing incomplete information in the future.[/QUOTE]
Two quick things to consider, 1) [URL]portafolio.com[/URL] whatever it is, is not an official source of government information. That may or may not matter but 2) if it is accurate I don't plan to route my travel via Bogota to use it. I will be happy to jump on board if and when it's available to me:
Migración Colombia lanza biometría facial para salida de extranjeros.
Inicialmente funcionará en el Aeropuerto Internacional El Dorado. LE contamos cómo funciona why a see youántos pasajeros beneficiará en temporadas altas.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838640]Did you read farther down in the article you posted? It says foreigners. But as with most things the government posts, it is as clear as mud. That is why I said to use it entering is only available to Colombians, but to use it exiting is available to everyone.
Junio 2 DE 2023 12:14 pm.
Este viernes 2 de junio, Migraciand Colombia why Opain lanzaron Biomig para extranjeros. Se trata de una tecnologa de reconocimiento facial que ya era usada para la salida de pasajeros nacionales, pero que desde ahora podr ser usada por usuarios de otros pases.
Jun 2, 2023. This Friday June 2 Colombian Immigration will launch Biomig for foreigners. It uses facial recognition technology that was already used for the exit of Colombian passengers, but from now on may be used by people from other countries.
[URL]https://www.portafolio.co/amp/innovacion/migracion-colombia-muestra-las-nuevas-maquinas-que-agilizaran-el-proceso-de-la-salida-de-extranjeros-del-pais-583786[/URL][/QUOTE]
If I understood [URL]portafolio.com[/URL] well enough, there are 5 kiosks available in Bogota since June and there are plans to make available in Medellin and other airports during "the coming years. " Did I get that right?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838635]You do not do anything to get it. You just walk over and use it.
El ciudadano colombiano [B]o extranjero[/B] podr registrar LOS puestos de control migratorio de LOS siguientes aeropuertos internacionales why puesto de control terrestre: The Colombian citizen [B]or foreigner[/B] can register. The immigration posts at the following international airports and ground border crossings:
Aeropuerto El Dorado (Bogot).
Aeropuerto Jos Mara Crdova (Rionegro-Antioquia).
Aeropuerto Rafael andez (Cartagena-Bolvar).
Aeropuerto Ernesto Cortissoz (Barranquilla-Atlntico).
Aeropuerto Alfonso Bonilla Aragand (Cali-Valle del Cauca)..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838211]MDE: It took me 73 minutes to clear the immigration line to leave the country. I saw three people using the BioMag. There went through in 20 seconds. [b]I am going to look into how to get that shit![/b][/QUOTE]It would not be a stretch to think the majority of people leaving the country are citizens. That being the case as I reported before it I only saw three people use BioMag. But if it is available to me the loss of privacy is worth getting back 72 minutes and 40 seconds back of my life, by not having to stand in line for the process. Interesting observation. The immigration agent I was called to was closest to the BioMag kiosks. He paused my process to go monitor the three people who arrive to leave through BioMag. And it still only took 20 seconds.
Seems we have a personal choice issue. Like my personal choice not to use Uber, ride the bus or pay 800000 COP for pussy. [B]LOL[/B]!
Long time reader and researcher, finally checked out Medellin. Stayed in a great airbnb in Laureles, only $35 ish a night. No on-site security but has security doors that alarm if left open too long plus cameras. Felt safe, place was quiet and affordable. Good restaurants near and the Exito super-walmart like complex had everything I needed 2 minute walk away.
Built a FB roster a few months prior to going and it was very successful for me. Got a handful of Whatsapp #'s. All turned out very good to great. No complaints, never needed to go out in the wild and pick from the street. Good attitudes and willingness from the ones I chose. One turned out to be a complete non pro who didn't want anything from me except taxi money and a good time.
During the daytime I checked out parlors including Ellas erotic, energy, and of course Loutron. Loutron, while expensive for Medellin, is a really cool experience. I will return.
Went to parque lleras only once during the day, just checked out the area and had some drinks. With all my FB options and staying 30 minutes away in Laureles, I didn't have the need or desire to get tipsy in lleras looking for talent on this trip. I will party in this area on my second trip.
I am already planning a return as soon as I can, going to take the non pro I lucked into out to Guatape for a day, and party more in lleras for that experience. Medellin is a great time but without prior research it would be overwhelming for some.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2838717]If I understood [URL]portafolio.com[/URL] well enough, there are 5 kiosks available in Bogota since June and there are plans to make available in Medellin and other airports during "the coming years. " Did I get that right?[/QUOTE]It is already available to be used at the listed airports. I just entered through Bogota and confirmed with the immigration guy. Biomig can be used by foreigners to exit, but not to enter.
Also it appears checkmig is a thing of the past. I did not fill it out on purpose. He scanned my passport and looked in the computer and asked if I was going to Barranquilla. I said no staying in Bogota. Did you ask because you see that is where I entered last time? He said yes and handed my passport back and said see you later.
[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2839124]Long time reader and researcher, finally checked out Medellin. Stayed in a great airbnb in Laureles, only $35 ish a night. No on-site security but has security doors that alarm if left open too long plus cameras. Felt safe, place was quiet and affordable. Good restaurants near and the Exito super-walmart like complex had everything I needed 2 minute walk away.
Built a FB roster a few months prior to going and it was very successful for me. Got a handful of Whatsapp #'s. All turned out very good to great. No complaints, never needed to go out in the wild and pick from the street. Good attitudes and willingness from the ones I chose. One turned out to be a complete non pro who didn't want anything from me except taxi money and a good time.[/QUOTE]How do you build this FB roster? I haven't tried this one yet. What are the guidelines?
Thanks for taking the time to share this. It seems like you are going to be a terrific addition to the community.
[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2839124]Long time reader and researcher, finally checked out Medellin. Stayed in a great airbnb in Laureles, only $35 ish a night. No on-site security but has security doors that alarm if left open too long plus cameras. Felt safe, place was quiet and affordable. Good restaurants near and the Exito super-walmart like complex had everything I needed 2 minute walk away.
Built a FB roster a few months prior to going and it was very successful for me. Got a handful of Whatsapp #'s. All turned out very good to great. No complaints, never needed to go out in the wild and pick from the street. Good attitudes and willingness from the ones I chose. One turned out to be a complete non pro who didn't want anything from me except taxi money and a good time.
During the daytime I checked out parlors including Ellas erotic, energy, and of course Loutron. Loutron, while expensive for Medellin, is a really cool experience. I will return.
Went to parque lleras only once during the day, just checked out the area and had some drinks. With all my FB options and staying 30 minutes away in Laureles, I didn't have the need or desire to get tipsy in lleras looking for talent on this trip. I will party in this area on my second trip.
I am already planning a return as soon as I can, going to take the non pro I lucked into out to Guatape for a day, and party more in lleras for that experience. Medellin is a great time but without prior research it would be overwhelming for some.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2837718]Wow! The last time I went to New Life they only charged you a viewing fee if you didn't pick a girl from a line up. Can anyone confirm that all casas in Medelland are doing this or which ones? More upcharging.[/QUOTE]It's $1-2, I think that there are bigger issues we can discuss.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2839176]It is already available to be used at the listed airports. I just entered through Bogota and confirmed with the immigration guy. Biomig can be used by foreigners to exit, but not to enter.
Also it appears checkmig is a thing of the past. I did not fill it out on purpose. He scanned my passport and looked in the computer and asked if I was going to Barranquilla. I said no staying in Bogota. Did you ask because you see that is where I entered last time? He said yes and handed my passport back and said see you later.[/QUOTE]If I understand you correctly you did not fill out a Check Mig form entering into Colombia? At the USA airport they always ask to see the form. Sometimes they don't ask for the return ticket but always the stupid check mig form.
A buddy and I went last night to lleras to scope out what talent was roaming about on a Saturday night. Being that this week is the feria de las flores, the city is packed with even more people than normal. Most restaurants in provenza and calle 10 and the park were full and a great atmosphere. We talked with several girls and groups of girls that were working. Quotes for ratos were anywhere from 300 mil to 600 mil. We speak decent spanish which helped in having some conversation and all were willing to reduce their rates, a few to between 150 mil and 250 mil. One pair of friends were dressed sharp in short skirts and boots that had us captivated. They were very friendly siling and laughing, less business-like and appeared to just want to have a fun night. We took them to have a drink and dance at one of the fondas. We hung out there for awhile and after drinking with them and developing some chemistry, I was making out with the 19 year old cute blonde spinner, and my buddy was doing the same with her friend, a more 22 year old voluptuous brunette with that great long shiny black hair, the type he loves. We ended up going back to the apartment to drink and dance more and then pairing off. Great time had by both of us, neither girl in a rush, they left at 5 am to head home to Bello, each with 250 mil in their pocket. We are planning on seeing them again tomorrow to hang out at the pool.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2839321]If I understand you correctly you did not fill out a Check Mig form entering into Colombia? At the USA airport they always ask to see the form. Sometimes they don't ask for the return ticket but always the stupid check mig form.[/QUOTE]A couple weeks ago, flying into Medellin, I forgot to fill out the Check Mig form.
Leaving from Miami, no one asked about it, tho the return flight they did verify.
Arriving in Colombia no one asked about the Check Mig either.
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2839584]A buddy and I went last night to lleras to scope out what talent was roaming about on a Saturday night. Being that this week is the feria de las flores, the city is packed with even more people than normal. Most restaurants in provenza and calle 10 and the park were full and a great atmosphere. We talked with several girls and groups of girls that were working. Quotes for ratos were anywhere from 300 mil to 600 mil. We speak decent spanish which helped in having some conversation and all were willing to reduce their rates, a few to between 150 mil and 250 mil. One pair of friends were dressed sharp in short skirts and boots that had us captivated. They were very friendly siling and laughing, less business-like and appeared to just want to have a fun night. We took them to have a drink and dance at one of the fondas. We hung out there for awhile and after drinking with them and developing some chemistry, I was making out with the 19 year old cute blonde spinner, and my buddy was doing the same with her friend, a more 22 year old voluptuous brunette with that great long shiny black hair, the type he loves. We ended up going back to the apartment to drink and dance more and then pairing off. Great time had by both of us, neither girl in a rush, they left at 5 am to head home to Bello, each with 250 mil in their pocket. We are planning on seeing them again tomorrow to hang out at the pool.[/QUOTE]Bravo! That's the way you do it! Chat with the chicas a bit and establish a rapport. Mind-boggling how many guys are scared of these women, and when the women asks for some ridiculous amount, just accept it. Outside of the girls that have cultivated a large client-base of gringos, the vast majority will take 150-250 mil. And if they're having a decent time, they won't be in a rush to leave.
I'll add that the ones that have cultivated a large client-base of gringos frequently aren't the best performers.
[QUOTE=Combo;2839628]Bravo! That's the way you do it! Chat with the chicas a bit and establish a rapport. Mind-boggling how many guys are scared of these women, and when the women asks for some ridiculous amount, just accept it. Outside of the girls that have cultivated a large client-base of gringos, the vast majority will take 150-250 mil. And if they're having a decent time, they won't be in a rush to leave.
I'll add that the ones that have cultivated a large client-base of gringos frequently aren't the best performers.[/QUOTE]Yes exactly, I first came to Colombia in 2014, and as many old timers also say, it was so much better back in the day when there were so few gringos here. Last night we saw way too many dumbass bonehead dweebs walking around acting like they are still in the US in Miami or New York and think they are ballers, but act like they have never gotten laid before. Sad, really sad. Embarrassed for these pretenders. And the hardcore girls spot them and work them over, charging them out the ass and then giving them horrible service and are out the door in less than an hour to go back hunting for another. Why? Because they can, there are too many tourist dweebs now who have absolutely no clue what they are doing and they get played. Too easy for the girls. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2839656]Yes exactly, I first came to Colombia in 2014, and as many old timers also say, it was so much better back in the day when there were so few gringos here. Last night we saw way too many dumbass bonehead dweebs walking around acting like they are still in the US in Miami or New York and think they are ballers, but act like they have never gotten laid before. Sad, really sad. Embarrassed for these pretenders. And the hardcore girls spot them and work them over, charging them out the ass and then giving them horrible service and are out the door in less than an hour to go back hunting for another. Why? Because they can, there are too many tourist dweebs now who have absolutely no clue what they are doing and they get played. Too easy for the girls. Like shooting fish in a barrel.[/QUOTE]It is true that there are a lot of gringos in Medellin and many of them are new to the scene. But it really doesn't affect your experience If you take the time and effort to find the right girl for you. I know that many guys are saying that these gringos are ruining the experience in Medellin. And that may be true for the girls that they interact with. But usually those are the girls that I am not interested in so I don't find that it affects my experience in Medellin at all.
In every single country on this website, you will see you guys complaining about other guys. Colombia is no exception. I don't spend much time thinking about what other guys are doing. I just do what I do and I find that I'm still having a good time in Medellin. It may have been better in the past before it became popular but it is still good here in Medellin.
For the El Centro rats, all these new gringos isn't really affecting the street scene in El Centro. And so far in my experiences on Facebook, it doesn't really have much of an impact on the girls that I want to see. There are so many girls available that if a girl is asking too much, I just move on to the next girl and there is always another girl available.
I would also say that Colombia is more than just Medellin. If you find yourself thinking that there are too many gringos in Medellin, I would say try another city and that will solve the problem.
What is crazy is the areas with Prepagos seem to be spreading. I was out with my girl and her work colleagues in Provenza on calle 10 and 10 a Saturday. There were girls hanging around and in small groups all over the place and the Colombians were commenting on how there were prepagos everywhere. Like I said before, I've seen girls on la 70 too. I think partly that supply is expanding to meet increased demand.
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2839656]Yes exactly, I first came to Colombia in 2014, and as many old timers also say, it was so much better back in the day when there were so few gringos here. Last night we saw way too many dumbass bonehead dweebs walking around acting like they are still in the US in Miami or New York and think they are ballers, but act like they have never gotten laid before. Sad, really sad. Embarrassed for these pretenders. And the hardcore girls spot them and work them over, charging them out the ass and then giving them horrible service and are out the door in less than an hour to go back hunting for another. Why? Because they can, there are too many tourist dweebs now who have absolutely no clue what they are doing and they get played. Too easy for the girls. Like shooting fish in a barrel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2839584]I was making out with the 19 year old cute blonde spinner[/QUOTE]Are her initials M. G. On Facebook?
Also I had the attached FB chat below with a girl who works both Lleras and Plaza Botero. Well if you can't read it, basically she's saying the money in Lleras is much better (obviously). Someone actually paid upwards of 1 M in Lleras, not sure if it's to her alone or what but in Botero I took her to my apartment for 100 mil plus transportation (20 mil). There's a lot of overlap between the Botero and Lleras girls. When Botero shuts down at around 11 pm or whatever, the girls who think they can make it in Lleras head there. But I've been told by multiple girls that Lleras is tougher for them because there's more competition. What makes it worthwhile for them is the newbies who throw 500 k or whatever at them for some pretty basic services. I add maybe 50 mil to my Botero offer at Lleras and I get enough takers.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2839191]How do you build this FB roster? I haven't tried this one yet. What are the guidelines?[/QUOTE]Not sure. I herd it has to do with finding a girl who is a worker. / a guy who is a monger maybe by going to la isla page on fb for example and friending people who follow. Follow a few more and then stop. Follow one more the next say and so on but dint follow too many or facebook will ban you. Eventually facebook will recommend you girls that are down. Talk ro them set something up.
Idk I haven't done it myself.
This year I didn't decide from which city I'll fly back.
I want to buy my ticket once in Colombia.
Are they still asking for the return ticket at arrival?
Is there a way to book a fake ticket, I remember a member wrote about it 1 year ago?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Tasss;2839685]Are her initials M. G. On Facebook?
Also I had the attached FB chat below with a girl who works both Lleras and Plaza Botero. Well if you can't read it, basically she's saying the money in Lleras is much better (obviously). Someone actually paid upwards of 1 M in Lleras, not sure if it's to her alone or what but in Botero I took her to my apartment for 100 mil plus transportation (20 mil). There's a lot of overlap between the Botero and Lleras girls. When Botero shuts down at around 11 pm or whatever, the girls who think they can make it in Lleras head there. But I've been told by multiple girls that Lleras is tougher for them because there's more competition. What makes it worthwhile for them is the newbies who throw 500 k or whatever at them for some pretty basic services. I add maybe 50 mil to my Botero offer at Lleras and I get enough takers.[/QUOTE]I have wondered why some girls at Botero don't go to Lleras. I was just thinking it was the working hours. Lot's working girls at Lleras nighttime.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2839793]This year I didn't decide from which city I'll fly back.
I want to buy my ticket once in Colombia.
Are they still asking for the return ticket at arrival?
Is there a way to book a fake ticket, I remember a member wrote about it 1 year ago?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]No need to book a 'fake ticket', just book a refundable one way fare and have it refunded once done with entry. Yes the airlines check the return ticket. Usually same airline so it's automatic. But this last time it was better with 2 separate one ways for me, so I did that and they asked. Took me a while to find it, And they weren't relenting.
[QUOTE=Combo;2839628]Bravo! That's the way you do it! Chat with the chicas a bit and establish a rapport. Mind-boggling how many guys are scared of these women, and when the women asks for some ridiculous amount, just accept it. Outside of the girls that have cultivated a large client-base of gringos, the vast majority will take 150-250 mil. And if they're having a decent time, they won't be in a rush to leave.
I'll add that the ones that have cultivated a large client-base of gringos frequently aren't the best performers.[/QUOTE]Hence my repetition of the point I learned the hard way. High price often corresponds with low service levels. Most of the mind blowing experiences I have had in Medellin has been in the 150-200 mil range. Above 250 mil I have almost never had a good one, no matter how hot the girl, once she asks that she's off my list. There was one I missed for various reasons over the last two years, we had agreed 200 before, she's a model and a solid 8.5 or 9. this last time she was available and insisted on 350 mil. I just told her good luck and moved on. The old me would have gone for it.The difference? She's very active on the gringo circuit and a gringo hand around now. I've heard from reliable sources her service levels are a lot lower and she has more restrictions now. Oh well, you can't have them all. I only got one dick!
Medellin is boring if you're older. I'm sexed out at this point. At least Brazil has a beach.
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2839656]Yes exactly, I first came to Colombia in 2014, and as many old timers also say, it was so much better back in the day when there were so few gringos here. Last night we saw way too many dumbass bonehead dweebs walking around acting like they are still in the US in Miami or New York and think they are ballers, but act like they have never gotten laid before. Sad, really sad. Embarrassed for these pretenders. And the hardcore girls spot them and work them over, charging them out the ass and then giving them horrible service and are out the door in less than an hour to go back hunting for another. Why? Because they can, there are too many tourist dweebs now who have absolutely no clue what they are doing and they get played. Too easy for the girls. Like shooting fish in a barrel.[/QUOTE]Can't really blame those dweebs seeing girls they could bang who are hotter than girls they wanked to back home making them does in headlights. In such a situation they and their money are easily parted.
[QUOTE=Tasss;2839685]Are her initials M. G. On Facebook?
Also I had the attached FB chat below with a girl who works both Lleras and Plaza Botero. Well if you can't read it, basically she's saying the money in Lleras is much better (obviously). Someone actually paid upwards of 1 M in Lleras, not sure if it's to her alone or what but in Botero I took her to my apartment for 100 mil plus transportation (20 mil). There's a lot of overlap between the Botero and Lleras girls. When Botero shuts down at around 11 pm or whatever, the girls who think they can make it in Lleras head there. But I've been told by multiple girls that Lleras is tougher for them because there's more competition. What makes it worthwhile for them is the newbies who throw 500 k or whatever at them for some pretty basic services. I add maybe 50 mil to my Botero offer at Lleras and I get enough takers.[/QUOTE]As to the assertion that there is a lot of overlap between Botero and Lleras, I disagree with that assertion. While there may be some overlap, it is not a lot. Most of the girls hanging out in Botero are not attractive enough to get business in Lleras and that is why Llleras is tougher for them. Whenever I visit Botero, I see maybe 2 or 3 girls that I may be interested in, total. In Lleras, that number is much higher and you don't see the typical subpar girl you see in Botero. In Botero, for that price, the local guys are less picky and just want to get off.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2839793]
Are they still asking for the return ticket at arrival?
Is there a way to book a fake ticket, I remember a member wrote about it 1 year ago?
.[/QUOTE]Yes, most likely they ask. I used to make up my own in pdf. These days I just pay usd 10 to have it done online. Saves me time. Just look up 'onwatd ticket' and you will find plenty of providers online. Just remember to use a different airline if you choose to create your own.
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2839656]Yes exactly, I first came to Colombia in 2014, and as many old timers also say, it was so much better back in the day when there were so few gringos here. Last night we saw way too many dumbass bonehead dweebs walking around acting like they are still in the US in Miami or New York.
.[/QUOTE]Not really fair to assume urexperience in poblado is representative ofthe rest of Colombia. I would say its the exception rather than the rule.
Hello, newly a newbie again. Been away from this life for some years. I won't bore you with the story.
Back in the game, found myself in Medellíand, everything seems unfamiliar and I'm flying solo, so if anyone else is also here in the same boat and looking for some company on their exploits, send a message and we'll get together for a beer or something. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2839793]This year I didn't decide from which city I'll fly back.
I want to buy my ticket once in Colombia.
Are they still asking for the return ticket at arrival?
Is there a way to book a fake ticket, I remember a member wrote about it 1 year ago?
Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]www.onewayfly.com[/URL] and costs about 20 dollars.
Any full service airline (I am excluding the Spirits, wingos, and Frontiers of the world) offers fully refundable tickets. Buy one then cancel it for a refund after you are done with immigration. You have to pay attention to the difference between "refundable" and "redeemable. " Cost is $0 and the time it takes to click through the purchase page of the airline's web site.
[QUOTE=Huacho;2840190][URL]www.onewayfly.com[/URL] and costs about 20 dollars.[/QUOTE]
I had fogotten about that episode. After another day or two I will have forgotten about it again.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2840042]Not everyone was entertained by his self-aggrandizing posts.[/QUOTE]
Some more newbie questions. Thanks for your patience. I dug through 40 pages here, but a few things still seem a bit unclear.
& I understand anything can always happen anywhere at any time, of course. But curious if you more experienced fellas have any experience with these:
Visiting addresses given by prepagos from mileroticos etc. Dumb idea? Or harmless? Anyone heard of or had problems?
Tinder / bumble. I know many of you use fb but I'm not sure how to set that up. Getting a lot of responses from young cosmetology students on the dating apps looking to come visit for "benefits". I haven't pulled the trigger as I've seen a few suggestions here of foul play.
With street ladies, are you cabbing with them to a location? Or trusting theirs? Or other?
Thanks for any advice you may have, much appreciated.
This place is very close to new life. Not sure if others have mentioned it.
Pretty good lineup. They day I went it had more girls and better looking girls than new life. Rooms pretty decent. Had Valentina. 50 k for bbj and extra tip for CIM. I gave her 50 but she would have taken less. 100 k for the hour. 2 oo total. She was full GFE. Great bbj deep throat. Very nice girl.
Av. Oriental con Argentina.
Cra. 45 D No. 57-67.
[QUOTE=Alegrito;2840217]Some more newbie questions. Thanks for your patience. I dug through 40 pages here, but a few things still seem a bit unclear.
& I understand anything can always happen anywhere at any time, of course. But curious if you more experienced fellas have any experience with these:
Visiting addresses given by prepagos from mileroticos etc. Dumb idea? Or harmless? Anyone heard of or had problems?
Tinder / bumble. I know many of you use fb but I'm not sure how to set that up. Getting a lot of responses from young cosmetology students on the dating apps looking to come visit for "benefits". I haven't pulled the trigger as I've seen a few suggestions here of foul play.
With street ladies, are you cabbing with them to a location? Or trusting theirs? Or other?
Thanks for any advice you may have, much appreciated.[/QUOTE]1. I wouldn't go to a prepagos' place if I never met her before, hell, even if I have I wouldn't. Have them come to you, just lock your stuff up and watch your drink.
2. meet them at a bar near your place, see what kinda vibe they're putting out. If all seems cool, tell what you want and ask what they want.
3. With any chica I meet out and about, I call an Uber / indriver. Try to stay in control.
P.S., if your new, maybe hit some casas first super easy and typically the cheapest and safest nut you can get.
Hello gentlemen, I just wanted to report my second visit to tantra spa. In my last post, I said I'd be visiting absolute spa next but I was in the neighborhood again and decided to take a 15 minute detour and return, hoping my last girl was there again. Anyway, same guy greeted me at the door and ushered me in and gave me the business card. I actually would prefer that this practice would stop as I don't really need evidence that I'd been there. I walked up and again found 3 other gents (locals) already waiting in the waiting room. As I sat down girls were already coming out in a line. I guess, someone entered right before I did. Less girls today. So I'm my limited experience, the weekends seem to have more girls. There were about 8 and I'd say the highest was a low seven. All were fairly young and dark skinned, except one older lady, maybe forties? Who was the only one with bolt-ONS. It was almost comical as us four guys just stared at the line up with no interest. It felt like a reverse auction, where we were all hoping someone would break the silence and take one of the girls so the rest could use the opportunity to leave. Then I took the leap and got up and thanked the girls and left, which started the mass exodus. All the guys followed me out, but as we exited, one of the locals started talking to the door guy and it seemed that he was told to go to the bar next door for more girls. So we all went next door and there were 6 girls working. Unlike my fellow local mongers, I didn't sit down because I didn't want to offered a drink. Anyway, the girls here were very similar in quality to the girls in the spa, perhaps just a tad cuter and younger looking but they still didn't stir my loins, so I quickly left, this time on my own. I guess I wrote this to tell my fellow noob mongers that it's totally okay to just leave if your not feeling it. Just do so quickly and politely so as you aren't wasting anybody's time. Don't feel pressured to give up your money even though it's relatively not that much. I only have 2 more days in Bogota before leaving for Medellin. If I manage to visit any more spas you can bet I'll report my experiences. Take care, happy mongering.
Its my first time in Colombia, and I had a bit of a noob question. Is there an escort agency, or a specific quality casa that I can go to? I'm happy to pay a bit of a premium for the right girl, but hoping for a safe / low friction experience! Would rather not go to the clubs to find someone. Or is using SA a good option to line someone up?
With [I]Wingo[/I] you can by a ticket that is changeable without a fee. Please don't try to claim your superior knowledge in a response to me. I have actually done it. All you have to do is pay the difference in price if there is any when you make the change. And since you are changing it you can pick the fare that is equal to the one you purchased the ticket at. Be careful with the fine print of ANY airline that you are dealing with. So not to receive any unpleasant surprises. [I]Wingo[/I] also takes the confirmation code of any airline as proof of what they are asking for. I find it curious that the airlines spend more time focused on the issue than immigration does. That has been my experience.
And please remember that you can also use a car sharing app or ride the bus leave the airport when drivers are trying to overcharge you. Or you can do like I do and just pay the higher fee or do like I do now just have my driver meet me at the airport. And when it is late, I pay the higher fee as a personal gift for the service I receive.
Since this is actually the [B]Medellin Reports[/B] thread and yet much of what I read is chit chat how about something actually related to girls. My lovely Colombiana that I met on my last trip finally hit me up for money 10 days after I left. I consider that rather impressive. She has been writing me everyday since I left. After telling her "no" it will be interesting to see if our interactions in WhatsApp changes. If nothing changes then she is a keeper.
[QUOTE=Alegrito;2840217]Some more newbie questions. Thanks for your patience. I dug through 40 pages here, but a few things still seem a bit unclear.
....[/QUOTE]To get started on FB, follow the quoted post, read posts from JjBee62 and MoonShot.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2811430]The posts listed are all sound advice and I generally follow those rules. ...[/QUOTE]Visiting is fine based on the reports here. For this, read the posts from Eszpresszo, BlueChange. Logically speaking, they aren't likely to rob you for 300 mil you have with you at the place they work.
For street girls in El Centro, you go to the short time hotel there. For street girls in Lleras, you take them back to your place. For El Centro, read the posts from Surfer500, Gabacho, LoveItHere69.
Tinder is like rolling the dice. Let's say 1 out of 1000 is drugged. It could happen at the first date or it could happen at the 1000th date.
For Gusto, read the posts from Dcrist0527.
You should expect less than 20% of the above mentioned posts will help you. Any more questions, just ask
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2839793]Is there a way to book a fake ticket.[/QUOTE]Usually I use expedia and then cancel it within 24 h for free.
Used [URL]onwardtickets.com[/URL] several time before as well. Cheap, like 7 bucks and quick.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2840448]To get started on FB, follow the quoted post, read posts from JjBee62 and MoonShot.
Visiting is fine based on the reports here. For this, read the posts from Eszpresszo, BlueChange. Logically speaking, they aren't likely to rob you for 300 mil you have with you at the place they work.
For street girls in El Centro, you go to the short time hotel there. For street girls in Lleras, you take them back to your place. For El Centro, read the posts from Surfer500, Gabacho, LoveItHere69.
Tinder is like rolling the dice. Let's say 1 out of 1000 is drugged. It could happen at the first date or it could happen at the 1000th date.
For Gusto, read the posts from Dcrist0527.
You should expect less than 20% of the above mentioned posts will help you. Any more questions, just ask[/QUOTE]El centro girls will go your hotel too if your staying down there.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2840419]With [I]Wingo[/I] you can by a ticket that is changeable without a fee. Please don't try to claim your superior knowledge in a response to me. I have actually done it. All you have to do is pay the difference in price if there is any when you make the change. And since you are changing it you can pick the fare that is equal to the one you purchased the ticket at. Be careful with the fine print of ANY airline that you are dealing with. So not to receive any unpleasant surprises. [I]Wingo[/I] also takes the confirmation code of any airline as proof of what they are asking for. I find it curious that the airlines spend more time focused on the issue than immigration does. That has been my experience.
And please remember
Since this is actually the [B]Medellin Reports[/B] thread and yet much of what I read is chit chat how about something actually related to girls. My lovely Colombiana that I met on my last trip finally hit me up for money 10 days after I left. I consider that rather impressive. She has been writing me everyday since I left. After telling her "no" it will be interesting to see if our interactions in WhatsApp changes. If nothing changes then she is a keeper.[/QUOTE]It's because Immigration uses the airlines as their enforcement vehicle. They get fined a lot and can have landing slots cancelled if they don't comply so they do.
As to your girl, if they ask it's kinda a sign of things to come. One thing if they have a job and ask for a special occasion or expense as things are tight but then see you for free or just small gifts meals when you're there, but that is definitely an exception for MDE. Good luck.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2840522]As to your girl, if they ask it's kinda a sign of things to come. One thing if they have a job and ask for a special occasion or expense as things are tight but then see you for free or just small gifts meals when you're there, but that is definitely an exception for MDE.[/QUOTE]Or he can do like I just did this very minute. Met a chick 5 minutes for coffee the other day in Bogota before she went to Cartagena for work and I went to Leticia. She gets to Cartagena and loses her wallet. She hit me up to send her money through Nequi because of the emergency.
This shit did not add up. If I send you money to your phone as you requested, then how are you going to get it? If I can send you money, then would it not follow that you could just as well send money to yourself? You are among family at your mom's house, yet you ask a mf you met for 5 minutes to help with the emergency. You went there for work, so surely your company would assist an employee who is there on company business.
So I told her that I do not send money to women and asked her if she still wanted to date. Instead of a simple yes or no she went on about somebody helping her in her time of need. Finally got a no out of her. I said just as well I do not want to date someone that would not want to be with me because I did not give them money. I really liked what I knew of the chick, but I am not hurting for pussy so there is no need for me to be kissing a chick's ass and sending her money.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2840522]It's because Immigration uses the airlines as their enforcement vehicle. They get fined a lot and can have landing slots cancelled if they don't comply so they do.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your respectable, comprehensive and accurate sharing of knowledge. I appreciate it.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2840522]As to your girl, if they ask it's kinda a sign of things to come. One thing if they have a job and ask for a special occasion or expense as things are tight but then see you for free or just small gifts meals when you're there, but that is definitely an exception for MDE. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Brother, I live in the Dominican Republic. I have never fucked a girl more than three times here before she asked me for money. And that includes girls with husbands, live in boyfriends, boyfriends and sponsors outside the country. Pussy and money is like a horse and carriage. The only place I have found completely free pussy is in the western countries where girls make enough on their own and are slutty enough to slang that thing 24/7/365 to whomever she wants.
My hookup in Colombia: She has an online business. She showed me the website and I saw the inventory. The money I gave her for her encounter was for her birthday, but she spent it on her family members to buy food. She still managed to have a good birthday, just not the lavish one she had planned. She is in university. Studying for a useful profession that is in demand. And she is leaning English. A girl asking me for money does not phase me. Been working hard and stacking my flow. I plan to die broke. But my gifts can come from the heart (it is my love language). But only if a girl is bringing me more than just pussy. Because: [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B].
I like her. But I am not hurting for pussy nor should anyone else posting on this board. A lot of girls have the same equipment and assets that she has, I am rare find. LOL!
Planning my next trip, obviously I am thinking of the important things. Where are the best spots for watching football on Sundays? I assume Lleras would have plenty of options, but please drop some recommended spots.
Quick question just landed today and I am surprised that most of the FB girls I am talking are not asking.
Money, as soon as I talk to them they ask where and when to come, is this normal for them to come without talking for money upfront or I will get surprise after they come to hotel or session?
Hi guys, I have gone thorugh over 70 pages looking for information regarding La Isla, and I wanted to make sure I understand rules at La Isla.
Is the price of the girls fixed out there, or I need to negotiate with the girl? I saw on reports that price are around 300-600 k. But is that all included or I need to pay separately for girl and separately for room? And finally. I pay at cashier for everything or I hand the cash to the girl in the room?
Also, I am coming from Rio de Janeiro, where mainly I visited termas, where best time to go was around 7-8 pm. What is the best time to go to La Isla?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2840622]Planning my next trip, obviously I am thinking of the important things. Where are the best spots for watching football on Sundays? I assume Lleras would have plenty of options, but please drop some recommended spots.[/QUOTE]I always go to Patricks Pub but the rumor is it has changed hands. Hotters {sic } is close by if Patricks is not an option.
Anybody and everybody on this website knows more about the facebook scene than me. In general, there is little or no advantage to start a date without agreeing on terms. As with anything, there are exceptions.
[QUOTE=Ullo200;2840624]Quick question just landed today and I am surprised that most of the FB girls I am talking are not asking.
Money, as soon as I talk to them they ask where and when to come, is this normal for them to come without talking for money upfront or I will get surprise after they come to hotel or session?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ullo200;2840624]Quick question just landed today and I am surprised that most of the FB girls I am talking are not asking.
Money, as soon as I talk to them they ask where and when to come, is this normal for them to come without talking for money upfront or I will get surprise after they come to hotel or session?[/QUOTE]It is just the way it is. Almost all of the girls I chat with on FB do not ask me for money but most expect payment if they have sex with you. So to avoid misunderstandings, I ask them how much they expect if we meet, and rarely is a girl offended. Instead, they usually give me a price or they ask how much I would give them. When I first visited Medellin, I meet a girl who did not ask me for money in the chats but after we had sex, she asked me for money and it was an awkward negotiation when services have already been rendered and accepted. It's like eating dinner thinking that it is free and then you get the bill and try to negotiate downward.
Now I prefer to know ahead of time and even with girls who have been chatting with me for months and have never mentioned money, when I ask that question, the response is almost always, how much you give me?
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2840741]It is just the way it is. Almost all of the girls I chat with on FB do not ask me for money but most expect payment if they have sex with you. So to avoid misunderstandings, I ask them how much they expect if we meet, and rarely is a girl offended. Instead, they usually give me a price or they ask how much I would give them. When I first visited Medellin, I meet a girl who did not ask me for money in the chats but after we had sex, she asked me for money and it was an awkward negotiation when services have already been rendered and accepted. It's like eating dinner thinking that it is free and then you get the bill and try to negotiate downward.
Now I prefer to know ahead of time and even with girls who have been chatting with me for months and have never mentioned money, when I ask that question, the response is almost always, how much you give me?[/QUOTE]There are a number of girls that don't negotiate and expect payment but far from all. You have to read them a bit. I find it helps to have lunch or coffee and look if she's showing up on her own dime or not, and even how eager she is to move to your place. Personally I prefer to not scare off the nonpros so I wait to see what the girl will say or do. If she wants a regalito I'd just give her 200 or 250. I would say I've almost always had a better experience with those "regalito" types than the ones who give me the whole menu, time limits, and a rule book. My philosophy also is why pay for what you can get for free. I've also had one or two charge me the first time and then say they'd go out with me for free. Am back in the states but had a girl living for me for around 20 days for the price of some lunch and dinner dates, a trip up to a cabaña in Santa Elena one weekend, and a few small gifts.
[QUOTE=BartSimpson5;2840638]Hi guys, I have gone thorugh over 70 pages looking for information regarding La Isla, and I wanted to make sure I understand rules at La Isla.
Is the price of the girls fixed out there, or I need to negotiate with the girl? I saw on reports that price are around 300-600 k. But is that all included or I need to pay separately for girl and separately for room? And finally. I pay at cashier for everything or I hand the cash to the girl in the room?
Also, I am coming from Rio de Janeiro, where mainly I visited termas, where best time to go was around 7-8 pm. What is the best time to go to La Isla?
Thanks![/QUOTE]At la Isla or Fase Dos, you pay the cashier. The girl usually expects a tip for her in the room too. I would not go before about 11 pm as it is dead there before.
[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2840790]At la Isla or Fase Dos, you pay the cashier. The girl usually expects a tip for her in the room too. I would not go before about 11 pm as it is dead there before.[/QUOTE]Nowadays, if you are new it is better to confirm that is all you need to pay at the casher, and no more payment after. One member reported paying the second time in the room. Whether it is true or not, it's better to confirm if you are a not sure. I would not tip the girl. Get her number and repeat with her outside the club as a reward.
[QUOTE=Recondite;2840781]There are a number of girls that don't negotiate and expect payment but far from all. You have to read them a bit. I find it helps to have lunch or coffee and look if she's showing up on her own dime or not, and even how eager she is to move to your place. Personally I prefer to not scare off the nonpros so I wait to see what the girl will say or do. If she wants a regalito I'd just give her 200 or 250. I would say I've almost always had a better experience with those "regalito" types than the ones who give me the whole menu, time limits, and a rule book. My philosophy also is why pay for what you can get for free. I've also had one or two charge me the first time and then say they'd go out with me for free.[/QUOTE]As is often the case with guys on this site, you seem to have some fantasies going on in your head. The typical Medellin girl that finds her way on a foreigner's Facebook friend list is working, selling sexual services, content, or both and most if not all that you felt like you got "for free" felt cheated after the fact but didn't have the courage to ask for her money. That's assuming you aren't blowing smoke which is common enough here.
P.S. Also a lot of these girls are part of organized businesses and have handlers.
[QUOTE=Ullo200;2840624]Quick question just landed today and I am surprised that most of the FB girls I am talking are not asking.
Money, as soon as I talk to them they ask where and when to come, is this normal for them to come without talking for money upfront or I will get surprise after they come to hotel or session?[/QUOTE]If you are just talking to them, it is no surprise that they do not talk about money right away. This is one difference from prepago. When you set the date to have the girl come over for sex, did the girl ask for money?
[QUOTE=Ullo200;2840624]Quick question just landed today and I am surprised that most of the FB girls I am talking are not asking.
Money, as soon as I talk to them they ask where and when to come, is this normal for them to come without talking for money upfront or I will get surprise after they come to hotel or session?[/QUOTE]It's very common. I've always thought it's best to ask them how much for their time, or if they'd like a gift, to get an understanding of expectations. I had a couple situations years ago where things were not agreed to before and the girl expected outrageous amounts. Making a scene, one even called the cops (was the DR).
Some will say not to negotiate and see what you can get for free, but I don't agree with this tactic either. The truth is that you will get some free sex, but it's not because the girl is in love, it's more likely that she's just new to the game and afraid of the confrontation with a 250 lb dude. I've seen guys leave a live in girlfriend of a week high and dry (ie didn't pay a dime) and fly out. It just doesn't seem right to me.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2840868]It's very common. I've always thought it's best to ask them how much for their time, or if they'd like a gift, to get an understanding of expectations. I had a couple situations years ago where things were not agreed to before and the girl expected outrageous amounts. Making a scene, one even called the cops (was the DR).
Some will say not to negotiate and see what you can get for free, but I don't agree with this tactic either. The truth is that you will get some free sex, but it's not because the girl is in love, it's more likely that she's just new to the game and afraid of the confrontation with a 250 lb dude. I've seen guys leave a live in girlfriend of a week high and dry (ie didn't pay a dime) and fly out. It just doesn't seem right to me.[/QUOTE]Very well said.
Has anyone attended flower parade in St Elena recently? Would you say it is worth visiting it for someone who does not speak Spanish? And what is best mode for going to the city to watch the parade. Take taxi or?
Not sure if return to Medellin will be smooth or too complicated?
Is that area safe during the crowded period?
And if I can't visit the parade, what are some good venues to see the flowers near LA 70 area?
Idk if I write a report a month ago but I went to gustos and la isla. 550 k for girl at la isla. All rooms are the same price now. That's almost 150 usd. Before like the end of 2022 it was 350 k for 30 minutes. That's under 100 usd.
Went to gustos. Surprisingly I saw a girl I met at lleras in the middle of 2022. She cost 250 k back then. Now I saw her at gustos and she was charging me in dollars. She said 200 usd. I'm like what? You're the same person your not even a 7. She's lije 150 usd because she knows me. I'm like bah you can leave my apartment bye. I asked how much she would charge me if I call her tomorrow. 150 usd. I'm like I'm not paying premium prices for truly not that great of a girl.
She told me that is what everyone us charging and what gringos are accepting. Whatever.
Also gusto has a lot more gurls than men like 7 to 1.
Anyways I bring this up to question pricing.
Are gusto 150 usd prices justified now that the best establishment in Medellin la isla is charging basically 150 usd? What do you guys think? I wouldn't pay more than 400 k cop for even the best girl.
You know what I think happened at la isla? The cop got to basically 5 k at one point so la isla wanted 100 usd and just converted. Now that the price is high and gringos are taking it they won't lower it. Also the priced out middle class Colombians so who knows if this was truly good for business.
Hax.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2840726]I always go to Patricks Pub but the rumor is it has changed hands. Hotters {sic } is close by if Patricks is not an option.[/QUOTE]Unless Patrick's has changed ownership in the last month, it's still the same owner. I went by there at the beginning of last month on a Sunday, and it was closed. The next Sunday, it was open and the owner was out front where he normally is. Now that football season is almost here, his business should pick up. It's been really slow every time I've been by there recently.
I think I'm successful finding normal girls for several reasons. I speak Spanish fluently and try to know as much as I can about the city and the culture in Medellin. I make an effort to target girls who have full-time jobs, live in decent neighborhoods, and don't have kids as well. I talk to girls extensively before I meet them (this tends to screen out most of the grillas and trafficked girls you mentioned). I also ask girls out for a coffee or lunch / dinner to get a better read on them vs. Right to my apartment. Have I met some semipros that way? Yes. Most semipros I meet end up being a great experience and I'm more than happy to give a regalito to them after sex. My point from before is that if you get a girl who tells you "the me lo que quieres" (give me what you want) or "the me un regalito" (give me a gift) when they are about to leave, just give them 200 or 250 k. I've never had someone get pissed at me when I've done that. At the same time, I've met and slept with many nonpros as well, including the girl I was just living with for three weeks.
Do I recommend other's do what I do? Not necessarily especially if you don't speak Spanish or have a poor sense of social awareness. But it's worked well for me so far. At the same time, I'm under no illusions that most nonpros are looking for something as well. This may be a visa, financial help down the line (I. E. Postpago), or someone to take them out and show them a good time. Those are things that come out with time. I'm more than happy to accommodate option number three. Anyway, not all Colombianas are prepagos and there is a healthy dating market out there as well of girls who are interested in getting to know and date foreigners. I think many other members as well as several of my friends who frequent Medellin can attest to the fact that there are lots of nonpro options out there for those who know how to look for them.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2840858]As is often the case with guys on this site, you seem to have some fantasies going on in your head. The typical Medellin girl that finds her way on a foreigner's Facebook friend list is working, selling sexual services, content, or both and most if not all that you felt like you got "for free" felt cheated after the fact but didn't have the courage to ask for her money. That's assuming you aren't blowing smoke which is common enough here.
P.S. Also a lot of these girls are part of organized businesses and have handlers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2840741]It is just the way it is. Almost all of the girls I chat with on FB do not ask me for money but most expect payment if they have sex with you. So to avoid misunderstandings, I ask them how much they expect if we meet, and rarely is a girl offended. Instead, they usually give me a price or they ask how much I would give them. When I first visited Medellin, I meet a girl who did not ask me for money in the chats but after we had sex, she asked me for money and it was an awkward negotiation when services have already been rendered and accepted. It's like eating dinner thinking that it is free and then you get the bill and try to negotiate downward.
Now I prefer to know ahead of time and even with girls who have been chatting with me for months and have never mentioned money, when I ask that question, the response is almost always, how much you give me?[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply, yeah I was also thinking like that and it's best to ask instead to avoid issues afterwards, in your experience how much would be a acceptable amount.
For a girl if you ask her to come for let's say 1 hour 3 hours half day / night?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2840878]Anyways I bring this up to question pricing.
Are gusto 150 usd prices justified now that the best establishment in medellin la isla is charging basically 150 usd? What do you guys think? I wouldn't pay more than 400 k cop for even the best girl.
You know what I think happened at la isla? The cop got to basically 5 k at one point so la isla wanted 100 usd and just converted. Now that the price is high and gringos are taking it they won't lower it. Also the priced out middke class Colombians so who knows if this was truly good for business.[/QUOTE]I first visited Medellin last December and went to La Isla twice with a group of guys (a mix of ISG members and their friends). I remember the prices being around 350-400 K for 40 minutes. That was expected for a high-end club. I didn't partake because I was seeing women during the days for cheaper and longer. Then I saw a post last month that said it was now 550 K (like you said). Considering there's a 50 K cover charge and you have to buy drinks, you're looking at 650 K+ total for 40 minutes. No fucking way. You could find gorgeous women elsewhere for a fraction of that price. The idiots you see throwing around bills are the ones driving up prices and happily getting ripped off for a woman who probably finished fucking another guy 30 minutes before they showed up.
Gustos has always been a rip-off. My entire group got quoted $300 USD from different women. I just drank and hung out.
[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2840622]Planning my next trip, obviously I am thinking of the important things. Where are the best spots for watching football on Sundays? I assume Lleras would have plenty of options, but please drop some recommended spots.[/QUOTE]Medellin Sports bar just a few feet off of La 70 in Laurels in the San Peter Building should have the game.
[QUOTE=Recondite;2841014]I think I'm successful finding normal girls for several reasons. I speak Spanish fluently and try to know as much as I can about the city and the culture in Medellin. I make an effort to target girls who have full-time jobs, live in decent neighborhoods, and don't have kids as well. I talk to girls extensively before I meet them (this tends to screen out most of the grillas and trafficked girls you mentioned). I also ask girls out for a coffee or lunch / dinner to get a better read on them vs. Right to my apartment. Have I met some semipros that way? Yes. Most semipros I meet end up being a great experience and I'm more than happy to give a regalito to them after sex. My point from before is that if you get a girl who tells you "the me lo que quieres" (give me what you want) or "the me un regalito" (give me a gift) when they are about to leave, just give them 200 or 250 k. I've never had someone get pissed at me when I've done that. At the same time, I've met and slept with many nonpros as well, including the girl I was just living with for three weeks.
Do I recommend other's do what I do? Not necessarily especially if you don't speak Spanish or have a poor sense of social awareness. But it's worked well for me so far. At the same time, I'm under no illusions that most nonpros are looking for something as well. This may be a visa, financial help down the line (I. E. Postpago), or someone to take them out and show them a good time. Those are things that come out with time. I'm more than happy to accommodate option number three. Anyway, not all Colombianas are prepagos and there is a healthy dating market out there as well of girls who are interested in getting to know and date foreigners. I think many other members as well as several of my friends who frequent Medellin can attest to the fact that there are lots of nonpro options out there for those who know how to look for them.[/QUOTE]I will tell you this story about the first girl I met in Medellin on Facebook. We didn't discuss money and she went to my room and we had sex. Afterwards, I gave her 200 k and she said you have to give me more. So I gave her 50 k more and she said you have to give me more. I told her that she needed to leave, and boy, she was pissed off. So first day, first girl, that girl was pissed off when I gave her 250 k when we had no agreement about money and money was never discussed. After that incident, I decided to have an agreement prior to meeting a girl. After that, there has never been an issue as to money.
[QUOTE=Recondite;2841014]..... I think many other members as well as several of my friends who frequent Medellin can attest to the fact that there are lots of nonpro options out there for those who know how to look for them.[/QUOTE]Whether they're pros, semipros or nonpros, I let my money do the talking, meaning that nonpros are just playing a longer game than the semipros and same for the semipros than the pros.
I wouldn't disagree. But it takes two to tango and this is the same in the US or Europe. You don't need to marry that nonpro, send her money, or buy her expensive things unless you want to. How you manage her and how she reacts is a game between you and her.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2841102]Whether they're pros, semipros or nonpros, I let my money do the talking, meaning that nonpros are just playing a longer game than the semipros and same for the semipros than the pros.[/QUOTE]
Hello mongers! I just found this forum after being in the usa one for years. Didn't know we had an international branch. Amazing LOL. I am going to medellin for my first time in early December for a whole week. I've been to cartagena and got INCREDIBLE action at the plaza del reloj (my type which is young like early 20's max since I am a young guy myself. I like petite, spinner. Short. Small. Cute. Not much into huge fake boobs).
I will be staying a few blocks west of parque lleras since I was reading in other places el poblado is the place to be.
My questions to you fellows are as follow.
Is mileroticos the only place to find legit ads? Are they even legit ads?
Are the sw like in cartagena? (as I described what I found there cheap with amazing service to boot).
To find what I like I know I have to search, but are there places / areas that would increase my odds?
Aside from the mongering questions of course if anyone has other travel tips would appreciate it. And I promise 100% to leave a review of any providers yall recommend that I end up seeing. TIA and stay safe.
[QUOTE=Recondite;2841118]I wouldn't disagree. But it takes two to tango and this is the same in the US or Europe. You don't need to marry that nonpro, send her money, or buy her expensive things unless you want to. How you manage her and how she reacts is a game between you and her.[/QUOTE]Well the nonpros I know must be playing a hell of a long game, because I have known some for over 15 years and they have never asked me for shit.
This is the most realistic post in this thread so far becuase it is the most likely outcome besides the few exceptions that can happen. If you don't make an agreement because it spoils your mood or whatever other reason then you open yourself for "you owe me more" type discussions or worse, or you could have an amazing session for less money than you imagined or no money at all. Experienced guys here know which of these scernarios is more frequent and likely. It can be fun to spice up the transactional routine or it can be a pain in the ass. If you make a clear agreement per Moonshot's practice, you won't have to wonder how it will turn out after the deed is done. Information is power, now everyone is is equipped with the tools and free to make their choice.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2841098]I will tell you this story about the first girl I met in Medellin on Facebook. We didn't discuss money and she went to my room and we had sex. Afterwards, I gave her 200 k and she said you have to give me more. So I gave her 50 k more and she said you have to give me more. I told her that she needed to leave, and boy, she was pissed off. So first day, first girl, that girl was pissed off when I gave her 250 k when we had no agreement about money and money was never discussed. After that incident, I decided to have an agreement prior to meeting a girl. After that, there has never been an issue as to money.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ullo200;2841032]Thanks for your reply, yeah I was also thinking like that and it's best to ask instead to avoid issues afterwards, in your experience how much would be a acceptable amount.
For a girl if you ask her to come for let's say 1 hour 3 hours half day / night?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There has been a lot of discussion on the so-called going rate for Facebook girls. My opinion is that there is not one going rate. Every girl is different and has her own opinion on how much she is worth. Age and appearance are big factors. There is only one way to find out. Ask her or if she says, how much will you offer, start your negotiations with a number that you are willing to give. That number depends on you. Now I will tell you what I do but this doesn't mean that it is the right number. I start out with 200 mil and would be willing to go up to 300 mil. Transportation is usually extra, about 50 mil roundtrip. I usually ask for 1. 5 to 2 hours for that price.
As for time, of course, half day or overnight is different from one to two hours. I am not interested in long time stays so I don't know the general number for longer stays.
If you want two shots over 2-3 hours, let her know, make your offer and then she will accept or counteroffer and the price will be somewhere in the middle.
It is probably best to start with less than 2 hours for the first meeting because you may not actually like her. Then after you meet her, you can negotiate for all day if that is what you want.
This is just my opinion based on my personal experiences and your experiences may differ.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2840878]Idk if I write a report a month ago but I went to gustos and la isla. 550 k for girl at la isla. All rooms are the same price now. Thats almost 150 usd. Before like the end of 2022 it was 350 k for 30 minutes. Thats under 100 usd.
Went to gustos. Surprisingly I saw a girl I met at lleras in the middle of 2022. She cost 250 k back then. Now I saw her at gustos and she was charging me in dollars. She said 200 usd. I'm like what? You're the same person your not even a 7. She's lije 150 usd because she knows me. I'm like bah you can leave my apartment bye. I asked how much she would charge me if I call her tomorrow. 150 usd. I'm like I'm not paying premium prices for truly not that great of a girl.
She told me that is what everyone us charging and what gringos are accepting. Whatever. Also gusto has a lot more gurls than men like 7 to 1.
Anyways I bring this up to question pricing....
Are gusto 150 usd prices justified now that the best establishment in medellin la isla is charging basically 150 usd? What do you guys think? I wouldn't pay more than 400 k cop for even the best girl.
You know what I think happened at la isla? The cop got to basically 5 k at one point so la isla wanted 100 usd and just converted. Now that the price is high and gringos are taking it they won't lower it. Also the priced out middke class colombians so who knows if this was truly good for business.
.[/QUOTE]I think it's just Colombian culture. I've seen this stubbornness in other countries, but it's much more pronounced here. For example, I know the real estate market here a bit having owned two condos in the past. You could not believe the number of local Paisas that will let an apartment sit vacant for YEARS rather than lower the rent (or price) by 10%. They have a set number that someone told them it was worth and they're sticking to it. Similar case with the girls. Most of us have business sense and would factor in opportunity cost (ie it's late at night and if I don't accept an offer I'm going home with $0 vs the $40 I spent on entry and drinks!) . Not so with the girls... some guy paid them $300 two months ago and they're holding out for another one-off idiot. I also think they don't want to go against the chica pricing union and lose face.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2837190]To my fellow Centro rats, just out of curiosity what is the back story on the change of name / ownership of Premier Plaza to Botero Casa? The only difference I could see besides the sign is the absence of the gringos who used to hang out on the balcony overlooking ground zero.
On a related note, it seems the large Bluetooth speakers are allowed inside the wire again. So far it's karaoke style vallenato and cumbia "singers. " I wonder how far behind the raooers and indigenous child dance troupes can be.[/QUOTE]There is an American guy sitting and playing old music-1970's-80's rock music loud with a bluetooth speaker in the area. He is with a few other guys. They all are unattractive and strange.
[QUOTE=NoobMonger305;2841120]Hello mongers! I just found this forum after being in the usa one for years. Didn't know we had an international branch. Amazing LOL. I am going to medellin for my first time in early December for a whole week. I've been to cartagena and got INCREDIBLE action at the plaza del reloj (my type which is young like early 20's max since I am a young guy myself. I like petite, spinner. Short. Small. Cute. Not much into huge fake boobs).
I will be staying a few blocks west of parque lleras since I was reading in other places el poblado is the place to be.
My questions to you fellows are as follow.
Is mileroticos the only place to find legit ads? Are they even legit ads?
Are the sw like in cartagena? (as I described what I found there cheap with amazing service to boot).
To find what I like I know I have to search, but are there places / areas that would increase my odds?
Aside from the mongering questions of course if anyone has other travel tips would appreciate it. And I promise 100% to leave a review of any providers yall recommend that I end up seeing. TIA and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I'd say to read the past few pages of this thread, but it gets sidetracked from time to time. So what's better for a noob is to read through the "Reports of Distinction" section on the Colombia main page. Good luck. I'm taking my second trip to Medellin in November, sorry our paths won't meet up.
[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2841053]I first visited Medellin last December and went to La Isla twice with a group of guys (a mix of ISG members and their friends). I remember the prices being around 350-400 K for 40 minutes. That was expected for a high-end club. I didn't partake because I was seeing women during the days for cheaper and longer. Then I saw a post last month that said it was now 550 K (like you said). Considering there's a 50 K cover charge and you have to buy drinks, you're looking at 650 K+ total for 40 minutes. No fucking way. You could find gorgeous women elsewhere for a fraction of that price. The idiots you see throwing around bills are the ones driving up prices and happily getting ripped off for a woman who probably finished fucking another guy 30 minutes before they showed up.
Gustos has always been a rip-off. My entire group got quoted $300 USD from different women. I just drank and hung out.[/QUOTE]Gustos is some weird place where all the girls are weather beaten and wear a ton of makeup, and then get together and charge 250 or 300 dollars. It would be like us mongers getting together and charging all swimsuit models 200 bucks for sex and not budging. LOL.
You are right about the real estate situation. I think it's because real estate taxes aren't a thing below the top tier of property values, so there isn't a big rush to rent or sell vacant properties in Latin America. In Colombia, I think the overriding factor is personal finance services are what they used to be in the late 80's in more developed countries. It's still a cash and reputation economy here. Check out the ATM lines near the 1st and 15th of every month to see Colombians do at ATMs what we do from our phones. They check their balances, they ponder which bills to pay, they deduct cash, and they pay some of their bills, all while a long line of other people are waiting to do the same thing. You quickly learn to stay away from ATMs around the 1st and 15th. Property owners prefer will wait as long as it takes until they get the price they think they should get, and it has to be backed up by what they consider to be a qualified co-signer if it's a rental. Some of us are old enough to remember having to answer questions like "where are you from" or "what line of work are you in" to rent or apply for mortgages. Nowdays of course it's just a matter of providing financial records and references for rentals. Like with everything else here, we have a big advantage in real estate transactions because most of us can come up with the cash we we need to.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2841376]I think it's just Colombian culture. I've seen this stubbornness in other countries, but it's much more pronounced here. For example, I know the real estate market here a bit having owned two condos in the past. You could not believe the number of local Paisas that will let an apartment sit vacant for YEARS rather than lower the rent (or price) by 10%. They have a set number that someone told them it was worth and they're sticking to it. Similar case with the girls. Most of us have business sense and would factor in opportunity cost (ie it's late at night and if I don't accept an offer I'm going home with $0 vs the $40 I spent on entry and drinks!) . Not so with the girls... some guy paid them $300 two months ago and they're holding out for another one-off idiot. I also think they don't want to go against the chica pricing union and lose face.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Recondite;2841118]I wouldn't disagree. ....[/QUOTE]I guess another point is that this is a different experience that is not something that one can just buy directly.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2841098]I will tell you this story about the first girl I met in Medellin on Facebook. We didn't discuss money and she went to my room and we had sex. Afterwards, I gave her 200 k and she said you have to give me more. So I gave her 50 k more and she said you have to give me more. I told her that she needed to leave, and boy, she was pissed off. So first day, first girl, that girl was pissed off when I gave her 250 k when we had no agreement about money and money was never discussed. After that incident, I decided to have an agreement prior to meeting a girl. After that, there has never been an issue as to money.[/QUOTE]Moonshot I enjoy your contributions.
I agree with your approach.
I think some of his experiences are also relative to his Spanish and being almost half your age.
There are many youtube videos. Watch a couple and see what you think. It's all very colorful. The Reader's Digest description I can offer is a holiday parade with a large throng of specatators. This being Colombia, be prepared to surrender any hint of personal space. I attended it once, years ago. If you have a day to kill it's a nice alternative to the usual day trip to Guatape.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2840871]Has anyone attended flower parade in St Elena recently? Would you say it is worth visiting it for someone who does not speak Spanish? And what is best mode for going to the city to watch the parade. Take taxi or?
Not sure if return to Medellin will be smooth or too complicated?
Is that area safe during the crowded period?
And if I can't visit the parade, what are some good venues to see the flowers near LA 70 area?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NoobMonger305;2841120]Hello mongers! I just found this forum after being in the usa one for years. Didn't know we had an international branch. Amazing LOL. I am going to medellin for my first time in early December for a whole week. I've been to cartagena and got INCREDIBLE action at the plaza del reloj (my type which is young like early 20's max since I am a young guy myself. I like petite, spinner. Short. Small. Cute. Not much into huge fake boobs).
I will be staying a few blocks west of parque lleras since I was reading in other places el poblado is the place to be.
My questions to you fellows are as follow.
Is mileroticos the only place to find legit ads? Are they even legit ads?
Are the sw like in cartagena? (as I described what I found there cheap with amazing service to boot).
To find what I like I know I have to search, but are there places / areas that would increase my odds?
Aside from the mongering questions of course if anyone has other travel tips would appreciate it. And I promise 100% to leave a review of any providers yall recommend that I end up seeing. TIA and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I think renting and living in Laureles or Estadio gives much better value, compared to Parque lleras and El Poblado, even if some say it's lower quality, it's really not. I would say prices are lower since the market is for colombian middle class. And with currently low exchange rate for the peso at 4000 to the dollar (,even if it was up almost to 5000, that could not last), it's a good time to go. At La 70, Avenida 70, you have La UPB, which have good Spanish courses, or at Estadio, close to Exito Colombia and the Giradot Estadio, there are Bodytech which resides also at "el cafetero" near Andreas Escobar Sports Park (who was killed 94 after he made a self-goal at the USA soccer WC) , if you go to Bodytech or another top-class gym there will be many more hot chics than you ever see at any club!
Use Mileroticos and look for Laureles, the girls there charge less than El Poblado girls, but it's the same thing!
Connect with local guys, in private they give you some very good advice, where to go, where few gringos ever go!
You need basic Spanish, that will do!
IMHO they expect local guys, they are not really prepared to overprice you with a gringo-premium like the girls at the top-class clubs, El Poblado or Parque Lleras.
If you meet some colombian guys they can recommend you even more economical, and more authentic places. In there company you will be safe, you will just use common sense and everything will be just fine! If they are descent people with descent professions, they are very unlikely to do you any harm.
1st world People spend to much money just to avoid just a little bit of normality, and that is just not worth the price.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2841102]Whether they're pros, semipros or nonpros, I let my money do the talking, meaning that nonpros are just playing a longer game than the semipros and same for the semipros than the pros.[/QUOTE]Yup. It's just the length of time. Like the wise osteoknot said back in the day "we all pay for it somehow at the end of the day".
As I've spent more time here I've come to learn that to get women you have to have money at the end of the day. Like. Getting a girl friend is just prostitution with extra steps. Like she has to like how you look, and she has to trust that you can provide and protect and you have to act all dominant, and at the end of the day you have to pay for her shit. You're still paying for all her shit and you have to do all that other stuff. But what's crazy is that with having a girlfriend she decides whether she'll have sex with you. But at that point if there's no sex I'm leaving.
I will say though, that finding a girlfriend that actually gives you sex, is feminine and is submissive is way easier here in Colombia than it is in the us. It's kinda crazy. I'm an engineer. Here I make a doctors salary basically I'm in the 1% and almost everyone here is low income class so girls are just drawn to me. My looks are average. But in the us. I'm in the top 10%. Girls won't even look at me. Not the 7+ in looks at least. Truly everything revolves around money. Girls that look good in the us know that they can get someone in the top 1% so they don't care about anything else.
Something else that makes finding a really hot girlfriend difficult is that now any 7+ can be scooped up and flown out because of social media. So even finding one is difficult but if you do find one, she probs won't talk to you because she knows she can get men in the top 1% world wide.
Finding girlfriends even in Medellin is getting more difficult by the day especially if she's hot.
So what's the course of action? Get rich and acquire status. That's solves every material problem. Want a hot girl? No problem you can pay 1 k 2 k an hour. Want a 7 GF? No problem you can pay 100 k a year for her lifestyle. If that's not the play, I guess you're going to la isla and gustos getting their WhatsApp and praying to god they accept 400 k or less for an hour or be happy with the 4-5 you found in centro.
Either way, inflation is real and money solves everything.
Hax.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2841450]Here I make a doctors salary basically I'm in the 1% and almost everyone here is low income class so girls are just drawn to me. [/QUOTE]How to they know your income before they meet you?
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2841461]How to they know your income before they meet you?[/QUOTE]And what would it matter unless she had control of it?
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2841461]How to they know your income before they meet you?[/QUOTE]The stuff you wear, the stuff you post on social media. How many followers you got. There's a lot of ways to determine someone social class without knowing them.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2841461]How to they know your income before they meet you?[/QUOTE]Girl also know I'm a foreigner even tho I'm Hispanic. And my accent isn't Colombian.
Lead with a discussion of money and you create a prostitute when you could have a non pro experience. And everyone can indeed make their choice.
Anybody figure out that the girl is also taking the chance that she will not get what she wants if a money discussion about it does not occur. In my opinion, the girl is taking the risk. Because if the man holds frame after the sex occurs, gives what he wants then tells her to get the fuck out, no problems.
[B]Information is power. [i]Incomplete knowledge is useless[/i]. Action trumps everything.[/B]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2841416]I guess another point is that this is a different experience that is not something that one can just buy directly.[/QUOTE]It can certainly buy happiness. Short time love- Oh yea!
[QUOTE=SuperTramp;2841428]Moonshot I enjoy your contributions.
I agree with your approach.
I think some of his experiences are also relative to his Spanish and being almost half your age.[/QUOTE]I would agree. You have to look in the mirror and have an understanding of the situation. I am older, late 50's, average looks. When a young attractive girl, 18-20, is chatting with me and interested in meeting with me, it is common sense to think that she is interested in trying to make money with me. Now, it is possible when I talk to older women late 20's, early 30's and up, that there might be a woman that is interested in regular dating but that would be the exception and not the rule. When you read these stories of older average looking men going out with young attractive women, and then it ends badly, you almost always think, well, wasn't it obvious that she was only interested in him because of the money and she had a local young boyfriend on the side? I think about the older American guy arrested for killing his much younger DJ "girlfriend". So for me, I just make it simple and ask about the money even when the girl is chatting for a while, saying how she really likes me and wants to meet, and maybe 5% of the time, the girl says she doesn't want any money. So far, I have not meet any of those girls because they are not as attractive as the other girls or when it is time to meet, they ghost me.
It is just the way I like to do things and I am not giving advice. Everyone can do what they want. I am not interested in a girlfriend or wife. I am just trying to enjoy my vacations in Medellin with young attractive women who are interested in entertaining me for a reasonable price that makes everyone happy.
I think how you are treated has a lot to do with your own confidence and attitude. I spent a couple days with my cousin, who is in his 50's before I left Medellin. He was spreading money around left and right to everyone from hotel reception to street people. I introduced him to a friend of mine who helps me out when I'm in town and he bought her a $700 phone on the first day. Now he's got enough money that all of this is next to meaningless for him. But at the same time, he complains about how he is always the sugar daddy and how he wants a girl to like him for him. My guess is he leads with money due to a lack of confidence on other fronts.
Personally, I'll happily take girls out and spend money on them as long as I'm doing stuff I would have wanted to do anyway or something she suggests that genuinely interests me. I give gifts but small ones that I try to make thoughtful, like a book I think she'll like, or the drink or candy I noticed she loves. I also genuinely enjoy exposing them to new foods and experiences. But once the suggestion games start I. E. "I'd really love that, or wouldn't that look good on me", or the long stories about financial issues start, I'm usually out of there. There are latinas that are happy to follow your lead and have modest needs / desires. The ones who really like you usually find ways to do things for you like cleaning and cooking for you, helping you groom, and making sure you get good deals and information. I've said it before but small financial gestures from Colombianas area a big deal like a girl who pays your metro, buys you a coffee, or shows up with a small gift for you. There are also women who spend heavily on men. I've experienced getting taken out, gifted cologne, and even a phone by a woman interested in me. That is harder to find in Colombia for the simple fact that even most working women with what you'd think are decent jobs are probably barely getting by financially.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2841472]And what would it matter unless she had control of it?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2841450]Yup. It's just the length of time. Like the wise osteoknot said back in the day "we all pay for it somehow at the end of the day".
As I've spent more time here I've come to learn that to get women you have to have money at the end of the day. Like. Getting a girl friend is just prostitution with extra steps. Like she has to like how you look, and she has to trust that you can provide and protect and you have to act all dominant, and at the end of the day you have to pay for her shit. You're still paying for all her shit and you have to do all that other stuff. But what's crazy is that with having a girlfriend she decides whether she'll have sex with you. But at that point if there's no sex I'm leaving.
I will say though, that finding a girlfriend that actually gives you sex, is feminine and is submissive is way easier here in Colombia than it is in the us. It's kinda crazy. I'm an engineer. Here I make a doctors salary basically I'm in the 1% and almost everyone here is low income class so girls are just drawn to me. My looks are average. But in the us. I'm in the top 10%. Girls won't even look at me. Not the 7+ in looks at least. Truly everything revolves around money. Girls that look good in the us know that they can get someone in the top 1% so they don't care about anything else.
Something else that makes finding a really hot girlfriend difficult is that now any 7+ can be scooped up and flown out because of social media. So even finding one is difficult but if you do find one, she probs won't talk to you because she knows she can get men in the top 1% world wide.
Finding girlfriends even in Medellin is getting more difficult by the day especially if she's hot.
So what's the course of action? Get rich and acquire status. That's solves every material problem. Want a hot girl? No problem you can pay 1 k 2 k an hour. Want a 7 GF? No problem you can pay 100 k a year for her lifestyle. If that's not the play, I guess you're going to la isla and gustos getting their WhatsApp and praying to god they accept 400 k or less for an hour or be happy with the 4-5 you found in centro.
Either way, inflation is real and money solves everything.
Hax.[/QUOTE]The only time you can be dead broke and attract good looking girls is when you're a teenager. I lost my virginity at 17 to a girl I worked with at the local grocery store. She was a cashier and I was a stock boy in the summer. She was stacked and no implants since it was still the 80's. Face 8 body 10. I was finally completing puberty. 5' 10" 155 pounds with a full head of hair. She flirted with me like I was brad Pitt. Now she would be on instagram saying she is 18 and being propositioned by every rich guy in America.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2841369]There has been a lot of discussion on the so-called going rate for Facebook girls. My opinion is that there is not one going rate. Every girl is different and has her own opinion on how much she is worth. Age and appearance are big factors. There is only one way to find out. Ask her or if she says, how much will you offer, start your negotiations with a number that you are willing to give. That number depends on you. Now I will tell you what I do but this doesn't mean that it is the right number. I start out with 200 mil and would be willing to go up to 300 mil. Transportation is usually extra, about 50 mil roundtrip. I usually ask for 1. 5 to 2 hours for that price.
As for time, of course, half day or overnight is different from one to two hours. I am not interested in long time stays so I don't know the general number for longer stays.
If you want two shots over 2-3 hours, let her know, make your offer and then she will accept or counteroffer and the price will be somewhere in the middle.
It is probably best to start with less than 2 hours for the first meeting because you may not actually like her. Then after you meet her, you can negotiate for all day if that is what you want.
This is just my opinion based on my personal experiences and your experiences may differ.[/QUOTE]I like your approach and I think its a very good one, one more thing I notice that it also depend upon desperation of girl, a girl with thousands of FB friends and old profiles will always charge more and show you attitude, in comparison to new girls with less friends on their list and newer profile.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2841450]
Something else that makes finding a really hot girlfriend difficult is that now any 7+ can be scooped up and flown out because of social media. So even finding one is difficult but if you do find one, she probs won't talk to you because she knows she can get men in the top 1% world wide.
Finding girlfriends even in Medellin is getting more difficult by the day especially if she's hot.
[/QUOTE]You are spot one with my experience. This community was originally built for middle age and over, avg looking guys of avg income. Gives us the opportunity to find younger, good looking women that are affordable. With the onset of youtube, instagram, etc, guys that wouldn't usually even think of going abroad for women (young, good looking, wealthy), are now flooding Bogota and Medellin. Three years ago, during the pandemic, I flew to Bogota on a basically empty plane. Hooked up with a 9, a model out of work at the time. Saw her a few times since then, but now it's coming to an end. A guy her age, early twenties, very well off and good looking, from North America, texted her on IG. Since then they are going all over Europe, Colombia, first class tickets, best hotels, all the trimmings. She also hooks up his wealthy young buddies with other models.
As you say, the days of well priced 7's and over are now ending. This does not really affect the Centro type girls, the rising prices due to demand are not as significant there. It's probably time to start looking at other places if one wants 7's, or, pony up the cash.
[QUOTE=NoobMonger305;2841120]Hello mongers! I just found this forum after being in the usa one for years. Didn't know we had an international branch. Amazing LOL. I am going to medellin for my first time in early December for a whole week. I've been to cartagena and got INCREDIBLE action at the plaza del reloj (my type which is young like early 20's max since I am a young guy myself. I like petite, spinner. Short. Small. Cute. Not much into huge fake boobs).
I will be staying a few blocks west of parque lleras since I was reading in other places el poblado is the place to be.
My questions to you fellows are as follow.
Is mileroticos the only place to find legit ads? Are they even legit ads?
Are the sw like in cartagena? (as I described what I found there cheap with amazing service to boot).
To find what I like I know I have to search, but are there places / areas that would increase my odds?
Aside from the mongering questions of course if anyone has other travel tips would appreciate it. And I promise 100% to leave a review of any providers yall recommend that I end up seeing. TIA and stay safe.[/QUOTE]You just found it, but you posted on it 4 years ago? You promise 100% to leave a review, but you left no review for your Cartagena trip? You're talking about girls at Plaza de Reloj, but your Cartagena post said you were going for a bachelor party?
Here are some tips:
1. Work on your memory. If you can't remember you've been on ISG before, how will you remember any of the advice given?
2. Don't make useless promises. About 99% of people who promise 100% to write a review, never write a review. However they often return years later with the same questions, making the same promises.
3. Use the search function. If you're interested in Mileroticos, search for posts mentioning Mileroticos.
4. Don't make decisions without first gathering sufficient information. A few blocks west of Parque Lleras may not be the best area to stay and Poblado may not be the place to be. Those are individual determinations and aren't things you should just accept at face value.
5. Don't expect anything about 1 place to be like another place. If you're looking for street action like you found in Cartagena, go to Cartagena.
6. Read the forum. Start by going back and reading until you can't stand to read anymore. Then keep reading. Ask yourself questions, then search for answers. If you point to a restaurant and ask if they serve hamburgers, and you just order a hamburger, you missed almost everything that's on the menu. At this point you have no idea what's on the menu in Medellin.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2841435]There are many youtube videos. Watch a couple and see what you think. It's all very colorful. The Reader's Digest description I can offer is a holiday parade with a large throng of specatators. This being Colombia, be prepared to surrender any hint of personal space. I attended it once, years ago. If you have a day to kill it's a nice alternative to the usual day trip to Guatape.[/QUOTE]The Classic Car parade is worth checking out if you're into cars. Part of the route, when I saw it, ran along Avenida las Vegas just south of the Aguacatela station. I also caught a bicycle parade near Estadio in Laureles.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2841450]Yup. It's just the length of time. Like the wise osteoknot said back in the day "we all pay for it somehow at the end of the day".
As I've spent more time here I've come to learn that to get women you have to have money at the end of the day......[/QUOTE]Some guys fool themselves thinking that they're getting pussy for free when they are carrying out the girls on dates, spending tons of time with them and buying them presents and shit when truth be told they're spending more on them than we are on pros when you compute the costs per session. My time is money, where the pros at.
They are regulars. I've seen them involved in bad interactions with girls, the girls' boyfriends, police, and robbers. I don't understand the speaker thing, it could be an attempt to fit in. There is already more than enough of that in the plaza.
[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2841387]There is an American guy sitting and playing old music-1970's-80's rock music loud with a bluetooth speaker in the area. He is with a few other guys. They all are unattractive and strange.[/QUOTE]
FACTS. But I don't begrudge the desire for fantasy life. I think it enhances the experience for some. When I was younger I used to fantasize more. I'm grateful that I've been lucky enough to be in a place where my real life satisfies and entertains me more than I even fantasized about in younger years. Anyway, back to the girls. I'm hoping that next week after the flower fest is done the Centro casa and street scenes will be back closer to normal. To be fair, I didn't notice much visitor impact until last Wednesday when the crowds really picked up. I saw only a couple of my regular acquaintances around the plaza before I later popped into a normally lower key casa that reminded me of New Life it was so busy. The manager told me they had a nice surge last week. Earlier in the week I got an whatsapp message from an Aventura girl telling me she moved to the long time place on Ayacucho because she had a falling out with the Aventura manager. I'm probably going to stop in next week. I haven't been there since before the tranvia was built.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2841668]Some guys fool themselves thinking that they're getting pussy for free when they are carrying out the girls on dates, spending tons of time with them and buying them presents and shit when truth be told they're spending more on them than we are on pros when you compute the costs per session. My time is money, where the pros at.[/QUOTE]
I haven't been in medellin for 6 months, but it seems alot has changed. Compared to just few months ago, La isla now charges about 60% more for a girl with raised prices & weakening dollar. That is a bold decision to do so suddenly.
How are prices at gusto, parque, etc now?
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2840878]Idk if I write a report a month ago but I went to gustos and la isla. 550 k for girl at la isla. All rooms are the same price now. Thats almost 150 usd. Before like the end of 2022 it was 350 k for 30 minutes. Thats under 100 usd.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, La isla has gotten really expensive. 550 k is indeed now the girl charge. Also, I've visited La Isla various times alone and they never made a point of me sitting somewhere without ordering a bottle. They did so yesterday, they told me no bottle = no seat, you have to stand in the back at the tables, so can't even have a girl riding on your lap.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2841668]Some guys fool themselves thinking that they're getting pussy for free when they are carrying out the girls on dates, spending tons of time with them and buying them presents and shit when truth be told they're spending more on them than we are on pros when you compute the costs per session. My time is money, where the pros at.[/QUOTE][B]Stop projecting[/B] No one is fooling themselves. If an individual is flying to another country to get "free pussy" is it really free? Yes the pussy may be free in that he does not have to pay for the girl to get on her knees or spread her legs or her ass checks. But indeed has administrative costs. And I don't see anyone posting the true cost of a session. In college me and my boys has a concept called CPO (Cost per orgasm). You add up ALL you cost (everything you spent to get into the pussy). And you divided it by how many nuts that you busted. That give you your CPO. I don't see anyone posting a CPO. It has to be self reported. Then assertion can be made like "they're spending more on them than we are on pros". If you are honest Mr. Turgid, that statement is a WAG. It is your opinion but stated as a fact.
My objective of life is not spend the least amount of money on everything I fucking buy. My objective is to enjoy my life. I can by fake Oakley Sunglass in El Centro for a fraction of the price of the real thing. Yet, I just bought the real thing. 2 pairs in fact. And I saved some money, because the second pair was 50% off. I bought the real thing out of the Oakley store. If someone else does not choose to spend their money in that way, I am fine with it. But I can tell you without a doubt the sex I get with a girl that actually likes me (read chemistry) is far superior to the sex from hard core professionals. I am way past being happy just to be getting pussy from a physically attractive girl.
[B]All relationships are based in money![/B] The question for me is: "Is the relationship solely for money". My time is not money. Money is unlimited. My time is a hard asset. Limited. 24 hours a day just like everyone else. And the clock is ticking. I am about experiences. Not money. Cause you cannot take that paper shit (fiat money) with you. And it has no intrinsic value in the first place.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2841655]You just found it, but you posted on it 4 years ago? You promise 100% to leave a review, but you left no review for your Cartagena trip? You're talking about girls at Plaza de Reloj, but your Cartagena post said you were going for a bachelor party?
Here are some tips:
1. Work on your memory. If you can't remember you've been on ISG before, how will you remember any of the advice given?
2. Don't make useless promises. About 99% of people who promise 100% to write a review, never write a review. However they often return years later with the same questions, making the same promises.
3. Use the search function. If you're interested in Mileroticos, search for posts mentioning Mileroticos..[/QUOTE]Damn yeah you are right I posted something here 4 years ago and totally forgot. Sorry for my bad memory. I didn't review anyone because I forgot about his board completely and I didn't see anyone refer specific providers / locations then the trip came and went and then covid hit and everything turned upside down. Yeah we were there for a bachelor party but we stayed a few days. If you see me on the USA board you will see I have been pretty active for years and left lots of reviews. Again I just forgot about this board. Yes I have been reading. Of course. I understand if I want the same as Cartagena I should go to Cartagena. My questions pertain to Medellin because I wanted to go somewhere new and figured ID mention what I was looking for to get more accurate answers. There are over 60 k pages worth of material here. Most of which has very little to do with what I am looking for since my questions were not so broad. Figured I could ask and someone might point me in the right direction like the other guy that replied to me. Thanks for taking your time to respond though but you said a lot without really answering anything. I got a few months and ill keep reading. But its a lot to comb through and some assistance would be appreciated instead of needless remarks about my poor memory.
Yes, there are always some really cool old cars in that parade. One year a few of them showed up in front of the Museo de Antioquia.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2841658]The Classic Car parade is worth checking out if you're into cars. Part of the route, when I saw it, ran along Avenida las Vegas just south of the Aguacatela station. I also caught a bicycle parade near Estadio in Laureles.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2841720][B]Stop projecting[/B] No one is fooling themselves. If an individual is flying to another country to get "free pussy" is it really free? Yes the pussy may be free in that he does not have to pay for the girl to get on her knees or spread her legs or her ass checks. But indeed has administrative costs. And I don't see anyone posting the true cost of a session. In college me and my boys has a concept called CPO (Cost per orgasm). You add up ALL you cost (everything you spent to get into the pussy). And you divided it by how many nuts that you busted. That give you your CPO. I don't see anyone posting a CPO. It has to be self reported. Then assertion can be made like "they're spending more on them than we are on pros". If you are honest Mr. Turgid, that statement is a WAG. It is your opinion but stated as a fact.
My objective of life is not spend the least amount of money on everything I fucking buy. My objective is to enjoy my life. I can by fake Oakley Sunglass in El Centro for a fraction of the price of the real thing. Yet, I just bought the real thing. 2 pairs in fact. And I saved some money, because the second pair was 50% off. I bought the real thing out of the Oakley store. If someone else does not choose to spend their money in that way, I am fine with it. But I can tell you without a doubt the sex I get with a girl that actually likes me (read chemistry) is far superior to the sex from hard core professionals. I am way past being happy just to be getting pussy from a physically attractive girl.
[B]All relationships are based in money![/B] The question for me is: "Is the relationship solely for money". My time is not money. Money is unlimited. My time is a hard asset. Limited. 24 hours a day just like everyone else. And the clock is ticking. I am about experiences. Not money. Cause you cannot take that paper shit (fiat money) with you. And it has no intrinsic value in the first place.[/QUOTE]Is that you Osteo? I thought you'd be dead by now, or jail.
Why do folks always make a disingenuous argument when people say free? Free means no payment or 'gifts" to the chick. It does not mean you did not spend any money at all. Hell it is not free to live. You have to buy food, buy a car or pay for Uber or even the bus, unless you walk every damn where. When Denny's gives me a free meal on Veterans Day then it is not actually free because I had to put gas in my car to drive there to eat the meal? Be fucking serious. You know what people mean by free or no payment to the person.
There is a huge increase in number of American and European tourists in Medellin that speak English. This should correspond to some increased availability of English speaking ladies but I am having very hard time finding them. Have you come across any?
If anyone can share a number or two, I will really be thankful.
I was under the impression that buying the sim from big movistar shop means they will automatically register my sim and imei info. However to my dismay, my phone IMEIs are completely blocked in Colombia.
I checked some old posts but could not find a working website on which I can try to have it unblocked.
Can someone please point me to the place. Is there a website on which I can appeal or do.
I need to go to an actual claro or movistar office to get it unblocked?
If the latter is an option, please let me know any claro or movistar office near unicentro mall area in Laureles where I can get it unblocked.
Thank you for any guidance.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842049]I was under the impression that buying the sim from big movistar shop means they will automatically register my sim and imei info. However to my dismay, my phone IMEIs are completely blocked in Colombia.
I checked some old posts but could not find a working website on which I can try to have it unblocked.
Can someone please point me to the place. Is there a website on which I can appeal or do.
I need to go to an actual claro or movistar office to get it unblocked?
If the latter is an option, please let me know any claro or movistar office near unicentro mall area in Laureles where I can get it unblocked.
Thank you for any guidance.[/QUOTE]Need more info about your phone, where did you get it, are you still paying for it.
If you got it from a major US carrier and you own the phone, you can call them and ask for an unlock code, assuming that the phone has never been reported and your IMEI is actually not listed in a blacklisted IMEI database.
If it's blacklisted, you will prob have to root the phone or get a third party to do it for you.
PS if your IMEI is blacklisted or phone is locked to your home carrier only, it is not just Colombia
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842049]I was under the impression that buying the sim from big movistar shop means they will automatically register my sim and imei info. However to my dismay, my phone IMEIs are completely blocked in Colombia.
I checked some old posts but could not find a working website on which I can try to have it unblocked.
Can someone please point me to the place. Is there a website on which I can appeal or do.
I need to go to an actual claro or movistar office to get it unblocked?
If the latter is an option, please let me know any claro or movistar office near unicentro mall area in Laureles where I can get it unblocked.
Thank you for any guidance.[/QUOTE]
I assume this is after you purchase a Colombia SIM and your phone was locked after you use it. For Claro, I was told you need to go to the one inside LOS Molinos. You will need to pay for it too. For Movistar, you probably can find out from a store. The SIM needs to be registered with your passport. My SIM was locked despite that I only had it for less than a week. That is my experience anyway.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2842072]I assume this is after you purchase a Colombia SIM and your phone was locked after you use it. For Claro, I was told you need to go to the one inside LOS Molinos. You will need to pay for it too. For Movistar, you probably can find out from a store. The SIM needs to be registered with your passport.[/QUOTE]I bought a Claro SIM the other day in Leticia. It was 10,000 pesos. I asked the guy about registration and it being locked after a while and he told me it would not happen. Guess I will find out for sure next time.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842049]I was under the impression that buying the sim from big movistar shop means they will automatically register my sim and imei info. However to my dismay, my phone IMEIs are completely blocked in Colombia.
I checked some old posts but could not find a working website on which I can try to have it unblocked.
Can someone please point me to the place. Is there a website on which I can appeal or do.
I need to go to an actual claro or movistar office to get it unblocked?
If the latter is an option, please let me know any claro or movistar office near unicentro mall area in Laureles where I can get it unblocked.
Thank you for any guidance.[/QUOTE]You need to register your IMEI with some telecommunications department (I forgot the name of it). It costs 20 mil. I did it twice, the first time online using the link provided by Movistar support, and the 2nd time at Movistar store. However it took a couple of weeks or so for my phone to start working. Interestingly enough, I was able to use DATA the entire time, but could not make calls or send text messages. After a few weeks, it finally got fully unlocked.
[B]Why do folks always make a disingenuous argument when people say free?[/B]
[B]Disingenuous[/B]: [I]Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does[/I]. I am never disingenuous. In fact I am so candid and sincere when I make a response it is sometimes interpreted as being argumentative when I am only pointing out deficiencies in the ideas being proffered. My ideas often so powerful they are like an armor piercing slug hitting a vest designed to stop hand gun ammunition.
[B]Free means no payment or 'gifts" to the chick.[/B]
[B]Gift[/B] - [I]a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.[/I] If you buy dinner for the girl it it a gift? Strict definition would define it as a gift. Free is that the girl sees you in your place or her place and sex occurs. According to some no money for taxi. No dinners. No day trips to the beach or sight seeing. No vacations. No movies. No nothing.
You see prostitution is defined as: [I]the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment[/I]. Looks very straight forward. But I have pointed out several examples in serval posts that shows that is no always a bright line transaction. Of course it can be. But sometime it is not. Marriage is the most expensive sex you will ever get for "free". LOL!
I prefer to use that actual definitions of the Kings English instead of the interpretations of others. I am [U]NOT[/U] going to let anyone tell me that if I give my girlfriend money to get her nails and hair done and she asked me what color I want her nails or when we are together we goto the salon together and get our manicure pedicure that she is a prostitute. Yet that is the opinion of some individuals posting here. Because I like to see her with pretty fingernails when I look down and see her hands wrapped around my dick as she lowers her mouth on it. Maybe when she is around me she wraps it about the dick of some other man. But I can't control that. You know how many wives I have fucked, listened to their conversations while they are laying next to me in bed.
Words have meaning. And in order for others to understand the meaning of your posts you have to use those words properly. But I don't understand why money it is such an issue for some people anyone. [B]Nothing is in life is free[/B]. This is a site that is for sharing information on having sex with girls. There are many individuals getting sex from girls in many different ways. I like to hear their stories. You need internet service to make contact with girls in some cases. I suppose that is why SIM cards are being discussed in the [B]Medellin Reports[/B] thread. I get it. LOL!
So many tourists taking so many pictures of the fat statues. Listening to the tour guides speaking English versus Spanish it seems as if 60% are Colombians and 40% are foreigners. Either way the hotels are a lot more full. Many police are keeping the beggars, vendors, young punks, and women for rent wearing revealing clothes out of the fat statues areas.
No pregnant girls at this time.
Sorry to say but quality is down from 2 years ago.
Midget = proportioned. Dwarf = not proportioned.
There is a dwarf available for anyone who needs to check that off their bucket list of somebody they just have to F. Walk down the alleyway on the side of the Vero Cruz church to Carrera 53 (aka bar street). Cross the street and she is in one of the two hotel entrances across from D1. Sorry guys but she is fugly.
A group of guys own Hotel Botero Real on the side of Vera Cruz church. I met them when they bought the place and kicked the overnighters out for short time only. They also own Hotel Brisas Del Jardin which is the one when you walk down the alleyway on the side of the church to bar street. There is a casino on the left and the very next entrance is the hotel. I know because (once or twice) I saw one of the owners there talking to the employee in the office area and said Hi on my way to screwing a girl. If you walk from the Botero Parque under the metro heading toward the Prado metro station. They also own the one on the left side with the really big balcony (forgot the name). I walked with one of the owners to that hotel. He had business to do there and showed me two rooms. OMG! Nasty! Cockroaches everywhere.
There are three Mandala hotels. I am only interested in the Botero street girl area. That one is Hotel Mandala Botero. I stayed 3 nights. To bring in a girl for a few hours is 35,000. Here is where I get a little mad. I do not have to stay there and I can still get a room for 3 hours for 35,000. If I stay there I should get a discounted price right? This is by far the closest cleanest hotel for short time. The shower can fit 4 people. I was surprised this 3 star hotel has F-ing rooms available. Sadly, no A / see.
Hotel Casa Botero (prior Premier Plaza) is owned by Hotel Mandala Botero. They cleaned it up a little but no major work done. 60,000 per night now. I know because Mandala Botero has Hotel Casa Botero cards on their counter and I asked just to be sure. I also stayed at Casa Botero for a few nights.
Surfer you always mention Hotel Deseos but never the sister hotel. You need to learn the street better. The sister hotel is Hotel Soberano. The yellow hotel just around the corner from the airport bus drop off behind Nutribara. I stayed at Soberano my last trip for 2 weeks 2 years ago. They had remodeled everything. New flooring, paint, toilet, sink, shower. The best rooms are 310,410 maybe some others. The elevator does not work and looks as if it never will. I learned they are sister hotels when I had a problem with the cleaning lady they recommended Deseos. Also, I saw employees working both hotels.
Hotel Nutribara on [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] they show pictures of a swimming pool, sauna, and steam room. None of the three exist and have not for many many years. I was going to try them for a few days but lying to customers like that pissed me off so the hell with them.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2842071]Need more info about your phone, where did you get it, are you still paying for it.
If you got it from a major US carrier and you own the phone, you can call them and ask for an unlock code, assuming that the phone has never been reported and your IMEI is actually not listed in a blacklisted IMEI database.
If it's blacklisted, you will prob have to root the phone or get a third party to do it for you.
PS if your IMEI is blacklisted or phone is locked to your home carrier only, it is not just Colombia[/QUOTE]Not what is happening with Colombia. These are being blocked by the gov't of Colombia.
Nothing to do with your phone or carrier in the US. Colombia blocks phones that have not been registered with them (them being the government of Colombia). Buying a SIM does not necessarily register your phone. I have learned from experience. So when you bring a phone into Colombia that is not on their central registry system you have about a month to get it registered with their system, no matter where you got your Colombian SIM from. The major carriers, if you get the SIM from them, will or can do this properly at the outset. But buying a SIM from a store that sells and installs them may not. It will require your passport and a little process at the same time as you get your SIM. Best done directly with the company stores for Claro or Movistar or whoever, not a little store that just sells and installs the SIM. The country will have your phones IMEI registered when you are done. Regardless of what Colombian phone company. Otherwise you will be blocked in Colombia, no matter what company SIM you get. You can get this unblocked, but it will take a day and only by the carrier of your original SIM that you started with that got you blocked (generally the previous trip).
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842049]I was under the impression that buying the sim from big movistar shop means they will automatically register my sim and imei info. However to my dismay, my phone IMEIs are completely blocked in Colombia.
I checked some old posts but could not find a working website on which I can try to have it unblocked.
Can someone please point me to the place. Is there a website on which I can appeal or do.
I need to go to an actual claro or movistar office to get it unblocked?
If the latter is an option, please let me know any claro or movistar office near unicentro mall area in Laureles where I can get it unblocked.
Thank you for any guidance.[/QUOTE]Had the same thing and had to go to the actual company store for the company that my original Colombia SIM was from. Took me a while to figure out as it was a year or two earlier on a previous trip. Find the nearest company store for the SIM you originally had, and the phone number you had. Google location. In my case it was in San Diego mall.
I was told only the original company you got the SIM from (that resulted in you getting blocked) can have it unblocked.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842047]There is a huge increase in number of American and European tourists in Medellin that speak English. This should correspond to some increased availability of English speaking ladies but I am having very hard time finding them. Have you come across any?
If anyone can share a number or two, I will really be thankful.[/QUOTE]There are a not English speaking ladies but you have to search and might find some. Some will speak little bit but not enough to hold conversation. I also always go for English speaking girls and found few. Look for girls that go to college / universities. But depends on your need love / sex language will do the trick for you.
Send me a PM and will share you one contact.
I agree the Plaza Botero / Parque Berrio quality was better a couple of years ago. Now that some of the girls ask for 40,000 the casas are worth another look. I think the barrier (especially the part that cut off the back of the church from the plaza) is one of the reasons. The other two reasons are economic improvement in Venezuela that brought girls back there and slowed down the flow of girls coming here (LATAM is about to resume operations in Venezuela) and groups of girls who move down to Poblado to work. My sense is the barrier had the biggest impact.
I expect the barrer will be breached or gone by Christmas once Mayor Quintero is voted out. Without getting too deeply into local politics, the facts are Quintero is way behind in the polls, he was recalled once during his term, he faced accusations of sexual harassment and rape, and he has not been able to answer questions about the source of his increase in real estate holdings and cash since he was elected. He had been allied with President Gustavo Petro during the presidential campaign that Petro's son was recently locked up for allegdly helping fund with laundered narco funds.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2842116]So many tourists taking so many pictures of the fat statues. Listening to the tour guides speaking English versus Spanish it seems as if 60% are Colombians and 40% are foreigners. Either way the hotels are a lot more full. Many police are keeping the beggars, vendors, young punks, and women for rent wearing revealing clothes out of the fat statues areas.
No pregnant girls at this time.
Sorry to say but quality is down from 2 years ago.
Midget = proportioned. Dwarf = not proportioned.
There is a dwarf available for anyone who needs to check that off their bucket list of somebody they just have to F. Walk down the alleyway on the side of the Vero Cruz church to Carrera 53 (aka bar street). Cross the street and she is in one of the two hotel entrances across from D1. Sorry guys but she is fugly.
A group of guys own Hotel Botero Real on the side of Vera Cruz church. I met them when they bought the place and kicked the overnighters out for short time only. They also own Hotel Brisas Del Jardin which is the one when you walk down the alleyway on the side of the church to bar street. There is a casino on the left and the very next entrance is the hotel. I know because (once or twice) I saw one of the owners there talking to the employee in the office area and said Hi on my way to screwing a girl. If you walk from the Botero Parque under the metro heading toward the Prado metro station. They also own the one on the left side with the really big balcony (forgot the name). I walked with one of the owners to that hotel. He had business to do there and showed me two rooms. OMG! Nasty! Cockroaches everywhere.
There are three Mandala hotels. I am only interested in the Botero street girl area. That one is Hotel Mandala Botero. I stayed 3 nights. To bring in a girl for a few hours is 35,000. Here is where I get a little mad. I do not have to stay there and I can still get a room for 3 hours for 35,000. If I stay there I should get a discounted price right? This is by far the closest cleanest hotel for short time. The shower can fit 4 people. I was surprised this 3 star hotel has F-ing rooms available. Sadly, no A / see.
Hotel Casa Botero (prior Premier Plaza) is owned by Hotel Mandala Botero. They cleaned it up a little but no major work done. 60,000 per night now. I know because Mandala Botero has Hotel Casa Botero cards on their counter and I asked just to be sure. I also stayed at Casa Botero for a few nights.
Surfer you always mention Hotel Deseos but never the sister hotel. You need to learn the street better. The sister hotel is Hotel Soberano. The yellow hotel just around the corner from the airport bus drop off behind Nutribara. I stayed at Soberano my last trip for 2 weeks 2 years ago. They had remodeled everything. New flooring, paint, toilet, sink, shower. The best rooms are 310,410 maybe some others. The elevator does not work and looks as if it never will. I learned they are sister hotels when I had a problem with the cleaning lady they recommended Deseos. Also, I saw employees working both hotels.
Hotel Nutribara on [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] they show pictures of a swimming pool, sauna, and steam room. None of the three exist and have not for many many years. I was going to try them for a few days but lying to customers like that pissed me off so the hell with them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2841993]Why do folks always make a disingenuous argument when people say free? Free means no payment or 'gifts" to the chick. It does not mean you did not spend any money at all. Hell it is not free to live. You have to buy food, buy a car or pay for Uber or even the bus, unless you walk every damn where. When Denny's gives me a free meal on Veterans Day then it is not actually free because I had to put gas in my car to drive there to eat the meal? Be fucking serious. You know what people mean by free or no payment to the person.[/QUOTE]Eating at dennys is definitely no free after you vomit.
I've been posted here in a while but I've been here for over 10 years and the same reoccurring theme. We can have three pages of people arguing over 10,000 pesos for a taxi ride from the airport. These girls are dirt fucking poor they don't have hot water. Have you ever seen the inside of their houses? Why brag that you got them for cheap offer free. I always give them money because $50 is nothing to me $100 is nothing if a girl truly wants to hang out with me. I will tell her I'm not paying you for sex if we have chemistry and we have sex. Of course I will help you. There's plenty of regular girls or semi pro is whatever you call them, but those Facebook girls are ruined for life. The young ones everybody just takes advantage of them they eventually get smarter. Why do people brag that they got them for free or for $40 when you're making 50 to 100,000 a year you could change their life forever with $1000 but instead you come out here and you brag, how are you manipulated and took advantage of some dirt poor barrio girl who is future is nothing but fatherless children death and robbery. Why'all got a wake up.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328] you could change their life forever with $1000[/QUOTE]More like for a week.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328] Have you ever seen the inside of their houses?[/QUOTE]It might surprise you but a lot people do not mind living the way they do, e. G. There is a lot of improvement they could do with some effort but they don't, because they simply don't care. It's only you that couldn't imagine living in such conditions. Same with hot water. Not a big deal.
Some people that have never been poor and seem to think these people live in constant state of suffering while in fact many if not most of them actually lead a happier more relaxed and socially fulfilling life than many rich folks. Especially when everyone around them is in similar situation more or less. Poor but happy.
There are exceptions of course but in most cases money will be spent on 6th pair of shoes, clothes and other throwables, plus a big screen TV repayment. 1 kg of rice is 5 mil COP in exito.
Money saved on hookers better give to a real charity, all the starving and homeless children fed already? Although whom to help is always a moral dilemma.
Besides, posters writing about the free sex here are mostly after 'she's with me for me not for the money' thing. I'm sure they spend on their GF plenty indirectly, just don't like to be charged by the hour.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328]I've been posted here in a while but I've been here for over 10 years and the same reoccurring theme. We can have three pages of people arguing over 10,000 pesos for a taxi ride from the airport. These girls are dirt fucking poor they don't have hot water. Have you ever seen the inside of their houses? Why brag that you got them for cheap offer free. I always give them money because $50 is nothing to me $100 is nothing if a girl truly wants to hang out with me. I will tell her I'm not paying you for sex if we have chemistry and we have sex. Of course I will help you. There's plenty of regular girls or semi pro is whatever you call them, but those Facebook girls are ruined for life. The young ones everybody just takes advantage of them they eventually get smarter. Why do people brag that they got them for free or for $40 when you're making 50 to 100,000 a year you could change their life forever with $1000 but instead you come out here and you brag, how are you manipulated and took advantage of some dirt poor barrio girl who is future is nothing but fatherless children death and robbery. Why'all got a wake up.[/QUOTE]99% of them, if you give them $1000 USD, will be broke again within a month. Many will be broke within a week. The only ones whose lives are changed forever by $1000 are the ones who get killed by whoever steals the money from them. That is the reality.
Yes, I've been in their homes, and I've seen how they live. I have no problem with handing out something extra. However, if you think giving them more money is going to somehow fix their crappy situation, you're the one who needs to wake up. The issues are a lot deeper than that.
Thanks a lot for posting one of the most important piece. That it has to be unblocked by company that the SIM was bought from.
I wish there was a website where one could go and register the SIM as well as request the unblock. It is way too cumbersome to even find out how to get the IMEI registered.
I have also heard that now a days unblocking can take 2-3 business days!
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2842195]Had the same thing and had to go to the actual company store for the company that my original Colombia SIM was from. Took me a while to figure out as it was a year or two earlier on a previous trip. Find the nearest company store for the SIM you originally had, and the phone number you had. Google location. In my case it was in San Diego mall.
I was told only the original company you got the SIM from (that resulted in you getting blocked) can have it unblocked.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2842072]I assume this is after you purchase a Colombia SIM and your phone was locked after you use it. For Claro, I was told you need to go to the one inside LOS Molinos. You will need to pay for it too. For Movistar, you probably can find out from a store. The SIM needs to be registered with your passport. My SIM was locked despite that I only had it for less than a week. That is my experience anyway.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have got two phones blocked in Colombia now. Running out of phones. Thanks for replying.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2842084]You need to register your IMEI with some telecommunications department (I forgot the name of it). It costs 20 mil. I did it twice, the first time online using the link provided by Movistar support, and the 2nd time at Movistar store. However it took a couple of weeks or so for my phone to start working. Interestingly enough, I was able to use DATA the entire time, but could not make calls or send text messages. After a few weeks, it finally got fully unlocked.[/QUOTE]Couple of weeks. What a mess. I will have to contact movistar support to see if they can help.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842467]I have also heard that now a days unblocking can take 2-3 business days![/QUOTE]It did not take long for me. Claro asked me to purchase an expensive plan to unblock my SIM. My phone was blocked after I already registered with another carrier. It was the registered carrier told me who blocked my phone. Now I always register with my passport to avoid the possible hassle when I get a new SIM despite my phone has been registered before.
I think my example is an exception. The phone usually will not be blocked for a short usage like 1 week like mine did.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2842490]It did not take long for me. Claro asked me to purchase an expensive plan to unblock my SIM. My phone was blocked after I already registered with another carrier. It was the registered carrier told me who blocked my phone. Now I always register with my passport to avoid the possible hassle when I get a new SIM despite my phone has been registered before.
I think my example is an exception. The phone usually will not be blocked for a short usage like 1 week like mine did.[/QUOTE]Not true. I was in Colombia for less than a week and my both phones got blocked. And just today I already got a message from Tigo regarding my phone blockage. It has been just 4 days.
How do register with your passport. Can you please explain?
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842536]Not true. I was in Colombia for less than a week and my both phones got blocked. And just today I already got a message from Tigo regarding my phone blockage. It has been just 4 days.
How do register with your passport. Can you please explain?[/QUOTE]That makes you an exception too. LOL. I try not too be too assertive on these things as my only goal is to share information. If I said it otherwise, someone may jump out and start another debate which I try to avoid as it is useless in my view.
The only way I have done it is take my passport to a company store to have them register it. There are other ways to register it like via a link that was mentioned but I have never received a link or done it.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2842536]Not true. I was in Colombia for less than a week and my both phones got blocked. And just today I already got a message from Tigo regarding my phone blockage. It has been just 4 days.
How do register with your passport. Can you please explain?[/QUOTE]This is for Claro.
You need to go to an OFFICIAL Claro company store, such as the one inside the Andino Mall. You need your passport (or a copy), and the salesperson will register your passport with the SIM on their computer. Then you go to the cashier and pay for a package. It is then official.
Warning: if you go to an unofficial store or corner kiosk, and if you buy and use a SIM, it is not official. I had a bad experience once. I mistakenly thought a phone store was an official Claro office. The MFer salesperson lied to me; he BSed something like that the passports were invalid. He wanted to sell me his phones for sale with a preloaded SIM. I'm assuming it would have worked since he would have made a profit on the phone. I mistakenly bought a SIM from him (of course I was overcharged). I loaded it, but only Social Media worked. No minutes or data. I was told by Claro that the SIM was "unauthorized". Be careful if you go to an unofficial store.
It seems the SIM has to be registered to someone. Either your passport at the official Claro store, or a SIM from the street that is registered to a local; but that can be dangerous since that person can cancel / change.
Some people here are reporting that their phones gets locked when using an unauthorized SIM. Don't really understand that. Of course the phone company (such as Claro) can lock you out of their system, but can they lock your phone with ALL phone carriers, including inside the US? Don't know.
Either register your SIM legally, or get the SIM from a person you can trust 100%.
Note: you can get a legal SIM when you exit El Dorado Airport baggage area; it's right in front. But price is more than triple for maybe one third the data. It is priced in US dollars, so obviously it's a rip-off. But it might be worth the convenience for some.
I am not a techie. I know that internet connections in Colombia can be bad at times. But why not just use Whatsapp? It is free and ready to go as soon as the plane lands. I believe nearly 95% of people and businesses use it. What is the huge advantage of having a local sim? I assume 15% less problems with connections. I do not speak Spanish. But texting has worked out fine for me and you can make calls with Whatsapp. I am getting laid just fine without a sim so please list a few big advantages of having a local sim?
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2842586]This is for Claro.
You need to go to an OFFICIAL Claro company store, such as the one inside the Andino Mall. You need your passport (or a copy), and the salesperson will register your passport with the SIM on their computer. Then you go to the cashier and pay for a package. It is then official.
Warning: if you go to an unofficial store or corner kiosk, and if you buy and use a SIM, it is not official. I had a bad experience once. I mistakenly thought a phone store was an official Claro office. The MFer salesperson lied to me; he BSed something like that the passports were invalid. He wanted to sell me his phones for sale with a preloaded SIM. I'm assuming it would have worked since he would have made a profit on the phone. I mistakenly bought a SIM from him (of course I was overcharged). I loaded it, but only Social Media worked. No minutes or data. I was told by Claro that the SIM was "unauthorized". Be careful if you go to an unofficial store.
It seems the SIM has to be registered to someone. Either your passport at the official Claro store, or a SIM from the street that is registered to a local; but that can be dangerous since that person can cancel / change.
Some people here are reporting that their phones gets locked when using an unauthorized SIM. Don't really understand that. Of course the phone company (such as Claro) can lock you out of their system, but can they lock your phone with ALL phone carriers, including inside the US? Don't know.
Either register your SIM legally, or get the SIM from a person you can trust 100%.
Note: you can get a legal SIM when you exit El Dorado Airport baggage area; it's right in front. But price is more than triple for maybe one third the data. It is priced in US dollars, so obviously it's a rip-off. But it might be worth the convenience for some.[/QUOTE]It is an agency of the government of Colombia that locks phones that have not been properly registered in the country. The lock only applies when you are in Colombia, but to all the carriers there. And it is based on the phone itself, not any particular SIM (the IMEI). You have a couple of weeks or more to complete the registration, but if you do not register is by their deadline your phone will be blocked even if you have already left the country. In other words, you might have only been there for a week, but they send out a text message and if you do not respond the phone gets blocked anyway, which you find out the next time you visit the country and try to get a SIM from anyone.
And the resellers of SIMS might be perfectly good people, and that would be fine if your phone was already legally in the country, but until it is registered as a legal phone in the country by going through the process of registering it, you can buy SIM cards from whoever you want and they will not work once you have been blocked.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2842613]It is an agency of the government of Colombia that locks phones that have not been properly registered in the country. The lock only applies when you are in Colombia, but to all the carriers there. And it is based on the phone itself, not any particular SIM (the IMEI). You have a couple of weeks or more to complete the registration, but if you do not register is by their deadline your phone will be blocked even if you have already left the country. In other words, you might have only been there for a week, but they send out a text message and if you do not respond the phone gets blocked anyway, which you find out the next time you visit the country and try to get a SIM from anyone.
And the resellers of SIMS might be perfectly good people, and that would be fine if your phone was already legally in the country, but until it is registered as a legal phone in the country by going through the process of registering it, you can buy SIM cards from whoever you want and they will not work once you have been blocked.[/QUOTE]The takeaway from all this phone discussion as far as I see it is for a someone who won't be in Colombia for much time is to obtain International service if your carrier offers it and use your USA phone if that is where your from.
A Colombian phone and number unfortunately will not work if you have apps that may require secondary verification in instances where they only do it by text, hence you may have some difficult situations, as an example with some USA banks they will not send texts to an overseas number such as when there is an issue with your ATM cards.
My advice to those here for short periods of time is not to bother with a Colombian phone.
I know someone who needed information from Social Security while in Colombia and could not obtain it as it required two step verification, but they only offered it by text to his number and not by E mail, so he had a problem to resolve.
I'm sure there are some work arounds for this for the tech savy, but some just are not tech savy.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2842605]I am not a techie. I know that internet connections in Colombia can be bad at times. But why not just use Whatsapp? It is free and ready to go as soon as the plane lands. I believe nearly 95% of people and businesses use it. What is the huge advantage of having a local sim? I assume 15% less problems with connections. I do not speak Spanish. But texting has worked out fine for me and you can make calls with Whatsapp. I am getting laid just fine without a sim so please list a few big advantages of having a local sim?[/QUOTE]For me it is 2 things. Mde is a big city, I am often in cabs or rideshares enroute to elsewhere & I need to make plans, advise of lateness, seek dates for the morning etc. Etc. , this is impossible unless I am on a local network.
2) often I am in a restaurant or bar or store etc. Etc. & I need to go outside to meet the ride. Wifi aint workin in the street! I have lost rides because they were around the corner or something & we could not connect.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2842620]The takeaway from all this phone discussion as far as I see it is for a someone who won't be in Colombia for much time is to obtain International service if your carrier offers it and use your USA phone if that is where your from.
A Colombian phone and number unfortunately will not work if you have apps that may require secondary verification in instances where they only do it by text, hence you may have some difficult situations, as an example with some USA banks they will not send texts to an overseas number such as when there is an issue with your ATM cards.
My advice to those here for short periods of time is not to bother with a Colombian phone.
I know someone who needed information from Social Security while in Colombia and could not obtain it as it required two step verification, but they only offered it by text to his number and not by E mail, so he had a problem to resolve.
I'm sure there are some work arounds for this for the tech savy, but some just are not tech savy.[/QUOTE]My carrier in north america has free texting to most countries. So I have my phone with me, I get texts, even without any expensive international roaming add-ONS. So I can get my two step authentication texts. I have a second phone, or a phone that takes dual SIMs, and use my Colombian number for calls and business in Colombia. OR, if your carrier offers a reasonably priced international plan go with that. Mine does not, hence the second phone and local SIM option.
My buddy and I decided to head out to Fase Dos last night around 11 pm. Like all places, it can be hit or miss you just got to go and check it out. Some nights you hit the jackpot and it is brimming with talent, but other nights, it sucks, with just older ugly hags playing with their phones. As we entered we scoped out the talent and sat at the bar. About 20-25 girls, but nothing that reall caught our eye. We were about to get up and leave when two hotties came bouncing through the front door, apparently late for their shift. We were going to stay a little while longer. They head to the back and change, and 20 minutes later come out hand in hand with glittery miniskirts and heels, giggling and smiling. Ohhhh my God. We quickly waved them over before anyone else swooped in on them. Daniela, a 19 yr old slender all natural beauty with that beautiful silky smooth long black hair cascading down her back and Ana, another spinner, 20 yr old, blonde with sparkling eyes and the face of an angel with smooth beautiful skin. They were from Manrique and had only been working a week. Conversation was good and full of energy and we as we always do with new girls let them know that we live here in Medellin in laureles, that quickly establishes that we are not gringo tourists here on vacation only for a week and then gone. We have no time pressure to force an expensive, unfulfilling sex act in the back while they are working. We told them we had to bolt, got their Wpp numbers and set up a double date for them to come over Saturday night and we would cook for them and have some drinks. Looks like we just added two fresh new girls to the roster. Que chimba es medellin!
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2842605]please list a few big advantages of having a local sim?[/QUOTE]Since many of business, online sellers and services (putas included) won't list the prices it's prudent to inquire from a Colombian number (Can't know a price of a damn pizza without going through whole whatsapp conversation, ffs. Well, at least they are responsive most of the time).
In general though, no advantages of randos knowing you're a gringo / tourist as far as I can tell.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2842361]
It might surprise you but a lot people do not mind living the way they do, e. G. There is a lot of improvement they could do with some effort but they don't, because they simply don't care. It's only you that couldn't imagine living in such conditions. Same with hot water. Not a big deal.
Some people that have never been poor and seem to think these people live in constant state of suffering while in fact many if not most of them actually lead a happier more relaxed and socially fulfilling life than many rich folks. Especially when everyone around them is in similar situation more or less. Poor but happy.
There are exceptions of course but in most cases money will be spent on 6th pair of shoes, clothes and other throwables, plus a big screen TV repayment. 1 kg of rice is 5 mil COP in exito.
Money saved on hookers better give to a real charity, all the starving and homeless children fed already? Although whom to help is always a moral dilemma.
Besides, posters writing about the free sex here are mostly after 'she's with me for me not for the money' thing. I'm sure they spend on their GF plenty indirectly, just don't like to be charged by the hour.[/QUOTE]What about Venezuelan refugees that have to other way to earn than working as a hooker to feed their family. I'm sure you think they can choose to go flip some burger or something else instead right?
- To the original poster: Did you forget where you are posting? If you read the forum long enough, you probably realize you posted in the wrong place.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2842697]My carrier in north america has free texting to most countries. So I have my phone with me, I get texts, even without any expensive international roaming add-ONS. So I can get my two step authentication texts. I have a second phone, or a phone that takes dual SIMs, and use my Colombian number for calls and business in Colombia. OR, if your carrier offers a reasonably priced international plan go with that. Mine does not, hence the second phone and local SIM option.[/QUOTE]Whose the carrier?
I personally have Verizon with an International Plan so total normal, just like in the States and no issues and no need for a Colombian smart phone, however I do have a Colombian burner phone for ventures around the City.
So many horror stories in the past on this board about lost / stolen phones and the headaches they cause which I don't want.
There are at least a few people who are significantly more than $1,000 in debt. Assuming someone you have that amount would use it to pay down their debt, and this is a big assumption, that person would be closer to square one. Which further assumes the person would not run up yet more debt.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2842361]More like for a week.
It might surprise you but a lot people do not mind living the way they do, e. G. There is a lot of improvement they could do with some effort but they don't, because they simply don't care. It's only you that couldn't imagine living in such conditions. Same with hot water. Not a big deal.
Some people that have never been poor and seem to think these people live in constant state of suffering while in fact many if not most of them actually lead a happier more relaxed and socially fulfilling life than many rich folks. Especially when everyone around them is in similar situation more or less. Poor but happy.
There are exceptions of course but in most cases money will be spent on 6th pair of shoes, clothes and other throwables, plus a big screen TV repayment. 1 kg of rice is 5 mil COP in exito.
Money saved on hookers better give to a real charity, all the starving and homeless children fed already? Although whom to help is always a moral dilemma.
Besides, posters writing about the free sex here are mostly after 'she's with me for me not for the money' thing. I'm sure they spend on their GF plenty indirectly, just don't like to be charged by the hour.[/QUOTE]
At&t and t-mobile offer account plans that include international roaming data at no additional cost. I recommend you get one even if you already have a Colombia number. It covers you in a pinch if your Colombia service provider has an outage or your account is out of data. It of course also covers you if you travel somewhere other than Colombia.
[QUOTE=Shemp;2842641]For me it is 2 things. Mde is a big city, I am often in cabs or rideshares enroute to elsewhere & I need to make plans, advise of lateness, seek dates for the morning etc. Etc. , this is impossible unless I am on a local network.
2) often I am in a restaurant or bar or store etc. Etc. & I need to go outside to meet the ride. Wifi aint workin in the street! I have lost rides because they were around the corner or something & we could not connect.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2842605]I am not a techie. I know that internet connections in Colombia can be bad at times. But why not just use Whatsapp? It is free and ready to go as soon as the plane lands. I believe nearly 95% of people and businesses use it. What is the huge advantage of having a local sim? I assume 15% less problems with connections. I do not speak Spanish. But texting has worked out fine for me and you can make calls with Whatsapp. I am getting laid just fine without a sim so please list a few big advantages of having a local sim?[/QUOTE]You have to have an internet connection to use Whatsapp. The MDE airport has free wifi, but unless you have an international data plan, you can't use Whatsapp when you leave the airport on the way to Medellin. If you're riding in a taxi or rideshare or bus, you can't use Whatsapp. You can't receive or send messages, or make calls, when you're not connected to wifi. I pay Claro 41 mil for 30 days of calls, text, and data. To me, it's well worth it.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2842766]Whose the carrier?[/QUOTE]T-Mobile. Most / all plans have free text and slow (2 G?) data for 215 countries. 25 cent per minute. Unlimited minutes and faster (4 G?) data in Mexico and Canada. Decent prices if 55+ with multiple phones.
Didn't want to pay for roaming for half the year, so was forced to switch to T-mobile.
I always get the local 30 day plan for 41 K in Colombia (you can also get the 30 day plan with the same data but limited text/minutes, instead of unlimited text/minutes for ?31K).
If you don't like the hassle of going to a Claro company store, the Google Fi plan seems to be convenient.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2842620]I'm sure there are some work arounds for this[/QUOTE]You can get a Google Voice number. Get a Google voice number with a US cell number. Then add the Google number to the credit card / bank / etc as the primary number. Then when the company calls to verify, it should go to the Google Voice number, which you can get if you have internet data.
Only potential problem is that some of the banks / brokers / credit card companies might not work with the Google Voice number.
Does anybody know where they sell XL sized condoms? Or anything bigger than the standard size that they sell here. I've seen this question before on the forum but wasn't answered then. Hopefully somebody knows.
[QUOTE=Beobeo;2842762]What about Venezuelan refugees that have to other way to earn than working as a hooker to feed their family. I'm sure you think they can choose to go flip some burger or something else instead right?[/QUOTE]Exactly. I have met too many Venezuelan refugees that are not hookers, so I know not to believe a lie that there is no other way. What do you suppose they will do when that way runs out if what you say is true?
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2842859]Does anybody know where they sell XL sized condoms? Or anything bigger than the standard size that they sell here. I've seen this question before on the forum but wasn't answered then. Hopefully somebody knows.[/QUOTE]Most of the sex shops should have them, although the XL size aren't as large as XL sized condoms in the US.
[QUOTE=Beobeo;2842762]What about Venezuelan refugees that have to other way to earn than working as a hooker to feed their family. I'm sure you think they can choose to go flip some burger or something else instead right?[/QUOTE]Had the locals in mind. Vennies are in different category, often without support network, family and any other prospects, often just a BF and a bebe in a new land. Don't mind tipping them, not at all. And to clarify I'm talking about centro Vennies charging minimum rate, not the Poblado Vennies who quote in usd and won't budge when offered less than 300 mil. Those clearly have enough.
Strangely even though I have the contact list full of Vennies it's the Colombinas I barely know that send me the requests for money. [I]"I'm visiting my aunt pueblo and can't afford a ticket to Medellin, mor"[/I]. Here's the photo of some mountains.
One of the best one was from a chica in a club, asking to send some money, spamming nasty photos and how she'll give me a good time soon. All the while she was sitting like 3 meters from me. And didn't have a phone with her, left it at home.
[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2842739]My buddy and I decided to head out to Fase Dos last night around 11 pm. Like all places, it can be hit or miss you just got to go and check it out. Some nights you hit the jackpot and it is brimming with talent, but other nights, it sucks, with just older ugly hags playing with their phones. As we entered we scoped out the talent and sat at the bar. About 20-25 girls, but nothing that reall caught our eye. We were about to get up and leave when two hotties came bouncing through the front door, apparently late for their shift. We were going to stay a little while longer. They head to the back and change, and 20 minutes later come out hand in hand with glittery miniskirts and heels, giggling and smiling. Ohhhh my God. We quickly waved them over before anyone else swooped in on them. Daniela, a 19 yr old slender all natural beauty with that beautiful silky smooth long black hair cascading down her back and Ana, another spinner, 20 yr old, blonde with sparkling eyes and the face of an angel with smooth beautiful skin. They were from Manrique and had only been working a week. [b]Conversation was good and full of energy and we as we always do with new girls let them know that we live here in Medellin in laureles, that quickly establishes that we are not gringo tourists here on vacation only for a week and then gone. We have no time pressure to force an expensive, unfulfilling sex act in the back while they are working.[/b] We told them we had to bolt, got their Wpp numbers and set up a double date for them to come over Saturday night and we would cook for them and have some drinks. Looks like we just added two fresh new girls to the roster. Que chimba es medellin![/QUOTE]You are a true operator! Thank you my ISG brother for an actual report as this is the [B]Medellin Reports[/B].
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2842813]You have to have an internet connection to use Whatsapp. The MDE airport has free wifi, but unless you have an international data plan, you can't use Whatsapp when you leave the airport on the way to Medellin. If you're riding in a taxi or rideshare or bus, you can't use Whatsapp. You can't receive or send messages, or make calls, when you're not connected to wifi. I pay Claro 41 mil for 30 days of calls, text, and data. To me, it's well worth it.[/QUOTE]I have Google FI. I just turn on "Mobile Data" for a few minutes to do some text messages or look at a map when I do not have internet connection. Cheap and easy.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2842867]Exactly. I have met too many Venezuelan refugees that are not hookers, so I know not to believe a lie that there is no other way. What do you suppose they will do when that way runs out if what you say is true?[/QUOTE]Yea like the lady that sells the empanadas venezolanas on calle 50 or the women yelling restaurante over by hotel calle real, I've even met a maracucho taxi driver (who was more honest than many colombian taxistas) . All of them are Venezuelan immigrants but none of them are hookers.
I regret to inform you that I have been seen her off and on since '15 when she was a mansion girl and she told me I was her "first client" anal back then, LOL. So don't take what girls say for being the truth.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2818154]I've seen Angie in 2018. I give her credit she's kept her body in shape.
She is married with kids and the husband knows.
She gives a mean BBBJCIM.
When I saw her it was 250 mil. I asked for anal she said she was a virgin back there. I made her an offer she accepted and we did it.
If you're going to see her have some 420 available since she's a straight stoner.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2842787]At&t and t-mobile offer account plans that include international roaming data at no additional cost. I recommend you get one even if you already have a Colombia number. It covers you in a pinch if your Colombia service provider has an outage or your account is out of data. It of course also covers you if you travel somewhere other than Colombia.[/QUOTE]The downside to a USA phone with International service in Colombia is if its lost or stolen and the issues associated with out it, such as no two step verification, no Whatsapp, etc.
This is the risk I see for those who use them here, however for those here for short periods of time and are smart with their phones it should not be an issue, in other words keep it hidden whenever you can as if it disappears your hosed.
Seems like some like to only roll with a Colombian number here, or only a USA number, and some with both, with seems to be the ideal situation as you mention.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2842787]It covers you in a pinch if your Colombia service provider has an outage or your account is out of data.[/QUOTE]I like to keep my Claro account always loaded with plenty of funds, when I notice I have ran out data then it's just *611#, go through the menus and get a new data package, payment deducted from the account funds.
Always good idea to have a backup of course, but as far as I know the international service providers will use one of the local provider' network and infrastructure anyway, so if local network is out it'll be the same for a phone with US or any other aboard provider while roaming. I'd also imagine local SPs prioritize their own traffic before the one they rent to 3rd parties, but I don't know for sure.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2842915]I have Google FI. I just turn on "Mobile Data" for a few minutes to do some text messages or look at a map when I do not have internet connection. Cheap and easy.[/QUOTE]I have Google Fi too. The difference is with Colombia plan, you get unlimited data for WhatsApp so you can send and receive pictures anywhere, and it costs much less.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2842919]Yea like the lady that sells the empanadas venezolanas on calle 50 or the women yelling restaurante over by hotel calle real, I've even met a maracucho taxi driver (who was more honest than many colombian taxistas) . All of them are Venezuelan immigrants but none of them are hookers.[/QUOTE]There are jobs available but it is either low pay or hard labor in a farm or factory somewhere. There are many of them in Brazil too but I haven't met one that is a hooker.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2843032]There are jobs available but it is either low pay or hard labor in a farm or factory somewhere. There are many of them in Brazil too but I haven't met one that is a hooker.[/QUOTE]I agree. It sounds suspicious. Hooking is fast money. It's difficult to go from fast quick money to bone breaking work like selling street food.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2842919]I've even met a maracucho taxi driver (who was more honest than many colombian taxistas)[/QUOTE]It's been my experience that Venezolanos here are much less likely to scam / rob than locals, and majority of them are hard working decent people. It might be because they're not at home that they are on their best behavior, or might because just how they are. I don't know, never been to Venezuela, but some of my fav people that I've met here are Venezolanos.
They do like their sandals though.
I wish I could help. Unfortunately, like scent free deodorant and large size shoes, Trojan XL or Durex Comfort condoms are rare or non existent in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2842859]Does anybody know where they sell XL sized condoms? Or anything bigger than the standard size that they sell here. I've seen this question before on the forum but wasn't answered then. Hopefully somebody knows.[/QUOTE]
Unless you speak fluent Spanish without an accent they they are going to know you are not from Colombia no matter what number you call from. Everyone knows I am not from Colombia the moment I open my mouth because of my accent. They still understand me.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2842740]Since many of business, online sellers and services (putas included) won't list the prices it's prudent to inquire from a Colombian number (Can't know a price of a damn pizza without going through whole whatsapp conversation, ffs. Well, at least they are responsive most of the time).
In general though, no advantages of randos knowing you're a gringo / tourist as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]
[B]Being a prostitute is sex work[/B] It is work like any other job. Different jobs pay different money. And would make the point that independents are actual business owners providing a service.
[QUOTE=CocaCvs;2843036]I agree. It sounds suspicious. [b]Hooking is fast money[/b]. It's difficult to go from fast quick money to bone breaking work like selling street food.[/QUOTE]I was just wondering if you were speaking from the point of view of actually having experience doing sex work or just giving your opinion.
I am looking for some hotels or airbnbs that are friendly towards bringing girls without extra fees.
I know a spot in CDMX so I can share if you got good info.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2843077] they are going to know you are not from Colombia no matter what number you call from. [/QUOTE]That's why you write not call.
Only when they are leaving me voice messages talking fast Spanish is when I might tell them to write me instead.
But even not speaking perfect Spanish and having local number gives less chance of [I]random tourist, gone soon, let's-squeeze what we still can [/I] treatment.
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The many GuiaCereza sex shops in Medellin sell German-manufactured Vitalis condoms in XL Or one can order Chinese-made LifeStyles in 53 mm from Mercado Libre and they will often be delivered next day.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2843287]Then keep your mouth shut and just text.
Johhnie's advice is legit, so STFU.[/QUOTE]In order to get 'free' sex where you end up spending tons of cash on the puta you need to speak gringo Spanish not just text.
I made the logical assumption you meant written messages. Thanks for that helpful advice. It goes a long way toward preventing the Medellin forum devolving into what one of the Caribbean forums has become.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2843272]That's why you write not call.
Only when they are leaving me voice messages talking fast Spanish is when I might tell them to write me instead.
But even not speaking perfect Spanish and having local number gives less chance of [I]random tourist, gone soon, let's-squeeze what we still can [/I] treatment.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! I'm going to give that a try.
[QUOTE=Tomcat88;2843293]The many GuiaCereza sex shops in Medellin sell German-manufactured Vitalis condoms in XL Or one can order Chinese-made LifeStyles in 53 mm from Mercado Libre and they will often be delivered next day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2843068]I wish I could help. Unfortunately, like scent free deodorant and large size shoes, Trojan XL or Durex Comfort condoms are rare or non existent in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I could loan you a few Magnums I think I have a few left that I won't use.
This is a classic page from the prepago playbook. They are constantly having "first time" experiences and always just arrived for the days work at a casa or on the street. I laughed as I read this post because it made me think about how many times Centro girls I've seen an hour or more before I chat with them and they tell me they just got to the plaza.
[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2842989]I regret to inform you that I have been seen her off and on since '15 when she was a mansion girl and she told me I was her "first client" anal back then, LOL. So don't take what girls say for being the truth.[/QUOTE]
I'm good thanks. I go all boy scout on essential supplies so I don't get caught out. I appreciate the offer. We should always try to support each other.
[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2843340]I could loan you a few Magnums I think I have a few left that I won't use.[/QUOTE]
That is a good point. I keep spare SIMs I can activate via the carrier web site. I've been lucky to not have to use them so far. I once though I lost a phone but found it in my apartment right after I activated a spare SIM. Once I switched the newly activated SIM with the one I had been using my original phone was up and working again like my senior moment never happened.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2842996]The downside to a USA phone with International service in Colombia is if its lost or stolen and the issues associated with out it, such as no two step verification, no Whatsapp, etc.
This is the risk I see for those who use them here, however for those here for short periods of time and are smart with their phones it should not be an issue, in other words keep it hidden whenever you can as if it disappears your hosed.
Seems like some like to only roll with a Colombian number here, or only a USA number, and some with both, with seems to be the ideal situation as you mention.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2843272]That's why you write not call.
Only when they are leaving me voice messages talking fast Spanish is when I might tell them to write me instead.
But even not speaking perfect Spanish and having local number gives less chance of [I]random tourist, gone soon, let's-squeeze what we still can [/I] treatment.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your very reasoned and eloquent response.
For me this advice is very interesting. Because I spend most of my time in the Dominican Republic and there is is a very real risk that if you do not know how much something should cost you will not be quoted the correct amount. Although I have very little experience in Colombia, I am in business there and my business partner makes sure we are not overpaying on operational cost and capital expenditures. But even in stores, restaurants and the streets I have found the individuals running those business to be fair and have not engaged in price gouging. How do I know? I check with my business partner afterwards. And so far I have gotten confirmation that the amounts I paid for the item or service was a fair market price.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2843287][b]Then keep your mouth shut and just text.
Johhnie's advice is legit, so STFU[/b].[/QUOTE]I never said that I thought your advice was unsound. But I still don't see the need for a Colombian number unless I need to make outgoing calls. Then I will just add another E-sim to my iPhone 14 Pro Max 512 GB and and turn it on and off when I am in Colombia. The same way I do for my number I use in the Dominican Republic.
Quick update for stays at Energy.
They're starting to ask the girls to have the guys bring them back down when they're done. Girl told me it's because of an incident with a Lleras girl that scoped a guy and robbed him then left.
On my first night I brought a girl back down and left with her (separate directions) and security didn't see so they Whatsapped me to see if the girl had left.
I appreciate this added level of security, and it is one of the reasons why I pay extra to stay at Energy.
[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2843433]Quick update for stays at Energy.
They're starting to ask the girls to have the guys bring them back down when they're done. Girl told me it's because of an incident with a Lleras girl that scoped a guy and robbed him then left.
On my first night I brought a girl back down and left with her (separate directions) and security didn't see so they Whatsapped me to see if the girl had left.
I appreciate this added level of security, and it is one of the reasons why I pay extra to stay at Energy.[/QUOTE]This is becoming a norm amongst many of the Hi rise condos in poblado. Last Teo I stayed at the girl even told me when they arrived "you have to escort me down when I leave" more then happy to have this policy. Even more fun to give Hi fives to security knowing I smashed a smoke show.
[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2843433]Quick update for stays at Energy.
They're starting to ask the girls to have the guys bring them back down when they're done. Girl told me it's because of an incident with a Lleras girl that scoped a guy and robbed him then left.
On my first night I brought a girl back down and left with her (separate directions) and security didn't see so they Whatsapped me to see if the girl had left.
I appreciate this added level of security, and it is one of the reasons why I pay extra to stay at Energy.[/QUOTE]I don't understand how girls manage to steal a man from their room? About me, I always go to the hotel, and even if I was in an apartment, I always put my important things like money, passport, my phone, camera, in a safety box and if not There aren't any, I put them in my completely closed suitcase with a code to open the suitcase. I have never had a problem.
[QUOTE=Clone8884;2843196]I am looking for some hotels or airbnbs that are friendly towards bringing girls without extra fees.
I know a spot in CDMX so I can share if you got good info.[/QUOTE]I'm at hotel biminimal in laureles they are fine with chicas as long as they don't spend the night. If they do spend the night it's 13 usd.
[QUOTE=Gilolo;2843492]I don't understand how girls manage to steal a man from their room? About me, I always go to the hotel, and even if I was in an apartment, I always put my important things like money, passport, my phone, camera, in a safety box and if not There aren't any, I put them in my completely closed suitcase with a code to open the suitcase. I have never had a problem.[/QUOTE]You really need to do some research on the effects of the drug the girls use. What it does is make you completly being without will. She will say to you { Amore please open the safe } {Or Bebe lets go to the ATM. } You will gladly do what she asks you to do. Now if she gives you too strong of a dose then you will pass out and if it does not kill you then the locks you have will protect you.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2843587]You really need to do some research on the effects of the drug the girls use. What it does is make you completly being without will. She will say to you { Amore please open the safe } {Or Bebe lets go to the ATM. } You will gladly do what she asks you to do.....[/QUOTE]Hold on, if she says here take this dildo and fuck yourself while I film you, the scoped guy will do it? Then these girls could blackmail threatening to publish and ensure themselves of continuous paydays.
Every day, YouTube suckers post 4-5 HD videos about Lleras Park, notably girls standing in front of HOOKAH store. I don't want anyone to catch me when I'm talking to girls. It appears that hookah shop is the only place to find girls.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2843404]But even in stores, restaurants and the streets I have found the individuals running those business to be fair and have not engaged in price gouging.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have found most / all of those type of establishments to be fair. Definitely not like Vietnam.
But I have found numerous night club and all strip club waiters and a large percentage of taxi drivers to be rip off MFers.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2843587]What it does is make you completly being without will. She will say to you { Amore please open the safe } {Or Bebe lets go to the ATM. } You will gladly do what she asks you to do.[/QUOTE]Wow! All the efforts the CIA experimented on truth serums, and they could have just used the scope! LOL!
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2843587]You really need to do some research on the effects of the drug the girls use. What it does is make you completly being without will. She will say to you { Amore please open the safe } {Or Bebe lets go to the ATM. } You will gladly do what she asks you to do. Now if she gives you too strong of a dose then you will pass out and if it does not kill you then the locks you have will protect you.[/QUOTE]I think that effect varies, but it does make some folks a lot more compliant. I hear of video monitors showing guys helping to carry stuff out of their apartments for the thieves. But some that have been scoped don't end up being very helpful. At least they don't find that they have revealed pin numbers and some things once they come out from under the effects of the drug.
The drug has been tested as a truth serum etc. And appears not to have been as useful as the stories might suggest.
[QUOTE=Gilolo;2843492]I don't understand how girls manage to steal a man from their room? About me, I always go to the hotel, and even if I was in an apartment, I always put my important things like money, passport, my phone, camera, in a safety box and if not There aren't any, I put them in my completely closed suitcase with a code to open the suitcase. I have never had a problem.[/QUOTE]Scoped is short for being drugged with scopolamine. If that happens the security in your hotel room might not help a lot as the girl might have a couple of days to get you at the right level of being drugged that you may have given up your codes or whatever. Or not. But they also have time to pry open a suitcase of get some on line help from friends as to how to open your safe. You essentially are helpless when under the influence of the drug and probably a bit unconcerned about what is going on around you, if not unconcious.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2843618]Hold on, if she says here take this dildo and fuck yourself while I film you, the scoped guy will do it? Then these girls could blackmail threatening to publish and ensure themselves of continuous paydays.[/QUOTE]I will take your comment as it is given. There are many wise remarks I could make, but lets just say that it could happen except they are not long term players. All they want to do is get your goods and then hit the trail.
[QUOTE=Jicks;2843649]Every day, YouTube suckers post 4-5 HD videos about Lleras Park, notably girls standing in front of HOOKAH store. I don't want anyone to catch me when I'm talking to girls. It appears that hookah shop is the only place to find girls.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head. For a guy who has to be careful these Clowns are so greedy to get likes that they don't care who they hurt. Myself I'm more concerned with all the Jokers coming to MDE in droves. Getting to be where I feel like to bring one of those portable chairs as I wait forever to get thru Customs in MDE.
[QUOTE=Jicks;2843649]Every day, YouTube suckers post 4-5 HD videos about Lleras Park, notably girls standing in front of HOOKAH store. I don't want anyone to catch me when I'm talking to girls. It appears that hookah shop is the only place to find girls.[/QUOTE]Of course there is no privacy; you are in public.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2843673]I think that effect varies, but it does make some folks a lot more compliant. I hear of video monitors showing guys helping to carry stuff out of their apartments for the thieves. But some that have been scoped don't end up being very helpful. At least they don't find that they have revealed pin numbers and some things once they come out from under the effects of the drug.
The drug has been tested as a truth serum etc. And appears not to have been as useful as the stories might suggest.[/QUOTE]I read a few articles about the effects of being scoped, and it is not the way some are saying. The CIA actually spent a lot of time and money testing it as a truth serum, and in the end, it didn't work the way they expected. If this drug is so powerful that you will answer questions that you don't want to answer, believe me, the CIA would have used it on the terrorists but they didn't because it doesn't work that way.
It lowers your inhibitions the same way that being drunk does. Yes, it does knock you out which is the intended purpose. You may answer what your pin number is because you are dazed and confused but no different than if you were drunk.
There is actually 1973 study by the USA Army on the effects of the drug on subjects. I read it quickly but it said subjects were disconnected as if they were daydreaming and their answers were confused.
I think it is a myth that you lose your free will and you will answer all questions. You are just in a state of confusion as if you were drunk or high. If you are the type of person who gives out your ATM pin if you are drunk, then you will probably do the same thing if you are scoped. I tend not to be type of person but that's just me.
Planning a trip to Medellin mid Sept. Let me know if you are going to be there.
It sounds like it is Facebook and maybe clubs that work. Are there any websites you would recommend? Do dating websites or apps work?
Those are good practices. I recokon you also avoid getting blackout drunk and / or high around the girls. Thank you for setting a good example.
[QUOTE=Gilolo;2843492]I don't understand how girls manage to steal a man from their room? About me, I always go to the hotel, and even if I was in an apartment, I always put my important things like money, passport, my phone, camera, in a safety box and if not There aren't any, I put them in my completely closed suitcase with a code to open the suitcase. I have never had a problem.[/QUOTE]
The substance that shows up most commonly in toxicology tests is Benzodiazepine and its variants. It is scary as fuck that guys are getting this shit dripped into their drinkks.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2843587]You really need to do some research on the effects of the drug the girls use. What it does is make you completly being without will. She will say to you { Amore please open the safe } {Or Bebe lets go to the ATM. } You will gladly do what she asks you to do. Now if she gives you too strong of a dose then you will pass out and if it does not kill you then the locks you have will protect you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328]I've been posted here in a while but I've been here for over 10 years and the same reoccurring theme. We can have three pages of people arguing over 10,000 pesos for a taxi ride from the airport. These girls are dirt fucking poor they don't have hot water. Have you ever seen the inside of their houses? Why brag that you got them for cheap offer free. I always give them money because $50 is nothing to me $100 is nothing if a girl truly wants to hang out with me. I will tell her I'm not paying you for sex if we have chemistry and we have sex. Of course I will help you. There's plenty of regular girls or semi pro is whatever you call them, but those Facebook girls are ruined for life. The young ones everybody just takes advantage of them they eventually get smarter. Why do people brag that they got them for free or for $40 when you're making 50 to 100,000 a year you could change their life forever with $1000 but instead you come out here and you brag, how are you manipulated and took advantage of some dirt poor barrio girl who is future is nothing but fatherless children death and robbery. Why'all got a wake up.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the jungle my friend, eat or be eaten. Go start handing out $1 k to "better their poor barrio lives" and see what that gets you, smh, some people got to learn the hard way.
The day I start handing out 1 k to people in Colombia is the day I start sucking sick in Colombia.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328]Why do people brag that they got them for free or for $40 when you're making 50 to 100,000 a year you could change their life forever with $1000 but instead you come out here and you brag, how are you manipulated and took advantage of some dirt poor barrio girl who is future is nothing but fatherless children death and robbery. Why'all got a wake up.[/QUOTE]Why don't you support poor old people with your money and only young, hot girls? If you want to be their simp and gringo-wallet that's fine but stop shaming other men what they do with their money. 40 $+ is fair price for sex taking into consideration they give it away for free to all local thugs and scumbags who pay 0 $. If girl is making sex with you daily that's 1200 $ just from one customer.
That's nice, tax free salary in Colombia (5 x of min wage). To make min Columbian wage (250 $) she is just need to make sex 6 times, that's very little effort for something other women who work low paid jobs like cleaning, farming, retail or food processing are paid for whole month of hard work.
'You could change their life forever with $1000. ' I appreciate you decided to make us laugh but it's not clown gathering.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328]I've been posted here in a while but I've been here for over 10 years and the same reoccurring theme. We can have three pages of people arguing over 10,000 pesos for a taxi ride from the airport. These girls are dirt fucking poor they don't have hot water. Have you ever seen the inside of their houses? Why brag that you got them for cheap offer free. I always give them money because $50 is nothing to me $100 is nothing if a girl truly wants to hang out with me. I will tell her I'm not paying you for sex if we have chemistry and we have sex. Of course I will help you. There's plenty of regular girls or semi pro is whatever you call them, but those Facebook girls are ruined for life. The young ones everybody just takes advantage of them they eventually get smarter. Why do people brag that they got them for free or for $40 when you're making 50 to 100,000 a year you could change their life forever with $1000 but instead you come out here and you brag, how are you manipulated and took advantage of some dirt poor barrio girl who is future is nothing but fatherless children death and robbery. Why'all got a wake up.[/QUOTE]Another person telling us how we should spend our money, saying that we should give these girls more money than agreed upon. I disagree that $1000 to these girls would change their life forever. That money would be spend so quickly, that a few weeks later, she would be back trying to find another customer. But more to the point, giving $1000 to each girl you see is tremendously expensive. Are we mongers or charities? Are we responsible for improving the lives of these girls who don't really care about us? But then you also mention $50 which is not very much for a session and $100 for a longer session which is close to the going rate for longer sessions or all night. You complain about guys paying $40 when you're paying $50 which isn't that much more.
To each his own. It's your money, spend it however you want. Don't let anyone tell you how to spend your own money especially a complete stranger who doesn't even know your situation.
It is not reasonable to expect privacy if you engage girls in Parque Lleras. Besides the hordes of youtubers who will exaggerate everything they see and show, the place is smothered in private and city surveillance cameras. It is not a place to go for low key fun.
[QUOTE=Jicks;2843649]Every day, YouTube suckers post 4-5 HD videos about Lleras Park, notably girls standing in front of HOOKAH store. I don't want anyone to catch me when I'm talking to girls. It appears that hookah shop is the only place to find girls.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2843806]That money would be spend so quickly, that a few weeks later, she would be back trying to find another customer.
To each his own. It's your money, spend it however you want. Don't let anyone tell you how to spend your own money especially a complete stranger who doesn't even know your situation.[/QUOTE]Agree with these snippets.
This goes for women anywhere in the world as I have had girlfriends from Netherlands and CR and Colombia and Mexico and of course the USA.
If a girl is not taught financial literacy and the value of a dollar, that $1000 will be gone in a week and she will be right back at starting point.
If she does know and was taught the value of a buck, she is probably not in this business very long if at all. Reasoning they are not desperate to earn, because they don't burn.
Also, plenty of these girls are getting money from different sources for different reasons. They play the game better than you would think.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2843339]Thanks! I'm going to give that a try.[/QUOTE]The Vitalis XL condoms aren't Magnum sized, but they're a bit larger than the standard. I've still got a 1 or 2 somewhere.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2842328]... Have you ever seen the inside of their houses? ... you could change their life forever with $1000 ....[/QUOTE]I have been and seen the all their belonging washed away during mud slide. Last time I went to visit a girl is to take her to ride metro to my place. She said "no metro" the moment I entered her place. I offered her 50 mil to take metro with me to my place. It's not a one time deal, it would be a few times a week while I was there. There was another 18 yr old girl said she did not have money because her period was just over. I told her I would pick her up at the station if she took metro to my place, and I would give her some money. She came but her mother gave her 10 mil to take the taxi, and I paid 5 mil because the cost was 15 mil. I took her to a restaurant to have dinner than gave her some money to go home. She took a taxi home. She then turned around to ask my wingman the same. Maybe there is a good one somewhere know that people are trying to help them and know to do the right thing, but so far I have not encountered one yet.
I think many would help if any of these girls life could be changed permanently by $1000. Why not?
Yes, I'll be there around the same time -- Sept 13-21 in my case. Also my first visit. Would be good to meet up and compare notes.
[QUOTE=BowieBlueEyes;2843699]Planning a trip to Medellin mid Sept. Let me know if you are going to be there.
It sounds like it is Facebook and maybe clubs that work. Are there any websites you would recommend? Do dating websites or apps work?[/QUOTE]
I can tell you a few years ago I dated an utr working girl. And as many of you know I always side with the guys who spend more not less but in this instance I will tell you that not even 10 k will change their lives. They'll be broke within a month or two. And I know this from personal experience.
The amount really doesn't matter.
100 k could go just as fast. They'll buy car phone surgeries clothes bags and it'll all be gone poof.
What they won't do is something smart like start a business or buy a house.
This is the sad reality of hookers here.
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[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2843775]Welcome to the jungle my friend, eat or be eaten. Go start handing out $1 k to "better their poor barrio lives" and see what that gets you, smh, some people got to learn the hard way.[/QUOTE]He would be kidnapped so fast and all his money drained.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2843958]I have been and seen the all their belonging washed away during mud slide. Last time I went to visit a girl is to take her to ride metro to my place. She said "no metro" the moment I entered her place. I offered her 50 mil to take metro with me to my place. It's not a one time deal, it would be a few times a week while I was there. There was another 18 yr old girl said she did not have money because her period was just over. I told her I would pick her up at the station if she took metro to my place, and I would give her some money. She came but her mother gave her 10 mil to take the taxi, and I paid 5 mil because the cost was 15 mil. I took her to a restaurant to have dinner than gave her some money to go home. She took a taxi home. She then turned around to ask my wingman the same. Maybe there is a good one somewhere know that people are trying to help them and know to do the right thing, but so far I have not encountered one yet.
I think many would help if any of these girls life could be changed permanently by $1000. Why not?[/QUOTE]Everybody's butt hurt especially the passport bros they think I'm handing out hundred dollar bills and they're insulted because they are cheapskates. That's why they take it personal I'm saying $1000 will change their life I would never give them $1000. How about 50 or $75 instead of using there Naked photos as a trophy cheapskates .
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[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2844004]He would be kidnapped so fast and all his money drained.[/QUOTE]Like I said, some got to learn the hard way.
I spent 10 days in Medellin in August and just came back. It was my first trip and overall it went very well. Some background info I am in my late 20's and speak decent spanish. I have been to Mexico a few time but never to Colombia. This forum helped me so I am giving back. I will try to be brief but know that this is my experience as a newbie and other people might have different experiences.
_ Huge amount of women willing to pay for play. It blows my mind how almost any women whose number I took (waitresses, students, girls seen outside) will entertain pay for play. Regular dates are also much easier to secure with beautiful women.
_ Gusto: Went to Gusto a Saturday night. It was overrated. One drink cost me 80000 pesos, more expensive than NYC. Also there is a cover charge. Girls were all hardened pros. Washed up and past their prime with tons of make up and botched surgery, not my style. They are all colluding to push for 300 usd which seems to work: saw some drunk gringos getting played. They spoke no spanish and used the translator app to communicate. Only girl I liked was the waitress so took her number and smashed the next day. Went there another time towards the end of my trip and once again talent is surprisingly lacking for the prices quoted. My friend found what he liked and negotiated down to 200 usd for an overnight.
_ Outside in Lleras Park is very mixed. Some hot girls and also some girls I would never touch. I spent a few hours at night just people watching and observing: most girls were getting 0 business. Not what I expected. Could see a few gringos that obviously wanted girls but they are shy and didn't approach the hot girls in group. They got accosted by washed up sharks instead, it was obvious they didn't like the girl but still went with her. Maybe too much in a hurry to get laid and too shy to approach the girls in groups? So tip is don't be shy and talk to the girls you like. I talked to the girls I found hot and got quotes and numbers. I always called their bluff: they would start with quotes around 300 - 500 mil but I always managed to take them to the 150 mil - 250 mil range.
I only went with one Lleras girl the whole trip, a hot 20 yo Venezuelan. Snatched her from her group and took her to a nearby bar. Negotiated what I wanted and agreed to 250 mil. She gave great service and stayed around 3 hours. I took many numbers but truth is Seeking and FB kept me busy and I only had 10 days this trip.
_ Facebook is indeed a gold mine. It has served me well. Girls will quote extravagant rates to gringos but call their bluff. I made two prepagos friends and they showed me the other side of the coin: business is slow. I don't like to cheap out but when I negotiate I almost always manage to take them to 150-250 mil + transport. Quotes are arbitrary: this hot 18 yo morena ended up staying a whole day with me for 250 mil and took me partying with her friend group (dangerous but against my better judgement) in a night club with only locals. She showed me her FB and she literally got some gringo in his 50's to agree to 700 mil pesos for an hour. She would have accepted 400 mil if he negotiated. So yeah price differences are wild.
I met around 4 FB girls and all were great. Most I paid was 400 mil for a night and lowest was 150 mil for a few hours. All gave great service and felt like semi-pros and took their time. One of the girl was not a prepago but eventually managed to convince her to go to a "date" with me. No price negotiated but gave her 300 mil after the night. I think it's fair to give her a little bit of money because I have no intention of becoming her novio.
_ Seeking also works well. Girls tend to quote higher. Paid 200 k for one and 300 k for the other. Worth it to me still: they were both students and showed me a good time. Girls tend to be more "upper class" in Seeking: FB has more girls from Bello, Itagui and poor neighborhoods. The girls I met in Seeking were students and seemed more classy in the way they dressed, spoke and also how they behaved in restaurants. I agreed to 500 mil for a girl that was really hot and it was worth it. 21 yo student that ended up being my favorite experience for this trip. It was actually a pleasure taking her to a high end restaurant and hanging out with her. Repeated with her on the last day of my trip and this is one I will be seeing again when I come back.
_ Loutron: Went once and I think it is overrated. Girls weren't that pretty and service is non GFE and rushed. Picked one that was a 7 since nothing better was there. Might just be my experience but for the same price termas in Brazil and FKKs in Germany blow it out the water. Even HK in Tijuana had much better looking girls. The mansion and the setting look great though. Just doesn't make any sense for me to pay 400 mil for girls that I don't even find that attractive when there is so much better out there. Felt a bit like Gusto: I was told pre-trip this is where the 10's hang out and I can say I didn't see any in these places. Not even a 9.
_ La Isla: Seems to be the most expensive spot in town (apart from Gusto scammers) but at least girls were hot and diverse in looks and styles. Went at night around 11 PM and there was a huge amount of girls of all types. I paid the cover charge and got a beer then made the round around the various tables where the girls were seated. Chatted and took the numbers of the girls I found hot then went with one that was a 9 in my book. Stereotypical tall, thick colombian look with pretty face. I don't like surgery but hers was small and not over the top. 550 mil is the price for the girl in the club with room included, no room for negotiation. Expensive but unlike in Loutron I felt like I got my money worth. Negotiated full GFE before: unlike in Loutron you have time to buy the girl a drink establish rapport and negotiate what you want.
_ So far one civie "GF" type that doesn't want money (at least for now). Usually spend the day going out with her then use prepagos at night. Met her in provenza and took her number. She speaks a bit of english and wants practice. Civie dating is worth it in Colombia but didn't have time to fully explore this option. Anyway thanks for the guys here who recommended the provenza area to find hot civies. It worked pretty well for me: a lot were with their boyfriends but the single ones responded positively when I talked to them. Could only go on dates with one because of time but will be back on my next trip.
I also did a lot of touristy stuff like spending a day in Guatape with a girl, visiting Communa 13 and other spots. I did some stuff that were ill advised safety wise like going to party with the prepago friends I made far away from Poblado but it ended up going well. Met and talked to a bunch of colombians away from the tourist hot spot of Poblado and also got to see how they live and party. Getting off the beaten path has worked out this time and I had a lot of great experiences but again not the wisest safety wise.
Thanks for the great report. Medellin is amazing and most people are nicer. Agree FB is where you find most of the girls and I stick to it. I even found few girls that actually speak English. Enough to have a conversation.
[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2844155]I spent 10 days in Medellin in August and just came back. It was my first trip and overall it went very well. Some background info I am in my late 20's and speak decent spanish. I have been to Mexico a few time but never to Colombia. This forum helped me so I am giving back. I will try to be brief but know that this is my experience as a newbie and other people might have different experiences.
_ Huge amount of women willing to pay for play. It blows my mind how almost any women whose number I took (waitresses, students, girls seen outside) will entertain pay for play. Regular dates are also much easier to secure with beautiful women.
_ Gusto: Went to Gusto a Saturday night. It was overrated. One drink cost me 80000 pesos, more expensive than NYC. Also there is a cover charge. Girls were all hardened pros. Washed up and past their prime with tons of make up and botched surgery, not my style. They are all colluding to push for 300 usd which seems to work: saw some drunk gringos getting played. They spoke no spanish and used the translator app to communicate. Only girl I liked was the waitress so took her number and smashed the next day. Went there another time towards the end of my trip and once again talent is surprisingly lacking for the prices quoted. My friend found what he liked and negotiated down to 200 usd for an overnight.
_ Outside in Lleras Park is very mixed. Some hot girls and also some girls I would never touch. I spent a few hours at night just people watching and observing: most girls were getting 0 business. Not what I expected. Could see a few gringos that obviously wanted girls but they are shy and didn't approach the hot girls in group. They got accosted by washed up sharks instead, it was obvious they didn't like the girl but still went with her. Maybe too much in a hurry to get laid and too shy to approach the girls in groups? So tip is don't be shy and talk to the girls you like. I talked to the girls I found hot and got quotes and numbers. I always called their bluff: they would start with quotes around 300 - 500 mil but I always managed to take them to the 150 mil - 250 mil range.
I only went with one Lleras girl the whole trip, a hot 20 yo Venezuelan. Snatched her from her group and took her to a nearby bar. Negotiated what I wanted and agreed to 250 mil. She gave great service and stayed around 3 hours. I took many numbers but truth is Seeking and FB kept me busy and I only had 10 days this trip.
_ Facebook is indeed a gold mine. It has served me well. Girls will quote extravagant rates to gringos but call their bluff. I made two prepagos friends and they showed me the other side of the coin: business is slow. I don't like to cheap out but when I negotiate I almost always manage to take them to 150-250 mil + transport. Quotes are arbitrary: this hot 18 yo morena ended up staying a whole day with me for 250 mil and took me partying with her friend group (dangerous but against my better judgement) in a night club with only locals. She showed me her FB and she literally got some gringo in his 50's to agree to 700 mil pesos for an hour. She would have accepted 400 mil if he negotiated. So yeah price differences are wild.
I met around 4 FB girls and all were great. Most I paid was 400 mil for a night and lowest was 150 mil for a few hours. All gave great service and felt like semi-pros and took their time. One of the girl was not a prepago but eventually managed to convince her to go to a "date" with me. No price negotiated but gave her 300 mil after the night. I think it's fair to give her a little bit of money because I have no intention of becoming her novio.
_ Seeking also works well. Girls tend to quote higher. Paid 200 k for one and 300 k for the other. Worth it to me still: they were both students and showed me a good time. Girls tend to be more "upper class" in Seeking: FB has more girls from Bello, Itagui and poor neighborhoods. The girls I met in Seeking were students and seemed more classy in the way they dressed, spoke and also how they behaved in restaurants. I agreed to 500 mil for a girl that was really hot and it was worth it. 21 yo student that ended up being my favorite experience for this trip. It was actually a pleasure taking her to a high end restaurant and hanging out with her. Repeated with her on the last day of my trip and this is one I will be seeing again when I come back.
_ Loutron: Went once and I think it is overrated. Girls weren't that pretty and service is non GFE and rushed. Picked one that was a 7 since nothing better was there. Might just be my experience but for the same price termas in Brazil and FKKs in Germany blow it out the water. Even HK in Tijuana had much better looking girls. The mansion and the setting look great though. Just doesn't make any sense for me to pay 400 mil for girls that I don't even find that attractive when there is so much better out there. Felt a bit like Gusto: I was told pre-trip this is where the 10's hang out and I can say I didn't see any in these places. Not even a 9.
_ La Isla: Seems to be the most expensive spot in town (apart from Gusto scammers) but at least girls were hot and diverse in looks and styles. Went at night around 11 PM and there was a huge amount of girls of all types. I paid the cover charge and got a beer then made the round around the various tables where the girls were seated. Chatted and took the numbers of the girls I found hot then went with one that was a 9 in my book. Stereotypical tall, thick colombian look with pretty face. I don't like surgery but hers was small and not over the top. 550 mil is the price for the girl in the club with room included, no room for negotiation. Expensive but unlike in Loutron I felt like I got my money worth. Negotiated full GFE before: unlike in Loutron you have time to buy the girl a drink establish rapport and negotiate what you want.
_ So far one civie "GF" type that doesn't want money (at least for now). Usually spend the day going out with her then use prepagos at night. Met her in provenza and took her number. She speaks a bit of english and wants practice. Civie dating is worth it in Colombia but didn't have time to fully explore this option. Anyway thanks for the guys here who recommended the provenza area to find hot civies. It worked pretty well for me: a lot were with their boyfriends but the single ones responded positively when I talked to them. Could only go on dates with one because of time but will be back on my next trip.
I also did a lot of touristy stuff like spending a day in Guatape with a girl, visiting Communa 13 and other spots. I did some stuff that were ill advised safety wise like going to party with the prepago friends I made far away from Poblado but it ended up going well. Met and talked to a bunch of colombians away from the tourist hot spot of Poblado and also got to see how they live and party. Getting off the beaten path has worked out this time and I had a lot of great experiences but again not the wisest safety wise.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2844155]....... Even HK in Tijuana had much better looking girls. ......[/QUOTE]Great report. I always enjoy reading the young uns having a good time. Interesting comparison between Loutrons and HK in Tijuana both of which I have frequented. I have consistently had hotter chicas in Loutrons. However, my last trip to HK was in 2010. Perhaps I need to revisit that establishment.
Got to learn from you. I never really negotiate. And I never really talk to local girls that aren't strictly in a p4 p setting. I've just had bad experiences in the states where girls reject me left and right. But if you're saying it's that easy here I'll give it a shot. I'm in Bogotá en and I live where there are a lot of university students. Got to get into the Facebook and seeking arrangements game. If you're getting those prices. I always thought it would be too expensive. But 500 k for a really decent girl I would take. What interesting tho is that they stay for more than an hour for you.
I feel you're really tall and foreign. Looking. And really good at talking to people. Because you're having crazy success.
Like I've never tried to talk to the gusta waitress (she's hotter then the working girls) because one time I did try to talk to her and she ignored me and referred me to the bartender dude to order a drink.
[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2844155]I spent 10 days in Medellin in August and just came back. It was my first trip and overall it went very well. Some background info I am in my late 20's and speak decent spanish. I have been to Mexico a few time but never to Colombia. This forum helped me so I am giving back. I will try to be brief but know that this is my experience as a newbie and other people might have different experiences.
_ Huge amount of women willing to pay for play. It blows my mind how almost any women whose number I took (waitresses, students, girls seen outside) will entertain pay for play. Regular dates are also much easier to secure with beautiful women.
_ Gusto: Went to Gusto a Saturday night. It was overrated. One drink cost me 80000 pesos, more expensive than NYC. Also there is a cover charge. Girls were all hardened pros. Washed up and past their prime with tons of make up and botched surgery, not my style. They are all colluding to push for 300 usd which seems to work: saw some drunk gringos getting played. They spoke no spanish and used the translator app to communicate. Only girl I liked was the waitress so took her number and smashed the next day. Went there another time towards the end of my trip and once again talent is surprisingly lacking for the prices quoted. My friend found what he liked and negotiated down to 200 usd for an overnight...[/QUOTE]
You overlooked the most important criteria, which is fluency in Spanish. I'm having trouble texting in Spanish. Is there a way to auto-translate discussions from English to Spanish and vice versa?
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2844235]Got to learn from you. I never really negotiate. And I never really talk to local girls that aren't strictly in a p4 p setting. I've just had bad experiences in the states where girls reject me left and right. But if you're saying it's that easy here I'll give it a shot. I'm in Bogot en and I live where there are a lot of university students. Got to get into the Facebook and seeking arrangements game. If you're getting those prices. I always thought it would be too expensive. But 500 k for a really decent girl I would take. What interesting tho is that they stay for more than an hour for you.
I feel you're really tall and foreign. Looking. And really good at talking to people. Because you're having crazy success.
Like I've never tried to talk to the gusta waitress (she's hotter then the working girls) because one time I did try to talk to her and she ignored me and referred me to the bartender dude to order a drink.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844026]Everybody's butt hurt especially the passport bros they think I'm handing out hundred dollar bills and they're insulted because they are cheapskates. That's why they take it personal I'm saying $1000 will change their life I would never give them $1000. How about 50 or $75 instead of using there Naked photos as a trophy cheapskates .[/QUOTE]Nobody is butt hurt. Everyone is just repeating the same fact:
$1,000 will not change any of those girl's lives.
Unless they are childless and one of the unemployed boys in their neighborhood knocks them up while helping them blow through the money.
The girls whose lives might be changed by $1000 are already in the process of changing their lives. They are saving money, getting an education and developing a workable plan for the future. For them, the money would just get them there a little faster.
[QUOTE=Jicks;2844276]You overlooked the most important criteria, which is fluency in Spanish. I'm having trouble texting in Spanish. Is there a way to auto-translate discussions from English to Spanish and vice versa?[/QUOTE]On Android phones, Google's GBoard Keyboard and Microsoft's keyboard both support real-time translation; making it easy to write in Englisha and send in Spanish.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2844304]Nobody is butt hurt. Everyone is just repeating the same fact:
$1,000 will not change any of those girl's lives.
Unless they are childless and one of the unemployed boys in their neighborhood knocks them up while helping them blow through the money.[/QUOTE]They could also OD from too much tussi and / or get beaten up and sliced while being robbed for all that cash. So I guess technically yes, one could change their lives with $1000.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2844304]Nobody is butt hurt. Everyone is just repeating the same fact: $1,000 will not change any of those girl's lives. The girls whose lives might be changed by $1000 are already in the process of changing their lives. They are saving money, getting an education and developing a workable plan for the future. For them, the money would just get them there a little faster.[/QUOTE]The other week ago I was in Rio fucking a hooker. I asked her if she was not doing this what would she be doing. She had absolutely no idea. No dreams or aspirational at all. Like you said the people that plan on doing something different already have a plan to do something different.
For those who have been successful at getting to know woman through FB, I have a question. I created a profile months ago, and have been slowly adding woman. I have 77 "friends" so far. I haven't talked with anyone yet. Some clearly are bots or something, or may be just selling content it seems.
My question is, do you also add guys? As I said, I currently have 77 woman friends and only send friend requests to woman. Is that what you also do?
I'm guessing if that's the case is just too obvious what I'm looking for. No?
[QUOTE=Jicks;2844276]You overlooked the most important criteria, which is fluency in Spanish. I'm having trouble texting in Spanish. Is there a way to auto-translate discussions from English to Spanish and vice versa?[/QUOTE]I'm Hispanic and look Hispanic but people can tell I'm not from Colombia if they give me another look. I speak Spanish well but I have a different accent. Who knows maybe this guy is just really good with the ladies and not just with his wallet. The girls might see it as wow I would do him for free but he's paying me? Nice bonus!
Either way I aspire to be like him / make so much money I can do anyone I want.
At the end of the day we all pay for it somehow.
Hax.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2844304]Nobody is butt hurt. Everyone is just repeating the same fact:
$1,000 will not change any of those girl's lives.
Unless they are childless and one of the unemployed boys in their neighborhood knocks them up while helping them blow through the money.
The girls whose lives might be changed by $1000 are already in the process of changing their lives. They are saving money, getting an education and developing a workable plan for the future. For them, the money would just get them there a little faster.[/QUOTE]It does work 1 thousand dollars could pay the rent for quite a few months. I've done it with my girlfriend and I put her in beauty school in El Centro. She's working in the salon now. Everybody missed the point of what I said they thought I was telling him to be a Simp and throw money around. I'm just saying the narrative here is saving nine dollars for a taxi coming back from the airport taking two different buses and taking advantage of young girls because you think they are working girls and they need to be treated like that. Just give them the $75. I understand you want to think that they are with you because they like you that's fine get them there for that purpose, but give them the money anyway. I've been living here for 12 years so there's not too many people they were going to tell me how to run my life. And I'm not telling you how to spend your money but don't take advantage of these girls. Just because you can! Does anybody agree with that?
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2844592]For those who have been successful at getting to know woman through FB, I have a question. I created a profile months ago, and have been slowly adding woman. I have 77 "friends" so far. I haven't talked with anyone yet. Some clearly are bots or something, or may be just selling content it seems.
My question is, do you also add guys? As I said, I currently have 77 woman friends and only send friend requests to woman. Is that what you also do?
I'm guessing if that's the case is just too obvious what I'm looking for. No?[/QUOTE]I recommend make sure the Facebook profile is not connected to your real life or your legitimate life. Whatever you want to call it. I never added men to mine, but that will help you get into the algorithm. If you have friends with common interest. Once you start adding the girls, they will come to you. You will see them in the front suggestions go through the photos look for them in Gringo Apartments Jacuzzis and things like that they have a lot of Gringo's clicking on their photos you know that you're in the game.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844628]I recommend make sure the Facebook profile is not connected to your real life or your legitimate life. Whatever you want to call it. I never added men to mine, but that will help you get into the algorithm. If you have friends with common interest. Once you start adding the girls, they will come to you. You will see them in the front suggestions go through the photos look for them in Gringo Apartments Jacuzzis and things like that they have a lot of Gringo's clicking on their photos you know that you're in the game.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply and the tips. I already got one's phone number, so I think I'm getting there.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844627]It does work 1 thousand dollars could pay the rent for quite a few months. I've done it with my girlfriend and I put her in beauty school in El Centro. She's working in the salon now. ... Does anybody agree with that?[/QUOTE]I agree with all the points you made. Of course there are many who have no plans for the future and any amount won't change their life, but that's everywhere. Just look at the welfare state in the US.
I can't believe we are debating running around Colombia passing out 1 k cash to people. That's the equivalent to running around America passing out 10 k to everyone. One thing I've learned in my old age, is you can't save the world. The world is screwed up. There is a type of genetic lottery: where were you born, who your parents are, are you a great athlete, are you good looking, what trauma were you exposed too when you were a kid, it's really endless. All these things contribute to what we become. Warren Buffett said he was lucky when he was born in 1930, it was in America, he was white and male. Any of those things been different, he doesn't get to use his skill set to become a billionaire. Lebron James is similar. If was born in 1800 instead of today, his life would have turned out completely different.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844627]It does work 1 thousand dollars could pay the rent for quite a few months. I've done it with my girlfriend and I put her in beauty school in El Centro. She's working in the salon now. Everybody missed the point of what I said they thought I was telling him to be a Simp and throw money around. I'm just saying the narrative here is saving nine dollars for a taxi coming back from the airport taking two different buses and taking advantage of young girls because you think they are working girls and they need to be treated like that. Just give them the $75. I understand you want to think that they are with you because they like you that's fine get them there for that purpose, but give them the money anyway. I've been living here for 12 years so there's not too many people they were going to tell me how to run my life. And I'm not telling you how to spend your money but don't take advantage of these girls. Just because you can! Does anybody agree with that?[/QUOTE]Yes I agree with you. I'm not going to be giving out $1,000 to them but it amazes me how cheap some mongers are. Going on and on about saving $9 on a cab ride and a few bucks on a phone plan. I was lucky enough to be born in the first world like most of these guys who like to nickel and dime girls born into poverty. Now I'm not throwing around dollars like an idiot making it rain and I do negotiate prices down but $25 is piss to me. Can't even buy a burger in a nice restaurant with that where I live. I take no joy in beating them down as far as possible and am convinced that for the type of girls I'm doing, SA and FB, that I get much better and longer dates with them. As much sex as I can muster and most of it BB without asking. They can't wait to come see me again. I take no joy in exploiting people from poor countries. No woman likes a cheap man. OK all the cheapskate trolls can attack now.
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2844777]Yes I agree with you. I'm not going to be giving out $1,000 to them but it amazes me how cheap some mongers are. Going on and on about saving $9 on a cab ride and a few bucks on a phone plan. I was lucky enough to be born in the first world like most of these guys who like to nickel and dime girls born into poverty. Now I'm not throwing around dollars like an idiot making it rain and I do negotiate prices down but $25 is piss to me. Can't even buy a burger in a nice restaurant with that where I live. I take no joy in beating them down as far as possible and am convinced that for the type of girls I'm doing, SA and FB, that I get much better and longer dates with them. As much sex as I can muster and most of it BB without asking. They can't wait to come see me again. I take no joy in exploiting people from poor countries. No woman likes a cheap man. OK all the cheapskate trolls can attack now.[/QUOTE]It always amazes me how other guys like to try to tell us how to spend our money. I work to earn money. It is my money to spend. Why should I listen to you on how much I will pay a girl? I don't go around telling you how much you should pay and you shouldn't tell me how much I should pay. I don't even know you and you don't know me. Every monger is different and everyone has his own way of spending money and that is his right.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844627]It does work 1 thousand dollars could pay the rent for quite a few months. I've done it with my girlfriend. ..... and taking advantage of young girls ... Just give them....[/QUOTE]Well, are we talking about girlfriends or hookers, which is it then? Or GF-hookers combined aka sugar babies?
And how is it taking advantage of the girl if she quotes me a price then I either accept it or not?
Should I pay rent of my aguacate vendor too? Just checking.
And what's with the bleeding heart for hookers. There are many people all around the country in much worse situation.
How about a waitress who works for 8 h for 30-40 mil, surely she deservers her rent paid as well. Oh wait, but she's not fucking so nope. Charity but only after blow job, is it?
Lastly I wonder why do you feel like telling people what they should spend. Are you a leftist politician?
P.S. Could anyone give me $1000 so I can pay my rent, pretty please. Surely you can afford it. (JK, give it to starving children or blow it on the horse track -- your money, not my damn business).
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844627]And I'm not telling you how to spend your money but don't take advantage of these girls. Just because you can! Does anybody agree with that?[/QUOTE]Some may say they are taking advantage of you. Are there any Colombian guys giving them $75?
Just like in Thailand, it costs a Thai $1. 10 to go to a national park. It costs foreigners 5 times as much. Should foreigners be happy to pay 5 times as much because it will change Thailand or are foreigners being taken advantage of? I for one prefer to pay according to how much something costs without the price being adjusted for how much I may have or what I may be worth.
"Entry fee: National park entrance fee is 200 THB for Non-Thai adults and 100 for Non-Thai children, for Thai adults it is 40 THB, and for Thai children, it is 20 THB, parking for cars is 30 Baht. ".
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2844777]I take no joy in exploiting people from poor countries. No woman likes a cheap man. OK all the cheapskate trolls can attack now.[/QUOTE]You are talking about hookers. How are you exploiting them? You are not coaxing them into selling ass. They are putting out a product. They are not going to sell it to you for any less than they are going to sell it to you. Best of all there is no need to try to impress them by playing big spender.
When I go to McDonald's I am not concerned about what McDonald's likes. I am going there to spend money on what I like, not trying to impress or make them happy. Of course a hooker wants to come back and see you, the same as you want to go back and see your job tomorrow to get more money. Is your boss bragging about you as an employee do not want to work for a cheap company or that he takes no joy in expoliting you? No. It is come to work and get paid what we are paying or find somewhere else to work.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844628]I recommend make sure the Facebook profile is not connected to your real life or your legitimate life. [/QUOTE]I only have Facebook on my computer. Is there a way to use the app on my phone without it connecting my profile to all my contacts? Otherwise, to be safe, I think I'll just keep using it only on my computer. Thanks.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844627]It does work 1 thousand dollars could pay the rent for quite a few months. I've done it with my girlfrien...[/QUOTE]How many girls you have helped and how many you have fucked. That percentage will tell the whole story. No one is saying not to help in the right situation. What most are saying is that don't be taken advantage of and do it blindly.
Spent few days in city of eternal spring in early Aug. Well, the city of spring was baking this time with daily temps above 30 degrees Celsius every day. New Life lineup was not so great (as usual), may be about 12-15 girls with just 2 worth 2nd looks. Zandalay was hopeless although they had about 8-10 girls. Sexy Amigas was much better but not as good as last year. About 8 girls, half were doable. Centro scene was decent as well, did not partake but found at least 2/3 girls that would meet my standard each time I visited. Parque Lieras was a bit down as well, the number of girls on Sat night was about 25-30 around 10 pm, however I did not see one girl that I would like to spend my time or money on. 65 for media hora at sexy amigas, 60 at new life plus some girls wanted 40 COPs for BBBJ and experencia novia which is double of what they wanted last year. The service quality was Okaish mostly except for one rotten apple at sexy amigas (daniella or stephenia?) who wanted to wrap up iin10 minutes and did not want to remove bra because she had some issue with her breasts. Not sure why the eff was she still working then. Avoid this woman.
Facebook chicas don't want less than 300 K now. Didn't try prepagos but I am thinking I need to increase the scope now. Medellin is becoming more expensive steadily and clearly, this was a damn expensive trip due to that stupid flower festival. And quality has slid in past 6 months.
A question for the experienced guys. Do you think there are better chances of finding some English speaking girls on seeking or facebook or among prepagos as compared to casas, centro and Parque Lieras?
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2842613]It is an agency of the government of Colombia that locks phones that have not been properly registered in the country. The lock only applies when you are in Colombia, but to all the carriers there. And it is based on the phone itself, not any particular SIM (the IMEI). You have a couple of weeks or more to complete the registration, but if you do not register is by their deadline your phone will be blocked even if you have already left the country. In other words, you might have only been there for a week, but they send out a text message and if you do not respond the phone gets blocked anyway, which you find out the next time you visit the country and try to get a SIM from anyone.
And the resellers of SIMS might be perfectly good people, and that would be fine if your phone was already legally in the country, but until it is registered as a legal phone in the country by going through the process of registering it, you can buy SIM cards from whoever you want and they will not work once you have been blocked.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what my understanding and experience is, so far at least. Buying sim from a company owned store is not enough, one has to ask them to register the sim against your passport.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2842586]This is for Claro.
You need to go to an OFFICIAL Claro company store, such as the one inside the Andino Mall. You need your passport (or a copy), and the salesperson will register your passport with the SIM on their computer. Then you go to the cashier and pay for a package. It is then official.
Warning: if you go to an unofficial store or corner kiosk, and if you buy and use a SIM, it is not official. I had a bad experience once. I mistakenly thought a phone store was an official Claro office. The MFer salesperson lied to me; he BSed something like that the passports were invalid. He wanted to sell me his phones for sale with a preloaded SIM. I'm assuming it would have worked since he would have made a profit on the phone. I mistakenly bought a SIM from him (of course I was overcharged). I loaded it, but only Social Media worked. No minutes or data. I was told by Claro that the SIM was "unauthorized". Be careful if you go to an unofficial store.
It seems the SIM has to be registered to someone. Either your passport at the official Claro store, or a SIM from the street that is registered to a local; but that can be dangerous since that person can cancel / change.
Some people here are reporting that their phones gets locked when using an unauthorized SIM. Don't really understand that. Of course the phone company (such as Claro) can lock you out of their system, but can they lock your phone with ALL phone carriers, including inside the US? Don't know.
Either register your SIM legally, or get the SIM from a person you can trust 100%.
Note: you can get a legal SIM when you exit El Dorado Airport baggage area; it's right in front. But price is more than triple for maybe one third the data. It is priced in US dollars, so obviously it's a rip-off. But it might be worth the convenience for some.[/QUOTE]I wish we could obtain a list of official stores where one can register the sims. So far I have used movistar and claro stores in Unicentro. Both did NOT register the sims leading to my phones being blocked.
This time I bought movistar sim from a small shop but talked to someone who worked for movistar and got the sim / phone registered for just 3 USD! He also told me that it is possible to get the blocked phones unlocked but it costs like 10 USD and one needs to leave the phone with the guy who would get it unlocked for 2 days at least. Something I will try next time.
Meanwhile it will be good to know to have a list of official stores where one can buy SIMs and have them registered. Specially near Laureles.
[QUOTE=Vern2020;2844846]I only have Facebook on my computer. Is there a way to use the app on my phone without it connecting my profile to all my contacts? Otherwise, to be safe, I think I'll just keep using it only on my computer. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you have one Facebook account it is the same on computer or phone. Looks different, but all the same contacts, etc.
It is difficult and demanding work to maintain separate identities on facebook. The spyware and cookies are highly persistent and well hidden. Little by little, aided by our own inadvertent clicks on ads or "people you know" facebook merges accounts you control into a single behind the scenes backdoor into your contacts (including contacts who have never visited facebook or had a facebook account) and web activity until you begin to see the same ads, invitations, and invites across all your accounts. You have been warned.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2844892]If you have one Facebook account it is the same on computer or phone. Looks different, but all the same contacts, etc.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844627]It does work 1 thousand dollars could pay the rent for quite a few months. I've done it with my girlfriend and I put her in beauty school in El Centro. She's working in the salon now. Everybody missed the point of what I said they thought I was telling him to be a Simp and throw money around. I'm just saying the narrative here is saving nine dollars for a taxi coming back from the airport taking two different buses and taking advantage of young girls because you think they are working girls and they need to be treated like that. Just give them the $75. I understand you want to think that they are with you because they like you that's fine get them there for that purpose, but give them the money anyway. I've been living here for 12 years so there's not too many people they were going to tell me how to run my life. And I'm not telling you how to spend your money but don't take advantage of these girls. Just because you can! Does anybody agree with that?[/QUOTE]You've been taking advantage of the girls for 12 years, but nobody else is supposed to do the same thing?
I'll explain. Your girlfriend, if you found her in the US would cost you $5,000 per month or more, assuming she's young and hot. However, your dollars buy a lot more in Colombia. It's the main reason all of us come here. In Colombia, even if we're giving each girl an extra $10, $20 or even $50 each time we're taking advantage of their economic situation to get much more at a price we can afford.
I don't save money by taking the bus from the airport. I usually rent a car (which I drove for 14 hours today). $1,000 has never changed my girlfriend's life. At best it would cover her rent for 3 months, not counting utilities. Sending most of the girls to cosmetic school wouldn't exactly change their lives. Ask her how many friends, relatives and neighbors did the same thing. You've given her the skills necessary to remain at a poverty level income for the rest of her life. Why do you think so many of the Facebook girls are also working in salons?
I'm about to make a new random alias facebook profile. I didn't realize facebook and seeking were so popular. When I went to cartagena I just used tinder for the most part and that worked out sorta well.
For facebook are you just searching prepago facebook groups or are you just searching people within medellin?
Also so many reports now about how all the girls are being rated 6/10 and below at most of the establishments. Makes me feel like I should just go back to cartagena instead of visitng Medellin for the first time.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2844879]I wish we could obtain a list of official stores where one can register the sims. So far I have used movistar and claro stores in Unicentro. Both did NOT register the sims leading to my phones being blocked.
This time I bought movistar sim from a small shop but talked to someone who worked for movistar and [/QUOTE]For Claro: Those SMALL shops you see with a Claro sign are NOT official company stores. In the above example, if that person worked at that small store, he probably was not a official company employee. Those small stores might have official pay stations, but the phones and services that are there are not official.
The official Claro stores are huge and modern. Many employees, and they wear matching shirts. The store has all the new, modern phones. It should be obvious.
In the Bogota Andino Mall, I go the official company Claro store on the 2nd floor, and I give them a copy of my passport and ask for a SIM. Then they go to their computer, and they register it.
I was scammed once in Bogota. The small store had a Claro sign. It even had a Claro pay station, where the locals pay their bills. But the phone store that was part of that was not an official Claro store. From hindsight, it was obvious. The 2 people there wore different shirts with a Claro label. Didn't have the latest models. They had used phones for sale; I think this is the key giveaway. Official company owned Claro stores DO NOT SELL used phones. Store looked like a local phone store. The guy pretended to be a Claro employee. Should have seen thru his BS.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2844897]It is difficult and demanding work to maintain separate identities on facebook. The spyware and cookies are highly persistent and well hidden. Little by little, aided by our own inadvertent clicks on ads or "people you know" facebook merges accounts you control into a single behind the scenes backdoor into your contacts (including contacts who have never visited facebook or had a facebook account) and web activity until you begin to see the same ads, invitations, and invites across all your accounts. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]If you're worried about keeping your Facebook accounts completely separate (and you should be), there's only one way to do it.
Get a new, unlocked, prepaid phone. Register it in a different name. Use that phone only to access your alternate Facebook. Do not put anything on the phone that connects to any of your main accounts. Don't use any face pictures. Do not add any friends who are friends on your main account.
[QUOTE=Vern2020;2844846]I only have Facebook on my computer. Is there a way to use the app on my phone without it connecting my profile to all my contacts? Otherwise, to be safe, I think I'll just keep using it only on my computer. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Open FB in incognito mode or private mode on the browser you use. Use m. [URL]faceboob.com[/URL] unfortunately it will not allow you to use messenger. In order to use messenger if using an android phone press the 3 dots top right of the screen and click the box desktop site. Everything will be very small but you can zoom in and manage with difficulty.
Looking for phone store employees wearing uniforms is a very good tip, Thank you so much for it.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2844943]For Claro: Those SMALL shops you see with a Claro sign are NOT official company stores. In the above example, if that person worked at that small store, he probably was not a official company employee. Those small stores might have official pay stations, but the phones and services that are there are not official.
The official Claro stores are huge and modern. Many employees, and they wear matching shirts. The store has all the new, modern phones. It should be obvious.
In the Bogota Andino Mall, I go the official company Claro store on the 2nd floor, and I give them a copy of my passport and ask for a SIM. Then they go to their computer, and they register it.
I was scammed once in Bogota. The small store had a Claro sign. It even had a Claro pay station, where the locals pay their bills. But the phone store that was part of that was not an official Claro store. From hindsight, it was obvious. The 2 people there wore different shirts with a Claro label. Didn't have the latest models. They had used phones for sale; I think this is the key giveaway. Official company owned Claro stores DO NOT SELL used phones. Store looked like a local phone store. The guy pretended to be a Claro employee. Should have seen thru his BS.[/QUOTE]
Disclaimer: this is a crosspost from the "Seeking Arrangement" forum, although I have made some editions.
Folks,
I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA (seeking arrangement) there.
I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks, but I have not talked money with anyone yet, I just have been filtering out pros because I'm looking for the civilian type.
My last sugar baby relationships date from before the pandemic, so I don't have a good reference in price. I think I read earlier here folks saying 500 K COP, which sounds super reasonable (to me, given the quality of the woman) but I want to get your opinion hopefully based on your current experience. What is a fair price these days for a really young and tight 20 y / o hottie?
I read elsewhere folks talking about 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just yesterday quoted $500 by a pretty hot 25 y / o in TX.
So for Medellin, would $100 be a good amount not to offend the girl right out the bat? $150?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2844784]It always amazes me how other guys like to try to tell us how to spend our money. I work to earn money. It is my money to spend. Why should I listen to you on how much I will pay a girl? I don't go around telling you how much you should pay and you shouldn't tell me how much I should pay. I don't even know you and you don't know me. Every monger is different and everyone has his own way of spending money and that is his right.[/QUOTE]It's just rude, bordering on offensive, that's what it is.
As for the poster living 12 y in Colombia, I guess that's happens to you naturally. You integrate into the local culture and eventually think it's OK to start just asking gringos for money.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2844903]You've been taking advantage of the girls for 12 years, but nobody else is supposed to do the same thing?[/QUOTE]Heh yeah, seems like the OP have been "exploiting" them for a long time, had a change of heart and now trying to appease his own guilt on the forum, telling others how much of their own money they should spend.
$75 was it? Pease keep us posted on the exact guilt-free rates, I assume these have to be adjusted for inflation yearly.
Why should we all suffer for OPs mistakes? Not sure.
I think this mostly Medellin [URL]https://www.instagram.com/scopequeens/[/URL].
Also see [URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/mdehallofshame[/URL].
[QUOTE=Oterri;2844879]This is exactly what my understanding and experience is, so far at least. Buying sim from a company owned store is not enough, one has to ask them to register the sim against your passport.
I wish we could obtain a list of official stores where one can register the sims. So far I have used movistar and claro stores in Unicentro. Both did NOT register the sims leading to my phones being blocked.
This time I bought movistar sim from a small shop but talked to someone who worked for movistar and got the sim / phone registered for just 3 USD! He also told me that it is possible to get the blocked phones unlocked but it costs like 10 USD and one needs to leave the phone with the guy who would get it unlocked for 2 days at least. Something I will try next time.
Meanwhile it will be good to know to have a list of official stores where one can buy SIMs and have them registered. Specially near Laureles.[/QUOTE]As Zeos1 and others have said, this has nothing to do with SIM cards. You register your device (by putting in its IMEI) not the SIM card. When you purchase a SIM card at an official store, you provide your passport to set up an account. But registering your phone is a different procedure.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2844784]It always amazes me how other guys like to try to tell us how to spend our money. I work to earn money. It is my money to spend. Why should I listen to you on how much I will pay a girl? I don't go around telling you how much you should pay and you shouldn't tell me how much I should pay. I don't even know you and you don't know me. Every monger is different and everyone has his own way of spending money and that is his right.[/QUOTE]All the guys who try to tell other guys how to spend their money are relatively poor guys. They mistakenly believe that if guys give the chicas more money it will cause chica inflation which would make their sexual activity unattainable. That is fallacious and would not affect their fellatio. 😄.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2844870]one rotten apple at sexy amigas (daniella or stephenia?) who wanted to wrap up iin10 minutes and did not want to remove bra because she had some issue with her breasts. Not sure why the eff was she still working then. Avoid this woman.[/QUOTE]Maybe she just had some surgery done or she is on her period and her nipples are sore. She is still working for the same reason everyone else is: money.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2844897]It is difficult and demanding work to maintain separate identities on facebook. The spyware and cookies are highly persistent and well hidden. Little by little, aided by our own inadvertent clicks on ads or "people you know" facebook merges accounts you control into a single behind the scenes backdoor into your contacts (including contacts who have never visited facebook or had a facebook account) and web activity until you begin to see the same ads, invitations, and invites across all your accounts. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]Use 2 different browsers and not the app.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2844983]If you're worried about keeping your Facebook accounts completely separate (and you should be), there's only one way to do it.
Get a new, unlocked, prepaid phone. Register it in a different name. Use that phone only to access your alternate Facebook. Do not put anything on the phone that connects to any of your main accounts. Don't use any face pictures. Do not add any friends who are friends on your main account.[/QUOTE]And probably best not use the same wi-fi / network that you use to access your real account.
That would work. I can see you understand that use the burner "only" means you can't place or receive phone calls, you can't use anything except the phone's browser and the phone must be configured with an apple or android account used for nothing else. Also, you have to avoid using the same Internet connection as you use for your other devices. A VPN client on the phone (remember, it can't be the same VPN account you use on other devices) would prevent unintentionally revealing other devices that share the connection. Facebook is so insidious that any deviation from those practices will compromise your privacy.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2844983]If you're worried about keeping your Facebook accounts completely separate (and you should be), there's only one way to do it.
Get a new, unlocked, prepaid phone. Register it in a different name. Use that phone only to access your alternate Facebook. Do not put anything on the phone that connects to any of your main accounts. Don't use any face pictures. Do not add any friends who are friends on your main account.[/QUOTE]
As long as the SIM you buy is not already registered to someone else you can register it on the service provider's website or mobile app. Every time I get a new phone I have to do it. I'm grateful I don't have to deal with a phone shop. The SIM you buy should be in a sealed plastic envelope with the phone number and serial number on its label. You can buy cheap SIMs beneath the metro in Plaza Botero but you will have problems registering them.
[QUOTE=Oterri;2844879]This is exactly what my understanding and experience is, so far at least. Buying sim from a company owned store is not enough, one has to ask them to register the sim against your passport.
I wish we could obtain a list of official stores where one can register the sims. So far I have used movistar and claro stores in Unicentro. Both did NOT register the sims leading to my phones being blocked.
This time I bought movistar sim from a small shop but talked to someone who worked for movistar and got the sim / phone registered for just 3 USD! He also told me that it is possible to get the blocked phones unlocked but it costs like 10 USD and one needs to leave the phone with the guy who would get it unlocked for 2 days at least. Something I will try next time.
Meanwhile it will be good to know to have a list of official stores where one can buy SIMs and have them registered. Specially near Laureles.[/QUOTE]
That's not enough.
[QUOTE=Giz99;2844995]Open FB in incognito mode or private mode on the browser you use. Use m. [URL]faceboob.com[/URL] unfortunately it will not allow you to use messenger. In order to use messenger if using an android phone press the 3 dots top right of the screen and click the box desktop site. Everything will be very small but you can zoom in and manage with difficulty.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2845046]As Zeos1 and others have said, this has nothing to do with SIM cards. You register your device (by putting in its IMEI) not the SIM card. When you purchase a SIM card at an official store, you provide your passport to set up an account. But registering your phone is a different procedure.[/QUOTE]I've always gone to the official Claro store at the Andino Mall, and purchased a SIM card with a copy of my passport, and then I've went to the cashier to pay for my load. Never had a problem afterwards. I don't think those Claro salespeople every registered my phone, since I didn't see them looking thru my phone to get the IMEI number. I believe Claro knows your IMEI number of your phone if you connect to their network.
Don't really understand how you register your phone. Never got a text from Claro asking for the IMEI number. Shouldn't it be automatic?
Although I haven't gotten a new SIM for a few years since it seems the SIM is still valid if you load it before 1 year expiration. I've never changed phones after I got the SIM. Maybe that's a way to test.
I agree that beating them down is wrong (monetarily or physically). But that said, I don't see mongering as exploitation. We pay these girls much more than they could make with a regular job (that they are qualified to do, which isn't much). Some of the girls really need the money to pay rent, buy food, take care of the baby, etc. Other girls use it for surgeries and treatments and fake designer clothes and purses and shoes and drugs. That's their choice, although I prefer girls who need the money to take care of a family or get educated. Paying them way above what they are worth financially in Colombia, to me, is not exploitation. If anything, gringos are often "exploited" by the girls and others (taxis, etc.). I have a clear conscience because what would many of these girls do without us? The Colombian government is not going to take care of them and either is their deadbeat boyfriend of baby daddy. That said, I believe in paying a fair price. I'm not trying to talk them down below the low end of "market" but am also certainly not dumb enough to overpay (for all of the stupid reasons gringos overpay).
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2844777]Yes I agree with you. I'm not going to be giving out $1,000 to them but it amazes me how cheap some mongers are. Going on and on about saving $9 on a cab ride and a few bucks on a phone plan. I was lucky enough to be born in the first world like most of these guys who like to nickel and dime girls born into poverty. Now I'm not throwing around dollars like an idiot making it rain and I do negotiate prices down but $25 is piss to me. Can't even buy a burger in a nice restaurant with that where I live. I take no joy in beating them down as far as possible and am convinced that for the type of girls I'm doing, SA and FB, that I get much better and longer dates with them. As much sex as I can muster and most of it BB without asking. They can't wait to come see me again. I take no joy in exploiting people from poor countries. No woman likes a cheap man. OK all the cheapskate trolls can attack now.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2845037]I think this mostly Medellin [URL]https://www.instagram.com/scopequeens/[/URL].
Also see [URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/mdehallofshame[/URL].[/QUOTE]The Facebook link is not working for me.
That is exactly right. You can put the punter phone behind a VPN session to keep facebook's algorithms away from other devices on your Internet connection.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2845088]And probably best not use the same wi-fi / network that you use to access your real account.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2845149]I have a clear conscience because what would many of these girls do without us?[/QUOTE]The same thing they did during covid without you. As far as I know they all made it through and nobody perished due to not having gringos around to exploit them.
I definitely would not start at $150 or $100 and never negotiate in dollars. You have to remember a lot of "seeking" girls are full time prepagos in disguise. Why would you pay more just because her profile is on seeking? You will find the same girls on FB, tinder, lleras and even centro (rarely). So it makes no sense to wine and dine a girl who's a full time pro.
Of course it depends on how much time you are expecting them to spend etc. For newbies I would avoid seeking and stick to casa, clubs, tinder etc but remember to always give your price and not ask them theirs. Negotiate in pesos and start low 200 mil plus taxi is usual starting rate for outcall.
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2845012]Disclaimer: this is a crosspost from the "Seeking Arrangement" forum, although I have made some editions.
Folks,
I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA (seeking arrangement) there.
I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks, but I have not talked money with anyone yet, I just have been filtering out pros because I'm looking for the civilian type.
My last sugar baby relationships date from before the pandemic, so I don't have a good reference in price. I think I read earlier here folks saying 500 K COP, which sounds super reasonable (to me, given the quality of the woman) but I want to get your opinion hopefully based on your current experience. What is a fair price these days for a really young and tight 20 y / o hottie?
I read elsewhere folks talking about 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just yesterday quoted $500 by a pretty hot 25 y / o in TX.
So for Medellin, would $100 be a good amount not to offend the girl right out the bat? $150?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2845072]Use 2 different browsers and not the app.[/QUOTE]This is the best answer. It will be better if this browser is only used for facebook only. While we are on this topic. ISG uses Google service so Google probably knows the activities of those visitors who use google too. haha.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2844026]Everybody's butt hurt especially the passport bros they think I'm handing out hundred dollar bills and they're insulted because they are cheapskates. That's why they take it personal I'm saying $1000 will change their life I would never give them $1000. How about 50 or $75 instead of using there Naked photos as a trophy cheapskates .[/QUOTE]QR, I do not think it is the passport bros. Those are guys who work in the USA, have money, and visit abroad. The guys fighting you on this IMO are the guys living on a fixed income and are always threatened when others come in and pay without consideration for their budgets.
As far as giving women a $1000 and changing their lives, the guys from Freakonomics actually took on something similar to it. Back in the early days of the USA, the state of Georgia had this deal where one in five of its residents received via lottery a chance at some serious land / money. When the matter was studied, what was found was a one time infusion of cash did very little to change the fate of said people.
That said, what you are talking about is an investible woman, one you give $1000, and she spends on garnering a skill and uses it to make way more than $1000 and is actually appreciative of you for doing so. That is really rare because such a woman probably would have made it on her own without you. Out of the hundreds of women I have met mongering over the last decade, there were only four I considered investible or my preferred term is wife / GF material. Most women will waste the $1000 on something stupid and then hit you up shortly thereafter for more money.
That is the problem with prostitution and the quick buck. The quick buck goes out as fast as it goes in.
The same capability that facebook uses to mine your contacts who have never had facebook accounts allow it to mine your browsing history on browsers you never use to access facebook, cross reference your device's registry keys, and take advantage of bookmark syncing features some uses don't even know are active. At a minimum you must use a single purpose device for punter activity on facebook. Then you also have to be scrupulous about which friend requests, contacts, and even likes (you should not like anything from a punter account) to control (as distinct from prevent) facebook linking your punter account to other apps (including facebook), services, and contacts you maintain in real life. Tiktok, tinder, facebook and the other social apps spend billions to confuse users into thinking it's quick and easy to isolate their accounts. You have been warned, I won't insist.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2845262]This is the best answer. It will be better if this browser is only used for facebook only. While we are on this topic. ISG uses Google service so Google probably knows the activities of those visitors who use google too. haha.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2845300]QR, I do not think it is the passport bros. Those are guys who work in the USA, have money, and visit abroad. The guys fighting you on this IMO are the guys living on a fixed income and are always threatened when others come in and pay without consideration for their budgets.
As far as giving women a $1000 and changing their lives, the guys from Freakonomics actually took on something similar to it. Back in the early days of the USA, the state of Georgia had this deal where one in five of its residents received via lottery a chance at some serious land / money. When the matter was studied, what was found was a one time infusion of cash did very little to change the fate of said people.
That said, what you are talking about is an investible woman, one you give $1000, and she spends on garnering a skill and uses it to make way more than $1000 and is actually appreciative of you for doing so. That is really rare because such a woman probably would have made it on her own without you. Out of the hundreds of women I have met mongering over the last decade, there were only four I considered investible or my preferred term is wife / GF material. Most women will waste the $1000 on something stupid and then hit you up shortly thereafter for more money.
That is the problem with prostitution and the quick buck. The quick buck goes out as fast as it goes in.[/QUOTE]I agree with you and once again, I never suggested giving them $1000. It was a number that came to my head. I said that it could change their lives and everybody got butt hurt. I they thought I was implying I throw money around like some kind of Simp. Like I said earlier, I did help somebody I make over six figures and I slowly gave her money because I'm fully aware they are going to spend it instantly. Helping a girl get braces for her crooked teeth buying a iPad for their children. These little things change their life. It's much cheaper than having a girlfriend or a wife in the United States. I think everybody agrees that I was just suggesting that some people do exploit them and try to give them the boyfriend experience to save money. One thing I know, for sure is you could not expect a positive outcome just accept whatever the outcome is and have no expectations and you won't be disappointed. I believe any girl that's doing this to multiple people or is still in the. P4 p game really doesn't deserve anyone's money. Next time I will "quote the author of the post. So, as not to offend the guys with fixed incomes that are living there. Thanks for the positive response.
There were still several gringos in MDE during COVID, whether those who lived there full time or who got "stuck" there. And the, according to a few chicas I know well, were the gringo clients who felt bad for the chicas and sent them a little money for food. I admit I sent 100 mil to one chica that I used to see regularly. So even during COVID, many still relied on gringos. I will say again, I have a very clear conscience. I see no exploitation as a previous poster suggested.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2845195]The same thing they did during covid without you. As far as I know they all made it through and nobody perished due to not having gringos around to exploit them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2845262]This is the best answer. It will be better if this browser is only used for facebook only. While we are on this topic. ISG uses Google service so Google probably knows the activities of those visitors who use google too. haha.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys, that is what my gut was telling me. I will not use the facebook app on my phone, and just get girls what's app if I want to contact them later. Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Vern2020;2845524]...I will not use the facebook app on my phone, and just get girls what's app if I want to contact them later. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]However you can have a burner that you use only for mongering. You can have the app on this phone as long as you treat the phone as a sandbox. You can use this phone connected to any WiFi, for example: Starbucks, I am confident that none of the other customers see info related to your activity and you won't see theirs. If you agree, and think it logically, you can use it almost everywhere. hehe.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2845300]...That said, what you are talking about is an investible woman, one you give $1000...[/QUOTE]I don't know about the whole context of the situation the OP is in. This is what I would do [b]in my own situation[/b].
If it is started with P4 P, I would tell the girl to come frequently enough so she can make USD $ 1000/ month. This way she can make more money and not less. If the girl is worthwhile, she can use the money wisely. I would even tell her to put other customers ahead of me schedule-wise because I want her to diversify and have more job opportunities.
If it is not P4 P, I would just give her money for free and not have sexual relationship with her for free.
There are more scenarios that I can come up with but the above are the basic ideas.
[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2845436]There were still several gringos in MDE during COVID, whether those who lived there full time or who got "stuck" there. And the, according to a few chicas I know well, were the gringo clients who felt bad for the chicas and sent them a little money for food. I admit I sent 100 mil to one chica that I used to see regularly. So even during COVID, many still relied on gringos. I will say again, I have a very clear conscience. I see no exploitation as a previous poster suggested.[/QUOTE]It's not exploitation, but compassion.
Nothing wrong helping out regulars, especially during the eight months the Country was shut down during the Pandemic.
I am going to Medellin for 5 days and was very interested in recent intel on this location. It appears to be one of the top places for quality. I have been to many FKK's in Europe, is this similar? Not much information online and no website.
Any intel on prices and extras?
Cost to taxi from Poblado?
Do they serve food and drinks?
Options for 2 girls??
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2844784]It always amazes me how other guys like to try to tell us how to spend our money. I work to earn money. It is my money to spend. Why should I listen to you on how much I will pay a girl? I don't go around telling you how much you should pay and you shouldn't tell me how much I should pay. I don't even know you and you don't know me. Every monger is different and everyone has his own way of spending money and that is his right.[/QUOTE]Pricing always has been and always will be discussed here. It will never be shut down. No one is trying to take away your "rights" so simply bypass the suggestions and advice, make it rain, spend more than is necessary in given markets or whatever you like. We all know it is your money to spend.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2845057]All the guys who try to tell other guys how to spend their money are relatively poor guys. They mistakenly believe that if guys give the chicas more money it will cause chica inflation which would make their sexual activity unattainable. That is fallacious and would not affect their fellatio. 😄.[/QUOTE]Actually a lot of comfortable and otherwise wealthy people like to get a good value for their buck as it often goes with the territory. It's how they got rich. Show offs and braggarts usually have less means though there are exceptions to all rules. And yes, consumer behavior effects markets. Though spending habits in El Poblado likely will have little effect on pricing in Centro.
P.S. Pricing in a community like this is always going to be a popular topic. Might as well get used to it.
It's worth mentioning that only a small minority of girls here rely mostly on gringos as customers. Among that small minority are girls who work Parque Lleras / Provenza, the Mansion, and certain facebook girls. The large majority of girls in the game rely mostly on Colombian customers. I remember during the early days of the pandemic the casas started to bar foreigners. I got a exemption at the places I visited regularly until they started to shut down altogether. Among casas I think New Life might be an exception where girls could specialize in foreigners.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2845195]The same thing they did during covid without you. As far as I know they all made it through and nobody perished due to not having gringos around to exploit them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2845551]I don't know about the whole context of the situation the OP is in. This is what I would do [b]in my own situation[/b].
If it is started with P4 P, I would tell the girl to come frequently enough so she can make USD $ 1000/ month. This way she can make more money and not less.[/QUOTE]Damn. You guys do not get tired of fucking the same hooker like that? I am in it for the strange, not the familiar. I could never fuck the same hooker $1000 worth of times.
[QUOTE=Carnal2;2845596]I am going to Medellin for 5 days and was very interested in recent intel on this location. It appears to be one of the top places for quality. I have been to many FKK's in Europe, is this similar? Not much information online and no website.
Any intel on prices and extras?
Cost to taxi from Poblado?
Do they serve food and drinks?
Options for 2 girls??
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It's a silicone convention. If that's your thing you'll be happier than a pig in mud.
[QUOTE=Carnal2;2845596]I am going to Medellin for 5 days and was very interested in recent intel on this location. It appears to be one of the top places for quality. I have been to many FKK's in Europe, is this similar? Not much information online and no website.
Any intel on prices and extras?
Cost to taxi from Poblado?
Do they serve food and drinks?
Options for 2 girls??
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]No it's not similar to the FKKs. The chicas don't mingle out front. They come out from the back and make an introduction. It's just a brothel set up in a big old grand building that may or may not have an interesting history. I've visited a few times without taking a session and my recollection is full figured 30 ish (year old) ladies. So if that's your target you might have some luck there.
Taxi ride cost: All taxi rides are relatively cheap in Medellin. Don't worry about the taxi cost.
Food and drinks? Drinks of course. I remember they do serve popcorn jaja. My friends visited (and sessioned) and ordered food which was probably delivered in from a nearby restaurant. Very good they said.
Prices and Options for 2 girls: It's a brothel. Bring your money and tell them what you want. It's probably about a hundred dollars worth of pesos per chica per 45 mintues for standard service (covered everything and no kissing) is my best guess. Let me repeat that just an estimate or guess based on prices my last visit a couple years ago.
If you're looking for more of a place like FKKs where the chicas hang out close to the customers try the brothels Zandaly and Chicas Sexi Amigas and sit at their bars. Or try the el centro bars across the street from Parque Botero. Coneitas and Bar Grille Nuevo.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2845551]I don't know about the whole context of the situation the OP is in. This is what I would do [b]in my own situation[/b].
If it is started with P4 P, I would tell the girl to come frequently enough so she can make USD $ 1000/ month. This way she can make more money and not less. If the girl is worthwhile, she can use the money wisely. I would even tell her to put other customers ahead of me schedule-wise because I want her to diversify and have more job opportunities.
If it is not P4 P, I would just give her money for free and not have sexual relationship with her for free.
There are more scenarios that I can come up with but the above are the basic ideas.[/QUOTE]Absolutely nobody knows the context of what I said. They just saw the $1000 and assumed that I was telling people to give $1000 to prostitutes and that's about it. It took off from there and it became something very toxic. All of the cheapskates came out and made their case. They started quoting smaller and smaller parts of my post and those took off on individual rants. It was pretty hilarious. Doesn't bother me a bit. I stand behind what I said for days ago look it up.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2845620]It's worth mentioning that only a small minority of girls here rely mostly on gringos as customers. Among that small minority are girls who work Parque Lleras / Provenza, the Mansion, and certain facebook girls. The large majority of girls in the game rely mostly on Colombian customers. I remember during the early days of the pandemic the casas started to bar foreigners. I got a exemption at the places I visited regularly until they started to shut down altogether. Among casas I think New Life might be an exception where girls could specialize in foreigners.[/QUOTE]Even at New Life I'm guessing it is 95% local business. Most of the times I've been there it was all locals, and the lunchtime traffic in particular. Guys working in the area take an hour for lunch and nothing better than 30 min at New Life and then a lunch special nearby for 5 dollars. So for equivalent of under 20 dollars lunch and sex.
Told her I wanted drinks, she says sex and massage first. Seems miserable and just wants to get paid. What you guys think, is it worth it?
[QUOTE=Carnal2;2845596]I am going to Medellin for 5 days and was very interested in recent intel on this location. It appears to be one of the top places for quality. I have been to many FKK's in Europe, is this similar? Not much information online and no website.
Any intel on prices and extras?
Cost to taxi from Poblado?
Do they serve food and drinks?
Options for 2 girls??
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There's nothing in MDE like the FKKs. If you go in expecting to find that, you'll be very disappointed.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2845814]Even at New Life I'm guessing it is 95% local business. Most of the times I've been there it was all locals, and the lunchtime traffic in particular. Guys working in the area take an hour for lunch and nothing better than 30 min at New Life and then a lunch special nearby for 5 dollars. So for equivalent of under 20 dollars lunch and sex.[/QUOTE]Wait I thought new life was a massage spot. Same for Zandaly and Chicas Sexi Amigas.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2845726]Absolutely nobody knows the context of what I said. They just saw the $1000 and assumed that I was telling people to give $1000 to prostitutes and that's about it. It took off from there and it became something very toxic. All of the cheapskates came out and made their case. They started quoting smaller and smaller parts of my post and those took off on individual rants. It was pretty hilarious. Doesn't bother me a bit. I stand behind what I said for days ago look it up.[/QUOTE]I think it's the opposite, what's the point of being on this site let alone mongering in Medellin if you're just going to pay them more than what they asked for. The responses to your report by other members were spot-on. If we hustled like your claiming, we would be no better and just as broke as the Chicas we're patronizing. It's exactly right that most of them have no financial sense and would be broke the next day no matter how much that's given to them. The prices we pay or not pay is the reason majority of travel or live in Medellin. I mean, if you have a missionary mindset, I'm sure there's plenty of other sites and agency's that handle that. I going to continue to bargain sensibly for what was, is or how much longer these prices remain.
[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2845980]Wait I thought new life was a massage spot. Same for Zandaly and Chicas Sexi Amigas.[/QUOTE]They are brothels. Massage is optional.
I'll be visiting back my favorite city this October or November. I'm trying to use the Facebook option for girls and already created alternative profile only for FB girls. Which Facebook search groups should I start with? Names? Any recommendations will be appreciated and of course I will leave a spicy feedback after my visit.
Flew in from Cartagena to EOH. 5 minute cab ride to my AirBnb on Calle 10 A. Recommend EOH to avoid the long drive from MED / Rio Negro. My AirBnb was 1 block from Parque Lleras but Calle 10 A is a super busy street all day and night with no crosswalk so it can take a while to cross the street. No security desk so I was able to bring as many girls at any time.
Not many girls during the day time in the park but there were usually at least a couple girls working. 200 k to 350 k for 1 hour. Police check points controlling access to the park most of the day and night. So in the park was very safe. Around the park was pretty safe also. Soul Spa on Calle 10 offered HJ only for 50 k on top of the 100 k for a 1 hour massage. Spa M and Sixth Sense Spa offered 1 hour FS for 170 k. Used Mileroticos and photosaccompantes to call girls to my Airbnb. 200 k to 350 k for 1 hour. Their incall rates were 100 k to 250 k for 1 hour. At night the park has 50 to 200 girls around the park and in the clubs. Girls start showing up around 8 pm. 1 am the girls in the club start checking outside for guys. You can sit across from any of the clubs to see the girls going in and out. Most of the clubs had no cover. A couple had a 10 k cover on the weekend. You can also hang out near SupahShooter and see all the girls getting dropped off for Gustos and catch them before anyone else. Gustos mostly had milfs between 30 and 40 yo. Not really my thing. I usually picked up the 20 yo in and around the park. If the girl is in the park, she went thru a TSA like security check so she probably doesn't have drugs or weapons. I say probably because I did see some girls doing bumps before going into Gustos so they do sneak it in or buy it from someone in the Park. Picked up 20 light skinned skinny morenas and 5 paisas. 1 girl offered me drugs, I passed. She also tried to steal my portable phone battery but I made her empty her purse and she gave it back. Later I noticed she stole my face wash and my generic replacement sonicare tooth brush head but not the actual brush. So watch out. They'll take anything they can.
Checked out Fase II on Friday night. 30 girls, again mostly milfs. But for the price of a drink or a couple 2 k notes, the girls will give you lapdances and HJ teases. There was also a 4 girl lesbian sex show with dildos around midnight. 30 k or 50 k entrance. (Can't remember) When you buy a drink they give you change in a stack of 2 k notes because each girl will come by to collect tips from every customer after they dance on stage. Not sure about prices but there's a hotel next door if you find a girl you like.
Also went to Loutron. 10 milfs. A couple skinny girls the rest were naturally curvy or had fake boobs and butts. There's an entrance fee of 120 k. I think the price for 1 hour was 200 k to 300 k. It's a long drive up and back so I probably won't go again.
Great weather, okay food, and easy access to sexy morenas at the park.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2845691]It's a silicone convention. If that's your thing you'll be happier than a pig in mud.[/QUOTE]Nah, not sure I agree. I love silicone but there are quite a few chica's without silicone there. The lineup varies greatly though, I've had times when there were literally only 2 girls available and times when there were at least 20. I'd say average amount of available girls is around 10. Also the level of service greatly varies among the chica's there.
If you want more, high quality girls to choose from, La Isla definitely is the right choice. Even though the price is kind of insane now, 550 k, there are some real hotties out there.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2845909]Told her I wanted drinks, she says sex and massage first. Seems miserable and just wants to get paid. What you guys think, is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Don't know the girl so I can tell you if it is "worth it" but she is asking almost 3 times the norm for a really delicious hot girl. You obviously don't know Spanish and your translator app, while giving literal translations, tells her she is dealing with a Gringo.
One other piece of (I'm sure unwanted) advice. Drinking with girls maybe something you think is fun but it is the way to get yourself drugged and robbed. If you need the name of some of the bars where Gringos congregate, I'm sure we can give you a few. Drink with other Gringos or by yourself. It is a lot safer.
[QUOTE=Zeos1;2845814]Even at New Life I'm guessing it is 95% local business. Most of the times I've been there it was all locals, and the lunchtime traffic in particular. Guys working in the area take an hour for lunch and nothing better than 30 min at New Life and then a lunch special nearby for 5 dollars. So for equivalent of under 20 dollars lunch and sex.[/QUOTE]Agree. God help you if you go on pay day. Colombians in many jobs are paid 1 x a month, and the day often falls on the last Thursday or working day of the month. I went to New Life on that day once years ago and there were 30+ girls and a similar number of guys. Standing room only. The intro line never stopped!
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2845012]Disclaimer: this is a crosspost from the "Seeking Arrangement" forum, although I have made some editions.
Folks,I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA (seeking arrangement) there.
I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks, but I have not talked money with anyone yet, I just have been filtering out pros because I'm looking for the civilian type.
My last sugar baby relationships date from before the pandemic, so I don't have a good reference in price. I think I read earlier here folks saying 500 K COP, which sounds super reasonable (to me, given the quality of the woman) but I want to get your opinion hopefully based on your current experience. What is a fair price these days for a really young and tight 20 y / o hottie?
I read elsewhere folks talking about 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just yesterday quoted $500 by a pretty hot 25 y / o in TX.
So for Medellin, would $100 be a good amount not to offend the girl right out the bat? $150?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]First, some guys will say that you'll see the same Seeking girls at Lleras, on Tinder, or in the centro casas. I personally have not found that to be the case. Overall the girls have been of higher quality in terms of looks, personality / intelligence (many with degrees), and in some ways performance.
In terms of price, the last time I used it in MDE was 1-2 years ago and I was doing 300 k to 500 k depending on time (usually 1. 5 to 3 hours). Average was around 350/400 k.
-Chicago.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2845909]Told her I wanted drinks, she says sex and massage first. Seems miserable and just wants to get paid. What you guys think, is it worth it?[/QUOTE]What do you go to work for? If it is for more than to get paid then you are in the minority. Why do guys always complain when the hooker knows what she is there for? Are you looking for someone to fuck or a drinking buddy?
Me and Trip went to a brothel in Cali where they do the lineup the same as New Life. I asked the guy why do the girls go away so fast. He said you foreigners always come with this shit. These girls are here to be fucked. You look at them and decide who you want then you go fuck them. You don't try to make girlfriends out of the hookers. The chick flat out said you give me money and I give you a massage and pussy. Where is the problem other than the 800,000 peso ripoff price? The Colombian philosophy is that you get to know and wine and dine girlfriends; you fuck hookers.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2845909]what you guys think, is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Looks no better than a ton of girls I give 50 k to, but only you can decide if she's worth it. To you.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2845909]Told her I wanted drinks, she says sex and massage first. Seems miserable and just wants to get paid. What you guys think, is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Run Forrest Run LOL.
[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2845991]I think it's the opposite, what's the point of being on this site let alone mongering in Medellin if you're just going to pay them more than what they asked for. The responses to your report by other members were spot-on. If we hustled like your claiming, we would be no better and just as broke as the Chicas we're patronizing. It's exactly right that most of them have no financial sense and would be broke the next day no matter how much that's given to them. The prices we pay or not pay is the reason majority of travel or live in Medellin. I mean, if you have a missionary mindset, I'm sure there's plenty of other sites and agency's that handle that. I going to continue to bargain sensibly for what was, is or how much longer these prices remain.[/QUOTE]Defintiely hustling backwards. Why are most guys on here traveling to get laid? Because it worked out so well back home that chicks get money so they would not have to fuck your sorry ass anymore. Guys do it to themselves. Let's find a chick that has no money so she will fuck us for money, then give her so much money so she will no longer need to fuck us (or at least the us that are not going to pay way more than should be paid). That is a simp mentality. Versus Pretty Tony's pimp mentality where you make sure they stay broke so they will always need you.
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gaj-7BroWNY&pp=ygUbdGhlIG1hY2sga2VlcCBhIGJpdGNoIGJyb2tl[/URL]
I believe it is all in the eye of the beholder. For some, Seeking Arrangement is the blessed gateway to women of unimaginable and otherwise unattainable beauty and charm. For others, SA stands for "Simping Arrangement. " The important bit is that the guy feels fulfilled and satisfied.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2846119]First, some guys will say that you'll see the same Seeking girls at Lleras, on Tinder, or in the centro casas. I personally have not found that to be the case. Overall the girls have been of higher quality in terms of looks, personality / intelligence (many with degrees), and in some ways performance.
In terms of price, the last time I used it in MDE was 1-2 years ago and I was doing 300 k to 500 k depending on time (usually 1. 5 to 3 hours). Average was around 350/400 k.
-Chicago.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with TK. 100 K pesos is ok too.
Remember this is Medellin.
Girls like her go for usd $20 or 30 for an hour or two of sexual and massage service.
All the tourist incels are screwing it all up.
Correction: All the tourist incels have screwed it all up.
The chicas are for sex and massage not for taking out on dates in public.
If you take them out in public you will be laughed at.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2846131]Looks no better than a ton of girls I give 50 k to, but only you can decide if she's worth it. To you.[/QUOTE]$12? That's a steal. Cheapest I've done is a girl in Brazil that liked me and didn't want me to pay the bar fine so she told me wait outside for her across the street, she got her things and ran out to come meet me and called a Uber for us. Only wanted $30 from me spent the whole night and morning together.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2845909]Told her I wanted drinks, she says sex and massage first. Seems miserable and just wants to get paid. What you guys think, is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Tell her 50 mil más la pieza and she meets up with you in plaza botero. If not she can kick rocks. Also wtf would you want to go out for drinks, that's a waste of time and money and a good way to get drugged and robbed.
Also your spanish looks fake as hell I know those weren't your words lmao.
Anyways if you pay 800 mil I feel sorry for you.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2846021]I'll be visiting back my favorite city this October or November. I'm trying to use the Facebook option for girls and already created alternative profile only for FB girls. Which Facebook search groups should I start with? Names? Any recommendations will be appreciated and of course I will leave a spicy feedback after my visit.[/QUOTE]This is where I started. I went to Diviniwomen Medellin Go through the friends lists of the guys who are friends in this list. Start friending the women that you like just not to many per day (not sure the number for the algorithms). When someone accepts your friend request send them a message to say Hello,. (don't send out too many messages per day) Go through their friends list, repeat. Or search for the name Maria or any other common name and start sending out friend requests. Next thing you know you will have over a thousand friends and you will be getting friend requests from them.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2846119]First, some guys will say that you'll see the same Seeking girls at Lleras, on Tinder, or in the centro casas. I personally have not found that to be the case. Overall the girls have been of higher quality in terms of looks, personality / intelligence (many with degrees), and in some ways performance.
In terms of price, the last time I used it in MDE was 1-2 years ago and I was doing 300 k to 500 k depending on time (usually 1. 5 to 3 hours). Average was around 350/400 k.
-Chicago.[/QUOTE]Agreed on quality. I mean, it may be true that you can find some of the woman in SA in Parque Leras, Tinder, Facebook, etc. However, there is a subset of chicks that at least to my knowledge are only found in places like SA.
Basically civilians that want to have fun, get some money for whatever the fuck they want the money, but they are not fucking every dude that crosses their path, so that made them like a true girlfriend (perfect -- no drama).
As far as price, some are charging crazy amounts ($300), and they are fucking hot woman, but the competition is so high that you don't have to do that.
I've been able so far to get some for 400 k, 500 k and one really hot one for a multi hour session for 800 k.
I won't even go to an ATM on or near pay day. It's brutal.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2846116]Agree. God help you if you go on pay day. Colombians in many jobs are paid 1 x a month, and the day often falls on the last Thursday or working day of the month. I went to New Life on that day once years ago and there were 30+ girls and a similar number of guys. Standing room only. The intro line never stopped![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2845909]Told her I wanted drinks, she says sex and massage first. Seems miserable and just wants to get paid. What you guys think, is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Chances are she's not a scoper.
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2846278]Agreed on quality. I mean, it may be true that you can find some of the woman in SA in Parque Leras, Tinder, Facebook, etc. However, there is a subset of chicks that at least to my knowledge are only found in places like SA.
Basically civilians that want to have fun, get some money for whatever the fuck they want the money, but they are not fucking every dude that crosses their path, so that made them like a true girlfriend (perfect -- no drama).
As far as price, some are charging crazy amounts ($300), and they are fucking hot woman, but the competition is so high that you don't have to do that.
I've been able so far to get some for 400 k, 500 k and one really hot one for a multi hour session for 800 k.[/QUOTE]Actually, last week I did the hottest girl ever in my mongering career LOL. At la Isla. Definitely a 9.5 in my book, maybe even a 10 because I've never seen a hotter working girl than her. A girl I'd never seen there before, although she told me she's been working there for a year now, but she doesn't work all days. I asked, what do you do then those other days, you work at Lleras? She looked at me like I was crazy "NO WAY", she said she felt that was way too dangerous. What she did on her off days was visit her regular customers at their homes. But she felt working on the street wasn't a good risk / reward situation for her. I think this was an interesting notition. Girls like her love La Isla because it's safe and they make good, probably better money there than in the streets anyway. Why take the risk going with some random stranger they meet in Lleras.
[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2845980]Wait I thought new life was a massage spot. Same for Zandaly and Chicas Sexi Amigas.[/QUOTE]No. They are casas. Brothels. Energy (Spa Fantasias Energy) tries to pass itself off as a massage spa, but it's still a casa.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2846145]Totally agree with TK. 100 K pesos is ok too.
Remember this is Medellin.
Girls like her go for usd $20 or 30 for an hour or two of sexual and massage service.
All the tourist incels are screwing it all up.
Correction: All the tourist incels have screwed it all up.
The chicas are for sex and massage not for taking out on dates in public.
If you take them out in public you will be laughed at.[/QUOTE]You're partially right. Although almost none of them are for massage, unless they work in an actual massage spa. That is, if you've ever experienced a professional, licensed, clinical massage.
I've been taking Medellin girls out for dates for years, some are just friends, some are non-pros, some are working girls. Never been laughed at. Only rarely have I gotten any nasty looks, and most of those were just glances. I've been to many restaurants, theaters, bars, even strip clubs with the girls. Everyone just takes it in stride.
Whether you just want a quick 20 minute, in and out, or you want to wine and dine and wife up, find what works for your budget and your satisfaction.
Folks,
I have a bit of a cash flow issue due to some timing issues moving money and withdrawing before I flew into Medellin.
My debit card limit has a pretty low limit for withdrawals ($300) and I want to get around $3000.
What is the most effective way to send that money from US to Colombia? PayPal? Western Union?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2846278]Agreed on quality. I mean, it may be true that you can find some of the woman in SA in Parque Leras, Tinder, Facebook, etc. However, there is a subset of chicks that at least to my knowledge are only found in places like SA.
Basically civilians that want to have fun, get some money for whatever the fuck they want the money, but they are not fucking every dude that crosses their path, so that made them like a true girlfriend (perfect -- no drama).
As far as price, some are charging crazy amounts ($300), and they are fucking hot woman, but the competition is so high that you don't have to do that.
I've been able so far to get some for 400 k, 500 k and one really hot one for a multi hour session for 800 k.[/QUOTE]Yes, that makes sense. I expect prices have gone up decently post Covid and almost 2 years since I had those prices.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2846160]$12? That's a steal.[/QUOTE]That is not a steal. That is just how much it costs. It is pussy. Half of the planet has one.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2846160]Cheapest I've done is a girl in Brazil that liked me and didn't want me to pay the bar fine so she told me wait outside for her across the street, she got her things and ran out to come meet me and called a Uber for us. Only wanted $30 from me spent the whole night and morning together.[/QUOTE]That was like the normal price for chicks from Help back in the day in Rio. Also the places downtown in Rio used to be 1 real per minute. In those days it was 4 reais to $1. So 25 cent per minute. $5 for 20 minutes. Other than that there were the $6 places in Ecuador. You have to figure the locals are not making that much money so the prices are aligned with them. Only in places that foreign guys frequent do the prices get jacked up out of proportion.
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2846278]Agreed on quality. I mean, it may be true that you can find some of the woman in SA in Parque Leras, Tinder, Facebook, etc. However, there is a subset of chicks that at least to my knowledge are only found in places like SA.
Basically civilians that want to have fun, get some money for whatever the fuck they want the money, but they are not fucking every dude that crosses their path, so that made them like a true girlfriend (perfect -- no drama).
As far as price, some are charging crazy amounts ($300), and they are fucking hot woman, but the competition is so high that you don't have to do that.
I've been able so far to get some for 400 k, 500 k and one really hot one for a multi hour session for 800 k.[/QUOTE]I could sell you an airport and you would go for it. Seeking is filled with working girls who yes are fucking every dude with enough money to pay them. Think about it, you messaged them, talked them up and agreed on a price. You didn't discover the theory of gravity or gold. You are one of the many dates they have scheduled. Yes some of these girls can be found in other venues, I've personally seen girls from Lleras, tinder and FB on seeking. I also wouldn't negotiate multi hours unless it's a repeat and you can confirm worthiness. Looking for potential GF on seeking is bound for drama. These girls will sell you a dream and an airport.
And this is what a mean by the local economic ecosystem.
Remember, these hoes belong to the street. Fuck why'all doing spending $1000 US! Slap you when I see you! LOL.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2846418]That is not a steal. That is just how much it costs. It is pussy. Half of the planet has one.
That was like the normal price for chicks from Help back in the day in Rio. Also the places downtown in Rio used to be 1 real per minute. In those days it was 4 reais to $1. So 25 cent per minute. $5 for 20 minutes. Other than that there were the $6 places in Ecuador. You have to figure the locals are not making that much money so the prices are aligned with them. Only in places that foreign guys frequent do the prices get jacked up out of proportion.[/QUOTE]
Have someone send you money through Western Union and pick it up from éxito.
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2846371]Folks,
I have a bit of a cash flow issue due to some timing issues moving money and withdrawing before I flew into Medellin.
My debit card limit has a pretty low limit for withdrawals ($300) and I want to get around $3000.
What is the most effective way to send that money from US to Colombia? PayPal? Western Union?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2846371]My debit card limit has a pretty low limit for withdrawals ($300) and I want to get around $3000.[/QUOTE]Call your bank and have then raise it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2846418]That is not a steal. That is just how much it costs. It is pussy. Half of the planet has one.
That was like the normal price for chicks from Help back in the day in Rio. Also the places downtown in Rio used to be 1 real per minute. In those days it was 4 reais to $1. So 25 cent per minute. $5 for 20 minutes. Other than that there were the $6 places in Ecuador. You have to figure the locals are not making that much money so the prices are aligned with them. Only in places that foreign guys frequent do the prices get jacked up out of proportion.[/QUOTE]Half of New York got pussy. Half of Chicago, Miami or LA got pussy. However we don't see $12 rates, not even close. Even if you use PPP / Big Mac index to compare rates, the difference can't be justified.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2846145]Totally agree with TK. 100 K pesos is ok too.
Remember this is Medellin.
Girls like her go for usd $20 or 30 for an hour or two of sexual and massage service.
All the tourist incels are screwing it all up.
Correction: All the tourist incels have screwed it all up.
The chicas are for sex and massage not for taking out on dates in public.
If you take them out in public you will be laughed at.[/QUOTE]Nobody is going to laugh at an old fart with a young tart in tow on a date in public.
However depending on where the pair is they may get some disapproving glances.
An example would be in an elevator where another couple enters and the women gives a disapproving glance which has happened to me. Or if a family is going to enter an elevator and they have kids and see and old fart with a young tart they don't get in the elevator with you.
Or the look of shame when guys are bringing young tarts up to the room.
This all goes with the territory which you get used to, and nobody should care about what others think.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846620]Half of New York got pussy. Half of Chicago, Miami or LA got pussy. However we don't see $12 rates, not even close. Even if you use PPP / Big Mac index to compare rates, the difference can't be justified.[/QUOTE]One thing I have noticed about Medellin is the incredible range of prices for sex. You can go to Gusto in Parque Lleras and pay up to $300 US or go to El Centro or go online [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] and spend a little time hunting around and pay 60 K pesos (around $16) and get the same youth, beauty and passion, in other words the same sex. I suppose the difference is that the Gusto girl is more educated, sophisticated, more fashionably dressed while the 60 K pesos girl lives in a shack with her baby and her mother. So if that presentation and education is important to you, then you do you. I think that for most of us, we aren't looking for the highest SAT scores.
This is also my experience. In a few cases it is actually the same girls. To be fair, that is not something that is apparent to the infrequent visitor or the more casual observer. It's all about perceived value. For example, I'm a Centro rat but there are places and girls in Centro that are below even my low standards, LOL!
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2846628]One thing I have noticed about Medellin is the incredible range of prices for sex. You can go to Gusto in Parque Lleras and pay up to $300 US or go to El Centro or go online [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] and spend a little time hunting around and pay 60 K pesos (around $16) and get the same youth, beauty and passion, in other words the same sex. I suppose the difference is that the Gusto girl is more educated, sophisticated, more fashionably dressed while the 60 K pesos girl lives in a shack with her baby and her mother. So if that presentation and education is important to you, then you do you. I think that for most of us, we aren't looking for the highest SAT scores.[/QUOTE]
There's been a midget working behind the church last few weeks, happy hunting.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2846628]One thing I have noticed about Medellin is the incredible range of prices for sex. You can go to Gusto in Parque Lleras and pay up to $300 US or go to El Centro or go online [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] and spend a little time hunting around and pay 60 K pesos (around $16) and get the same youth, beauty and passion, in other words the same sex. I suppose the difference is that the Gusto girl is more educated, sophisticated, more fashionably dressed while the 60 K pesos girl lives in a shack with her baby and her mother. So if that presentation and education is important to you, then you do you. I think that for most of us, we aren't looking for the highest SAT scores.[/QUOTE]Who is paying 300 us. It's been 2 years since I've been but has it changed that much. Parque lleras and gustos suck. It should be no more than a 100.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2846628]One thing I have noticed about Medellin is the incredible range of prices for sex. You can go to Gusto in Parque Lleras and pay up to $300 US or go to El Centro or go online [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] and spend a little time hunting around and pay 60 K pesos (around $16) and get the same youth, beauty and passion, in other words the same sex. I suppose the difference is that the Gusto girl is more educated, sophisticated, more fashionably dressed while the 60 K pesos girl lives in a shack with her baby and her mother. So if that presentation and education is important to you, then you do you. I think that for most of us, we aren't looking for the highest SAT scores.[/QUOTE]Sorry this is just a bunch of nonsense. There's a huge amount of videos on youtube of the centro girls. If you can point me out some really hotties, 8-9-10's I'll buy you a beer LOL. 98% of those girls are just frikking ugly in my book. There are some doables there for sure but for hot girls you just need to go to different venues like Loutron or La Isla and pay up.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2846623]Nobody is going to laugh at an old fart with a young tart in tow on a date in public.
However depending on where the pair is they may get some disapproving glances.
An example would be in an elevator where another couple enters and the women gives a disapproving glance which has happened to me. Or if a family is going to enter an elevator and they have kids and see and old fart with a young tart they don't get in the elevator with you.
Or the look of shame when guys are bringing young tarts up to the room.
This all goes with the territory which you get used to, and nobody should care about what others think.[/QUOTE]I have experienced that slightly uncomfortable elevator ride when I am with a 18 year old girl and the couple who walks into the elevator is in their 50's or 60's. I am in my late 50's. They look at me and they look at my girl who looks very young and they have a disapproving look but do not say anything. The old guy is probably envious knowing that I am going to bang that young hot girl while he going to his room with the old hag. Ja ja ja.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2846628]One thing I have noticed about Medellin is the incredible range of prices for sex. You can go to Gusto in Parque Lleras and pay up to $300 US or go to El Centro or go online [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/antioquia/medellin/[/URL] and spend a little time hunting around and pay 60 K pesos (around $16) and get the same youth, beauty and passion, in other words the same sex. I suppose the difference is that the Gusto girl is more educated, sophisticated, more fashionably dressed while the 60 K pesos girl lives in a shack with her baby and her mother. So if that presentation and education is important to you, then you do you. I think that for most of us, we aren't looking for the highest SAT scores.[/QUOTE]There has been discussion on this topic, whether it is the same type of girl in terms of youth, beauty and passion. I have looked at the girls in El Centro and in the casas and the girls in Gusto and on Facebook. It is not the SAT score or educational level that separates the girls but it is just a different type of girl, in my humble opinion. Now, I know the El Centro rats would like to believe that. If so, keep believing that because it really can't be proven or disproven in any meaningful way. I just know what I see with my own eyes.
That being said, nothing wrong with good sex with a El Centro girl for 60 k. It gets the job done and your balls are drained.
[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2846574]Have someone send you money through Western Union and pick it up from xito.[/QUOTE]Use Remitly, better exchange rate and lower fee. My baby mama picks up her monthly stipend from me at Exito like clockwork.
[QUOTE=SteelDh;2846530]I could sell you an airport and you would go for it. Seeking is filled with working girls who yes are fucking every dude with enough money to pay them. Think about it, you messaged them, talked them up and agreed on a price. You didn't discover the theory of gravity or gold. You are one of the many dates they have scheduled. These girls will sell you a dream and an airport.[/QUOTE]LOL. She does not usually do it. Just so happened she needed money for a special thing and he was in the right place at the right time. MF peoeple need money for special things everyday. It is called rent, food, transportation. Fucking living. Like you are not going to work everyday but will just go on Thursday because out of nowhere you have to buy medicine. Making excuses for why the girl is a hooker just this one time. How much is that airport?
I can honestly say I give zero fucks about what anyone says or thinks about my dates. One of the biggest benefits of living here is no one can do anything about it except give you stink eye, especially if you keep it legal.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2846692]I have experienced that slightly uncomfortable elevator ride when I am with a 18 year old girl and the couple who walks into the elevator is in their 50's or 60's. I am in my late 50's. They look at me and they look at my girl who looks very young and they have a disapproving look but do not say anything. The old guy is probably envious knowing that I am going to bang that young hot girl while he going to his room with the old hag. Ja ja ja.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846620]Half of New York got pussy. Half of Chicago, Miami or LA got pussy. However we don't see $12 rates, not even close. Even if you use PPP / Big Mac index to compare rates, the difference can't be justified.[/QUOTE]Is there not a sucker born every minute? You are seeing the consequences of a bunch of them gathered in New York, Chicago, Miami, Sosua, Cartagena, etc.
It is the same thing with diamonds. Shiny rocks have been sitting in holes in the ground for millions of years and people paid them no nevermind. But just in the past 100 years somebody was able to convince Westerners with more money than they know what do with that a shiny rock is something more valuable than it actually is. Why is it that you never see the population known for selling shiny rocks wearing shiny rocks? Ever tried selling one of those shiny rocks back to them? Maybe you would like to buy some air? I hear it pairs well with overpriced New York pussy.
[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2846669]There's been a midget working behind the church last few weeks, happy hunting.[/QUOTE]You mean a dwarf, not a midget.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2846623]Nobody is going to laugh at an old fart with a young tart in tow on a date in public.
However depending on where the pair is they may get some disapproving glances.
An example would be in an elevator where another couple enters and the women gives a disapproving glance which has happened to me. Or if a family is going to enter an elevator and they have kids and see and old fart with a young tart they don't get in the elevator with you.
Or the look of shame when guys are bringing young tarts up to the room.
This all goes with the territory which you get used to, and nobody should care about what others think.[/QUOTE]I just chatter away with the gals and people think I'm her grandfather.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2846681]Sorry this is just a bunch of nonsense. There's a huge amount of videos on youtube of the centro girls. If you can point me out some really hotties, 8-9-10's I'll buy you a beer LOL. 98% of those girls are just frikking ugly in my book. There are some doables there for sure but for hot girls you just need to go to different venues like Loutron or La Isla and pay up.[/QUOTE]Although I'm not a Centro rat, I used to spend a few hours there every day, just walking around and enjoying the ambiance. Now I have no idea what an 8, 9, or 10 is to you. A great deal of experience and observation has taught me that each man has his own preferences. I also know that if you walk through once, especially with a camera out, you probably won't see anything worth seeing. You have to keep making the rounds and you'll spot them, the ones you'll never find watching YouTube videos from guys who know next to nothing about the area (if they knew anything they wouldn't be posting the videos).
It's like the guys who find treasures in thrift stores. They don't go to 1 thrift store 1 time and find a $1,000 antique for $2. 50. They go to all of them, searching until they find the treasure.
[QUOTE=SteelDh;2846530]I could sell you an airport and you would go for it. Seeking is filled with working girls who yes are fucking every dude with enough money to pay them. Think about it, you messaged them, talked them up and agreed on a price. You didn't discover the theory of gravity or gold. You are one of the many dates they have scheduled. Yes some of these girls can be found in other venues, I've personally seen girls from Lleras, tinder and FB on seeking. I also wouldn't negotiate multi hours unless it's a repeat and you can confirm worthiness. Looking for potential GF on seeking is bound for drama. These girls will sell you a dream and an airport.[/QUOTE]Wise post and good advice gents, I agree.
From my first trip in August I can say that there is definitely a difference in the quality of girls between El Centro and other venues. What I found anecdotally is that paying more will get you better girls and a better experience but only up to a point. I found that after 400 000 pesos paying more does not get you anything extra: you can spend 300 $ on a Gusto girl but she will not be hotter or give better service than an attractive FB girl that you pay 300-400 k.
However I found there was a huge difference between the 70 k COP girls and the 300-400 k girls. I did not see any girl below 150 k that I wanted to bang so for me 150-400 k is the sweet spot for quality and price.
Trust me he's bangs young pussy too. He lives in pussy heaven. He might not roll like you roll.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2846692]I have experienced that slightly uncomfortable elevator ride when I am with a 18 year old girl and the couple who walks into the elevator is in their 50's or 60's. I am in my late 50's. They look at me and they look at my girl who looks very young and they have a disapproving look but do not say anything. The old guy is probably envious knowing that I am going to bang that young hot girl while he going to his room with the old hag. Ja ja ja.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2846859]Trust me he's bangs young pussy too. He lives in pussy heaven. He might not roll like you roll.[/QUOTE]Difference being he doesn't bring his hookers home for all his neighbors / friends / family to see or his wife to run into. I don't bring them where I live either, prefer love hotels.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2846681]Sorry this is just a bunch of nonsense. There's a huge amount of videos on youtube of the centro girls. If you can point me out some really hotties, 8-9-10's I'll buy you a beer LOL. 98% of those girls are just frikking ugly in my book. There are some doables there for sure but for hot girls you just need to go to different venues like Loutron or La Isla and pay up.[/QUOTE]There really are. You have to do some hunting around and if your specific requirements are no tattoos, barely legal and big natural breasts then you might have to pay more. Or maybe not. Sometimes just the fact that something costs more makes it seem better. "Cheap sex worker" has a stigma, however what's wrong with looking for bargains in sex just like anything else?
I do a lot of running. What's the difference between $50 running shoes and $200 running shoes? $150.
[QUOTE=MonoSinLuz;2845012]Disclaimer: this is a crosspost from the "Seeking Arrangement" forum, although I have made some editions.
Folks,
I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA (seeking arrangement) there.
I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks, but I have not talked money with anyone yet, I just have been filtering out pros because I'm looking for the civilian type.
My last sugar baby relationships date from before the pandemic, so I don't have a good reference in price. I think I read earlier here folks saying 500 K COP, which sounds super reasonable (to me, given the quality of the woman) but I want to get your opinion hopefully based on your current experience. What is a fair price these days for a really young and tight 20 y / o hottie?
I read elsewhere folks talking about 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just yesterday quoted $500 by a pretty hot 25 y / o in TX.
So for Medellin, would $100 be a good amount not to offend the girl right out the bat? $150?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Mono, try not to talk price. The best sessions I had were women who fucked me without a price, and when we were done, I gave them a gift but a lot of times even giving a gift would have almost been insulting as the women were not the hooker types.
I typically gave the hotter women $100 which was 5,000 COP but now is only 4,000 so you might have to start out at $125.
The most I paid was $140 which would be 6400 COP now but that was with a 9 who let me fuck her bare and she was amazing in bed.
I agree with every bit of this except the part about you not being a Centro rat. You might be missing a whisker or two but this kind of understanding is not common outside of the rat's nest.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2846781]Although I'm not a Centro rat, I used to spend a few hours there every day, just walking around and enjoying the ambiance. Now I have no idea what an 8, 9, or 10 is to you. A great deal of experience and observation has taught me that each man has his own preferences. I also know that if you walk through once, especially with a camera out, you probably won't see anything worth seeing. You have to keep making the rounds and you'll spot them, the ones you'll never find watching YouTube videos from guys who know next to nothing about the area (if they knew anything they wouldn't be posting the videos).
It's like the guys who find treasures in thrift stores. They don't go to 1 thrift store 1 time and find a $1,000 antique for $2. 50. They go to all of them, searching until they find the treasure.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2846855]From my first trip in August I can say that there is definitely a difference in the quality of girls between El Centro and other venues. What I found anecdotally is that paying more will get you better girls and a better experience but only up to a point. I found that after 400 000 pesos paying more does not get you anything extra: you can spend 300 $ on a Gusto girl but she will not be hotter or give better service than an attractive FB girl that you pay 300-400 k.
However I found there was a huge difference between the 70 k COP girls and the 300-400 k girls. I did not see any girl below 150 k that I wanted to bang so for me 150-400 k is the sweet spot for quality and price.[/QUOTE]300-400 k is a good price range if one is looking for a cute, above average looking girl, I would say 7-7. 5/10 that provides decent GFE service. Maybe a few years ago, it was possible to have an 8+ girl for that rate. But nowadays, due to various reasons, the best looking girls out there charge more, 500-700 k, so if one wants quality, he has to pay up. I agree 300 USD is bizzare and applies to Gusto specifically. I rarely have been quoted that much anywhere else. The hottest girls online, cream of the crop, would quote somewhere between 650 and 1 million pesos, and normally after some negotiations, would settle for less.
[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2846855]From my first trip in August I can say that there is definitely a difference in the quality of girls between El Centro and other venues. What I found anecdotally is that paying more will get you better girls and a better experience but only up to a point. I found that after 400 000 pesos paying more does not get you anything extra: you can spend 300 $ on a Gusto girl but she will not be hotter or give better service than an attractive FB girl that you pay 300-400 k.
However I found there was a huge difference between the 70 k COP girls and the 300-400 k girls. I did not see any girl below 150 k that I wanted to bang so for me 150-400 k is the sweet spot for quality and price.[/QUOTE]I pull these from Seeking. What qualification does it require to be on seeking? You just have to pay for what you like from where you find them. The first difference is really how they are dressed between different venus
My experience is that if you put in the work, you can get a good quality GFE girl for 150 - 250 k. Girls who charge more are either hardened pros or chicas who "think" they deserve that much because some other chica friend said she should charge that much. Now if you are into fake tits, fake ass, surgeries, fake designer clothes, bags, and shoes, etc. Then you probably have to pay more to get that. Not might kind of girl. But just because you pay more doesn't mean the service will be better. In some cases, it will be average or worse, depending on the chica. If you don't have much time and don't visit MDE very often, then maybe paying 300-400 K makes your life easier and you don't care. But most chicas are not worth that much.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846920]300-400 k is a good price range if one is looking for a cute, above average looking girl, I would say 7-7. 5/10 that provides decent GFE service. Maybe a few years ago, it was possible to have an 8+ girl for that rate. But nowadays, due to various reasons, the best looking girls out there charge more, 500-700 k, so if one wants quality, he has to pay up. I agree 300 USD is bizzare and applies to Gusto specifically. I rarely have been quoted that much anywhere else. The hottest girls online, cream of the crop, would quote somewhere between 650 and 1 million pesos, and normally after some negotiations, would settle for less.[/QUOTE]
Full disclosure, I am not a Seeking Arrangement user. All the same, I can't help but think this post is misleading. The girls have to be on the average more attractive than this lot.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2846930]I pull these from Seeking. What qualification does it require to be on seeking? You just have to pay for what you like from where you find them. The first difference is really how they are dressed between different venus[/QUOTE]
I use SA everywhere even at home in the US.
I have a few dates set up in MDE for 300-400 COP. That's a date with several hours and sex after (no time limit) not a come up and fuck me. One is even like I take what you give me. I also have a few from SA that are just workers. For them 150-200 COP since its strictly show up and fuck then leave.
I also like the flaca with small tits and a tiny ass. I know its not the Colombian way. If you have a few in your back pocket and care to share, DM me (of course the flaca you can put a few in your back pocket jaja).
[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2846944]My experience is that if you put in the work, you can get a good quality GFE girl for 150 - 250 k. Girls who charge more are either hardened pros or chicas who "think" they deserve that much because some other chica friend said she should charge that much. Now if you are into fake tits, fake ass, surgeries, fake designer clothes, bags, and shoes, etc. Then you probably have to pay more to get that. Not might kind of girl. But just because you pay more doesn't mean the service will be better. In some cases, it will be average or worse, depending on the chica. If you don't have much time and don't visit MDE very often, then maybe paying 300-400 K makes your life easier and you don't care. But most chicas are not worth that much.[/QUOTE]150-250 k will get you an average or below average looking chica. But for a monger who has been sex deprived at home for years, or has been fucking uglies, or women of more or less of his age, any young street urchin looks like a hottie.
What a chica is worth is determined by supply and demand, not by what you and me think. If she quotes you 500 k and can actually get 500 k from someone, then this is what she is worth. You might think is she not worth 500 k, or maybe she is just not in your budget, but this is not really her problem, but yours.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846979]150-250 k will get you an average or below average looking chica. But for a monger who has been sex deprived at home for years, or has been fucking uglies, or women of more or less of his age, any young street urchin looks like a hottie.
What a chica is worth is determined by supply and demand, not by what you and me think. If she quotes you 500 k and can actually get 500 k from someone, then this is what she is worth. You might think is she not worth 500 k, or maybe she is just not in your budget, but this is not really her problem, but yours.[/QUOTE]A lot of factors comes into play and this is one of them. Most of the girls especially the ones 7+, knows their value and how much they are worth. These girls who have years of experience in being a pro, knows exactly what you're thinking when you approach them. It is always better to be polite and treat them with respect. Some pro's will be willing to lower their prices or give you a great deal if they like you. Sometimes you got to treat them like she's your real girl or romance them. They still want them to feel loved and get paid at the same time LOL, but giving them good experience from you will put a word out to your name and their network of friends.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846979]What a chica is worth is determined by supply and demand, not by what you and me think. If she quotes you 500 k and can actually get 500 k from someone, then this is what she is worth. You might think is she not worth 500 k, or maybe she is just not in your budget, but this is not really her problem, but yours.[/QUOTE]Not your problem at all. You can buy pussy quicker than she can sell pussy. And you do not need pussy to pay your bills. She needs money from you to pay hers. Ain't no supply and demand. A freelancer's worth is determined by what she decided to tell you the price is at a particular time and whether or not you decided to accept that price.
So if she tells you the price is 600 and you talk her to 400, she was really not worth 600 in the first place, but only worth 400? What about the guy who paid not only 600 off the bat but added a 100 tip? Was she really worth 700? Or the guy that actually got her to 300? Or even the mf that paid 60 at New Life when she only got half of that? Is she worth that 30 or the 700 that the second guy gave? When are you guys ever going to stop like a chick is doing you a favor by selling pussy?
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846920]300-400 k is a good price range if one is looking for a cute, above average looking girl, I would say 7-7. 5/10 that provides decent GFE service. Maybe a few years ago, it was possible to have an 8+ girl for that rate. But nowadays, due to various reasons, the best looking girls out there charge more, 500-700 k, so if one wants quality, he has to pay up. I agree 300 USD is bizzare and applies to Gusto specifically. I rarely have been quoted that much anywhere else. The hottest girls online, cream of the crop, would quote somewhere between 650 and 1 million pesos, and normally after some negotiations, would settle for less.[/QUOTE]How much would this go for? A girl that models.
[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2846669]There's been a midget working behind the church last few weeks, happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Thanks for repeating my post from 16 days earlier and getting it wrong. August 8 #63056.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2847031]Thanks for repeating my post from 16 days earlier and getting it wrong. August 8 #63056.[/QUOTE]Same shit to me.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846979]150-250 k will get you an average or below average looking chica. But for a monger who has been sex deprived at home for years, or has been fucking uglies, or women of more or less of his age, any young street urchin looks like a hottie.....[/QUOTE]I think he is not talking about Seeking.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846979]
What a chica is worth is determined by supply and demand, not by what you and me think. ....[/QUOTE]There are other elements so that is not entirely true. Not all girls that ask for high price have the same demand. The girls limit their market to a group of gringos who were willing to pay it. Take any of these girl and put them in Centro, how many locals do you think will take them even with 50% off.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2846886]
I typically gave the hotter women $100 which was 5,000 COP but now is only 4,000 so you might have to start out at $125.
The most I paid was $140 which would be 6400 COP now but that was with a 9 who let me fuck her bare and she was amazing in bed.[/QUOTE]Can you add the correct number of zeros to the digit? 4,000 COP is approximately $1.
If you need to look at my map, send a Private message to me.
Or any one of my Maps, because they are about to deleted.
Then send one to management to pay me for all my years of work.
All I ever received was a few dinners.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846920]300-400 k is a good price range if one is looking for a cute, above average looking girl, I would say 7-7. 5/10 that provides decent GFE service. Maybe a few years ago, it was possible to have an 8+ girl for that rate. But nowadays, due to various reasons, the best looking girls out there charge more, 500-700 k, so if one wants quality, he has to pay up. I agree 300 USD is bizzare and applies to Gusto specifically. I rarely have been quoted that much anywhere else. The hottest girls online, cream of the crop, would quote somewhere between 650 and 1 million pesos, and normally after some negotiations, would settle for less.[/QUOTE]I agree w / MiamiBoy on pricing. I do not live in Medellin, so usually only have 1-2 weeks on the ground. No time for extended negotiations. I have a few long time favoritas that are 7-8's that I still pay 300 k to 350 k for 2 hours, but new girls charging referenced rates. They won't always budge much on price, but will have flexibility on time. I find the hotter ones are usually w / o kids and sometimes have fewer citas (due to pricing) so they are open to staying longer. On a per hour basis it has evened out for me.
So you say. 150 - 250 K can get you better than average, especially when you consider not just looks, but also service. There is no need to pay 300+ for great sex. Some guys are paying for a fantasy. To each his own. Some guys pay because they can't negotiate or don't want to negotiate or don't care. I imagine some guys like street urchins and more power to them. I've never been a SW kind of guy and haven't been to a casa in probably 10 years or more. But I'm willing to do the homework and also get recommendations from chicas. Best luck I've had has been with sisters and cousins and friends, most of whom are not in the business. Those are the best to me.
Just because a chica can get some sucker to pay 600 mil, does not mean that is her worth. That is her worth to that one guy. Maybe no one else will pay her that.
For some guys it comes down to budget and I get that. For some guys like me, it comes down to common sense. The reason people have money is because they don't waste the money they have for no reason. Hence the reason why pro athletes make so much money and often go broke shortly after their career is over. No common sense.
I agree it's not her problem. If she asks for 500 mil and sticks with it, it's her issue. Maybe she gets a dumbass to pay it and maybe she doesn't. She's probably too stupid to understand that perhaps taking a little less would get her more clients and more money. They girls are, in general, pretty stupid. But a lot of gringos are pretty stupid also.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2846979]150-250 k will get you an average or below average looking chica. But for a monger who has been sex deprived at home for years, or has been fucking uglies, or women of more or less of his age, any young street urchin looks like a hottie.
What a chica is worth is determined by supply and demand, not by what you and me think. If she quotes you 500 k and can actually get 500 k from someone, then this is what she is worth. You might think is she not worth 500 k, or maybe she is just not in your budget, but this is not really her problem, but yours.[/QUOTE]
Some apparently are willing to pay short-timer pricing, which is fine if that's the best you can do. No excuse for anyone who lives there, frequents there (I go about 10 times a year), or who puts in a little work.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2847165]I agree w / MiamiBoy on pricing. I do not live in Medellin, so usually only have 1-2 weeks on the ground. No time for extended negotiations. I have a few long time favoritas that are 7-8's that I still pay 300 k to 350 k for 2 hours, but new girls charging referenced rates. They won't always budge much on price, but will have flexibility on time. I find the hotter ones are usually w / o kids and sometimes have fewer citas (due to pricing) so they are open to staying longer. On a per hour basis I it has evened out for me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2847019]How much would this go for? A girl that models.[/QUOTE]I doubt you'd find working girls looking like that in Medellin today. The days of banging such girls in Mde are long gone.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2847200]I doubt you'd find working girls looking like that in Medellin today. The days of banging such girls in Mde are long gone.[/QUOTE]Definitely not true.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2847019]How much would this go for? A girl that models.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Turgid;2847200]I doubt you'd find working girls looking like that in Medellin today. The days of banging such girls in Mde are long gone.[/QUOTE]If you're asking if it's just possible to find girls like this the answer is always yes. Gusto is probably the most expensive venue and you might have to get lucky and be there on the right night to see one as hot as your model example but do your research online and you can find them. I talked to chicas that are just as pretty as her on FB just today that are semi-pro type working girls and I see them on on Seeking Arr. That are just as hot but again you have to do your research and develope your approach to see what kind of prices you are going to get. I have my own approach and my own style so as far as prices go YMMV.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2847200]I doubt you'd find working girls looking like that in Medellin today. The days of banging such girls in Mde are long gone.[/QUOTE]I saw this girl on Seeking. I don't know if she is a working girl or not, but I'm sure she is available for the right price. She is the type of a girl I would enjoy going out with, or travel if there is chemistry.
I don't know what she charges, but I would not talk money, unless she brings it up. And if she does, I would offer 600 mil cop or so, and see if she accepts. Now, for 600 I expect to have a few hours long date (possible TLN), not just a quickie.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2847009]Not your problem at all. You can buy pussy quicker than she can sell pussy. And you do not need pussy to pay your bills. She needs money from you to pay hers. Ain't no supply and demand. A freelancer's worth is determined by what she decided to tell you the price is at a particular time and whether or not you decided to accept that price.
So if she tells you the price is 600 and you talk her to 400, she was really not worth 600 in the first place, but only worth 400? What about the guy who paid not only 600 off the bat but added a 100 tip? Was she really worth 700? Or the guy that actually got her to 300? Or even the mf that paid 60 at New Life when she only got half of that? Is she worth that 30 or the 700 that the second guy gave? When are you guys ever going to stop like a chick is doing you a favor by selling pussy?[/QUOTE]I should have said that if she can get 500 mil consistently, then that is what she is worth. I understand that some sucker can pay her a million, but if she can't get a million on a regular basis, this would mean she is not worth a million. The point I was trying to make is the following: if a girl gets 500-700 mil on a consistent basis, she won't be selling her pussy for 150-250 k. Why would she? Makes no sense. A facebook girl selling her pussy for 300 k and having a good customer base, won't sell her pussy for 50 in El Centro. Even if she is brand new to the biz, and gets lucky when some sucker pays her a million, she won't be sticking to 1 million price tag for long, if there are no other mongers willing to pay that much. Sooner or later her rate will go down to be in line with the market.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2846986]Most of the girls especially the ones 7+, knows their value and how much they are worth. These girls who have years of experience in being a pro, knows exactly what you're thinking when you approach them.[/QUOTE]Why would I want a pro with years of experience? LOL. Nah, thanks. I don't like hardened pros that have been run through.
What you said about romance and stuff, definitely works but it works best with semi pros and non pros (my target audience).
She does model, here a publication I found with my Pimeyes account:
[URL]https://thekindredboutique.com/products/lace-trimmed-tank[/URL]
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2847019]How much would this go for? A girl that models.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Balboa;2847202]Definitely not true.[/QUOTE]Definitely true that it's definitely not true. There are plenty of working models to be found on Facebook who are available for a price. Price varies.
I think that regarding pricing and how low you can go depends a lot on what your priorities are.
If you want someone who could be on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, that's probably going to be expensive. I find however that the top tier appearance wise can be a lower tier attitude wise. In my book sex is 50% is appearance and 50% is attitude and passion.
To me, good sex means a woman under 30 (I'm over 60), who is pretty (I guess that means at least a 7), friendly, polite and loves sex. That is available for 60 k COP in Medellin although you may need to spend a few hours either online or on the street in El Centro. If you want to pay 200 k or 500 k you certainly can, and maybe get what you want in 15 minutes, but what's the big rush?
Anyway, just my two cents.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847222]I should have said that if she can get 500 mil consistently, then that is what she is worth. I understand that some sucker can pay her a million, but if she can't get a million on a regular basis, this would mean she is not worth a million. The point I was trying to make is the following: if a girl gets 500-700 mil on a consistent basis, she won't be selling her pussy for 150-250 k. Why would she? Makes no sense. A facebook girl selling her pussy for 300 k and having a good customer base, won't sell her pussy for 50 in El Centro. Even if she is brand new to the biz, and gets lucky when some sucker pays her a million, she won't be sticking to 1 million price tag for long, if there are no other mongers willing to pay that much. Sooner or later her rate will go down to be in line with the market.[/QUOTE]This seems logical, until you learn that prostitution has nothing to do with logic. It simply doesn't work that way.
Almost universally prostitution is the result of need. Very few girls grow up thinking how wonderful it would be to fuck strangers for money. Instead, usually at an early age, often through coercion or force, they're introduced to the concept.
There's no corporate ladder to climb, nothing to drive them except a desire to move beyond prostitution. Fortunately for us and unfortunately for them, there are few opportunities for success that don't involve selling sex.
Some make the best of it, some even learn to enjoy it, at least part of the time. But there is no "what she's worth" crap. The price you're offered is based on 1 of 3 things:
1. How badly she needs the money.
2. How much does she think she can get from you.
3. How much she despises or likes you.
If she really needs to raise 150 k before tomorrow, while she might search for a 600 k or 1,000 k sucker, she's taking the first offer of 150 k or more. If she thinks you're a sucker, desperate to be with her, then her price goes as high as she can get. And if she looks at you and dreads the idea, then she'll try to price herself out of your budget.
And tomorrow, when the Colombian neighbor, who has been giving her 50 k since she was 14, sends her a message, guess who's riding on top of her for 50 k.
As for the rest:
Any girl who has a sufficient customer base to establish her "market rate" is a hardened pro. And unless she markets herself hard to gringos, she's never getting a consistent rate of 150 k or more. Her only hope of getting a consistent pay of 500-600 k is to keep finding gullible gringos who will pass her info on to more gullible gringos.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2847204]If you're asking if it's just possible to find girls like this the answer is always yes. Gusto is probably the most expensive venue and you might have to get lucky and be there on the right night to see one as hot as your model example but do your research online and you can find them. I talked to chicas that are just as pretty as her on FB just today that are semi-pro type working girls and I see them on on Seeking Arr. That are just as hot but again you have to do your research and develope your approach to see what kind of prices you are going to get. I have my own approach and my own style so as far as prices go YMMV.[/QUOTE]My bad, I'm a casa man and used to bang girls looking like that in the casas back in the day. I can't speak for fb or seeking.
Dates: August 14-17.
Arrived at MDE shortly before noon and was through immigration and in my rental car before 12:30. First stop was Oviedo mall where I needed to convert some dollars. There was a good reason why I needed to use the cambios instead of just pulling money from the ATM. After that I headed to get keys to my apartment in Envigado.
Rented a 2 bedroom, 3 bath house, 3 level, only a few steps away from Calle de Buena Mesa. Incredibly convenient for food, and a covered paid parking lot just 2 minutes walk away. Cost was $40 per night, plus $30 cleaning fee. No porteria, no security. WiFi was consistently 30 mbps up and down speed. There's no air conditioning, but with fans in every room it wasn't necessary. There's a washer and dryer and well stocked kitchen. Safes in each bedroom and plenty of towels and clean sheets. Bedrooms are on 1st and 3rd floor, with full bathrooms on each floor. Second floor is set up as an office with a desk. Very quiet and comfortable at night.
Since my girlfriend had just started orientation and training for her new job, I didn't spend much time with her until I arrived in Santa Marta. This worked out well because a couple of girls owed me favors.
The first girl recently started her internship, but couldn't afford to buy scrubs until the end of the month. Instead of waiting to begin, I loaned her 200 k and suggested a method of repayment.
She's 25, about 5'4", all natural GND type in looks. We've known each other for 3 years, but other than a lot of heavy flirting and a few dinners, we've never taken it further. Except I made it clear, this time would be different. She's not a pro in any way.
Original plan was to meet for dinner and go to my apartment. However, a few things came up causing a change of plans. First, her period started the night before. I don't have a problem with that, but I didn't want to deal with the mess at my place. Second, I expected things to get noisy. She's a masochist and to get the most out of her, I needed a place where the noise wouldn't disturb anyone. The final obstacle was the errands she needed to run for grandma. Cancel dinner, pick her up at grandma's and drive straight to Motel Ibiza. It was noisy, it was messy and we both left satisfied. We spent about 2 hours, cost was the 200 k I'd already given her for the scrubs, although she's convinced she still owes me.
Second girl is another I've known for over 3 years. Met her from buying videos at the beginning of the pandemic. Someone gave her my WhatsApp and out of the blue I started getting videocalls from her. With the other girls I made a deal. I would send them a set amount of money, 1 time. They would send videos which they felt were a fair trade. If I thought they had done a fair trade, I was open to buy again. Almost all of them failed. This girl, however, just kept going, before I could even offer to send money. Videos, solo and with a girlfriend, video calls, pictures. I sent a bit of money a few times, but it almost didn't seem to matter. When I was able to get to Medellin she came over, refused to name a price, stayed for 2 hours and seemed thrilled with 200 k. That was the last time I paid her.
I've been avoiding her over the past 18 months due to the girlfriend, but decided it was time for a visit. Besides I had a gift for her, a little $30 heater. She lives high in the mountains about an hour away from Medellin and it gets pretty cold there. She asked if she could introduce me to her friend. Of course.
Finding her house was a nightmare, but I finally arrived. Her friend showed up a few minutes later. Once they were both ready we went to La Rufina for dinner. It's worth checking out, although it's pretty far out of town. After dinner we took the long drive to my place. The plan was for them both to spend the night.
My friend is medium height with tiny feet and very large breasts. She's my idea of what "thick" should look like, lots of curves, all natural, with a small waist and everything firm. Her friend is bigger and chubby in my book, although not enough to be a problem. For DD cup fans, she's over qualified. Both have pretty faces.
What followed was more of a trio than a threesome, although there was some interaction with the girls. No phones were used, except to provide music. BBBJ and DFK were standard, as was CFS. My friend had brought an extremely noisy vibrator which was shared. When we were finished the sheets were soaked, so I left them upstairs and went to sleep in the downstairs bedroom. Woke them up at the agreed upon time, called an Uber for the other girl to take her to work. Gave my friend 50 k for the driver she got in touch with. Other than dinner, that was all I spent.
Once they were gone, I cleaned up, finished packing and got on the road to Santa Marta.
Been awhile since I scrolled thru the MDE forum. I absolutely miss you guys and I seriously miss MDE. Hopefully some day I can make my way back. Happy hunting fellas!!
[QUOTE=Turgid;2847200]I doubt you'd find working girls looking like that in Medellin today. The days of banging such girls in Mde are long gone.[/QUOTE]Why you say that? Met a girl and her twin sister in Cancun they were working at the "strip club" out there, both look like models had old drunk men rubbing up on them. Anywhere else they would be living in a penthouse with a rich dude.
We owe you a deb of gratitude Sir.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2847120]If you need to look at my map, send a Private message to me.
Or any one of my Maps, because they are about to deleted.
Then send one to management to pay me for all my years of work.
All I ever received was a few dinners.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847364]This seems logical, until you learn that prostitution has nothing to do with logic. It simply doesn't work that way.
Almost universally prostitution is the result of need. Very few girls grow up thinking how wonderful it would be to fuck strangers for money. Instead, usually at an early age, often through coercion or force, they're introduced to the concept.
There's no corporate ladder to climb, nothing to drive them except a desire to move beyond prostitution. Fortunately for us and unfortunately for them, there are few opportunities for success that don't involve selling sex.
Some make the best of it, some even learn to enjoy it, at least part of the time. But there is no "what she's worth" crap. The price you're offered is based on 1 of 3 things:
1. How badly she needs the money.
2. How much does she think she can get from you.
3. How much she despises or likes you.
If she really needs to raise 150 k before tomorrow, while she might search for a 600 k or 1,000 k sucker, she's taking the first offer of 150 k or more. If she thinks you're a sucker, desperate to be with her, then her price goes as high as she can get. And if she looks at you and dreads the idea, then she'll try to price herself out of your budget.
And tomorrow, when the Colombian neighbor, who has been giving her 50 k since she was 14, sends her a message, guess who's riding on top of her for 50 k.
As for the rest:
Any girl who has a sufficient customer base to establish her "market rate" is a hardened pro. And unless she markets herself hard to gringos, she's never getting a consistent rate of 150 k or more. Her only hope of getting a consistent pay of 500-600 k is to keep finding gullible gringos who will pass her info on to more gullible gringos.[/QUOTE]Girls in the 600 k+ category are usually doing well, even having very few dates. Some of them are doing much better than you would think, and are probably on a yacht somewhere in Europe, as we speak. I also disagree that a girl has to cater to gringos specifically to get a consistent rate of 150 k+. As Mr E would say, half of MDE got a pussy, however true stunners willing to sell pussy, are scarce even in MDE. These girls can easily cater to wealthy or upper middle class locals. In the grand scheme of things, 100-150 USD is not a lot, and not only gringos can afford those rates. But to command those rates, a girl has to stand out. Nounce posted a few Seeking chicks recently, and most of them will never get 500-600 k simply because they are ugly and don't belong to this price range in the first place.
I can hardly imagine a 600 k girl to be so desperate that she would accept 25% of that, let alone 50 k from her neighbor. Once she reaches that price point on a regular basis, it makes zero sense to fuck her neighbor for 50 k, unless they are fuck buddies and just have casual sex.
Also, a "sufficient customer base" doesn't mean 10's or hundreds of gringos. It could be only a few guys at a time. Couple dates per week or so. Most of the girls who charge more don't need high volume to make the money they need. Even one sugar daddy with a couple of side daddies (as a backup) would be sufficient. Some girls only engage in p4 p to supplement their income. Girls who charge less, rely on a higher volume of customers, and in the case of El centro SW and casas, on a MUCH higher volume. Everybody needs money, but not everybody is starving to the point they have to accept whatever they are offered.
What I noticed is that some posters here are stuck in the past when it comes to prices. The rates have increased substantially since after Covid. Everything got more expensive, airbnbs, flights, etc. Some guys have regulars they know for years, and enjoy grandfathered pricing. Others have long term arrangements, or relationships, and don't hunt anymore, or haven't been in the country in a while, and have no clue about the going rates. You gotta be in the game to know what the rates are.
These are cold hard facts.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2847361]I think that regarding pricing and how low you can go depends a lot on what your priorities are.
If you want someone who could be on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, that's probably going to be expensive. I find however that the top tier appearance wise can be a lower tier attitude wise. In my book sex is 50% is appearance and 50% is attitude and passion.
To me, good sex means a woman under 30 (I'm over 60), who is pretty (I guess that means at least a 7), friendly, polite and loves sex. That is available for 60 k COP in Medellin although you may need to spend a few hours either online or on the street in El Centro. If you want to pay 200 k or 500 k you certainly can, and maybe get what you want in 15 minutes, but what's the big rush?
Anyway, just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847437]Girls in the 600 k+ category are usually doing well, even having very few dates. Some of them are doing much better than you would think, and are probably on a yacht somewhere in Europe, as we speak. I also disagree that a girl has to cater to gringos specifically to get a consistent rate of 150 k+. As Mr E would say, half of MDE got a pussy, however true stunners willing to sell pussy, are scarce even in MDE. These girls can easily cater to wealthy or upper middle class locals. In the grand scheme of things, 100-150 USD is not a lot, and not only gringos can afford those rates. But to command those rates, a girl has to stand out. Nounce posted a few Seeking chicks recently, and most of them will never get 500-600 k simply because they are ugly and don't belong to this price range in the first place.
I can hardly imagine a 600 k girl to be so desperate that she would accept 25% of that, let alone 50 k from her neighbor. Once she reaches that price point on a regular basis, it makes zero sense to fuck her neighbor for 50 k, unless they are fuck buddies and just have casual sex.
Also, a "sufficient customer base" doesn't mean 10's or hundreds of gringos. It could be only a few guys at a time. Couple dates per week or so. Most of the girls who charge more don't need high volume to make the money they need. Even one sugar daddy with a couple of side daddies (as a backup) would be sufficient. Some girls only engage in p4 p to supplement their income. Girls who charge less, rely on a higher volume of customers, and in the case of El centro SW and casas, on a MUCH higher volume. Everybody needs money, but not everybody is starving to the point they have to accept whatever they are offered.
What I noticed is that some posters here are stuck in the past when it comes to prices. The rates have increased substantially since after Covid. Everything got more expensive, airbnbs, flights, etc. Some guys have regulars they know for years, and enjoy grandfathered pricing. Others have long term arrangements, or relationships, and don't hunt anymore, or haven't been in the country in a while, and have no clue about the going rates. You gotta be in the game to know what the rates are.[/QUOTE]Another thing about most of the really hot 8+ girls who won't come see you for less than 500-600 or more is that they won't just fuck anybody. If you are not visually appealing to them you will not be fucking them. They want to see pics of you beforehand. You also have to show them a good time or you won't be seeing them again. But if you have one and they like you and your cock it will be a long date, more of a party with true GFE, not monger GFE, and likely BBFS with MSG. They may even spend the night or you might take them to dinner. They have real jobs or are full time students and are low volume hookers just supplementing their income. Now their job may be as a webcam model, I have been with several, but its still work.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847273]Definitely true that it's definitely not true. There are plenty of working models to be found on Facebook who are available for a price. Price varies.[/QUOTE]Definitely true that you can have citas with working models, want to be models, webcam models, IG girls with more than 50 K followers, chicas starting in porno with scenes on Pornhub, 18-19 years old barrio girls that could be models based on they look, but new to P4P brought to you by their puta amigas. And you will be surprised that price will be 250-500 MIL. You just need a wide network of working girls, patience and some luck.
More facts here but the key point is this kind of activity requires more time, patience, and contacts than most short time visitors have. I like to mix it up from time to time. It's interesting to see what is available in the 200 k to 300 k range.
[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2847446]Definitely true that you can have citas with working models, want to be models, webcam models, IG girls with more than 50 K followers, chicas starting in porno with scenes on Pornhub, 18-19 years old barrio girls that could be models based on they look, but new to P4P brought to you by their puta amigas. And you will be surprised that price will be 250-500 MIL. You just need a wide network of working girls, patience and some luck.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2847442]Another thing about most of the really hot 8+ girls who won't come see you for less than 500-600 or more is that they won't just fuck anybody. If you are not visually appealing to them you will not be fucking them. They want to see pics of you beforehand. You also have to show them a good time or you won't be seeing them again. But if you have one and they like you and your cock it will be a long date, more of a party with true GFE, not monger GFE, and likely BBFS with MSG. They may even spend the night or you might take them to dinner. They have real jobs or are full time students and are low volume hookers just supplementing their income. Now their job may be as a webcam model, I have been with several, but its still work.[/QUOTE]This is 1000000% true.
The stunners in mde will still BBFS, lick your ass, CIM, COF, anal etc. What it comes down to is they must feel comfortable around you.
I think this is just a way for them to feel less guilty about what they're actually doing.
They being hookers but if they feel attracted to a guy they feel like it was more fun than it was about the $$. But of course the $$ is the key.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2847367]My bad, I'm a casa man and used to bang girls looking like that in the casas back in the day. I can't speak for fb or seeking.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I have thing for finding at least one stunner and its easier for me to do online to visit Casas not knowing what I am going to find. Don't we all mourn the days when you can walk into the Mansion and find those stunner girls all day long -FB and Only Fans have ruined that to some extent too. I mourn those days and I have never been to the Mansion LOL. Unfortunately all I did was read about it back then when it was a lurker on the Medellin thread who only went to Cartagena and by the time I made it to Medellin I had to learn the FB scene to find the chicas I was looking for and since the price was the same as a chica in Caratagena at the time (150 k t0 200 k) it didn't matter to me. I could find those stunner girls in LDV every night in Cartagena. When LDV it was in Laguito it was easier because it was big enough to mover around. Now in the LDV of the old city its harder to move around but those stunners are still there too.
As far as pricing goes I believe, IMHO, JjBee62 and Mr International are both right as usual (even if they do not always agree with each other LOL) there are a lot of variables and no fixed prices. YMMV.
A lot of times these girls are thinking in the moment that makes them desperate. Maybe their baby has a birthday or one of their friends has a birthday coming up and none of their "regulars" are in town so they will take something over nothing. Too many variables to caculate. If you negotiate whether or not you fuck her in the end will not come down to what she thinks she is worth it is what you think she is worth. Which is what has ruined the market for us budget guys LOL.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847437]Nounce posted a few Seeking chicks recently, and most of them will never get 500-600 k simply because they are ugly and don't belong to this price range in the first place.[/QUOTE]So show us some girls ON SEEKING that do command this price range. Since Seeking is supposed to be the bee's knees and many guys here say they pay chicks from Seeking that amount, there should be no problem pointing the 600 K chicks on that particular site out.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2847361]To me, good sex means a woman under 30 (I'm over 60), who is pretty (I guess that means at least a 7), friendly, polite and loves sex.[/QUOTE]This begs the question does she have to love sex with guys over 60 the same way that good sex to you means a woman under 30? Or is it still fine that she only loves sex with guys her own age but not older guys?
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847437]Girls in the 600 k+ category are usually doing well, even having very few dates. Some of them are doing much better than you would think, and are probably on a yacht somewhere in Europe, as we speak. I also disagree that a girl has to cater to gringos specifically to get a consistent rate of 150 k+. As Mr E would say, half of MDE got a pussy, however true stunners willing to sell pussy, are scarce even in MDE. These girls can easily cater to wealthy or upper middle class locals. In the grand scheme of things, 100-150 USD is not a lot, and not only gringos can afford those rates. But to command those rates, a girl has to stand out. Nounce posted a few Seeking chicks recently, and most of them will never get 500-600 k simply because they are ugly and don't belong to this price range in the first place.
I can hardly imagine a 600 k girl to be so desperate that she would accept 25% of that, let alone 50 k from her neighbor. Once she reaches that price point on a regular basis, it makes zero sense to fuck her neighbor for 50 k, unless they are fuck buddies and just have casual sex.
Also, a "sufficient customer base" doesn't mean 10's or hundreds of gringos. It could be only a few guys at a time. Couple dates per week or so. Most of the girls who charge more don't need high volume to make the money they need. Even one sugar daddy with a couple of side daddies (as a backup) would be sufficient. Some girls only engage in p4 p to supplement their income. Girls who charge less, rely on a higher volume of customers, and in the case of El centro SW and casas, on a MUCH higher volume. Everybody needs money, but not everybody is starving to the point they have to accept whatever they are offered.
What I noticed is that some posters here are stuck in the past when it comes to prices. The rates have increased substantially since after Covid. Everything got more expensive, airbnbs, flights, etc. Some guys have regulars they know for years, and enjoy grandfathered pricing. Others have long term arrangements, or relationships, and don't hunt anymore, or haven't been in the country in a while, and have no clue about the going rates. You gotta be in the game to know what the rates are.[/QUOTE]That explains the disagreement. In your world all the hookers have MBA's and live in a magical land that's nothing like Colombia, or any other country I've ever heard of.
Maybe, and it's a stretch, 1 out of every 1,000 Colombian hookers get themselves into a stable financial situation and many of those do it by finding other girls to pimp out. You would have us believe that the reason guys have trouble finding hookers is because they are all out of cell range on their yachts in the Mediterranean.
Sure some girls get sugar daddies. Some, particularly webcam models, get several. But the vast majority are living the typical feast or famine life. If they get a good payday, they will party until they're broke, then scramble to get enough to feed their kids, until the next sucker comes along to fund the next binge.
Prostitution is almost never a consciously chosen career path. It's the result of bad decisions and minimal options. That doesn't magically transform into economic savvy, marketing genius and time management mastery.
Fortunately, that means anyone with a bit of cash will always have options.
Ruin the market in Medellin for sure. That's why I moved on. How can you compete with a guy that sending a prostitute a month allowance. LOL!
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2847460]I hear you. I have thing for finding at least one stunner and its easier for me to do online to visit Casas not knowing what I am going to find. Don't we all mourn the days when you can walk into the Mansion and find those stunner girls all day long -FB and Only Fans have ruined that to some extent too. I mourn those days and I have never been to the Mansion LOL. Unfortunately all I did was read about it back then when it was a lurker on the Medellin thread who only went to Cartagena and by the time I made it to Medellin I had to learn the FB scene to find the chicas I was looking for and since the price was the same as a chica in Caratagena at the time (150 k t0 200 k) it didn't matter to me. I could find those stunner girls in LDV every night in Cartagena. When LDV it was in Laguito it was easier because it was big enough to mover around. Now in the LDV of the old city its harder to move around but those stunners are still there too.
As far as pricing goes I believe, IMHO, JjBee62 and Mr International are both right as usual (even if they do not always agree with each other LOL) there are a lot of variables and no fixed prices. YMMV.
A lot of times these girls are thinking in the moment that makes them desperate. Maybe their baby has a birthday or one of their friends has a birthday coming up and none of their "regulars" are in town so they will take something over nothing. Too many variables to caculate. If you negotiate whether or not you fuck her in the end will not come down to what she thinks she is worth it is what you think she is worth. Which is what has ruined the market for us budget guys LOL.[/QUOTE]
I will be taking a holiday from Pattaya in a few months, and am debating to go to either MDE or Rio. I am 100% fluent in Spanish, but my Portuguese is a bit lame.
So, I am reading this forum with great interest (I have been to Rio many times).
How long would you suggest staying in MDE?
It stands to reason that organized forward focused financial planning is not a prominent attribute among prepagos. For example, many of the Centro street girls (some of them with several children) pay a daily fee for their living space. They work the street to get enough dates for food and their daily rent. If they don't earn enough and can't convince their landlord to give them a break (usually in exchange for an extra cost) they will be put out and have to bunk up with a friend or find a spot out on the street.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2847460]I hear you. I have thing for finding at least one stunner and its easier for me to do online to visit Casas not knowing what I am going to find. Don't we all mourn the days when you can walk into the Mansion and find those stunner girls all day long -FB and Only Fans have ruined that to some extent too. I mourn those days and I have never been to the Mansion LOL. Unfortunately all I did was read about it back then when it was a lurker on the Medellin thread who only went to Cartagena and by the time I made it to Medellin I had to learn the FB scene to find the chicas I was looking for and since the price was the same as a chica in Caratagena at the time (150 k t0 200 k) it didn't matter to me. I could find those stunner girls in LDV every night in Cartagena. When LDV it was in Laguito it was easier because it was big enough to mover around. Now in the LDV of the old city its harder to move around but those stunners are still there too.
As far as pricing goes I believe, IMHO, JjBee62 and Mr International are both right as usual (even if they do not always agree with each other LOL) there are a lot of variables and no fixed prices. YMMV.
A lot of times these girls are thinking in the moment that makes them desperate. Maybe their baby has a birthday or one of their friends has a birthday coming up and none of their "regulars" are in town so they will take something over nothing. Too many variables to caculate. If you negotiate whether or not you fuck her in the end will not come down to what she thinks she is worth it is what you think she is worth. Which is what has ruined the market for us budget guys LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847538]That explains the disagreement. In your world all the hookers have MBA's and live in a magical land that's nothing like Colombia, or any other country I've ever heard of.[/QUOTE]They are also models and beauty queens. Nothing wrong with having pride in the prostitute that you pay your money to. Afterall, she is representing what your money can buy.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847538]That explains the disagreement. In your world all the hookers have MBA's and live in a magical land that's nothing like Colombia, or any other country I've ever heard of.
Maybe, and it's a stretch, 1 out of every 1,000 Colombian hookers get themselves into a stable financial situation and many of those do it by finding other girls to pimp out. You would have us believe that the reason guys have trouble finding hookers is because they are all out of cell range on their yachts in the Mediterranean.
Sure some girls get sugar daddies. Some, particularly webcam models, get several. But the vast majority are living the typical feast or famine life. If they get a good payday, they will party until they're broke, then scramble to get enough to feed their kids, until the next sucker comes along to fund the next binge.
Prostitution is almost never a consciously chosen career path. It's the result of bad decisions and minimal options. That doesn't magically transform into economic savvy, marketing genius and time management mastery.
Fortunately, that means anyone with a bit of cash will always have options.[/QUOTE]You are talking about bottom feeders, dirt poor girls, drug addicts, often with kids, living in a shack and trying to make ends meet every day. Most of the girls that I meet don't have MBA degree, but are in a much better position in life. Currently attending college or having a job, living in better neighborhoods, etc. Some are more fortunate because they get supported by parents. We are talking about different categories of girls.
[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2847586]Ruin the market in Medellin for sure. That's why I moved on. How can you compete with a guy that sending a prostitute a month allowance. LOL![/QUOTE]You can't compete with a guy sending a girl a monthly allowance BUT there are plenty of other girls in Medellin. What you can do is move on to other girls. All this talk about guys ruining the market in Medellin is a bit too much. There are plenty of girls in Medellin. Some are priced very high due to their ability to attract guys willing to pay the amount requested but others do not have the luxury of waiting for guys to accept their terms. I have been visiting Medellin a few times now, and I've never had issues with finding young attractive girls for a reasonable price. Now I do encounter a few girls here and there asking for much more than I am willing to pay but I just say it is too much and move on to the next girl. I don't agonize about that particular girl and our inability to agree to terms. There are plenty of girls to chose from.
We all have our circles. I don't notice a shortage of girls in mine. I would say prices overall since the pandemic have very slightly outpaced the rate of inflation. The most recent annual inflation benchmark in Colombia is 13%. Seeking Arrangement, facebook, and Instagram are outlier markets with all sorts of exception cases. Casas and the streets of Centro are more uniform. Both have increased in cost an average 10,000 pesos, which is roughly 20% since the pandemic. The numbers don't account for the intangible of how we manage the sessions and relationships, which is what I think determines our level of satisfaction more than the price paid.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2847634]You can't compete with a guy sending a girl a monthly allowance BUT there are plenty of other girls in Medellin. What you can do is move on to other girls. All this talk about guys ruining the market in Medellin is a bit too much. There are plenty of girls in Medellin. Some are priced very high due to their ability to attract guys willing to pay the amount requested but others do not have the luxury of waiting for guys to accept their terms. I have been visiting Medellin a few times now, and I've never had issues with finding young attractive girls for a reasonable price. Now I do encounter a few girls here and there asking for much more than I am willing to pay but I just say it is too much and move on to the next girl. I don't agonize about that particular girl and our inability to agree to terms. There are plenty of girls to chose from.[/QUOTE]
Yes sir. I know there are plenty of girls in Da'jean. Honestly, Paisa's are a special breed, and I got tired of fucking with them. These are not girls; these are hoes! They belong to the streets. Let's all treat them as such. I've been visiting Da'jean since 2013, Bro!! Shit was off the chain back then! Now casa hoes are ugly and / or provide shitty mechanical service and have the nerve to ask for a tip. Charge crazy amounts for extra. Off to the next Colombian city that I will never disclose in this forum. LOL! I rant about guys ruining the market because I have seen it with my own eyes. I literally overhear hoes talking about up charging a stupid new gringo. This is all a recent phenomenon.
Have you guys ever heard the term Puebliado? 1000 cool points for you if you know what it means. LOL.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2847634]You can't compete with a guy sending a girl a monthly allowance BUT there are plenty of other girls in Medellin. What you can do is move on to other girls. All this talk about guys ruining the market in Medellin is a bit too much. There are plenty of girls in Medellin. Some are priced very high due to their ability to attract guys willing to pay the amount requested but others do not have the luxury of waiting for guys to accept their terms. I have been visiting Medellin a few times now, and I've never had issues with finding young attractive girls for a reasonable price. Now I do encounter a few girls here and there asking for much more than I am willing to pay but I just say it is too much and move on to the next girl. I don't agonize about that particular girl and our inability to agree to terms. There are plenty of girls to chose from.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2847656]Yes sir. I know there are plenty of girls in Da'jean. Honestly, Paisa's are a special breed, and I got tired of fucking with them. These are not girls; these are hoes! They belong to the streets. Let's all treat them as such. I've been visiting Da'jean since 2013, Bro!! Shit was off the chain back then! Now casa hoes are ugly and / or provide shitty mechanical service and have the nerve to ask for a tip. Charge crazy amounts for extra. Off to the next Colombian city that I will never disclose in this forum. LOL! I rant about guys ruining the market because I have seen it with my own eyes. I literally overhear hoes talking about up charging a stupid new gringo. This is all a recent phenomenon.
Have you guys ever heard the term Puebliado? 1000 cool points for you if you know what it means. LOL.[/QUOTE]So now it's the'jean? Got to learn a whole new lingo. I'll pass on the 1,000 points too. Don't hang in the same circles but that's ok. We all run with our own packs.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847629]You are talking about bottom feeders, dirt poor girls, drug addicts, often with kids, living in a shack and trying to make ends meet every day. Most of the girls that I meet don't have MBA degree, but are in a much better position in life. Currently attending college or having a job, living in better neighborhoods, etc. Some are more fortunate because they get supported by parents. We are talking about different categories of girls.[/QUOTE]Do you write plots for Disney? Maybe The Hallmark Channel?
I'm talking about prostitutes. Women who exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value. I'm not talking about a Disney Princess or any other fantasy.
"Hey dad! I'm going out tonight to fuck a gringo for money. Could you give me 300 mil so I can get my hair and nails done and buy a new outfit? Thanks! Don't worry. I know I've got a test tomorrow in my biomedical engineering class. I'll be home by 11. Love ya!" Sure must be nice to have such understanding, financially secure parents.
The girls you see, the girls everyone sees, almost every single time, come from poor families with no resources and too many kids. There's not a large pool of middle and upper class girls, enrolled in university, seeing an occasional gringo on the side, to pay for their yacht anchored in Mallorca.
There are however, many girls who will tell any lie to convince the gullible guys, who can't speak the language, they deserve to get paid more.
Go to her place, in the "better neighborhood. " It's either not in a better neighborhood, or she's sharing it with several other hookers (who will probably get thrown out soon because they aren't responsible enough with their money to pay the rent. Go to her university. Check out her class schedule.
Unfortunately, most guys went through that phase of believing everything the hookers told us. But then we learned some Spanish, started paying attention and simply did the math.
Some prostitutes are smarter than others. They realize that PT Barnum was absolutely correct. A sucker is born every minute and a whole bunch of them have US Passports.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2846681]Sorry this is just a bunch of nonsense. There's a huge amount of videos on youtube of the centro girls. If you can point me out some really hotties, 8-9-10's I'll buy you a beer LOL. 98% of those girls are just frikking ugly in my book. There are some doables there for sure but for hot girls you just need to go to different venues like Loutron or La Isla and pay up.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. *Shrug*.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2846781]
It's like the guys who find treasures in thrift stores. They don't go to 1 thrift store 1 time and find a $1,000 antique for $2. 50. They go to all of them, searching until they find the treasure.[/QUOTE]The problem w this analogy is that must of us don't go the centro looking for antiques. We are happy w just a comfortable chair for a while.
[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2846885]
I do a lot of running. What's the difference between $50 running shoes and $200 running shoes? $150.[/QUOTE]Haha. And nicer packaging.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847224]Why would I want a pro with years of experience? LO.[/QUOTE]The more peculiar is, why would you want one without years of experience?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2847489]This begs the question does she have to love sex with guys over 60 the same way that good sex to you means a woman under 30? Or is it still fine that she only loves sex with guys her own age but not older guys?[/QUOTE]Well, it means I'm convinced that she's enjoying sex with me. I'm not a mind reader. Unfortunately I don't know of any way to know for sure that a woman is having an orgasm. But at least I'm convinced that she's having fun and probably multiple orgasms.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2847488]So show us some girls ON SEEKING that do command this price range. Since Seeking is supposed to be the bee's knees and many guys here say they pay chicks from Seeking that amount, there should be no problem pointing the 600 K chicks on that particular site out.[/QUOTE]I don't know about seeking, never used it. But if I can give an example, google the Colombia porn actress "Daniela Antury". I'm sure not everybody's cup of tea, I know a lot of guys look for natural, but in my book girls like this are 9's at least. I'm sure that if she'd worked at Gustos she'd be selling her pussy every night for at least $300, without problems. If she'd be smart she'd go to Dubai and work for at least $1000-$1500 a night and still be really busy.
Like MiamiBoy1 pointed out, such girl would never sell her pussy for 60 k in el centro. Never.
What's the better deal. Exchanging at a bank or just doing withdraws from an ATM?
Also is there a limit set by the ATM / Colombian bank on amount each withdrawal and max daily withdrawal. I am NOT asking about MY bank limits I know what they are.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847629]You are talking about bottom feeders, dirt poor girls, drug addicts, often with kids, living in a shack and trying to make ends meet every day. Most of the girls that I meet don't have MBA degree, but are in a much better position in life. Currently attending college or having a job, living in better neighborhoods, etc. Some are more fortunate because they get supported by parents. We are talking about different categories of girls.[/QUOTE]"Currently attending college " that is absurd, every one of these working girls will tell ya they are students, [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847683]Do you write plots for Disney? Maybe The Hallmark Channel?
I'm talking about prostitutes. Women who exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value. I'm not talking about a Disney Princess or any other fantasy.
"Hey dad! I'm going out tonight to fuck a gringo for money. Could you give me 300 mil so I can get my hair and nails done and buy a new outfit? Thanks! Don't worry. I know I've got a test tomorrow in my biomedical engineering class. I'll be home by 11. Love ya!" Sure must be nice to have such understanding, financially secure parents.
The girls you see, the girls everyone sees, almost every single time, come from poor families with no resources and too many kids. There's not a large pool of middle and upper class girls, enrolled in university, seeing an occasional gringo on the side, to pay for their yacht anchored in Mallorca.
[/QUOTE]You never worked while in college? Me personally, I don't come from a wealthy family but when I was their age, my parents covered my basic needs. Food, rent (room, not the whole apartment), tuition. For everything else, like, clothing, new computer, spare money to hang out with friends, etc I had to work summer jobs and gigs. Same shit with these girls. Every time you reply to my posts, you go from one extreme to the other, argue for the sake of arguing.
As to the pool of girls enrolled in university, MDE is 2. 56 million people city, and I'm sure there are THOUSANDS if not tens of thousands college girl. And yes, some of them are willing to sell pussy, either to be able to afford tuition, or earn some spare cash. You call them prostitutes, simply because they "exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value", and that's fine, maybe they are, but definitely not the same prostitutes selling pussy on the street just to get high after.
Do you support your "gf" financially? Do you buy her gifts? Do you pay for her travel expenses and shit? If so, by your definition, she might as well be a prostitute.
[QUOTE=Eustisflman;2847745]What's the better deal. Exchanging at a bank or just doing withdraws from an ATM?
Also is there a limit set by the ATM / Colombian bank on amount each withdrawal and max daily withdrawal. I am NOT asking about MY bank limits I know what they are.[/QUOTE]I think you have to have an account at the bank to exchange. It's best to use an ATM. You will get the rate set by Visa or MasterCard or whatever clearing house your card is tied to. The rate you get is real close to the closing rate two business days before the withdrawal. In other words, today (Tuesday) you will get last Friday's closing rate. Most banks charge a fee for using their ATM, and your bank may charge an out-of-network fee. Be sure to decline the exchange rate offered by the bank at the ATM.
The Colombian banks set a limit on each withdrawal and a daily limit.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847683]There's not a large pool of middle and upper class girls, enrolled in university, seeing an occasional gringo on the side[/QUOTE]That is literally all my gal's friends and family. A number of her friends have foreign boyfriends, speak multiple languages, and are university educated.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847683]I'm talking about prostitutes. Women who exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value. I'm not talking about a Disney Princess or any other fantasy.[/QUOTE]What women exchange sex for nothing? To quote Rich Cooper, Remove sex from a relationship, and you will discover that 90% of women have nothing to offer men in relationships.
Conversely, remove money from a relationship, and you will learn that 90% of women won't see a reason to be in said relationship. Are you saying that is not true?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847683]"Hey dad! I'm going out tonight to fuck a gringo for money. Could you give me 300 mil so I can get my hair and nails done and buy a new outfit? Thanks! Don't worry. I know I've got a test tomorrow in my biomedical engineering class. I'll be home by 11. Love ya!" Sure must be nice to have such understanding, financially secure parents.[/QUOTE]Shaking my head. For the most part, almost all college students, even the ones with rich parents, have very little walking around money. You are just clueless as usual.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847683]The girls you see, the girls everyone sees, almost every single time, come from poor families with no resources and too many kids. Go to her university. Check out her class schedule. Unfortunately, most guys went through that phase of believing everything the hookers told us. But then we learned some Spanish, started paying attention and simply did the math.[/QUOTE]Again, I am shaking my head. I have seen gals studying medicine do physiology homework, a teacher designing a lesson program in her school's uniform, a physical therapist studying anatomy. What fucking math are you talking about? You have your head in the sand and think you know it all. Your posts speak volumes about the kind of women you are seeing.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847683]There are however, many girls who will tell any lie to convince the gullible guys, who can't speak the language, they deserve to get paid more.[/QUOTE]Oh brother. The women are paid with gifts, trips, dinners ETC, and they pay us back with sex, massages, cooking meals, and companionship. The trash you hang out with is always aiming for a buck; the women I know are constantly trying to prove their worth as a quality companion.
Here is Rich Cooper again, Women that don't clean, cook, give hummers or are willing to take their man's last name are always asking: "Where are the good men?
The good men just finished eating dinner, relaxing in their clean house about to get a hummer from a woman that took his last name.
I haven't had a problem finding women like that in Colombia. Apparently, the only women you know give hummers and have their hands out after.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2847785]I think you have to have an account at the bank to exchange. It's best to use an ATM. You will get the rate set by Visa or MasterCard or whatever clearing house your card is tied to. The rate you get is real close to the closing rate two business days before the withdrawal. In other words, today (Tuesday) you will get last Friday's closing rate. Most banks charge a fee for using their ATM, and your bank may charge an out-of-network fee. Be sure to decline the exchange rate offered by the bank at the ATM.
The Colombian banks set a limit on each withdrawal and a daily limit.[/QUOTE]Just to confirm, does this mean its a bad idea to exchange USD cash for Colombian Pesos at the MDE airport through the exchange tellers when you first arrive? Its recommended to just go to an ATM and withdraw a few times instead?
[QUOTE=JustTK;2847695]Haha. And nicer packaging.[/QUOTE]Amazing how much you can get something for when the packaging is fucked up. Fucked up packaging is what I look for on Amazon because I know it will be at least 20% off. In the over 20 years that I have had my house I have bought 2 under the cabinet microwaves. The original was 25% off because the box was fucked up. Get it out to the car and I have to take it out of the box for it to fit. The second one was 50% off because they did not have a box for it. Joke was on them since it would not have fit in the car in the box anyway.
The other day I scheduled for a hooker to come over. She said she had to take a shower and put on a little makeup first. I said no makeup. She refused to come if she had to show up as her natural self. That packaging means so much to some people that they are willing to pay more for that than the item itself.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847784]Every time you reply to my posts, you go from one extreme to the other, argue for the sake of arguing. You call them prostitutes, simply because they "exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value", and that's fine, maybe they are, but definitely not the same prostitutes selling pussy on the street just to get high after.[/QUOTE]You just went to the extreme. Why does the prostitute selling pussy on the street have to be doing it to get high? If the one on the street is doing it to keep a roof over her head and feed her family then would she be honored with the same grade of hooker as the one at the university? What if the hooker at the university is using the money to buy an iPhone and tussi instead of books and computers for school use? You talk as if there are only 2 groups of hookers: drug addict street ones and university ones struggling to get their day to day needs or school supplies. We all know better.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2847785]I think you have to have an account at the bank to exchange. It's best to use an ATM. You will get the rate set by Visa or MasterCard or whatever clearing house your card is tied to. The rate you get is real close to the closing rate two business days before the withdrawal. In other words, today (Tuesday) you will get last Friday's closing rate. Most banks charge a fee for using their ATM, and your bank may charge an out-of-network fee. Be sure to decline the exchange rate offered by the bank at the ATM.
The Colombian banks set a limit on each withdrawal and a daily limit.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know what the max withdrawal and daily limits are?
Thanks for the info!
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2847744]...such girl would never sell her pussy for 60 k in el centro. Never.[/QUOTE]Personally I wouldn't give her even 40 k if I saw her in centro and I'm not even joking.
I can only fuck so much and there are many better looking girls than can be found there, and some with bigger natural tits, 18-19 yo's with cute non-operated faces (and yes many many worse looking hags there as well).
IMO she's ugly (they key word is IMO).
But it's good when posters send examples of what they consider 9 or hot, goes to show how personal tastes differ, and nothing wrong with that, everybody should enjoy what they personally like.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2847744]such girl would never sell her pussy for 60 k in el centro. Never.[/QUOTE]But the point is that there is a very good chance that she used to. It would be the same girl. Only difference is she now charges more and does it in public.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2847797]Conversely, remove money from a relationship, and you will learn that 90% of women won't see a reason to be in said relationship. Are you saying that is not true?[/QUOTE]Maybe you have had money all of your life or was never able to get a chick until you got money. Speaking from a mf that has not always had money but has never had a problem getting chicks, I will say that is definitely not true. Hell my cousin has not worked in 20 years yet never has a problem finding a chick to take care of him. He is 52 years old and now lives with a chick that has a docorate degree.
[QUOTE=Kyser;2847811]Just to confirm, does this mean its a bad idea to exchange USD cash for Colombian Pesos at the MDE airport through the exchange tellers when you first arrive? Its recommended to just go to an ATM and withdraw a few times instead?[/QUOTE]Unless your bank charges very high fees, it's almost always better to use an ATM. If you have to exchange at the arrival area of the airport, only exchange what you plan to need until you can get to an exchange in town or to an ATM because the rates at the airport are not good. You can search for "money exchanges" in Medellin and see on their websites what they are paying. Every one will be different. Then look at [URL]xe.com[/URL] and see the real exchange rate. Make your decisions from that information. The one unknown is the fee charged by the ATM bank, which you will not know until you go to the ATM.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2847878]Personally I wouldn't give her even 40 k if I saw her in centro and I'm not even joking.
I can only fuck so much and there are many better looking girls than can be found there, and some with bigger natural tits, 18-19 yo's with cute non-operated faces (and yes many many worse looking hags there as well).
IMO she's ugly (they key word is IMO).
But it's good when posters send examples of what they consider 9 or hot, goes to show how personal tastes differ, and nothing wrong with that, everybody should enjoy what they personally like.[/QUOTE]One guys says she is a hot. Another guy says not even worth 40 mil. That is a wide disparity in personal taste but it does go to show how worthless these 1 to 10 rating scales are. Guy says he just banged a "10". Without a picture, it is really a meaningless statement. It just means that he banged a girl he personally considers a "10" in his eyes and it could be a "7" to other guys.
In the end, it really doesn't matter. As long as she is attractive to you, that is all that matters. Now, for bragging purposes, I guess it matters but then you need to show some pictures.
[QUOTE=Eustisflman;2847868]Does anyone know what the max withdrawal and daily limits are?
Thanks for the info![/QUOTE]That varies by bank. I use Davivienda ATM's. The max withdrawal at one time is 2 million pesos. You can make multiple withdrawals in one day. I don't know their daily limit because I have $1000 daily limit with my Schwab card, and I can withdraw that amount. With BBVA bank, I think the max per transaction is 400 mil. I don't know if you can do multiple withdrawals in one day. At Scotiabank Colpatria, the max per transaction is 900 mil, and you can withdraw either three or four times daily. I don't know any of the limits at Bancolombia because I stopped using them years ago when they started charging a fee before hardly any other bank. Now almost all banks charge an ATM fee. I think Davivienda and BBVA do not charge fees.
Before anyone chimes in, I know Schwab, and some others, will reimburse the ATM fees if they are stated on the transaction, but I don't like to reward some banks when others don't charge a fee.
I hope this will end this discussion on this thread because it should be discussed in the "General Information" thread.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2847797]
Again, I am shaking my head. I have seen gals studying medicine do physiology homework, a teacher designing a lesson program in her school's uniform, a physical therapist studying anatomy. [/QUOTE]Has anyone got the phone number of the physical therapist studying anatomy?? She can come over and study my anatomy. All for the sake of passing her exams of course. I very strongly support higher education for women.
[QUOTE=Eustisflman;2847868]Does anyone know what the max withdrawal and daily limits are?
![/QUOTE]That depends on both the local and your own bank. Your limits may be different to other folks'.
I've been here for the past 6 weeks. Girl quantity and quality by the pool has varied each day. Seems to come and go. But most guys have enough regulars coming in from the outside. The bar has been the same way. Although I have met more new girls this trip including several who were at the bar for the first time with a friend who brought them to check it out. Going rate is 250-300 K plus tip or extras if you desire. However, one of my girls who a week ago went to the bar for the first time became a regular for me and we would just meet in the bar each night. She told me the other night that when she arrived to sign in, the "administration" told her to charge no less than 300 K and deny no condom requests or they will not be allowed back in. I've always known there is a bit of a "chicka union" in there but really each girl makes her own price. I paid 250 plus tips for two weeks and even had a couple who did anal and swallow. But I've also had girls who asked for 600 K. Needless to say they didn't go home with anyone. The girls in the bar talk a lot and share information. When I met a new black girl for the first time, I hadn't even finished a sentence and she told me that the girls told her "he likes the darker women" LOL.
For those who love a girl who can take it in the ass, I've had no problem this trip. Sometimes it is just heat of the moment. Not something planned. Here's an ass from one that you just know has been fucked a few times. This girl was a blast, squirted twice and swallowed like a good little ****.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2847744]I don't know about seeking, never used it. But if I can give an example, google the Colombia porn actress "Daniela Antury". I'm sure not everybody's cup of tea, I know a lot of guys look for natural, but in my book girls like this are 9's at least. I'm sure that if she'd worked at Gustos she'd be selling her pussy every night for at least $300, without problems. If she'd be smart she'd go to Dubai and work for at least $1000-$1500 a night and still be really busy.
Like MiamiBoy1 pointed out, such girl would never sell her pussy for 60 k in el centro. Never.[/QUOTE]Such girls sell their pussy in El Centro every day.
Sure, when she's famous, has had all the surgeries and is getting steady work, she's not in El Centro. But what happens when she is no longer making money that way? What happens when the money dries up?
You'll see them in the red light districts. For some, a botched plastic surgery, for others too much partying, or just age catching up to them, and they return to the streets.
And where did she start? Around the world, many of the porn stars you see were literally picked up from the street. Clean them up, fix hair and make-up and the fantasy is created. Then use them up, and when they start to fade, or when you pick up a new one from the street, you dump her back on the streets.
You can find them on Facebook, former models, porn stars, webcam girls. There's 1 in particular I'm thinking of right now. She was just a typical working girl 6 years ago, popular on Facebook. Someone paid for surgery, collagen and her price went up. Suddenly, she was going on big trips, nicer clothes, rolling in a different circle.
But, as a friend was fond of saying, "the rose fades fast in Medellin. " She's back amongst the Facebook crowd, struggling to find dates. I've watched the same thing happen with several girls. Some rise up, but most fall back down.
There's no pension plan, no golden parachute. In just a few years, most of them end up broke and struggling.
Fortunately, none of that matters to most guys. The girls you want are out there. Go and enjoy them and don't worry about anything other than whether or not you use a condom.
[QUOTE=Kyser;2847811]Just to confirm, does this mean its a bad idea to exchange USD cash for Colombian Pesos at the MDE airport through the exchange tellers when you first arrive? Its recommended to just go to an ATM and withdraw a few times instead?[/QUOTE]It's a horrible idea to exchange dollars at the Medellin airport. The exchange rate sucks. ATM is best. Shopping the exchange houses in Medellin isn't as good, but better than the airport.
I think fantasy will always be part of the game. It improves experiences as long as we don't get caught up in it to the point we lose sight of what is or is not real. When that happens it makes life unnecessarily difficult, expensive, and sometimes even dangerous. Fantasy things I think are sometimes hard to keep in their proper perspective are: the college girl, the "semi-pro," and girlfriend / girlfriend experience.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2847538]That explains the disagreement. In your world all the hookers have MBA's and live in a magical land that's nothing like Colombia, or any other country I've ever heard of.
Maybe, and it's a stretch, 1 out of every 1,000 Colombian hookers get themselves into a stable financial situation and many of those do it by finding other girls to pimp out. You would have us believe that the reason guys have trouble finding hookers is because they are all out of cell range on their yachts in the Mediterranean.
Sure some girls get sugar daddies. Some, particularly webcam models, get several. But the vast majority are living the typical feast or famine life. If they get a good payday, they will party until they're broke, then scramble to get enough to feed their kids, until the next sucker comes along to fund the next binge.
Prostitution is almost never a consciously chosen career path. It's the result of bad decisions and minimal options. That doesn't magically transform into economic savvy, marketing genius and time management mastery.
Fortunately, that means anyone with a bit of cash will always have options.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847784]You never worked while in college? Me personally, I don't come from a wealthy family but when I was their age, my parents covered my basic needs. Food, rent (room, not the whole apartment), tuition. For everything else, like, clothing, new computer, spare money to hang out with friends, etc I had to work summer jobs and gigs. Same shit with these girls. Every time you reply to my posts, you go from one extreme to the other, argue for the sake of arguing.[/QUOTE]I never fucked guys or sucked their dicks for extra money in college. From your argument, I assume you did? There's a difference between working part-time to help fund an education, and sucking dicks. If a girl immediately rolls to "I'll just fuck a stranger to pay for this", it's highly unlikely she has the "work to build a future" mindset. University takes time, money and commitment and it takes years to see any reward for the effort. Prostitution is instant gratification. Fuck. Get paid. Doesn't take long for most girls to put university on hold.
Certainly, a few do it, but for most it doesn't work out. I learned that from a whole bunch of strippers. Stripping to pay for college. Except the 2 lifestyles are incompatible. Most drop out, Many plan to work for a few years then go back to school, but seldom do. Late nights, parties, always someone offering drugs and drinks. And the money.
[QUOTE]As to the pool of girls enrolled in university, MDE is 2. 56 million people city, and I'm sure there are THOUSANDS if not tens of thousands college girl. And yes, some of them are willing to sell pussy, either to be able to afford tuition, or earn some spare cash. You call them prostitutes, simply because they "exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value", and that's fine, maybe they are, but definitely not the same prostitutes selling pussy on the street just to get high after.[/QUOTE]From the OECD:
[QUOTE]
Attainment
The level of below upper secondary attainment among 25-34 year-olds is one of the highest among OECD and partner countries with available data. (24.5 %, rank 10/42 , 2021)
The level of below upper secondary attainment among 25-64 year-olds is one of the highest among OECD and partner countries with available data. (39.8 %, rank 10/43 , 2021)
The level of tertiary attainment among 25-34 year-olds is one of the lowest among OECD and partner countries with available data. (30.5 %, rank 35/43 , 2021)
The level of below upper secondary attainment among 55-64 year-olds is one of the highest among OECD and partner countries with available data. (60.8 %, rank 8/42 , 2021)[/QUOTE]Colombia ranks among the lowest in the world for education achievement, in all categories. Sure there are thousands of women in college. Figure 5 million people in the Medellin metro area, at a guess 150,000 enrolled in university. Call it 80,000 women. Perfect!
Except for 1 tiny problem. Most of those women don't need extra money for college. They don't need it because the majority of students are from families who can afford to support them. Spend some time on the campus of any Medellin university. EAFIT is a good example, or any of the others. You'll notice the difference. Or not.
As I've said, a few do it, most don't.
[QUOTE]Do you support your "gf" financially? Do you buy her gifts? Do you pay for her travel expenses and shit? If so, by your definition, she might as well be a prostitute.[/QUOTE]I don't pay for her shit. It goes in the toilet, gets flushed. If that's your thing, I can ask her to bag it up and sell it to you. How much do you usually pay?
She might as well be a prostitute. Any woman who fucks and is not 100% self supporting could be considered a prostitute, if those the limits of your definition. Now call up your mom and explain it to her.
I'm surprised you don't understand this. You went to college. Surely you saw all the guys and girls who couldn't cut it. They partied themselves out, and ended up getting kicked, or dropping out.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2847906]Unless your bank charges very high fees, it's almost always better to use an ATM. If you have to exchange at the arrival area of the airport, only exchange what you plan to need until you can get to an exchange in town or to an ATM because the rates at the airport are not good. You can search for "money exchanges" in Medellin and see on their websites what they are paying. Every one will be different. Then look at [URL]xe.com[/URL] and see the real exchange rate. Make your decisions from that information. The one unknown is the fee charged by the ATM bank, which you will not know until you go to the ATM.[/QUOTE]To clarify on the airport ATM. If you DECLINE their offered conversion (always do this), you will get your banks own preferred conversion. BUT this specific ATM charges an additional withdrawal fee (I forget exactly, something between 25-30 k or so) for each withdrawal. Not a lot (7 USD), but you won't get that fee at an in-town major ATM. Hence the advice to just withdraw the $100-120 k you need for the cab ride into town and withdraw the rest at an in-town bank ATM.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2847929]I've been here for the past 6 weeks. Girl quantity and quality by the pool has varied each day. Seems to come and go. But most guys have enough regulars coming in from the outside. The bar has been the same way. Although I have met more new girls this trip including several who were at the bar for the first time with a friend who brought them to check it out. Going rate is 250-300 K plus tip or extras if you desire. However, one of my girls who a week ago went to the bar for the first time became a regular for me and we would just meet in the bar each night. She told me the other night that when she arrived to sign in, the "administration" told her to charge no less than 300 K and deny no condom requests or they will not be allowed back in. I've always known there is a bit of a "chicka union" in there but really each girl makes her own price. I paid 250 plus tips for two weeks and even had a couple who did anal and swallow. But I've also had girls who asked for 600 K. Needless to say they didn't go home with anyone. The girls in the bar talk a lot and share information. When I met a new black girl for the first time, I hadn't even finished a sentence and she told me that the girls told her "he likes the darker women" LOL.
For those who love a girl who can take it in the ass, I've had no problem this trip. Sometimes it is just heat of the moment. Not something planned. Here's an ass from one that you just know has been fucked a few times. This girl was a blast, squirted twice and swallowed like a good little ****.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Similar to what we experienced there in early-mid August. The girls told me that the 'word' has been passed around on telling new girls about the minimum and condoms. But you build our own rapport with girls so those are just guidelines.
Fun times in Medellin. My brother and I met up with Linda and Daniella to come over to our apartment in Laureles. Linda showed up looking in her usual knock out way an hour earlier so we had a few drinks and enjoyed a little smoke and some drinks. After a hour Daniella showed up looking super-hot too, she is really a tall one coming in at 6 foot 2 inches so yeah you will get some looks walking around with that one.
We head out to Taqueria Cuernavaca in Laureles and when we got there was a huge line and waiting list so Linda suggested La Pampa Argentinian Steakhouse. We got over there and was able to get a good table. So, we are having some conversation and Linda starts smoking some pot right there at the table. So, I turn to her and tell her that she probably shouldn't be doing that and she say "no se precupes, Daniella estas fumando su cigarro electronica". I'm like thinking we were going to get kicked out of the place but everything went well.
After dinner we head back to our AirBnB we pour some Cuba Libre's and we show the girls the Hot Tub out on our back patio. We started to coach the girls to get naked and jump in and they say you guys get in first. About 2 seconds later my brother and I were in the Hot Tub and were like on chicas, you have way too many clothes on. With a little more coaching the clothes started to drop off and before we knew it, they were in the tub with us. We had some drinks, talked, and played around a little and of course it was a great photo opportunity. I figure when we are 90, in our wheel chairs these pictures will bring back great memories.
After the Hot Tub Linda, lights one up and we partake for a little bit and then off to the bedroom and jump in bed. First, she starts massaging me a little bit and then starts kissing her way down and begins a great BBBJ. She is quite talented in this procedure and was driving me nuts as always. I had a real ripper going at this point and then she starts mounting me in reverse cow girl. Watching that ass and pussy riding up and down was giving me that life is good feeling LOL. Then she tells me that she really wants it doggie style, what can I guy do but comply at this point. So, there I am banging that fine ass watching those big titties swaying. I'm doing this for a while and since I had quite a few drinks it was difficult to climax. So, I pull out and lay down and had Linda finish me off with a great oral natural. Damages 4 hours $300,000 plus $50,000 tip.
One of many great nights in Medellin.
Next Report Parque Lleras.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2847909]That varies by bank. I use Davivienda ATM's. The max withdrawal at one time is 2 million pesos. You can make multiple withdrawals in one day. I don't know their daily limit because I have $1000 daily limit with my Schwab card, and I can withdraw that amount. With BBVA bank, I think the max per transaction is 400 mil. I don't know if you can do multiple withdrawals in one day. At Scotiabank Colpatria, the max per transaction is 900 mil, and you can withdraw either three or four times daily. I don't know any of the limits at Bancolombia because I stopped using them years ago when they started charging a fee before hardly any other bank. Now almost all banks charge an ATM fee. I think Davivienda and BBVA do not charge fees.
Before anyone chimes in, I know Schwab, and some others, will reimburse the ATM fees if they are stated on the transaction, but I don't like to reward some banks when others don't charge a fee.
I hope this will end this discussion on this thread because it should be discussed in the "General Information" thread.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. As to what section. Its Medellin I am asking about so its in here.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2847744]I don't know about seeking, never used it. But if I can give an example, google the Colombia porn actress "Daniela Antury". I'm sure not everybody's cup of tea, I know a lot of guys look for natural, but in my book girls like this are 9's at least. I'm sure that if she'd worked at Gustos she'd be selling her pussy every night for at least $300, without problems. If she'd be smart she'd go to Dubai and work for at least $1000-$1500 a night and still be really busy.
Like MiamiBoy1 pointed out, such girl would never sell her pussy for 60 k in el centro. Never.[/QUOTE]Ok I get it yes she's a 9 for me 8. 5. And she probably is worth 300 us at gustos. My problem is that any ugly girl that's wearing a dress can get in at gustos and she's expecting minimum 150 usd. That's crazy to me. I wouldn't pay more than 100 usd for most of the girls at gustos. Not to mention that if a girl isn't objectively ugly sex with a condom feels all the same independent of the girl.
Just like the girls have a 150 usd minimum union we need to also not pay for that. You guys can do what you want with your money but I think 150 usd is insane.
Who is going to gustos and paying that? LOL.
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2847957]To clarify on the airport ATM. If you DECLINE their offered conversion (always do this), you will get your banks own preferred conversion. BUT this specific ATM charges an additional withdrawal fee (I forget exactly, something between 25-30 k or so) for each withdrawal. Not a lot (7 USD), but you won't get that fee at an in-town major ATM. Hence the advice to just withdraw the $100-120 k you need for the cab ride into town and withdraw the rest at an in-town bank ATM.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to mention Schwab has a debit card deal where they will refund all of your ATM fees. I use this card exclusively for travel and transfer funds into it only when I need it to withdrawal cash.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2847996]Ok I get it yes she's a 9 for me 8. 5. And she probably is worth 300 us at gustos. My problem is that any ugly girl that's wearing a dress can get in at gustos and she's expecting minimum 150 usd. That's crazy to me. I wouldn't pay more than 100 usd for most of the girls at gustos. Not to mention that if a girl isn't objectively ugly sex with a condom feels all the same independent of the girl.
Just like the girls have a 150 usd minimum union we need to also not pay for that. You guys can do what you want with your money but I think 150 usd is insane.
Who is going to gustos and paying that? LOL.[/QUOTE]Those that do aren't going to tell you here. If all that over pay stick to Gustos loutron and lleras, I'd be happy and never educate another fool. When I first started out I explored all venues that I am aware of. Centro at daytime, Centro casas, Laureles casas, La Isla and Fase dos, Loutron, Gustos, Seeking and FB. Even went to the mansion once. Only venue I haven't is tinder and bumble for obvious reasons. I took taximan referrals and and from other mongers. And then drew my own conclusions as to what suit my style. I would say after my first year I picked my favorite and stayed with it. So you just have to know your formula and what works for you and your style. If your style is to come to a poor 3rd works country make it rain and be a baller for a weekend and leave. Go have at it. Face the consequences if they come your way. When people say it's doable to get 8's at 200 mil why taxi it's because they have done their due diligence to get to that and built a roster and that's what they pay. Maybe you're lazy, not resourceful, maybe you can't believe them, maybe you have weird fetishes, and on and on, but if you follow this thread there's an enormous amount of info on here thant repeated and revisited. It's more than adequate to find your way. None of this crap discussion affects what many here do. I'll say that prices have gone up mayb be 50 mil over the past year whether that's from local factors or gringoflation IDK but either way it's not a factor, everything stateside is up even more and that is just life.
[QUOTE=Mongo1;2847968]we show the girls the Hot Tub out on our back patio. We started to coach the girls to get naked and jump in and they say you guys get in first. About 2 seconds later my brother and I were in the Hot Tub and were like on chicas, you have way too many clothes on.[/QUOTE]Please do not do that shit again. That was the perfect scenario for those chicks to lock you outside and be gone with your shit. Always make hookers get undressed first. Besides that I am not about to get into a hot tub with a dude!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2847826]I said no makeup. She refused to come [/QUOTE]For some chicks it's like telling them to come barefoot.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2847826]That packaging means so much to some people that they are willing to pay more for that than the item itself.[/QUOTE]What's underneath has to meet the standard obviously but I do quite enjoy unwrapping a nice packaging. It's like a devouring a fancy dessert. One chica puts the glitter on her big tits for our meets, unprompted, guess she likes to have shiny tits LOL. Nice clothes and shoes, manicure, pedicure, shiny long hair, what's not to like. Yes you put a dinner in blender and drink it up, same end result, but it nicer to have it on plate, have it looking nice and eat it bit by bit.
Anyway, Colombian chicks generally seem to spend a lot of energy on the packaging, even when poor she'll get pampered for a date (not that I'm complaining). Vennies, are a bit more relaxed in that department, it would seem to me, or just have a different style. It's sometimes funny to see a gringo with a Colombiana all made up as if for a fashion photo-shoot and him looking like a bum.
It's also interesting to see the chicks pampered up for Sunday daytime strolls with families and bfs, a lot of sexy look-alike's in white sneakers.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2847929]I've been here for the past 6 weeks. Girl quantity and quality by the pool has varied each day. Seems to come and go. But most guys have enough regulars coming in from the outside. The bar has been the same way. Although I have met more new girls this trip including several who were at the bar for the first time with a friend who brought them to check it out. Going rate is 250-300 K plus tip or extras if you desire. However, one of my girls who a week ago went to the bar for the first time became a regular for me and we would just meet in the bar each night. She told me the other night that when she arrived to sign in, the "administration" told her to charge no less than 300 K and deny no condom requests or they will not be allowed back in. I've always known there is a bit of a "chicka union" in there but really each girl makes her own price. I paid 250 plus tips for two weeks and even had a couple who did anal and swallow. But I've also had girls who asked for 600 K. Needless to say they didn't go home with anyone. The girls in the bar talk a lot and share information. When I met a new black girl for the first time, I hadn't even finished a sentence and she told me that the girls told her "he likes the darker women" LOL.
For those who love a girl who can take it in the ass, I've had no problem this trip. Sometimes it is just heat of the moment. Not something planned. Here's an ass from one that you just know has been fucked a few times. This girl was a blast, squirted twice and swallowed like a good little ****.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I haven't been to the Mansion in over a year, though I'm planning on visiting this fall or winter. I had heard that some of the changes hadn't gone over well, so I'm glad I gave it time to shake out.
Who is the chica? I might give her a call when I'm down there, especially if she does anal.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2847996]Ok I get it yes she's a 9 for me 8. 5. And she probably is worth 300 us at gustos. My problem is that any ugly girl that's wearing a dress can get in at gustos and she's expecting minimum 150 usd. That's crazy to me. I wouldn't pay more than 100 usd for most of the girls at gustos. Not to mention that if a girl isn't objectively ugly sex with a condom feels all the same independent of the girl.
Just like the girls have a 150 usd minimum union we need to also not pay for that. You guys can do what you want with your money but I think 150 usd is insane.
Who is going to gustos and paying that? LOL.[/QUOTE]Some casa chicas look better than some Gusto chicas and at a fraction of the cost.
I have been with and have known these girls for a long time and would feel safe leaving my wallet out around them. You do have a point though, it would not be a good idea to do this with a pair of girl friends that you picked up in Parque Lleras or Centro the same day.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2848002]Please do not do that shit again. That was the perfect scenario for those chicks to lock you outside and be gone with your shit. Always make hookers get undressed first. Besides that I am not about to get into a hot tub with a dude![/QUOTE]
A nice regular. Stopped by had fun and then gave me a tour of Comuna 13. 😏.
I just tried to send you a private message WT69 but it said you have chosen not to receive private messages so I'll just copy and paste here what I wanted to ask you:
WorldTraveler69,
Bro would you happen to have any maps for Pasto, Narino? I'm currently in Bogota and seriously considering hopping on a bus to pasto to go check it out like how I have done with Armenia and Villavicencio in the past.
Any map or just telling me what streets and areas to look for street girls would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Gabacho.
P.S: thanks for all your hard work bro, your maps helped me a lot back in the day when I first came to Santa Fe and more recently in places like Cucuta and Armenia.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2847784]You never worked while in college? Me personally, I don't come from a wealthy family but when I was their age, my parents covered my basic needs. Food, rent (room, not the whole apartment), tuition. For everything else, like, clothing, new computer, spare money to hang out with friends, etc I had to work summer jobs and gigs. Same shit with these girls. Every time you reply to my posts, you go from one extreme to the other, argue for the sake of arguing.
As to the pool of girls enrolled in university, MDE is 2. 56 million people city, and I'm sure there are THOUSANDS if not tens of thousands college girl. And yes, some of them are willing to sell pussy, either to be able to afford tuition, or earn some spare cash. You call them prostitutes, simply because they "exchange sex for cash or other things of monetary value", and that's fine, maybe they are, but definitely not the same prostitutes selling pussy on the street just to get high after.
Do you support your "gf" financially? Do you buy her gifts? Do you pay for her travel expenses and shit? If so, by your definition, she might as well be a prostitute.[/QUOTE]The definition of prostitution is exchanging sex for money. That is what will get you arrested in the states in a sting. If you don't mention sex for money they can't charge you with anything. Comparing different quality of prostitutes is another discussion. Go up to an undercover cop in Utah and say how much for nude modeling. You won't get arrested.
Nice! I'd definitely bang that ass. My type also.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2848183]A nice regular. Stopped by had fun and then gave me a tour of Comuna 13. 😏.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2847957]To clarify on the airport ATM. If you DECLINE their offered conversion (always do this), you will get your banks own preferred conversion. BUT this specific ATM charges an additional withdrawal fee (I forget exactly, something between 25-30 k or so) for each withdrawal. Not a lot (7 USD), but you won't get that fee at an in-town major ATM. Hence the advice to just withdraw the $100-120 k you need for the cab ride into town and withdraw the rest at an in-town bank ATM.[/QUOTE]If you are getting the good conversion rate then why not withdraw the max, then you are set for awhile. According to your info, it is a set fee, not a percentage, so why not get the max if you badly need the cop?
[QUOTE=Mongo1;2847968]Fun times in Medellin. My brother and I met up with Linda and Daniella to come over to our apartment in Laureles. Linda showed up looking in her usual knock out way an hour earlier so we had a few drinks and enjoyed a little smoke and some drinks. After a hour Daniella showed up looking super-hot too, she is really a tall one coming in at 6 foot 2 inches so yeah you will get some looks walking around with that one.[/QUOTE]Ahh yes, Daniella is a favorite of mine. If you are fluent in Spanish she is fascinating to talk to, very enjoyable company. Her model-like height makes her a great date if you want to turn heads. We've even hung out without play or pay and she's just fun. She's also a frequent visitor to the mansion during daytime.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2847933]I think fantasy will always be part of the game. It improves experiences as long as we don't get caught up in it to the point we lose sight of what is or is not real. When that happens it makes life unnecessarily difficult, expensive, and sometimes even dangerous. Fantasy things I think are sometimes hard to keep in their proper perspective are: the college girl, the "semi-pro," and girlfriend / girlfriend experience.[/QUOTE]Exactly!
I saw this constantly in the webcam world. In the room of a model who routinely has 700-1000 viewers, there were always 5 or 6 convinced the model loved them, and only them. Years earlier I saw it in the strip clubs.
The fantasy works both ways. A gringo with money plays into a lot of paisa fantasies.
[QUOTE=Shemp;2848369]If you are getting the good conversion rate then why not withdraw the max, then you are set for awhile. According to your info, it is a set fee, not a percentage, so why not get the max if you badly need the cop?[/QUOTE]When I travel I use my Charles Schwab debit card. Reason 1: it refunds me for additional POS fees. I do not know how they can do it without losing money, but they do it. Reason 2: I do not want to have my main account debit card with me, in case of issue they can potentially take a lot of my money. On Charles Schwab, instead, I keep at max 2-3 thousands USD. I keep the other Credit and Debit card in the hotel safe, or hidden somewhere, but not with me unless I need.
Whenever I can I use Davivienda Cajeros. I never had any issue with them.
Confirmed: Always refuse the proposed exchange rate. In Colombia most bank will continue with the transaction with no issue, and Davivienda is one of them. This is not true in other countries, for instance all the 7/11 ATM in Thailand (at least the 10 I tested) refuse the transaction if you do not accept their conversion. Charles Schwab sends me a text with the USD amount in real time, and the exchange rate is always very close to the google online exchange value. The difference is negligible.
Finally, I also uninstall my home banking apps from my phone except for the Charles Schawab one. Why? Well, 2 reasons: (1) If a criminal take me in his custody, he could force me to login my smartphone. If your phone has face recognition, this is extremely easy and you might be even unaware of it (a little bit of benzodiazepine from a girl and you sleep deeply while she scans your face). In these situations, it is better the criminal doesn't know how much money you have and where you keep it. (2) If they have you in custody, and have access to your smartphone, then they have access to the Multi Factor Authentication (txt messages or authentication apps) as well. In this case, they can auto approve all the transaction they want, not just the ATM ones, and you are badly screwed up. If there is a lot of money in your bank, they also have a good justification to make sure you do not try to revoke any transaction once you are free, and this is bad.
I don't think Colombia is so dangerous, but often we are exposed to additional risks and better to adopt passive countermeasure. If they take me, they only see my Charls Schwab account with 3 k USD.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2848563]When I travel I use my Charles Schwab debit card. Reason 1: it refunds me for additional POS fees. I do not know how they can do it without losing money, but they do it. Reason 2: I do not want to have my main account debit card with me, in case of issue they can potentially take a lot of my money. On Charles Schwab, instead, I keep at max 2-3 thousands USD. I keep the other Credit and Debit card in the hotel safe, or hidden somewhere, but not with me unless I need.
Whenever I can I use Davivienda Cajeros. I never had any issue with them.
Confirmed: Always refuse the proposed exchange rate. In Colombia most bank will continue with the transaction with no issue, and Davivienda is one of them. This is not true in other countries, for instance all the 7/11 ATM in Thailand (at least the 10 I tested) refuse the transaction if you do not accept their conversion. Charles Schwab sends me a text with the USD amount in real time, and the exchange rate is always very close to the google online exchange value. The difference is negligible.
Finally, I also uninstall my home banking apps from my phone except for the Charles Schawab one. Why? Well, 2 reasons: (1) If a criminal take me in his custody, he could force me to login my smartphone. If your phone has face recognition, this is extremely easy and you might be even unaware of it (a little bit of benzodiazepine from a girl and you sleep deeply while she scans your face)..[/QUOTE]3 k is a lot to allow criminals to take. 1000 max. The rest in another checking account that isn't on your phone. You can do a transfer between banks if you need to replenish Schwab or you get robbed.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2848563]If they take me, they only see my Charls Schwab account with 3 k USD.[/QUOTE]Do you mean if they force you to give up your PIN, and they see that you have 3 K in there? IMO that would be bad. If your normal limit is 1 K per day, then they might hold you captive until 3 days, until they drain the account.
A better way would be to put 2 K in your brokerage account (or 1k and raise your ATM limit to 2K per day). You were required to open a brokerage account to get the Schwab card. Then you can transfer money into the Schwab bank when necessary. MAKE sure you turn off the overdraft transfer from your brokerage account. Another problem is that you can't transfer money on the weekends.
Wait. I guess that wouldn't work in your description because they have access to the Schwab account. It would list the brokerage account. I take mine off in my second phone. There exchange rates are always good. Just check it in your hotel room.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2848582]Do you mean if they force you to give up your PIN, and they see that you have 3 K in there? IMO that would be bad. If your normal limit is 1 K per day, then they might hold you captive until 3 days, until they drain the account.[/QUOTE]I am amazed at what some guys worry about. Traveling all over the world and hanging out in some really shady places, I have never been worried about somebody taking me and seeing what is in my bank account. Really be funny if that brother goes no further than Poblado. He acts like he is going on an ultra high risk secret spy mission and needs 8 contingency plans.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2848661]I am amazed at what some guys worry about. Traveling all over the world and hanging out in some really shady places, I have never been worried about somebody taking me and seeing what is in my bank account. Really be funny if that brother goes no further than Poblado. He acts like he is going on an ultra high risk secret spy mission and needs 8 contingency plans.[/QUOTE]Leticia? Fucking nice bro. That's been on my radar for some time too. Are you going to take the river boat to Puerto Nariño?
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2847929]I've been here for the past 6 weeks. Girl quantity and quality by the pool has varied each day. Seems to come and go. But most guys have enough regulars coming in from the outside. The bar has been the same way. Although I have met more new girls this trip including several who were at the bar for the first time with a friend who brought them to check it out. Going rate is 250-300 K plus tip or extras if you desire. However, one of my girls who a week ago went to the bar for the first time became a regular for me and we would just meet in the bar each night. She told me the other night that when she arrived to sign in, the "administration" told her to charge no less than 300 K and deny no condom requests or they will not be allowed back in. I've always known there is a bit of a "chicka union" in there but really each girl makes her own price. I paid 250 plus tips for two weeks and even had a couple who did anal and swallow. But I've also had girls who asked for 600 K. Needless to say they didn't go home with anyone. The girls in the bar talk a lot and share information. When I met a new black girl for the first time, I hadn't even finished a sentence and she told me that the girls told her "he likes the darker women" LOL.
For those who love a girl who can take it in the ass, I've had no problem this trip. Sometimes it is just heat of the moment. Not something planned. Here's an ass from one that you just know has been fucked a few times. This girl was a blast, squirted twice and swallowed like a good little ****.[/QUOTE]If it is true that chicas are banding together to pressure other chicas not to accept lower than 300 k AND chicas are agreeing to that then what is the point of the Mansion other than to collect contacts so that you can call her in to your apartment at YOUR rate some other day or night?
I don't understand.
Planning to visit Medellin in Sept 2nd week. I went to Medellin few times so far and it was always a great experience. I stayed in Laureles, San Peters Apartments all of the times and I know the area pretty well. But this time I am planning to stay in El Poblado, can anyone please suggest any girl friendly hotels in that area or Airbnbs that you are aware of, looking for one with a Jacuzzi. If any of you have any questions, feel free to message me and I will be happy to help with all the information. I visited a lot of casas in El Centro (New Life, Zandalay etc. , I also used prepago websites and I know lot of bars in Laureles to pickup girls etc. , Last time (May 2023) I felt that quality came down a lot in the Casas, I guess because of the inflation. But Prepago girls were still a great option for 150 mil pesos mostly. Most of the girls in the Poblado are about 300 mil and La Isla and fase dos were the same as well.
I know a guy who's a "presentador", he basically has access to all of your favorite IG colombian models (we're talking 100 k-1 M followers type of girls) and yes, most of them have a price. Usually lowest price is 1-2 M pesos for a few hours. Hell I've already paid 3 M for a famous IG model and let me tell you it was the best experience of my life. This presentador has offered me chicas up to 10 M pesos, no way would I ever pay that but some businessmen do.
Coming back to the point I wanted to make. A few pages back a few of why'all were talking about "600 k" chicas, (I'm assuming we're not just talking about Seeking girls), where does one find this type of chica? I'm in that inbetween place where I'm willing to spend 600 k for some high quality, not looking for 50 k chicas, and no more paying 3 M for a model because that's not sustainable either. Where do I find the 600 k girls?
[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2848835]I know a guy who's a "presentador", he basically has access to all of your favorite IG colombian models (we're talking 100 k-1 M followers type of girls) and yes, most of them have a price. Usually lowest price is 1-2 M pesos for a few hours. Hell I've already paid 3 M for a famous IG model and let me tell you it was the best experience of my life. This presentador has offered me chicas up to 10 M pesos, no way would I ever pay that but some businessmen do.
Coming back to the point I wanted to make. A few pages back a few of why'all were talking about "600 k" chicas, (I'm assuming we're not just talking about Seeking girls), where does one find this type of chica? I'm in that inbetween place where I'm willing to spend 600 k for some high quality, not looking for 50 k chicas, and no more paying 3 M for a model because that's not sustainable either. Where do I find the 600 k girls?[/QUOTE]There is no specific place devoted to 600 k girls. Maybe La Isla with their 550 k flat rate + 50 k entrance fee. Seeking, FB, Tinder, etc got all kinds of girls, from ugly to hot, and the rates vary a lot. You can use any platform to search for high quality girls, but it takes time and there is no guarantee they will settle for 600 k. You can also try Instagram, but focus on the chicas that don't have tens of thousands followers, or chicas that look hot but do not model. Just lower your expectations and adjust down what you can offer.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2848578]3 k is a lot to allow criminals to take. 1000 max. The rest in another checking account that isn't on your phone. You can do a transfer between banks if you need to replenish Schwab or you get robbed.[/QUOTE]I agree that $3 k is a lot to take, but note that the FDIC insures this iup to $250 k per account. As someone who was scolped last November (by a 'non pro on 3rd date') no less, and had $25 k taken from me between credit cards and bank accounts, Charles Schwab and Chase were iron clad and stand up. Citibank not so much. I was eventually made completely whole, but some banks I found better than others.
BTW. I take no pride in sharing this. I'm just making it know that it does happen, even to those of us who have been in the hobby for 10+ years and take normal precautions (ie locking things up). Shit happens. Keep your guard up gentlemen!
[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2848835]I know a guy who's a "presentador", he basically has access to all of your favorite IG colombian models (we're talking 100 k-1 M followers type of girls) and yes, most of them have a price. Usually lowest price is 1-2 M pesos for a few hours. Hell I've already paid 3 M for a famous IG model and let me tell you it was the best experience of my life. This presentador has offered me chicas up to 10 M pesos, no way would I ever pay that but some businessmen do.
[/QUOTE]How does one go finding such a presentador? Any pointers would be great help.
[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2848864]How does one go finding such a presentador? Any pointers would be great help.[/QUOTE]I have to see it to believe it. I talked to a guy one time at lleras that had a bunch of girls on his phone. One of the girls I knew personally. These girls weren't advertising or in the streets in the clubs or in spas. These were "semi pros" I guess all on instagram the followings weren't that big.
I feel like people charging that much is a scam. Like I've never seen a nine irl. And even if I have a nine with s condom feels the same a 5 with a condom.
It couldn't possibly be true that if you pay that much you will get a better experience equivalent to how much more you paid.
I would only pay that much if I knew the girl was only doing me and were in like a sd / sb situation. Like 10 mil a month.
Anyone can hook a brother up with a photo of their US passport entry stamp for Colombia within the last 90 days? Not asking for sensitive information just a photo of the entry stamp to save me 20% tax on my accommodations. ID be really grateful.
She is quite the woman and has it all personality, intelligence, classy, flirty and great in bed. She told me that she went to school to be a librarian so I asked her to wear her glasses next time and she complied. My brother and I are in Cartagena right now but when we get back to Medellin, Daniella will be at the top of the list.
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2848427]Ahh yes, Daniella is a favorite of mine. If you are fluent in Spanish she is fascinating to talk to, very enjoyable company. Her model-like height makes her a great date if you want to turn heads. We've even hung out without play or pay and she's just fun. She's also a frequent visitor to the mansion during daytime.[/QUOTE]
Wow, Linda is a knockout! Lucky you. Where would I go about finding her? Does she also hang around mansion during the daytime?
[QUOTE=Mongo1;2847968]Fun times in Medellin. My brother and I met up with Linda and Daniella to come over to our apartment in Laureles. Linda showed up looking in her usual knock out way an hour earlier so we had a few drinks and enjoyed a little smoke and some drinks. After a hour Daniella showed up looking super-hot too, she is really a tall one coming in at 6 foot 2 inches so yeah you will get some looks walking around with that one.
We head out to Taqueria Cuernavaca in Laureles and when we got there was a huge line and waiting list so Linda suggested La Pampa Argentinian Steakhouse. We got over there and was able to get a good table. So, we are having some conversation and Linda starts smoking some pot right there at the table. So, I turn to her and tell her that she probably shouldn't be doing that and she say "no se precupes, Daniella estas fumando su cigarro electronica". I'm like thinking we were going to get kicked out of the place but everything went well.
After dinner we head back to our AirBnB we pour some Cuba Libre's and we show the girls the Hot Tub out on our back patio. We started to coach the girls to get naked and jump in and they say you guys get in first. About 2 seconds later my brother and I were in the Hot Tub and were like on chicas, you have way too many clothes on. With a little more coaching the clothes started to drop off and before we knew it, they were in the tub with us. We had some drinks, talked, and played around a little and of course it was a great photo opportunity. I figure when we are 90, in our wheel chairs these pictures will bring back great memories..[/QUOTE]
No one has mentioned the weather in MDE. *.
I have been coming here since 2010 and it has never been this hot. I normally hate air conditioner's but now it is a must here now.
Anyway while taking my normal walk in Centro I was given a card for*.
Barcelona Casa CR 47 53-42. It was early in the day and I had not taken a shower yet. I would never take a girl in that state but I thought I could just go to check out the talent and pay the viewing fee and return later if someone strikes my fancy. The sign said 5 K fee if you did not partake in the festivities. I bought a water for 3 K and watched about 10 girls parade for me. 4 were very doable { *a 7 is my standard }. Before I* left I found out the fee for one hour is 70 K. I was very surprised as the lowest I have seen is 80 k and most others are 90 K for the hour. I did not ask about 30 minutes as I'm a hour guy. I guess buying a drink is good as was not asked for the 5 K fee as I went my way.
Please boys stop begging to pay 600 K. You guys are starting to blow my mind.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2849033]I did not ask about 30 minutes as I'm a hour guy. [/QUOTE]30 min is 50 mil there. Good to hear they improved the lineup.
[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2806725]Carrera 47 #53-42....[/QUOTE]
Barcelona is the name used for many years by the place in Pardo that specialized in somewhat older ladies. The address on the card you got is I believe recently known as Zaza. When it comes to Centro casas, street addresses have meaning and names don't. If I'm not mistaken what's now known as Barcelona is the place across the street from the theater that famously has or had an orange colored bead curtain at its entrance. Is that the place?
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2849033]No one has mentioned the weather in MDE. *.
I have been coming here since 2010 and it has never been this hot. I normally hate air conditioner's but now it is a must here now.
Anyway while taking my normal walk in Centro I was given a card for*.
Barcelona Casa CR 47 53-42. It was early in the day and I had not taken a shower yet. I would never take a girl in that state but I thought I could just go to check out the talent and pay the viewing fee and return later if someone strikes my fancy. The sign said 5 K fee if you did not partake in the festivities. I bought a water for 3 K and watched about 10 girls parade for me. 4 were very doable { *a 7 is my standard }. Before I* left I found out the fee for one hour is 70 K. I was very surprised as the lowest I have seen is 80 k and most others are 90 K for the hour. I did not ask about 30 minutes as I'm a hour guy. I guess buying a drink is good as was not asked for the 5 K fee as I went my way..[/QUOTE]
Summertime weather is hotter worldwide. I don't agree air conditioning is necessary. If you are on a lower floor or you don't have much shade you will be more comfortable with air conditioning during the mid afternoon.
On the subject of high six figure prepagos I firmly believe there isn't much rhyme or reason to it, especially once you get away from the high and low extremes of provider quality. What I find entertaining is some of the wacky justifications guys come up with for what we pay. Sometimes it goes to dark places when personal attacks and insults get tossed around. Mention of girls who work both Parque Lleras and Plaza Botero seems to be a trigger. I think it helps ward off the negative aspects of aging if we try to keep an open mind about other perspectives. Even though I am an affirmed Centro rat I dip my toe into the high end waters on a regular basis to make sure I'm not missing out on anything and to maintain a fresh frame of reference. I feel like it's my version of casino gambling. The odds are against a big breakthrough score but it's fun to play the bets.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2849033]No one has mentioned the weather in MDE. *.
I have been coming here since 2010 and it has never been this hot. I normally hate air conditioner's but now it is a must here now.
Anyway while taking my normal walk in Centro I was given a card for*.
Barcelona Casa CR 47 53-42. It was early in the day and I had not taken a shower yet. I would never take a girl in that state but I thought I could just go to check out the talent and pay the viewing fee and return later if someone strikes my fancy. The sign said 5 K fee if you did not partake in the festivities. I bought a water for 3 K and watched about 10 girls parade for me. 4 were very doable { *a 7 is my standard }. Before I* left I found out the fee for one hour is 70 K. I was very surprised as the lowest I have seen is 80 k and most others are 90 K for the hour. I did not ask about 30 minutes as I'm a hour guy. I guess buying a drink is good as was not asked for the 5 K fee as I went my way.
Please boys stop begging to pay 600 K. You guys are starting to blow my mind.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2848563]When I travel I use my Charles Schwab debit card. Reason 1: it refunds me for additional POS fees. I do not know how they can do it without losing money, but they do it. Reason 2: I do not want to have my main account debit card with me, in case of issue they can potentially take a lot of my money. On Charles Schwab, instead, I keep at max 2-3 thousands USD. I keep the other Credit and Debit card in the hotel safe, or hidden somewhere.[/QUOTE]They know you have more money. Best you keep all your money in your main acct and easily accessible. This is so that you can give it all to your kidnappers without delay. Otherwise they will start chopping your fingers off one by one and posting them home. As we speak I am typing this with my remaining 3 toes. Its a struggle, I tell you.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2849033]No one has mentioned the weather in MDE.
I have been coming here since 2010 and it has never been this hot. I normally hate air conditioner's but now it is a must here now.
[/QUOTE]I was just looking at Airbnb's and most of them don't have AC wtf is that? Finally found one after 3 hours of looking and it's guest friendly with awesome reviews.
Haven't posted in awhile but I did want to say, the last few times I've visited the casas and / or El Centro in general, the talent has fallen off noticeably since the pandemic. Some places have closed, there are less girls working, and the ones around don't look as good. Last time I was at a casa was about a month ago. It used to be, I would always see 1 or 2 newbies or raw talent, but that hasn't been the case for awhile now. That has been my experience. At the same time, it seems like there has been an explosion in the webcam and online stuff. Also seeing more Venezolanas and less quality Paisas.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2849118]I was just looking at Airbnb's and most of them don't have AC wtf is that? Finally found one after 3 hours of looking and it's guest friendly with awesome reviews.[/QUOTE]I heard it's like a heat wave happening till Feb. Next year. Don't know *shrugs* I'm in Bogota and it never passes 70 degrees here. Going to Medellin next month just booked a nice studio for 550 a month in laureles until the end of the year that's modern with ac. I wish you guys luck in this heat.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2849138]Haven't posted in awhile but I did want to say, the last few times I've visited the casas and / or El Centro in general, the talent has fallen off noticeably since the pandemic. Some places have closed, there are less girls working, and the ones around don't look as good. Last time I was at a casa was about a month ago. It used to be, I would always see 1 or 2 newbies or raw talent, but that hasn't been the case for awhile now. That has been my experience. At the same time, it seems like there has been an explosion in the webcam and online stuff. Also seeing more Venezolanas and less quality Paisas.[/QUOTE]There is a saying that when one loses a job, they usually find a better one. The chicks have probably moved on to better shit since there was no money to be made from casas during the pandemic. Sometimes calamities improve people's lives because it throws them out of the complacency they had with a previous job.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2849138]Haven't posted in awhile but I did want to say, the last few times I've visited the casas and / or El Centro in general, the talent has fallen off noticeably since the pandemic. Some places have closed, there are less girls working, and the ones around don't look as good. Last time I was at a casa was about a month ago. It used to be, I would always see 1 or 2 newbies or raw talent, but that hasn't been the case for awhile now. That has been my experience. At the same time, it seems like there has been an explosion in the webcam and online stuff. Also seeing more Venezolanas and less quality Paisas.[/QUOTE]Mde not as poor anymore I guess. And the Venezuelans are going to Bogota I think.
In terms of cams I don't think so. Not on Streamate at least I have to keep tabs on chaturbate and strip chat and live Jasmin. My experience is that more girls are leaving the cam business than not. I had one cam girl from Armenia that I'm meeting up with with later this year who is now doing full time university instead of camming. Don't know where she getting the money for that. I have another cam girl from Cali that went from being a cam girl to being one of the moderators for cam girls. Maybe she wasn't getting enough money? I have another one that stopped camming for a month because personal issues but she's down to go to guatape with me. And not to mention the handful of other girls I've known that aren't doing it anymore.
Also girls go to where the money is and they usually start doing p4 p because of what friends tell them. With the massive influx of foreigners to Medellin more girls moving to poblado / lleras and not doing centro. I had one girl who used to work out of a casa in Itagui. Used to call her to my place near lleras everyday. I get back to Mde recently like last month and turns out her whole casa was moved super close to lleras. I'm guessing all the centro girl permanently moved to lleras as well.
It might be that economic conditions have improved so girls aren't into obvios p4 p street action. People have been mentioning that prices have increased even if ever so slightly.
Also it doesn't help that the exchange rate was close to 5 k at one point and so because if the excess pesos coming in places that attracted foreigners increased prices like Loutron and la isla while places for locals like centro have stayed the same. Girls go to where the money is. The less they fuck for more money the better so they are more attracted to these higher end places. Take gustos for example. There's a girl union basically saying not to go under 150 usd. That basically sucked up all the talent that was in lleras above a certain caliber up and into gustos.
Overall, these girls haven't died. We just have to figure out where they went, are they willing to p4 p,and how much are they willing to accept.
[QUOTE=Mongo1;2847968]Fun times in Medellin. My brother and I met up with Linda and Daniella to come over to our apartment in Laureles. Linda showed up looking in her usual knock out way an hour earlier so we had a few drinks and enjoyed a little smoke and some drinks. After a hour Daniella showed up looking super-hot too, she is really a tall one coming in at 6 foot 2 inches so yeah you will get some looks walking around with that one.
We head out to Taqueria Cuernavaca in Laureles and when we got there was a huge line and waiting list so Linda suggested La Pampa Argentinian Steakhouse. We got over there and was able to get a good table. So, we are having some conversation and Linda starts smoking some pot right there at the table. So, I turn to her and tell her that she probably shouldn't be doing that and she say "no se precupes, Daniella estas fumando su cigarro electronica". I'm like thinking we were going to get kicked out of the place but everything went well.
After dinner we head back to our AirBnB we pour some Cuba Libre's and we show the girls the Hot Tub out on our back patio. We started to coach the girls to get naked and jump in and they say you guys get in first. About 2 seconds later my brother and I were in the Hot Tub and were like on chicas, you have way too many clothes on. With a little more coaching the clothes started to drop off and before we knew it, they were in the tub with us. We had some drinks, talked, and played around a little and of course it was a great photo opportunity. I figure when we are 90, in our wheel chairs these pictures will bring back great memories.
After the Hot Tub Linda, lights one up and we partake for a little bit and then off to the bedroom and jump in bed. First, she starts massaging me a little bit and then starts kissing her way down and begins a great BBBJ. She is quite talented in this procedure and was driving me nuts as always. I had a real ripper going at this point and then she starts mounting me in reverse cow girl. Watching that ass and pussy riding up and down was giving me that life is good feeling LOL. Then she tells me that she really wants it doggie style, what can I guy do but comply at this point. So, there I am banging that fine ass watching those big titties swaying. I'm doing this for a while and since I had quite a few drinks it was difficult to climax. So, I pull out and lay down and had Linda finish me off with a great oral natural. Damages 4 hours $300,000 plus $50,000 tip.
One of many great nights in Medellin.
Next Report Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Great report! Where did you find Daniella?
[QUOTE=Anukris;2848813]Planning to visit Medellin in Sept 2nd week. I went to Medellin few times so far and it was always a great experience. I stayed in Laureles, San Peters Apartments all of the times and I know the area pretty well. But this time I am planning to stay in El Poblado, can anyone please suggest any girl friendly hotels in that area or Airbnbs that you are aware of, looking for one with a Jacuzzi. If any of you have any questions, feel free to message me and I will be happy to help with all the information. I visited a lot of casas in El Centro (New Life, Zandalay etc. , I also used prepago websites and I know lot of bars in Laureles to pickup girls etc. , Last time (May 2023) I felt that quality came down a lot in the Casas, I guess because of the inflation. But Prepago girls were still a great option for 150 mil pesos mostly. Most of the girls in the Poblado are about 300 mil and La Isla and fase dos were the same as well.[/QUOTE]Hi, I tried to send you message but it looks like you have PMs blocked. What bars for pick up girls you can recommend in Laureles? Thanks!
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2849118]I was just looking at Airbnb's and most of them don't have AC wtf is that? Finally found one after 3 hours of looking and it's guest friendly with awesome reviews.[/QUOTE]Unless the apartment has an extreme exposure to direct sun no AC is needed. In all my trips to Medellin I think it was only hot one time, and that was only around 30 see.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2849118]I was just looking at Airbnb's and most of them don't have AC wtf is that? Finally found one after 3 hours of looking and it's guest friendly with awesome reviews.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking and as a rule of thumb, if your in an Apartment building that is directly west facing with no shade from other buildings, you will want to definitely rent a Unit with AC, especially if your in a higher building. The difference can be like night and day in the same building depending on the direction of the Unit.
Also something you may not of considered is noise. Not all buildings have dual pane or sound reducing windows, especially the older buildings.
Hence you may find a Unit with AC, but because of the surroundings, like a busy road below, the noise can be an issue.
Most of the newer apartment buildings are equipped to have AC units, but they commonly don't exist in the older buildings.
For this reason, most Colombians do not like AC.
May seem odd, but that's the way it is in Medellin.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2849033]No one has mentioned the weather in MDE. *.
I have been coming here since 2010 and it has never been this hot. I normally hate air conditioner's but now it is a must here now.
d.[/QUOTE]Its definitely been hotter than hooker in heater here the past month.
Unfortunately it's global warming, not only here, but everywhere it seems like in the world.
And yes, unless your totally in the shade, AC is a must.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2849186]Mde not as poor anymore I guess. With the massive influx of foreigners to Medellin more girls moving to poblado / lleras and not doing centro. [/QUOTE]Agree. Now I haven't gone to the casas off the beaten path in awhile. I may have to venture out one day because the most notable ones in El Centro are a crap shoot. Long gone are the days of hitting multiple casas in one day for 2 or 3 smashes that were quality. I haven't migrated to the FB stuff yet either. You're right about adapting. I guess I've been spoiled for so long where going to bust a good nutt was as easy and effortless as going to the gym and having a good workout LOL. In and out.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2848857]I agree that $3 k is a lot to take, but note that the FDIC insures this iup to $250 k per account. As someone who was scolped last November (by a 'non pro on 3rd date') no less, and had $25 k taken from me between credit cards and bank accounts, Charles Schwab and Chase were iron clad and stand up. Citibank not so much. I was eventually made completely whole, but some banks I found better than others.
BTW. I take no pride in sharing this. I'm just making it know that it does happen, even to those of us who have been in the hobby for 10+ years and take normal precautions (ie locking things up). Shit happens. Keep your guard up gentlemen![/QUOTE]Sorry to hear what happened to you bro. Few years ago dudes getting scolped in Col was a very rare topic, now every day we're reading this incl deaths, so fellas we need to be more diligent. Obviously the Colombian Govt or Police isn't cracking down on it so it's up the us Gringos to find a way to prevent it. I was going to make this post on Best Practices, but I figured I'd reply it to your comment since you mentioned it:
These Rules will keep you alive, keep you from getting drugged or Scolped. Nothing is guarantee but your chances of encountering those issues are highly reduced:
1. Don't get drunk in the bars, clubs, or in the streets alone. If you're with friends it's usually OK.
2. Drugs, drugs, drugs, THIS is a choice that increases your chance of being among troubled chicas (especially if they do drugs also which is many of them). You made your own bed at this point.
3. We've all read about covering our drinks. Not leaving our drinks unattended. This one's on you.
4. Leave the gullible, everything is like a flowery pink paradise, I'm a rich (poor at home) gringo while in Medellin mindset behind.
5. Pretend you're hanging out or passing through the most dangerous hood in the US. Be observant of your surroundings, and you can do this without being paranoid.
6. Have a system. I've read some fellas do not bring girls to their main spot, or have a spare room, some leave their cash or main cellphone in safes, and only be outside with small amounts of cash or 1 credit card, or what they're willing to lose. This is what I do. I use the MotelNow app, which I learned about in a post here; basically lists all the love motels in Col you can use to bring girls for as cheap as 20 k pesos for few hrs. No excuses.
7. This may sound silly, but don't use fingerprints to unlock your phone, I don't know why this was invented bc anyone can drug / dose you and unlock your phone w your finger. Memorize a password duh. Same with your banks and money apps, do not have them auto-login or password saved. Every single person that have had money stolen while drugged is due to those. Come on, technology does make us lazy, and it's ok while at home on our day to day jobs, busy lifestyles. But if we're traveling to very poor countries with aggressive hawkers and gangsters everywhere, of which many wish to melt you for $20 why would you not adjust at least while there? I've worked in IT support and even in the states most consumer hacks / breaches which arent really hacks are due to lazy users or folks that auto-save every password in their browsers, phones, etc. Wives catching cheating husbands, vice and versa for using those features LOL. Yes these Col chicas will drug you and drain your accts so don't make it easy.
8. Stay away from dating apps, or do very very good video interviews. Do not do threesome unless it's with someone you've known for a while.
9. The comment above mentioned he was drugged on the 3rd date. Do yall remember the good ol mongering rule of "DO NOT REPEAT"? It is for this exact reason. Do not repeat dates with hawkers, and investigate better to confirm that they are truly non-pros if they claim to be. What's to stop them from lying? Nothing. So either become really good at it, or just void it. Guys who never repeat dates NEVER get in trouble and this is coming from the real Vets.
10. Best and true non-pros I've met and still experiencing with were not from dating apps. Someone who post an Ad as a gorgeous 20 year old female, seeking to date USA or Foreign Males from 18-90 years old is NOT a non-pro. Why would a normal girl, in college, living w parent, 20 years old with all her life ahead of her, want to be with a 50-90 year old man that barely speaks her language? She's a pro or after money; which will lead to greed and trouble. Yes, we've all read this a Million times that we're a Bank account to them at this point. Now, you could find a more honest one. Let's say a waitress, someone walking in the street or at work that you caught off guard; those interactions are more realistic due to the fact that she didn't target you, or had an Ad to go fishing for opportunities. You instead introduced yourself, asked her out and persuaded her like a real man does. So the internet and all these dating platforms are what's contributing to these problems.
I'm on my way back to Medellin in few days, I will likely stay for a Month or Two, or more since I work remotely LOL. Just broke up / ended things w couple local gfs so I will be in the hunt for new hunnies. I will post in that coming to town section for anyone who want to grab a beer. I'm reading some shit also which is good.
Cheers and be Safe Gentlemen!
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2849138]the last few times I've visited the casas and / or El Centro in general, the talent has fallen off noticeably since the pandemic. Some places have closed, there are less girls working, and the ones around don't look as good.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying its always the case, but I think these drops in talent is as much to do with our own pschology as anything else. I hear it said many times that MDE is full of beauties, when the reality is that it isn't. Sure, there are some decent girls but often we get carried away like a kid in a sweet shop. Then after we acclimatise more, we see it more clearly for what it is. Girls dressing to the 9's to try to impress us.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2849333]Agree. Now I haven't gone to the casas off the beaten path in awhile. I may have to venture out one day because the most notable ones in El Centro are a crap shoot. Long gone are the days of hitting multiple casas in one day for 2 or 3 smashes that were quality. I haven't migrated to the FB stuff yet either. You're right about adapting. I guess I've been spoiled for so long where going to bust a good nutt was as easy and effortless as going to the gym and having a good workout LOL. In and out.[/QUOTE]I remember the days when at New Life or Energy I'd have to view the lineup a few times to try the choose from 3 or 4 solid 8/9's in the group. It was really difficult to choose and don't get me started on Abydos.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2849398]I remember the days when at New Life or Energy I'd have to view the lineup a few times to try the choose from 3 or 4 solid 8/9's in the group. It was really difficult to choose and don't get me started on Abydos.[/QUOTE]Yesss! I can relate. Trying to remember multiple names and then one comes out and your brain crashes like a computer. I wonder sometimes why not just give them numbers LOL. There used to be days where you had a good session and still wondered if you picked the right one because there were several smokers.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2849363]I'm not saying its always the case, but I think these drops in talent is as much to do with our own pschology as anything else. I hear it said many times that MDE is full of beauties, when the reality is that it isn't. Sure, there are some decent girls but often we get carried away like a kid in a sweet shop. Then after we acclimatise more, we see it more clearly for what it is. Girls dressing to the 9's to try to impress us.[/QUOTE]As someone that has lived full-time in Meddy for the last 6 plus years, I would say there are a lot of beautiful women here in the general population. But the casas in El Centro have gone downhill.
Today is Sunday so maybe not the best day to judge, but I took a long walk from my place to El Centro. I saw a couple of doable ones around the statutes but there wasn't a lot that caught my eye. The street behind the museum was pretty disgusting. I would have to be with my peeps to want to hang around there. Didn't go into any strip clubs. They are doing construction and simultaneously crowd control around Botero so there are barriers up and other things to control the flow. On the way home, I saw a homeless type dude snatch a shopping bag from an old lady and run off in the Laureles area.
[QUOTE=BartSimpson5;2849204]Hi, I tried to send you message but it looks like you have PMs blocked. What bars for pick up girls you can recommend in Laureles? Thanks![/QUOTE]Seems like my subscription expired. Try the Medellin sports bar in the evenings, this is the bar in the San peter apartments, there will be 6-7 girls in the evenings. Try the hotel el dorado LA 70 lobby, there will be few girls there. There are couple of couple of bars next to Exito LA 70, one is Angels Bar Salsa why Musica Variada, there are plenty of girls here but you have to pay a bar fee to get the girl to your hotel room.
Also there are lot of prepago girls in the Amoblados La 70 Medellíand (google it), you will find them on the photoprepago website or pasionprepagos. Quality and price wise this is the best option in my opinion. I tried lots of prepago girls without an issue is laureles and it is usually safe. Please don't go out of laureles or el poblado area if you are venturing into prepago girls.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2849363]I'm not saying its always the case, but I think these drops in talent is as much to do with our own pschology as anything else. I hear it said many times that MDE is full of beauties, when the reality is that it isn't. [/QUOTE]Its mostly silicone and plastic surgery.
Staying at the Dann Carlton Hotel. Just wondering if anyone stayed here? Are they girl friendly? Do they charge a fee for guest? Thank you kindly.
Hey brothers, I am just posting this so we are all Vigilant and stay safe while visiting Medellin, but the unthinkable happened again:
Just saw this post from a day ago on Facebook, but this FB user below posted that an American was found dead in a hotel room due to being Scoped by a girl here. What is strange is that the hotel was not aware for 3 days he was dead. How on Earth did security let her slip out? I stay at the Royal Du Parc Hotel and security is very tight, with girls being required to furnish ID and me getting a call asking if everything is okay before she is allowed to leave the premises.
Here is the FB link:
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=shawn%20smith%20pickett[/URL]
Here is copy of the post:
Medellin Expats.
Posted by :Shawn Smith Pickett .
1 d.
It just keeps happening. Another American found dead in his hotel room yesterday In Medelland after visiting Parque Lleras. The 44 year old was found unconscious in his room after hotel staff had not seen him for three days. He was unconscious when they found him but later died. Foreigners who come here to party need to know by now those working girls would love to be doing anything other than working the streets and entertaining 55 year old gringos. They do it because they are either out of options economically and need to feed their kids or at the direction of a boyfriend. No you are not that cool. No You are not that attractive No they don't want to come to America. They want to clean your pockets Take as much money as they can from You and move on to the next as quickly as possible. If that means drugging you and getting away with even more and not having to entertain You some certainly will. The girls certainly are not Pharmacists so they are just guessing how much Scope to use. This is mostly directed at the self described Passport Bros who see the glam and glitter of Medelland on You tube and head over with 6 months of saved up cash and throw it around Lleras like a baller. You better save some of that cash for a transport back home in a casket. They will shoot you here for a I phone. Sorry and sad my fellow American lost his life in Such a beautiful country but Medelland is not Las Vegas.
[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2849349]Sorry to hear what happened to you bro. Few years ago dudes getting scolped in Col was a very rare topic, now every day we're reading this incl deaths, so fellas we need to be more diligent. Obviously the Colombian Govt or Police isn't cracking down on it so it's up the us Gringos to find a way to prevent it. I was going to make this post on Best Practices, but I figured I'd reply it to your comment since you mentioned it:
These Rules will keep you alive, keep you from getting drugged or Scolped. Nothing is guarantee but your chances of encountering those issues are highly reduced:
1. Don't get drunk in the bars, clubs, or in the streets alone. If you're with friends it's usually OK.
2. Drugs, drugs, drugs, THIS is a choice that increases your chance of being among troubled chicas (especially if they do drugs also which is many of them). You made your own bed at this point.
3. We've all read about covering our drinks. Not leaving our drinks unattended. This one's on you.
4. Leave the gullible, everything is like a flowery pink paradise, I'm a rich (poor at home) gringo while in Medellin mindset behind.
5. Pretend you're hanging out or passing through the most dangerous hood in the US. Be observant of your surroundings, and you can do this without being paranoid.
6. Have a system. I've read some fellas do not bring girls to their main spot, or have a spare room, some leave their cash or main cellphone in safes, and only be outside with small amounts of cash or 1 credit card, or what they're willing to lose. This is what I do. I use the MotelNow app, which I learned about in a post here; basically lists all the love motels in Col you can use to bring girls for as cheap as 20 k pesos for few hrs. No excuses.
7. This may sound silly, but don't use fingerprints to unlock your phone, I don't know why this was invented bc anyone can drug / dose you and unlock your phone w your finger. Memorize a password duh. Same with your banks and money apps, do not have them auto-login or password saved. Every single person that have had money stolen while drugged is due to those. Come on, technology does make us lazy, and it's ok while at home on our day to day jobs, busy lifestyles. But if we're traveling to very poor countries with aggressive hawkers and gangsters everywhere, of which many wish to melt you for $20 why would you not adjust at least while there? I've worked in IT support and even in the states most consumer hacks / breaches which arent really hacks are due to lazy users or folks that auto-save every password in their browsers, phones, etc. Wives catching cheating husbands, vice and versa for using those features LOL. Yes these Col chicas will drug you and drain your accts so don't make it easy.
8. Stay away from dating apps, or do very very good video interviews. Do not do threesome unless it's with someone you've known for a while.
9. The comment above mentioned he was drugged on the 3rd date. Do yall remember the good ol mongering rule of "DO NOT REPEAT"? It is for this exact reason. Do not repeat dates with hawkers, and investigate better to confirm that they are truly non-pros if they claim to be. What's to stop them from lying? Nothing. So either become really good at it, or just void it. Guys who never repeat dates NEVER get in trouble and this is coming from the real Vets.
10. Best and true non-pros I've met and still experiencing with were not from dating apps. Someone who post an Ad as a gorgeous 20 year old female, seeking to date USA or Foreign Males from 18-90 years old is NOT a non-pro. Why would a normal girl, in college, living w parent, 20 years old with all her life ahead of her, want to be with a 50-90 year old man that barely speaks her language? She's a pro or after money; which will lead to greed and trouble. Yes, we've all read this a Million times that we're a Bank account to them at this point. Now, you could find a more honest one. Let's say a waitress, someone walking in the street or at work that you caught off guard; those interactions are more realistic due to the fact that she didn't target you, or had an Ad to go fishing for opportunities. You instead introduced yourself, asked her out and persuaded her like a real man does. So the internet and all these dating platforms are what's contributing to these problems.
I'm on my way back to Medellin in few days, I will likely stay for a Month or Two, or more since I work remotely LOL. Just broke up / ended things w couple local gfs so I will be in the hunt for new hunnies. I will post in that coming to town section for anyone who want to grab a beer. I'm reading some shit also which is good.
Cheers and be Safe Gentlemen![/QUOTE]Pretty good, except #9 is garbage.
Most of the drugging that gets reported happens on the first date.
Whether it's the first or the fifth, you should still take the same precautions.
This board is mainly for useless banter, rarely does someone post actual trip report.
Medellin is indeed very hot this year, during my visit in Aug, this year, it was 31 degrees every day. No way on earth I could have stayed in Medellin without an AC. All of South America is quite hot this winter.
Barcelona Casa seems like interesting find. Which case is it closest to?
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2849033]No one has mentioned the weather in MDE. *.
I have been coming here since 2010 and it has never been this hot. I normally hate air conditioner's but now it is a must here now.
Anyway while taking my normal walk in Centro I was given a card for*.
Barcelona Casa CR 47 53-42. It was early in the day and I had not taken a shower yet. I would never take a girl in that state but I thought I could just go to check out the talent and pay the viewing fee and return later if someone strikes my fancy. The sign said 5 K fee if you did not partake in the festivities. I bought a water for 3 K and watched about 10 girls parade for me. 4 were very doable { *a 7 is my standard }. Before I* left I found out the fee for one hour is 70 K. I was very surprised as the lowest I have seen is 80 k and most others are 90 K for the hour. I did not ask about 30 minutes as I'm a hour guy. I guess buying a drink is good as was not asked for the 5 K fee as I went my way.
Please boys stop begging to pay 600 K. You guys are starting to blow my mind.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone else find the most interesting aspect of this news is that there seems to be no other mention of this anywhere else online?
If anyone has any other link to this news, post it.
Not seeing another word about this news has to make you wonder how many other similar incidents are unknown.
You can estimate the problem is at least twice as bad as it appears.
Read my recent post in Colombia general information and be careful.
Colombia has gone to hell. Can't believe so many are risking their lives for a little stanky.
Take it from a long term resident, it is fucking dangerous here now, real dangerous.
Everyone knows it even the USA Government knows it. Read their state department advisory now for Colombia.
It is no bullshit.
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2849470]Hey brothers, I am just posting this so we are all Vigilant and stay safe while visiting Medellin, but the unthinkable happened again:
Just saw this post from a day ago on Facebook, but this FB user below posted that an American was found dead in a hotel room due to being Scoped by a girl here. What is strange is that the hotel was not aware for 3 days he was dead. How on Earth did security let her slip out? I stay at the Royal Du Parc Hotel and security is very tight, with girls being required to furnish ID and me getting a call asking if everything is okay before she is allowed to leave the premises.
Here is the FB link:
[URL]https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=shawn%20smith%20pickett[/URL]
Here is copy of the post:
Medellin Expats..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2849561]Does anyone else find the most interesting aspect of this news is that there seems to be no other mention of this anywhere else online?
If anyone has any other link to this news, post it.
Not seeing another word about this news has to make you wonder how many other similar incidents are unknown.
You can estimate the problem is at least twice as bad as it appears.
[/QUOTE]I don't find that interesting. It's pretty well known that a lot of these guys are married and don't want people to know what happened, too cool and don't want their people to know and / or just too embarrassed or just don't have the time or interest to make anything out of it. I know guys that have been drugged and robbed and still continue to come to Medellin. At this point, I think dudes just charge it to the game and are willing to take the risk.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2849536]This board is mainly for useless banter, rarely does someone post actual trip report.
Medellin is indeed very hot this year, during my visit in Aug, this year, it was 31 degrees every day. No way on earth I could have stayed in Medellin without an AC. All of South America is quite hot this winter.
Barcelona Casa seems like interesting find. Which case is it closest to?[/QUOTE]There are at least 4 casas within a 5 minute walk of Barcelona. Excuse my spelling Zandly, Sexy Amicas are the best ones.
[QUOTE=Redman25;2849452]Staying at the Dann Carlton Hotel. Just wondering if anyone stayed here? Are they girl friendly? Do they charge a fee for guest? Thank you kindly.[/QUOTE]Yes, guest friendly. Your guest needs a Cedula. If you booked the stay for 2 people, they won't charge you extra. Don't know what happens if you booked for 1 person.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2849561]Does anyone else find the most interesting aspect of this news is that there seems to be no other mention of this anywhere else online?
If anyone has any other link to this news, post it.
Not seeing another word about this news has to make you wonder how many other similar incidents are unknown.
You can estimate the problem is at least twice as bad as it appears.
Read my recent post in Colombia general information and be careful.
Colombia has gone to hell. Can't believe so many are risking their lives for a little stanky.
Take it from a long term resident, it is fucking dangerous here now, real dangerous.
Everyone knows it even the USA Government knows it. Read their state department advisory now for Colombia.
It is no bullshit.[/QUOTE]It's always been dangerous here, however I don't think Colombia has gone to hell and become a lot more dangerous over the past decade.
And I think that a large percentage of the guys who get jacked up could of avoided the situation if they had been more cautious, albeit a lot of times are thinking with their little heads when going with Chicas.
And I agree with you that guys getting jacked up is way more prevalent than reported, but again believe getting jacked up can be reduced if using some common sense and taking precautionary measures when going with Chicas as has been suggested by other posters.
Unfortunately you can never let your guard down here as you can get jacked up when you least expect it.
Under various names, that casa has been reported on for more than 10 years in this forum. Like all the others the quality has its ups and downs. Worldwide temperatures are rising, oh well.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2849536]This board is mainly for useless banter, rarely does someone post actual trip report.
Medellin is indeed very hot this year, during my visit in Aug, this year, it was 31 degrees every day. No way on earth I could have stayed in Medellin without an AC. All of South America is quite hot this winter.
Barcelona Casa seems like interesting find. Which case is it closest to?[/QUOTE]
Almost daily 4 PM rainstorms are about to begin. That will be the end of the heat wave until late December. I was in Milla de Oro a couple of nights last week. There are a lot more foreign tourists coming here these days than I remember.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2849324]Its definitely been hotter than hooker in heater here the past month.
Unfortunately it's global warming, not only here, but everywhere it seems like in the world.
And yes, unless your totally in the shade, AC is a must.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2849561]Does anyone else find the most interesting aspect of this news is that there seems to be no other mention of this anywhere else online?
If anyone has any other link to this news, post it.
Not seeing another word about this news has to make you wonder how many other similar incidents are unknown.
You can estimate the problem is at least twice as bad as it appears.
Read my recent post in Colombia general information and be careful.
Colombia has gone to hell. Can't believe so many are risking their lives for a little stanky.
Take it from a long term resident, it is fucking dangerous here now, real dangerous.
Everyone knows it even the USA Government knows it. Read their state department advisory now for Colombia.
It is no bullshit.[/QUOTE]Here is a post I found on You Tube about it. It does not say he was scoped unitl they do autopsy, of course, but from all indications, a 44 year old man FJ Martin went missing several days ago and was found dead in his room points to scoping. Again, this is not my opinion, I am just posting the information. I suppose when they gather more facts and do autopsy, then more news will be posted online.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLZCh7F1jlA[/URL]
[QUOTE=Plan77;2849536]This board is mainly for useless banter, rarely does someone post actual trip report.
Medellin is indeed very hot this year, during my visit in Aug, this year, it was 31 degrees every day. No way on earth I could have stayed in Medellin without an AC. All of South America is quite hot this winter.
Barcelona Casa seems like interesting find. Which case is it closest to?[/QUOTE]31° isn't particularly hot, especially with the low humidity and the altitude. Of course it depends on what you're acclimated to.
Although these days air conditioning is usually a feature in the places where I stay, I had no issues at all in August without air conditioning. By 9 pm every night, temperature drops to 16-18° see, perfect for sleeping.
As a bonus, for those who stay in Laureles or other western areas, every afternoon there's a strong breeze coming down the mountain. It does an excellent job of keeping the temperature bearable.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2849536]
Medellin is indeed very hot this year, during my visit in Aug, this year, it was 31 degrees every day. No way on earth I could have stayed in Medellin without an AC. All of South America is quite hot this winter.
[/QUOTE]FWIW it's technically Summer in Medellin now (all of Colombia is north of the Equator). It's winter in (most of) Brasil, Argentina, Chili, Paraguay. Those countries are all or for the most part South of the Equator.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2849561]Does anyone else find the most interesting aspect of this news is that there seems to be no other mention of this anywhere else online?
If anyone has any other link to this news, post it.
Not seeing another word about this news has to make you wonder how many other similar incidents are unknown.
You can estimate the problem is at least twice as bad as it appears.
Read my recent post in Colombia general information and be careful.
Colombia has gone to hell. Can't believe so many are risking their lives for a little stanky.
Take it from a long term resident, it is fucking dangerous here now, real dangerous.
Everyone knows it even the USA Government knows it. Read their state department advisory now for Colombia.
It is no bullshit.[/QUOTE]It's been covered here extensively why many guys won't report when something bad happens to them. There's a certain amount of embarrassment, because afterwards you ask yourself "why didn't I see that coming?" You let your guard down, or get distracted at the wrong time and you find yourself the victim.
For at least the last 10 years the State Department has had a warning about visiting Colombia. It's always been dangerous, not much has changed. Drugging and robbing guys has been around for at least that long. Not many years ago they officially ended a 50 year Civil War, although there are still groups fighting in remote areas. The drug trade has always added risks. Toss in corruption and poverty and there are going to be risks.
If it's so dangerous, why are you just now saying something about it and planning to leave? It didn't suddenly become dangerous last week. If I'm ever someplace where "I can't believe so many are risking their lives", I'm on the next plane out. If that means abandoning everything I own, so be it. Ain't no piece of furniture worth more than my life. At least not to me. I'm sure there are guys here who would gladly trade my life for a decent recliner.
Most risks are manageable. Most of the guys here manage the risks quite well.
The talent evaporated.
New Life: Was my go to but on this trip there's a ton of fatties / grandmas and only like 3-4 girls who aren't who are usually taken.
Dulce: Lots of fatties here as well, maybe like one or two girls who are okay.
Club Sexy Amigas: I went there in the morning and there was only one girl available. Other girls went in and out with robes and a few girls were just getting in but all of them were flat as a pancake (not fat though). I'll probably go check it out one or two more times to see if I just got really unlucky.
Over the past few. Years, I've gotten at least like five or so 7's to 9's to choose from. This trip seems like a dud. The only girls that seem semi worth it are the girls I have on dial (from previous casa trips) but they are flaky and usually requires 4-8 hours. Where are all the hot girls hiding in centro? Anyone know of any decent casas in centro?
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2849617]Here is a post I found on You Tube about it. It does not say he was scoped unitl they do autopsy, of course, but from all indications, a 44 year old man FJ Martin went missing several days ago and was found dead in his room points to scoping. Again, this is not my opinion, I am just posting the information. I suppose when they gather more facts and do autopsy, then more news will be posted online
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLZCh7F1jlA[/URL][/QUOTE]That's why I made that post earlier about this.
The Scopolamine we used to read about was basically to rob the gringo where he'd wake up later and had zero knowledge of what he's done. Pretty much sounded like an hypnosis. Maybe a special dosage or recipe from Col which became even an urban myth. Like a zombie drug LOL. But lately it seem whatever drug or special mix they're using is actually killing tourists. Perhaps it's related to the protests in medellin that they hate tourists, they want us to leave since we've inflated many aspects of their local economy there? Pretty extreme. Dangerous nowadays.
If in Col I'd def stay away from main tourist spots since last reports confirm dudes were targetted from El Poblado specifically beside the typical Tinder type apps.
Be careful out there.
I found a nice Apt in Beléand, Malibu, and it's in a strato 5 area / upscale part of Medellin. Since this maybe long-term is anyone here familiar with that area? In terms of nightlife of course for adult clubs and casas? I can find the food and Exitos by myself or use Rappi LOL. I don't want to take an uber for 30 min each time to go toward New Life in la Candelaria area.
With all these reports on scoping and the quality at the clubs down, there is no reason to go to Colombia over Brazil. Brazilian girls are better in every way.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2849632] Where are all the hot girls hiding ?[/QUOTE]Too fat, too thin, too ugly, too old, too young, too expensive, too cheap, too dangerous, too hot, too polluted, too socialist. No way am I going there.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2849632]The talent evaporated.
New Life: Was my go to but on this trip there's a ton of fatties / grandmas and only like 3-4 girls who aren't who are usually taken.
Dulce: Lots of fatties here as well, maybe like one or two girls who are okay.
Club Sexy Amigas: I went there in the morning and there was only one girl available. Other girls went in and out with robes and a few girls were just getting in but all of them were flat as a pancake (not fat though). I'll probably go check it out one or two more times to see if I just got really unlucky.
Over the past few. Years, I've gotten at least like five or so 7's to 9's to choose from. This trip seems like a dud. The only girls that seem semi worth it are the girls I have on dial (from previous casa trips) but they are flaky and usually requires 4-8 hours. Where are all the hot girls hiding in centro? Anyone know of any decent casas in centro?[/QUOTE]They figure they can make more money giving outcalls to gringos and strolling parque lleras. The 7-9's have moved on to Europe and Mexico there is a serious talent drain in Colombia.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2849680]With all these reports on scoping and the quality at the clubs down, there is no reason to go to Colombia over Brazil. Brazilian girls are better in every way.[/QUOTE]Been there before? Met a Brazilian girl the other day in the states, in her 30's so very mature, business owner. She said her and family who recently moved to the US will never go back to Brazil since it is the most dangerous country in South America. I actually believe it since many news reports confirm that. The level of violence in Brazil are things you only see in movies, and Colombia is no where near that bad, so think again LOL.
She said you could be in a Taxi right out of the airport, and moto gangster will drive by the taxi w guns and rob you and the driver while you're at a stop light. In fact not only she broke it down to me, I also read and watched many taxi drivers now enhenced their cars to be bullet proof LOL. Yeah I know, I laughed also thinking it couldn't be that bad it is. You have drivers with bullet proof cars so that they can transport the tourist in peace from the Airport or around. I think once you're in the city and blend in and no one knows you then it's fine. But I hear both Rio and Sau Paulo we should stay away from. I'm still going to go, just sharing a story.
That kind of stuff make Colombia look ok still. If we control our little head in our pants for the most part we'll be alright in Col.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2849680]With all these reports on scoping and the quality at the clubs down, there is no reason to go to Colombia over Brazil. Brazilian girls are better in every way.[/QUOTE]Here are 2 reasons to go to Colombia over Brazil.
1. At least for me, flights are much cheaper and shorter to Colombia.
2. Spanish is a useful language in almost every country in Central and South America and the Caribbean, as well as Spain.
I've been told by people who I trust that Brazil is much better, but when the quality in the clubs and the scoping incidents generally don't concern me, and when I have excellent reasons to return to Colombia, it's not an easy sell.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2849611]Almost daily 4 PM rainstorms are about to begin. That will be the end of the heat wave until late December. I was in Milla de Oro a couple of nights last week. There are a lot more foreign tourists coming here these days than I remember.[/QUOTE]When does the rainy season end? I plan on going early November.
I am curious if any seasoned MDE travelers know of another similar place to the Mansion? Or a similar bar that caters to international visitors? Seems like there's room in the market for another one.
December, sorry I did not write more clearly.
[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2849843]When does the rainy season end? I plan on going early November.[/QUOTE]
Try Aventura and let us know how you make out. There is also a place next to Energy that accepts walk ins and books appointments on mileroticos etc. You might enjoy the Ellas Eroticas locations. All are searchable on this forum or elsewhere on the Internet. Enjoy your visit.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2849632]The talent evaporated.
New Life: Was my go to but on this trip there's a ton of fatties / grandmas and only like 3-4 girls who aren't who are usually taken.
Dulce: Lots of fatties here as well, maybe like one or two girls who are okay.
Club Sexy Amigas: I went there in the morning and there was only one girl available. Other girls went in and out with robes and a few girls were just getting in but all of them were flat as a pancake (not fat though). I'll probably go check it out one or two more times to see if I just got really unlucky.
Over the past few. Years, I've gotten at least like five or so 7's to 9's to choose from. This trip seems like a dud. The only girls that seem semi worth it are the girls I have on dial (from previous casa trips) but they are flaky and usually requires 4-8 hours. Where are all the hot girls hiding in centro? Anyone know of any decent casas in centro?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SteelDh;2849725]They figure they can make more money giving outcalls to gringos and strolling parque lleras. The 7-9's have moved on to Europe and Mexico there is a serious talent drain in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Where can we find these top tier girls in Mexico?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2849771]Here are 2 reasons to go to Colombia over Brazil.
1. At least for me, flights are much cheaper and shorter to Colombia.
2. Spanish is a useful language in almost every country in Central and South America and the Caribbean, as well as Spain.
I've been told by people who I trust that Brazil is much better, but when the quality in the clubs and the scoping incidents generally don't concern me, and when I have excellent reasons to return to Colombia, it's not an easy sell.[/QUOTE]The extra flight hours is worth it. My last trip to Medellin was a real dud. Can't say the same for my Brazil trip. I've never been robbed by a motorcycle gang. Although my next trip I arrive at like 1 am. First time leaving the airport that late at night. I hope nothing happens other than no traffic which will be awesome.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2849873]I am curious if any seasoned MDE travelers know of another similar place to the Mansion? Or a similar bar that caters to international visitors? Seems like there's room in the market for another one.[/QUOTE]Problem with the mansion is I heard they have been robbed a few times. Maybe someone else can chime in on how many but you won't have to worry about that at a hotel. That place is a sitting duck for armed robbers.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2849873]I am curious if any seasoned MDE travelers know of another similar place to the Mansion? Or a similar bar that caters to international visitors? Seems like there's room in the market for another one.[/QUOTE]Your best bet is to go to LLeras Park Club in the Poblado area next to the Park. The mansion bar is a bar / lounge with music and so is Lleras Park Club. The real difference is that Lleras Park will have from 50 to 70 girls depending on the time of the night whereas the Mansion is very hit or miss with having from only a few girls to a max. Peak of a dozen or so. No comparison.
[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2849763]Been there before? Met a Brazilian girl the other day in the states, in her 30's so very mature, business owner. She said her and family who recently moved to the US will never go back to Brazil since it is the most dangerous country in South America. I actually believe it since many news reports confirm that. The level of violence in Brazil are things you only see in movies, and Colombia is no where near that bad, so think again LOL.
She said you could be in a Taxi right out of the airport, and moto gangster will drive by the taxi w guns and rob you and the driver while you're at a stop light. In fact not only she broke it down to me, I also read and watched many taxi drivers now enhenced their cars to be bullet proof LOL. Yeah I know, I laughed also thinking it couldn't be that bad it is. You have drivers with bullet proof cars so that they can transport the tourist in peace from the Airport or around. I think once you're in the city and blend in and no one knows you then it's fine. But I hear both Rio and Sau Paulo we should stay away from. I'm still going to go, just sharing a story.
That kind of stuff make Colombia look ok still. If we control our little head in our pants for the most part we'll be alright in Col.[/QUOTE]Your friend sounds clueless. Number one, Brazilian taxi drivers don't stop at red lights. Red stands for recommend to stop in Brazil. 2) no taxi driver could afford to bullet proof their car. Most ridiculous thing I ever heard. I heard all those crazy type stories about Colombia. The only real threat to you in Colombia is scoping or someone breaking into your Airbnb or apartment.
There are down market strip clubs in Centro and higher end strip clubs in the neighborhoods surrounding El Poblado. You can have sessions on site or pay big to bring them to where you are staying. If the Mansion angle is about someone to speak English to you or gringos to hang around with then it's best to just go to Lleras.
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2849910]Your best bet is to go to LLeras Park Club in the Poblado area next to the Park. The mansion bar is a bar / lounge with music and so is Lleras Park Club. The real difference is that Lleras Park will have from 50 to 70 girls depending on the time of the night whereas the Mansion is very hit or miss with having from only a few girls to a max. Peak of a dozen or so. No comparison.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2849680]With all these reports on scoping and the quality at the clubs down, there is no reason to go to Colombia over Brazil. Brazilian girls are better in every way.[/QUOTE]Brasil is every bit as dangerous as Colombia. Latin America in general is dangerous af and those two countries have been at or near the top of the list for decades.
[QUOTE=Combo;2849931]Brasil is every bit as dangerous as Colombia. Latin America in general is dangerous af and those two countries have been at or near the top of the list for decades.[/QUOTE]Well, if you get scoped in Brazil, then at least you're getting scoped for better tutes LOL!
[QUOTE=Gropai;2849906]Where can we find these top tier girls in Mexico?[/QUOTE]They are in Cancun, Tulum, Mexico city and Tijuana. Some of the 8-10's are only available on IG and just work through referrals and already have a steady stream of sponsors.
[QUOTE=Gropai;2849906]Where can we find these top tier girls in Mexico?[/QUOTE]Go to Mex. City you will find them and they start st about $150 usd.
[QUOTE=Combo;2849931]Brasil is every bit as dangerous as Colombia. Latin America in general is dangerous af and those two countries have been at or near the top of the list for decades.[/QUOTE]Agree. I think the girls may be safer, but the crime is more blatant. Case in point, I was at a big DJ concert on Copacabana beach 2 weeks ago towards the end of my stay. I had no jewelry, only my iPhone, and I kept that close to me. I saw locals take out their phones to take photos so I also did so (stupidly). After snapping a couple quick ones I had the phone at waste level to text a few and a thief grabbed it (while it was in my hands). I had both hands on it so we tussled and I yelled thief (in English). One of his accomplices then tackled me to the ground and said I was the thief!! The other locals weren't sure until they could clearly tell I was a tourist. They then grabbed the first thief, but by then he had handed off the phone to someone else who dissapeared into the crowd. They ruffed him up a bit, but that was it.
Overall I was very surprised by how brazen and coordinated the thievery is in Brazil. It wasn't pickpocketing, it was straight up grabbing and then having someone else pull you away. Watch yourself!
Should I go to the Brazil forums to find Medellin content?
I've recently visited multiple times both places.
La Isla:
Much much bigger than Fase II, however it was weird that I went twice and once I saw really many beautiful girls, and second time really bad ones, literally I didn't like any of them 2nd time I went. I don't like the waitress there, especially one guy at the bar, very unpleasant. I had only one session there (when I went first time) and I have to say that session was very good, however only 1 shot was possible. Girl was brunet, I would rate her 8-9.
Prices generally are higher than in Fase II, either drinks and session with girl. Good thing however about this place is that girls are rotating there, unlike at Fase II.
Oh what I didn't like also is that if you don't buy bottle, there is no place to sit.
Fase II:
I visited this place like 5 times so far, it's smaller than La Isla but I think general design and vibe is much much better, I sesioned there with 3 girls. I recommend you guys stick to the ones that have bikini where belly is visible unless you want girl that has post-pregnant belly.
Girls are beautiful there, however they are not rotating, I see almost the same girls every time I go there.
The waiters are sooo much nicer, prices are lower and you can sit down at the bar even if you buy just a drink or water.
Overall I prefer Fase II much more than La Isla.
BTW. Do you know any clubs like these 2 mentioned above that are also kind of higher-end?
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2849986]Agree. I think the girls may be safer, but the crime is more blatant. Case in point, I was at a big DJ concert on Copacabana beach 2 weeks ago towards the end of my stay. I had no jewelry, only my iPhone, and I kept that close to me. I saw locals take out their phones to take photos so I also did so (stupidly). After snapping a couple quick ones I had the phone at waste level to text a few and a thief grabbed it (while it was in my hands). I had both hands on it so we tussled and I yelled thief (in English). One of his accomplices then tackled me to the ground and said I was the thief!! The other locals weren't sure until they could clearly tell I was a tourist. They then grabbed the first thief, but by then he had handed off the phone to someone else who dissapeared into the crowd. They ruffed him up a bit, but that was it.
Overall I was very surprised by how brazen and coordinated the thievery is in Brazil. It wasn't pickpocketing, it was straight up grabbing and then having someone else pull you away. Watch yourself![/QUOTE]You just proved my point. You were robbed because you were an idiot. Why would you bring a iPhone to Brazil. You know how much it's worth in that country with the huge tariffs they charge. Don't you rtff. You bring an old beater smartphone or buy a cheap brand like Blu for 50 to 100 bucks and let it go if someone grabs it. You could have been stabbed.
Everytime I read a story about someone being robbed it's always the tourist doing something dumb. The guy that I met that walked around at 2 am with a iPod, or the guy that brought all his electronics to Brazil: laptop, iPhone, tons of cash and someone broke into his apartment rental and took everything. Sure, I always take my iMac downstairs for breakfast, so everyone can see me, and when I get back, lock my things in the room and expect nothing bad to happen. LOL.
There is a reason I haven't been robbed in 20 years of mongering. I keep all valuables home and never rent apartments or air bnb.
[QUOTE=Combo;2849931]Brasil is every bit as dangerous as Colombia. Latin America in general is dangerous af and those two countries have been at or near the top of the list for decades.[/QUOTE]This is absolutely true Combo. Brazil is not safe by any means and maybe even more dangerous than Colombia in terms of homicides and violent crimes. I have been going there for 15 years and my long term girlfriend was from there. I know several Brazilians and they are scared in Rio at night and in Sao Paolo and warn to stay vigilant. Just google Good Night Cinderella drug in Brazil and you will see stories of sex workers who drug guys, rob them, and there have been deaths as well. Also, muggings at knife or gun point will occur (happened to her twice). My friend had his cell phone pick pocketed the first time he went with me. Many cities in Brazil make the worlds top dangerous cities list every year along with Mexico and the justice system is so broken, bankrupt that criminals know they will get out of violent crime soon if they pay a fine. Please stop giving false hopes to others Tijuana Brazil.
Also gents, please see the links below. Medellin did not even make it in the top 50 most dangerous cities in the world, Cali Colombia made it to number 24. You will see more cities in the USA, and Brazil that made the list and of course Mexican cities by far outnumber the rest.
https://www.worldatlas.com/cities/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html#h_32854079534951638029315518
https://theboutiqueadventurer.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world/
Medellin has gone the Thailand way. Became too popular, girls found a way to work abroad and have moved en masse. All the best performers in Thailand that I have known for over 15 years are outside Thailand now, even working in such unlikely places as Georgia and Africa.
My last trip was quite underwhelming as well.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2849632]The talent evaporated.
New Life: Was my go to but on this trip there's a ton of fatties / grandmas and only like 3-4 girls who aren't who are usually taken.
Dulce: Lots of fatties here as well, maybe like one or two girls who are okay.
Club Sexy Amigas: I went there in the morning and there was only one girl available. Other girls went in and out with robes and a few girls were just getting in but all of them were flat as a pancake (not fat though). I'll probably go check it out one or two more times to see if I just got really unlucky.
Over the past few. Years, I've gotten at least like five or so 7's to 9's to choose from. This trip seems like a dud. The only girls that seem semi worth it are the girls I have on dial (from previous casa trips) but they are flaky and usually requires 4-8 hours. Where are all the hot girls hiding in centro? Anyone know of any decent casas in centro?[/QUOTE]
I am yet to break my centro cherry.
Can someone please recommend some clean, safe short term motels very close to Veracruz church? The area is very busy so I don't want to go across three four streets, hence need something as close to church as possible.
Thank you, in advance, for any pointers.
[QUOTE=BartSimpson5;2850008]Prices generally are higher than in Fase II, either drinks and session with girl.[/QUOTE]What were the prices in both places?
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2850002]Should I go to the Brazil forums to find Medellin content?[/QUOTE]Actually the content is exactly identical in the sense of getting jacked up, everyone has a different perception of how dangerous a place is whether it's Colombia or Brazil, with the typical scenario being someone getting jacked up because of their own stupidity and or ignorance.
Exactly identical either in Colombia or Brazil.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2849986]Overall I was very surprised by how brazen and coordinated the thievery is in Brazil. It wasn't pickpocketing, it was straight up grabbing and then having someone else pull you away. Watch yourself![/QUOTE]It's like this as well in Colombia as you know.
And during the Pandemic in Centro there were also was a lot of very brazen thievery.
And it's still prevalent now, but lesser than during the Pandemic.
I have a friend here visiting and staying in Centro.
A few nights ago at around 9 PM in the evening he was walking around Botero Plaza and four women accosted him and tried to pick pocket him, but he had zippers they couldn't open on his pants and was able to get away.
He said that if they had gotten him on the ground they would of been able to take his belongings.
Yes you have to watch out always, because as soon as you let your guard down and least expect it you can get jacked up.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2850101]I am yet to break my centro cherry.
Can someone please recommend some clean, safe short term motels very close to Veracruz church? The area is very busy so I don't want to go across three four streets, hence need something as close to church as possible.
Thank you, in advance, for any pointers.[/QUOTE]To make it simple for you, if you stand at the Fountain in the Veracruz Church courtyard, you will be able to see at least five short term love motels within 150 feet which will be clean and safe, albeit not the cheapest around.
Report back on your foray down under! LOL.
Now you got to be cool when you go here and you got to have some game.
But you will get what you want with a little game.
There are no rooms on site so it will be take away service and you got to be cool.
Here you will learn just how cool real Colombian chicas really are.
No hard core putas here.
This place is completely off the beaten path. Just show a taxi driver the address:
Calle 59 see #66-26, El Trapiche, Bello.
If you check the address on Google maps you won't see the bar which is newly constructed.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2850150]To make it simple for you, if you stand at the Fountain in the Veracruz Church courtyard, you will be able to see at least five short term love motels within 150 feet which will be clean and safe, albeit not the cheapest around.[/QUOTE]Safe yes. Clean? You have lost your mind.
In order of cleanliness. Mostly are all in a row if you look on Google Maps.
Mandala $35,000 for 3 hours.
Casa Botero (now owned by Mandala) $47,000 for 3 hours. (This makes no sense. Receptionist said they are trying to make it a family type hotel). FYI They offer free coffee, tea, and cereal breakfast. 4 rooms painted and 1 being painted now. Expect prices to keep going up as improvements keep being made).
Mairuba $18,000 for 2 or 3 hours. (past on information to me from guy last week).
The rest are pretty much different levels of dirty and uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=Jicks;2850298]I've been around El Cento day and night for over a week and haven't had any problems. The entire place is deserted on Sunday, and I've had no problems thus far. In the meantime, I reserve rooms at Hotel Alcazar or Hotel Conquistadores to rest.[/QUOTE]You are clueless. I do not have the time to list all the things I have seen and things that have been told to me by others. Botero area is dangerous. So are other areas, even Poblado.
Last time I was here was 2 years ago. There are around 15% less girls, working less hours so harder to find, and the quality is down 15%. No, I did not count them or use a spreadsheet. It is my guesstimate. But all the other guys have said the same thing.
#4 for clean short time hotel.
Ocasionals Milan $8000 30 minutes (on Carrera 53 bar street) big vertical sign with big balcony. Hotel remodelled less than 2 years ago.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2850336]Safe yes. Clean? You have lost your mind.
In order of cleanliness. Mostly are all in a row if you look on Google Maps..[/QUOTE]I was not referring to the Hotels on the backstreet where they don't change the sheets and there are no bathrooms in the rooms.
All of the Love Motels within 150 feet of the Veracruz Fountain have bathrooms, towels, and hot water so I consider them clean.
As far as the rates for the Hotels you quoted, the Zona Rosa is directly in front of the Veracruz Fountains about 40 feet away and is about 15 K for short time.
And it changes the sheets, has towels, and hot water so need to be paying 30 K elsewhere, and clean enough for me.
There's a high probability that you can pick up a case of Scabies from one of the Hotels you mention that are in a row.
Not clean at all as you mention.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2850100]Medellin has gone the Thailand way. Became too popular, girls found a way to work abroad and have moved en masse. All the best performers in Thailand that I have known for over 15 years are outside Thailand now, even working in such unlikely places as Georgia and Africa.
My last trip was quite underwhelming as well.[/QUOTE]For Colombianas it's Mexico. Mexico is for them what USA is for Mexicans. Couple of lookers I see spend 3 months at a time in Mexico City and Playa del carmen. Mexican and US guys on business pay for their flights, hotels, another 500 US per day. Once there, they go on Tinder and Seeking and book guys once they need money. I imagine they aren't the only ones. Thing is, they will eventually have to come home to Colombia, then need money again and here we are.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2848582]MAKE sure you turn off the overdraft transfer from your brokerage account. Another problem is that you can't transfer money on the weekends.[/QUOTE]How do you do this? I can't find that option?
[QUOTE=Lou32;2848797]If it is true that chicas are banding together to pressure other chicas not to accept lower than 300 k AND chicas are agreeing to that then what is the point of the Mansion other than to collect contacts so that you can call her in to your apartment at YOUR rate some other day or night?
I don't understand.[/QUOTE]The sad fact is that if they really band together and start asking 500 k, guys will pay it, or they will be circle jerking each other. Many of those Mansion guys would never come to Colombia if not for the Mansion, so they are paying whatever is asked since they would be too scared to stay anywhere else.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2850268]Now you got to be cool when you go here and you got to have some game.
But you will get what you want with a little game.
There are no rooms on site so it will be take away service and you got to be cool.
Here you will learn just how cool real Colombian chicas really are.
No hard core putas here.
This place is completely off the beaten path. Just show a taxi driver the address:
Calle 59 see #66-26, El Trapiche, Bello.
If you check the address on Google maps you won't see the bar which is newly constructed.[/QUOTE]What it's like? Is it a strip club? Nightclub with semi pro's? Or are you talking about just local Colombian girls (non pros)?
How many bodies did you do on this place? At least share us some juicy details. I'll be at Medellin next month and will be checking this spot.
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2850044]Also gents, please see the links below. Medellin did not even make it in the top 50 most dangerous cities in the world, Cali Colombia made it to number 24. You will see more cities in the USA, and Brazil that made the list and of course Mexican cities by far outnumber the rest. [/QUOTE]And the same flawed analysis I have been refuting here for many years. There's a target on your back in Medellin and Rio in a way that there's not in the states as well as many other parts of the world. The gang slaying stats in New Orleans are irrelevant to this discussion and the purpose of this forum. They know who you are so watch it gents. The moment you think you can't get got you are one step closer to getting got.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2850100]Medellin has gone the Thailand way. Became too popular, girls found a way to work abroad and have moved en masse. All the best performers in Thailand that I have known for over 15 years are outside Thailand now, even working in such unlikely places as Georgia and Africa.
My last trip was quite underwhelming as well.[/QUOTE]My last trip to Med was exactly one year ago. Zandaly girls were not so cute anymore, New Life girls, well I just had a beer for presentation and left, Nueva Avenida some girls cute but in minority. For fb: I was quoted in US dollars and dates were very hard to set up. Girls on fb now having travel photos from Paris and one I know moved to Spain. However, maybe fb might still work but it's not easy, maybe others are having more luck. For me Medellin lost it's charm. Thanks to You Tube and Covid war our Hobby has become hustle. It's not what it was 4-5 years ago before gringo tsunami.
I'll try Bogota few more times or maybe I'll just find new hobby.
Just my 5 cents.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2850524]And the same flawed analysis I have been refuting here for many years. There's a target on your back in Medellin and Rio in a way that there's not in the states as well as many other parts of the world. The gang slaying stats in New Orleans are irrelevant to this discussion and the purpose of this forum. They know who you are so watch it gents. The moment you think you can't get got you are one step closer to getting got.[/QUOTE]That is totally right. Like you said with New Orleans, the same is true in Juarez / El Paso. Juarez is the 3rd most dangerous city in the world whereas El Paso, being right across the border, is the 3rd safest big city in America. [URL]https://kisselpaso.com/el-paso-once-again-makes-the-top-of-the-safest-large-us-city-list/[/URL].
The reason is the drug cartels doing the shooting keep their shit on their side of the border. The tourists are not targeted. They may be collateral damage, but the cartels are paid protection money by businesses in Juarez and they do not want American tourists to quit coming.
In Rio, two of the three guys in my group were mugged. In the tourist area, the cops did not give a shit. The other mugging was in the center of town where it is more locals, and the police response was robust.
Tourists are fair game in Medellin and Rio.
I have been finding a bunch of pretty 18 year old girls recently on Facebook. They always seem eager to meet with me. They always tell me that they have problems finding gringo clients on Facebook. Part of it may be that they are too inexperienced to figure out how to hook gringo clients. It does seem strange to me because they are young, attractive and provide a solid performance in bed at a reasonable price. For guys complaining about the experienced pros at the Mansion or Park Lleras, this may be the way to go.
If anyone is currently in Medellin or will be in Medellin within the week. Send me a message and I might be able to connect you with a young pretty 18 year old girl who needs cash right away. I have never been with her but she is a friend of a 18 year old girl that I saw in my last trip and I will see her on my next trip.
No, I am not a pimp.
No, I do not make any money from this transaction.
Just trying to help out young attractive girls in Medellin. Like Mother Teresa. Ja ja ja.
Her friend told her if she's coming to see me, to run my pockets LOL.
Wants me to fly her from Bogota to Medellin.
We've been speaking for weeks and she never mentioned any money.
Wow, this is downright depressing.
[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2850527]My last trip to Med was exactly one year ago. Zandaly girls were not so cute anymore, New Life girls, well I just had a beer for presentation and left, Nueva Avenida some girls cute but in minority. For fb: I was quoted in US dollars and dates were very hard to set up. Girls on fb now having travel photos from Paris and one I know moved to Spain. However, maybe fb might still work but it's not easy, maybe others are having more luck. For me Medellin lost it's charm. Thanks to You Tube and Covid war our Hobby has become hustle. It's not what it was 4-5 years ago before gringo tsunami.
I'll try Bogota few more times or maybe I'll just find new hobby.
Just my 5 cents.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2849771]Here are 2 reasons to go to Colombia over Brazil.
1. At least for me, flights are much cheaper and shorter to Colombia.
2. Spanish is a useful language in almost every country in Central and South America and the Caribbean, as well as Spain.
I've been told by people who I trust that Brazil is much better, but when the quality in the clubs and the scoping incidents generally don't concern me, and when I have excellent reasons to return to Colombia, it's not an easy sell.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to sell Brazil by any means. But, all these things mentioned are actually positives and help to prevent Brazil from taking the kind of dive that places like Sosua and Cartagena have taken. The only obstacle for Rio was the cleanup that occurred around the Olympics when Help was closed. Any other barriers like Portuguese actually help those willing to put in the work. The critical mass will wind up in Colombia / Sosua because it's easier and cheaper. Easy will always attract more pants sagging.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2850802]I'm not trying to sell Brazil by any means. But, all these things mentioned are actually positives and help to prevent Brazil from taking the kind of dive that places like Sosua and Cartagena have taken. The only obstacle for Rio was the cleanup that occurred around the Olympics when Help was closed. Any other barriers like Portuguese actually help those willing to put in the work. The critical mass will wind up in Colombia / Sosua because it's easier and cheaper. Easy will always attract more pants sagging.[/QUOTE]Sadest day when Help Closed. That is what prob made me switch to going to CO. I really can't explain the vibe. It's like a nightclub feel and everyone is having fun and the hotest girl ever will go home with you. It really was like the nightclub fantasy with guarenteed hot fucking. I swear the olypmics was the worst thing to happen to Brazil. And look at the place that ocupies the former help, that musuem thing never really worked out with all the money they lined up and spent. Help was soo HUGE!! A warehouse of hot brazillian working girls!
Oh well, glad I got to enjoy it.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2850762]Her friend told her if she's coming to see me, to run my pockets LOL.
Wants me to fly her from Bogota to Medellin.
We've been speaking for weeks and she never mentioned any money.[/QUOTE]Why overpay and import a 3 when you can take a taxi for a 9 at a quater the price. Hard pass!
[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2850527]My last trip to Med was exactly one year ago. Zandaly girls were not so cute anymore, New Life girls, well I just had a beer for presentation and left, Nueva Avenida some girls cute but in minority. For fb: I was quoted in US dollars and dates were very hard to set up. Girls on fb now having travel photos from Paris and one I know moved to Spain. However, maybe fb might still work but it's not easy, maybe others are having more luck. For me Medellin lost it's charm. Thanks to You Tube and Covid war our Hobby has become hustle. It's not what it was 4-5 years ago before gringo tsunami.
I'll try Bogota few more times or maybe I'll just find new hobby.
Just my 5 cents.[/QUOTE]All the gems are on Seeking, but yes I agree tooo many people making tiktoks about it is making it a bit too popular. I had that, I went away for a couple years and came back and was refreshed with new talent.
[QUOTE=BlueChange;2850853]All the gems are on Seeking, but yes I agree tooo many people making tiktoks about it is making it a bit too popular. I had that, I went away for a couple years and came back and was refreshed with new talent.[/QUOTE]Even the seeking girls are mostly tinder, fb, and lleras girls. It's a thing now with all the pros. Just another platform for the 2-300 k girls now to get free dinners and act like they're unique. While I was browsing seeking it was crazy how many of these girls I already fucked for 2-300 k pesos now asking for 2-300 usd.
Medellin was going this way for a while now. I do believe it'll eventually die down with all the druggings and gringos realizing they're getting played.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2850707]I have been finding a bunch of pretty 18 year old girls recently on Facebook. They always seem eager to meet with me. They always tell me that they have problems finding gringo clients on Facebook. Part of it may be that they are too inexperienced to figure out how to hook gringo clients. It does seem strange to me because they are young, attractive and provide a solid performance in bed at a reasonable price. For guys complaining about the experienced pros at the Mansion or Park Lleras, this may be the way to go.
If anyone is currently in Medellin or will be in Medellin within the week. Send me a message and I might be able to connect you with a young pretty 18 year old girl who needs cash right away. I have never been with her but she is a friend of a 18 year old girl that I saw in my last trip and I will see her on my next trip.
No, I am not a pimp.
No, I do not make any money from this transaction.
Just trying to help out young attractive girls in Medellin. Like Mother Teresa. Ja ja ja.[/QUOTE]Definitely need this. I've been actually slowly building my Facebook list. The thing that I noticed in fb are most of the profiles are either fake profiles with photos of pretty girls. Some girls there only sell content and have no plans on meeting up. Some girls just don't reply when you messaged them.
[QUOTE=BlueChange;2850852]Why overpay and import a 3 when you can take a taxi for a 9 at a quater the price. Hard pass![/QUOTE]Yea I was too eager wasn't thinking LOL I never been to Colombia so just started pinging girls see who wanted to meet, also because of all the warnings about getting drugged from Medellin girls. She agreed but the more I look at her pics I'm like why did I do this, ticket is non refundable so I might be stuck. She also tried to raise the price on me to 400 saying that's what she usually gets.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2850782]Wow, this is downright depressing.[/QUOTE]There has been a lot of negative comments about the girls in the casas and the girls in the nightclubs. Too professional, rushed, overcharging, business like, average looks, and so on.
I have been to Medellin five times now and so far I have not seen a girl in a casa or in a nightclub or in the streets. I have just been focusing on Facebook and I think the girls I have been meeting so far have been great. Young, attractive, semi-pros who do it from time to time, solid performance, reasonable prices. If you make the effort, it can be a great experience. At the same time, I've had two older friends ask me about how to get started on FB, and they can't figure it out so it is not for everyone.
I have wiped my Facebook account of all true friends because I don't really use it so my FB account is now solely used for mongering purposes. If you can get started with a small group of young attractive girls, then FB will start recommending more young attractive girls in Medellin to you and that is how you grow your base. People have asked how do you get started? The answer is there is a website where guys post about FB girls and give reviews and comments. I am not sure I can give it out but if you don't know, just send me a private message. You can definitely get at least 100 girls from that website and go from there.
Seeking is similar to Facebook and you can get similar results. I don't use it because it is expensive and I can get the same results from FB. But if you want to meet girls online, Seeking is much easier because you can select from a large numbers of girls in Medellin and on Seeking, there is already an understanding that the girl expects money from you. It was meant as a sugar daddy website but it works just as well for finding pay for play girls for an hour or two.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2850913]Yea I was too eager wasn't thinking LOL I never been to Colombia so just started pinging girls see who wanted to meet, also because of all the warnings about getting drugged from Medellin girls. She agreed but the more I look at her pics I'm like why did I do this, ticket is non refundable so I might be stuck. She also tried to raise the price on me to 400 saying that's what she usually gets.[/QUOTE]Hold on, you're importing a hooker that you've never met in person from another city? What a waste of time and money and you'd be most likely disappointed (if she even shows up). There must be literary 1000's of WG girls in establishments in Medellin that you can see in person first, girls will not scope you there, so if you're worried you could go to casas and clubs, majority of girls there will provide good service. Damn, you could just go to the most expensive club La Isla and find much hotter girl in there and it'd be around the same price probably. Well, good luck.
P.S. They do scope plenty in Bogota.
[QUOTE=BlueChange;2850850]Sadest day when Help Closed. That is what prob made me switch to going to CO. I really can't explain the vibe. It's like a nightclub feel and everyone is having fun and the hotest girl ever will go home with you. It really was like the nightclub fantasy with guarenteed hot fucking. I swear the olypmics was the worst thing to happen to Brazil. And look at the place that ocupies the former help, that musuem thing never really worked out with all the money they lined up and spent. Help was soo HUGE!! A warehouse of hot brazillian working girls!
Oh well, glad I got to enjoy it.[/QUOTE]The great thing about Help was that it attracted Brazilians from all over the country to Rio to make money with p4 p so you always had the baddest women in the country in Rio for that purpose. Rio is still great, but you don't have that influx year round anymore.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2850934]
I have been to Medellin five times now and so far I have not seen a girl in a casa or in a nightclub or in the streets. I have just been focusing on Facebook and I think the girls I have been meeting so far have been great. Young, attractive, semi-pros who do it from time to time, solid performance, reasonable prices. [/QUOTE]I guess the difference would be that dudes were getting attractive women and good service at casas for 40-50 mil at one time.
If your new and don't know where to go this is a good place to get started:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4002-Medellin-Map-and-List[/URL]
For some reason I can no longer access the map but the list still works and people are talking about new locations manually in the forum. Guess the admin of the map stopped?
I'm starting to see a couple different girls at the casas. I haven't seen an 8, 9 or 10 yet on this trip but I'll explore a bit and report back.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2850707] They always tell me that they have problems finding gringo clients on Facebook. Part of it may be that they are too inexperienced to figure out how to hook gringo clients. It does seem strange to me because they are young, attractive and provide a solid performance in bed at a reasonable price. For guys complaining about the experienced pros at the Mansion or Park Lleras, this may be the way to go.[/QUOTE]Possible reasons, they might not be as pretty as you think plus it's a big city, 18 yos are dime a dozen and there are only so many gringos. Plus not sure what the obsession with the 18 number. Looks and service is more important IMO.
Funny she mentions problems with finding gringos, locals do not care about that number, and they usually go through them starting at around 13 (it is what it is).
Also, if she's doesn't have some tits and ass on her most Colombians aren't that interested. I know many gringo-servicing FB girls first and second hand and funny how majority of them are rather flat chested. It's good the gringos are here otherwise these girls have trouble with their local client base. Sin tetas no hay paradiso.
[QUOTE=Plan77;2850101]I am yet to break my centro cherry.
Can someone please recommend some clean, safe short term motels very close to Veracruz church? The area is very busy so I don't want to go across three four streets, hence need something as close to church as possible.
Thank you, in advance, for any pointers.[/QUOTE]My first experience with Veracruz church was I saw a bunch of girls near the church at night. I start walking closer and when I got within half a block I noticed they were dudes dressed up as girls. I then started to cross the street and one of them ran at me and grabbed my balls and wouldn't let go. I tried to smack it's hand off but wouldn't let go. There was a police officer close by, I was about to yell for them but they let go right before I called out. I couldn't monger for like a day and a half.
Careful out there, be ready dash out of there if they run at you. If you do find out, check for an adams apple first. You don't want a surprise popping up.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2850969]I guess the difference would be that dudes were getting attractive women and good service at casas for 40-50 mil at one time.[/QUOTE]I don't know if that is true. Everyone has their own perception of beauty so just because someone says there were attractive girls didn't mean that there were attractive girls per your own standards. Now, good service is more objective so if guys were happy with the service, I am more inclined to believe it. Guys saying they are meeting 8's and 9's really doesn't mean much without pictures and there is no standard as to what is an 8 or 9 or 10. I do know this. On the escort review website for the USA that is well known, guys give ratings on the girl's looks, and many times I am shocked at ratings of 8 or above when I see the girl in person who sometimes is a 6 in my opinion. But the majority of guys were rating her as 8 or above.
But casa girls are high volume and you might be going right after another guy especially if she is actually attractive.
[QUOTE=Lou32;2848797]If it is true that chicas are banding together to pressure other chicas not to accept lower than 300 k AND chicas are agreeing to that then what is the point of the Mansion other than to collect contacts so that you can call her in to your apartment at YOUR rate some other day or night?
I don't understand.[/QUOTE]For me the Mansion is about the location. Nice area, central to everything, I walk almost everyday to Park Lleras for dinner and recon. The bar at the Mansion is hit and miss. But mostly a hit with new girls. It's well known as a place to come and make a little extra cash for these girls and they often bring non-pro friends. A lot of the new girls might never come back for a month or two so getting contacts is what I do. I think the 300 K COP will work itself out cause I've had plenty of regulars happy with 250 K. But the Mansion also offers some of its regulars a bit of a private club feel. Everyone knows each other and often meet up for dinner. In fact a few weeks ago several of the guys just organized a Brazil trip last minute and left together. I have stayed at other places but sometimes I miss the social aspect of the M.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2850870]Definitely need this. I've been actually slowly building my Facebook list. The thing that I noticed in fb are most of the profiles are either fake profiles with photos of pretty girls. Some girls there only sell content and have no plans on meeting up. Some girls just don't reply when you messaged them.[/QUOTE]You need to keep scrolling girls and msg them. Most will reply and some might not as these girls travel a lot. Msg me I can share some FB girls with you.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2850865]Even the seeking girls are mostly tinder, fb, and lleras girls. It's a thing now with all the pros. Just another platform for the 2-300 k girls now to get free dinners and act like they're unique. While I was browsing seeking it was crazy how many of these girls I already fucked for 2-300 k pesos now asking for 2-300 usd.
Medellin was going this way for a while now. I do believe it'll eventually die down with all the druggings and gringos realizing they're getting played.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Seeking in Medellin is trash right now, there are no gems to be found. Just a bunch of pros. And fb girls are extremely flaky. No show is the norm, even with repeat girls. Time to move to a different city or country, mde is done. Love the city though (.
I think different casas have different rules.
For Dulce, even a few minutes before opening, most if not all the girls are there.
For New Life, I think it opens at like 9 am or something and the girls don't really show up till 11 am. I saw a guy just leave telling me there were only 2 girls there as I entered around 10:15. When I got the line up, tons of girls started showing up. After I ordered, better girls started to show up. When I left, a ton of guys were already waiting. I think there's a sweet spot in times to show up here. I'll try out a bunch and report back.
It's a little hard to tell which girls will have a banging body and which won't during the line ups. I'm starting to see some girls offer more off the menu for tips but I'm hesitant. I don't want to inflate the prices for everyone doing kinda dumb stuff. I stick to casas because my ability to negotiate is pretty bad and I would 100% spoil it for everyone.
Ordering from places where girls post their own photos has been a real miss for me.
Many years ago in Tijuana I got super catfished. She must have used a photo from 10 years ago and brought a "friend" who was so fat, she was more wide than tall. She was so fat, it was impossible to penetrate her. She was so far when she walked, she caused mini earth quakes. Worst part was, after they entered my room, they wouldn't leave until they got some money even though there was no service.
A few years ago In Medellin, I hit up facebook and got a girl for like 200 bucks. Her face was nice but when she undressed, it was like she had just given birth. Stretch marks and saggy skin all over the place. It was also only for like 30 minutes. After a pop she left.
So far, the casas and the street girls are better for me since I can at least tell if a girl is somewhat attractive before I make the rent. Plus their prices are reasonable, if I had to pay 200-300 usd per pop, I'd go broke super quick.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2851011]Totally agree. Seeking in Medellin is trash right now, there are no gems to be found. Just a bunch of pros. And fb girls are extremely flaky. No show is the norm, even with repeat girls. Time to move to a different city or country, mde is done. Love the city though (.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree on a number of points. Medellin is not trash yet. I don't use Seeking so I have no comment on that. There are gems in the city but you just need to take the time to look for them. If you go to the obvious places, of course, the girls will be experienced pros. FB girls can be flaky but no show is not the norm. Usually on every trip, I have one or two girls who do not respond on the day of the appointment and I give them a deadline to get back to me, and then I schedule another girl. Always have a backup plan. I agree with you on this point, I love the city.
[QUOTE=BlueChange;2850853]All the gems are on Seeking, but yes I agree tooo many people making tiktoks about it is making it a bit too popular. I had that, I went away for a couple years and came back and was refreshed with new talent.[/QUOTE]I scrolled through those gems and I saw there one my fb "friends" who was later on mileroticos and one fb girl who made porno.
Other girls on SA are probably less pro or no pro at all.
Who am I kidding?
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2850044]This is absolutely true Combo. Brazil is not safe by any means and maybe even more dangerous than Colombia in terms of homicides and violent crimes. I have been going there for 15 years and my long term girlfriend was from there. I know several Brazilians and they are scared in Rio at night and in Sao Paolo and warn to stay vigilant. Just google Good Night Cinderella drug in Brazil and you will see stories of sex workers who drug guys, rob them, and there have been deaths as well. Also, muggings at knife or gun point will occur (happened to her twice). My friend had his cell phone pick pocketed the first time he went with me. Many cities in Brazil make the worlds top dangerous cities list every year along with Mexico and the justice system is so broken, bankrupt that criminals know they will get out of violent crime soon if they pay a fine. Please stop giving false hopes to others Tijuana Brazil.
Also gents, please see the links below. Medellin did not even make it in the top 50 most dangerous cities in the world, Cali Colombia made it to number 24. You will see more cities in the USA, and Brazil that made the list and of course Mexican cities by far outnumber the rest.
https://www.worldatlas.com/cities/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html#h_32854079534951638029315518
https://theboutiqueadventurer.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world/[/QUOTE]I want this to stay dangerous. All the spirit air / tijuana weekend monger types can get scared and stay out.
But I wouldn't mind investigating the prices and clinics.
Does anyone know a top notch clinic for lasik in MDE?
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2850995]Guys saying they are meeting 8's and 9's really doesn't mean much without pictures
[/QUOTE]I never said anything about 8 or 9's. I said "attractive. " I would say you used to definitely be able to go into a casa and find girls as attractive as Lleras and FB. As others has stated, many of the girls that were in casas and El Centro have migrated to Lleras and FB because they can make more $$. Others start out in Lleras now instead of a casa or El Centro because times have changed and some places closed after c19 and the word got out about gringos paying 5 times more in Lleras and on FB. People adapt. I was just noting that things have changed for various reasons regarding the casas.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2851087]I never said anything about 8 or 9's. I said "attractive. " I would say you used to definitely be able to go into a casa and find girls as attractive as Lleras and FB. As others has stated, many of the girls that were in casas and El Centro have migrated to Lleras and FB because they can make more $$. Others start out in Lleras now instead of a casa or El Centro because times have changed and some places closed after c19 and the word got out about gringos paying 5 times more in Lleras and on FB. People adapt. I was just noting that things have changed for various reasons regarding the casas.[/QUOTE]I just want to chime in here and say that I'm in Bogota and I've met multiple girls all 7. 5 plus (I tend you skew towards a lower rating) That say they don't work in Medellin and that they only go to Bogota for a 1 or 2 weeks to work. I've heard that a lot of girls moved to other countries. Like Panama, Mexico, Spain, some in Dominican Republic. Girl go where the money is. Who ever is willing to pay more consistently.
Also this girl insta: ktz__20 used to be a Facebook girl 6 6. 5 in my book. I'm not sure if she's still working but it looks like she's out of the country maybe France. Sugar daddy?
Remember these girls didn't just die. For some reason they are off the market or or the market moved.
[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2851087]I never said anything about 8 or 9's. I said "attractive. " I would say you used to definitely be able to go into a casa and find girls as attractive as Lleras and FB. As others has stated, many of the girls that were in casas and El Centro have migrated to Lleras and FB because they can make more $$. Others start out in Lleras now instead of a casa or El Centro because times have changed and some places closed after c19 and the word got out about gringos paying 5 times more in Lleras and on FB. People adapt. I was just noting that things have changed for various reasons regarding the casas.[/QUOTE]I will defer to your experience in Medellin since I have only been going for the past year and have no knowledge of the way it was. If you found young attractive girls providing solid performance for 40 to 50 mil in casa in the past, that is amazing, I would agree.
It would make sense why the good ones would gravitate now to Lleras and FB to make much more money.
It reminds me of the older guys talking about the golden days in Thailand or the Philippines. That is something I have knowledge about, going back to the 80's, and it is true.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2851097]I just want to chime in here and say that I'm in Bogota and I've met multiple girls all 7. 5 plus (I tend you skew towards a lower rating) That say they don't work in Medellin and that they only go to Bogota for a 1 or 2 weeks to work. I've heard that a lot of girls moved to other countries. Like Panama, Mexico, Spain, some in Dominican Republic. Girl go where the money is. Who ever is willing to pay more consistently.
Also this girl insta: ktz__20 used to be a Facebook girl 6 6. 5 in my book. I'm not sure if she's still working but it looks like she's out of the country maybe France. Sugar daddy?
Remember these girls didn't just die. For some reason they are off the market or or the market moved.[/QUOTE]Another thing these chicks do is go to Europe once and take like 29329033 photos then they post it for like a year in their stories and go on tinder in the location to lure the guys to bring them back.
The market has changed and girl who is 9 or above is going to know the moment she post on IG. However, there are still dimes out there that for one reason or another just stay and you can bone. Maybe they are lazy, too much drugs, or just don't see big picure and rather hang with their cats.
Yeah that one I think I see her before.
Would love that Facebook girl review group, thanks!
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2850934]There has been a lot of negative comments about the girls in the casas and the girls in the nightclubs. Too professional, rushed, overcharging, business like, average looks, and so on.
I have been to Medellin five times now and so far I have not seen a girl in a casa or in a nightclub or in the streets. I have just been focusing on Facebook and I think the girls I have been meeting so far have been great. Young, attractive, semi-pros who do it from time to time, solid performance, reasonable prices. If you make the effort, it can be a great experience. At the same time, I've had two older friends ask me about how to get started on FB, and they can't figure it out so it is not for everyone.
I have wiped my Facebook account of all true friends because I don't really use it so my FB account is now solely used for mongering purposes. If you can get started with a small group of young attractive girls, then FB will start recommending more young attractive girls in Medellin to you and that is how you grow your base. People have asked how do you get started? The answer is there is a website where guys post about FB girls and give reviews and comments. I am not sure I can give it out but if you don't know, just send me a private message. You can definitely get at least 100 girls from that website and go from there.
Seeking is similar to Facebook and you can get similar results. I don't use it because it is expensive and I can get the same results from FB. But if you want to meet girls online, Seeking is much easier because you can select from a large numbers of girls in Medellin and on Seeking, there is already an understanding that the girl expects money from you. It was meant as a sugar daddy website but it works just as well for finding pay for play girls for an hour or two.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2851097]I just want to chime in here and say that I'm in Bogota and I've met multiple girls all 7. 5 plus (I tend you skew towards a lower rating) That say they don't work in Medellin and that they only go to Bogota for a 1 or 2 weeks to work. I've heard that a lot of girls moved to other countries. Like Panama, Mexico, Spain, some in Dominican Republic. Girl go where the money is. Who ever is willing to pay more consistently.
Also this girl insta: ktz__20 used to be a Facebook girl 6 6. 5 in my book. I'm not sure if she's still working but it looks like she's out of the country maybe France. Sugar daddy?
Remember these girls didn't just die. For some reason they are off the market or or the market moved.[/QUOTE]I've been with ktz20 6 or 7 times in the last 2 years, I think she is beautiful, higher than a 6. 5 but just my opinion. She has a place in Bello but does some traveling when a client foots the bill. She has made multiple trips around the Carribean with johns but luckily for me has always been in mde & available when I have visited.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2851097]I just want to chime in here and say that I'm in Bogota and I've met multiple girls all 7. 5 plus (I tend you skew towards a lower rating) That say they don't work in Medellin and that they only go to Bogota for a 1 or 2 weeks to work. I've heard that a lot of girls moved to other countries. Like Panama, Mexico, Spain, some in Dominican Republic. Girl go where the money is. Who ever is willing to pay more consistently.
Also this girl insta: ktz__20 used to be a Facebook girl 6 6. 5 in my book. I'm not sure if she's still working but it looks like she's out of the country maybe France. Sugar daddy?
Remember these girls didn't just die. For some reason they are off the market or or the market moved.[/QUOTE]Yep, there is a ton of Colombian Chicks in CDMX and yes, there is a bunch in MDE. The Mexican Dudes, love fake and big asses. I just laugh when I see them and instant block when they contact me. For the most part they are very demanding, most refuse to speak English and are way more expensive than the Mexican Babes. Sorry.
To the dude who's balls the tranny grabbed.
You were manhandled my friend. Jajaja. But all kidding aside what the heck were you doing at plaza botero and the iglesia at night? Sunset means it's a no go zone.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2850762]Her friend told her if she's coming to see me, to run my pockets LOL.
Wants me to fly her from Bogota to Medellin.
We've been speaking for weeks and she never mentioned any money.[/QUOTE]This is almost certain to end with a big disappointment for you my friend. Simple rule of thumb anytime a chica quotes you in Dollars, run Forrest run! The service will be poor, she will try to keep extracting $ from you and it will get awkward and that works to her advantage as you go limp and get turned off. She will get her trip her $250 or $400 and her IG pics from wherever she makes you take her in MDE. And you return home holding your dick and hopefully wiser even if your pockets are a $1 k lighter.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2850972]My first experience with Veracruz church was I saw a bunch of girls near the church at night. I start walking closer and when I got within half a block I noticed they were dudes dressed up as girls. I then started to cross the street and one of them ran at me and grabbed my balls and wouldn't let go. I tried to smack it's hand off but wouldn't let go. There was a police officer close by, I was about to yell for them but they let go right before I called out. I couldn't monger for like a day and a half.....[/QUOTE]Be careful out there. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNdy8_I7BoE[/URL].
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2851152]But all kidding aside what the heck were you doing at plaza botero and the iglesia at night? Sunset means it's a no go zone.[/QUOTE]Who told you that? Most of the time I go there is at night.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2850707]I have been finding a bunch of pretty 18 year old girls recently on Facebook. They always seem eager to meet with me. They always tell me that they have problems finding gringo clients on Facebook. Part of it may be that they are too inexperienced to figure out how to hook gringo clients. It does seem strange to me because they are young, attractive and provide a solid performance in bed at a reasonable price. For guys complaining about the experienced pros at the Mansion or Park Lleras, this may be the way to go.
If anyone is currently in Medellin or will be in Medellin within the week. Send me a message and I might be able to connect you with a young pretty 18 year old girl who needs cash right away. I have never been with her but she is a friend of a 18 year old girl that I saw in my last trip and I will see her on my next trip.
No, I am not a pimp.
No, I do not make any money from this transaction.
Just trying to help out young attractive girls in Medellin. Like Mother Teresa. Ja ja ja.[/QUOTE]Very odd description. How does one find girls randomly on Facebook? Are there Facebook groups or channels where girls advertise or how do you go about it?
I appreciate the info but its like saying: "Go to Medellin, there are a lot of 18 year old girls. " not super helpful.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2851225]Very odd description. How does one find girls randomly on Facebook? Are there Facebook groups or channels where girls advertise or how do you go about it?
I appreciate the info but its like saying: "Go to Medellin, there are a lot of 18 year old girls. " not super helpful.[/QUOTE]With respect. If you did a search you would find that the topic of "How To FaceBook" has been discussed many times and there is a complete guide in the 'Links to Reports of Distinction' section. Go to the Colombia forum and scan down to find it.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2851225]Very odd description. How does one find girls randomly on Facebook? Are there Facebook groups or channels where girls advertise or how do you go about it?
I appreciate the info but its like saying: "Go to Medellin, there are a lot of 18 year old girls. " not super helpful.[/QUOTE]You now know about it, right? I would say he already helped and he is one of the more generous posters that share. You can go to Report of Distinction thread to find how to more easily.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2851225]How does one find girls randomly on Facebook? Are there Facebook groups or channels where girls advertise or how do you go about it?
[/QUOTE]You don't find them randomly. You friend a guy or a guy with connections, then you review their friends and you can assume they are working girls by association.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2850972]I saw a bunch of girls near the church at night. I start walking closer and when I got within half a block I noticed they were dudes dressed up as girls.[/QUOTE]That's incredible. I been going there several years I have never seen a guy dressed up as a woman, not even during fiestas. Colombians don't seem to do that type of thing. Maybe its a Western fetish.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2851097]I've heard that a lot of girls moved to other countries. Like Panama, Mexico, Spain, some in Dominican Republic. Girl go where the money is. Who ever is willing to pay more consistently.
Remember these girls didn't just die. For some reason they are off the market or or the market moved.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, these girls are human beings too. They have ambitions, desires. They are not going to wait for the same clients for 20 years if smthg better comes along. I believe that girls moving to different cities and countries is very normal and part of the regular life cysle of a working girl. But there are thousands of new ones coming on the market so no need to panic. Just find some new ones.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2851225]Very odd description. How does one find girls randomly on Facebook? Are there Facebook groups or channels where girls advertise or how do you go about it?
I appreciate the info but its like saying: "Go to Medellin, there are a lot of 18 year old girls. " not super helpful.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2016-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=2610518&viewfull=1#post2610518.[/URL]
Careful riding the Metro during the busy hours. When the Metro doors open it's like a football team trying to get on the subway. During this rush I had 4 guys bouncing off of me and my cell phone mysteriously disappeared from my front pocket.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2851152]To the dude who's balls the tranny grabbed.
You were manhandled my friend. Jajaja. But all kidding aside what the heck were you doing at plaza botero and the iglesia at night? Sunset means it's a no go zone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JustTK;2851237]That's incredible. I been going there several years I have never seen a guy dressed up as a woman, not even during fiestas. Colombians don't seem to do that type of thing. Maybe its a Western fetish.[/QUOTE]Prior to the Pandemic, it was just as the poster described and had always been that way, especially at the corner of the Church courtyard along the walkway where the wall separates the courtyard along the building corner.
Or, you have to be kidding! LOL.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2851234]You don't find them randomly. You friend a guy or a guy with connections, then you review their friends and you can assume they are working girls by association.[/QUOTE]A1990, see below, find her followers on Facebook and add them. The issue with posting link like this is the potential of many people doing it the same time and that will diminish your return. In my opinion, she looks better than most Facebook girls.
[QUOTE=]...Also this girl insta: ktz__20 used to be a Facebook girl 6 6. 5 in my book. ...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2851225]Very odd description. How does one find girls randomly on Facebook? Are there Facebook groups or channels where girls advertise or how do you go about it?
I appreciate the info but its like saying: "Go to Medellin, there are a lot of 18 year old girls. " not super helpful.[/QUOTE]Last year, before I ever visited Medellin, I had the same questions. How do you find young attractive girls in Medellin who would like to meet older mongers to make some money on Facebook?
I was never a big Facebook user. So, I just started trying to figure it out. First I read everything I could read on this website about using Facebook to find girls. Not just 10 pages back. I probably went back a few hundred pages. And then I read everything I could on a website dedicated to Pattaya on topics related to Medellin. There were sections devoted to mongering in other countries and a handful of trip reports about Medellin. After doing that, I did find a handful of names of FB girls in Medellin and asked to be their friend. Most said yes, and then I looked through their friends and started asking to be their friend. I also looked at their gringo friends and if the friends list is open, I would steal those girls too. Once they became my friends, I searched through their friends list and then made request to be friends with the pretty ones. And then my friends list really started to take off.
There are also other techniques. The shortcut now is that website where guys review FB girls in Medellin. Another way is friends of popular Medellin nightclubs in Park LLeras. Go to their FB pages and steal those girls. There are so many techniques but you just have to be creative.
That was five months before my first trip. So basically I spent five months working diligently on building up a good list of young attractive women in Medellin.
I didn't just ask someone hey how do you find girls on Facebook. I just starting doing it after spending some time thinking about how to do it. And I am an old guy.
Now, this is what I do. I just go through the recommended friends list and make maybe 1 to 2 friend requests a week. My friends list is all young attractive women from Medellin so Facebook is only recommending young attractive women from Medellin to me. Here and there, they recommend a guy and I delete.
Now I am more picky and have been deleting friends, girls who no longer make the cut. The standard to be my FB friend now is that it has be a girl that I would actually want to meet. There is also the issue of having too many friends and then you start overlooking great girls. Need to trim the weeds from time to time to get rid of the deadwood.
But when you are first starting out, the standard should be any doable girl in Medellin who is not unattractive or too old in order to build up your list.
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2851084]But I wouldn't mind investigating the prices and clinics.
Does anyone know a top notch clinic for lasik in MDE?[/QUOTE]I know there have been some reports of guys having Lasik done here successfully, however I would be very nervous having something like that done here, especially if something goes wrong which of course could happen in the States. I'm not saying you can't have a favorable outcome, but you are dealing with your eyes and if money is not an issue which a lot of times is the driver for guys getting things taken care of here, I would get it done in the States, and I know a lot of guys may think that is ridiculous but again it's your eyesight your dealing with and if something comes up it could be awkward with the language being one of the issues. I'm not dishing the medical system in Colombia, it's actually very good with some very competent Doctor's, but for something involving your eyes versus something else I would think twice about this.
Just my opinion.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2851271]Last year, before I ever visited Medellin, I had the same questions. How do you find young attractive girls in Medellin who would like to meet older mongers to make some money on Facebook?
I was never a big Facebook user. So, I just started trying to figure it out. First I read everything I could read on this website about using Facebook to find girls. Not just 10 pages back. I probably went back a few hundred pages. And then I read everything I could on a website dedicated to Pattaya on topics related to Medellin. There were sections devoted to mongering in other countries and a handful of trip reports about Medellin. After doing that, I did find a handful of names of FB girls in Medellin and asked to be their friend. Most said yes, and then I looked through their friends and started asking to be their friend. I also looked at their gringo friends and if the friends list is open, I would steal those girls too. Once they became my friends, I searched through their friends list and then made request to be friends with the pretty ones. And then my friends list really started to take off.
There are also other techniques. The shortcut now is that website where guys review FB girls in Medellin. Another way is friends of popular Medellin nightclubs in Park LLeras. Go to their FB pages and steal those girls. There are so many techniques but you just have to be creative.
That was five months before my first trip. So basically I spent five months working diligently on building up a good list of young attractive women in Medellin.
I didn't just ask someone hey how do you find girls on Facebook. I just starting doing it after spending some time thinking about how to do it. And I am an old guy.
Now, this is what I do. I just go through the recommended friends list and make maybe 1 to 2 friend requests a week. My friends list is all young attractive women from Medellin so Facebook is only recommending young attractive women from Medellin to me. Here and there, they recommend a guy and I delete.
Now I am more picky and have been deleting friends, girls who no longer make the cut. The standard to be my FB friend now is that it has be a girl that I would actually want to meet. There is also the issue of having too many friends and then you start overlooking great girls. Need to trim the weeds from time to time to get rid of the deadwood.
But when you are first starting out, the standard should be any doable girl in Medellin who is not unattractive or too old in order to build up your list.[/QUOTE]Can you post a link to the website that rates the FB girls, that would be awesome? I have several from FB lined up for next trip and will post my reviews after. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851267]especially at the corner of the Church courtyard along the walkway where the wall separates the courtyard along the building corner.
Or, you have to be kidding! LOL.[/QUOTE]Not kidding at all. But am curious now, how do you tell them apart from the trans women?
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851274]I know there have been some reports of guys having Lasik done here successfully, however I would be very nervous having something like that done here, especially if something goes wrong which of course could happen in the States. I'm not saying you can't have a favorable outcome, but you are dealing with your eyes and if money is not an issue which a lot of times is the driver for guys getting things taken care of here, I would get it done in the States, and I know a lot of guys may think that is ridiculous but again it's your eyesight your dealing with and if something comes up it could be awkward with the language being one of the issues. I'm not dishing the medical system in Colombia, it's actually very good with some very competent Doctor's, but for something involving your eyes versus something else I would think twice about this.
Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]As a long term resident with decades of experience, I agree wih surfer.
Let me expound: many people from medellin have relatives in jail in the states.
And you don't know who is who or what is what.
You may go to a clinic where the nurse's dad brother or uncle is in jail in the states and this is her chance to fuck a gringo and she will do it.
Could be the nurse, could be the secretary, could be the doctor.
Could be anyone. You don't know.
Things like this happen every day in Colombia.
Colombia is a brutal, petty envious and jealous society and they do not like gringos at all (except for the money).
All the con mucho gusto, a la orden, plaisir servirte is bullshit.
And things have gotten real bad since the petro government took over.
Stick to enjoying anonymous stanky and when your 2 weeks 2 months or 2 years are up, use your return ticket.
But they are your dice. Roll them as you please.
Ask Osteoknot about this.
By the way, where is Osteoknot who was so enamored with Medellin he could not think straight?
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851274]I know there have been some reports of guys having Lasik done here successfully, however I would be very nervous having something like that done here, especially if something goes wrong which of course could happen in the States. I'm not saying you can't have a favorable outcome, but you are dealing with your eyes and if money is not an issue which a lot of times is the driver for guys getting things taken care of here, I would get it done in the States, and I know a lot of guys may think that is ridiculous but again it's your eyesight your dealing with and if something comes up it could be awkward with the language being one of the issues. I'm not dishing the medical system in Colombia, it's actually very good with some very competent Doctor's, but for something involving your eyes versus something else I would think twice about this.
Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I had lasik done in the states 25 years ago. Still 20/20. You have to be out of your mind to do lasik anywhere else but America. Read all the horror stories of bad lasik jobs in America, much less Colombia or Mexico. It's your eyes not a teeth cleaning.
Yes, that is a very good tip. Whenever you are in a crowded space you have to be extra vigilant of your valuables. I've been lucky by making myself extra sensitive to any touches near my pockets and ignoring anything else. The distraction bump is a classic pickpocket tactic. Another old and reliable tactic is an attractive woman brushing near or touching your groin area. It's male human nature to focus on that unless you are on guard for it. A final additional tip is if you use your phone on the metro watch out for thieves who will try to grab it and jump off the train just as the doors close.
[QUOTE=Mongo1;2851265]Careful riding the Metro during the busy hours. When the Metro doors open it's like a football team trying to get on the subway. During this rush I had 4 guys bouncing off of me and my cell phone mysteriously disappeared from my front pocket.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2851390]Yes, that is a very good tip. Whenever you are in a crowded space you have to be extra vigilant of your valuables. I've been lucky by making myself extra sensitive to any touches near my pockets and ignoring anything else. The distraction bump is a classic pickpocket tactic. Another old and reliable tactic is an attractive woman brushing near or touching your groin area. It's male human nature to focus on that unless you are on guard for it. A final additional tip is if you use your phone on the metro watch out for thieves who will try to grab it and jump off the train just as the doors close.[/QUOTE]Today I boarded the Metro in Poblado at around noon headed towards Centro and a bunch of tourists boarded the Metro besides me and two guys had their smart phones in their back pockets with about an inch of their phones sticking out. You talk about easy prey, it amazes me how naive some of the tourists are here.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2851390]Yes, that is a very good tip. Whenever you are in a crowded space you have to be extra vigilant of your valuables. I've been lucky by making myself extra sensitive to any touches near my pockets and ignoring anything else. The distraction bump is a classic pickpocket tactic. Another old and reliable tactic is an attractive woman brushing near or touching your groin area. It's male human nature to focus on that unless you are on guard for it. A final additional tip is if you use your phone on the metro watch out for thieves who will try to grab it and jump off the train just as the doors close.[/QUOTE]One thing I do is when I am walking in an area with a lot of people at night like Calle 10 is to keep my left hand in my pocket as I walk keeping a clutch on my money clip and just looking nonchalant.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2851158]This is almost certain to end with a big disappointment for you my friend. Simple rule of thumb anytime a chica quotes you in Dollars, run Forrest run! The service will be poor, she will try to keep extracting $ from you and it will get awkward and that works to her advantage as you go limp and get turned off. She will get her trip her $250 or $400 and her IG pics from wherever she makes you take her in MDE. And you return home holding your dick and hopefully wiser even if your pockets are a $1 k lighter.[/QUOTE]Yea I know, I told her I'm not giving her that, she said she still wants to see me, so she'll take $80.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2851325]As a long term resident with decades of experience, I agree wih surfer.
Let me expound: many people from medellin have relatives in jail in the states.
And you don't know who is who or what is what.
You may go to a clinic where the nurse's dad brother or uncle is in jail in the states and this is her chance to fuck a gringo and she will do it.
Could be the nurse, could be the secretary, could be the doctor.
Could be anyone. You don't know.
Things like this happen every day in Colombia.
Colombia is a brutal, petty envious and jealous society and they do not like gringos at all (except for the money).
All the con mucho gusto, a la orden, plaisir servirte is bullshit.
And things have gotten real bad since the petro government took over.
Stick to enjoying anonymous stanky and when your 2 weeks 2 months or 2 years are up, use your return ticket.
But they are your dice. Roll them as you please.
Ask Osteoknot about this.
By the way, where is Osteoknot who was so enamored with Medellin he could not think straight?[/QUOTE]Didn't we kill Pablo for them. Why do they hate us again. Is this hatred for Americans that seems to be worldwide a jealousy thing or is it the war mongering thing. If it's the war mongering, I understand but any other reason seems odd. Especially since we give billions of aid everywhere with money we have to borrow. LOL.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2851325]Let me expound: many people from medellin have relatives in jail in the states. And you don't know who is who or what is what. You may go to a clinic where the nurse's dad brother or uncle is in jail in the states and this is her chance to fuck a gringo and she will do it.[/QUOTE]LOL. WHAT? Some of you guys have some weird and far fetched imaginations. It is more so because in the USA you can sue if something goes wrong. In most other countries you are doing it at your own risk. Something goes wrong and too bad so sad. There is nobody in a doctor's office waiting to do harm to someone because their relative is in jail.
So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]If you want to see her you see her. If her having a kid turns you off you don't see her. Personally if she has a kid and she's hot enough I will see her everyday but I don't want to see the kid. Also aside from the fact that she would most likely have a bunch of bodies, let's ignore that, I wouldn't commit to a girl who has a kid. It's like picking up where someone left off.
I met this girl one time in Santo Domingo. Her pictures where so good she might've not been real. But after a bait and switch and persisting that wanted the right girl, she came to me at 7 am. It was the best sex of my life. She's exactly my type and I haven't met any one that looks better than her. Taller with nice books but skinny body and olive skin super pretty face. I had her every day for a week. Then the next year I had her every day at punta cana for week and we went to Cali together and I found out she had 2 kids from 2 different guys. I would never commit but she sure was hot.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2851437]Didn't we kill Pablo for them. Why do they hate us again.[/QUOTE]Who is we? The 2 DEA agents were in an interview recently and said it was all Colombian people that found him and killed him. They could not even carry weapons to kill him if they wanted to.
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2851415]One thing I do is when I am walking in an area with a lot of people at night like Calle 10 is to keep my left hand in my pocket as I walk keeping a clutch on my money clip and just looking nonchalant.[/QUOTE]A combo team with the hard bump technique will still work to grab your money due to the distraction and then quickly pass it off to another team member. Hand in her pocket tells thieves where your money is and which pocket to target. It is better not to put your money in your pockets. There are other places such as a money belt. But to each, his own.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]She looks like she's going to scopolamine your ass. My vote says no don't send a dime or buy any bus tickets!
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]Try simplify things to only date girls that can come in a taxi or Uber from her place within an hour.
Maybe someone can help you if you can describe what is unique about her that you can't find someone like her in Medellin.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]She looks very average.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2851617]Try simplify things to only date girls that can come in a taxi or Uber from her place within an hour.
Maybe someone can help you if you can describe what is unique about her that you can't find someone like her in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I never been to Medellin, was worried about the drugging thing and the gringos and hoodrats over taking the place, so I thought let me import something just in case.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]I had two Venezolas in Dominican Republic. One was 30. Super sexy MILF with 36 Double Dee tits on a great body. Loved to fuck and suck. The other was 21 and drop dead gorgeous even without makeup. Also very busty. I would give anything to see either of them again but alas they have disappeared. I will try the Venezolan casa in Santo Domingo in November tho. Salud.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]She is a H0 e. Don't do it unless that's what your looking for?
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]Why do you need validation from someone? It's your money, if you want to hit it that bad, you go get the job done. Always take precautions with random girls. I fucked a lot of single moms over my years of mongering in Colombia and only few of them were bad but mostly gave me a good run for my money. As long as the pussy is tight and doesn't smell that's all that matters LOL.
I read the question to be about safety. If that's what it is about my advice is to err on the side of caution and meet her in a hotel and leave your valuables at home.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2851712]Why do you need validation from someone? It's your money, if you want to hit it that bad, you go get the job done. Always take precautions with random girls. I fucked a lot of single moms over my years of mongering in Colombia and only few of them were bad but mostly gave me a good run for my money. As long as the pussy is tight and doesn't smell that's all that matters LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]You may not know this, but there are already women in Medellin. There's no need to fly them in from all over the country.
What's the current standard price in centro? Is it still 30 K + room? Raudal 50 + room?
Dear All.
I am planning a trip to Medellin for a month arriving mid-November before Thanksgiving.
I messaged seven Airbnb ask for day visitors and occasionally nighttime visitors.
One says no sex tourism. And one says I have to pay if the visitor stays after dawn.
The rests are cool with it. (One says the guest need to register at the door.).
So, is there any specific neighborhood to stay as long? It's good as long as not too far from Metro?
Thanks for the help.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2851712]Why do you need validation from someone? It's your money, if you want to hit it that bad, you go get the job done. Always take precautions with random girls. I fucked a lot of single moms over my years of mongering in Colombia and only few of them were bad but mostly gave me a good run for my money. As long as the pussy is tight and doesn't smell that's all that matters LOL.[/QUOTE]Not looking for validation, just more experienced guys to give me some feedback. It's my first time in Colombia, want to know if seeing a Venezuelan chick with a spider tat near her coochie was a good idea LOL I'll also be mingling on the streets, so willing to next her if need be.
[QUOTE=DCups;2851687]I had two Venezolas in Dominican Republic. One was 30. Super sexy MILF with 36 Double Dee tits on a great body. Loved to fuck and suck. The other was 21 and drop dead gorgeous even without makeup. Also very busty. I would give anything to see either of them again but alas they have disappeared. I will try the Venezolan casa in Santo Domingo in November tho. Salud.[/QUOTE]Damn I have two girls in Bogota ready for a threesome right now. I'm going to Paris after I leave Medellin though, so maybe another time LOL. Can you recommend where I can meet normal non pros in Medellin? I already see the airbnbs are strict on sex tourism, plus the other guys out there acting like they discovered heaven because they finally get attention from women. Also hearing they're sleeping with the underage girls as well.
I'm not sure what you or anyone else means by "normal" or "non pro" girls. If you are asking where to go to find women who will have sex with you in exchange for money, RTFF applies. Otherwise you could join book groups or attend church services.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851786]Damn I have two girls in Bogota ready for a threesome right now. I'm going to Paris after I leave Medellin though, so maybe another time LOL. Can you recommend where I can meet normal non pros in Medellin? I already see the airbnbs are strict on sex tourism, plus the other guys out there acting like they discovered heaven because they finally get attention from women. Also hearing they're sleeping with the underage girls as well.[/QUOTE]
More girls ask for 40 K + room these days. You can still get most for 30 K + room. The barrier fence still has most of the girls squeezed along the side and behind the church. I don't expect the fence to last past Christmas after the current mayor is gone.
[QUOTE=Queens35;2851753]What's the current standard price in centro? Is it still 30 K + room? Raudal 50 + room?[/QUOTE]
Going to Medellin for Halloween and I'm having a hard time finding guest friendly spots any plugs on them?
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Ldb321;2851891]Going to Medellin for Halloween and I'm having a hard time finding guest friendly spots any plugs on them?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I recommend starting with filtering for "self check in. " It's tedious work but there are normally plenty of options. Most won't say in the listing they are guest friendly. You also need to inbox the host, confirm guests are allowed and ask if there are additional fees. If there is a doorman or it's a hotel setup, some will try to charge an exorbitant fee for each guest. It's also good to make sure there is a safe either as an amenity in the listing or by asking in your message to the host.
[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2851776]Dear All.
I am planning a trip to Medellin for a month arriving mid-November before Thanksgiving.
I messaged seven Airbnb ask for day visitors and occasionally nighttime visitors.
One says no sex tourism. And one says I have to pay if the visitor stays after dawn.
The rests are cool with it. (One says the guest need to register at the door.).
So, is there any specific neighborhood to stay as long? It's good as long as not too far from Metro?
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Stay in the vicinity of poblado / parque Lleras. It's the safest place for foreigners. Lots of restaurants and clubs, very walkable, and generally safe. Still, keep your head on a swivel don't take your eyes off your drink, and don't walk around with your pricey valuable phone out on display.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851880]I highly recommend you "mingle on the streets" while in Medellin, especially if it's your first time here.
A good time to go is after 9 PM in and around the Botero Plaza area.
You won't be disappointed, as some of Medellin's finest start showing up later in the evening, no different than other mongering venues around the World.
And you shouldn't let a spider tat on a Venezuelan near her twat deter you from "nexting" a Venezuelan, but a tat in this area on a Colombian is a different matter.
Have fun while your in town and be safe.[/QUOTE]Thanks, appreciate it. Do you know if laureles also has action?
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851880]And you shouldn't let a spider tat on a Venezuelan near her twat deter you from "nexting" a Venezuelan...[/QUOTE]To err on a safe side OP should look of a good catholic girl, so one with a tat of the cross near her twat or between her tits.
Also, a business casual outfit could be a good idea for the evening mingling near the Botero Plaza, or perhaps even a black tie, so one doesn't stick out too much in this classy area.
[QUOTE=Ldb321;2851891]Going to Medellin for Halloween and I'm having a hard time finding guest friendly spots any plugs on them?
.[/QUOTE]Google or search for "Energy Living" on airbnb or.
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2838403][URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851684]I never been to Medellin, was worried about the drugging thing and the gringos and hoodrats over taking the place, so I thought let me import something just in case.[/QUOTE]This is exactly my concern as well. I was going to go down there in November, but I push back my vacation till February. I'm going to go to the La mansion Super Bowl weekend already have a room reserved provided there's drugging crap everything down there gets a little better I'm pretty sure the girls at the hotel are going to be safe and not doing that because they don't want to cut off their long term money but it's a gamble meeting some woman outside of the hotel.
I see recent video on YouTube, where a guy went on the third date with a girl, and she drugged him on the third date not the first day, not the second date of the third date and robbed him.
[QUOTE=FlyGuyEddie007;2851976]This is exactly my concern as well....[/QUOTE]Did you read this?
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2848485]Yellow Taxi; Robbery Scheme near Provenza
Hey all, a friend of my mine was recently robbed at gun point for his iPhone and watch while walking home from Provenza....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2851776]Dear All.
I am planning a trip to Medellin for a month arriving mid-November before Thanksgiving.
I messaged seven Airbnb ask for day visitors and occasionally nighttime visitors.
One says no sex tourism. And one says I have to pay if the visitor stays after dawn.
The rests are cool with it. (One says the guest need to register at the door.).
So, is there any specific neighborhood to stay as long? It's good as long as not too far from Metro?
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Anywhere in Poblado or Laureles is fine. It doesn't have to be close to the Metro. You can always take Uber for a few bucks anywhere you need to go. The FB and Seeking girls don't take the Metro. They take taxis so distance from Metro not important for mongering purposes.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2851994]Did you read this?[/QUOTE]My friend was drugged and robbed after scopolamine drugging last week, Colombia is going to lose tourism if nothing is done, dangerous place.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851880]
A good time to go is after 9 PM in and around the Botero Plaza area.
[/QUOTE]I thought it is not safe to be in this area when the sun goes down??
What's the strategy here?
Between all the druggings and all the top tier girls traveling and the uglier ones trying to charge more in lleras it simply isn't appealing as a monger destination.
Guys are barebacking 200 mil hookers and bragging about it while aids is on a noticeable rise in mde.
Even the big spenders and simps realize it's not even that much fun anymore. Druggings of foreigners are a once or twice a week thing now. Robberies of foreigners is a daily thing.
As a mongering destination I don't think it's worth it.
I had a great time in Bogota. And I see Jaco is making a comeback so I might have to check that out also.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851880]I highly recommend you "mingle on the streets" while in Medellin, especially if it's your first time here.
A good time to go is after 9 PM in and around the Botero Plaza area.
You won't be disappointed, as some of Medellin's finest start showing up later in the evening, no different than other mongering venues around the World.
And you shouldn't let a spider tat on a Venezuelan near her twat deter you from "nexting" a Venezuelan, but a tat in this area on a Colombian is a different matter.
Have fun while your in town and be safe.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to bring your iPhone 14 pro max. You are going to need that larger screen when you are what's apping girls outside at 2 am in el centro. The lighting is bad at that time.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2852049]
10:00 PM tonight two guys tried robbing a local wearing a backpack between the metro and the church in front of Hotel Calle Real. The guy kept his phone and the 2 guys got away walking past the church towards the bars. Police came 5 minutes later from the metro side but after chatting the guy for 5 minutes turned and returned back heading back towards the metro. The front of the guy's shoulder near the collar bone was bleeding (2 inch circle). Not sure what caused the bleeding because I did not see a hole in his shirt. Maybe small knife? I went to my hotel ASAP. I am usually in by 9:00 but was bored so people watched. Silly me.[/QUOTE]Typically the posts here are about gringos getting jacked up, but the reality is that it's probably over 99% locals.
And as your post illustrates, walking around Centro later in the evening by yourself is not safe for anyone, whether your a monger or a local.
And yes, the guy you mentioned got stabbed with a small knife, and lots of locals carrying them, including the girls working the streets.
It's unfortunate that you, and others I know staying in Centro pretty much don't go out much after 9 PM because of the way things are there and I wouldn't be out either.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2852035]Between all the druggings and all the top tier girls traveling and the uglier ones trying to charge more in lleras it simply isn't appealing as a monger destination.
Guys are barebacking 200 mil hookers and bragging about it while aids is on a noticeable rise in mde.
Even the big spenders and simps realize it's not even that much fun anymore. Druggings of foreigners are a once or twice a week thing now. Robberies of foreigners is a daily thing.
As a mongering destination I don't think it's worth it.
I had a great time in Bogota. And I see Jaco is making a comeback so I might have to check that out also.[/QUOTE]It's unfortunate how things have changed here, yet more and more mongers are showing up here, and as an example a lot of hardcore Tijuana mongers who come here are typically enamored with MDE.
So in this particular instance MDE has become a mongering destination for them, and many others as well who used to frequent SEA.
Yet for others MDE has lost it's luster and rightly so for all the reasons you mention.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2852035]Between all the druggings and all the top tier girls traveling and the uglier ones trying to charge more in lleras it simply isn't appealing as a monger destination.
Guys are barebacking 200 mil hookers and bragging about it while aids is on a noticeable rise in mde.
Even the big spenders and simps realize it's not even that much fun anymore. Druggings of foreigners are a once or twice a week thing now. Robberies of foreigners is a daily thing.
As a mongering destination I don't think it's worth it.
I had a great time in Bogota. And I see Jaco is making a comeback so I might have to check that out also.[/QUOTE]I'm here for 34 days and Partners he is correct. It has really gone down hill. I don't think it has been said enough that the amount of attacks against Gringos are mostly unreported. Really the police think gringos are stupid.
A few months ago I was cut on my hand from a knife attack and as I was getting a bandage a cop was there and he quickly walkede away when he saw me.
Here is a link to an interesting article:
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-09-13/tourism-remote-workers-in-medellin-spark-local-tensions[/URL]
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2852016]I thought it is not safe to be in this area when the sun goes down??
What's the strategy here?[/QUOTE]It's not static. Within Plaza Botero is less safe when it is more or less deserted after the police is gone. People still go to the strip clubs. It is safer on the side of the strip club, then on the opposite side of the road. Taking metro to leave may be safer compared to waiting for Uber outside. It's better to wait inside but you will eventually go outside and may need to use your phone to locate the waiting Uber. That has risk vs just walk straight to metro. There are vendors that only come out at night which means people go there at night. You basically have to be familiar with the area so you don't get lost in the areas that are much less safe. There are other problems like anyone can come up to you to ask you for something. Are you going to give him / her anything?
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2852140]It's unfortunate how things have changed here, yet more and more mongers are showing up here, and as an example a lot of hardcore Tijuana mongers who come here are typically enamored with MDE.
So in this particular instance MDE has become a mongering destination for them, and many others as well who used to frequent SEA.
Yet for others MDE has lost it's luster and rightly so for all the reasons you mention.[/QUOTE]A girl in Bogota told me right now Mexicans are infatuated with mongering in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2852196]A girl in Bogota told me right now Mexicans are infatuated with mongering in Colombia.[/QUOTE]There are very few real Mexicans in Colombia. It's more likely that they are pochos (US born citizens of mexican decent) who are posing as Mexicans who are in Colombia.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2852154]I'm here for 34 days and Partners he is correct. It has really gone down hill. I don't think it has been said enough that the amount of attacks against Gringos are mostly unreported. Really the police think gringos are stupid.
A few months ago I was cut on my hand from a knife attack and as I was getting a bandage a cop was there and he quickly walkede away when he saw me.[/QUOTE]It's sad indeed. Ever since Petro took office, things have gone down hill quickly!
Arrived in Medellíand after 4 nights in Panama. Part of my bday week and figured since all the girls in Panama were from Medellin, why not.
Lodging: Stayed at the Haven Hotel of Calle 10 A, about 3 blocks from Lleras. Very nice place, great rooftop bar and food. We booked the 2 br suite where each room has a jacuzzi. All in, about $125 per person per night. Website says one free visitor per day and 100 k fee after that. Had no issue getting our visitors for free in and never got a chance to test the fee for second in same day. Great staff.
Transportation. Airport was 98 k in, 120 k out (4 am) about $20 and $30 respectively.
Tour. Did Guatape and El Peñol with Andes Adventures. Highly recommend.
Night 1: Lleras. Man that place is insane. After getting hounded by 58 promoters, and seeing nothing but what looked like bottom of the barrel, we grabbed some seats and a table outside just down from Gusto. We chilled there for about 2 hrs and some better options started rolling in around 10/11 pm. Talked to a few but we not impressed with the quality vs asking prices. And tbh, quite a noticeable number looked straight up underage. We passed as we'the just had some that morning in Panama and had other options for night 2.
Night 2. Ordered in. So, as we were flying down the day before, we cast the usual wide nets, this time a mix of PP and ME. By midday we'the settled on a nice late 20's 8 or so from PP and she'the sent a picture of her cousin who was nice looking too. Rate was 300 k - $80 / HR. We both wanted to hang with them, have some jacuzzi time etc so we negotiated for 1 M for the evening, which ended up being about 4 hrs. They were awesome. Super friendly, relaxed, we ordered room service and then bucket naked fun. BBBJ and she grabbed my hands and told me to grab her head. Man. Then session began mish, CG, a quatro, told me to slap that booty. Damn. After about an hour, and three body trembling orgasms on her part (I don't enjoy this shit unless they come, and I will do whatever it takes LOL mostly) I let mine rip. Whew. I'm going back will see her again.
We had w other alternatives. I had one who quoted me 1. 2 M for amanecida or 170 k per hour and the one that got away was a nice college girl at 220 k who spoke amazing English that I will definitely see next trip. We chatted for like 3 weeks before the trip but shit just fell thru. Aside from that, I'm building my Rolodex with the ones I met in Panama who will be back home soon.
All this to say there's really good options online if you do the verifications and are nice. Maybe I'll try Lleras next time but man they really looked skanky last week.
On to Aruba.
I did it again. Stayed out till 10:15 pm near the church. Late 20 year old girl grabbed an older local with backpack trying to get him upstairs to do the deed. He was not interested. She grabbed his shirt hard so he could not get away. She got her BIG girl friend to come help her. The BIG girl stood beside him but did not help because there were 5 people right their and in the bright light. If the 5 people were not there I am sure the BIG girl would have helped.
Last week a foreigner who should know better got pick-pocketed around 8:00 pm near the church. Two girls were hugging and loving up on him and his ego went into high gear and his brain dropped into reverse. He figured it out and grabbed her and forced her to sit on the bench as he checked his pockets. He let her go and the two girls ran away into the night with 70,000 mil / $18 USD. I laughed at him because he was an idiot. He told me he was leaving in the morning and I laughed harder. Too damn funny that his last memory was going to be that.
YOU do not belong in Centro after 8:30. Truth be told I am starting to feel like I do not belong here either at any time. May be my last trip or at least my second to last trip. The girls just are not enough reason to be here. Other areas of Medellin are not much better or the other cities I have been to.
Correction. Last night I believe the guy probably received a bloody hand when thrown to the pavement. Then transfered the blood near his collar bone when he took off his backpack when speaking to the police. Based on the blood pattern on his shirt. Drama running amuck temporarily in my head.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2852338]I did it again. Stayed out till 10:15 pm near the church. Late 20 year old girl grabbed an older local with backpack trying to get him upstairs to do the deed. He was not interested. She grabbed his shirt hard so he could not get away. She got her BIG girl friend to come help her. The BIG girl stood beside him but did not help because there were 5 people right their and in the bright light. If the 5 people were not there I am sure the BIG girl would have helped.
Last week a foreigner who should know better got pick-pocketed around 8:00 pm near the church. Two girls were hugging and loving up on him and his ego went into high gear and his brain dropped into reverse. He figured it out and grabbed her and forced her to sit on the bench as he checked his pockets. He let her go and the two girls ran away into the night with 70,000 mil / $18 USD. I laughed at him because he was an idiot. He told me he was leaving in the morning and I laughed harder. Too damn funny that his last memory was going to be that.
YOU do not belong in Centro after 8:30. Truth be told I am starting to feel like I do not belong here either at any time. May be my last trip or at least my second to last trip. The girls just are not enough reason to be here. Other areas of Medellin are not much better or the other cities I have been to..[/QUOTE]You can stay in Santa Fe redlight area till late without problems-- There are way more Girls too Hot Ones! -- 8+ Blocks of Streetie Sweeties and 8+ Great Clubs with Hot Slutty girls.
Santa Fe is the Disneyland for guys-- Great Friggen Rides -- So Many Hot Girls -- So Little Time.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2852338]I did it again. Stayed out till 10:15 pm near the church. Late 20 year old girl grabbed an older local with backpack trying to get him upstairs to do the deed. He was not interested. She grabbed his shirt hard so he could not get away. She got her BIG girl friend to come help her. The BIG girl stood beside him but did not help because there were 5 people right their and in the bright light. If the 5 people were not there I am sure the BIG girl would have helped.[/QUOTE]Big girls scare the fuck out of me. Like on next Friday, the little sister that's bigger than the big sister lmao.
No Bueno!
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2852263]It's sad indeed. Ever since Petro took office, things have gone down hill quickly![/QUOTE]Glad I went when I did.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2852453]You can stay in Santa Fe redlight area till late without problems-- There are way more Girls too Hot Ones! -- 8+ Blocks of Streetie Sweeties and 8+ Great Clubs with Hot Slutty girls.
Santa Fe is the Disneyland for guys-- Great Friggen Rides -- So Many Hot Girls -- So Little Time.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Same quality as la isla for for 150 k 20 minutes instead of 550 k 30 minutes. But ig not as safe. That's what you're paying for at la isla. Safety. I would still do Santa Fe over la isla. I would only put Santa Fe above la isla if the prices come down to 350 k again.
There is an article in [URL]bloomberg.com[/URL] today about Medellin. Tourist number is going to explode.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2852154]I'm here for 34 days and Partners he is correct. It has really gone down hill. I don't think it has been said enough that the amount of attacks against Gringos are mostly unreported. Really the police think gringos are stupid.
A few months ago I was cut on my hand from a knife attack and as I was getting a bandage a cop was there and he quickly walkede away when he saw me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2852577]Agreed. Same quality as la isla for for 150 k 20 minutes instead of 550 k 30 minutes. But ig not as safe. That's what you're paying for at la isla. Safety. I would still do Santa Fe over la isla. I would only put Santa Fe above la isla if the prices come down to 350 k again.[/QUOTE]SF girls and La Isla girls are in completely different leagues quality wise. You can compare SF to street sweeties of El Centro, but not to the most high end strip club in Medellin. Sure, La Isla got some bad apples, but overall quality is far superior. And since the rates are fixed, even though pricey, you can choose any girls you want for the same price. SF and El Centro are great only for someone on a limited budget, with low standards (can fuck pretty much anyone). My first 9/10 I did fuck at La Isla, when I first got to Medellin about 8 yrs ago. The girl was a fitness model with 6-pack abs. Cost me around $100 back then. You can't find a fitness model in a dump place like SF or El Centro.
More people out tonight so stayed till 10:00 pm again. My sleep pattern is all screwed up.
The thief girl asks me for money and not in a friendly way. I never give anything and she moved on.
9:30 pm police van and motorcycle pull up at the church / Mor Dis because / pharmacy corner. They walk down the pathway towards bar street. One guy has the child arm patch and they are checking IDs for underage girls. None were there and the guys were sitting together chatting and the girls were sitting together chatting so the guys were not trying to pickup any of the girls. Police make their way down the alley. The big girl from the night before has been chatting with the gringos off and on earlier. After the police leave she tells one of the gringos that the police wanted one of the girls to pretend to be too young so they could make money off the gringos (extortion).
I speak no Spanish so no idea if this was said of not. Sadly, the other gringo who speaks Spanish was not smart enough to ask the other girls if they too were asked to do the same thing (lie about their age). I try to verify stories I hear and this was important to know. I learned before not to have him ask intelligent questions. It gets watered down and lost in translation.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;2852453]You can stay in Santa Fe redlight area till late without problems-- There are way more Girls too Hot Ones! -- 8+ Blocks of Streetie Sweeties and 8+ Great Clubs with Hot Slutty girls.
[/QUOTE]Stayed one month and hated it. Miserably cold. She did not want me touching her with my cold hands and I did not want her touching me with her cold hands. People and dog piss and shit everywhere.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2852600]
Stayed one month and hated it. Miserably cold. She did not want me touching her with my cold hands and I did not want her touching me with her cold hands. People and dog piss and shit everywhere.[/QUOTE]I hate the hot sticky MDE weather- I am from LA and do not miss the hot weather-- Sure some areas are dirty-- but not the RedLight area.
You came at the wrong time there are some rainy periods but the last 6 months have been Great spring days during summer-- If you look on the Bogotá section you will se plenty of Happy reports -- not like here-- Good luck-.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2852263]It's sad indeed. Ever since Petro took office, things have gone down hill quickly![/QUOTE]Nice anecdote.
My contacts tell me crime is way down. Good news indeed. Thanks to petro.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2852338]I did it again. Stayed out till 10:15 pm near the church. Late 20 year old girl grabbed an older local with backpack trying to get him upstairs to do the deed. He was not interested. She grabbed his shirt hard so he could not get away. She got her BIG girl friend to come help her. The BIG girl stood beside him but did not help because there were 5 people right their and in the bright light. If the 5 people were not there I am sure the BIG girl would have helped.
Last week a foreigner who should know better got pick-pocketed around 8:00 pm near the church. Two girls were hugging and loving up on him and his ego went into high gear and his brain dropped into reverse. He figured it out and grabbed her and forced her to sit on the bench as he checked his pockets. He let her go and the two girls ran away into the night with 70,000 mil / $18 USD. I laughed at him because he was an idiot. He told me he was leaving in the morning and I laughed harder. Too damn funny that his last memory was going to be that.
YOU do not belong in Centro after 8:30. Truth be told I am starting to feel like I do not belong here either at any time. May be my last trip or at least my second to last trip. The girls just are not enough reason to be here. Other areas of Medellin are not much better or the other cities I have been to..[/QUOTE]There have been rude loud-mouth gringos hanging around a bench at the Veracruz since the beginning of Covid pandemic, and they are inviting problems to other foreigners. These overweight, unattractive guys act obnoxious, drink with working girls and fight with local punks on the center of promenade. Locals hate them. Most of them had their belongings stolen and some of them were extorted to pay money for their security. Basically they are advertising that foreigners are easy to be stolen and they deserved to be so. Just be careful at Botero and stay away from local hustlers and loud-mouth gringos.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2852694]Nice anecdote.
My contacts tell me crime is way down. Good news indeed. Thanks to petro.[/QUOTE]IDK where you are getting your info from but crime on Gringos is up. Whether that is a function of more gringos going there and being stupid or being targettid I'll stay curious about. But definitely the number of scopings and robbery v Gringos is up compared to pre pandemic.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852253]There are very few real Mexicans in Colombia. It's more likely that they are pochos (US born citizens of mexican decent) who are posing as Mexicans who are in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Exactly high end Mexican narcos know not to go to Colombia, they would more likely find local or get their chicas flown in to Mexico. The lower end ones or regular guys choose local options.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2852730]IDK where you are getting your info from but crime on Gringos is up. [/QUOTE]My claim is anecdotal, same as yours. You say its up, I say its down. Whete is your evidence to support your claim?
I know many guys that stay in centro and have been coming many years. They all say its far safer now than it used to be. Used to bevery dangerous, wheteas now they feel more confident walking around, even at night.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2852706]There have been rude loud-mouth gringos hanging around a bench at the Veracruz since the beginning of Covid pandemic, and they are inviting problems to other foreigners. These overweight, unattractive guys act obnoxious, drink with working girls and fight with local punks on the center of promenade. Locals hate them. Most of them had their belongings stolen and some of them were extorted to pay money for their security. Basically they are advertising that foreigners are easy to be stolen and they deserved to be so. Just be careful at Botero and stay away from local hustlers and loud-mouth gringos.[/QUOTE]I've seen those old gringos before sitting and drinking with the chicas near the Vera Cruz mall. Sometimes they have music blasting and trying to look cool. It's kind of funny to me. They look very out of place. The first time I seen them I was like WTF?
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2851152]To the dude who's balls the tranny grabbed.
You were manhandled my friend. Jajaja. But all kidding aside what the heck were you doing at plaza botero and the iglesia at night? Sunset means it's a no go zone.[/QUOTE]LOL, manhandled indeed! It was my first time there and I was in my early 30's. I had a hotel in botero and was scouting for some action (just not that kind of action). Many years later, I tried going out at night just to see what I had missed. It def wasn't worth it. The girls wanted more money than the casas and they upsold like crazy. At the time the casa girls were hotter too.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2852762]My claim is anecdotal, same as yours. You say its up, I say its down. Whete is your evidence to support your claim?
I know many guys that stay in centro and have been coming many years. They all say its far safer now than it used to be. Used to be very dangerous, where as now they feel more confident walking around, even at night.[/QUOTE]It's reasonable to assume that as tourist numbers have increased in recent years, so will crimes against tourists, so the raw number goes up but the crimes per capita (percentage) is more likely to have gone down.
This article says there were 25 foreigners killed in Medellin in 2022.
[URL]https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/03/colombia-police-investigation-into-death-of-foreign-national-in-medellin-ongoing-as-of-march-3#text=However%2 see%20 authorities%20 have%20 reported%20 a,killed%20 in%20 Medellin%20 in%202022.[/URL]
However the number of international visitors to Medellin in 2022 was over 1. 4 million.
[URL]https://www.medellincolombia.co/general-information/medellin-factfile/#text=Medellin%20 Tourism%20 Figures&text=Medellin%20 saw%201%2 C400%2 C000%20 international%20 visitors%20 in%202022.[/URL]
That's a rate of 1. 7 homicides per 100,000 which makes it safer than most US cities. The avg for Colombia is 27.1, the US is 6. 8, I'm taking the risk as the UK is 1. 2.
As for crime in general, getting mugged, drugged, whatever. It's the same rule as travelling anywhere, just don't be stupid. Don't walk around strange neighbourhoods at night, don't walk around with your expensive phone out, don't start shit with the locals, don't get so drunk you can't find your way home, don't accept candy from strangers, that kind of thing. Same rules as Thailand, the Philippines, Barcelona or New Orleans. If you're not a complete idiot Medellin is perfectly safe.
The best thing you can do to avoid a dangerous situation is to look out for and avoid them. No matter where in the world you are.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2852706]There have been rude loud-mouth gringos hanging around a bench at the Veracruz since the beginning of Covid pandemic, and they are inviting problems to other foreigners. These overweight, unattractive guys act obnoxious, drink with working girls and fight with local punks on the center of promenade. Locals hate them. Most of them had their belongings stolen and some of them were extorted to pay money for their security. Basically they are advertising that foreigners are easy to be stolen and they deserved to be so. Just be careful at Botero and stay away from local hustlers and loud-mouth gringos.[/QUOTE]I know exactly who you are talking about there's this one gringo with Grey hair and a Grey beard that sits on the bench in front of the glass walkway talking loud in English all obnoxious and shit.
And during my last trip in May and June there was what looked like East LA Pochos on the other end down by the panaderia that were being rude and obnoxious too. I had found a cute petite vennie near the panaderia I was making small talk to in Spanish to see if I liked her vibe and out of nowhere the fake Mexicans started yelling at me in English they were like "you look like a gangster" then I just ignored them and the vennie and I walked off towards hotel brisas de jardin by the casino there and she dropped a coin and I was like "se te cayo una moneda" and I picked it up and handed it to her. Then after the fake Mexicans realized I was ignoring them they started yelling "south side" just like that in English at the top of their lungs. It made me feel very uncomfortable to say the least.
Quintero or the local police or whoever should get rid of these scumbags. Charge them with some kind of fake crime or something and deport them back to the US. They look like the kind of people you see in the US living in tents and smoking fentanyl. I say round them up and get them the fuck out of here.
[QUOTE=Jicks;2852581]There is an article in [URL]bloomberg.com[/URL] today about Medellin. Tourist number is going to explode.[/QUOTE]Agree. I think some of us are old enough to remember the articles about Buenos Aires in the mid 2000's and how things exploded after that. Thankfully that was a further and more expensive flight. Not such barrier for Medellin!
[QUOTE=JustTK;2852762]My claim is anecdotal, same as yours. You say its up, I say its down. Whete is your evidence to support your claim?
I know many guys that stay in centro and have been coming many years. They all say its far safer now than it used to be. Used to bevery dangerous, wheteas now they feel more confident walking around, even at night.[/QUOTE]Just my opinion but I don't think it's any safer at night now than before the Pandemic or even several years ago.
The only difference now is that with the barricading around the Botero and Veracruz area and the increased daytime police presence it is safer during the daytime, but at night when everything is shut down, no different than before, but now more gringos are out at night than before, but there's also been lot's of reports of guys getting jacked up no different now than in the past.
I also think that a lot of guys who frequent Centro at night have become more astute about their surroundings, meaning things to be aware of, hence they feel more confident as you mention, and think it's safer now than in the past, but it isn't.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2852593]SF girls and La Isla girls are in completely different leagues quality wise. You can compare SF to street sweeties of El Centro, but not to the most high end strip club in Medellin. Sure, La Isla got some bad apples, but overall quality is far superior. And since the rates are fixed, even though pricey, you can choose any girls you want for the same price. SF and El Centro are great only for someone on a limited budget, with low standards (can fuck pretty much anyone). My first 9/10 I did fuck at La Isla, when I first got to Medellin about 8 yrs ago. The girl was a fitness model with 6-pack abs. Cost me around $100 back then. You can't find a fitness model in a dump place like SF or El Centro.[/QUOTE]Read my last post on Bogota forum 2 days ago. Yes you can find a fitness model. I'm talking about the clubs not the street. Fiebre and Troya are equal interns of girl quality to la isla. La isla is just over priced because of how they package the experience.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2852819]Read my last post on Bogota forum 2 days ago. Yes you can find a fitness model. I'm talking about the clubs not the street. Fiebre and Troya are equal interns of girl quality to la isla. La isla is just over priced because of how they package the experience.[/QUOTE]Well, then you are comparing low end clubs to high end La Isla. It's like comparing New Life to Loutron. An average La Isla girl easily beats an average Fiebre / Troya girl, there is no doubt about it. You got to be blind not to see the difference. But hey, more power to you, I guess it makes your life easier not to notice the difference.
And speaking of fitness models, it has become much harder to find one at La Isla, let alone at SF clubs. The quality is down everywhere.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2852826]Well, then you are comparing low end clubs to high end La Isla. It's like comparing New Life to Loutron. An average La Isla girl easily beats an average Fiebre / Troya girl, there is no doubt about it. You got to be blind not to see the difference. But hey, more power to you, I guess it makes your life easier not to notice the difference.
And speaking of fitness models, it has become much harder to find one at La Isla, let alone at SF clubs. The quality is down everywhere.[/QUOTE]
I found a fitness model at fiebre 2 days ago. I see her going to the gym everyday.
I guess our tastes are different or our experiences have been different. But I find that la isla and sf clubs are truly the same in terms of quality. La isla might have more girls but most of them are average. In terms of top tier talent both sf clubs have and many isla have the same amount imo. Just a handful of girls are top tier.
Personally out of all the times I went to la isla around half the time maybe less I have been disappointed. And just leave without anyone. Whenever girls go to dance I'm never like wow I want to take her to the room upstairs. But when I go to fiebre I have been consistently impressed by the dancers and have always taken a girl upstairs. And it's cheaper which is surprising to me.
That's why in my book they are the same. Lido in Bogota I think is equal to Loutron in Medellin in terms of quality. But lido is crazy expensive like 200 usd for an hour with the girl but all the girls are hot except for 1 or 2. Loutron I heard has gone slightly down but I'll have to see for myself.
I don't consider myself cheap like paying centro prices but I do consider myself reasonable.
The lesson here is paying more doesn't necessarily always give a better experience. Eg prime example being gustos and second being la isla raising their prices to 550 k + 50 k cover and the experience being essentially the same.
I prefer Medelln over bogota however because online girls are really good for 200k and pausas provide better service and over are just better. Even though I sometimes get bad service and bad attitude in bogota I can count that I can always find someone good enough in sf
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852781]I know exactly who you are talking about there's this one gringo with Grey hair and a Grey beard that sits on the bench in front of the glass walkway talking loud in English all obnoxious and shit.....[/QUOTE]He is talking about a group of gringos that are sitting on the bench to the right of the church when you are facing the church. It looks like they just use it as a social gathering place.
[QUOTE=MaxKane;2852778]It's reasonable to assume that as tourist numbers have increased in recent years, so will crimes against tourists, so the raw number goes up but the crimes per capita (percentage) is more likely to have gone down.
This article says there were 25 foreigners killed in Medellin in 2022.
[URL]https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/03/colombia-police-investigation-into-death-of-foreign-national-in-medellin-ongoing-as-of-march-3#text=However%2 see%20 authorities%20 have%20 reported%20 a,killed%20 in%20 Medellin%20 in%202022.[/URL]
However the number of international visitors to Medellin in 2022 was over 1. 4 million.
[URL]https://www.medellincolombia.co/general-information/medellin-factfile/#text=Medellin%20 Tourism%20 Figures&text=Medellin%20 saw%201%2 C400%2 C000%20 international%20 visitors%20 in%202022.[/URL].[/QUOTE]Stories about guys being drugged and robbed isn't common in Thailand, the Philippines, Barcelona or New Orleans but it is common in Medellin. To me, that is one significant difference about Medellin. Drug cartels running around is also found in Mexico and Colombia but not most of the other countries. They don't target gringo but sometimes gringos getting killed is an accidental consequence of drug wars. I do know a few guys who say they would never go to Colombia because the danger is not worth it. Now, that doesn't stop me for the reasons you mentioned. Take precautions and be aware of your circumstances. If something seems off, move on or ask the girl to leave.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2852986]He is talking about a group of gringos that are sitting on the bench to the right of the church when you are facing the church. It looks like they just use it as a social gathering place.[/QUOTE]I would say let the old guys have their fun. They are probably living on a tight budget and they enjoy the El Centro scene. Just ignore them and move on.
[QUOTE=MaxKane;2852778]...
That's a rate of 1. 7 homicides per 100,000 which makes it safer than most US cities. The avg for Colombia is 27.1, the US is 6. 8, I'm taking the risk as the UK is 1. 2.
As for crime in general, getting mugged, drugged, whatever. It's the same rule as travelling anywhere, just don't be stupid. Don't walk around strange neighbourhoods at night, don't walk around with your expensive phone out, don't start shit with the locals, don't get so drunk you can't find your way home, don't accept candy from strangers, that kind of thing. Same rules as Thailand, the Philippines, Barcelona or New Orleans. If you're not a complete idiot Medellin is perfectly safe....[/QUOTE]Those numbers are not useful in this context as others have said it. You seem to be implying Medellin is as safe as Thailand. The robberies are not limited to night time. Most robberies reported here or elsewhere are not in strange neighborhoods.
The first time I went to la isla, way back in the day, it was amazing. Half the girls there were hot. The other two strip clubs were great too. 25% of the girls there were hot. The last time I went post pandemic it was awful. I saw one girl that was hot at la isla but her personality sucked so I didn't take her. The other clubs were awful and empty. I don't know if the pandemic is the reason why it sucks in 2023. Someone here that's been living there the last few years would be more qualified to answer that. Gustos and the park were horrible. It's like a magic ugly stick came and touched the city, and now all all the girls are old, hardened look, and a ton of makeup. Enjoy but I'll fly the extra 5 hours and go to Rio.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2852988]I would say let the old guys have their fun. They are probably living on a tight budget and they enjoy the El Centro scene. Just ignore them and move on.[/QUOTE]The gringos in front of the Veracruz mall are making tons of troubles with locals and police. They were kicked out of some hotels and prohibited from entering some restaurants and shops.
It is known to create problems, but usually after a few attempts it works. NOT THIS TIME.
I tried 15 times yesterday, and 10 today, 4 different browser and 2 PCs. I arrive at the end, where it asks for the address (Datos de hospedaje), and then I get a blank page with "502 Bad Gateway" message.
My flight is this night. What would you do?
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2853058]It is known to create problems, but usually after a few attempts it works. NOT THIS TIME.
I tried 15 times yesterday, and 10 today, 4 different browser and 2 PCs. I arrive at the end, where it asks for the address (Datos de hospedaje), and then I get a blank page with "502 Bad Gateway" message.
My flight is this night. What would you do?[/QUOTE]The same thing happened to me. I got it to work by using the Spanish version, and not using "Frequent traveler". Also, when selecting the departing city, I selected Florida as the city because in the previous version, that was the option I used. By making those three changes, it worked the first time. So I don't know which is causing the bad gateway.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2852997]The first time I went to la isla, way back in the day, it was amazing. Half the girls there were hot. The other two strip clubs were great too. 25% of the girls there were hot. The last time I went post pandemic it was awful. I saw one girl that was hot at la isla but her personality sucked so I didn't take her. The other clubs were awful and empty. I don't know if the pandemic is the reason why it sucks in 2023. Someone here that's been living there the last few years would be more qualified to answer that. Gustos and the park were horrible. It's like a magic ugly stick came and touched the city, and now all all the girls are old, hardened look, and a ton of makeup. Enjoy but I'll fly the extra 5 hours and go to Rio.[/QUOTE]You will be able to find all the hotties from medellin in private harems adorned with gold in the arab world and in clubs in Japan, south Korea, spain to some extent and other places no doubt I am not aware of.
There has been a huge shift in the world, it is not reserved for any one venue or country.
Big big money has scoured the world and sequestered the finest girls from around the globe in private situations.
Read what has happened in the FKKs in Germany, the whole city of Medellin, Angeles City in the Philipines, Bangkok and Pattaya in Thailand.
And other similar venues around the world.
The quality and quantity of the chicas has crashed everywhere.
It is no coincidence. Big money has scoured the world and sequestered the best of the best.
It is over boys. It is a whole new ball game now.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2852988]I would say let the old guys have their fun. They are probably living on a tight budget and they enjoy the El Centro scene. Just ignore them and move on.[/QUOTE]When I'm in Centro I stay clear of other gringos.
Unfortunately because of the onslaught of the new mongers here who used to frequent SEA, and from many others places since the Pandemic, these new mongers since Colombia opened up eight months after the Pandemic have changed many things for foreign mongers in Centro now.
Sometimes I see these mongers as though I was somewhere in SEA who typically have a beer in one hand, and a Cigarette in the other.
Some of them, but not all of them I find disgusting, not only by their personal habits and appearance, but with there dealings with the SW's, and the locals who frequent Centro daily, hence leaving what I call a tarnished image for all of the foreign mongers here of which many are good guys.
As a result of this, the mongering environment is very different than before the Pandemic.
And it's not just the older mongers but also the younger mongers who have contributed to tarnishing all the foreign mongers, as though we have a stigma.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2853066]The same thing happened to me. I got it to work by using the Spanish version, and not using "Frequent traveler". Also, when selecting the departing city, I selected Florida as the city because in the previous version, that was the option I used. By making those three changes, it worked the first time. So I don't know which is causing the bad gateway.[/QUOTE]I did other 6 attempts, tried English and Spanish, different cities (Denver and Miami).
Result: I don't even arrive at the last page, it fails on step 3 with a "504 Gateway Time-out".
I do not think that there is an offending content in my form, but their server that doesn't work, and maybe they will fix it too late for me.
I have taken and printed all the screenshots, so I can prove my due diligence, but their process doesn't work.
BTW, first time in 6 trips.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2853058]It is known to create problems, but usually after a few attempts it works. NOT THIS TIME.
I tried 15 times yesterday, and 10 today, 4 different browser and 2 PCs. I arrive at the end, where it asks for the address (Datos de hospedaje), and then I get a blank page with "502 Bad Gateway" message.
My flight is this night. What would you do?[/QUOTE]Nothing. I already reported that I did not fill it out entering or leaving last time.
-- Landed in Mde 9/12 and totally forgot about check-mig, but they didn't ask for it so fellas it looks like it's no longer needed nor the Vax card. Or it could be if your a frequent traveler they already have you in the sys and migracion dude just askd me if it's a tourism trip and I said yes. Done in 2 minutes.
-- Airport taxi is a bit higher. Normal rate used to be 80 k-100 k to Laureles or El Plobado but now min is 120 k. Some wanted 150 k.
-- Last trip was in Feb and I didn't notice inflation isssue, but this trip I def do. Food, Taxi (starts now at 4300 on meter instead of 3300), chicas also slightly more expensive.
-- Leasing a nice apt in a quiet area of Laureless, can tell prices are going up.
-- Slept and organized first afternoon and ate at a nice restaurant near my apt (Morenita), really good food, paid 60 k totall incl drink and a beer. Slept for 12 hrs. (bro was tired).
-- I'm here for several Months, so no rush. Woke up and took a cab to centro 9/13, lots and lots of hunnies, few 7-8's, I shit you not. I was so confused on whom to chose so I didn't. Walked into Cojenitas, 2 beers, called the finest flaca after her stage dance (solid 8) to come sit (approx 4 pm), chatted, girl drink, then 120 k in room and got that first nut out. Total incl beer was less than 150 k, no propina.
-- I promised myself I wouldn't hunt any non-pros since tht takes a lot of work. But then I realize focusing on pros only is not a better option w all the druggin going on, and much less risk w a true non-pro. Also since I'm here a while I DO want a novia. Fuck that. Refuse to have to pay each time LOL. My main strat will be approaching chicas in person when walking around. Got few digits so far and chatting. I make sure to ask that they are not prepagos and that I am not seeking that. I want either an amiga, or algo serio (something serious). The one I'm chatting with are ok w / that. Tinder and dating apps nowadays is 99% hardcore pros and problem chicas, I scan through them just for fun but they never fail, that as soon as you match they either tell you or want to meet you ASAP, ignore personal questions and simply want to meet or asking you whether you're in an apt or hotel. They're basically measuring you as their next potential victim for money or drugging your ass. So don't do it bc Mde is super dangerous now w those types.
-- Met a cool dude from the Airport who lives here and confirm the issues, we had lunch next day w his spouse incl few of his mates. I always admire and happy to learn from the older gents and vets!!
-- Day 3 got some work stuff set up, then realized eros spa is super close less than a 10 min walk, decent line up of 12-15 chicas, lots of 4-5's but couple doable 6's and 7's. Went there damage 80 k (was 70 k few months back). Chica said no specific time. Was super tight, was screaming while I tore it up. We layed down and chatted. Wanted an extra 40 k for BBBJ, but was terrible at it, I called her out and said yo you don't know how to do this, she said she does. So I stood up instead of laying down and she improved a bit LOL. Overall ok. Total damage 120 k (she didn't earn extra propina but did her job).
-- didn't do shit yesterday, and I have a cita this evening w a non-pro morena w some huge tits, going out for drinks. Hopefully I get to smash!!
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2853071]I did other 6 attempts, tried English and Spanish, different cities (Denver and Miami).
Result: I don't even arrive at the last page, it fails on step 3 with a "504 Gateway Time-out".
I do not think that there is an offending content in my form, but their server that doesn't work, and maybe they will fix it too late for me.
I have taken and printed all the screenshots, so I can prove my due diligence, but their process doesn't work.
BTW, first time in 6 trips.[/QUOTE]It's been a while since I've done devops type work but it could be geo tied load balancer leads to a bad server / site. Maybe try bouncing off a VPN in Colombia? Failing that maybe try rebooting and using an incognito tab.
I was getting the same error on my last trip, but I was using the Frequent Traveler option like Fun Luvr mentioned. I didn't use that option and then tried another computer with another browser. That worked, but I don't think I had to use a different computer or browser.
I'm back in Bogota and had no issues using my iPhone the other day. Didn't use Frequent Traveler either.
[QUOTE=Arthur62;2853071]I did other 6 attempts, tried English and Spanish, different cities (Denver and Miami).
Result: I don't even arrive at the last page, it fails on step 3 with a "504 Gateway Time-out".
I do not think that there is an offending content in my form, but their server that doesn't work, and maybe they will fix it too late for me.
I have taken and printed all the screenshots, so I can prove my due diligence, but their process doesn't work.
BTW, first time in 6 trips.[/QUOTE]Try different browsers, ie Chrome, Firefox, Edge, etc. Make sure you'll look at the right end of the web pages.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2852997]The first time I went to la isla, way back in the day, it was amazing. Half the girls there were hot. The other two strip clubs were great too. 25% of the girls there were hot. The last time I went post pandemic it was awful. I saw one girl that was hot at la isla but her personality sucked so I didn't take her. The other clubs were awful and empty. I don't know if the pandemic is the reason why it sucks in 2023. Someone here that's been living there the last few years would be more qualified to answer that. Gustos and the park were horrible. It's like a magic ugly stick came and touched the city, and now all all the girls are old, hardened look, and a ton of makeup. Enjoy but I'll fly the extra 5 hours and go to Rio.[/QUOTE]So Rio is really that much better than Medellin??
Would you day it's better than Guayaquil Ecuador??
Is there a street scene in Rio like botero or lleras?
Because I had to weed through pages of complaining, whining, fear mongering (heh), or the ol' "Back in my day" BS. I'll give you some reports.
Used mileroticos, photoprepagos and have had success.
First was a girl showing her face, said she was in her teens, but was in her late 20's, however looked exactly like the photos.
She was a girl next door type with a gorgeous face that was a turn on by itself, no makeup, all natural and it was GFE.
I paid 300+50 for transport. Two leches. Bbj - and she delivered.
A little shy, but sensual. Super tight as well and a pretty kitty. We kissed a bunch and she was very sweet, clean, no drama, and eager to please. What a start to the trip. Overall 9/10.
Next was more of a porn star chica, face was blurred but her body was petite, natural and super fit. Again pictures were "verified" and it definitely was her.
The girls use the earliest photos of them it seems, and ride those pics until it's not viable anymore. She had tats, and she had two listings, one with tats and one without. Same number same chica.
Shows up later than we planned but she was super sweet.
Showed up and I asked her to dance for me, she puts on her playlist and starts to dance and teasing me.
Fake ass lips but everything else real. The DSL were fun, but kind of comical, but didn't stop her from pleasing me. She took more control, and rode me like a bronco, but did plenty of BJ teasing with a lot of eagerness. We spoke about Colombia and she gave me lots of tips in between leches. Her kitty was pretty damn perfect as well and quite tight again.
From her profile her vibe was quite obvious, so far my instincts have steered me in the right direction. Not into the non-responsive chicas bc they will probably be aloof when you meet them.
After the second leche we had some time and she told me about all the things I need to see and do while here. She is passionate about her country, and is a paisa. The genuine personalities in Colombia are truly special. Overall 8/10.
It helps a ton to speak Spanish, and luckily I do with near fluency. But a lot of words don't transfer because of regional dialects and certain words having totally different meanings, which is fun to figure out but if you're a gringo using translation apps only, hopefully you learn a thing or two along the way.
Honestly the gringos I see here are cringe AF. The way they act, the way they have no interest in the people or culture. I get the fact that people want to experience their fantasies here, but its no wonder there is resentment when gringo groups are in nice restaurants openly talking about their escapades loudly, and celebrating like they have never had sex before. It's pathetic really. And then some bring "dates" with them and are just in their translation apps the whole time or they ignore the chicas, who looked bored out of their minds and are just waiting to get paid and leave. No real connection being made. But I did see some supermodel hot girls with these gringos so they were doing something right.
My hotel charges way too much to allow a chica in, but I don't think I would have loved staying in some of the budget options that people tout on this board because walking / driving past them, they don't seem that clean, and are full of gringos.
Will try out the clubs so I can feel out personality, and not stick to whatsapp and online profiles. So far the list include FaseDos, La Isla, Fiebre, Lutron, etc.
I may see my first chica again bc she was such a surprise by how down to earth and natural she was.
Good luck guys, hope this is somewhat helpful to some.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2853067]You will be able to find all the hotties from medellin in private harems adorned with gold in the arab world and in clubs in Japan, south Korea, spain to some extent and other places no doubt I am not aware of.
There has been a huge shift in the world, it is not reserved for any one venue or country.
Big big money has scoured the world and sequestered the finest girls from around the globe in private situations.
Read what has happened in the FKKs in Germany, the whole city of Medellin, Angeles City in the Philipines, Bangkok and Pattaya in Thailand.
And other similar venues around the world.
The quality and quantity of the chicas has crashed everywhere.
It is no coincidence. Big money has scoured the world and sequestered the best of the best.
It is over boys. It is a whole new ball game now.[/QUOTE]That damn "big money!" Always hatching some nefarious plot to destroy everything, just like some James Bond Villain.
Fortunately, just like every super villain in every movie, they really suck at it. Plus, it's pretty difficult to round up and sequester about 800 million women.
If you're in Colombia, or undoubtedly in any of the cities listed, just go to a mall, walk down the street, or stop by a church. You'll see plenty of beautiful women. If you're able to greet them and speak 4 or 5 sentences in their language (with 1 sentence being a description of your knowledge of their language), you have a chance for a conversation. If you have a conversation, you have a chance for a date. If you have a date, you have a chance.
Hookers are still out there in the same numbers, however, the game has changed. If you have a cellphone, tablet or computer, you have everything you need to change right along with it.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2853170]So Rio is really that much better than Medellin??
Would you day it's better than Guayaquil Ecuador??
Is there a street scene in Rio like botero or lleras?[/QUOTE]The street scene in Rio is a non starter. Mostly ladyboys and really washed up hookers. Any girl that is at least decent looking will work at the termas or small clubs. If they work the street they are bottom of the barrel or chicks with dicks.
They are not hard to avoid. They are only a nuisance most of the time. As mentioned, they regularly have bad interactions with locals and with each other. There is a younger contingent that hangs out in the bars behind the church doing tusi and coke.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2852988]I would say let the old guys have their fun. They are probably living on a tight budget and they enjoy the El Centro scene. Just ignore them and move on.[/QUOTE]
The most likely cause is a temporary web server outage. Checkmig sits behind the Colombia immigration website's WAF. Try again later.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2853129]It's been a while since I've done devops type work but it could be geo tied load balancer leads to a bad server / site. Maybe try bouncing off a VPN in Colombia? Failing that maybe try rebooting and using an incognito tab.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2853134]I was getting the same error on my last trip, but I was using the Frequent Traveler option like Fun Luvr mentioned. I didn't use that option and then tried another computer with another browser. That worked, but I don't think I had to use a different computer or browser.
I'm back in Bogota and had no issues using my iPhone the other day. Didn't use Frequent Traveler either.[/QUOTE]Apparently they have not worked out all the bugs since they transitioned and changed the Platform several months back as for whatever reason my frequent traveler info wasn't transferred over and I had issues last month with Check Mig but got around it.
[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2853124]-- Landed in Mde 9/12 and totally forgot about check-mig, but they didn't ask for it[/QUOTE]I also forgot. Immigration didn't ask for it.
[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2853124]Airport taxi is a bit higher. Normal rate used to be 80 k-100 k to Laureles or El Plobado but now min is 120 k. Some wanted 150 k.[/QUOTE]I confirmed with the tout in uniform and the taxi driver, that the fare is 98 K (to Poblado), including the tollway. 98 K is max; assuming that is the official fare. But note that I landed at 3 PM; some poster mentioned that the group can gouge when it is off hours. He was very happy when I gave him 102 K; he helped with the luggage.
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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2853319]They are not hard to avoid. They are only a nuisance most of the time. As mentioned, they regularly have bad interactions with locals and with each other. There is a younger contingent that hangs out in the bars behind the church doing tusi and coke.[/QUOTE]Some of these gringos were arrested and put into jails for a few days. Now the locals think that all gringos are assxxxxs.
[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2853067]You will be able to find all the hotties from medellin in private harems adorned with gold in the arab world and in clubs in Japan, south Korea, spain to some extent and other places no doubt I am not aware of.
There has been a huge shift in the world, it is not reserved for any one venue or country.
Big big money has scoured the world and sequestered the finest girls from around the globe in private situations.
Read what has happened in the FKKs in Germany, the whole city of Medellin, Angeles City in the Philipines, Bangkok and Pattaya in Thailand.
And other similar venues around the world.
The quality and quantity of the chicas has crashed everywhere.
It is no coincidence. Big money has scoured the world and sequestered the best of the best.
It is over boys. It is a whole new ball game now.[/QUOTE]I thought you guys were exaggerating saying things like this, but I just landed in Medellin and these chicks are busted! Mostly fatties and out of shape chicks everywhere. Girls like this wanting 100 usd and free drinks all night.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2853345]I also forgot. Immigration didn't ask for it.
I confirmed with the tout in uniform and the taxi driver, that the fare is 98 K (to Poblado), including the tollway. 98 K is max; assuming that is the official fare. But note that I landed at 3 PM; some poster mentioned that the group can gouge when it is off hours. He was very happy when I gave him 102 K; he helped with the luggage.[/QUOTE]The MIG form you filled out is on the computer. They don't need to ask for it because they see the information on their computer screens.
The fare to Poblado from the airport is set out on the big sign on the wall where you get the white taxi. It says "98 pesos". Always good to confirm with the driver but so far they all have complied with the posted fare.
Excellent report, and yes, thank you for actual information!
[QUOTE=CowboyCheeba;2853212]Because I had to weed through pages of complaining, whining, fear mongering (heh), or the ol' "Back in my day" BS. I'll give you some reports.
Used mileroticos, photoprepagos and have had success.
First was a girl showing her face, said she was in her teens, but was in her late 20's, however looked exactly like the photos.
She was a girl next door type with a gorgeous face that was a turn on by itself, no makeup, all natural and it was GFE.
I paid 300+50 for transport. Two leches. Bbj - and she delivered.
A little shy, but sensual. Super tight as well and a pretty kitty. We kissed a bunch and she was very sweet, clean, no drama, and eager to please. What a start to the trip. Overall 9/10.
Next was more of a porn star chica, face was blurred but her body was petite, natural and super fit. Again pictures were "verified" and it definitely was her.
The girls use the earliest photos of them it seems, and ride those pics until it's not viable anymore. She had tats, and she had two listings, one with tats and one without. Same number same chica.
Shows up later than we planned but she was super sweet...[/QUOTE]
This trip was so odd. I had been in Bogota the first weekend of August and it followed the standard Santa Fe routine. Street girls, club girls, street girls and done. All good.
Medellin, for whatever reason, became the "novia GFE" trip.
Night 1 - Saturday the 19th. Walking from Lleras toward Calle 10, met a long black haired beautiful semi-indigenous looking girl. High cheekbones, full lips, slim, but with nalguitas that you can get a nice handful of. Went for a drink, had some snacks at the Mexican bar / salsa place just south of Lleras, went across to the super loud club but sat outside and had some drinks. Went to my hotel, no charge to take her up, and we had a nice 1 hour plus time together. Back to the bars, more drinks, back to the hotel more fucking. Then repeated again.
Day 2 / Night 2 Sunday the 20th to Monday the 21st. Spent the whole day Sunday in bed, watching tv and more sex. Same night time routine. Finally, she left Monday morning. All in, she asked for zero money, which was odd, but I gave her $170 k, plus bought food and drinks. Saw her later that day and she had gotten a big hole in her fake Chanel sneakers where the sole separated from the leather. I gave her another $100 k for some new shoes.
All in, $270 k for probably 12 sessions, multiple pops over 3 nights and 2 full days. Craziness. Never had that happen before.
Day 3 - rest and recovery day. But popped by the spa on lower Calle 10 heading toward Carrera 43, got a massage and an exceedingly nice happy ending.
Day 4-5 - hooked up with a girl from Tinder. She works at a big department store in one of the larger centro commerciales, so I met her at work, went to dinner, back to my hotel for 2 hours. Zero cash, paid for taxis and dinner. Next day, met her again for dinner, stayed overnight at my hotel and we had about 6 different sessions over the entire evening, night, next morning. She had to work and was about to leave. Didn't ask for any money whatsoever, but before she did I gave her $400 k to put toward her scooter purchase. She was exceedingly grateful.
In 5 days, only 2 girls, complete GFE from both with probably 20+ separate sex sessions (not all producing a nut as I'd be blowing sand at that point), and all for only $670 k. Craziness.
Finally Day 7 - went to Botero, went with 3 different Venezolanas. One cute, but perfunctory; her cousin (sent to me in the room by the first girl, so I didn't see beforehand) was about as plain looking as they come, but MAN, the BEST deepthroat BBBJ I've had in a long, long, time. Well worth the $50 k, plus I gave her another $20 k as a tip. Incredible. Last girl had a bad attitude, wouldn't BBBJ even though she said she would, etc.
Night of Day 7 - spent in the little bar next to the chicken place on Calle 10, took 2 separate girls down to the hostel a few blocks down Calle 10.1st one. Slim, almost zero titties, but did an good job on BBBJ and rode me cowgirl very nicely. Next girl was a young light skinned Venezolana who gave me the complete GFE, including a cumshot all over her back and body, for only $170 k (after initially asking for $400 k).
Bottom line, there's a lot of options out there, I try to speak to the girls to get a feel for their personality, whether or not we have any chemistry in our flirtations, and just go with the ones that seem like they'd be fun. It's not all good, the 3rd girl in Botero was one of my worst experiences, but more than made up for by the last, 19-20 year old Vennie on Calle 10 who have me the complete GFE, but with a PSE ending!
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2853409]I thought you guys were exaggerating saying things like this, but I just landed in Medellin and these chicks are busted! Mostly fatties and out of shape chicks everywhere. Girls like this wanting 100 usd and free drinks all night.[/QUOTE]Avoid any chicas that quotes prices in dollars.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2853409]I thought you guys were exaggerating saying things like this, but I just landed in Medellin and these chicks are busted! Mostly fatties and out of shape chicks everywhere. Girls like this wanting 100 usd and free drinks all night.[/QUOTE]In a metro area of over 4 million people, you find 3 ugly girls and declare the whole city is worthless?
Aren't you the guy who's been asking about flying girls in for the past month? Although that's almost always a terrible idea, in your case, it might be your only hope.
So are you planning to leave now and save your remaining hotel cost or stay and endure the hags?
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2853409]I thought you guys were exaggerating saying things like this, but I just landed in Medellin and these chicks are busted! Mostly fatties and out of shape chicks everywhere. Girls like this wanting 100 usd and free drinks all night.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to suggest the locals think all gringos are asses. As I stated, the gringos that can't seem to stay out of trouble with the police and locals are not hard to avoid. In fact, no gringos are very hard to avoid because there are not that many compared to the overall crowds in Centro. I will say that I notice the more problematic among us actively seeking out engagement with other gringos. I suspect it's a reaction to having been shunned here and at home. I won't pretend to have any insights about what it says about cultural norms. For me personally the bench mob of gringos that have been around for years are like loose tiles and holes in pedestrian paths around Centro. I don't take note of them except to avoid them.
[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2853365]Some of these gringos were arrested and put into jails for a few days. Now the locals think that all gringos are assxxxxs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2853627]I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to suggest the locals think all gringos are asses. As I stated, the gringos that can't seem to stay out of trouble with the police and locals are not hard to avoid. In fact, no gringos are very hard to avoid because there are not that many compared to the overall crowds in Centro. I will say that I notice the more problematic among us actively seeking out engagement with other gringos. I suspect it's a reaction to having been shunned here and at home. I won't pretend to have any insights about what it says about cultural norms. For me personally the bench mob of gringos that have been around for years are like loose tiles and holes in pedestrian paths around Centro. I don't take note of them except to avoid them.[/QUOTE]Previously you stated that you are one of these guys on the bench.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2853288]That damn "big money!" Always hatching some nefarious plot to destroy everything, just like some James Bond Villain.
Fortunately, just like every super villain in every movie, they really suck at it. Plus, it's pretty difficult to round up and sequester about 800 million women.
If you're in Colombia, or undoubtedly in any of the cities listed, just go to a mall, walk down the street, or stop by a church. You'll see plenty of beautiful women. If you're able to greet them and speak 4 or 5 sentences in their language (with 1 sentence being a description of your knowledge of their language), you have a chance for a conversation. If you have a conversation, you have a chance for a date. If you have a date, you have a chance.
Hookers are still out there in the same numbers, however, the game has changed. If you have a cellphone, tablet or computer, you have everything you need to change right along with it.[/QUOTE]Nah you can't deny that quality has taken quite a hit over the last few years. I don't believe that it's because of rich oil sheiks buying up all girls LOL, although there's some truth there of course, mobility has gone up so girls can easily travel to Dubai and make 10 x more than what they make in Medellin.
But the MAIN reason is much simpler: Onlyfans. This platform is at least partly the problem. Normally one of the biggest factors determining your salary is the country you're in. A top doctor in Medellin doesn't even come close to what a top doctor in Dubai makes, just because they're working in different countries. However Onlyfans totally changed this, all of a sudden it doesn't matter anymore if you're from Dubai or Medellin, the hotter you are the more you make. So this makes it extremely interesting for hot girls from poorer countries. A hot girl can't make 100 k usd / month working at Parque Lleras. But they can with Onlyfans. Not saying this explains all of it, there are of course tons of girls not willing to make internet porn for obvious reasons. But it surely is a very important factor for the quality decrease over the last few years. Girls don't even need to have sex with total strangers anymore, they can make much more putting some rubber dildo in their asses in front of a webcam. Of course this is very tempting to quite a few and hence the increased popularity of this platform correlates with the decrease on the streets in Medellin, of that I'm sure.
Onlyfans, seriously? Even if it were something new and unique (and it definitely is not) I don't see that it could take girls off the market to the point we would notice. It makes sense to me that chaturbate, onlyfans and the like could cause some girls to ask for more money. Girls I've known who don't cam work haven't stayed with it more than a few months at a time. I don't know enough about it to understand why. What has taken my favorites off the market on a consistent basis for years is pregnancies and marriages.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2853697]Nah you can't deny that quality has taken quite a hit over the last few years. I don't believe that it's because of rich oil sheiks buying up all girls LOL, although there's some truth there of course, mobility has gone up so girls can easily travel to Dubai and make 10 x more than what they make in Medellin.
But the MAIN reason is much simpler: Onlyfans. This platform is at least partly the problem. Normally one of the biggest factors determining your salary is the country you're in. A top doctor in Medellin doesn't even come close to what a top doctor in Dubai makes, just because they're working in different countries. However Onlyfans totally changed this, all of a sudden it doesn't matter anymore if you're from Dubai or Medellin, the hotter you are the more you make. So this makes it extremely interesting for hot girls from poorer countries. A hot girl can't make 100 k usd / month working at Parque Lleras. But they can with Onlyfans. Not saying this explains all of it, there are of course tons of girls not willing to make internet porn for obvious reasons. But it surely is a very important factor for the quality decrease over the last few years. Girls don't even need to have sex with total strangers anymore, they can make much more putting some rubber dildo in their asses in front of a webcam. Of course this is very tempting to quite a few and hence the increased popularity of this platform correlates with the decrease on the streets in Medellin, of that I'm sure.[/QUOTE]
I'll go with that. I also admit to heavy use of tusi and bazuko and regular stints in the city jail.
[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2853667]Previously you stated that you are one of these guys on the bench.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2853697]Nah you can't deny that quality has taken quite a hit over the last few years. I don't believe that it's because of rich oil sheiks buying up all girls LOL, although there's some truth there of course, mobility has gone up so girls can easily travel to Dubai and make 10 x more than what they make in Medellin.
But the MAIN reason is much simpler: Onlyfans. This platform is at least partly the problem. Normally one of the biggest factors determining your salary is the country you're in. A top doctor in Medellin doesn't even come close to what a top doctor in Dubai makes, just because they're working in different countries. However Onlyfans totally changed this, all of a sudden it doesn't matter anymore if you're from Dubai or Medellin, the hotter you are the more you make. So this makes it extremely interesting for hot girls from poorer countries. A hot girl can't make 100 k usd / month working at Parque Lleras. But they can with Onlyfans. Not saying this explains all of it, there are of course tons of girls not willing to make internet porn for obvious reasons. But it surely is a very important factor for the quality decrease over the last few years. Girls don't even need to have sex with total strangers anymore, they can make much more putting some rubber dildo in their asses in front of a webcam. Of course this is very tempting to quite a few and hence the increased popularity of this platform correlates with the decrease on the streets in Medellin, of that I'm sure.[/QUOTE]Onlyfans should be banned.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2852706]There have been rude loud-mouth gringos hanging around a bench at the Veracruz since the beginning of Covid pandemic, and they are inviting problems to other foreigners. These overweight, unattractive guys act obnoxious, drink with working girls and fight with local punks on the center of promenade. Locals hate them. Most of them had their belongings stolen and some of them were extorted to pay money for their security. [/QUOTE]I have been here 7+ weeks. I knew several of the bench losers from 2 years ago. Nearly got into a fight with two of them. I chat with them from time to time this visit but then ignore them and their stupidity. I know nothing of them fighting with the locals. They have had slight verbal fights with the local homeless people to get away and leave them alone. How exactly did they have their belongings stolen? I ask because most have little money and thus nothing to steal. They are not paying security money. Where are you pulling this out of?
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2853047]The gringos in front of the Veracruz mall are making tons of troubles with locals and police. They were kicked out of some hotels and prohibited from entering some restaurants and shops.[/QUOTE]I was kicked out of Botero Real on the side of the church 2 years ago because they went 100% short time only rooms. Hotel Boulevar cut the overnight stays in half to have more short time rooms. So some of the bench losers were unable to stay there when they returned on their next visit. Those moved to Hotel the'Grieff. Three of those guys cook using hotplates in their hotels so eat out very little. One drinks so much he rarely eats at all, and half of what he eats is street food. Prohibited from entering some shops. What kind of shops? Guys worldwide are not known for shopping. You can look at their clothes and see they do not clothes shop. They do not spend money so how can they get kicked out of shopping stores? You are telling me the police can not handle these stupid foreigners if they had a problem with them?
You are making stuff up. I agree they are losers and will list some examples why. Load music. Lots of drinking in public. Trying to hug and get attention from all the street girls they can to cock block and stroke their low self esteem. Some grab the girls boobs when they hug them. Some try to get the girls to show their tits. The loud stereo guy has been handing out suckers to kids passing by for months. I think he wants to get a grooming job at Disney. They have the girls sit on their laps. Some make dry humping motions.
All of this is done in public. I told several of them that they are idiots and how to behave but they do not listen at all. Simply put, if the locals are not doing it then you should not be doing it. The local guys that pick up the street girls are very quiet and discreet which is how all of us should be. I hate the bench crew and have said so to many of them. Many of us on this site hate them because they make us all look bad. So if we hate them, then many of the locals that see this every single day surely hate them too.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2853548]The MIG form you filled out is on the computer. They don't need to ask for it because they see the information on their computer screens.
The fare to Poblado from the airport is set out on the big sign on the wall where you get the white taxi. It says "98 pesos". Always good to confirm with the driver but so far they all have complied with the posted fare.[/QUOTE]If you travel light, there is always the option of catching the bus to MDE, it will leave you at the stop at the San Diego Mall, about 14 k pesos and then you can catch a taxi to your place from there.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2853625]In a metro area of over 4 million people, you find 3 ugly girls and declare the whole city is worthless?....[/QUOTE]Based on the past posts, I think these 3 are the attractive ones in his view, otherwise why ask price?
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2853627]I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to suggest the locals think all gringos are asses..[/QUOTE]There is an incredible amount of ahlt talk going on here right now. Conspiracies that colombians hate gringos, no decent looking girls, crime spiralling out of control, onlyfans millionaire chicas left, right and centre, . Did I hit the Shlt Talk Mde link by mistake?
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2853703]Onlyfans, seriously? Even if it were something new and unique (and it definitely is not) I don't see that it could take girls off the market to the point we would notice. It makes sense to me that chaturbate, onlyfans and the like could cause some girls to ask for more money. Girls I've known who don't cam work haven't stayed with it more than a few months at a time. I don't know enough about it to understand why. What has taken my favorites off the market on a consistent basis for years is pregnancies and marriages.[/QUOTE]It's not new, but it's definitely increased in popularity over the last few years. I think it's mostly because of COVID, it's ever since that broke out that quality has gone down in Colombia. Cam/Onlyfans was already extra attractive to girls in poorer countries like Colombia, but the fact that there were no gringo's to f*ck for money, made at least some of them change to cam / onlyfans and it seems quite a few are happy with that change and stayed there. More money, less need to f*ck total strangers. Again, an ugly centro chick won't move to cam.onlyfans, they won't make much money there. But the really hot ones can make more money there than walking the streets. And it's really those really hot chicks that are now missing.
Of course it's not just only 1 explanation, but I'm sure this it's one of them. The decentralisation of digital porn has not been good for mongerers and with upcoming VR/AR technology it's only going to get worse.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2853705]I'll go with that. I also admit to heavy use of tusi and bazuko and regular stints in the city jail.[/QUOTE]And you failed to mention the quality and attributes of the SW's you go with including but not limited to very pregnant Chicas, grossly overweight Chicas, and the Sacaleros [my favorites} LOL.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2853765]I have been here 7+ weeks. I knew several of the bench losers from 2 years ago. Nearly got into a fight with two of them. I chat with them from time to time this visit but then ignore them and their stupidity.[/QUOTE]I realized a long time ago that interacting, and trying to give advice to other mongers in Centro that are not your personal friends is a total waste of time.
All mongers, myself included, are going to roll the way they want to with little to no regard to what other mongers think, unless they are personal friends and someone they respect.
[QUOTE=Nomars777;2853601]... Medellin, for whatever reason, became the "novia GFE" trip...[/QUOTE]Well, looks like somebody didn't get the memo that Medellin is finished LOL.
Nice one.
Also, for context -- what's your Spanish level and approx age bracket?
The bus is good even if you have a lot of luggage because there is so much space in the rear baggage storage. The taxi dispatcher girls at San Diego now wear uniforms to keep away mischief makers away. You can jump in a taxi from there.
[QUOTE=GauntMan;2853816]If you travel light, there is always the option of catching the bus to MDE, it will leave you at the stop at the San Diego Mall, about 14 k pesos and then you can catch a taxi to your place from there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GauntMan;2853816]If you travel light, there is always the option of catching the bus to MDE, it will leave you at the stop at the San Diego Mall, about 14 k pesos and then you can catch a taxi to your place from there.[/QUOTE]No need to travel light to use the bus. I bring two pieces of luggage and use the bus every time. They have a luggage area in the rear of the bus (outside access).
Re Only fans and other webcams. Yes it's an issue. I read a report that said recently there are 200 k webcam models in Colombia, that said only a small fraction of them make big money. Remember there is no limit on number of viewers a single chica can have, whereas they can only fuck one or two at a time. So the breakdown of $ is quite interesting and like everywhere else in competitive sports a lot of factors come into play and many of these cam girls return to the game. So not all accurate saying it's all shifted online. It's a factor that's all.
I would argue simping and idiots paying $ rates and some of them finding gustos and la Isla are bigger factors. I've lost 3 very good hoes that way. One of whom the simp actually bought her an apartment!!! Takes her to Europe and Asia on trips and it's a big gift every special event. I've seen her since 2019 and never given her more than 250mil but she seemed a little disappointed last time. Oh well on to the next.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853923]I realized a long time ago that interacting, and trying to give advice to other mongers in Centro that are not your personal friends is a total waste of time.
All mongers, myself included, are going to roll the way they want to with little to no regard to what other mongers think, unless they are personal friends and someone they respect.[/QUOTE]You brought them. Good job.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2853705]I'll go with that. I also admit to heavy use of tusi and bazuko and regular stints in the city jail.[/QUOTE]Good luck with avoiding yourself on the bench.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2853975]Re Only fans and other webcams. Yes it's an issue. I read a report that said recently there are 200 k webcam models in Colombia, that said only a small fraction of them make big money. Remember there is no limit on number of viewers a single chica can have, whereas they can only fuck one or two at a time. So the breakdown of $ is quite interesting and like everywhere else in competitive sports a lot of factors come into play and many of these cam girls return to the game. So not all accurate saying it's all shifted online. It's a factor that's all.
I would argue simping and idiots paying $ rates and some of them finding gustos and la Isla are bigger factors. I've lost 3 very good hoes that way. One of whom the simp actually bought her an apartment!!! Takes her to Europe and Asia on trips and it's a big gift every special event. I've seen her since 2019 and never given her more than 250mil but she seemed a little disappointed last time. Oh well on to the next.[/QUOTE]I don't know much about the overall industry or how it works for all the kinds of webcam girls but I had a webcam girl I did citas with in Medellin tell me that up in Bello the gangs have large warehouses that are full of cubicles that are decorated to look like bedrooms for these girls. All diffrent themes and shit. They had her long hair braided and had her wearing an oldschool german style dress and called her Frulein something-or-other, she said there was about 50 girls working in the warehouse she was in. She basically got paid by the hour and was eager for citas. So you can bet the gangs keep most of the money.
[QUOTE=Medclubber;2853896]It's not new, but it's definitely increased in popularity over the last few years. I think it's mostly because of COVID, it's ever since that broke out that quality has gone down in Colombia. Cam/Onlyfans was already extra attractive to girls in poorer countries like Colombia, but the fact that there were no gringo's to f*ck for money, made at least some of them change to cam / onlyfans and it seems quite a few are happy with that change and stayed there. More money, less need to f*ck total strangers. Again, an ugly centro chick won't move to cam.onlyfans, they won't make much money there. But the really hot ones can make more money there than walking the streets. And it's really those really hot chicks that are now missing.
Of course it's not just only 1 explanation, but I'm sure this it's one of them. The decentralisation of digital porn has not been good for mongerers and with upcoming VR/AR technology it's only going to get worse.[/QUOTE]The really hot ones were already making more money than walking the streets by working the Mansion, Facebook, Gusto, Tinder, Seeking, etc.
It's not one of the explanations. I've watched many Medellin working girls try webcam or Onlyfans. They almost never make any money. Onlyfans, if you're going to make money, you need to post pics and videos every day, plus work at least 4 or 5 hours every day on social media, making contacts and getting your name out there. If you keep that up for a month or two, you will probably get paid. You might even earn as much in those 2 months as you could have made from 1 Facebook date. 200-300 hours to earn the same as you could be making in 1 hour in bed?
Webcam is basically the same amount of work, before you start making money. To make webcam worse, a girl has to sit in front of a cam, smiling, keeping attentive and active for hours at a time when nobody is tipping, nobody is chatting.
Neither option is easy money.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2853988]I don't know much about the overall industry or how it works for all the kinds of webcam girls but I had a webcam girl I did citas with in Medellin tell me that up in Bello the gangs have large warehouses that are full of cubicles that are decorated to look like bedrooms for these girls. All diffrent themes and shit. They had her long hair braided and had her wearing an oldschool german style dress and called her Frulein something-or-other, she said there was about 50 girls working in the warehouse she was in. She basically got paid by the hour and was eager for citas. So you can bet the gangs keep most of the money.[/QUOTE]Even the legit studios usually keep 50%, at least until the model starts making good money. The ones working for the gangs don't last long. The real studios have a higher success rate, but they're a lot more selective about who they'll hire.
This is in line with what one of my girls told me about it. She moved back relatives in Cordoba but lived in Bello the past couple of years. On a related note, the Aventura casa also has ring lights in all their session rooms that the girls use for web cam sessions when the flow of local punters slows down. It's a vibe.
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2853988]I don't know much about the overall industry or how it works for all the kinds of webcam girls but I had a webcam girl I did citas with in Medellin tell me that up in Bello the gangs have large warehouses that are full of cubicles that are decorated to look like bedrooms for these girls. All diffrent themes and shit. They had her long hair braided and had her wearing an oldschool german style dress and called her Frulein something-or-other, she said there was about 50 girls working in the warehouse she was in. She basically got paid by the hour and was eager for citas. So you can bet the gangs keep most of the money.[/QUOTE]
You sold me short by leaving out the little person and the one missing her nose who wears the same green sparkly dress almost every day.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853918]And you failed to mention the quality and attributes of the SW's you go with including but not limited to very pregnant Chicas, grossly overweight Chicas, and the Sacaleros [myfavorites}LOL. [ / QUOTE].
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2854010]Even the legit studios usually keep 50%, at least until the model starts making good money. The ones working for the gangs don't last long. The real studios have a higher success rate, but they're a lot more selective about who they'll hire.[/QUOTE]Let me butt in here since I mostly do webcam girls in Colombia.
The website takes usually takes 70%. Then from the 30% that's remaining the girls get 50%. For every dollar you give they get 15 cents. And they have to convert it to pesos so if the exchange rate goes down like it is now it affects how much they earn. And that affects how long girls decide to work if they work at all. There are dedicated studios. There are houses they turn into studios. They make studios out of hotels that aren't as busy when tourism is low.
Girl do this thing called being a satélite. Which is they can take the equipment from the studio and set it up in their house. This way the studio only takes 10% to 20%. And the studio gets the space back so that they can bring another newbie girl.
Another thing girls do is save up the money to buy their own equipment and then they get that 20% back.
The holy grail is when they become independent do multiple websites with varying percentages that they take at the same time, have an onlyfans for subscriptions / passive income and use instagram as a dating app to get flown out by sugar daddies.
I know one girl who is doing all of these things and is on seeking I haven't been with her because she is presumably expensive but she's really hot at least her body and she's from seeáli. Her name is dianac1998.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2854007]The really hot ones were already making more money than walking the streets by working the Mansion, Facebook, Gusto, Tinder, Seeking, etc.
It's not one of the explanations. I've watched many Medellin working girls try webcam or Onlyfans. They almost never make any money. Onlyfans, if you're going to make money, you need to post pics and videos every day, plus work at least 4 or 5 hours every day on social media, making contacts and getting your name out there. If you keep that up for a month or two, you will probably get paid. You might even earn as much in those 2 months as you could have made from 1 Facebook date. 200-300 hours to earn the same as you could be making in 1 hour in bed?
Webcam is basically the same amount of work, before you start making money. To make webcam worse, a girl has to sit in front of a cam, smiling, keeping attentive and active for hours at a time when nobody is tipping, nobody is chatting.
Neither option is easy money.[/QUOTE]I agree but I can't explain where the really hot girls have gone. I started the webcam thing March 2020 the quality was way better then and there were more girls. Now all of the girls I've ever met in person / was going to me have gone for greener pastures. I think some have integrated back into the workforce like university and regular jobs because things got a little better in Colombia.
My thesis is that some have moved outside the country think Spain Panama Mexico Dominican Republic and started charging more. Other have gone to only fans. Others just quit. Others got scoped by sugar daddies. Either way hoeflation is real.
[QUOTE=Nomars777;2853601]This trip was so odd. I had been in Bogota the first weekend of August and it followed the standard Santa Fe routine. Street girls, club girls, street girls and done. All good.
Medellin, for whatever reason, became the "novia GFE" trip.
Night 1 - Saturday the 19th. Walking from Lleras toward Calle 10, met a long black haired beautiful semi-indigenous looking girl. High cheekbones, full lips, slim, but with nalguitas that you can get a nice handful of. Went for a drink, had some snacks at the Mexican bar / salsa place just south of Lleras, went across to the super loud club but sat outside and had some drinks. Went to my hotel, no charge to take her up, and we had a nice 1 hour plus time together. Back to the bars, more drinks, back to the hotel more fucking. Then repeated again.
Enjoy![/QUOTE]Same. I'm going to Medellin for 3 months and I have 8 girls that want to meet me and be GFE with. I've met them all before so there's that. Most are cam girls. Also those blakck hair indigenous looking girls are my favoriteeeeeeeeeeeeee. If I see one that doesn't have any problems I'll marry her on the spot. I've met a girl like that from Cali in Santo Domingo the best sex of my life. Called her every day for a week. Do you guys know where they come from? Is Cartagena is it Cordova? Because if is I'm just going to go there and never come back.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2854042]Let me butt in here since I mostly do webcam girls in Colombia.
I know one girl who is doing all of these things and is on seeking I haven't been with her because she is presumably expensive but she's really hot at least her body and she's from seeli. Her name is dianac1998.[/QUOTE]Woah, frikking hot indeed! Yeah that's exactly what I mean, this girl is now not on the streets but doing webcam indeed. And there are a lot more like her. Of course this is at least a partial explanation, that webcam business boomed ever since covid. And even if a girl doesn't do cam ONLY, still, any time she's doing cam she's not on the streets or with one of us :)
I also know some girls who moved out of the country but I find it hard to believe that it's just a sudden outflux to other countries that is THE driving factor behind the hoeflation
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853923]I realized a long time ago that interacting, and trying to give advice to other mongers in Centro that are not your personal friends is a total waste of time.
All mongers, myself included, are going to roll the way they want to with little to no regard to what other mongers think, unless they are personal friends and someone they respect.[/QUOTE]Very few of them speak Spanish. They distrust others, and among themselves, as they are shunned in Colombia and their home country. Probably none of them have college degree and some may have dropped out of high school.
[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2853985]You brought them. Good job.[/QUOTE]Yes, I'm going to go down in infamy here as the board member who single handily ruined mongering in Medellin with all my posts going back several years now.
There's been estimates by others that as a result of all my posts, thousands of new mongers have shown up that have changed the mongering landscape.
I guess I will always just be a pariah for many here as a result of all my posts, but do think many benefited from some of my posts, just like other board members who have been posting here for several years now like myself.
So if I have been able to help others with information here, is that so bad, as isn't that what this Site is for, to help others to monger here.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2854151]Very few of them speak Spanish. They distrust others, and among themselves, as they are shunned in Colombia and their home country. Probably none of them have college degree and some may have dropped out of high school.[/QUOTE]This post made me laugh. When did you conduct your survey and why didn't you include all those that are early retired?
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2854047]Also those blakck hair indigenous looking girls are my favoriteeeeeeeeeeeeee. If I see one that doesn't have any problems I'll marry her on the spot..[/QUOTE]You mean the inca- looking girls? Can't say they are my taste but this shows beauty is inthe eye of the monger.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853923]I realized a long time ago that interacting, and trying to give advice to other mongers in Centro that are not your personal friends is a total waste of time.
All mongers, myself included, are going to roll the way they want to with little to no regard to what other mongers think, unless they are personal friends and someone they respect.[/QUOTE]Surfer dropping gems in here. I abandoned trying to make friends while mongering a long time ago. Straight up watch people pay in dollars and talk about using money exchanges and look the other way now.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2854045]Now all of the girls I've ever met in person / was going to me have gone for greener pastures. I think some have integrated back into the workforce like university and regular jobs .
My thesis is that some have moved outside the country. Other have gone to only fans. Others just quit. Others got scoped by sugar daddies.l.[/QUOTE]Just the normal life cycle of a working girl. Been that way since putadom began.
My GF is webcam model and works with me occasionally for couple stuff. Now she personally wants a threesome but with two guys (off cam). I am in town the month of October staying next to Oviedo Mall. DM me for details. You must be height and weight proportionate, under 55 preferably, straight but not homophobic as you're going to be in a threesome so you might see another dick. She's clean, minimal tattoos, long black hair to her ass, submissive, anal and CIM. She wants to meet at a bar and go from there. Who's up for it?
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2854296]My GF is webcam model and works with me occasionally for couple stuff. Now she personally wants a threesome but with two guys (off cam). I am in town the month of October staying next to Oviedo Mall. DM me for details. You must be height and weight proportionate, under 55 preferably, straight but not homophobic as you're going to be in a threesome so you might see another dick. She's clean, minimal tattoos, long black hair to her ass, submissive, anal and CIM. She wants to meet at a bar and go from there. Who's up for it?[/QUOTE]I'm up for it LOL. What exact dates will you be there? I'll be there the week of Halloween.
A buddy flew in yesterday and was eager to get laid so after getting settled in we headed out around 10 to la isla. As many have reported, I agree it was so much better before covid when you could find a few girls that were friendly with natural bodies, but now it is dominated by the silicone hardcore working girl chicks strictly looking to pull as many pesos they can from the dudes who think they are bigshots making it rain. We left after an hour and headed back down to fase2 where it was a better last night. My buddy spotted a cute spinner and immediately pulled her over to interview her. Very friendly and easy going, he was hooked. They had some drinks and headed to the room. He came back all smiles and we were done for the night, mission accomplished.
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[QUOTE=JustTK;2854216]You mean the inca- looking girls? Can't say they are my taste but this shows beauty is inthe eye of the monger.[/QUOTE]I would be surprised if he meant them. I really like the taller indigenous looking beauties with black hair. There are not many of them hooking. I used to bang one in Abydos back in the day, she had me cumming back for more and I usually rarely repeat.
Seeking is useless here. Girls keep agreeing to meet, then going ghost at the time we schedule, then say "oh sorry I was busy with school, bills, problems etc" Better off just hitting the brothels at least you know you're guaranteed something. If you're a solo traveler and want a companion through seeking, you'll be having your time wasted a lot and your plans for the day ruined.
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2854450]Seeking is useless here. Girls keep agreeing to meet, then going ghost at the time we schedule, then say "oh sorry I was busy with school, bills, problems etc" Better off just hitting the brothels at least you know you're guaranteed something. If you're a solo traveler and want a companion through seeking, you'll be having your time wasted a lot and your plans for the day ruined.[/QUOTE]Colombian women in general are flaky as fuck LOL. I think everyone here knows that. You should always have 3-5 dates lined up ahead of time just in case they flake, which most of them are. You just need 1 that's not going to flake LOL. I was in the same boat as you when I was in Bogota last month. I got around 15-20 Whatsapp numbers from Seeking and ended up banging only 3, but it was worth it. 2 of them I banged twice and will see them again when I come back to Bogota. The other one is a gorgeous 20 yrs old university student who only does it on the side to make extra money for her school expenses. She got a fucking sexy Colombian accent I've ever heard. Talking to her in Spanish just made me horny enough LOL. Sexy moans. Took an hour break after the 1st pop. We've talked about her school and how she makes easy money from her older clients (senior citizens) who just want to see her naked and touch her cause they just can't perform anymore. Banged her again in full mish and finish in doggy. You can find some of my reports in "Bogota reports" section last month August. All 3 of them I met on Seeking. Some are from other online websites.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2854432]II really like the taller indigenous looking beauties with black hair..[/QUOTE]Which ones do you mean? I only know the short and squat ones that wear bright dresses and shuffle to music in the streets.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2854338]I'm up for it LOL. What exact dates will you be there? I'll be there the week of Halloween.[/QUOTE]I am in town the entire month of October. 1-31. DM me and we will connect.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2854506]Colombian women in general are flaky as fuck LOL. I think everyone here knows that. I got around 15-20 Whatsapp numbers from Seeking and ended up banging only 3, but it was worth it. 2 of them I banged twice and will see them again when I come back to Bogota.[/QUOTE]If they don't flake!
[QUOTE=JustTK;2854562]Which ones do you mean? I only know the short and squat ones that wear bright dresses and shuffle to music in the streets.[/QUOTE]Those are the same ones I've seen there as well. I can remember a few years back there was one of them very different than the others walking around selling candy and kind of cute versus the others typically sitting and dancing and asking for coins.
So I decided to interact with her, and gave her some coins for a piece of candy and tried to speak with her but couldn't understand a single word she said as she was speaking some dialect with no Spanish words I could make out.
Oh well, I thought I might be going with another "candy girl" but that wasn't in the cards.
It can consume a lot of time and energy. I don't mind it once every so often.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2854217]Surfer dropping gems in here. I abandoned trying to make friends while mongering a long time ago. Straight up watch people pay in dollars and talk about using money exchanges and look the other way now.[/QUOTE]
I had a bad session in the Channel Hotel behind the church back in 2021. It's all your fault!
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2854197]Yes, I'm going to go down in infamy here as the board member who single handily ruined mongering in Medellin with all my posts going back several years now.
There's been estimates by others that as a result of all my posts, thousands of new mongers have shown up that have changed the mongering landscape.
I guess I will always just be a pariah for many here as a result of all my posts, but do think many benefited from some of my posts, just like other board members who have been posting here for several years now like myself.
So if I have been able to help others with information here, is that so bad, as isn't that what this Site is for, to help others to monger here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2854506]Colombian women in general are flaky as fuck LOL. I think everyone here knows that. You should always have 3-5 dates lined up ahead of time just in case they flake, which most of them are. You just need 1 that's not going to flake LOL. I was in the same boat as you when I was in Bogota last month. I got around 15-20 Whatsapp numbers from Seeking and ended up banging only 3, but it was worth it. 2 of them I banged twice and will see them again when I come back to Bogota. The other one is a gorgeous 20 yrs old university student who only does it on the side to make extra money for her school expenses. She got a fucking sexy Colombian accent I've ever heard. Talking to her in Spanish just made me horny enough LOL. Sexy moans. Took an hour break after the 1st pop. We've talked about her school and how she makes easy money from her older clients (senior citizens) who just want to see her naked and touch her cause they just can't perform anymore. Banged her again in full mish and finish in doggy. You can find some of my reports in "Bogota reports" section last month August. All 3 of them I met on Seeking. Some are from other online websites.[/QUOTE]How much for edit (nvm I found it in your past post) That's how much I pay
[QUOTE=JustTK;2854562]Which ones do you mean? I only know the short and squat ones that wear bright dresses and shuffle to music in the streets.[/QUOTE]An example. Me likee.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2854940]An example. Me likee.[/QUOTE]I have never seen an indigenous woman like this in Centro or anywhere else in Colombia.
Where is this one from, as if I saw something like that roaming around and working I'd go for it, but my last attempt with an indigenous was futile given the language barrier.
I had better luck with a "gypsy" in Croatia, she was an animal, and I couldn't understand a single word, but many times that doesn't even matter as you can have great sessions with no need to communicate verbally.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2854940]An example. Me likee.[/QUOTE]Oh I see. The Amazonas. You don't need to worry about scop w those, you just have to watch out for poison arrows.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2854940]An example. Me likee.[/QUOTE]I think unfortunately their populations the continent over have declined. There are many mixed ones. I pulled one off seeking, actually an economist and fairly attractive. I only sessioned once with her, we spent all day and I gave her some money. I think she said her mom was native indian. Sexually she was meh and though she was nice, not a great personality match for me. I am still in touch, she works as a tour agent putting together group tours from MDE.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2854944]I have never seen an indigenous woman like this in Centro or anywhere else in Colombia.
Where is this one from, as if I saw something like that roaming around and working I'd go for it,[/QUOTE]When I went to Leticia I showed my Amazon guide a picture of an indigenous chicks I got from somewhere, can't remember. I said let's go find her. He said you are not going to find a chick like that in Colombia, only in Brazil or Peru. Later on I wanted to get a shirt made with the image so I did a photo search. Turns out the chick is a Brazilian porn star.
I was going through my old posts and noticed this one about. Leidy Barron (she's on IG). Dear lord, she must be 28 or 29 or so now, since I met her like 8 years ago maybe longer. But gosh darn she looks like a completely different person. These nose jobs, fake booties, and hardcore time spent getting railed really do some damage to these chicas.
[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2468040]I met Leidy when she was 19, so now she is likely 24 (max 25). A few pages ago her Instagram was mentioned.
Being in the game for a long time has clearly changed / damaged her. Back when I first met her she was stunning, already had a nose job and implants, but she was a sight to be seen.
I said I would pay for her taxi, because I thought she lived in Bello.
She pulls up to hotel with her 19 year old Colombian guy friend and I knew he was going to try to scam me for 20 k.
I walked up to his car and called his b S, and said I knew he wasn't a taxi driver.
I paid him because whatever, anyways, once she was chilling in my hotel she admitted that she had her own apartment next to my hotel in el Poblado.
I deleted her number because even though she was a stunner, there's tons more just like her to be found.
As users like TTM, PN and others have explained.[/QUOTE]
Got back recently from my first trip to Medallo. Stayed in an airbnb in a nice area equipped with a bolted-down lock box and a doorman.
Trip summary follows.
1. Thursday afternoon, Fantasia Energy Spa. About 15 chicas presented themselves. None that I found super hot (I prefer lean to athletic, or model types, not big-tits-and-big-ass), but one girl seemed to have a good attitude and reasonable looks. Had a pretty good experience with her. 175000 with a beer, paid before going upstairs.
2. Thursday evening, Parque Lleras. Around 8 pm there were a few dozen girls. By 10 pm probably 100 of them, at the edge of the park, standing on a couple of corners, and outside on La 10. A few who looked good, but were not very engaging. I like a little personality, so passed and went home.
3. Friday evening, Parque Lleras. Similar or slightly higher availability than the night before. Found a girl with looks and personality that I liked, negotiated a price (250000 including orale al naturale, down from an initial ask of 400000), and took her back. Disappointing experience. Once we were back at my place she was no longer fun and flirty. It was more like going to get your teeth cleaned -- all business. After we were done and I paid her, she made an attempt to raid my pants pocket (pants were on the floor) while I was looking away for a second. (There wasn't much there anyway, as all the real goods were locked in the safe.) Sent her away without cabfare.
4. Saturday afternoon, Loutron. A dozen or so girls presented, but I wasn't into any one them. I asked to wait and see more. Five more presented but again nobody I was into. Was asked again for my choice, and again I said I'd wait and see some others. In the next group of five there were two I liked. Picked one, paid at the till (415000 with the beer I drank while waiting). Excellent experience, hot and passionate.
5. Sunday evening. Had planned an evening with a girl from Tinder, with a backup date also planned with another. Both flaked. Looked online and found a nice-looking prepago with an incall in Laureles. Turned out they were operating a sort of mini-casa there -- at least four or five girls working, in a big apartment with as many bedrooms. Cute and fun girl. Pretty good experience. 150000 for an hour plus 60000 for orale al naturale.
6. Monday afternoon, New Life. About 15 girls. 14 were hard no's for me, the other one I guess I could have taken if there were no other options. I left, paid 5000 for my beer and the 3000 viewing fee (which is now charged even if you buy a drink, as per many signs all over the walls.).
7. Monday afternoon, Fantasia Energy again. Much bigger lineup than a few days before -- 25-30 girls. They presented very fast, making it a bit hard to keep track. None that I found super hot, but two or three were not bad. I picked one, she turned out to have fake tits which I don't love. OK experience. 185000 with the beer -- not sure why the price was slightly higher than a few days earlier. (I protested, before going upstairs, but they insisted.).
Overall, these were OK experiences, plus an attempted robbery. Only the relatively expensive Loutron visit was memorable in a good way. Have had better experiences in many places.
Great report. Would you mind sharing the Airbnb name if possible. My PM is active but I was not able to send you any PM.
[QUOTE=Alph8;2855115]Got back recently from my first trip to Medallo. Stayed in an airbnb in a nice area equipped with a bolted-down lock box and a doorman.
Trip summary follows.
1. Thursday afternoon, Fantasia Energy Spa. About 15 chicas presented themselves. None that I found super hot (I prefer lean to athletic, or model types, not big-tits-and-big-ass), but one girl seemed to have a good attitude and reasonable looks. Had a pretty good experience with her. 175000 with a beer, paid before going upstairs.
2. Thursday evening, Parque Lleras. Around 8 pm there were a few dozen girls. By 10 pm probably 100 of them, at the edge of the park, standing on a couple of corners, and outside on La 10. A few who looked good, but were not very engaging. I like a little personality, so passed and went home.
3. Friday evening, Parque Lleras. Similar or slightly higher availability than the night before. Found a girl with looks and personality that I liked, negotiated a price (250000 including orale al naturale, down from an initial ask of 400000), and took her back. Disappointing experience. Once we were back at my place she was no longer fun and flirty. It was more like going to get your teeth cleaned -- all business. After we were done and I paid her, she made an attempt to raid my pants pocket (pants were on the floor) while I was looking away for a second. (There wasn't much there anyway, as all the real goods were locked in the safe.) Sent her away without cabfare..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2854045]I agree but I can't explain where the really hot girls have gone. I started the webcam thing March 2020 the quality was way better then and there were more girls. Now all of the girls I've ever met in person / was going to me have gone for greener pastures. I think some have integrated back into the workforce like university and regular jobs because things got a little better in Colombia.
My thesis is that some have moved outside the country think Spain Panama Mexico Dominican Republic and started charging more. Other have gone to only fans. Others just quit. Others got scoped by sugar daddies. Either way hoeflation is real.[/QUOTE]For a long time I was skeptical of how many girls were actually going to Europe and really making it, but over the past couple of years I've met more and more girls who have gone, returned, or planning to go. I also have a few acquaintances that are Spanish and Italian. They tell me that a large proportion of the higher end P4 P there is Colombiananas and Brazilieras. The one Spaniard even complained to me that the prices at the higher end Rio Termas and Seeking was the same as Madrid, challenging his whole rationale for 'going to the source. '.
The only girls that stay in South America seem to be the ones with kids or other family complications.
[QUOTE=Alph8;2855115]Got back recently from my first trip to Medallo. Stayed in an airbnb in a nice area equipped with a bolted-down lock box and a doorman..[/QUOTE]Wow, you stayed is reportedly safe areas and went to decent and upscale places. Still you experienced an attempted robbery in a short 5 day trip.
I hope the fools that think Medellin is a cakewalk take heed.
[QUOTE=Alph8;2855115] After we were done and I paid her, she made an attempt to raid my pants pocket (pants were on the floor) while I was looking away for a second. (There wasn't much there anyway, as all the real goods were locked in the safe.) Sent her away without cabfare.[/QUOTE]Was she a Venezuelan?
[QUOTE=Alph8;2855115]Got back recently from my first trip to Medallo. Stayed in an airbnb in a nice area equipped with a bolted-down lock box and a doorman,
3. Friday evening, Parque Lleras. Similar or slightly higher availability than the night before. Found a girl with looks and personality that I liked, negotiated a price (250000 including orale al naturale, down from an initial ask of 400000), and took her back. Disappointing experience. Once we were back at my place she was no longer fun and flirty. It was more like going to get your teeth cleaned -- all business. After we were done and I paid her, she made an attempt to raid my pants pocket (pants were on the floor) while I was looking away for a second. (There wasn't much there anyway, as all the real goods were locked in the safe.) Sent her away without cabfare.
Overall, these were OK experiences, plus an attempted robbery. Only the relatively expensive Loutron visit was memorable in a good way. Have had better experiences in many places.[/QUOTE]Nice report with good information for others relative to pricing and your experiences at the different venues.
It can be so hit or miss when pulling a walker no matter where you are in Medellin whether it be Lleras or Centro.
Kind of like a box of mixed chocolates, you never know many times what your going to end up until you get them in the room.
I remember a few times getting a walker in the room, unwrapping her, and as soon as the bra comes off, their boobs fall kind of like runny eggs, or the woman is lactating which I know some guys get off on, but not me, or the girl is so loose my dick is flopping around with no friction inside of her. So in those instances I abort the session if I know I am not going to nut, and do so as nicely as possible without offending them and paying exactly what was agreed to.
Sometimes I wonder if it's a red flag when you meet someone on the street that is to your liking physically wise and personality and fun and flirty on the street, yet as soon as your in the room, boom all business.
Unfortunately a lot of the walkers have the mentality of I'll never see this guy again so fuck it. You would think some of the walkers would provide good service, maybe get a tip, and a repeat, but some are so hardcore and rightly so as they do get hosed a lot by guys.
And the worst part is the attempted robbery part, and since she didn't get anything, just getting her out versus giving her shit about her trying to rip you off is smart to avoid an altercation, as things can get ugly in a hurry, even with Spanish speaking skills.
[QUOTE=Bill;2855232]Wow, you stayed is reportedly safe areas and went to decent and upscale places. Still you experienced an attempted robbery in a short 5 day trip.
I hope the fools that think Medellin is a cakewalk take heed.[/QUOTE]What does any of the other stuff have to do with a Lleras Park chick trying to steal money out of his pants? It was not an attempted robbery, but an attempted sticky fingers, which is to be expected when doing street shit.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2854944]I have never seen an indigenous woman like this in Centro or anywhere else in Colombia.
Where is this one from, as if I saw something like that roaming around and working I'd go for it, but my last attempt with an indigenous was futile given the language barrier.
I had better luck with a "gypsy" in Croatia, she was an animal, and I couldn't understand a single word, but many times that doesn't even matter as you can have great sessions with no need to communicate verbally.[/QUOTE]I have never seen anyone like this hooking on the streets in Centro neither but have seen them in a few casas, Energy for example and the girl in the photo is almost a spitting image of a girl I used to bang in Abydos years ago.
Abydos, wow now you are really throwing it back.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2855308]I have never seen anyone like this hooking on the streets in Centro neither but have seen them in a few casas, Energy for example and the girl in the photo is almost a spitting image of a girl I used to bang in Abydos years ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851479]So this girl from pereira wants to come see me in Medellin, I'm not to sure, she's 20 and I just found out she has a kid and is a single mom, what you guys think.[/QUOTE]Too skinny for me. Ask her if she has girlfriend with big boobs.
As many Colombians who want or have the wherewithal to go to Europe have had that option now that all but a small number of countries there only require tourist visas. Those who want to the option of return visits follow rules to extend or leave and those who are there for all they can get out of a one time visit do what the hell they want before packing it in. Inflation cuts into what used to be a big earnings premium compared to what they can do back in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2855227]For a long time I was skeptical of how many girls were actually going to Europe and really making it, but over the past couple of years I've met more and more girls who have gone, returned, or planning to go. I also have a few acquaintances that are Spanish and Italian. They tell me that a large proportion of the higher end P4 P there is Colombiananas and Brazilieras. The one Spaniard even complained to me that the prices at the higher end Rio Termas and Seeking was the same as Madrid, challenging his whole rationale for 'going to the source. '.
The only girls that stay in South America seem to be the ones with kids or other family complications.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2855511]As many Colombians who want or have the wherewithal to go to Europe have had that option now that all but a small number of countries there only require tourist visas. Those who want to the option of return visits follow rules to extend or leave and those who are there for all they can get out of a one time visit do what the hell they want before packing it in. Inflation cuts into what used to be a big earnings premium compared to what they can do back in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I go quite often to Madrid and Colombianas and Paraguay girls are all around. Average price is 100€/ H.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2855511]As many Colombians who want or have the wherewithal to go to Europe have had that option now that all but a small number of countries there only require tourist visas. Those who want to the option of return visits follow rules to extend or leave and those who are there for all they can get out of a one time visit do what the hell they want before packing it in. Inflation cuts into what used to be a big earnings premium compared to what they can do back in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I also think is a very small percentage that are successful. Unless they are super hot or very smart it is very hard for a Latin girl to be successful in the states or Europe now. Unless they are willing to grind away in a strip bar or get married it would be pretty difficult for them.
I meet a lot of college girls on SA in CDMX, they will come to visit me at my place and almost none of them have a computer. I always ask and they say they do not need one, I am shocked. They are so far behind the Euros and Americans in computer skills it will be almost impossible for them to succeed, Not to mention the language skills. The Colombian girls that contact me on SA most refuse to speak English. I doubt this will fly in Europe when they are unwilling to speak the native language.
The few that are willing to put the hard work in with language / computer skills will be successful, but from what I have seen, most would fail horribly.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvozb5eL2F8[/URL]
Let's go.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2855594][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvozb5eL2F8[/URL]
Let's go.[/QUOTE]Why would I want to go to that? It looks like some overpriced tourist / gringo bullshit. No ill stick to Centro or my barrio thank you.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2855583]I also think is a very small percentage that are successful. Unless they are super hot or very smart it is very hard for a Latin girl to be successful in the states or Europe now. Unless they are willing to grind away in a strip bar or get married it would be pretty difficult for them.
I meet a lot of college girls on SA in CDMX, they will come to visit me at my place and almost none of them have a computer. I always ask and they say they do not need one, I am shocked. They are so far behind the Euros and Americans in computer skills it will be almost impossible for them to succeed, Not to mention the language skills. The Colombian girls that contact me on SA most refuse to speak English. I doubt this will fly in Europe when they are unwilling to speak the native language.
The few that are willing to put the hard work in with language / computer skills will be successful, but from what I have seen, most would fail horribly.[/QUOTE]They don't need computer skills for hooking. Nor to learn a new language if working in Spain or other Spanish-speaking countries.
Yes, that is my experience as well, in Spain, Italy, France, and Portugal. In Italy and France they've been priced out by more so by the eastern Europeans and the Africans.
[QUOTE=Carle;2855567]I go quite often to Madrid and Colombianas and Paraguay girls are all around. Average price is 100/ H.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2855583]I also think is a very small percentage that are successful. Unless they are super hot or very smart it is very hard for a Latin girl to be successful in the states or Europe now. Unless they are willing to grind away in a strip bar or get married it would be pretty difficult for them.
Eh? Why would they need to do any of that if they are willing to spread their legs and find sugar relationships etc.
I meet a lot of college girls on SA in CDMX, they will come to visit me at my place and almost none of them have a computer. I always ask and they say they do not need one, I am shocked. They are so far behind the Euros and Americans in computer skills it will be almost impossible for them to succeed, Not to mention the language skills. The Colombian girls that contact me on SA most refuse to speak English. I doubt this will fly in Europe when they are unwilling to speak the native language.
The few that are willing to put the hard work in with language / computer skills will be successful, but from what I have seen, most would fail horribly.[/QUOTE]Eh? Why any of that when they ready to open their legs for $. They'll have plenty of prospects stateside.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2855511]As many Colombians who want or have the wherewithal to go to Europe have had that option now that all but a small number of countries there only require tourist visas. Those who want to the option of return visits follow rules to extend or leave and those who are there for all they can get out of a one time visit do what the hell they want before packing it in. Inflation cuts into what used to be a big earnings premium compared to what they can do back in Colombia.[/QUOTE]They face the same cost of living delta in EU /US v Colombia. So I would argue 200 mil is the equivalent of $100 or $150 here, adjusting for cost of living.
[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2851437]Didn't we kill Pablo for them. Why do they hate us again. Is this hatred for Americans that seems to be worldwide a jealousy thing or is it the war mongering thing. If it's the war mongering, I understand but any other reason seems odd. Especially since we give billions of aid everywhere with money we have to borrow. LOL.[/QUOTE]We also put our nose everywhere it doesn't belong, claim to spread our values when 1/2 our nation doesn't even agree on some of them, and generally act like we have a chip on our shoulder, and we weaponize our $ and financial system left and right. We also have a global taxation system and lecture others about printing $ when we do it ourselves, so yeah I think people would like an America that is live and let live. The so called rules based order is really our rules.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2855583]I also think is a very small percentage that are successful. Unless they are super hot or very smart it is very hard for a Latin girl to be successful in the states or Europe now. Unless they are willing to grind away in a strip bar or get married it would be pretty difficult for them.[/QUOTE]Most don't go to Europe to be "successful. " They go because someone told them they can make more money, either through legitimate jobs, like modeling, or hooking. I know of several who have done well modeling in Europe. The ones who go to hook, usually don't fare as well. The people who recruit and pay their way take much of what they earn.
[QUOTE]I meet a lot of college girls on SA in CDMX, they will come to visit me at my place and almost none of them have a computer. I always ask and they say they do not need one, I am shocked. They are so far behind the Euros and Americans in computer skills it will be almost impossible for them to succeed, Not to mention the language skills. The Colombian girls that contact me on SA most refuse to speak English. I doubt this will fly in Europe when they are unwilling to speak the native language.[/QUOTE]Most can't afford a computer. If they had spare money to buy a computer they wouldn't be selling pussy. Also, most college girls selling pussy aren't enrolled at any university. However, saying "I'm in university and need extra money for expenses" almost always guarantees more money than "I fuck for money. " A dead giveaway is a "college girl" who says she doesn't need a computer. Unless the college only teaches cosmetology, any college student without a computer recognizes the need.
You're still going with the "refuse to speak English" crap? You're unlikely to find many Colombians, who are selling pussy, who can speak English. If they could speak English they would have a legit job. There's a big demand for people who are bilingual. Not speaking a language they don't know isn't a refusal.
The native language in Europe isn't English, excluding England, which is no longer part of the EU. It's German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Greek and a bunch of others. Granted, a significant portion of the population of Europe is bilingual and can speak English.
For the record, more people speak Spanish as their native tongue (6% of the population) than speak English (5. 1% which is tied with Arabic.
[QUOTE]The few that are willing to put the hard work in with language / computer skills will be successful, but from what I have seen, most would fail horribly.[/QUOTE]It's not from a lack of effort. There's this thing, it exists all over the world, and is a big problem in Colombia. It's called "poverty. " People who live in poverty usually don't have access to advanced education. Learning to speak another language is difficult and takes time and money. Learning computer skills takes time and money. The people in Colombia who can afford to learn those things already have sufficient money. They don't need to sell pussy to strangers.
[QUOTE=QueRico;2855594][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvozb5eL2F8[/URL]
Let's go.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's real but those aren't all working girls. Most of the video was shot in Provenza which has very few p4 p chicas, just girls out for a night on the town. Some of it was shot on Calle 10, which does have hookers lurking around. Be careful propositioning those Provenza girls.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2855674]They face the same cost of living delta in EU /US v Colombia. So I would argue 200 mil is the equivalent of $100 or $150 here, adjusting for cost of living.[/QUOTE]2 things here:
1. You ignore supply, demand, and local taxes / tariffs. These are all very important and prevent real prices being the same worldwide.
2. You are comparing the price of salt with saffron. EUR 100 is a price for local people. Same price in Col is COP 40.000. Your 200.000 is a price invented to rip off tourists only.
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-09-13/tourism-remote-workers-in-medellin-spark-local-tensions[/URL]
[QUOTE=Turgid;2854432]I would be surprised if he meant them. I really like the taller indigenous looking beauties with black hair. There are not many of them hooking. I used to bang one in Abydos back in the day, she had me cumming back for more and I usually rarely repeat.[/QUOTE]I'm talking about girls like this. Definitely my type. I find more of them in small Colombian cities and from.
Venezuela. Think Veronica Rodriguez back in the day. This girl is the best girl I've ever found. Met her in Dominican Republic and did some traveling with her. Best sex of my life. Too bad I had to leave her because she's mad disrespectful.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2855227]For a long time I was skeptical of how many girls were actually going to Europe and really making it, but over the past couple of years I've met more and more girls who have gone, returned, or planning to go. I also have a few acquaintances that are Spanish and Italian. They tell me that a large proportion of the higher end P4 P there is Colombiananas and Brazilieras. The one Spaniard even complained to me that the prices at the higher end Rio Termas and Seeking was the same as Madrid, challenging his whole rationale for 'going to the source. '.
The only girls that stay in South America seem to be the ones with kids or other family complications.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. That jibes with what I have heard from the non-pros. Also, Europe is safer than Colombia. I have no data to support it but I suspect the Colombians are a lot less cocky in Europe than they are in Mexico. I think the Mexican men pump up Colombian women too much.
After heading to Venezuela given all their Miss Universe wins, I was greatly disappointed with the women in Venezuela. Thing is I did see stunning Venezuelans. They were just not in Venezuela.
FWIW, all my gal's friends who have been to the USA and Europe prefer Europe. Except for family and money issues, I think most would move to Europe if they could. It makes sense that if you want a really hot Colombian, you might be better off looking to Spain than Colombia.
If you want a really hot Colombian and not pay through the nose, you need to go to places where the tourists are not. I cannot believe how much English I have heard in Medellin and Cartagena.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855684]
Most can't afford a computer. If they had spare money to buy a computer they wouldn't be selling pussy. Also, most college girls selling pussy aren't enrolled at any university. However, saying "I'm in university and need extra money for expenses" almost always guarantees more money than "I fuck for money. " A dead giveaway is a "college girl" who says she doesn't need a computer. Unless the college only teaches cosmetology, any college student without a computer recognizes the need.
.[/QUOTE]Most CAN afford a computer, but prefer to spend money on something else or simply don't need one because they are not in college. If a girl can afford one of the newest iPhones, and a lot of girls have them, she can afford to buy a used computer. Or sell pussy for a week or two and earn enough to buy one.
Weeding out girls who are not in college but say they are, is monger's responsibility. Those who pretend to be in college are easy to spot. Ask a few questions about her school and studies, check out her social media (does she have photos with her schoolmates? Wearing uniform if she is a medical student? Etc), see what her schedule / availability looks like, etc.
Legit college students would not sell pussy on the street. They are discreet and don't want to be seen hooking in a public place. So when you pick a hooker at Lleras or El Centro, chances are she never been enrolled at a university and whatever she is saying about college is BS.
I have had arrangements with college girls, and never had issues. All were legit and were happily sharing with me pics of them in class and discussing their studies and plans after graduation. Typical Lleras hoe with a lollipop in her mouth, and a bag of tussi in her purse has never set foot in college.
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2855674]They face the same cost of living delta in EU /US v Colombia. So I would argue 200 mil is the equivalent of $100 or $150 here, adjusting for cost of living.[/QUOTE]For many of them it is an opportunity to travel, see the world, take nice pics, brag about their trip to amigas who couldn't make it. Also there is a chance to meet a wealthy European sugar daddy. Even if they break even after the trip, it's all good.
Yeah, she must be old and ragged as hell by now. I used to think she looked pretty good, but then she started to post videos of herself putting make-up on. And you realized how unattractive she really is. The face, not to mention all of the other work she's had done. I prefer natural "girl next door" type who don't need much make-up and certainly don't need implants, lipo, veneers, tatooed eyebrows, etc.
[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2855043]I was going through my old posts and noticed this one about. Leidy Barron (she's on IG). Dear lord, she must be 28 or 29 or so now, since I met her like 8 years ago maybe longer. But gosh darn she looks like a completely different person. These nose jobs, fake booties, and hardcore time spent getting railed really do some damage to these chicas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2855789]Very interesting. That jibes with what I have heard from the non-pros. Also, Europe is safer than Colombia. I have no data to support it but I suspect the Colombians are a lot less cocky in Europe than they are in Mexico. I think the Mexican men pump up Colombian women too much.
After heading to Venezuela given all their Miss Universe wins, I was greatly disappointed with the women in Venezuela. Thing is I did see stunning Venezuelans. They were just not in Venezuela.
FWIW, all my gal's friends who have been to the USA and Europe prefer Europe. Except for family and money issues, I think most would move to Europe if they could. It makes sense that if you want a really hot Colombian, you might be better off looking to Spain than Colombia.
If you want a really hot Colombian and not pay through the nose, you need to go to places where the tourists are not. I cannot believe how much English I have heard in Medellin and Cartagena.[/QUOTE]You've been to Venezuela?
[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2855838]Yeah, she must be old and ragged as hell by now. I used to think she looked pretty good, but then she started to post videos of herself putting make-up on. And you realized how unattractive she really is. The face, not to mention all of the other work she's had done. I prefer natural "girl next door" type who don't need much make-up and certainly don't need implants, lipo, veneers, tatooed eyebrows, etc.[/QUOTE]I remember she could be had for 250-300 mil. And as her value has completely decreased she thinks she's worth 300 usd for an hour LOL. These mde girls are absolutely delusional.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2855827]Most CAN afford a computer, but prefer to spend money on something else or simply don't need one because they are not in college. If a girl can afford one of the newest iPhones, and a lot of girls have them, she can afford to buy a used computer. Or sell pussy for a week or two and earn enough to buy one.
Weeding out girls who are not in college but say they are, is monger's responsibility. Those who pretend to be in college are easy to spot. Ask a few questions about her school and studies, check out her social media (does she have photos with her schoolmates? Wearing uniform if she is a medical student? Etc), see what her schedule / availability looks like, etc.
Legit college students would not sell pussy on the street. They are discreet and don't want to be seen hooking in a public place. So when you pick a hooker at Lleras or El Centro, chances are she never been enrolled at a university and whatever she is saying about college is BS.
I have had arrangements with college girls, and never had issues. All were legit and were happily sharing with me pics of them in class and discussing their studies and plans after graduation. Typical Lleras hoe with a lollipop in her mouth, and a bag of tussi in her purse has never set foot in college.[/QUOTE]Did you lose track of the conversation, or did you think you could score a few points?
Dramafree was talking about Colombian women on Seeking in CDMX. No connection to street hookers in Lleras or El Centro. I also have no connection to street hookers in Lleras or El Centro, so there appears to be no reason to insert them into the discussion.
Most Colombian women who are selling pussy can afford computers? Really? Or are you talking about most college students you have had arrangements with? I'm asking because I've been to Colombia and I've met Colombians, including a lot who were selling pussy. I suppose if they gave up eating and having a place to live, most could afford a computer. However, since most have no use for a computer, and do need food and a place to live, they foolishly don't buy computers.
Most can't afford the newest IPhones either. However, there are a lot of guys who buy the newest iPhones for girls, especially girls who are selling pussy. Did you not know that's where all those new phones come from?
Why is weeding out girls who are really in college from girls pretending to be in college anyone's responsibility? They are women you pay to fuck. Other men also pay them to fuck. Whether they're enrolled in university, or never graduated high school, doesn't have any relevance. The entire subject only serves 2 purposes:
1. It ensures women will be paid more for their pussy from naive guys.
2. It allows foolish guys to pretend they're not paying a prostitute, when they're paying a prostitute.
Just a side note. Did you know that students studying to be dental assistants, certified nursing assistants and many other non-degree medical field jobs, wear the exact same uniforms as those studying to be nurses and doctors?
Back to the subject, legit college students. Dramafree claimed all of the college students without computers, stated they didn't need a computer, when he asked. I'm assuming he asks because he is willing to buy them a computer. Otherwise, why ask? Would you ask a woman if she needs taxi money and then refuse to give it if she needed it? Answer the question. Do you believe no legit college student would accept the offer of a free computer?
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2855788]I'm talking about girls like this. Definitely my type. I find more of them in small Colombian cities and from.
[/QUOTE]I could def be wrong but she just looks like a typical morena to me. W plastic tits. Doesn't look indigenous in the slightest. I spose her disabuela could be.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2855850]You've been to Venezuela?[/QUOTE]Yeah, and the two border crossings where I not only saw but felt the differences in country was from the USSR to Finland and Venezuela to Colombia. I never thought I would feel a country as hopeless as the old USSR until I went to Venezuela, and it is worse now than when I went.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2855995]I could def be wrong but she just looks like a typical morena to me. W plastic tits. Doesn't look indigenous in the slightest. I spose her disabuela could be.[/QUOTE]I agree she looks like an average costeña / Morena with bolt-ONS not indigenous looking in the least.
Also indigenous women don't have bolt-ONS, how do I know you may wonder, it's because I met one before lmao.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]Most can't afford the newest IPhones either. However, there are a lot of guys who buy the newest iPhones for girls, especially girls who are selling pussy. Did you not know that's where all those new phones come from?[/QUOTE]How do guys that pay for pussy not realize this? So this bich does not have a car, a motorcycle, an authentic luxury purse, nice shoes, flooring in the house, or even 20,000 pesos for a taxi, but bought herself a 6 million peso phone? Most of them are stupid, but they are not that stupid. And if you see her with an iPhone that she did buy herself, then she has sense enough to buy a fake one. Just because the outside says iPhone, does not mean the inside says iPhone.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]Why is weeding out girls who are really in college from girls pretending to be in college anyone's responsibility? They are women you pay to fuck. Other men also pay them to fuck. Whether they're enrolled in university, or never graduated high school, doesn't have any relevance. The entire subject only serves 2 purposes:
1. It ensures women will be paid more for their pussy from naive guys.
2. It allows foolish guys to pretend they're not paying a prostitute, when they're paying a prostitute.[/QUOTE]You are telling the truth today. That is why I am always confused when hookers put university student on their profile. What the fuck does that have to do with what I am hiring her for? I am not looking for a study buddy. Putting her mom is a carpenter would serve the same purpose: None!
Provenza is chock a block with prepagos.
[QUOTE=Shemp;2855693]Yeah, it's real but those aren't all working girls. Most of the video was shot in Provenza which has very few p4 p chicas, just girls out for a night on the town. Some of it was shot on Calle 10, which does have hookers lurking around. Be careful propositioning those Provenza girls.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2856064]Provenza is chock a block with prepagos.[/QUOTE]I have been up in Provenza a few times in the last month on a Friday night, and there are a lot of single girls walking around, but I did not seen any tale tell signs, like around LLeras and Calle 10 of SW's giving males the google eye and hoots as they pass by.
Perhaps I have totally missed seeing any walkers up there during my very brief past visits, unless of course your referring to Prepagos who only work the Internet, versus being walkers.
I can't envision the SW scene spilling over into Provenza, but who knows, with all the increase in tourism, maybe it already has if that is what your aware of, and if so, are you aware of any specific locations in Provenza where SW's have been spotted as that would be interesting information. Kind of like around Dominos on Calle 10, but in Provenza. I always look around the bridge crossing the Quebrada when I'm up there but haven't noticed anything, as my monger radar is always on when I'm up in that area.
As far as the politics for Provenza, I have no clue about this.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856048]I agree she looks like an average costea / Morena with bolt-ONS not indigenous looking in the least.
Also indigenous women don't have bolt-ONS, how do I know you may wonder, it's because I met one before lmao.[/QUOTE]Now your talkin sense. Hehe.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856054]How do guys that pay for pussy not realize this? So this bich does not have a car, a motorcycle, an authentic luxury purse, nice shoes, flooring in the house, or even 20,000 pesos for a taxi, but bought herself a 6 million peso phone? Most of them are stupid, but they are not that stupid. And if you see her with an iPhone that she did buy herself, then she has sense enough to buy a fake one. Just because the outside says iPhone, does not mean the inside says iPhone.
You are telling the truth today. That is why I am always confused when hookers put university student on their profile. What the fuck does that have to do with what I am hiring her for? I am not looking for a study buddy. Putting her mom is a carpenter would serve the same purpose: None![/QUOTE]Who are these guys buying hookers newest iPhones? I don't know a single monger who would do that. We are talking about prepagos, right? If we are, then it makes zero sense to buy an expensive phone to some random hooker that charges you by the hour. Real relationships or some long-term SB-SD arrangements is a different story.
Why does it have to be a 6 mil peso iPhone? She can get a used one, 12 or 13 model for much less. Average Lleras hoe can make 300 mil cop per night, serving just 1 dude. 5 times x week = 1,500,000 cop. Do your math. Its not a rocket science. These hoes can make much more than a cashier at Burger King and can easily afford a freaking iphone or a computer. Do you realize she can get a payment plan and pay it off over a year or two? Your claim that every hoe's iPhone is a gift from some sucker is bullshit.
Speaking of college girls, if she is legit college girl its a great plus for me personally. I would rather spend my time with someone more educated, someone with goals in life other than party and drugs, someone who doesn't fuck dudes for living but rather to supplement income or pay for school expenses. Some do speak English, which is also a plus. But I understand your point of view, if you are fine with a 15 minute quickie with a street girl, you could care less if she is in college or not. My target audience is different than yours.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]Dramafree claimed all of the college students without computers, stated they didn't need a computer, when he asked. I'm assuming he asks because he is willing to buy them a computer. Otherwise, why ask? Would you ask a woman if she needs taxi money and then refuse to give it if she needed it?[/QUOTE]It is a good question. I wish I would have thought to ask it because every girl I was interested in long term ended up having a laptop.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]Most Colombian women who are selling pussy can afford computers? Really? Or are you talking about most college students you have had arrangements with? I'm asking because I've been to Colombia and I've met Colombians, including a lot who were selling pussy.[/QUOTE]90% of what women bring to relationships is sex, and 90% of what men bring is money. The only women you think not selling sex are either filthy rich or the ones dating you.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]I suppose if they gave up eating and having a place to live, most could afford a computer.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that sounds like the women you "date". All my gal's friends have computers and many have cars. Heck, an 18 year old cousin of hers worked hard and paid for a trip for her and her sister to Europe.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]Just a side note. Did you know that students studying to be dental assistants, certified nursing assistants and many other non-degree medical field jobs, wear the exact same uniforms as those studying to be nurses and doctors?[/QUOTE]And here we go again. You and your fellow Medellin morons think that if anyone is dating an elite Colombian woman, it is a con. Yes, all those photos my gal showed me of her in Europe and Mexico were fake. So are those of all of her friends and family. They were ALL photoshopped. The cars her friends drive are rentals or from sugar daddies. None have decent paying jobs of their own. Every car on the roads is owned by men, and it is the same with all the cattle in the countryside. They are all 100% owned by men.
And the female students who know anatomy, ask me about physiology, and have textbooks costing hundreds of dollars were also putting on an elaborate act. They are such good fucking con women that we are powerless to detect which women are professional students and those who are not. We need you, Professor Shit for Brains truck driver, to tell us which women are true working professionals and which are not. In the incredibly wise words of you Professor Shit for Brains, if this women are professional, they would not be interested in you. Of course, it does not matter that you do not know the specific men and women in question.
What we know about you is you didn't pay a dime in rent in over a year, had no hot water, begged guys to help you, got a device that goes for a whopping $35 on Amazon, and bragged about having hot water.
So let me make this statement. If you think having hot water is something to brag about, the elite Colombian women are not going to be interested in you. In your case, the women are not the con artists. You are!!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2855939]
Most Colombian women who are selling pussy can afford computers? Really? Or are you talking about most college students you have had arrangements with? I'm asking because I've been to Colombia and I've met Colombians, including a lot who were selling pussy. I suppose if they gave up eating and having a place to live, most could afford a computer. However, since most have no use for a computer, and do need food and a place to live, they foolishly don't buy computers.
[/QUOTE]Looks like the only Colombianas you are dealing with are dirt poor ones. Those who have no flooring in their house, starving every day, etc. Thank god, I have met different girls and our paths with the ones you mentioned do not cross.
The girls I have had arrangements with have flooring in their house, have TVs and computers, and don't have to eat out of trash containers. I have never been asked to buy them a computer, and never offered them to buy one (why would I? Once I was asked to help with repairing one due to the screen damage. I don't buy chicks iPhones and never been asked to buy one. I would only do that If I were in a relationship, there is nothing wrong with buying your GF an iPhone or a computer for her birthday. I can, and do once in a while, buy chicks some sexy lingerie, or a dress. Maybe a sexy perfume. Because I enjoy when the chick I have an arrangement with, looks sexy and smells good.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856095]Who are these guys buying hookers newest iPhones? I don't know a single monger who would do that. We are talking about prepagos, right?[/QUOTE]The same guys flying them to Cartagena, Cancun, Europe, giving them $300 for a couple of hours, etc. I do not have any friends that are mongers that would do that, but evidently many guys do because it has been announced enough on this board.
A lot of guys here talking out of line about things they really don't know. Also too many bitter mongers here worrying about what girls have and think they deserve based on their own budget. You guys need to wake up.
These top girls during a 7-10 year period of their lives will live like millionaires. There will always be a guy that buys them cars phones bags and pay for all their trips.
If you meet one of these over the hill 28-30 year old plastic hookers ask them their life story. I'll give you an example.
A famous mansion girl Alexandra.
You guys seen her with cars traveling to almost every country in the world with brand name designer bags etc etc.
How about Marcela Morales. She's in Europe with her sugar daddy and acts like she never hooked before when I know she's taken at least 100 dicks in her mouth.
This is their life. And there's another level to mongering too. It's called I got FU money and I'll do as I please. I'll fly the girl to my place and buy her whatever the fuck she wants just so I can have her at my beck and call. These are the same girls some of you like to say ain't worth more than 200 mil. And maybe you're right. But realize you're not playing on that level. So stop making assumptions.
Most hot girls will use her prime to do more than most middle income people will do in a lifetime and this is just facts.
They trade 7-10 years of their life for what's almost a certain 30-40 years of poverty unless they're smart enough to save which 99% aren't. So accept this and move on.
If you want a top notch girl and she's been exposed to big things you're going to have to pay big $$. Unless you're grandfathered in.
It really depends on which point of their life you're meeting them at.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856114]The same guys flying them to Cartagena, Cancun, Europe, giving them $300 for a couple of hours, etc. I do not have any friends that are mongers that would do that, but evidently many guys do because it has been announced enough on this board.[/QUOTE]If a girl can get $300 for a couple of hours (and very very few can), she can easily afford to buy herself the newest iphone, clothes, etc. Even travel on her own dime. The girls who get those rates consistently, are doing well, and definitely don't live in a shack with no flooring.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856168]If a girl can get $300 for a couple of hours (and very very few can), she can easily afford to buy herself the newest iphone, clothes, etc. Even travel on her own dime. The girls who get those rates consistently, are doing well, and definitely don't live in a shack with no flooring.[/QUOTE]$300 is 200,000 Colombian Pesos. I know a few girls that might get that much one or twice a month but consistently? Probably can count the number of girls who can pull that in on a consistent basis on one hand. And most of them are touring Europe or the Middle East. They aren't sitting at home waiting for their "I-phone" to ring.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2856151]A lot of guys here talking out of line about things they really don't know. Also too many bitter mongers here worrying about what girls have and think they deserve based on their own budget. You guys need to wake up.
These top girls during a 7-10 year period of their lives will live like millionaires. There will always be a guy that buys them cars phones bags and pay for all their trips.
If you meet one of these over the hill 28-30 year old plastic hookers ask them their life story. I'll give you an example.
A famous mansion girl Alexandra.
You guys seen her with cars traveling to almost every country in the world with brand name designer bags etc etc.
How about Marcela Morales. She's in Europe with her sugar daddy and acts like she never hooked before when I know she's taken at least 100 dicks in her mouth.
This is their life. And there's another level to mongering too. It's called I got FU money and I'll do as I please. I'll fly the girl to my place and buy her whatever the fuck she wants just so I can have her at my beck and call. These are the same girls some of you like to say ain't worth more than 200 mil. And maybe you're right. But realize you're not playing on that level. So stop making assumptions.
Most hot girls will use her prime to do more than most middle income people will do in a lifetime and this is just facts..[/QUOTE]I am with you on the fact that no one has a right to fuck anyone based on what they think that person should accept. There is no benefit in being bitter over someone not accepting what you deem they should accept. The same girl who has taken 200,000 COP might get $300 USD. *That same girl might get flown out to the DR, France, or Croatia.
However, we can also acknowledge idiocy.
Case in point. Agent 0, Former Wizards NBA star who earned nearly $200 M (this does not include any endorsement money), and now has one of the biggest sports podcasts which will undoubtedly land him a huge media contract if he decides to partner, has more fucking money than anyone who has read this damn forum at any point. And he manages to refrain from gallivanting with and spending excessive amount of money on working girls, because, no matter how you cut it, it would be fucking dumb. Openly talks about it on his streams.
"Women out here they want the Birkin Bags, they want to eat. Like 3 x a day. Fuck. *They want to go out places and they don't want to go to regular places, they want to go to all the expensive ass places. *Movies, first class tickets to shit, they want to go on vacation. There are a lot of things that come with, you know, when I can just pay $200-$250 and get right to the good stuff."
He also lays out how he "shops" on Instagram, and his DMs are all hoes. And he laughs at some of their prices, because any sane person would laugh at $5,000, no matter how much money they have.
So a 9 figure net worth individual doesn't have to wine and dine working girls. To do so is a choice, not a state of normalcy simply because one has FU money. That "level" of paying far more than you need to has nothing to do with having a staggering net worth. Or is it impossible for someone with a stratospheric net worth to do something stupid as fuck with their money?
[QUOTE=JohnS123;2856196]I am with you on the fact that no one has a right to fuck anyone based on what they think that person should accept. There is no benefit in being bitter over someone not accepting what you deem they should accept. The same girl who has taken 200,000 COP might get $300 USD. *That same girl might get flown out to the DR, France, or Croatia.
However, we can also acknowledge idiocy.
Case in point. Agent 0, Former Wizards NBA star who earned nearly $200 M (this does not include any endorsement money), and now has one of the biggest sports podcasts which will undoubtedly land him a huge media contract if he decides to partner, has more fucking money than anyone who has read this damn forum at any point. And he manages to refrain from gallivanting with and spending excessive amount of money on working girls, because, no matter how you cut it, it would be fucking dumb. Openly talks about it on his streams.
"Women out here they want the Birkin Bags, they want to eat. Like 3 x a day. Fuck. *They want to go out places and they don't want to go to regular places, they want to go to all the expensive ass places. *Movies, first class tickets to shit, they want to go on vacation. There are a lot of things that come with, you know, when I can just pay $200-$250 and get right to the good stuff."
He also lays out how he "shops" on Instagram, and his DMs are all hoes. And he laughs at some of their prices, because any sane person would laugh at $5,000, no matter how much money they have.
So a 9 figure net worth individual doesn't have to wine and dine working girls. To do so is a choice, not a state of normalcy simply because one has FU money. That "level" of paying far more than you need to has nothing to do with having a staggering net worth. Or is it impossible for someone with a stratospheric net worth to do something stupid as fuck with their money?[/QUOTE]But what's the point?? The issue is that it exists. And if one has a 9 figure net worth he's more likely not taking that approach. Mongering in itself is a hobby or luxury. It's not a necessity. And just with all other luxuries there's levels to it. A hand bag can cost 100 $ or 100,000.
You only live once so whatever your budget live to the fullest and stop worrying about what others have. It's amazing how some guys want to count girls money then get upset about it. If a girl is smart enough to hustle a good life for herself more power to her. As for me I spend what I want as long as I get what I'm paying for.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856095]Who are these guys buying hookers newest iPhones? I don't know a single monger who would do that. We are talking about prepagos, right? If we are, then it makes zero sense to buy an expensive phone to some random hooker that charges you by the hour. Real relationships or some long-term SB-SD arrangements is a different story.[/QUOTE]Who? Guys who think they're in an exclusive SB / SD relationship with them, guys who think they are just "supplementing their income" and many other types. I'll even give you an example.
About 25 years ago, one of my best friends, and fuck buddies, was a stripper. She was one of those who really was a college student when she started stripping. She had 2 special customers. One of them took her on trips all over the world, gave her the down-payment for her house and bought her an Infiniti. The other one dropped a few thousand on her each month and bought her a Harley, just a Sportster, but still a chunk. Both thought she was exclusive with them.
My old roommate had guys buying her iMacs, DSLR cameras, or just giving her ridiculous money. And those were guys who had only seen her on webcam. There is no shortage of guys who'll spend crazy money on a girl they barely know.
I even told this one before. A Venezuelan waitress I had gotten to know brought a gringo to me one morning while I was having breakfast. He wanted me to translate. First time in Colombia, he had fallen in love with her (and she wasn't super gorgeous or anything). He wanted me to explain that he was going to send her $250 every week until he could come back and marry her. He'd known her for 3 days.
[QUOTE]Why does it have to be a 6 mil peso iPhone? She can get a used one, 12 or 13 model for much less. Average Lleras hoe can make 300 mil cop per night, serving just 1 dude. 5 times x week = 1,500,000 cop. Do your math. Its not a rocket science. These hoes can make much more than a cashier at Burger King and can easily afford a freaking iphone or a computer. Do you realize she can get a payment plan and pay it off over a year or two? Your claim that every hoe's iPhone is a gift from some sucker is bullshit.[/QUOTE]Why? Because you're the one who said "girls who have the newest iPhones. " I'm just guessing that the "newest iPhones" aren't used and 1 to 2 years old. Maybe "newest" means something different to you.
A typical, blah, blah, blah, can make 300 k in a night, minus 50 k for taxis. However, most of them can't make that every night. If they're lucky, twice a week. Most can't easily afford anything. Why? Because most of them have no sense when it comes to money. They get money and they spend it, usually on stuff they don't need.
Then there's the hooker mentality (although you can find it in any job that pays cash daily). If you get a good payday, then you party until you're broke, or you stay at home until you're broke. Very few hookers treat it like a real job, showing up every day, giving max effort and saving money.
[QUOTE]Speaking of college girls, if she is legit college girl its a great plus for me personally. I would rather spend my time with someone more educated, someone with goals in life other than party and drugs, someone who doesn't fuck dudes for living but rather to supplement income or pay for school expenses. Some do speak English, which is also a plus. But I understand your point of view, if you are fine with a 15 minute quickie with a street girl, you could care less if she is in college or not. My target audience is different than yours.[/QUOTE]Why? I can understand the appeal of girls who speak English, if you can't speak Spanish. I can understand not wanting to be around girls who are heavy into drugs. I just don't understand "goals in life", unless you're looking for a relationship. You're paying them to fuck, whether for 15 minutes or 6 hours. If they just come over, talk about school, life goals and whatever else, no sex, no physical intimacy, are you still happy paying them?
Also, the reality is, you have no idea if they're just paying school expenses or fucking guys for money. Unless you're with them 24/7, all you know is what she tells you. Every guy who has had a girlfriend or wife cheat on them (or who has cheated on a wife or girlfriend), knows this.
Your "target audience?" Again, you're paying women for sex. An audience pays the performer, not the other way around.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856102]Looks like the only Colombianas you are dealing with are dirt poor ones. Those who have no flooring in their house, starving every day, etc. Thank god, I have met different girls and our paths with the ones you mentioned do not cross.
The girls I have had arrangements with have flooring in their house, have TVs and computers, and don't have to eat out of trash containers. I have never been asked to buy them a computer, and never offered them to buy one (why would I? Once I was asked to help with repairing one due to the screen damage. I don't buy chicks iPhones and never been asked to buy one. I would only do that If I were in a relationship, there is nothing wrong with buying your GF an iPhone or a computer for her birthday. I can, and do once in a while, buy chicks some sexy lingerie, or a dress. Maybe a sexy perfume. Because I enjoy when the chick I have an arrangement with, looks sexy and smells good.[/QUOTE]Where did you get that from? I just repeated to you, for at least the 20th time, I don't do street girls, whether in El Centro or Parque Lleras. Never have. Even if I did, why would you, or anyone, assume that the girls are starving every day, or have no flooring? Why flooring? That's just so fucking random?
I know you don't speak Spanish, but do you at least speak English? Because you don't seem able to understand it.
I'm just baffled here. Eating out of trash containers? I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to say that I've only fucked homeless women who are in every way disgusting. Right? But that's fucking ridiculous. Other than the occasional casa, which I haven't done in 3 years, and Las Islas, I've almost exclusively used Facebook. Not sure how many homeless women, eating out of trash containers, keep active on Facebook. Do you have any statistics on that?
I'm trying to keep on subject, but you do make it difficult. Let's start with a simple question. Are you Dramafree? I'm assuming you aren't, but you seem to think you are. Let me refresh your memory.
[QUOTE]Back to the subject, legit college students. [B]Dramafree[/B] claimed all of the college students without computers, stated they didn't need a computer, when he asked. I'm assuming he asks because he is willing to buy them a computer. Otherwise, why ask? Would you ask a woman if she needs taxi money and then refuse to give it if she needed it? Answer the question. Do you believe no legit college student would accept the offer of a free computer?[/QUOTE]Nobody mentioned you, until you decided, once again, to jump into a discussion without having any idea what the discussion is about.
I don't have issues with girls getting as much as they can while young with sugar daddies. It's the ones that scam guys online and never met the person that I have problems with.
[QUOTE=JohnS123;2856196]I am with you on the fact that no one has a right to fuck anyone based on what they think that person should accept. There is no benefit in being bitter over someone not accepting what you deem they should accept. The same girl who has taken 200,000 COP might get $300 USD. *That same girl might get flown out to the DR, France, or Croatia.
However, we can also acknowledge idiocy.
Case in point. Agent 0, Former Wizards NBA star who earned nearly $200 M (this does not include any endorsement money), and now has one of the biggest sports podcasts which will undoubtedly land him a huge media contract if he decides to partner, has more fucking money than anyone who has read this damn forum at any point. And he manages to refrain from gallivanting with and spending excessive amount of money on working girls, because, no matter how you cut it, it would be fucking dumb. Openly talks about it on his streams.
"Women out here they want the Birkin Bags, they want to eat. Like 3 x a day. Fuck. *They want to go out places and they don't want to go to regular places, they want to go to all the expensive ass places. *Movies, first class tickets to shit, they want to go on vacation. There are a lot of things that come with, you know, when I can just pay $200-$250 and get right to the good stuff."
He also lays out how he "shops" on Instagram, and his DMs are all hoes. And he laughs at some of their prices, because any sane person would laugh at $5,000, no matter how much money they have.
So a 9 figure net worth individual doesn't have to wine and dine working girls. To do so is a choice, not a state of normalcy simply because one has FU money. That "level" of paying far more than you need to has nothing to do with having a staggering net worth. Or is it impossible for someone with a stratospheric net worth to do something stupid as fuck with their money?[/QUOTE]If the girl wants to be stupid about how much she will accept then fuck her on to the next one until you find the one who will accept your price and / or your risk-level of service. And the same thing goes in reverse, I'm sure eventually after declining numerous fair offers, she will find some idiot willing to pay $300 usd for some mediocre covered service with a washed up be.
Tch with bolt-ONS and a botox ass LOL. To each his or her own.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2856177]$300 is 200,000 Colombian Pesos. I know a few girls that might get that much one or twice a month but consistently? Probably can count the number of girls who can pull that in on a consistent basis on one hand. And most of them are touring Europe or the Middle East. They aren't sitting at home waiting for their "I-phone" to ring.[/QUOTE]$300 is $1,200,000 COP I don't quite know what happened. I proof-read before posting.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856235]First time in Colombia, he had fallen in love with her (and she wasn't super gorgeous or anything). He wanted me to explain that he was going to send her $250 every week until he could come back and marry her. He'd known her for 3 days.[/QUOTE]Fucked a hooker in Thailand a couple of weeks ago. Her beach hooker coworker met a guy from California a couple of months ago while out hooking. The guy went back home and sent her $135 every 2 days for 2 months then came back and married her. (She showed me the wedding pictures.) he is still waiting on the paperwork for her to go back home with him. He does not speak Thai and she can hardly speak English.
Stranger things have happened than a trick buying an iPhone for a hooker.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2856212]But what's the point?? The issue is that it exists. And if one has a 9 figure net worth he's more likely not taking that approach. Mongering in itself is a hobby or luxury. It's not a necessity. And just with all other luxuries there's levels to it. A hand bag can cost 100 $ or 100,000.
You only live once so whatever your budget live to the fullest and stop worrying about what others have. It's amazing how some guys want to count girls money then get upset about it. If a girl is smart enough to hustle a good life for herself more power to her. As for me I spend what I want as long as I get what I'm paying for.[/QUOTE]Guys who worry about what other guys are paying for pussy are budget conscious perhaps because they do not have a whole lot to work with and are afraid that if guys give hookers too much then those chicas will expect more from other guys including themselves. I feel for them but I am out to enjoy myself and will pay a chica an amount that I believe will yield me good service but will not overspend.
It's probably because I look thirstier and sleazier. I get propositioned whenever I'm there. Carrera 33 and the quebrada bridge are clean zones. The bars and discos between la 10 and la 8 are hot spots. I'm not a regular so what happens to me is more anecdotal than scientific. As you know, in Colombia there is a very fine line between single girls and street walkers. It's not common for girls out for civilian activities to do it without a mixed group of friends. La 10 and Lleras now make Plaza Botero feel like Disneyland. The transformation since the pandemic is really striking.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2856090]I have been up in Provenza a few times in the last month on a Friday night, and there are a lot of single girls walking around, but I did not seen any tale tell signs, like around LLeras and Calle 10 of SW's giving males the google eye and hoots as they pass by.
Perhaps I have totally missed seeing any walkers up there during my very brief past visits, unless of course your referring to Prepagos who only work the Internet, versus being walkers.
I can't envision the SW scene spilling over into Provenza, but who knows, with all the increase in tourism, maybe it already has if that is what your aware of, and if so, are you aware of any specific locations in Provenza where SW's have been spotted as that would be interesting information. Kind of like around Dominos on Calle 10, but in Provenza. I always look around the bridge crossing the Quebrada when I'm up there but haven't noticed anything, as my monger radar is always on when I'm up in that area.
As far as the politics for Provenza, I have no clue about this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856339]Fucked a hooker in Thailand a couple of weeks ago. Her beach hooker coworker met a guy from California a couple of months ago while out hooking. The guy went back home and sent her $135 every 2 days for 2 months then came back and married her. (She showed me the wedding pictures.) he is still waiting on the paperwork for her to go back home with him. He does not speak Thai and she can hardly speak English.
Stranger things have happened than a trick buying an iPhone for a hooker.[/QUOTE]Every time I hear a story like this, the guy happens to be from California. Well, if he got FU money, not a big deal. But marrying a hooker who can potentially get half of his assets is bizarre and can't even compare to buying an iPhone or sending a few thousand bucks.
I'm going to Medellin soon and now that I'm thinking about it, Bogota might beat Medellin in terms of quality to price ratio. You can get a 7 for a reasonable price in Santa Fe vs the same thing in Lleras for twice the amount.
I'm not sure anything beats Santa Fe in terms of ease and price for the same quality but just to make sure let me recap everything in Medellin. And you guys can fill what I'm missing. There's:
Loutron for 400 k.
La isla for 550 k and 50 k cover.
Fase dos idk prices but every time I went in 2022 I didn't see anything good.
Luna lunera idk prices same deal as fase dos.
Centro walkers I heard quality is down. Prices still cheap.
Centro casas. I have never been.
Laureles casas. Like energy. Overhyped. I forgot prices.
Gustos 150 to 300 dollars lmaoooooo.
Online:
Mileroticos I think it's like 200-300 an hour for their place and 300- 400 for domicilio.
Pasionprepago same as mileroticos but I have this one girl charging me 500 for 30 minutes at my place and she ain't even hot?
Photoprepago same deal as mileroticos.
Facebook. I recently started this by looking at the Medellin hall of shame group and finding girls on the public friends lists of guys there and adding a bunch of them. Facebook now recommends me girls. Idk about prices because I haven't asked. I haven't seen these girls on mileroticos. They seem responsive.
Seeking arrangements. Haven't asked prices haven't gotten membership but quality seems good and the consensus seems to be that it's like 25% more expensive than mileroticos.
Medellin vs Bogota.
Medellin is generally safer imo vs Santa Fe. That's how I feel.
Santa Fe is very convenient. And good quality to price ratio vs Medellin venues.
Paisas are friendlier than rolas and provide better service imo.
Online anything sucks in Bogota. I was so consistently disappointed I just stopped looking. Waste of time.
Am I missing any venues? Any hidden gems?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856114]The same guys flying them to Cartagena, Cancun, Europe, giving them $300 for a couple of hours, etc.[/QUOTE]Why would someone fly someone out for a couple of hours as opposed to the whole day? Who on here has posted that? Who here flies women to Europe?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856114]I do not have any friends that are mongers that would do that but evidently many guys do because it has been announced enough on this board.[/QUOTE]For me, it is two full days travel time to Cartagena. Cancun is a 2 hour flight. So if the gal's flight to Cancun and whatever I am paying her are less than what I make in 2 days, it makes sense.
But yeah, I guess you do not know anyone making four or even three figures for one day's work.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2856368]Guys who worry about what other guys are paying for pussy are budget conscious perhaps because they do not have a whole lot to work with and are afraid that if guys give hookers too much then those chicas will expect more from other guys including themselves. I feel for them but I am out to enjoy myself and will pay a chica an amount that I believe will yield me good service but will not overspend.[/QUOTE]I don't spend much time thinking about what other guys pay because it doesn't really matter. I offer what I think is reasonable and fair for the girl, and she can accept it or pass on it. If she rejects it, I move on to the next girl. Every guy is different in terms of his financial condition. What is a lot to one guy may be peanuts to the next guy. Every girl is different in terms of age, looks and performance. What one girl is willing to accept may be completely different than what another girl is willing to accept. It doesn't matter to me what one guy is willing to pay another girl. Now, I do understand the desire to make fun of other guys who you think are overpaying because it makes you feel like you are superior to that guy and you are so much smarter than the other guy but other than that, it is irrelevant. If the girl is asking more than you are willing to pay her, then just move on to the next girl.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856474]I'm going to Medellin soon and now that I'm thinking about it, Bogota might beat Medellin in terms of quality to price ratio. You can get a 7 for a reasonable price in Santa Fe vs the same thing in Lleras for twice the amount.
I'm not sure anything beats Santa Fe in terms of ease and price for the same quality but just to make sure let me recap everything in Medellin. And you guys can fill what I'm missing. There's:
Loutron for 400 k.
La isla for 550 k and 50 k cover.
Fase dos idk prices but every time I went in 2022 I didn't see anything good.
Luna lunera idk prices same deal as fase dos.
Centro walkers I heard quality is down. Prices still cheap.
Centro casas. I have never been.
Laureles casas. Like energy. Overhyped. I forgot prices.
Gustos 150 to 300 dollars lmaoooooo.[/QUOTE]I was last night in Santa Fe with Woodman.
Will report on Bogota section, I did find at least two girls to my liking and went up with one 20 years slim, no kids damage 100 k + 10 k room. Had to repeat as first time got knock on door to soon! This suck but definitely in SF you can get gems for good price. I felt very safe all around, however we came back walking to Tequendama suite hotel and two police stopped and told us was not safe doing that as we crossed deserted areas.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856474]Mileroticos I think it's like 200-300 an hour for their place and 300- 400 for domicilio.[/QUOTE]Check the reviews on catadorcolombia and doncolombia, they mention the prices.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856474] Facebook... Idk about prices because I haven't asked. They seem responsive.[/QUOTE]What are you chatting with WGs about though? Prices are 200-250+ mil generally.
Curious how you guys configure and manage your mongering Facebook profile.
1. Do you show your age in profile?
2. Do you use your own photo?
3. Do you use your own name or make up one?
4. Do you set your location as Medellin or your country / city?
5. Do you maintain the profile with regular updates / photos and such?
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2856521]I don't spend much time thinking about what other guys pay because it doesn't really matter. I offer what I think is reasonable and fair for the girl, [/QUOTE]What criteria do you use in deciding what is reasonable and fair?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2856477]Why would someone fly someone out for a couple of hours as opposed to the whole day? Who on here has posted that? Who here flies women to Europe?[/QUOTE]I think you missed the commas. I said the same guys flying them to Cartagena. The same guys flying them to A. The same guys flying them to Z. The same guys giving them $300 for a couple of hours, I. E. Gustos or taking them out of La Isla. Not meaning the same guys flying them to Cancun to give them $300 for a couple of hours. Yes there have been reports here of posters flying them to Europe.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2856528]Check the reviews on catadorcolombia and doncolombia, they mention the prices.
What are you chatting with WGs about though? Prices are 200-250+ mil generally.[/QUOTE]I forgot to add lleras. That's like 200 to 400 for SW's.
I just said hi to them on Facebook and asked if they were in Medellin. I just want to meet a girl next door type not a sillicone doll that I’m seeing in Facebook.
[QUOTE=GrinMon;2856563]Curious how you guys configure and manage your mongering Facebook profile.
1. Do you show your age in profile?
2. Do you use your own photo?
3. Do you use your own name or make up one?
4. Do you set your location as Medellin or your country / city?
5. Do you maintain the profile with regular updates / photos and such?[/QUOTE]I don't see the benefit of using a different profile. I hate Facebook anyways and having on login for verything just makes my life easier.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856602]I don't see the benefit of using a different profile. I hate Facebook anyways and having on login for verything just makes my life easier.[/QUOTE]I don't use FB for non-mongering purposes so I only have a single FB profile. Yes to all questions.
A separate account is one of several steps you would have to take to prevent facebook introducing ALL your contacts to each other. The other steps are covered in a couple of searchable threads in this web site.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856602]I don't see the benefit of using a different profile. I hate Facebook anyways and having on login for verything just makes my life easier.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2856402]It's probably because I look thirstier and sleazier. I get propositioned whenever I'm there. Carrera 33 and the quebrada bridge are clean zones. The bars and discos between la 10 and la 8 are hot spots. I'm not a regular so what happens to me is more anecdotal than scientific. As you know, in Colombia there is a very fine line between single girls and street walkers. It's not common for girls out for civilian activities to do it without a mixed group of friends. La 10 and Lleras now make Plaza Botero feel like Disneyland. The transformation since the pandemic is really striking.[/QUOTE]I am jealous, I have never have been propositioned in Provenza, only on Calle 10 and around LLeras.
You sound like a "babe magnet", maybe it's because your a Centro street rat who typically are very sleazy and thirsty to dump a load on a moments notice as you have described yourself. LOL.
All kidding aside, the transformation of Calle 10 and the Lleras area since the Pandemic seems to be in step with the increase of tourism.
And the prices being reported here by others are ridiculous, especially when the quality at least what I have seen is on par with Centro as this is where a lot of the SW's have been showing up from as I and others have noticed.
I wonder if the blatancy of SW's on Calle 10 and the Lleras area will occur in Provenza, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2856628]I am jealous, I have never have been propositioned in Provenza, only on Calle 10 and around LLeras.
You sound like a "babe magnet", maybe it's because your a Centro street rat who typically are very sleazy and thirsty to dump a load on a moments notice as you have described yourself. LOL.
All kidding aside, the transformation of Calle 10 and the Lleras area since the Pandemic seems to be in step with the increase of tourism.
And the prices being reported here by others are ridiculous, especially when the quality at least what I have seen is on par with Centro as this is where a lot of the SW's have been showing up from as I and others have noticed.
I wonder if the blatancy of SW's on Calle 10 and the Lleras area will occur in Provenza, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did.[/QUOTE]He is confusing Provenza with Calle 10 and Parque Lleras. I have been dining out and partying in Provenza countless times, and never got approached by a working girl. Heck, they even have cops now by the entrance on calle 10, right next to the burger joint and La Cruda restaurant. There are no SW in provenza. You may see some p4 p girls, but they are wined and dined there, not standing around looking for a client. The vast majority are normal people having fun and enjoying themselves.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2856621]A separate account is one of several steps you would have to take to prevent facebook introducing ALL your contacts to each other. The other steps are covered in a couple of searchable threads in this web site.[/QUOTE]I agree with this statement if you use Facebook for your real friends. It can get awkward. I don't use FB anymore with my friends and so I just started deleting all my real friends and started over with girls from Medellin.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856572]What criteria do you use in deciding what is reasonable and fair?[/QUOTE]Price threads are on-going here and there has been a lot of back and forth about what is too much. It tends to get very hostile with a lot of guys insulting other guys and calling them simps so I don't want to get into that. There are too many variables for the girls so there is no one set going-rate for girls in Medellin. For each person, it boils down to their own financial situation, and how much they really want that particular girl. My take on it is if you are happy with paying a certain amount to a girl and she is happy with the amount, then it is a win-win. Now, you could have paid less, but you don't have any issues with it so I would not worry about it.
You are here on vacation. You want to have a good time. You're having a good time and the amount you spend is fine with you. Then I would say the amount you paid to the girls is reasonable and fair to you.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856660]He is confusing Provenza with Calle 10 and Parque Lleras. I have been dining out and partying in Provenza countless times, and never got approached by a working girl. Heck, they even have cops now by the entrance on calle 10, right next to the burger joint and La Cruda restaurant. There are no SW in provenza. You may see some p4 p girls, but they are wined and dined there, not standing around looking for a client. The vast majority are normal people having fun and enjoying themselves.[/QUOTE]The police presence has been at the main entrance to Provenza for quite a while know, and I don't believe he is confusing Provenza with Calle 10 and Parque LLeras.
Although you and I have never been approached when there, I suspect there are some SW's working inside Provenza, but let's say a different category of SW's than we see working Calle 10 and Lleras.
Meaning ones that don't congregate with others, wear slutty looking outfits, and are a bit more sophisticated, and for many, might not be recognizable to us, especially being dispersed amongst so many other people walking around in Provenza.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2856339]Her beach hooker coworker met a guy from California a couple of months ago while out hooking. The guy went back home and sent her $135 every 2 days for 2 months then came back and married her. (She showed me the wedding pictures.) he is still waiting on the paperwork for her to go back home with him. He does not speak Thai and she can hardly speak English.
Stranger things have happened than a trick buying an iPhone for a hooker.[/QUOTE]My theory is that some never experienced good sex and the first time they do experience nice behaviour + sex their brains get zapped. You can only feel sorry for those poor bastards.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;28565I]i do understand the desire to make fun of other guys who you think are overpaying because it makes you feel like you are superior to that guy and you are so much smarter than the other guy but other than that, it is irrelevant. [/QUOTE]Other guys like to overpay bcos it makes them feel superior to think they are wealthier and get better chicks.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2856756]Other guys like to overpay bcos it makes them feel superior to think they are wealthier and get better chicks.[/QUOTE]Exactly, they think because they found her on seeking and pay her 400 k COP or more that she is cleaner or provides a better service than chicas who can be found in cheaper venues.
I thought I wrote that Provenza has prepagos. It's reassuring to be considered a normal person. I've been known to have a drink or two when I'm out but so far I haven't gotten so juiced that I can tell the difference between la 10, Lleras and Provenza.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856660]He is confusing Provenza with Calle 10 and Parque Lleras. I have been dining out and partying in Provenza countless times, and never got approached by a working girl. Heck, they even have cops now by the entrance on calle 10, right next to the burger joint and La Cruda restaurant. There are no SW in provenza. You may see some p4 p girls, but they are wined and dined there, not standing around looking for a client. The vast majority are normal people having fun and enjoying themselves.[/QUOTE]
That is indeed the deal. They have to keep a lower profile and dress more modestly than their Lleras / la 10 counterparts (not very difficult). The checkpoints are not at all difficult to defeat. It's pretty simple to just walk in the back way or at any corner of la 10 west of the checkpoints. I'm wondering why there are anti sex tourism signs at the entrances of restaurants on carrera 33 if there are no prepagos. But seriously, in Provenza girls don't whistle or pull at your clothes like on la 10 but they are working.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2856745]The police presence has been at the main entrance to Provenza for quite a while know, and I don't believe he is confusing Provenza with Calle 10 and Parque LLeras.
Although you and I have never been approached when there, I suspect there are some SW's working inside Provenza, but let's say a different category of SW's than we see working Calle 10 and Lleras.
Meaning ones that don't congregate with others, wear slutty looking outfits, and are a bit more sophisticated, and for many, might not be recognizable to us, especially being dispersed amongst so many other people walking around in Provenza.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is not a realistic point of view but I can understand the desire. If it's believable it's worth it. I don't believe it and it's not because I can't afford it.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856759]Exactly, they think because they found her on seeking and pay her 400 k COP or more that she is cleaner or provides a better service than chicas who can be found in cheaper venues.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=QueRico;2856749]My theory is that some never experienced good sex and the first time they do experience nice behaviour + sex their brains get zapped. You can only feel sorry for those poor bastards.[/QUOTE]I do agree with this. Unfortunately now my brain has been zapped by mongering and I have trouble finding good sex in the states.
I hate to miss out on this money debate. LOL.
I remember a few weeks ago that Gobacho posted that he paid 150 mil for a FB date and the girl came by public transportation. I was thinking that is smart with money, and probably takes skill too. I have never been able to get a FB girl to come by metro and I proposed to pay them 50 mil to ride metro. To me that is the gist of the whole thing regardless how much you spend.
Here I am in a city where I can get 30 minutes for less than USD5. Why pay 10 when I only need to pay 5, right? LOL.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2856741]... so there is no one set going-rate for girls in Medellin. ....[/QUOTE]The amount you pay a girl is about the amount of the majority of her customers pay her. You limit your amount and you limit the pool of the girls you can have.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856759]Exactly, they think because they found her on seeking and pay her 400 k COP or more that she is cleaner or provides a better service than chicas who can be found in cheaper venues.[/QUOTE]They are definitely a lot hotter that's for sure. The performance point I understand. But I can't even get excited about many of these 150 k and 200 k skanks. I'm fine with paying $20 to $40 more to actually get it up. That's a Taco Tuesday takeout order for me.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2856862]I do agree with this. Unfortunately now my brain has been zapped by mongering and I have trouble finding good sex in the states.[/QUOTE]You can always have sex with an attractive girl with GFE performance in the United States even if you are average looking and have no game. The problem is that it will cost you a lot, about $350 to $400. Ja ja ja.
Just landed in med from bog. Talked to one of my cam girls while in Bogota. 2 weeks ago she was thrilled to go to guatape with me. The day before I get to Medellin she's like sorry I'm seeing someone rn. In my head I'm like why you talking to me then gtfo I'm not going to be your back up. So that's done. Just ghosted her.
Talked to another one of my cam girls. She wants Mexican food but after I land she's like sorry I'm busy. Very flaky. At least she didn't ghost me and I'm probs meeting with her on Tuesday.
Went to Santa Guadalupe in Amsterdam plaza very good restaurant. It started to pour but it stopped. So I went to lleras. Same old story but it looks like there's less girls than usual and the quality is slightly down in my eyes. Maybe because it was raining. I saw the two blonde twins but they seemed to be taken. I want to see what they are about. Yea it looks like centro girls just come to lleras. Welcome to centro after hours.
Went to gustos. 20 k cover like usual. Looks like more staff. Different waitresses upstairs. The one with the really big tits wasn't there. Maybe a guy sweeped her up. Quality down?
Wouldn't do any of the girls there. Even if they were 200 k. They just aren't my type. Like they are girls who were insecure because they are the good looking and then they get surgery to cover up their ugliness but I can still see they are ugly. And it's overpriced. They just aren't for me.
Club was emptier than I thought. For 11 pm.
Is it rain? Is it because. It's Saturday? Holiday maybe? What's the deal?
Lots of Indian guys at the park tho which is interesting.
Went to la isla. Took me like 30 minutes to get an Uber. Taxis are charging me 30 k to go to la isla. I'm like nah and Ubers are cancelling in front of my face because the police that is specifically designed to stop Ubers from taking customer is right next to my pick up spot. I finally got one tho for 9 k.
La isla was also emptier than I would imagine for 12 pm Saturday night.
Saw a girl I did last year was surprised she was still there. But should I really be surprised now that the price is 550 k. Ridiculous. She was hounding.
Me to have sex I'm like nah I just came to scope out the talent. She did tell me however that it is kinda empty today and that a ton of girls, the majority, come on Wednesday and Sunday. So I'm going to go and check it out on those days. I did be friend one girl I not really befriend but I got her Instagram and I know for a fact she comes on Thursdays so I'm going to do her on Thursday.
Saw the girl I lost my virginity to there. Was also surprised she was there because I thought she went to Mexico. Was a pleasant encounter. Sweet girl.
Here are my thoughts Santa Fe Bogota clubs vs la isla:
La isla has a high price now. I only saw one girl who I would pay that price for and she wasn't even that crazy Good.
I will say that La Isla quality concentrates very heavily around seven. You'll find a lot of 7's. La isla is very consistent you'll find a multitude of sevens and a handful of eights.
Bogota on the other hand the bad is really bad but the good is really good. There's a lot of variance because they import the girls and everybody who lives in Santa Fe is terrible but the girls are really good. Isla on the other hand because everybody's mostly from Medellin and girls from medellin are just consistently above average, Isla is just consistently above average with a handful of eights and maybe one day you'll find a nine.
Either way, I have three months here. I'll try to find some success and report back on like what's the best way that has worked out for me is it camgirls is it Casas is it online? Is it Facebook who knows?
I just want two girls that are at my beck and Call, and whenever I need them to come, they do the job and I don't have to think about it so the only thing I have to think about is how to make more money that's it.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856922] Yea it looks like centro girls just come to lleras. Welcome to centro after hours.
[/QUOTE]I've been saying this was the case since 2021. I had first hand proof; one of my girls, Geisis (a black vennie I had followed here from Bogota) explained to me that her and her friends would work in botero / Veracruz during the daytime hours until around 8 pm and then they would go down to poblado in the evenings thru early am and charge 150 k to 200 k per hour instead of their normal 30 k or 40 k per half hour that they charge in Centro.
I remember asking her why she wouldn't just only work poblado since it paid so much better and she told me that she had to do the normal ratos in centro first to make sure she would have taxi money otherwise she could risk getting stuck in poblado if she didn't get any customers on that particular day because they would stay until after the metro and buses stopped running.
I reported on this back in 2021 that it was the same girls just more dolled up and wearing better clothes and charging the gringos 3 or 4 times more money and no one believed me. Then in 2022 you guys said there was a few Centro girls there but not that many and now finally in 2023 you guys are saying the same thing I said in 2021 lmao.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856922]Just landed in med from bog. Talked to one of my cam girls while in Bogota. 2 weeks ago she was thrilled to go to guatape with me. The day before I get to Medellin she's like sorry I'm seeing someone rn. In my head I'm like why you talking to me then gtfo I'm not going to be your back up. So that's done. Just ghosted her.
Talked to another one of my cam girls. She wants Mexican food but after I land she's like sorry I'm busy. Very flaky. At least she didn't ghost me and I'm probs meeting with her on Tuesday.
Went to Santa Guadalupe in Amsterdam plaza very good restaurant. It started to pour but it stopped. So I went to lleras. Same old story but it looks like there's less girls than usual and the quality is slightly down in my eyes. Maybe because it was raining. I saw the two blonde twins but they seemed to be taken. I want to see what they are about. Yea it looks like centro girls just come to lleras. Welcome to centro after hours.
Went to gustos. 20 k cover like usual. Looks like more staff. Different waitresses upstairs. The one with the really big tits wasn't there. Maybe a guy sweeped her up. Quality down?
Wouldn't do any of the girls there. Even if they were 200 k. They just aren't my type. Like they are girls who were insecure because they are the good looking and then they get surgery to cover up their ugliness but I can still see they are ugly. And it's overpriced. They just aren't for me.
Club was emptier than I thought. For 11 pm.
Is it rain? Is it because. It's Saturday? Holiday maybe? What's the deal?
Lots of Indian guys at the park tho which is interesting.
Went to la isla. Took me like 30 minutes to get an Uber. Taxis are charging me 30 k to go to la isla. I'm like nah and Ubers are cancelling in front of my face because the police that is specifically designed to stop Ubers from taking customer is right next to my pick up spot. I finally got one tho for 9 k.
La isla was also emptier than I would imagine for 12 pm Saturday night.
Saw a girl I did last year was surprised she was still there. But should I really be surprised now that the price is 550 k. Ridiculous. She was hounding.
Me to have sex I'm like nah I just came to scope out the talent. She did tell me however that it is kinda empty today and that a ton of girls, the majority, come on Wednesday and Sunday. So I'm going to go and check it out on those days. I did be friend one girl I not really befriend but I got her Instagram and I know for a fact she comes on Thursdays so I'm going to do her on Thursday.
Saw the girl I lost my virginity to there. Was also surprised she was there because I thought she went to Mexico. Was a pleasant encounter. Sweet girl.
Here are my thoughts Santa Fe Bogota clubs vs la isla:
La isla has a high price now. I only saw one girl who I would pay that price for and she wasn't even that crazy Good.
I will say that La Isla quality concentrates very heavily around seven. You'll find a lot of 7's. La isla is very consistent you'll find a multitude of sevens and a handful of eights.
Bogota on the other hand the bad is really bad but the good is really good. There's a lot of variance because they import the girls and everybody who lives in Santa Fe is terrible but the girls are really good. Isla on the other hand because everybody's mostly from Medellin and girls from medellin are just consistently above average, Isla is just consistently above average with a handful of eights and maybe one day you'll find a nine.
Either way, I have three months here. I'll try to find some success and report back on like what's the best way that has worked out for me is it camgirls is it Casas is it online? Is it Facebook who knows?
I just want two girls that are at my beck and Call, and whenever I need them to come, they do the job and I don't have to think about it so the only thing I have to think about is how to make more money that's it.[/QUOTE]A buddy and I were also out last night in provenza and lleras hoping to scope out for new fresh talent to add to our roster, but then the monsoon rains came and that pretty much fucked the night for everyone. We ended up just heading home and called over two facebook girls who are regulars for us to salvage the rainy night. They showed up around midnight and we drank bottles of wine on the balcony and they are still sleeping in our beds. Time to wake them up and head to cyclovia for some salpicon.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856938]...she told me that she had to do the normal ratos in centro first to make sure she would have taxi money otherwise she could risk getting stuck in poblado if she didn't get any customers on that particular day because they would stay until after the metro and buses stopped running....[/QUOTE]Using the same logic, once she has a date in El Poblado, she can stop going to El Centro the next day and just repeat the same thing, right? Or just lower her rate to 150 or 100 mil in Poblado so she can get her taxi money more easily, no? BTW, I am not looking for an answer.
You were right then and you are right now. You were not the only one saying that. To be fair, it's not so easy to notice if you don't know the girls very well or you aren't in Medellin on a regular basis. The human mind is fascinating. All manner of creative imagination and confirmation bias go into play to get our heads to deny what our eyes see.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856938]I've been saying this was the case since 2021. I had first hand proof; one of my girls, Geisis (a black vennie I had followed here from Bogota) explained to me that her and her friends would work in botero / Veracruz during the daytime hours until around 8 pm and then they would go down to poblado in the evenings thru early am and charge 150 k to 200 k per hour instead of their normal 30 k or 40 k per half hour that they charge in Centro.
I remember asking her why she wouldn't just only work poblado since it paid so much better and she told me that she had to do the normal ratos in centro first to make sure she would have taxi money otherwise she could risk getting stuck in poblado if she didn't get any customers on that particular day because they would stay until after the metro and buses stopped running.
I reported on this back in 2021 that it was the same girls just more dolled up and wearing better clothes and charging the gringos 3 or 4 times more money and no one believed me. Then in 2022 you guys said there was a few Centro girls there but not that many and now finally in 2023 you guys are saying the same thing I said in 2021 lmao.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856938]I've been saying this was the case since 2021. I had first hand proof; one of my girls, Geisis (a black vennie I had followed here from Bogota) explained to me that her and her friends would work in botero / Veracruz during the daytime hours until around 8 pm and then they would go down to poblado in the evenings thru early am and charge 150 k to 200 k per hour instead of their normal 30 k or 40 k per half hour that they charge in Centro
I reported on this back in 2021 that it was the same girls just more dolled up and wearing better clothes and charging the gringos 3 or 4 times more money and no one believed me. Then in 2022 you guys said there was a few Centro girls there but not that many and now finally in 2023 you guys are saying the same thing I said in 2021 lmao.[/QUOTE]Your seeing posts about this from newer board members who were not on this board two years ago. You, and myself, along with others, have been posting about the evolution and return to mongering on Calle 10 and Lleras area after Colombia opened up about eight months after the Pandemic started.
I would say that now perhaps the majority of the posters on this board are post pandemic members that had not been to Colombia before, or only briefly and not aware of the changes.
The good news in what I call the evolution of Calle 10 and Lleras since the Pandemic is that there is something for everybody.
Many of the newer mongers stay in Pobaldo, have access to great dining and bars, along with an ample supply of SW's nearby to pull from.
As far as the bitching and moaning of which I've remarked on several times about the asking prices, it's irrelevant, because those board members pulling from Calle 10 and Lleras can afford it.
And for the board members who have been here since before the Pandemic and never pulled from Lleras, I see it having no effect on them because they would never pay 4 to 5 times for the same thing that could be had in Centro.
I think one poster said "welcome to Centro after hours" which I think is very succinct.
So it's good for everybody what's happened, and hopefully nobody here is going to blame me for what's evolved on Calle 10 and the Lleras area meaning that I told all the hookers in Centro that they could make 4 to 5 times on Calle 10 hence it's my fault. LOL.
I suspect Provenza may fall to what I will call "SW blatancy" in the coming year.
More to follow I'm sure.
It can cost you that and a great deal more if the attractive girl turns out to be an undercover vice police officer.
[QUOTE=MoonShot;2856920]You can always have sex with an attractive girl with GFE performance in the United States even if you are average looking and have no game. The problem is that it will cost you a lot, about $350 to $400. Ja ja ja.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2857002]Using the same logic, once she has a date in El Poblado, she can stop going to El Centro the next day and just repeat the same thing, right? Or just lower her rate to 150 or 100 mil in Poblado so she can get her taxi money more easily, no? BTW, I am not looking for an answer.[/QUOTE]Who knows. She started waiting me to pay her more bcuz the 100 mil for BBFS I had been giving her since 2018 in Bogota was no longer good enough and I stopped seeing here in November of 2021. And now she's living in Spain.
[] can stop going to El Centro the next day and just repeat the same thing, right? Or just lower her rate to 150 or 100 mil in Poblado so she can get her taxi money more easily, no?. [ / QUOTE] or she can work in both places and earn more money.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2857002]Using the same logic, once she has a date in El Poblado, she can stop going to El Centro the next day and just repeat the same thing, right? Or just lower her rate to 150 or 100 mil in Poblado so she can get her taxi money more easily, no? BTW, I am not looking for an answer.[/QUOTE]Yea but the problem is that they blow the money as fast as they get it, they don't necessarily save it from day to day, atleast not when I knew her she didn't.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856938]I've been saying this was the case since 2021. I had first hand proof; one of my girls, Geisis (a black vennie I had followed here from Bogota) explained to me that her and her friends would work in botero / Veracruz during the daytime hours until around 8 pm and then they would go down to poblado in the evenings thru early am and charge 150 k to 200 k per hour instead of their normal 30 k or 40 k per half hour that they charge in Centro.[/QUOTE]Many of us have been saying this for way more than 2 years, but Poblado die hards never wanted to face it.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856938]I remember asking her why she wouldn't just only work poblado since it paid so much better[/QUOTE]Same reason McDonald's does not only sell hamburgers in airports where they are known to be more expensive. It is called price discrimination. Get what you can wherever you can get it. No since in only working Poblado where there is a lower chance of you making the higher price when you can also work downtown where there is a higher chance of getting the lower price. Unless you are like Heineken and only want to be known as premium.
[QUOTE=JustTK;2857058] or she can work in both places and earn more money.[/QUOTE]She is already working in both places. It sounds like she is still living from day to day and don't have saving for the raining day. They don't think like many us normally think that's why I am not looking for an answer.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2856889]I hate to miss out on this money debate. LOL.
I remember a few weeks ago that Gobacho posted that he paid 150 mil for a FB date and the girl came by public transportation. I was thinking that is smart with money, and probably takes skill too. I have never been able to get a FB girl to come by metro and I proposed to pay them 50 mil to ride metro. To me that is the gist of the whole thing regardless how much you spend.
Here I am in a city where I can get 30 minutes for less than USD5. Why pay 10 when I only need to pay 5, right? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have been to some of those super low-end joints in centro in Rio, the quality is definitely lacking, to put it mildly. I remember the madam standing at the door yelling out to passerby in portuguese "pussy only $5"(LOL).
All the girls from la isla are the same quality as the best girls from Santa Fe.
Before I said that the best girls from Santa Fe are better than la isla and that the worst girls are worse than any girl In la isla. But I realize that I was wrong.
La is la is definitely better than Santa Fe. It's that in Santa Fe you have Greta girls right next to really bad girls so the hot girls look really hot by comparison. In la isla almost all the girls are hot and all are definitely above average so all the girls just look normal if you compare them to each other.
It's like if you're Dan bilzerian. All you see is hot girls so a hot girl looks normal to you and normal girl looks ugly to you. You're exposed to so many hot girls they all look normal at la isla.
Does this justify 550 k? Not for me. I would pay 400 k but why am I crying over $40 dollars.
[QUOTE=Chicago85;2856862]I do agree with this. Unfortunately now my brain has been zapped by mongering and I have trouble finding good sex in the states.[/QUOTE]Same here in Europe.
Despite zapping look after your mental, physical and financial health and you will be fine.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2857172]Does this justify 550 k? Not for me. I would pay 400 k but why am I crying over $40 dollars.[/QUOTE]At some point you should probably cry over $40. If someone tried to charge you $42 for something you are used to paying $2 for, I am sure you would not say I am not going to cry over $40. But it seems for pussy guys tend to develop the type of attitude where they do not mind paying more. If you were to want to pay the girl $40 less, should she not cry over $40?
[QUOTE=Shemp;2857158]Yeah, I have been to some of those super low-end joints in centro in Rio, the quality is definitely lacking, to put it mildly. I remember the madam standing at the door yelling out to passerby in portuguese "pussy only $5"(LOL).[/QUOTE]I think maybe you forgot to mention in Rio it usually starts at 10 minutes so that maybe $5 for 10 minutes if you can still find it.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2857266]I think maybe you forgot to mention in Rio it usually starts at 10 minutes so that maybe $5 for 10 minutes if you can still find it.[/QUOTE]Which is generally sufficient. I am there to fuck and get my rocks off, not to make long play love to a hooker. Beats telling a Seeking chick that I am going to wine and dine her then take her home to fuck her for the same 10 minutes and pay her $120.
You broke it down to brass tacks. Where's the lie?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857324]Which is generally sufficient. I am there to fuck and get my rocks off, not to make long play love to a hooker. Beats telling a Seeking chick that I am going to wine and dine her then take her home to fuck her for the same 10 minutes and pay her $120.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2857172]All the girls from la isla are the same quality as the best girls from Santa Fe.
Before I said that the best girls from Santa Fe are better than la isla and that the worst girls are worse than any girl In la isla. But I realize that I was wrong.
Does this justify 550 k? Not for me. I would pay 400 k but why am I crying over $40 dollars.[/QUOTE]Last time I went to La Isla was this past March 2023. Went on a Saturday night around 1:00 am. Got my drink and chill in the bar while watching crazy activities going on. It was a busy night. Your typical American brothers are making it rain of pesos while the girls are getting crazy picking up those pesos in the floor. Quality of girls are mixed of mostly 7's and a handful of 8's. Around 80% of girls are silicone dolls and only few natural girls. I saw 4 girls in the stage legs spread wide open while fucking dildos, while guys telling them 'Rapido!' 'Rapido!' waiting for them to squirt LOL. 2 of them even climbed up the pole while fucking dildos up there LOL. Shit was crazy. You will never see those in US strip clubs. I've been approach by few girls while watching, but after seeing all those silicone makes me turn off and lose interest so just decided to watch the entertainment in front of me.
I understand why you got to cry over $40, Santa Fe prices still cannot be beat though, especially the street girls. Woodman even mentioned 50 k prices or less on his Bogota reports. Street actions are just not my thing though. I always stick to clubs, SA or online. I remember when I paid 170 k for a solid 8 girl in Fase dos, I still regret till today why I didn't get her number. Came back there 2 times and never saw her again. She got the soft perfect ass matched with a cute face. Went to Loutron the next day, paid 300 k for a HOT MILF, which is 9 on my scale. She was all natural. Double the's boobs. I sucked those tits and she was lactating LOL. First time tasted milk from a pro. It was a phenomenal experience even the sex was amazing. I was pleased and even gave her 100 k tip. I'm glad I did not get anything from that got tested right away after the trip. Got her number tried to hit her up on my recent trip, but no response. Probably changed her number which some girls do. This was back in 2019. I miss those years right before COVID where the service and quality of girls are on its peak for mongering. Even though the dollars is not the equivalent of exchange rate today. You will get your money's worth back then with a hot girl. I'm not saying you cannot get the same today, but the quality just went downhill, plus the inflated prices. Reason why you got to take care of your regular girls that's always giving you a good time.
I'm looking to venture out and give the 'Mansion' a try on my visit to Medellin this month and see how it is.
"It can cost you that and a great deal more if the attractive girl turns out to be an undercover vice police officer. ".
Watch tus huevos out there.
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I was enjoying your post until you let me down with the punter 101 misstep of not getting the phone number of a girl you really enjoyed. I like to err on the side of caution because I much prefer the bother of deleting numbers I later decide I won't use to regretting not getting the number of I girl I really want to see again. I'm with you 100% about the silicone. Besides my dislike for it, I feel badly for the girls who do it to themselves. It's a big health risk. I've talked a few girls out of it.
[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2857391]Last time I went to La Isla was this past March 2023. Went on a Saturday night around 1:00 am. Got my drink and chill in the bar while watching crazy activities going on. It was a busy night. Your typical American brothers are making it rain of pesos while the girls are getting crazy picking up those pesos in the floor. Quality of girls are mixed of mostly 7's and a handful of 8's. Around 80% of girls are silicone dolls and only few natural girls. I saw 4 girls in the stage legs spread wide open while fucking dildos, while guys telling them 'Rapido!' 'Rapido!' waiting for them to squirt LOL. 2 of them even climbed up the pole while fucking dildos up there LOL. Shit was crazy. You will never see those in US strip clubs. I've been approach by few girls while watching, but after seeing all those silicone makes me turn off and lose interest so just decided to watch the entertainment in front of me.
I understand why you got to cry over $40, Santa Fe prices still cannot be beat though, especially the street girls. Woodman even mentioned 50 k prices or less on his Bogota reports. Street actions are just not my thing though. I always stick to clubs, SA or online. I remember when I paid 170 k for a solid 8 girl in Fase dos, I still regret till today why I didn't get her number. Came back there 2 times and never saw her again. She got the soft perfect ass matched with a cute face. Went to Loutron the next day, paid 300 k for a HOT MILF, which is 9 on my scale. She was all natural. Double the's boobs. I sucked those tits and she was lactating LOL. First time tasted milk from a pro. It was a phenomenal experience even the sex was amazing. I was pleased and even gave her 100 k tip. I'm glad I did not get anything from that got tested right away after the trip. Got her number tried to hit her up on my recent trip, but no response. Probably changed her number which some girls do. This was back in 2019. I miss those years right before COVID where the service and quality of girls are on its peak for mongering. Even though the dollars is not the equivalent of exchange rate today. You will get your money's worth back then with a hot girl.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StudBucket;2849910]Your best bet is to go to LLeras Park Club in the Poblado area next to the Park. The mansion bar is a bar / lounge with music and so is Lleras Park Club. The real difference is that Lleras Park will have from 50 to 70 girls depending on the time of the night whereas the Mansion is very hit or miss with having from only a few girls to a max. Peak of a dozen or so. No comparison.[/QUOTE]Anyone know if it's still open or around? Can't seem to find it on google maps. They have an old FB page that hasn't had a post since 2018.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2857509]Anyone know if it's still open or around? Can't seem to find it on google maps. They have an old FB page that hasn't had a post since 2018.[/QUOTE]I was just in medellin Its gone but replaced with different club.
[QUOTE=Bdd1124;2857566]I was just in medellin Its gone but replaced with different club.[/QUOTE]Is the new one the same format? Any idea where its located?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857324]Which is generally sufficient. I am there to fuck and get my rocks off, not to make long play love to a hooker. Beats telling a Seeking chick that I am going to wine and dine her then take her home to fuck her for the same 10 minutes and pay her $120.[/QUOTE]10 minutes? Really? You always talk about all your GFs all over the world but now telling us that 10 minutes is enough time. You can not even get a woman warmed up in that kind of time so how exactly could you keep any GF anywhere? Do not answer you will just lie like when you told us your rent has not increased in 14 years.
It takes two minutes just to enter the room and take off clothes. Not you, her. One minute to say a few words, put on a condom, and get on the bed. One minute of super short foreplay to enjoy her body by simply caressing her body. I need to suck on tits to get me going. That leaves only 6 minutes if everything went perfect. But if she tries to do a striptease, talk, or go to the bathroom you lose another minute. That now leaves you with 5 minutes. I am jealous of all mongers that can do that. It saves you a ton of money. But I feel horrible for any GF or wife that you may have. You must be rich because the sex is not keeping them around.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2857651]10 minutes? Really? You always talk about all your GFs all over the world but now telling us that 10 minutes is enough time. You can not even get a woman warmed up in that kind of time so how exactly could you keep any GF anywhere? [/QUOTE]Sorry sir. I am not in the business of warming up hookers. Why are you even trying to compare what I said I do with hookers to what I did not say I do with a normal girlfriend? I do not travel with hookers. I do not go to dinner with hookers. This has nothing to do with a normal girlfriend. There is a lot of shit I do not do with hookers that I do with normal girlfriends. It is a shame that some people can not separate the two and do not know there are differences.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2857651]Do not answer you will just lie like when you told us your rent has not increased in 14 years.[/QUOTE]Yes it is a lie that my rent in Thailand has not been the same 4500 baht since the day I moved in to my place 14 years ago. Please fill me in on how much it started out as and how much it is today since you seem to know the truth.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857324]Which is generally sufficient. I am there to fuck and get my rocks off, not to make long play love to a hooker. Beats telling a Seeking chick that I am going to wine and dine her then take her home to fuck her for the same 10 minutes and pay her $120.[/QUOTE]If all you need is a 10 minute quickie, then it makes no sense to meet a Seeking girl regardless the rate.
Me personally, I prefer to have a nice meal / drinks with a beautiful female companion, get to know her, let the rapport build up, then bring her back to my place and fuck as much as I want without any rush, with all the GFE attributes included.
If you are happy with a bowl of rice and beans, don't tell me I need to eat the same. I will enjoy my steak.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2856922]Just landed in med from bog. Talked to one of my cam girls while in Bogota. 2 weeks ago she was thrilled to go to guatape with me. The day before I get to Medellin she's like sorry I'm seeing someone rn. In my head I'm like why you talking to me then gtfo I'm not going to be your back up. So that's done. Just ghosted her.
Talked to another one of my cam girls. She wants Mexican food but after I land she's like sorry I'm busy. Very flaky. At least she didn't ghost me and I'm probs meeting with her on Tuesday.
Went to Santa Guadalupe in Amsterdam plaza very good restaurant. It started to pour but it stopped. So I went to lleras. Same old story but it looks like there's less girls than usual and the quality is slightly down in my eyes. Maybe because it was raining. I saw the two blonde twins but they seemed to be taken. I want to see what they are about. Yea it looks like centro girls just come to lleras. Welcome to centro after hours.
Went to gustos. 20 k cover like usual. Looks like more staff. Different waitresses upstairs. The one with the really big tits wasn't there. Maybe a guy sweeped her up. Quality down?
Wouldn't do any of the girls there. Even if they were 200 k. They just aren't my type. Like they are girls who were insecure because they are the good looking and then they get surgery to cover up their ugliness but I can still see they are ugly. And it's overpriced. They just aren't for me.
Club was emptier than I thought. For 11 pm.
Is it rain? Is it because. It's Saturday? Holiday maybe? What's the deal?
Lots of Indian guys at the park tho which is interesting.
Went to la isla. Took me like 30 minutes to get an Uber. Taxis are charging me 30 k to go to la isla. I'm like nah and Ubers are cancelling in front of my face because the police that is specifically designed to stop Ubers from taking customer is right next to my pick up spot. I finally got one tho for 9 k.
La isla was also emptier than I would imagine for 12 pm Saturday night.
Saw a girl I did last year was surprised she was still there. But should I really be surprised now that the price is 550 k. Ridiculous. She was hounding.
Me to have sex I'm like nah I just came to scope out the talent. She did tell me however that it is kinda empty today and that a ton of girls, the majority, come on Wednesday and Sunday. So I'm going to go and check it out on those days. I did be friend one girl I not really befriend but I got her Instagram and I know for a fact she comes on Thursdays so I'm going to do her on Thursday.
Saw the girl I lost my virginity to there. Was also surprised she was there because I thought she went to Mexico. Was a pleasant encounter. Sweet girl.
Here are my thoughts Santa Fe Bogota clubs vs la isla:
La isla has a high price now. I only saw one girl who I would pay that price for and she wasn't even that crazy Good.
I will say that La Isla quality concentrates very heavily around seven. You'll find a lot of 7's. La isla is very consistent you'll find a multitude of sevens and a handful of eights.
Bogota on the other hand the bad is really bad but the good is really good. There's a lot of variance because they import the girls and everybody who lives in Santa Fe is terrible but the girls are really good. Isla on the other hand because everybody's mostly from Medellin and girls from medellin are just consistently above average, Isla is just consistently above average with a handful of eights and maybe one day you'll find a nine.
Either way, I have three months here. I'll try to find some success and report back on like what's the best way that has worked out for me is it camgirls is it Casas is it online? Is it Facebook who knows?
I just want two girls that are at my beck and Call, and whenever I need them to come, they do the job and I don't have to think about it so the only thing I have to think about is how to make more money that's it.[/QUOTE]Are there any other clubs like gustos? Seems like it's just park sws but I kinda like the club pick up atmosphere better.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857659]Sorry sir. I am not in the business of warming up hookers. Why are you even trying to compare what I said I do with hookers to what I did not say I do with a normal girlfriend? I do not travel with hookers. I do not go to dinner with hookers. This has nothing to do with a normal girlfriend. There is a lot of shit I do not do with hookers that I do with normal girlfriends. It is a shame that some people can not separate the two and do not know there are differences.[/QUOTE]Sometimes with hookers you just want to basically rip off their clothes as soon as you get them in the room, dump a load in them, and get rid of them as soon as possible.
I remember many years ago when I used to hang in Tijuana on the weekends I encountered a woman who worked the streets part time, and whenever I would go with her she would always complain about her husband whom she referred to as "Speedie Gonzalez".
She would tell me that when he penetrated her that after about twenty pumps he would blow his load and she was so frustrated as he couldn't even last two minutes, which wasn't nearly enough time for her to even get warmed up, let alone orgasm.
So perhaps for some giving a hooker 10 minutes of their time is being generous. LOL.
[QUOTE=BlanLocal;2857596]Is the new one the same format? Any idea where its located?[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras with the new club, Black Diamond.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2857492]I was enjoying your post until you let me down with the punter 101 misstep of not getting the phone number of a girl you really enjoyed. I like to err on the side of caution because I much prefer the bother of deleting numbers I later decide I won't use to regretting not getting the number of I girl I really want to see again. I'm with you 100% about the silicone. Besides my dislike for it, I feel badly for the girls who do it to themselves. It's a big health risk. I've talked a few girls out of it.[/QUOTE]In 2009 I was in New Life seated with one other monger, a local, when the lineup paraded. In that lineup was one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. The papasan asked the Colombian dude for his choice and my mind was going bonkers. He chose, to my consternation and relief, another woman. I immediately selected my choice who turned out to be also a nice person and a very good lay. After I left the place I thought I should have taken her phone number but those were the days when hot providers were readily available in the casas. However, as time went on I began to feel more and more that I should have taken her number. I returned the next day to seek her but she was not there and never to be seen by me again. To this day I regret not having got her contact information.
I'm not going to lie. I've made that mistake too although it's been quite a while. If I had to guess I'm going to say the Colombian's choice had a fatter ass than the girl you wanted. I know a very attractive and slender girl who works in a casa. She told me most of her clients are foreigners because the Colombians don't go for her body type.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2858032]In 2009 I was in New Life seated with one other monger, a local, when the lineup paraded. In that lineup was one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. The papasan asked the Colombian dude for his choice and my mind was going bonkers. He chose, to my consternation and relief, another woman. I immediately selected my choice who turned out to be also a nice person and a very good lay. After I left the place I thought I should have taken her phone number but those were the days when hot providers were readily available in the casas. However, as time went on I began to feel more and more that I should have taken her number. I returned the next day to seek her but she was not there and never to be seen by me again. To this day I regret not having got her contact information.[/QUOTE]
Are hotels in Medellin mostly guest friendly? If they aren't, anyone have recommendations in the El Poblado area?
I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
I decided to give the security guy the 125 bucks I was supposed the pay the girl, told him to get something nice for his wife. 125+40=165 USD and NO ASS
It's 5 am in Medellin and I am pissed but I am good. One of my homegirls will get here at 2 pm and she will take care of me for much less with no hassle (and she fine AF).
I don't only report wins, last time I got a girl out of Gustos, I paid her 125K PESOS I think due to some miscommunication. Tonight was a loss but there's tom, win some lose some.
Here's tonight's takeaway.
Follow your instincts and judgment.
Take care of building staff (security and waitress, cleaning crew).
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185] One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it.
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.[/QUOTE]Firstly, helping newbies usually ends up as a loss. Not even a breakeven situation because they never listen to a pros advice.
She came up to you was the first red flag. That is an 80% bad omen.
Thanks for taking one for the team! You helped another guy down the line. I get tired of doing it all the time. If more guys fought back then the girls will be less likely to F us over. She still received a good payday of 160,000 COP.
Last night I took a girl for the 4th time. Very rare occurrence. But it was rainy and late. I swear for a split second she was about to ask for money first this time. Then she held up her hands showing 10 (100,000 COP) when I paid her 50,000 the first 3 times. It was cool outside so she pulled her half shirt up but not off (thin girl so probably cold). She tried slightly to have me not suck on her boobs (never happened before). I took a little longer and offered 10,000 COP extra to finish. She wanted 20,000 COP. I agreed because I never gave her extra before and knew this was our last hurray.
I swear these girls must think I have fallen in love with them. Same crap happened to me in the Philippines years ago. 80% of the girls turn to crap on the 3rd or 4th meeting (the very few that make it that far).
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858038]I'm not going to lie. I've made that mistake too although it's been quite a while. If I had to guess I'm going to say the Colombian's choice had a fatter ass than the girl you wanted. I know a very attractive and slender girl who works in a casa. She told me most of her clients are foreigners because the Colombians don't go for her body type.[/QUOTE]As recent as 6 years ago New Life had really hot chicas. Back in 2016 I chose this young chica who must have been 18/19 with slim body and pretty face. Thing is she was inexperienced. She was so tight I had problems penetrating even with lube. If I remember correctly I did not come. Tight body and small firm breasts. The inexperience made the chemistry all wrong.
[QUOTE=Zdon34;2858111]Are hotels in Medellin mostly guest friendly? If they aren't, anyone have recommendations in the El Poblado area?[/QUOTE]Provenza lofts is girl friendly. Lost my "virginity" there. There another hotel near by that is by the same owner as Provenza lofts but I don't remember the name.
And I think hotel dix is also girl friendly but I ah ent been there.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185]I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
[/QUOTE]The ones with ugly faces are always the worst. Every girl that I had that has great looking face was always nice. Also I feel like the more girls charge the more entitled and bratty they will be. Also I always pay up front. Every girl I've ever been with expects it upfront the first time. After the second time they know me and trust me so they just come in do the deed and I pay them and they are happy. I don't know what's up with gustos but it seems to attract girls that act that way. I would only take a 9 out from gustos and I've never seen a 9 in Colombia that is working. A 9 is objectively perfect. A 10 is objectively perfect and your type.
I get lazy sometime and don't want to go out and find girls at gusto or other clubs.
Tinder has been good to me when I initially came, but the last week it was getting really slow.
Last night I decided to purchase tinder platinum and I got 26 new matches overnight.
Two of them are 9's and I'm looking forward knocking them down (they are pros for sure).
What I like about dating apps, is that you can find both a real GF and you can pay others if you like.
I haven't used [URL]seeking.com[/URL] on here, but I saw that there are a crazy amount of girls on there.
I feel like they are overpriced there, does anyone have experience on seeking in Medellin?
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185]I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
I decided to give the security guy the 125 bucks I was supposed the pay the girl, told him to get something nice for his wife. 125+40=165 USD and NO ASS
It's 5 am in Medellin and I am pissed but I am good. One of my homegirls will get here at 2 pm and she will take care of me for much less with no hassle (and she fine AF).
I don't only report wins, last time I got a girl out of Gustos, I paid her 125K PESOS I think due to some miscommunication. Tonight was a loss but there's tom, win some lose some.
Here's tonight's takeaway.
Follow your instincts and judgment.
Take care of building staff (security and waitress, cleaning crew).
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.[/QUOTE]I had one like that, luckily she had a job and no choice but to leave my place empty handed. I had another I met in lleras, I told her straight up I wasn't paying I just wanted to kick it with her, she said it was a slow night for her so she didn't mind. I did have to pay to get her phone fixed in the am though, but wasn't much LOL.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185]I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
I decided to give the security guy the 125 bucks I was supposed the pay the girl, told him to get something nice for his wife. 125+40=165 USD and NO ASS
It's 5 am in Medellin and I am pissed but I am good. One of my homegirls will get here at 2 pm and she will take care of me for much less with no hassle (and she fine AF).
I don't only report wins, last time I got a girl out of Gustos, I paid her 125K PESOS I think due to some miscommunication. Tonight was a loss but there's tom, win some lose some.
Here's tonight's takeaway.
Follow your instincts and judgment.
Take care of building staff (security and waitress, cleaning crew).
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.[/QUOTE]I had something kind of sort of similar happen to me in Bogota back in August. I had a homegirl bring me a friend of hers (SF SG) to my hotel on cra 13 and Calle 22 near santa fe.
The deal was suppose to be 100 mil COP for BBFS. I also had to pay 20 mil exidente to the hotel to bring her to my room.
Anyways long story short we get in my room and she starts demanding the 100 mil pesos adelentado (up front) and I'm like "siempre pago después" And she says no and that she always charges up front and insists on the money. So then I start making sure she understood how the service was going to be because I know from experience that when you pay up front they often change the rules of the agreement and don't do what was agreed upon. So I asked her if she understood that the servicio was sin condóand and then she replies "tenemos que cuidarnos".
After hearing that in my mind I'm like nah ***** your getting the fuck out of my room your not getting a dime let alone 100 mil pesos. So I ask her politely in Spanish to leave, I'm like "sabes que no quiero el servicio, usted puede salir de mi pieza, porfa" and get this, the ***** refuses to fucking leave my room. Amazing. This makes me even more mad that she won't leave, and I'm a pretty big dude I'm like 230 lbs. So I literally pick the ***** up and throw her into the hall way and shut the door to my room behind me locking us both outside of the room. Then I start calling her pinche gonorrhea and hijueputa and all that shit why que me the asco why sal de mi hotel pinche Veneca, etc.
Then the hotel manager dude, whom I've known since 2018, comes and escorts her the rest of the way out to the street. And I explain what happened to the hotel dude how she wanted to charge me upfront and tried to change the terms of the agreement and then refused to leave after being asked politely to do so. And low and behold he gave me back my 20 mil I had paid for her exidente fee and told me I was in the right to ask her to leave.
-Gabacho.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2858230]The ones with ugly faces are always the worst. Every girl that I had that has great looking face was always nice. Also I feel like the more girls charge the more entitled and bratty they will be. Also I always pay up front. Every girl I've ever been with expects it upfront the first time. After the second time they know me and trust me so they just come in do the deed and I pay them and they are happy. I don't know what's up with gustos but it seems to attract girls that act that way. I would only take a 9 out from gustos and I've never seen a 9 in Colombia that is working. A 9 is objectively perfect. A 10 is objectively perfect and your type.[/QUOTE]Well I think some might disagree with you regarding looks and service if that is what your referring to with the "ugly girls" as I think at times the ones with the prettier faces are worse, but that is just my opinion.
However on more substantial issue, paying up front when your taking someone back to your place, or them requesting payment up front beforehand is a huge red flag.
As once they've been paid they may just lay there, provide shitty service, and push to get the deed done ASAP.
This doesn't always happen, but there is a simple solution to guarantee hopefully a better session.
Before leaving with the girl, simply tell them that you always pay afterwards, and if they are not willing to accept this, then consider saying adios as this is a red flag.
And a compromise position if your really enamored with the girl is to offer one half up front and the other half upon completion.
Sometimes, myself included, forget that we as mongers are in the drivers seat, not the hooker.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185]I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
I decided to give the security guy the 125 bucks I was supposed the pay the girl, told him to get something nice for his wife. 125+40=165 USD and NO ASS
It's 5 am in Medellin and I am pissed but I am good. One of my homegirls will get here at 2 pm and she will take care of me for much less with no hassle (and she fine AF).
I don't only report wins, last time I got a girl out of Gustos, I paid her 125K PESOS I think due to some miscommunication. Tonight was a loss but there's tom, win some lose some.
Here's tonight's takeaway.
Follow your instincts and judgment.
Take care of building staff (security and waitress, cleaning crew).
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.[/QUOTE]Nice play Carrib, I can tell you heart was in the right place to give the security guy the 125. I am assuming he caught your back and rid that girl from your apartment. Bro, I also got to say though, if you take a girl back to your place, unless she is denying service, drugging you, or robbing you, you got to pay her bro. I can't say I totally blame her here. Also logically speaking, that was a huge amount of money to throw a security guard, that 125 $ was probably his weekly paycheck. The only thing this guy will think for the rest of his interactions with gringos is how can he get money out of them and he's going to replay this story to everyone he knows. I respect a good tipper, but 125 $ to a security guard is overboard and sets a bad precedent which can affect the game. Always respect the game before the hoe playa.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2858230]The ones with ugly faces are always the worst. Every girl that I had that has great looking face was always nice. Also I feel like the more girls charge the more entitled and bratty they will be. Also I always pay up front. Every girl I've ever been with expects it upfront the first time. After the second time they know me and trust me so they just come in do the deed and I pay them and they are happy. I don't know what's up with gustos but it seems to attract girls that act that way. I would only take a 9 out from gustos and I've never seen a 9 in Colombia that is working. A 9 is objectively perfect. A 10 is objectively perfect and your type.[/QUOTE]You are the only monger in history who has said "I always pay up front".
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2858324]Nice play Carrib, I can tell you heart was in the right place to give the security guy the 125. I am assuming he caught your back and rid that girl from your apartment. Bro, I also got to say though, if you take a girl back to your place, unless she is denying service, drugging you, or robbing you, you got to pay her bro. I can't say I totally blame her here. Also logically speaking, that was a huge amount of money to throw a security guard, that 125 $ was probably his weekly paycheck. The only thing this guy will think for the rest of his interactions with gringos is how can he get money out of them and he's going to replay this story to everyone he knows. I respect a good tipper, but 125 $ to a security guard is overboard and sets a bad precedent which can affect the game. Always respect the game before the hoe playa.[/QUOTE]
Ram that is good advice and I appreciate it, however I am sure i agree with “if u take a girl back to your place, you have to pay her” however to your point, I alway say never get into an argument with a Chica, so I will also pay something to get her ass to leave.
It was a huge amount and that was an additional fuck up on my part-in any case I have a few more days to try to talk to said security guard and explain why I gave him so much money. I can't remember the last time I had a problem with a Chica as I usually screen them well but this time I was caught off guard with a Chica I would normally never give the time of day, again my mistake. As for warning them that you never pay of front, what if she lies and then demand payment up front? The problem is that most of these Chicas understand that the majority of gringos fear the Colombian polce and oftentimes use that to their advantage.
Oh
One last word about paying upfront, that sets a terrible precedent so please refrain from doing so, if a Chica demands payment upfront, you can show her you have the money to pay her and if she still refuses, show her ass the door. Hopefully you won't have to deal with the BS I encountered. She's lucky we weren't at a love motel, I would I simply paid the hotel and left her ass there. Some of you mongers have allowed these putas to take complete control of the mongering scene here in Medellin, basic and borderline ugly putas are asking 250 USD.
It isn't always going to be a problem. In my experience more often than not the best case scenario after you pay up front is a subpar session, and it goes downhill from there. There are too many other options to take the risk in my opinion. Sometimes I will tell a girl that she offended me by asking. That's helped put them on defensive and sometimes accept my terms. If they don't then I just move on. I don't have first time encounters in my home. A couple of the short time joints in Centro are like second homes to me so I guess they count as exceptions.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2858323]Well I think some might disagree with you regarding looks and service if that is what your referring to with the "ugly girls" as I think at times the ones with the prettier faces are worse, but that is just my opinion.
However on more substantial issue, paying up front when your taking someone back to your place, or them requesting payment up front beforehand is a huge red flag.
As once they've been paid they may just lay there, provide shitty service, and push to get the deed done ASAP.
This doesn't always happen, but there is a simple solution to guarantee hopefully a better session.
Before leaving with the girl, simply tell them that you always pay afterwards, and if they are not willing to accept this, then consider saying adios as this is a red flag.
And a compromise position if your really enamored with the girl is to offer one half up front and the other half upon completion.
Sometimes, myself included, forget that we as mongers are in the drivers seat, not the hooker.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to briefly add this in hopes that it might help. Been to Colombia many times. I hate Cartagena due to the heat. Bogota is like a western city. Medellin however, wow how beautiful she is.
If you are looking to meet people, facebook is the best way. Just do a search of random people in medellin or Antiquola (spelling), and just message and friend people. I used to have a FB, and pretty much once you make one friend, they all start messaging you. This is the safest manner.
Club gusto sucks. Parque lleras is cool, but there is better spots. The mansion hotel is a good beginner spot from what I heard. Never went since I was connecting with people on Facebook.
One thing however, be careful with drugs. Its really popular down there, and really cheap. I haven't went back in 18 months. Last thing that kinda worried me was a guy from Southern CA getting drugged and killed by a chick he met on tinder. To everyone on this sub, Colombia is a poor country. So be mindful. Someone once gave me a few basic rules.
1. Be mindful. In Colombia, people will kill you for $50-$100 USD.
2. don't look at anyone wrong. You never know if that nerd is the nephew of the cartel boss.
3. Be aware of your surroundings.
4. Cops are crooks here. Don't carry shit with you since I have had many times cops stop me and pat me down.
I usually stayed in Poblado, at a nice airbnb. When booking an airbnb, contact the peopele via Airbnb and find their company on google. You can usually save up to 30% by not going through airbnb and instead booking through their company page.
Anyways, that's it for now. I have so much to share but am a little disorganized with my thoughts. If you're going to medellin, enjoy! Its a fucking beautiful place. Imagine a city in a jungle bowl. And the women, wow are they beautiful. I mean The Paisas, women from Medellin, they are a mix between european and latin. Light complexion, beautiful.
Hope to share more soon! For now, I got to start gettting ready for my Thailand trip!
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185]I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
I decided to give the security guy the 125 bucks I was supposed the pay the girl, told him to get something nice for his wife. 125+40=165 USD and NO ASS
It's 5 am in Medellin and I am pissed but I am good. One of my homegirls will get here at 2 pm and she will take care of me for much less with no hassle (and she fine AF).
I don't only report wins, last time I got a girl out of Gustos, I paid her 125K PESOS I think due to some miscommunication. Tonight was a loss but there's tom, win some lose some.
Here's tonight's takeaway.
Follow your instincts and judgment.
Take care of building staff (security and waitress, cleaning crew).
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.[/QUOTE]Gustos is a shit show. What are you doing there. It's a zombie apocalypse.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858465]It isn't always going to be a problem. In my experience more often than not the best case scenario after you pay up front is a subpar session, and it goes downhill from there. There are too many other options to take the risk in my opinion. Sometimes I will tell a girl that she offended me by asking. That's helped put them on defensive and sometimes accept my terms. If they don't then I just move on. I don't have first time encounters in my home. A couple of the short time joints in Centro are like second homes to me so I guess they count as exceptions.[/QUOTE]In very simple terms, any one who pays upfront loses all their leverage with a Chica, and some of the more devious Chicas will renege on what was agreed to and even request additional monies to include what was originally agreed to after being paid.
And for many of the newbie mongers here with little to no experience in Colombia, and little to no Spanish speaking skills, they can get taken, especially when a Chica threatens to call the Police as than typically the monger becomes frightened.
There's just to many pitfalls in paying upfront, and I made this mistake around ten years ago when I was in Santa Fe in Bogota, my time was limited, and for whatever reason I made the mistake of paying upfront for a Chica, and I got burned.
The girl was nice enough and everything was fine in the room until I noticed lots of blood on the condom.
You talk about a boner killer, upon the sight of the blood I immediately ended the session, and the girl told me it was normal for her to work during her period.
And she was very blatant about it, not even trying to play dumb like she didn't know she was on her period which is typically what is said when Chicas pull this stunt.
So this is just one example of the risks in paying upfront.
As far as mongering in Centro, I can't ever remember a Chica asking me to pay her upfront, but we are talking chump change of typically $ 10 USD there and even less. LOL.
However, I do remember one incident in Centro where I agreed to 30 K with a Chica, and when we got into the room she said she wanted 40 K.
So I got up and said goodbye while she begged me to stay saying that she would accept what was originally agreed to.
So she made nothing, and I was out the cost of the room which is chump change and avoided what would not of been a good session after the drama.
I think everyone here would agree that avoiding a "bad session" is paramount.
So if I think a bad session may be in the works when I'm with a Chica, I end the session and move on.
[QUOTE=Moto1452;2858236]I get lazy sometime and don't want to go out and find girls at gusto or other clubs.
Tinder has been good to me when I initially came, but the last week it was getting really slow.
Last night I decided to purchase tinder platinum and I got 26 new matches overnight.
Two of them are 9's and I'm looking forward knocking them down (they are pros for sure).
What I like about dating apps, is that you can find both a real GF and you can pay others if you like.
I haven't used [URL]seeking.com[/URL] on here, but I saw that there are a crazy amount of girls on there.
I feel like they are overpriced there, does anyone have experience on seeking in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Seeking doesn't want to take my credit card.
I tried this tinder thing. With platinum. Didn't get any matches. Maybe I'll wait a day.
I did see a few cams girls.
I know on that. These are cam girls that didn't want to give me their contact info so we could meet up. I also saw a few girls from seeking on tinder.
I probably don't get any matches because these girls don't think I'm foreigner. I look Hispanic.
Tried looking for a girls on mileroticos. None of the girls are replying. It's seems like they treat this as a job. Monday to Friday 10 to 6 pm. No overtime.
[QUOTE=Shemp;2858364]You are the only monger in history who has said "I always pay up front".[/QUOTE]Crazy lmao. Ok will say that yes. There have been times where I have paid up front and got bad service. Once from a girl who used to do lleras for 250 k then moved to gustos recently and now charges at least 150 usd. I gave her 400 thinking I was being nice because I know her from before she did gustos. She took the money and refused to do another until I have her 50 usd more. I was like gtfo. Did try to take the money back because I don't want problems / it's too much of. A Hassle. The other time was a entro girl I met at lleras. Payed her when we got to my place in hindsight she was ugly af. She started begging for beers and I bought them for her. She wouldn't listen when I would tell her what to do. Wanted to do it her own way. I'm like just gtfo lmao.
Maybe paying afterwards is the way. And that's what usually happens when the girl has been there for the second time. She knows the deal and she can trust me but I feel like if I don't pay before the service is going to be bad or they are going to want to rush. Idk. You guys are argue the opposite. Maybe you're right.
I read once that a guy here shows them the money but doesn't pay but pays after to show hey I have the money but I'm paying you after.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2858561]
I read once that a guy here shows them the money but doesn't pay but pays after to show hey I have the money but I'm paying you after.[/QUOTE]I have another way to deal with this. If she 'insists' on being paid up front (and you don't like the chances of that working out) OR is changing the agreement and you just want her gone, you do this.
Pretend to go look for the money she wants, then pretend that you don't have enough or any at all (your choice). Tell her that you really thought you had the cash, but that you must have lost it or got pick pocketed, or some other excuse. Tell her she can follow you to an ATM to get the cash. You must do this with a very friendly and believable face. Tell her that you can understand why she'd want money up front, that you too have heard of men who try to cheat girls.
Once you are outside the Hotel / Room, give her taxi money ONLY and say 'adios chica'.
[QUOTE=Moto1452;2858236]I get lazy sometime and don't want to go out and find girls at gusto or other clubs.
Tinder has been good to me when I initially came, but the last week it was getting really slow.
Last night I decided to purchase tinder platinum and I got 26 new matches overnight.
Two of them are 9's and I'm looking forward knocking them down (they are pros for sure).
What I like about dating apps, is that you can find both a real GF and you can pay others if you like.
I haven't used [URL]seeking.com[/URL] on here, but I saw that there are a crazy amount of girls on there.
I feel like they are overpriced there, does anyone have experience on seeking in Medellin?[/QUOTE]It's all pros. They all pretend they are high class and not a full time prepago. It's all BS.
I have seen a lot of fb and tinder girls on seeking.
Girls on seeking really play lotto. Trying for 3-500 usd and a free expensive meal. This is the hustle.
Hoeflation: the idea that we in our generation have to put in twice the work and pay twice as much for a girl half as good as our grandfathers did.
I messaged a girl in mileroticos on August while I was in Bogota. She's In Medellin and tells me it's 300 k for the hour. I get to Medellin in October and she's like it's 450 k. Messaged her from a Colombian number. It's still 450.
Hoeflation. She's like 7. 5 -8. And she doesn’t do natural oral anymore. Wouldn’t want that anyways. Saw her sucking some tranny guy on camera
Like I said they're playing lotto.
They find one or two guys who pay that.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2858561]
Maybe paying afterwards is the way. And that's what usually happens when the girl has been there for the second time. She knows the deal and she can trust me but I feel like if I don't pay before the service is going to be bad or they are going to want to rush. Idk. You guys are argue the opposite. Maybe you're right.[/QUOTE]All the endless posts about paying after in almost every location in the world are crazy wrong. You are the brilliant one. Carryon paying first. If you want the very best service that will simply make your head spin. Pay her before you even leave the bar, disco, or restaurant where you found her. That will build killer trust!
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858185]I am back in Medellin but this time I am with a few friends who have never been. These guys wanted to go to gustos and against my better judgment I decided to take them. I tried to tell them don't negotiate in dollars but they all hooked up for 125-150 USD for what I think were 7 and 8's. One of the stragglers came and sat next to me, eventually a convo re prices began, she wanted 250 USD, immediately I said fuck no and to be honest her face was a 7 at best but really nice body. After a few drinks we decided on 125 USD still much more I was willing to pay but I made a deal and reluctantly decided to honor it. We made it to the apartment, she stripped down to her panties but her face was even worse now with the lights on. She demanded money first, FUCK NO. Now she becomes agitated and threatens to call the police and eventually does. I of course call building security and told them to get the puta out of my apt, she refuses to leave, police arrive, building security talks to them and they leave without issue. She demands 40 USD to leave and I give it to the security guy who escorts her out of the apt.
I decided to give the security guy the 125 bucks I was supposed the pay the girl, told him to get something nice for his wife. 125+40=165 USD and NO ASS
It's 5 am in Medellin and I am pissed but I am good. One of my homegirls will get here at 2 pm and she will take care of me for much less with no hassle (and she fine AF).
I don't only report wins, last time I got a girl out of Gustos, I paid her 125K PESOS I think due to some miscommunication. Tonight was a loss but there's tom, win some lose some.
Here's tonight's takeaway.
Follow your instincts and judgment.
Take care of building staff (security and waitress, cleaning crew).
Never argue with a Chica if the cost to resolve is minimal, in this case she wanted 40 bucks to go away = I paid it.[/QUOTE]If a girl acts dumb then I tell them call the damn cops. And I explain the situation and give the cops money so that the girl gets nothing. It's a loss either way.
At least if I give it to the cops they won't share with the girl. If I don't then the cops might take the girls side and make me pay the girl and she'll split it with them anyway.
ID at least fuck her in another way and she won't be going to bed happy either. LOL.
Went to Zandalay Saturday 3:45.9 girls. None were worth a crap. That place is stupid. I walk in. 3 guys and 4 girls at the bar drinking and talking. I buy a drink and sit down at the bench seat alone. 5 minutes later another guy comes in and sits alone across from me at another bench seat. I wait another 10 minutes. During that time a group of 3 guys come up the stairs, look around, and quickly leave. The people working there are too damn stupid to tell the 3 guys to sit down and they will bring out the rest of the girls. The people working there seem to think it is a bar and not a brothel. I have to ask the worker there to show me the girls. The girls introduce themselves and I pay and leave. Coke cost me 6000 COP there versus 3000 COP at the much better New Life.
New Life same day at 4:15. Around 20 girls. Did a pretty one with a pleasing personality. Will hopefully get the other one I wanted on Monday.
FYI New Life Halloween Party October 28th on Saturday.
First time to either one of those in 2. 5 years. Quality down. Talked to a Colombian guy as we walked out who was raised in the USA he said the same thing. He mentioned how 10 years ago the girls were super hot back then.
No pregnant girls at Botero (FYI for those fetish guys to save you a trip). 4 girls now with boob jobs at Centro. Not huge jobs because they had little to start with. I know because I had sex with 3 of them. The 4th one I was not into 2 years ago when I first saw her. She was small last month but suddenly her body shape grabbed my attention. I checked out her body and then her face and realized who she was. Still not interested because one of her friends who also had a boob job was so bad I did not cum.
Getting bored of Centro in just 2. 5 months. Too many repeats. Not enough new girls. With the rainy season now it is boring the crap out of me and the rain has only been here for less than 2 weeks. Will move to Laureles for a week or two and try some spas and online girls. Pray for me.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853839]
So based on your estimate, are your saying that 5% of the gringos will drive the pricing so high in Centro for both locals and gringos, that the majority of the Centro girls will jump to Poblado.
The customers who pull in Pobaldo are not going to go with the majority of girls of work Centro as they not very desirable.
The "jump" of girls from Centro to Poblado has been taking place for several months now, and the quality is not all that great, and I doubt it can become any more saturated, especially with more fat and ugly girls from Centro.
Also, based on the majority of the clients being locals in Centro, my prediction is pricing won't change much in Centro except for inflation.
And also something you may not be aware of, but the locals do control pricing to a certain degree in Centro.
If you spend much time in Centro and observe how the locals interact with the girls, a lot of times a local will go up to a girl, and then after a short period of time will walk away.
Typically what has happened is that the local made a "offer" below what the SW wanted which typically a lot of the locals do with the SW's.
So the SW's are cognizant of how sensitive pricing can be, and if they all tried to ask for too much would have little to no business.
So the notion that there is going to be a mass exodus of the Centro girls to Poblado in the future is hard to imagine.
And as far as local and gringo pricing, believe it or not, there are gringos here that can and do get "local pricing" in Centro, but they have Spanish speaking skills.[/QUOTE]I always wanted to come back and correct all your errors on your post. But as soon as I start I have to stop. I just do not have that kind of time. So so much is wrong. You really have no idea what is happening right in front of your eyes. You take few girls and keep taking the same ones. I am a one and done type of guy so I am taking more girls and a larger variety of girls and am far more in touch with girls' asking prices, hotels, etc.
The girls keep asking for more and more money. I have had several ask for more money in the 2 months I have been in Centro taking the same girl. Met a blonde girl at the yellow corner restaurant asking 60,000 COP now. So the Colombians are causing this? No. It is because there are more and more 2 week millionaires. Paying Colombian prices is nothing on a 2 week trip. In the near future the Centro girls will only need ten 2 week millionaires per week to make the same as 30 locals and thus not need the Colombians except for emergency money. The majority or not moving their bodies and making their money in Poblado. They have a different method. Not brilliant. Just different. You have not figured this out. I know because you would have announced it to everyone trying to show your brilliance.
In 5 years Centro will be dead. I never meant all the girls will be gone in the post you are talking about. All that needs to happen in the top 20%. I know that once the top 20% are gone then nearly all the foreigners will also be gone. Fact is the quality in the clubs, spas / casas, and street are all down. Read the posts from the last year from all the different venues for getting girls. All the guys have the same comments about each and every venue. Nowhere has gotten better and nowhere has stayed the same. Centro has dropped 5% in numbers and quality. Another 5% in the next 1. 5 years and I will not be returning myself. Once the change happens it will accelerate. Everyone is talking about it. Even travel articles talking about the jump in tourism numbers to Colombia.
I wish you knew all that you think you do. Your talking about locals walking up to street girls and walking away telling me it is because the girls ask too much. Wow, a one hour old newbie can figure that out. But there are many reasons. He asked for kinky stuff and she said no. He got her Whatsapp to make a later date. He is a regular and just saying Hi and he will meet her tomorrow. She is used to gringo prices where she receives 10,000+ COP more. The guys do not control the prices. The girls do. The girls are especially learning this with the 2 week millionaires who have limited time and a large budget. The girls are learning quickly how to prioritize. 2 week millionaires are first, local gringos second, and then the local Colombians. Saw the same thing in the Philippines. There it was Koreans first and the rest of the foreigners second.
You are unable to connect the dots because you do not even see them all. I only gave a very small handful and I have only been here for 2 months and have been gone for 2 years.
I think your two-month pricing experience has more to do with you than it does with the market. I don't know you but I've spent a bit more than two months at a time in the area.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858619]I always wanted to come back and correct all your errors on your post. But as soon as I start I have to stop. I just do not have that kind of time. So so much is wrong. You really have no idea what is happening right in front of your eyes. You take few girls and keep taking the same ones. I am a one and done type of guy so I am taking more girls and a larger variety of girls and am far more in touch with girls' asking prices, hotels, etc.
The girls keep asking for more and more money. I have had several ask for more money in the 2 months I have been in Centro taking the same girl. Met a blonde girl at the yellow corner restaurant asking 60,000 COP now. So the Colombians are causing this? No. It is because there are more and more 2 week millionaires. Paying Colombian prices is nothing on a 2 week trip. In the near future the Centro girls will only need ten 2 week millionaires per week to make the same as 30 locals and thus not need the Colombians except for emergency money. The majority or not moving their bodies and making their money in Poblado. They have a different method. Not brilliant. Just different. You have not figured this out. I know because you would have announced it to everyone trying to show your brilliance..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858599]All the endless posts about paying after in almost every location in the world are crazy wrong. You are the brilliant one. Carryon paying first. If you want the very best service that will simply make your head spin. Pay her before you even leave the bar, disco, or restaurant where you found her. That will build killer trust![/QUOTE]When you meet a girl in an establishment it seems best to confirm that payment would be made after rapture before you leave the place arm in arm.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858619]I always wanted to come back and correct all your errors on your post. But as soon as I start I have to stop. I just do not have that kind of time. So so much is wrong. You really have no idea what is happening right in front of your eyes. You take few girls and keep taking the same ones. I am a one and done type of guy so I am taking more girls and a larger variety of girls and am far more in touch with girls' asking prices, hotels, etc.
The girls keep asking for more and more money. I have had several ask for more money in the 2 months I have been in Centro taking the same girl. Met a blonde girl at the yellow corner restaurant asking 60,000 COP now. So the Colombians are causing this? No. It is because there are more and more 2 week millionaires. Paying Colombian prices is nothing on a 2 week trip. In the near future the Centro girls will only need ten 2 week millionaires per week to make the same as 30 locals and thus not need the Colombians except for emergency money. The majority or not moving their bodies and making their money in Poblado. They have a different method. Not brilliant. Just different. You have not figured this out. I know because you would have announced it to everyone trying to show your brilliance.
In 5 years Centro will be dead. I never meant all the girls will be gone in the post you are talking about. All that needs to happen in the top 20%. I know that once the top 20% are gone then nearly all the foreigners will also be gone. Fact is the quality in the clubs, spas / casas, and street are all down. Read the posts from the last year from all the different venues for getting girls. All the guys have the same comments about each and every venue. Nowhere has gotten better and nowhere has stayed the same. Centro has dropped 5% in numbers and quality. Another 5% in the next 1. 5 years and I will not be returning myself. Once the change happens it will accelerate. Everyone is talking about it. Even travel articles talking about the jump in tourism numbers to Colombia.
I wish you knew all that you think you do. Your talking about locals walking up to street girls and walking away telling me it is because the girls ask too much. Wow, a one hour old newbie can figure that out. But there are many reasons. He asked for kinky stuff and she said no. He got her Whatsapp to make a later date. He is a regular and just saying Hi and he will meet her tomorrow. She is used to gringo prices where she receives 10,000+ COP more. The guys do not control the prices. The girls do. The girls are especially learning this with the 2 week millionaires who have limited time and a large budget. The girls are learning quickly how to prioritize. 2 week millionaires are first, local gringos second, and then the local Colombians. Saw the same thing in the Philippines. There it was Koreans first and the rest of the foreigners second.
You are unable to connect the dots because you do not even see them all. I only gave a very small handful and I have only been here for 2 months and have been gone for 2 years.[/QUOTE]I and my wing-man (a Colombian friend) stopped in Avineda Grill (in centro across the street from Botero plaza) yesterday late afternoon / early evening (Saturday 7 PM) and although it was busy with lots of guys enjoying their drinks and many of girls IT WAS THE WORST QUALITY I HAVE SEEN IN 6 YEARS frequenting this club.
The good day are gone, now you have to hunt and hunt to find a decent no scam quality session.
TTM.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858619]I always wanted to come back and correct all your errors on your post. But as soon as I start I have to stop. I just do not have that kind of time. So so much is wrong. You really have no idea what is happening right in front of your eyes. You take few girls and keep taking the same ones. I am a one and done type of guy so I am taking more girls and a larger variety of girls and am far more in touch with girls' asking prices, hotels, etc.
The girls keep asking for more and more money. I have had several ask for more money in the 2 months I have been in Centro taking the same girl. Met a blonde girl at the yellow corner restaurant asking 60,000 COP now. So the Colombians are causing this? No. It is because there are more and more 2 week millionaires. Paying Colombian prices is nothing on a 2 week trip. In the near future the Centro girls will only need ten 2 week millionaires per week to make the same as 30 locals and thus not need the Colombians except for emergency money. The majority or not moving their bodies and making their money in Poblado. They have a different method. Not brilliant. Just different. You have not figured this out. I know because you would have announced it to everyone trying to show your brilliance.
In 5 years Centro will be dead. I never meant all the girls will be gone in the post you are talking about. All that needs to happen in the top 20%. I know that once the top 20% are gone then nearly all the foreigners will also be gone. Fact is the quality in the clubs, spas / casas, and street are all down. Read the posts from the last year from all the different venues for getting girls. All the guys have the same comments about each and every venue. Nowhere has gotten better and nowhere has stayed the same. Centro has dropped 5% in numbers and quality. Another 5% in the next 1. 5 years and I will not be returning myself. Once the change happens it will accelerate. Everyone is talking about it. Even travel articles talking about the jump in tourism numbers to Colombia.
I wish you knew all that you think you do. Your talking about locals walking up to street girls and walking away telling me it is because the girls ask too much. Wow, a one hour old newbie can figure that out. But there are many reasons. He asked for kinky stuff and she said no. He got her Whatsapp to make a later date. He is a regular and just saying Hi and he will meet her tomorrow. She is used to gringo prices where she receives 10,000+ COP more. The guys do not control the prices. The girls do. The girls are especially learning this with the 2 week millionaires who have limited time and a large budget. The girls are learning quickly how to prioritize. 2 week millionaires are first, local gringos second, and then the local Colombians. Saw the same thing in the Philippines. There it was Koreans first and the rest of the foreigners second.
You are unable to connect the dots because you do not even see them all. I only gave a very small handful and I have only been here for 2 months and have been gone for 2 years.[/QUOTE]I've had SGs in Centro quote me 60 mil recently and I always counter with "siempre pago cuarenta mil más la pieza" And 9 times out of 10 they will accept that, very rarely they will counter with 50 mil and even more rarely they won't budge to which I just like "no joda" and move on to the next one.
I suspect the reason they are charging you more is because you are an obvious gringo. Can you even properly pronounce "cuarenta mil"?
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858727]I think your two-month pricing experience has more to do with you than it does with the market. I don't know you but I've spent a bit more than two months at a time in the area.[/QUOTE]Unless you are like him who stays in Centro. Your two months will be different from his.
The problem with the 5% Surfer mentioned does not consider other possibilities. I am making up the numbers as one possibility. Every girl has 20 customers, 1 is gringo so now basically all girls are affected. It's not about that they can really make more, but is how they are being stimulated by money that changes the girl's attitude.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2858820]Unless you are like him who stays in Centro. Your two months will be different from his.
The problem with the 5% Surfer mentioned does not consider other possibilities. I am making up the numbers as one possibility. Every girl has 20 customers, 1 is gringo so now basically all girls are affected. It's not about that they can really make more, but is how they are being stimulated by money that changes the girl's attitude.[/QUOTE]This illustrates my point, if only 5% of the mongers in Centro are foreigners, there's no way those 5% are going to affect the market for the locals, who make up 95% of the clients and are not quoted "gringo pricing".
And the thought that the gringos will drive out the locals over time in Centro that was floated is ridiculous as the numbers don't support it.
And believe it or not, there are foreigners here that do get local pricing contrary to what some may think.
Foreign mongers in Centro are very low in numbers, where as in, and around LLeras, it's the opposite, with the mongers being literally all foreigners, hence the ridiculous pricing every one is reporting.
I see the pricing increases in Centro being pretty much inflation driven, versus in the Lleras area being driven by foreigners and the girls savy enough to take advantage of them.
This is the distinction here, Centro and the Lleras area for mongering are very different, however some don't get the distinction here.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2842081]I bought a Claro SIM the other day in Leticia. It was 10,000 pesos. I asked the guy about registration and it being locked after a while and he told me it would not happen. Guess I will find out for sure next time.[/QUOTE]So the end of July I bought my Claro SIM from a bootleg place in Leticia. I came back to Colombia the other day (2 months later) and my SIM worked fine. To double check, I went to the Claro store at the mall.
I told the lady there my situation and that I wanted to register so my SIM would not be blocked. She said there was no need to do anything and that it would not be blocked. She said but the only way to register would be to use a Colombian's ID. She asked if I wanted the girl I was with to do it. I said well if there is no need to then no.
She said I could go over to the cashier to pay for more credit so that I could add internet. I told the cashier that I only needed internet for 2 days. She said the 3,500 peso plan would do me good. She had a list of all the prepay plans on the wall next to her. I asked if she had a copy and she said no. I gave her my phone and asked her to take a picture of it for me. Looks like the most expensive plan is 41,000 pesos for 12 GB over 30 days. So if someone is telling you to pay more than that, then you know they are ripping you off.
That plan she gave me was only 400 MB. Man I ran out of internet before I even got in the Indriver 1 hour later. Well when I was in the Indriver it said 80% data used.
I tried to add more money to my account through my phone with 2 different credit cards but it would not take. I ended up going to a site where you can add credit (mobilerecharge) and added like $5. Then I was able to choose a better internet plan (7 day 2 GB) from the Claro site.
I certainly agree girls will ask foreigners they don't know, or who they believe many not know better, for unreasonable amounts of money.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2858820]Unless you are like him who stays in Centro. Your two months will be different from his.
The problem with the 5% Surfer mentioned does not consider other possibilities. I am making up the numbers as one possibility. Every girl has 20 customers, 1 is gringo so now basically all girls are affected. It's not about that they can really make more, but is how they are being stimulated by money that changes the girl's attitude.[/QUOTE]
Zandaly has not been the same since it parted ways with Cata just after the pandemic. Cata's place Aventura is better but she told me she struggles to keep a good staff rotation because girls don't want to complete their shifts and prefer the freedom of fishing for clients on the Internet. Aventura is in Chagualo so it's not as convenient or comfortable for foreigners and short term visitors but it's not hard to reach since it's right on the Metroplus stop. These days Amigas Sexxy is I think in second place among Centro casas of gringo interest. Aiffe is as always very unreliable and hasn't made any noticeable facility improvements in the 15 years I've been going there. I avoid New Life. When I was last there about 6 months ago with a bunch of weekend warrior friends I realized the frat house atmosphere has not changed.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858602]Went to Zandalay Saturday 3:45.9 girls. None were worth a crap. That place is stupid. I walk in. 3 guys and 4 girls at the bar drinking and talking. I buy a drink and sit down at the bench seat alone. 5 minutes later another guy comes in and sits alone across from me at another bench seat. I wait another 10 minutes. During that time a group of 3 guys come up the stairs, look around, and quickly leave. The people working there are too damn stupid to tell the 3 guys to sit down and they will bring out the rest of the girls. The people working there seem to think it is a bar and not a brothel. I have to ask the worker there to show me the girls. The girls introduce themselves and I pay and leave. Coke cost me 6000 COP there versus 3000 COP at the much better New Life.
New Life same day at 4:15. Around 20 girls. Did a pretty one with a pleasing personality. Will hopefully get the other one I wanted on Monday.
FYI New Life Halloween Party October 28th on Saturday.
First time to either one of those in 2. 5 years. Quality down. Talked to a Colombian guy as we walked out who was raised in the USA he said the same thing. He mentioned how 10 years ago the girls were super hot back then.
No pregnant girls at Botero (FYI for those fetish guys to save you a trip). 4 girls now with boob jobs at Centro. Not huge jobs because they had little to start with. I know because I had sex with 3 of them. The 4th one I was not into 2 years ago when I first saw her. She was small last month but suddenly her body shape grabbed my attention. I checked out her body and then her face and realized who she was. Still not interested because one of her friends who also had a boob job was so bad I did not cum.
Getting bored of Centro in just 2. 5 months. Too many repeats. Not enough new girls. With the rainy season now it is boring the crap out of me and the rain has only been here for less than 2 weeks. Will move to Laureles for a week or two and try some spas and online girls. Pray for me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2858786]I've had SGs in Centro quote me 60 mil recently and I always counter with "siempre pago cuarenta mil ms la pieza" And 9 times out of 10 they will accept that, very rarely they will counter with 50 mil and even more rarely they won't budge to which I just like "no joda" and move on to the next one.
I suspect the reason they are charging you more is because you are an obvious gringo. Can you even properly pronounce "cuarenta mil"?[/QUOTE]There are foreigners here who pay local prices, and I have as well, and I am an obvious gringo as soon as I start speaking.
What your post illustrates is that a foreigner who knows the market in Centro, and speaks a fair amount of Spanish, along with having some game, can get local pricing, as it seems like a lot of the gringos in Centro just can't seem to navigate the terrain there, and the smarter SW's take advantage of them and hence cannot get local pricing.
You stated that 9 times out of 10 the SW's accept your price, which makes perfect sense, as to why would a SW turn you away if you illustrate your knowledge of the market, as you are no different than their client base which I estimate to be at least 95% locals.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2858458]Ram that is good advice and I appreciate it, however I am sure i agree with if u take a girl back to your place, you have to pay her however to your point, I alway say never get into an argument with a Chica, so I will also pay something to get her ass to leave.
It was a huge amount and that was an additional fuck up on my part-in any case I have a few more days to try to talk to said security guard and explain why I gave him so much money. I can't remember the last time I had a problem with a Chica as I usually screen them well but this time I was caught off guard with a Chica I would normally never give the time of day, again my mistake. As for warning them that you never pay of front, what if she lies and then demand payment up front? The problem is that most of these Chicas understand that the majority of gringos fear the Colombian polce and oftentimes use that to their advantage.
Oh
One last word about paying upfront, that sets a terrible precedent so please refrain from doing so, if a Chica demands payment upfront, you can show her you have the money to pay her and if she still refuses, show her ass the door. Hopefully you won't have to deal with the BS I encountered. She's lucky we weren't at a love motel, I would I simply paid the hotel and left her ass there. Some of you mongers have allowed these putas to take complete control of the mongering scene here in Medellin, basic and borderline ugly putas are asking 250 USD.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify a bit more, I was referring to taking girls out of Gustos or a high end place in Medellin. If you pull a girl out of Gustos and take her back to your rental and get her naked and then she starts trouble because you want to pay her afterward, that is something I wouldn't recommend. I especially wouldn't recommend it if you want to avoid the police or trouble. I have heard of first hand accounts of girls pulling knives and pepper spraying people over situations like this. Discuss it with the girl up front if you want to pay after, but you should probably expect a Gusto girl to flip her shit if you get her naked and then refuse her payment if she wants it before you fuck. Colombian women can go from normal to pyscho in a split second, especially if they are getting turned down to fuck because they are over the hill and this was their main form of income.
As for paying your way out of a sticky situation, I agree 100%, 125 $ to not end of in Colombian prison is well worth it. If that 125 $ to the security guard is what it took to stay out of trouble then I understand, but I was saying if you just threw him 125 for being a good dude, then that tip is too much.
Now a street walker centro girl may be different from a Gusto chica, but if a girl thinks she's getting 125 $ and then gets shot down, well be ready for drama. Always save that drama for your mama Carrib!
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2858833]This illustrates my point, if only 5% of the mongers in Centro are foreigners, there's no way those 5% are going to affect the market for the locals, who make up 95% of the clients and are not quoted "gringo pricing".
And the thought that the gringos will drive out the locals over time in Centro that was floated is ridiculous as the numbers don't support it.
And believe it or not, there are foreigners here that do get local pricing contrary to what some may think.
Foreign mongers in Centro are very low in numbers, where as in, and around LLeras, it's the opposite, with the mongers being literally all foreigners, hence the ridiculous pricing every one is reporting.
I see the pricing increases in Centro being pretty much inflation driven, versus in the Lleras area being driven by foreigners and the girls savy enough to take advantage of them.
This is the distinction here, Centro and the Lleras area for mongering are very different, however some don't get the distinction here.[/QUOTE]The point that was made is not that gringos will affect Centro rates, but that more and more Centro girls, cream of the crop, will work in Poblado and / or online, where they can get much more money. Centro uglies will stay in Centro, and will serve locals and get local rates.
There was a discussion recently about Centro girls working Centro during the day, and Lleras during the night. Those girls who work both locations, will probably stick to Lleras only and then transition to online, or higher end venues. Working both locations is not sustainable, because what's the point? If you, lets say, flip burgers during the day, and get paid X pesos, and do exact same work at night and get paid 10 X pesos, sooner or later you will start picking only night shifts.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2859116]The point that was made is not that gringos will affect Centro rates, but that more and more Centro girls, cream of the crop, will work in Poblado and / or online, where they can get much more money. Centro uglies will stay in Centro, and will serve locals and get local rates.
There was a discussion recently about Centro girls working Centro during the day, and Lleras during the night. Those girls who work both locations, will probably stick to Lleras only and then transition to online, or higher end venues. Working both locations is not sustainable, because what's the point? If you, lets say, flip burgers during the day, and get paid X pesos, and do exact same work at night and get paid 10 X pesos, sooner or later you will start picking only night shifts.[/QUOTE]The problem with that is the income is unpredictable. A girl working El Centro is almost certain to get enough customers to make money, and with the metro and buses, transportation is cheap.
However, going to Lleras, there's a fair chance she won't get a customer every night, and by the time she finishes she'll need to get a taxi. Most of them have no cash reserve, so getting stuck in Lleras is a real risk.
For girls who think, save and plan, then a transition to Lleras is a possibility. For the majority, it's something they'll do occasionally, when they have friends with them and someone has enough money to get back home.
Late report from Labor day.
Back from MDE and spend 5 days in an Airbnb 2 streets over from Energy Living building. Meet with all my girls from Seeking. I use this here in States and all my travels (CR, Peru, Ecuador, Nica, Canada. Etc). 300 k was what I paid for 6 different girls and 1 for 400 k. All of them spent several hours with me out in the city then a few hours or overnight at my place. Most of them I fucked 2 times, all were under 28 and skinny little hotties.
Wtf is up with online? I messaged a bunch of girls most don't respond. When they do respond they respond I try to confirm the time or the place they don't respond.
I had two girls tell me send me the money for the taxi and I'm like no I will send you the Uber paid. They either don't respond or charge me 60 k for taxis. I live right next to this girl BTW. I legit went to her spot for another girl and it was 7 k from my spot.
I went to see the only girl that would actually confirm that I could go there and they bait and switch me with another girl. And then they do the usual o sorry she's not here she's doing a domicilio I can show you the only other girl that is here I'm like whatever this better be the hottest girl I've ever seen because I'm not tolerating this garbageass service. Girl is also ugly. That's why they're don't get picked. Hire better girls. So I leave.
Wtf is happening? Can I get a decent girl to show up and or respond? Wtf.
The most impact gringos have on pricing is the price they pay individually. You are quite right that there are not enough gringos, especially not in Centro, to move the market. There are micro markets that are gringo dominated (e. G. The Mansion / Gringo Inn, Parque Lleras) where gringos are in the majority. Those are exceptional situations. The going rate in Centro is 30,000 to 40,000. I have a select few regulars I bring home from time to time. I give them 50 K. I covered casas in an earlier post. Those prices are not gringo driven either for the same reason as the street rates are not. You can tip your way to higher prices or pay for an hour and get the same one pop you would get for the cost of half an hour but again, that's only going to affect the guy in the room not everybody else. Apologies for the boring post. I just stuck to the facts.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2859043]There are foreigners here who pay local prices, and I have as well, and I am an obvious gringo as soon as I start speaking.
What your post illustrates is that a foreigner who knows the market in Centro, and speaks a fair amount of Spanish, along with having some game, can get local pricing, as it seems like a lot of the gringos in Centro just can't seem to navigate the terrain there, and the smarter SW's take advantage of them and hence cannot get local pricing.
You stated that 9 times out of 10 the SW's accept your price, which makes perfect sense, as to why would a SW turn you away if you illustrate your knowledge of the market, as you are no different than their client base which I estimate to be at least 95% locals.[/QUOTE]
You don't need a Colombian cedula to register your phone. I registered several phones for years before I had my first cedula. You can do it from the phone itself on the Claro app or on the Claro web site. You have to set up an online account first by establishing a user ID and password.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2858906]So the end of July I bought my Claro SIM from a bootleg place in Leticia. I came back to Colombia the other day (2 months later) and my SIM worked fine. To double check, I went to the Claro store at the mall.
I told the lady there my situation and that I wanted to register so my SIM would not be blocked. She said there was no need to do anything and that it would not be blocked. She said but the only way to register would be to use a Colombian's ID. She asked if I wanted the girl I was with to do it. I said well if there is no need to then no.
She said I could go over to the cashier to pay for more credit so that I could add internet. I told the cashier that I only needed internet for 2 days. She said the 3,500 peso plan would do me good. She had a list of all the prepay plans on the wall next to her. I asked if she had a copy and she said no. I gave her my phone and asked her to take a picture of it for me. Looks like the most expensive plan is 41,000 pesos for 12 GB over 30 days. So if someone is telling you to pay more than that, then you know they are ripping you off.
That plan she gave me was only 400 MB. Man I ran out of internet before I even got in the Indriver 1 hour later. Well when I was in the Indriver it said 80% data used.
I tried to add more money to my account through my phone with 2 different credit cards but it would not take. I ended up going to a site where you can add credit (mobilerecharge) and added like $5. Then I was able to choose a better internet plan (7 day 2 GB) from the Claro site.[/QUOTE]
When all hope is lost la isla has your back. Even tho it's 550 k for the room and the girl and 50 k cover and a bunch of 2 k,s to get the strippers of your back it was worth it today. Went with a girl that had a big ass. Doesn't do oral. Should a told me that before going in. She'll do oral for the right guy trust. She doesn't do something? She actually means she just doesn't do it for you.
There were other girls I would have done. But the one I went with had the complete package. It's like some have a nice face but no body. Some have a nice booty but ugly face.
After messaging so many girls and getting ghost 24/7 I had to go to lleras. There was no one there. Lleras street girls are truly the worst of the crop. Went to gustos. There was only 2 girls. The rest of the club is empty.
Went to la isla. Empty. But girls are there. 2 groups of guys. Some girls I would do but they don't justify 125 usd. Except for the one I went with. If they can get all the girls like her I would go more. But I saw girls with no curves. An actual stick in a dress. Thst girl doesn't justify550 k cop. At least I can find 3 girls on any given day.
Lesson learned today: don't talk to online girls past 7.
Tried seeking. Actually bought a membership. Girls that are hot don't message back (I've only been on for a day). Girls that do message back are ugly. Some gave their WhatsApp. Haven't talked prices yet. I have one girl I'm meeting at Thursday at la matriarca. Let's see how that goes. She semi hot like 7 I guess. Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859179]When all hope is lost la isla has your back. Even tho it's 550 k for the room and the girl and 50 k cover and a bunch of 2 k,s to get the strippers of your back it was worth it today. Went with a girl that had a big ass. Doesn't do oral. Should a told me that before going in. She'll do oral for the right guy trust. She doesn't do something? She actually means she just doesn't do it for you.
There were other girls I would have done. But the one I went with had the complete package. It's like some have a nice face but no body. Some have a nice booty but ugly face.
After messaging so many girls and getting ghost 24/7 I had to go to lleras. There was no one there. Lleras street girls are truly the worst of the crop. Went to gustos. There was only 2 girls. The rest of the club is empty.
Went to la isla. Empty. But girls are there. 2 groups of guys. Some girls I would do but they don't justify 125 usd. Except for the one I went with. If they can get all the girls like her I would go more. But I saw girls with no curves. An actual stick in a dress. Thst girl doesn't justify550 k cop. At least I can find 3 girls on any given day.
Lesson learned today: don't talk to online girls past 7.
Tried seeking. Actually bought a membership. Girls that are hot don't message back (I've only been on for a day). Girls that do message back are ugly. Some gave their WhatsApp. Haven't talked prices yet. I have one girl I'm meeting at Thursday at la matriarca. Let's see how that goes. She semi hot like 7 I guess. Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.[/QUOTE]I've been following this forum for quite some time leading up to my trip and this has me pretty bummed out.
I've been wanting to just get a GF type for my couple days in medellin and seems like situation is pretty rough.
The last 50 pages of this sub I pretty much gathered.
- do facebook research connections before you go.
- tinder girls could be ok more potential for scolp.
- la isla is good for a quickie but over priced.
- loutron is hit or miss.
- parque lleras girls are mostly sub 7.
- and just never go to gustos.
- photo prepago? (not sure).
Is this basically the summary of medellin's current situation?
I found a Centro pregnant girl. She was holding a folder with a baby on it. I asked if she was pregnant and she said no it was negative. I told her if it was negative she would have thrown the paperwork away. Then said it was her friends and I asked why she was carrying it up to my room. She admitted she did not want anyone to know so I can not tell. She is only 1+ month in because nothing is showing except her boobs were really hard. I could tell you guys but half of you would walk up to her and ask, "Which one of you is the pregnant one?
[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2858783]I and my wing-man (a Colombian friend) stopped in Avineda Grill (in centro across the street from Botero plaza) yesterday late afternoon / early evening (Saturday 7 PM) and although it was busy with lots of guys enjoying their drinks and many of girls IT WAS THE WORST QUALITY I HAVE SEEN IN 6 YEARS frequenting this club.
TTM.[/QUOTE]You would have cried if you were out on Monday. It was like a holiday or Sunday bad. But there were less people everywhere, but no idea why.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2858786]
I suspect the reason they are charging you more is because you are an obvious gringo. Can you even properly pronounce "cuarenta mil"?[/QUOTE]20+ girls remember me from 2 years ago when I never had these problems. I did not sex all 20 but they knew I was not a newbie and tell their friends. I have had 7 girls I had sex with in the 2+ months I have been here try to raise prices. I have stated many times I do not know Spanish so I can not pronounce that in any way shape or form. These girls see me every single day and sometimes for hours when I sit and watch the world go by.
I also have experience in Santa Marta (week), Bogota (month), Barranquilla (2 months), Pereira (month), Cucuta (month).
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2858833]
And the thought that the gringos will drive out the locals over time in Centro that was floated is ridiculous as the numbers don't support it.
And believe it or not, there are foreigners here that do get local pricing contrary to what some may think.
This is the distinction here, Centro and the Lleras area for mongering are very different, however some don't get the distinction here.[/QUOTE]I have clearly stated that the locals will not be run out. But the top 20% of the girls will be taken away to Poblado, FB, websites, Western Union. The girls are learning but you are not. Street girls could never afford to get a boob job. Yet I know 3 recently. One in the last 2 years. One last month that went from nothing to something and the last one still had her bandages on when I did her 3 weeks ago. Where did that money come from?
Guys lie just as much as the girls. The Russian guy brags that he gets the cheapest everything he buys. The guys I have heard brag the most about getting local prices are screwing some less than stellar girls and are doing them repeatedly. That does not work for the 2-3 week tourist or me who likes constant new girls. I know several of these girls but most I have no interest in or already been with.
To give you an idea of what things you learn when you spend as much time down here as I do. Two years ago the drug dealers hide their stuff with the carts in the park. The carts were removed and when I left the drug dealers were hidding their stuff on the girls (usually around their waist) since the girls were not checked by the police like the gys were. I come back and the drug dealers on the side of the church alleyway now hide their stuff at the side entrances to the church on the ground and put garbage or a rock in front of it. Once saw them hide it behind the sign on the door. But the number one place is that little section of dirt with a little grass. There is a dead tree there that looks like a yard tall spike in the ground. They simply hide it under the 7" grass that has fallen over. Do not believe me. Go search under that grass a few times and see how long it takes for one of the drug guys to come running.
In the past guys asked if there is air conditioning in any of the ST hotels but nobody ever answers that I have read and you know everything. There was one when I left 2 years ago. In fact I had to ask them to turn it off because I was freezing. Not sure if they still have them because I have not returned to that one. But this trip there are 2 other hotels that have air conditioning on Carrera 53 (bar street). One on each side of the street at the mid-way point. I know because I had a girl in one and I could feel the cold air coming down the steps of the other one.
Curious. I am pretty sure you are not here now but were 2 weeks ago. If I walked past you in Centro could you identify me? Because I am 90% sure I can identify you. You talk to everybody while I try to avoid most foreigners so this should be easy for you.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858993]Aventura is in Chagualo so it's not as convenient or comfortable for foreigners and short term visitors but it's not hard to reach since it's right on the Metroplus stop. These days Amigas Sexxy is I think in second place among Centro casas of gringo interest. I avoid New Life. When I was last there about 6 months ago with a bunch of weekend warrior friends I realized the frat house atmosphere has not changed.[/QUOTE]I had a New Life girl Saturday and wanted another girl next visit. The front office girl said come Monday so I did at 2:30. Not there. Asked what day and time the girl normally comes in. The front office girl had no idea. The place was dead except for 3 black guys in the cubicle drinking like it was a bar.
Then tried to meet a girl off the prepagos site but her map was 3 times farther than the one shown on the website which was only 7 blocks away near San Antonio Station that I walk past nearly every week. I cancelled.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2859119]The problem with that is the income is unpredictable. A girl working El Centro is almost certain to get enough customers to make money, and with the metro and buses, transportation is cheap.
However, going to Lleras, there's a fair chance she won't get a customer every night, and by the time she finishes she'll need to get a taxi. Most of them have no cash reserve, so getting stuck in Lleras is a real risk.
For girls who think, save and plan, then a transition to Lleras is a possibility. For the majority, it's something they'll do occasionally, when they have friends with them and someone has enough money to get back home.[/QUOTE]I'm not buying your argument about the taxi money. If a girl is decent looking (and she has to be in order to work Lleras and command gringo rates) she will have no problem getting at least 1 client per shift at 250-300 mil cop. If she is ugly or below average looking, she is at risk and better be sticking to her local clientele in Centro.
And the taxi money is not that much compared to what they can charge a gringo. I doubt it is more than 20-25 mil late at night, even if she lives far away. She can share the ride with another hoe and pay even less. If a girl can't get a customer, she can always lower her rate and get one, and still make enough to cover all her expenses, including taxi.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859179]Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.[/QUOTE]My top three answers are: 1 It depends on the woman. 2 I want what you want. 3 What are you offering?
The exchange rate is back good again. I just went to Davivienda this morning and I was able to pull out $430 mil COP and I was charged $98.02 usd on my Capital One 360 checking account. And as always remember to decline the exchange rate that the ATM offers you as that is just throwing away money if you accept it.
Gabacho.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2859145]You don't need a Colombian cedula to register your phone. I registered several phones for years before I had my first cedula. You can do it from the phone itself on the Claro app or on the Claro web site. You have to set up an online account first by establishing a user ID and password.[/QUOTE]Tried that. It said my passport number was fake!
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2859277]I found a Centro pregnant girl. She was holding a folder with a baby on it. I asked if she was pregnant and she said no it was negative. I told her if it was negative she would have thrown the paperwork away. Then said it was her friends and I asked why she was carrying it up to my room. She admitted she did not want anyone to know so I can not tell. She is only 1+ month in because nothing is showing except her boobs were really hard. I could tell you guys but half of you would walk up to her and ask, "Which one of you is the pregnant one?
You would have cried if you were out on Monday. It was like a holiday or Sunday bad. But there were less people everywhere, but no idea why.
20+ girls remember me from 2 years ago when I never had these problems. I did not sex all 20 but they knew I was not a newbie and tell their friends. I have had 7 girls I had sex with in the 2+ months I have been here try to raise prices. I have stated many times I do not know Spanish so I can not pronounce that in any way shape or form. These girls see me every single day and sometimes for hours when I sit and watch the world go by.
I also have experience in Santa Marta (week), Bogota (month), Barranquilla (2 months), Pereira (month), Cucuta (month).
I have clearly stated that the locals will not be run out. But the top 20% of the girls will be taken away to Poblado, FB, websites, Western Union. The girls are learning but you are not. Street girls could never afford to get a boob job. Yet I know 3 recently. One in the last 2 years. One last month that went from nothing to something and the last one still had her bandages on when I did her 3 weeks ago. Where did that money come from?
Guys lie just as much as the girls. The Russian guy brags that he gets the cheapest everything he buys. The guys I have heard brag the most about getting local prices are screwing some less than stellar girls and are doing them repeatedly. That does not work for the 2-3 week tourist or me who likes constant new girls. I know several of these girls but most I have no interest in or already been with.
To give you an idea of what things you learn when you spend as much time down here as I do. Two years ago the drug dealers hide their stuff with the carts in the park. The carts were removed and when I left the drug dealers were hidding their stuff on the girls (usually around their waist) since the girls were not checked by the police like the gys were. I come back and the drug dealers on the side of the church alleyway now hide their stuff at the side entrances to the church on the ground and put garbage or a rock in front of it. Once saw them hide it behind the sign on the door. But the number one place is that little section of dirt with a little grass. There is a dead tree there that looks like a yard tall spike in the ground. They simply hide it under the 7" grass that has fallen over. Do not believe me. Go search under that grass a few times and see how long it takes for one of the drug guys to come running.
In the past guys asked if there is air conditioning in any of the ST hotels but nobody ever answers that I have read and you know everything. There was one when I left 2 years ago. In fact I had to ask them to turn it off because I was freezing. Not sure if they still have them because I have not returned to that one. But this trip there are 2 other hotels that have air conditioning on Carrera 53 (bar street). One on each side of the street at the mid-way point. I know because I had a girl in one and I could feel the cold air coming down the steps of the other one.
Curious. I am pretty sure you are not here now but were 2 weeks ago. If I walked past you in Centro could you identify me? Because I am 90% sure I can identify you. You talk to everybody while I try to avoid most foreigners so this should be easy for you.
I had a New Life girl Saturday and wanted another girl next visit. The front office girl said come Monday so I did at 2:30. Not there. Asked what day and time the girl normally comes in. The front office girl had no idea. The place was dead except for 3 black guys in the cubicle drinking like it was a bar.
Then tried to meet a girl off the prepagos site but her map was 3 times farther than the one shown on the website which was only 7 blocks away near San Antonio Station that I walk past nearly every week. I cancelled.[/QUOTE]I was never doubting your experience or saying anything about which cities you have been to and / or how many times you have been there. What I said is that you're an obvious gringo, and you just confirmed that by admitting that you don't speak any Spanish and cannot say 40,000 in Spanish. Therein lies the problem, not the fact that you are inexperienced but the fact that you are not making an effort to learn the language and the culture and become immersed in it.
The moment you open your mouth the girls know you are not from here. They know that guys who aren't from here are not necessarily going to know the going rates, whether or not payment is beforehand or afterwards, or the level of quality or amount of time that the "rato" is supposed to be.
You know it truly astonishes me how many of you guys come here and or other parts of Latin America without even attempting to learn Español. I've been learning Spanish since atleast 2010 and I wanted to learn it, I want to be able to communicate with the women I am fucking, I want to understand what a passerby on the street is telling me, I want to be able to ask where the q-tips are at in exito. I don't want to be that dumbass who has to pull out his phone to use Google translate to talk to the girls or have to point at pictures on a menu to order a steak at a restaurant.
Why wouldn't you want to learn?? It will open up so many more opportunities and change the quality of your sessions in ways you probably cannot even comprehend. Pero bueno, keep doing it your way and paying your 60 k for crappy sessions with lousy vennies and bust out your iPhone mid session to look up the word volteate when you want to her flip over LOL.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2859277]
Curious. I am pretty sure you are not here now but were 2 weeks ago. If I walked past you in Centro could you identify me? Because I am 90% sure I can identify you. You talk to everybody while I try to avoid most foreigners so this should be easy for you..[/QUOTE]Nope, I'm here in Medellin and have been since the first week of August.
And yesterday at 3 PM I met with one of my regulars at Hotel Deseo's so your guess that I'm not here is mistaken.
I was in room 111, and it had a mirror on the ceiling. LOL.
I have posted many times about the gringos in Centro, and that I don't engage with them in Centro except on a very rare occasion when a friend is there.
And it's interesting that you are 90% sure you can identify me.
I would think it would be either 0% or 100%.
I'm not an obvious gringo, I don't have blond hair or blue eyes, nor red hair, nor light colored skin, and have been told by other Colombians that appearance wise I can pass as a Colombian until I start to speak.
In my opinion the, majority of the gringos hanging around in Centro are a bunch of losers so hence I don't talk with them contrary to what you think I do when I'm there.
Simply put, I am in Centro to dump a load, and get out of dodge, I am not there to socialize with other gringos.
And as far as your question whether I could identify you in Centro, the answer is no.
We have never met, nor do I know anyone who knows you who has pointed you out to me, so why even ask such a question.
However, any time I walk by a gringo in Centro I don't know, I automatically consider them a loser whether it's correct or not.
Hopefully this clarifies things for you as to my whereabouts.
[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2859183]I've been following this forum for quite some time leading up to my trip and this has me pretty bummed out.
I've been wanting to just get a GF type for my couple days in medellin and seems like situation is pretty rough.
The last 50 pages of this sub I pretty much gathered.
- do facebook research connections before you go.
- tinder girls could be ok more potential for scolp.
- la isla is good for a quickie but over priced.
- loutron is hit or miss.
- parque lleras girls are mostly sub 7.
- and just never go to gustos.
- photo prepago? (not sure).
Is this basically the summary of medellin's current situation?[/QUOTE]Yep. Exactly. I would say on average the ugliest girls are prettier than other places I've been. And the best girls are the same as other places I've been but they charge more.
I think online you can find a few great looking girls for a reasonable price. Except for what happened to me yesterday. Idk what is happening girls I guess have so many clients they don't need to bother responding to you.
Tinder also kinda sucks unless you're white or black because then you get matched up with hottest pros. Because I look Hispanic all I get ugly normies wanting a relationship.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859300]Tried that. It said my passport number was fake![/QUOTE]With Claro I remember registering my on Huawei P30 and before that my LG V30 with my passport and it worked fine. But I now have been using Tigo for over a year and I recently bought a new phone a Xiaomi Redmi Note 12's and when I went to register it in the Mi Tigo app it didn't give me an option for registering with a passport. It only had options for cedula de ciudadania, cedula de extranjeria, and some shit called HTIN or something. Luckily I've been seeing alot of paisas lately and one that I'm close to let me use her cedula de ciudadania to register my phone and it worked like a charm on the first try.
Friends- I am heading out to Medellin (staying at El Poblado area), welcome any recommendations. Message here or DM!! Thank you!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859300]Tried that. It said my passport number was fake![/QUOTE]Don't know about this case, but sometimes the systems in Latin America require a prefix before the passport number to identify the country where the document was issued, for example USApassportnumber or even area code followed by a number.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859295]My top three answers are: 1 It depends on the woman. 2 I want what you want. 3 What are you offering?[/QUOTE]You're a genius wtf?
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2859296]The exchange rate is back good again. I just went to Davivienda this morning and I was able to pull out $430 mil COP and I was charged $98.02 usd on my Capital One 360 checking account. And as always remember to decline the exchange rate that the ATM offers you as that is just throwing away money if you accept it.
Gabacho.[/QUOTE]It's going back down. But I think we end the year at 4400.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859179]When all hope is lost la isla has your back. Even tho it's 550 k for the room and the girl and 50 k cover and a bunch of 2 k,s to get the strippers of your back it was worth it today. Went with a girl that had a big ass. Doesn't do oral. Should a told me that before going in. She'll do oral for the right guy trust. She doesn't do something? She actually means she just doesn't do it for you.
There were other girls I would have done. But the one I went with had the complete package. It's like some have a nice face but no body. Some have a nice booty but ugly face.
After messaging so many girls and getting ghost 24/7 I had to go to lleras. There was no one there. Lleras street girls are truly the worst of the crop. Went to gustos. There was only 2 girls. The rest of the club is empty.
Went to la isla. Empty. But girls are there. 2 groups of guys. Some girls I would do but they don't justify 125 usd. Except for the one I went with. If they can get all the girls like her I would go more. But I saw girls with no curves. An actual stick in a dress. Thst girl doesn't justify550 k cop. At least I can find 3 girls on any given day.
Lesson learned today: don't talk to online girls past 7.
Tried seeking. Actually bought a membership. Girls that are hot don't message back (I've only been on for a day). Girls that do message back are ugly. Some gave their WhatsApp. Haven't talked prices yet. I have one girl I'm meeting at Thursday at la matriarca. Let's see how that goes. She semi hot like 7 I guess. Let see. I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.[/QUOTE]Go to la Isla after midnight, the later the better. That's when the good looking girls pops out. If they do, hopefully not all of them are silicone dolls. But you'll still find some natural girls mixed in. Anytime before midnight is a no go, especially on weekdays which is mostly no action. Weekends will be more girls and better quality. At least this was my experience from my last trip March. Did you get any success from getting the la isla's girls Whatsapp and just hitting them up later and doing domicilio?
I would avoid gusto's at all. Why'all never learned your lessons. Girls there will stick to their 'unionized' $300 USD price LOL. Either you pay that price with a mediocre service and no guarantee if it's even going to be worth it or just moved on. I would not even waste my time of stepping my foot back at that place LOL.
I was able to get 20+ Whatsapp from seeking. Now that my membership expires, the hot girls that I messaged last month finally decided to reply, but I need to renew my membership so I can read their messages. Not sure, if I would do that, but I will test the waters first to see how many will NOT flake on those 20+ contacts LOL. Always plan a back up. I still got girls lined up if they do flake. I'll be there in 2 weeks to see my regular girls and hopefully some new faces.
[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@vero_gedler?_t=8gPVvCsQWr4&_r=1[/URL]
I'm trying to know where they are from. I met one like her in punta Cana I can't get over her LOL. I've met some here in Medellin. One is from neiva a can girl in Cali. Another is from Cordova Colombia. 2 more are from Cali. I the one in the TikTok is from Venezuela but idk what part. I guess there is no set place where you will find girls of this type. Olive skin. Black hair. Skinny. Boobs optional.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859179]I have other girls messaging me what are you looking for in the app and blocking me if they don't like my answer. I don't really know how to handle that question.[/QUOTE]Please let us know how you answered these chicks so we can have a good laugh. LOL.
Went to New Life today to try a new girl. Tried a thin black girl. Horrible. Maybe she wanted one of the two black guys that walked in as we were going up the stairs, does not like short guys, or does not like white guys. Got into the room and I was halfway undressed and she was just sitting there so I motioned to take her clothes off. She does not want me to use my condom but hers instead. It did not fit so had to go to mine. I start to suck on her boobs and she is staring at the ceiling so I go to doggie. I am getting hot so I go to turn on the fan and she bitches. I go to add more lube and she bitches. Her name Tatiana. Maybe it was just me. Just putting the warning out there.
Centro pretty dead today again and 2 bars closed today that never happens on a Tuesday. No holidays. What's going on?
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859375]It's going back down. But I think we end the year at 4400.[/QUOTE]4500 is like the sweet spot. Of course 5000 was nice while it lasted but the prices started rising on food and shit which took away from the value of the better rate. So when it hovers around 4500 is when we're still getting a good value and prices are at less of a risk to rise.
I recommend you bring the phone with the SIM card in it and your passport to a Claro dealer or sales office. One of their mall locations will be less hectic than going through their dealers around Centro. They will be able to assist you further. If you haven't already established an online account and associated your cell phone number to it that might be part of the problem. If document types other than passport are offered you can try one of those with your passport number. That may be a workaround if the web site only accepts Colombian passport numbers (two letters followed by five digits). Every time I get a new phone I am prompted to register the new phone's IMEI. I don't get prompted for a passport or other document. If you are able to recharge your number or check the its status I'm probably barking up the wrong tree.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859300]Tried that. It said my passport number was fake![/QUOTE]
This might be the problem. Colombia passport numbers are five digits preceded by two letters. I think the two letters might correspond to department (E. G. CO = Cordoba). Maybe it's worth a try to Use CO followed by five random digits.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2859348]With Claro I remember registering my on Huawei P30 and before that my LG V30 with my passport and it worked fine. But I now have been using Tigo for over a year and I recently bought a new phone a Xiaomi Redmi Note 12's and when I went to register it in the Mi Tigo app it didn't give me an option for registering with a passport. It only had options for cedula de ciudadania, cedula de extranjeria, and some shit called HTIN or something. Luckily I've been seeing alot of paisas lately and one that I'm close to let me use her cedula de ciudadania to register my phone and it worked like a charm on the first try.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859133]Wtf is up with online? I messaged a bunch of girls most don't respond. When they do respond they respond I try to confirm the time or the place they don't respond.
I had two girls tell me send me the money for the taxi and I'm like no I will send you the Uber paid. They either don't respond or charge me 60 k for taxis. I live right next to this girl BTW. I legit went to her spot for another girl and it was 7 k from my spot.
I went to see the only girl that would actually confirm that I could go there and they bait and switch me with another girl. And then they do the usual o sorry she's not here she's doing a domicilio I can show you the only other girl that is here I'm like whatever this better be the hottest girl I've ever seen because I'm not tolerating this garbageass service. Girl is also ugly. That's why they're don't get picked. Hire better girls. So I leave.
Wtf is happening? Can I get a decent girl to show up and or respond? Wtf.[/QUOTE]I haven't had any problems with scheduling women online the past one and a half week. The bait and switch only seems to happen at spas where the women typically don't live there. I had that happen on my last trip, but I knew it was a spa because they sent multiple options to me when I first texted them. Luckily, they informed me that my original choice was unavailable before I left and the one I ended up (they had the available ones introduce themselves one at a time) with was cute and enthusiastic.
I've been to multiple houses where the women live there, but each one has a personal number and I always get the one I texted.
My personal advice is to repeat with the ones you liked because the subsequent sessions get better. It's always a gamble if the session would be good even if she's hot. I had 2 women in Bogota that looked like their pictures but weren't good at all. Usually best to start with 30 minutes just in case and then schedule longer sessions if she's worth it.
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2859402]Please let us know how you answered these chicks so we can have a good laugh. LOL.[/QUOTE]I said I'm looking to conocer gente.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859523]I said I'm looking to conocer gente.[/QUOTE]Most are looking for sponsors or money. At least you can say you are looking for beneficios mutuos.
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2859511]I recommend you bring the phone with the SIM card in it and your passport to a Claro dealer or sales office. One of their mall locations [/QUOTE]Yes I went to a big mall Claro store with my phone, passport, SIM, and original packaging for it. That is where the lady told me I did not need to do anything except go to the cashier and purchase more credit.
I just booked a flight to Medellin for the 17th. I read that hotel Dix is girl friendly but it seems to be booked. Does anyone have a recommendation for a hotel? Any other advice is welcome. I have been studying Spanish for 6 months but still suck. First time in Colombia, but lots of other experience.
BTW I am continuing on to BA. After 10 days in Medellin, but the Argentina forum is a ghost town. Back when I couldn't go it was an amazing forum, now that I'm going it's worthless. Is there website anyone recommends for BA?
I'm planning my first trip to Colombia. Planning to stay a week or two in Medellin next month (trying to decide whether to split two weeks between that and Bogota or not). Anyone could point me to a cute GFE paisa who could also serve as a guide? Show me around town, take me to various neighborhoods, point me to interesting eating establishments, local foods, maybe even bring a friend over for threesome, and wouldn't feed me scolopomine LOL.
Maybe a student or a former student that works on the side. I'd be working most nights but my days and weekends should be free.
I'm pretty well versed on most things Brazil, including off the beaten path but this would be my first time in Colombia. I'd really appreciate the lead. I speak good Portuguese and passable Spanish. PM please.
[QUOTE=CBuilder;2859583]but the Argentina forum is a ghost town. Back when I couldn't go it was an amazing forum, now that I'm going it's worthless.[/QUOTE]And that does not tell you anything?
[QUOTE=CBuilder;2859583]I just booked a flight to Medellin for the 17th. I read that hotel Dix is girl friendly but it seems to be booked. Does anyone have a recommendation for a hotel? Any other advice is welcome. I have been studying Spanish for 6 months but still suck. First time in Colombia, but lots of other experience.
BTW I am continuing on to BA. After 10 days in Medellin, but the Argentina forum is a ghost town. Back when I couldn't go it was an amazing forum, now that I'm going it's worthless. Is there website anyone recommends for BA?[/QUOTE]Most guys will here will tell you to RTFF (read the fucking forum) but I will try and answer your questions.
Have you considered Airbnb, they are readily available.
Uber is prob the safest and most economical way to get around, a taxi from the airport should cost you around 90 K pesos and you can change money at the airport, their rates are decent, then use ATMs or money exchanges for the duration.
If you go to parque LLeras and venture into Gustos, the girls will sense you are a newbie and the ugliest Chicas will try to charge you $250-300 DOLLARS, learn the exchange rate (4300 pesos to one USD) get quoted in Pesos, if you do decide to pay in dollars, at least choose an 8 hope that you will have a good experience. Beatty is in the eye of the beholder, but we all can agree on the difference btw a 5 and a 8-10, if u pay an ugly average chica 1.2 million pesos, don’t expect the prettiest ones not to charge the same or more.
Be aware of your surroundings, be on lookout for chicas who will try to drug you.
Scroll thru the forum, tons of info. Dont attract attention, stay low key and have fun.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859133]Wtf is up with online? I messaged a bunch of girls most don't respond. When they do respond they respond I try to confirm the time or the place they don't respond.
I had two girls tell me send me the money for the taxi and I'm like no I will send you the Uber paid. They either don't respond or charge me 60 k for taxis. I live right next to this girl BTW. I legit went to her spot for another girl and it was 7 k from my spot.
I went to see the only girl that would actually confirm that I could go there and they bait and switch me with another girl. And then they do the usual o sorry she's not here she's doing a domicilio I can show you the only other girl that is here I'm like whatever this better be the hottest girl I've ever seen because I'm not tolerating this garbageass service. Girl is also ugly. That's why they're don't get picked. Hire better girls. So I leave.
Wtf is happening? Can I get a decent girl to show up and or respond? Wtf.[/QUOTE]New mongers are treating these girls as if they are princesses, too much money coming into MDE and these guys are throwing cash around so the girls are acting accordingly with their options. I am not advocating that anyone should mistreat them, rather it appears that some mongers have forgotten who is paying whom for services rendered.
One of my girls used to take 350K pesos for a few hrs, obviously she now has others who are paying her moreshe tried to push me down her schedule (tomorrow when she has time) I never called her backshes cute but I would rather find another or go somewhere else, when a chica feels she can put me on a backlog, good riddance.
PS.
Our plane arrived early back to the US, we must have been delayed 20 mins at the gate, We are trying to find someone with a key to the sky deck thing which connects u to the gate at least that was the explanation, when we finally got off the plane, there were at least 10 agents fully armed at the doorsomeone got caught.
This trip I stopped thru Hooters to watch the games, chicas are really cute -anyone tried to link up?
[QUOTE=CBuilder;2859583]I just booked a flight to Medellin for the 17th. I read that hotel Dix is girl friendly but it seems to be booked. Does anyone have a recommendation for a hotel? Any other advice is welcome. I have been studying Spanish for 6 months but still suck. First time in Colombia, but lots of other experience.
BTW I am continuing on to BA. After 10 days in Medellin, but the Argentina forum is a ghost town. Back when I couldn't go it was an amazing forum, now that I'm going it's worthless. Is there website anyone recommends for BA?[/QUOTE]BA:
Club the'Lirio Vicente López 2134.
Disco bar after the show on the upper floor: [URL]https://www.cocodrilobuenosaires.com/[/URL].
Local forum: [URL]https://www.escortsxp.com/[/URL].
Escorts: [URL]https://www.soloindependientes.com/escorts-acompanantes.htm[/URL].
There is much more. Important to know dolar blue rate and official ARS rate, bring cash, how you manage your cash exchange and payments is important.
Banned twice on tinder. The first time was for saying I want to be someone's sugar daddy in the bio.
Now I get banned saying X no trans X I was basically only getting matches with trans people and ugly girls. Those are the kinds of people that will report you.
I guess that goes to show that my pictures didn't portray any looks, money, or status. I had at least enough of those to get ugly girls and trans people who will honestly go for anyone. Pros / normal good looking girls just don't like me I guess. I'm not making another account until I have abs in 3 months and it I can flash something expensive.
Be careful out there.
Side note. The last time I went to gustos I saw some dude pay the bounce 20 usd instead of 20k cop. Crazy. Even little things like that goes to show the money being thrown around at these girls which causes them to act badly
[QUOTE=Carrib;2859600]This trip I stopped thru Hooters to watch the games,[/QUOTE]Does that Hooters stream every / any sports event? If it is the same as the Hooters in Bogota's Zona T, then it only shows the games that are on the regular cable channels.
There's 2 places in Parque Lleras that will stream any sports event that you request. Patrick's, it's the Irish bar. And Gringo Loco. This bar replaced the old one that was there. Same format; new owner. Ex military; nice guy. Also, I was told that the sports bar in San Peter (Avenida 70) will stream the games.
That's the advantage of having all these gringos around. I couldn't find any place in Bogota's Zona T that streams all the games. Even the bars that were labeled as "sports bars" only showed the games that were on the regular cable channels.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2859598]Most guys will here will tell you to RTFF (read the fucking forum) but I will try and answer your questions.
Have you considered Airbnb, they are readily available.
Uber is prob the safest and most economical way to get around, a taxi from the airport should cost you around 90 K pesos and you can change money at the airport, their rates are decent, then use ATMs or money exchanges for the duration.
If you go to parque LLeras and venture into Gustos, the girls will sense you are a newbie and the ugliest Chicas will try to charge you $250-300 DOLLARS, learn the exchange rate (4300 pesos to one USD) get quoted in Pesos, if you do decide to pay in dollars, at least choose an 8 hope that you will have a good experience. Beatty is in the eye of the beholder, but we all can agree on the difference btw a 5 and a 8-10, if u pay an ugly average chica 1.2 million pesos, dont expect the prettiest ones not to charge the same or more.
Be aware of your surroundings, be on lookout for chicas who will try to drug you.
Scroll thru the forum, tons of info. Dont attract attention, stay low key and have fun.[/QUOTE]The airport exchange rate is terrible. Exchange rates in Medellin are decent, but not at the airport.
One of exchange places at the Bogota airport usually has a good rate.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859617]Now I get banned saying X no trans X I was basically only getting matches with trans people and ugly girls. Those are the kinds of people that will report you.[/QUOTE]It was not the people that reported you. It was the system. I got banned for reporting that a person in the female section was trans.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2859600]Our plane arrived early back to the US, we must have been delayed 20 mins at the gate, We are trying to find someone with a key to the sky deck thing which connects u to the gate at least that was the explanation, when we finally got off the plane, there were at least 10 agents fully armed at the door[/QUOTE]Same thing happened on my flight from Bogota Monday. Well they could not get one of the security doors open. And there were like 10 Customs guys around as well.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859617]...I was basically only getting matches with trans people and ugly girls. Those are the kinds of people that will report you....[/QUOTE]Does it take two to have a match?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2859626]The airport exchange rate is terrible. Exchange rates in Medellin are decent, but not at the airport.
One of exchange places at the Bogota airport usually has a good rate.[/QUOTE]No money exchange place gives a reasonable rate, not in the MDE airport, not in the BOG airport, not in any city. Those places make money by ripping people off. Some of them are so bad they literally give you like 20% less than the actual exchange rate shown on Google. The only way to get a fair exchange rate is to use an ATM machine to withdraw pesos.
After arriving at the MDE airport and going thru migration and customs, he can use the escalator to go back up to the 2nd level and then head toward the salidas nacionales side of the terminal. Before he reaches the security check point there are several ATM machines there on the left hand side including Davivienda which doesn't charge any fees.
If arriving at the BOG airport there isn't a Davivienda but there are several other ATMs I believe bancolombia and banco de Bogotá or some other green one. Those ATMs will charge a fee but even with said fee he will still be getting a better exchange rate than using a money exchange kiosk. And always remember to decline the fee the ATM offers.
-Gabacho.
Don't trust the ATMs at the MDE airport. Twice I've had my Schwab card canceled mid-trip because of attempted fraud after I used the ATM at the airport. Since then I've made the habit of always keeping enough COP with me when I leave Colombia to get me back into town and to a more secure ATM when I return.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2859721]No money exchange place gives a reasonable rate, not in the MDE airport, not in the BOG airport, not in any city. Those places make money by ripping people off.[/QUOTE]Actually some in Asia, Dominican Republic, and Peru do give more of a real rate. I do not know how they make money. But on the whole asking about a currency exchange place is like asking where should I get a horse and buggy to get from the airport to my hotel in Poblado. The people that still use the places in the States must be totally green at traveling. I can not believe those places are still open as big of a ripoff as they are. So if I give you $1, you will give me 80 cent worth of the other currency? Deal!
Something very annoying that you learn living here is there isn't much organized customer service. Colombia businesses and government are very good at presenting an image of organized procedures and regulations but the reality is you can ask five employees and officials a question and get five different answers. It's especially bad with the banks. My advice is to seek a second or third opinion until you find an informed and motivated employee. The answer you described sounds to me like an employee who said what she thought would get you to go away quickly. I'm sorry this has been such a pain in the neck but I'm confident you will be able to get it resolved.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2859540]Yes I went to a big mall Claro store with my phone, passport, SIM, and original packaging for it. That is where the lady told me I did not need to do anything except go to the cashier and purchase more credit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Carrib;2859598]Most guys will here will tell you to RTFF (read the fucking forum) but I will try and answer your questions.
Have you considered Airbnb, they are readily available.[/QUOTE]I've been reading the forum a little obsessively.
I looked at AirBnB, but some say "no sex tourism" some say nothing, so I'm not sure if saying nothing means OK. Some say 24 security guards.
Thanks for the help.
[QUOTE=CatBert55;2859737]Don't trust the ATMs at the MDE airport. Twice I've had my Schwab card canceled mid-trip because of attempted fraud after I used the ATM at the airport. Since then I've made the habit of always keeping enough COP with me when I leave Colombia to get me back into town and to a more secure ATM when I return.[/QUOTE]Which exact ATM was it? I've used the Davivienda machines there as well as the BBVA on the bottom level (before they started charging 18 mil) and I've never had any fraud on my card. As easy way to avoid this would be to just lock your card on your app whenever you are not using it to withdraw.
[QUOTE=CBuilder;2859583]I just booked a flight to Medellin for the 17th. I read that hotel Dix is girl friendly but it seems to be booked. Does anyone have a recommendation for a hotel? Any other advice is welcome. I have been studying Spanish for 6 months but still suck. First time in Colombia, but lots of other experience.
BTW I am continuing on to BA. After 10 days in Medellin, but the Argentina forum is a ghost town. Back when I couldn't go it was an amazing forum, now that I'm going it's worthless. Is there website anyone recommends for BA?[/QUOTE]I'm actually headed to Medellin on the 17/18th and then on to Buenos Aires from there too. Maybe a 1 stop in Bogota since its the layover. Been reading the forums trying to get the lay of the land and will do some trip reports.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2859721]No money exchange place gives a reasonable rate, not in the MDE airport, not in the BOG airport, not in any city. Those places make money by ripping people off. Some of them are so bad they literally give you like 20% less than the actual exchange rate shown on Google. The only way to get a fair exchange rate is to use an ATM machine to withdraw pesos.
After arriving at the MDE airport and going thru migration and customs, he can use the escalator to go back up to the 2nd level and then head toward the salidas nacionales side of the terminal. Before he reaches the security check point there are several ATM machines there on the left hand side including Davivienda which doesn't charge any fees.
If arriving at the BOG airport there isn't a Davivienda but there are several other ATMs I believe bancolombia and banco de Bogot or some other green one. Those ATMs will charge a fee but even with said fee he will still be getting a better exchange rate than using a money exchange kiosk. And always remember to decline the fee the ATM offers.
-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I meant the exchange rate that the ATM offers*.
[QUOTE=CBuilder;2859583]I just booked a flight to Medellin for the 17th. I read that hotel Dix is girl friendly but it seems to be booked. Does anyone have a recommendation for a hotel? Any other advice is welcome. I have been studying Spanish for 6 months but still suck. First time in Colombia, but lots of other experience.
BTW I am continuing on to BA. After 10 days in Medellin, but the Argentina forum is a ghost town. Back when I couldn't go it was an amazing forum, now that I'm going it's worthless. Is there website anyone recommends for BA?[/QUOTE]Check the mansion ([URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com[/URL]), best place for your first time in town.
[QUOTE=CatBert55;2859737]Don't trust the ATMs at the MDE airport. Twice I've had my Schwab card canceled mid-trip because of attempted fraud after I used the ATM at the airport. Since then I've made the habit of always keeping enough COP with me when I leave Colombia to get me back into town and to a more secure ATM when I return.[/QUOTE]Haven't had your experience, but one tip for foreign travel with any card. Try to make your FIRST transaction a card insert with pin, NOT a 'tap to pay'. The higher security insert with pin will validate the card and you as being there (knowing the pin), thus marking you and the card as in-country. If your first transaction is a tap-to-pay (like buying a coffee before the ATM) then you may get flagged as potential fraud. Since they can only validate the card and not yourself, then a generated security call may not reach or ring you out-of-country (since you 'just' arrived, cell phone company may not be forwarding calls properly yet), and your card will get disabled. Using an ATM (even the one right by the exit) with your PIN will count as a card insert with pin. With this approach even my local credit union ATM card has worked reliably in Colombia and many other countries (including Morocco).
[QUOTE=CatBert55;2859737]Don't trust the ATMs at the MDE airport. Twice I've had my Schwab card canceled mid-trip because of attempted fraud after I used the ATM at the airport. Since then I've made the habit of always keeping enough COP with me when I leave Colombia to get me back into town and to a more secure ATM when I return.[/QUOTE]I have never had any issues with the ATMs at the MDE airport. I have used the ATMs upstairs at the airport on six separate occasions without an issue. Now, it may be the case that the boardmember had issues with his Schwab card but it may not be related to the ATMs at the airport. I also use Schwab. Works like a charm each and every time with no issues.
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2859721]After arriving at the MDE airport and going thru migration and customs, he can use the escalator to go back up to the 2nd level and then head toward the salidas nacionales side of the terminal. Before he reaches the security check point there are several ATM machines there on the left hand side including Davivienda which doesn't charge any fees.[/QUOTE]Excellent advise, I always forget about that Davivienda ATM on the 2nd floor. This will save you the extra $5 the ATM at the immigration exist charges as an additional fee. Goes without saying, always remember to DECLINE their conversion, let your own bank do the conversion.
[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2859183]I've been following this forum for quite some time leading up to my trip and this has me pretty bummed out.
I've been wanting to just get a GF type for my couple days in medellin and seems like situation is pretty rough.
The last 50 pages of this sub I pretty much gathered.
- do facebook research connections before you go.
- tinder girls could be ok more potential for scolp.
- la isla is good for a quickie but over priced.
- loutron is hit or miss.
- parque lleras girls are mostly sub 7.
- and just never go to gustos.
- photo prepago? (not sure).
Is this basically the summary of medellin's current situation?[/QUOTE]I have visited Medellin six times. I have never been to the casas. I have never taken a El Centro or Poblado streetwalker. I have never taken a girl at Loutron, Gustos or La Isla. I have never used online prepago sites.
Yet I always have a good time in Medellin. I just focus on girls on Facebook and I have always been able to find young attractive girls for a reasonable fair price (per my standards). No reason to go elsewhere as far as I am concern.
Still it is not for everyone because it requires some time and effort prior to going on your trip. Usually I have girls ready to go on Facebook before I set foot in Medellin. To each his own.
[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2859133]Wtf is up with online? I messaged a bunch of girls most don't respond. When they do respond they respond I try to confirm the time or the place they don't respond.
I had two girls tell me send me the money for the taxi and I'm like no I will send you the Uber paid. They either don't respond or charge me 60 k for taxis. I live right next to this girl BTW. I legit went to her spot for another girl and it was 7 k from my spot.
I went to see the only girl that would actually confirm that I could go there and they bait and switch me with another girl. And then they do the usual o sorry she's not here she's doing a domicilio I can show you the only other girl that is here I'm like whatever this better be the hottest girl I've ever seen because I'm not tolerating this garbageass service. Girl is also ugly. That's why they're don't get picked. Hire better girls. So I leave.
Wtf is happening? Can I get a decent girl to show up and or respond? Wtf.[/QUOTE]I am not sure what you mean by online girls. Are you referring to prepago websites or Seeking girls or Facebook girls? These are all online girls.
Here is my take on Facebook girls. Some girls are flaky. Some girls will not respond to you. Some girls will take their time in responding to you. If you chat with enough girls, it doesn't matter. Follow up with the ones with respond promptly and agree to your terms.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2859649]Does it take two to have a match?[/QUOTE]Who has time to vet whether or not they are trans. I just swipe right in everyone and see who bites.
Anyone gone on the unofficial moto ride around Medellin on Halloween. Where everyone dresses up and tricks out their bikes?
I'd love to go this year.
Airport BOG.
USD exchange rates.
4200 to buy.
4000 to sell.
Hooters.
The had at least 3 games on plus the chicas were nice eye candy.
Those aren't terrible rates for an airport exchange booth. The ATMs will always give better rates.
[QUOTE=Carrib;2859846]Airport BOG.
USD exchange rates.
4200 to buy.
4000 to sell.
Hooters.
The had at least 3 games on plus the chicas were nice eye candy.[/QUOTE]
That really is excellent advice. Another option is uber or didi. You can pay them by credit card via the apps. There is free wifi at the airport.
[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2859809]Excellent advise, I always forget about that Davivienda ATM on the 2nd floor. This will save you the extra $5 the ATM at the immigration exist charges as an additional fee. Goes without saying, always remember to DECLINE their conversion, let your own bank do the conversion.[/QUOTE]
Those guys pass by my apartment. It seems like the group gets bigger every year.
[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2859844]Anyone gone on the unofficial moto ride around Medellin on Halloween. Where everyone dresses up and tricks out their bikes?
I'd love to go this year.[/QUOTE]
The foreigner from the USA and a Colombian National were held hostage at the home in Las Palmas where they were kept since Friday October 6th by the criminal group Los Pachelly from Bello. The victims were tortured, gave up code for the safe, the valuables were taken from the home, while held hostage at home, other members of the criminal organization went out and emptied bank accounts over the days.
[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/rescate-de-secuestrados-en-parcelacion-de-las-palmas-medellin-PF22637080[/URL]
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2859753]Something very annoying that you learn living here is there isn't much organized customer service. Colombia businesses and government are very good at presenting an image of organized procedures and regulations but the reality is you can ask five employees and officials a question and get five different answers. It's especially bad with the banks. My advice is to seek a second or third opinion until you find an informed and motivated employee. The answer you described sounds to me like an employee who said what she thought would get you to go away quickly.[/QUOTE]I agree with your evaluation of customer service. Last month, I had to buy a new cell phone in Medellin (previous phone's battery got pregnant). I bought the phone at Ktronix. I asked the sales lady if they could register the phone. She told me no, that I needed to go to Claro, which is the carrier I use. The lady at Claro told me they could not register it until 20 days after I purchased it. I knew that didn't sound right, but there was nothing else I could do at the Claro store. I then went to the Mi Claro app and finally got it to accept my passport number. I was able to register the phone through the app the day after I purchased it. I also learned on the Claro site that the phone may be locked after 21 days of when usage starts. I still can't get the Mi Claro app to accept my credit card, so I can't add data through the app.
Another tidbit of information. If you use Symantec VIP authentication with your Schwab account, it will not work if you change phones, even though it transfers all the information in the app to the new phone. You need to call Schwab to register the new phone with the app.
[QUOTE=CBuilder;2859773]I've been reading the forum a little obsessively.
I looked at AirBnB, but some say "no sex tourism" some say nothing, so I'm not sure if saying nothing means OK. Some say 24 security guards.
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]You should always message the host and remove all doubt. Saying nothing doesn't mean ok. You don't have to mention girls. You just have to ask about the guest policy and they are more than happy to tell you what they allow. The hosts are very good in getting back to you. There are many great Abnbs that I do not stay at because they do not allow guests or they only allow one registered guest for the whole stay. Now it is possible that you can sneak girls in but I don't like to play that game.
[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2859982]The foreigner from the USA and a Colombian National were held hostage at the home in Las Palmas where they were kept since Friday October 6th by the criminal group Los Pachelly from Bello. The victims were tortured, gave up code for the safe, the valuables were taken from the home, while held hostage at home, other members of the criminal organization went out and emptied bank accounts over the days.
[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/rescate-de-secuestrados-en-parcelacion-de-las-palmas-medellin-PF22637080[/URL][/QUOTE]We are targets. Best advice is to always keep a low profile.