Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487276]Our freedoms are disappearing all the time. China is now installing facial recognition cameras everywhere. The government says that if citizens have nothing to hide, then we shouldn't give a shit about losing our privacy and civil liberties. I obviously have issues with this.

But if there were any pushback from Chinese citizens, it disappeared this year after the government took away all of our privacy due to the coronavirus, and it actually worked. China is now normal again, and the virus is now not even a bad memory but almost a forgotten memory. Even the Americans that live in Shanghai, that I talk to, all now agree that it's great to live in a communist country.

But this is obviously the view of one guy on the streets of Shanghai. Others have other views obviously.[/QUOTE]Given the disasterous response in the USA and EU, I can understand that China may be viewed as a success. But the wheel turns. If an effective vaccine is developed, covid will swiftly fade away, but not completely. You can create an efficient society by treating people like widgets to be optimized in every way. We talk about the chilling influence of censorship, but that is nothing compared to China where you can be snatched off the street and jailed for bad thoughts. The system is designed for spectacular success and failure. It is not designed for stability which is why the government thinks it needs so much control. Frankly, I am surprised that they do not fear their foreign students being corrupted.

There seems to be a lot of angry people on SA. I am often surprised by the rudeness. I wonder if it is harder for women than us guys. They probably get hit on by a bunch of assholes, but what do they expect from such a site. Just like the 9's and 10's do not have to be on the site, the Mr. Gray's are not there either. I am beginning to see the categories of people. Most are not worth my time. I think the US is a poor hunting ground. People's expectations are entirely unrealistic. Still hunting for the elusive diamond.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487273]Just an interesting tidbit. The new landlord of my love shack is super hot. About 5 foot 6, and thin athletic body. Single divorced mom. Probably late 30's. And she's probably at least twice as rich as me, based on what she divulged regarding the other units that she owns (in China, you can only buy your first property with 30% down payment, for the next property that you buy, the minimum down payment amount is something like 50%, and for the third unit, it's like 70%, etc. , and this is to prevent a real estate bubble. She said my apartment is the smallest place that she owns.).

A few nights ago, after I saw her place for the first time, we were texting quite a lot. It started with texting about specific details about the unit, and negotiating about rent and stuff like that. But then it somehow turned personal. She actually told me she wants to have another kid and is looking for Mr. Right. And then she said we should do lunch sometime. I'm like, WTF just happened? The next day, she started being formal again and only texting about the unit.[/QUOTE]She sounds like a dragon lady. Business sharp and very manipulative. She probably has sized you up already. China has a large underground market. Speculators borrow under the table to meet the down payment requirements. Would not be surprised that her money comes from people who got it through corruption. Thus, they recycle (launder) the money through people like your landlord. Both benefits. You have to ask yourself how a women would have access to such funds. Probably got it by her ex. Lover (divorce is rare and she would not get his property). Unless it is family wealth, you do not earn such money. Any speculator has earned large sums in the last 10 years. You are correct. At some time, the music stops. Thanks for your insight. It is hard to understand the situation by reading the papers.

Do any of you stay in touch with ex Babies? I generally try to keep in touch with girls, tho sometimes it fades. I just sent Thifany happy birthday wishes (two days late) and asked her if it was good. She said yes, but not as much fun as when I was in London with you! Ah, surely it's not as fond a memory for her as it was for me but still nice to hear (she turned 23 in London on our second night together two years ago).

And two of my Vegas girls I am still in touch with, one you would count even as a friend. Both have said they'the like to see me and Alexa even said she'the fly in from Vegas. My London fave remains in touch but I can feel some fade there. I mean we only had the five hours together.

I really develop a fondness for these girls even if we only spent a few hours together. Other than Valentina I really do wish them well and hope for the best for them. What about you? Stay in touch with your exes?

I do not keep contacting ex-girls, if that is what "stay in touch" implies. Of course, I did not throw away their contact details and still have the means to contact them in future (assuming they did not change their phone# - but many of them do). The thing is that even a simple action such as sending Hi will suggest you want to see them again, will want to revive an arrangement. If you simply send Hi and a few back and forth messages and then there is no follow up on your part to see them again (and most importantly from their pov, to give them some compensation for their time), they will be pis$ed and rightfully so. The reality is that these were not your girlfriends. It was a monetary transaction, if you strip away all the niceties. If they wanted to be in a relationship with you, to be your girlfriends, they would have told you so and given free sessions. Making contact randomly and with no follow up on the money part is a waste of time from their pov. Remember too, some of them may have moved on and be in a genuine relationship by now and if your message is seen by her current BF by accident, could be a serious problem for her. She was ready for arrangement at the time she did have an arrangement in the past. Until you know for sure that she is again ready to receive text messages that hint at anything about her past, in my view, it is inappropriate to send messages.

In these tough times, it is OK to contact a girl if you want to send a quick gift to help out. If that is what you want to do. I bet that will be appreciated by the girl. But simply pining the girl and reminiscing about good times of the past will do nothing. To you, the sex was the good memory, to her the money received was the good memory.

I have contacted girls after a year or longer, after the arrangement cooled off for a while. That is because I most definitely wanted to see her one more time, and assess her situation. But these have to be done very carefully because I do not want to get her into trouble. So, if I am contacting a girl after a year of dormancy, the first text is always very innocuous "Hi, how have you been, hope all is well with you". Will take a few back and forth messages and to get a measure of her tone before I come out with my intent. If the girl has no interest, she will blow me off and not even reply. Of course these are much easier to do if the girl is still active on SA and the messages happen on the SA site; then I know she is still in the market.

Finally, I keep my emotions strictly separated from my amoral activities. I am married and seek only sexual gratification in these encounters, be it on SA or visits to FKKs or other sites in US or strip club visits in the past. Developing any sort of emotional ties with these girls only leads to disasters. Strictly verboten in my view, unless you really are hoping to convert a specific SB arrangement into a GF relationship.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2486869]Last Saturday I met up with my slash part time model in MTY. We go have a great dinner and drinks at my favorite Steak House. We Get home all that plus anal. We wake up and have sex again. Finally we get up take showers off to the SPA, great experience. Get home I had bought some toys. We break them out. She sticks one in her ass and we go at it for 1 hour Sunday afternoon. All for $200 to her. Spa $150 and Dinner was $150, but trust me we got our money worth at the restaurant.[/QUOTE]That's amazing how you can get your sb for so cheap. I am planning my first trip (4 day weekend trip) in mid October to MTY. I contacted a few chics on SA's Monterrey. Two responded. I followed your price guideline and offered one chic 200 usd for 24 hours and she laughed me off. Another chic asked for 500 usd for 24 hours. I countered with 200 usd for 24 hours and she laughed me off.

So I am starting to think that 500 usd for 24 hours is the market rate for a slim and decent looking 20's sb in Monterrey. This price is still a bargain in comparison with the price in a major US city. This price is still cheaper than Regioscorsts.

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There seems to be a lot of angry people on SA. I am often surprised by the rudeness. I wonder if it is harder for women than us guys. They probably get hit on by a bunch of assholes, but what do they expect from such a site. [/QUOTE]When I was in the states, I asked some of my SBs about the other SDs on SA. And yep, they said that most SDs are assholes. Because SDs are the "buyers", they feel like they are entitled to be assholes. A few pages back, I mentioned that to have successful arrangements from SA, you just need to be nice, pay the market price, and sometimes even be fun. That's all. This puts us into a small minority among SDs.

For me, if anyone is rude to me on SA, I just brush it off and move on. As it has been mentioned on many occasions on here, finding the arrangement that you want, and with who you want, takes a LOT of time on SA. It's almost like a part time job.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2487333]She sounds like a dragon lady. Business sharp and very manipulative. She probably has sized you up already. China has a large underground market. Speculators borrow under the table to meet the down payment requirements. Would not be surprised that her money comes from people who got it through corruption. Thus, they recycle (launder) the money through people like your landlord. Both benefits. You have to ask yourself how a women would have access to such funds. Probably got it by her ex. Lover (divorce is rare and she would not get his property). Unless it is family wealth, you do not earn such money. [/QUOTE]She said she's a see-level exec of a small firm in which she's also a large shareholder. I kind of believe her, only because her English is pretty decent. I know this is a stupid reason to believe someone, but given that she can speak decent English suggests that she's decently educated. But the key is to not fuck this up by trying to hook up with her. If I tried to bed her and I end up failing or succeeding, then what happens to my apartment that I'm going to rent from her? I'm no longer going to allow our chats to meander into any kind of personal space. We texted a bunch of times yesterday about my moving in date, such as discussing what I need in terms of furnishings, about payment schedule, etc. , and at one point she said she's happy to have a handsome tenant and my response to her was, "thanks, please make sure the unit is thoroughly clean before I move in, especially the kitchen and bathroom, and make sure there is no trash that I need to take out. " She replied, "OK" and that was that.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2487405]Do any of you stay in touch with ex Babies?
[/QUOTE]I am still in touch with one. The main reasons why I stay in touch with her is because (1) she is very smart and (2) we eventually became pretty good friends when we were in our arrangement. There were times we would just meet for a beer after work. She graduated from an Ivy and she teased me because I graduated from a public university. But she majored in something stupid (I think it was astronomy), which is why she eventually ended up on SA. The last time I saw her, we watched one of the Presidential debates between Trump and Hilary, and then we fucked, and then the next day she moved from SF to NY. So, we've been in touch for 4 years via texting. Our text chats are actual conversations. We rarely discuss SA and our previous arrangement. We just talk about current events and our current lives. I even asked her for some advice on a couple of occasions, and I recently asked her for some advice regarding my current arrangement.

But I think staying in touch with ex SBs is just like staying in touch with ex GFs. It can sometimes happen, but it's rare.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487276] Even the Americans that live in Shanghai, that I talk to, all now agree that it's great to live in a communist country.

But this is obviously the view of one guy on the streets of Shanghai. Others have other views obviously.[/QUOTE]I think it is a view shared by many who have visited China.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2487557]I think it is a view shared by many who have visited China.[/QUOTE]Indeed, just as long as you can return to the good ole USA at a moments notice! 😂.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487547]When I was in the states, I asked some of my SBs about the other SDs on SA. And yep, they said that most SDs are assholes. Because SDs are the "buyers", they feel like they are entitled to be assholes. A few pages back, I mentioned that to have successful arrangements from SA, you just need to be nice, pay the market price, and sometimes even be fun. That's all. This puts us into a small minority among SDs.

For me, if anyone is rude to me on SA, I just brush it off and move on. As it has been mentioned on many occasions on here, finding the arrangement that you want, and with who you want, takes a LOT of time on SA. It's almost like a part time job..[/QUOTE]I have no doubt that many SDs are not so nice. Some of them may also be quite nice. Some SDs are posting here and they don't appear to be assholes, and I don't think they are the exceptions. I think being SDs, we have an asymmetric disadvantage in terms of knowledge about other SDs. We know a lot of SBs but hardly any other SDs (unless you have a friend who is also another SD). In fact, SBs may know other SBs but SDs hardly know many SDs. I say this because quite a few young women even seem to know about SA and other SB sites from their friends and get encouraged to join it from their friends. On the other hand, many SDs are older, married, in respectable jobs and will never admit to any of their peers that they are doing this. They keep this part of their life quiet and hidden.

Anyway, we don't know how other SDs behave. And the girls have an incentive to lie. By playing up how nice you are and how other guys are assholes, they try to boost your ego. That is one more way to entice.

Not saying they always lie, but they have an incentive.

And BTW, there are tons of scammer girls on SA. My own success ratio is in single digits at best. (If any one claims their hit ratio is 50% or 70%, they are lying or they must be looking like Ryan Gosling with the money of Jeff Bezos. Or perhaps they relax their spec on age / body type / ethnicity / looks etc). If I hit up 100 girls, I may eventually get to fuck a few. But that is not the worst of it. For every girl that I had sex with, there were at least twice as many or perhaps 4 times as many that tried to swindle money with some sob story, or asking me to send a $100 gift "to prove I am real" or some other garbage like that.

My point? Guys may be assholes, girls may be swindlers. This is par for the course on SA.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2487405]I really develop a fondness for these girls even if we only spent a few hours together. Other than Valentina I really do wish them well and hope for the best for them. What about you? Stay in touch with your exes?[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, I often will get back with them, see how hot they are, have great sex with them, and then ask why I broke up with them. Then right after, I remember why broke up with them and do it again.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487547]She said she's a see-level exec of a small firm in which she's also a large shareholder. I kind of believe her, only because her English is pretty decent. I know this is a stupid reason to believe someone, but given that she can speak decent English suggests that she's decently educated. But the key is to not fuck this up by trying to hook up with her. If I tried to bed her and I end up failing or succeeding, then what happens to my apartment that I'm going to rent from her? I'm no longer going to allow our chats to meander into any kind of personal space. We texted a bunch of times yesterday about my moving in date, such as discussing what I need in terms of furnishings, about payment schedule, etc. , and at one point she said she's happy to have a handsome tenant and my response to her was, "thanks, please make sure the unit is thoroughly clean before I move in, especially the kitchen and bathroom, and make sure there is no trash that I need to take out. " She replied, "OK" and that was that..[/QUOTE]Smart move. The key to life is making good decisions and understanding all the things that can go wrong. I never create situations with too many moving parts. You can never keep track of everything and eventually you make a mistake. That is the problem with chronic liars. Having the stronger hand is an advantage and bedding her would be a weak hand. If she really wanted you, she will chase and then you can carefully dictate the terms. Being able to walk away is always a good thing. How do you feel about being a gigolo? Does anyone still use that term?

I'm about to rent an apartment that I will use as a love shack.

Originally, my plan was the following. Each time my SB and I use it, I was going to tell her that I am renting it on AirBNB for 2-3 hours, at $15 an hour. However, I now realize that this lie will unravel for two reasons.

First, I will always have the key card to enter the building, and I will always have a key to the apartment room, on me. Sure, I could tell her that I picked up the card and keys just before I met up with her, but then this eliminates spontaneous sex. For example, what if we decide to spend the day having a picnic, and in the middle of it she says let's have sex. Then, she will expect me call or text the apartment owner to arrange for us to go pick up the card and key from him, when I already have them on me.

Second, and this is the main problem, the building security guards are eventually going to know that I actually am renting the place. So, I will become a familiar face, and so the SB will eventually just get a sense, after a couple of months, that I am actually renting the place.

So, what should I tell her?

I obviously cannot tell her that I am renting the place, because then she will want to move into it, and I don't want her fucking other guys in my apartment, and, more importantly, I want to use the love shack for meet my other SB and to meet outcall pros.

I also cannot tell her that this is my friend's apartment and he's letting me borrow it, because I don't feel like spending money to make it look like someone else lives there. For example, I'd have to buy clothes, shoes, luggage, laptop, sports equipment, office supplies, food, toiletries, etc. Lived-in apartments have a lot of crap in it. This apartment will have almost nothing in it.

On a related note, I cannot say that it's my friend's apartment but it's not rented yet and so he's letting me use it. Apartments do not go un-rented for long in Shanghai, so this is simply an implausible lie.

Please advise. TIA.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487785]I'm about to rent an apartment that I will use as a love shack.

Please advise. TIA.[/QUOTE]I used to work for a company that had rented / owned (not sure) a few apartments near the office; they could be borrowed by employees who lived far away and didn't want to go home that night.

Although I never used those apartments myself, it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that, it's against company policy, to let others permanently live in the apartment. You don't want the security guard to rat you out to your company, that you have a GF. Living there permanently. Also since not that many people are currently using this company benefit, you are often able to borrow the key from HR. I'm sure you could spin something like that.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487785]I'm about to rent an apartment that I will use as a love shack.

Originally, my plan was the following. Each time my SB and I use it, I was going to tell her that I am renting it on AirBNB for 2-3 hours, at $15 an hour. However, I now realize that this lie will unravel for two reasons.

First, I will always have the key card to enter the building, and I will always have a key to the apartment room, on me. Sure, I could tell her that I picked up the card and keys just before I met up with her, but then this eliminates spontaneous sex. For example, what if we decide to spend the day having a picnic, and in the middle of it she says let's have sex. Then, she will expect me call or text the apartment owner to arrange for us to go pick up the card and key from him, when I already have them on me.

Second, and this is the main problem, the building security guards are eventually going to know that I actually am renting the place. So, I will become a familiar face, and so the SB will eventually just get a sense, after a couple of months, that I am actually renting the place.

So, what should I tell her?

I obviously cannot tell her that I am renting the place, because then she will want to move into it, and I don't want her fucking other guys in my apartment, and, more importantly, I want to use the love shack for meet my other SB and to meet outcall pros..[/QUOTE]This is the issue with renting long term. Sooner or later something will go wrong, especially if you are doing multiple girls. I wish I had an answer.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2487785]I'm about to rent an apartment that I will use as a love shack.

Originally, my plan was the following. Each time my SB and I use it, I was going to tell her that I am renting it on AirBNB for 2-3 hours, at $15 an hour. However, I now realize that this lie will unravel for two reasons.

First, I will always have the key card to enter the building, and I will always have a key to the apartment room, on me. Sure, I could tell her that I picked up the card and keys just before I met up with her, but then this eliminates spontaneous sex. For example, what if we decide to spend the day having a picnic, and in the middle of it she says let's have sex. Then, she will expect me call or text the apartment owner to arrange for us to go pick up the card and key from him, when I already have them on me.

Second, and this is the main problem, the building security guards are eventually going to know that I actually am renting the place. So, I will become a familiar face, and so the SB will eventually just get a sense, after a couple of months, that I am actually renting the place.

So, what should I tell her?

I obviously cannot tell her that I am renting the place, because then she will want to move into it, and I don't want her fucking other guys in my apartment, and, more importantly, I want to use the love shack for meet my other SB and to meet outcall pros..[/QUOTE]Can't help but think you're wayyyyy overthinking all of this. Why not just have them at your place? If not, why not just have them at the new apartment. If they ask to move in say hell no?