Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282174]Salaam. Enjoy charged me 240/ hour. Apparently locals can get 160/ hour -- as long as they give up their anonymity and agree to post positive reviews of the club. Actually prices seem to be all over the place. There is one constant though: gringos will always pay more!

When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.[/QUOTE]I look as gringo as they come and I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.

However, even if ScoobieDiver was a gringo who didn't speak Portuguese and was not a member of those forums, he was with ABG, a known local, who should have gotten him the non-gringo price.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282174]When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you had such a bad experience at Enjoy. I went there as a Sampa newbie and had quite a good experience as far as the clinicas go. I literally enjoyed Enjoy Spa! Seeing that I was mostly disappointed with the whole clinica experience, I want to speak up for one of the few establishments where I felt I personally had a decent experience. I suppose YMMV, but I had a good time and the staff and girls were pleasant enough to me. I would therefore recommend Enjoy Spa.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282177]I look as gringo as they come and I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.

However, even if ScoobieDiver was a gringo who didn't speak Portuguese and was not a member of those forums, he was with ABG, a known local, who should have gotten him the non-gringo price.[/QUOTE]I find this whole "gringo price" stuff to be ridiculous. The prices are usually posted on a placard in full view or on a card that reception will show if asked. I know in Brooklin for example they are on a placard right on the wall by the reception. The posted prices are usually the "non-forista" price. There is no gringo price. There is just a "regular" price and a "forista" price (Tangara excepted, to be explained). Forista (as in 'those who post TDs in the gp-guia forum) is the discount price, which some here may mistakenly refer to as the "local" price. Calling it the "local" price is a misnomer. There are many locals who do not get the forista discount because they do not post on the forum. Likewise, most gringos, pay the 'regular" price because they too do not post on the forum. So there is regular and forista. That is it. There is no "gringo" price. There may be misunderstanding. I have read several reports over the years on this board where guys complain of being overcharged and "gringo'd" but in most cases that I have read, when one reads all the details there was a misunderstanding of the house rules, re entrances and consumption, or time limits etc.

The only place I ever heard of that had a legitimate rip off policy was a boate called Romanza which was notorious for silently padding the bill and overcharging drunk customers. And they paid taxi drivers to bring them tourists. They were a true clip joint. But the clinicas? Not in my experience. Just regular price and forista price. That is all you need to know to ask about. Vani's places like Tangara and Espaco Vergeiro and Redway do not offer a forista price, they only offer a "regular" price. They compensate by having a fidelity program where you get a card punched for every visit and after so many visits you get 1/2 price or full price discount.

Cheers.

So we have recently had two reviews complaining and suggesting guys avoid Moema Prime and enjoy. All I can say is, its a shame the guys who visited had bad experiences, but as someone who knows these places well, there is absolutely no reason for readers of this forum to "avoid" those places. Misunderstandings can happen anywhere in Brazil if you are not fluent in Portuguese. The women who work in the places are human, some are better than others, some are tired at the end of the day. One guy's negative experience should not be taken as the definitive reason for others to avoid a place. If there is a consensus of bad reports, then sure, that will be something to pay attention to.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282177]I look as gringo as they come and I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.

However, even if ScoobieDiver was a gringo who didn't speak Portuguese and was not a member of those forums, he was with ABG, a known local, who should have gotten him the non-gringo price.[/QUOTE]Do Does anybody know the names of the girl and the guy who mistreated you? Although management has changed there Scooby Diver and I were well treated at Enjoy.

Enjoy and most of the clinicas have a discount if you report your experience in the GP GUIA forum, as is the case of Jimmy Boy. There is no such thing as a gringo price. If you became a member of the GP GUIA and have posted you will be entitled to the discount too. But tell the receptionist that you are a GP GUIA member, she will check your post before you go up with a girl. Then you have the discount. If you are a member check on the GP GUIA the discounts each house grants. Some houses will accept Forum Cutuca reports also.

Any question please PM me!

ABG.

What's up with that? When did the price increase another R30 per hour, or did that include a tip for the girl?

If rates really went up, then how much is 1/2 hour?

Tangara has been 100/150 for as long as I remember. Of course I'm not counting extra to the girls for extra services.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282128]The price at Tangara was 150/ hour and at Enjoy it was 200/ hour (for posters on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] or [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] it was 180/ HR) when I was there in November. Per [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL], those were still the prices as of mid-January (with some posters there reporting paying 160/ HR at Enjoy Spa). Why did you pay more, especially since you were there with ABG, who should know the prices?[/QUOTE]Price of Tangara is 150 reais cash.

ABG.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2282227]So we have recently had two reviews complaining and suggesting guys avoid Moema Prime and enjoy. All I can say is, its a shame the guys who visited had bad experiences, but as someone who knows these places well, there is absolutely no reason for readers of this forum to "avoid" those places. Misunderstandings can happen anywhere in Brazil if you are not fluent in Portuguese. The women who work in the places are human, some are better than others, some are tired at the end of the day. One guy's negative experience should not be taken as the definitive reason for others to avoid a place. If there is a consensus of bad reports, then sure, that will be something to pay attention to.[/QUOTE]I also meant to point out that the prices in the clinicas are subject to change over time. Prices reported on this forum are often out of date. Some places lower their prices for a season, then raise them the next season, which may contribute to visitors expecting the price they read about in a report that is now out of date. The best strategy is to ask up front about the price, make it clear how much time you want to stay in the room - 1/2 hour or 1 hour. Write down the question on a piece of paper if necessary to present to the reception. If you are not quoted the price you want or expect, then leave before going to the room. Quite simple really.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282174]Salaam. Enjoy charged me 240/ hour. Apparently locals can get 160/ hour -- as long as they give up their anonymity and agree to post positive reviews of the club. Actually prices seem to be all over the place. There is one constant though: gringos will always pay more!

When I went to Enjoy Spa, I had an awful experience, quite unlike the other clinicas. The girl at Enjoy didn't really want to do anything at all. It was so bad I had to abandon the session, which I never do. At reception I explained politely what had happened: then a pimp-like character -- apparently the owner -- emerged and started insulting me wildly! I was absolutely gobsmacked. I go back a long way with Brazil and consider it a pretty gringo-friendly country but there is a seriously anti-gringo vibe at Enjoy Spa. The receptionist looked miserable, like this happens a lot and she wished she was working somewhere else. There were no other customers, so I guess the locals know well enough to AVOID Enjoy Spa.

I know this post will annoy some long-time posters on this thread but the truth needs to get out to newbies: there are about ten other clinicas within 1 km of Enjoy where you can get much better service, and all without paying a gringo price, or paying a local or guide for "protection". Just scroll through this thread to find them.[/QUOTE]I stated in an earlier post that Tangara had the most friendly receptionist I have met in Latin America and I must say now that Enjoy has the worst receptionist I have encountered in all of Latin America; now add to this the overcharging. Enjoy used to have very nice girls in some of my previous visits but in my last visit to SP last year I found the talent had fallen off significantly, although I did encounter the best looking girl there in one of my visits. Nevertheless generally the talent was significantly less than in previous years. I'm not sure whether general receipt of less revenue might be responsible for the overcharging.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2282452]I stated in an earlier post that Tangara had the most friendly receptionist I have met in Latin America and I must say now that Enjoy has the worst receptionist I have encountered in all of Latin America; now add to this the overcharging. Enjoy used to have very nice girls in some of my previous visits but in my last visit to SP last year I found the talent had fallen off significantly, although I did encounter the best looking girl there in one of my visits. Nevertheless generally the talent was significantly less than in previous years. I'm not sure whether general receipt of less revenue might be responsible for the overcharging.[/QUOTE]Sigh. Whatever the staff looked like when you visited last year, it is unlikely that has any relevance to the current talent. The constant turnover is the only constant. From month to month, week to week and day to day, the impression people get is going to vary widely depending on who shows up for work, who is currently attending clients in the rooms, and the eye of the beholder. I have no doubt that several guys go to the same location on a given day and they call come away with divergent opinions on the "talent level".

There is also no evidence that there is any systematic overcharging going on. This is like some sort of mini-panic on this board.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2282452]I stated in an earlier post that Tangara had the most friendly receptionist I have met in Latin America and I must say now that Enjoy has the worst receptionist I have encountered in all of Latin America; now add to this the overcharging. Enjoy used to have very nice girls in some of my previous visits but in my last visit to SP last year I found the talent had fallen off significantly, although I did encounter the best looking girl there in one of my visits. Nevertheless generally the talent was significantly less than in previous years. I'm not sure whether general receipt of less revenue might be responsible for the overcharging.[/QUOTE]I also suspect that the receptionist you are referring to from Enjoy is not even the one that currently works there. There was a unpleasant bitchy receptionist there, a tall blonde woman, who worked there for a long time. But Enjoy changed ownership sometime after Moema Prime opened in 2018, and the reception that is at Enjoy now is not the same as was there before the ownership change in 2018.

[QUOTE=Sparky17;2282170]Thank Steve and ABG. ABG I am not Senior yet. I wish I would have stayed another night in Sao Paola. We still might come a day earlier on departure. If so I will keep you posted.

Saw your other posts Steve. I might check it out. How was the English there?[/QUOTE]The English is lacking even in high end clubs. At Scandalo it seemed a bit lacking luckily Karina had studied 10 mos English. At Fazendinha I only hit on and scored Thifany was good I had some Portugus. We made it work. Think English will be limited but don't let it stop you. You can figure it out. But I really recommend Pimsleur Portuguese. It's all audio. You can do it on your commute.

Thinking back now, I did the duo with Thifany and Maria just because I was trying to make small talk in my limited Português. “Do you have any friends at the club” and an epic duo ensued. Likewise you probably didn’t read about my Thifany saga since it was back in August. But in brief she spent a week in London with me based solely on our 5 hours together at Fazendinha. I am certain that would never have happened if I was just another English speaking Gringo. And really it couldn’t have worked otherwise. Our first dinner together in London (her birthday!) was only possible because of her broken English and my broken Português. And Google translate when we both came up empty. None of this would have happened without my minor investment.

Ps I’ve written up the whole Thifany story. Much too long to post here. PM me with a safe email address for u and I will send it.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2282177] I have never had an issue at Enjoy, either with the pricing, the service, or the management, although I get by with Portunol and they know I am a member of gp-guia and forumcutuca.[/QUOTE]Al-salaam Habibby Jimmy and Peace upon your Flock.

I don't doubt it is possible to have a good experience at Enjoy Spa if you are buddies with the manager and regularly post good reviews on the local forums that he can tie to you. But I think the great Silent Majority of mongers reading this thread will be casual fly-ins, and they will be wondering: how can they get good service without going to all that effort, without becoming one of Enjoy Spa's Army of Yes Men?

Call me old-fashioned but I believe all mongers should receive equal treatment if they put their money down.

Miruna's and Tangara are better. I would recommend avoiding Moema Prime (sorry Rovnak). But the real talent is in the high-end places, so I guess in that respect at least I am in agreement with Mr Cane -- though for me it is not so much about optics but the fact that they screen the girls better.

Just my 2 dirhams.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2282502]Al-salaam Habibby Jimmy and Peace upon your Flock.

I don't doubt it is possible to have a good experience at Enjoy Spa if you are buddies with the manager and regularly post good reviews on the local forums that he can tie to you. But I think the great Silent Majority of mongers reading this thread will be casual fly-ins, and they will be wondering: how can they get good service without going to all that effort, without becoming one of Enjoy Spa's Army of Yes Men?

Call me old-fashioned but I believe all mongers should receive equal treatment if they put their money down.

Miruna's and Tangara are better. I would recommend avoiding Moema Prime (sorry Rovnak). But the real talent is in the high-end places, so I guess in that respect at least I am in agreement with Mr Cane -- though for me it is not so much about optics but the fact that they screen the girls better.

Just my 2 dirhams.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I know you guys are trying to be helpful to the readers but these "opinions" but I cannot disagree more strongly with the characterizations of these establishments that are based on one or two visits at a particular time. I think it is actually a disservice to suggest that visitors "skip" certain places. Unless there is a strong pattern of poor service. And there is not strong pattern. Every guy reports different favorite locations because everyone here has their own tastes and as I cannot repeat often enough, though it seems very few people "get it" - the turnover in these places make last month's report already obsolete. Guys session with one girl and she is lazy and they want to write off the clinica? That's just irrational.

I don't even understand your comment about the high end places "screening the girls better". On what is this based other than wishful thinking? I know plenty of guys that have had their worst experiences of the trip at the high end boates, and I am not talking about price, just pure disappointment int he bedroom.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2282513]Honestly, I know you guys are trying to be helpful to the readers but these "opinions" but I cannot disagree more strongly with the characterizations of these establishments that are based on one or two visits at a particular time. I think it is actually a disservice to suggest that visitors "skip" certain places. Unless there is a strong pattern of poor service. And there is not strong pattern. Every guy reports different favorite locations because everyone here has their own tastes and as I cannot repeat often enough, though it seems very few people "get it" - the turnover in these places make last month's report already obsolete. Guys session with one girl and she is lazy and they want to write off the clinica? That's just irrational.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Rovnak here. Any persons traveling there for the first time (or even second) should try a bunch of different places. Everyone has different preferences and different tastes. Different people will also fit in better at different places and with different people. So try a few different places and make up your own mind as to what you like the best.