Hong Kong Club Reports

[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2355714]Nine times out of ten, you get a slightly better price using pesos. And I've never seen even a hint of an attitude if I pay in pesos.[/QUOTE]The question is whether or not that "slightly" better price is worth the hassle of exchanging, carrying two sets of currency, exchanging back (or spending it just to get rid of it), not to mention the possibility of fucking up and overpaying because you aren't comfortable with the conversion rate.

Those may not be issues for you, or for an experienced guy, or someone who travels there frequently, but for some they are. Dividing by 18.5 is not the simplest thing in the world and unless you want to pull out your phone to calculate every exchange it's easy to just think of it as about 20 to 1. Until you end up giving a girl 1600 pesos ($88) rather than $80 she initially asked for. Or else you decide to haggle and offer 1500 (that's less than 1600, right?) and it's still $81.

[QUOTE=Jackie888;2355689]If I have an overnight room, is it possible to take a chica to Cascadas / Rizo without her ID?[/QUOTE]Depends on the front desk clerk. If she's a street girl and they know her, it's usually not a problem. If the clerk is lazy (or thinks she works in the club) he may just ask her name. But he may ask to see an ID and a health card. I don't know if a tip will get you past that check.

Most escorts won't go to Cascadas or Rizo, and if she's a civilian she may not want to go to a hooker hotel either. I've taken girls from other clubs to my room in Cascadas after their shift and had no issues.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2355816]The question is whether or not that "slightly" better price is worth the hassle of exchanging, carrying two sets of currency, exchanging back (or spending it just to get rid of it), not to mention the possibility of fucking up and overpaying because you aren't comfortable with the conversion rate.

Those may not be issues for you, or for an experienced guy, or someone who travels there frequently, but for some they are.[/QUOTE]I just assume that anyone who is asking which currency they should use is capable of understanding exchange rates.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2355816]Until you end up giving a girl 1600 pesos ($88) rather than $80 she initially asked for. Or else you decide to haggle and offer 1500 (that's less than 1600, right?) and it's still $81.[/QUOTE]This seems to be the most overlooked aspect of the ZN economy. The BG's round to the nearest 10 dollars or 100 pesos. So unless the dollar becomes valued at more than 20 pesos, it's generally better to pay BG's in dollars. It's usually better to pay SG's in pesos, but some of them have been catching on to the true exchange rate the past year or two.

Going to go check out the clubs on Sunday night. Any mongers going to be there? Could use some wingmen and beer pals.

How much time do you guys get with Hong Kong girls? I paid $80 for a good looking chick but only fucked her and nutted after 20 minutes. She wasn't stellar performance-wise for me to want to fuck her round 2 and plus I was tired after I nutted so she left after 20 minutes. I feel like I'm getting ripped off. I paid $80 for 20 minutes. Anyway to find girls that will stay longer and make sure you get a full experience or do you have to test out the girls and throw away the ones that don't feel bad ripping you off out of your time?

Also, why does every girl ask for money before you start? Is this the norm?? Should I just say no? I try to tell the girls I'll pay them after sex but they don't listen.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2356650]How much time do you guys get with Hong Kong girls? I paid $80 for a good looking chick but only fucked her and nutted after 20 minutes. She wasn't stellar performance-wise for me to want to fuck her round 2 and plus I was tired after I nutted so she left after 20 minutes. I feel like I'm getting ripped off. I paid $80 for 20 minutes. Anyway to find girls that will stay longer and make sure you get a full experience or do you have to test out the girls and throw away the ones that don't feel bad ripping you off out of your time?

Also, why does every girl ask for money before you start? Is this the norm?? Should I just say no? I try to tell the girls I'll pay them after sex but they don't listen.[/QUOTE]My experience is the same as yours but that's usually because if you haven't finished in 20 minutes someone from the hotel will come knocking at your door and tell you that the time is up. If you nut before 20 minutes, consider the transaction complete. They don't stay and cuddle which sucks for me because I'm a cuddler.

I believe you can pay for more time beforehand but the girl will want extra money too.

Hong Kong girls have tried to charge $100 on a regular basis but if they don't come down in price I decline the service.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2356650]How much time do you guys get with Hong Kong girls? I paid $80 for a good looking chick but only fucked her and nutted after 20 minutes. She wasn't stellar performance-wise for me to want to fuck her round 2 and plus I was tired after I nutted so she left after 20 minutes. I feel like I'm getting ripped off. I paid $80 for 20 minutes. Anyway to find girls that will stay longer and make sure you get a full experience or do you have to test out the girls and throw away the ones that don't feel bad ripping you off out of your time?

Also, why does every girl ask for money before you start? Is this the norm?? Should I just say no? I try to tell the girls I'll pay them after sex but they don't listen.[/QUOTE]Standard time is 30 minutes, but once you nut you are done. If you are a VIP or have your own room you can stay longer, but the girl will usually start to get annoyed after 30-40 minutes and will leave after you nut. MSOG isn't a thing unless you negotiate it. That's kind of standard -- unless you negotiate it, don't expect it. Be explicit with what you want. If you want a full hour with multiple pops, tell her. She'll charge you more.

An escort will be about the same price as a bar girl, but will come for an hour and often will include multiple pops. But most won't come to the Zona so you'll need your own hotel room.

I can never get 30 minutes at HK. All the time the girl cuts it off at the 15-20 minute mark. It's fucking ridiculous. They start telling me my time is up after 15 minutes of sex when we negotiated for a half hour in the bar? What the fuck is this? I just met with a girl who looked very good, a 10 in looks. She wanted $100 and I decided to go for it since she really looks stellar. I even bought her a drink and chatted with her for 10-15 minutes at a table prior to taking upstairs.

But she shorted me time. And the sex was not that good. She kept whining and commanding me to do things. She wouldn't let me enjoy myself and get in the moment. I'm paying this chick $100 what the hell? And again she wanted the money up front before anything happens.

How do you guys deal with this? Should I just not see the better looking girls? It's frustrating because you can't tell which girl will clock watch and end it at 15 minutes and which won't. The first girl I banged at HK I fucked her twice and we didn't negotiate that beforehand. There are definitely girls out there that want to provide a good service. But then there are girls that fucking cut it at 15 minutes.

Seriously guys I need help. I couldn't nut with the girl I paid $100 to. When a girl is whining at me during sex it already puts me in a bad mood. I think I'm better off seeing street girls and saving my money.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2356650]How much time do you guys get with Hong Kong girls? I paid $80 for a good looking chick but only fucked her and nutted after 20 minutes. She wasn't stellar performance-wise for me to want to fuck her round 2 and plus I was tired after I nutted so she left after 20 minutes. I feel like I'm getting ripped off. I paid $80 for 20 minutes. Anyway to find girls that will stay longer and make sure you get a full experience or do you have to test out the girls and throw away the ones that don't feel bad ripping you off out of your time?

Also, why does every girl ask for money before you start? Is this the norm?? Should I just say no? I try to tell the girls I'll pay them after sex but they don't listen.[/QUOTE]Girls asking for money up front seems to be the new standard in Tijuana. Many guys would disagree but personally I don't see any difference in service whether paying up front or after. When I am repeating or with a girl I already vibed with in the bar, I will normally offer the cash up front. I know one thing is for sure if they want the money and the monger makes a big deal about paying after then that is probably going to ruin the session. Probably better to bail on session than proceed if paying up front is a dealbreaker and she insists.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2356755]I can never get 30 minutes at HK. All the time the girl cuts it off at the 15-20 minute mark. It's fucking ridiculous. They start telling me my time is up after 15 minutes of sex when we negotiated for a half hour in the bar? What the fuck is this? I just met with a girl who looked very good, a 10 in looks. She wanted $100 and I decided to go for it since she really looks stellar. I even bought her a drink and chatted with her for 10-15 minutes at a table prior to taking upstairs.

But she shorted me time. And the sex was not that good. She kept whining and commanding me to do things. She wouldn't let me enjoy myself and get in the moment. I'm paying this chick $100 what the hell? And again she wanted the money up front before anything happens.[/QUOTE]You mention no less than three times in your post that you paid a Bar Girl $100.

I too think you would be better off seeing street girls and saving your money.

However, if you need the full 30 minutes for your sessions, Street Girls may not be the answer. Most Street Girls, and the hotels they use, time the short-term rooms at 15 or 20 minutes.

Over a decade ago, when I was reading from other posters complaining about getting cheated on time, I began bringing a kitchen timer in the room, and starting the timer in front of the chica. This worked great for me. The chicas seemed to be OK with it, some even indicated that they thought I was smart to do it.

However on the chat boards I was highly ridiculed for it.

Eventually I learned how and where best to rent overnight rooms in Tijuana. I also learned successful negotiating skills. Like making low-ball offers instead of acting like a rookie and asking the girl "How Much?

I still use the kitchen timer, but only rarely now. I will whip-out the timer at the start of the session only when the cita's time-length was brought up & agreed to during the sidewalk negotiation. For the few times that I still use a timer, it works great. There's a constant meeting of minds as to when the session will end, which pleases us both when cita time was a concern.

If I fail to come in 15 or 20 minutes of BBBJ from a walker, there no sense of failure or displeasure. If her technique was adequate, I offer "doublay" where we both often effortlessly agree to double the time, double the pay and reach a satisfactory conclusion.

The moderator should start a "Hall of Shame" where we can list the price, name, and physical descriptions of the worst chicas. That way we can jointly work to avoid the Tijuana rip-off chica cartel.

I'm sorry to all if this seems very generalizing but my second trip to Tijuana has made me realize that most bar girls are total rip offs and every girl that asks for $100 is a complete rip off. How do they rip you off? Let me explain. They basically fuck you for a total of 15 minutes, yet you paid them $80-100 for 30 minutes. So in essence, they have stolen $40-50 from you. And they have no shame or etiquette at all in doing that. I ask the girl after 15 minutes of sex "I thought we agreed 30 minutes? She couldn't give me a solid reason for cutting it short. She starts mumbling "I need to shower baby" . How in the world is this acceptable? It's nauseating and really unfair. These girls don't realize it but they are turning off new mongers from ever coming back to Tijuana due to a really cheated session.

In my opinion, street girls seems to be better. Why? Because you fuck them for 15-20 minutes, which is the same as a HK girl. In fact, you may actually get to fuck the street girl longer than the bar girl! I swear, my bar girl sessions are literally like 15-16 minutes long. No I am not making this up. I pay the girls $80 for 15 minutes of sex. With a street girl you get the same amount of sex and you only pay $25. Literally 3 times cheaper and you get a girl that is just as hot as the bar girl, maybe a little less hot. Knowing this, why even see a bar girl LOL!

So in reality. The bar girls are an extreme rip off. You can never get your money's worth. It's always in favor of the chica and the monger almost always ends up with a cheated session.

Escorts from an agency may be a bit better, I've never tried them. $85 for a full hour and you get girlfriend experience from what I hear? Also, if the session is bad you can complain to the agency which is wonderful to have that option. If a bar girl session goes bad, who can you complain to? No one. There is no insurance policy and you are spending a lot of money. Think about it, you're investing $80-100 into a bar girl with the off chance that it could end up terribly. If a street session goes bad, it's not that big of a deal since it was only $25. And if an escort agency girl goes bad, prepare to complain like hell to the agency and hope to be compensated.

[QUOTE=Jackie888;2356971]The moderator should start a "Hall of Shame" where we can list the price, name, and physical descriptions of the worst chicas. That way we can jointly work to avoid the Tijuana rip-off chica cartel.[/QUOTE]I highly agree. I wish there was a way to see each girl's rating as you walk through the bar LOL. Like the number of stars above her head that shows how many people were satisfied and her "average rating". It would be so easy to identify the clock watchers and rip offs that way. Because something like this doesn't exist, I wouldn't be surprised if 95% of the girls in HK are running the same game: rip off the customer with 15 minutes of sex. Really they are not doing an elaborate scheme. They are simply stealing 50% of the monger's money and are getting away with it very easily. It's shameful. But they don't care, they have no shame and just want to make money, sad.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2356961]You mention no less than three times in your post that you paid a Bar Girl $100.

I too think you would be better off seeing street girls and saving your money.

However, if you need the full 30 minutes for your sessions, Street Girls may not be the answer. Most Street Girls, and the hotels they use, time the short-term rooms at 15 or 20 minutes.

Over a decade ago, when I was reading from other posters complaining about getting cheated on time, I began bringing a kitchen timer in the room, and starting the timer in front of the chica. This worked great for me. The chicas seemed to be OK with it, some even indicated that they thought I was smart to do it.

However on the chat boards I was highly ridiculed for it.

Eventually I learned how and where best to rent overnight rooms in Tijuana. I also learned successful negotiating skills. Like making low-ball offers instead of acting like a rookie and asking the girl "How Much?.[/QUOTE]The kitchen timer thing sounds good but let's be honest. Do you think these bar girls will honor that? These girls are shorting you on time for a reason. Because they know they can get away with it. If the kitchen timer says 15 minutes of sex, I can almost guarantee that the chica will not give two shits and start wrapping it up: stop having sex, getting in the shower, and start getting dressed. And what are you do to? You can't stop them. So all you can do is look at your timer, see you got 15 minutes of sex, and just sit there and watch as the girl leaves. In my opinion the real solution is to just not see bar girls. These girls are running a rip off scheme and their scheme will never be stopped because it's built on foreigners that don't know any better. I would rather find girls elsewhere. Such as street girls or escorts. Really when you think about it, you may be better off not even coming to Tijuana and figuring out a way to finesse cheap deals with hot girls through other methods.

The bar girls are the easy go to spots for girls to cheat you out of your money, and it works all the time.

As far as the negotiation, I usually state $80 and press on that for a bit. The hotter girls will refuse to go off $100. I realize now that you should never pay these girls $100. They are entitled and terrible people. They will not give you a satisfying service.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2356762]Girls asking for money up front seems to be the new standard in Tijuana. Many guys would disagree but personally I don't see any difference in service whether paying up front or after. When I am repeating or with a girl I already vibed with in the bar, I will normally offer the cash up front. I know one thing is for sure if they want the money and the monger makes a big deal about paying after then that is probably going to ruin the session. Probably better to bail on session than proceed if paying up front is a dealbreaker and she insists.[/QUOTE]Why don't more people talk about having to pay up front? It seems that every single girl asks for the money up front. You would have to bail on every girl because they all ask for it. I have no problems putting the money on the desk but when she asks for it and needs it in her purse before she can began to do anything: you just know the session will be terrible. And there's no way to avoid that too. Once it happens in the moment you basically have to pay her or stand still and fumble a bit. I haven't completely denied to pay up front yet but I can imagine it would be very awkward to do so, you would have to get her out of your room. On all my sessions I just pay upfront when asked, but I can fucking tell you that I know the session is not going to be stellar right before I pay. It will usually be lukewarm or bad.

Man, so much bullshit in these bars. You don't get your money's worth at all. Total rip offs left and right. Thought Tijuana was the spot to fuck girls. It is, you can have sex with hotties, but will it be good sex? Not most of the time. If you want good sex you need to go through a lot of trial and error and identifying which girls are terrible. Which means you need a lot of money before you can find some good looking girls that give good service. I thought we are paying to get what we want right away? Not still do this sifting and searching just to get our money's worth? Incredibly lame.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2356755]I can never get 30 minutes at HK. All the time the girl cuts it off at the 15-20 minute mark. It's fucking ridiculous. They start telling me my time is up after 15 minutes of sex when we negotiated for a half hour in the bar? What the fuck is this? I just met with a girl who looked very good, a 10 in looks. She wanted $100 and I decided to go for it since she really looks stellar. I even bought her a drink and chatted with her for 10-15 minutes at a table prior to taking upstairs.

But she shorted me time. And the sex was not that good. She kept whining and commanding me to do things. She wouldn't let me enjoy myself and get in the moment. I'm paying this chick $100 what the hell? And again she wanted the money up front before anything happens.

How do you guys deal with this? Should I just not see the better looking girls? It's frustrating because you can't tell which girl will clock watch and end it at 15 minutes and which won't. The first girl I banged at HK I fucked her twice and we didn't negotiate that beforehand. There are definitely girls out there that want to provide a good service. But then there are girls that fucking cut it at 15 minutes.

Seriously guys I need help. I couldn't nut with the girl I paid $100 to. When a girl is whining at me during sex it already puts me in a bad mood. I think I'm better off seeing street girls and saving my money.[/QUOTE]Seems to me you're doing a lot of whining yourself. Don't take this the wrong way, it's not personal. But man up, grow a pair, and take charge of the situation. If you have to learn a bit more Spanish so that your points are understood, then do so.

During your interview downstairs, point out that it's to be "una media hora completa. " I don't care what others say, Mexicans have a saying. "El mariachi pagado toca mal son. " The pre-paid mariachi plays badly. Stop paying up front. If she balks, stop thinking with your little head and cut her loose. Would you rather just go find another girl, or waste a bunch of money and then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about it?

I think you're also learning what you could have learned by reading this, and other forums. The best looking girls almost always provide the worst service. They don't give a shit, they don't respect you, and there is a never-ending stream of stupid gringos right behind you who will put up with any kind of bullshit. Set your sights a bit lower and service will improve. But you'll still need to be in charge. It's your money, you set the terms. I guarantee if she's not paid until afterwards, she'll have no incentive to skip out early.

Oh, and as an aside, $100 for a half hour is, literally, insane money. A girl with the education level of the average BG will earn around $1300 pesos per WEEK in a factory.

Once the chica has all your money in her hands, you've lost control. At this point, she can walk out on you. Will you whine and beg like you are married for her to come back? Offer half now and half afterwards. If she refuses this reasonable offer, tell her to get out. Then find a reasonable chica. Which should be easy because you still have all your money.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2356762]Girls asking for money up front seems to be the new standard in Tijuana. Many guys would disagree but personally I don't see any difference in service whether paying up front or after. When I am repeating or with a girl I already vibed with in the bar, I will normally offer the cash up front. I know one thing is for sure if they want the money and the monger makes a big deal about paying after then that is probably going to ruin the session. Probably better to bail on session than proceed if paying up front is a dealbreaker and she insists.[/QUOTE]