Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=JibReach;2285247]Blondes? I have seen Athena, Eva and Andressa. Brunettes? Agata and Jennifer.

As for GPGuia, it has lost a lot of its credibility over the past year and many of the higher-end women don't want to be on it. Just FYI, the way that site is set up, you can't post a review unless the girl consents to her topic being included on the site.[/QUOTE]I have written about the policy change that gp-guia instituted sometime over the past year or 2 whereby the site now requires that GPS "authorize" the posting of TDs. Specifically, they need to authorize the opening of a topic associated with their phone number. They do not authorize individual TD.

And, yes, this has diminished the "volume" of TDs related to free lancers. It has not diminished the TDs related to clincias and prives.

But when you write "it has lost a lot of its credibility over the past year and many of the higher-end women don't want to be on it" . I do not understand what you are implying because the sentence can be read one way, but that way contradicts to some extent my understanding of the situation. It seems that you are implying that the higher end "GPS don't want to be reviewed on gp-guia because it has lost credibility". Is that what you are implying? Not sure what "credibility" loss you are referring to that would be viewed as a negative for the GPS? Can you explain? Maybe I misinterpreted your comment based on the specific phrasing which is somewhat ambiguous.

I say that that contradicts my understanding because my impression is that the change in policy has not really caused a loss in credibility, but rather that it has reduced the number of negative or buyer beware reviews because the poorly reviewed GPS do not authorize the reviews, naturally, because it is not in their interest to be negatively reviewed. So quite often a NEW provider is negatively reviewed by the first reviewer, and then the thread is shut down by the moderator because the GP has not authorized TDs and of course she will not authorize because the first TD is negative. So it becomes something of a catch 22 preventing the calling out of poor or bait and switch providers. So one might say that the "credibility" of the site is reduced to the extent that it no longer functions as well as it did in the past in identifying the POOR providers. But what does that have to do with why ostensibly GOOD providers would not be willing to be reviewed? Do you see what I am saying? There is a contradiction there, unless I am missing your point. IMO a "good" provider has nothing to worry about and everything to gain by continuing to participate in gp-guia and receive its free marketing boost. Only the poor providers have to worry about a negative business impact. So when a provider tells me that she does not want to be associated with gp-guia this is normally a red flag for me, a warning, not an encouraging indicator.

The real threat to gp-guia's credibility is the false positive reports, which again are a benefit to the provider and not something a legitimately good provider will need to worry or concern themselves with. By false positive TDs I refer to TDs written by the provider herself or friends, pimps, whoever which falsely claim how GOOD the provider is. Moderators are pretty aggressive about eliminating these false TDs.

IMO, gp-guia has not "lost credibility", but it does suffer from a terrible search engine and lack of standardization in terms of phone numbers which makes it a nightmare to find TDs for GPS, but this has been a problem forever with that site.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2285113]I'm surprised that there isn't more info on gpguia about high end (and highly promoted) garotas like this. For example Nick Rosa has 2 reviews that I could find. One great and one horrible. 800 Reis, the same as a Scandallo girl! What am I to think?

I still think Brasil has the smallest gap between what you see on twitter, the sites etc. ,and reality of what shows up at your door, of anywhere I've been. So I think that what you see there is pretty close to what you are going to get. Have a blast![/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean by "the same as a Scandallo girl? What am I to think?" What is the question exactly or the significance of the Scandalo price comparison? Both Scandalo and free lance prices are somewhat market driven. The GPS will press their advantage. The normal life cycle of a GP is something of a ladder. They start off lower priced, build up a clientele and then start to increase their prices and test the limits of the market.

I personally, will not have fun with that list because as someone who lives here I prefer to see ladies that are at the beginning of their professional life not at the peak. The peak providers that have their marketing game in gear and command the big $$ are probably a decent thing for visitors, which is why I said it will be a good list for visitors. And as noted these ladies are probably great "company", for guys that want to take them out to dinner and such. That is great for guys with cash and I would probably do that if I were visiting occasionally. However, I would be negligent if I did not point out that the longer a woman works in this field and the more contact she has with foreigners the more likely she is to pick up the same habits that escorts around the world are known for. They become more focused on externalities of wealth and privilege, more focused on "performing" in bed rather than "letting go". Basically, what in Brasil are called the "vices" of putas. I am not suggesting that these girls are at all subject to those issues, and certainly the ones that JibReach knows personally have his personal imprimatur! I am just responding to you question of "what am I to think" as best I can.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2285394]I have written about the policy change that gp-guia instituted sometime over the past year or 2 whereby the site now requires that GPS "authorize" the posting of TDs. Specifically, they need to authorize the opening of a topic associated with their phone number. They do not authorize individual TD.

And, yes, this has diminished the "volume" of TDs related to free lancers. It has not diminished the TDs related to clincias and prives.

But when you write "it has lost a lot of its credibility over the past year and many of the higher-end women don't want to be on it" . I do not understand what you are implying because the sentence can be read one way, but that way contradicts to some extent my understanding of the situation. It seems that you are implying that the higher end "GPS don't want to be reviewed on gp-guia because it has lost credibility". Is that what you are implying? Not sure what "credibility" loss you are referring to that would be viewed as a negative for the GPS? Can you explain? Maybe I misinterpreted your comment based on the specific phrasing which is somewhat ambiguous..[/QUOTE]Don't mean to step on toes, especially with a current Paulista! (I was. . . . A long time ago) And I can't comment at all about the Clinicas, Boates, etc. I have tried and they simply aren't for me. But that is simply a matter of personality.

What I mean, and this is second hand from the GPS and some of the more well-known putanheiros is that there is to some degree a moderation problem. And an extortion problem. GPS have been threatened with bad TDs, entire topics have been removed, etc. And other perceived problems. This started last spring (well Fall) right after the Gp Guia party in April. I find it a continuing resource and I recommend it. But I wouldn't take it as gospel.

Jib Reach.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2285440]Not sure what you mean by "the same as a Scandallo girl? What am I to think?" What is the question exactly or the significance of the Scandalo price comparison? Both Scandalo and free lance prices are somewhat market driven. The GPS will press their advantage. The normal life cycle of a GP is something of a ladder. They start off lower priced, build up a clientele and then start to increase their prices and test the limits of the market.

I personally, will not have fun with that list because as someone who lives here I prefer to see ladies that are at the beginning of their professional life not at the peak. The peak providers that have their marketing game in gear and command the big $$ are probably a decent thing for visitors, which is why I said it will be a good list for visitors. And as noted these ladies are probably great "company", for guys that want to take them out to dinner and such. That is great for guys with cash and I would probably do that if I were visiting occasionally. However, I would be negligent if I did not point out that the longer a woman works in this field and the more contact she has with foreigners the more likely she is to pick up the same habits that escorts around the world are known for.[/QUOTE]I largely agree. Though you can find a lot of 18/19/20 yos on Twitter. Hardly at the peak of their career. Others, who have been in the business or start as independents at 25 or 26 may have come from the clinics. There are also quite a few that were fischa rosa and got tired of the fee splitting and the inability to select clients and schedules.

And, for the record, I am not experienced in this world at all, having begun my journey just about a year ago. I have been lucky in developing a couple of friendships in the "parallel universe", but that's it.

So, for anyone noting an inconsistency between me and one of the seniors like Rovnak, follow Rovnak! While what I say is true in my experience, I am not qualifies to make broad reaching generalizations.

[QUOTE=JibReach;2285247]
As for GPGuia, it has lost a lot of its credibility over the past year and many of the higher-end women don't want to be on it. Just FYI, the way that site is set up, you can't post a review unless the girl consents to her topic being included on the site.
[/QUOTE]I don't think GPGuia or forumcutuca ever had much credibility. If anybody knows of a local forum that [B]doesn't[/B] have deals with the same clinicas as it is reviewing, I'd be eager to know it. However, I despair of finding such objective reviews. As in most countries I have visited, the local forums have been effectively neutralised as a matter of policy. They pretend to be about controlling the girls; they are really about controlling the mongers.

From reading such local forums you will never know which houses have turned into tourist traps and which have remained good. The stream of reports will look exactly the same as it did five years ago.

Guys who are heavily invested in the clinicas will never admit this. In that respect and others, the "forista" system resembles a pyramid scheme.

Just my 2 dirhams. Let the shouting begin.

Took Metro here Friday evening. Arrived at the club about 10:15 PM. Entered the club; dead. 5 women, maybe 8 men, all sitting and standing around the bar. Nothing happening, no girl of interest. Looked around for 30 seconds and walked out. If it's this dead on a Saturday night, how bad is it during the week?

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2285625]I don't think GPGuia or forumcutuca ever had much credibility. If anybody knows of a local forum that [B]doesn't[/B] have deals with the same clinicas as it is reviewing, I'd be eager to know it. However, I despair of finding such objective reviews. As in most countries I have visited, the local forums have been effectively neutralised as a matter of policy. They pretend to be about controlling the girls; they are really about controlling the mongers.

From reading such local forums you will never know which houses have turned into tourist traps and which have remained good. The stream of reports will look exactly the same as it did five years ago.

Guys who are heavily invested in the clinicas will never admit this. In that respect and others, the "forista" system resembles a pyramid scheme.

Just my 2 dirhams. Let the shouting begin.[/QUOTE]Honestly, what are you talking about? How much time have you spent in Brazil and how much time have you spent cross referencing gp-guia with actual experience? Maybe you are extrapolating from your experience in other countries. Though I have found client forums that were helpful in other countries as well.

Not a single line in your post makes any real sense, and I am being generous. None of us are 'seriously invested" in clinicas. We voite with our wallets and go where we find value. Maybe the reports look the same as five years ago because the reports are just reports on interactions with the providers and that is a pretty simple thing. Maybe none of the houses have turned into "tourist traps". There is no such thing as a tourist trap clinica in Sao Paulo. It is not a touristic city and the "tourist" business, such as it is, is marginal at best. I am not trying to be harsh here but your comments sound paranoid. I think you just don't "get Brasil".

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2285639]Took Metro here Friday evening. Arrived at the club about 10:15 PM. Entered the club; dead. 5 women, maybe 8 men, all sitting and standing around the bar. Nothing happening, no girl of interest. Looked around for 30 seconds and walked out. If it's this dead on a Saturday night, how bad is it during the week?[/QUOTE]Correction: went there Saturday night.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2285639]Took Metro here Friday evening. Arrived at the club about 10:15 PM. Entered the club; dead. 5 women, maybe 8 men, all sitting and standing around the bar. Nothing happening, no girl of interest. Looked around for 30 seconds and walked out. If it's this dead on a Saturday night, how bad is it during the week?[/QUOTE]Saturday is definitively not the best day to go, Thuesday and Friday are.

Besides, you came in too early, action starts after 11 PM.

On my next trip I want to concnetrate on twitter / escorts, so a good local board is useful. I was under the impression that high end escorts would be a notch lower in price than a Scandallo girl. For example I was quoted 500 are for a meeting outside the club by one of the girls I sessioned with for 800 are inside.

I still find it strange that sites like Clubmodel advertise so heavily on gpguia but it's so hit and miss to find reviews if the girls listed there.

Thanks Jib Reach for tips on how to approach these girls. If I Zap them and just flat out ask them their fee, is that rude? What about details of service levels? For example, FIV is important to me. Do I hassle that out on the phone or make the appointment and hope for the best. I also take your point about the education level of these girls. I don't find that to be a problem. I find smart GPS sexier, easier to handle and can give superior service because you can reason with a smart girl. Makes the whole experience more enjoyable. And finally, what is the price range for these girls?

Rovnik, I'm just saying with a Scandallo girl at 800 I can see her, talk to her, gauge her level of interest and hotness, work out the details above etc. , where with a girl like Nick Rosa I'm just swinging for the fences and hoping for the best. I'm more likely to take these chances in the 4-600 are range. And of course, the best is to get a young hot one on her way up, but again a local board helps ID those. I also see your point that good providers will be selected for on gpguia, it just that so many girls are absent from it altogether. I guess the takeaway is, if you find a girl on gpguia with good reviews, you can be pretty confident in her service level. Maybe I'm overthinking this. It is Brasil after all, where, service levels are always high. You just want to avoid any with 'bucseta oro syndrome' which happens more frequently with high end GPS, as you well note.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2285394]I have written about the policy change that gp-guia instituted sometime over the past year or 2 whereby the site now requires that GPS "authorize" the posting of TDs. Specifically, they need to authorize the opening of a topic associated with their phone number. They do not authorize individual TD.

And, yes, this has diminished the "volume" of TDs related to free lancers. It has not diminished the TDs related to clincias and prives.

But when you write "it has lost a lot of its credibility over the past year and many of the higher-end women don't want to be on it" . I do not understand what you are implying because the sentence can be read one way, but that way contradicts to some extent my understanding of the situation. It seems that you are implying that the higher end "GPS don't want to be reviewed on gp-guia because it has lost credibility". Is that what you are implying? Not sure what "credibility" loss you are referring to that would be viewed as a negative for the GPS? Can you explain? Maybe I misinterpreted your comment based on the specific phrasing which is somewhat ambiguous.

I say that that contradicts my understanding because my impression is that the change in policy has not really caused a loss in credibility, but rather that it has reduced the number of negative or buyer beware reviews because the poorly reviewed GPS do not authorize the reviews, naturally, because it is not in their interest to be negatively reviewed. So quite often a NEW provider is negatively reviewed by the first reviewer, and then the thread is shut down by the moderator because the GP has not authorized TDs and of course she will not authorize because the first TD is negative. So it becomes something of a catch 22 preventing the calling out of poor or bait and switch providers. So one might say that the "credibility" of the site is reduced to the extent that it no longer functions as well as it did in the past in identifying the POOR providers. But what does that have to do with why ostensibly GOOD providers would not be willing to be reviewed? Do you see what I am saying? There is a contradiction there, unless I am missing your point. IMO a "good" provider has nothing to worry about and everything to gain by continuing to participate in gp-guia and receive its free marketing boost. Only the poor providers have to worry about a negative business impact. So when a provider tells me that she does not want to be associated with gp-guia this is normally a red flag for me, a warning, not an encouraging indicator.

The real threat to gp-guia's credibility is the false positive reports, which again are a benefit to the provider and not something a legitimately good provider will need to worry or concern themselves with. By false positive TDs I refer to TDs written by the provider herself or friends, pimps, whoever which falsely claim how GOOD the provider is. Moderators are pretty aggressive about eliminating these false TDs.

IMO, gp-guia has not "lost credibility", but it does suffer from a terrible search engine and lack of standardization in terms of phone numbers which makes it a nightmare to find TDs for GPS, but this has been a problem forever with that site.[/QUOTE]Rovnak, I agree completly with your opinion. I've been seeng hundred of girls from the called " high end " come to the clinicas and do the same for a fraction of their announced price on the internet.

ABG.

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2285668]On my next trip I want to concnetrate on twitter / escorts, so a good local board is useful. I was under the impression that high end escorts would be a notch lower in price than a Scandallo girl. For example I was quoted 500 are for a meeting outside the club by one of the girls I sessioned with for 800 are inside.

Rovnik, I'm just saying with a Scandallo girl at 800 I can see her, talk to her, gauge her level of interest and hotness, work out the details above etc. , where with a girl like Nick Rosa I'm just swinging for the fences and hoping for the best. I'm more likely to take these chances in the 4-600 are range. And of course, the best is to get a young hot one on her way up, but again a local board helps ID those. I also see your point that good providers will be selected for on gpguia, it just that so many girls are absent from it altogether. I guess the takeaway is, if you find a girl on gpguia with good reviews, you can be pretty confident in her service level. Maybe I'm overthinking this. It is Brasil after all, where, service levels are always high. You just want to avoid any with 'bucseta oro syndrome' which happens more frequently with high end GPS, as you well note.[/QUOTE]OK, yes, I agree with your explanation. If I can paraphrase, you are saying that if a girl charges 800 an hour in scandalo, she will often go for way less outside of the club? That there is a "club" premium. I think that is fair. I just wanted to make sure you were not under the impression that the GIRLS are separate populations. As in Scandalo girls and high end free lancers. There is a huge overlap as many girls do both, either at the same time or seasonally. Anyway, to your bigger point, yeah 800 is real high for free lancer. Anything above 300 an hour is on the "luxury" end of the spectrum. That is one reason I like photoacompanhantes more than the luxury sites because there is downward price pressure on photoacompanhantes and upward price pressure on the other sites.

Yes, I can attest to sessioning with Rangel Carlos. And it was one of the best sessions (hour) of my life. She's 500 reals, and I met her at her apartment in Bela Vista. I will write a more detailed report of my7 night visit later this week but you will not be wasting your time coordinating a 1 hour visit with her. At least with me, she was super friendly, she loves anal (I've never tried anal before), and it was nonstop GFE as soon as I walked in the door. I'm in my late 40's. And she still made me feel like I was a special person. (I am, by the way) I swear to god, it was 1 hour of nonstop action. She loves to make out. And she was wet as a whistle when I put my fingers in her vag. So I think she enjoys these sessions. She's not your fair skin brazilian. But she's definitely the 110% brazilian SERVICE Brazilian and you will get your money's worth. Maybe I caught her on a good day in terms of superb service. It was 7 pm in the evening on a Saturday night. (when I do write my report eventually, I went to Casarao three times, Scandallo twice, Tangara once, saw Rangel Carlos per ISG friend's recommendation). Rangel Carlos actually finished in 2nd place of the 7 sessions I had. , I met a 20 year old in Casarao, who was a screamer, and she won my 1st place prize as best session in Sao Paolo. Anyhow, I highly recommend Rangel Carlos. (but again, maybe I caught her on a good day in terms of SUPERB GFE service).

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2284332]I recently recommended these two to a member who is going to be writing a trip report shortly. He arranged meetings with these two by Whatsapp. He said he had a good time with Rangel. Bella (formerly Yasmine Piovane) had to cancel for some dental issue. This member told me he liked curvy girls with big tits and ass. If you like spinners, whatever, let us know.

[URL]https://twitter.com/ARangelCarlos[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/bellamorenabr[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2285668]On my next trip I want to concnetrate on twitter / escorts, so a good local board is useful. I was under the impression that high end escorts would be a notch lower in price than a Scandallo girl. For example I was quoted 500 are for a meeting outside the club by one of the girls I sessioned with for 800 are inside.

I still find it strange that sites like Clubmodel advertise so heavily on gpguia but it's so hit and miss to find reviews if the girls listed there.

Thanks Jib Reach for tips on how to approach these girls. If I Zap them and just flat out ask them their fee, is that rude? What about details of service levels? For example, FIV is important to me. Do I hassle that out on the phone or make the appointment and hope for the best. I also take your point about the education level of these girls. I don't find that to be a problem. I find smart GPS sexier, easier to handle and can give superior service because you can reason with a smart girl. Makes the whole experience more enjoyable. And finally, what is the price range for these girls?.[/QUOTE]Generally, if you just ask for information, they will just send their menu (so to speak). One hour, multiple hours, services, etc. As for asking specifically about FIV, I probably wouldn't ask in the first message, but if you start to chat a bit, ask nicely.

Prices will run from 300 to 600 per hour, with multi-hour discounts for most. Probably 60% 300-400,35% 400-500 and 5% above 500. It is also worth your time to use Twitter. Many have discounts only for Twitter followers. Not always, but end of the month specials are not uncommon. Rent to be paid, you know?

[QUOTE=JibReach;2285522]Don't mean to step on toes, especially with a current Paulista! (I was. . . . A long time ago) And I can't comment at all about the Clinicas, Boates, etc. I have tried and they simply aren't for me. But that is simply a matter of personality.

What I mean, and this is second hand from the GPS and some of the more well-known putanheiros is that there is to some degree a moderation problem. And an extortion problem. GPS have been threatened with bad TDs, entire topics have been removed, etc. And other perceived problems. This started last spring (well Fall) right after the Gp Guia party in April. I find it a continuing resource and I recommend it. But I wouldn't take it as gospel.

Jib Reach.[/QUOTE]Interesting. If in fact there is a kind of extortion going on then yes I can understand why some GP might prefer to stay off the board altogether. I would be interested in more details as to whether the extortion is coming from the moderators or random users. I know there is one moderator who is a real prick, but I always assumed he was a prick on the side of being overly zealous in deleting short TDs. I don't like to write a lot there, just simple thumbs up or thumbs down and this prick moderator requires a minimum amount of textual bullshit. But that is a different kind of issue from what you are hearing about 2nd hand. It can also be that some established GPS have decided the downside of one negative TD outweighs the upside of many positive TDs and even without extortion it is hard to maintain a perfect record because some clients are just aholes. Most of the time if a good provider has a bad TD its because of some misunderstanding regarding service.

As for entire topics being removed, I am curious about the detail there. I have noted that the search engine will sometimes return a link that will then lead to a "you do not have access to this topic" page, which indicates that a previously open subject is now closed. I have interpreted that as being a consequence of the more aggressive policy regarding authorization, as in there was a topic that the GP requested be shut down. But maybe there is another angle that your contacts were complaining about?

Anyway, thanks for the clarification. Any details you can share would be appreciated, perhaps PM, because I know quite a few indies and I would like to warn them to watch out for any such problems.

By no means are you stepping on any toes. It's all good.