Hong Kong Club Reports

I went to Hong Kong yesterday around 6:30 pm. Lots of hot chicks and the amount of guys wasn't too bad for a Friday.

I noticed literally EVERY girl was quoting me $100. A first for me. I'm wondering if they're trying to push that as the new norm, at least for weekend evenings. I of course laughed and scoffed at all $100 requests. Low balled them with 60 with all agreeing to 80. A couple even agreed to 60 but they were the less hotter ones. There was a light skin chica with an amazing boob job I had agreed 80 to but ultimately went with a bronze skin blonde haired girl which was a mistake LOL. She ended up being a little mechanical for my liking but at least she didn't give me a hard time as it was taking me a super long time to finish.

Moral of the story: stop paying these girls $100. They're obviously asking for that much since there's a good amount of poor saps dishing out this kind of dough.

I did a couple laps around the alleys and there were a couple of smoking hot chicks out there. Should've went with one of them this time.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;2357064]Seems to me you're doing a lot of whining yourself. Don't take this the wrong way, it's not personal. But man up, grow a pair, and take charge of the situation. If you have to learn a bit more Spanish so that your points are understood, then do so.

During your interview downstairs, point out that it's to be "una media hora completa. " I don't care what others say, Mexicans have a saying. "El mariachi pagado toca mal son. " The pre-paid mariachi plays badly. Stop paying up front. If she balks, stop thinking with your little head and cut her loose. Would you rather just go find another girl, or waste a bunch of money and then and moan about it?

I think you're also learning what you could have learned by reading this, and other forums. The best looking girls almost always provide the worst service. They don't give a shit, they don't respect you, and there is a never-ending stream of stupid gringos right behind you who will put up with any kind of bullshit. Set your sights a bit lower and service will improve. But you'll still need to be in charge. It's your money, you set the terms. I guarantee if she's not paid until afterwards, she'll have no incentive to skip out early.

Oh, and as an aside, $100 for a half hour is, literally, insane money. A girl with the education level of the average BG will earn around $1300 pesos per WEEK in a factory.[/QUOTE]How do you tell them that you'll pay them after in Spanish? And how do you say I'll pay you half now and then half later? All the girls ask for money up front. If you cut lose on that then you won't have any girls at all. And I agree that the best looking girls give the absolute worst service. I find it impossible to find a girl that will accept money after banging. It makes sense that they cut it off at 20 minutes. Because they've already got your money. Once you give them the money then you've lost all control, she can basically bullshit around with your time. Happened to me just now. I touched my dick while the condom is on and the girl made me put on a new condom. We were 7 minutes into the session and I still haven't fucked her. These girls are demonic. Once they have your money they don't care.

And yeah $100 for a half hour is pretty nuts. Same with $80 for a half hour. It's so fucking stupid LOL. These girls earn a stupid amount of money in mexico and they don't even provide a good service LOL! It's one thing to earn a stupid high amount and provide a really good service. But they are basically stealing money by offering shortened services LOL.

Really stupid. Street girls definitely are more bang for your buck.

[QUOTE=Travv;2357065]Once the chica has all your money in her hands, you've lost control. At this point, she can walk out on you. Will you whine and beg like you are married for her to come back? Offer half now and half afterwards. If she refuses this reasonable offer, tell her to get out. Then find a reasonable chica. Which should be easy because you still have all your money.[/QUOTE]I get what you are saying. I normally put the money in plain sight normally in Tijuana now they grab it. More sharks in Hong Kong I don't really monger here I go to the smaller bars I rarely have issues with bad service. But of course the Hong Kong ladies are more attractive on average.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357123]How do you tell them that you'll pay them after in Spanish? And how do you say I'll pay you half now and then half later? All the girls ask for money up front. If you cut lose on that then you won't have any girls at all. And I agree that the best looking girls give the absolute worst service. I find it impossible to find a girl that will accept money after banging. It makes sense that they cut it off at 20 minutes. Because they've already got your money. Once you give them the money then you've lost all control, she can basically bullshit around with your time. Happened to me just now. I touched my dick while the condom is on and the girl made me put on a new condom. We were 7 minutes into the session and I still haven't fucked her. These girls are demonic. Once they have your money they don't care.

And yeah $100 for a half hour is pretty nuts. Same with $80 for a half hour. It's so fucking stupid LOL. These girls earn a stupid amount of money in mexico and they don't even provide a good service LOL! It's one thing to earn a stupid high amount and provide a really good service. But they are basically stealing money by offering shortened services LOL.

Really stupid. Street girls definitely are more bang for your buck.[/QUOTE]"Pago despues" "La mitad de paga ahora why la mitad despues" LOL I'm learning Spanish still so I could be wrong on the second one.

I've been to HK 4 times and have been with 9 BGs, I only found out about HK in April. I've only had one bad session, from a girl who quoted 100 and agreed on 80. She goes by Suzie, I've seen her every Monday and Tuesday night that I've gone. Short, beautiful face, dances on the stage next to the main stage often.

Had a horrible time with her, told her to leave 5 minutes into the session, she snatched the cash on the nightstand, Whatever. Complained to management and got two free drinks LOL.

I've also had girls stay in my room for close to an HR. The good sessions definitely make up for the terrible time I had out there 2 weeks ago.

Will be returning next month.

Went in HK about 8:30. Lots of hot girls working in HK.

Rose was dancing on bar Kowloon. Marilyn AKA Lydia is back dancing on the front stage. She had a baby and gained some weight. She used to have the prettiest face and the sexiest, most perfect body and was one of the most popular girl in HK.

Andrea was back. She would do a cheap toda al noche. Krystal was leaning on the rail BS with her friends. Ximena was dancing on the bar. My new wingman liked her doll face and her tall, fit body. He was going to go for her. I had to tell him she is cold, stiff, unresponsive in bed.

Kitty / Cici texted me "Estoy en mi periodo. " The bros can guess what she meant. Brenda, student from Ensenada, texted me she would be in HK by 9 but never arrived until 10:30, after I had popped and gulped down lots of food and beers. I lost control of my dick and had to abort the mission hehe. Was looking for Pasha but she has not worked for 2 weeks. WTF? Those are her pics.

Not too many hot girls in the alley. They me be on summer vacation with families etc. The new tiny, skinny little girl in front of hotel Rapido gave my wingman a bag job, pulled down her skirt, spread her legs and texted with her phone the whole time. But she's young, tight, fresh.

Yvonne showed up to work in front of hotel Garcia with her hair freshly washed, still wet, smiling with her pretty half-Asian face. She's tiny with all natural body, nice A cups. Smiling, giggling sweetly. She helped me to my second pop for the night.

Life is good!

I am more convinced that all the bar girls are a complete rip off. They charge you $80 for 15 minutes of sex. Meanwhile, I saw an incredible street girl for $20 and fucked her for a full and consistent 15-17 minutes. The street girls I've seen have all been courtesy about time and allowing me to enjoy the time. I'm not 100% sure on this but it seems that they care about their customers and want to ensure they are somewhat pleased with the experience. Very cheap too, only $20 and she basically looks like a bar girl. Nice face and wide round big booty. In fact, I'm going to see if I can go find her again to fuck because it was fun.

The bar girls are all rip offs. They charge you $80 for 15 minutes of sex and they don't care about you as a customer. They look at their watches and are constantly thinking "when is it time to leave, when is it time to leave". They're demonic. The club has spoiled them. They just want easy money. Ripping foreigners off with 15 minutes of sex and charging them $80 which is a ridiculously high amount in Tijuana. Some girls are quoting $100 now. Just think about it, look at the mindset and psychology of a bar girl "extract more money, raise the price, decrease the time spent". Look at the behavior, they know what they're doing. Why do you think they raise the prices? Cause they're trying to milk the foreigners as much as possible, which only providing 15 minutes of sex and then saying "it's time to finish up". They have a nice little scam business going on.

If I come back to Tijuana again I probably won't stay at hotel cascades. Would stay at a cheaper hotel away from the zona and uber to the bar areas to fuck the street girls. Staying at a hotel away from the zona also allows me to get escorts to my room. I've never tried the escorts but they seem so much more exciting than shitty bar girls. You get 1 full hour with deep french kissing and a bare blowjob if you please.

In conclusion. All the bar girls are a rip off. They exist to milk foreigners out of their money. They don't exist to ensure that you, the customer, have a good time. Almost all the foreigners don't understand that they are being ripped off. $80 for 15 minutes of sex. I don't even need to say anything else. Extremely high pricing, and extremely low return.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357123]How do you tell them that you'll pay them after in Spanish? And how do you say I'll pay you half now and then half later? All the girls ask for money up front. If you cut lose on that then you won't have any girls at all. And I agree that the best looking girls give the absolute worst service. I find it impossible to find a girl that will accept money after banging. It makes sense that they cut it off at 20 minutes. Because they've already got your money. Once you give them the money then you've lost all control, she can basically bullshit around with your time. Happened to me just now. I touched my dick while the condom is on and the girl made me put on a new condom. We were 7 minutes into the session and I still haven't fucked her. These girls are demonic. Once they have your money they don't care.

And yeah $100 for a half hour is pretty nuts. Same with $80 for a half hour. It's so fucking stupid LOL. These girls earn a stupid amount of money in mexico and they don't even provide a good service LOL! It's one thing to earn a stupid high amount and provide a really good service. But they are basically stealing money by offering shortened services LOL.

Really stupid. Street girls definitely are more bang for your buck.[/QUOTE]Simple solution. Stop going to Hong Kong. Many bars in La Zona have hot girls that will rock your world. I stopped mongering in USA but I am confident I can find a provider here that will give much better service for 30 minutes (on average) for the same HK price and room fee. At HK it is a literal roll of the dice whether the session is good. I had a girl that let me finger her on stage but could wouldn't allow any touching in room. A lot of these young bucks want the hottest girls but with 25 years mongering experience all around the world I will get plenty of hotties but Hong Kong is severely overrated.

I've been prowling and reading up for a bit. Took my first trip last weekend. It was like adult Disneyland for me, and I'll be back soon.

Arrived at the 24 HR parking lot by the outlets on final San Ysidro exit around 8 pm Friday. Plenty of spots. Total cost was $36 for 17 hours.

Walked across pedwest with no delay, hassle, nor stamp on passport. Found the nearby free HK shuttle and was at the hotel pretty quick. I had reserved a room online a few days earlier, check in was quick, paid for room with card, and paid the cash deposit of $30, which I received back promptly the next morning.

Tons of girls, some 9's and 10's, mostly 7's and 8's, few 6 and none below. It wasn't too crowded around 10 pm. BTW I'm Asian and there were plenty others FYI. I was kinda nervous and didn't want to stand or walk around for too long, so I half-assedly picked a decent bodied girl.

She was 19, spoke zero English, but she was very happy and energetic. I speak some Spanish, so it wasn't a problem. Waiter tried to hustle for a bucket of beers for $45, I refused and got 1 for $9+$1 tip. My dumb horny ass rushed for upstairs, no negotiation other than agreeing on $100/30 min. Brought my own box of condoms and lube, so did not need their $20 offering. Wasted the money and time after realizing she looked way too much like my cousin, and I couldn't get it up halfway through LOL. She was chill about it all.

Ate tacos and returned around 1230 am. It was pretty packed, and the hottest ones were gone or seated with other guys.

An 8 with pretty good English and her friend approached me while I was standing around. I sat with them and dropped about $40 for drinks, fries, and tip. Flirted a bit, didn't really negotiate again other than $200/1 HR with the 8. Her friend left halfway through our seating after I turned down threesome offer.

It was quite a GFE. She stayed and hung out in my room for another hour afterwards. Also received BBBJ and foot massage at no extra $. We returned downstairs so she wouldn't get in trouble for overstaying. Another $30 for drinks and some stupid dessert the girl reluctantly agreed to buy from the waiter. She tells me they're not allowed to refuse the waiters. Waiter kept being aggressive so I chat with him and befriended for a bit and tipped him $5 for the second beer. He never returned and left us alone.

Took her back up for another $200/1 HR. More GFE, overstayed another hour again. Returned downstairs to a dying crowd and aggressive / desperate customers. One of them grabbed her arm and tried to pull her into his booth in front of me. Then later another tipped her $5 asking to arriba. She handed me the $5 LOL.

Another round of alcohol then third $200/1 HR trip. Front desk recognized us by now and just waved us in LOL. More GFE, then we woke up around 11 am.

Took the free HK shuttle back to pedwest, took an hour to cross back to US, customs just asked what was in my bag, no stamp on passport.

Yeah, I'll be back soon LOL.

Ok, I am first to admit I have been taken from time to time but there are ways to find "the right girl".

That drink you bought and are now sitting down? Besides the grope session, its also an interview.

If you do not know Spanish like me, use a translation app that also functions without internet.

On my plane ride down, I practice some phrases and you want to ask questions that will invoke an answer. I will ask "If we went upstairs what would it cost me".

" I am uncomfortable paying all at first what about half (or whatever you want) but deal downstairs, then she is trying to reel you in and is more inclined to flex.

You lose a lot of power when you are in the room but do not be afraid to tell a girl to leave or ask for security, these guys have a rep to keep.

Point is that you have to be polite but assertive, appeal to what is huge for them MONEY. I have said "I tip for better service" with good results.

You would be surprised what another ten or twenty will buy in Tijuana.

Try not to be too exicted downstairs, even if you think she is your 10, let her sell herself, and be squeaky clean, it really makes a difference.

Sr.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357123]How do you tell them that you'll pay them after in Spanish? And how do you say I'll pay you half now and then half later? All the girls ask for money up front.[/QUOTE]These days I bring in Street Girls or Street Walkers with negotiated fees of between 100 pesos to 200 pesos. If, when they get in my room and want to be paid upfront, I just smile and hand them the dinero. I decided long ago it was not worth it to negotiate for 'paga desputes' on the sidewalk nor argue about it while in mi cuartos.

[QUOTE=OrganicAlo;2357194]"Pago despues" "La mitad de paga ahora why la mitad despues" LOL I'm learning Spanish still so I could be wrong on the second one.

I've been to HK 4 times and have been with 9 BGs, I only found out about HK in April. I've only had one bad session, from a girl who quoted 100 and agreed on 80. She goes by Suzie, I've seen her every Monday and Tuesday night that I've gone. Short, beautiful face, dances on the stage next to the main stage often.

Had a horrible time with her, told her to leave 5 minutes into the session, she snatched the cash on the nightstand, Whatever. Complained to management and got two free drinks LOL.

I've also had girls stay in my room for close to an HR. The good sessions definitely make up for the terrible time I had out there 2 weeks ago.

Will be returning next month.[/QUOTE]At Hong Kong the price is $80 for 15 minutes of sex. That's a lot of money in Tijuana. The girls have been spoiled because they're use to stealing money from foreigners. They don't need to offer a good service because they can just steal the next person's money.

Whereas as if you see a street girl you get a great deal. You can find girls that look just as hot as bar girls. From my experience, the street girls are more customer friendly. The Hong Kong girls are spoiled. The difference in attitude is night and day. A typical Hong Kong girl thinks "Great, I got the foreigner's money. Now how can I finish this as quick as possible? I want to go back to the club and steal more money, I don't care if this guy enjoys fucking me". It's disgusting LOL. You will see it in their attitudes if you get bar girls frequently. Keep in mind: I'm just a standard guy. And this has been my experience with the attractive HK girls. I'm not being hateful or bashing these girls for no reason. I'm simply reporting what I've observed during my sessions.

I don't know exactly what street girls are thinking but I can tell you that they don't think about finishing as soon as possible. Probably because they don't work in the bar. Think about it, a bar girl has no reason to spend more than 15 minutes banging you. She would rather finish as soon as possible to steal from the next gringo, she makes more money this way. A street girl doesn't have a bar to go to. So what does it matter if she spends a few more minutes fucking you? She's in no rush, and even if she is, you've only invested $20.

So yeah, the bars are a waste. I'the rather everyone keep seeing them though cause I get all the attractive street girls to myself LOL.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357390]I don't know exactly what street girls are thinking but I can tell you that they don't think about finishing as soon as possible. Probably because they don't work in the bar. Think about it, a bar girl has no reason to spend more than 15 minutes banging you. She would rather finish as soon as possible to steal from the next gringo, she makes more money this way. A street girl doesn't have a bar to go to. So what does it matter if she spends a few more minutes fucking you? She's in no rush, and even if she is, you've only invested $20.[/QUOTE]I couldn't disagree with you more.

There are a lot of good reasons why I now go in with Street Girls and Street walkers and no longer mess around much with Bar Girls.

But not for the reason you state here.

All sex workers I've enjoyed the company of in Tijuana want (in most cases) to conclude the cita ASAP.

I give them a compelling reason not to be in too great a hurry. You might benefit from reading my past posts.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357123]How do you tell them that you'll pay them after in Spanish? And how do you say I'll pay you half now and then half later?[/QUOTE]You download a fucking translate app and type in the thing you want to tell them and then show them the phone. It's not hard nowadays to be very explicit about your expectations. Hell, if you type in a phrase, the app remembers is so you don't even need to type it in the second time. Just choose it from the list.

I only pay after.
I will pay half before and half after.
I want you to suck me without condom.
I want to take pictures of you.
I won't show your face.
I want the full 30 minutes.

Just have a list of things, tap them, and show her the phone.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357390]At Hong Kong the price is $80 for 15 minutes of sex. [/QUOTE]

This is NOT true, and only shows that you have poor negotiation skills, or just poor judgment. The price is **whatever you agree to pay** and the duration is **as long as she agreed to stay**. I regularly get 40+ minutes (VIP) for $60 because that's what I specify. I'll pay $80 for sex with BBBJ, and if I finish early I'll let the girl go. But I never let HER decide that the time is up unless THE TIME IS UP.

Man up and insist on getting what you pay for. And don't fucking pay them in advance. "El mariachi pagado..." every girl knows what that means.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357390]They don't need to offer a good service because they can just steal the next person's money.[/QUOTE]

This is true on a weekend in Hong Kong. There are so many stupid mongers who will take a girl upstairs immediately because if he doesn't there are 10 more guys who will. There are so many guys in hong Kong that just getting a girl's attention is difficult, and you don't have time to interview her before she is gone. And if you insist on $80 for 30 minutes she'll just find another guy. So I agree with you on this one. You know what you do? Go to a different bar, or don't go to Hong Kong on a weekend.

If you have to be in the Zona on a Saturday night, try Chicago Club, Bar Tropical, Las Chavelas, or even Adelitas (which can be as bad as HK). Or, stay away entirely on Fridays and Saturdays. Hong Kong on a Sunday or a Wednesday is decent, and on a Monday or Tuesday can be downright casual. If you HAVE to go on a Saturday, do like you said and stay away from the Zona entirely. Stay at a regular hotel and get an escort at $80-120 for a full hour of GFE. Or Do the street girl thing like you are suggesting.

You seem to have it figured out. You don't like dealing with Hong Kong girls on a Saturday night. Great! You know what you like and what you have the ability to control. You even know what to do about it. So stop slamming Hong Kong because it isn't what YOU want. It's a great place for what other guys want and can handle.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357390]I don't know exactly what street girls are thinking but I can tell you that they don't think about finishing as soon as possible. Probably because they don't work in the bar. Think about it, a bar girl has no reason to spend more than 15 minutes banging you. She would rather finish as soon as possible to steal from the next gringo, she makes more money this way. A street girl doesn't have a bar to go to. So what does it matter if she spends a few more minutes fucking you? She's in no rush, and even if she is, you've only invested $20.[/QUOTE]

This makes me think that you haven't been with a lot of street girls. They are just as likely to scam you as any bar girl. You think that they aren't in a rush to get back on the street? A bar girl just made $80 (more than a week's pay in Tijuana). A street girl made $20. OF COURSE she is in a hurry to get back to the street to get more clients. more so than the bar girl, for sure.

The boards are full of reports from guys who get up to the room and she wants an extra 200 pesos to take her top off, and an extra 200 to suck you with a condom, and an extra 200 to do more than one position, and an extra 200 to go 30 minutes. They complain that all of a sudden they are paying $80 for 30 minutes and might as well go with a bar girl. And even if you DO negotiate exactly what you want (which I doubt that you are capable of), they can still rip you off if you don't stand up for yourself. But as you said, who cares if they only scammed you for $20?

[QUOTE=Kleeenex;2357247]I've been prowling and reading up for a bit. Took my first trip last weekend. It was like adult Disneyland for me, and I'll be back soon.

Arrived at the 24 HR parking lot by the outlets on final San Ysidro exit around 8 pm Friday. Plenty of spots. Total cost was $36 for 17 hours.

Walked across pedwest with no delay, hassle, nor stamp on passport. Found the nearby free HK shuttle and was at the hotel pretty quick. I had reserved a room online a few days earlier, check in was quick, paid for room with card, and paid the cash deposit of $30, which I received back promptly the next morning.

Tons of girls, some 9's and 10's, mostly 7's and 8's, few 6 and none below. It wasn't too crowded around 10 pm. BTW I'm Asian and there were plenty others FYI. I was kinda nervous and didn't want to stand or walk around for too long, so I half-assedly picked a decent bodied girl.

She was 19, spoke zero English, but she was very happy and energetic. I speak some Spanish, so it wasn't a problem. Waiter tried to hustle for a bucket of beers for $45, I refused and got 1 for $9+$1 tip. My dumb horny ass rushed for upstairs, no negotiation other than agreeing on $100/30 min. Brought my own box of condoms and lube, so did not need their $20 offering. Wasted the money and time after realizing she looked way too much like my cousin, and I couldn't get it up halfway through LOL. She was chill about it all.

Ate tacos and returned around 1230 am. It was pretty packed, and the hottest ones were gone or seated with other guys.[/QUOTE]Wow 200 an HR for 1 girl? Sheesh as long as you had fun I guess.

All these talks about street girls yet whenever I'm in Tijuana the street girls I see aren't that good looking, is there a particular district where the street girls are decent looking?