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[QUOTE=Sirioja;1903674]If Alice, with Marilyn look before, is back at Sharks, is top class Alice / Kate really at Globe? Photos on Tagesplan don't look like her.[/QUOTE]Does Sharks have a Tagesplan, or are you talking about Globe's Tagesplan? It's not very clear. I couldn't find a Tagesplan on the Sharks website.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1903119]You write as though the girls should so what you want for your price. If they are not slaves they have freedom of choice whether we like it or not.
If 50 Euros does not appeal to the girl at the time, she can always refuse the more difficult customers. I know of guys that get refused very frequently. If girl doesn't like them or too much work for too little money.
I think it can depend on how desperate the girl is for money, whether she can afford to be choosy. Also she has to look after her body to some extent.
The best girls know they can attract customers who will spend big. The customer does not have all the power.
The dream of Everything for a mere 50 is starting to disappear. 50 is not worth what it was 10 years ago. I know there are girls who do a string of 15 min sessions for 50 each and can make good money that way, but girls with long gaps between sessions are not making big money.
Some girls have to accept 50 Euro sessions. Some probably try to avoid those.
It makes little difference to me, as I am not a Fiddy customer and have not been since many years. I hardly ever pop within 30 minutes.
Most of us probably make more money than the girls after tax and we don't even have to fuck ugly old men.
If a girl knows how to make good money, that is good luck for her. I can choose her or pass. She can choose us or pass.
Guys can find a cheaper club if think Sharks girls are getting difficult.
Is it a totally controlled market? I think not. Lots of unofficial things happen in the room. I am sure some girls are selling unofficial extras. I don't take any myself. My choice. I prefer to pay for time.
I tend to choose Sharks because I like a large line up of good quality. Plenty of choice. Can anywhere else beat this line up for choice of good bodies and nice faces right now?
Sharks continues to get more dominant in the region. There is little doubt in my mind that the line up has more choice of high quality girls than what was available 3 years ago when I first visited. Originally there were few girls I wanted to repeat a lot. Oase has rather limited numbers of exciting girls for me at this time, but still a good choice for hot summer day by the pool.
If a percentage of girls are "bad" or "rip off" type girls, I really don't care. I have had few bad sessions of recent times. With right choice of girls, I still get as good as I ever did, actually less weak sessions.[/QUOTE]Germany has many many p6 clubs and providers.
The draw for destinations around the world are what can be gotten for the money. Hence people don't mind taking a trip to far away places given it's worth it.
Nobody wants slaving or implying such. The mention is of what makes de a great destination. It was due to standards in service per pricing.
Everybody are out to make high bucks. If there are opportunity for more, people will push for more. WGs included.
Like tommysville said, the girls with sick families or some condition will ask those to have capability to sugar them.
Ironically, girls got true lovers that don't pay them to fuck and girls paying them, yet there are probably punters can't read the game when in actuality money is involved in the game. Like scale of how much spent, and kidding to themselves girls at clubs are acting out of interest.
My feeling is that standards can loosen if the club is full of bigshot tourists, but with such high volume of clubs and WGs around, people can opt for alternatives.
Plenty of WGs due to Romies that can make a months wage within a day in De. As long as that is the case, pricing really isn't that significant of an inflation.
If they are paying high entry and competition is high, many clubs in De as girls move around. And girls do other venues, countires etc, but some come back if the pay is not steady.
Sharks doesn't have and never had a "Tagesplan". He's talking about Globe. Catalina aka Kate aka Alice is back to Globe, saw her on the plan this week. Kate is her name at Globe.
HB.
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I tend to choose Sharks because I like a large line up of good quality. Plenty of choice. Can anywhere else beat this line up for choice of good bodies and nice faces right now?
[/QUOTE]Last summer 2015 Sharks lineup was nothing that special. Overhyped. Has the lineup improved dramatically since then? If yes it's a pity I did not visit 3 weeks ago while I was in Frankfurt and went to Oase.
Are we speaking only about Hessen clubs here in terms of the best lineup? If not then guys like Siri and BB who have been to Sharks and other areas clubs can answer the question if Sharks is unbeatable. Is it?
Globally speaking there are some venues that can beat the lineup of Sharks: 18 sauna in Macau, Malioboro in Jakarta and a few Pattaya agogos just as examples. Of course different kind of set up and girls compared to an FKK.
Sharks is quite good, but not exceptional at the moment, without Megan and soon Ilka, not better than on July 2015, for me, but at the moment, best casting in FRA, and only GT can compete for look, at the moment, even Aca is lower, but Aca will improve after Ramadan.
Some girls, for look or services, not only for me: Agnes. Pol, Marina. Lat, pretty Steffi. Ro, Stephanie. FR, Paloma, Alice Marilyn, Roxana silicon, lovely Ester, blond Bianka, white Snow Melani, Aylice. Bu, Dina, Nicoletta, Evita, Moira, Mia, Ivy, Sandra. De who was working on Sunday and Monday, Mandy. De, Beatrice, Kaira, Crissy, Ariana, Greta ex Oase. Unfortunately, I don't think my Sunday Romanian tornado, fireworks in chalet, will stay, because not enough business compare to Zurich. Alice / Kate also seems to prefer to return to Globe than Sharks, so, I will go to her. Sharks businessman, talkative with girls, specialist, can't compete for this, and girls talk about him and confirm me for his behavior.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1904225]Unfortunately, I don't think my Sunday Romanian tornado, fireworks in chalet, will stay, because not enough business compare to Zurich. Alice / Kate also seems to prefer to return to Globe than Sharks, so, I will go to her.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. On my recent visits to Globe, girls were complaining about a drop off in business, and have been for some time. Certainly the Tuesday I was there when Kate returned, it was as quiet as I've ever seen it.
I'm sure Kate would have a very large and loyal following at Globe, and given the higher prices it would still be fine for her.
I have no idea how many visitors to the Swiss clubs are locals and how many from outside that nation. But CHF keeps appreciating while Euro is slowly losing value and now sterling is collapsing. Swiss locals can still afford but for outsiders it becomes more and more expensive.
And if UK economy keeps going south with this brexit thing, British guests probably go down in numbers. Especially if the finance sector job losses mount. It is not the only country of course, but it is a big country in the region.
And in general, while the commenters here are perhaps high rollers given how often they attend etc, the average visitor probably visits more occasionally and is sensitive to economy and jobs. If the euro economy slows even more, I imagine attendance will decline not only at Swiss clubs but also German fkks. On the other hand, more Romanian girls might be driven this way, because their economy suffers even more. Some girls I spoke to on my last visit sounded quite desperate due to lack of business.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1904269]Some girls I spoke to on my last visit sounded quite desperate due to lack of business.[/QUOTE]At Sharks? As an overseas visitor, Swiss clubs I can understand given the CHF/EUR decoupling / rising CHF, but I still reckon by any measure the German FKKs are very inexpensive for what's on offer. Where I live, I'd be paying double for sex and CBJ and struggling to find half the optics.
Not a good sign of the times.
[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1904281]At Sharks? As an overseas visitor, Swiss clubs I can understand given the CHF/EUR decoupling / rising CHF, but I still reckon by any measure the German FKKs are very inexpensive for what's on offer. Where I live, I'd be paying double for sex and CBJ and struggling to find half the optics.
Not a good sign of the times.[/QUOTE]Well, at least you can get it for double the price. Where I live (US) it is officially illegal in most places, and if I braved the law, the pickings are not a whole lot attractive. Anyway, yes, German clubs are inexpensive for Western Eu and US earners but (1) foreign visitors are still probably not a majority at most clubs, and especially outside Frankfurt I am assuming (2) foreign visitors would probably hunker down and not do FKK tours if they lose jobs, even if they still have money to spend (3) on the margin, locals are probably spending a bit less as well, given that even German economy is not all that great.
I look at it as any other travel industry / cruise / dining out metrics. When the economy slumps all of them take a hit, and I think so does clubbing / prostitution.
(To be fair though, recent weeks seem to have had a further neg effect due to Ramadan and World Cup, when I visited).
[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1904249]That's interesting. On my recent visits to Globe, girls were complaining about a drop off in business, and have been for some time. Certainly the Tuesday I was there when Kate returned, it was as quiet as I've ever seen it.
I'm sure Kate would have a very large and loyal following at Globe, and given the higher prices it would still be fine for her.[/QUOTE]Business seem also to be slower for many girls in big German clubs. I don t think many girls can make 1000 € a day now. In Swiss clubs, at least double rate for girls, but of course less clients because more than 260 € for 1 hour is more expensive than with a Russian escort. When I was at Globe on a Friday afternoon, I didn't need to fight for girls or to go in the warm swimming pool, German clubs can be more crowded, but are guys, clients for the bar or girls? I often see Turkish drinking a bottle all along the night, seems to be more tasty than girls cyprine or tits milk.
Kate was at Sharks on end of April, and was busy on a Monday for her last day, I had to wait for her for 6 hours, she was at Globe on beginning of June, where did she decide to return on July? My Sunday fireworks said to me what is a good business day for her, I answered her: can You have 15 hours for sex in room, at Sharks? I don t think she will stay at Sharks, even I would be happy to warm her again. Both are Romanian, not Russian, most of girls seen at Globe were Romanian, I didn't see there any top model like I can see a few in Germany, most of time Romanians, but better care for girls look, so, they look more classy, Kate has natural class.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1903869]She was just back on tagesplan yesterday, as HB told she will be back on 5 July, and when I was at Globe on Friday 17 June, she already finished her short tour, so you saw her before? Now she always wears something on her belly, but I like to kiss her belly and to smell and taste her.[/QUOTE]I saw Kate at Globe on Tuesday June 14th. Globe has a thing on Tuesdays now where the girls can wear pretty much whatever they like. Kate had on a glittery bra top and tight little shorty-shorts. Midriff was exposed and looking very trim, and overall she looked mighty fine to me.
She just happened to be at reception when I arrived, and I hardly saw her around the club again, so I imagine a lot of guys were after her as it was her first day back at Globe I believe.
[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1904346]I saw Kate at Globe on Tuesday June 14th. Globe has a thing on Tuesdays now where the girls can wear pretty much whatever they like. Kate had on a glittery bra top and tight little shorty-shorts. Midriff was exposed and looking very trim, and overall she looked mighty fine to me.
She just happened to be at reception when I arrived, and I hardly saw her around the club again, so I imagine a lot of guys were after her as it was her first day back at Globe I believe.[/QUOTE]It should be the end of her tour, because she left before Friday 17 , when I visited. Wish to see her tomorrow, after jumping on RN19 , roads are better in France than in Germany.
[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1904126]Globally speaking there are some venues that can beat the lineup of Sharks: 18 sauna in Macau, Malioboro in Jakarta and a few Pattaya agogos just as examples. Of course different kind of set up and girls compared to an FKK.[/QUOTE]How long since you went to 18 sauna? I used to go there a lot between 2011 and 2013, but I felt the LU deteriorated a lot in that time span. Still as many girls (150 at any day of the week), but just less 8's and 9's. Especially in 2013. Interesting part is that you could find some really great Russian girls here. Recall one from Khabarovsk who was just excellent. Prices went up as well as optics fell IMO. Service is on a different level however, even if I only managed to find 2 stunners who actually spoke English, but who cares about language anyway right? That's why I ditched it for German FKKs. And I was actually first made aware of German FKKs by some guy I met at a sauna there.
Baccara (Pattaya and Soi cowboy), Happy A GoGo in Pattaya and rainbow 2 and 4 in Nana has a few stunners, but I don't know if any single gogo beats out a single FKK. Maybe if you merge the districts they do though, same with Angeles in Philippines.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1904269]I have no idea how many visitors to the Swiss clubs are locals and how many from outside that nation. But CHF keeps appreciating while Euro is slowly losing value and now sterling is collapsing. Swiss locals can still afford but for outsiders it becomes more and more expensive.
And if UK economy keeps going south with this brexit thing, British guests probably go down in numbers. Especially if the finance sector job losses mount. It is not the only country of course, but it is a big country in the region.
And in general, while the commenters here are perhaps high rollers given how often they attend etc, the average visitor probably visits more occasionally and is sensitive to economy and jobs. If the euro economy slows even more, I imagine attendance will decline not only at Swiss clubs but also German fkks. On the other hand, more Romanian girls might be driven this way, because their economy suffers even more. Some girls I spoke to on my last visit sounded quite desperate due to lack of business.[/QUOTE]Well, the economic collapse is ever so slowly continuing to grind away people's spending power. As I already said in the Oase thread about one and a half years ago. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=1644860&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1644860.
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Although it was my first time at Oase, I thought the place was relatively quiet for a Friday when compared to GT or Sharks. I talked to a few girls and when I asked them if the place is always so quiet, they speculated about "Krise" (crisis) and that people apparently have less spending money. In all fairness, I've had similar conversations with girls in GT and Sharks though. Seems that that people have less money in their pockets.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that the FKK business is slowly consolidating, with a few clubs like Sharks sucking (LOL) away a lot of talent from other clubs.
Over my visits to Sharks I've talked to many girls who told me that they were thinking about leaving due to "bad business. " One example is Romanian Sarah (Beckinsale), who told me that she was considering going to the Stuttgart or Zuerich area. Another girl is Romina (also from Romania (blonde, silicon, used to wear a mesh lingerie thingie around her waist like Kaira sometimes does) who was contemplating going to Dubai.
The good times are obviously over, and girls are looking everywhere for yield and better opportunities. Lot's of new faces at Sharks.
Anyone ever heard of the "Hemline Index?" [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemline_index[/URL].
So the hemline index is why lots of girls dress in towels these days? LOL.